[00:00:02] <jbk> 'well here's what is needed to do that' 'well it's not supported, and the requirement is ALL of SXCE' 'well can we do something to keep track of changes in requirements' 'not my problem'
[00:00:51] <jbk> does anyone else see where this might discourage interest? or is it just me?
[00:01:08] <sstallion_work> it does, and its honestly why I don't use Indiana
[00:01:22] <sstallion_work> (other than a few of its more annoying features I dislike)
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[00:02:37] <jbk> oh well.. stuff for another day
[00:02:39] <jbk> time to go home
[00:02:51] <jbk> and so far traffic looks ok :)
[00:03:06] <jbk> i love how my exit is right where it goes from 'green' to 'red' on the congestion map :)
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[00:04:30] <sstallion_work> take care jbk :)
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[00:06:21] <SYS64738> hi
[00:06:28] <e^ipi> what up
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[00:08:28] <SYS64738> ronf
[00:09:22] <SYS64738> why when I boot in xVM i don't see any bridge device ?
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[00:16:56] <coffman> can somebody tell me why pkg:/slim_install at 0 dot 1,5.11-0.98:20080916T185655Z depends on pkg:/SUNWgnome-themes at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.98:20080916T173827Z
[00:17:01] <coffman> who the fuck?
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[00:18:17] <coffman> or is slim_install the package for the installer gui?
[00:19:21] <e^ipi> yeah
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[00:31:40] <alanc> coffman: slim_install is the cluster of packages installed from the LiveCD, so it should have lots of gnome stuff
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[00:39:48] <coffman> alanc: but sliminstall depends on the content of the package, not the content on sliminstall?
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[00:41:06] <alanc> the way package clusters/groups are identified in IPS is a psuedo-package like slim_install that lists dependencies on all the group members, so that is just another way of saying slim_install (aka the LiveCD) includes SUNWgnome-themes
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[00:47:37] <SYS64738> where can I find info about create the correct xml file from the old style cfg file ?
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[00:49:31] <e^ipi> SYS64738: that makes very little sense.
[00:49:53] <SYS64738> I would like to see my guests in the gui
[00:50:16] <e^ipi> still not making any sense
[00:50:20] <SYS64738> and I don't know how to make the guest automatically start
[00:50:32] <SYS64738> there isn't the /etc/xen/auto dir
[00:50:57] <davismj> is opensolaris technically solaris express?
[00:51:15] <e^ipi> no
[00:51:23] <e^ipi> solaris express is technically solaris express
[00:51:38] <davismj> orly?
[00:51:54] <davismj> you must be the geniuses!
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[00:55:03] <coffman> davismj: sxce and opensolaris 2xxx.xx have both there roots in onv
[00:55:31] <e^ipi> there's stuff in opensolaris that's not in SXCE
[00:55:38] <e^ipi> there's stuff in SXCE that's not in opensolaris
[00:55:45] <e^ipi> the intersection is also nonempty
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[01:04:43] <e^ipi> what's that?
[01:04:46] <jbk> evening
[01:04:55] <coffman> "for i in `pkg list|grep SUNWgnome|cut -f1 -d" "`;do pfexec pkg uninstall $i;done"
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[01:07:27] <e^ipi> i knew there was a term for it but i didn't know what it was... "exclusive disjunction"
[01:08:02] <e^ipi> or symmetric difference
[01:09:16] <coffman> hm?
[01:09:51] <e^ipi> for the phrase "the symmetric difference of SXCE and OpenSolaris is nonempty"
[01:10:41] <e^ipi> (A \cap B^C ) \cup (B \cap A^C)
[01:11:17] <coffman> we clearly need something like a server core option
[01:11:25] <purserj> /w/win 11
[01:11:27] <purserj> sigh
[01:13:08] <coffman> while i normaly dont have a problem with having gnome around on a server, im doing a vserver atm and disk space is a problem :(
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[01:21:32] <Aria> Yeah. I'm with you on that.
[01:21:43] <Aria> I'd really love a two-layer thing, "Core OS" and "Desktop"
[01:22:43] <seanmcg> with the distro constructor, one could have a core-only distro.  Right ?
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[01:28:40] <coffman> well im not going to put any eforts into 2xxx.xx
[01:28:47] <davismj> yay!
[01:29:03] <Aria> Aw. I just installed and then removed the gnome stuff.
[01:29:05] <coffman> i would love to se onv cleaned up
[01:29:13] <coffman> davismj: ?
[01:29:25] <coffman> *se/see
[01:29:37] <davismj> lol i just thought it was a funny first message to see when entering the opensolaris chat
[01:29:48] <davismj> "i'm not going to put any efforts into 2xxx.xx"
[01:29:56] <e^ipi> umm... okay
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[01:30:52] <davismj> is there an easy method of figuring out if you need to update your libraries/software in osol?
[01:30:56] <davismj> or sxce
[01:31:16] <coffman> davismj: sxce is easy
[01:31:33] <davismj> oh ya...?
[01:31:48] <seanmcg> liveupgrade every two weeks for sxce
[01:31:49] <coffman> davismj: just look on you calendar and count if it is two weeks ago that you did live upgrade
[01:31:52] <coffman> o0
[01:33:00] <seanmcg> pkg image-update for 2008.xx
[01:33:11] <e^ipi> heh
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[01:33:47] <davismj> thanks
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[01:34:05] <coffman> live upgrade is realy annoying
[01:34:15] <coffman> it does not clean up after a failure
[01:34:27] <coffman> leaves folders and filesystems around
[01:34:34] <coffman> that lil bitch
[01:34:36] <coffman> gar
[01:35:08] <Aria> Agreed. I rather prefer image-update.
[01:35:41] <coffman> im not going to say something on that
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[01:40:08] <coffman> i need that features in solaris 10 in the future
[01:40:31] <coffman> or better right now :P
[01:40:46] <coffman> sol image-update is not an option
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[02:27:01] <piwi> TomJ: if you had no luck with transmission, a friend of mine suggested rtorrent (http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/). (o)sol binary here  (http://whacked.net/2008/05/08/updated-rtorrent-libtorrent-packages-for-solaris/), cli only.
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[02:33:24] <yoursdai> hi,everyone,Does anybody know what I should do to control tty to do nothing?
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[03:49:02] <cchapman> anyone an expert on how zfs/iscsi?
[03:49:09] <cchapman> WORKS
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[03:52:01] <Surfer_08> Hi to everybody!
[03:52:31] <Surfer_08> How could i install OpenSolaris in an External HD?
[03:53:23] <Surfer_08> I have installed here, but i'm having a kernel panic problem
[03:54:14] <cchapman> thats because its intilizes usb during boot
[03:54:45] <Surfer_08> Could i fix it?
[03:55:02] <cchapman> i dunno for sure, never tried it
[03:55:19] <cchapman> i am just using same experience I have had with windows and linux
[03:55:31] <cchapman> they both die on boot because of this
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[03:55:54] <Surfer_08> oh, man...
[03:55:56] <cchapman> you can get around it in linux by creating an initrd file that has the drivers in it
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[03:56:37] <cchapman> not saying its impossible but i am not knowledge enough with how solaris does it stuff to know
[03:56:59] <Surfer_08> thanks for your help, buddy!
[03:57:05] <Surfer_08> i'll keep trying!
[03:57:22] <cchapman> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/how_to_load_opensol
[03:57:24] <cchapman> try that
[03:57:32] <cchapman> explains on how to put on a lfash drive
[03:57:37] <cchapman> err flash
[03:57:47] <cchapman> same concept as usb drive
[03:58:05] <Surfer_08> thank you, man!
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[03:59:26] <cchapman> i hope that helps bro
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[04:24:38] <gnut> hi all
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[05:39:29] <loconut> hello. I have a machine which had a ZFS pool on an external D1000 SCSI vault. I removed the vault (no longer needing the space/power), but now get errors on bootup that the array is gone. How do I tell ZFS it's not there? zfs destroy mypool gives an IO error.
[05:40:50] <seanmcg> did you do a zpool export before detaching the D1000 ?
[05:42:01] <loconut> no. i did a shutdown and removed the vault.
[05:42:13] <loconut> i thought zfs was supposed to be a bit more automagic.
[05:42:16] <loconut> oops?
[05:44:28] <loconut> is there a way to delete the zfs database/registry/whathaveyou?
[05:45:13] <seanmcg> can you reattach the array to do a zpool detach ?
[05:45:20] <seanmcg> s/detach/export/
[05:45:37] <loconut> the disks have been cannibalized already unfortunately..
[05:45:47] <loconut> part of the reason i took it away
[05:45:52] <loconut> hm
[05:45:57] <seanmcg> or if you've no other zpools or zfs then possibly rm /etc/zfs/zpool.cache
[05:46:08] <loconut> nope, no zfs anywhere
[05:46:18] <loconut> i actually just did that a few minutes ago, but haven't rebooted yet
[05:46:45] <seanmcg> zpool export <zpool> is the way to tell solaris that you don't want the pool attached to the system anymore
[05:46:46] <loconut> should that take care of it expecting it?
[05:47:04] <loconut> export sounds kind of like dumping to a file
[05:47:06] <seanmcg> the rm ?  Ya, should do, a reboot is needed though.
[05:47:11] <loconut> rightto
[05:47:13] <loconut> hm.
