September 24, 2008 
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September 24, 2008 [00:00:25] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [00:00:37] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [00:00:45] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [00:01:13] <davismj> okay [00:01:25] <davismj> so is there really no partitioning utility with opensolaris? [00:01:37] <tek-ops> format [00:01:44] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [00:01:49] <davismj> man format? [00:01:50] <tek-ops> you can run fdisk instide [00:01:58] <davismj> ah [00:01:58] <tek-ops> s/instide/inside [00:02:02] <tek-ops> that's what I do [00:02:08] <davismj> i see [00:02:14] <davismj> and i can split an existing partition like that? [00:02:20] <davismj> i've always used parted... [00:02:25] <tek-ops> wait [00:02:31] <tek-ops> you're talking about something different [00:02:37] <tek-ops> are you trying to resize a partition? [00:02:37] <davismj> ya [00:02:40] <davismj> ya [00:02:48] <tek-ops> hmm, i'm not the one to ask [00:02:54] <davismj> ya... [00:02:57] <davismj> i checked [00:03:05] <davismj> no parted/gparted utilities come with open solaris [00:03:06] <tek-ops> that is a bit too risky for enterprise in my opinion [00:03:14] <tek-ops> you are correct there [00:03:18] <tek-ops> I don't know what to tell you [00:03:39] <davismj> and the gui installer partitioning program won't let you resize an existing non-zfs partition [00:03:44] <davismj> or non-solaris partition [00:04:07] <tek-ops> isnt there some linux live-cd specifically for that task [00:04:33] <mega_> format [00:04:41] <mega_> format -e [00:05:19] <mega_> i think it's what you looking for [00:05:53] <davismj> i don't have any burnable cds on me [00:05:56] <davismj> i'm not at home [00:11:04] *** peter_ has quit IRC [00:11:37] *** tek-ops has quit IRC [00:12:28] *** whoami08 has quit IRC [00:15:54] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [00:16:34] *** peter_ has joined #opensolaris [00:17:09] <im_alone> hi, what OSes have m-n threading model? [00:17:19] <im_alone> i wanted 1 user thread - 1 kernel thread [00:17:23] *** postwait has quit IRC [00:19:10] <hohum> can you use off the shelf hard drives in a thumper? [00:19:25] <bigjohnto> would the mknod minor be the same in solaris as in linux? [00:19:52] <bigjohnto> mknod device c major minor ---> would minor be the same in either system? [00:20:06] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [00:20:46] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [00:21:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [00:21:05] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [00:27:15] *** rmesta has quit IRC [00:30:35] * sstallion yawns. [00:34:33] *** netj has quit IRC [00:38:20] *** medar has quit IRC [00:40:36] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [00:46:03] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [00:48:14] *** luc^ has quit IRC [00:48:48] *** stukreit has joined #opensolaris [00:48:48] *** mega_ has quit IRC [00:56:56] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [00:58:08] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [00:59:01] *** yarihm has quit IRC [01:01:01] *** idle-boy has joined #opensolaris [01:07:58] *** ken_ has quit IRC [01:08:35] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [01:08:55] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris [01:12:26] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris [01:13:24] <Ouroboros> can anyone confirm a recent SATA CDROM working with nevada? i checked the ones on the HCL, but they seem rather ancient [01:18:38] <TomJ> Anyone got a recommendation for a command line torrent program? Nothing fancy, just to download some stuff quickly [01:19:04] *** Trede has quit IRC [01:19:32] <Ouroboros> utorrent perhaps? [01:19:36] <Ouroboros> (havent used it myself) [01:19:43] <TomJ> err that's a windows program :) [01:20:09] <Ouroboros> oh.... you want for solaris :) [01:20:14] <TomJ> Indeed :) [01:20:18] <Ouroboros> j/k, i thought it ran on other OSs [01:20:20] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [01:21:30] *** anathematic has quit IRC [01:21:38] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris [01:23:30] *** davismj has left #opensolaris [01:25:50] <piwi> TomJ: http://www.transmissionbt.com/ ? [01:26:24] <piwi> sorry, rememberd it wrong, no commandline [01:26:52] <TomJ> ok thanks anyway [01:29:47] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [01:32:27] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [01:33:10] *** capaz has quit IRC [01:33:54] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [01:36:00] <TomJ> piwi: actually it appears to have a CLI client also [01:36:22] <piwi> yes, i think i've just found out, too [01:36:25] <piwi> ;) [01:36:41] <piwi> (or, found it again) [01:37:41] <piwi> but my osol machine is powered off (and on another location), so i can't check it right now [01:38:24] *** davismj has left #opensolaris [01:40:36] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [01:40:59] <TomJ> it's complaining it can't find ssl at the moment [01:42:25] <piwi> maybe "Note: --autodeps is not completely fool-proof. You may need to find some spec files by grepping in the repository" ? [01:43:38] <TomJ> hm also I dont have gnome installed so this might be a non-started [01:43:44] <TomJ> need to make a whole root zone with all that stuff in there [01:44:16] <piwi> i think i've seen a request for integrationg trasnmission into osol [01:44:29] <piwi> *searching [01:44:53] <piwi> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 [01:45:22] <piwi> Transmission should be hitting for build 99: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/450/ Currently available in Vermillion packages. [01:45:48] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris [01:45:52] <balbirs> How can I check the default size of data block my file system slice ? [01:46:06] *** godsgifttowomen is now known as donita_dunes [01:46:25] <piwi> http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/SFE/ has a binary [01:47:35] *** lolmac has quit IRC [01:48:27] *** Ouroboros has quit IRC [01:48:31] *** lolmac has joined #opensolaris [01:49:49] <balbirs> prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0d0s2 says * 512 bytes/sector, so default block size is 512 bytes ? [01:50:06] <jmcp> yes [01:50:22] <jmcp> you would be very, very lucky to find a disk which does _not_ have a 512 byte sector size [01:50:25] <Doc> morning james [01:50:28] <jmcp> block size, rather [01:50:30] <jmcp> hi Doc [01:50:31] <Doc> ISO [01:50:40] <Doc> 640 bytes [01:50:43] <jmcp> that's not a "disk", per se [01:50:49] <Doc> ok, CD [01:50:55] * jmcp pedants [01:51:02] <jmcp> Doc: flight back was ok I guess? [01:51:12] <Doc> and given that there's probably more CD's on earth than hard disks... :) [01:51:21] <jmcp> AOL, come on down! [01:51:30] <Doc> flight? you mean flight_s_, right? (5 of them!) [01:51:54] <jmcp> oh, right .. you went back to SFO via India or somewhere else in Asia? [01:52:06] <jmcp> urk [01:52:13] <Doc> BNE-SIN-BKK, BKK-TPE, TPE-NRT-SFO (or something like that) [01:52:19] <jmcp> oh [01:52:25] <jmcp> up and around the Pacific Rim [01:52:34] <Tpenta> hey doc [01:52:37] <jmcp> was that by choice or necessity? [01:52:41] <Doc> hey alan [01:53:05] <Doc> jmcp: had a few days work in each on bangkok and taipei (and a few days off too :) [01:53:43] <jmcp> glad you got some time for the jetlag to kick you around [01:53:44] <jmcp> heh [01:53:57] <Doc> thankfully i don't get jetlagged [01:54:17] <jmcp> lucky for you [01:54:23] <jmcp> I do, and it bites [01:54:58] <Doc> so far this year i've flown 249,526 KM, and been in the air for over 2 weeks. I can't afford jet lag... [01:56:05] <e^ipi> i want your job. [01:59:56] <Tpenta> stocking up on teh frequent fliers then scott? [02:00:34] <Doc> not that many - i use some for upgrades [02:01:25] <hile_> ello Tpenta, Doc [02:03:08] <Doc> hmm.. in the past 7 months with United i've earnt 257,912 miles, and spent 120k on upgrades [02:04:29] <jmcp> I bet you didn't have any problems getting them, either [02:05:44] <Doc> getting what? [02:06:22] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [02:06:39] <jmcp> getting upgrades [02:06:44] <nachox> evening people [02:07:01] <jmcp> hi nachox [02:07:26] <Doc> jmcp: sometimes i do, sometimes i dont. i only got one on sunday because i changed flights to an earlier flight that had some available [02:12:58] <hohum> how do I see a list of my current zfs share? [02:12:59] <hohum> s [02:13:11] <jmcp> sharemgr show [02:13:27] <jmcp> or, zfs get sharenfs [02:13:37] <e^ipi> i wonder if national holidays work like religious holidays [02:13:45] <hohum> thanks [02:13:45] <e^ipi> like, could I get canada day and real thanksgiving off? [02:13:53] <e^ipi> if i worked in the states [02:14:47] <nachox> you just started at sun and already want vacations? :) [02:16:04] <e^ipi> no, it's just a thought that came in to my mind [02:18:07] <e^ipi> added bonus, an excuse to use the term 'real thanksgiving' [02:18:49] <hohum> how do I add a user to my opensolaris box :( [02:19:05] <nachox> hmm, useradd? [02:19:05] <e^ipi> 'man useradd' [02:19:16] <hohum> oh [02:19:17] <hohum> duh [02:19:18] <hohum> thankx [02:21:27] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris [02:22:56] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [02:23:21] <donita_dunes> whats a good replacement for nagios? [02:23:30] <hohum> nagios [02:23:34] <donita_dunes> that si free ;) [02:23:51] <hohum> what's wrong with nagios? [02:25:31] <cypromis> zabbix [02:25:45] <cypromis> nagios is a pain [02:25:58] <cypromis> an NMS you need to scribble with for ages to make it do what you want [02:26:06] <cypromis> is a pain system and not a monitoring/management system [02:26:49] <cypromis> so [02:26:52] <cypromis> whats right with nagios ? [02:26:56] <cypromis> zabbix [02:26:57] <cypromis> opennms [02:27:30] <piwi> up.time http://www.uptimesoftware.com/ [02:27:38] <piwi> (but it's not free) [02:28:01] <hohum> if you're going to pay for monitoring software you might as well buy OpenView [02:28:01] *** skillet has quit IRC [02:28:16] <cypromis> no [02:28:22] <cypromis> openview is another pain in the ass [02:28:32] <cypromis> why pay for pain you can have for free ? [02:28:41] <cypromis> OpenView suxx for at least 20 years [02:28:51] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [02:28:53] <balbirs> In the output of prtvtoc I get number of cylinder and the number of accessible cylinder, why 2 of my cylinder is not accessible ? [02:28:56] <balbirs> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1209908 [02:29:02] <hohum> you should cut your wrists, since everything is so hard to you [02:29:07] <cypromis> no [02:29:12] <cypromis> I just use the right tool for the job [02:29:17] <cypromis> instead of running after the crowd [02:29:26] <jmcp> balbirs: I think the original reason was that that was where the heads were allowed to land [02:29:55] <jmcp> balbirs: what you're seeing is standard/normal/expected [02:31:56] *** stevel_ has quit IRC [02:36:41] <nachox> osol-arc is really quiet these days [02:36:47] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [02:38:28] <skullone> zabbix is great for the price [02:38:31] <hohum> how do I stop X from starting by default? [02:39:03] <nachox> svcadm disable gdm [02:39:16] <nachox> or whatever the gdm service is called [02:40:03] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [02:40:36] *** bigjohnto has quit IRC [02:41:03] <TomJ> I wish pkgchck didn't show so many errors in normal operation [02:41:09] <TomJ> *pkgchk [02:44:26] *** steleman_work has quit IRC [02:46:35] <piwi> TomJ: still working on transmission? [02:46:49] <TomJ> Yeah, just made a whole root zone [02:46:57] <TomJ> my normal FLAR is only about 50% of Solaris 10, doesnt have gnome [02:47:01] <TomJ> so I've made a whole root with everything [02:47:04] <TomJ> should be able to build it now [02:47:13] <piwi> have you tried the binary i've posted? [02:47:26] <TomJ> nah I didnt, cos it would require libraries I didnt have [02:47:27] <piwi> [01:46] <piwi> http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/SFE/ has a binary [02:47:30] <TomJ> it should work now though [02:47:31] <piwi> ok [02:47:31] <TomJ> will try in a sec [02:47:39] <TomJ> thanks [02:47:41] <piwi> keep my fingers crossed [02:47:49] <TomJ> thanks :) [02:51:51] *** sah-work has quit IRC [02:52:46] <piwi> would it be an idea to use torrents together with ips? every computer performing an update acts as a node to other computers. a university in the netherlands made this on top of windows http://torrentfreak.com/university-uses-utorrent-080306/ [02:53:02] *** niq has quit IRC [02:53:15] <piwi> could save sun some traffic [02:53:22] <e^ipi> that sounds terrible [02:53:37] <e^ipi> soaking up your bandwidth constantly ? [02:53:40] <piwi> maybe optional / not default [02:54:02] <piwi> rolling out upgrades in your intranet e.g. [02:56:13] <balbirs> in x86 I can create upto 16 slice per disk as per sun documentation, though in interactive 'format' utility I am able to see only 10 slices.. how to make another 6 slice ? [02:56:39] <TomJ> I've never used more than 3, what do you need so many for? [02:57:11] * nachox thinks it's sad that sun requires pgp engrypted mail to security-alert and does not provide at least gpg in solaris [02:57:27] <jmcp> balbirs: just because you're allowed to doesn't mean you necessarily should [02:57:41] <nachox> balbirs, we forgot everything about slices after ZFS :) [02:58:08] <jmcp> exactly! [02:58:20] <jmcp> slices are a pain in the backsize [02:58:23] <jmcp> backside, too [02:58:39] <TomJ> separate /, /usr, /var, /export etc is so passe [02:59:07] <TomJ> even on UFS. wastes so much space. just monitor your disk usage and you won't run out. [02:59:25] <jmcp> make /var a separate ZFS dataset if you must, but otherwise, stop worrying [02:59:34] <TomJ> all my UFS have half of disk for / and the other half for /lu and that's it [03:01:03] <TomJ> did I mention yet that I can't wait for zfs root? [03:01:11] <jbk> who can? [03:01:16] <TomJ> oh yeah, I tatooed it on my thigh [03:01:19] * jbk has been waiting since zfs was released [03:02:08] <nachox> can we do LU like we do it in indiana once zfs is released? [03:02:21] <nachox> once zfs boot is released i mean [03:03:38] *** donita_dunes has quit IRC [03:05:12] <TomJ> yeah with snapshots [03:05:40] <jbk> and the current nevada LU stuff do anything like that (at least do a clean install in an empty dataset)? [03:06:08] <TomJ> ? [03:06:35] <jbk> well the current SXCE builds support zfs root [03:06:43] <jbk> i'm wondering how LU in those works w/ zfs root [03:06:57] <jbk> do you need a separate pool? [03:07:08] <jmcp> jbk: nope [03:07:11] <TomJ> no I think it just uses snapshots [03:07:13] <TomJ> that's what's so beautiful [03:07:14] <jbk> or can you tell it to install into a dataset [03:07:33] <TomJ> you make a snapshot or a clone of rpool and then install into that [03:07:39] <jmcp> see http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/oh_if_only_i_d [03:07:47] <jbk> my boss keeps talking about wanting to be less 'propritary' (moreso in hardware) and wanting to bring in linux [03:07:55] <jbk> so i need to start showing him some goodies [03:08:51] <jbk> one problem i'm running into [03:09:04] <jbk> is their ERP system which runs on top of oracle's ebusiness suite [03:09:07] <jbk> which runs on sparc [03:09:11] <jbk> for testing, they're using v440s [03:09:22] <jbk> and they flat out refuse to tune the sql [03:09:32] <jbk> and so it runs worse on a t2000 than the v440 [03:09:40] <jmcp> I bet they would if they were running it on linux [03:09:42] <jbk> and at that size, there's not much alternative [03:11:14] <Doc> see, that's why linux is better than solaris! [03:11:16] <c00p> anyone had any problems with build 98? I am about to reboot after upgrading my indiana ... [03:11:31] <nachox> jmcp, THANK YOU for that blog post [03:11:37] <jbk> well having had the misfortune of having to deal with linux in a production environment at my last job [03:11:40] <jbk> i _really_ want to avoid it [03:11:56] <jbk> they were trying to do low-latency auto-trading on redhat w/ python [03:12:08] <jbk> you sneezed wrong, and they'd lose a few million [03:12:13] <jmcp> nachox: you're welcome [03:12:17] <lkthomas> WHAT?! [03:12:17] <jmcp> it's *so* much easier [03:12:18] <lkthomas> redhat ?! [03:12:22] <lkthomas> come on [03:12:26] <lkthomas> are you kidding ? [03:12:36] <jbk> i'm not [03:12:58] <lkthomas> I think almost all trading firm using solaris ? [03:13:54] <jbk> well this group came from goldman sachs [03:13:55] <nachox> lkthomas, you're surprised people actually use linux? it's good enough for a lot of workloads [03:14:03] <jbk> and thinks the whole world will be running linux [03:14:15] <lkthomas> hey, don't get me wrong [03:14:24] <lkthomas> linux is not good for heavy loading environment [03:14:28] <jbk> (and that they're god's gift to programmers) [03:14:30] <jbk> no it's not [03:14:36] <jbk> which is why i hated the environment [03:14:53] <lkthomas> I think freebsd is the closest you could get [03:14:58] <lkthomas> BUT [03:15:11] <lkthomas> I don't understand why freebsd got package lost on intel nic card [03:16:07] <nachox> it deppends on the workload, i know some o&g companies that run their simulation software on linux, and that is really heavy processing [03:17:02] <jbk> well i know of an oil and gas company around here [03:17:10] <jbk> that tested their simulation stuff on linux vs solaris [03:17:14] <jbk> and solaris blew linux away [03:17:16] <lkthomas> then ? [03:17:21] <lkthomas> any reports ? [03:17:26] <jbk> this was for them [03:17:30] <jbk> i don't think anything was published [03:17:41] <lkthomas> how much diff between them ? [03:18:02] <nachox> jbk, can you tell what simulation program they used? [03:18:19] <jbk> not offhand [03:18:29] <jbk> this was just told to me offhand by the guy that did the testing, but he wasn't specific [03:18:56] <nachox> jmcp, will solaris 10 use that kind of LU? [03:19:04] <jmcp> with u6, I believe so [03:19:45] <lkthomas> does opensolaris got quality control like solaris does ? [03:19:49] <jmcp> yes [03:20:05] <lkthomas> sometime I am kind of worry using opensolaris on production [03:20:12] <nachox> you shouldnt [03:20:25] <lkthomas> it seems those opensource dude jam the code up together and make a release [03:20:44] <nachox> i'd kill any sysadmin of mine that puts into production any product with only 6 months worth of support [03:20:57] <lkthomas> like what [03:21:05] <nachox> like opensolaris [03:21:27] <lkthomas> well [03:21:30] <jmcp> lkthomas: check the fine print :) [03:21:46] <nachox> just use solaris 10, even more now that it has zfs boot [03:21:47] <lkthomas> if you setup once and never need to touch it, then it is ok [03:21:55] <jmcp> lkthomas: there are serious and rigorous quality + testing requirements before you're allowed to integrate changes [03:21:58] <lkthomas> nachox, hmm [03:22:07] <nachox> but you do need to touch it, you need to patch it [03:22:10] <lkthomas> jmcp, I see [03:22:17] <jbk> moreso for sxce [03:22:34] <jbk> indiana uses a lot of the same bits, but is a bit looser about those bits that aren't in common with sxce [03:22:58] *** otep has quit IRC [03:23:00] <jbk> mostly because those bits aren't ready to be put back yet [03:23:17] <lkthomas> does SXCE consider to be a bit stable than opensolaris ? [03:23:40] <coffman> oh dear [03:23:50] <nachox> hehe [03:24:06] <jbk> well they're largely the same, so the stability issues are going to be around the bits that aren't in common [03:24:46] <jbk> which even there isn't that much of a difference [03:24:47] <coffman> solaris 10 ~ stable, sxce ~ beta, opensolaris 2xxx.xx ~ alpha [03:25:02] <lkthomas> wahaha [03:25:04] <lkthomas> alright [03:25:26] * lkthomas are not going to use alpha system :) [03:25:37] <lkthomas> is* [03:25:43] <jbk> would you use linux? [03:25:56] <lkthomas> hell no [03:26:01] <jbk> oh.. [03:26:02] <lkthomas> depends on what [03:26:14] <lkthomas> for storage server? no way [03:26:20] <nachox> will fastreboot be backported to s10? [03:27:15] <coffman> lkthomas: well if you want to have the latest and greatest features but also a stable system choose sxce [03:27:34] <coffman> lkthomas: every now and then there are releases that are bugfix only [03:28:11] <coffman> wait like 1-2 months after that release and you are good to go if there isnt to much bad speak about it [03:28:48] <nachox> people love crossbow for example [03:28:57] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [03:29:45] *** crichardso has quit IRC [03:30:55] *** benley has joined #opensolaris [03:31:21] <lkthomas> hehe :) [03:32:00] *** donita_dunes has joined #opensolaris [03:32:17] * coffman wants crossbow [03:32:20] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:32:28] * jmcp wants an espresso machine [03:32:35] <nachox> hehe [03:32:53] <coffman> where is dladm create-vnic? [03:32:54] <lkthomas> LOL [03:32:54] <coffman> gar [03:33:33] *** donita_dunes has quit IRC [03:33:47] *** comay has quit IRC [03:33:52] <coffman> man [03:34:01] <coffman> firefox sucks on solaris that bad [03:34:10] <coffman> ffs [03:34:10] <lkthomas> is there have any benchmark shows mysql performance on SXCE compare with linux ? [03:34:11] *** the_unmaker has joined #opensolaris [03:34:22] <jmcp> probably [03:34:23] <nachox> probably... google [03:34:30] <nachox> coffman, why? [03:34:39] <nachox> just use opera :) [03:34:46] <lkthomas> opera is great [03:34:56] <coffman> yeah i know [03:35:06] <the_unmaker> google phone!! oh crap they wana be erricson!1 [03:35:11] <the_unmaker> and verizon [03:35:20] <coffman> fuck google [03:35:24] <lkthomas> is that call google dream ? [03:35:27] <the_unmaker> amen brother [03:35:40] <the_unmaker> g1 [03:35:43] <nachox> yeah, fuck google, but while at it use it :) [03:35:58] <the_unmaker> whats a better search? [03:36:12] <coffman> well, still even googles browser handles flash in the right way [03:36:52] <the_unmaker> er, firefox does as well ? [03:37:06] <lkthomas> coffman, I hope you do know with power of google, they could be able to rewrite photoshop scale application on their own way ? [03:37:13] <coffman> i got xinerama and in firefox flash movies have tearing [03:37:31] <the_unmaker> xinerama eh [03:37:33] <the_unmaker> wazat? [03:37:36] <TomJ> piwi: the Solaris 10 SFE binary was really old (0.8, current is 1.3), and the 1.2 SFE Solaris11 binary wouldn't run due to wrong libcurl version. So I installed Sunfreeware curl and am trying to build, but now get: "configure: error: GNU gettext tools not found; required for intltool" Any thoughts? [03:37:37] *** yongsun has quit IRC [03:37:56] <piwi> no idea [03:38:00] <coffman> well, same problem with firefox and multihead under windows [03:38:37] <coffman> the_unmaker: xinerama is a extension for X and multi head [03:39:41] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris [03:40:00] <skullone> i just used 'malcontent' in a sentence properly [03:40:12] <skullone> woops wrong channel =/ [03:40:35] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [03:41:32] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [03:42:03] *** Doc has quit IRC [03:42:37] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris [03:42:48] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:46:35] <nachox> i thought xinerama was pretty much deprecated by xrandr [03:47:01] *** the_unmaker has quit IRC [03:56:58] <lkthomas> google sucks, yahoo even sucks more :) [04:00:58] <coffman> use http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm [04:01:30] <lkthomas> what is that? LOL [04:01:36] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [04:02:07] <coffman> its an wrapper around google [04:02:35] <lkthomas> they don't seems earn from ads ? [04:02:35] <coffman> to protect your privacy [04:02:40] <lkthomas> how could they make a living ? :) [04:03:50] <cchapman> anyone work with iscsi, zfs, sans, and vmware? [04:03:59] *** Doc has quit IRC [04:04:11] <nachox> benr probably [04:04:18] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris [04:04:35] <coffman> lkthomas: not every one needs to make a living with a website [04:04:53] <lkthomas> it comes with a cost man [04:05:14] <cchapman> i am trying to use zfs/iscsi and connecting it to vmware esx server [04:05:43] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [04:06:38] *** MisfitGeek has joined #opensolaris [04:07:03] <coffman> lkthomas: well. depending on what content i can get mirrors, free hosting, rackspace or free machines in no time [04:07:15] <lkthomas> heh [04:08:04] <coffman> for many universitys over here outgoing traffic is actualy good [04:08:39] <TomJ> piwi: finally got it working :) had to build curl from source [04:09:15] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [04:09:17] <piwi> great to hear [04:09:37] <coffman> nachox: hm is xrandr working with nvidia? [04:09:48] <cchapman> i am trying to use zfs/iscsi and connecting it to vmware esx server, anyone have experience with iscsi, zfs? [04:10:00] *** karrotx has quit IRC [04:10:23] <nachox> coffman, i think so, yes [04:10:27] <coffman> cchapman: you might just as well write down what your problem is [04:10:49] <nachox> coffman, but nvidia has twinview iirc, you can configure it from the nvidia console [04:10:53] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [04:12:20] <coffman> nachox: *sigh* [04:12:43] <coffman> with twinview i have bad tearing [04:12:49] *** MisfitGeek has left #opensolaris [04:13:06] <nachox> well check xrandr... [04:13:19] <coffman> will do [04:14:10] <piwi> TomJ: CLI usable? [04:14:16] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [04:15:23] <TomJ> not so far :( [04:15:30] <TomJ> doesnt seem to connect to anyone [04:15:45] <TomJ> always says 0 of 0 peers [04:15:56] <TomJ> and when I try to telnet to the port it says it is using, it's connection refused [04:16:19] <piwi> :( [04:16:19] <TomJ> I hope it's not being confused by the fact this box has two interfaces, private and public.. thoug of course it can only connect to the tracker via the public interface [04:16:32] <lkthomas> guys [04:16:36] <lkthomas> what company still using AS400 ? [04:17:15] <nachox> lots [04:17:26] <lkthomas> what is the benefit of it ? [04:18:12] <jbk> one place in topeka was as recent as 2 years ago [04:18:28] <jbk> well the supposed benefit (according to the project manager turned CIO) [04:18:41] <jbk> was that they could run OS/400, AIX, and Linux and consolidate all on one box [04:18:48] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [04:18:58] <nachox> backwards compatibility and consolidation are the main benefits i believe [04:19:50] <jbk> of course i'd not be surprised if ibm prices the as/400 like their mainframes (basically grab your ankles and bite down hard on your teeth) [04:20:36] *** cchapman has quit IRC [04:21:09] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [04:22:11] <piwi> TomJ: seems to be a problem: http://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5409&p=26271&hilit=network+interface#p26271 but no answer available [04:24:28] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [04:25:24] <coffman> hmpf [04:25:42] <coffman> xrandr does not see anything else then the notebooks display [04:25:54] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [04:29:49] *** balbirs has quit IRC [04:30:16] <coffman> alanc_away: ping [04:32:32] <TomJ> piwi: hmm, doesnt seem to be the problem.. I removed the private interface so only one NIC remains and same prob :( [04:32:41] <piwi> :( [04:35:57] <TomJ> lsof seems to show that it has no network connections open at all [04:36:03] <TomJ> just a door to name service cache [04:36:42] <piwi> strange [04:38:15] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [04:39:23] <TomJ> truss shows it is in a constant sleep loop, not doing anything [04:39:24] <TomJ> very odd. [04:39:44] <piwi> maybe it's possible to access the binary from the vermillion builds? http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ but i've no idea if it's really inside these packages (the bugtracker says yes http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2242#c3) [04:39:53] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [04:41:16] <piwi> i'm off know, need some sleep (it's 04:41 am over here...) [04:42:27] <TomJ> thanks for your help piwi [04:42:43] <piwi> if it was help at all :) [04:42:50] <piwi> gn8 [04:43:03] *** piwi has quit IRC [04:47:25] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [04:48:49] *** skillet has quit IRC [04:49:45] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [04:51:29] *** kadath has joined #opensolaris [05:01:05] <cchapman> iscsi setup not workin, any takers [05:03:01] <nachox> night all [05:04:16] <e^ipi> cchapman: i'm a giver, not a taker. [05:04:26] * e^ipi just realized that sounded a little gay [05:04:31] <e^ipi> eh, i'm cool with that [05:04:36] <jbk> haha [05:04:53] <nachox> haha [05:04:54] <jbk> now in other channels, that'd go up in the topic :) [05:05:09] <nachox> consider that noobfarmed [05:05:27] *** cypromis has quit IRC [05:06:28] *** jacobs has quit IRC [05:07:37] *** bondolo has quit IRC [05:08:34] <cchapman> ok any givers :^) [05:09:26] <TomJ> when I get a ldd error like: libresolv.so.2 (SUNW_2.3) => (version not found) is there any way to 'hack' it to work. e .g. if the app was looking for libcurl.0.3.so and I had 0.4 I could symlink 0.3 to 0.4 and it might work, but how would I do this for a missing SUNW_ version? is there any way? [05:10:33] <nachox> e^ipi, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1231 :) [05:10:33] *** ePax has quit IRC [05:11:16] <cchapman> anyone have any experience with permissions with using zfs and iscsi? [05:11:24] <e^ipi> remember bash.org? [05:11:28] <e^ipi> those were great [05:11:29] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [05:11:43] <nachox> e^ipi, noobfarm is something like that [05:11:49] <e^ipi> yeah, i can see that [05:12:04] <e^ipi> it's just not the same though :( [05:12:07] * e^ipi misses bash.org [05:14:37] <cchapman> anyone have any experience with permissions with using zfs and iscsi? [05:14:51] *** nachox has quit IRC [05:15:36] <jbk> did it go down? [05:16:03] <jbk> guess so [05:16:04] <YC> They ran out of money or something, yes? [05:16:12] <jbk> i had one quote on there [05:16:24] *** coffman has quit IRC [05:16:46] <jbk> i had to build a robot for my senior project in college (not by choice) [05:16:52] <jbk> actually we had to build multiple ones [05:17:17] <jbk> so i had made a comment about being glad about never having to do that again [05:19:24] <e^ipi> the year before mine, the architecture class had to build a PDP8 out of crap they had lying around the lab [05:19:35] <jbk> that's at least relevant [05:19:55] <jbk> my biggest issue was most of the grade ended up being more of a test of your mechanical engineering skills [05:20:03] <jbk> when you're majoring in computer engineering [05:20:16] <e^ipi> true, but this wasn't an EE class [05:20:33] <e^ipi> when I did it we just did some assembly programming [05:20:40] <e^ipi> oh, this is a second year class, also [05:22:29] *** Genesys has joined #opensolaris [05:24:16] <jbk> heh my microcontroller class was all 65HC11 programming [05:24:23] <jbk> a lot of students had issues [05:24:27] <jbk> it was a breeze for me [05:24:51] <jbk> when i was 11 or so, i had taught myself 65C02 assembly (apple IIe) [05:25:02] <jbk> and the assembly syntax is extremely similar [05:27:09] <e^ipi> i wrote my assignments in that class in C and let the compiler take care of it [05:27:23] <e^ipi> i don't like wasting time [05:27:34] <jbk> haha [05:27:48] <jbk> i don't think there was a free compiler I could find for the HC11 [05:28:29] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [05:28:39] <Genesys> would there be interest in patches to /usr/bin/lastcomm that add the ability to print user, system, and elapsed times (using the same flags as FreeBSD)? [05:31:20] <e^ipi> not if they collide with things that are already there [05:31:29] <e^ipi> other than that *shrug* couldn't hurt [05:32:27] <e^ipi> if you can justify the value of it to ARC [05:34:03] <Genesys> they don't. FreeBSD seems to be the only system that has them. I find it handy to track down offending processes when a user says "the system was running really slow an hour ago. why was that?" [05:34:31] <Genesys> which means it's too late for dtrace, and requires more info than sar stores [05:34:49] <e^ipi> okay, so write that down, and ask arc-discuss for a sponsor [05:34:58] <e^ipi> i can sponsor your putback, but not the ARC case [05:35:19] *** anathematic has quit IRC [05:36:51] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [05:41:32] *** Odin- has quit IRC [05:41:33] <Genesys> thanks for the info [05:44:30] *** capmostar has joined #opensolaris [05:45:50] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris [05:46:06] *** anathematic has quit IRC [05:50:53] *** saTTY has joined #opensolaris [05:50:57] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [05:52:43] *** gm152 has quit IRC [05:52:49] <saTTY> how to configure pppoe in this system ? [05:53:05] <saTTY> anybody here to reply ? [05:53:33] <e^ipi> google://solaris+pppoe [05:53:51] <saTTY> hmm ;) [05:54:16] <saTTY> is there any inbuild software ? [05:54:18] * e^ipi also points at the /topic [05:55:58] *** YC has quit IRC [05:56:14] *** cchapman has quit IRC [05:56:21] <saTTY> e^ipi, thanks :) [05:57:12] *** saTTY has left #opensolaris [05:58:52] *** Genesys has left #opensolaris [06:08:25] *** dnm has joined #opensolaris [06:24:46] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [06:25:57] <cchapman> sq you still here [06:26:01] <cchapman> err saq [06:29:05] *** skillet has quit IRC [06:30:06] <cchapman> jamesd: you available? [06:30:57] *** noyb has quit IRC [06:31:13] *** capmostar has left #opensolaris [06:39:22] *** dnm has quit IRC [06:45:15] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [06:45:55] *** cchapman has left #opensolaris [06:46:25] <Fullmoon> The notion that few people use (Open)Solaris, so open source software compiled under solaris (if it even does) is unstable, is that pure FUD? [06:49:35] <e^ipi> that's mostly just lies [06:49:51] <e^ipi> once you get past the GNU-isms and actually get it compiled, it's fine [06:49:56] *** yoursdai has quit IRC [06:52:15] <Gman> well, there's always truth in most fud - there's a good chance an app on solaris isn't going to get the same testing as other platforms [06:52:29] <Gman> so depending on what interfaces the app has been written to, it could be potentially unstable [06:53:45] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [06:55:21] <e^ipi> hey glynn... raspberry wheat beer, gimmick or tasty? [06:55:42] <e^ipi> i saw a couple in the liquor store a while back and it struck me as the same sort of idea as flavoured coffee ( ie, terrible ) [06:56:08] <jmcp> e^ipi: that'll be like the Chriek Belgian raspberry beer I had once [06:56:17] <jmcp> *definitely* an acquired taste [06:56:20] <Gman> e^ipi: well, there's a famous belgian beer [06:56:21] <Gman> http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/lindemans_framboise.html [06:56:28] <Gman> chriek is cherry, no? [06:56:34] <jmcp> that too [06:56:43] <jmcp> I really didn't like it [06:56:46] <jbk> kriek i thought [06:57:03] <Gman> yeah, kriek [06:57:07] <Gman> http://www.beerparadise.ltd.uk/Belgian%20Lambic%20&%20Fruit%20Beer/ [06:57:38] <Gman> not a massive fan of fruit beers admittedly [06:57:38] *** fr4g has quit IRC [06:58:27] <Gman> get enough fruit in some of the other beers, depending on the yeast used [06:58:30] <jmcp> I had a great Apricot beer from the Main St Brewery in Pleasanton, CA [07:01:12] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris [07:02:06] <e^ipi> i dunno, the concept of fruity beer ... it's not right [07:02:38] <e^ipi> it might be tasty in some of it's forms, i just haven't heard of any that make me want to try it [07:02:54] <Gman> you've not noticed banana or citrus on your palette while tasting normal beers? :) [07:03:11] *** insomnia has quit IRC [07:03:58] <e^ipi> i guess a little ,maybe i'm just picturing overpowering kool-aid or rotten fruit flavour [07:04:16] <Gman> some of them aren't bad - not really a great session beer obviously [07:04:23] <Gman> there's a time and a place for them, imo [07:10:25] <jmcp> mmmmm session beer mmmmmmmm [07:10:39] <jmcp> haven't done *that* for a while :) [07:10:41] <jmcp> :(, rather [07:11:52] <jmcp> Gman: when are you lot gonna figure out how to do the equivalent of an ITU in the binary distro? [07:14:29] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [07:15:20] <ninjaslim> is nexenta basically ubuntu on an opensolaris kernel? [07:15:38] <ninjaslim> does it bare any similarities to solaris in terms of command line and such [07:15:43] <ninjaslim> besides the obvious unix standard [07:15:53] <e^ipi> it fails the unix standards actually [07:16:06] <Gman> jmcp: no idea, probably for caiman-discuss [07:16:40] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: because it's GNU? [07:16:50] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: yes. [07:16:53] <e^ipi> jmcp: rish Taekwondo Union. (I.T.U.). The I.T.U. is the sole body responsible for the promotion and development of World Taekwondo Federation (W.T.F.) Olympic style, Taekwondo within Ireland. [07:17:10] <ninjaslim> i see [07:17:14] <e^ipi> yes. indiana should definately be a part of that. [07:17:28] <jmcp> e^ipi: :-) [07:17:32] <e^ipi> "OpenSolaris: Like a drop-kick to the teeth, irish style." [07:17:59] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: how do you recommend installing SXCE anyway, install everything, then minimize? [07:18:15] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: or install very little and know exactly what packages you need [07:18:41] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: that's the thing, i tried installing the core but it gave me barely antyhing [07:18:49] <ninjaslim> not even standard utilities [07:19:22] <e^ipi> either way works, but SXCE is ~ 4.5 gigs, and at 0.19$/GB, it's worth the dollar to have everything [07:19:34] <ninjaslim> right, but i wouldn't want gnome on my system [07:19:45] <e^ipi> it doesn't do any harm sitting there on disk [07:20:17] <ninjaslim> right but it still bothers me, i'm sorry but i come from BSD land [07:20:19] <e^ipi> but like i said, if you know what you're doing you can start from minimal and work your way up [07:20:44] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: well can you just install packages straight off the cd [07:20:51] <jmcp> ninjaslim: does that stem from the "I have a poorly-figured out nominally philosophical