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[01:25:48] <sstallion> e^ipi: around?
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[01:27:39] <asarch> Is it normal to download SXCE at ~25kbps?
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[01:28:13] <jmcp> asarch: depends
[01:28:22] <asarch> It will last 7 hours to download the 30% remaining!
[01:28:24] <asarch> :-(
[01:29:32] <jmcp> if you set the /dev/tcp variables tcp_xmit_hiwat and tcp_recv_hiwat to 1048576 then you should get a bit of a bump in performance
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[01:29:55] <jmcp> ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_xmit_hiwat 1048576
[01:29:58] <jmcp> ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_recv_hiwat 1048576
[01:30:18] <asarch> Oh, I'm currently in NetBSD 4.0_STABLE
[01:30:30] <asarch> But I will save your tip
[01:30:33] * asarch is writting...
[01:32:13] <e^ipi> sstallion: yo
[01:32:31] <sstallion> e^ipi: working on the packaging prototypes for emancipation... any particular prefix you like?
[01:32:36] <sstallion> OSOL?
[01:32:42] <sstallion> heh, XIII would be cute
[01:33:55] <jbk> ?
[01:35:16] <asarch> Bah
[01:35:27] <asarch> The speed decrease to ~15 kpbs :-(
[01:36:02] <jmcp> asarch: quite possibly not your OS then
[01:36:29] <asarch> Maybe everybody are downloading the 98b
[01:36:38] <e^ipi> XIII ? ( /me doesn't get it )
[01:37:31] <asarch> Do you mean the game? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIII_(video_game)
[01:37:58] <ottom> e^ipi: 13th Amendment to US Constitution
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[01:39:30] <e^ipi> ahh
[01:39:41] <e^ipi> ( <-- canadian )
[01:47:48] <jamesd> e^ipi, its okay we  won't hold it against you...
[01:49:53] <e^ipi> that's cool
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[01:53:15] <asarch> What is it about the 13th Amendment of US Constitution?
[01:53:26] <asarch> ( <-- Mexican )
[01:53:38] <jamesd> asarch,  el google it... senor ;-)
[01:54:13] <asarch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
[01:54:28] <asarch> Oh, Slavery
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[02:01:14] <sstallion> heh
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[02:01:26] <sstallion> aka the Emancipation Proclimation
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[02:01:55] <sstallion> e^ipi: jbk: OSOL work for you ?
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[02:33:12] <_dsw> evening
[02:33:42] <_dsw> not sure if you're watching the forums, but it's time to use studio12
[02:34:01] <_dsw> pull'd this morning and tried to build with 11
[02:34:04] <_dsw> and damn..
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[02:34:42] <alanc> for ON builds yes, that was announced on on-discuss this week, and in the ON flag days
[02:34:49] <_dsw> oops :(
[02:34:55] <_dsw> didn't keep up with touch
[02:34:56] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008092401/
[02:35:04] <_dsw> thanks for the info :)
[02:35:21] <_dsw> feel a bit silly now!
[02:35:44] <_dsw> had all sorts of theories about inline'd gcc dependancy, etc
[02:35:57] <alanc> at least I thought I saw it on on-discuss, but don't see it in the archives now
[02:36:09] <_dsw> it was 0day in -help and -code
[02:36:23] <_dsw> cheers al
[02:36:48] <_dsw> onto other subjects - i just broke up with mrs
[02:36:51] <_dsw> :(
[02:37:00] <sommerfeld> sstallion: actually, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued by Lincoln during the Civil War and applied only to slaves in the soon-to-be-defeated confederate states of america.  the 13th amendment was enacted after the war.
[02:38:24] <_dsw> is j.sonnenschein online?
[02:38:32] <sstallion> _dsw: e^ipi
[02:38:38] <_dsw> ok
[02:38:50] <_dsw> e^ipi dude you awake?
[02:38:51] <sstallion> sommerfeld: *nod*, I was trying to explain the connection to the number 13 and emancipation :)
[02:38:56] <_dsw> oops
[02:39:18] <_dsw> it's been a *long* day
[02:40:26] <sommerfeld> yeah.  it's sorta like the difference between publishing a prototype and actually getting it integrated into ON :)
[02:40:59] <sstallion> true enough ;)
[02:41:11] <_dsw> would someone mind defining what a "public interface" means in ON speak?
[02:41:28] <alanc> one that's documented for everyone else to use
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[02:41:30] <_dsw> I figure relocate'able object which has some source in ON
[02:41:35] <_dsw> ok
[02:41:45] <_dsw> i'm doing emancipation
[02:41:51] <_dsw> on libc_i18n
[02:41:59] <_dsw> and just wanted clarification
[02:42:04] <_dsw> hence needed John
[02:42:06] <alanc> could be a function call in a library, a command line and it's options, a file format or some other form of interface
[02:42:12] <_dsw> guess he's busy right now
[02:42:26] <alanc> he was around about an hour ago
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[02:42:41] <_dsw> but does it mean non-existant and have to port it from freebsd maybe?
[02:42:47] <_dsw> ah he's a busy dude though
[02:42:50] <_dsw> he has day work
[02:43:20] <sstallion> _dsw: a public interface is one which is documented
[02:43:26] <sstallion> if it doesnt exist, then its not a public interface :)
[02:43:49] <_dsw> yeah I get what you're saying - hence my confusion as to "should I just write it" :D
[02:43:56] <alanc> for libc_i18n, if there is a public interface that's in the current libc, then it needs to be in the new libc once the project is done, and if the source doesn't exist, then you have to replace it somehow, including maybe porting from bsd
[02:44:15] <_dsw> i have the .hg changeset
[02:44:20] <_dsw> for libc/port
[02:44:30] <alanc> otherwise software using that public interface breaks
[02:44:41] <_dsw> we(e^+) have a plan
[02:44:44] <_dsw> like the cylons :D
[02:44:57] <_dsw> we can't tell you of course..!
[02:45:15] <_dsw> nah just wondering what to get busy on, ...
[02:45:46] <sommerfeld> _dsw: so the tricky part is to figure out whether the code in libc_i18n is called directly by applications (in which case you need to replace it directly) or is just called by libc internals (in which case you could also change libc to do something different).
[02:46:02] <sstallion> _dsw: there is an older page floating around on the project page of symbols which need replacing... i would start there
[02:46:29] <_dsw> indeed, but our plan is to just get the symbols returning a cast of what you expect them to return
[02:46:36] <_dsw> then we work out the rest.
[02:46:55] <_dsw> massively simplified of course, but..
[02:47:25] <_dsw> i trust john's plan
[02:47:47] <sstallion> _dsw: heh. you do realize that jbk and I are also project leaders for emanc. ;)
[02:47:53] <_dsw> ahh
[02:47:57] <_dsw> steve!
[02:48:02] <_dsw> now I realise the nick
[02:48:09] <_dsw> sorry mate
[02:48:16] <_dsw> didn't put 2&2
[02:48:26] <_dsw> he may have mentioned me
[02:48:30] <sstallion> it happens... IIRC e^ipi hasnt touched the libc bits in quite a while
[02:48:45] <_dsw> i've been doing it for the past couple of weeks
[02:49:01] <_dsw> :)
[02:49:06] <sstallion> honestly, start with the symbols and divide it into two parts like sommerfeld mentioned
[02:49:17] <_dsw> yeah
[02:49:20] <_dsw> good plan
[02:49:40] <_dsw> seems the libc symbols are very "ctype"
[02:49:45] <_dsw> nothing grandiose
[02:49:56] <sstallion> i havent looked at the docs, but there should be some amount of published documentation wrt the public interfaces
[02:50:06] <sommerfeld> so moving back to the original world of LC_ALL=C like the founding fathers of unix intended. :-)
[02:50:08] <_dsw> god help me on utf8, although gettext will assist
[02:50:09] <sstallion> start with that, then link it against real applications and plug the holes
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[02:50:27] <_dsw> yeah true steve
[02:50:39] <sommerfeld> then crawling back forward
[02:50:40] <_dsw> C/posix is our initial plan
[02:50:55] <_dsw> and then retrofit with charsetX support
[02:51:07] <_dsw> sound good?
[02:51:29] <_dsw> just need to get something putback which compiles, then we chip away
[02:52:58] <sstallion> well
[02:53:10] <_dsw> raggy at best, yeah
[02:53:12] <sstallion> its doubtful it will be putback until its complete (and then some)
[02:53:34] <_dsw> yeah course - scuse the putback, but locally that's our Big Plan
[02:53:46] <sstallion> gettext isn't a terrible idea, but I would also look into whether or not there are any other existing libs already used by ON that could be leveraged
[02:53:53] <_dsw> best to speak to John first I guess - feel odd speaking outside his bailiwick
[02:54:28] <_dsw> but I guess if i'm involved.. - other interfaces from gettext() like what?
[02:54:34] <_dsw> locale-safe I mean
[02:54:53] <sstallion> don't pick an implementation
[02:54:57] <sstallion> start at the interface level first
[02:55:00] <_dsw> just looking for a good-and-confirmed hand hold
[02:55:06] <_dsw> ok
[02:55:10] <_dsw> job done
[02:55:10] <sstallion> always start with a picture
[02:55:30] <_dsw> I know what needs to be supported in our instance, so..
[02:55:44] <_dsw> some things may be outside the scope of my tekniq
[02:55:53] <_dsw> but that's what I have a sponsor for
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[02:55:55] <sstallion> now, is there anything that is a existing dependency in ON that will meet the need ? (there may very well be one on gettext)
[02:56:11] <_dsw> coudln't say
[02:56:17] <sstallion> do some research
[02:56:24] <_dsw> have done
[02:56:24] <outworlder> how do I configure Brazilian Portuguese with an US International keyboard?
[02:56:48] <sstallion> there has been a bit of noise on osol-code lately wrt dependencies... no one is going to want yet another dependency unless its absolutely neccessary
[02:57:04] <_dsw> ok
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[02:57:20] <_dsw> perhaps we need e^ipi on to help out here
[02:57:28] <sstallion> why?
[02:57:34] <sstallion> you have a clone of onnv-gate don't you ?
[02:57:38] <_dsw> i cannot speak further for his mish
[02:57:41] <_dsw> yeah sure
[02:57:49] <sstallion> do some nosing around
[02:58:03] <_dsw> just not sure how much noseying I can do as a "nobody"
[02:58:14] <_dsw> im just a resource
[02:58:16] <_dsw> to assist
[02:58:17] <_dsw> no?
[02:58:21] <_dsw> :D
[02:58:22] <sstallion> you have just as much access as anyone else
[02:58:48] <_dsw> i guess -- so i'm at liberty to suggest -- dare I say -- improvements
[02:58:58] <sstallion> of course
[02:59:00] <_dsw> cool
[02:59:08] <sstallion> something you might consider is doing a dmake cscope.out in /usr/src
[02:59:08] <_dsw> that wasn't flippant btw
[02:59:16] <_dsw> yeah?
[02:59:20] <sstallion> cscope will help you quite a bit for looking up symbol usage
[02:59:26] <_dsw> ah ok
[02:59:35] <_dsw> ill run one off now
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[03:00:36] <_dsw> steve, kicking off
[03:00:44] <_dsw> might take a while
[03:00:47] <sstallion> yup
[03:00:49] <sstallion> also
[03:00:54] <sstallion> dig through usr/src/lib
[03:01:01] <_dsw> is this enumerating all the symbols?
[03:01:10] <sstallion> see if there is anything useful in there, if not, that is a possible case for gettext
[03:01:14] <_dsw> relocateable. etc
[03:01:22] <sstallion> look around, see what is out there and what most closely existing usages in libc
[03:01:28] <sstallion> indexing
[03:01:31] <_dsw> wicked
[03:01:38] <_dsw> like ld.so.1's job
[03:01:48] * _dsw bows to john levine's book
[03:02:38] <_dsw> tbh, the symbols I have to write are very much console based - it's almost like re-writing the functions to the dos ctype lib!
[03:02:51] <_dsw> which is not an issue at all
[03:02:55] <_dsw> I am happy to help
[03:03:16] <_dsw> ok console is the wrong qualification
[03:03:19] <_dsw> but you get my missive
[03:04:09] <sstallion> afk a spell
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[03:04:24] <_dsw> k
[03:04:29] <sstallion> (btw gettext is already present in cmd)
[03:04:40] <_dsw> might have a gander actually
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[03:04:44] <_dsw> I think it could help
[03:04:59] <_dsw> anyone else online from london? (or anywhere :)
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[03:07:09] <freetown> hello all. Do i have to upgrade to Indy93 to get samba 3.0.29+?
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[03:07:15] <_dsw> no
[03:07:18] <_dsw> not at all
[03:07:35] <_dsw> leech it and build it locally
[03:07:43] <freetown> okay, i tried pkg install SUNWsmba....OH.
[03:07:52] <_dsw> or you after an ipkg
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[03:08:06] <_dsw> i suggest you just build it locally
[03:08:12] <freetown> well, that is the point of having a repository right? :D
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[03:08:34] <freetown> build locally...how do i grab the source pkg from Indy93?
[03:08:40] <_dsw> yeah but who is there updating pkg's nonstop -- unless they're paid? ;)
[03:08:56] <_dsw> theres no concept of indy src
[03:09:05] <_dsw> get it from tridge's site
[03:09:08] <freetown> ah...Indy needs more helpers i see...
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[03:09:17] <_dsw> paid at that!
[03:09:30] <_dsw> they do a good job and I suggest they are paid!
[03:09:40] <freetown> er...does tridge's have zfs acls included?
[03:09:45] <_dsw> nope
[03:09:45] <ninjaslim> are there KDE 4.1 packages for SXCE
[03:10:02] <_dsw> that I cannot assist with -- sorry mate
[03:10:18] <freetown> _dsw: great...no source pkg for in Indy at all? doh...
[03:10:29] <_dsw> NAFAIK
[03:10:32] <_dsw> sorry dude
[03:11:02] <freetown> what on earth is Ian doing putting out something half complete...
[03:11:29] <_dsw> *shrug* -- sorry man
[03:11:34] <_dsw> debian is debian
[03:11:40] <jamesd> freetown, its beta software....  its the opensource way...  release often, release early
[03:11:47] <_mary_kate_> freetown: uh, the entire *point* of opensolaris is to get the half-complete version
[03:11:55] <_mary_kate_> freetown: if you want a finished OS, use Solaris 10, or wait for Solaris 11
[03:12:05] <_dsw> or
[03:12:06] <freetown> here come the solaris admins :D
[03:12:09] <jamesd> you want stable...  use Solaris its ready for production
[03:12:13] <_dsw> *ducks*
[03:12:26] <_mary_kate_> freetown: what does being a solaris admin have to do with it?  the point of opensolaris is to open the *development* of solaris
[03:12:33] <ninjaslim> doesn't SXCE have the same quality as Solaris 10
[03:12:34] <_mary_kate_> you think they should that how... not releasing anything?  that'd be good
[03:12:37] * _dsw waves down everyone to the bomb shelter to avoid the flame storm
[03:12:54] <freetown> _mary_kate_: ah, there is considerable resistance from that sector you see to Indy
[03:13:23] <_mary_kate_> freetown: i don't like indiana, but i have better reasons for it than 'it's not finished'.  i accept it's a work in progress and i'd rather they released that than wait until it's a finished product
[03:13:29] <_dsw> the cddl doesn't require 0day patches guys come on..
[03:13:46] <_dsw> indiana was never supposed to be the next debian
[03:13:51] <_mary_kate_> it's not like you lose anything by having in-development versions of indiana and SXCE
[03:13:55] <_dsw> at least not yet!
[03:14:04] <freetown> _dsw: now that's the spirit!
[03:14:13] <_dsw> f*king right! ;)
[03:14:30] <_dsw> come on - ymmv with this software
[03:14:46] <_dsw> if it doesn't support YourThingHere, then either
[03:14:47] <_dsw> a)
[03:14:51] <_dsw> submit an RFE
[03:14:55] <_dsw> b) write it
[03:14:59] <_dsw> c) post on here
[03:15:00] <_dsw> ;)
[03:15:32] <_mary_kate_> btw, since you mentioned Ian, do you think Debian 1.0 suddenly sprang into existence as a finished product? :)
[03:15:35] <freetown> well, i wonder why there is a samba 3.0.31 for Indy93 but none for Indy86...I guess Indy86 updates are not being done at all?
[03:15:47] <_dsw> heh
[03:15:47] <_mary_kate_> freetown: there are no updates for old builds.  there are only new builds
[03:15:49] <_dsw> mary
[03:15:55] <Gman> you update by upgrading currently
[03:15:58] <_dsw> what are you asking - really
[03:16:07] <freetown> Gman: ouch
[03:16:14] <Gman> them's the apples
[03:16:18] <Gman> currently
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[03:16:24] <Gman> you don't have to upgrade
[03:16:25] <_mary_kate_> _dsw: freetown thinks it's bad Sun released an in-development operating system instead of waiting until it was finished
[03:16:33] <_mary_kate_> _dsw: i think that is a silly point of view, so i am providing counter-arguments
[03:16:53] <Gman> (and by upgrade, you're not upgrading your kernel necessarily - just going from nvN to nvN+1)
[03:17:02] <_dsw> ok
[03:17:06] <_dsw> mary, np
[03:17:07] <freetown> _mary_kate_: er...no...i wonder why ceratin processes are not available when they should.
[03:17:32] <freetown> no source pkg means no volunteer can help out.
[03:18:33] <_dsw> mary, do you recall sls linux?
[03:18:36] <_dsw> before slack
[03:18:46] <_mary_kate_> freetown: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/sfwnv/Documents/install_quickstart/
[03:18:52] <_dsw> now THAT was how distribution was done - WOM and pretty effective
[03:19:01] <_dsw> but pacakages
[03:19:13] <_dsw> then came rpm I guess
[03:20:16] <_mary_kate_> (actual source link: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/sfw/downloads/current/)
[03:20:36] <_mary_kate_> _dsw: i didn't use linux much until debian 2.0 or so
[03:20:43] <_dsw> let'z be friends here -- No Big Deal(tm)
[03:20:56] <_mary_kate_> who is not being a friend?  i just gave him the source code he was asking for
[03:21:07] <_mary_kate_> i think it was pretty friendly of me to spend 5 minutes of my time finding it for him ;)
[03:22:31] <_dsw> mary, no big deal :)
[03:22:38] <_dsw> let's re-introduce
[03:22:43] <_dsw> how art thou
[03:22:58] <_dsw> i'm a new-comer here
[03:23:11] <_dsw> so I will hold back my personality
[03:23:13] <_dsw> although
[03:23:14] <_dsw> ..
[03:23:23] <_dsw> it doth berst phorth!
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[03:23:44] * _dsw brb
[03:25:42] <_dsw> re
[03:25:52] <_dsw> anyone like "sirenia"?
[03:25:56] <_dsw> music-wise
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[03:28:48] <freetown> _mary_kate_: BFU ain't for Indiana. The processes are way different. But thanks anyway
[03:29:36] <_mary_kate_> do you actually need to build packages?
[03:30:26] <nachox> guys, is there any chance to see the SVOSUG talk from today?
[03:30:50] <_mary_kate_> also, you can convert the packages to IPS packages (although i don't know where the thing that does that is off hand)
[03:30:52] <freetown> _mary_kate_: that is the whole point of having a software management system that handles both installation and updates.