[05:47:18] <loconut> thanks for your help
[05:47:23] <loconut> ill do it right next time around
[05:47:24] <seanmcg> no guarentees though :)
[05:49:24] <seanmcg> have fun :0
[05:49:34] <loconut> that's alright. I can deal with the errors, but I like not having scary warnings when I don't have those disks anymore :)
[05:50:24] <loconut> I've got a big honkin 420R with 4 cpus and I had that D1000 array full of 10k disks- drawing too much juice. moving to a sun fire v120.
[05:50:52] <e^ipi> loconut: really? if you had a production machine whose disks magically disappeared one day, you wouldn't want to know about it?
[05:51:00] <e^ipi> i know I would
[05:51:34] <loconut> e^ipi: hehe yes i would. but i thought i'd removed all the zpools, and then found when I hadn't i couldn't make it be quiet :)
[05:51:50] <seanmcg> no you wouldn't.  since they went magically, they'd be replaced by the pot'o'gold under the rainbox
[05:52:04] <seanmcg> (tis about5am, gotta sleep :)
[05:52:28] <loconut> thanks for the tips.
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[05:53:19] <loconut> its almost maintenance hour here (1a), then I get to take the box offline and figure out why it's griping when I move the disk to the V120. Disks are same controller/target number, but it seems to be complaining about the net which is also hme0.
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[05:55:11] <seanmcg> the D1000s were a picky array.  the A1000s even more so with their required raid software
[05:55:35] <seanmcg> later
[05:55:40] <loconut> sean, i've actually had little trouble with it aside from the high power requirements
[05:55:46] <loconut> it was in service about 4 years.
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[06:35:29] <shu> Hi, I got some problem in solaris, hope find some help here, so, sorry post here;  I got errors while I use pkgchk with some package(like: pkgchk SUNWasu), then lots of ERROR, file cksum or some messages like expected size or actual size shown, can someone tell me is this some serious problems I should notice?
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[06:42:34] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone happen to know if the files at http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ (labelled nevada 99) are built with Sun Studio 12
[06:42:35] <bug_L> hi guys
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[06:45:19] <McBofh> h3sp4wn: I don't think the JDS mob have moved to SS12 yet
[06:45:28] <McBofh> they generally follow ON's lead in that regard
[06:46:21] <bug_L> i m starting in the solaris, the iso 200805 by 685 mb is only live ?
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[06:46:36] <jbk> hey McBofh
[06:46:37] <h3sp4wn> McBofh: Thanks
[06:47:58] <McBofh> hi jbk
[06:48:00] <McBofh> hi one-n-all
[06:48:23] <McBofh> h3sp4wn: ON only moved to SS12 as of about 4 hours ago, btw
[06:50:26] * jbk is waiting until you need mysql, openoffice, and glassfish installed to compile ON :)
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[06:52:31] <shu> hi, is it a problerm that use "pkgchk <package name>" got lots of "ERROR" meaasge? thank
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[06:54:09] <jmcp> shu: yes, in general. What admin operations were done to the system before you ran the pkgchk?
[06:55:50] <shu> jmcp: I've done nothing, just happen use "pkgchk" without any following argument, then lots of ERRORs shown.
[06:57:04] <shu> only thing I've done is to apply recommended patch for my solaris 10.
[06:57:26] <jmcp> then the "admin operation" before running pkgchk was "I applied patches"
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[06:57:56] <jmcp> so ... you mention Solaris 10 recommended patches. Do you actually have Solaris 10 installed, or do you have some other version of Solaris?
[06:58:21] <shu> will, it is solaris 10.
[06:58:36] <shu> I believe I didn't mess it up.
[06:58:49] <jmcp> belief is great, but *facts* count
[06:59:03] <jmcp> have you logged a call with Sun support about your problem?
[06:59:10] <shu> bash-3.00# cat /etc/release
[06:59:10] <shu>                        Solaris 10 8/07 s10s_u4wos_12b SPARC
[06:59:10] <shu>            Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.
[06:59:10] <shu>                         Use is subject to license terms.
[06:59:10] <shu>                             Assembled 16 August 2007
[06:59:25] <jmcp> despite having "solaris" in the name, this channel *isn't* for free Solaris support
[06:59:36] <shu> jmcp: no, I'm new to solaris...
[06:59:43] <jmcp> then go and log a call with Sun
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[07:00:16] <shu> yes, I knew, I have said sorry before... I'm just trying to find some help...
[07:00:28] <jmcp> and I'm telling you, the place to get help is from Sun Support. Which is not here.
[07:01:33] <shu> jmcp: I'll do that.
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[07:18:38] <coffman> wtf?
[07:19:38] <coffman> ill detach a zone, do a live upgrade, do a ludelete and then the detached zones get removed?
[07:19:44] <coffman> wtf?
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[07:41:56] <gerard13> your zones become unusable after luupgrade if you detach them
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[07:54:02] <coffman> gerard13: that wasnt a question
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[07:54:30] <coffman> the filesystems of the detached zones got deleted by ludelete
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[09:25:10] <likaijun> hi when opensolairs starts it shows a information"SunOS Release 5.11 Version snv_85 64-bit" .Can you tell me which package implement the funcion? Thanks.
[09:29:04] <lkthomas> "function" ?
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[09:35:55] <_mary_kate_> likaijun: your question is very unclear.
[09:39:02] <_mary_kate_> here is the code that prints this message: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/os/logsubr.c#249
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[09:54:13] <lkthomas> guys, does JSP program structure need to rewrite if we want to move from tomcat to glassfish ?
[09:54:20] <victori_> no
[09:54:29] <_mary_kate_> no, JSP is a standard
[09:54:32] <_mary_kate_> it's the same everywhere
[09:54:37] <victori_> if your not using j2ee don't both with glassfish 2.x
[09:54:51] <lkthomas> don't both ? huh ?
[09:55:09] <victori_> don't bother
[09:55:18] <victori_> waste of resources
[09:55:21] <lkthomas> I heard glassfish run faster, right ?
[09:55:29] <victori_> both support NIO
[09:55:35] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:55:48] <victori_> you should be offloading static file serving to a light weight async httpd anyway
[09:56:08] <lkthomas> did sun made anything in between j2ee and jsp ?
[09:56:28] <victori_> furthermore, nginx for example buffers responses and requests so hits to application server are minimal
[09:56:48] <lkthomas> well, you are talking about reverse proxy then :)
[09:57:03] <victori_> yes, proxy in front of application servers makes sense
[09:57:09] <lkthomas> :)
[09:57:10] <e^ipi> why don't you try both, and find out what works best?
[09:57:10] <victori_> why waste precious heap on slow clients
[09:57:25] <lkthomas> e^ipi, going to test it in our lab, haha
[09:57:28] <victori_> jetty++
[09:57:29] <_mary_kate_> likaijun: please don't /msg me
[09:57:34] <_mary_kate_> likaijun: i already showed you the file where it's printed
[09:57:56] <victori_> lkthomas: fyi jetty does grizzly backend
[09:58:01] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:58:57] <victori_> and it has its own queue thread handler, not sure how that performs against grizzly. Jetty is the forefront of async/NIO tech
[09:59:07] <victori_> is on the*
[09:59:31] <lkthomas> I just try to avoid tomcat, because our JSP page sometime stop resonse and have to restart tomcat
[10:00:06] <victori_> lkthomas: possibly memory leak your application
[10:00:11] <_mary_kate_> does anyone here use an X4500 with serial via LOM?  how do you make grub appear on the serial console?  (i already have 'terminal serial'..)
[10:00:33] <lkthomas> victori_, well, I am not sure if it is the cause, hmm
[10:01:01] <victori_> lkthomas: we use jetty here,  500k requests a day, no problem. I do have two jetty instances load balancing the site, and kill off any of the JVMs that has a high RSS size, let smf restart it
[10:02:16] <victori_> works for us, nginx+jetty combo works for us
[10:02:18] <victori_> err
[10:02:23] <victori_> its late and I need sleep ;-)
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[10:37:37] <DTEIT> hi all
[10:37:53] <DTEIT> i'm having trouble to make a live upgrade
[10:38:00] <DTEIT> everytime i get this errors
[10:38:02] <DTEIT> http://rafb.net/p/ExYSVO79.html
[10:42:02] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: did you verify that your zone paths don't have those modes?
[10:45:14] <DTEIT> ehm...which modes?
[10:45:21] <DTEIT> sorry i'm just a beginner
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[10:52:10] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: see lines 56-59
[10:52:44] <_mary_kate_> someone else had issues with zones when upgrading to snv_98, but it was a bit different from this
[11:04:23] <DTEIT> _mary_kate_: i have that dir but actually has nothing inside
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[11:33:49] <DTEIT> as far as i read it's better to stop zones when you make a live upgrade
[11:34:02] <DTEIT> is that true?
[11:34:55] <anilg> ? ?which library would i need for on_exit() undefined reference
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[11:39:05] <mikl> hmm, how can I set up my root pool to be mirrored after installing OSOL 2008.05?
[11:39:20] <DTEIT> you can attach a disk
[11:39:29] <DTEIT> there's a howto somewhere
[11:39:52] <DTEIT> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[11:39:56] <mikl> well, I don't have physical access
[11:40:21] <DTEIT> ssh neither?
