[00:00:09] <grabby_singleman> whats that for?
[00:00:10] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: does that actually work anywhere except bash? :)
[00:00:16] <_mary_kate_> grabby_singleman: don't print a newline
[00:00:23] <e^ipi> man ksh
[00:00:24] <TomJ> oh, maybe not
[00:00:39] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: i guess you mean ksh93, because it doesn't work in ksh88
[00:00:58] <e^ipi> that too
[00:01:05] <grabby_singleman> mabe zsh ahs a cool new way
[00:01:09] <e^ipi> either way, the ksh man pages are entire "how to program in shell scripts" guide
[00:01:17] <_mary_kate_> the cool new way is to use printf instead of echo
[00:01:21] <grabby_singleman> shell scripting rules
[00:01:29] <grabby_singleman> esp since its only programming I know
[00:01:38] <grabby_singleman> when i do loop with loops inside i feel like god
[00:01:48] <TomJ> I was bowled over yesterday when I learn't from gisburn that ksh93 has some primitive OOP stuff
[00:01:50] <e^ipi> easily satisfied then i guess
[00:01:59] <e^ipi> TomJ: and complex number support!
[00:02:19] <grabby_singleman> why doesnt someone like hack tcl to use all the unix functions
[00:02:26] <grabby_singleman> and use tcl
[00:02:27] <grabby_singleman> and be done
[00:02:32] <e^ipi> because why would they?
[00:02:35] <_mary_kate_> what does 'use all the unix functions' mean?
[00:02:36] <TomJ> there is/was a ksh93 extension that uses TCL
[00:02:38] <TomJ> looks abandoned though
[00:02:43] <jbk> because then you'd be using tcl :)
[00:02:50] <grabby_singleman> then you have all the progrmaing language thingies like loop n hashes n stuff
[00:03:11] <TomJ> grabby_singleman: ksh, bash and zsh have 'loops and hashes n stuff' already
[00:03:13] <grabby_singleman> like people use shell because tcl can't do low level shell stuff right?
[00:03:24] <grabby_singleman> ...
[00:03:33] <grabby_singleman> <-----could be mistaken of course
[00:03:38] <e^ipi> grabby_singleman: not only does ksh93 have access to the unix functions... it implements them...
[00:03:48] <grabby_singleman> i meant the reverse
[00:03:53] <e^ipi> $ cat --version version         cat (AT&T Research) 2006-05-17
[00:03:55] <grabby_singleman> tcl cant I dont think
[00:04:06] <_mary_kate_> grabby_singleman: what is 'low level shell stuff'?
[00:04:08] <e^ipi> cat is a shell function, not a seperate program...
[00:04:25] <grabby_singleman> like whatever u use the shell for, looking at processes, mounting unmounting, blah
[00:04:32] <TomJ> grabby_singleman: 'running programs'
[00:04:35] <grabby_singleman> but if tcl could import those functions
[00:04:44] <grabby_singleman> then your login shell could eb tcl eh?
[00:04:45] <TomJ> you mean a shell is a command interpreter and tcl is a programming language
[00:04:45] <_mary_kate_> grabby_singleman: you mean running programs?  tcl supports that
[00:04:46] <grabby_singleman> be-
[00:04:57] <_mary_kate_> start tclsh and type 'ps', it works fine
[00:04:59] <TomJ> I am sure TCL has a way to exec a binary
[00:05:37] <TomJ> incidentally the fact that a shell is a command interpretator is a reason why its syntax is so horribly convoluted, and uses more punctuation than.. a thing that uses a lot of punctuation
[00:05:55] <TomJ> they cant just add new keywords cos it might already be a program on some system
[00:06:10] <grabby_singleman> ok
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[00:06:15] <grabby_singleman> so i could learn tcl
[00:06:21] <grabby_singleman> and
[00:06:26] <grabby_singleman> then forget bash?
[00:06:35] <e^ipi> you can learn ksh and then forget bash
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[00:06:42] <e^ipi> that's what I did
[00:06:49] <grabby_singleman> can I like write scripts to ssh to remote boxes with a key setup and colect info?
[00:06:53] <TomJ> You'll want a shell in all scenarios, grabby_singleman
[00:07:10] <grabby_singleman> as in not tclsh?
[00:07:11] <e^ipi> grabby_singleman: yes, why not?
[00:07:15] <grabby_singleman> ok
[00:07:16] <grabby_singleman> cool
[00:07:25] <grabby_singleman> cuz tcl is supposed to be nice
[00:07:26] <e^ipi> ksh93 has xml support
[00:07:28] <e^ipi> for some reason...
[00:07:45] <grabby_singleman> xml i heard is the work of the the great cthulhu
[00:08:00] <e^ipi> eh, people slag on xml but it's not really that bad
[00:08:13] <e^ipi> heh
[00:08:18] * e^ipi just remembered
[00:08:27] <grabby_singleman> its funny apache wicket web framework says " a refreshign lack of xm'" as a feature
[00:08:30] <e^ipi> for kicks, roland wrote a twitter update script in ksh93
[00:08:45] <grabby_singleman> but ksh doesnt have all the power of tcl right?
[00:09:06] <e^ipi> like what exactly?
[00:09:13] <TomJ> I think Roland's working on implementing Solaris in ksh93
[00:09:20] <e^ipi> christ, roland wrote a mandelbrot viewer in ksh93
[00:09:31] <e^ipi> you can do pretty much anything in that shell, no matter how absurd it is
[00:09:32] <grabby_singleman> how about a webserver
[00:09:35] <grabby_singleman> ;)
[00:09:45] <e^ipi> don't tell roland, he'll do it to prove a point
[00:09:48] <grabby_singleman> ksh dynamic pages!
[00:09:52] <grabby_singleman> lol
[00:09:57] <grabby_singleman> YEAH!
[00:10:23] <grabby_singleman> I mean its all an interpreter and little c program anyway these days right? thats all perl or ruby is?
[00:10:34] <grabby_singleman> interpreter +small c bits
[00:10:36] <e^ipi> he'd probably do it all in ksh
[00:10:39] <e^ipi> no C bits
[00:10:51] <e^ipi> aside from the shell itself
[00:11:05] <e^ipi> IIRC it's got sockets
[00:11:07] <grabby_singleman> well as soon as you have loops conditionals and hashes i mean
[00:11:18] <e^ipi> so, 1988 ?
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[00:11:26] <e^ipi> or 1979 i guess
[00:11:33] <e^ipi> *69
[00:11:42] <grabby_singleman> then soem way of writing procedures than can be called from toplevel
[00:11:52] <e^ipi> done.
[00:12:06] <grabby_singleman> can it use the async c libs?
[00:12:22] <grabby_singleman> whats taht thing that abstracts unix sockets? netcat?
[00:12:24] <edgy> Hi, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/6mhm8o60c?a=view talks about "Boot Parameters Menu" what's this? I cannot initiate it in solaris?
[00:12:43] <e^ipi> grabby_singleman: no, ksh.
[00:12:56] <alanc> edgy: that's Solaris 9 and earlier - pre-GRUB
[00:13:12] <alanc> (well, Solaris 9, and Solaris 10 before S10U1)
[00:13:23] <grabby_singleman> netpipes rather
[00:13:36] <edgy> alanc: ah! thanks a lot
[00:13:37] <grabby_singleman> ksh hm
[00:13:50] <grabby_singleman> bash is sorta my littel friend
[00:13:50] <e^ipi> grabby_singleman: gisburn <-- next time you see him on, ask him about all the gory details
[00:13:57] <grabby_singleman> ok
[00:14:15] <TomJ> he's nrubsig at the moment
[00:14:18] <e^ipi> all I know is that ksh93 lets you do absurd perverted things with your shell
[00:14:40] <grabby_singleman> hm
[00:14:43] <TomJ> he's got a ksh93 bot now
[00:14:48] <TomJ> that's the one that uses OOP
[00:14:52] <grabby_singleman> did he write the pkg program for opensolaris?
[00:15:03] <TomJ> well, probably one of the ones that uses OOP
[00:15:17] <e^ipi> grabby_singleman: no, that was stephen hahn among others
[00:15:25] <e^ipi> if roland wrote it, it'd be in ksh, not python
[00:16:24] <TomJ> so erm.. why python and not C?
[00:16:34] <e^ipi> good question
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[00:16:41] <e^ipi> ...
[00:16:46] <TomJ> yeah thought it might be..
[00:16:48] <TomJ> oh well.
[00:16:59] <e^ipi> probably because it's fast to write or something
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[00:18:08] <grabby_singleman> python!! I keep hearing about python
[00:18:20] <grabby_singleman> or course smalltalk and lispers say its not all that
[00:18:33] <grabby_singleman> and haskellers seem hapy with thier creation
[00:18:50] <e^ipi> yeah, all three of them...
[00:18:56] <tsoome> :D
[00:19:31] <grabby_singleman> someone made a joke about how they should never all fly together in case plane goes down
[00:19:52] <grabby_singleman> no one seems to like perl anymore
[00:20:04] <TomJ> ugh.
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[00:21:19] <e^ipi> i use perl a lot actually
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[00:29:03] <edgy> I was asked if a new disk is added and I want to know it's physical address should we use probe-all or show-devs?
[00:29:14] <edgy> I thought both would do, no?
[00:30:19] <TomJ> lacking OBP, I've always just done some combo of cfgadm -al , devfsadm -v and format
[00:30:49] <TomJ> if you've already rebooted it should just show up, if not and it's a hot swap drive then cfgadm and devfsadm should show it
[00:30:54] <jmcp> edgy: if you're at OBP, then setenv auto-boot?=false ; reset-all ; probe-scsi-all
[00:31:01] <jmcp> if you're in Solaris,    cfgadm -lav
[00:32:27] <edgy> TomJ, jmcp: this is an exam question, so I should either of those answers
[00:32:56] <jmcp> another is "format < /dev/null"
[00:32:58] <edgy> I just passed the exam with a good score
[00:33:00] <TomJ> I'm no fan of sysadmin exams
[00:33:15] <edgy> TomJ: me either ;)
[00:33:33] <TomJ> I really don't care if an admin knows the commands by heart, I just want him to get the job done.  if he's a good admin he'll find the answer and learn it soon enough
[00:33:45] <TomJ> if he's a bad admin, it wont matter if he's memorised a bunch of commands, he'll still be a bad admin
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[00:34:37] <edgy> TomJ: I agree and this is also why I believe redhat exam is a better indication than scsa
[00:35:28] <TomJ> why's that?
[00:35:49] <edgy> TomJ: because it's practical not multiple choice confusing questions
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[00:36:06] <TomJ> fair enough
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[00:45:48] <edgy> I don't have a obp to test but on the Internet most docs speak about probe-scsi-all and very few mentions probe-all, is threre really a probe-all command?\
[00:46:50] <edgy> TomJ: cfgadm gives me Configuration administration not supported
[00:50:58] <TomJ> maybe it only works on certain controllers, like hotswappable ones
[00:50:59] <TomJ> I'm not sure
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[00:58:52] <jmcp> edgy: are you root when you run cfgadm -lav?
[01:11:18] <edgy> jmcp: yes
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[01:12:39] <edgy> TomJ: yes seems it's for certain hardware
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[01:22:24] <TomJ> edgy: i guess hardware that has nothing to configure can not be used with it, i.e. a basic IDE interface
[01:22:35] <TomJ> maybe a basic SCSI interface too
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[01:24:04] <bildwi> hi
[01:24:11] <bildwi> how do i change my username on irc again?
[01:24:27] <Aria> "/nick"
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[01:24:49] <bildwi> o, kk thanks... i knew that... haha just haven't been on irc for a while
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[01:25:10] <willbill> hi im willbill :)
[01:25:22] <e^ipi> we can see that.
[01:25:29] <willbill> haha.
[01:25:42] <willbill> i love solaris.
[01:25:46] <willbill> and sun products.
[01:25:51] <willbill> i cant code yet.
[01:25:55] <willbill> but i want to learn how.
[01:26:02] <willbill> i am going to get a java tutor.
[01:26:14] <willbill> do you guys know of any good online java classes?
[01:26:20] <willbill> does sun offer any?
[01:26:48] <e^ipi> just read the java tutorials
[01:27:01] <willbill> on java.sun.com?
[01:27:07] <e^ipi> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/
[01:27:13] <willbill> oh kk thanks.
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[01:27:50] <Maimere> this tutorial rocks.. and I just started reading it yesterday (!)
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[01:28:31] <willbill> cool
[01:28:35] <willbill> i am going to learn java
[01:28:41] <willbill> possibly code it
[01:28:48] <willbill> i dont know what i would make
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[01:28:54] <willbill> maybe an online game
[01:28:57] <willbill> a simple one
[01:29:00] <willbill> idk
[01:29:11] <willbill> start out simple
[01:29:25] <e^ipi> okay, don't need the play by play
[01:29:29] <e^ipi> just read the tutorial
[01:29:37] <Maimere> a cellphone game would be great
[01:29:47] <asyd> s 13
[01:29:48] <asyd> oups
[01:29:53] <e^ipi> intriguing ... PSARC 2008/382 Fast Reboot
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[01:32:10] <jbk> i saw some mention of that a long time ago
[01:32:35] <e^ipi> i just heard about it
[01:32:38] <jbk> i believe the idea is to load a new kernel into memory and run it without the usual self tests/post/etc.
[01:32:45] <e^ipi> yes, so it would appear
[01:32:50] <TomJ> I want a x86 system with 1TB ram pls
[01:32:58] <e^ipi> TomJ: so buy one
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[01:33:14] <e^ipi> but why x86?
[01:33:26] <TomJ> tahts' what it says in the PSARC
[01:33:32] <TomJ>  Idont really care what it is if it has 1TB ram
[01:34:42] <e^ipi> M9000 supports up to 2TB
[01:35:15] <e^ipi> and 128 CPU cores
[01:35:35] <_mary_kate_> solaris is so mainstream nowadays... get a superdome instead
[01:37:04] <willbill> wgat is PSARC
[01:37:10] <willbill> is it a kind of sparc?
[01:37:25] <TomJ> it's a sparc for dyslexics
[01:37:46] <_mary_kate_> willbill: PSARC is one of sun's architecture review committees
[01:37:59] <_mary_kate_> it reviews changes to solaris before they get committed
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[01:38:09] <willbill> 1 TB of RAM costs like $100k
[01:38:13] <willbill> ohh
[01:38:24] <hile_> only 100k?
[01:38:32] <willbill> is M9000 a processor architecture?
[01:38:34] <willbill> Ok, more
[01:38:37] <willbill> :)
[01:38:47] <willbill> 1 GB is already like $50
[01:39:09] <willbill> So 50 x 2000 = 100,000
[01:39:17] <willbill> but a computer that can handle more ram
[01:39:19] <willbill> would cost more
[01:39:23] <TomJ> ya think?
[01:39:26] <willbill> lol
[01:39:28] <willbill> i am sorry
[01:39:32] <willbill> i am brainstorming
[01:39:33] <_mary_kate_> i doubt you can buy an M9000 for less than $1m
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[01:39:41] <willbill> is it a supercomputer processor?
[01:39:42] <_mary_kate_> (based on the cost of the E25k, which it's replacing)
[01:40:01] <jmcp> willbill: not ECC "server" ram
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[01:40:03] <e^ipi> m9000 is a SPARC server.
