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[00:06:56] <jbk> though still getting a bunch of strange errors
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[00:40:02] <jbk> hey Tpenta
[00:40:21] <Tpenta> hey
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[00:40:44] <jbk> man.. getting ON to compile on opensolaris is a bit of a pain :)
[00:41:20] <Tpenta> yea i dont think it's there yet
[00:41:38] <Tpenta> I actually havent had to do an ON compile for a bit, I think I have one in a bugfix or two coming up shortly
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[00:42:54] <jbk> well i'm trying to do a rather simple bugfix
[00:43:09] <jbk> but i put opensolaris on my desktop (no way i'm going to attempt to compile ON on my laptop)
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[00:43:34] <jbk> and it's taken 10x as long just to get it to build than it did to do the fix (which is about 10 lines long)
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[00:44:51] <jbk> i'm hoping installing the nspr/ssl packages will fix things
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[00:45:30] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math sin(9.1)
[00:45:30] <ksh93ircbot>  sin(9.1) = 0.319098362349351770793997683985409
[00:46:40] <jbk> taking longer since nightly still runs for 3 hours
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[00:48:38] <piwi> ksh93ircbot: math e^(i*pi)
[00:48:38] <ksh93ircbot>  e^(i*pi) = 0
[00:49:20] <nrubsig> piwi: neither E, PI or I are defined as constants.
[00:49:41] <piwi> ok, i see :)
[00:50:03] <nrubsig> piwi: but it supports the full range of ISO C99 math functions.
[00:50:18] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math copysign(-9, -2)
[00:50:19] <ksh93ircbot>  copysign(-9, -2) = -9
[00:50:24] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math copysign(9, -2)
[00:50:24] <ksh93ircbot>  copysign(9, -2) = -9
[00:50:30] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math copysign(9, 2)
[00:50:30] <ksh93ircbot>  copysign(9, 2) = 9
[00:50:34] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math copysign(-9, 2)
[00:50:34] <ksh93ircbot>  copysign(-9, 2) = 9
[00:50:57] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: math copysign(-nan, 2)
[00:50:57] <ksh93ircbot>  copysign(-nan, 2) = nan
[00:51:18] <nrubsig> ksh93ircbot: stocks
[00:51:19] <ksh93ircbot> JAVA: "JAVA" 8.74 "9/19/2008" "4:00pm" +0.63 8.49 8.75 7.92 21973932
[00:51:20] <ksh93ircbot> IBM: "IBM" 118.85 "9/19/2008" "4:02pm" +7.38 119.59 124.00 117.50 14436424
[00:51:20] <ksh93ircbot> AAPL: "AAPL" 140.91 "9/19/2008" "4:00pm" +6.82 140.79 144.20 136.31 51134048
[00:51:20] <ksh93ircbot> HPQ: "HPQ" 48.26 "9/19/2008" "4:02pm" +2.51 48.87 49.20 47.71 30452088
[00:51:51] <hile_> What the hell are you spamming this channel with?
[00:52:42] <nrubsig> hile_: NASDAQ data
[00:52:54] <nrubsig> hile_: shircbot has a NASDAQ module
[00:53:28] *** e^ipi sets mode: +b ksh93ircbot!*@*
[00:53:31] *** ksh93ircbot was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)
[00:53:33] <e^ipi> none of that.
[00:53:40] <nrubsig> e^ipi: why the kick ?
[00:53:50] <nrubsig> e^ipi: I am testing that thing right now... ;-(
[00:53:51] <hile_> because apparently i wasn't the only one it was annoying the shit out of?
[00:53:52] <e^ipi> flood of crap = gone
[00:53:55] <e^ipi> test it somewhere eles.
[00:55:22] <nrubsig> e^ipi: erm... are you in a bad mood again ?
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[00:55:37] <nrubsig> e^ipi: like the legendary ban of whole china and half of taiwan ?
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[00:56:07] <nrubsig> (not to forget sumatra... but I don't know what those poor guys did to you... ;-( )
[00:57:34] <e^ipi> i haven't banned china in years
[00:58:20] <hile_> I would have thought that "Test it in a private channel" would be common sense.
[00:58:26] <e^ipi> you'd think that, yes
[00:58:44] <nrubsig> hile_: I am building this bot as replacement for Drone
[01:00:04] <e^ipi> we don't need a replacement for drone
[01:00:07] <e^ipi> we don't even need drone.
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[01:00:20] <e^ipi> bots suck.
[01:00:24] <nrubsig> e^stop it.
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[01:00:32] *** Drone was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)
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[01:00:35] <nrubsig> e^ipi: please DO NOT TOCJ DRONE
[01:00:40] <nrubsig> e^STOP IT
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[01:00:59] <nrubsig> e^ipi: Drone  is the archival bot for this channel
[01:01:05] <e^ipi> yeah, lovely
[01:01:11] <nrubsig> e^ipi: please reverse this ban.
[01:01:12] <e^ipi> we definately don't need a bot.
[01:01:19] <nrubsig> e^ipi: please reverse this ban.
[01:01:25] <hile_> That's what logs on your client are for, if there's anyhting worth logging.
[01:01:28] <nrubsig> Or have I have to do that.
[01:01:58] <e^ipi> give me one good reason why we need a bot?
[01:01:59] <nrubsig> e^ipi: Would you please unban drone, please ?
[01:02:29] <nrubsig> e^ipi: we need it as long-term archive in this channel. This has been discussed before, dragged to the channel owner and approved by him.
[01:02:38] <nrubsig> e^ipi: special exception, for Drone only.
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[01:02:58] <e^ipi> irc is a short-term medium
[01:03:34] <hile_> Explain why archives are needed anyhow.  Like I said, if you want to log things, do it on your client.