[11:40:27] <whoami08> anilg: libc :)
[11:40:30] <mikl> oh, yes of course
[11:40:32] <_mary_kate_> why would you need physical access?
[11:40:42] <mikl> I thought you meant attach another physical disk
[11:40:53] <_mary_kate_> no, attach the new disk to the mirror.  it's a zfs thing
[11:41:04] <_mary_kate_> (you need another disk installed already, obviously)
[11:41:12] <mikl> well, yeah, I have one
[11:41:35] <DTEIT> mikl: read that post
[11:41:44] <anilg> whoami08: adding an -lc didnt help
[11:41:46] <mikl> DTEIT: I am, thank you :)
[11:42:03] <anilg> cc -g -Wall -O2  -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  mdetect.c mice.c   -o mdetect -lc
[11:42:49] <mikl> ah, wonderful, that seems to have worked :)
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[11:43:17] <mikl> now it's resilvering
[11:43:25] <DTEIT> mikl: i did it too...and it worked flawlessly
[11:43:36] <mikl> ZFS is officially amazing
[11:43:48] <mikl> resilver complete
[11:43:51] <mikl> in like 2 minutes
[11:44:12] <mikl> I remember running md on linux. This is so much better
[11:44:56] <DTEIT> yes...i agree....i just have to resolve my issue and then i can think to put in production a couple of servers
[11:45:06] <_mary_kate_> mikl: you added a slice (c#t#d#s0), not a disk (c#t#d#), right?
[11:45:18] <mikl> _mary_kate_: um, no
[11:45:25] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: ... you're going to put SXCE on a production system?
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[11:45:36] <_mary_kate_> mikl: now that half of the mirror is not bootable, so it's not much use
[11:45:41] <mikl> ooh
[11:45:45] <whoami08> anilg: and you know what the compiler/linker flags are doing?
[11:45:48] <mikl> how do I create the slice then?
[11:45:58] <_mary_kate_> mikl: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html seems reasonable
[11:46:08] <DTEIT> _mary_kate_: yes...i know it's not the best
[11:46:14] <DTEIT> but actually i need xVM
[11:46:21] <anilg> no.. but they're from the Makefile
[11:46:39] <_mary_kate_> mikl: since ZFS already wrote an EFI label, you'll have to use 'format' to replace that with an smi label
[11:46:41] <DTEIT> and i wanted both machines have the same system...so i can migrate some xvm istance from one machine to the other
[11:46:57] <anilg> I seem them usually scroll by without issues ; ?-Wall -O2   are harmless
[11:47:04] <anilg> s/seem/see/
[11:47:55] <whoami08> anilg: hm... try including unistd.h
[11:47:56] <mikl> _mary_kate_: ah, now I got it right. Thank you
[11:48:44] <_mary_kate_> (the problem here is that 'whole disk' ZFS write EFI disk labels, and you can't boot from those)
[11:49:24] <DTEIT> that's why you have to add slices?
[11:49:25] <anilg> already included... the error is an undefined reference .. by the linker
[11:49:50] <mikl> _mary_kate_: well, I have no idea what the difference between labels are, but I trust that you know what you're talking about :)
[11:50:58] <_mary_kate_> mikl: EFI is a replacement for the PC BIOS developed by Intel.  it defines a new partition scheme (to replace PC 'fdisk' partitions) called GPT.  (usually referred to as 'EFI partitions')
[11:51:20] <_mary_kate_> mikl: ZFS uses this new partition scheme, which works fine everywhere except booting - you need an fdisk partition table to boot
[11:51:57] <whoami08> will that change in the future?
[11:52:24] <sickness> well, an EFI mobo should be able to boot from an EFI disk ;P
[11:52:24] <oxygene> on EFI machines, you can boot from EFI disklabels
[11:52:46] <sickness> isn't this what apple already does? after all?
[11:52:47] <oxygene> and in theory there's a legacy-aware EFI variant, too (with a boot block)
[11:52:50] <norman> but there aren't many efi x86 boards
[11:52:52] <oxygene> crapple does EFI, yes
[11:53:21] <sickness> lolz
[11:54:15] <whoami08> I mean ppl come in here after reading all this great stuff about zfs, ease of use etc, and we have to tell them that they can't just use a zpool create [...] to use their disks but have to slice/partition them first; use expert only mode format to enable disk cache...
[11:59:40] <whoami08> does any sparc machine support efi?
[12:00:19] <sickness> whoami08: it's not that bad, with 2008.05 and milax and so on you just install using all the default options and what you get on reboot is a zfs root/boot system wich boots fine from "legacy" pc bios
[12:01:34] <sickness> whoami08: if people wants to learn the hard way, they'll also learn that legacy bios has some (actually a lot of) limitations, that's life :P
[12:01:44] <oxygene> whoami08: sparc is openfirmware. it should be rather trivial to teach that about EFI disklabels
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[12:09:54] <Aspin65100> tried the live cd, not bad, almost got vista chainloader correct as well.  Once opensolaris start to bundle network drivers with the installation I might start using it
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[12:12:41] <e^ipi> well, that was random
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[12:20:28] <whoami08> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/24/39NF-linux-killing-solaris_1.html ; sounds like the linux guys moved from *bsd is dying to solaris is dying :)
[12:20:57] <purserj> as a linux user can I just say said nob does not talk for all or most likely the majority
[12:21:51] <oxygene> whoami08: "linux foundation" really means "IBM"
[12:22:30] <oxygene> it's part of that billion-dollar-for-linux thing that IBM announced years ago, and now they have to waste that money on some linux related marketing
[12:23:11] <DTEIT> they could waste money on me instead :-)
[12:24:47] <oxygene> DTEIT: well, ask them if they'd hire you.. something along the lines of "I just can't be as stupid as that other guy you're having on payroll" might work ;)
[12:25:03] <DTEIT> lol
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[12:53:44] <im_alone> more popular is the OS, more live will be it
[12:54:05] <im_alone> The order of the popularity is 1. Windows 2. Linux 3. FreeBSD
[12:54:57] <McBofh> im_alone: nah, you're wrong - *everybody* knows that FreeBSD is dying
[12:55:09] * McBofh wonders how long he can keep trolling with a straight face.....
[12:55:10] <McBofh> :-)
[12:55:11] <McBofh> not long!
[12:55:44] <hile_> LOL
[12:55:48] <im_alone> can you explain me what means dying?
[12:56:23] <McBofh> becoming less popular, having less software developed for it  or being ported to it, not being actively developed and/or maintained
[12:56:27] <oxygene> hmm.. I'd push mac os somewhere in there as item # 1.5 or so...
[12:56:50] <McBofh> im_alone: a few years back there were a bunch of people who'd post to slashdot comments that "BSD IS DYING" ....
[12:57:05] <Gekz> BSD wont die.
[12:57:08] <Gekz> it'll just stagnate.
[12:57:10] <McBofh> oxygene: you're just going for shiny things :)
[12:57:12] <Gekz> there's a difference.
[12:57:16] <Gekz> Hurd isn't dead.
[12:57:17] <im_alone> McBofh, there are much soft ported to BSD
[12:57:17] <Gekz> ...
[12:57:23] <McBofh> im_alone: I know
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[12:57:28] <McBofh> I was being facetious
[12:57:33] <palowoda> We need to find out who's house is in forclouser to what OS they use.
[12:57:55] * McBofh rotfl
[12:58:15] <McBofh> palowoda: that would be a funny thing to see in the newspapers
[12:58:16] <im_alone> tomorrow, i will migrate from linux to fbsd
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[12:58:28] <oxygene> McBofh: personally, I'd put osx somewhere at the second to last place, or so.. but I'm no good indicator for popularity contests
[12:58:36] <McBofh> me neither
[12:59:02] <im_alone> and i will stay in fbsd forever
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[12:59:10] <Gekz> I'd say that it's Windows, MacOS X then Linux
[12:59:19] <Gekz> with a massive Other %
[12:59:33] <oxygene> hmm.. yasm's elf generator fails in interesting ways on my solaris system
[13:00:00] <smtms> oxygene, it fails to generate an object file or the generated file is bad?
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[13:02:44] <oxygene> smtms: the generated file is bad
[13:03:30] <oxygene> tried various versions. yasm 0.6.2, 0.7.1, r2121. built both with sunpro and gcc..
[13:04:18] <Yorlik_extern> I'm trying to build wine with jdscbe. I always get an error about gnu make not being there, but it is in the path at /usr/gnu/bin. I also executed the sfe environment script. Any clue what it could be ?
[13:05:41] <oxygene> that's weird, as virtualbox's source tree contains a binary that produces working elf files.. let's see if they have patches
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[13:07:45] <palowoda> oxygene: VB has incremental releases, i.e last being 2.0.2.  Where would patches come from?
[13:09:40] <oxygene> palowoda: patches against the yasm source used to compile that binary in the virtualbox repo
[13:10:33] <palowoda> Huh didn't know that yasm was that dependent on a virtual environment.
[13:11:09] <oxygene> no, the virtual environment is dependent on yasm
[13:11:17] <oxygene> at least at build time
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[13:34:21] <Jake> m a starter in open solaries.. soe do i go abt it?
[13:34:51] <smtms> Jake, by learning how to spell the name
[13:34:53] <Jake> any one der?