[01:40:03] <alanc> M9000 is a computer, not a processor
[01:40:08] <willbill> ohh ok
[01:40:10] <willbill> Sorry
[01:40:25] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/m9000/
[01:40:33] <e^ipi> a little bit of google goes a long way
[01:40:35] <willbill> I am only 13, i have been reading tech news and reading tons of websites to understand this stuff for a year
[01:40:44] <willbill> Haha
[01:40:52] <willbill> I want to code
[01:40:54] <willbill> And all
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[01:41:15] <willbill> I know more about computer than everyone in my school, but not more than you guys, xD
[01:41:19] <alanc> the annual support contract on one is only a quarter million dollars
[01:41:36] <willbill> OMG
[01:41:50] <willbill> Thats a lot of freaking money
[01:41:57] <alanc> or maybe that includes hardware - http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/m9000/ratecards.jsp confuses me
[01:41:59] <e^ipi> willbill: if you can't find a project that you want to do, you can also fix bugs in other projects
[01:42:03] <timsf> Runs basically the same OS as my $300 laptop.
[01:42:17] <e^ipi> alanc: 250,000 for an m9k would be a total steal
[01:42:17] <timsf> [which I still think is awesome]
[01:42:21] <willbill> Yeah
[01:42:26] <willbill> I would probably debug
[01:42:29] <willbill> I like helping
[01:42:37] <willbill> I would work on Mozilla and Sun stuff
[01:42:57] <willbill> I need a Java tutor, maybe one of you guys could teach me Java, my dad is willing to hire and pay
[01:43:29] <alanc> definitely not a computer you put in your basement at home
[01:43:33] <willbill> Haha
[01:43:49] <willbill> I bought a pc with vista lately, it is nice, but it runs vista
[01:43:52] <e^ipi> alanc: i kinna want a VAX/11 in my basement
[01:43:58] <e^ipi> mostly just to play with
[01:44:00] <willbill> I got it for 800 bucks
[01:44:03] <willbill> Yeah
[01:44:05] <_mary_kate_> alanc: strange pricing.  who's going to pay $2,000 less to get 8-5 instead of 24/7?
[01:44:16] <willbill> good for runescape, games, web browsing, documents
[01:44:18] <willbill> etc.
[01:44:21] <willbill> Not good for coding
[01:44:22] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: weird cheapskates?
[01:44:50] <_mary_kate_> and why is suppose on the single-phase model cheaper? :)
[01:45:02] <e^ipi> willbill: any turing machine can run anything any other turing machine can
[01:45:10] <e^ipi> just, very slowly in some cases
[01:45:13] <willbill> The pc I bought was an hp laptop meaning I cant change the win modem to a lin modem
[01:45:18] <willbill> Yeah
[01:45:31] <TomJ> That's a tragic tale
[01:45:39] <e^ipi> indeed...
[01:45:42] <willbill> But a win modem restricts me to only running windows OSes with internet connection
[01:45:43] * e^ipi sips tea
[01:45:50] <willbill> I hate winmodems!!!
[01:45:56] <willbill> I want to run debian and open solaris!!!
[01:45:58] <willbill> Lol
[01:46:39] <e^ipi> *sigh*
[01:46:40] <e^ipi> http://www.virtualbox.org/
[01:46:56] <willbill> Will it let me run linux using a winmodem?
[01:46:59] <willbill> With wifi?
[01:47:08] <e^ipi> i don't know why you'd want to run linux, but yes
[01:47:09] <willbill> Or ethernet
[01:47:20] <willbill> Or solaris or w/e
[01:47:23] <e^ipi> doesn't matter
[01:47:24] <willbill> oo
[01:47:27] <willbill> Cool
[01:47:29] <willbill> Yay!
[01:47:46] <e^ipi> it runs another os within windows
[01:47:48] <jmcp> w/e ?
[01:48:08] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: what ever
[01:48:09] <willbill> What ever, it is just more im chat
[01:48:27] <willbill> I have learned lots of abbreviations on the web
[01:48:34] <willbill> starting with lol at age 8 lol
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[01:49:24] <willbill> Is netbeans like a java coding app with a GUI?
[01:49:31] <jmcp> _mary_kate_: meh :)
[01:49:51] <e^ipi> willbill: why not look it up?
[01:49:58] <willbill> good idea!
[01:50:27] <_mary_kate_> Customer sites meeting qualification criteria may receive additional services including credits toward educational credits.
[01:50:32] <_mary_kate_> credits towards credits, how meta
[01:51:42] <willbill> what language should i learn to make a website?
[01:51:48] <alanc> html
[01:51:54] <_mary_kate_> German
[01:51:56] <willbill> ohh ok
[01:52:01] <willbill> is it pretty easy
[01:52:03] <willbill> ?
[01:52:05] <willbill> lol
[01:52:24] <e^ipi> why are you asking this here?
[01:52:32] <e^ipi> what on earth does that possibly have to do with solaris?
[01:52:37] <e^ipi> just google things
[01:52:43] <willbill> sorry!
[01:54:40] <TomJ> he's a http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Thirteen_year_old_boy
[01:54:42] <TomJ> (NSFW)
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[01:55:26] <e^ipi> "13 year old boy" + "NSFW" = "have a seat over there"
[01:55:45] * jmcp rotfl
[02:00:55] <TomJ> yeah the only 'work' 13 year old boys have is, itself, NSFW
[02:02:15] <donour> TomJ, what is with that other channel?
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[02:02:44] <TomJ> oh dear, he's following you
[02:02:48] <donour> for real
[02:02:50] <Plazma> no just you Tom
[02:02:55] <TomJ> that's true. I am magnetic
[02:02:58] <donour> at least he's not a op here
[02:02:59] <Plazma> indeed you are
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[02:05:15] <TomJ> donour: apparently there's something about Solaris administration that gives us a healthy disdain for polite discourse
[02:05:25] <TomJ> Either that or we're just rude bastards, I'm not sure.
[02:05:30] <Plazma> oh stop you tease
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[02:05:32] <Plazma> ;)
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[02:10:43] <c00p> has anyone every had problems with a dladm aggr interface showing 2 MAC addresses to a CISCO "Port-Channel" ?
[02:11:23] <c00p> My x 4500 with 2 int's in an aggr seems to be doing that and causng some weird errors with NFS read and writes - In particular locking files ...
[02:13:48] <jamesd> c00p, did you configure the etherchannel on the cisco side?
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[02:18:49] <c00p> jamesd: Yup, lcap active and made the x4500 passive
[02:19:30] <c00p> sh mac-address-table interface port-channel 2
[02:19:47] <c00p> Vlan    Mac Address       Type        Ports
[02:19:48] <c00p>   55    0014.4fa7.09b8    DYNAMIC     Po2
[02:19:48] <c00p>   55    0014.4fa7.09b9    DYNAMIC     Po2
[02:19:49] <c00p> Total Mac Addresses for this criterion: 2
[02:20:16] <c00p> showing on the switch the two actual phsical nic's mac addresses not the 1 it should auto choose
[02:20:27] <c00p> this is on a solaris 10u5 install ...
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[03:06:02] <c00p> dam no love :(
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[03:44:11] <Schmee> morning all.  I'm a very new user to opensolaris, and the first thing I'm having trouble with is installing from the live cd text console.  There seems to be plenty of information about installing from the graphical interface, but nothing about installign from console.  Any pointers?
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[03:45:04] <nachox> what opensolaris distribution are you installing?
[03:45:16] <nachox> and why are you installing from the console?
[03:47:28] <Schmee> nachox: os200805, and I'm installing from console because this machine doesn't have a mouse and is a pain to physically reach to install one.
[03:47:57] <e^ipi> can you actually install 2008.05 from text?
[03:48:03] <e^ipi> i was pretty sure you can't
[03:48:10] <e^ipi> SXCE yes
[03:48:16] <e^ipi> but not indiana
[03:48:37] <nachox> you cant install indiana from text
[03:48:40] <Schmee> e^ipi: that's why I'm asking.  I couldn't find anything online
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[03:49:11] <e^ipi> oh, i thought you might've accidently grabbed SXCE
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[03:49:29] <e^ipi> so, yeah... you can't
[03:49:34] <e^ipi> not yet anyways
[03:49:35] <Schmee> hmmm, bummer
[03:49:43] <e^ipi> in the future, you can
[03:49:51] <nachox> i accidentally downloaded a dvd instead of a CD :)
[03:50:21] <Plazma> e^ipi,  !
[03:50:24] <Schmee> all I want to do with it, is turn an otherwise useless box into a NAS with ZFS, which almost wored using freebsd, but the ZFS support was too unstable
[03:50:55] <e^ipi> Plazma: yo
[03:51:06] <e^ipi> Schmee: so use SXCE
[03:51:20] <e^ipi> nachox: or CD 1 of 5 and not the rest of 'em
[03:51:22] <Schmee> SXCE?
[03:51:30] <e^ipi> Schmee: solaris express community edition
[03:51:31] <nachox> hmm, i'm sure you could trick X into exporting the display somewhere else where you have a mouse, i just dont know how
[03:51:32] <Plazma> e^ipi,  where have ou been mister, its past your bedtime
[03:51:43] <e^ipi> don't start with that shit here
[03:51:56] <nachox> e^ipi, i thought cds had been dropped
[03:51:59] <e^ipi> #solaris is a cesspool and i'll not have this place become there
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[04:02:26] <alanc> nachox: I think there are instructions in someone's blog to display the install gui to a remote machine over X11 or ssh-X11-forwarding
[04:03:01] <Schmee> alanc: I'm downloading the SXCE dvd to try that.
[04:03:10] <nachox> alanc, i remembered something like that, that's why i suggested it, i believe it was actually timf
[04:03:52] <alanc> though on the current live cd, I think you need to first svcadm enable sshd, since it was turned off by default, given the published default accounts/passwords on the LiveCD
[04:04:04] <alanc> which changed after those were posted
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[04:08:41] <techqbert> Anybody get WOL working on an intel machine?
[04:09:41] <nachox> W0L?
[04:10:41] <techqbert> Wake on Lan.
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[04:12:41] <techqbert> indiana snv_97 raidz nas here.  it'd be nice to bring up my 55watt NAS from my 5watt embedded freebsd home server while at the university.
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[04:13:35] <nachox> does anyone actually use WOL?
[04:15:28] * techqbert uses WOL on other machines
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[04:38:26] <sstallion> evening all
[04:38:32] <jbk> hey sstallion
[04:39:57] <sstallion> how goes it ?
[04:40:03] <jbk> alright
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[04:40:16] <jbk> apparently i'll be going to netapp training in a few week
[04:40:19] <jbk> s
[04:40:19] <sstallion> oh ?
[04:40:52] <jbk> yeah
[04:40:53] <nachox> that's cool
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[04:44:34] <sstallion> jbk: do you know what ON's inlining policy is ?
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[04:44:52] <jbk> not offhand
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[04:53:26] <linxuz3r> hello
[04:53:37] <linxuz3r> how do i know if i am on 64bit or 32bit
[04:53:55] <linxuz3r> when i boot os s it sayssome thing svn 64bit
[04:53:57] <alanc> isainfo -kv
[04:53:59] <e^ipi> does your cpu support 64 bit ?
[04:54:05] <e^ipi> if yes, then you're on 64 bit
[04:54:34] <linxuz3r> e^ipi: how do i make it 32bit?
[04:54:43] <_mary_kate_> why would you do that?
[04:54:53] <linxuz3r> how do i install opensolaris 32 bit
[04:54:56] <nachox> linxuz3r, you need to tweak grub, but why would you
[04:54:58] <_mary_kate_> why would you do that?
[04:55:11] <linxuz3r> software compatibility
[04:55:15] <jmcp> linxuz3r: with what?
[04:55:17] <_mary_kate_> you must be a linux user
[04:55:23] * jmcp goes for popcorn and a good view
[04:55:24] <_mary_kate_> there is no 32/64-bit software compatibility issue on solaris
[04:55:35] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: solaris is smart, there aren't problems on that front
[04:55:40] <nachox> linxuz3r, this is not linux, please
[04:56:13] <_mary_kate_> there is no such thing as a '32-bit install' or a '64-bit install', it always installs both, the only difference is what kernel gets loaded
[04:56:27] <linxuz3r> ok so will 32bit apps run in 64bit environment?
[04:56:33] <alanc> and even when running the 64-bit kernel, much of the software run is 32-bit, running without problems
[04:56:34] <e^ipi> absolutely
[04:56:35] <_mary_kate_> there is no '64-bit environment' in solaris
[04:56:35] <jbk> and the 64 bit kernel has 0 problems supporting a mixed 32/64 bit environment
[04:56:39] <_mary_kate_> there's one, mixed, 32/64-bit environment
[04:56:48] <jbk> if the binary is 32 bit, it runs
[04:56:49] <linxuz3r> kool
[04:56:49] <nachox> the binaries that get to run are mostly controlled by isaexec
[04:56:57] <jbk> if it's 64 bit (and a 64 bit kernel), it runs
[04:57:31] <jbk> none of this 'oh well mkfs -t xfs failed because you used the 32 bit binary on a 64 bit kernel'
[04:57:36] <linxuz3r> is flash available?
[04:57:46] <e^ipi> yes
[04:57:47] <jbk> flash 9
[04:58:18] <linxuz3r> how do i install it
[04:58:40] <e^ipi> it's got install instructions
[04:58:48] <e^ipi> they boil down to "copy this file here"
[04:58:49] <jmcp> linxuz3r: the often-quoted example is "why on earth would you need a 64bit executable version of /bin/true or /bin/false?"
[04:59:08] <jbk> i believe it comes with sxce, but if running opensolaris, download it from adobe, and copy it
[04:59:14] <e^ipi> jmcp: because you need > 4 gigs worth of 't'
[04:59:20] <jmcp> ha!
[04:59:33] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: "install instructions"?  what's that, something that tells you how to do something without asking people on irc?  i hardly believe it!
[04:59:36] <e^ipi> 32-bit /bin/true isn't largefile aware
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[05:00:08] <dergringo> hi folks :)
[05:00:15] <jbk> specifically to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
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[05:02:44] <dergringo> I'm planning to build up a NAS using opensolaris. I'm an experienced linux user but ZFS and RaidZ sound irresistible for this :) Now may I ask you a few questions? first of all I'd like to know if it's possible to hotswap disks in a zfs raidz?
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[05:03:05] <nachox> depends on the hardware
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[05:03:34] <linxuz3r> is the default homefolder /export/home/username?
[05:04:02] <e^ipi> so it would appear.
[05:04:17] <e^ipi> 'man filesystem' for details
[05:04:54] <dergringo> nachox, got a Promise FastTrak TX4310 SATA RAID Controller (hot swap ability)
[05:05:13] <jmcp> fail :(
[05:05:50] <e^ipi> who fails?
[05:05:53] <dergringo> fail? hope you don't mean my controller :)
[05:06:45] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: also http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/youre-never-far-from-home.html
[05:07:23] <nachox> e^ipi, that's always nice to have bookmarked :)
[05:07:38] <linxuz3r> how do i install java in opensolaris?