[03:30:55] <_mary_kate_> (that's how the indiana packages are built)
[03:31:05] <_dsw> ah yes good question
[03:31:15] <_dsw> anyone care to port alien's funcionality?
[03:31:18] <_mary_kate_> freetown: well i assume you don't need to just build packages from unmodified source, as that'd be pretty pointless ;)
[03:31:24] <freetown> otherwise, i can just hit Solaris + patch + do you own thing.
[03:31:55] <e^ipi> freetown: bfu is for indiana as much as it is for nevada
[03:31:59] <freetown> _mary_kate_: Indy86 has zfs acls patched at the very least for samba 3.0.28
[03:32:16] <nachox> freetown, if you want to install a bfu in indiana, i dont see why you wouldnt, just do it in a different lu
[03:32:20] <e^ipi> _dsw: what would that accomplish?
[03:32:27] <freetown> e^ipi: cool, let's throw IPS out the window!
[03:32:30] <_dsw> well
[03:32:36] <e^ipi> _dsw: IPS can already eat sysv packages
[03:32:37] <nachox> freetown, yes, lets
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[03:32:42] <_dsw> people are discussing the package structure
[03:32:49] <_mary_kate_> freetown: i have better things to do than be lectured at by someone i'm trying to help
[03:32:54] * _mary_kate_ goes to make some coffee
[03:32:54] <_dsw> and I thought it a poignant time to mention aline
[03:33:03] <_dsw> *alien
[03:33:11] <_dsw> if you remember it
[03:33:22] <e^ipi> _dsw: i know what it does
[03:33:28] <_dsw> i know you do!
[03:33:33] <freetown> _mary_kate_: what? you have a problem with build a package for somethign that is not available and make it available to others too?
[03:33:36] <e^ipi> but there's no point, as IPS can already read sysvr4 packages
[03:33:43] <_dsw> cool
[03:33:52] <_dsw> but alien can do more as you know
[03:34:16] <e^ipi> do more what?
[03:34:21] <_dsw> so how about alien parsing ips and making it er... wait, no.. i cant do that
[03:34:35] <_dsw> :)
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[03:34:48] <_mary_kate_> freetown: i don't have a problem with anything, i'm trying to tell you how to build sfw packages for indiana... you just seem to be complaining at me
[03:35:59] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[03:40:31] <freetown> _mary_kate_: er...i'll looking around that tree then. but this is way different from grab source from outside (tridge's), add patches necessary and build according to spec file. It makes me wonder if i could at all build a proper IPS package for Indy86.
[03:41:12] <e^ipi> the road to indiana lays through nevada
[03:41:13] <nachox> e^ipi, you dont happen to know about a recording of the svosug meeting of today right?
[03:41:28] <e^ipi> step 1 is "build a sysvr4 package"
[03:41:34] <e^ipi> nachox: no clue
[03:43:46] <freetown> e^ipi: that is just weird. what is the point of IPS then? Just about everybody here wants to chuck that and cor, what a perfect excuse: people won't be allowed to use IPS properly anyway.
[03:44:13] <nachox> freetown, ips is meant for stable releases eventually
[03:44:31] <nachox> freetown, bfu is just a quick way for devels to test their work
[03:44:35] <_dsw> I suspect freetown is english
[03:44:42] <jmcp> I believe it's still under quite active development, too
[03:44:46] <freetown> _dsw: guess again :D
[03:44:55] <_dsw> heh
[03:44:58] <_dsw> close tho
[03:45:04] <_dsw> .au
[03:45:07] <_dsw> ?
[03:45:21] <_dsw> or.. .eu
[03:45:24] <_dsw> :D
[03:45:28] <freetown> well, i did grow up in a former British colony...its influence probably shows
[03:45:34] <_dsw> i think so
[03:45:40] <_dsw> you seem very english
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[03:45:49] <freetown> nowhere close _dsw. No even the continents :P
[03:46:00] <_dsw> you are yourself, and that's not my beezwax, so..
[03:46:10] <jmcp> freetown: so is the traceroute info any guide?
[03:46:16] <nachox> jmcp, i tought you meant freetown was under quite active developement till mi brain clicked :P
[03:46:20] <_dsw> ah jmcp
[03:46:23] <nachox> *thought
[03:46:27] <_dsw> let me congratulate you
[03:46:37] <freetown> ah, that be my hometown (as in where I was born)...but not where I grew up :-D
[03:46:38] <_dsw> and also comiserate on your bee infestation!
[03:46:59] <jmcp> _dsw: they're gone, now, fortunately
[03:47:15] <_dsw> cool
[03:47:29] <_dsw> btw that was my misplaced reply today on the forums
[03:47:31] <_dsw> :D
[03:47:32] <freetown> jmcp: so yeah, the traceroute should be a dead give away on my ethnicity
[03:47:52] <_dsw> i figured out by my good friends here that as of last night..
[03:47:59] <_dsw> studio 12 :D
[03:48:35] <freetown> and my nick is a clue to where i grew up.
[03:48:41] <_dsw> ahh
[03:48:44] <_dsw> now I know
[03:48:51] <jmcp> indeed it is, when one puts the pieces together
[03:48:53] <_dsw> praat jy afrikaans?
[03:49:09] <_dsw> ek taal 'n bietje
[03:49:20] <freetown> no, not South Africa...
[03:49:24] <_dsw> bugger
[03:49:29] <_dsw> :D
[03:49:51] <_dsw> jmcp: sorry to have wasted your time dude
[03:50:00] <jmcp> _dsw: no, you didn't waste my time
[03:50:08] <_dsw> k
[03:50:20] <_dsw> i have beer
[03:50:24] <_dsw> it's cold too
[03:50:35] <jmcp> and I apologise for the terseness of my response to you - it was really early in the day for me, and I was on a concall....
[03:50:37] <_dsw> better do a sicky
[03:50:42] <_dsw> ah no probs jmcp
[03:50:56] <_dsw> i should've known about the CC thread thing
[03:51:08] <_dsw> you were the perfect gent
[03:51:09] <_dsw> np
[03:51:16] <jmcp> let's all join in /hating@jive
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[03:51:31] <jbk> heh
[03:51:35] <jbk> i bet oracle is :)
[03:51:36] <_dsw> lets all join hating bbforums
[03:51:53] <_dsw> BUT
[03:51:57] <_dsw> lets all join...
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[03:52:16] <_dsw> LOVING UK GUYS WHO *SHOULD* GO BYBYES BUT DONT
[03:53:07] <jmcp> should I  LOL at this point? :)
[03:53:19] <dclarke> question about ZFS : I'm not too sure what the "version" parameter to zfs create really indicates. For example zfs create -o version=2 zpoolname/somezfsfilesystem
[03:53:20] <_dsw> I think that would help me avoid a tumbleweed
[03:53:44] <_dsw> come on J
[03:53:46] <jmcp> _dsw: you could fax me a beer... that would go down nicely right now
[03:53:52] <_mary_kate_> dclarke: the version of the on-disk format.  it's incremented when a new feature is added.  normally it's not something you would set (i'm not sure it's even possible)
[03:53:56] <_dsw> i know this
[03:54:08] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: I just set it
[03:54:09] <_dsw> i just arranged something called the "lock inn"
[03:54:15] <_dsw> note the extraneous "n"
[03:54:15] <jmcp> _dsw: heh
[03:54:19] <jmcp> I did indeed
[03:54:19] <_mary_kate_> well, you can't set it in S10.  perhaps SX is different
[03:54:21] <_dsw> this is for tax reasons
[03:54:23] <jmcp> what's it got on tap?
[03:54:38] <_dsw> carlsberg
[03:54:47] <_mary_kate_> oh, you can set it on a zpool.  not a filesystem
[03:54:54] <_mary_kate_> (which makes sense, as it's a per-pool properly)
[03:54:55] <_dsw> you pay a massive premium tho
[03:55:16] <jmcp> _dsw: no Belgian beer?
[03:55:22] <_dsw> 10 quid in the day for 24 will cost you 30 quid now
[03:55:24] <_dsw> hence
[03:55:25] <_dsw> nope
[03:55:29] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: I just set it on a zfs filesystem .. not a zpool
[03:55:29] <_dsw> not likely
[03:55:40] <_mary_kate_> dclarke: well, what does the manual page say about it?
[03:55:55] <jbk> actually there are separate versions for pool format and zfs format
[03:56:07] <jbk> just for the first few iterations they were bumped at the same time iirc
[03:56:10] <_dsw> jmcp doesn't matter - if you drink enough of it you'll get the deired effefct
[03:56:12] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/man/zfs_1M.html
[03:56:15] <jmcp> true!
[03:56:18] <_mary_kate_> jbk: well, like i say.. you can't set it in S10
[03:56:32] <_dsw> ahh Phil@bolthole!
[03:56:42] <_mary_kate_> dclarke: version=1|2|current
[03:56:46] <_dsw> always better than sunfreeware
[03:56:47] <_mary_kate_> about halfway down
[03:56:48] <dclarke> right
[03:56:59] <_dsw> especially for ddi/dki tutorialz :D
[03:57:01] <dclarke> _dsw : don't even bring him up around me these days ..
[03:57:07] <_dsw> ok
[03:57:09] <_dsw> sorry man
[03:57:10] <_dsw> :(
[03:57:17] <_dsw> did I name drop the wrong'n?
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[03:57:48] <_dsw> not my scene, so..
[03:57:48] * dclarke mutters something about a su root level damage thing done
[03:57:54] <_dsw> ahhhhh
[03:57:57] <dclarke> no problems
[03:58:05] <_dsw> private issues++
[03:58:11] <_dsw> sorry dclarke
[03:58:16] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: I'm trying to "downgrade" a zfs filesystem
[03:58:31] <nachox> i dont think you can
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[03:58:42] <_mary_kate_> yeah, you cant do that
[03:58:45] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: the only way that I could figure I could do that was to split a pile of mirrors and then create a new zpool
[03:58:59] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: can't ?
[03:59:05] <nachox> well, maybe creating the dataset in an older nevada release
[03:59:13] <_mary_kate_> nachox: well you can create it with an older version
[03:59:19] <_mary_kate_> but you can't downgrade an existing FS to a previous version
[03:59:26] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: but but ...
[03:59:32] * dclarke fumbles about
[03:59:45] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: well .. hold on .. hear me out please
[03:59:48] <nachox> that would hardly be downgrading though and i dont know why you'd want to do that
[04:00:10] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: I have a machine with a zpool that consists of decks of 146GB SCSI disks
[04:00:35] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: the machine is running snv_70b ( SXDE from last year I think )
[04:00:54] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: now I want to install Solaris 10 u6 ( or u5 ) on that box
[04:01:07] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: and when I am done with that .. I want to import the zpool
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[04:01:24] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: so I figure I'll drop the redundnecy and tear out all the mirrors
[04:01:39] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: with all those mirrors I will now make a zpool with an older version
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[04:01:56] <nachox> dclarke, what mirroring scheme did you use?
[04:01:57] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: then .. migrate the data from the newer on disk ZFS version to the older
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[04:02:06] <dclarke> nachox: just simple mirrors
[04:02:24] <dclarke> nachox : you know .. zfs create mirror vdev vdev mirror vdev vdev ...
[04:02:28] <_mary_kate_> that seems reasonable
[04:02:37] <jmcp> dclarke: oh, so not low IQ mirrors
[04:02:46] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: so .. the trick is to not use ZFS with any version higher than 4
[04:03:01] <dclarke> jmcp: sorry .. the only low IQ thing here is me
[04:03:03] <_mary_kate_> well just create the new zpool in S10
[04:03:09] <_mary_kate_> it's not going to create a zpool newer than it can support ;)
[04:03:11] <jmcp> dclarke: I doubt it :)
[04:03:16] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: damn .. you're right
[04:03:16] <_dsw> phew
[04:03:21] <nachox> yes, yes, i know, but it will take time, you'd need to create the zpool in s10 and import it in a newer nevada that understands the new format
[04:03:31] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: okay . .so boot with the CDROM and then create the new zpool
[04:03:49] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: then reboot to snv_70b and import the new pool
[04:03:57] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: very smart .. yes
[04:04:03] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: and very very safe too
[04:04:04] <_mary_kate_> er that's not really what i meant
[04:04:10] <nachox> hahaha
[04:04:11] * dclarke slaps head
[04:04:22] <dclarke> hence the only thing here .. with a low IQ .. is me
[04:04:24] <_dsw> heh !
[04:04:33] <_mary_kate_> hm..
[04:04:36] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: well .. it would work
[04:04:47] <_mary_kate_> well, actually it probably would be easier to create it from snv
[04:04:49] <_dsw> don't forget me - i'm now becoming single
[04:04:53] <_dsw> ish
[04:04:55] <_mary_kate_> at least if you know S10's zfs version (4 i guess)
[04:05:03] <_dsw> im sure she'll forgive me when we sober up tomorrow
[04:05:28] <nachox> _mary_kate_, i dont think you can tell solaris to create a zpool with a given zfs on disk format
[04:05:40] <_mary_kate_> nachox: you can according to the manpage
[04:05:43] <_dsw> lest it's money I lose for doing a sicky..
[04:05:47] <_mary_kate_> zpool create -oversion=4 mypool disks...
[04:05:49] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: please see http://rafb.net/p/HZEVwm46.html
[04:05:49] <_dsw> guess I can code though
[04:06:15] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: that is one of my S10u5 machines
[04:07:19] <nachox> dclarke, you dont have some extra cheap SATA disks right? i'd hate seeing you lose all that data due to a faulty drive in the middle of that process, it might be risky
[04:07:44] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: and here is snv_70b : http://rafb.net/p/WAVpmN52.html
[04:08:06] <dclarke> nachox: oh .. it is risky right now .. but I have a crazy thing here that helps
[04:08:09] <_dsw> night all
[04:08:14] <dclarke> nachox : it is called .. a tape drive
[04:08:25] * sstallion yawns
[04:08:28] <nachox> dclarke, old school :)
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[04:08:31] <dclarke> nachox: have you ever seen one ? only us old guys still have them I guess
[04:08:53] <nachox> dclarke, nah, banks are damn full of them
[04:08:56] <dclarke> in fact ... I have a collection of exabyte 8mm and DATs and DLTs and
[04:09:08] <dclarke> yeah .. what a nightmare to backup 4TB
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[04:09:21] <dclarke> so .. here I am trying to figure out how to do this trick
[04:09:21] <freetown> to the bonfires with them!
[04:09:31] <sstallion> jmcp: around?
[04:09:38] <dclarke> and I think that the version paramter in ZFS create is .. not what I want
[04:10:20] <nachox> haha
[04:10:33] <dclarke> anyways ..
[04:10:39] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: you're thoughts ?
[04:10:50] <jmcp> sstallion: only because I'm carrying a bit too much :)
[04:11:01] <jbk> :)
[04:11:22] <sstallion> jmcp: heh. actually I think I just found my answer ;)
[04:11:30] <jmcp> cool
[04:12:31] <sstallion> e^ipi: wakeup
[04:12:38] <sstallion> jbk: wakeup
[04:12:49] <jbk> i'm quite awake
[04:13:13] <sstallion> working on getting packaging put together
[04:13:28] <sstallion> wondering if we should mirror onnv's structure or move it into each individual project
[04:14:03] <nachox> _mary_kate_, funny, i have not found that in the man page i found on the net
[04:14:32] <e^ipi> because who doesn't love ON's structure, eh?
[04:14:33] * dclarke will boot with the CDROM
[04:14:40] * nachox is not in solaris atm
[04:15:00] <sstallion> e^ipi: uts isnt too bad
[04:15:09] <nachox> dclarke, what solaris 10 are you installing?
[04:15:24] <dclarke> u5
[04:15:40] <dclarke> s10s_u5wos_10
[04:15:43] <dclarke> u6 is not out yet
[04:15:53] <dclarke> and I was not on the beta this time around
[04:16:02] <_mary_kate_> nachox: in S10 it's under the section 'Properties' - the last property
[04:18:37] <nachox> _mary_kate_, http://www.manpagez.com/man/8/zpool/ ?
[04:18:59] <_mary_kate_> nachox: uh... that's a MacOS X manual page?
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[04:19:17] <dclarke> try this http://www.blastwave.org/man/zpool_1M.html
[04:19:18] <nachox> that explains it :)
[04:19:19] <jmcp> dclarke: there was no u6 beta
[04:19:28] <jmcp> dclarke: so don't feel like you were dissed or anything
[04:19:30] <jmcp> we all were
[04:19:40] <dclarke> jmcp: that explains it .. for a while I felt like I wasn't invited anymore
[04:19:57] <dclarke> jmcp: and I was all dressed up and ready to play too
[04:19:58] <jmcp> nah
[04:20:00] <jmcp> :)
[04:21:21] <nachox> dclarke, btw, why are you installing u5 with u6 and zfs boot round the corner?
[04:21:21] <_dsw> cat's woke me up, mrs kicked me out the room
[04:21:45] <freetown> nice castle you got there...
[04:21:59] <dclarke> nachox: I'm sooo production careful these days .. hence the downgrade
[04:22:05] <_dsw> you like emilie autumn?
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[04:22:11] <nachox> hehe
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[04:23:20] <_dsw> being a bodybuilder, one requires loads of kip.. also, beer in moderation... but ,err...
[04:23:52] <_dsw> jmcp is .au, he will tell you! he likez BEER!
[04:24:08] <jmcp> I sure do
[04:24:23] <jmcp> [1] FOSTERS is NOT Australian for beer
[04:24:24] <nachox> dclarke, i dont know, given how LU will work after u6, i'd say it's worth the risk
[04:24:31] <dclarke> in some places .. beer is a foodgroup
[04:24:40] <_dsw> i agree jmcp
[04:24:47] <_dsw> in the middel of london
[04:24:49] <_dsw> there
[04:24:51] <dclarke> nachox : I'll do u6 on other machines
[04:24:51] <_dsw> a LOT
[04:24:57] <_dsw> of .au
[04:25:00] <_dsw> but you know?
[04:25:06] <_dsw> they NEVER touch fosterz
[04:25:16] <_dsw> it's rancid sh1t beer
[04:25:16] <dclarke> nachox : remember .. I'm the sort of nut that will nail a mother board to  a wall and run it for a year liek that
[04:25:58] <_dsw> right now,I called the "lock inn" and got home delivery at a 300% premium
[04:26:05] <_dsw> but oh was it worth it
[04:26:21] <_dsw> 24 cans of the cold carlsberg
[04:26:30] <_dsw> 60 marby lights
[04:26:43] <_dsw> and a bird I just elbowed
[04:26:47] <nachox> dclarke, yes, that's very production ready :)
[04:26:49] <dclarke> nachox : this box will get u6 : SunOS dred 5.8 Generic_108528-21 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-880 Solaris
[04:27:09] <_dsw> well, she was my fiancem but she can bugger off
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[04:27:54] <nachox> how many cpus?
[04:28:00] <freetown> _dsw: have you gone bananas? :D
[04:28:04] <dclarke> nachox : 4
[04:28:19] <dclarke> nachox : 750's I think
[04:28:32] <_dsw> GONE bananas?