objection to (package X) and I won't use $OS because I can't figure out how to remove it" ? [07:20:53] <e^ipi> yeah [07:21:11] <e^ipi> pkgadd -d . <list of packages> [07:21:14] <e^ipi> *shrug* [07:21:28] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: oh that works, but then you'd have to be careful about dependency resolution though right? [07:21:39] <e^ipi> not really, you just choose "yes" [07:21:52] <e^ipi> the dependencies should be sitting right there on the disk [07:22:21] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: right but what if i install only the core then go on to install X off of the dvd, is X a cluster or i'm not sure how this would work [07:22:39] <jmcp> it's not a cluster all of itself [07:23:03] <jmcp> the installation clusters never really kept pace with common (heck, _useful_) divisions of labour, as it were [07:23:19] <jmcp> which is why we recommend installing everything + kitchen sink, and *then* minimising [07:23:21] <e^ipi> <@e^ipi> but like i said, -->if you know what you're doing<-- you can start from minimal and work your way up [07:23:35] <jmcp> e^ipi: most people, unfortunately, don't [07:23:38] <jmcp> and can't [07:23:47] <jmcp> ninjaslim: sun.com/blueprints, look for JASS [07:23:49] <e^ipi> jmcp: right [07:23:53] <jmcp> or install milax [07:24:03] <jmcp> or binary distro OpenSolaris [07:37:08] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [07:38:29] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [07:42:19] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [07:47:48] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris [07:48:12] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [07:49:06] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [07:56:49] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [07:59:10] *** karrotx has quit IRC [08:03:13] *** Doc_ has joined #opensolaris [08:03:31] *** Doc has quit IRC [08:03:36] *** Doc_ is now known as DOc [08:03:38] *** DOc is now known as Doc [08:14:54] *** anilg has quit IRC [08:17:08] *** dunc has quit IRC [08:17:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [08:19:57] *** MrBIOS_ has joined #OpenSolaris [08:20:04] *** kadath has quit IRC [08:24:32] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [08:24:40] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:25:08] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [08:26:30] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [08:27:02] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [08:34:25] *** whoami08 has joined #opensolaris [08:39:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [08:40:04] *** derchris has quit IRC [08:40:08] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [08:40:15] <trochej> Coffee [08:44:34] *** RealBall has joined #opensolaris [08:46:22] *** kyle__ has joined #opensolaris [08:46:43] <kyle__> hello [08:46:45] <lolmac> hi, kyle__ [08:47:07] <kyle__> hows solaris with wireless?might try it with vmware idk........ [08:47:32] <kyle__> maybe ndiswrapper will work for it do you think, cus it is unix? [08:47:55] <RealBall> u mean opensolaris? [08:47:58] <RealBall> or solaris? [08:48:43] <kyle__> uhh oh im in the opensolaris room hmm isnt the only difference that one can be used as a live cd and stuff? [08:49:48] <RealBall> what a lam3r! there's a ballChalk in this room [08:50:17] <RealBall> kyle__ hell no [08:50:27] <RealBall> opensolaris is not solaris [08:50:44] <RealBall> u want opensolaris with livecd [08:50:46] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:51:16] <kyle__> yeh im looking at the site now......didnt know this.....hmm but it is a good unix os, correct? [08:51:21] *** RealBall is now known as theRealBallchalk [08:52:04] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris [08:52:45] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [08:54:07] <theRealBallchalk> yea i be on it for 3 years [08:58:18] *** theRealBallchalk has left #opensolaris [09:00:19] <kyle__> so i have choice of either open source opensolaris or sun backed solaris 10............which to choose? [09:00:29] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris [09:01:19] <kyle__> guess ill try both.... 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[10:47:35] <Stric> ERROR, "null" is not valid. .. that means that null is not valid [11:04:04] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris [11:04:18] *** yoursdai has quit IRC [11:04:28] <balbirs> how to re-start a service(smf) using svcs in opensolaris ? [11:04:44] <SYS64738> svcadm restart or disable and enable [11:06:40] *** MrBIOS_ has quit IRC [11:07:55] *** whoami08 has quit IRC [11:11:45] *** balbirs has left #opensolaris [11:12:55] *** Dar has quit IRC [11:13:46] <timeless> hello world [11:13:48] <lolmac> hi, timeless [11:13:57] <timeless> my opensol box decided to have a bad day [11:14:13] <timeless> it stopped answering ports and the console wasn't taking input [11:14:16] <timeless> so i had to power cycle it [11:14:29] <timeless> when i booted, i got errors from zfs about failing to mount a bunch of file systems [11:14:37] <timeless> now svcs -x shows: [11:14:37] <timeless> > svc:/system/filesystem/local:default [11:14:37] <timeless> > state: maintenance [11:14:37] <timeless> > reason SMF_EXIT_ERR_FATAL [11:14:52] <timeless> the log says /usr/sbin/zfs mount -a failed: exit status 1 [11:16:14] <timeless> i'm trying to figure out what to do [11:16:56] <Stric> what if you run zfs mount -a ? [11:17:19] <timeless> ~37 lines like: [11:17:36] <timeless> cannot mount 'root_pool/long/path/something-02': No such file or directory [11:17:52] <timeless> where 02 goes from 02 to 25 step 1 or so [11:19:05] <timeless> zfs list shows me a volume which matches the thing it says no such file or directory for [11:20:49] <timeless> zfs get all says.. [11:21:12] <timeless> it's a filesystem, it's not mounted, and has a mountpoint... [11:23:00] <timeless> is there a way to get debug output from zfs mount? [11:23:31] <timeless> oh! [11:23:33] <timeless> hrm, ok [11:23:42] <timeless> there's a symlink at the same place as the mount point [11:25:22] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [11:30:36] <timeless> thanks for listening [11:30:45] *** linma has quit IRC [11:32:50] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [11:33:58] *** RElling1 has quit IRC [11:40:58] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris [11:47:32] *** rrrand has quit IRC [11:51:01] <trochej> timeless: There is a job position at my employee, called "listening developer". Their only job is to listen to other devs talking themselves through a problem. It helps. :) [11:51:40] <purserj> how often does the listening developer commit suicide? [11:53:25] <trochej> purserj: Never. They are being given a free headphnes set. :) [11:54:43] <trochej> purserj: They dont need to really listen, they just need to look ike they do. :) [11:56:02] *** Yorlik_ has joined #opensolaris [11:56:18] <trochej> purserj: It? about looking at you and nodding. :) [11:57:37] *** renihs has joined #opensolaris [12:01:55] <purserj> ah the old smile nod and agree technique [12:06:45] <trochej> :) [12:06:58] <trochej> Works miracles [12:07:13] <PerterB> it's all you need... if someone explains their problem to you, 9 times out of 10 they'll spot the solution before you do [12:14:07] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris [12:15:19] *** photon_chac has quit IRC [12:20:30] *** jayan has joined #opensolaris [12:22:20] <jayan> Hello all [12:22:22] <lolmac> hi, jayan [12:22:51] <jayan> i have a Dell inspiron 1525 and installed opensolaris as only operating system [12:23:25] <jayan> but not able to install the Marvell Yukon Network Controller driver [12:23:54] <jayan> any help will be appreciated [12:26:15] *** yongsun has quit IRC [12:30:21] <jayan> anybody there? 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[13:06:19] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [13:06:45] *** Gekz has quit IRC [13:06:53] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [13:07:44] <Fullmoon> Any way to run windows in a VM under OpenSolaris? VMWare? [13:08:09] <Stric> Virtualbox? [13:08:29] <Fullmoon> xVM Virtualbox? [13:08:58] <TomJ> that's what it's called this week, yes [13:09:06] <timsf> Xen [13:09:28] *** jayan has joined #opensolaris [13:09:34] <TomJ> depends on your requirements, for running Windows as a desktop, i.e. cos you want to run Outlook or somtehing, you'll find virtualbox much more suitable [13:10:16] <jayan> hi all... [13:10:40] <Fullmoon> TomJ: That sounds good, I'll have a look at it :) [13:11:16] <jayan> any suitable driver for Marvell Yukon 80E8840 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Network Controller [13:14:10] <seanmcg> jayan, did you try looking at the www.marvell.com site ? [13:14:38] <seanmcg> there are some solaris drivers downloadable from there. [13:15:46] *** psychonate has joined #opensolaris [13:16:36] <jayan> hi seanmcg [13:16:58] <jayan> actually i have Dell Inspiron 1525 [13:17:18] <jayan> i downloaded 64bit version and tried [13:17:47] <jayan> it was giving me Driver Added sucessfully. But failed to attach [13:19:55] <jayan> Even I downloaded and tried myk driver. but no luck [13:20:46] <jmcp> jayan: that chip isn't supported yet [13:20:54] <jmcp> it's the same chip in my XPS m1530 [13:21:13] <jmcp> despite lots of effort from Masa (and from me to debug it) myk panics with that chip [13:21:17] <jmcp> or hard-hangs :( [13:21:18] <jayan> oops [13:21:20] <jmcp> yah [13:21:23] <jmcp> it's really annoying [13:21:44] <jmcp> I've ended up using the iwk interface, or a usb->ethernet dongle [13:22:07] <Gekz_> pkgsrc looks like an awesome package management solution [13:22:36] <Kimloc> yeah, but there are quite a few problems under sparc :( [13:23:01] <Gekz_> explain [13:23:18] <Gekz_> it also seems to be the best solution for Interix/SFU [13:23:29] <Gekz_> Terminal Services for Unix [13:23:32] <Gekz_> whatever they call it now [13:23:40] <Kimloc> I tried to build a few apps under sol10 (like sendmail and a few errors) and it never worked [13:23:51] <Kimloc> I don't remember the exact error message [13:23:59] <Gekz_> it has binary packages too [13:24:05] <Gekz_> that's probably the best part about it honestly [13:24:10] <Gekz_> multi-platform binary packages [13:24:12] <Kimloc> yeah, but no officials ones for sol10 [13:24:51] <_mary_kate_> Gekz_: just because a package is in pkgsrc, and pkgsrc supports solaris, doesn't mean that package will build on solaris [13:25:20] <Gekz_> I didn't say that it would [13:25:26] <_mary_kate_> i didn't say you said that [13:25:27] <Gekz_> but if there is a binary, then hurray! [13:25:32] <_mary_kate_> i'm explaining why pkgsrc isn't as good as it might appear [13:25:33] <Gekz_> then we are in agreement! [13:25:52] <Gekz_> it fits my needs [13:25:56] <Gekz_> with none of those being sparc [13:25:57] <Gekz_> :P [13:26:35] <_mary_kate_> well, last i saw it, the problems weren't sparc-specific [13:26:54] <Gekz_> _mary_kate_: but but but [13:26:58] <Gekz_> it has binary packages [13:27:08] <Kimloc> building the pakages yourself isn't a problem anyway, but getting them to build correctly is :( [13:27:16] <Gekz_> I'm not sure if another os-portable package management system does that [13:27:26] <_mary_kate_> Gekz_: openpkg [13:27:29] <Gekz_> orly [13:27:43] <Gekz_> is it better or worse than netpkg [13:27:50] <_mary_kate_> (i like the look of openpkg, but i've never tried it myself - unfortunately, like pkgsrc, it doesn't use native packages (rather rpms)) [13:27:59] <Gekz_> rpms ftw [13:28:02] <Gekz_> not. [13:28:02] <_mary_kate_> there's also TWW, but that's commercial (but they do provide native packages) [13:29:07] <Kimloc> btw. what is the recommended third party repository? [13:29:32] <_mary_kate_> if you don't need multi-platform, and you use SXCE, i recommend SFE (spec-files-extra) [13:29:39] <_mary_kate_> (it might work on indiana, but i've never tried it) [13:29:47] *** Gekz has quit IRC [13:30:05] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz [13:30:42] <Gekz> _mary_kate_: how many package managers for Interix exist? [13:31:01] <_mary_kate_> Gekz: i don't know - i used the binary packages from a site i don't remember (iirc it's the company that supports Interix for Microsoft) [13:31:26] <_mary_kate_> here: http://www.interopsystems.com/tools/warehouse.htm [13:31:47] <Gekz> yeah that [13:32:00] <Gekz> but it seems that pkgsrc is a better option in this case [13:32:01] <Kimloc> nice, I didn't know about SFE [13:32:06] <_mary_kate_> they don't have a huge selection of packages, but most of the important stuff is there, and it works well enough [13:32:09] <evocallaghan> Hmm, deb is getting rather good these days with Ubuntu dev pool behind it [13:32:43] <Gekz> it's old though [13:33:26] <evocallaghan> So ? [13:33:44] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: have you got SFE running on Solaris 10? [13:33:47] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [13:34:00] <TomJ> I had a look but seemed like many/most spec files were NV specific [13:34:22] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: they are. i have my own repository for S10 specs (i usually base then on SFE if available) [13:34:25] <Gekz> evocallaghan: I wasnt talking to you [13:34:29] <Kimloc> the website says that it's opensolaris only :( [13:34:29] <_mary_kate_> (actually, two reposities - one for my desktop and one for servers) [13:34:30] <Gekz> you self-absorbed loverboy [13:34:31] <Gekz> ! [13:34:42] <_mary_kate_> Kimloc: i did say "if you use SXCE"... [13:34:43] <evocallaghan> Gekz:You love me really :D [13:34:48] <Gekz> only at night [13:34:49] <Gekz> in secret. [13:34:55] * evocallaghan spews [13:35:17] *** jayan has quit IRC [13:35:36] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [13:35:44] <Kimloc> _mary_kate_: yeah, I know. [13:36:25] <Kimloc> how hard is it to manage your own repository for sol10 and keep up to date? [13:36:35] <_mary_kate_> depends how many packages you need ;) [13:36:35] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: URL? [13:36:38] <TomJ> or private? [13:37:25] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: for desktop: http://www.flyingparchment.org.uk/sys-cgi/viewcvs.cgi for servers: https://fisheye.toolserver.org/browse/wikimedia/trunk/tools/ts-specs [13:37:30] <TomJ> cool thanks [13:41:34] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [13:43:37] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: i've always thought an sfe-like collaborative repository for S10 would be nice [13:51:55] <TomJ> yeah I agree [13:52:10] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [13:53:10] <TomJ> I wonder to what extent it would be possible to have a NV zone in Solaris 10 :) not with the kernel of course, but everything else - libraries, binaries, headers etc. I suppose there would be multiple things that would break because of missing kernel hooks, but I wonder how many [13:54:31] *** airjump has quit IRC [13:55:05] <z1nOnly> hello everyone, i am very new to OpenSolaris, but very impressed with what i seen so far. I have installed OpenSolaris 2008.05 on an AMD64 desktop machine with 2 500GB hard drives. Since only 1 drive can be configured during installation, what would be the recommended method to add the 2nd hard drive using ZFS? Mirror or can i expand the existing rpool? I am trying to read up on ZFS, but have not found answer to my question yet. [13:55:07] <lolmac> hi, z1nOnly [13:55:15] <z1nOnly> hi lolmac [13:55:29] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [13:55:30] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: you need to 'zpool attach' the disk [13:55:33] <TomJ> z1nOnly: zpool attach [13:55:41] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: but first you need to slice it - DONT attach the entire disk, it will not be bootable [13:55:51] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: really? that's a pain [13:56:09] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: yes. caused by the EFI stuff, i think [13:56:13] <TomJ> ok [13:56:32] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [13:58:58] *** Trede has quit IRC [13:59:09] *** calumb has quit IRC [13:59:55] <z1nOnly> is this a good place to start reading about zfs slice? http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide [14:00:24] <_mary_kate_> you don't need a 'zfs slice', just a normal solaris slice. start with the solaris manual on adding a disk [14:00:28] <_mary_kate_> (on docs.sun.com) [14:00:38] *** [jbasse] has joined #opensolaris [14:00:41] <_mary_kate_> but ignore the part where it tells you to newfs the slice, instead you need to zpool attach it [14:00:51] <z1nOnly> thank you _mary_kate_ [14:01:33] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [14:01:43] <TomJ> so when OpenSol installs itself, it will create a s0 that takes the whole disk and then zpool that? [14:02:03] <_mary_kate_> i believe so (never used 2008.05) [14:02:10] <TomJ> (well, probably not the whole disk.. whole disk minus a small boot partition I guess) [14:02:12] <TomJ> thanks [14:02:19] <_mary_kate_> no boot partition required [14:02:22] <TomJ> ah ok [14:02:26] <_mary_kate_> grub loads directly from zfs [14:02:49] <TomJ> so is this 'must be sliced' thing a temporary problem, or will it always have to be like that? [14:05:14] <_mary_kate_> i'm not sure - i don't know where the limitation in booting EFI sliced disks is. might even be the BIOS [14:05:54] <TomJ> ok thanks [14:07:42] *** jbasse has quit IRC [14:08:21] <_mary_kate_> if i connect a mono input device to my stereo mic plug, how do i make OSS treat it as a mono signal? right now it only outputs on the left channel, which is kind of disconcerting ;) [14:09:44] <TomJ> hehe, listen to some early beatles and all you'll hear is the drums, or one singer, or one guitar :) [14:10:49] *** loke__ has quit IRC [14:11:57] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [14:15:20] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [14:21:21] *** dystopia has quit IRC [14:25:25] <z1nOnly> Per the OpenSolaris 2008.05 install docs, "If a second disk is available, you can, after the installed system has been booted, add a second disk to the ZFS pool to create a mirrored configuration. To create a mirrored configuration, use ZFS attach command to add a second disk to the storage pool. For example: #zpool attach rpool c02t2d0s0 c0t4d0s0". My first question, is ZFS mirror configuration similar to traditional RAID 1? [14:28:05] <PerterB> it's a mirror, so exactly like RAID1 [14:29:03] <z1nOnly> PerterB, is there a RAID0 ZFS feature? [14:30:06] <TomJ> yes [14:30:18] <TomJ> RAID0 is the devil's work, though [14:30:30] <TomJ> it is less reliable than a single disk [14:30:54] <TomJ> striping should only be used with mirroring or other redundancy [14:31:05] <TomJ> e.g. RAID10, or you could stripe multiple RAIDZ or RAIDZ2s together [14:34:25] *** tomahasamoot has joined #opensolaris [14:35:28] *** Trede has joined #opensolaris [14:35:49] <z1nOnly> TomJ, would you recommend mirroring for my configuration? How does ZFS handle a failed drive down the road? note: i have not had very good luck with RAID1 on my windows servers. [14:36:44] <TomJ> yes I would recommend mirroring absolutely [14:36:52] <TomJ> mirror everything [14:37:15] <TomJ> I do not have any machine that does not have RAID1 mirrored root drives, except my laptop [14:37:27] <TomJ> and