[05:08:00] <nachox> depends on the opensolaris distribution
[05:08:24] <nachox> but JAVA also developes solaris :P
[05:08:25] <linxuz3r> 2008-05
[05:08:39] <nachox> check the package manager, it is there
[05:09:12] <jmcp> dergringo: I mean your controller - I've never heard good things about the Promise SATA RAID controllers
[05:09:29] <dergringo> jmcp, well I haven't buy it yet
[05:09:41] <jmcp> I'd get a different one if possible
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[05:10:24] <dergringo> jmcp, tell me what's better. My mainboard: http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GCLF2/D945GCLF2-overview.htm
[05:10:48] <dergringo> Yeah but the hot swap ability of zfs depends on the sata controller. did i get that right?
[05:11:13] <dergringo> If the controller supports it then it will work in solaris?
[05:11:59] <nachox> if the controller and the solaris driver support it, it will work
[05:12:29] <jmcp> correct
[05:12:37] <jmcp> dergringo: get more ram :)
[05:13:33] <dergringo> jmcp, more than what? Aren't 2GB not enough for a nas box?
[05:14:18] <e^ipi> 2g is fine, but more is better always
[05:14:20] <nachox> 2gb is what laptops have these days
[05:14:44] <nachox> and you wouldnt use a laptop as a nas, would you? :)
[05:14:52] <e^ipi> i would
[05:14:53] <e^ipi> ;)
[05:14:58] <dergringo> hehe I might won't
[05:15:13] <linxuz3r> ext3 and ext2 support for solaris?
[05:15:24] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: no, we have something better
[05:15:25] <jmcp> dergringo: I encourage you to max out the ram in that system
[05:15:30] <jmcp> dergringo: 2Gb should be ok
[05:15:37] <dergringo> But it's my first NAS and I'm thankful for such hints. I really tought that 2GB is more than enough for smb
[05:15:39] <nachox> e^ipi, you know you wouldnt! i remember you laughing at me for using opensolaris in my intel laptop :)
[05:15:39] <jmcp> ZFS eats address space for a snack
[05:15:53] <linxuz3r> e^ipi: what is it
[05:16:02] <jmcp> dergringo: I wouldn't be running a workgroup on it, but for home use it should be gine
[05:16:03] <jmcp> fine
[05:16:06] <linxuz3r> how do i get read write to my ext2 ext3?
[05:16:17] <dergringo> jmcp, it's for home use
[05:16:26] <nachox> linxuz3r, i believe the guys at belenix have some drivers that understand ext2, but i'd use it only to copy my files to solaris
[05:16:27] <jmcp> dergringo: you should be fine then
[05:16:34] <dergringo> phew :)
[05:16:57] <jmcp> dergringo: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Configuration_Guide
[05:17:21] <dergringo> Now is it possible to install opensolaris without any gui?
[05:17:26] <bda> No.
[05:17:33] <linxuz3r> later guys
[05:17:36] <linxuz3r> thanks for the help
[05:18:03] <jmcp> ciao
[05:18:14] <nachox> dergringo, you can disable X later on
[05:18:23] <jmcp> dergringo: if you want Solaris Express Community Edition (aka SXCE) then you can do a text-mode install.
[05:18:30] <jmcp> but not the OpenSolaris binary distro
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[05:19:09] <dergringo> Uff I haven't take a look at the editions yet. Just don't need X on a configured server
[05:19:30] <nachox> just disable it once you're done
[05:19:37] <dergringo> fine :)
[05:19:46] <jmcp> a surprisingly large number of other things actually depend on X-related libraries
[05:20:02] <bda> s/surprisingly/annoyingly/ # :)
[05:20:07] <jmcp> true
[05:20:31] <dergringo> So I'd like to have a full encrypted filesystem. is opensolaris ready for that? if so... is it possible to use a dongle/file instead of user input like password
[05:21:36] <nachox> not yet
[05:21:58] <nachox> there is work for an encrypted zfs thouh
[05:22:03] <nachox> *though
[05:22:52] <nachox> i think they are targetting snnv 102 or 105 right?
[05:22:53] <jmcp> coming in the next build or two, iirc
[05:23:05] <dergringo> whats the release shedule?
[05:23:09] <piwi> Integration Target: snv_105
[05:23:48] <jmcp> dergringo: OpenSolaris core kernel build schedule is found under http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/  ---> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/schedule/
[05:24:05] <e^ipi> huh, they're going to miss 2008.11
[05:24:11] <e^ipi> that's kinna too bad
[05:24:32] <nachox> e^ipi, i can almost read the sarcasm there
[05:24:33] <dergringo> So I'll encrypt later on
[05:24:40] <nachox> cant
[05:25:06] <nachox> the encryption has to be configured when you create the dataset
[05:25:52] <e^ipi> zfs create pool/cryptedset && mv /my/stuff /pool/cryptedset
[05:25:55] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[05:26:56] <dergringo> Yeah I know but I'll set up the whole box again.So I'll take the unencrypted to get some solaris experience.And when encryption is ready I'll do it a second time.
[05:28:06] <dergringo> Can I mix different harddisk types in a raidz?
[05:28:13] <dergringo> and sizes
[05:28:18] <jmcp> "types" ?
[05:28:20] <jmcp> yes
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[05:28:23] <jmcp> sizes ... not advised
[05:28:42] <jmcp> your raidz (or mirror, for that matter) size is dictated by the size of the smallest component
[05:29:02] <dergringo> I see
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[05:29:45] <dergringo> I tought about having 3*0.75TB disks and add one more later. Is it possible to dynamically extend raidz from 3 to 4 disks?
[05:30:03] <jmcp> no
[05:30:10] <e^ipi> not really no
[05:30:27] <e^ipi> not if you want to keep the same level of redundancy anyhow
[05:30:49] <dergringo> so if a disk crashes... can I replace it with another one?
[05:30:54] <jmcp> yes
[05:30:58] <jmcp> zpool replace
[05:30:58] <dergringo> ah great
[05:31:01] <nachox> you can however add another 3 disks and get a bigger zvol with the same redundancy :)
[05:31:11] <jmcp> dergringo: have you looked at the introductory presentations about ZFS?
[05:31:23] <jmcp> cos they explain a heap of stuff really well
[05:31:44] <dergringo> jmcp, not yet. Bokkamrked and ready to be read in train later :)
[05:31:48] <jmcp> nod
[05:31:50] <dergringo> bookmarked
[05:31:54] <jmcp> good
[05:32:07] <e^ipi> yeah, you should probably watch/read those
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[05:34:15] <c00p> dergringo: types is fine - sizies will make all your discs be the size of the smallest HD - i.e. if you have 2 x 40gig drives and a 10gig they will all be used as 10 gig drives
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[05:34:48] <c00p> jmcp: sorry I didn't see you reply :)
[05:34:59] <e^ipi> c00p: 10G drives? absurd liberal myth.
[05:34:59] <jmcp> c00p: 'sok
[05:35:04] <jmcp> heh
[05:35:12] <jmcp> haven't seen a 10G drive in a loooooong time
[05:35:41] <c00p> e^ipi: lol - only in old xbox's people give me :)
[05:36:00] <c00p> great media centres mounting my cifs shares off my zfs :)
[05:36:12] <dergringo> Well I had to decide freenas (BSD) or open solaris. Tought I learn something new and get in touched with that rave reviews received zfs. Now I'm looking forward to try it out. Thank you very much for your help guys. Seems to have good community support
[05:36:40] <dergringo> what makes it even more interesting
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[05:36:48] <linxuz3r> how do i reconfigure grub
[05:36:58] <jmcp> linxuz3r: reconfigure in what way?
[05:37:08] <linxuz3r> put grub back to my mbr
[05:37:14] <jmcp> man installgrub
[05:37:28] <jmcp> just remember that you need OpenSolaris' grub rather than linux/*bsd
[05:37:47] <jmcp> that's so you get support for ZFS and OpenSolaris' UFS
[05:38:22] <linxuz3r> from ubuntu bootloader how do i make grub boot open solaris
[05:38:23] <e^ipi> ours is better because the grub people think that you should only be adding features to the (completely broken) grub2
[05:38:29] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: you don't.
[05:38:37] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: you need solaris's grub
[05:38:51] <linxuz3r> i cant add solaris in ubuntu grub?
[05:38:56] <jmcp> correct
[05:39:00] <linxuz3r> why not
[05:39:10] <jmcp> see e^ipi's message
[05:39:13] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: because ubuntu's grub doesn't support ZFS or UFS
[05:39:14] <linxuz3r> how do i add ubuntu in solaris grub
[05:39:23] <nachox> linxuz3r, the ubuntu bootloader is grub, only it doesnt support solaris' filesystems
[05:39:24] <e^ipi> linxuz3r: that one's easy
[05:39:28] <jmcp> root (hdX,Y) ;  chainload +1
[05:39:40] <e^ipi> or just copy the kernel/ramdisk lines over
[05:40:08] <nachox> that is much better
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[06:06:55] <gleaken> is there a way with a default installation of SXCE 98 to watch to see if a turion 64 is frequency scaling?  Is frkit and powernowd still required for cpu scaling?
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[06:07:50] <gleaken> disclaimer: I know the TSC issue, this is an older turion 64, NON x2
[06:09:07] <e^ipi> it probably isn't
[06:09:20] <e^ipi> neither my athlon64 nor my opteron are new enough
[06:10:20] <gleaken> e^ipi: do you mean you don't install powernowd on those two systems?
[06:10:30] <e^ipi> correct
[06:11:19] <e^ipi> ahh, here we go
[06:11:20] <e^ipi> http://mx.opensolaris.org/os/community/pm/FAQ/FAQ_cpupm_support/
[06:11:41] <gleaken> e^ipi: ok, I have installed powernowd on this machine, with no problems, but it seems as if the fan is spinning up and down based on load.  I don't know if that is because of power management or thermal management.
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[06:51:09] <e^ipi> well, that solves that mystery
[06:51:24] <e^ipi> as it turns out, racoon wasn't executable, that's why my laptop couldn't connect to the vpn
[06:53:04] <jmcp> duh .. .it's a furry animal, of course it's not executable
[06:53:22] <noyb> :-)
[06:53:23] <e^ipi> unless it commits a capital crime
[06:53:25] <purserj> jmcp: umm small furry animals are perfectly executable
[06:53:28] <e^ipi> in texas
[06:53:32] <purserj> and it's fun as well
[06:53:38] <noyb> tasty too
[06:53:53] <e^ipi> noyb: in mississippi maybe
[06:54:00] <e^ipi> the rest of the country doesn't eat racoons
[06:54:21] <jmcp> purserj: well ....
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[06:55:57] <noyb> yee haww
[06:59:02] * jmcp watches the banjos go up in flames
[07:01:32] * noyb lol's with coughing and tears...  and then continues to watch the Matrix
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[07:17:53] <freetown> hi all...how do i change a property of a dns/server?
[07:18:05] <noyb> client or server
[07:18:06] <freetown> i want to change/add options/chroot_dir
[07:18:18] <noyb> ah
[07:18:22] <freetown> service manifest
[07:19:26] <noyb> svcprop ?
[07:19:28] <freetown> inside svccfg, if i run listprop, i see options/chroot_dir...but svcprop lists the default entries...
[07:19:39] <freetown> svcprop can be used to set stuff? how?
[07:19:54] <freetown> the man page for svcprop don't enlighten me at all
[07:24:19] <freetown> i am supposed to edit the manifest file dns/server.xml and import again?
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[07:26:22] <jmcp> have you tried svccfg?
[07:27:33] <freetown> svccfg: select network/dns/server -> addpg options application -> setprop options/chroot_dir = astring: /path/chroot
[07:27:40] <freetown> what else am I missing?
[07:27:55] <freetown> refresh gives me a 'no instance selected' error...
[07:28:45] <jmcp> did you type "end" ?
[07:28:58] <freetown> let me do that now
[07:30:06] <freetown> no difference...am i supposed to create an instance of dns/server or something?
[07:30:22] <jmcp> I don't believe so
[07:30:39] <jmcp> how about quitting, then a disable/enable on dns/server ?
[07:30:58] <freetown> well svcprop gives this for options/chroot_dir: options/chroot_dir astring ""
[07:30:58] <jmcp> apart from that, i'm all outta suggestions, sorry
[07:31:13] <freetown> the service has not been enabled
[07:32:23] <freetown> why does svcprop and listprop in svccfg show different stuff? eg: listprop had no options pg until i added it..
[07:32:29] <victori_> snv98 stable?
[07:32:35] <freetown> Indiana
[07:32:43] <victori_> yep
[07:32:50] <victori_> currently on 94
[07:32:53] <freetown> well...86..
[07:32:54] <jmcp> freetown: sorry, I don't know. SMF isn't my area
[07:33:05] <victori_> 90-93 was painful, dtrace caused kernel panics with zones in the background
[07:33:26] <freetown> no zones...so I guess I could care less about problems with zones
[07:34:16] <freetown> man...maybe I should just install daemontools and let that rip...
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[07:40:34] <freetown> doh...i have to go into dns/server:default or something
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[07:46:05] <e^ipi> freetown: chroot?
[07:46:08] <e^ipi> zones, homie
[07:48:05] <e^ipi> ( also, addpg )
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[07:50:11] <freetown> e^ipi: ah...victori_ said something about kernel panics with zones in 90-93...not sure if 86 has it but i am not interested in finding out just yet. chroot will work just fine for now
[07:50:34] <victori_> chroot, cute.
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[07:51:24] <freetown> hey, it's BIND, man, BIND. Now if I was running tinydns but tinydns runs chroot anyway
[07:52:55] <e^ipi> eh, up to you
[07:53:04] <e^ipi> i'm probably more likely to trust zones than a chroot
[07:53:44] <jmcp> freetown: do DNS views not do what you need?
[07:55:07] <freetown> jmcp: huh? I just want to run BIND in a chroot jail. I am not trying to do split horizon...
[07:55:18] * jmcp shrugs
[07:55:28] <jmcp> wasn't really sure why you were doing a chroot jail
[07:55:46] <jmcp> I'm with e^ipi on zones over chroot, btw
[07:56:00] <freetown> hmm...zones stable in Indiana?
[07:56:21] <jmcp> yes
[07:56:27] <jmcp> they've been stable since Solaris 10
[07:56:38] <jmcp> which, you'll recall, is quite old now
[07:56:43] <jmcp> and no longer shiny....
[07:56:44] * jmcp sighs
[07:57:20] <freetown> well, victori just piped up about dtrace blowing away the kernel if you have zones
[07:57:31] <jmcp> that's a dtrace problem, not a zones problem
[07:57:36] <jmcp> and it was fixed in snv_94
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[07:57:52] <freetown> well Indiana is based on snv_86.
[07:58:10] <jmcp> so?
[07:58:42] <freetown> i take it dtrace don't blow away the kernel in indiana then.
[07:58:47] <jmcp> correct
[07:58:53] <jmcp> sigh
[07:58:55] <freetown> :D
[07:58:56] <jmcp> let me find the bugid
[07:59:15] <freetown> paranoid. good for the heart
[07:59:30] <jmcp> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6718877
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[08:00:38] <freetown> thnx jmcp.