[01:03:57] <nrubsig> hile_: my IRC client is only tempirary online and can't log the channel forever.
[01:04:10] <nrubsig> neither can other people do full logging all the time.
[01:04:23] <e^ipi> if we meet face to face, i can't log that either
[01:04:32] <e^ipi> or on the phone
[01:04:36] <hile_> actually, you can, but that's beside the point.
[01:05:00] <e^ipi> there are mediums that logging is expected ( mail, email, message boards ) and mediums which it is not ( phone, face, irc )
[01:05:18] <nrubsig> hile_: the point is that you can search the channel logs for activity or messages left for you once you#re offline.
[01:05:46] <e^ipi> that's what email's for
[01:06:10] <e^ipi> it's rude to record phone conversations
[01:06:13] <hile_> Why would someone leave you a message if they see you're not logged in.
[01:06:14] <e^ipi> how is IRC any different?
[01:07:23] <hile_> There are timess that chats and instant messages are logged.
[01:07:37] <hile_> but those are few and far between for regulatory compliance reasons.
[01:08:00] <jbk> like banks
[01:08:03] <jbk> which record everything
[01:08:07] <e^ipi> yes, well let's just call this irc channel not SOX compliant
[01:08:18] <hile_> who cares about SOX :)
[01:08:23] <hile_> I work for a private company
[01:08:39] <hile_> who is FTR a hell of a lot more than SOX compliant :)
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[01:10:22] <nrubsig> e^ipi: it's not rude or something like that. Almost all major channels have logging bots. Mozilla.org runs them, Debian channels have them etc. and long ago we agreed in this channel to have a bot for that purpose.
[01:10:32] <nrubsig> e^ipi: and that bot is called "Drone"
[01:10:50] <nrubsig> e^ipi: if you want to challange that consense please go to the channel owner.
[01:11:04] <nrubsig> e^ipi: s/consense/consens/
[01:11:44] <delewis> there's also a lot of channels on Freenode that aren't logged.
[01:12:15] <delewis> #emacs and some of the other GNU-sponsored channels explicitly forbid logging on the grounds of privacy (they got something right for once)
[01:13:01] <nrubsig> delewis: debian channels and ##linux are logged
[01:13:08] <nrubsig> delewis: so is #bash
[01:13:23] <nrubsig> delewis: and the *BSD channels have logging bots, too.
[01:13:30] <nrubsig> all post to public sites
[01:13:58] <e^ipi> and the NSA taps your phone line too
[01:14:03] <e^ipi> it's still rude
[01:14:07] * nrubsig makes a note in his diary: "Crivens, another bot discussion in #opensolaris"
[01:14:20] <nrubsig> e^ipi: it#s not rude, Drone is supposed to be a public service.
[01:14:46] <nrubsig> e^ipi: Drone is even inckuded in the welcome message of the channel.
[01:14:50] <nrubsig> e^ipi: explicitly
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[01:17:48] <nrubsig> Different topic: Is there anywhere a IRC protocol description ?
[01:18:53] <e^ipi> RFC1459
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[01:23:29] <Fullmoon> The /tmp created by the opensolaris 2008.05 installer is too small for me, can I create a ZFS instead and mount it at /tmp or is that a bad idea?
[01:23:45] <e^ipi> /tmp is mounted to virtual memory
[01:23:54] <Tpenta> if it's small then maybe you need more memory
[01:24:03] <e^ipi> more memory & more swap
[01:24:26] <Fullmoon> If I add more memory I have to resize the swap partion?
[01:24:28] <Fullmoon> *partition
[01:24:31] <e^ipi> no
[01:24:32] <Tpenta> no
[01:24:35] <e^ipi> but it couldn't hurt
[01:24:41] <Tpenta> agreed
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[01:32:49] <Fullmoon> Great, thanks, too bad though :)
[01:33:54] <e^ipi> you can always try just giving yourself more swap *shrug*
[01:34:09] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: You mean without messing with the disk partitions?
[01:34:28] <e^ipi> partitions?
[01:34:32] <e^ipi> zfs.
[01:34:36] <e^ipi> no need for partitions.
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[01:36:06] <TomJ> you can find you need more swap with more RAM, e.g. if you're trying to configure huge heap sizes for Java
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[01:37:12] <Fullmoon> Allright, but swap -l shows the swapfile is on /dev/dsk/c5d0s1, which is on the first disk of my rpool
[01:37:56] <e^ipi> $ swap -l
[01:37:56] <e^ipi> swapfile             dev    swaplo   blocks     free
[01:37:56] <e^ipi> /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap 182,2         8 16777208 16767984
[01:38:20] <Fullmoon> Interesting, not on my system...
[01:38:50] <TomJ> if you had swap writing to a raw device that's part of a zpool, I would expect it either not to work (no swap), or to kill the ZFS
[01:38:54] <TomJ> I dont see how both could work
[01:40:31] <Fullmoon> c5d0s0 is in the rpool, s1 for swap
[01:40:38] <TomJ> ah, that's different
[01:41:14] <e^ipi> i like my way better
[01:41:37] <TomJ> yeah, just let ZFS sort it all out
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[01:53:42] * sstallion hates the name rpool
[01:55:44] <TomJ> tank sucks too
[01:56:18] <jbk> sink?
[01:56:24] <jbk> container?
[01:57:58] <sstallion> root
[01:58:16] <TomJ> brian
[01:58:40] <jamesd> cesspool
[01:58:41] <sstallion> i keep my pool names simpe and straightforward... root, backup, zones, etc.