[04:28:38] <nachox> that was my next question, hehe
[04:28:41] <_dsw> you've never worked in london have you..
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[04:28:50] <freetown> no sir
[04:28:51] * dclarke reads zpool import in the man page
[04:29:20] <_dsw> monsiuer freetown - come check my life out and rasp at the ridiculousness
[04:29:49] <freetown> _dsw: je pense que je ne veux pas...meerci
[04:29:49] <_dsw> yeah I live well, drive an audi sport and do BadThings(tm)
[04:30:06] <_dsw> I speak .de if you fancy it mate :)
[04:30:07] <dclarke> okay .. I'm baffled .. oficiialy ..
[04:30:13] <dclarke> oficially even
[04:30:20] * dclarke gives up
[04:30:23] <freetown> _dsw: best i can do is: guten morgan!
[04:30:30] <_dsw> heh!
[04:30:40] <dclarke> I boot wit hthe CDROM for s10u5 and then perform a zpool import
[04:30:46] <_dsw> tx for reminding me I got to get up soom
[04:30:53] <_dsw> :(
[04:31:11] <freetown> _dsw: you're welcome. more beer?
[04:31:21] <_dsw> I have many
[04:31:25] <_dsw> want one?
[04:31:36] <dclarke> and it finds the left side of the zpool mirrors ( I say left for left chunk of rack pile of disks ) and says "The pool is formatted using an older on-disk version."
[04:31:40] <_dsw> the "lock inn" on "abingdon road"
[04:31:43] <_dsw> delivered
[04:31:45] <freetown> thanks for the offer but i get rashes so i'll pass
[04:31:59] * dclarke baffled
[04:32:05] <_dsw> cant be as bad as herpes zoster so you're ok
[04:32:13] <jmcp> dclarke: does it not import at all?
[04:32:23] <_dsw> we dontz r gotz herpez here
[04:32:45] <freetown> _dsw: you cannot believe how ITCHY it is...i had them for two weeks all over my body after my first pint. ruined wine for me too after that
[04:33:09] <_dsw> this is hurting my beer comfort..!!!
[04:33:14] <_dsw> ouch dude
[04:33:24] <_dsw> all cleared up or..?
[04:33:35] <dclarke> jmcp : well .. I won't try it .. I have no redundecy and this was created with *newer* zfs in snv_70b
[04:33:45] <freetown> yeah...now just one glass of wine can set me off...but no itch and only for a few days :(
[04:34:00] <_dsw> hahah
[04:34:06] <_dsw> you're the MAN!
[04:34:07] <freetown> that pint was...over 15 years ago
[04:34:13] <_dsw> ah well
[04:34:50] <jmcp> freetown: you're lacking the "can process alcohol" gene?
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[04:35:46] <freetown> jmcp: i dunno..i had no problems with wine prior to my first pint of beer. maybe my liver needs cleansing
[04:35:54] <jbk> i think i have the 'blood is made of alcohol' gene :)
[04:35:58] <jmcp> heh
[04:36:21] <_dsw> i have the "alcohol is made of blood" gene
[04:36:30] <dclarke> jbk : I can tell you .. I swear .. my healt got worse after I quit drinking
[04:36:38] <_dsw> must be the irish connection
[04:36:50] <jbk> <-- german, irish, scottish, english, and possibly some dutch
[04:37:15] <dclarke> jbk : holy crap .. you have the OH radical built into your system
[04:37:34] <_dsw> heh
[04:37:35] <dclarke> add in Italian and you can probably make great wine also
[04:37:45] <dclarke> while singing
[04:38:12] <_dsw> you think he's bad? see my mrs(ex-perhaps) what a smoraasboord of multi-love
[04:38:45] <nachox> oh, cool, vconsole was finally integrated in nv100!
[04:38:46] <dclarke> with a mix of german, irish, scottish, english, + dutch" you are a great engineer, always drunk, cheap like hell and you can't cook anything other than greasy fried foods but your liver doesn't care
[04:39:03] <e^ipi> nachox: and to counter that, the RTI for screen was also approved
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[04:39:09] <e^ipi> i'm just gonna stick with screen
[04:39:29] <jbk> cool.. i won't have to compile it myself then :)
[04:39:33] <e^ipi> nope
[04:40:24] <dclarke> anyone use the stuff from Blastwave anymore .. or is that from the dark ages when open source was nearly impossible to get on Solaris and no one wanted it anyways ?
[04:40:43] * dclarke looks at samba 3.2.4 to compile tonight
[04:42:19] <nachox> e^ipi, now all i need is some form of PGP
[04:42:53] <freetown> i thought blastwave was kindof shut down?
[04:43:01] <dclarke> hardly
[04:43:04] <_dsw> it's always a bolthole..
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[04:43:28] <freetown> ooohh!!! it's back!
[04:43:38] <_dsw> :D
[04:43:41] <_dsw> it IZ
[04:43:41] <dclarke> in fact .. the testing queue says "This page was last updated at Fri Sep 26 02:30:00 GMT 2008 "
[04:44:08] <dclarke> this http://www.blastwave.org/testing/index_cron.html is updated every 15 minutes
[04:44:18] <dclarke> synced to blastwave.network.com 4 times an hour
[04:44:28] <dclarke> ibiblio.org and others are done 4 times a day
[04:44:54] <dclarke> so the new vim pacgages are checked in withint ten minutes ..
[04:45:10] <dclarke> ripped apart and tested .. release happens asap
[04:45:29] <dclarke> with full automation around the corner .. we expect release in 90 minutes from initial package submission
[04:45:41] <nachox> dclarke, i dont know, things changed a lot in solaris 10, packages for s8 didnt use smf which is a cool plus in s10 for example
[04:45:54] <dclarke> nachox: base build is S10
[04:46:01] <nachox> since when?
[04:46:11] <dclarke> nachox: but it it works out of the box on S8 then it works everywhere .. so why not right ?
[04:46:20] * nachox is clearly outdated
[04:46:23] <dclarke> nachox : since last month or so ?
[04:46:30] <dclarke> maybe further ...
[04:46:53] <dclarke> from blastwave.network.com we publish to https://library.network.com/CatalogQueryServer/
[04:46:59] <_dsw> we need the topic to be the latest putback if it's significant you know..
[04:47:24] <nachox> dclarke, also people got really confused during that last public fight
[04:47:45] <dclarke> nachox : goto http://library.network.com and search for blastwave .. then click the tag ther efor "blastwave" .. it says .. 1820 apps I think
[04:48:18] <dclarke> nachox : it wasn't my fight .. I found everything taken out in the middle of the night and had to file legal letters to USC to get Phil Brown slapped for doing it
[04:48:39] <dclarke> nachox : it is old news now .. and life goes on
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[04:48:52] <_dsw> dclarke hence you issue!
[04:49:12] <nachox> dclarke, i didnt know what happened that day, others dont either i think
[04:49:26] <dclarke> imagine the look on my face too when everything was gone
[04:49:43] <dclarke> in fact .. we never did get anything back .. al lthe email data and mail lsits going back six years .. gone
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[04:51:20] <dclarke> nachox : right now .. I'm more concerned with reading about aclmode=passthrough or not
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[04:52:37] <nachox> dclarke, sounds like a windows option :)
[04:54:11] <dclarke> in S10u5 ?
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[04:55:30] <dclarke> okay .. created a new ZFS fs from the s10u5 CDROM ... now rebooting
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[04:58:36] <nachox> there is no 802.1x auth for wired networks in solaris, right?
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[05:01:16] <_dsw> im going to drink beer for EVERY one of you
[05:01:32] <jbk> heh
[05:01:34] <ky-san> and for me too?
[05:01:40] <_dsw> like I said
[05:01:45] <_dsw> *
[05:01:52] <ky-san> wow thanks dude ;)
[05:01:55] <jbk> that's a lot of beer
[05:02:01] <_dsw> i do have that
[05:02:14] <freetown> drink up!
[05:02:18] <_dsw> heh!
[05:02:23] <_dsw> not quite
[05:02:39] <_dsw> I will even put a webblog(tm
[05:02:41] <_dsw> ??)
[05:03:23] <_dsw> anyone know of a web blog with movies? (which doesn't mean xhamster.com) ?
[05:04:19] <jbk> last time i had beer
[05:04:19] <jbk> heh
[05:04:43] <jbk> the next day i got sun poisioning
[05:04:45] <_dsw> dont embarrasd yourself if it was > than 1 week..!
[05:05:14] <jbk> from deep sea fishing while recovering
[05:05:34] <jbk> from the 18 beers + 1/2 a fifth of rum
[05:05:35] <_dsw> madly burnt then?
[05:05:44] <jbk> yeah
[05:06:05] <_dsw> eek
[05:06:16] <_dsw> im dark hair but fair skin
[05:06:20] <_dsw> I know your plight
[05:06:28] <_dsw> and I have a penchant for fishing
[05:06:32] <_dsw> and err, BEER!
[05:06:41] <_dsw> although in the UK I fish for carp
[05:06:44] <jbk> i'm usually not much of a beer drinker
[05:06:59] <_dsw> cool
[05:07:12] <jbk> well it was an hour to get out into the ocean, 2 hours of fishing, and an hour back
[05:07:39] <_dsw> i would love to live in .us...
[05:07:47] <_dsw> the .uk is cack
[05:08:46] <jbk> each place has its pluses and minuses
[05:08:59] <_dsw> http://www.thebodyclinic.co.uk/treatment-tattoo-removal-laser.htm
[05:09:07] <_dsw> im getting this
[05:09:17] <_dsw> fscking hell I am
[05:09:27] <_dsw> must work!
[05:09:42] <ky-san> does anybody have an Ultra 5?
[05:09:49] <_dsw> (sorry to ctx)
[05:09:52] <_dsw> heh!
[05:10:02] <_dsw> an 196mhz?
[05:10:05] <jbk> do you have a question about it?
[05:10:27] <ky-san> there is an intersting slot on the motherboard
[05:10:28] <_dsw> the one where the psu is above the ram banks?!
[05:10:40] <_dsw> heh ky-san you know!
[05:10:57] <ky-san> err
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[05:11:13] <ky-san> iirc there is usual ATX psu
[05:11:40] <ky-san> and it is located at the right of from the MB
[05:12:10] <ky-san> and another question: I'm going to try to install an SXCE on it
[05:12:27] <ky-san> is it ever possible? (it has about 300mb of ram)
[05:12:32] <_dsw> wont work
[05:12:45] <ky-san> :(
[05:12:54] <_dsw> sol10 wont install on that
[05:12:56] * e^ipi directs ky-san towards openbsd
[05:13:38] <jbk> umm if the cpu is at the bottom and the power supply and cd is towards the top, where is the slot?
[05:13:57] <ky-san> nah. I'm a netbsd user
[05:13:57] <ky-san> I've an netbsd installed on sparc-station 5 (it has 32mb of ram ;)
[05:13:57] <freetown> SXCE wants 512 minimum
[05:13:57] <_dsw> sol10/sxce will go on a minimum usparcIIi
[05:13:57] <_dsw> nuff said
[05:14:05] <_dsw> heh
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[05:14:21] <_dsw> netbsd reminds me of sunos 4.1.3...u1 ;)
[05:15:02] <ky-san> why?
[05:15:21] <_dsw> because it's boot does
[05:15:26] <_dsw> weak I know
[05:15:47] <_dsw> and then it's depenadancy of bsd environment
[05:15:53] <ninjaslim> netbsd is nothing like sunos
[05:16:04] <_dsw> yes it is
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[05:16:09] <_dsw> from my angle
[05:16:10] <ninjaslim> wait 4.1.3 had a bsd environment
[05:16:16] <ninjaslim> i thought it was phased out a while ago
[05:16:16] <_dsw> naturally
[05:16:22] <matsuura> where can I get an updated image of ALOM?
[05:16:25] <_dsw> heh mate
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[05:16:27] <ninjaslim> but when did it become SysV
[05:16:40] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: solaris 2.0
[05:16:41] <e^ipi> 1991
[05:16:46] <ninjaslim> right
[05:16:47] <_dsw> 4.1.3... sunos was nothing but bsd, with sysv extras
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[05:16:48] <e^ipi> with sunos5/solaris2
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[05:17:00] <ninjaslim> ahh i see i'm not so up2date
[05:17:12] <ninjaslim> wlell in that sense yes
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[05:17:44] <_dsw> oh dear, didn't want to cause a flamewar
[05:18:19] <jmcp> matsuura: sun.com/downloads is the best place to start
[05:18:30] <_dsw> i like netbsd because it REMINDS me of using sunos
[05:18:35] <_dsw> and it's env
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[05:18:48] <_dsw> let alone on a 386 roadrunner
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[05:19:41] <_dsw> hey what music you all like?
[05:19:55] <_dsw> genre or subject is fine
[05:20:14] <jmcp> I've got Jamiroquai cranked at the moment
[05:20:19] <relling> b99 seems to have xchat... is it any good?
[05:20:19] <_dsw> i ask cos im listening to sirenia on
[05:20:24] <freetown> Macross
[05:20:26] <jmcp> earlier I had some Jacques Loussier and Mendelssohn
[05:20:34] <_dsw> jmcp this is the return or the SCB?
[05:20:50] <jmcp> Emergency on Planet Earth
[05:20:54] <jmcp> I've got all but one of his albums
[05:21:01] <jmcp> missing the one before Dynamite
[05:21:05] <_dsw> jk ftw
[05:21:05] * ky-san listens to John Petrucci - Glasgow Kiss
[05:21:20] * jbk is watching the daily show
[05:21:32] <_dsw> ky-san - do you know what a glasgow kiss is?
[05:21:36] <jmcp> need to build up my collection of Midnight Oil, too
[05:21:44] <matsuura> jmcp: do you know if I need...
[05:21:46] <matsuura> ALOM-CMT MIBS 1.0 Revenue Release
[05:21:57] <matsuura> or is that something else to worry about :p
[05:22:00] <ky-san> _dsw: frankly I've no idea about it
[05:22:09] <jmcp> matsuura: given that all you've asked is "where do I get an updated image" how on *earth* would know what you really need?
[05:22:16] <_dsw> ky-san its a head butt
[05:22:21] <matsuura> jmcp: true.. >_>
[05:22:26] <relling> I had some Tubes on earlier this evening... they seemed so much better when I was in college.. or maybe it was the ___
[05:22:41] <_dsw> relling mike oldfield?
[05:24:10] <relling> hmm... I think I lost my mike oldfield albums in a move once
[05:24:19] <ky-san> nice kiss. I wish I weren't kissed that way
[05:25:26] <_dsw> im thinking maggie and mike
[05:25:33] <_dsw> moonlight shadow
[05:25:46] <_dsw> maggie reilly that is
[05:25:58] <_dsw> showing my 28 yrs
[05:27:14] <_dsw> try this - lethargica by sirenia - very nice choon
[05:27:29] <_dsw> makes my cat go wild
[05:27:39] <_dsw> weird I gn0
[05:27:50] <_dsw> that one song
[05:27:56] <_dsw> *shrug*
[05:31:38] <matsuura> jmcp: so, There is no ALOM 1.6 support for the Sun Fire t2000? :(
[05:32:50] <jmcp> I dunno
[05:32:56] <jmcp> I thought the t2k used ilom, not alom
[05:33:12] <jbk> why not the tlom or zlom or xlom? :)
[05:33:47] * matsuura only knows alom >_>
[05:34:23] <matsuura> jmcp: right now, Im using ALOM CMT v1.0.2
[05:34:30] <_dsw> right, im spangled on cans of orange whip
[05:34:42] <_dsw> gents i will see you soon
[05:35:11] <jmcp> ciao
[05:35:12] * jmcp heads back into codereviewland
[05:35:12] <matsuura> farewell
[05:35:12] <_dsw> night all
[05:35:13] <ky-san> bye
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[07:30:35] <ninjaslim> what does the SXCE default install include
[07:30:52] <e^ipi> everything and the kitchen sink
[07:31:26] <jmcp> if you choose the All cluster
[07:31:32] <jmcp> which you most definitely *should* select
[07:31:36] <e^ipi> which you should
[07:31:50] <ninjaslim> i just did
[07:32:10] <e^ipi> good
[07:32:12] <ninjaslim> i'm kind of getting used to how Solaris does things, it's certainly different from BSD, but that's ok
[07:32:51] <ninjaslim> btw can you get KDE 4 on Solaris
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[07:33:10] <McBofh> no, because KDE is the work of the devil
[07:33:54] <ninjaslim> and gnome isn't?
[07:34:19] <McBofh> gnome's written in C, so of course it's all sweetness
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[07:34:33] <McBofh> I was gonna say "and light" but metacity puts a bullet in *that* argument :)
[07:34:42] <ninjaslim> xfce is light
[07:35:05] <ninjaslim> i wouldn't say that about gnome
[07:35:13] <ninjaslim> but either wa7
[07:35:15] <ninjaslim> way
[07:37:02] <e^ipi> well, xfce still uses bloaty GTK+
[07:37:06] <e^ipi> so i wouldn't call it "light"
[07:37:16] <ninjaslim> right well i'm talking about memory footprint
[07:37:20] <e^ipi> so am i
[07:37:43] <ninjaslim> i usually don't get above 90mb
[07:38:05] <ninjaslim> for KDE4 it's abotu 120 mb for a core KDE 4 install
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[07:38:55] <ninjaslim> gnome gets close to 180mb
[07:39:11] <ninjaslim> of course considering the kind of machines Solaris generally runs i don't think that's so much of a problem
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[07:42:40] <e^ipi> they're all pretty big
[07:42:40] <e^ipi> but considering the memory footprint of solaris itself, i don't think it makes that much of a diffrence
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[07:43:22] <ninjaslim> right i haven't used Solaris much, in BSD land relative to base memory usage it's relevant
[07:43:33] <ninjaslim> and a little less in linux land
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[07:44:46] <ninjaslim> oh by the way i realized why installing everything is a good idea on Solaris, when i was looking through the packages it seemed it was stuff i'd have to install anyway that was present in some way shape or form on both my Mac and my FreeBSD box
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[07:49:03] <jmcp> it's a good idea to install everything on Solaris because the SXCE installer makes is so !@#%!@#@%!#@!$ing difficult to get all the dependencies right if you don't and  you later want to install other stuff
[07:50:07] <ninjaslim> jmcp: pretty much my only gripe is gnome but i'll deal with that
[07:50:32] <ninjaslim> and yeah i did notice that
[07:50:45] <ninjaslim> cause i tried doing a custom install and picking only what i wanted and lets just say i got rocked
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[08:02:00] <freetown> IPS IPS IPS IPS IPS
[08:02:55] <jmcp> freetown: not integrated into Nevada yet, sadly
[08:03:02] <jmcp> middle part of next year is the target
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[08:03:35] <freetown> nevada getting IPS!? SO...what will happen to Indiana then?
[08:03:48] <jmcp> the question is more correctly "what will happen to Nevada"
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[08:03:56] <freetown> :D
[08:04:43] <freetown> is Nevada somehow going to be Solaris 11?
[08:05:28] <e^ipi> it will, in some form, become the next version of sun's flagship operating system
[08:06:22] <freetown> and what of Indiana? Where is it in the grand scheme of things?
[08:07:04] <freetown> on its way to see Dave Null?