[08:00:49] <jmcp> if you're interested, the diffs are here: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/diff/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/dtrace/dtrace.c?r2=%2Fonnv%2Fonnv-gate%2Fusr%2Fsrc%2Futs%2Fcommon%2Fdtrace%2Fdtrace.c%407004&r1=%2Fonnv%2Fonnv-gate%2Fusr%2Fsrc%2Futs%2Fcommon%2Fdtrace%2Fdtrace.c%406731
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[08:01:47] <lkthomas> hey guys
[08:01:53] <jmcp> hi lkthomas, how's it goin?
[08:02:02] <lkthomas> F.C HBA could become target mode, that's very great
[08:02:16] <lkthomas> the only problem is dual SATA controller
[08:02:25] <lkthomas> production SAN got dual disk controller
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[08:10:37] <lkthomas> anyone know which cheap multi port SATA card which is supported on ON ?
[08:10:49] <lkthomas> it is way too expensive to run RAID card as normal SATA
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[08:12:54] <jmcp> marvell do one, iirc. LSI as well
[08:12:59] <jmcp> LSI's offering is SAS, however
[08:13:05] <jmcp> but they're cheap now
[08:14:39] <freetown>  siliconimage 3124?
[08:15:30] <lkthomas> I heard marvell got problems ?
[08:16:06] <freetown> try a generic sil3124 then...i have had no problems with them
[08:16:27] <jmcp> there were some problems with the marvell driver, but they were fixed a while back
[08:16:50] <freetown> say...is marvell the only one with PMP support?
[08:17:02] <lkthomas> the best I could found is 4port SATA card using SI chip
[08:17:09] <lkthomas> any brand could suggest ?
[08:17:24] <jmcp> PMP?
[08:17:34] <jmcp> lkthomas: anything from build 93 onwards should be fine with Marvell
[08:17:34] <freetown> 4port sata with si = si3124 right? should be fine.
[08:17:48] <freetown> jmcp: port multiplexer support
[08:17:50] <lkthomas> freetown, I am looking for something like 8portto 16ports
[08:17:55] <jmcp> oh
[08:17:57] <jmcp> dunno
[08:18:14] <jmcp> pretty sure we haven't got port multiplier / multiplexer support in yet
[08:18:16] <freetown> lkthomas: OH. hahaha...good luck on a non-raid 8 port sata card...
[08:18:41] <lkthomas> freetown, huh?! what's wrong with it ?
[08:19:07] <freetown> oh, nothing wrong with the idea...the problem is if anybody does just a card at all.
[08:19:16] <freetown> such
[08:19:20] <freetown> s/just/such/
[08:19:25] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:19:31] <lkthomas> right
[08:19:37] <lkthomas> the best I found is 4ports
[08:19:53] <freetown> man...my brain and fingers don't listen to each other.
[08:20:03] <freetown> lkthomas: yeah...try two si3124 cards...
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[08:20:15] <lkthomas> actually
[08:20:19] <freetown> si3124 cards in raid and non-raid versions too
[08:20:28] <freetown> non-raid versions are real cheap.
[08:20:30] <lkthomas> I got 2 port SAS card
[08:20:34] <lkthomas> one is connected to tape drive
[08:20:38] <lkthomas> another one is free to use
[08:20:42] <lkthomas> what could I use for that port ?
[08:20:44] <freetown> and the better deal
[08:21:08] <freetown> lkthomas: a SAS disk enclosure?
[08:21:19] <lkthomas> JBOD ?
[08:21:30] <freetown> whatever your card supports
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[08:21:55] <lkthomas> actually, can I use SAS card act like fibre channel ?
[08:22:30] <lkthomas> I assume it is similar structure
[08:23:16] <jmcp> lkthomas: what are you really wanting to do?
[08:23:22] * jmcp works on SAS, has worked on FC before
[08:23:36] <lkthomas> you know, I got one external SAS port left
[08:23:40] <jmcp> right
[08:23:46] <lkthomas> can I use ON to run another storage server
[08:23:57] <lkthomas> then connect both card together to form a SAN ?
[08:24:11] <jmcp> what do you mean by "use ON to run another storage server" ?
[08:24:23] <lkthomas> similar concept of ISCSI
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[08:24:45] <lkthomas> just change the interface from ethernet to SAS cable :)
[08:24:54] <jmcp> that's not making it clearer for me
[08:25:05] <lkthomas> huh
[08:25:10] <freetown> i assumed that ON = OpenSolaris?
[08:25:11] <freetown> :D
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[08:25:35] <jmcp> no
[08:25:42] <jmcp> ON is the OS/Net "consolidation"
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[08:25:47] <jmcp> core kernel + core userland, basically
[08:25:53] <lkthomas> I mean
[08:26:04] <lkthomas> can you export disk from ON to another server using SAS port ?
[08:26:20] <jmcp> nop
[08:26:21] <jmcp> no
[08:26:26] <trochej> Coffee
[08:26:27] <lkthomas> grrr
[08:26:33] <jmcp> and please don't use "ON" like that, it confuses people
[08:26:39] <lkthomas> I see, ok
[08:26:57] <jmcp> you can use iscsi to export a target which is backed by storage from that SAS port
[08:27:33] <lkthomas> sorry, I think this really confused you
[08:27:42] <lkthomas> do you know external array system ?
[08:27:46] <jmcp> yes
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[08:27:48] <jmcp> I work with them a lot
[08:27:51] <lkthomas> some of them do offer you a SAS port
[08:27:55] <lkthomas> and you plug it into your card
[08:28:06] <lkthomas> then, your server will found 24disk..etc
[08:28:12] <jmcp> ok
[08:28:20] <lkthomas> can I replace that "array" system work opensolaris ?
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[08:28:32] <lkthomas> work * with
[08:28:43] <jmcp> not for SAS
[08:28:52] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:28:56] <jmcp> we don't have support for SAS hbas to operate as targets
[08:28:59] <jmcp> which is what you'd need
[08:29:04] <jmcp> assuming that I understand what you are asking
[08:29:07] <lkthomas> yes
[08:29:49] <lkthomas> fibre channel card cost huge
[08:29:54] <jmcp> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/comstar is where that would come in, but they don't have the SAS bit there just yet
[08:29:57] <lkthomas> iscsi just isn't fast enought on 1G network
[08:30:02] <lkthomas> yes, I know comstar
[08:30:03] <jmcp> :-)
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[08:30:29] <lkthomas> WAIT
[08:30:30] <lkthomas> maybe not
[08:30:34] <lkthomas> http://blogs.sun.com/sumitgupta/entry/comstar_integrated_into_solaris_nevada
[08:30:40] <lkthomas> SAS target support. <=-==
[08:31:03] <jmcp> "and hence are not included in this B90 integration"
[08:31:19] <lkthomas> I miss that, LOL
[08:31:42] <lkthomas> BUT, that's good for us because sun to notice it
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[08:31:49] <lkthomas> to * do
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[08:37:33] <lkthomas> jmcp, out of topic question, does linux support SAS target mode as well ?
[08:37:56] <jmcp> no idea
[08:38:00] <jmcp> I don't do linux
[08:38:05] <lkthomas> right, ok
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[08:39:02] <jmcp> I have more than enough fun buried in the internals of OpenSolaris, I've got no time for anything else
[08:39:18] <lkthomas> I start to realize that too :)
[08:39:22] <jmcp> heh
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[08:40:29] <lkthomas> http://www.datoptic.com/cgi-bin/web.cgi?product=ezSAN&detail=yes
[08:40:31] <lkthomas> woo
[08:41:22] <lkthomas> jmcp, it is very amazing that opensolaris could turn a F.C card into target mode
[08:41:48] <jmcp> not really
[08:41:53] <jmcp> just a matter of programming
[08:41:59] <jmcp> and turning your head inside out :)
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[08:42:55] <lkthomas> yes
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[08:43:04] <lkthomas> but I never heard it could be done on freebsd / linux
[08:43:17] <lkthomas> nor I trust anything like this on linux at all
[08:43:25] <yoursdai> Hi,everyone!Could anyone help me? I am not familar with solaris.What should I do,if I want to get the receiveing or sending speed of the NIC immediately.
[08:43:52] <lkthomas> good question, I also want to know as well
[08:44:36] <jmcp> I'd look at the kstats for it
[08:44:49] <jmcp> eg, my nic is using the nge driver:: kstat -m nge -s ifspeed
[08:45:05] <jmcp> module: nge                             instance: 0
[08:45:05] <jmcp> name:   mac                             class:    net
[08:45:05] <jmcp> 	ifspeed                         100000000
[08:45:15] <jmcp> which shows that my interfaces are operating at 100MBit
[08:45:31] <lkthomas> nothing comes up with e1000g0
[08:45:58] <jmcp> try    kstat -m e1000g -s ifspeed
[08:46:18] <jmcp> or, if you definitely just want instance 0,    kstat -m e1000g -i 0 -s ifspeed
[08:46:19] <lkthomas> I see, ok now, thanks
[08:48:56] <yoursdai> jmcp,Thank you very much!
[08:49:31] <lkthomas> I do believe opensolaris run a lot better than linux, at least sun do a little bit of support on it :)
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[08:50:51] <yoursdai> Yes,lkthomas,I agree with you.So we must learn and do more thing for it.
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[08:53:14] <lkthomas> we are now using opensolaris storage server in our company
[08:53:32] <lkthomas> running seems good
[08:54:09] <yoursdai> lkthomas,I am do the same thing with you!
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[08:54:44] <lkthomas> what's the capacity of your storage server ?
[08:55:01] <yoursdai> 2T
[08:55:04] <lkthomas> ........
[08:55:09] <e^ipi> that's pretty small
[08:55:13] <e^ipi> i have that at home
[08:55:19] <lkthomas> storage  9.06T   269G  8.80T     2%  ONLINE  -
[08:55:34] <yoursdai> :)
[08:55:44] <lkthomas> e^ipi, is it small for you now ? :)
[08:55:59] <e^ipi> yours isn't, i meant yoursdai's
[08:56:05] <lkthomas> I see
[08:56:19] <lkthomas> in fact
[08:56:34] <lkthomas> I think I will give up everything except opensolaris for storage from now on
[08:56:58] <e^ipi> speaking of storage, is there a codec ( not mkv ) that i can keep multiple audio channels and subtitles with?
[08:57:14] <e^ipi> i'd like to rip my entire dvd collection, but i don't want to lose commentary & subs
[08:57:26] <e^ipi> given the choice of the two, i'd rather go without subtitles
[08:57:34] <e^ipi> <-- not a home theatre guy
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[08:59:31] <yoursdai> I use the "kstat -m pcn0 -i 0 -s ifspeed" in my virtual maching,But i got nothing.
[08:59:57] <yoursdai> jmcp,I use the "kstat -m pcn0 -i 0 -s ifspeed" in my virtual maching,But i got nothing
[09:00:21] <yoursdai> jmcp,I use the vmware6.0
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[09:02:04] <e^ipi> yoursdai: vmware is a name, you don't preceed it with 'the'
[09:02:08] <e^ipi> :)
[09:02:26] <yoursdai> I am sorry
[09:02:35] <e^ipi> don't be sorry, i'm trying to be helpful
[09:02:44] * e^ipi still laughs when B's mother tells people to "go to the hell"
[09:02:56] <e^ipi> heh, crazy immigrant lady...
[09:02:57] <yoursdai> I am trying to learn english well.Thank you very much.
[09:04:20] <jmcp> yoursdai: you need to remove the "-" from pcn
[09:04:24] <jmcp> 0, rather
[09:04:36] <jmcp> so you would run     kstat -m pcn -i 0 -s ifspeed
[09:05:17] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:05:50] <yoursdai> Yes,jmcp,you are so strong.
[09:05:58] <yoursdai> It is OK
[09:08:34] <yoursdai> lkthomas,what does LOL mean?
[09:09:27] <jmcp> lough out loud
[09:09:31] <jmcp> laugh, even
[09:12:12] <purserj> leprosy over lycanthropy
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[09:12:27] <e^ipi> purserj: no way man
[09:12:41] <e^ipi> i'd way rather turn in to a bloodthirsty killing machine than lose chunks of my body randomly
[09:12:46] <purserj> yeah way! This girl's had her eye on me all night
[09:13:01] <jmcp> purserj: so pick it up and move it somewhere else
[09:13:48] <purserj> sure, lend me a hand, two heads are better than one
[09:14:00] * purserj plays "Party At the Leper Colony'
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[09:14:48] <jmcp> I'm sure that sounds better than the kiddies next door who are practising on the new drumkit
[09:15:09] <purserj> at least they're not practicing on each other
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[09:17:16] <lkthomas> e^ipi, if using opensolaris F.C target mode, we could save a lot of money
[09:18:18] <freetown> that's it Sun, take it up to the SAN/FC big boys
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[09:20:40] <e^ipi> *cough*
[09:20:42] <lkthomas> but too bad that it only support qlogic
[09:21:28] <freetown> 10GB iscsi then!
[09:21:52] <freetown> 10GB fast enough for you lkthomas?
[09:22:10] <lkthomas> you know what, I don't believe ethernet at all! :)
[09:22:22] <lkthomas> someone reboot the switch and you are dead
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[09:33:41] <lkthomas> guys
[09:33:56] <lkthomas> does it means that ethernet + PXE boot = iscsi HBA ?
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[09:35:11] <tsoome> lkthomas: it can do i guess;)
[09:35:35] <lkthomas> so no one buying iscsi HBA now a day ?
[09:35:47] <tsoome> it depends on a workload
[09:36:08] <lkthomas> I think expensive ethernet card do have tons of offload engine to deal with it ?
[09:36:28] <tsoome> assumption is a mother of all fuckups:P
[09:36:42] <lkthomas> nono, check intel card
[09:36:47] <lkthomas> the expensive model I mean
[09:37:03] <tsoome> read the spec, if you like it, get it:D
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[09:38:39] <tsoome> ofc it would be wise to compare it with some "real" iscsi card to see diffs
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[09:39:20] <tsoome> i dont really use iscsi here, so have had no need to check myself
[09:39:24] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:40:02] <lkthomas> which iscsi HBA is the most popular brand ?
[09:40:11] <hali> qlogic
[09:40:27] <lkthomas> I see, hmm
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[09:45:14] <lkthomas> FCoE VS iscsi, which one would you choose actually ?
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[09:48:01] <tsoome> guess the iscsi is more common
[09:48:10] <lkthomas> yep
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[09:51:29] <yoursdai> tsoome,could you elaborate why you chose iscsi rather than FCoE?
[09:52:22] <lkthomas> I think the only diff betwee fc and iscsi is about the implementation protocol
[09:52:28] <lkthomas> I don't know which one is faster tho
[09:52:33] <tsoome> can i use FCoE with windows, solaris, linux. without handing out loads of $?
[09:52:51] <lkthomas> huh?! FCoE is expensive ?!
[09:53:17] <lkthomas> hey, compare using HBA please, it is not fair if you compare it using normal ethernet card
[09:53:57] <tsoome> well, as i told, im not really using iscsi as well. if i need speed, i go for FC anyhow;)
[09:54:07] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:54:30] <tsoome> point for iscsi is cheap connectivity IMO
[09:55:09] <lkthomas> I just found qlogic pcie 4Gb single port HBA cost less than 120USD
[09:55:20] <tsoome> and *if* you cant really afford FC (no lines or whatever reason), ofc the offload engine is the way to go
[09:55:28] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:55:45] <lkthomas> http://hk.image.auctions.yahoo.com/users/9/2/5/9/terencepixy-img600x450-1222102660___00204-5.jpg
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[09:56:34] <yoursdai> is ofc FCoE?