[01:59:01] <sstallion> having a pool with the word 'pool' in it is redundant as hell
[01:59:30] <sstallion> it would be like calling a swap zvol 'swapvol' instead of just 'swap'
[02:00:18] <sstallion> (I like the idea of using a zvol for swap, but it still seems like unneccessary overhead)
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[02:47:09] <Fullmoon> Any reason why I could not make a new compressed zfs and mount it at /var/log?
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[02:48:24] <Fullmoon> Even though this might be overkill
[02:52:59] <TomJ> if you have ZFS root, then sure no reason at all
[02:53:09] <TomJ> create whatever FS' you want, that's the power of zfs
[02:53:25] <TomJ> if you don't have zfs root, then having /var/log on ZFS might be bad
[02:53:26] <e^ipi> i compress my whole /
[02:53:28] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[02:56:23] <jbk> ok.. now to wait another 3 hours
[02:56:30] <jbk> maybe by next week, i'll have it working
[03:00:56] <TomJ> viagra can help
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[03:01:47] <jbk> haha
[03:04:28] <Fullmoon> logadm is still the prefered way to compress log files, right?
[03:04:45] <Fullmoon> *rotate
[03:04:47] <TomJ> yes
[03:04:52] <TomJ> and compress them if you want
[03:05:07] <Fullmoon> Great, thanks :) I'm sure I can make it move the compress files too
[03:05:42] <TomJ> I hope not, because we wrote a whole log archiver to do that
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[03:07:19] <Fullmoon> TomJ: Willing to share code? :)
[03:11:11] <TomJ> http://pastebin.com/d2262a619
[03:12:15] <TomJ> sample config:  http://pastebin.com/d2da863e7
[03:12:55] <TomJ> it has a major bug if you run it more than once every 24 hours, it creates one tar per day, and it keeps appending to it.  if you run it more than once a day, you therefore end up with several identically named files in the same tar, which is a complete bitch to extract
[03:13:26] <TomJ> it requires Simple.pm
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[03:16:30] <Fullmoon> TomJ: Thanks
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[05:18:45] <jonbaer_> who here uses thumper storage?
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[05:29:03] <noyb> I know benr does.  lots of them at his workplace.
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[06:38:16] * sstallion yawns
[06:39:35] <jbk> hey sstallion
[06:39:49] <sstallion> heya jbk
[06:39:54] * sstallion is debating re
[06:40:05] <jbk> regular expressions?
[06:40:11] <sstallion> nah, the driver
[06:40:16] <jbk> ahh
[06:40:22] <sstallion> mind if i bounce somethin goff of you ?
[06:40:28] <jbk> sure
[06:41:01] <sstallion> alright, the chipset is just odd... in order to read the prom, you have to go through some gyrations that are very similar to initialization (which comes later)
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[06:41:35] <sstallion> so, i've chopped those up into individual function calls... and its bothering me having a call which only does two PIO writes
[06:41:45] <sstallion> otoh, code duplication drives me nuts
[06:42:11] <sstallion> inlining isnt a big deal because this only occurs during init, so call stack overhead is negligible
[06:43:41] <sstallion> any opinions?
[06:43:59] <jbk> is it just two statements that's duplicated?
[06:44:33] <sstallion> its several pairings
[06:44:47] <sstallion> i.e. disable rx and tx involve a single register write
[06:45:12] <sstallion> some of it makes sense to move out, like enabling/disabling interrupts
[06:45:25] <sstallion> others might be too granular (i.e. disabling rx/tx)
[06:47:20] <jbk> hmm not sure..
[06:47:37] <jbk> doesn't sounds from the description that any one way is gonna be better than the other
[06:47:41] <jbk> maybe some macros instead?
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[06:48:35] <sstallion> trying to keep from using too many... there are already several for PIO
[06:48:53] <sstallion> just added inb/inw outb/outw pairings
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[07:14:24] <sstallion> jbk: still around?
[07:14:48] <jbk> yeah
[07:15:01] <jbk> waiting for this nightly run to finish (hopefully succesfully this time)
[07:15:05] <sstallion> *nod*
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[07:15:11] <sstallion> have you updated your emancipation ws lately ?
[07:15:24] <jbk> not in a few week i don't think..
[07:15:36] <sstallion> one sec, let me find a xref in opengrok then
[07:16:39] <sstallion> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/emancipation/drivers/re/src/re.c#367
[07:17:28] <sstallion> question about the style... do you prefer the expanded bitops?
[07:18:47] <jbk> what do you mean?
[07:19:49] <sstallion> something i've found frustrating in the past is seeing a giant chain of or's etc. in ddi_get* calls
[07:20:04] <sstallion> so i expanded these out, one per line... the compiler will optmize it out, it was done more for clarity
[07:20:10] <sstallion> i'm wondering if its worth it to continue
[07:20:53] <jbk> *shrug* i think it's more of a preference
[07:21:06] <jbk> as long as it's still clear what register is being set to which value
[07:21:21] <jbk> (which doesn't appear to be an issue with the code you linked)
[07:21:46] <sstallion> *nod*
[07:22:10] <sstallion> finally got pio working wrt reading the prom
[07:22:17] <sstallion> apparently there are some really odd undocumented rules
[07:22:27] <jbk> heh
[07:22:45] <sstallion> even though its setup for word access, you can only read the prom using byte access
[07:22:53] <sstallion> hence the BERR's from last week
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[08:52:02] <tmroland> wich is better and more up to date for my amd64 pc ? should i use sxce b98 or opensolaris 200805  ?
[08:52:39] <tmroland> and if i install a older release of opensolaris or solaris os is it possible to upgrade all the os to the newest release trough internet or i have to burn another cd and reinstall ?