[08:07:32] <e^ipi> indiana is a testbed, as far as anyone can tell
[08:08:12] <e^ipi> assuming IPS comes to nevada, that'll be an effective merge of the two
[08:08:14] <freetown> so much for all the talk about indiana becoming a basis for opensolaris distros.
[08:09:08] <freetown> hmm....i guess that means solaris admins are ready to accept that IPS is coming.
[08:09:09] <e^ipi> if nevada is a functional and logical equivalent of indiana, what's the difference?
[08:09:39] <e^ipi> freetown: that's a presumptuous conclusion, considering the large number of Solaris8 deployments out there
[08:09:42] <freetown> e^ipi: so long as I get tp upgrade to it, i guess i do not really care
[08:10:24] <freetown> no! sol 8 still pretty much out there?
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[08:14:59] <xRaich[o]2x> hi folks
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[08:20:34] <asyd> oups
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[10:04:39] <_dsw> morning
[10:05:06] <freetown> good afternoon
[10:05:12] <_dsw> :)
[10:05:15] <_dsw> just woke up
[10:05:20] <_dsw> mashed
[10:05:23] <freetown> well...time for me to head home. Enjoy your new day :D
[10:05:32] <_dsw> have a good'n
[10:05:48] <freetown> thnx. More beer! >:)
[10:05:51] <_dsw> heh
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[10:05:58] <_dsw> cd /pub ; more beer
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[10:25:34] <Gast_314_> http://www.meine-privaten-nacktvideos.net?id=4812552
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[11:19:54] <skullone> oh boy i love windows servers
[11:20:09] <skullone> just had to come into work at 2:20AM because one is half locked up
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[11:22:40] <matsuura> skullone: gotta love it..
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[11:24:28] <skullone> not sure if love is the word id choose
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[11:28:08] <skullone> guess ill watch some netflix on demand while im here  =/
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[11:32:05] <matsuura> skullone: too late to order some pizza eh? :p
[11:32:37] <matsuura> skullone: do you work in the pacific norhwest? :o
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[11:34:10] <skullone> yah, what tipped you?
[11:34:35] <twisti> Hi.
[11:35:31] <twisti> I'm searching for a pthread/thread function that returns pthread_attr_t (or the equivalent for threads) for a particular thread.
[11:35:33] <matsuura> skullone: microsoft, my exact time, and well, yeah
[11:35:34] <matsuura> :p
[11:36:02] <matsuura> skullone: I work in bellevue :o
[11:36:11] <twisti> There are some *_np functions on Linux and BSD, but I couldn't find one on Solaris.
[11:36:14] <twisti> Any hints?
[11:36:32] <twisti> What I actually need is the stack address and size.
[11:36:47] <skullone> im in portland, got a friend in bellevue who works for MS though, poor bloke
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[11:37:46] <matsuura> skullone: haha, I just moved from portland.. :p
[11:37:59] <matsuura> skullone: however, when I moved, I worked in hillsboro at intel
[11:38:02] <matsuura> >_>
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[11:39:12] <anilg> How long should it take to sort -u 90000 lines in a file?
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[11:44:35] <TomJ> few seconds?
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[11:46:07] <TomJ> just took me 2 seconds to sort -u a 155,000 line binary file
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[11:48:10] <smtms> twisti, these *_np functions are non-portable
[11:50:09] <twisti> smtms, I know, but the code is os-dependent.
[11:50:15] <twisti> So it doesn't matter.
[11:50:33] <twisti> Is there a way on Solaris to the get thread attributes?
[11:52:39] <whoami08> pthread_attr_* ?
[11:53:54] <twisti> These functions change an existing pthread_attr_t, but first I need to get it.
[11:54:36] <whoami08> pthread_attr_get* :)
[11:54:46] <twisti> :)
[11:55:04] <twisti> e.g. on BSD it's something like:
[11:55:08] <twisti>     pthread_attr_get_np(pthread_self(), &attr);
[11:56:13] <whoami08> see man pthread_create on how to pass attr to threads
[11:56:30] <twisti> It the other way around what I want.
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[11:56:40] <twisti> I want the attributes from an already running thread.
[11:57:57] <matsuura> root@flame /tmp/images# ./sysfwdownload Sun_System_Firmware-6_3_12-Sun_Fire_T2000.bin ]
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[11:58:39] <matsuura> am I not able to update the firmware in linux?
[12:00:03] <TomJ> you have linux installed on a T2000?
[12:00:10] <matsuura> sparkleytone: yes :(
[12:00:15] <matsuura> err, TomJ
[12:00:18] <TomJ> wow
[12:00:23] <TomJ> good luck with that.
[12:00:26] <matsuura> came like that
[12:00:42] <TomJ> so get it off and put Solaris on it
[12:00:53] <matsuura> TomJ: already downloading an iso xD
[12:01:16] <twisti> whoami08, It seems pthread_attr_getstacksize is what I'm searching for.
[12:01:27] <TomJ> that error sounds like sysfwdownload is a script, and the shebang (line one of the file) is pointing to an invalid binary
[12:01:38] <TomJ> head -1 sysfwdownload
[12:01:44] <TomJ> but frankly I'd just wait until Solaris is on and update firmware from there
[12:01:49] <twisti> I thought it returns the stacksize of the given attribute, but it looks like it returns the stacksize of the current thread.
[12:01:51] <matsuura> TomJ: sysfwdownload looks as if it is a binary
[12:02:07] <matsuura> TomJ: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[12:02:23] <TomJ> ah ok
[12:02:48] <TomJ> just leave it until you're in Solaris
[12:02:56] <matsuura> yeah, figured
[12:02:57] <TomJ> no harm in updating firmware after install instead of before
[12:03:03] <matsuura> TomJ: indeed
[12:03:08] <matsuura> TomJ: just telnet sucks dude
[12:03:10] <matsuura> :(
[12:03:49] <TomJ> remote console install isn't so bad
[12:03:51] <matsuura> all the manuals I have read for the t2000 has had fancy features, whereas this here version of the ALOM is all dull and stuff :p
[12:04:03] <matsuura> TomJ: remote console?
[12:04:29] <seanmcg> ssh to the T2000's console :)
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[12:04:39] <matsuura> seanmcg: have to update firmware >_>
[12:04:59] <TomJ> matsuura: serial console or telnet or whatever
[12:05:05] <seanmcg> should still be able to ssh/telnet to the console
[12:05:42] <matsuura> TomJ: yeah.. Telnet isnt THAT bad.. ssh would be sexy though >_>
[12:05:51] <matsuura> I need to make a serial cable though
[12:05:59] <matsuura> weird pin layout.. cisco ones dont work
[12:06:08] <matsuura> so I have to find that netra version or something
[12:06:32] <matsuura> seanmcg: na, I can.. I have to set that in ALOM and that feature is not avaliable on this version
[12:06:36] <matsuura> cant**
[12:06:39] <seanmcg> oholiks, ok.
[12:06:51] <matsuura> oholiks?
[12:06:55] <matsuura> o_O
[12:07:03] <matsuura> alcoholics?
[12:07:12] <_dsw> someone said my name?!
[12:07:17] <matsuura> xD
[12:08:49] <seanmcg> damn trigger tab finger
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[12:10:29] <matsuura> TomJ: I noticed there was not an arch selection when downloading osxe.... Is this right?
[12:10:36] <matsuura> Actually, same with actually ordering the CD
[12:10:43] <matsuura> didnt ask me if Iwasnted x86 or SPARC
[12:10:53] <matsuura> wanted**
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[12:12:35] <Okona> matsuura, only sxce is available for sparc, and there should be an arch selection before it
[12:12:55] <matsuura> Okona: o_o
[12:12:59] <matsuura> damn...
[12:13:17] <Okona> matsuura: are you downloading opensolaris 2008.05?
[12:13:23] <matsuura> yes
[12:13:38] <Okona> ok, that is x86 only at the time
[12:13:50] * matsuura kills the download... >_<
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[12:14:10] <matsuura> Okona: thank you very much!
[12:14:22] <matsuura> Okona: am I able to order osce CDroms?
[12:14:33] <matsuura> err
[12:14:34] <Okona> you can download sxce
[12:14:38] <matsuura> sxce**
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[12:14:45] <matsuura> Okona: this is true, but can I order them >_>
[12:16:30] <Okona> i doubt. It is updated every two weeks
[12:17:22] <matsuura> damn... That sounds like some win
[12:17:25] <matsuura> oh, b98
[12:17:27] <matsuura> :D
[12:17:52] <matsuura> 2 dvds.. ohshiii
[12:18:04] * matsuura wonders
[12:19:12] <twisti> whoami08, No, wrong, it does what I thought it does.
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[12:21:21] <matsuura> guys, I have no nasal decongestants.. What do I do...? :(
[12:22:27] <Okona> matsuura: it is only one dvd in two files (-:
[12:22:57] <matsuura> Okona: noticed.. Kind of confused as to why though
[12:23:02] <matsuura> perhaps I can read why soemwhere
[12:23:11] <matsuura> this java download manager seems to do good, sooo
[12:23:12] <Okona> matsuura: there is also a one dvd image download
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[12:23:19] <matsuura> :p
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[12:23:38] <Okona> unn, never touched the java download manager
[12:24:01] <skullone> i wish i knew more about opensolaris, or solaris in general
[12:24:06] <skullone> im still a total noob
[12:24:22] <skullone> though, i feel like that about freebsd still  =/
[12:24:51] <Okona> skullone: practice practice practice (-:
[12:26:28] <matsuura> skullone: go get a job at sun then
[12:26:30] <matsuura> not too far
[12:26:39] <matsuura> :D
[12:26:57] <skullone> they may want someone with more qualifications than "aspiring"
[12:27:24] <c00p> I know a guy Sun AU hired and he was useless !
[12:27:46] <matsuura> skullone: try anyways
[12:28:02] <c00p> hired as a sys admin and had never really ever used Solaris - sent him straight on Sol 10 courses etc.
[12:28:08] <Okona> the people from tier1 tech support mostly have no clue (-:
[12:28:11] <matsuura> skullone: hell, get a job at intel then tranfers to sun to piss intel off
[12:28:20] <c00p> lol
[12:28:45] <matsuura> skullone: or just go work at symantec or uh, what other place, mcafee
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[12:29:20] <skullone> or i could try to keep beinging *nix into our shop
[12:29:22] <skullone> :p
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[12:30:38] <matsuura> skullone: you mean shitty windows servers? :(
[12:30:46] <matsuura> like the one you had to come in at 2:20 AM to fix
[12:30:47] <matsuura> :p
[12:31:36] <matsuura> Windows Server 2008 - The way of the future!
[12:33:55] <skullone> meh
[12:34:02] <c00p> ask jerry Sienfield
[12:34:07] <skullone> we have sun reps trying to bang down our doors
[12:34:19] <skullone> we asked about getting 6 thumpers
[12:34:46] <c00p> thumpers rock
[12:35:48] <skullone> so weve been told
[12:35:55] <skullone> our only issue is with AVS
[12:39:07] <_dsw> thumper ftw - although, imagine having one racked above another box, and then try to replace a disk...
[12:39:08] <_dsw> :D
[12:39:18] <_dsw> s/above/below/
[12:39:31] <_dsw> to the pub we go! up up and away
[12:40:16] <skullone> theyre supposedly fully serviceable
[12:40:19] <skullone> while powered on
[12:40:20] <seanmcg> some folks use sliding rails for that _dsw :)
[12:40:25] <skullone> assuming you have good cable arms
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[12:57:03] <Tpenta> I hate when you are giving a preso in front of an audience, and you go to do a demo and you type "halt" in a window inside virtual box andthen realise that window was on the underlying notebook
[12:57:24] <Tpenta> as X disappears and you see shutdown messages
[12:58:20] <seanmcg> export PS1='\h $ '
[12:58:21] * jmcp guffaws
[12:58:48] <jmcp> Tpenta: @ the techdays in March, the Director of Solaris Cluster was presenting and her laptop battery died
[12:58:57] <seanmcg> we have wrappers around halt/reboot on our server to stop folks doing that..
[12:59:06] <jmcp> which gave rise to a few jokes about needing HA laptops
[13:00:12] <Tpenta> i think i am going to modify things so i get a hostname in my root prompt
[13:00:44] <seanmcg> PS1
[13:00:51] <MadHag> do they have network drivers?
[13:01:08] <Tpenta> i know, I have been working wit the bourne shell since 1983 ;)
[13:01:09] <hile_> seanmcg: more likely PS1="`uname -n` # "
[13:01:33] <MadHag> yes, it's time to move on and stop living in the past
[13:01:55] <Tpenta> well actually i *was* in ksh93, but the same thing applies
[13:02:01] <MadHag> Open solaris installs nice ntw
[13:02:23] <seanmcg> hile_, depends on the shell..
[13:02:37] <MadHag> alongside vista too, messed the chainloader a bit but that was easy to fix
[13:02:45] <Tpenta> in csh (which I also use around the place), it's $prompt
[13:03:17] <MadHag> end users like buttons
[13:03:37] <jmcp> MadHag: oooh shiny!
[13:03:42] <MadHag> :)
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[13:03:59] <Tpenta> hmmm shiny buttons, I am reminded of songs by the electric amish
[13:04:14] <MadHag> good name for a band
[13:04:17] <McBofh> they're like ferrets in that regard
[13:04:28] <Tpenta> "hey Carl, the knobs on that guitar look kind of shiny", "yea, don't tell the preacher"
[13:04:54] <McBofh> depends on who's been doing the polishing, surely...... (and how they've been doing it)
[13:04:56] <Tpenta> with such hits as "Black Bonnet Girls" and "Barn to be wild"
[13:05:15] <Tpenta> "Hey, this radio station isn't using electricity is it?"
[13:06:12] <MadHag> actually, 'push button city' has a sort of ring to it
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[13:06:25] <Tpenta> "won't you give me 3 pigs, give me 3 pigs mister, give me 3 pigs and a horse"
[13:08:04] <MadHag> I took a look at the opensource network card for my pc and the one offered by the manufacturer, read the install doc and realised I didnt have a phd in cumputerscience to install it, put me off a bit
[13:08:18] <MadHag> drivers that is
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[13:10:48] <MadHag> my command of the english language ain't that good either though :)
[13:13:26] <matsuura> root@flame /tmp/images# file sysfwdownload
[13:13:26] <matsuura> sysfwdownload: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[13:13:29] <matsuura> root@flame /tmp/images# poweroff
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[13:13:32] <matsuura> Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Fri Sep 26 03:45:05 2008):
[13:13:34] <matsuura> errr...
[13:13:37] <matsuura> The system is going down for system halt NOW!
[13:13:47] <matsuura> damn middle button
[13:13:48] <MadHag> init 6
[13:13:50] <matsuura> sorry sirs
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[13:14:22] <Okona> the pain with root shells (-:
[13:14:49] <MadHag> give root any day, ubuntu drives me nuts
[13:15:42] <MadHag> anyone one tried debian desktop, its so icky, good server though
[13:17:01] <Okona> if i'd try a debian desktop, it would be ubuntu
[13:17:18] <MadHag> yeah, its good, all works perfect for me
[13:18:00] <MadHag> if I could upgrade my server remotly I would to ubuntu, probably break everything though
[13:18:34] <Okona> (-:
[13:20:06] <MadHag> nice solid feel about opensolaris, I like it
[13:22:19] <MadHag> pcbsd is nice too, although it has this knack of deleting windows.exe in vista and not telling you; so you end up spending hours trying to fix the chainloader when all the time its ok :)
[13:22:56] <MadHag> like trying to start a car without an starter motor
[13:23:23] <Okona> ?
[13:23:35] <MadHag> installation fault
[13:23:39] <Okona> (never had both on my computer)
[13:23:49] <MadHag> deletes a main windows file
[13:24:09] <Okona> LOL
[13:24:09] <MadHag> I like to dual boot
[13:24:44] * Okona uses vmware or virtualbox
[13:24:58] <MadHag> not done any vm stuff
[13:25:33] <Okona> i especially like the snapshot feature
[13:25:41] <matsuura> I think you guys need to stop being pussies and grab vmware esx... >:)
[13:25:42] <MadHag> reminds me a bit of Wine on Linux, should  be called Why instead
[13:25:52] <matsuura> MadHag: xD
[13:26:37] <cmihai> I think you guys need to stop being pussies and just use Solaris xVM instead, hmf?
[13:26:52] <matsuura> cmihai: how is that?
[13:26:54] <matsuura> neer tried it
[13:26:56] <cmihai> Xen.
[13:27:00] <matsuura> never**
[13:27:05] <matsuura> Xen is lame
[13:27:05] <_mary_kate_> xvm isn't an especially good solution for desktop vm
[13:27:06] <trochej> xVM?
[13:27:10] <matsuura> never worked too well for me
[13:27:11] <trochej> Xen?
[13:27:14] <trochej> Blkea
[13:27:20] <cmihai> Works fine for me.
[13:27:32] <cmihai> xVM + ZFS + compression + snapshots + clones == fun
[13:27:40] <matsuura> well see, you must not be a .net developer like me then
[13:27:51] <_mary_kate_> i guess if it works fine for you, it must be perfect for everyone else
[13:27:53] <trochej> Never tried the Solaris implementation, but the Linux one was too buggy for me
[13:27:55] <cmihai> No, I'm a UNIX guy
[13:28:05] <cmihai> Works fine here.
[13:28:22] <matsuura> cmihai: vmware esx + zfs + compression + snapshots + containers + clones = vSex
[13:28:36] <matsuura> cmihai: yeah, Im a unix guy too >_>
[13:28:37] <cmihai> I'd take esxi, at least it's free :-)
[13:28:42] <cmihai> If you're not really into VMotion stuff.
[13:28:52] * matsuura shrugs
[13:29:08] <matsuura> cmihai: saying that is like letting me wipe my nose with your work shirt..
[13:29:22] * matsuura wipes his nose with cmihais work shirt
[13:29:22] <trochej> ROTFL
[13:29:28] <cmihai> ESX has too much LINUX crap.
[13:29:40] <matsuura> yeah, this is true
[13:29:41] <matsuura> :(
[13:29:49] <cmihai> Too much time fucking about with ancient RHEL 3 crap you need to patch.
[13:29:56] <matsuura> but has some awesome features that slaris includes in the operating system itself >_>
[13:30:04] <matsuura> cmihai: RHEL stuff?
[13:30:06] <matsuura> no way
[13:30:11] <matsuura> NEVER bothered with that with esx
[13:30:15] <matsuura> :p
[13:30:22] <cmihai> Yes, the Loonix userland is RHEL 3 + vmkernel on top
[13:30:25] <cmihai> ldapmodify .a .h 127.0.0.1 -p 3892 .D.cn=Directory Manager. .w password .f
[13:30:32] <cmihai> Erm
[13:30:33] <cmihai> crap.
[13:30:38] <cmihai> Fucking clipboard.
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[13:30:53] <MadHag> ooh, language Timothy
[13:31:00] <matsuura> cmihai: screw all of that, I just like being able to use esx as a server and set it up like zones/containers in solaris when not on solaris >_>
[13:31:04] <matsuura> haha
[13:31:14] <matsuura> MadHag: he speaks english sir
[13:31:20] <matsuura> ;)
[13:31:50] <MadHag> I live in France its good to be free of all the bad language
[13:32:04] <matsuura> xD
[13:32:25] <matsuura> well ho ho, arent you the big fucking man around this mother fucker..