[09:56:41] <lkthomas> no
[09:56:43] <lkthomas> F.C
[09:57:05] <yoursdai> OK:)
[09:57:15] <lkthomas> can you imagine it cost less than 120USD ?!
[09:57:17] <lkthomas> holy ...
[09:57:22] <tsoome> :D
[09:57:32] <lkthomas> 7days warranty :)
[09:58:44] <tsoome> the HBA itselt is basically nothing, rest can be quite costly - actual fibre, switches for connectivity etc
[09:59:58] <asyd> \_o<
[10:00:29] <lkthomas> yes
[10:00:47] <lkthomas> but I assume you do know the HBA could cost you 1200USD ?
[10:06:33] <hali> a hba can easily cost you 2000USD
[10:06:38] <lkthomas> yep
[10:06:41] <lkthomas> see
[10:06:56] <hali> so in the conext of a fc fabric it's not that much
[10:07:10] <lkthomas> hmm
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[10:24:44] <DTEIT> hi
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[10:29:51] <DTEIT> i have some problem with virt-install
[10:29:59] <DTEIT> it gives me:
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[10:30:13] <DTEIT> xend.err 'Error creating domain: Disk image does not exist: /root/fdfullcd.iso'
[10:30:19] <DTEIT> but
[10:30:30] <DTEIT> ls -l /root/fdfullcd.iso
[10:30:47] <DTEIT> am i missing something?
[10:31:06] <seanmcg> a 160MB iso ?
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[10:32:18] <DTEIT> yes...i wanted to try to do some things...it's a freedos iso
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[10:56:27] <airjump> hello
[10:56:42] <airjump> how boot a ultra 5 from cdrom
[10:56:52] <airjump> start ultra 5 and press stop
[10:57:00] <airjump> write cdrom
[10:57:30] <airjump> don't work
[10:58:28] <Stric> 'boot cdrom'
[10:58:40] <airjump> don't work
[10:58:47] <lkthomas> your CD is broken
[10:59:00] <airjump> no work in a other ultra 5
[10:59:16] <lkthomas> your CDROM is broken I think ?
[10:59:31] <Stric> ultra5's are like 10 years old or more.. it's not guaranteed that the cdrom is still working
[10:59:38] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:59:48] <airjump> no the old system start and can read the cd
[11:00:00] <Stric> ok, so your cdrom is broken
[11:00:14] <Stric> (the reader)
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[11:14:47] <airjump> i mount the cdrom on debian sparc (ultra 5)
[11:14:54] <airjump> the cd work fine
[11:15:11] <airjump> how can start the setup from linux wit the mounted cdrom
[11:15:12] <airjump> ?
[11:15:37] <Stric> airjump: if your cdrom (the reader, not the plastic disc) is broken in one u5 and works in another, you can try just swapping them for the install
[11:16:08] <airjump> Stric: OK
[11:16:22] <Stric> they don't last forever
[11:23:02] <lkthomas> JBOD chassis cost so much
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[11:30:30] <lkthomas> guys, what storage server chassis are you using ?
[11:30:45] <lkthomas> chenbro cost too much
[11:31:41] * Stric has an infortrend raid box turned jbod
[11:32:00] <lkthomas> hey, I don't mean for 6HDD
[11:32:04] <lkthomas> I mean like 16bay
[11:32:33] <Stric> I haven't said anything about 6 disks
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[11:32:57] <Stric> they have 8/12/16/24..
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[11:33:00] <lkthomas> I think supermicro cost even more ?
[11:33:05] <lkthomas> which brand is it ?
[11:33:34] <Stric> already said.. Infortrend..
[11:33:52] <lkthomas> let me check
[11:34:00] <lkthomas> which model did you bought ?
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[11:34:19] <Stric> A08U-G2421 or so
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[11:35:43] <lkthomas> actually
[11:35:47] <lkthomas> if I don't use hotswap bay
[11:35:56] <lkthomas> the tower should cost me less than 400bucks ?
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[11:40:07] <codestr0m> is strsep a typo or maybe a missing lib on Solaris? for (ap = argv; (*ap = strsep(&cp, "\r\n\t ")) != NULL;)
[11:40:22] <codestr0m> last line I think in porting this app
[11:42:36] <seanmcg> strtok(3C) ?
[11:42:37] <Cyrille> I don't think there's strsep in Solaris.
[11:42:48] <Cyrille> and I'm not sure strtok is a direct replacement.
[11:43:45] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I'll look at the manpage..
[11:44:17] <codestr0m> winehq had the same problem it looks like and solved it. thankfully both programs are gpl :P
[11:49:28] <lkthomas> hmm
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[11:50:06] <lkthomas> is it possible to make opensolaris use onboard speaker to tell me when ZFS checksum error happen ?
[11:50:53] <codestr0m> seanmcg: thanks a lot.. I'm not sure if strtok is portable, but works for me and another guy on linux confirmed he has it.. now I get to start testing/porting other things
[11:52:31] <DTEIT> i have some problem tryin to use lucreate
[11:52:50] <DTEIT> ERROR: Unable to determine major and minor device numbers for root device <rpool/ROOT/snv_97>.
[11:52:54] <DTEIT> ERROR: Unable to determine the physical boot device for the current BE <snv_97>.
[11:53:26] <DTEIT> from the man page: lucreate -c snv_97 -n snv_98
[11:53:32] <DTEIT> should work
[11:54:13] <Cyrille> codestr0m, look at http://blogs.sun.com/vlad/entry/strsep_in_libc
[11:54:32] <Cyrille> apparently it's a very recent addition but you might be able to patch it into your code or something.
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[11:55:26] <codestr0m> Cyrille: umm.. when I build on I'll consider this, but not sure I'm too thrilled about that :P
[11:56:32] <Cyrille> fair enough, at least I think it answers the questions about strtok strsep (as in strsep not in Solaris and strsep != strtok).
[11:56:49] <codestr0m> yes. indeed. thanks
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[12:13:22] <Stric> lkthomas: the infortrend ones are cheap, but not that cheap.. they're complete raid boxes afterall
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[12:25:23] <DTEIT> one question....opensolaris would load solaris 10 driver?
[12:26:30] <Stric> should work, but no guarantees
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[14:06:09] <BlueAidan_work> hi all: I'm on the postgresql-hackers mailing list, and noticed that there was a call for some input on improving performance using async io. The devs weren't sure how to tune this on solaris. The root message is:
[14:06:09] <BlueAidan_work> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-09/msg01401.php
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[14:06:18] <BlueAidan_work> There were some questions, here: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-09/msg01440.php
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[14:07:07] <BlueAidan_work> and here: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2008-09/msg01468.php
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[15:08:24] <davismj> hi
[15:08:44] <davismj> i have been looking all over for some information on an AMD64 release of open solaris
[15:09:11] <DTEIT> is already 64 bit
[15:09:39] <davismj> opensolaris? i only can find 1 iso and its an i386 release :-(
[15:09:44] <davismj> on their website anyway
[15:09:49] <_mary_kate_> no, it's an x86 release
[15:09:50] <tsoome> ?
[15:09:52] <_mary_kate_> it supports both 32 and 64 bit systems
[15:10:19] <davismj> oh, does it employ 64 bit chips though? so i can use my 4 gb ram?
[15:10:20] <tsoome> this is not linux or windows where you have to pick the correct one...
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[15:10:30] <_mary_kate_> davismj: it runs in 64-bit mode if you have 64-bit hardware
[15:10:39] <davismj> ohh neat
[15:11:19] <DTEIT> apropos....i'm trying to install opensolaris on a not supported raid controller
[15:11:26] <DTEIT> hp has the solaris driver
[15:11:42] <DTEIT> but how to add it to the opensolaris so that it can see the hds?
[15:12:00] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: you need to build a custom x86.miniroot.  the easiest way is with a network installation
[15:12:07] <_mary_kate_> there are some instructions on google somewhere
[15:12:31] <DTEIT> really? even solaris has an option for it
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[15:13:12] <_mary_kate_> for what?
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[15:13:22] <_mary_kate_> the procedure is the same on solaris... unless you want to mess with 'ITU floppies'
[15:13:29] <_mary_kate_> (hint: dont.)
[15:13:58] <Okona> DTEIT, what does the README say?
[15:13:59] <DTEIT> no...solaris has in text mode an option to give some addtional drivers
[15:14:08] <_mary_kate_> that's an ITU
[15:14:12] <DTEIT> ahh :-)
[15:14:18] <cmihai> Use JumpStart :-).
[15:14:24] <_mary_kate_> you can do it that way, but it's a pain, and anyway 2008.05 doesn't use that installer
[15:14:34] <_mary_kate_> the right way on both OSs is to update the miniroot
[15:14:48] <DTEIT> on solaris works pretty well actually
[15:14:55] <DTEIT> solaris 10 and sxce
[15:15:18] <_mary_kate_> i guess if you think manual installs work well that might be true ;)
[15:15:32] <Okona> DTEIT: which controller is it?
[15:15:38] <DTEIT> HP P400
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[15:16:15] <mbz> hiya
[15:16:30] <mbz> is there opensolaris cd for sparc?
[15:16:41] <_mary_kate_> mbz: not for indiana.  use SXCE
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[15:17:24] <DTEIT> just one question....sxce is usable for production servers?
[15:17:28] <mbz> _mary_kate_, there are a lot of cd images. which ones are really necessary for the minimum installation?
[15:17:31] <DTEIT> i mean legally speaking
[15:17:38] <jmcp> yes, it is
[15:17:42] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: not according to the EULA
[15:17:46] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: in real life, it is, and sun doesn't care
[15:17:51] <DTEIT> ah
[15:17:59] <_mary_kate_> (they're just too lazy to update the license)
[15:18:21] <DTEIT> then i think i'll stick to the sxce
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[15:18:26] <Okona> i'd say they want to keep their fingers clean.
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[15:19:24] <DTEIT> actually i was thinking about opensolaris...
[15:19:37] <DTEIT> hp gives a packaged version of the driver
[15:19:55] <DTEIT> if i install it in the live cd...is there a possibility of success?
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[15:21:46] <Okona> just try
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[15:22:14] <DTEIT> i'll do
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[15:23:31] <mbz> I've an ultra 5 station with 384mib of ram. will solaris b98 run on it? ;)
[15:23:52] <ballChalk> sure, may require more to install though (512)
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[15:24:36] <mbz> sounds promising
[15:26:33] <BlueAidan_work> just don't try and use zfs
[15:26:35] <BlueAidan_work> ;)
[15:26:52] <Okona> (-:
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[15:31:20] <jbk> morning
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[15:32:56] <jimm3rs> is there any vpn client for opensolaris out there?
[15:33:05] <_mary_kate_> what sort of vpn?
[15:33:22] <jimm3rs> I used vpnc and vpnclient on linux
[15:33:33] <jimm3rs> need eq in opensolaris
[15:34:01] <jimm3rs> vpnc does not compile from source, vpnclient (cisco) is not avail for solaris x86
[15:34:01] <_mary_kate_> http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ claims to work onsolaris
[15:34:12] <jimm3rs> it does not in fact
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[15:34:34] <jimm3rs> my system: SunOS opensolaris 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
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[15:34:54] <jimm3rs> sysdep.c:68:24: net/if_tun.h: No such file or directory
[15:35:11] <_mary_kate_> you need to install the tun/tap driver
[15:35:23] <jimm3rs> which package is it?
[15:35:35] <_mary_kate_> i don't think the OS includes it
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[15:36:43] <jimm3rs> hm, then where can I fetch it from?
[15:36:59] <_mary_kate_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=solaris tun driver ?
[15:38:14] <h3sp4wn> Its in SFE
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[15:40:30] <whoami08> TurboVNC maybe, it's build-tested on solaris...
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[15:40:51] <_mary_kate_> turbovnc is a vpn client?
[15:40:58] <whoami08> (hm did this sucky irc client just announce that I'm back?)
[15:41:05] <_mary_kate_> no
[15:41:10] <whoami08> good
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[15:42:15] <Okona> (-:
[15:43:24] <whoami08> vpnc/vnc ... sounds all the same ;)
[15:43:39] <whoami08> ok forget about turbovnc
[15:43:48] <_mary_kate_> vpnc is a client for cisco ipsec vpns
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[15:45:51] <whoami08> cisco, that network monopolist?
[15:46:13] <cmihai> No, the human network.
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[15:47:56] <whoami08> they make our net work ;-)
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[15:50:39] <whoami08> mh fast reboot on x86, sounds interessting
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[15:55:04] <jimm3rs> okay, let me check it out (SFE)
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[16:36:44] <glance> anyone else having problems with cpqary3 on b97/98 ?
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[16:37:47] <DTEIT> glance: which controller?
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[16:40:32] <glance> whatever is the default in a old dl380g2 =)
[16:40:37] <glance> hang on...
[16:41:50] <glance> "Smart Array 5i"
[16:42:26] <DTEIT> ah...i have a P400 and no problem so far
[16:42:54] <glance> WARNING: mutex_init: cd8ece51 is not 4 byte aligned; caller cpqary3_attach+c0 in module cpqary3. This is unsupported and may cause a panic. Please report this to the kernel module supplier.
[16:43:31] <glance> and the stacktrace on the dump says something about cpq and mutexes.
[16:45:13] <DTEIT> are u using the latest version?
[16:45:32] <glance> 1.9.1,Rev=2008.08.25.01.09
[16:47:45] <jbk> sounds like the usual level of 'quality' from HP
[16:47:55] <DTEIT> uhm...actually your controller is not support in this version
[16:48:04] <DTEIT> they start from 6i
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[16:48:09] <jbk> even in linux, which they purport to support heavily, their tools tend to be crap
[16:48:14] <jmcp> glance: there's no real info here, but you're hitting this http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6691488
[16:48:17] <DTEIT> ah no...5i as well
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[16:49:11] <jmcp> or rather, you're hitting 6656426, the fix for which is bundled in to 6691488
[16:49:42] <jmcp> I think it's basically because it's an old driver which has not been updated recently and has some funky kernel structure definition(s)
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[16:50:01] <DTEIT> actually on hp stays 1.91 (3 Sep 2008)
[16:50:18] <jmcp> it's still got funky kernel structures gong on
[16:50:19] <jmcp> going on
[16:50:51] <glance> to me it feels like a no-brainer to fix the alignment of a mutex...
[16:52:00] <jmcp> talk to HP, it's their driver
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[16:52:19] <glance> hurm...
[16:52:21] <jbk> it might get fixed.. in 3 years :)
[16:52:34] * jbk still has scars from their hpsim crap on linux
[16:52:53] <glance> the problem is that i dont have any support on those machines....
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[16:52:54] <jbk> to the point, i really cannot recommend them for *nix
[16:53:15] <glance> hurm.
[16:54:37] <glance> the thing is that i haven't seen any crashes on sol10u5 on that machine, just when running zfs in build-97/98
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[17:03:46] * TomJ looks at his big stack of HP servers with SmartArray P400s
[17:03:48] <TomJ> oh well.
[17:05:06] <DTEIT> TomJ: don't u have onw to give away? :-)
[17:05:10] <DTEIT> one*
[17:10:00] <dclarke> question .. where the hell is the actual official download imagse for OpenSolaris CDROM ISO files ?