[08:54:25] <Macabee> in answer to the first question - depends on what you want
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[09:05:59] <tmroland> whats the difference
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[10:55:56] <rax64> hi
[10:56:04] <rax64> wanna know how is opensolaris support for laptop?
[10:58:55] <e^ipi> why not try it
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[10:59:23] <e^ipi> i'm not sure what you expect, so i can't give you an answer
[10:59:48] <rax64> ok, no worry
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[12:10:02] <codestr0m> maybe someone can tell me why I get this libtool: link: cannot find the library `../libltdl/libltdl.la' or unhandled argument `../libltdl/libltdl.la'
[12:10:02] <codestr0m> I run autoreconf -isf  "Makefile.am:19: Inference rules can have only one target before the colon (POSIX)"..  I'm pretty sure it's not correct to set AT_M4DIR=m4
[12:10:52] <codestr0m> is the way around this to change the LDFLAGS or CFLAGS ?
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[12:39:50] <codestr0m> Macabee: I see there's a SUNWPython25 spec file.. somehow the dtrace patches didn't get to ported to that already maybe?
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[12:57:45] <tmroland> hey
[12:57:58] <tmroland> can i use sun xvm system with opensolaris or just with sxce?
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[13:04:42] <SYS64738> hi
[13:05:38] <SYS64738> is it possible to install solaris root on raidz ?
[13:06:44] <JWheeler> no, not yet
[13:06:53] <JWheeler> it is planned though, I understand
[13:07:08] <SYS64738> ok
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[13:08:57] <SYS64738> I have 3 little disks....
[13:09:58] <JWheeler> a 3-way mirror will work, which will at least give some speed improvements
[13:10:18] <JWheeler> or, you'll just have to run 2 raid's across the shared 3 disks
[13:11:04] <SYS64738> do you mean zfs mirrors ?
[13:11:10] <JWheeler> yeah
[13:11:48] <SYS64738> the only problem is the size
[13:11:58] <JWheeler> careful now... ;)
[13:12:29] <SYS64738> eheg
[13:13:41] <SYS64738> does 70GB * 3 in raid 5 = 140 ?
[13:13:55] <JWheeler> it does
[13:14:23] <tmroland> can i use sun xvm in opensolaris?
[13:14:35] <SYS64738> then should I use the controller's raid
[13:14:38] <JWheeler> although in raid-z, I'm not entirely sure how the overhead works. In my testing, since the strip size is dynamic, and only used when there is actual data, the parity overhead actually varies
[13:15:02] <JWheeler> and I expect that it's actually greater than raid5, since the stripe size can be smaller (for performance)
[13:15:22] <JWheeler> tmroland, the distro? I don't think so, opensolaris as in nevada, yes
[13:15:45] <tmroland> you mean sxce?
[13:15:49] <JWheeler> SYS64738, if you need raid5 root, then it's your only option for the forseeable future
[13:15:53] <JWheeler> tmroland, yes.
[13:16:02] <SYS64738> I would like to use zfs mirror, but I need more than 70GB
[13:16:03] <tmroland> sxce has boot option to run as xvm host?
[13:16:08] <tmroland> or guest
[13:16:10] <JWheeler> or O/N, if you're a build it yourself kind of guy
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[13:16:41] <tmroland> if i use sun xvm on solaris , can i create virtual host-only & NAT networks for the guests ?
[13:16:43] <tmroland> on the host
[13:16:47] <tmroland> like vmware
[13:16:58] <JWheeler> SYS64738, you have the option of running more than one raid set across your disks remember. You could for instance setup a 3-way 10GB mirror, and a 3-way 60GB raidz
[13:17:54] <JWheeler> sxce can boot as a xvm host, yes, for hosting other OS's. I haven't actually played with the solaris implementation, but expect it'll be fully featured, so bridging/NAT-only should be available
[13:18:22] <SYS64738> JWheeler, where can I find some examples about your theory ?
[13:19:08] <JWheeler> uh, pass. I'm dead sure that you can run multiple zfs volumes across a single disk though
[13:19:31] <JWheeler> All that zfs needs, is block storage, and multiple partitions/slices will provide that
[13:21:07] <JWheeler> Now I'm not so sure about the zfs root _installer_, it may not be all that flexible. You'd have to try it and see, I don't have anything better to offer than that
[13:21:22] <SYS64738> ok
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[13:22:53] <JWheeler> I've only done the zfs root-install once, and I just gave it a whole disk to play with
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[13:26:52] <SYS64738> I have a damned lsi controller
[13:27:09] <SYS64738> I go for zfs mirror and party-over
[13:27:28] <SYS64738> the controller raid can gives me only 100GB
[13:27:28] <JWheeler> what do you mean party-over?
[13:27:54] <SYS64738> how do you say when you took your decision ?
[13:27:54] <Macabee> bad translation of hotswap?
[13:28:29] <Macabee> or not
[13:28:29] <Macabee> :)
[13:29:03] <SYS64738> I think I forgot english
[13:29:40] <JWheeler> well, good luck with it whichever mode you go for
[13:29:59] <SYS64738> eheh, however end party is a way to say
[13:31:28] <SYS64738> now I must undesrtand why xVM doesn't start on the fujistu server
[13:32:54] <SYS64738> I hate the lsi mfi controller it's slow more then arkanoid balls after getting the S pill
[13:34:56] <JWheeler> arkanoid, now that takes me back!
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[13:36:17] <SYS64738> JWheeler, how old are you ?
[13:36:51] <JWheeler> ..uh that's a bit forward, but ok, I'm 25
[13:37:38] <SYS64738> did you play at arkanoid when you was 6 ?