[13:32:38] <MadHag> tut tut
[13:32:39] <matsuura> this mother fucking shit is fucking the fucking shit nigger
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[13:32:44] <trochej> MadHag: Youmean that you don't swear?
[13:32:50] <matsuura> >_>
[13:33:04] <asyd> MadHag: hmmm I notice you're living near toulouse, are you aware about the opensolaris day, the october, 13th? ;p
[13:33:04] * matsuura is done with his excessive swearing
[13:33:10] <MadHag> actually its one of my vices, just not in public
[13:33:12] <MadHag> lol
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[13:33:29] <matsuura> asyd: aw man, what a lucky dude... :(
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[13:33:41] <MadHag> and only when I am like totally stressed
[13:33:47] <MadHag> so its often :)
[13:33:53] <matsuura> fuck that
[13:33:58] <asyd> matsuura: why lucky ? ;p
[13:33:59] <matsuura> dont fuckign lie to me
[13:34:06] <palowoda> You don't swear until you own a 57 2CV push start starter.
[13:34:06] <matsuura> asyd: because im sooo far, I cant go
[13:34:12] <asyd> matsuura: ah yes, ok
[13:34:17] <matsuura> asyd: :(
[13:34:23] <MadHag> I would like one
[13:34:24] <matsuura> asyd: wanna buy me a plane ticket?
[13:34:26] <matsuura> :)
[13:34:33] <asyd> well, the next year I think we (french sug) will organize a big opensolaris event, in paris
[13:34:35] <MadHag> we have a mg sports
[13:34:40] <MadHag> and I have a bike
[13:34:47] <matsuura> do you have knives?
[13:34:49] <matsuura> :D
[13:34:53] <jmcp> asyd: want to fly me over to present?
[13:35:03] <MadHag> paris is too far, sod that
[13:35:38] <asyd> well, as far sun can pay for you, yeah, we already need our whole budget for actual speakers
[13:35:40] <MadHag> besides a muslim my explode next to me on the train
[13:35:46] <MadHag> *might
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[13:35:58] <asyd> http://guses.org/ostls/en/home.html
[13:36:09] * matsuura sets the locator on his t2000 so he can see what is going on in his romm, the right way to approach a dark doorway, on the mission to get some cramberry juice ;)
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[13:36:45] <MadHag> toulouse is very near me :)
[13:36:52] <MadHag> day out maybe
[13:36:59] <asyd> yeah, that's I ask you if you come or not :)
[13:37:32] <MadHag> might do
[13:37:41] <MadHag> any cost for the event?
[13:38:04] <asyd> it's free, just take some beer for me and other guses people ;p
[13:38:15] <MadHag> mind you I am just an end user low life scumbag :)
[13:38:28] <matsuura> haha
[13:38:32] <matsuura> bring a .22
[13:38:34] <Macabee> hmmm - easysmf is 404'ing :/
[13:38:38] <matsuura> let the see how angry you are
[13:38:48] <MadHag> what are you doing all the way down here?
[13:38:56] <matsuura> hunting
[13:39:01] <MadHag> haha
[13:39:15] <matsuura> ...?
[13:39:21] <matsuura> Whats so funny about hunting?
[13:39:23] <matsuura> :(
[13:39:36] <MadHag> haha bring your own laptop and install opensolaris
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[13:39:49] <matsuura> I have opensolaris installed on my own laptop(s)
[13:39:49] <MadHag> then find out you need a phd to connect to the net
[13:39:50] <matsuura> >_>
[13:40:03] <matsuura> a phd to connect to the net
[13:40:04] <matsuura> :(
[13:40:15] <MadHag> I tried yesterday, gave up
[13:40:28] <smtms> MadHag, you need a B.Sc. only
[13:40:36] <MadHag> will have another go when I recover from depression
[13:40:49] <matsuura> MadHag: what securities are on the AP?
[13:40:50] <MadHag> and the wounds heal
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[13:42:53] <MadHag> maybe I can bring my central unit and someone can install the driver
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[13:45:57] <MadHag> AP?
[13:46:44] <jmcp> access point
[13:47:35] <MadHag> my firewall?
[13:47:38] <palowoda> Associated Press
[13:47:50] <MadHag> hate the ap
[13:47:54] <MadHag> parasites
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[13:53:40] <palowoda> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/svosug-feed2    just turn up the volume.
[13:56:00] <MadHag> hope there is more people at Toulouse :)
[13:57:03] <asyd> well, 40 subscribers actually
[13:57:06] <MadHag> anyone familiar with solariscentral.com
[13:57:15] <MadHag> 40, good
[13:57:30] <MadHag> I will try to make it 41 but I am only an end user
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[13:58:02] <MadHag> I actually thought of opening a shop selling solaris computers a few years ago
[13:58:32] <domutaka> that would not do good business
[13:58:59] <asyd> MadHag: the event is for end user.
[13:59:02] <MadHag> yeah, might sell some but they would be for the specialist heh
[13:59:15] <MadHag> end user, ah ok
[14:00:07] <asyd> especially the afternoon, the morning is more technical
[14:00:21] <domutaka> how much code in % have been opened by opensolaris
[14:01:32] <jmcp> domutaka: are you really asking "what percentage is still closed" ?
[14:01:44] <MadHag> I would like the tech stuff, just dont ask me a question
[14:02:04] <domutaka> jmcp:--> yeap
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[14:02:35] <jmcp> by lines of code or number of files?
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[14:04:32] <domutaka> jmcp:--> any how you could just tell the figure ?
[14:05:06] <jmcp> the percentage of files shows a different result compared to the number of lines of code
[14:05:43] <jmcp> files-wise, about 6.4% is still closed
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[14:10:30] <MadHag> hey, any jobs going for people who live down here in the South of France
[14:10:49] <jmcp> dunno
[14:10:54] <MadHag> I know my way around a server a bit
[14:10:57] <jmcp> I know we've got an office in Grenoble
[14:11:10] <MadHag> I live near Tarbes
[14:11:35] <MadHag> I webdev a bit too
[14:11:50] * jmcp hits google maps for Tarbes
[14:11:59] <MadHag> think I will pop along to Toulouse :)
[14:12:16] <MadHag> aspin en lavedan to be exact
[14:12:33] <jmcp> it's only about 130km, from the look of it
[14:12:33] * MadHag installs google earth
[14:12:36] <jmcp> an easy drive
[14:12:58] <MadHag> I will go by train, traffic is bad as you hit Toulouse
[14:13:06] <MadHag> besides the TGV is fast :)
[14:13:11] <MadHag> and cheap
[14:13:15] <jmcp> don't blink or you'll miss the trip!
[14:13:53] <domutaka> hey whats that cpu error in opensolaris when i boot it into vmware
[14:14:01] <MadHag> came down here with just a backpack, now I live on a farm in a 16th farmhouse :)
[14:14:09] <palowoda> Actually www.flashearth.com works well with solaris.
[14:14:11] <jmcp> domutaka: EDONTBOOTVMWARE
[14:14:25] <domutaka> jmcp:--> what ?
[14:14:37] <jmcp> why bother booting vmware when you can boot OpenSolaris?
[14:15:28] <domutaka> i am not booting vmware, i am booting a virtual machine of opensolaris inside it.
[14:15:39] <jmcp> sigh
[14:15:52] * jmcp can't be bothered explaining humour on a Friday night
[14:16:03] <MadHag> quite popular all this vm stuff these days
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[14:16:19] <MadHag> I prefer the real thing though :)
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[14:16:35] <xRaich[o]2x> it's nice for testing some stuff, but why bother when there are live cds?
[14:16:57] <MadHag> I got the live opensolaris cd the other day
[14:17:03] <_mary_kate_> how do you use a livecd without rebooting your computer and interrupting your workflow?
[14:17:20] <xRaich[o]2x> 2nd computer ^^
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[14:17:30] <McBofh> _mary_kate_: what is this "work" thing you mention?
[14:17:30] <_mary_kate_> how is that any better than a vm then?
[14:18:08] <MadHag> why more than one OS is my question
[14:18:12] <domutaka> i haven't figured out any thing similar to "snapshot" in vmware thats why i use it. i also prefer real.
[14:18:14] <MadHag> at a time that is
[14:18:38] <MadHag> I can do virtually everything I need from vista
[14:19:08] <xRaich[o]2x> _mary_kate_: for me it's better since my machines don't have a lot of horsepower ^^.
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[14:19:13] <MadHag> I like to boot to a another OS like Linux for interest
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[14:19:41] <MadHag> its hard to edit flash sites in Linux :)
[14:19:56] <Okona> MadHag: you do edit Flash?
[14:20:03] <MadHag> just edit
[14:20:07] <MadHag> not design
[14:20:12] <Okona> (-:
[14:21:16] <MadHag> no need to design anyway
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[14:21:24] <domutaka> where can i get transcripts of this channel for download ?
[14:21:29] <MadHag> so many out there these days for the picking
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[14:25:38] <domutaka> any possible uses of opensolaris ?
[14:26:46] <MadHag> peace of mind for starters
[14:27:02] <MadHag> no ad or spyware running in the background
[14:27:19] <MadHag> I hope
[14:27:29] <MadHag> secure email
[14:27:44] <MadHag> individuality
[14:27:52] <MadHag> thats a big plus for me
[14:28:43] <domutaka> good. can anyone figure out which irc client i am running
[14:28:57] <asyd> who cares?
[14:29:12] <MadHag> chatzilla
[14:29:20] <MadHag> in sea monkey
[14:29:49] <MadHag> I found a nice irc client called Hydra
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[14:30:04] <domutaka> for which os
[14:30:09] <MadHag> Vista
[14:30:24] <MadHag> in Linux I run xchat or savirc
[14:30:33] <domutaka> MadHag:--> u r on vista ?
[14:30:42] <MadHag> at the moment yes
[14:30:50] * Okona likes KVIrc
[14:31:00] <domutaka> what's ur sys config ?
[14:31:05] <MadHag> would be on opensolaris but for the network card driver
[14:31:18] <Okona> MadHag: notebook?
[14:31:20] <MadHag> will sort it in a day or two
[14:31:26] <MadHag> desktop
[14:31:35] <MadHag> acer m3100
[14:31:45] <Okona> put another network card in for the time being (-:
[14:31:53] <MadHag> its an idea
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[14:32:14] <MadHag> I thought ethernet was simple for nix machines
[14:32:55] <domutaka> MadHag:--> which nic u hav
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[14:33:52] <domutaka> on x86 , comapred to solaris 9 installtion , opensolaris looks a joke.
[14:34:28] <jmcp> domutaka: are you serious?
[14:34:29] <domutaka> even since sunos 5.9 nic have suppported very rarely. maybe some business startegy of sun
[14:34:45] <jmcp> domutaka: your clue factor seems to have plummeted
[14:35:09] <Okona> MadHag: i have a shuttle k45 with some marvell card, but the original drivers panic instantly, and the myk driver panics under load...
[14:35:15] <_dsw> jmcp, morning mate!
[14:35:20] <jmcp> hi _dsw
[14:35:26] <domutaka> jmcp:--> i dont know what you have interpreted
[14:35:30] <_dsw> it's glorious in sunny wimbledon
[14:35:34] <_dsw> and the pub beckons
[14:35:40] <_dsw> i heed the call
[14:36:09] <jmcp> domutaka: you appear to be dissing OpenSolaris in favour of Solaris 9, and making claims about Sun's business ideas which are entirely unjustified by any actualy facts
[14:36:23] <MadHag> I have the drivers, opensource and from the manufacturer, just install is a bit hard for my small brain
[14:36:44] <domutaka> jmcp:--> no i mean opppsite of that
[14:37:06] <domutaka> MadHag:--> me too have a small brain
[14:37:20] <jmcp> domutaka: perhaps you should be more careful in how you express that, so people like me who are quite emotionally invested in Solaris and OpenSolaris, don't take your words the wrong way
[14:37:27] <jmcp> oh, and *please* stop using -->
[14:37:29] <jmcp> it's very annoying
[14:38:22] <domutaka> jmcp :  as you wish
[14:38:43] <MadHag> compliant arnt you :)
[14:39:31] <MadHag> some nicks are funny, look at fluffle there, bless im
[14:40:13] <MadHag> FastJack just reminded me I have to go get a bottle later
[14:40:41] <domutaka> MadHag :  how's my nick
[14:40:55] <MadHag> means nothing to me
[14:41:17] <MadHag> indian?
[14:41:28] <domutaka> yes
[14:41:33] <MadHag> ah
[14:42:05] <MadHag> madhag is a gaming name I use, it just stuck
[14:42:11] <turtle> i want a startagy!
[14:42:26] <MadHag> stratagy even
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[14:42:43] <domutaka> turtle :  this is the strategy
[14:42:46] <MadHag> always best to have one
[14:42:53] <turtle> startaggy!
[14:43:43] <domutaka> push on
[14:44:34] <_dsw> startagy ftw!
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[14:45:05] <_dsw> right, gawn - have a good day all
[14:45:15] <MadHag> bye
[14:45:18] <domutaka> see . i told . push on
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[14:46:04] <Okona> hmm, savirc obviosly only runs on unix-like OSes (see homepage), not on real UNIX OSes (-:
[14:46:22] <domutaka> real ?
[14:46:41] <Okona> domutaka: like Opensolaris
[14:47:01] <_mary_kate_> i don't think opensolaris (unlike solaris 10) is UNIX(r) certified
[14:47:14] <MadHag> only tried it on ubuntu and vista
[14:47:17] <Okona> ok, but Mac OS X is certified (-:
[14:48:00] <domutaka> who gives the certificate of being UNIX(r) certified.
[14:48:13] <jmcp> TOG - The Open Group
[14:48:13] <_mary_kate_> the open group
[14:48:21] <jmcp> after you pay lots of money for the certification effort
[14:48:41] <domutaka> pay ? how much
[14:48:43] <Okona> ok, also does not run on Solaris 10
[14:48:45] <jmcp> dunno
[14:49:05] <jmcp> domutaka: I don't think it's cheap
[14:50:03] <domutaka> i wonder if by paying they give certificate then i can get some unix OSs of my own
[14:50:16] <skullone> woot, zabbix 1.4.1 to 1.6 upgrade went awesom
[14:50:19] <skullone> awesome*
[14:50:31] <turtle> you don't just give them money and get certified
[14:50:36] <turtle> you do actually have to be compliant
[14:50:52] <_mary_kate_> and if you're not compliant, you get "disappeared"
[14:51:03] <turtle> that's right
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[14:51:33] <domutaka> i am not in mood of swapping my $$$$$$$ dollars on open source. so i wont so it either.
[14:51:53] <MadHag> who needs a mac look at my ubuntu setup http://www.welshweb.net/screens/mac_why.png
[14:52:00] <turtle> i'm sorry, i'm having trouble processing your sentence.
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[14:52:06] <ksyl> hello
[14:52:17] <domutaka> that' sthe prob with open source
[14:52:28] <turtle> that doesn't look anything like mac os, it looks like gnome
[14:52:57] <MadHag> thats what it is
[14:53:28] <Okona> the first thing i do on a mac is disable the hideous 3d dock and move it to the right side and align it to the bottom (-:
[14:53:44] <MadHag> with a bit more theming you basically can have a mac on Linux :)
[14:53:58] <domutaka> i would like that background in real time
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[14:54:28] <MadHag> the bg can be had at interfacelift.com
[14:54:35] <ksyl> I want to dump my mbr with opensolaris, someone know which device I must put in dd if=/dev/XX ?
[14:56:45] <turtle> the one with the mbr
[14:57:28] <Okona> ksyl, look at format, which hd's you have
[14:57:32] <domutaka> is there any financial irc network ?
[14:57:41] <ksyl> I ve got a lot of entry in /dev/dsk
[14:58:00] <ksyl> and I don t know which entry is my hard disk
[14:58:05] <th> ksyl: iostat -En might help to identify
[14:58:19] <ksyl> ok
[14:58:24] <ksyl> thanks
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[15:01:16] <evocallaghan> Hi
[15:01:43] <Okona> hi
[15:01:50] <evocallaghan> :)
[15:01:59] <Tonni> can (open)solaris as a nbd (network block device) client?
[15:02:14] <Tonni> i have googled of course, but didn't find a definite answer
[15:02:20] <Tonni> only old mailinglist archives
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[15:07:48] <evocallaghan> Gerrr, opensolaris.org/os is really pissing me off
[15:08:05] <kimc> trying to compile sasl on b98 -since an earlier version of sasl is included with b98 how can i find the details of how it was compiled?
[15:08:53] <kimc> such as the arguments to ./configure
[15:10:15] <evocallaghan> maybe there is a spec file?
[15:11:29] <whoami08> for src/lib/libsasl ?
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[15:12:09] <Yorlik> Anyone here with experience building wine from SFE with jdscbe? I'm stuck at one point here.
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[15:12:44] <whoami08> kimc: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libsasl/
[15:16:00] <kimc> whoami08: thanks muchly
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[15:18:36] <domutaka> i am going forever . should i say bye ?
[15:19:09] <MadHag> ciao
[15:19:16] <Okona> cu domutaka
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[15:23:52] <whoami08> evocallaghan: you've read that they have issues with the global site navigation?
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[15:49:23] <MadHag> anyone want to help with my network card later
[15:49:28] <mircuser> Installed O.S on my desktop computer and it seemed to have issues with my ethernet not loading up the internet ect. just wondering if this a common problem, i couldn't tell you the exact problem because i'm on windows at the moment
[15:49:51] <MadHag> mircuser, I have the same problem
[15:50:00] <mircuser> Intel card ?
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[15:50:05] <whoami08> card supported? dhcp enabled?
[15:50:05] <mircuser> well onboard
[15:50:10] <MadHag> a lot of the nic drivers dont come bundled
[15:50:21] <MadHag> mine is detected
[15:50:27] <MadHag> just need to install
[15:50:31] <mircuser> whoami08 it's my first time using it, so i'm not sure on commands
[15:50:35] <MadHag> going to have a go later
[15:50:35] <mircuser> mines detected too
[15:50:39] <mircuser> it could be dhcp
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[15:50:44] <whoami08> detected as?
[15:50:51] <mircuser> it knows it's intel and there
[15:50:59] <MadHag> but it says driver not installed on mine
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[15:51:38] <mircuser> whoami08 can you give me the dhcp command ?
[15:51:46] <whoami08> MadHag: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
[15:51:47] <mircuser> I'm sure i've had to use it on linux before
[15:52:00] <MadHag> whoami08, thanks, I have the drivers
[15:52:07] <whoami08> mircuser: OpenSolaris 2008.05 should automagically enable dhcp
[15:52:18] <mircuser> whoami08 it hasn't in my case =[
[15:52:22] <MadHag> mircuser, this is not Linux
[15:52:28] <mircuser> i know that.
[15:52:38] <MadHag> different ball game
[15:52:53] <mircuser> hence why i said, my first time using O.S and i'm not familiar with commands.