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[17:10:09] <dclarke> this .. is not it : http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/
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[17:10:51] <alanc> dclarke: the "get" link on www.opensolaris.com
[17:11:42] <dclarke> okay .. I'll play this game
[17:11:49] <dclarke> I goto the site http://www.opensolaris.org
[17:11:54] <dclarke> and get redirected to http://www.opensolaris.org/os/
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[17:12:12] <dclarke> on the left is  Get Involved  and  Get the Source
[17:12:19] <dclarke> which one would you like ?
[17:12:26] <alanc> .COM
[17:12:40] <dclarke> are you joking ?
[17:12:46] <alanc> no
[17:12:57] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.com/get/
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[17:13:11] <dclarke> fine .. let's play the corporate game
[17:13:17] <dclarke> I goto http://www.opensolaris.com
[17:13:21] <dclarke> click GET
[17:13:31] <dclarke> and see http://www.opensolaris.com/get/
[17:13:49] <dclarke> now what ?
[17:13:59] <alanc> or, if you want to get there from opensolaris.org, click the picture of a CD with the word "Download" on top of every single opensolaris.org page and scroll down
[17:14:11] <dclarke> no no no .. try again
[17:14:13] <Okona> there's a big green circled download arrow
[17:14:25] <dclarke> yeah .. and WHAT IS THAT ?
[17:14:28] <alanc> on http://www.opensolaris.com/get/ look for the big arrow in the green circle pointing at the download links
[17:14:30] <dclarke> you people miss the point .. as usual
[17:14:48] <dclarke> see all this crap : http://dlc-cdn-rd.sun.com/c1/osol/opensolaris/2008/05/os200805-hashes.txt?e=1222182736&h=ea16c997a9dac9309fee07ec2e435796
[17:14:58] <Okona> best viewed with open eyes
[17:15:06] <dclarke> see http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/md5sums_98.txt;jsessionid=94DA224C1A46A1FFCF4C679ED7EF69D9
[17:15:16] <dclarke> where is the osol-0811-98.iso ??
[17:15:34] <alanc> oh, you don't want the official 2008.05 download, but the current development build
[17:15:34] <dclarke> because that link : http://dlc.sun.com/osol/opensolaris/2008/05/os200805.iso
[17:15:38] <dclarke> is NOT it
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[17:16:07] <dclarke> it is alllll just a development build and there is nothing official
[17:16:13] <dclarke> so .. yeah .. the latest
[17:16:25] <alanc> the -98.iso is only available from Sun via bittorrent - for straight http download, see the top entry on genunix.org
[17:16:26] <Okona> but that is ' the actual official download imagse for OpenSolaris CDROM ISO files'
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[17:16:50] <dclarke> Okona : which is now ... what ? five revs out of date ?
[17:17:10] <Okona> that is always the cost with 'official'
[17:17:36] <dclarke> seriosly .. look at the release notes :http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/
[17:17:52] <dclarke> it feels like .. some massive sorporation behind the whole thing and lots of people .. alllll missing the point
[17:18:09] <Okona> which btw should be?
[17:18:30] * dclarke ignores Okona
[17:18:34] <alanc> there is some massive corporation behind the whole thing
[17:18:52] <dclarke> alanc : so the "official" way to point someone to the latest b98 release is to point them to Genunix.org or some other mirror ?
[17:19:05] <dclarke> alanc :yes .. my point is .. no community
[17:19:27] <alanc> corporations and communities are not mutually exclusive
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[17:20:30] <dclarke> look .. I am trying to drop the thing into Beijing China .. so you can work with me .. or against me .. pick one .. but getting this thing here : http://blastwave.unix-center.net/OpenSolaris/update/  helps about half a billion people
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[17:20:46] <dclarke> and maybe 100M with computers
[17:20:55] <alanc> and yes, that would seem to be the official way, since genunix.org is listed as the ISO download site in the release notes for build 98: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-September/012579.html
[17:21:12] <dclarke> right .. and what about the mirror in China that I maintain ?
[17:21:34] <Tempt> You're maintaining mirrors in China now? The blastwave empire grows ever-onward.
[17:21:44] <dclarke> Tempt : that was 9 months ago now
[17:21:55] <alanc> you should contact the indiana release team to tell them you want to be a mirror site like genunix is - they work with Al to get the images pushed to genunix for each build
[17:22:10] <dclarke> Tempt : but if you look at the corporate OpenSolaris sites you will never see a link to allow people there to find it
[17:22:24] <dclarke> alanc :been there .. did that .. got ignored
[17:23:46] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.com/get/#mirrors lists a number of community mirrors - shouldn't be hard to get added there (not sure who that is, I'd ask Gman when it's a more sane hour in NZ)
[17:23:57] <dclarke> alanc :been there .. did that .. got ignored
[17:24:31] <dclarke> alanc : nothing changes with Sun .. just see : http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/  where you can find linkes to all over the place .. but not 1800+ apps over at Blastwave
[17:24:32] <alanc> dclarke: not sure who you asked about the new build mirrors - Dave Minor & David Comay are the people I'd talk to if mailing indiana-discuss failed
[17:24:47] <dclarke> oh heck .. I'll try again ...
[17:25:05] <dclarke> maybe bomb the mail list a few dozen times until someone tells me to shutup and then .. I will have achieved the result
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[18:01:51] <jafari> is there away i can use name service cache daemon to improve performance on ldap client
[18:02:31] <jbk> if nscd is running, it should already be caching stuff if you're using ldap
[18:02:40] <jbk> although i'm not sure if it caches all the databases yet
[18:03:14] <jafari> do you think if its running it will imporve performance on the client side?
[18:04:32] <jafari> i know ldap uses ldap_cachemgr
[18:04:41] <jafari> is it similiar?
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[18:06:15] <davismj> hiiiii
[18:06:46] <jbk> ldap_cachemgr merely acts as a connection pool for ldap connections and if using profiles stored within ldap, takes care of caching them locally on the box
[18:07:00] <davismj> i have a question~
[18:07:01] <jbk> it's probably not the most accurate name for the daemon :)
[18:07:25] <davismj> if i migrate to open solaris, can i rebuild programs traditionally for linux from source?
[18:07:34] <davismj> e.g., exaile music player...?
[18:07:45] <sstallion_work> davismj: assuming they are portable, yes.
[18:08:04] <davismj> what defines their portability?
[18:08:49] <jafari> name service cache daemon is it support on solaris, or this is a linux/bsd thing?
[18:08:50] <sstallion_work> the usual suspects; rely on known standards or libraries which are themselves portable, avoiding kernel specific interfaces
[18:08:53] <sstallion_work> so on and so forth
[18:09:09] <_mary_kate_> jafari: what do you think 'nscd' stands for? :)
[18:09:20] <jafari> name service cache daemon
[18:09:29] <_mary_kate_> so didnt jbk already answer you question?
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[18:10:53] <jafari> when running ldap is nscd started, or this is a separate process
[18:11:00] <jbk> unless you've disabled it, nscd should be running, if it's running, it's caching
[18:11:03] <whoami08> jafari: nscd is also able to print out statistics, it should include ldap, too
[18:11:19] <jbk> it should be running regardless if you're using ldap or not
[18:11:26] <jbk> it's not backend-specific
[18:11:28] <jafari> ah
[18:11:29] <davismj> so what differentiates the solaris kernel from the linux kernel?
[18:11:49] <jafari> is there any command i can run to see if its caching?
[18:11:54] <jbk> so, the next question is do you have an actual ldap performance problem?
[18:12:07] <jbk> nscd -g
[18:12:07] <whoami08> jafari: man nscd
[18:12:43] <whoami08> davismj: zfs, dtrace, zones, scalability just to name a few...
[18:13:00] <jbk> (you do not restart nscd, you just run nscd -g while nscd is already running -- it will talk to the running daemon and get the data)
[18:13:06] <davismj> but aren't those technologies relatively easy to port?
[18:13:35] <_mary_kate_> davismj: then why doesn't linux have them?
[18:13:37] <jafari> yeah , usually when authenticating it seems to take a alittle while to login in
[18:13:49] <whoami08> license... *cought*
[18:14:00] <davismj> open solaris is a recent opening maybe?
[18:14:08] <davismj> i'm not sure, i'm not here to bash solaris or anything
[18:14:11] <davismj> i'm here cause i'm interested in it
[18:14:20] <jbk> actually, i think it's more NIH
[18:14:30] <jbk> but in some ways yes, other ways no
[18:14:44] <jbk> in theory, yes zfs, dtrace, even zones could probably be ported to linux
[18:14:48] <jbk> but so far they're not
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[18:14:56] <jbk> and in the case of dtrace
[18:15:21] <sstallion_work> davismj: the kernel is the core of any given operating system and will almost always be different from another in some significant manner
[18:15:22] <_mary_kate_> davismj: well, if you want to know what the difference between linux and solaris is, whether something's easy to port isn't really an issue; the issue is whether linux has those technologies or not (and vice versa)
[18:15:26] <jbk> they're trying to emulating it, but so far have not even reached feature parity with the features dtrace had 3 years ago when solaris 10 was first released
[18:15:32] <sstallion_work> there is quite a bit of sharing between the BSD's, but each one has a unique kernel
[18:16:00] <whoami08> (and OS X)
[18:16:08] <sstallion_work> os x is not a bsd kernel
[18:16:13] <sstallion_work> its based on mach
[18:16:17] <jbk> so i'm not sure how the portability of features from solaris to linux is relevant unless they're actually being ported
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[18:16:28] <whoami08> you said sharing... zfs and dtrace are also in OS X
[18:16:57] <davismj> i tried opensolaris when it was released
[18:16:59] <jbk> (it's a different discussion for platforms where it has happened)
[18:17:03] <sstallion_work> thats more of a byproduct of the bsd relationship than anything else
[18:17:04] <davismj> it didn't support a lot of my hardware
[18:17:31] <davismj> i know that they recently updated it
[18:17:36] <davismj> student pack or something
[18:17:47] <jafari> how do i check nscd -g to see if its caching anything from ldap
[18:20:07] <jbk> well for authentication, it's not going to cache passwords
[18:20:11] <jbk> it never does that
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[18:20:30] <XgomaX_> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/1259731/
[18:20:35] <jafari> :)
[18:20:37] <jafari> :(
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[18:20:46] <jbk> i would suggest logging in, then tracing a 2nd logging attempt if you are concerned about that
[18:20:50] <_mary_kate_> authentication isn't nss anyway, rather PAM.  it never goes through nscd
[18:20:53] <jbk> also, are you using NFS home directories?
[18:21:05] <_mary_kate_> (unless you're using pam_unix with ldap i guess - is taht possible?)
[18:21:11] <jbk> yes
[18:21:17] <jafari> yea, using automount
[18:21:21] <jbk> if passwords are stored in the crypt format
[18:21:25] <_mary_kate_> jbk: but it would only work with {crypt} passwords, right?
[18:21:41] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: it is, I use it at home
[18:21:45] <jbk> i would trace the login session to make sure that the issue is actually the ldap authentication
[18:21:55] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: it requires the use of an ldap proxy, but you can circumvent pam_ldap quite nicely
[18:22:01] <jbk> a lot of times i see the default quota check on nfs filesystems cause slowness with logging in
[18:22:32] <jbk> you could try (as a test) creating '.hushlogin' in your home directory, then log in again to see if it's still slow
[18:22:34] <jafari> so i guess it could be my automount of home dir
[18:22:53] <jbk> that will bypass the quota check (among other things)
[18:22:57] <jbk> on a default setup
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[18:23:30] <jafari> thank jbk
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[18:55:06] <davismj1> hiiii
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[19:00:12] <Paulnewb5> Hello all
[19:00:35] <ballChalk> you joined in 3 clients...  seems excessive
[19:00:53] <e^ipi> hmm, i thought i got rid of this a while ago
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[19:01:17] <e^ipi> o_O
[19:01:27] <whoami08> auto rejoin ts ts ts
[19:01:58] <Paulnewb5> I loaded opesolaris on a virtual box and can not get past the login screen
[19:02:18] *** e^ipi sets mode: -b *!bevinbot*@*
[19:02:21] <ballChalk> Let us know when you have a question
[19:02:32] *** e^ipi sets mode: -b bevinbot!*@*
[19:02:44] *** e^ipi sets mode: -b *!*@84.59.133*
[19:02:58] <Paulnewb5> I may have fat fingered the login or password on installation can I recover the login and password?
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[19:03:28] <ballChalk> at grub boot prompt, hit e, hit e, edit kernel line to have '-s' at the end, hit enter, hit b to boot
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[19:03:44] <ballChalk> i guess.  or use the installation media to mount your busted installation and proceed manually
[19:04:30] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: why did you ban drone?
[19:04:52] <e^ipi> the logging bot?
[19:05:04] <_mary_kate_> yes
[19:05:14] <e^ipi> because IRC is a temporary medium and it's rude to record it
[19:05:20] <Paulnewb5> so i boot from cd image instead of hd?
[19:05:26] <_mary_kate_> but benr already said we have an official logging bot
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[19:05:36] <_mary_kate_> what's wrong with another?  it provides useful !seen function
[19:05:42] <ballChalk> Paulnewb5: i cant understand how you could fat finger it - you have to type it twice.  maybe there's another issue
[19:06:28] <Paulnewb5> man, i can screw up most things.  what other issues might cause this?
[19:07:20] <ballChalk> caps lock, using wrong login, its up to you to do that part.  i just gave you the 'solaris way' to do it.  using the installation medium and mounting is the best way
[19:07:52] <e^ipi> using an old alpha version and having a 'v' in your password
[19:09:01] <Paulnewb5> will give it a try.  also, i have a ^ in my password does that matter?
[19:09:42] <davismj1> besides the graphical package manager, is there a terminal line package management system in open solaris
[19:09:56] <ballChalk> i cant say i've read the code and know for sure it doesn't matter, but i would bet that it doesn't matter for a password
[19:09:58] <e^ipi> davismj1: man pkg
[19:10:08] <davismj1> ah cool
[19:10:25] <davismj1> what package format does opensolaris use?
[19:10:33] <ballChalk> svr4
[19:10:37] <whoami08> IPS
[19:10:47] <whoami08> or? :)
[19:11:06] <Paulnewb5> thanks ballChalk!
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[19:13:15] <davismj1> will man pkg tell me how to create packages too?
[19:14:33] <e^ipi> no
[19:14:52] <e^ipi> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/sparc/html/creating.solaris.packages.html
[19:14:55] <e^ipi> that will though
[19:15:04] <davismj1> are you sun employees?
[19:15:05] <e^ipi> ( you'll be making sysvr4 packages )
[19:15:11] <e^ipi> some of us are
[19:15:30] <davismj1> are you though?
[19:15:45] <e^ipi> i'm an intern, yes
[19:15:48] <davismj1> oh cool
[19:15:50] <davismj1> college student?
[19:15:54] <e^ipi> yeah
[19:15:56] <davismj1> whereat
[19:16:13] <davismj1> where at*?
[19:16:17] <e^ipi> canada
[19:16:39] <davismj1> how old are you?
[19:17:16] <e^ipi> does it matter?