[13:38:04] <JWheeler> no, it would have been a bit later than that, I seem to remember
[13:38:17] <JWheeler> there were serveral versions and clones over the years too
[13:39:06] <SYS64738> yeah but I mean the real and original coin up
[13:39:29] <JWheeler> oh, no I only ever played it on computers
[13:39:35] <SYS64738> ah ok
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[13:42:44] <SYS64738> 1986 was a great year for coinop
[13:46:13] <SYS64738> time to eat, bye
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[15:17:20] <codestr0m> anyone around who can help me fix this
[15:17:21] <codestr0m> dtrace -o Python/phelper.o -DPHELPER  -I. -I./Include -C -G -s ./Python/phelper.d
[15:17:21] <codestr0m> dtrace: failed to compile script ./Python/phelper.d: "/usr/include/time.h", line 301: syntax error near "{"
[15:17:56] <codestr0m> Python/phelper.d doesn't appear to have mismatching {
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[15:19:48] <codestr0m> I guess it's been asked here http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=dtrace-discuss&a=2007-09&t=5217918 as well and no answer
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[15:33:11] <Yorlik> I started an xserver from my cygwin shell with "XWin -fullscreen -clipboard &" .  Then  connected to Solaris with ssh -x .... When I enter "gnome-session" I get a "(gnome-session:4845): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 1579: asser
[15:33:13] <Yorlik> tion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" error. How can I fix this ?
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[15:49:58] <sixgig> i am trying to upgrade to snv98 right now, but i am having problems because of the zfs bug where it doesn't calculate required disk space correctly. One of my largest directories is /var/pkg/download , would i break anything if i removed the contents of this directory?
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[16:35:42] <_setuid_H> Hi I have a little problem with -lcrypto in opesolaris
[16:36:30] <_setuid_H> ./configure of  xsupplicant throws me that CRYPTO_new_ex_data isn't in -lcrypto
[16:36:43] <_setuid_H> but src.opensolaris.org shows me that there is it
[16:36:55] <_setuid_H> i also specified --with-openssl=/usr/sfw
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[16:40:34] <balbirs> how can I check the usage of RAM in solaris only ? swap -sh gives swap+ram usage
[16:41:56] <Auralis> vmstat is your friend
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[16:48:28] <TomJ> mdb -k  then ::memstat gives the most complete info, but it takes a while
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[16:54:39] <hile_> hey auralis
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[16:59:53] <ssd> after   update  i  have  no  network (dhcp) , i  have  rte0 status  detached  .  how  to  activate  it please ?
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[17:00:29] <snejk> anyone using dtrace extension?
[17:00:36] <snejk> for php
[17:03:32] <Yorlik> I have set up /etc/resolv.conf as "nameserver <some ns IP>" and the dnsclient is online (seen with svcs)  - I still can't resovle names - what could be missing ?
[17:04:04] <tomj_> Yorlik: nsswitch.conf, check hosts: has dns in it
[17:04:18] <Yorlik> Thanks !
[17:04:29] <tomj_> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf && svcadm restart name-service-cache
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[17:08:41] <Yorlik> What exactly would I have to change in hosts ? It only contains the IPs of my machine.
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[17:09:09] <Yorlik> I don't run a nameserver.
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[17:11:52] <_setuid_H> Hi does anybody have open1x under solaris?
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[17:39:02] <domutaka_> _setuid_H:--> what is open1x
[17:39:43] <_setuid_H> domutaka_: xsupplicant, but never mind I'll use wpa-supplicant. Univerizty needings ...
[17:40:14] <Pietro_S> is there any way how to tell suncc order of initializing static objects?
[17:41:29] <sixgig> Pietro_S, it shold resolve dependencies and compile in the correct order.
[17:43:30] <sixgig> what error are you getting?
[17:47:06] <Pietro_S> sixgig: coredump
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[17:47:31] <soulie> Hello
[17:47:51] <Pietro_S> sixgig: when from one static methond trying to write to static std::string in other module
[17:48:04] <soulie> I have stupid question but what forum does sun use on there www.opensolaris.com website :)?
[17:50:20] <_setuid_H> soulie:  i think that it's suns forum. not phpbb or whathever like that.
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[17:51:22] <soulie> :) yeah i came to that conclusion also but it is a very neat forum , so wondering if they sell it or put avaible as download
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[17:51:37] <_setuid_H> soulie: :-)
[17:52:27] <Yorlik> nssswitch.conf:
[17:52:29] <Yorlik> ...
[17:52:30] <Yorlik> hosts:      files dns
[17:52:32] <Yorlik> ...
[17:52:34] <Yorlik> resolve.conf:
[17:52:36] <Yorlik> nameserver 62.116.129.129
[17:52:37] <Yorlik> nameserver 62.116.163.100
[17:52:39] <Yorlik> And I still can't resolve hostnames ... whats wrong ?
[17:52:59] <Yorlik> Ooops -- sry for multi line paste ..
[17:53:27] <_setuid_H> Yorlik: s/resolve.conf/resolv.conf
[17:53:59] <Yorlik> its a typo - the file is resolv.conf
[17:54:05] <_setuid_H> Yorlik: ok
[17:54:12] <Yorlik> same with nsswitch
[17:54:23] <_setuid_H> Yorlik: what about to set some domain in resolv.conf
[17:54:37] <Yorlik> Do I really need this ?
[17:54:38] <_setuid_H> Yorlik: but I believe it's not important
[17:58:45] <Yorlik> tomj_: Any further idea whats wrong here ?
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[18:10:18] <tomj_> Yorlik: you did svcadm restart name-service-cache ?