[15:53:12] <whoami08> mircuser: first make sure your nic is really detected (with ifconfig -a for example)
[15:53:21] <MadHag> dir and not ls :) to see whats in folders, that got me at first
[15:53:34] <MadHag> same as windows oddly enough
[15:53:44] <mircuser> MadHag i'll get used to it =]
[15:53:46] <whoami08> MadHag: *cought* dir is a DOS cmd; ls is UN*X
[15:53:54] <MadHag> thats half the fun
[15:54:16] <whoami08> MadHag: so you have the driver... installed?
[15:54:20] <MadHag> ls dont work in opensolaris
[15:54:24] <mircuser> hah :P
[15:54:25] <MadHag> dir does
[15:54:55] <MadHag> whoami08, now the installation is quite complicated
[15:55:07] <MadHag> no I mean
[15:55:23] <MadHag> I will have another go at installation later
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[15:55:53] <MadHag> I want to use the auto pkgadd method
[15:55:57] <MadHag> looks easiest
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[15:56:38] <whoami08> there are no pkgs from Masayuki, you have to follow the steps in the README
[15:56:53] <MadHag> I got a bit confused where files should be put, the howto was vague at times
[15:57:11] <MadHag> now I will be using the driver from the manufacturer
[15:58:12] <MadHag> the files are compressed so many times as well
[15:58:20] <MadHag> 3 I think
[15:58:36] <mircuser> whoami08, any ideas on how i could conquer my issue of not being able to use the "internet" ?
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[15:59:00] <whoami08> mircuser: as I said, make sure your nic is really detected and supported (ifconfig -a)
[15:59:21] <mircuser> and after thaT ?
[15:59:51] <MadHag> mircuser, also look in the device drivers utility
[15:59:53] <tsoome> i would rather use dladm show-link :)
[16:00:07] <MadHag> see if it says, 'driver not installed'
[16:00:33] <MadHag> if not then obviously you need to get the driver
[16:01:03] <MadHag> that link above is the opensource drivers list, get it from there, if it is there that is
[16:01:21] <mircuser> it detects the intel ethernet
[16:01:25] <mircuser> it knows it's there
[16:01:38] <MadHag> does it say diver not installed to the right
[16:01:45] <MadHag> driver sorry
[16:02:56] <mircuser> there's not alot i could do if it wasnt .. i can't connect to the net
[16:03:16] <MadHag> get it now and put it on a key or something
[16:03:21] <whoami08> can you pastebin ifconfig/dladm?
[16:03:50] <MadHag> he is not in opensolaris
[16:03:59] <smtms> mircuser, how are you supposed to connect to the Internet and why you can't?
[16:04:02] <mircuser> no, i'm currently on winblowz
[16:04:28] <mircuser> basically, it knows my card is there, but the net isn't working
[16:04:54] <smtms> mircuser, what did you do to configure your card for your network and/or internet connection?
[16:06:34] <asyd> is there a way to know how long time remaining for a resynchro with raidctl/
[16:07:44] <mircuser> smtms all i did was install via live cd
[16:08:10] <smtms> mircuser, so you did nothing to configure your system for internet access and you didn't have internet access?
[16:08:33] <mircuser> no... the driver system knows my card is there... open my browser.. nothing.
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[16:09:47] <smtms> mircuser, you did nothing. you received nothing. that's how I see it
[16:10:39] * whoami08 reminds smtms of NWAM...
[16:10:45] <mircuser> No, generally when i install an OS it detects my card .. and works that's the end.
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[16:11:09] <smtms> whoami08, would you expand the acronym?
[16:11:27] <whoami08> NetWorkAutoMagic
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[16:12:13] <whoami08> smtms: never installed indiana/2008.05 or higher?
[16:12:46] <smtms> never
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[16:13:51] <mircuser> I'm using 2008.05
[16:15:27] <whoami08> mircuser: look dude, you can continue telling that opensolaris detected each and everything; or you can give us some hard facts to further "debug" this
[16:17:35] <whoami08> mircuser: btw opensolaris also runs fine from inside virtualbox, no need to reboot
[16:18:14] <mircuser> virtual box isn't the same drivers
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[16:19:24] <whoami08> sure, but it's nice for a first evaluation of a new OS
[16:20:59] <mircuser> mhmmm
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[17:02:13] <oxygene> infoworld.com seems to have issues with solaris - http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_852573C400693880002574CE00371FE1.html is written by an infoworld author, too.
[17:03:29] <turtle> i think everyone has seen it
[17:03:32] <turtle> that's like, so yesterday
[17:04:12] <oxygene> actually, it was published the day before ;)
[17:04:45] <turtle> that's like so the day before yesterday
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[17:05:08] <whoami08> so this FUD now made it into NYT? sad...
[17:05:20] <cmihai> sun stocks down a notch? :P
[17:05:41] <Cyrille> there aren't many notches left to go down.
[17:07:20] <oxygene> "Most Sun engineers I've dealt with actually have a CS/CE background, as opposed to the Linux folks which look like rejects from amateur hour." sometimes, /. is still funny..
[17:07:24] <cmihai> WOW, SESAME STREET is moving Solaris to LINUX
[17:07:36] <cmihai> That MUST mean Solaris is dying or something!
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[17:08:17] <turtle> sesame street is big business dood
[17:08:29] <turtle> if sesame street doesn't take you seriously who will?
[17:08:31] <cmihai> And saving 20k in support (and hiring 20 more loonix goons?). What a crock of shit.
[17:08:53] <turtle> teenagers who used ubuntu over the summer break are cheap hires
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[17:09:42] <calum_> Sun stocks usually just do whatever the NASDAQ is doing, doesn't really matter so much what Sun is actually doing :)
[17:09:54] <cmihai> We're saving millions by replacing our ERP systems with OpenOffice CALC!
[17:09:59] <oxygene> heh
[17:10:20] <oxygene> why is the stock market legal in the USA anyway? after all, it's gambling!
[17:10:40] <MadHag> millions aint enough in todays world
[17:10:53] <MadHag> for the big boys that is
[17:11:19] <turtle> for the same reason that i can't take speed but i can get a prescription for adderall for myself and my 7yr old
[17:11:49] <MadHag> life is a big enough drug for me
[17:12:12] <turtle> you have low standards
[17:12:13] <MadHag> just bought a bottle of bourbon though :)
[17:12:21] <turtle> FLIP FLOP
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[17:12:37] <MadHag> watch my spelling get worse over the next few hours :)
[17:13:08] <turtle> i just want to do bong rips and watch the debate but now i'm all worried it's not going to happen :-(
[17:13:18] <cmihai> I should write an ERC plugin that ignores people based on the number of spelling errors they make. I'll make millions :D
[17:13:29] <MadHag> I prefered the chilum
[17:13:41] <Asako> xchat plugin scripting is easy
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[17:14:13] <cmihai> Who said anything about XChat? Emacs ERC mate, and eLISP ftw :P
[17:15:32] <Asako> how do I install a package?
[17:15:44] <Asako> never mind
[17:15:49] <MadHag> when something becomes 'open' it means offloading
[17:15:56] <MadHag> opensuse
[17:16:02] <MadHag> real icky now
[17:16:17] <oxygene> MadHag: how good that opensolaris isn't really open
[17:16:27] <MadHag> new to it
[17:16:59] <oxygene> yes, the code is available, but having other people read the code doesn't magically make it unstable
[17:17:00] <Asako> open isn't always good
[17:17:05] <MadHag> I sent off for the starter pack but could not use it because it did not want windows on the same drive and I am not a partition expert
[17:17:12] <Asako> I like that Solaris has direction
[17:17:29] <MadHag> came across the new live cd and it installed fine along with vista
[17:17:45] <Asako> and multi-million dollar systems depend on it, so it cannot fail
[17:17:45] <MadHag> whats new,  It used a ext3 partition I had
[17:17:55] <oxygene> solaris has as much direction as sun - over a timespan of more than 6 months, it points at 360 degrees
[17:19:03] <cmihai> Only if you think in 2 dimensions.
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[17:19:51] <MadHag> I think opensolaris needs to concentrate on installation ( duel boot ) video acrds and nic drivers, sort that and a lot of linux users will switch as well as new ones
[17:19:52] <oxygene> in three dimensions, it's a full sphere, yes. no idea what the generalized figure for n dimensions is called
[17:20:01] <MadHag> cards*
[17:20:11] <MadHag> not opened the bourbon yet
[17:20:25] <Asako> install is fine
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[17:20:35] <MadHag> I had a small problem
[17:20:39] <Belgar> bah, stupid autumn
[17:20:49] <Belgar> oops
[17:20:51] <MadHag> I think because I have a install vista small partition
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[17:21:55] <Asako> yay java exceptions
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[17:22:16] <Asako> guess I can't use terminator
[17:22:26] <MadHag> I tried the javadesktop years ago
[17:22:35] <MadHag> suse8 I think it was riding on
[17:22:51] <MadHag> managed to glean star office from it for free :)
[17:23:48] <MadHag> I always thought java desktop was a special DE, its just Gnome I found out :)
[17:23:56] <Belgar> before installing the latest version of Solaris 10 for x86, i tried to download the evaluation/trial version of staroffice 8 from sun.com
[17:24:21] <calum_> MadHag: well, it was GNOME plus a bunch of proprietary stuff... SO + RealPlayer + Flash + Acrobat Reader etc...
[17:24:29] <Belgar> ..unfortunately it keept generating "file not found", so i sent an request using their "feedback", which requested me in return to clear the ie cache
[17:24:38] <oxygene> Belgar: google's software pack contains staroffice 8 for windows, I think
[17:24:43] <MadHag> I had the idea it was something totally Java :)
[17:24:57] <MadHag> looks nice though, I like to be different
[17:25:04] <Belgar> i wanted it for Solaris x86 though
[17:25:07] <MadHag> yet I use vista
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[17:25:20] <Belgar> i got a microsoft office license through my work anyway, so windows is no problem ;)
[17:25:20] <turtle> hell yeah lets do more with less
[17:25:26] <MadHag> only because I have to
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[17:25:44] <MadHag> I like gaming on steam too
[17:26:14] <MadHag> stalker is a great game when you play it first off
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[17:27:09] <MadHag> does bluefish run on OS
[17:27:30] <Asako> windows is still my desktop
[17:27:44] <MadHag> I like to duel boot
[17:27:47] <Asako> until all the games I have run on OS X or solaris that's not changing
[17:27:54] <MadHag> 1 will drive you mad
[17:28:08] <MadHag> savage is good on linux
[17:28:14] <kohju> i can forget MS windows *OS* , recently. :D
[17:28:49] <MadHag> I went without windows for a while and just used suse 9 but I came back
[17:29:21] <Asako> server 2003 is pretty nice
[17:29:28] <MadHag> never tried it
[17:29:30] <Asako> MS server versions have always been better
[17:29:52] <MadHag> win 3.1 my first in 1995
[17:30:00] <kohju> windows? the API of MS Office and Adobe CS API? i have one on VirtualBox. :D
[17:30:16] <MadHag> wife came home with a new car and a pc, honey I'm home, look what I bought
[17:30:35] <Belgar> asako; same here, run solaris in a vmware server though. But installing software in Windows is much easier since it normally dont have a ton of odd dependencies ;)
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[17:30:41] <MadHag> within an hour I was addicted to the pc
[17:31:03] <Asako> bedlam, some stuff does, but they tell you how to install those
[17:31:13] <Asako> I had to install cygwin for terminator
[17:31:20] <Belgar> anyway, got to move on
[17:31:21] <MadHag> bedlam?
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[17:32:21] <MadHag> apt-get is nice in debian
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[17:32:29] <MadHag> sorts all the depends
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[17:33:06] <Asako> run nexenta and you have apt-get for solaris
[17:33:09] <MadHag> does opensolaris have the self healing function?
[17:33:27] <MadHag> saw that, but not vista friendly
[17:33:28] <Asako> I've gotten used to IPS
[17:33:56] <jbk> MadHag: what specifically do you mean by self-healing?
[17:34:05] <sstallion_work> morning all
[17:34:09] <jbk> there is such functionality -- but it depends on the hardware to some degree
[17:34:10] <MadHag> I see it promoted for Solaris proper
[17:34:23] <jbk> yes, all that is there in opensolaris
[17:34:24] <sstallion_work> MadHag: you are talking about SMF
[17:34:25] <sstallion_work> yes
[17:34:31] <MadHag> probably
[17:34:38] <jbk> well more fma, sma compliments it
[17:35:13] <MadHag> quite a good crowd in this irc channel, thats a good sign
[17:35:18] <sstallion_work> hrmm, I thought they always attributed that to smf rather than fault mgmt
[17:35:35] <jbk> but keep in mind, it's going to be limited (for the hardware aspects at least) to what things the hardware supports
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[17:35:59] <MadHag> it just has to work out of the box and OS will do fine, the net access after install is make or break in my opinion
[17:36:12] <jbk> well if you have ECC ram, and it keeps throwing too many correctable errors, it's fma that will blacklist and offline the ram
[17:36:27] <sstallion_work> *nod*
[17:36:37] <jbk> if you have an uncorrectable error, it's fma that will kill the affected processes, smf will then sweep in to automatically restart them
[17:36:53] <sstallion_work> although fma can get really annoying if you are silly and forget to reconfigure after taking out a device and cramming a new one in ;)
[17:37:18] <sstallion_work> (in the same pci slot)
[17:39:11] <TomJ> unless you manage to find ECC ram that silently corrupts all the bits given to it, as I had the other week
[17:39:12] <TomJ> that was fun
[17:39:28] <TomJ> particularly when you dont know the ram is failing and you start uninstalling packages and then wondering why /var/sadm/install/contents is totally corrupt
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[17:41:34] <MadHag> btw if you have a dedicated server you will have a job to beat these people www.leaseweb.com
[17:41:51] <TomJ> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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[17:41:56] <TomJ> Do NOT use them
[17:41:58] <TomJ> fucking cunts
[17:41:59] <TomJ> seriously.
[17:42:00] <MadHag> engineers are cool too, they put 2gb of ram in my box
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[17:42:12] <MadHag> really, no problem yet
[17:42:14] <TomJ> we were close to suing them
[17:42:21] <TomJ> in fact, funny you should mention them
[17:42:22] <MadHag> only my first month though
[17:42:28] <MadHag> haha
[17:42:33] <TomJ> they were the people who gave us the bad ECC ram I just mentioned
[17:42:55] <sstallion_work> jbk: have a few minutes to chat about drivers ?
[17:42:55] <MadHag> lol
[17:43:05] <MadHag> what you do to upset em :)
[17:43:14] <jbk> not right now.. give me a few
[17:43:20] <sstallion_work> jbk: roger
[17:43:23] <MadHag> engineers are great after hours, do loads of stuff for you
[17:43:36] <TomJ> our latest tale of woe was:  we ordered an upgrade from 4gb to 16gb. all agreed, no problem.  it was  day late, but no big deal.  engineer rings me up at the time of isntall, says something I cant really understand about not being able to do the full upgrade.  he installs only 2gb extra ram, to take us to 6gb. I tell him to call me back because I need 16gb, he does not
[17:43:47] <TomJ> then I find he hasnt plugged the LAN network cables in, so although I can get into the DRAC, I cant get into the box
[17:43:50] <TomJ> takes 2 hours for someone to fix that
[17:44:15] <TomJ> then the salesman calls me to tell me that actually despite saying they could do 16gb, they can only find sufficient ram chips to give me an extra 2gb
[17:44:19] <MadHag> it happens sometimes I guess, wow loads of ram heh
[17:44:20] <TomJ> "that server is so old, w dont carry that ram any more"
[17:44:42] <TomJ> which was funny, given that this means they dont have any spare ram for any of my servers, so if one were to fail.. no replacements
[17:44:44] <MadHag> I just have an entry server but its great
[17:44:58] <MadHag> dont use rackmounted.com
[17:45:08] <TomJ> so I boot with my 6gb of ram, and this is when my filesystem starts corrupting because the etra 2gb of ram has those errors I mentioned
[17:45:17] <MadHag> they unplugged mine when I moved a domain and they said it wxas an accident
[17:45:18] <TomJ> so I call them agai nto swap it out, that takes another 4 hours
[17:45:26] <TomJ> then after booting it, I have to repair my now badly damaged file system
[17:45:27] <MadHag> *was
[17:45:35] <TomJ> total box downtime = 20 hours
[17:45:40] <MadHag> bad news
[17:45:57] <MadHag> good price though
[17:45:59] <TomJ> this was also after all our prod servers were inaccessible twice in one month, both times for 4+ hours, because their network went down
[17:46:03] <MadHag> 29 euros a month
[17:46:04] <TomJ> www.softlayer.com
[17:46:09] <TomJ> well, we pay 2000 euros a month
[17:46:13] <TomJ> and still get a service like shit.
[17:46:15] <MadHag> wow
[17:46:29] <TomJ> softlayer.com are absolutely superb, and cheap as hell (much cheaper than leaseweb)
[17:46:50] <MadHag> 159 dollars entry and I pay about 20 and my spec beats it :)
[17:46:51] <TomJ> I get 16 x 2.1ghz Xeon 7300 cores , 32gb ram and 4 SAS disk for about $900/mo
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[17:47:06] <MadHag> I should start reselling
[17:47:10] <Asako> I work for a web host
[17:47:40] <MadHag> TomJ, is that for one site of multiple
[17:47:54] <TomJ> how do you mean?
[17:47:55] <MadHag> or
[17:48:04] <MadHag> the server, for one big site
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[17:48:14] <TomJ> we dont run web sites.. we develop software
[17:48:20] <TomJ> all or QA servers are at softlayer
[17:48:42] <TomJ> actually, that's not completely true, we do have our own ASP solution which is a website.   our ASP is a a two box install, each box 8 cores and 16GB ram
[17:49:01] <TomJ> it has Oracle, multiple Java backend engines and a couple of redundant Java frontends
[17:49:04] <TomJ> using JBoss
[17:49:24] <TomJ> it's a messaging platform, for mobile marketing
[17:49:33] <MadHag> for that money though surely you could do it yourself
[17:49:50] <MadHag> 2k a month
[17:49:54] <Asako> hardware issues happen
[17:50:00] <sstallion_work> MadHag: not quite. Paying for a decent pipe isn't exactly cheap.
[17:50:03] <TomJ> well, we could.. but that'd be capital outlay of tens of thousands of dollars, and then we'd have to support it ourself
[17:50:08] <sstallion_work> and it takes much more than just two boxes to run your own shop.
[17:50:14] <MadHag> 2k a month is nice to play with though
[17:50:17] <MadHag> where you at?
[17:50:19] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: mobile marketing?  you work for a mobile phone spam company? ;)
[17:50:20] <TomJ> with Softlayer we get gigabit bandwidth, 2 hour hardware repairs, 4 hour hardware upgrades,  multiple redundant networks, etc
[17:50:53] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: well, some might call it that :) it's all kosher in the sense that we sell to the mobile operators themselves, who have very strict 'do not disturb' and opt-out rules, regulation, etc
[17:50:54] <Asako> we have all that stuff
[17:51:01] <TomJ> but yes, ultimately the messages you get most people regard as spam :)
[17:51:05] <Asako> 30 minute response SLA too
[17:51:22] <TomJ> MadHag: that was 2k euors with Leaseweb, we spend $10k/mo with softlayer
[17:51:36] <TomJ> we're getting rid of leaseweb ASAP though, they still have an old Prod install on it but it's migrating to SL as soon as we can
[17:51:36] <Asako> you should talk to our sales team, hehe
[17:51:44] <TomJ> Asako: what company?