[13:35:08] <Jake> funny
[13:35:17] <Jake> how*
[13:35:18] <seanmcg> and words
[13:35:40] <Jake> wat else?
[13:36:08] <seanmcg>  http://opensolaris.org/downloads to help start you off
[13:36:35] <evocallaghan> I can't read half of that
[13:37:00] <Jake> nyother alternative?
[13:37:10] <oxygene> Jake: buy a slightly more complete keyboard
[13:37:20] <Stric> is your keyboard broken or your spelling?
[13:37:36] <evocallaghan> Ha, really I can't read what your saying
[13:39:02] <Jake> its pretty visible i guess
[13:39:02] <seanmcg> Theres a rather interesting article by Samuel Clemens, he wrote a response to those folks who wish to simplify the spelling of english words.
[13:39:22] <seanmcg>   http://design.caltech.edu/erik/Misc/Twain_english.html
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[13:54:59] <evocallaghan> seanmcg:Haha, I get mixed up on the second line
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[15:13:18] <asarch> One stupid question: Which one, "OpenSolaris 2008.05" or "Solaris Express Community Edition"?
[15:16:07] <holcomb> sxce if you're familiar with solaris already
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[15:20:45] <_mary_kate_> asarch: SXCE if you want a relatively stable OS with a strong history (Solaris) which works the same way Solaris worked in the past
[15:21:04] <_mary_kate_> asarch: 2008.05 if you want to test the new experimental packaging system, and don't need the non-free software that's in SXCE but not in 2008.05
[15:21:13] <_mary_kate_> (2008.05 only includes 'freely redistributable' software)
[15:21:46] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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[15:22:27] <asarch> I though SXCE was a "dead project" because 2008.05
[15:22:32] <_mary_kate_> no
[15:22:42] <_mary_kate_> SXDE is dead, but SXDE was always pretty stupid to start with, so i approve of that
[15:22:42] <asarch> YES!!!
[15:23:03] <_mary_kate_> eventually either SXCE or 2008.05 will die, because Sun has to choose which will become Solaris 11
[15:23:10] <_mary_kate_> but that hasn't happened yet
[15:24:23] <seanmcg> I wants build 100 now...  fastreboot, virtual console (some of it), timf's timemachine, powertop, newer nwam bits, all compiled with ss12,
[15:24:40] <_mary_kate_> what's fast reboot?
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[15:24:51] <asarch> Thank you again _mary_kate_ :-)
[15:25:00] <turtle> what's powertop?
[15:25:01] <seanmcg> imagine rebooting and not going trough the bios
[15:25:11] <seanmcg> powertop.org
[15:25:18] <xRaich[o]2x> uuuuuh sounds nice.
[15:25:22] <_mary_kate_> seanmcg: ah, like linux's kexec
[15:25:23] <Stric> _mary_kate_: replacing the current kernel with a new one.. kernelexec(/new/kernel) more or less.
[15:25:35] <turtle> yeah that doesn't exist
[15:25:36] <xRaich[o]2x> kernel hotswapping? O_O
[15:25:39] <turtle> but i googled it
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[15:25:48] <TomJ> what is timemachine?
[15:25:55] <seanmcg> powertop helps show whats eating power on a box.
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[15:26:00] <Stric> xRaich[o]2x: processes will go away, but you don't have to wait for hardware selftests etc
[15:26:18] <xRaich[o]2x> still nice
[15:26:23] <Stric> TomJ: Apple's "snapshot every now and then, also provide a nice gui for restore"
[15:26:23] <seanmcg> time's snapshot manager (timemachine) kinda like apple's timemachine
[15:26:40] <TomJ> nice
[15:26:56] * xRaich[o]2x is still waiting for 105 with zfs-crypto
[15:27:07] <turtle> yeah
[15:28:02] <xRaich[o]2x> it's pretty amazing how sun is beating the community to death with new features :P i'm always amazed how fast solaris is evolving
[15:28:15] <Okona> zfs crypto... yummm
[15:28:46] <xRaich[o]2x> Okona: excatly ^^
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[15:36:41] <TomJ> Solaris evolution is crazy, completely unprecedented I believe.  To think, after Solaris 10 brought zones, dtrace, SMF, x64 and more in its first release, and then released as 'minor upgrades' GRUB, ZFS, LDOMs, Linux branded zones, Trusted Extensions..   all of those would probably come in one major update each for any other OS
[15:37:43] <holcomb> zfs root plus easier zone movement is teh awesome.
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[15:38:16] * jmcp casts a vote in favour of much better multipathing support (including for SAS)
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[15:38:33] <jmcp> (a little birdy told me somebody was raving about new features...)
[15:38:41] <TomJ> hehe
[15:38:42] <TomJ> always.
[15:38:50] <holcomb> better?
[15:39:09] <Okona> now what i'd like for Solaris 10 would be an updated Desktop
[15:39:15] <Okona> (-:
[15:39:35] <TomJ> what I'd like for Solaris 10 is to drop the pretense of desktop and spend all that development effort on cool servery stuff
[15:39:36] <oxygene> there are many modern desktops for solaris 10 - unfortunately, it only ships with gnome
[15:39:38] <TomJ> :)
[15:39:46] <McBofh> oxygene: an old gnome
[15:39:49] <Okona> TomJ: what about rayserver?
[15:40:02] <TomJ> that's true, SSGD is pretty awesome
[15:40:04] <Cyrille> you mean Sun Ray?
[15:40:15] <oxygene> McBofh: even a young gnome is still a gnome
[15:40:17] <jmcp> Sun Ray != SSFD
[15:40:21] <Cyrille> indeed
[15:40:26] <McBofh> oxygene: heh
[15:40:54] <TomJ> doesnt sun ray use SSGD?
[15:40:59] <TomJ> I thought sun ray was the client and SSGD was the server
[15:41:06] <Cyrille> no
[15:41:38] <Cyrille> Sun Ray clients use Sun Ray servers as their servers, the SSGD servers are accessed via an SSGD client which can be a browser.
[15:41:44] <TomJ> right ok I see
[15:41:48] <TomJ> isn't there a lot of crossover there though?
[15:41:57] <TomJ> I mean dont they both basically do the same thing?
[15:42:08] <Cyrille> the goals are similar, that's true.
[15:43:21] <Cyrille> SSGD can be a way of aggregating applications from multiple servers in a single remote desktop, usually running on a real machine, while Sun Ray is more about thin clients and roaming your desktop between them.
[15:45:27] <TomJ> OK thanks
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[15:45:35] <TomJ> I wish SSGD was free :(
[15:45:50] <TomJ> I heard that once it was free for 2 users or so, but they seem to have stopped that
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[15:46:27] <Cyrille> yes, there was a bit of back and forth on the licensing.
[15:46:51] <Gekz> ,
[15:48:48] <TomJ> hum I'm confused, according to wikipedia Solaris 5/08 added 'virtual IP instances'.. isn't that crossbow?
[15:50:43] <TomJ> i think that must be a mistake, cant see anything about that in 5/08 release notes
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[15:51:13] <oxygene> TomJ: the release before added ip firewall between zones, I think
[15:51:42] <TomJ> oxygene: you mean better than the route -deny  method?
[15:51:47] <TomJ> (or whatever the keyword was)
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[15:52:10] <oxygene> TomJ: not entirely sure, but it was supposed to be quite complete. I've yet to look into it
[15:52:16] <TomJ> thanks
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[15:56:03] <TomJ> oh I see, they're referring to shared or exclusive IP zones
[15:56:10] <TomJ> which came in U4
[15:56:10] <oxygene> yes
[16:01:23] <TomJ> anyone know the plan for crossbow?  http://blogs.sun.com/markusflierl/entry/successful_crossbow_beta_results  indicates people are "slaving away to get it into Solaris"  - does that mean SXCE/Indiana or is it slated for a U7 type Solaris release?
[16:01:48] <TomJ> i'm a bit confused as it seems to be developed separately from SXCE/NV/OSol rather than being a part of those like most other new features?
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[16:02:49] <jbk> no, that's how it's normally done
[16:02:52] <jbk> since it's going into ON
[16:03:03] <jbk> they take a copy of ON, and make their changes there
[16:03:16] <jbk> when it's 'ready' then all those changes are putback into the main ON tree
[16:03:49] <jbk> in the meantime, so people can get at it, that copy of ON with their changed bits is available, as well as (I think) archives of the compiled bits
[16:03:49] <TomJ> OK, so the 'Solaris' he refers to probably means it'd go into SXCE/OpenSolaris for a while before making it to Solaris?
[16:04:52] <jbk> that would be my assumption
[16:04:57] <TomJ> thanks
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[16:06:29] <jmcp> TomJ: yeah
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[16:06:36] <jbk> hey jmcp
[16:06:42] <jmcp> dammit, I *was* going to hit the sack, then I remembered I had a concall to dial into...
[16:06:43] <jmcp> hiya
[16:06:48] <jbk> damn.. someone's really trying to FUD opensolaris
[16:07:11] <jbk> there's that ballmer clone at the linux foundation that spewed a bunch of excrement, and now various sites keep picking up the story
[16:07:13] <jmcp> TomJ: there are manymany years of history of just calling our OS "Solaris" ...