[19:17:24] <davismj1> contextually, i'm a student too
[19:17:28] <davismj1> in business though, i'm 22
[19:17:42] <davismj1> i really want to get more into the computer science field
[19:17:48] <davismj1> especially open source products
[19:18:14] <davismj1> i was gunna ask you about what you study and how you got your internship, that sort of thing
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[19:20:48] <davismj1> sorry...
[19:22:11] <davismj1> as a businessperson i'm also interested in sun's strategic position in opening solaris
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[19:26:20] <e^ipi> i got my internship from being in the community so long
[19:26:20] <Omega_Red> Could i install OpenSolaris in an external HD?
[19:26:22] <e^ipi> i study CS
[19:27:18] <e^ipi> as for sun's strategic position, i dunno there's a bunch of competing things
[19:27:49] <davismj1> ya
[19:28:00] <jbk> there's also a whole book on docs.sun.com for making sysv packages
[19:28:03] <davismj1> its interesting reading the letters from programmers who are upset with sun and quit the community
[19:28:09] <davismj1> oh thats cool~!
[19:28:11] <e^ipi> on the one hand it's wicked good advertising, companies want the ability to see/modify/verify code and the assurances that when the host company goes out of business it's possible that someone else will take up the slack
[19:28:16] <davismj1> i want to contribute but i don't know much
[19:28:32] <e^ipi> there's also the 'free labour' part of it which is mostly a cynical way of looking at it
[19:28:54] <e^ipi> open-source also means that more people use it in general, which drives the cost of sysadmins down
[19:29:08] <davismj1> ya
[19:29:11] <e^ipi> which , if you're looking to roll out infrastructure, is a consideration
[19:29:19] <Omega_Red> Could i install OpenSolaris in an external HD?
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[19:29:25] <e^ipi> Omega_Red: probably
[19:29:51] <davismj1> as for free labor--look at ubuntu, completely free and redistributable software, but they are actually -paying- people to work on -other- open source projects, such as the linux kernel and gnome
[19:29:54] <e^ipi> davismj1: the people who got upset and quit were about a year ago, there was some unpleasantness but we're over that now largely
[19:30:15] <e^ipi> davismj1: sun pays a bunch of people to work on X, GNOME, other free software
[19:30:23] <Omega_Red> thnx!
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[19:33:18] <davismj1> oh cool i didn't know that
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[19:36:59] <davismj1> opensolaris needs people to help create packages right?
[19:37:06] <davismj1> that would be a meaningful way to contribute
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[19:41:45] <e^ipi> yeah
[19:41:52] <e^ipi> there's even a couple job openings to that effect
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[19:43:32] <e^ipi> talk to the IPS people for specific instructions on how to do that, as it stands there's no open repository
[19:45:02] <davismj1> where do i find the ips people
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[19:48:35] <e^ipi> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-discuss
[19:48:42] <e^ipi> that mailing list
[19:51:08] <jimm3rs> where does opensolaris keep fonts?
[19:55:07] <whoami08> where did you look so far? ;)
[19:56:54] <whoami08> nowhere, I see, well IIRC opensolaris is using Xorg; a quick google search should tell you where the fonts are
[19:58:19] <e^ipi> :) i like you...
[20:00:06] <whoami08> mh well, sometimes I ask myself is this is subliminal bashing...
[20:00:14] <jimm3rs> well, I cannot find font named 'Latha' in ~/.fonts nor in /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts
[20:00:28] <jimm3rs> while I see it in gedit font list e.g.
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[20:03:54] <whoami08> jimm3rs: my crystal ball tells me you're looking for fc-list or xlsfont...
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[20:05:01] <tilt> i'm having a slight problem
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[20:05:32] <tilt> after installing SUNWpython-pyopenssl pkg is broken
[20:06:20] <tilt> looks like it's looking for MD5Init in libnsl and not finding it (though strings /lib/libnsl.so.1 shows it's there)
[20:07:34] <whoami08> you're not the first one...
[20:08:49] <tilt> so no solution as of yet ?
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[20:09:33] <whoami08> frankly, I haven't seen the guy (which had the same problem) again after he said he's trying to reboot...
[20:09:58] <Tilt> i don't know how that would solve the problem
[20:10:49] <whoami08> yes but we were clueless and (at least with windoze) a reboot helps from time to time :)
[20:11:34] <Tilt> hrmmm
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[20:13:47] <Tilt> i'm worried this problem might not allow the system to come back up
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[20:17:27] <whoami08> Tilt: I'd ask for help in one of the opensolaris forums...
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[20:18:53] <Tilt> i was crossing my fingers for a "oh that's easy solution" but i can just hack at it and fix it.... i was just looking to save some time
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[20:19:27] <hohum> how do I edit my network configuration
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[20:21:02] <Tilt> are you using nwamd ?
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[20:22:31] <hohum> nwamd?
[20:22:41] <hohum> this is a sun fire x4500 with a brand new installation of OpenSolaris
[20:22:51] <turtle> is it loud and pretty!?
[20:22:56] <hohum> yep :)
[20:22:59] <Tilt> svcs svc:/network/physical
[20:23:04] <hohum> looks attractive in the rack
[20:23:19] <Tilt> will tell you if your using nwamd
[20:23:25] <whoami08> hohum: which network settings? from solaris or the management board?
[20:23:38] <hohum> from solaris
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[20:23:45] <hohum> so I can give the GigEs on the box IPs
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[20:24:27] <Tilt> nwamd only allows one connection at a time
[20:24:50] <jafari> what i am trying to accomplish is to ease the stress off the master ldap server for authenication, so i was wondering is there a way to use nscd to do local caching for authenication
[20:24:52] <whoami08> hohum: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/change_hostname.jsp option 2
[20:24:54] <Tilt> if you wanna have a multi-homed box you will have to switch to default from nwamd
[20:25:05] <jafari> so it would not go to the master ldap server each time
[20:25:56] <whoami08> jafari: isn't that a one-time only thing at login? doesn't sound like a lot of stress for the ldap server :)
[20:26:39] <jafari> i am not sure thats what i am trying to figure out, i think it goes to the master server per each login
[20:27:31] <Tilt> ahha MD5Init does NOT exist in libnsl.so
[20:28:02] <Tilt> now to figure out how to fix it
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[20:30:21] <whoami08> jafari: just curious; how often do you log in and out... say per hour? :)
[20:31:20] <jafari> i login to may systems and its not just me. i have developers,sysadm, managers etc login to many different syste,s that is using ldap authenication
[20:31:21] <Stric> whoami08: scale it up..
[20:31:35] <godsgifttowomen> er is anyone here into ksh?
[20:31:50] <e^ipi> "in to" ?
[20:31:56] <e^ipi> what does that mean?
[20:32:06] <godsgifttowomen> well bash remembers my commands, how do i get ksh to do that
[20:32:07] <godsgifttowomen> ?
[20:32:18] <e^ipi> oh, are you using ksh93?
[20:32:32] <whoami08> jafari: sounds more like there're some things not "optimized" in your LDAP database, did you index all the necessary fields?
[20:32:42] <e^ipi> it should be set by default
[20:33:24] <e^ipi> if not you can just drop " set -o gmacs " in your .profile
[20:33:25] <godsgifttowomen> rpm -qa|grep -i ksh  ksh-20060214-1.7
[20:33:32] <godsgifttowomen> using magic centos version lol
[20:33:33] <jafari> not sure
[20:33:37] <e^ipi> rpm?
[20:33:40] <godsgifttowomen> centos
[20:33:42] <jafari> i dont know ldap very well
[20:33:50] <e^ipi> why are you asking here then?
[20:33:56] <e^ipi> #centos
[20:34:01] <godsgifttowomen> because you gave the the idea to use ksh
[20:34:04] <godsgifttowomen> :)
[20:34:17] <e^ipi> well try the thing i posted
[20:34:27] <e^ipi> <@e^ipi> if not you can just drop " set -o gmacs " in your .profile
[20:34:28] <Tilt> can somebody dcc me there /lib/libnsl.so.1 i wanna try something
[20:34:29] <whoami08> jafari: but you're responsible for the ldap thingie?
[20:34:48] <Tilt> their
[20:35:34] <jafari> yeah, it was a project dump on my plate, i been doing dlap slave replication, i am trying to looking to nscd + ldap
[20:35:51] <Tilt> you should get my friend toms book on ldap
[20:36:23] <jafari> where? i was also looking for a goos admin book on ldap @ amazon
[20:36:40] <whoami08> I hate ldap, IMHO the only company that made it userfriendly is M$ with AD...
[20:36:57] <jafari> any recommandation, i have O'reilly LDAP systems admin book, but it mostly relate to BSD setups
[20:37:15] <jafari> whoami08, tell me about LDAP sucks
[20:37:24] <Tilt> http://www.amazon.com/Deploying-OpenLDAP-Tom-Jackiewicz/dp/1590594134/ref=sr_1_1/103-1925461-6848642?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222195043&sr=1-1
[20:37:33] <jafari> than i have to look into reporting and log analysis
[20:37:41] <cypromis> DSEE6
[20:37:47] <cypromis> and your ldap problems disappear
[20:37:50] <jafari> yes dsee 6.3
[20:38:01] <cypromis> at least mine did
[20:38:10] <cypromis> even the centos or fedora ldap servers are easy
[20:38:15] <cypromis> the openldap stuff is a pain
[20:38:53] <jafari> well actually, i am building a new ldap infrastructure. right now i am rolling out dsee 6.3 slave replica from a ldap dsee 5.2 master
[20:39:12] <jafari> after i am done with the 6.3 slaves i will be upgrading the master to 6.3
[20:39:19] <codestr0m> ldap sucks
[20:39:32] <jafari> i rather use NIS
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[20:40:16] <jafari> i dont know anythin gabout ldap and i have no choice but to learn it
[20:41:10] <hohum> LDAP really isn't so bad, especially if you need to run Samba and want to be a directory service for windows
[20:41:46] <holcomb> ldap rules
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[20:42:21] <hohum> how do I get a list of disks in my machine
[20:43:06] <whoami08> hohum: IIRC there's a hd cmd for the thumper
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[20:44:47] <godsgifttowomen> e^ipi: I got ksh 2008-02-02
[20:44:49] <jafari> Tilt, is that but helpful with DSEE6.3
[20:44:53] <godsgifttowomen> the set thing doesnt work
[20:44:58] <godsgifttowomen> unless it needs the quotes?
[20:45:17] <e^ipi> try 'emacs' not 'gmacs'
[20:45:18] <holcomb> format
[20:45:21] <e^ipi> could be some gnu thing
[20:45:30] <e^ipi> *shrug* i dunno, works in solaris
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[20:46:26] <whoami08> hohum: http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4500/downloads.jsp ; but stuff like cfgadm, iostat, zpool should also show you the discs
[20:46:31] <godsgifttowomen> buggery
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[20:46:48] <whoami08> hohum: ah right, good old format..
[20:47:39] <e^ipi> godsgifttowomen: google it , there's probably instructions
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[20:52:49] <godsgifttowomen> http://bootiack.livejournal.com/294253.html yep
[20:52:52] <godsgifttowomen> Im good now
[20:53:02] <godsgifttowomen> created a blgo post for the solution
[20:53:03] <godsgifttowomen> :)
[20:53:06] <godsgifttowomen> blog even
[20:53:21] <godsgifttowomen> no FAIL!
[20:55:41] <godsgifttowomen> I really love myself
[20:56:10] <godsgifttowomen> hey if I slap opensoalri on a partition on this box, will the isntaller be smart enuf to see my centos partition, and put ti in grub?
[20:59:21] <trochej> No
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[21:02:09] <Doc> wow.. opensolaris still exists?  cool!
[21:02:38] <skullone> was there doubt?
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[21:03:01] <godsgifttowomen> wow ksh seesm powerful
[21:03:05] <godsgifttowomen> seems--
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[21:10:16] <e^ipi> godsgifttowomen: yep, pretty much
[21:10:48] <godsgifttowomen> although you were right that tclsh seems to be able to use prety much everything too
[21:10:57] <godsgifttowomen> so ksh > tcl?
[21:10:57] <sickness> ksh++
[21:11:00] <sickness> pdksh++
[21:11:03] <sickness> bash--
[21:11:05] <sickness> :P
[21:11:25] <Stric> tcl is a drain bramage..
[21:11:53] <godsgifttowomen> how about zsh?
[21:13:47] <Aria> zsh can't decide whether it's a shell or a swiss army chainsaw.
[21:14:02] <dunc> heh
[21:14:15] <sstallion_work> tcl works well enough
[21:14:25] <sstallion_work> its a tooling language; provided thats what its used for there is no problem
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[21:28:13] <Asako> hello
[21:28:37] <Aria> Hello.
[21:28:38] <Asako> has anybody noticed an issue with the save button not working on firefox bookmarks?
[21:29:22] <Asako> I can't change any bookmark names
[21:30:52] <Asako> all files are owned by me
[21:34:00] <Asako> and is there a way to install amarok?
[21:34:07] <e^ipi> and you have permission, including ACL's ( which you can only see if you don't have GNU ls in your path ) ?
[21:35:02] <Asako>  /bin/ls?
[21:35:19] <e^ipi> yeah, rather than /usr/gnu/bin/ls
[21:35:23] <Asako> pretty sure I have permissions on my home directory
[21:35:25] <e^ipi> ls -v
[21:35:54] <e^ipi> *shrug* you might've changed something in a subdir somewhere
[21:36:11] <e^ipi> just a guess
[21:36:39] <Aria> Firefox 3.0.1?
[21:36:44] <Asako> yeah
[21:36:53] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: thats no surprise, firefox 3 has been... less than decent on solaris
[21:37:09] <sstallion_work> i'm still sitting on b89 at home for that exact reason
[21:37:14] <Asako> can I downgrade it?
[21:37:15] <Aria> Might check by running sqlite3 on the bookmarks db
[21:37:17] <Aria> Vacuuming it.
[21:37:31] <sstallion_work> Asako: sure. remove the packages, install the 2.x packages from mozilla contrib
[21:37:41] <Asako> I have FF 3 any way
[21:37:43] <Asako> er, hate
[21:37:50] <e^ipi> yeah, ff3 is pretty crap in general
[21:37:54] <sstallion_work> I like it, it just still has a few kinks to be worked out
[21:38:02] <Asako> I wish galeon worked
[21:38:07] <sstallion_work> yech
[21:38:19] <Asako> it makes me more productive
[21:38:19] <sstallion_work> I do *not* miss the pre-firefox days
[21:38:26] <TomJ> FF3 is better htan FF2, just not very much
[21:38:35] <TomJ> still doesnt seem to have gotten to the bottom of its memory usage
[21:38:51] <sstallion_work> It would take 10 hours just to build a mozilla release on my sparcstation
[21:39:02] <sstallion_work> and pre-mozilla you were at the mercy of either netscape or mosaic
[21:39:14] <e^ipi> or microsoft
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[21:39:18] <sstallion_work> chimera wasnt too bad
[21:39:22] <Asako> what other browsers are there?
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[21:39:36] <e^ipi> Asako: opera
[21:40:04] <bigjohnto> tape /dev/rmt/##b what does the b represent?
[21:40:31] <Asako> SUNWfirefox at 0 dot 5.11-0.98 is that version 3?