[17:51:48] <Asako> Liquid Web
[17:52:26] <TomJ> i'll have a look
[17:52:34] <TomJ> not in any hurry to migrate though
[17:52:38] <Asako> yeah
[17:52:44] <Asako> I do migrations
[17:52:53] <Asako> and system restores
[17:53:25] <TomJ> the only issue with softlayer is that they dont provide Solaris, so I get into regular battles with level 1 support because they're used to logging into Linux, FreeBSD, or Windows and doing stuff themselves
[17:53:33] <TomJ> but as soon as I get escalated to L2, they're very knowledgable and helpful
[17:53:43] <Asako> I'm one of the few solaris users here
[17:54:09] <Asako> it would be a self managed setup
[17:54:55] <TomJ> yeh that's all we ever want
[17:54:59] <TomJ> we dont want support
[17:55:03] <Asako> ah
[17:55:07] <MadHag> migrating sounds a nightmare, I had a job transferring my wordpress blog over :)
[17:55:11] <TomJ> we just dont want to fight with them when I tell them "it's a hardware issue" and they say "what's the root password?"
[17:55:17] <Asako> we had to set up open solaris since it's the only free OS that supports iscsi v3
[17:55:30] <TomJ> you're more expensive than SL :)
[17:55:34] <TomJ> at least on list prices
[17:55:37] <Asako> yup
[17:55:52] <MadHag> 10k a month is silly money :)
[17:55:58] <TomJ> I'm currently getting a 16 core, 32gb box for nearly what your configurator is quoting for 8 core, 16gb
[17:56:03] <TomJ> admittedly that was 25% off SL list
[17:56:07] <Asako> talk to Zane, he's our sales leader
[17:56:34] <TomJ> anyway, I have no reason to migrate, I'm very happy with SL.  and since we started spending 'silly money' as MadHag puts it, they're bending over backwards to give us stuff
[17:56:40] <Asako> sweet
[17:56:44] <MadHag> I bet
[17:56:46] <Asako> we don't compete on price, it's the service
[17:57:33] <TomJ> MadHag: for that we get 11 servers, something like 100 x 2+ghz cores between them, about 90GB of ram and a few TB of disk
[17:57:47] <MadHag> I remember about 10 years ago I made a killing :
[17:57:52] <TomJ> the only thing that's currently annoying me is they cant give me a single hardware firewall to cover them all, they want $100/mo per box for that
[17:58:03] <Asako> weird
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[17:58:10] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: you can't install your own gateway?
[17:58:11] <Asako> cisco ASA 5500 has 8 ports
[17:58:12] <MadHag> guy put a add in yellowpages but miss eneterd the url for the site
[17:58:16] <Asako> but it requires licensing
[17:58:23] <MadHag> so the url was dead
[17:58:35] <TomJ> it's just how they're setup, it's all integrated into their management console, so you would configure your firewall rules on a per-box basis in a single admin interface, rather than getting an actual cisco pix or whatever
[17:58:46] <TomJ> they're very commodity driven, but it keeps the prices down and is rarely a problem, so I dont mind
[17:59:01] <MadHag> I bought the dead url for 10 pounds redirected to his site and charge him 300 quid :), took about 30 minutes
[17:59:15] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: no, cant install any of your own gear.  I mean, if you said "I want this special NIC" they'd likely do it, but it's not a standard thing. they have racks and racks of standard servers and they just dish them out
[17:59:18] <sstallion_work> hrmm interesting. hg supports keyword expansion now
[17:59:21] <TomJ> that does mean you can get a new server in 2-4 hours :)
[17:59:39] <ShadowHntr> ROFL MadHag
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[17:59:50] <MadHag> mine took 24, they can doing faster if they pulled their fingers out
[18:00:07] <Asako> I still think mini-itx running openbsd would work
[18:00:10] <TomJ> leaseweb dont pull their finger out, it's firmly planted in their nether regions
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[18:00:17] <Asako> put pfsense on it
[18:00:23] <TomJ> but if you're getting a dedicated server for 30 euros a month then i gues you cant complain
[18:00:35] <Asako> that's what, $50?
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[18:01:37] <MadHag> 29 is great, unbeatable I think
[18:01:54] <MadHag> dual processor, 2gb ram
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[18:01:59] <MadHag> 160gb hd
[18:02:05] <MadHag> enough for me
[18:02:30] <MadHag> debian etch though, would like ubuntu
[18:02:44] <Asako> stuck with centos
[18:02:45] <MadHag> will have to butter up the engineer tonight
[18:02:59] <Asako> if cpanel worked on solaris it would be nice
[18:03:03] <MadHag> I had a choice of etch centos or freebsd
[18:03:12] <MadHag> I use directadmin
[18:03:17] <MadHag> basic but works
[18:03:22] <TomJ> er why not solaris?
[18:03:27] <MadHag> exactly
[18:03:35] <TomJ> just install it yourself
[18:03:39] <TomJ> they should burn a disk for you
[18:03:55] <MadHag> I have been looking at remote install, looks trick but I have some scripts
[18:03:56] <Asako> we'll install anything you want
[18:04:13] <Asako> customer is always right, even when they're wrong
[18:04:39] <TomJ> SoftLayer use a IPMI ILO which can mount any ISO over the network, so either from their NAS or from an existing server if you have more than one
[18:05:05] <Asako> neat
[18:05:40] <TomJ> only downside is that if you only have one server, you have to pay $20/mo to get a NAS to which you can upload your ISO.  they give every server a free 1GB NAS but it's not big enough for a DVD
[18:05:55] <TomJ> but they'll pro-rata the charge if you only want the NAS for 2 days or whatever
[18:06:24] <Asako> hmm
[18:08:21] <TomJ> MadHag: you should have a web-based remote console through which you get KVM, and then you can just install as if sitting at the box
[18:08:30] <TomJ> unless the 29e boxes dont have that
[18:08:48] <MadHag> comes raw
[18:09:18] <MadHag> 5 euro a month for directadmin although I installed openpanel at first but that has a way to go
[18:09:50] <MadHag> TomJ, I need to find out that
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[18:10:04] <Asako> ever try ASM?
[18:10:14] <TomJ> Asako: Oracle ASM?
[18:10:19] <Asako> could hack the code to work on solaris
[18:10:23] <MadHag> nope, came across syscp the other day as well
[18:10:27] <Asako> account services manager, it's a free control panel
[18:10:33] <Asako> all written in perl
[18:10:35] <TomJ> MadHag: how are you getting dual core and 2GB ram for 29 euros?  leaseweb entry servers say 512mb and AMD Sempron for 29 euros
[18:10:45] <MadHag> http://www.syscp.org/
[18:10:56] <MadHag> its amazing how you find things out later
[18:11:15] <MadHag> TomJ, engineers have been kind
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[18:11:41] <Asako> hmm, that looks neat
[18:11:42] <MadHag> I reckong they do it to give a good impression
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[18:12:04] <MadHag> 1.6mhz dual intell
[18:12:11] <MadHag> must be the equiv
[18:12:28] <TomJ> So did you get this email?  "as you might or might not have noticed, there were some network issues at Leaseweb on Wednesday, September 24. Unfortunately, this affected our phone system as well, so for a period of time you could not reach our support."  :)
[18:12:43] <TomJ> that's just what you need during a major network outage..
[18:12:48] <Asako> I'm really, really tired of javascript image viewers
[18:12:49] <MadHag> yep, went down the other day too for a few hours
[18:12:59] <Asako> just link to the god damn jpg file
[18:13:16] <MadHag> thing is with their prices they are being inundated with customers
[18:13:36] <MadHag> www.noc.leaseweb.com
[18:13:41] <Asako> MadHag, that looks a lot like ASM
[18:13:46] <Asako> just reskinned
[18:13:53] <sickness> hetzner is inundated with customers but rock solid :)))
[18:14:08] <MadHag> europe is quite a cool place as well, fast fibre network being installed everywhere
[18:14:19] <Asako> yeah, that would be nice
[18:14:36] <MadHag> I used bluehost shared, brillaint
[18:14:41] <MadHag> for clients
[18:14:58] <MadHag> unlimited bandwidth and domains now
[18:15:15] <MadHag> 6 dollars a month :)
[18:15:32] * MadHag googles asm
[18:16:03] <Asako> http://www.acctmgr.com/
[18:16:07] <Asako> hasn't been updated in a while
[18:16:18] <Asako> but, it's pretty much "done"
[18:16:50] <Asako> I started going through the code to make it xhtml compliant
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[18:17:26] <Asako> at this point I don't host anybody, so my control panel is vim+ssh
[18:17:50] <MadHag> www.openpanel.org is cool
[18:18:29] <MadHag> and dont forget webmin
[18:18:51] <MadHag> my ssh skills are growing but slowly
[18:18:56] <MadHag> besides I like a gui
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[18:25:14] <MadHag> any admin panels for opensolaris?
[18:25:24] <MadHag> webmin I guess
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[18:25:47] <seanmcg> theres the panels project
[18:26:01] <MadHag> is there a url?
[18:26:07] <seanmcg> and yup, webmin is bundled
[18:26:20] <MadHag> good old webmin and usermin
[18:26:24] <whoami08> mh maybe solaris management console?
[18:26:37] <whoami08> though I've never used smc...
[18:26:55] <_mary_kate_> from what i understand of these 'web control panels', they're not really like smc or what vpanels seems to be
[18:26:56] <seanmcg>   http://opensolaris.org/os/project/vpanels/
[18:27:05] <_mary_kate_> (i've never actually used one, though)
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[18:30:02] <MadHag> www.openpanel.org is using python mostly, does opensolaris like python?
[18:30:41] <MadHag> opensolaris would not be a server anyway would it?
[18:31:13] <seanmcg> python is being used more and more in opensolaris, the xvm bits use it, pkg uses it etc.
[18:31:50] <seanmcg> go to joyent.com - they use opensolaris, well the SXCE distro.
[18:31:58] <MadHag> I reckon the guys at openpanel would warm to an ivite to make openpanel work on opensolaris
[18:32:05] <MadHag> *invite
[18:32:11] <MadHag> bourbon kicking in
[18:32:42] <MadHag> friendly lot they are there too
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[18:33:14] <MadHag> I will go chat, they are on freenode #openpanel
[18:33:59] <MadHag> oh
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[18:34:41] <MadHag> oftc I mean
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[18:40:21] <TomJ> Sun sell OpenSolaris support now
[18:40:41] <_mary_kate_> is it useful support or like the old SX support?
[18:40:50] <TomJ> no idea
[18:40:56] <TomJ> costs twice as much as Solaris 10 support apparently
[18:41:11] <TomJ> but it's on the same terms, so I suppose it's meant to be useful
[18:41:23] <MadHag> lets never forget that everyone is in it for the money somewhere
[18:42:10] <MadHag> hard to believe it was the Sun guy who wrote a cheque for 180k to two nerds who had a great search engine idea :)
[18:42:35] <MadHag> and only because they pestered him
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[18:43:16] <_mary_kate_> you know zfs needs?  a better way to select disks in a pool without typing out every one
[18:44:15] <TomJ> I suppose, but it doesnt happen that often
[18:44:16] <MadHag> geez openpanel irc is quiet
[18:44:46] <seanmcg> zfs takes one command to create a pool, its about 5 or so with svm, and still folks want more :)
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[18:45:05] <jbk> sstallion_work: ok back
[18:45:07] <_mary_kate_> with svm it'd take long enough to justify writing a script ;)
[18:45:11] <sstallion_work> jbk: hey
[18:45:13] <seanmcg> MadHag, he wasn't working in Sun at the time
[18:45:34] <sstallion_work> adding in packaging to emanc. I'm tempted to just create a pkgdefs dir in the toplevel similar to ON... any qualms?
[18:45:41] <sstallion_work> the other options is having a pkgdefs dir in each driver
[18:45:47] <sstallion_work> s/options/option/
[18:45:55] <jbk> naah.. that's fine
[18:46:00] <sstallion_work> also
[18:46:04] <sstallion_work> what do you want to do about man pages ?
[18:46:09] <sstallion_work> we'll need those for eventual integration
[18:47:44] <MadHag> there's little to no dependency on linux in the software... the man said
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[18:49:22] <_mary_kate_> if i zfs send fs@a, then i change the fs on the receiving end, then i send fs@b from the original fs... what happens?
[18:49:35] <_mary_kate_> does zfs just not allow that to happen, or will it create a new fs@b on the target ignoring the local changes?
[18:49:45] <_mary_kate_> (for an incremental send, that is)
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[18:51:03] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: try it?
[18:51:15] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: i am, just wait for the 25GB fs@a to copy ;)
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[18:51:25] <TomJ> you could make a new one :)
[18:51:42] <_mary_kate_> well i want to do other tests with incremental sends on this one, so i might as well use it
[18:53:33] <_mary_kate_> i was pleased to see that snapshot+send -i every 30 seconds made no discernable difference to filebench
[18:54:17] <Aria> I'd hope not. A few pointer updates, and reading the blocks at network speed.
[18:54:40] <_mary_kate_> ever used fssnap? ;)
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[18:55:10] <Aria> No, definitely not.
[18:55:31] <MadHag> sun must feel quite secure with Google doing as well as it is
[18:56:24] <TomJ> MadHag: why?
[18:56:50] <MadHag> because they help Google get off the ground
[18:57:35] <_mary_kate_> and... google is going to bail them out if they go bankrupt?  somehow i don't think so
[18:57:44] <MadHag> its who you know that matters in this world as well as what you know
[18:57:56] <MadHag> buy them out maybe
[18:58:45] <MadHag> nice extension for Google
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[18:59:09] <Aria> Indeed.
[18:59:16] <Aria> .oO(GOOG + JAVA = ... wow.)
[18:59:16] <_mary_kate_> i'm not sure why a company that builds its entire infrastructure on 1U whitebox x86 systems would buy a hardware vendor whose core market is big-iron SPARC hardware
[18:59:22] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: cannot receive: destination has been modified since most recent snapshot
[18:59:22] <MadHag> conspiracy stuff here :)
[18:59:28] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: aha
[18:59:31] <Aria> Java.
[18:59:35] <Aria> That's why.
[18:59:35] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: that's good, at least it won't randomly delete my data ;)
[18:59:44] <_mary_kate_> Aria: they're going to rewrite all their python infrastructure in java?
[19:00:19] <Aria> Nah. But they've a lot of Java too.
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[19:04:32] <MadHag> Sun is Google food
[19:04:44] <MadHag> that will go down in history :)
[19:05:39] <MadHag> geez this bourbon is good, I knew America had a use :)
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[19:06:15] <MadHag> everyone buy Sun shares :), will make you a fortune
[19:06:21] <Asako> $8 isn't bad
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[19:06:33] <MadHag> is that what it is
[19:06:40] <Asako> 7.96 last I checked
[19:06:46] <MadHag> not into money myself
[19:06:52] <_mary_kate_> uh... okay
[19:06:53] <Asako> should've shorted it last year
[19:06:58] <_mary_kate_> the solaris 10 zfs(1m) doesn't match up with its actual feature set
[19:07:01] <MadHag> I live like a king as it is
[19:07:04] <_mary_kate_> (specifically, zfs send -R doesn't exist)
[19:07:20] <Asako> file a bug report?
[19:07:39] <_mary_kate_> well i doubt they're going to backport it just because i ask ;)
[19:07:48] <_mary_kate_> (dont really care about the manpage, i just wanted the feature)
[19:07:50] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: not since you applied the latest man page patch, no
[19:07:57] <MadHag> will need a #opensolaris-chat channel here soon
[19:08:07] <TomJ> they released the OpenSolaris manpages into it, presumably by mistake
[19:08:27] <MadHag> can I mod it please :)
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[19:08:50] <_mary_kate_> hmm, no -I either.. that would've made this much easier
[19:09:02] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: and no root/boot support, despite what the man claims :)
[19:09:06] <_mary_kate_> heh
[19:09:09] <_mary_kate_> U6!
[19:09:43] <_mary_kate_> maybe that'll have more zfs stuff too
[19:09:57] <_mary_kate_> (i wonder if they accidentally released the manpage patch with U6 manpages?  that'd be nice ;)
[19:10:12] <TomJ> yeah could be
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[19:10:21] <TomJ> that's more plausible than releasing osol/sxce man pages I guess
[19:13:52] <Asako> how come I get plugin warnings every time I open rhythmbox?
[19:16:36] <Asako> Magnatune, Jamendo, and cover art failed to load
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[19:31:20] <MadHag> does anyone run boinc here and if so, why is the rosetta project down?
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[19:44:23] <_mary_kate_> okay, this is strange
[19:44:34] <_mary_kate_> as soon as i 'ls' the filesystem on the destination side, i get: cannot receive: destination has been modified since most recent snapshot
[19:44:40] <_mary_kate_> what's been modified?  atime?
[19:44:59] <turtle> usually
[19:45:32] <turtle> zfs set atime=off
[19:45:34] <turtle> for the win
[19:45:49] <_mary_kate_> is it possible to recv into a read-only filesystem?  i'd rather avoid people having it break by accident
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[19:46:23] <turtle> don't know
[19:50:47] <_mary_kate_> ah, receive -F
[19:58:05] <whoami08> hm can I access the inet from within a zone, /etc/defaultrouter doesn't work :(
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[20:01:48] <Aria> Yes, but networking for zones is administered from outside the zone.
[20:01:54] <Aria> (unless you're using crossbow, I think)
[20:02:14] <whoami08> no crossbow, this is on sol10
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[20:06:21] <whoami08> Aria: ok how can I teach my zone to use a gateway/router/whatever to access the inet?
[20:06:38] <whoami08> Aria: nevermind
[20:06:39] <turtle> you could use a reward system with cookies
[20:06:40] <Aria> zonecfg or zoneadm, I think.
[20:06:42] <Aria> Been a bit.
[20:06:57] <turtle> that's how i got my kitty to learn to play fetch!
[20:07:00] <whoami08> Aria: man zonecfg -> /defaultrouter
[20:07:16] <whoami08> s/default/def/
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[20:08:57] <Aria> Right.
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[20:18:19] <whoami08> hm... It still doesn't work :(
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[20:19:47] <whoami08> zonecfg:zone1:net > set defrouter=b.c.d.e -> syntax error at '='
[20:20:33] <whoami08> I'm also not seeing defrouter when doing $ zonecfg -z zone1 info net
[20:21:23] <whoami08> it should list "defrouter not specified" or smth like that
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[20:34:15] <whoami08> no ideas? just tried set ip-type=shared but it still won't accept defrouter
[20:36:41] <holcomb> that doesn't exist in solaris 10.
[20:36:52] <whoami08> it's in the manpage
[20:36:57] <holcomb> nuh-uh!
[20:37:05] <holcomb> Pattern not found  (press RETURN)
[20:38:44] <whoami08> so there's no way to "phone out" of a zone on solaris10? :(
[20:38:57] <ondre> phone out?