[16:07:20] <jmcp> jbk: yeah
[16:07:29] <jbk> jmcp: that sucks (the concall)
[16:07:32] <jmcp> yeah
[16:07:40] <jmcp> but it's about implementing FMA
[16:07:44] <jbk> my old job, there used to be a weekly 8pm conf call w/ singapore
[16:07:47] <jmcp> so Rather Important
[16:07:50] <jbk> which was annoying
[16:07:55] <jbk> there used to be two of them every week
[16:08:04] <jmcp> huh
[16:08:07] <jbk> and they'd typically last 90 mins or so
[16:08:12] <jmcp> I started yesterday with a 7am
[16:08:12] <turtle> huh? picked up what story? did i miss something cool?
[16:08:31] <jmcp> turtle: http://www.osnews.com/story/20324/Linux_Foundation_s_Zemlin_Declares_Solaris_All_But_Dead
[16:08:32] <jbk> turtle: no, just more crap than you could shovel
[16:08:36] <TomJ> hum, pkgrm doesn't delete catman pages. which makes sense I suppose, they're not in the packing list.. bit annoying though
[16:09:20] <turtle> minor features like zfs and dtrace huh?
[16:09:39] <turtle> i guess solaris is going to die right alongside freebsd, any day now..any day..
[16:09:55] <Cyrille> well, minor compared to important stuff like colour ls and glibc version jungle.
[16:10:10] <turtle> word
[16:10:36] * jmcp goes back to concentrating on "minor features" like FMA
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[16:11:23] <evocallaghan> Hi
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[16:16:02] <TomJ> is there a way to clear up dead catman pages?  after removing a package, pkgrm doesn't delete them because they're not in the packing file.  re-running catman also does not appear to clean them up
[16:16:23] <TomJ> an automatic/nice way I mean, rather than writing a script to compare manX/* to catX/*
[16:17:22] <whoami08> TomJ: rm -r all cats and recreate them with catman
[16:17:42] <TomJ> fair enough
[16:18:01] * TomJ puts in a RFE for catman -d "delete all catman pages before recreating"
[16:19:20] <whoami08> I'd rather teach pkg* to install and remove catpages, too :)
[16:19:26] <TomJ> true
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[16:19:42] <TomJ> that's more of a departure though
[16:19:51] <TomJ> I'm pretty sure pkg has no facility for dealing with files outside its packing list?
[16:19:58] <TomJ> pkg* I should say
[16:20:20] <trygvis> TomJ: check out installf/removef
[16:20:52] <guru> hi everyone
[16:21:21] <guru> i want to ask a Q about opensolaris, can i?
[16:21:27] <jmcp> just ask
[16:21:55] <TomJ> guru: there wouldn't be much point to this place if no-one ever asked, or answered questions
[16:22:13] <TomJ> trygvis: thanks, didn't know about those
[16:22:14] <guru> is there any diff between solaris and opensolaris?
[16:22:26] <jmcp> yes
[16:22:56] <guru> cuz i was trying to install solaris 10 (01/06) in my laptop, and i'm using sata hdd
[16:23:16] <guru> so stupid solaris did't recongnize to my harddisk
[16:23:17] <jmcp> that's a *really* old version of Solaris 10
[16:23:30] <guru> yeah, but it should works
[16:23:47] <jmcp> what you're probably coming up against is driver support
[16:23:54] 
[16:23:55] <guru> i was keeping it, cuz i got it from someone working in sun company
[16:24:06] <jmcp> Solaris 10 and its updates does not necessarily have the same driver support as OpenSolaris
[16:24:10] <guru> no, mine is Dell inspiron
[16:24:14] <turtle> why not grab something modern?
[16:24:28] <guru> 2.0 due 2 core, 2 G ram, 160 HDD
[16:24:30] <guru> etc....
[16:24:49] <jmcp> guru: pull down a copy of OpenSolaris or Solaris Express Community Edition
[16:25:08] <guru> it's hard to get solaris over here, unless having a nice battle to download it fron the internet :)
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[16:25:25] <guru> and i need it for job upportonitys
[16:25:34] <jmcp> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/general_faq
[16:26:03] <jmcp> guru: your experience will be *much* nicer if you get a recent edition rather than something which is nearly 2 years old
[16:26:05] <whoami08> guru: opensolaris is a CD image download (so 700 MB instead of gigs for solaris10/nevada)
[16:26:10] <guru> so a friend of mine have opensolaris, that's why i'm asking if there is any diff any archi, settings, commands, and configuration
[16:26:23] <jmcp> >>>>> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/general_faq/  <<<<<<
[16:26:23] <whoami08> yes, yes, yes and yes
[16:26:46] <guru> jmcp: thanks alot
[16:27:25] <guru> i know that jmcp, but i want your opinion as a users, admins or devolopers
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[16:27:41] <guru> that's my point
[16:27:50] <guru> but thanks alot anyway
[16:28:13] <jmcp> guru: well you should have specified that's what you wanted
[16:28:21] <jmcp> you asked a *very* general question
[16:28:27] <jmcp> so I pointed you to a generic document
[16:28:34] <whoami08> well he said he needs it for a job...
[16:28:57] <jmcp> sigh
[16:29:02] <whoami08> guru: so install solaris10 and/or opensolaris inside virtualbox and play with both
[16:29:09] <guru> so what do you think?
[16:29:50] <guru> that's mean i need to resize my HDD again, cuz i got partion for it
[16:30:04] <jmcp> guru: I'm a kernel engineer. I work on and in OpenSolaris as my primary development target and platform. Solaris 10 Updates are a backport target
[16:30:05] <guru> i got BAD Vista, which is come by defualt with Dell laptops
[16:30:10] <guru> CentOS 5.2
[16:30:26] <guru> FreeBSD 6.2 which is lack for hardwar support
[16:30:49] <guru> free partion after deleting Debian Etch
[16:31:22] <turtle> do you just have a thing for using old versions of stuff?
[16:32:26] <oxygene> you know, it takes a while to propagate all that stuff through the intertubes
[16:32:47] <guru> lol, i was using dail up turtle, so i guess that's fair enough to answer for your Q
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[16:33:02] <turtle> well, glancing over at the jewel case on the shelf next to me freebsd 6.2 is from feb 2007
[16:33:29] <guru> freebsd 6.2 is now old, 8 i guess it's beta now
[16:33:41] <guru> you rather like 7 i guess
[16:33:50] <guru> so guys, what about my main Q
[16:34:10] <jmcp> guru: I already gave you my opinion
[16:34:17] <guru> diff solaris opensolaris > guru
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[16:35:09] <guru> jmcp, if you was in my place, what you gonna choose?
[16:35:26] <jmcp> did you see my comment a few minutes ago?
[16:35:33] <guru> for jobs upportonity reason
[16:35:35] <whoami08> I also told you, if you need it for work, use sol10 with virtualbox...
[16:35:50] <guru> yes, i did, kernel engineer, which is neat
[16:36:06] <guru> alan cox and david miller i guess
[16:36:23] <guru> but i guess you like david miller more i guess
[16:36:24] <jmcp> uh ... I believe they are also kernel engineers, yes. but they're linux ppl. I'm not
[16:36:32] <guru> kernel porting ;)
[16:36:39] <jmcp> I don't know either of them personally, liking has no relevance
[16:36:59] <guru> very true
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[16:37:25] <guru> so jmcp, as there any diff in kernel stuff?
[16:37:34] <jmcp> yes
[16:37:58] <guru> few or alot?
[16:38:16] <jmcp> between Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris? *lots*
[16:38:32] <jmcp> which is why I strongly suggest that you pull down a build or distro of OpenSolaris and use that instead of Solaris 10
[16:38:52] <jmcp> OpenSolaris has diverged _significantly_ from Solaris 10
[16:39:44] <guru> nice, what about servers, is it diff in configuration from Solaris 10?
[16:39:49] <jmcp> no
[16:39:58] <guru> cool, that's my point
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[16:40:08] <jmcp> well it's been *very* poorly expressed
[16:40:14] <guru> jmcp, thanks alot
[16:40:15] <jmcp> we don't have a separate version for "Server" versus "Desktop"
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[16:41:14] <guru> you mean if want to do web server or squid serve, then i'm gonna use the same configuration in both, right?
[16:41:26] <jmcp> it's the same OS, yes
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[16:41:45] <guru> very nice
[16:41:49] <ondre> so anyone familiar with BrandZ?  specifically, supported versions of CentOS
[16:42:09] <jmcp> guru: you _might_ want to tune differently, but you'd be doing the sensible thing and getting _data_ on how the box performs under a given load, and then make tuning decisions
[16:42:41] <ondre> lx brandz?  anyone?  brandz? brandz?
[16:42:50] <jmcp> ondre: don't be so impatient
[16:43:05] <jmcp> there'll be somebody around who can probably help, but they might not be here right now
[16:43:14] <ondre> I'm not being impaitence I was making a ben stein joke
[16:43:28] <jmcp> it seemed impatient to me
[16:43:40] <jmcp> and I don't know who Ben Stein is, I don't recognise his work
[16:43:51] <ondre> have you seen ferris beullers day off?
[16:43:55] <jmcp> no
[16:43:57] <ondre> wtf
[16:44:01] <ondre> ok nevermind then
[16:44:44] <TomJ> Does anyone know if anyone is working on improving FLAR / flarcreate e.g. to support zones, or at least not to break if flarcreate is run when zones are installed?