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[18:10:25] <Yorlik> Yes, i did
[18:10:35] <TomJ> what does: nslookup google.com   do?
[18:10:44] <TomJ> or:  dig google.com @62.116.129.129
[18:10:46] <Yorlik> And the dns client service is listed as online
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[18:11:33] <Yorlik> the dig worked.
[18:11:48] <Yorlik> So the nameserver is okay for me.
[18:12:37] <TomJ> You could try a reboot
[18:13:01] <Yorlik> nslookup gave me an error -- google was mengled with the domain i set up
[18:13:20] <Yorlik> I added it to the resolv recently ... will delete it again ..
[18:14:35] <Yorlik> Now - after restarting the cache nslookup gives me an error: "too many lookups"
[18:14:55] <Yorlik> resolv.conf is now reduced to the ns entries only again.
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[18:23:27] <codestr0m> is there a way for me to look-up what inet_ntoa would be on solaris?
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[18:26:53] <balbirs> can we check total memory and sort based upon user and cpu usage in prstat output ?
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[18:54:32] <balbirs> I am using below command to find the current actual RAM is being usage, but while comparing with output of vmstat getting discrimency
[18:54:45] <balbirs> ps -efl |awk '{sum=sum+$10; print "MB " $10/1024 " " $15} END{ print "Sum: " sum/1024 " MB"}'
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[18:56:40] <balbirs> vmstat says "444368 as free" which is 433MB, my command gives me output of 615MB is being used
[18:57:14] <balbirs> prtconf says I have 2040 Megabytes, where is rest 1GB, I am wondering..
[19:01:13] <_setuid_H> balbirs: what solution is the right one?
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[19:03:36] <Yorlik> Seems I'm still stuck with this name resoving problem: My nameserver work (tested with dig), and are listed in resolv.conf. the nsswitch.conf has a  line "hosts:      files dns" in it and the dns client is online. Evenb after reboot constant errors with using whois or nslookup.
[19:03:38] <andreasma> hi all
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[19:05:19] <andreasma> I installed a openSolaris 10 inside Virtualbox on a openSuSE-Box, because I want to use for testing OpenOffice.org.
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[19:08:29] <andreasma> But I get problems, when I want to download the updates. The package-manager idled. He want's to download the Sun-Pkg-Tools again and again. I tried to do the update on commandline (first refresh and then image-update) but that didn't solved the problem.
[19:13:12] <balbirs> _setuid_H: I am also trying to know and a bit confused here, how to find the memory usage in solais ? swap -s and vmstat is not friendly
[19:13:52] <balbirs> what is 'size' in prstat, what is the meaning of process image ?
[19:15:22] <snejk> anyone using PHP dtrace extension?
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[19:16:19] <TomJ> andreasma: Surely you'd use Star Office on Solaris
[19:16:54] <TomJ> balbirs: try:  mdb -k   , then at the prompt type:   ::memstat  .  then wait a few minutes.  I tihnk that's the most accurate representation of total memory usage
[19:17:17] <andreasma> TomJ, No. I want to use OpenOffice.org
[19:17:39] <TomJ> balbirs: it prints freelist (completely free ram) and cachelist (ram used by cache that will be freed for programs).  The only complication is that if you use ZFS,  the ZFS caches appear under 'Kernel'
[19:18:02] <TomJ> so if you use ZFS, you can normally assume that any usage of 'Kernel' about about 800mb is ZFS caches.  you can drill into those with ::kmastat I think but that's a bit more complex
[19:18:19] <TomJ> I always use mdb -k if I want to get the most accurate assessment of memory usage, but it's not suitable for ongoing monitoring or a quick check
[19:18:57] <andreasma> TomJ, There are community builds of OOo for Solaris provided by sun (and to test from the community).
[19:19:02] <TomJ> ok
[19:19:08] <TomJ> did you install OpenSolaris, or Solaris 10?  You said OpenSolaris 10 which doesnt exist
[19:19:33] <TomJ> I gues you mean opensolaris as you said image-update
[19:20:07] <andreasma> TomJ, I installed OpenSolaris 2008.05
[19:21:51] <codestr0m> andreasma: pfexec pkg install openoffice
[19:22:11] <codestr0m> andreasma: pfexec pkg search -r foo or pfexec pkg search -r "*foo*"
[19:22:22] <Fullmoon> Quick SMF question: I am writing a svc start script for a legacy daemon that refuses to daemonize, is it enough to nohup myd &
[19:22:23] <Fullmoon> and return success from the script?
[19:22:50] <TomJ> Fullmoon: it really doesn't matter if it daemonises or not
[19:23:04] <TomJ> Fullmoon: that's the beauty of SMF.  It works with programs that run in the background, foreground, run one process or 100. doesn't matter.
[19:23:42] <Fullmoon> TomJ: If it does not return, the script gets killed after timeout, and I dont want to write the service in daemon mode, because I check if the service actually accepts requests and only then return success from the script
[19:24:30] <TomJ> is it likely that the service would be started but would not accept requests?
[19:25:18] <Fullmoon> TomJ: Unfortunately, it depends on a third party service
[19:25:33] <TomJ> third party as in not running on your machine?
[19:25:41] <Fullmoon> TomJ: As over the net, yes
[19:26:38] <TomJ> so your script is testing that is up then starting your daemon?
[19:28:05] <Fullmoon> TomJ: Not really, it waits until the service which it is starting opens a socket which it only does after it authenticated to the third party service, As I understand it it is good practice to just return 0 when the service actually works, not just launched
[19:28:21] <Fullmoon> Thius would be easy if the service would go in to background
[19:28:51] <Fullmoon> Unfortunately this service does not dies when it cant connect, but sleeps until it cans, with no timeouts
[19:28:55] <Fullmoon> I hate it
[19:29:06] <balbirs> Tomj: I am using zfs, seems this is reasons behind my confusion.