[20:39:08] <_mary_kate_> whoami08: the zone uses the same router as the global
[20:39:15] <_mary_kate_> (unless it's an exclusive ip zone)
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[20:52:48] <Yorlik> When I try to start a vncserver i get an errormessage "no xauth " on your path.. I never consciously used any xauth stuff. Can anyone give me a hint ?
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[20:53:51] <holcomb> /usr/X/bin/xauth
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[20:54:24] <Yorlik> thanks !
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[21:12:03] <Asako> dang, I can't find those postgresql benchmarks
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[21:26:15] <coffman_> evening
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[21:30:20] <whoami08> hm 3GB for a zone; isn't that a bit... heavy?
[21:30:51] <coffman_> whoami08: uhm
[21:31:03] <coffman_> whoami08: sparse or full zone?
[21:31:12] <whoami08> whatever is the default
[21:31:44] <coffman_> whoami08: solaris 10, sxce or 2xxx.xx?
[21:31:52] <whoami08> solaris10
[21:31:59] <coffman_> sparse should be the default
[21:32:07] <whoami08> I thought so, too
[21:32:08] <coffman_> try du -sh /opt
[21:32:28] <whoami08> 1.6G   /opt
[21:32:49] <coffman_> and var?
[21:33:19] <whoami08> 3.2G   /var
[21:33:42] <coffman_> on the global zone?
[21:34:09] <whoami08> yes; and you wanted the numbers from inside the zone?
[21:34:20] <coffman_> yep
[21:34:29] <coffman_> but the others help to :P
[21:34:42] <whoami08> 1.3G for /opt; 1.4G for /var
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[21:35:03] <coffman_> default sparse does not loop mount opt
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[21:36:05] <coffman_> those numbers add up good, opt is copied from the default zone, var is uniq per zone and a normal sparse zone takes around 150mb - 300 mb
[21:36:22] <whoami08> ok, that would be 3G (current space used by zone) - 1.3G (if lofi mounting /opt), still quite large IMHO
[21:36:53] <coffman_> well, dont know where the 1.4G in var come from
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[21:38:08] <coffman_> i try to install my solaris with a clean opt and add that packages afterwards with pkgadd -G
[21:38:30] <coffman_> in the global...
[21:39:12] <whoami08> seems like /var is full of patchadd backups...
[21:39:43] <_mary_kate_> it does that.  sun really needs to steal the 'cleanup' program from hp-ux
[21:40:01] <coffman_> havent used solaris 10 for a while now *sigh*
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[21:40:15] * coffman_ would love to have a solaris job
[21:40:23] <Asako> I still haven't found a use for zones
[21:40:32] <coffman_> Asako: what?
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[21:40:46] <Asako> maybe I'll set up a dev environment
[21:40:49] <corpsicle> anyone heard of any dealbreaking problems when running opensolaris guest in virtualbox ?
[21:41:07] <coffman_> corpsicle: dealbreaking?
[21:41:13] <e^ipi> NFS doesn't work good *shrug*
[21:41:18] <whoami08> Asako: good idea; IIRC there was a hacked configure script a few years ago that did same nasty things; no problem inside a zone...
[21:41:23] <e^ipi> was a dealbreaker for me
[21:41:25] <whoami08> some
[21:41:40] <corpsicle> coffman : as in "it doesnt work in virtualbox"
[21:41:45] <coffman_> ah
[21:41:49] <e^ipi> ( i wanted the host to export an NFS directory to the guest, no dice )
[21:42:11] <corpsicle> e^ipi: ah, not an issue for me as long as shared directories work ( do they ? )
[21:42:27] <coffman_> e^ipi: that should be a gone problem with crossbow vnics right?
[21:43:01] <coffman_> Asako: i good some zones for building software, sometimes with different versions of sun studio
[21:43:46] <e^ipi> corpsicle: as far as i'm concerned, NFS is the only "shared directory" that exists
[21:43:52] <coffman_> and i have a zones with a webserver and a database, different versions of php
[21:43:54] <e^ipi> i don't have windows, so i don't use CIFS/SMB
[21:44:19] <coffman_> e^ipi: you could use cifs...
[21:44:26] <e^ipi> no, i couldn't
[21:44:38] <coffman_> why not?
[21:44:43] <bigjohnto> anyone having problems with spamhaus?
[21:44:44] <e^ipi> cifs is case-insensitive and doesn't understand UNIX permissions
[21:44:52] <coffman_> Asako: and thats on my laptop
[21:44:55] <Asako> coffman, yeah, I get the concept
[21:44:57] <bigjohnto> for some reason their site is just either really slow or down...
[21:45:05] <Asako> I've used linux-vserver, virtuozzo, xen, etc.
[21:45:39] <Asako> I like xen but it does make updates a little harder
[21:45:40] <bigjohnto> nvr mind
[21:46:09] <e^ipi> coffman_: my idea was "hey, let's have solaris in virtualbox on my mac, so that I can build chunks of ON wherever I am"
[21:46:13] <bigjohnto> honestly i am getting a ton of frigin spam and these ip's are not blacklisted.... such uselessness hoenstly
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[21:46:55] <e^ipi> coffman_: and have the source avail. when vbox isn't running
[21:47:10] <e^ipi> coffman_: so, NFS or nothing ... i ended up going with Fusion
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[21:48:41] <iamben> im finishing up an "update all" on a fresh install, is it normal that it takes many many hours to complete the "creating packages index" stage?
[21:49:45] <ninjaslim> how can i set the hostname permanently, i used the hostname utility last time but it didn' save for the next sartup
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[21:51:09] <ShadowHntr> ninjaslim: i think enter the name into /etc/hosts does the trick.
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[21:52:31] <wonko2> I've *got* to get the nexsan DATABeast stuff in here
[21:55:07] <coffman_> e^ipi: oh, i thought you where talking of vbox under solaris
[21:56:32] <e^ipi> either way the problem remains that CIFS squashes permissions and case
[21:56:42] <coffman_> yeah
[21:57:00] <e^ipi> and vbox doesn't work with NFS
[21:57:16] <coffman_> i wonder whats the problem there
[21:57:24] <_mary_kate_> has anyone seen this behaviour in 'zfs recv', where it spends all its time reading as fast as possible, and very little time writing to disk?  (when recving an incremental send)
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[22:01:45] <ninjaslim> ShadowHntr: what's the syntax for it
[22:01:47] <e^ipi> coffman_: it has to do with the way port forwarding works as far as i can tell
[22:01:58] <e^ipi> id est, it filters out the ports required
[22:02:03] <ShadowHntr> um
[22:02:07] <corpsicle> e^ipi: um, i chose "host network" in virrtualbox, and now i get a 0.0.0.0 address ... and wth is "network auto-magic" ?
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[22:03:23] <asarch> Hey, NetBeans is no longer in SXCE b98
[22:03:38] <asarch> Why?
[22:03:48] <e^ipi> nwam is the network auto-connect thing
[22:04:04] <asarch> man nwam
[22:04:12] <asarch> About how to enable it
[22:04:23] <ShadowHntr> ninjaslim: man hosts
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[22:08:58] <evocallaghan> asarch:pfexec svcadm enable nwam
[22:09:20] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: yo
[22:09:25] <e^ipi> what up?
[22:09:31] <sstallion_work> debating documentation
[22:09:35] <sstallion_work> how do you want to handle that ?
[22:09:42] <e^ipi> it was hard to write, it should be hard to read?
[22:10:02] <sstallion_work> normally ON bits don't include man pages, however were in an odd spot since docs are needed for integration
[22:10:11] <sstallion_work> so we'll need to provide man pages in the driver packages
[22:10:19] <sstallion_work> or a higher level doco consolidation
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[22:10:51] <sstallion_work> personally, i prefer having them in each driver individually, but thats against the grain of other bits
[22:11:10] <evocallaghan> I don't find clear docs anywhere that tell you how to get from a ON checkin to a bootable miniroot ?
[22:11:16] <sstallion_work> i.e. if i'm not using cge, why the hell would I have a man page for it ?
[22:12:32] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: nightly the whole kit & caboodle
[22:12:42] <e^ipi> then BFU
[22:14:31] <e^ipi> ON is unfortunatly a non-trivial piece of software
[22:14:34] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I mean, I want to make the most basic possible bootable livecd
[22:14:46] <turtle> KITTENS AND POODLES
[22:14:54] <evocallaghan> I know you create a file and format it with UFS
[22:15:14] <asarch> Is it available for SXCE x86 wine?
[22:15:18] <asarch> ...and qemu?
[22:15:33] <e^ipi> asarch: yes, there are packages on google
[22:16:46] <evocallaghan> asarch:SPEC files
[22:16:58] <evocallaghan> asarch:Try vbox as well though
[22:17:35] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:create an empty file, use lofiadm then newfs then mount then use star -copy
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[22:17:59] <evocallaghan> Something like that any way.. I am missing something I am sure
[22:18:06] <evocallaghan> and I can't find the docs
[22:18:11] <e^ipi> probably
[22:18:14] <e^ipi> there aren't docs
[22:18:32] <e^ipi> it's an operation that requires knowledge of how solaris works to get right
[22:18:58] <e^ipi> best bet, check with the Belenix people
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[22:20:26] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: any opinion ?
[22:21:07] <e^ipi> with respect to documentation?
[22:21:24] <sstallion_work> yup
[22:21:36] <e^ipi> I dunno, I'd probably distribute each man page with each driver
[22:21:49] <e^ipi> or alternately, don't worry about it beyond an "INSTALL" quickie
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[22:23:29] <sstallion_work> well, i'm thinking of integration requirements
[22:23:44] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: how can i set the hostname on SXCE?  i tried editing /etc/hosts but that didn't work
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[22:24:50] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: google://change+solaris+hostname
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[22:25:20] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: i've looked for links and edited the files that have come up, i even used the hostname utility thinking it might be permanent but nothing has worked which is why i came here
[22:25:36] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: i know for a fact it's one of the first couple links on gogle
[22:25:39] <e^ipi> *google
[22:26:24] <e^ipi> there's a couple files to edit
[22:26:27] <e^ipi> see google for details
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[22:27:41] <whoami08> ninjaslim: what's your current hostname? did you get this via dhcp?
[22:27:48] <ninjaslim> unknown
[22:27:53] <ninjaslim> that's the hostname and i do use dhcp
[22:27:55] <whoami08> sounds like dhcp
[22:27:57] <niner> suggestions on where I need to go to RTFM for nwam issues?      I just rebooted a fresh install of 2008.05 build 98 (from the genunix iso), and it's not picking up an ip address this time.
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[22:53:39] <Yorlik> 0I think I need a little help on the netstat command. I tried "netstat -av -f inet" to see my ipv4 connections. They appear, but now I want to know which programs are bound to the connections - the listeners .. how do i get these ? rtfm didn't halp me here.
[22:55:21] <turtle> Yorlik: this may help http://www.unix.ms/pcp/
[22:55:47] <turtle> not as nice as sockstat on fbsd or lsof but it gets the job done
[22:55:55] <Yorlik> Thanks !
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[23:04:41] <Tilt> i once had a thunmbdrive i added to a zfs pool in order to keep swap on it.... since then i have reinstalled the machine. my problem is now, whenever i pulg the thumbdrive into a solaris box it thinks it still part of a pool and throws an error like "unable to mount (pool)"
[23:05:33] <Tilt> how would i make the thumbdrive forget it was ever part of a zfs pool
[23:06:00] <Tilt> the thumbdrive still mounts, and i have access to the data on it, and i have tried formatting it in windows
[23:06:46] <Tilt> do i have to dd zeros to the whole device in order to clear it...
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[23:07:49] <e^ipi> well, you could mount it and destroy it
[23:07:51] <ThomasHC> hello
[23:08:22] <ThomasHC> anyone know anything about b43 wireless in Open Solaris?
[23:08:52] <ThomasHC> Experianced linux user here looking to see if my hardware will work under Solaris :D
[23:09:20] <e^ipi> there's a hardware detection tool
[23:09:34] <ThomasHC> orly? thats cool
[23:09:40] <e^ipi> yeah
[23:09:46] <e^ipi> i don't know where it is
[23:10:01] <ThomasHC> I know the b43 driver is built into linux, just needs firmware, is it like that in Solaris?
[23:10:16] <ThomasHC> I may try to tinker with it and try myself
[23:10:29] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp
[23:11:07] <Asako> open solaris has a live cd too
[23:11:23] <ThomasHC> yep
[23:11:26] <e^ipi> which also includes the detection tool
[23:11:34] <e^ipi> not that one mind you ,but a different one
[23:11:35] <ThomasHC> funny thing
[23:11:47] <ThomasHC> Open Solaris only worked under VIrtualbox
[23:12:00] <ThomasHC> when I made it say I was using Debian Linux lol
[23:12:26] <e^ipi> virtualbox is quite young on the one hand, and only very recently Sun property on the other
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[23:12:36] <ThomasHC> yep
[23:12:50] <ThomasHC> just a funny thing :D
[23:12:58] <e^ipi> people (not you, i'm talking in general) seem to expect that the moment Sun buys it, it immediately works with everything they make
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[23:15:27] <perlinpinpin> Solaris or OpenSolaris ?
[23:15:31] <ThomasHC> Ya, They've probably only had time to rebrand it and do some small work
[23:15:42] <ThomasHC> perlinpinpin: Open Solaris
[23:15:57] <perlinpinpin> ok, l will take Solaris
[23:15:59] <ThomasHC> I'm a decent programmer, they definetly havent had a lot of time
[23:15:59] <perlinpinpin> :-D
[23:16:01] <e^ipi> perlinpinpin: production, or play?
[23:16:14] <perlinpinpin> hummmm
[23:16:18] <perlinpinpin> play with Solaris ?
[23:16:20] <perlinpinpin> O_O
[23:16:27] <e^ipi> yes, as in "personal workstation"
[23:16:43] <e^ipi> or "tiny home fileserver you don't care much about", etc
[23:16:57] <perlinpinpin> Webmethods + JOnAS + Oracle
[23:17:19] <e^ipi> basically, does it cost a lot of money if it goes down
[23:17:21] <perlinpinpin> With a very low load
[23:17:30] <perlinpinpin> no
[23:17:42] <perlinpinpin> it's 4 fun
[23:17:50] <e^ipi> okay, then opensolaris of some form
[23:18:05] <e^ipi> though you might end up with troubles with oracle, it's picky
[23:18:19] <Asako> OpenSolaris and Nexenta Core are both nice
[23:18:47] <Asako> I like nexenta since there's no gnome
[23:18:49] <perlinpinpin> there is troubleshooting with Oracle ?
[23:18:55] <e^ipi> ( why jonas ? why not glassfish ? )
[23:18:59] <perlinpinpin> Xcfe addict ;)
[23:19:24] <e^ipi> I usually use SXCE
[23:19:30] <Asako> I haven't noticed much difference between gnome and xfce, really
[23:19:43] <perlinpinpin> JOnAS is also open source ;)
[23:19:44] <Asako> just took me about a week to adjust
[23:19:51] <e^ipi> perlinpinpin: so's glassfish, what's your point?
[23:20:04] <Asako> so is tomcat
[23:20:10] <Asako> and jboss
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[23:20:39] <e^ipi> tomcat is a different domain, it's not a full JEE server
[23:20:55] <perlinpinpin> JOnAS is a full JEE server
[23:21:04] <_setuid_H> damn 802.1x forces me to use linux :-(
[23:21:08] <e^ipi> i'm aware of that
[23:21:19] <coffman_> hm
[23:21:28] <coffman_> i tought vlc was in SFE
[23:21:55] <_setuid_H> Does anybody know is xsupplicant works under solaris?
[23:22:07] <e^ipi> perlinpinpin: isn't jonas only J2EE 1.4 though?
[23:22:16] <perlinpinpin> Which is the more efficient? JOnAS or Glassfish ?
[23:22:16] <e^ipi> not JavaEE5
[23:22:22] <perlinpinpin> so the smallest load
[23:22:24] <e^ipi> probably glassfish3-alphas
[23:22:31] <e^ipi> ymmv, try it
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[23:24:04] <perlinpinpin> hummmmmmmm
[23:24:08] <perlinpinpin> yeah only J2EE 1.4
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[23:26:19] <perlinpinpin> any java developpement will works on glassfish as well than JOnAS ?
[23:26:46] <perlinpinpin> I DL glassfish3
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[23:39:00] <Tilt> any suggestions on how to get high ascii chars to draw correctly in gnome-terminal ?
[23:39:20] <Tilt> they all show up as circles with question marks in them
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[23:40:10] <corpsicle> hmm
[23:40:18] <corpsicle> i still get 0.0.0.0 as an address
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[23:41:03] <Tilt> try restarting nwamd
[23:41:21] <corpsicle> ive rebooted several times
[23:41:25] <corpsicle> its in virtualbox
[23:41:37] <Tilt> if i don't shut the computer off... instead i just let it restart... i have to restart nwamd to have it pick up an ip
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[23:41:38] <corpsicle> and im using "host interface"
[23:41:50] <corpsicle> really ?
[23:42:13] <Tilt> use nat, and restart nwamd... see if that works, that's how i used it in a vb
[23:42:45] <corpsicle> ill try nat
[23:43:03] <Tilt> yah... i'm trying to track down the problem, then i'm gunna post the bug.... i don't think it's a hardware problem... but i wanna make sure before bothering devs
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[23:45:20] <Tilt> so nobody has any suggestions on how to get high ansi chars in gnome-terminal
[23:45:45] <Tilt> in good old xterm i just used the bright.pcf
[23:45:49] <corpsicle> well
[23:45:50] <corpsicle> nat works
[23:46:00] <corpsicle> i guess that will have to do for now =P
[23:46:00] <corpsicle> thanks tilt
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[23:46:10] <Tilt> np corpsicle  :)
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[23:46:24] <Aria> Tilt: High ANSI as in "dos codepage"?
[23:46:30] <Tilt> i never got host working unless i set the host adapter to a static ip
[23:46:44] <Tilt> Aria: like the line chars
[23:46:54] <Tilt> areound decimal 240
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[23:46:57] <Tilt> around
[23:47:08] <Aria> That's something in the DOS codepages. Those aren't in most unix character sets.
[23:47:25] <Tilt> like stick chars in my irc clients....
[23:47:27] <Aria> UTF-8 terminals can do it, setting LANG=en_US.UTF-8 works for me in linux; haven't tried on Solaris yet.
[23:47:35] <Tilt> instead of question marks in bubbles
[23:47:43] <Aria> Yeah, gotta use the right character set.
[23:47:53] <Aria> But those character sets are a DOS thing, and imported into Unicode.
[23:48:00] <Aria> But unix character sets don't have box drawing that I know of.
[23:48:06] <Aria> (ISO8859-1 doesn't, that's for sure)
[23:48:34] <Tilt> i know sometime in gnome-terminal on other systems it's worked, and other machines it doesn't.... i decided to try and track down how it's set, that makes it work right :)
[23:48:53] <Tilt> i'll try using utf8
[23:49:22] <_mary_kate_> unix does box drawing using the alternate character set
[23:49:28] <_mary_kate_> it's a VT100 thing, most terminals support it
[23:49:39] <_mary_kate_> it's unrelated to the character encoding being used on the terminal
[23:49:55] <Tilt> i know some fonts have the chars, some dont, i just need a font that has those chars
[23:50:32] <Tilt> gnome-terminal does fonts differently than i'm used to
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