I kinda wish I'd bougth the 17" instead of the 15" Dell, so I could have dual drives in there too :) [14:38:33] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [14:38:45] <tomahasamoot> I just downloaded os200805.iso, and after booting, it asks for a password (wait, I haven't made one yet!), I also don't get any kind of installer or "live" system [14:38:56] <tomahasamoot> what am I doing wrong? [14:39:48] <tomahasamoot> ... oh, I should mention that it says control D will skip the password, but it just askes again [14:40:59] <z1nOnly> thanks to help from _mary_kate_ last week, i know how to list drives, ie iostat -En, but how do i determine information necessary to do the attach? i have c3d0 and c4d0 hard drives listed from my iostat -En. do i enter "zpool attach rpool c3d0 c4do"? [14:42:13] <z1nOnly> tomahasamoot, i do not remember it asking me that. [14:42:50] <_mary_kate_> tomahasamoot: it says "Root password for maintenance mode (or control-d to skip):? [14:43:03] <tomahasamoot> yeap [14:43:15] <_mary_kate_> tomahasamoot: it failed to boot properly. the errors it printed before that should be needed to see why [14:43:31] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: if you run 'zpool status', it should list c3d0s0 in the zpool. you need to attach c4d0s0 [14:43:39] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: (before s0 appears, you need to slice the disk using 'format') [14:45:51] <tomahasamoot> _mary_kate_: I didn' t see any errors... I'll try again [14:46:20] *** tomahasamoot has quit IRC [14:46:36] <z1nOnly> _mary_kate_, thanks. Off to look for how to slice disk with format command. [14:46:47] *** houst0n-_ has joined #opensolaris [14:47:10] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: it's described in the manual i told you about before [14:47:14] <_mary_kate_> z1nOnly: 'Adding a disk (x86)' [14:47:52] <z1nOnly> _mary_kate_, thanks, i am reading now. [14:48:24] *** rareearth has joined #opensolaris [14:49:25] *** Yorlik has quit IRC [14:49:44] *** Yorlik_ is now known as Yorlik [14:49:47] *** Yorlik__ has joined #opensolaris [14:50:36] <Yorlik> Is there a way to get colored directory listings ? I didn't find anything in the ls man pages and "ls --color" doesn't work. [14:50:45] <TomJ> you need GNU ls [14:50:50] <TomJ> it's probably /usr/gnu/bin/ls [14:50:55] <Yorlik> Thanks [14:50:57] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [14:50:57] <TomJ> then --color=auto or something [14:51:00] <TomJ> you can alias that [14:51:08] <TomJ> bear in mind using GNU ls means you can't use ls -v and ls -V to view ACLs [14:51:35] <TomJ> so you might want to create an alias e.g. ll that uses gls but leave ls using normal Solaris ls [14:51:39] <Yorlik> The gnu stuff is in the sfw stuff, right _ [14:51:45] <TomJ> what OS? [14:51:56] <Yorlik> sxce98 [14:52:03] <TomJ> then I think you have /usr/gnu/bin [14:53:03] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris [14:53:06] <_mary_kate_> the GNU coreutils are in /usr/gnu/bin, the other "GNU stuff" (like gcc and gtar) are in /usr/sfw/bin [14:53:22] <Gekz> safe for work [14:53:29] <Yorlik> Awesomeness ! [14:53:30] <balbirs> I ran this command "bash-3.2# svcadm -v restart svc:/network/corpimap/tcp:default" so it restarted my custom corpimap service ? [14:53:32] <Yorlik> Thanks. [14:54:16] <balbirs> I only see a output saying "Action restart set for svc:/network/corpimap/tcp:default" [14:54:41] <balbirs> nothing like legacy rc script.. "restarted, started, failed" [14:55:07] <TomJ> sometimes SMF gives as little info as that too [14:55:13] <TomJ> but it still rocks. [14:55:20] <Yorlik> Mz new favourite aliases are: alias h="ls ~" and alias b="cd ""$""OLDPWD" [14:55:24] <balbirs> hmm [14:55:38] <Yorlik> hopping back home and forth quickly [14:55:55] <_mary_kate_> Yorlik: did you know about 'pushd' and 'popd' commands? they let you move backward/fordward between directories easily [14:56:03] <_mary_kate_> (not available in all shells, though) [14:56:17] <Yorlik> didn't know ... [14:56:20] <Yorlik> Thanks ! [14:56:26] <_mary_kate_> in zsh i use 'setopt autopushd' and it automatically adds a directory to the stack when i do 'cd' [14:56:34] <_mary_kate_> then just 'pd' (aliased to popd) to go back [14:56:58] <xRaich[o]2x> cd - goes back to the last dir as well [14:57:20] <Yorlik> <== still quite a n00b [14:57:23] <xRaich[o]2x> at least in zsh ^^ [14:57:30] *** tomahasamoot has joined #opensolaris [14:58:04] <Yorlik> These little pieces of shell uses are like little dewdrops on a rose in the morning .... :D [14:58:12] <tomahasamoot> _mary_kate_: it says "Consol login service(s) cannot start" [14:59:03] *** houst0n- has quit IRC [14:59:08] <xRaich[o]2x> Yorlik: for the color ls: i have a zsh-skript that checks if the first option is a v or V, if so it uses the solaris ls otherwise gnu [14:59:59] <Yorlik> Nice ! I think I'll just use lv or lV aliases instead [15:00:02] <_mary_kate_> i just alias ls to ls -F [15:00:07] <_mary_kate_> who needs colours ;) [15:00:20] * xRaich[o]2x likes colors [15:00:42] <tomahasamoot> I like colours too [15:00:50] <Yorlik> A little tune being played would be nice as well ... or a bell ringing on every 777 chmodded file [15:01:23] <Yorlik> "ls" as permission sanity checker .... [15:02:06] <balbirs> what is Swind and Rwind in the output of netstat -an, what queue is it ? [15:04:18] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan [15:04:30] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [15:07:03] *** tomahasamoot has quit IRC [15:08:14] <z1nOnly> _mary_kate_, is the correct documentation, just confirming before i proceed? http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/806-4073/6jd67r9hs?l=en&a=view [15:10:33] <z1nOnly> _mary_kate_, s/b "is this the correct documentation".... [15:12:38] *** chendy has quit IRC [15:14:25] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [15:17:51] *** tomahasamoot has joined #opensolaris [15:18:08] <jafari> good morning all, i am using ssh port forwarding to my box at home to view my webpage at work, because it seem as they blocked port 81 from going out, i am using ipnat to redirect port 22 to one box that i am using a service on, there is another abox on my lan that i need to get port forward access to, [15:19:11] <ballChalk> huh? with ssh port forwarding, you connect to localhost and that's it... no ipnat required [15:19:45] <tomahasamoot> so what do I do when the CD doesn't boot? is this a driver problem? [15:20:10] <jafari> ipnat rdr 22 to a box on my lan instead of hitting my router [15:20:36] <jafari> port forwarding works on the first host i hit [15:20:43] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** Stric has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** hali has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** TBCOOL has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** tg has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** Openfree has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** sartek has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** Doc has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** NeZetiC_ has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** timsf has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** jv_ has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** delewis has quit IRC [15:20:43] *** jhfisc has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** zecrazytux has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** Kimloc has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC [15:20:44] *** oxygene has quit IRC [15:20:45] *** twisted` has quit IRC [15:20:45] *** dosiu has quit IRC [15:20:45] *** SplasPood has quit IRC [15:20:45] *** fluffle has quit IRC [15:20:46] *** brendang has quit IRC [15:20:46] *** eryc has quit IRC [15:20:46] *** dennis- has quit IRC [15:20:46] *** FastJack has quit IRC [15:20:46] *** Mazon has quit IRC [15:20:59] <jafari> can i hit another server on my network with port forwarding from the first box back to me at work? [15:21:09] <ballChalk> if you ssh to router, and router can connect to nodea, you can ssh -L69:nodea:22 router [15:21:17] <jafari> these to boxes are running to different service that i need access to [15:21:53] <jafari> i guess i am saying this wrong [15:21:57] <jafari> how we go again [15:22:14] *** brendang has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** NeZetiC_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** zecrazytux has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** jv_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:14] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** jhfisc has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** Kimloc has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** oxygene has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** twisted` has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** dosiu has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** Mazon has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** eryc has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** dennis- has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** fluffle has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** SplasPood has joined #opensolaris [15:22:15] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o brendang [15:22:24] *** tomocha6 has joined #opensolaris [15:22:24] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris [15:22:24] *** TBCOOL has joined #opensolaris [15:22:24] *** hali has joined #opensolaris [15:22:53] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [15:23:14] <ballChalk> you can do ssh -L8080:webserver:80 -L2222:nodea:22 my-router.com and access your web server via http://localhost:8080 and ssh to nodea via ssh -p 2222. isnt this what you're looking for? [15:23:18] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris [15:24:07] <jafari> i rdr port 22 to a lan box so its, ssh from work -> to lan box at home on port 22 -> lan box at home running service on port 81 which is block at work, so i do ssh -X -L 8080:127.0.0.1:81 usr at blah dot com [15:24:29] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [15:24:37] <jafari> there is another service that i need access to on my lan, how can i get to it using port forwading again [15:24:52] <ballChalk> can 'lan box' access 'another service?' [15:25:00] <jafari> yes [15:25:25] <jafari> how can i get from node a to node b [15:25:39] <jafari> and port forward node b service back to work [15:25:40] <ballChalk> use multiple -L statements then. -L 8080:localhost:81 -L localport:another service host:service [15:26:07] <jafari> ah sweet [15:26:20] <ballChalk> once you realize that it doesnt have to forward local only... [15:26:40] * timeless frowns [15:26:50] <timeless> what would cause my root file system to be effectively readonly? [15:27:01] <timeless> i keep trying to write changes to /etc/hosts and similar files [15:27:01] <jafari> what i am trying to do is , i am running samba-swat on node b which is port 901 that is insecure when passwd passwd of the net [15:27:03] *** cypromis has quit IRC [15:27:04] <ballChalk> errors causing ro-remount, not root [15:27:10] <timeless> but if i reboot or something, they get rewritten w/ default values [15:27:11] <jafari> so if i use ssh port forwarding is it secure? [15:27:18] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [15:27:30] <ballChalk> did your changes ever take effect, timeless ? [15:27:39] <timeless> yeah, for a session they do [15:27:58] <ballChalk> jafari: think about the chain.... and come to the conclusion yourself [15:28:42] <ballChalk> "im connecting to local port that's open by ssh. ssh is forwarded from router to nodea. from nodea, it's proxying to nodeb." so you can see where it's secure and where it's not if you think about it.. or something [15:28:53] *** surlyjake has joined #opensolaris [15:29:15] <jafari> so from work how will i do this chain command exactly [15:29:53] <timeless> actually, i'm not sure any reboot was involved [15:30:08] <timeless> i think there's some network service which when started whipes out these files [15:30:16] <timeless> is there something like a dhcp client? [15:30:27] <jafari> ssh -X -L 8080:127.0.0.1:901 user at blah dot com -L 8081:127.0.0.1:901 user at nodeb dot com? [15:30:30] <ballChalk> i've never had trouble with /etc/hosts on nevada [15:31:23] <timeless> it's not just /etc/hosts, i lose nsswitch.conf too (becomes the nsswitch.files file, which is of course very helpful) [15:32:02] <jafari> ballChalk, ? [15:32:15] <ballChalk> no that's wrong [15:32:39] <ballChalk> ssh -L 8080:swat-host:901 user at router dot com [15:32:47] <jafari> right [15:33:19] <jafari> thats for node a [15:33:23] *** [jbasse] has quit IRC [15:33:33] <jafari> now for node b port forward back to work [15:33:39] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [15:33:43] <ballChalk> you're already on node a when you ssh to router.com [15:33:53] <ballChalk> swat-host is nodeb [15:34:21] <jafari> swat-host is node a, apache port 81 is node b [15:34:40] <jafari> port 22 is rdr to swat-host [15:34:46] <ballChalk> ssh -L 8080:localhost:901 -L 8181:nodeb:81 router.com [15:35:00] *** surlyjake has left #opensolaris [15:35:06] * timeless tries to figure out why ssh'ing into this box would be slow [15:35:19] <ballChalk> reverse dns... especially since you're having nss problems [15:35:22] <timeless> telnet swift 22 [15:35:23] *** balbirs has quit IRC [15:35:23] <timeless> SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.1 [15:35:28] <timeless> that part is instant [15:35:36] <timeless> how do i disable the reverse dns part of sshd? [15:35:53] <ballChalk> man sshd_config :P (i dont know off the top of my head) [15:35:59] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [15:36:34] <timeless> VerifyReverseMapping [15:36:38] <timeless> client's IP address to a name. This feature is useful [15:36:38] <timeless> for Internet-facing servers. The default is no. [15:37:44] *** slacker_nl has joined #opensolaris [15:38:33] <jafari> ballChalk, this is sweet [15:39:00] <jafari> damn ssh rules, so question, are all my connection from home to work secure? [15:39:31] *** rareearth has quit IRC [15:39:43] <ballChalk> its relatively secure [15:40:41] <jafari> and passwd passwd from work is encrypted? [15:40:43] <ballChalk> always verify your ssh key thumbprint, use a higher keysize, secure your home connection to prevent points of entry, make sure you're not being keylogged, [15:40:58] <evocallaghan> alanc:Ping [15:41:02] <jafari> ok [15:41:33] <jafari> how does this hop around my firewall like that to node b? [15:41:44] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [15:42:00] <ballChalk> try drawing bubbles so you can see how it's actually done [15:42:11] <ballChalk> a diagram [15:44:34] <jafari> damn ssh is a beast :) [15:46:15] *** rareearth has joined #opensolaris [15:47:06] *** Trident has quit IRC [15:47:17] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris [15:48:37] <jbk> i guess i should ask, is there an easy way to install everything on pkg.opensolaris.org ? [15:50:30] *** Trident has quit IRC [15:53:07] *** sartek has quit IRC [15:53:31] <seanmcg> pkg install * ? [15:53:40] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris [15:55:18] <xRaich[o]2x> seanmcg: don't think so, shell globbing will get in the way ^^ [15:55:25] *** jgracin has quit IRC [15:55:47] <seanmcg> \* [15:56:23] *** physically_fit has joined #opensolaris [15:57:28] *** physically_fit has left #opensolaris [15:57:38] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:58:44] *** Trede has quit IRC [15:59:51] <slacker_nl> does opensolaris also have image which does not include the livecd, but just an install cd/image? [16:02:00] *** Trede has joined #opensolaris [16:05:25] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC [16:05:42] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris [16:06:19] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [16:06:29] <timeless> ok, can this explain where my dns is hosed? [16:06:30] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/542073 [16:09:48] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [16:10:53] <slacker_nl> timeless: see line 136: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [16:13:11] <seanmcg> slacker_nl, the live cd is the install cd [16:13:46] <slacker_nl> seanmcg: i know, but i don't want to run a gui just to install an OS [16:14:23] <slacker_nl> doesn't it have a ncurses ui? ala debian/ubuntu/freebsd? [16:14:37] <seanmcg> nope, not yet [16:14:38] <holcomb> new rule: if you call directories "folders" you should not be a unix admin. [16:15:11] <seanmcg> slacker_nl, it will(should) do when the sparc livecd comes out [16:15:43] <_mary_kate_> slacker_nl: even if it had a text UI, it wouldn't be ncurses - solaris uses System V curses, not GNU [16:16:21] <_mary_kate_> anyway, you should use SXCE if you want a text installer [16:16:53] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [16:16:55] <slacker_nl> thanks [16:16:57] <kohju> FYI > Solaris 10 u6 will ship at mid Oct... new feature http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/whats_new.jsp [16:17:37] <ballChalk> new rule: people who focus on irrelevant things should be shot [16:18:16] <_mary_kate_> kohju: hard to tell what's actually new from that chart [16:18:29] <timsf> What is "Solaris ZFS File System Monitoring Tool" ? [16:18:42] <timsf> 'cause if they mean fsstat, it's for more than just zfs... [16:19:52] <_mary_kate_> timsf: FMA integration maybe? odd phrasing if it is though [16:20:12] <timsf> that'd be "Solaris ZFS File System Monitoring Tool" [16:20:18] <kohju> you can see the u6 new feature , if you select the orange circle at Solaris 10 column in this page [16:20:19] <timsf> oops. copy/paste error on my part [16:20:24] <timsf> "Solaris ZFS integration with Fault Manager" [16:20:34] <_mary_kate_> kohju: yes, but you have to hover over every single circle to find out if it's new in U6 [16:20:45] <kohju> oh, sorry [16:20:46] <timsf> (actually, I'm blaming X and it's oh-so-many-copy-paste-buffers) [16:21:08] <kohju> this site, http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp [16:21:15] <kohju> Note: Solaris 10 10/08 availability is planned for mid October. [16:21:37] <holcomb> yay [16:21:52] *** dystopia has joined #opensolaris [16:22:07] <turtle> heh [16:22:46] <kohju> ZFS Booooooot! supported, U6. [16:23:34] <norman> U6? [16:23:56] <holcomb> update on attach will be nice as well [16:23:57] <kohju> 10/8. [16:24:37] <kohju> i'm looking forward to downloading new Solaris10. [16:27:33] *** syamajala2_ has joined #opensolaris [16:28:15] <turtle> i hope it's not too hard to lu from ufs / to zfs /, i'm dumb and all. [16:28:28] <ballChalk> you're not dumb, just slow [16:29:13] *** golqm-noob has joined #opensolaris [16:29:36] <kohju> ah. i think so, too. [16:30:32] <holcomb> the bits are the same as what's in sxce, if you want to test it out [16:30:38] <holcomb> but no, it's not hard [16:32:34] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [16:33:53] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [16:38:54] *** botox has joined #opensolaris [16:40:06] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:40:13] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [16:40:43] <gerard13> hello all, what's the process of backup/restore a zfs dataset? [16:40:45] <lolmac> hi, gerard13 [16:41:15] <gerard13> even if i use something like Networker, i have to re-create the zfs dataset before restoring? [16:42:32] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [16:47:14] <sickness> gerard13: what's your point? you should recreate the fs even if you were backupping an ufs filesystem with ufsdump... [16:47:36] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [16:49:24] *** syamajala2_ has quit IRC [16:49:45] <gerard13> ok sickness, but what's about zfs properties? [16:50:33] <chonan> sickness: on zfs volume, you can not use ufsdump/restore command. [16:51:10] <sickness> gerard13: so I think the only native way to backup them is to do a zfs send / zfs recv [16:51:29] <sickness> I don't know if other 3rd party backup systems take care of them [16:51:44] <gerard13> but i have to backup on a tape [16:51:54] <sickness> it wouldn't be difficult anyway you just need a zfs get all > sometextfile to take note on them [16:51:56] <chonan> reference to zfs faq: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/faq/ [16:52:05] <chonan> "EMC Networker 7.3.2. backs up and restores ZFS file systems, including ZFS ACLs. " [16:52:08] <sickness> and with a little parsing you could restore them afterwards even for a lot of filesystems... [16:52:42] <sickness> I just do that to backup on tapes, I save the properties on a separate text file and then just use gtar [16:53:59] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [16:54:51] *** anil1 has joined #opensolaris [16:55:12] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [16:55:29] <gerard13> sorry, i don't see the answer, gaim is crashing [16:55:52] <sickness> 16:52 < gerard13> but i have to backup on a tape [16:55:52] <sickness> 16:52 < sickness> it wouldn't be difficult anyway you just need a zfs get all > sometextfile to take note on them [16:55:55] <sickness> 16:52 >> WOpenURL 8 [16:55:58] <sickness> 16:52 >> OpenURL 8 [16:56:01] <sickness> 16:52 < chonan> reference to zfs faq: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/faq/ [16:56:04] <sickness> 16:52 < chonan> "EMC Networker 7.3.2. backs up and restores ZFS file systems, including ZFS ACLs. " [16:56:07] <sickness> 16:52 < sickness> and with a little parsing you could restore them afterwards even for a lot of filesystems... [16:56:08] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [16:56:10] <sickness> 16:53 < sickness> I just do that to backup on tapes, I save the properties on a separate text file and then just use gtar [16:56:13] <sickness> 16:54 -!