[21:42:06] <TomJ> opera is nice but I always miss my FF addons whenever I try it
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[21:42:28] <Asako> the links for 2.0 don't even work
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[21:43:15] <ottom> bigjohnto: "BSD behaviour".  See 'man mtio'.
[21:44:39] <Asako> I can't stand the ssl dialogs either
[21:45:09] <Asako> oh no, it's a self signed cert
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[21:49:51] <Asako> well, sqlite manager works
[21:49:53] <jafari> i was trying to start nscd using svcs command
[21:49:55] <davismj> hiiiii
[21:50:03] <jafari> but it went to maintenence mode
[21:50:04] <jafari> Sep 23 12:49:18 Restarting too quickly, changing state to maintenance
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[21:50:10] <jafari> how can i fix it
[21:50:16] <davismj> i have a question about the live cd: if i pop it in for an install, will it try to format my entire disk? or does it now allow you to split your current partitions and use a part of it as your zfs
[21:50:30] <e^ipi> you read the log and solve whatever it points you at
[21:50:51] <jafari> /var/svc/log/system-name-service-cache:default.log
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[21:50:57] <jafari> tail -f /var/svc/log/system-name-service-cache:default.log
[21:51:01] <jafari> Sep 23 12:49:18 Restarting too quickly, changing state to maintenance
[21:51:08] <jafari> doesnt point me anywhere
[21:51:24] <davismj> i think he's saying read the log
[21:51:37] <jafari>  Sep 23 12:51:41 Leaving maintenance because disable requested.
[21:51:46] <godsgifttowomen> does anyone have a dvd mount on 1 server , then have 100 boxes come up using that image?
[21:51:56] <godsgifttowomen> to grab its kernel cra p n stuff
[21:52:05] <davismj> neg...
[21:52:06] <godsgifttowomen> and all 100 boxes mount NFS to a bunch of fisks somewhere?
[21:52:11] <godsgifttowomen> dissk
[21:52:43] <godsgifttowomen> so if u wana upgrade u jsut use new dvd and reboots boxes?
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[22:02:36] <e^ipi> godsgifttowomen: it's called jumpstart
[22:03:02] <e^ipi> google://jumpstart+enterprise+toolkit
[22:03:29] <sstallion_work> heh
[22:03:33] <victori_> love the new ::memstat update, ZFS File Data   ;-)
[22:03:33] <sstallion_work> google gets its own scheme now ?
[22:03:48] <TomJ> before long they'll get your soul
[22:03:52] <TomJ> all neatly indexed
[22:03:54] <TomJ> with adverts.
[22:04:24] <victori_> what was the kdbstat argument for mdb?
[22:05:45] <Asako> hmm, I can't make a bookmark into a sidebar either
[22:06:25] <victori_> ::kmastat
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[22:07:00] <davismj> any word on that partion question
[22:08:30] <davismj> partition**
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[22:10:20] <davismj> i was wondering if the partition manager on the live cd will allow you to split your current partition and create a solaris partition? or do you have to format your current partition
[22:10:32] <bondolo> Does anyone know if there are non-_KERNEL replacements for outb/inb port io? I'd like to control a device from a shared lib rather than a driver.
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[22:14:16] <Asako> is there a gnumeric package?
[22:14:53] <davismj> gnumeric?
[22:15:10] <Asako> there's one in blastwave but it requires all of gnome
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[22:17:36] <Asako> pkg-get only affects /opt/csw right?
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[22:18:07] <TomJ> yes
[22:18:09] <davismj> i have a question about installing opensolaris, if anyone is arond
[22:18:21] <davismj> around8
[22:18:24] <davismj> around***
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[22:18:54] <Asako> and gnumeric crashes when I run it, hehe
[22:20:15] <Aria> davismj, Nobody's around.
[22:20:19] <Aria> (We just sleeptalk)
[22:20:30] <sickness> davismj: don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
[22:20:32] <davismj> :-(
[22:20:37] <davismj> i did ask, no one responded
[22:20:48] <Asako> that probably means we don't know
[22:21:07] <davismj> my question was whether the partition manager in the live cd will allow you to split partitions and use one part of it for solaris or not
[22:21:22] <davismj> last time i tried my only option was to wipe my disk, it wouldn't let me split the partition
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[22:21:32] <Asako> I'd use gparted first
[22:21:44] <Asako> just leave some free space for solaris
[22:21:53] <sickness> davismj: it will allow to partition, if unsure, try inside a vm first, it works inside all the virtualizators/emulators
[22:21:53] <davismj> yaa
[22:22:17] <davismj> i tried it inside the VM, but it only gave me a solaris and an unused option
[22:22:33] <Asako> blastwave uses IPS, nice
[22:22:46] <davismj> but since the vm was by default an unused partition i don't know if that means it will split and allow a zfs partition or if it will only support zfs
[22:22:49] <Asako> no idea, I've only installed onto new disks
[22:23:09] <sickness> I have it on a notebook in triple boot: win2k3, 2008.11 (beta), openbsd
[22:23:20] <sickness> every os inside a primary partition of its own
[22:23:26] <sickness> so I suppose it's feasible...
[22:23:30] <davismj> 2008.11 beta?
[22:23:37] <davismj> where do i get my hands on that :-D
[22:23:45] <sickness> yeah, there's a 2008.11 iso out, of course not final
[22:23:46] <sickness> mmm
[22:24:05] <sickness> maybe from genunix.org? or there was a link in the discussion list for indiana on opensolaris.org, I don't remember exactly...
[22:24:17] <Asako> genunix has it
[22:24:28] <Asako> running svn97 here
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[22:24:46] <whoami08> opensolaris -> download (upper right) -> 2008.11
[22:24:50] <davismj> cool
[22:24:51] <whoami08> opensolaris dot org
[22:24:54] <Asako> I'm not impressed with how much stuff doesn't work
[22:24:57] <davismj> how stable is it?
[22:25:00] <davismj> oh really?
[22:25:06] <davismj> i'm on 8.10 alpha 6
[22:25:07] <davismj> atm
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[22:25:24] <Asako> you gotta add mp3 support, etc.
[22:25:25] <davismj> its pretty stable, stable enough for me to work and pick out/report bugs
[22:25:35] <jafari> thank you jesus, NSCD works perfectly,
[22:25:37] <Asako> I still can't get cnn video to work
[22:25:58] <TomJ> Asako: having to add mp3 support is common to all open source systems I think
[22:26:04] <jafari> Authentication caching with nscd
[22:26:11] <davismj> yes it is--mp3 is proprietary
[22:26:14] <TomJ> jafari: that's its job
[22:26:17] <davismj> i use ogg only...
[22:26:26] <davismj> i just started but i'm really satisfied
[22:26:34] <TomJ> Real men use FLAC
[22:26:34] <Asako> yeah, all my stuff is mp3
[22:26:39] <jafari> yeah i know i been trying to figure this out all morning
[22:26:41] <Asako> I don't mind adding packages
[22:26:52] <Asako> it's just a pain when you gotta go to fluendo and register, etc.
[22:26:53] <jafari> just finish configuring it on a solaris zone
[22:27:05] <jafari> login no more than 1 sec
[22:27:19] <jafari> before it would sit there for like 10 sec
[22:27:25] <jafari>  or more
[22:27:27] <Asako> and some stuff won't compile on sun, not the OS' fault I know
[22:28:01] <davismj> why won't it compile?
[22:28:15] <Asako> compiler errors usually
[22:29:05] <davismj> what would cause a compiler error
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[22:29:35] <Atomdrache> Eww, I thought this was fixed.
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[22:30:31] <Atomdrache> So on Friday I plugged a USB flash drive thingy into my Ultra (SXCE b90) and after a few minutes, I got that "device is gone" error.  I later find out that volcheck -v returns an error which...huh, isn't returning anymore.
[22:30:46] <Atomdrache> But it's Tuesday and I still see entires for the flash drive--multiple entries, in fact--under iostat -En.
[22:31:11] <Atomdrache> Does anybody know what's going on with this problem whereby the USB flash drive just stops working and fails to be accessible after a few minutes?
[22:31:28] <Atomdrache> I was told that it was fixed in b67 or something, but apparently it still comes up sometimes.
[22:31:42] <YC> Has anyone tried installing to a USB flahs drive?
[22:32:21] <Atomdrache> The flash drive was just being used as a storage volume.  No OS on it.
[22:32:31] <Atomdrache> I wanted to move some files to another machine with it.
[22:32:47] <Atomdrache> Got most of them, except that partway through copying them, the device disappeared.
[22:32:50] <YC> I had some issues with a flash drive similar, but it turned out to be a pretty dodgy drive. :)
[22:33:02] <YC> However, I'm not an expert at OS at al.
[22:33:09] <Atomdrache> If that's the case, then nearly every flash drive I've ever used has been dodgy.
[22:33:28] <Atomdrache> I've used at least three of them on this machine, and two of those make HAL barf.
[22:33:30] <YC> Makes it a little less likely. Unless you have some seriously bad karma...
[22:33:46] <Atomdrache> I had one flash drive not cause a problem,
[22:33:50] <Atomdrache> but it wasn't in that long.
[22:33:55] <Atomdrache> It usually takes about five or so minutes to fail.
[22:34:03] <Atomdrache> And it pretty much always happens.
[22:34:15] <YC> Front or rear USB?
[22:34:27] <Atomdrache> Not sure what you mean.
[22:34:45] <YC> Are the USB ports directly in the motherboard, or attached through the front o the case via cables?
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[22:34:56] <Atomdrache> It's an Ultra 80, so the ports are on a PCI card.
[22:35:08] <YC> Ah. My experience cannot assist, sorry. :)
[22:35:10] <Atomdrache> That goes out to a hub, which services a tablet and a printer--mind you, without incident.
[22:35:15] <YC> (Not that it was likely)
[22:35:21] <Atomdrache> This only happens with flash drives.
[22:35:35] <Atomdrache> Every single time it happens, it goes sort of like this:
[22:35:40] <YC> Flash drives put a hell of a lot more load on the bus than printing or tablets - tried without the hub?
[22:35:47] <Atomdrache> 1.  Insert drive.  Solaris automatically recognizes and mounts it normally.
[22:35:48] <Atomdrache> 2.  Transfer files
[22:35:52] <Atomdrache> 3.  Wait about five minutes.
[22:36:08] <Atomdrache> 4.  File transfer fails if still in progress with "device is gone" error.
[22:36:10] <davismj> okay okay, so as a new user looking to get invovled in the community, should i install 2008.05 bts or 2008.11 beta?
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[22:36:56] <Atomdrache> 5. Cannot unmount flash drive normally; have to yank it out, delete the mount points, and bang on svcadm with a wrench for a while or else the machine is incapable of automatically recognizing and mounting removable media.
[22:37:20] * sstallion_work falls over.
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[22:37:30] <sstallion_work> Best Slashdot post ever: Saturn's rings may be very old
[22:37:31] <sstallion_work> heh
[22:37:39] <YC> Heh. Really.
[22:37:45] * jbk stopped reading slashdot years ago
[22:37:49] <Atomdrache> That's what's really annoying about it--if I plug in a flash drive, not only does the thing go away and screw up a file transfer, but until I bang on the machine for a while, it won't do so much as mount a CD-ROM unless I do it manually.
[22:37:52] <jbk> i think i instantly gained 50 IQ points
[22:38:10] <Atomdrache> It really messes up the machine.
[22:38:30] <Atomdrache> Now, maybe it's because the mountpoints are still there and the services haven't been restarted.  But...eww.
[22:39:06] <Atomdrache> I mean to investigate it further as soon as I'm bored enough and sufficiently willing to torture my computer.
[22:39:09] <YC> A flash drive failing like that tends to confuse most systems. Have you tried it witohut the hub? They tend to be a weak link.
[22:39:17] <Atomdrache> YC: Yes.
[22:39:44] <Atomdrache> I'd like to know why they keep failing in exactly the same way, though.
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[22:40:36] <Atomdrache> I've heard suggestions that there might be some gross, obscure SCSI command that either the drive doesn't understand or Solaris doesn't understand.
[22:40:39] <Atomdrache> But nothing conclusive.
[22:43:19] <Atomdrache> Additionally, I don't seem to have this problem in Solaris 10.
[22:43:27] <Atomdrache> It seems to be entirely specific to SXCE.
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[22:44:59] <Atomdrache> Ah.  Apparently there is a workaround for SXCE b74 and later that involves changing something in /kernel/drv/sd.conf.
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[23:04:25] <sstallion_work> jbk: its interesting to poke up every now and then boredom gets the best of you
[23:04:33] <sstallion_work> poke at rather
[23:05:03] <jbk> the blatant hypocracy and fanboyism gets annoying
[23:05:12] <sstallion_work> ahh, thats why I never read the comments :)
[23:05:25] <jbk> even in the stories
[23:05:48] <sstallion_work> to a certain degree... its not quite as bad, although you have to RTFA to glean anything useful
[23:05:54] <sstallion_work> normally just the headlines crack me up
[23:05:58] <jbk> sun or microsoft could hand out free candy, and the headline would be 'XX trying to make the world fat'
[23:06:07] <sstallion_work> jbk++
[23:06:20] <godsgifttowomen> fanboyism for what product?
[23:06:46] <godsgifttowomen> saturns rings?
[23:06:56] <sstallion_work> heh, usually anything thats *not* a product
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[23:10:21] <sstallion_work> personally, I'd rather have free beer than free speech :P
[23:12:06] <Asako> not me
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[23:18:33] <oxygene> in company of retards, free beer is preferable to free speech
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[23:22:35] <bigjohnto> whats the linux equiv of /dev/rmt/0b?
[23:23:10] <e^ipi> i like beer
[23:23:19] <Asako> /dev/rst0 I think
[23:23:34] <Asako> dmesg will tell you
[23:24:05] <bigjohnto> hmmm
[23:25:34] <bigjohnto> and what does st0l and st0m stand for?
[23:25:43] <bigjohnto> as well as st0a
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[23:26:05] <godsgifttowomen> lol
[23:26:12] <godsgifttowomen> id rather have free womenz!!
[23:26:23] <e^ipi> uhmm... okay
[23:26:39] <godsgifttowomen> heh
[23:27:09] <godsgifttowomen> tuff crowd
[23:28:13] <Aria> .oO(I may be Free, but I'm not free)
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[23:28:38] <Asako> why is sound so quiet?
[23:28:58] <Aria> Earplugs.
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[23:30:33] <Asako> looks like xmms uses a different mixer device
[23:30:35] <tek-ops> i just have a quick solaris (in general) question
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[23:31:17] <tek-ops> on a box running solaris 8, i have a few software raid (mirror)
[23:31:30] <tek-ops> d40 was built with d41 and d42
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[23:37:05] <tek-ops> in error logs I see complaints about sd41
[23:37:09] <tek-ops> is that the same as d41?
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[23:48:02] <RElling1> tek-ops: no, sd41 will be a physical disk
[23:48:09] <sstallion_work> tek-ops: iostat -E
[23:48:22] * sstallion_work &
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[23:52:29] <tek-ops> ok, thanks
[23:53:30] <tek-ops> 1209768
[23:53:32] <tek-ops> oops
[23:53:37] <tek-ops> http://pastebin.ca/1209768
[23:54:11] <tek-ops> theres a lot of drives, just making sure I pull the correct one
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