[19:29:22] <TomJ> balbirs: ok, then yeah ZFS is sucking up all your RAM, but it will be freed when required
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[19:32:59] <TomJ> Fullmoon: so you want it to show as 'online' only when it can connect, and 'maintenance' / failed  when the remote service is down?  thus requiring manual intervention in the latter case?
[19:33:22] <TomJ> or you want it to show as 'online*'  (i.e. trying to startup but can't) until remote service is available?
[19:34:49] <TomJ> it might be neater to have two services, one that checks if the remote service is up,  and then your actual daemon service which depends on the former
[19:35:15] <Yorlik> Could someone point me to an article how to use liveuprade to move from ufs to zfs ? I didn't find anything useful
[19:35:44] <Yorlik> TomJ: My name resolving still doesn't work - even after reboot ...
[19:35:58] <Yorlik> <== is clueless hoe to go on
[19:36:28] <TomJ> Yorlik: no idea. you sure the nameservers are OK?
[19:36:35] <Yorlik> dig worked fine
[19:37:58] <TomJ> I'm really not sure
[19:38:06] <TomJ> Config sounds ok
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[19:38:51] <Yorlik> When you were talking about the "hosts" - you meant the entry in nsswitch.conf, not the hosts file, right ?
[19:39:30] <TomJ> correct
[19:39:39] <TomJ> did you do:  cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:39:45] <Yorlik> Yes, I did
[19:39:56] <Yorlik> amd I checked the hosts entry which had dns then
[19:40:25] <TomJ> Then you should be all set, I dont know what's wrong, sorry
[19:40:36] <Yorlik> Okay - thatnks you.
[19:41:00] <Yorlik> Any idea about that ufs to zfs migration question ? I didn't find any useful article.
[19:41:15] <Daft_Punk> i am trying to get the internet working on solaris on a virtual machine, but need help doing so as it was asking for detailed information I dont have
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[19:48:08] <andreasma> codestr0m, thanks. The install of OOo worked. But I'm not able to update SUNWipkg. Is there a way to do this on commandline (update of a single package)?
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[19:50:07] <Daft_Punk> my laptop is wireless and i want my internet set up on solaris, how do i do that?
[19:51:31] <_setuid_H> Daft_Punk: what solaris release do you have?
[19:52:02] <Daft_Punk> the latest one from the website
[19:52:38] <codestr0m> andreasma: if you want to test things. you can add pkg install -nv foo
[19:52:52] <codestr0m> that will show what it's going to do before it does it
[19:53:07] <codestr0m> try to get in the habit of doing it as non-root and using pfexec
[19:53:13] <codestr0m> it's like sudo in a way
[19:53:36] <codestr0m> and to answer your question.. try pfexec pkg install -nv SUNWipkg
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[19:53:43] <codestr0m> when you install something again it should update it
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[19:55:00] <andreasma> codestr0m, hmm. I get the answer, that the package is already installed.
[19:55:22] <codestr0m> hmm. I thought it should update
[19:56:08] <codestr0m> when it needs to update I thought it tells you what to do if you run it from the cli
[19:57:28] <andreasma> codestr0m, the pakage manager drives me a little bit crazy. He want's to update this package always.
[19:57:59] <codestr0m> andreasma: welcome to ips. .it's a work in progress.. you may give SXCE a try
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[20:02:25] <e^ipi> codestr0m: play by play... we don't need it...
[20:03:02] <e^ipi> nevermind, misread
[20:04:36] <e^ipi> yours and andreasma's were blurring together
[20:05:20] <andreasma> codestr0m, I don't know why it doesn't work in Virtualbox. I did the same with VMWare some days ago and it works.
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[20:06:19] <codestr0m> andreasma: I'd say. pull a new iso from genunix.org which has all the updates already there and possibly less bugs or install SXCE.. sorry I can't be more help
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[20:11:14] <andreasma> codestr0m, I found the page. I would then give osol-0811-98 a try. Which version (iso or global-iso) should I use, if I need a gui in german translation?
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[20:11:56] <codestr0m> andreasma: I'd go for the global if it'll fit on a cd.. I can only vouch for english, swedish and chinese though
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[20:52:03] <Yorlik> Does Solaris10 (not opensolaris ro sxce) support zfs boot yet ?
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[20:53:09] <hile_> No.
[20:53:26] <Yorlik> thanks.
[20:55:46] <Stric> Yorlik: it seems like it's going into 10u6, which is expected mid oct
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[20:59:24] <RealBallchalk> # Appears as ANNA
[20:59:47] <RealBallchalk> (#G010E010M1) yea U6 gonna be ZFS boot?
[20:59:59] <delewis> uh.
[21:00:05] <delewis> you aren't using MS Chat are you?
[21:00:13] <RealBallchalk> # Appears as BOLO
[21:00:18] <delewis> that sure looks like comic mode to me.
[21:00:21] <delewis> get rid of that shit.
[21:00:30] <RealBallchalk> (#G2<:E010M1) heh yea i'm a minimalist
[21:00:41] <e^ipi> then minimalize with irssi or something, turn that shit off
[21:00:48] <RealBallchalk> (#G410E310M1) ok
[21:01:03] <hali> is that some sort of really odd colour coding?!
[21:01:07] <delewis> no
[21:01:10] <delewis> that's comic mode in MS Chat.
[21:01:11] <RealBallchalk> why turn off?