- gerard13 [n=henry at 147 dot 94.64.14] has quit [Remote closed the connection] [16:56:16] <sickness> </flood> [16:56:21] <sickness> ... [16:57:05] *** Dar has quit IRC [16:57:05] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [16:57:17] <gerard13> sorry, pidgin crashing again [16:57:31] <gerard13> anybody can re-paste the answers? [16:58:07] <sickness> already flooded once =) [16:58:13] <sickness> isn't there a weblog of this channel? [16:58:16] <sickness> URL pleaze =) [16:58:25] <gerard13> in pastebin.ca, sickness? [16:58:54] <Stric> gerard13: http://pastebin.com/maecb2e9 [16:59:12] *** Yorlik has quit IRC [16:59:57] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris [17:00:04] <gerard13> thanks Stric :) [17:00:29] *** twisti has quit IRC [17:01:59] *** IRCMonkey has joined #opensolaris [17:02:05] <IRCMonkey> jcox99 [17:02:35] <IRCMonkey> Would like to know if anyone had a script to check the validity of an lu scripts? [17:03:01] <sickness> oh, are there lu scripts that can be hand made? =) [17:03:03] *** mikl has quit IRC [17:03:11] <IRCMonkey> right [17:03:29] <IRCMonkey> have done that but if script blows up have to remirror [17:03:33] <sickness> gh, didn't know that =) [17:04:31] <_mary_kate_> with disks as big as they are nowadays, does anyone still use the detach,attach method? [17:07:29] *** whoami08 has joined #opensolaris [17:09:40] *** rareearth has quit IRC [17:11:05] *** anilg has quit IRC [17:15:20] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris [17:15:30] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:15:49] *** calumb has quit IRC [17:17:11] *** Zplay has quit IRC [17:17:24] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris [17:19:17] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [17:23:18] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:23:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:25:38] *** davismj1 has joined #opensolaris [17:26:57] *** div8 has quit IRC [17:30:21] *** alka has joined #opensolaris [17:31:44] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [17:32:11] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [17:33:21] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC [17:33:31] *** jfndi_ has joined #opensolaris [17:35:10] *** carl- has quit IRC [17:35:17] *** steleman_work has joined #opensolaris [17:41:22] *** davismj1 has left #opensolaris [17:44:33] <dclarke> question .. what is the implication of having LD_NOVERSION=u imply in an environment. I do notthink I have ever seen that before [17:44:57] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [17:46:53] <sstallion_work> dclarke: thats a new one to me too [17:47:21] <dclarke> if I run "strings" on ldd I wonder if I see it in there [17:47:31] <sstallion_work> man ld(1) doesnt show anything [17:47:51] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [17:47:56] *** phimic has quit IRC [17:48:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [17:48:18] <dclarke> in the back of my head .. I worry that this affects the way ld will choose a library based on SONAME data or some other buried nuance [17:49:32] <dclarke> by the way ... I am seeing this in SchilliX [17:49:39] <sstallion_work> ah [17:49:56] <dclarke> SchilliX 0.6.7 to be precise .. and I wonder what Jorg is up to with that [17:50:00] <sstallion_work> does he have sld? <grin/> [17:50:09] <dclarke> he often knows things that are buried in deep dark places [17:50:25] <dclarke> sort of like .. gollum in Lord of the Rings [17:51:55] *** chonan has quit IRC [17:52:13] <evocallaghan> dclarke:Hello young man [17:52:14] <lolmac> hi, evocallaghan [17:52:18] <evocallaghan> Hi [17:52:18] <lolmac> hi, evocallaghan [17:52:26] <evocallaghan> Hi [17:52:26] <lolmac> hi, evocallaghan [17:52:53] <evocallaghan> for(;;){printf("Hi\n");} [17:54:13] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [17:55:10] *** lolmac was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi) [17:55:11] *** lolmac has joined #opensolaris [17:55:16] <e^ipi> bouncy bouncy [17:55:34] *** e^ipi sets mode: +b lolmac!*@* [17:55:37] *** lolmac was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi) [17:55:48] <evocallaghan> lol [17:56:19] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [17:56:40] <evocallaghan> Just building Xorg 7.4 for solaris [17:57:07] <dclarke> really ? [17:57:09] <dclarke> well done [17:57:11] <evocallaghan> There some ugly automake biz in /usr/bin [17:57:20] <dclarke> I'd love to see *that* as a set of packages [17:57:25] <dclarke> I'll bet [17:57:41] <evocallaghan> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3506 I got a bug report going [17:57:44] * dclarke passes magic amulets to evocallaghan [17:57:58] <evocallaghan> Prob not doing this the correct way. But lets see how this pans out [17:58:03] <dclarke> you have a ton of open bug reports I think :-) [17:58:22] <evocallaghan> dclarke: Quite a few have been fixed [17:58:30] <dclarke> hey .. experimentation and iteration towards solution is always a good way to go [17:58:39] <evocallaghan> For example, my RFE for nwam 0.5 has been done in snv_100 [17:59:54] <evocallaghan> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2900 This one too :p Its been noted in the release notes of 2008.11 [18:00:53] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [18:01:05] <gerard13> is it normal that "zfs list" is very slow on a machine with more than 300+ datasets? [18:01:47] <evocallaghan> gerard13:uname -v [18:01:57] <evocallaghan> I hear that was fixed [18:02:48] <gerard13> Generic_127127-11 [18:02:55] *** z1nOnly has quit IRC [18:03:17] <gerard13> i'm doing a script to do daily snapshots for users dirs [18:03:51] <timsf> Wait till build 100 gerard13 :-) [18:04:39] <gerard13> argh, what wil be the corresponding S10? u9? [18:04:55] *** netj has quit IRC [18:05:08] <timsf> No idea - you could just add SUNWzfs-auto-snapshot to them. [18:05:12] <timsf> No ZFS on s9. [18:05:33] *** rab has joined #opensolaris [18:05:35] <seanmcg> timsf, 'u'9 [18:05:39] <whoami08> u(pdate) 9 [18:05:42] <timsf> Oh. [18:05:45] <whoami08> :) [18:05:57] <timsf> I'd be amazed if we make it to u9. [18:06:15] <seanmcg> theres folks who'd be amazed if we didn't :) [18:09:26] *** photon_chac has quit IRC [18:13:52] *** bakarat has joined #opensolaris [18:14:10] <bakarat> how is dual (or just multiple in general) screen support in opensolaris? [18:15:22] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:15:33] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [18:17:16] <ballChalk> dependent on xorg and your vide ocard [18:17:50] <bakarat> ballChalk: so no more or less of a struggle as it is in linux i take it? :p [18:17:54] * evocallaghan pops out for a bit to eat [18:18:11] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [18:18:18] <ballChalk> depend if you will need dri or whatever... i guess. that kinda sucks... but its pretty much just xorg... [18:18:42] <evocallaghan> Xorg7.3+ makes things such as that a bit better [18:18:47] <bakarat> well i have an ati card in one of my laptops and nvidia in my other computers [18:19:00] <bakarat> it's an INCREDIBLE pain in the ass to set up dual screen on either one of them (all running linux atm) [18:19:17] <evocallaghan> Nvid card should be ok though [18:19:31] <evocallaghan> bakarat:Best thing to do is try it [18:19:47] <bakarat> evocallaghan: i doubt that i can test this in a VM right? [18:19:57] <bakarat> and i don't feel like "testing" on bare metal so to speak hehe [18:19:59] <evocallaghan> No, not for what your asking [18:20:09] <evocallaghan> Why not [18:20:16] <bakarat> cause i have heavily customized most of my computers [18:20:25] <bakarat> and most of my drives are full [18:20:45] <evocallaghan> bakarat; grab a new HDD cost nothing and install on it [18:20:55] <evocallaghan> or use a old disk just for testing [18:21:07] <bakarat> ye maybe hehe :> [18:21:28] <evocallaghan> bakarat:You could also try the OpenSolaris livecd [18:21:37] <evocallaghan> Better use the snv_98 respin [18:21:53] <bakarat> evocallaghan: o yeee, forgot it had a live one :> [18:21:56] <bakarat> good idea hehe :> [18:22:31] <bakarat> btw, how "stable" is zfs these days? good enough for everyday use? :p [18:22:39] <bakarat> (dito for encryption on zfs? :>) [18:22:41] <evocallaghan> OK, I should get some food. As a great robot once said to me, "I'll be back" [18:22:47] <bakarat> hehe :D [18:22:50] <bakarat> okies :) [18:22:56] <_mary_kate_> bakarat: zfs has been in solaris 10 for 2 years, so i'd say it's probably stable [18:23:08] <bakarat> damn time goes by quickly :| [18:23:14] <bakarat> 2 years already? :> [18:23:17] *** m3lling has joined #opensolaris [18:24:42] <whoami08> I heard pos. responses from ppl using it daily (with heavy writes/reads) ; though they say a scrub from time to time doesn't hurt... [18:25:16] *** Yorlik__ is now known as Yorlik [18:27:26] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [18:30:27] * timeless is confused [18:30:42] <timeless> svc:/network/ssh:default is listed as "This service is not running." [18:30:52] *** Openfree has quit IRC [18:30:58] <timeless> but root 2501 1 0 19:27:38 ? 0:00 /usr/lib/ssh/sshd [18:31:01] <timeless> is in the ps output [18:32:32] *** davismj has quit IRC [18:34:37] <_mary_kate_> are you logged in via ssh? that creates sshd processes [18:34:48] <timeless> i logged out [18:34:58] <timeless> i eventually managed to clear/start sshd [18:35:09] <timeless> at that point, there were two sshd's, 2501 and 2509 [18:35:18] * timeless goes back to not understanding routing [18:35:47] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris [18:36:56] <jafari> how do you set a static ip instead of using dhcp? [18:37:22] <timeless> i have /etc/hostname.e1000g0 "swift" [18:37:32] <seanmcg> echo 192.168.foo.bar > /etc/hostname.nicX; rm /etc/dhcp.* [18:37:41] <timeless> then in /etc/hosts i have myip swift [18:37:43] <timsf> or edit /etc/nwam/llp [18:37:49] <timeless> oh, [18:37:50] <timeless> soryr [18:38:34] <jafari> thanks [18:38:44] *** twisti_work has quit IRC [18:39:28] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [18:39:32] <jafari> do see no /etc/nwam/llp [18:39:41] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [18:40:14] <seanmcg> also; svcadm disable nwam; svcadm enable network/physical:default [18:40:39] <jafari> what is nwam [18:40:52] <ballChalk> man !$ [18:41:14] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [18:41:18] <ballChalk> oh burn, theres no manpage [18:41:25] <_setuid_H> Hi guys [18:41:38] <jafari> is that a opensolaris thing? [18:41:52] <_setuid_H> Do I have any chance to connect to eap secured network with ipw3945 driver? [18:42:11] <_setuid_H> There is no other way to connect at our university [18:42:22] <_setuid_H> connection is wired [18:42:52] *** m3lling has quit IRC [18:42:59] <_setuid_H> I downloaded the wpa supplicant but I read that eap works just on ath drivers [18:43:29] <jbk> try nwamd [18:43:52] <timsf> nwam, network auto magic - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam [18:44:11] <_setuid_H> jbk: I know nwam [18:44:15] <timsf> bge0 static N.N.N.N/N [18:44:20] <jafari> thanks [18:44:25] <jbk> that was for ballChalk [18:44:29] <jbk> for a manpage [18:44:34] <_setuid_H> sorry I tought it was for me :-) [18:44:52] <_setuid_H> ballChalk: anyway Hi :-) [18:45:16] <_setuid_H> Strange feeling to download ss-dev in Startbucks caffe :-) [18:46:26] <ballChalk> jbk: thanks. i shoulda man -k'd or aproposed [18:47:30] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [18:49:10] <timeless> ok, it magically worked [18:49:21] <timeless> now i just need to get into my zone [18:50:55] <timeless> oops [18:51:04] <timeless> i bet the sshd i killed was from a zone :) [18:51:07] <timeless> "oops" [18:51:38] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [18:52:33] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [18:54:00] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [18:54:17] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [18:55:02] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [18:56:54] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [18:57:01] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [18:57:03] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris [18:58:22] *** jbasse has quit IRC [18:59:16] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [19:00:28] <_setuid_H> Does anybody have some experience with building freeradius on solaris x86? [19:00:51] <_setuid_H> I'm trying to get some info from google but I found just sparc'like tips [19:01:34] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [19:03:31] *** airjump has quit IRC [19:11:28] <Yorlik> For some odd reason I get a message "not enough memory" when trying to start a simple shell command. The box has no pressure and there should be much memory left, as reported by the monitoring tool i use ... [19:13:28] <e^ipi> does your monitoring tool understand solaris? [19:13:42] <e^ipi> or does it try to use linux nomenclature and fail to error out [19:13:52] <e^ipi> check vmstat [19:14:54] <Yorlik> I monitor the box with vmware esxi which is the base of the box [19:15:07] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [19:15:47] *** jfndi_ has quit IRC [19:16:12] <TomJ> and you're sure esx is able to tell how much memory solaris itself is using? [19:16:14] <Yorlik> Now i can't even ssh into it .. something must be wrong ... time to reboot and dig .. [19:16:38] <Yorlik> Well .. it should .. at least the vmware tools seem to work without any problem. [19:16:49] <Yorlik> And it was reporting even before . [19:16:54] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris [19:16:58] <gnut> hi all [19:17:15] <gnut> would anyone know why using three monitors doesn't give me a problem with xinerama but four does? [19:17:22] <Yorlik> It might be one of my zoners .. I remember one of the apache22s ate some memory for some unknown reason. [19:17:48] *** timsf has quit IRC [19:17:52] <gnut> the last two cards are radeons, and I get an "idle timed out... resetting engine" error all over the place [19:18:07] *** bsmith9 has joined #opensolaris [19:18:14] <gnut> funny thing is... four monitors works partly, in that I can log in [19:18:27] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:18:31] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:18:52] <gnut> then I can see all four monitors, remotely ssh into another machine and even open up xterm remotely.. It's just that when I try to open a specific program (some CAD software) that it just hangs and starts spitting out idle timed out errors [19:19:15] <gnut> this doesn't happen with triple-head [19:19:21] <bsmith9> hi, i'm trying to use hg/nightly to build the latest OpenSolaris code.. and i get TONS of compile errs; references are made to non-existent header files [19:19:36] *** alka has quit IRC [19:19:55] <e^ipi> did you use the wrong environment file [19:20:00] <e^ipi> use opensolaris.sh not developer.sh [19:20:09] <e^ipi> developer.sh assumes you're @ Sun [19:20:12] <bsmith9> yeah, i used opensolaris.sh [19:20:42] <trochej> e^ipi: Where is the file in os2008 that controls global PATH? [19:20:48] <gnut> anyone know why sometimes the real-time clock just stops? and then timing on this machine goes wonky? [19:21:01] <gnut> movies either become too fast or too slow [19:21:17] <bsmith9> i looked in opensol's src browser... and the ref'd header file isn't even in the src base! (I know some headers are built at MAKE-time, but this doesn't look like one of those) [19:22:04] <jbk> bsmith9: what distro? [19:22:12] <bsmith9> os93 [19:22:13] <jbk> opensolaris or sxce [19:22:18] <bsmith9> opensolaris [19:22:26] <jbk> ok [19:22:30] <jbk> let me save you some pain [19:22:41] <bda> That doesn't sound like SOP. [19:22:50] <jbk> this is a bit annoying [19:23:00] <bda> Well... maybe this one time, sir. [19:23:07] <jbk> but you'll need to grab the sxce iso [19:23:10] <jbk> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/building_on/ [19:23:24] <jbk> there are 5 packages off of it you need to install [19:23:42] <bsmith9> which 5 ? [19:23:53] <jbk> read the webpage [19:23:56] <bsmith9> ok [19:24:02] <jbk> it has the details [19:24:20] <bsmith9> so... you're saying one cannot build the OS src using opensolaris (yet) ? [19:25:02] *** ken_ has joined #opensolaris [19:25:06] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris [19:25:15] <jbk> basically in the Solaris_11/Product directory on the image, you do the pkgadd -d . ... [19:26:07] <Yorlik> When I change a setting with zonecfg, e.g. the memory-cap - how is it propagated to the already installed zone ? Just by changing in zonecfg or is something else needed. [19:26:47] <bsmith9> thanks, jbk, re: the build-help; i'll try that [19:27:42] <jbk> i just went through that hell over the weekend :) [19:27:48] <jbk> that will hopefully be everything [19:28:01] <jbk> if not. please let me