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[16:44:58] <guru> ondre, try google ;)
[16:44:58] <guru> http://www.google.com.ly/search?q=brandZ+on+centos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[16:45:08] <fluffle> hi! just booted snv_98 sparc install dvd on a sunfire v490 and it bailed on me with the error "ERROR: Cannot find install software, Exiting to shell" -- what could be the problem?
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[16:45:24] <turtle> it's inability to find the install software
[16:45:45] <guru> jmcp, thanks alot
[16:45:56] <guru> thanks for everyone
[16:45:57] * fluffle claps turtle
[16:46:23] <turtle> np! i'm here to help!
[16:46:47] <ondre> guru I've exhausted google for my problem
[16:47:00] <fluffle> perhaps you coild aid me with the root rather thhan the proximate cause of my issue?
[16:47:02] <ondre> lx brandz only supports centos 3.8 but all the download dirs on cenots mirrosr for 3.8 go to 3.9
[16:47:05] <fluffle> could*
[16:47:17] <guru> lol, i see, i hope i can help, but i'm not familiar with BrandZ
[16:47:50] <guru> i just checked this wiki to know what it's
[16:47:58] <guru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrandZ
[16:48:19] <fluffle> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2008-April/040210.html <-- is it likely to be this? that'd be less than useful.
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[16:48:37] <ondre> guru: that's something else
[16:48:40] <ondre> try http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/
[16:48:48] <guru> aha, i will
[16:49:55] <ondre> I should mention, I do not want to use http://dlc.sun.com/osol/brandz/downloads/centos_fs_image.tar.bz2
[16:50:09] <ondre> because, well, it sucks
[16:51:05] <guru> jmcp, can you hit me with well known site to download opensolaris
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[16:51:27] <guru> cuz every mb in my connection is preciouse :D
[16:51:28] <jmcp> opensolaris.com
[16:51:43] <jmcp> that'll get you OpenSolaris binary distro
[16:51:48] <jmcp> you can also get it via bittorrent
[16:52:19] <guru> opensolaris.com is ok
[16:53:01] <guru> what filesystem that opensolaris using?
[16:53:08] <guru> ufs, ext3...?
[16:53:27] <oxygene> ufs, zfs
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[16:53:49] <jmcp> the binary distro installs to ZFS
[16:54:00] <guru> is it better than ufs?
[16:54:04] <jmcp> hell yeah
[16:54:13] <guru> and is it support lvm?
[16:54:17] <jmcp> have a look at the presentations at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs
[16:54:24] <jmcp> it's radically different
[16:54:42] <guru> sounds awesome
[16:55:02] <oxygene> guru: zfs includes volume manager functionality. solaris also has svm for "classic" volume management capabilities, and there's the veritas stuff you could buy
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[16:55:16] <guru> and no problems with ext3 mounting ;) ?
[16:55:32] <jmcp> ext3 requires a non-Sun module
[16:55:35] <asyd> btw, does somesomes know the url of the webcomsole component to manage zones?
[16:55:49] <jmcp> guru: I don't know exactly where you'd get it from, but you could try genunix.org
[16:55:58] <asyd> I always have difficulty to find it
[16:56:08] <jmcp> asyd: if webconsole svc is enabled, have a look at http://localhost:6789
[16:56:10] <jmcp> I think
[16:56:15] <guru> i will jmcp, soons i got my iso
[16:56:22] <guru> and installed it
[16:56:25] <asyd> jmcp: heay the but the zone component is not available by default
[16:56:32] <asyd> the zone to create / halt / reboot a zone
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[16:57:06] <asyd> +one
[16:57:10] <jmcp> asyd: oh
[16:57:14] <jmcp> dunno then, sorry
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[16:57:17] <asyd> np
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[16:59:06] <guru> need to reboot, thanks for everyone, and talk to you later
[16:59:22] <guru> speciall thanks for jmcp
[17:00:13] <jmcp> yw
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[17:04:03] <evocallaghan> Can we *please* just stick a simple table on the front page of opensolaris.org that has SXCE, Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris in with a one liner that explains them
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[17:04:28] <jmcp> evocallaghan: it's in the FAQ, whch is pointed to off the front page
[17:05:00] <evocallaghan> Also the words, SXCE, Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris as hyperlinks to the download section of each
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[17:05:10] <evocallaghan> jmcp:Narr, *front* page
[17:05:17] <evocallaghan> Right in peoples face
[17:05:20] <jmcp> evocallaghan: email to website-discuss
[17:05:54] <evocallaghan> Its the first question that everyone asks, "What is SXCE, Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris and which should I use"
[17:06:13] <evocallaghan> yea ok
[17:06:30] <evocallaghan> I'm not subscripted to that list
[17:06:38] <evocallaghan> I already got too much to follow :/
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[17:11:17] <holcomb> is it mid-october yet?
[17:11:55] <jmcp> holcomb: uh ... no
[17:11:59] <holcomb> :(
[17:12:26] <im_alone> how can list the threads's TIDs with % cpu?
[17:13:38] <coffman> i have a question
[17:14:08] <coffman> i detached my zones, did a live upgrade and a ludelete after it
[17:14:33] <coffman> why does ludelete delete the filesystems of the detached zones?
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[17:15:03] <whoami08> im_alone: prstat has a flag for that IIRC
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[17:22:01] <seanmcg> prstat -amL
[17:22:55] <seanmcg> or leave out the -m.  The -L is for individual threads
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[17:24:03] <whoami08> coffman: wild guess, because your zones were part of the old BE which you deleted? :)
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[17:29:12] <coffman> whoami08: sure
[17:29:24] <coffman> but hey
[17:29:26] <coffman> wtf?
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[17:29:53] <coffman> live upgrade is so fucked up broken
[17:30:09] <turtle> why for
[17:31:10] <Yorlik> I tried a "pkgtool build SFEfreetype.spec -vvv --nonotify --downloads --autodeps" in my local SFE directory. and got an error message which pointed me to "/tmp/SFEfreetype.log". In that file i found a "pkgbuild: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables /pkgbuild: See `config.log' for more details." In that said config.log in packages/BUILD/SFEfreetype-2.3.4/amd64/freetype-2.3.5/build
[17:31:12] <Yorlik> s/unix/ I found a  "configure:2421: /opt/SUNWspro/bin/CC --version >&5 ..(some stuff left out) ... /usr/ccs/bin/ld: illegal option -- version".. Is this a problem with my version of SunStudio (I installed SS12, but SS10 or 11 are recommended for jdscbe) or can i fix this otherwise ?
[17:31:35] <coffman> whoami08: it was not under the $pool/ROOT
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[17:35:30] <Yorlik> I got the same error with other SFE specs, si I think it must be some sort of setup problem. The sfe env script has be launched before to seth the environment.
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[18:13:29] <_setuid_H> Hi I have a little problem with connection on the univeristy. They use wired connection and 802.1x auth. Is there any way to connect this network with opensolaris?
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[18:42:56] <bsmith9> schwarz makes $11M this year !
[18:43:33] <nachox> that was just the bonus i think
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[18:54:41] <iamben> if i set an http proxy in system->prefs->network proxy, it should be used for the package manager's downloads, right?
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[18:55:58] <Asako> does anybody know why flash in firefox won't play sound?
[18:56:23] <ballChalk> no sound drivers?
[18:56:31] <Asako> xmms works
[18:56:38] <Asako> but every time I start it the volume is at 0
[18:56:50] <Asako> and if I let xmms run for a while firefox works again
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[18:58:21] <Asako> is there a mixer app?
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[18:59:54] <Asako> mixerctl doesn't seem to do anything
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[19:04:18] <iamben> ok so i guess my next question is, how do i start the gui package manager from command line?
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[19:10:18] <evocallaghan> Has Return of ENOTSUP if lseek(f, off, SEEK_HOLE) been intergrated ? I am sure it has but would just like to confirm
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[19:11:13] <seanmcg> evocallaghan, there a bug id connected to that ?
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[19:11:44] <evocallaghan> I have no idea
[19:11:48] <seanmcg> reads like a movie title btw, 'Return Of the ENOTSUP lseek' !
[19:11:58] <evocallaghan> haha
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[19:14:22] <Asako> iamben, why not just use pkg?
[19:14:34] <iamben> i dunno im new
[19:15:01] <Asako> "mixer.c", line 45: cannot find include file: <sys/audioio.h>
[19:15:06] <Asako> anybody know how to fix that?
[19:15:20] <iamben> im watching the log on my proxy and can't even get it to attempt a connection
[19:15:26] <Asako> never mind, it's in a package
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[19:19:08] <iamben> hmm think i got it now, not used to using a gui pkg manager so my su + x11 skills are rusty
[19:20:44] <Asako> my mixer keeps resetting itself to 0
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[19:21:49] <Asako> does every app have its own mixer?
[19:24:30] <whoami08> Asako: OSS should install a mixer IIRC
[19:25:13] <Asako> there's the gnome one
[19:25:20] <Asako> which doesn't seem to work
[19:25:26] <Asako> http://www.softagalleria.net/mixer.php I just used this
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[19:28:53] <whoami08> Asako: did you install the open sound drivers?
[19:29:02] <Asako> no, just whatever the default is
[19:29:40] <whoami08>  /usr/sbin/mixerctl doesn't work?
[19:30:04] <Asako> it works
[19:30:10] <Asako> how do you set the volume with it?