[21:01:14] <e^ipi> no, it's microsoft shit
[21:01:21] <Stric> RealBallchalk: because it's putting spam in the channel
[21:01:28] <hali> well, this is #opensolaris so not that many people run ms chat :)
[21:01:31] <RealBallchalk> oh i see! sorry
[21:01:32] <RealBallchalk> didn't know
[21:01:42] <e^ipi> RealBallchalk: this is what we see: http://pastebin.ca/1207630
[21:01:46] <delewis> you clearly haven't been on IRC long if you don't remember MS Chat's comic mode.
[21:01:59] <delewis> and why every IRC channel years ago would ban comic mode on sight.
[21:02:28] <RealBallchalk> wow
[21:02:33] <hali> can't remember ever seeing it actually
[21:02:40] <delewis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat
[21:02:45] <hali> and i've been on irc since the mid 90's
[21:03:06] <hali> mostly on ircnet back then, probably more a dalnet/undernet thing :)
[21:03:08] * FurnaceBoy didn't even know there was an MS Chat
[21:03:18] <RealBallchalk> yea i was looking for some small irc clients for this comp
[21:03:26] <e^ipi> irssi
[21:03:28] <hali> ah, looks ace, im gonna switch
[21:03:35] <RealBallchalk> found MS comic chat was like cool they made a client
[21:03:44] <e^ipi> or if you're on windows, mirc
[21:03:48] <Stric> or xchat
[21:03:55] <RealBallchalk> yea that's small and simple too
[21:04:07] <RealBallchalk> xchat not free is it?
[21:04:08] <e^ipi> xchat is non-free on windows, innit?
[21:04:16] <delewis> there's a free version.
[21:04:22] <RealBallchalk> oh nice
[21:04:28] <RealBallchalk> xchat is nice
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[22:09:20] <SplasPood> wow ms comic...  been years
[22:11:15] <delewis> finally, someone else that remembers it. :-)
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[22:18:50] <e^ipi> delewis: the rest of us tried to forget it
[22:19:52] <codestr0m> e^ipi: wasn't that back when you were still using AOL?
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[22:30:01] <e^ipi> i actually never used aol
[22:30:32] <e^ipi> i had a BBS -> internet bridge through the early 90's and then a couple dedicated ISP's popped up in my neighbourhood
[22:31:37] <sickness> I'm back
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[23:03:40] <victori_> does zfs have performance penalties with directory having many sub-directories?  >30-100k sub-directories
[23:04:44] <YC> That quite a few.
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[23:06:08] <victori_> ya web service, photos, saving   <id>/<photovariation>/photo
[23:06:49] <YC> Ah.
[23:07:14] <victori_> >11,000 registered users, going to roll out photo service for them, not sure if I have it setup efficiently.
[23:12:41] <Stric>  scrub: scrub in progress for 0h0m, 0.00% done, 8889h55m to go
[23:12:44] <Stric> whopdedo ;)
[23:17:08] <YC> That's... going to take a while. :)
[23:18:42] <Stric> it's at 16h now
[23:19:14] <Stric> (6.8TB, 3 raidz2's, 3.6T stored)
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[23:21:16] * YC is just trying to rig up an opensolaris server to shift his media to. :)
[23:21:59] <McBofh> YC: I think Stric will find that if he checks the zpool status now, the duration and percentage complete estimates will have changed dramatically
[23:22:49] <YC> You'd hope so.
[23:23:01] <Stric> 15h23 now
[23:23:04] <McBofh> see!
[23:23:06] <YC> Just over a year to check an array...
[23:23:11] <TomJ> is it in constant use?
[23:23:25] <TomJ> my 12 disk, 1TB RAID 10s come in about 2 hours when in use,  or about 30 minutes when idle
[23:23:35] <Stric> nah, idle.. scrub:ing at about 75MB/s
[23:23:36] <TomJ> *10 disk
[23:23:42] <Stric> (according to zpool iostat)
[23:23:44] <TomJ> i suppose raidz will take longer always
[23:23:45] <YC> What's a scrub?
[23:23:53] <Stric> YC: verify checksums on disk blocks
[23:23:54] * YC is putting in 6 1TB drives.
[23:24:09] <TomJ> correct bit errors from the redundant data
[23:24:19] <TomJ> as well as normal fsck type functions
[23:24:20] <Stric> that too, if the verify fails
[23:24:52] <SplasPood> hrm, have there been any reports of liveupgrade failin it going from 97 -> 98?
[23:25:07] <YC> Anyone tried installing to a flash drive?
[23:25:19] <Stric> SplasPood: yup, I failed when doing it wrong ;)
[23:25:36] <Stric> luckily, I had done a snapshot a few seconds before.. rollback, do it right..
[23:25:42] <SplasPood> Stric: heh well I'd like to think I've got it down since I've gone from at least 94 on up without fail
[23:26:01] <Stric> I did 'pkg install SUNWipkg' instead of @blah
[23:26:10] <SplasPood> I can't luactive 98, nor can I seemingly ludelete any of the earlier ones I have yet to remove
[23:26:13] <YC> What's the difference?
[23:26:27] <TomJ> that reminds me, I need to cron some regular scrubs
[23:26:35] <SplasPood> bitches about it not being able to umount 96, even tho 96 isn't mounted beforehand
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[23:39:35] <jbk> hey jmcp
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[23:55:43] <jbk> afternoon gman -- if this nightly run finishes successfully, i'll have some updates for the compiling ON page you put up
[23:55:58] <Gman> jbk: awesome
[23:56:18] <jbk> took most of yesterday to get this far.. i'm hoping i've got everything now
[23:57:04] <jbk> all of this to test a ~ 10 line fix :)
[23:57:15] <jbk> hopefully the guy i'm working with is patient :)





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