know [19:28:42] <jbk> i had some additional packages installed for unrelated things prior to building ON, so I have no way of knowing if it might depend upon one of those as well [19:29:45] <jbk> what you're running into has a decent amount of backstory [19:29:45] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [19:29:52] <jbk> before the days of indiana [19:29:55] <jbk> you just had sxce [19:29:56] *** cypromis has quit IRC [19:30:40] <jbk> in fact, sxce = most of the stuff on pkg.opensolaris.org - new packaging system - snap upgrade (beadm) + non-redistributable bits [19:30:45] <jbk> roughly [19:31:35] <jbk> basically the old packaging system (and installer) and some stuff that due to 3rd party agreements cannot be freely redistributed (thus can only be downloaded from sun) -- one of the goals of indiana was to have something freely redistributable, so indiana doesn't have those pieces [19:31:51] <jbk> unfortunately, a few of those are needed to build ON [19:32:03] <jbk> and more in general [19:32:30] <jbk> ON will potentially make use of anything installed in SXCE as part of the build process [19:32:46] <jbk> and there doesn't seem to be good agreement about doing anything about that [19:32:53] <jbk> (as witnessed by very recent discussions) [19:33:07] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [19:33:09] <jbk> basically 'install everything that's in SXCE, or else it's not our problem' [19:33:36] *** Zplay has quit IRC [19:36:31] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [19:38:04] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [19:41:02] <sstallion_work> morning all [19:41:05] *** tomahasamoot has quit IRC [19:41:16] <sstallion_work> afternoon actually [19:41:39] <sstallion_work> meh... the perf library issues on sparc are annoying [19:42:01] <sstallion_work> especially since 90% of what I work on w/ON is on my sparc box [19:43:09] <coffman> i wonder [19:43:47] <coffman> if i do execute live upgrade with pfexec, could that produce problems? [19:44:07] <_mary_kate_> coffman: i can't imagine that it would - what issue are you seeing? [19:44:51] * evocallaghan steps back in [19:45:00] <coffman> well, since lu seems to be a bit ugly mess with some shell script in it... [19:45:32] <coffman> _mary_kate_: im unable to do liveupgrade while my zones are attached [19:46:11] <coffman> and im also unable to delete the old be after live upgrade in a normal undirty way [19:46:15] <evocallaghan> sstallion_work:You ping'ed me ? [19:46:28] <sstallion_work> evocallaghan: I did ? [19:47:21] <coffman> _mary_kate_: its snv_95 to snv_98 [19:47:32] <_mary_kate_> coffman: errors? [19:47:43] <coffman> but i had the same problems on snv_97 to snv_98 [19:47:44] <coffman> sec [19:48:08] <_mary_kate_> did you pkgadd 98's LU packages before you lu'd? [19:48:43] <evocallaghan> sstallion_work:Must have, I had your nick come up on my clients tabs [19:48:52] <evocallaghan> Maybe you /whois me [19:49:32] <sstallion_work> evocallaghan: I might have [19:49:48] <evocallaghan> Oh [19:49:53] *** xinkeT has quit IRC [19:50:09] <_mary_kate_> /whois doesn't notify the person being whoised, usually [19:50:23] <evocallaghan> Does here.. [19:50:32] <evocallaghan> Try me [19:51:13] <coffman> _mary_kate_: it does not seems to have an effect, i did it on the other system, which i lu`d from 95>96>97>98 [19:51:39] <coffman> hence this system has germans locals, but here is a paste anyways http://rafb.net/p/FhjAH844.html [19:52:12] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:52:12] <_mary_kate_> coffman: does your zonepath exist? [19:52:39] *** capaz has quit IRC [19:53:14] <coffman> _mary_kate_: my zonepath is /zones and its there [19:53:33] <coffman> each zone has its own zfs [19:53:53] <_mary_kate_> coffman: can you paste the 'zonecfg -z pmpkg info'? [19:54:07] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [19:54:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [19:54:18] *** twisti_ has quit IRC [19:54:25] *** gnut has quit IRC [19:55:21] <coffman> http://rafb.net/p/YMvVrW54.html [19:55:36] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris [19:59:16] *** infinity_ is now known as infinity1 [19:59:49] *** ken_ has quit IRC [20:00:20] *** ken_ has joined #opensolaris [20:03:21] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [20:04:17] *** sailorvrz has joined #opensolaris [20:04:47] <coffman> _mary_kate_: . [20:06:55] <evocallaghan> Can anyone help me make sense of this zpool status http://rafb.net/p/jF1bsC87.html ? [20:06:57] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [20:06:59] <davismj> hi [20:07:01] <davismj> helpppp!! [20:07:07] <evocallaghan> Hi [20:07:11] * evocallaghan ducks [20:07:21] <davismj> trying to install open solaris [20:07:28] <davismj> and it quits at 28% [20:07:34] <davismj> i have the log ready... [20:07:43] <evocallaghan> How can there be errors in the file "//devices/pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@0" that makes no sene to me [20:07:48] <_mary_kate_> coffman: sorry, no idea what's up there ;( [20:07:59] <davismj> <TRANSFERMOD_E Sep 24 16:21:43> File operation error: [20:07:59] <davismj> <TRANSFERMOD_E Sep 24 16:21:44> Traceback (most recent call last): [20:07:59] <davismj> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/vendor-packages/transfer_mod.py", line 677, in perform_transfer [20:07:59] <davismj> tobj.perform_transfer(args) [20:07:59] <davismj> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/vendor-packages/transfer_mod.py", line 563, in perform_transfer [20:07:59] <davismj> open(fl, "w").close() [20:08:02] <davismj> IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/a/./.livecd' [20:08:05] <evocallaghan> davismj:Is this the repsin ? [20:08:12] <davismj> ya, the 2008.05 bts [20:08:14] <evocallaghan> davismj:Please use a pasting service [20:08:24] <davismj> whats a pasting service [20:08:27] <davismj> :-( [20:08:40] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/paste/ [20:08:50] <evocallaghan> Sorry, I can't spell :p [20:09:00] <davismj> sorry [20:09:10] <davismj> i'm on the live cd too [20:09:15] <davismj> any idea what thats about, though? [20:09:17] <evocallaghan> davismj:So this is the 98 build ? [20:09:29] <davismj> mmmm i don't think so, isn't that 2008.11? [20:09:36] <evocallaghan> Yes [20:09:39] <davismj> neg [20:09:40] <evocallaghan> Download that [20:09:49] <davismj> o.O really? isn't it unstable? [20:10:03] <evocallaghan> OpenSolaris2008.05 is broken broken broken, so bad ! [20:10:11] <davismj> ... [20:10:21] <davismj> then why is it being hosted, hosted, hosted by sun [20:10:26] <evocallaghan> O_o far more stable if you ask me [20:10:36] <evocallaghan> Ask Sun, not me [20:10:42] <davismj> you're not a sun employee? [20:10:55] <davismj> e^ipi: what do you think? [20:11:08] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [20:11:37] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [20:12:06] <evocallaghan> davismj:Grab that http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/info/osol-0811-98.iso.torrent [20:12:21] <coffman> _mary_kate_: thx anyways [20:12:34] <davismj> yea [20:12:36] <davismj> i will [20:12:41] <davismj> i think i have it downloaded already actually [20:12:47] <davismj> _mary_kate_: what do you think? [20:12:51] <evocallaghan> Cool, ok. [20:12:55] <_mary_kate_> davismj: about what? [20:13:06] <davismj> osol 2008.05 stability? [20:13:12] <davismj> or my installation issues [20:13:19] <_mary_kate_> why would i know anything about that? i have never used indiana [20:13:25] <evocallaghan> Everyone here will tell you to use SXCE anyway [20:13:40] <evocallaghan> SXCE is much better as a dev platform [20:14:08] <davismj> sxce? [20:14:18] <davismj> http://rafb.net/p/BXX92R17.html [20:15:29] <evocallaghan> davismj:I think I seen this before somewhere [20:15:33] <davismj> whats the difference between sxce and open solaris [20:15:35] <evocallaghan> How much RAM do you have >? [20:15:38] <davismj> 1 gb [20:15:43] <evocallaghan> ok [20:16:10] <evocallaghan> davismj:You want this as a dev platform right ? [20:16:22] <davismj> not really... [20:16:32] <evocallaghan> Oh ? [20:16:37] <davismj> not at the moment anyway [20:16:37] <evocallaghan> Desktop platform ? [20:16:37] <jbk> i swear [20:16:42] <davismj> ya [20:16:49] <davismj> well, for my laptop [20:16:54] <evocallaghan> Maybe OpenSolaris is better [20:17:03] <Yorlik> Is bunzip2 multithreaded ? I see all 4 core work since I started it ... [20:17:04] <jbk> finger pointing and SEP fields are not the way to go if sun really wants to attract people [20:17:07] <evocallaghan> Grab the 98 spin and let us know how you go [20:17:19] <davismj> 98 as in nevada? [20:17:42] <davismj> 2008.11 is nevada right? [20:18:04] <davismj> sorry about my teh suck questions [20:18:08] <seanmcg> 2008.11 is opensolaris, SXCE is nevada [20:18:16] <evocallaghan> That would be ambiguous to the kernel version on Linux, like 2.6.27 [20:18:32] <seanmcg> 98 is the build which is used in both. [20:18:50] <davismj> okay [20:19:04] <davismj> so -not- os200805.iso [20:19:21] <evocallaghan> correct [20:19:37] <davismj> i will be back [20:19:42] <davismj> i think i have it on my linux install [20:19:45] <evocallaghan> jbk:Don't swear, kids will hear :p [20:19:46] <davismj> gotta get off the live cd [20:19:49] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [20:20:05] <whoami08> Yorlik: pbzip2 is [20:20:13] *** davismj has quit IRC [20:20:47] * evocallaghan loves LZMA [20:20:57] <Yorlik> I like multivitamin applications. [20:21:29] <Yorlik> which compiler do I need for pkgbuild ? GCC ? And how do I get it ? [20:21:40] <Yorlik> OS = nv98 [20:22:15] <jbk> they want people to use indiana, but then they treat it like a red headed stepchild [20:22:20] <evocallaghan> Yorlik:Are you building ON/Net ? [20:22:28] <jbk> and if anyone wants to try to do anything about it [20:22:33] <Yorlik> No. Just want to use SFE and build wine [20:22:37] <jbk> you just get a bunch of finger pointing and 'someone else's problem' [20:22:40] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [20:22:43] <jbk> real good stragety there [20:22:54] <Yorlik> SS12 ? [20:23:15] <seanmcg> SS12 = SunStudio 12, the latest Sun compiler suite [20:23:39] <Yorlik> Yes - but does it work on nv98, and should I use it for SFE / pkgbuild ? [20:24:09] <evocallaghan> jbk:All I can say is this. I have been participating in Indiana and have filed many many bug reports. But I would not give advice to use Indiana to someone if its not the right tool for there job. [20:24:20] <seanmcg> does pkgbuild not specify the compiler in the spec files ? [20:24:21] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [20:24:59] <Yorlik> I used /configure in the folder I downloaded (from the bz2) and it lacked a suitable compiler. [20:25:21] <Yorlik> So I thought I should build pkgbuild first [20:25:26] <jbk> well sun either needs to get behind it or kill it instead of half-assing it (and I'm not referring to the people actually working on indiana, i mean more from a stragey or direction) [20:26:52] <seanmcg> Yorlik, if you're using SXCE, then is /usr/sfw/bin in your path to have gcc ? [20:27:41] <sstallion_work> you know, there are times that dbx just drives me f'n nuts [20:28:05] <Yorlik> seanmcg: Thanks ! There it is ! time to add to my path ! [20:29:41] *** fr4g has quit IRC [20:31:11] <whoami08> sstallion_work: there was a nice thread on comp.*.solaris; some guy wanted a backtrace from a SEGV program; but the printstack() function wasn't really helpful... [20:31:30] <sstallion_work> heh [20:31:40] <sstallion_work> where isnt the most intuitive name ;) [20:32:18] <whoami08> sstallion_work: well I tried to reproduce his problem and also had some fun with dbx... [20:32:30] <evocallaghan> jbk:Your preaching to the quire [20:34:02] <sstallion_work> dbx is a great debugger, it can just be a bit annoying at times ;) [20:40:08] *** derchris has quit IRC [20:40:13] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [20:40:27] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [20:43:01] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [20:43:09] *** anil1 has quit IRC [20:43:25] <asarch> Does OpenSolaris 2008.05 includes OpenOffice.org? [20:43:32] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [20:44:01] <evocallaghan> asarch:Not on CD but you can download it with pkg install openoffice [20:44:06] <Doc> nah.. it includes Microsoft Office instead [20:44:21] <asarch> What's the difference between "os200805.iso" and "os200805g.iso"? [20:44:35] <evocallaghan> asarch:Install OpenSolaris2008.11 instead though [20:44:55] <asarch> I really would like to do it [20:44:57] <asarch> What's the difference between "os200805.iso" and "os200805g.iso"? [20:45:10] <evocallaghan> Just grab http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/info/osol-0811-98.iso.torrent [20:45:21] <evocallaghan> forget about them ISO's [20:45:27] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [20:46:04] <Stric> asarch: the g one is more compressed [20:46:11] <asarch> I can't download torrents. My 2WIRE modem can't handle too many wireless connections and it get disconnected from Internet every ~2 mins [20:46:22] <evocallaghan> oh [20:46:26] <asarch> Thank you very much Stric [20:46:27] <evocallaghan> 1sec [20:47:04] <Stric> asarch: using LZMA (7zip), more is stuffed on the cd, but it might be slower [20:47:22] <evocallaghan> asarch:http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-98.iso [20:48:03] <TomJ> 7zip rocks, I'm glad that's in base now [20:48:14] <evocallaghan> Stric:Some CD drives have problems with LZMA for unknown reasons. But I think its *very* few indeed [20:48:18] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [20:48:22] <davismj> help :-( [20:48:29] <TomJ> a CD drive can have a problem with the data on a CD? [20:48:56] <Stric> sounds weird and unplausible. [20:49:04] <evocallaghan> Booting out of LZMA, I think its got something to do with data rate.. [20:49:15] <asarch> Connecting to genunix.org|204.152.191.100|:80... connected. [20:49:15] <asarch> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found [20:49:15] <asarch> 2008-09-24 13:49:35 ERROR 404: Not Found. [20:49:26] <davismj> evocallaghan: my failed install of 2008.05 took out my old grub info, and i can't launch grub in opensolaris [20:49:27] <evocallaghan> No idea why. sumcheck past [20:49:41] <Stric> asarch: worksforme. [20:50:08] <Stric> asarch: use copy&paste if you "copied" by hand [20:50:34] <evocallaghan> works for me too [20:50:43] <asarch> D'oh! [20:50:57] <asarch> I forget the last "o" [20:51:03] <asarch> ...of ".iso" [20:51:25] <davismj> evocallaghan: any ideas how to restore my grub? [20:51:26] <evocallaghan> davismj:Just do a fresh install of snv_98 it should make a new GRUB menu for you as part of the install [20:51:30] <asarch> Wait a minute. How do you burn a 741M iso image on a 700 CD? [20:51:33] <davismj> snv_98? [20:51:36] <Aria> Overburn! [20:51:39] <Stric> you use an 800MB CD [20:51:51] <asarch> chroot grub davismj [20:51:58] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [20:52:03] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC [20:52:09] <davismj> asarch: <3 [20:52:21] <asarch> Just like Gentoo people do [20:52:25] <davismj> no good [20:52:31] *** stukreit has left #opensolaris [20:52:31] <evocallaghan> davismj:Didn't you want to install the snv98 version over your failed 2008.05 install ? [20:52:34] <davismj> cannot change root directory to grub [20:52:42] <davismj> ya [20:52:50] *** houst0n-_ has quit IRC [20:53:00] <davismj> but i can't mount my linux partition [20:53:10] <asarch> chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash [20:53:11] <davismj> and i can't download 2008.11 onto my live cd [20:53:18] <asarch> Oh [20:53:21] <davismj> and i can't boot into linux [20:53:23] <evocallaghan> davismj:Have you tried just doing a fresh install over the old failed opensolaris2008.05 install yet? [20:53:28] <davismj> ya [20:53:34] <davismj> same thing every time [20:53:36] <davismj> quits at 28% [20:53:42] <evocallaghan> davismj:Oh I see [20:53:54] <evocallaghan> Working on one computer with one HDD :p [20:53:57] <evocallaghan> Bad plan ! [20:54:04] <evocallaghan> Hope you take backups [20:54:15] <davismj> still no luck [20:54:23] <davismj> i can't mount my linux partition >< [20:54:31] <davismj> my best bet is to figure out why my install hangs at 28% [20:54:48] <evocallaghan> pfexec /boot/solaris/bin/update_grub [20:55:07] <davismj> hmm permission denied? [20:55:17] <evocallaghan> Try -R [20:55:37] <davismj> pfexec: permission denied [20:55:43] <evocallaghan> No idea, opensolaris is missing the freaking man page _again_ ;[ [20:56:22] <evocallaghan> davismj:rafb the output of your terminal for me please [20:58:18] * asarch hopes he can use OpenSolaris with QEMU [20:58:39] <Stric> asarch: or virtualbox [20:58:45] <evocallaghan> +1 [20:58:50] <jamesd_Work> asarch: only if you enjoy pain and are very patient [20:58:54] <evocallaghan> 2.0.2 is real nice now [20:59:03] <oxygene> virtualbox is among the slowest emulators for me [20:59:07] <davismj> oh wait [20:59:12] <davismj> i know why it doesn't work [20:59:21] <evocallaghan> Get out of town ! slow in what way ? [20:59:24] <davismj> my linux_swap precedes my solaris partition... [20:59:35] <Stric> oxygene: works just fine for me [21:00:05] <evocallaghan> davismj:Oh good thinking ! [21:00:33] <evocallaghan> vbox has been bloody exellent for me. *very* fast indeed [21:00:44] <evocallaghan> VM of XP boots in 3sec flat ! [21:00:52] <Stric> I think I'm at 7 seconds or so [21:01:19] <TomJ> yeah virtualbox is very impressive for speed [21:01:26] <TomJ> just not so much for other features and for networking in particular [21:01:39] <evocallaghan> That's all fixed up these days [21:01:40] <Stric> shared folders crash my xp guest every now and then :/ [21:01:45] <Stric> (even in 2.0.2) [21:01:53] <evocallaghan> Really !? [21:02:00] <oxygene> evocallaghan: with or without hardware virtualisation? [21:02:04] <evocallaghan> Better report it [21:02:06] <Stric> it just goes "bleh" and scrambles the "screen" [21:02:06] <TomJ> oh I didnt even know 2 was out [21:02:11] <evocallaghan> w/o [21:02:17] <Stric> I'll see what I can find out next time it crashes [21:02:40] *** botox_ has joined #opensolaris [21:02:40] <TomJ> still no USB on solaris hosts? :( [21:02:43] <davismj> when you say boots in 3 seconds [21:02:51] <Stric> I compared with and without hw-virt, didn't see much difference.. [21:02:51] <davismj> you mean xp boots in 3 seconds? [21:02:53] <e^ipi> muh? [21:02:54] <evocallaghan> The only thing that is bothering me is host USB support ! [21:02:54] <Stric> yes [21:02:57] <e^ipi> someone hollah? [21:03:00] <evocallaghan> TomJ:+1 [21:03:02] <davismj> ya [21:03:15] <davismj> e^ipi, i'm having trouble installing open solaris.... [21:03:16] *** botox has quit IRC [21:03:22] *** botox_ is now known as botox [21:03:24] <Stric> davismj: it's at about 7 seconds for me, from me clicking "Start" and I have the desktop [21:03:29] <evocallaghan> davismj:Sure, 3sec ! [21:03:40] <e^ipi> davismj: put in CD. boot. follow instructions [21:04:04] <evocallaghan> ZFS caches the VM into RAM on first boot [21:04:11] <davismj> e^ipi: thanks! that fixed it! [21:04:16] <evocallaghan> So all that IO is out the way its damm fast [21:04:51] <Stric> using next-gen amd&intel hw-virt, it should be faster (nested page tables