[19:31:02] <Asako> man page doesn't say
[19:31:10] <whoami08> indeed
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[19:31:39] <Asako> it's just one of those annoying little things
[19:31:53] <Asako> and I still can't get firefox to edit bookmarks
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[19:33:28] <whoami08> Asako: try OSS, I'm pretty sure you can adjust your vol with it
[19:33:34] <Asako> yeah
[19:33:38] <Asako> I can adjust it fine
[19:33:47] <Asako> xmms, mixer, etc. work
[19:34:03] <Asako> it's just weird that sound works in flash one minute and not the next
[19:35:06] <seanmcg> I've seen cases where one app opens the sound device (/dev/sound/0 say) in exclusive mode, i.e. nothing else can open it untill that app is finished.
[19:35:38] <Asako> yeah, I tried restarting everything
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[19:41:21] <Yorlik> Ohhhh ...  12.000 MHz CPU usage ... seems my compile finally works. ..
[19:42:19] <seanmcg> 12.0 or 12,0 ?  (thinks of a 12GHz box :)
[19:43:07] <Yorlik> 12,000 (german user == wrong punctuation)
[19:43:24] <Yorlik> 4 3 ghz cores
[19:43:34] <seanmcg> ahh
[19:44:00] <Yorlik> SS12 simply refused to cooperate with jdscbe.... now I can fill my wine cellar
[19:44:47] <Yorlik> Just because of some stupid options like --version not working ... So I had to completely uninstall SS12 and get SS11 ...
[19:45:03] <Yorlik> Since I didn't want to go into the spec files
[19:45:38] <whoami08> and with ss11 it works?
[19:46:32] <Yorlik> Yes. Its compiling like mad now ...
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[19:48:06] <Yorlik> deinstalling SSW 12 was a pain in the a....  All pkgrm SPROxyz.... .. but I made myself a script from the "pkginfo | grep SPRO" output and so it got a bit easier .. still had to answer all the questions ...y <enter> y <enter> y <enter> y <enter> y <enter> .....
[19:48:21] <_mary_kate_> Yorlik: why didn't you use the uninstaller?
[19:48:21] <Yorlik> :P
[19:48:29] <Yorlik> It didn't work
[19:48:30] <oxygene> Yorlik: prodreg might have helped
[19:48:38] <jbk> heh
[19:48:52] <Yorlik> Doh .. another command I should have remembered ...
[19:49:10] <Yorlik> Seems again I have to learn it the hard way .. lol
[19:49:56] <Yorlik> But the uninstaller didn't work for some reason ... Some java unregistering stuff complained all time
[19:52:01] <Auralis> yes | pkgrm `pkginfo |grep SUNWspro | awk '{ print $2 }'`
[19:52:44] <Auralis> or whatever the current pkg name is
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[19:54:20] <snejk> Hi ppl. I have an anoying problem, when I su - <user> I get a segmentation fault: output from truss -topen http://pastebin.com/d7a6b544c any idea?
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[20:04:49] <storycrafter> snejk
[20:05:11] <snejk> yep
[20:05:16] <evocallaghan> Anyone here working on Xorg FOX gate?
[20:05:18] <storycrafter> snejk: I can't say for sure, and i don't have time to dig deep.  I'd check name service caching daemon
[20:05:43] <storycrafter> snejk: nsswitch.conf, etc.
[20:06:14] <sstallion_work> afternoon all
[20:06:27] <evocallaghan> Hi
[20:06:29] <storycrafter> howdy.
[20:06:31] <Yorlik> Oy
[20:07:02] <snejk> storycrafter: ok
[20:07:16] <storycrafter> snejk: i'm totally guess, but it's possible you've got ldap, other stuff configured, and i'd check pam, too
[20:07:33] <storycrafter> snejk: good luck
[20:08:18] <storycrafter> snejk: oh, and one last thing, i'd encourage you to file a bug :)
[20:08:22] <snejk> storycrafter: nothing else configed, I'm actually running in a chroot against a zone dir.. it worked until a while ago, not sure what has happened
[20:09:30] <snejk> storycrafter_: like chroot /data/zone/dev1/root /bin/bash , unfortunately there is no name service door file in /var/run, that file is special Dr--r--r--
[20:09:31] <storycrafter> ah, interesting because i only found references to zones when i googled that door file name.
[20:09:54] <storycrafter> yup, kinda like a unix socket file
[20:09:55] <snejk> ok
[20:10:18] <snejk> hmm
[20:10:20] <storycrafter> makes sense, then.  not all of your paths will be present when not actually accessing through the zone
[20:10:53] <snejk> you may wonder why I dont run the normal way, thats because the zone files are from another system (older)
[20:10:57] <storycrafter> special files, etc..  and i don't know enough about zone innards to say what else you'd do to accomplish a chroot bash like you're doing
[20:11:16] <snejk> ok
[20:11:17] <storycrafter> older than sol10 U2 or U3?
[20:11:17] <snejk> :)
[20:12:00] <snejk> yep
[20:12:03] <storycrafter> i was just reading yesterday that you can migrate a zone from u2 or u3 or thereabouts
[20:12:05] <snejk> first release I believe
[20:12:20] <snejk> running GA
[20:12:32] <storycrafter> there may be a patch that will allow it.  might want to google zone migration solaris
[20:13:07] <storycrafter> or figure out how to get past your missing special files.  again, good luck.
[20:13:12] <snejk> hehe
[20:13:13] <snejk> yep
[20:14:51] <snejk> getting dtrace scripts now. :)
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[20:15:10] <Yorlik> I tried to build wine with jdscbe and it complained I wasn't allowed package installation - but the user I used definitel yhas that right in /etc/user_attr as assigned by the graphical user manager before and it was readable in the file. What could be wrong ?
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[20:23:12] <snejk> hmm I'm thinking maybe I could use loopback mount for lib, usr/bin into the old zone
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[20:27:04] <oxygene> Yorlik: maybe some tool in that framework looked for uid=0, because it doesn't know about package administration privileges
[20:27:41] <Yorlik> That would be bad, since pkgtool denies building for root ...
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[20:30:17] <sstallion_work> Yorlik: read the CBE documentation. You need the Software Installation profile added to your uid.
[20:30:29] <Yorlik> It is added.
[20:30:40] <snejk> storycrafter I fixed it, probably ugly but it works :) for i in /lib /platform /sbin /usr; do mount -F lofs $i /data/zone/dev1/root$i; done
[20:30:43] <sstallion_work> not if you are still having issues
[20:30:51] <Yorlik> I did it with the graphical tool and manually checked afterwards in /etc/user_attr
[20:32:41] <sstallion_work> what does /etc/user_attr look like ?
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[20:34:22] <Yorlik> myuser::::type=normal;profiles=acctadm,Apache 22 Administration,Application Server Management,Audit Control,Audit Review,Basic Actions,Brightness,Console User,Cont
[20:34:24] <Yorlik> ract Observer,CPU Power Management,Cron Management,Crypto Management,CUPS Administration,D-BUS Management,DAT Administration,Desktop Configuration,Device Manage
[20:34:25] <Yorlik> ment,Device Security,DHCP Management,dtwm,Extended Accounting Flow Management,Extended Accounting Process Management,Extended Accounting Task Management,File Sy
[20:34:27] <Yorlik> stem Management,File System Security,FTP Management,HAL Management,Idmap Name Mapping Management,Idmap Service Management,Inetd Management,Information Security,
[20:34:29] <Yorlik> IP Filter Management,ISCSI Target Administration,ISCSI Target Management,ISNS Server Management,Kerberos Client Management,Kerberos Server Management,Lighttpd 1
[20:34:30] <Yorlik> 4 Administration,Log Management,Mail Management,Maintenance and Repair,Media Backup,Media Restore,Memcached Administration,MySQL Administration,Name Service Man
[20:34:32] <Yorlik> agement,Name Service Security,NDMP Management,Network IPsec Management,Network Link Security,Network Management,Network Security,Network Wifi Management,Network
[20:34:34] <Yorlik>  Wifi Security,Object Access Management,Object Label Management,Operator,Outside Accred,Postgres Administration,Primary Administrator,Printer Management,Process
[20:34:37] <Yorlik>  Management,Project Management,Rights Delegation,Rmvolmgr Management,Service Management,Service Operator,shutdown,SMB Management,SMBFS Management,Software Insta
[20:34:40] <Yorlik> llation,STMF Administration,STMF Management,Stunnel Administration,Suspend,Suspend To Disk,Suspend To RAM,System Administrator,System Event Management,System Po
[20:34:42] <sommerfeld> aaiigh
[20:34:43] <_mary_kate_> Yorlik: stop it!
[20:34:43] <Yorlik> wer,User Management,User Security,VSCAN Management,Web Console Management,ZFS File System Management,ZFS Storage Management,Zone Management
[20:34:46] <Yorlik> oops ..
[20:34:48] <Yorlik> Should do ?
[20:34:50] <Yorlik> Sorry ...
[20:34:50] <sommerfeld> please use a pastebin
[20:35:06] <Yorlik> It looked so nice and little when I pasted it .. forgive ..
[20:35:13] <Yorlik> Next time ..