etc) [21:05:02] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Ping, I said I would :p [21:05:13] <TomJ> Stric: hw virt is not meant to make it faster I believe, in fact it makes it slower I was told. but it is 'more accurate' emulation [21:05:16] <TomJ> I am not entirely sure what htat means [21:05:21] <evocallaghan> Stric:Really :D [21:05:24] <TomJ> but generally they dont recommend it unless you need it [21:05:37] *** davismj has left #opensolaris [21:05:39] <evocallaghan> AMD with DDR3 would be best with all that IO B/W [21:06:06] <TomJ> "Solaris hosts: fixed kernel panic on certain machines when starting VMs with host interface networking" - well thank god they fixed that at least [21:06:08] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [21:06:22] <TomJ> although actually my kernel panic wasnt host networking ,it seemed to be related to a Fixed size disk [21:06:28] <TomJ> drove me mad that one [21:06:32] <TomJ> doesnt even panic, just hard locks the box [21:06:47] <Stric> TomJ: in my tests with amd x2 5200+, it's about the same in vbox.. but due to overhead, hw-virt not as fast as it could be.. which they are fixing in next gen.. just like mmx/sse etc.. [21:06:51] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [21:06:56] <evocallaghan> TomJ:The hw bits came about because of Xen and non para kernels such as NT who refuse to publish a para kernel for Xen [21:07:21] *** davismj has joined #opensolaris [21:07:51] <evocallaghan> +1 for the IOMMU intergration ay lads ! [21:07:53] <ballChalk> on my nevada workstation i run xvm... i wonder how much this is slowing me down with two vms running [21:08:02] <davismj> how do i delete a partition in open solaris livecd [21:08:09] <TomJ> evocallaghan: sure but Virtualbox is not a paravirtualiser.. I mean, it runs without hw virt just like vmware did for 8 years before hw virt came into existence [21:08:12] <Stric> ballChalk: "not much" [21:08:16] <TomJ> so i am not sure exactly what it is used for in virtualbox [21:08:25] <benley> davismj: a dos partition or a solaris slice? [21:08:35] <ballChalk> solaris has tons of awesome features... and each of them only adds "not much" overhead [21:08:36] <davismj> linux-swap [21:08:47] <evocallaghan> TomJ:Correct, that is why I talked about Xen [21:08:48] <benley> davismj: so probably a dos partition, and I think you want to run fdisk [21:09:31] <Stric> evocallaghan: I don't think that cpu vendors implemented various stuff just to please xen [21:09:35] *** Saltsa has quit IRC [21:09:59] <evocallaghan> Stric:No, but it *was* one of the ideas/reasoning .. [21:10:01] <davismj> benley: [21:10:12] <oxygene> TomJ: it's used to avoid the use of the software translator [21:10:16] <davismj> benley: thanks, but how do i discern the attributes of my different partitions [21:10:23] <Yorlik> Woha .. downloading SS12 to my box on a 100M switchport with 79 KBs [21:10:53] <oxygene> TomJ: x86 has a couple of opcode that have a different behaviour in vm86 mode than in ring0, but can't be trapped by hardware. so the software has to do it [21:11:10] <oxygene> TomJ: the virtualization extensions basically fix this [21:11:22] <TomJ> ok, but when is that necessary? [21:11:30] <TomJ> when is the 'different behaviour' a problem? [21:12:15] <evocallaghan> TomJ:Yes, else you have *massive* overhead [21:12:26] <oxygene> TomJ: all the time. actually, for linux there's a patch that fixes it (just 10 lines or so) by avoiding those opcodes. the kernel can then be run in vm86 mode without any opcode parsing [21:12:35] <ballChalk> one thing that's really annoying about virtualbox is how damn long grub takes to load up the livecd [21:12:45] <TomJ> evocallaghan: massive overhead when? [21:13:28] <TomJ> oxygene: ok, but then why is the default in vbox to have hw virt off, and to only turn it on in case of an issue? what 'issue' might that be? [21:13:33] <evocallaghan> TomJ:I believe something to do with ops codes but now we are hitting my knowallge limit on this matter [21:13:59] <evocallaghan> Can anyone help me with my zpool status problem then :p http://rafb.net/p/jF1bsC87.html [21:14:07] <oxygene> TomJ: the thing is, that the virtualbox devs claim that the early implementations of hw virt were slower than their software solution [21:15:46] <seanmcg> ballChalk, its no vbox, it can be slow with a real box too :) [21:15:49] <TomJ> Right ok [21:16:01] <ballChalk> seanmcg: its obscenely slower than any hardware i've used [21:16:05] <evocallaghan> lol [21:16:16] <ballChalk> even slower than a p233 with 128mb ram (i know it didnt boot, but it loaded it faster than vbox) [21:16:47] <seanmcg> ballChalk, could be slow disk too ? [21:16:48] <evocallaghan> Um, vbox has been dam fast here, so I am clueless on what you are on about [21:16:57] <ballChalk> seanmcg: loading an iso from vbox [21:17:04] <evocallaghan> slow IO could be the problem [21:17:05] <ballChalk> the os livecd [21:17:23] <evocallaghan> VM needs lots of RAM [21:17:47] <ballChalk> slow i/o? 3 minutes for grub? of couse its slow i/o, but it's not bound on disk or the host's vm [21:18:06] <evocallaghan> With lots of RAM my guest run faster when install on a ZFS FS [21:18:40] <seanmcg> ballChalk, what evocallaghan said, ram too and how much you gave to the vbox instance [21:18:42] <ballChalk> it's a core2duo 2.0ghz so it shouldnt be /that/ slow. it's the PIO that's killer [21:18:50] *** sailorvrz_ has joined #opensolaris [21:18:51] <evocallaghan> ZFS is cache'ing ahead of the disk IO so that the main bottle neck is out the way [21:19:50] <evocallaghan> If GRUB is taking ages then it _could_ be a bug in GRUB .. [21:20:18] <evocallaghan> GRUB could be using execive op codes that require software emu [21:20:33] <ballChalk> well seroiusly - my test system is vista64 with 3gb ram, loading 2008.05 with 1gb assigned to it, using the iso. idle disk, cpu, and vm - still takes like 3 minutes for grub [21:20:49] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [21:21:15] <ballChalk> just complaining about vbox a bit i guess... [21:21:49] <Stric> then something is wrong, because I haven't been close to that slow on any computer [21:21:59] <evocallaghan> ballChalk:Are you talking about the decompressing of the CD mini root before the kernel has loaded and taken the VM out of 16bit real mode? [21:22:22] <ballChalk> i dont think its decompressing, but yeah - where grub is using PIO to load the boot image [21:22:30] <ballChalk> err, it must be decompressing [21:22:32] <evocallaghan> Hmm [21:23:36] <evocallaghan> yay for DMA :p [21:24:29] <evocallaghan> ballChalk:Well PIO modes require a great deal of CPU overhead to configure a data transaction and transfer the data. [21:24:53] <ballChalk> i know... im just bitching that it takes so damn long compared to everything else... its just irritating [21:25:13] *** MattAFC has quit IRC [21:25:31] <Yorlik> We should all have solaris clusters of Atari64s and Network connection with 1000 serial lines .. Shooting with a pumpgun in the gym hall containing that cluster would probably do nothing. [21:25:34] * Yorlik hides [21:25:57] <evocallaghan> ballChalk:File a RFE/bug then [21:25:59] <benley> atari64? [21:26:05] * Yorlik coughs ... [21:26:23] * evocallaghan falls over [21:26:30] * Yorlik whispers :Maybe Sinclair ZX80s [21:26:53] *** davism1 has joined #opensolaris [21:26:53] * evocallaghan takes out frozen fish .. [21:27:07] <Yorlik> I just remember school when I was writing a symbolic assempler for the Z80 in Basic ... [21:27:51] * evocallaghan when did you get out of that place? [21:28:01] <Yorlik> about 25 years ago ... [21:28:09] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [21:28:10] <TomJ> maybe he means the Atari Jaguar [21:28:12] <TomJ> that was '64bit' [21:28:32] <whoami08> IIRC the first 64bit vidconsole [21:28:33] <TomJ> i.e. it wasnt at all but some tiny part of it had 64bit and 64bit sounded cool, so.. [21:28:36] <benley> the jaguar was a MIPS cpu, wasn't it? [21:28:44] <Yorlik> Some years later I saw a Supercomputer in a rack at university with a disk of maybe 50 cm diameter ... [21:28:52] <Yorlik> That disk was the big version ... [21:28:59] <Yorlik> It could store 2 megs [21:29:02] <TomJ> cant remember what CPU it had [21:29:08] <TomJ> it was a big fat failure, whatever it was [21:29:08] <evocallaghan> MIPS is sick ! [21:29:28] <evocallaghan> Man, would be cool to port solaris to a SGi Fuel workstation ay ! [21:29:45] <Yorlik> My mobile can do more today than a supercomputer 20 years ago [21:30:01] <benley> sgi fuel is a pretty lame workstation [21:30:01] <Yorlik> This is all so mad... [21:30:30] * benley would rather see solaris on ibm risc machines [21:30:57] <Yorlik> Solaris for ENIAC ?? [21:31:04] <benley> (remember when sun's ceo promised that they were going to do solaris for POWER? What ever happened to that, eh?) [21:31:21] <benley> Yorlik: oh come now, they could at least support ILLIAC IV [21:31:51] <evocallaghan> Them Fuel workstations are rad, no idea what your talking about [21:31:58] <benley> s/rad/red/ [21:32:04] <Yorlik> They could port Solaris to this machine: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3 [21:32:04] <whoami08> "Solaris 2.5.1 included support for the PowerPC platform" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(operating_system) [21:32:07] <evocallaghan> red also :D [21:32:19] <benley> whoami08: yep, you could run it on an ibm 43p/140 [21:32:19] <TomJ> imagine doing all that worko n the PowerPC support and then having it dropped in the next release [21:32:44] <benley> TomJ: that happened to the folks at ibm doing os/2 for powerpc too [21:32:47] <evocallaghan> polaris is still around [21:32:54] <evocallaghan> Please *do* get involved [21:33:08] <evocallaghan> I plan to when I get some more time [21:33:18] <Yorlik> Aren't polaris a sort of submarines ? [21:33:28] <benley> what platform(s) is polaris targeting? Anything useful? [21:33:48] *** dunc has quit IRC [21:34:12] <vmlemon_> Solaris for PDP-11! ;) [21:34:18] <vmlemon_> (I doubt that would work, though) [21:34:26] <benley> looks like only the obscure pegasosppc.com stuff [21:35:29] <evocallaghan> vmlemon_: Well these Ti MSP430 MCU's are almost just like a PDP11 [21:35:39] <evocallaghan> Try port solaris to that :p [21:35:57] <evocallaghan> Its 16Bit btw so good luke :p [21:36:09] *** sailorvrz has quit IRC [21:36:44] <vmlemon_> Ugh [21:37:02] * vmlemon_ wonders if someone's attempted to port Solaris to Itanic... [21:37:14] <e^ipi> i've thought of it [21:37:51] <evocallaghan> Here is Solaris for PPC http://svn.genunix.org/repos/polaris/ [21:38:06] *** davismj has quit IRC [21:38:16] <Yorlik> Solaris for http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Boulier1.JPG [21:38:19] <evocallaghan> solaris+water don't mix.. you get SPARC's [21:38:47] <evocallaghan> Yorlik:Seems to be running ok [21:38:48] <davism1> lawl [21:38:59] <Yorlik> :D [21:39:27] <coffman> hmpf [21:39:33] <coffman> fucking lu [21:39:58] <Yorlik> Seems like stopping and resuming a download with suns download manager can speed it up. I wonder if it is looking for mirrors on reconnect. [21:40:29] <Yorlik> My download speed popped up from like 30 kbps to now 400+ [21:40:37] <Yorlik> just be doing a stop resume [21:41:22] <evocallaghan> Yorlik:Pulling your locals DSL phone lines out the local DSLAM speends up Sun downloads too .. [21:41:50] <Yorlik> Its a server in the datacenter ... dedicated 100m switchport [21:44:12] <sommerfeld> Yorlik: if I had to guess: packet loss due to duplex mismatch [21:45:07] <Yorlik> You mean one side full duplex the other side half ? [21:45:10] <sommerfeld> (dedicated 100m switchports tend to be forced to 100/full with autonegotiation disabled) [21:45:11] <TomJ> sommerfeld: you'd put that as a higher chance than "sun's download site being slow" ? :) [21:45:26] <sommerfeld> Yorlik: Exactly [21:45:29] <Yorlik> My NIC is a 1gig NIC, maybe too fast for the gateway [21:45:33] <benley> ugh. Don't turn off ethernet autonegotiation. It's almost never a good idea. [21:45:48] <Yorlik> I didn't change anything. [21:46:00] <sommerfeld> benley: unfortunately it's a cargo cult issue of faith among many datacenter operators to disable autonegotiation. [21:46:06] <sommerfeld> (on the switch side, that is) [21:46:25] <Yorlik> I'll investigate next time I meet that guy. [21:46:38] <benley> sommerfeld: lame [21:46:59] <sommerfeld> benley: yes, very lame. [21:47:05] <benley> sommerfeld: I've run into a few devices that screw up and can't use autonegotiation, but they are few and far between [21:47:24] <sommerfeld> TomJ: if sun's download site were slow, he wouldn't see the speed jump back up to 400+ after he reconnected... [21:47:27] <benley> (the last one was an ibm j40 with a microchannel ethernet board) [21:48:10] <benley> (hooray microchannel, eh) [21:48:46] <sommerfeld> duplex mismatches cause non-congestive ("noise") drops which TCP misinterprets as congestion and it backs off. [21:50:01] <sommerfeld> benley: the operators I've talked to seemed to have psychic scars from switches getting it wrong over 10 years ago. [21:50:24] <Aria> Heh. I HATE that. [21:50:32] <Aria> Old cisco gear got autoconfig wrong [21:50:39] <benley> sommerfeld: so really the problem here is "old people" [21:50:40] <Aria> And I've been fighting it since. [21:51:43] <sommerfeld> benley: except that the virus spreads to new people trained by those old people. [21:51:53] <benley> :-( [21:54:12] <coffman> vmlemon_: i heard that actualy solaris was the first os booting on itanic [21:56:52] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [21:57:26] *** Gman has quit IRC [21:57:32] *** jgracin has quit IRC [21:58:08] <e^ipi> i have no idea how to get at the code though [21:58:51] *** capaz has quit IRC [21:59:30] *** sparkleytone has joined #opensolaris [22:02:08] <TomJ> sommerfeld: I've often seen downloads go faster after a stop/start on various different web sites [22:02:12] *** kRutOn has joined #opensolaris [22:02:14] <kRutOn> Hello [22:03:54] <coffman> e^ipi: solaris itanic? [22:04:14] <kRutOn> Does SXCE come with xVM or do I have to compile it from the EA sources? [22:04:18] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [22:04:33] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [22:04:38] <coffman> kRutOn: it ships with xvm [22:04:55] <alanc> some of the itanium code was integrated into old gates, but was removed before open sourcing - I don't think all of it was ever integrated though, since the itanium port was killed before putback [22:05:15] <alanc> might find some traces in the ON gate for Solaris 8 though [22:05:45] <kRutOn> coffman: Okay, thanks. [22:06:05] <evocallaghan> kRutOn:That stuff is just a GUI frontend [22:06:21] <evocallaghan> alanc:Hi [22:06:52] <e^ipi> alanc: you think they flushed the ia64 port entirely ? [22:07:13] <e^ipi> alanc: or would there be a copy of it somewhere on the bowels of some machine somewhere? [22:07:16] <coffman> i think they put it somewhere save :P [22:07:35] <alanc> e^ipi: I wouldn't be surprised if it's around somewhere, just not in the master gates [22:07:40] <alanc> evocallaghan: hello [22:08:03] <evocallaghan> alanc:Hi man, I am over at #xorg-devel as it would be more on topic there [22:08:29] <alanc> ah, too many channels open, that had scrolled off to the side [22:10:10] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [22:10:41] <evocallaghan> alanc:OK, I can talk here [22:10:50] <evocallaghan> alanc:I am trying to build Xorg 7.4 [22:11:09] <evocallaghan> I got a OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_98 box here x64 Intel [22:11:18] <evocallaghan> alanc:autoreconf: failed to run automake: No such file or directory [22:11:43] *** victori__ has joined #opensolaris [22:11:47] <coffman> ah [22:11:51] <coffman> xorg crew [22:11:58] <coffman> so how about xrandr? [22:12:34] <coffman> i does not see any other ports then my internal display on my b98 laptop with nvidia card [22:12:38] <evocallaghan> I had a few problems with autoconf and aclocal [22:12:43] <coffman> *i/it [22:13:08] <evocallaghan> alanc:I reported them here: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3506 [22:13:23] <evocallaghan> What have you done on your dev workstation that allows it to build ? [22:14:29] <alanc> installed the JDS CBE packages and added /opt/jdsbld/bin to my $PATH, since that had automake/autoconf long before the recent integration to Solaris [22:15:30] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [22:15:30] <evocallaghan> alanc:OK [22:15:51] <evocallaghan> alanc:Well Xorg 7.4 came out today [22:15:55] <evocallaghan> Um yesterday now [22:16:07] <evocallaghan> alanc:Can you resync the changes please? [22:16:27] <alanc> but if you're building from the tarballs, you shouldn't need aclocal or any of that, since the tarballs come with autoconf scripts [22:16:33] <alanc> evocallaghan: you mean our workspaces? [22:16:49] <alanc> I'm working on that - it's a multimonth project, not something I can do in 10 minutes [22:17:20] <evocallaghan> alanc:I am checking in from the hg you provided on the mailing list [22:17:50] <evocallaghan> alanc:hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/fox/fox-7-4-merge [22:17:54] <alanc> I've spent much of this week working through just the 70 patches to the xorg-server alone - I've got the first 15 or so resync'ed to Xorg 1.5 (now 1.5.1), but have a lot left to do [22:18:03] <alanc> okay, then you need to be patient [22:18:15] <alanc> I can't do two months of work overnight [22:18:21] <e^ipi> alanc: why not? [22:18:34] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:+1 lol [22:18:36] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [22:18:44] <evocallaghan> alanc:What can I be doing to help ? [22:18:48] <e^ipi> you should invent a time machine, and then complete it, then go back in time, and deliver it before the upstream does [22:19:02] <alanc> plus there's this little 2008.11 release coming out soon that everyone wants me to work on instead [22:19:41] <e^ipi> with a time machine, that wouldn't be a problem [22:19:45] <evocallaghan> alanc:Oh that.. yea, I had my fair share of reporting as much bugs as I could find to make sure its a nice release [22:19:48] <alanc> keep watching for updates to that hg gate - Jay & Niveditha have been working through the driver updates, I'll push the xorg changes as soon as I can [22:20:02] *** wurlitzer has joined #opensolaris [22:20:18] <coffman> e^ipi: beware of time travel, one little mistake and we all use mac os in the future [22:20:28] <alanc> though I'm really supposed to be fixing the font packages so that the 2008.11 LiveCD can, well, fit on a CD... [22:21:07] <evocallaghan> Gezz, why don't _they_ just say just make it under 1GB and use a DVD as the format [22:21:33] <alanc> too many people without dvd burners [22:21:55] * coffman cries [22:22:03] * evocallaghan cries mroe [22:22:07] <evocallaghan> s/more [22:22:07] <Doc> yeah, because DVD burners are such a new technology [22:22:19] <e^ipi> coffman: if i had a time machine i'd probably just go back in time 1 year and short sell a bunch of financial stocks [22:22:37] <evocallaghan> Do these computers that don't have DVD burns have enoth RAM to run solaris with ZFS root ? [22:22:41] <coffman> e^ipi: i would go back and buy some [22:22:57] <e^ipi> coffman: then to hell with working, i'd spend my time on a luxury yacht that puts dubai to shame with expensive prostitutes [22:23:09] <alanc> won't even mention the machines Sun and Dell sold with CD-only drives in the last year or so, since those are servers, so not really the LiveCD target audience [22:23:34] <coffman> e^ipi: expensive prostitutes in dubai? i can help you with that :P [22:23:52] <evocallaghan> alanc:Anyway.. I want to be getting this Xorg stuff done [22:23:59] <evocallaghan> What can I do *now* to help? [22:24:02] <alanc> I'd blame Gman, since it's a product definition/marketing thing, but he's not here, so it's no fun [22:24:18] <evocallaghan> Indeed [22:24:25] <coffman> gman is to blame? [22:24:28] <coffman> good to know [22:24:33] <evocallaghan> lol [22:24:50] <alanc> we've got a long tradition in this channel of blaming Gman, even when he had nothing to do with whatever went wrong [22:25:01] <e^ipi> alanc: first it was stevel [22:25:05] <coffman> i know [22:25:06] <e^ipi> alanc: but he doesn't work here anymore [22:25:07] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [22:25:26] <e^ipi> alanc: also, s/even/especially [22:26:01] <evocallaghan> Have you seen how many missing man pages there are in OS O_o http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3581 [22:26:30] <coffman> sun marketing should visit hacker conferences and see what there target people look like [22:26:42] <e^ipi> yes! except not marketing, engineering [22:26:46] * e^ipi wants to go to defcon [22:26:57] <coffman> e^ipi: defcon is for kids [22:26:58] <ballChalk> how come people talk about zfs like you cant run it on anything but big systemes? doesnt it use a proportion of the ram, according to its size? [22:27:19] <e^ipi> ballChalk: 100% is a proportion... [22:27:22] <coffman> e^ipi: come to the ccc congress in berlin [22:27:27] <e^ipi> coffman: even better [22:27:50] <alanc> coffman: well, if Gman counts as marketing, I saw him at OSCON this summer - is that close enough to a "hacker conference"? [22:28:12] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [22:29:25] <coffman> we had a conference 5.-7. sept in darmstadt/germany 320 people, over 70 lectures and 1 gig uplink to the internet [22:29:43] *** Saltsa has joined #opensolaris [22:29:48] <TomJ> ballChalk: if you have 1gb of ram you should be able to use it fine [22:29:52] <TomJ> though 2 is better [22:30:14] <coffman> oh, schilly hold a lecture and ulrich graef from sun germany [22:30:33] <TomJ> but I dont think of 2gb as a 'big system'. 4gb is standard on a new system, these days. at least a new system purchased by a techy [22:30:42] <coffman> alanc: well, i dunno, it might be to big or so (oscon) [22:32:08] <e^ipi> zfs or no, 1gb ought to be considered the minimum required to run solaris [22:33:26] <coffman> alanc: i simply dont know any techies that have no dvd burner [22:34:01] <coffman> and if china or india is the target, i dont know what you expect from there [22:34:32] <alanc> coffman: I don't really know, ask marketing what they're thinking [22:35:26] <e^ipi> s/china/romania ? [22:35:57] <Pietro_S> is there plan for some celebration on svn_100? [22:36:05] <e^ipi> Pietro_S: i'm going to get drunk [22:36:07] <e^ipi> but that's unrelated [22:36:15] <coffman> heh [22:36:59] <coffman> well, i would love to see some solaris releated stuff on the ccc congress [22:37:04] <Pietro_S> e^ipi: I'll probably too and also unrelated, but it could be nice excuse to get drunk ;-) [22:37:17] <coffman> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/ look there and put in a paper [22:37:31] *** wurlitzer has quit IRC [22:37:37] *** whoami08 has quit IRC [22:38:00] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: is OpenSolars 2008.05 and so on Unix or is that GNU-based as well? [22:38:13] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Your not already .. Gezz, let me get you a bear ;) [22:38:30] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: assuming you fix the $PATH it should be okay [22:38:38] <evocallaghan> s/beer [22:38:46] <evocallaghan> Wish I would stop doing that [22:38:49] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [22:38:54] <e^ipi> has anyone actually run the tests on indiana yet? [22:39:07] <evocallaghan> test == ? [22:39:25] <e^ipi> the OpenGroup UNIX(R) tests [22:39:37] <evocallaghan> Oh [22:39:40] *** rrrand has joined #opensolaris [22:40:13] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Getting it to boot with a fully working desktop has so far failed on a few boxes here. So it failed that test [22:40:33] <e^ipi> not really what i was asking about [22:40:58] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Um .. joke .. [22:44:34] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [22:46:52] *** MadHag has joined #opensolaris [22:47:40] <MadHag> is there a driver for the Marvel Yukon network card, I just installed opensolaris but have no net access [22:48:11] <coffman> MadHag: i dont think there is one shiped [22:48:20] <MadHag> luvly :) [22:48:28] <coffman> MadHag: but there is one from marvel and one opensource [22:48:39] <coffman> ill run the opensource driver on my laptop [22:48:45] <coffman> works oki [22:48:54] *** derchris has quit IRC [22:48:56] <MadHag> ok, will try marvel, thanks [22:49:09] <MadHag> os detects it ok [22:49:43] <coffman> MadHag: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ is the opensource driver [22:50:45] <MadHag> thanks [22:51:02] <coffman> btw, is the skge gld3 complaint? [22:51:29] * coffman wants dladm create-vnic so bad [22:53:09] *** lahmnia has joined #opensolaris [22:53:26] <MadHag> NOTE: This driver doesn't support marvel yukon PCI GbE controllers [22:53:34] <MadHag> thats mine :( [22:54:20] *** johannes has quit IRC [22:54:20] <MadHag> 8056 [22:54:51] <coffman> MadHag: na [22:55:02] <coffman> MadHag: yours is a pci-e controller [22:55:21] <coffman> so your good [22:55:44] <MadHag> oh, says here that it is a gigabyte ethernet controller [22:55:58] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris [22:56:00] <e^ipi> bit. [22:56:09] <MadHag> yeah, sorry [22:56:19] <coffman> MadHag: only pci controller does not work [22:56:24] <coffman> MadHag: not pci-e [22:56:33] <MadHag> 88E8056 [22:56:47] <MadHag> ok, will give it a whirl, thanks [22:57:02] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:57:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [22:57:47] <jbk> hey glynn [22:58:01] *** gdamore1 has quit IRC [22:58:24] <MadHag> brb, in opensolaris hopefully [22:58:25] <Gman> hi jbk [22:58:30] *** MadHag has quit IRC [22:58:59] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [22:59:12] <jbk> how are you today? [23:02:07] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [23:05:05] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [23:07:12] *** jbasse has quit IRC [23:07:52] <sstallion_work> afternoon guys [23:08:14] *** crichardso has quit IRC [23:08:14] <e^ipi> howdy [23:08:57] <sstallion_work> how goes it ? [23:10:12] <e^ipi> s'alright [23:10:12] <e^ipi> you? [23:11:25] *** davism1 has quit IRC [23:11:59] *** coffman has quit IRC [23:13:00] <jbk> hey sstallion_work [23:13:05] * jbk is just a bit frustrated [23:14:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [23:14:15] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: it goes... spent most of the day in dbx [23:14:19] <sstallion_work> heya jbk, whats up ? [23:14:54] <jbk> not much [23:14:57] <jbk> just work [23:15:05] *** dunc has quit IRC [23:15:16] <jbk> and dealing with what feels like tunnel vision [23:15:26] <sstallion_work> migraine ? [23:15:30] * sstallion_work gets those [23:15:31] <jbk> no [23:15:51] <jbk> on os-code [23:15:56] <sstallion_work> ahh [23:16:21] <sstallion_work> which thread ? [23:17:05] <sstallion_work> nevermind, i found it [23:18:16] <sstallion_work> jbk: if it helps, i completely agree... libpq is a bit of a strange dependency. onnv should be much more self-contained (with the exception of tooling) [23:18:25] <sstallion_work> freebsd went through this many years ago (i.e. getting rid of perl) [23:18:46] <sstallion_work> part of the problem is that ON is more than just uts [23:18:53] <jbk> it'd be nice if others who felt the same way would speak up [23:18:56] <sstallion_work> IMHO it should be broken apart [23:18:58] <jbk> well fbsd is more than just the kernel [23:19:00] * e^ipi speaks up [23:19:10] <sstallion_work> jbk: I'm not on the list, but I will be [23:19:12] <e^ipi> what am i agreeing to? [23:19:24] <jbk> but i think it's almost laughable that you need a webserver and a database installed to compile the core os [23:19:44] <sstallion_work> uts does a good job of being self contained, but I don't think cmd and friends have as much discipline [23:20:12] <jbk> you need postgres and apache [23:20:39] <sstallion_work> not for uts [23:20:40] <jbk> those two are the ones i think really don't belong, the rest of them are more reasonable (though i could see being on the fence for needing the NSPR stuff) [23:21:07] <sstallion_work> dunno, I understand what james is saying, bit the gate *really* needs to drop some deadweight [23:21:14] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [23:21:19] <sstallion_work> a full uts build is bad enough... all of onnv takes hours [23:21:40] <sstallion_work> and shouldnt libpq belong to the sfw consolidation ? [23:21:58] <jbk> well i just dislike the 'SEP field' and the 'well even though we're pushing opensolaris heavily, we don't support building it's pieces on itself, therefore any concerns about it are irrelevant' [23:22:15] <jbk> it's things on ON that require libpq [23:22:27] <jbk> i don't believe libpq is actually in ON [23:22:38] <jbk> specifically libmms i believe links against libpq [23:22:51] <sstallion_work> libmms ? [23:22:53] <jbk> the fault management stuff links against the net-snmp stuff [23:22:59] <e^ipi> jbk: clearly the solution is to make libpq part of ON then ;) [23:23:07] <jbk> hell [23:23:23] <sstallion_work> meh, i'm still irked that intrd is a f'n perl script [23:23:31] <jbk> let's thrown in firefox, openoffice, tcl, haskell, scheme, and everything else we can find [23:24:10] <TomJ> what is SEP field? [23:24:32] <jbk> it was really 'look, through many 3 hour runs of nightly, we have this list now, is there any way an effort could be made to keep it up to date so people don't have to go through that pain or just give up' [23:24:34] <sstallion_work> TomJ: Some one Else's Problem [23:24:37] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [23:24:38] <TomJ> ah [23:24:38] <jbk> 'someone elses problem' [23:24:40] <sstallion_work> (Adam's reference) [23:24:45] <sstallion_work> Adams rather [23:25:01] <e^ipi> i'm of the opinion that ON should be uts, and things that absolutely depend on being built with uts ( libc ) [23:25:04] * TomJ notices a suspicious looking extra moon [23:25:06] <e^ipi> everything else is shovelware. [23:25:12] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: cmd as well [23:25:29] <sstallion_work> net tends to rely very heavily on ON [23:25:30] <e^ipi> does cmd need to be built with uts ? [23:25:46] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: think of world vs. kernel in freebsd [23:25:49] *** sailorvrz_ has quit IRC [23:25:53] *** noise-control has quit IRC [23:25:54] <e^ipi> or can it live outside on it's own release schedule ( given flag days like "need ON99" ) [23:25:56] <sstallion_work> world is essentially libc, cmd, and net bits [23:26:00] <sstallion_work> net cannot [23:26:13] <sstallion_work> its tied to uts in a huge way [23:26:17] <evocallaghan> What's the command to try a driver again ? [23:26:19] <sstallion_work> think about it [23:26:25] <sstallion_work> evocallaghan: update_drv <driver> [23:26:27] <evocallaghan> i something.. [23:26:30] <evocallaghan> oh thanks [23:27:02] <sstallion_work> it its not attached to anything, you will need to use add_drv -i '"<alias>"' <driver> [23:27:12] <sstallion_work> i.e. add_drv -i '"pci10ec,8029"' re [23:27:15] <sstallion_work> (yes the quotes are important) [23:27:37] <evocallaghan> yea I know that one, thanks [23:27:59] <evocallaghan> For some reason I was thinking insmod (Linux) :p [23:28:19] <evocallaghan> I'm just reading the man page on update_drv [23:28:27] <e^ipi> all that stuff you know about linux? yeah, forget that... [23:28:36] <e^ipi> trepanation would be a good start, but that gets messy [23:28:42] <evocallaghan> If I have a driver to test on my desktop for a Xorg bit of hardware [23:29:04] <evocallaghan> By doing update_drv does this copy the file to the _right place_ and then load it ? [23:29:05] <sstallion_work> evocallaghan: is it an X11 driver? [23:29:13] <sstallion_work> evocallaghan: no [23:29:24] <evocallaghan> Yes its a Intel GPU driver [23:29:47] <sstallion_work> if its X11 then you don't need to use *_drv... [23:30:03] <evocallaghan> OK, what do I do then ? [23:30:17] <sstallion_work> lets back up :) [23:30:21] <sstallion_work> what kind of a driver is this ? [23:30:41] <evocallaghan> As I said, a Intel GPU driver for Xorg [23:31:11] <sstallion_work> read your Xorg documentation [23:31:40] <sstallion_work> (I ask because there is an actual nvidia driver) [23:31:44] <evocallaghan> Niveditha sent it to me for testing [23:31:48] *** psychonate has left #opensolaris [23:31:57] <evocallaghan> What Xorg docs? [23:32:16] <evocallaghan> Note there bad docs [23:32:27] <evocallaghan> If you can even find docs on there wiki [23:32:38] <sstallion_work> alanc would be able to help you much better than I could [23:33:07] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [23:34:25] <alanc> to install an Xorg driver, copy it into the directory and restart Xorg - no update_drv needed [23:34:42] <evocallaghan> I sent a email off asking [23:35:07] <alanc> for 32-bit drivers, /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/ - 64-bit drivers, /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/amd64 [23:35:19] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [23:35:43] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [23:36:57] <evocallaghan> alanc:OK thanks [23:38:41] *** jafari has quit IRC [23:38:48] <evocallaghan> brb [23:40:38] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [23:42:24] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [23:42:29] <sstallion_work> alanc: speak of the devil ;) [23:43:12] <e^ipi> who's the devil now? [23:43:15] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [23:43:28] <e^ipi> not a very nice thing to say [23:43:32] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: alanc of course! [23:43:34] <e^ipi> unless you're at a heavy metal concert [23:43:42] <e^ipi> in which case it's a pretty high compliment [23:44:00] <sstallion_work> jbk: give up and wander off yet ? [23:44:22] <jbk> still have 15 minutes [23:44:36] <sstallion_work> well... what are you thinking WRT osol-code ? [23:45:15] <sstallion_work> plocher had a reasonable response I thought [23:45:26] <jbk> well unless others want to start chiming in, i'm not sure what can be done -- there's a ticket to create a group for the packages that are known currently [23:45:34] <jbk> but it no one else wants to cooperate [23:45:53] <jbk> then it's a matter of waiting until a new integration breaks things by requiring something else [23:46:06] <jbk> figuring it out, then updating the group [23:46:16] <jbk> and hope it doesn't cause people pain in the meantime [23:46:45] <sstallion_work> honestly, I would rather see on-gate be slimmed [23:46:58] <sstallion_work> once its slimmed and the bldenv is simplified, it should be trivial to compile that list [23:47:15] <jbk> since apparently requiring such things just to build the 'core' OS doesn't seem to strike anyone else as strange or unreasonable [23:47:15] <sstallion_work> or at the very least, make it self-sufficient [23:47:40] <sstallion_work> jbk: its mostly likely because not enough people build ON [23:47:52] <sstallion_work> at least by non-traditional means [23:48:09] <jbk> i would think making things more accessable by non-sun people would be encouraged [23:48:17] <jbk> and lowering the barriers to entry [23:48:22] <e^ipi> jbk: i may regret this suggestion later, but might it be worthwhile to see what the smallest chunks of ON we can build in a useful way are? [23:48:34] <alanc> ON has never been self-contained (libm has always been an outsider that ON depended on) and has needed bits from SFW since long before OpenSolaris (libxml for one) [23:48:43] <e^ipi> id est, pare it down so that uts builds by itself, and then think carefully about what else to shovel on top, and how? [23:48:48] <jbk> and since sun is pushing indiana as the vehicle for doing that [23:49:00] <jbk> you would think that there would be interst in making it able to compile itself [23:49:10] <e^ipi> jbk: i'm interested... you're interested [23:49:11] <jbk> i'm not even as concerned about the self-contained bit [23:49:21] <e^ipi> so let's just do it [23:49:26] <alanc> yes, that's a separate bug that needs to be fixed [23:49:41] <jbk> i just wanted 'look, we've identified these packages, let's try to keep these up to date in a way that doesn't break things' [23:50:11] <alanc> we get to see our VP's at our all hands telling us all the engineers should be running OpenSolaris, but they haven't quite gotten the engineers to do the work to make that possible [23:50:52] <jbk> but also just wanted to know if anyone is even thinking about 'should ON really require postgres and apache and nspr just to build it?' [23:51:11] *** asarch has quit IRC [23:51:16] *** luc^ has quit IRC [23:51:23] <jbk> 'maybe that's an argument for putting it in another consolidation' [23:51:56] <alanc> nspr is going to be a tough one, since I think the LDAP backend for nsswitch needs it and the nsswitch interfaces are private [23:52:04] <jbk> i mean, what would happen if something in ON needed ot link against an openoffice library or a firefox library? [23:52:13] <jbk> well actually i think the nspr one might go away [23:52:17] *** postwait has quit IRC [23:52:24] <jbk> istr talk of switching to the openldap library [23:52:38] <jbk> assuming that it's put into ON and doesn't draw in anything else [23:53:01] <jbk> but ok, it does, but really are the questions being asked [23:53:08] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [23:53:25] <jbk> but why do i need a webserver installed to build an operating system? [23:53:45] <jbk> doesn't that seem like perhaps that should at least invite greater scrutiny? [23:54:00] <sstallion_work> nspr deps. are floating around *everywhere* [23:54:11] <jbk> heh [23:54:27] <jbk> i know more about nspr (and it's certificate management) than I ever wanted to learn :) [23:54:28] <sstallion_work> IIRC openoffice carries around its own nspr version (as well as firefox etc.) [23:54:45] <jbk> and sun's ldap server (pre opends) [23:56:09] <jbk> i mean i know at least a few times in the past week, people have been wanting to build ON and are running opensolaris [23:57:30] <jbk> 'it's not supported' isn't really a good answer [23:57:48] <e^ipi> yeah, i'd think it'd be a pretty high priority to get the non-redistrib repo up, and a on-build-tools metapackage up [23:58:01] <sstallion_work> meh [23:58:07] <sstallion_work> I'm still not overly happy with indiana [23:58:10] <jbk> well at least for the redistributable bits, i don't think it should be too much to get the metapackage created [23:58:34] <jbk> but it's what sun is pushing, so at least make it usable for that they're pushing it for [23:58:56] <jbk> 'do developement on opensolaris (indiana)' 'oh, but not that development!'