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[20:35:57] <Yorlik> sstallion: basically its my secondary root I just changed the username above
[20:36:32] <h3sp4wn> I thought just having primary administrator ment you had most of those anyway
[20:37:20] <Yorlik> I just don't understand why this user cannot install software ...
[20:38:42] <h3sp4wn> There is at least one that limits you if you have that profile at all (basic user or something - if you have that you cannot use pfexec normally
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[20:39:55] <h3sp4wn> I would just do - usermod -P 'Primary Administrator,Software Installation' username
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[20:51:51] <Yorlik> Hmmm .. seems I can't compile wine from SFE on NV98-64 bit
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[20:53:07] <jafari> do anyone have a solid doc on VLAN tag and IPMP?
[20:57:06] <snejk> any news on Solaris 6/08 U6 release? will it contain http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/crossbow/ ?
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[20:59:26] <Yorlik> How do I unzip lzma files under nv98? Is there a native tool ?
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[21:00:00] <oxygene> Yorlik: it might already contain 7z
[21:00:28] <Yorlik> Found it - thank you !
[21:00:49] <h3sp4wn> snejk: Its not likely
[21:01:27] <whoami08> oxygene: 7z can uncompress lzma files?
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[21:02:05] <oxygene> whoami08: same algorithm, but there are variants.. it's at least worth a try
[21:04:43] <snejk> h3sp4wn: ok. can the opensolaris distribution be used in production environments atm? or is better to wait?
[21:05:07] <Yorlik> Seems 7z refuses to operate that lzma file ...
[21:06:33] <h3sp4wn> snejk: Its not even in SXCE yet - I think there will be part of crossbow in the xvm (xen) server - that will be based on b89 (or was to be)
[21:07:22] <snejk> h3sp4wn: I guess I'll wait a while before switching from Solaris 10 U5 :)
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[21:14:04] <glance> anyone familiar with solaris/krb5 around?
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[21:17:40] <_mary_kate_> heh.. the firefox bundled in solaris 10 doesn't know how to handle web start applications?
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[21:20:11] <glance> http://pastebin.com/md6e8ee5
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[21:30:35] <coffman> hm, is there a proper write up how to handle live upgrade on zfs boot with zones?
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[21:35:16] <holcomb> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsbootFAQ/
[21:35:25] <holcomb> not "proper" as far as I can tell
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[21:39:17] <pitty> how can i find out the timezone for Australia?
[21:39:27] <pitty> is it 'zdump -v AU ' ?
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[21:42:44] <whoami08> pitty: man zoneinfo
[21:44:05] <pitty> whoami08: doesn't tell me much
[21:45:46] <pitty> never mind, i got it.. thanks anyhow
[21:51:40] <whoami08> pitty: well it points you to the directory where the zoneinfo is stored, somewhere in there is also a readme for australia
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[22:04:59] <hudnix> Does anyone have experience joining opensolaris smbsrv to a Samba Domain controller? I just get 'failed to find any domain controllers'...
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[22:30:32] <whoami08> hudnix: http://blogs.sun.com/timthomas/entry/configuring_the_opensolaris_cifs_server sounds you need an AD server
[22:30:41] <whoami08> +like+
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[22:33:00] <pitty> whoami08: you are correct.. thanks for your help earlier
[22:33:57] <odd1> quick install question...   i did the following:
[22:33:57] <odd1> pkg image-create -F -a opensolaris.org=http://pkg.opensolaris.org $PKG_IMAGE
[22:33:57] <odd1> pkg refresh
[22:33:57] <odd1> pkg install entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.95
[22:33:57] <odd1> pkg install SUNWcsd SUNWcs
[22:33:58] <odd1> pkg install redistributable
[22:33:59] <odd1> some follow up stuff to get it to boot
[22:34:01] <odd1> and was suprised to see SNV_98 at boot...
[22:34:03] <odd1> I was expecting SNV_95
[22:34:22] <odd1> do i not understand the rev nomencalture???
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[22:44:54] <hudnix> whoami08: thanks for the link. Sounds like even if I get it working, it's going to be very fragile. We're running openLdap, and AD is not an option. Guess I'll put all the domain controller and filesharing on a linux DomU. Shame, I wanted to give each user his own ZFS volume with daily snapshots.
[22:46:10] <e^ipi> you could also just use samba on the solaris box
[22:46:20] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[22:48:50] <hudnix> e^ipi: I would love to, but I really can't find a good step-by-step howto for doing that, and getting the sort of config I'm looking for. Seems like I'd be going it alone with a very unusual configuration that way...
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[22:50:37] <e^ipi> it would be the same as using any other samba config
[22:51:07] <e^ipi> except you would start the service as an smf service
[22:51:07] <e^ipi>  svc:/network/samba:default
[22:51:45] <whoami08> I saw some pre/post-connect shellscript for creating a zfs "mountpoint" for the samba user and a snapshot when he logs out (just google for samba zfs)
[22:53:08] <sstallion_work> afternoon Gman
[22:55:40] <Gman> hi sstallion_work
[22:55:45] <sstallion_work> how goes it ?
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[22:58:37] <hudnix> I got the zfs stuff, the problem is configuring samba to authenticate as part of a domain on solaris...I'm sure it can be done, I'm just not sure I would do it correctly...
[22:59:29] <hudnix> I'm still pretty much a newb wrt ldap, samba, and windows networking
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[23:05:25] <e^ipi> you would do it the same way you would in BSD, Linux, etc
[23:05:28] <e^ipi> samba is samba
[23:05:55] <e^ipi> the in-kernel CIFS is different, and you'll have to talk to the CIFS people about how to do that with that
[23:06:11] <e^ipi> but if you just use samba, even the ubuntu guides are likely 90% correct
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[23:14:11] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Ping
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[23:15:03] <evocallaghan> What happened to the opensolaris.org/os site? The top and the left side are missing
[23:15:38] <ballChalk> did you reboot, unplug your cable modem, and install vista?
[23:15:44] <ballChalk> oh yeah, and clear your cache and cookies
[23:16:11] <evocallaghan> Done, Done and I got some error message at the vista step
[23:16:54] <piwi> slim layout, but lacks some navigation
[23:17:15] <evocallaghan> :p
[23:17:22] * ballChalk blames the dbas
[23:18:12] <evocallaghan> Something went down
[23:18:12] <jbk> wise move :)
[23:19:20] <piwi> they should have done it with the arc cases site. every page load >3mb
[23:19:21] <evocallaghan> Some guy on the mailing list thinks Solaris should have been done in ASM
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[23:19:28] <evocallaghan> and he was not joking !!
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[23:19:36] <jbk> screw that
[23:19:40] <jbk> machine language
[23:19:45] <evocallaghan> piwi:Yea, I know !
[23:19:51] <jbk> directly enter the binary instructions into a binary
[23:19:56] <evocallaghan> jbk:Tell me about it haha
[23:20:18] <ballChalk> Hmm, I wonder how many places in Solaris where extra software programming could have been done but instead "get faster disks, get more memory b/w, get more ram" was chosen instead
[23:20:20] <evocallaghan> I sent something rather funny back
[23:20:30] <evocallaghan> you should check out laptop-d*
[23:20:52] <jbk> well generalyl the rule is correctness is a constraint, performance is a goal
[23:21:33] <evocallaghan> Sure, my IO suxs here. I have a bug report for it. But writing a OS in ASM in not the answer
[23:21:35] <evocallaghan> Gezz
[23:21:47] <ballChalk> yeah, redoing the same mistakes in asm would just make it harder
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[23:22:00] <evocallaghan> jbk:You do kernel stuff right: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2978
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[23:22:13] <ballChalk> s/mistakes/design decision
[23:22:16] <jbk> i dabble a little
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[23:22:22] <evocallaghan> hehe
[23:23:12] <piwi> put wires through ferrit cores would be the escalation of machine language
[23:23:17] <evocallaghan> jbk:Is there anything I can add to that report to get the problem fixed
[23:23:24] <evocallaghan> Its slow as here ;[
[23:25:04] <jbk> well it looks like juergen's done a lot of research already.. i'm still reading through it
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[23:26:31] <Asako> does opensolaris support scanners?
[23:26:53] <jbk> hmm i'm not super familiar with the storage stack, but what i would do is try to figure out where the kernel is spending it's time servicing i/o
[23:27:19] <jbk> make sure it's not spinning needless in some function and is actually waiting on the controller
[23:27:47] <jbk> then it'd be a matter of knowing the specs for the chipset and making sure the driver isn't misconfiguring it
[23:29:30] <jbk> the only other thing i can think of is possible bad behavior when dealing with any potential cache on the controller
[23:29:36] <sstallion_work> afternoon jbk
[23:29:40] <jbk> hey sstallion_work
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[23:29:53] <sstallion_work> what's shakin' ?
[23:30:25] <jbk> not much
[23:30:34] <piwi> Asako: sane should be in builds >88, but no first hand infos here
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[23:31:45] <Asako> yeah, I just tried sane
[23:32:28] <sstallion_work> jbk: I think I'm going to add to the prototype bits this weekend to add packaging
[23:32:39] <sstallion_work> did you want me to restructure cge to play nice with that structure?
[23:33:09] <jbk> sure
[23:33:31] <Asako> no matter, I forgot the stuff I needed to scan.  lol
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[23:39:09] <jmcp> Asako: if SANE supports your scanner, then yes
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[23:47:27] <Asako> jmcp, thanks
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