September 19, 2008 
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September 19, 2008 [00:00:38] *** sletz has quit IRC [00:03:57] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [00:05:52] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris [00:12:50] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [00:16:10] *** ker2x has quit IRC [00:16:49] <victori_> ugh this is ridicules, I have a corrupted pool and I can't destroy it. [00:17:01] *** ker2x has joined #opensolaris [00:17:12] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [00:17:53] <timsf> victori_: can you export it? [00:18:26] *** loquitus_of_bor2 has joined #opensolaris [00:18:29] <victori_> not sure, i don't care for the data, it was a test on a second disk. I did zfs receive import and it toggled as busy regardless if it was mounted or not [00:18:52] <loquitus_of_bor2> I am trying to build something in OpenSolaris but I keep getting: libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed [00:18:57] <victori_> so I used dd to corrupt the disk, hopeing that will let solaris let go of it [00:19:00] <timsf> so try exporting the pool. [00:19:03] <victori_> kl [00:19:15] <victori_> cannot export 'pool1': pool is busy [00:19:21] *** comay changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCE 97, ON 98, IPS 98 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [00:19:40] <timsf> Are you on a zfs root filesystem? [00:19:48] <victori_> this was a secondary pool [00:19:55] <victori_> on a second disk/slave [00:20:06] <timsf> Yes, but is / on another pool? [00:20:06] <victori_> yes zfs root on the main disk [00:20:12] <victori_> yes [00:20:23] <timsf> ok - I was thinking you could just torch /etc/zfs/zpool.cache and reboot [00:20:34] <victori_> http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2777/ [00:20:35] <timsf> but I can't remember trying that with zfs rooted systems [00:20:55] <victori_> this server is in a colo, last thing I need is the OS to hang on reboot [00:21:09] <timsf> - that would definitely make Solaris forget about the pools, and you'd be able to zpool import pools on your system that you care about again. [00:21:17] <victori_> rpool1 is the one I care [00:21:20] <victori_> er [00:21:21] <timsf> screw it, I'll try on a test machine here. [00:21:21] <victori_> rpool is [00:21:24] <victori_> pool1 is crap [00:22:02] <victori_> timsf: I did a zfs send of rpool/ROOT/opensolaris/opt and did an import into pool/opt [00:22:18] <victori_> cannot destroy 'pool1/opt': dataset is busy [00:22:27] <victori_> when i victori@fab40:/export# zfs destroy -r pool1 [00:22:46] <victori_> is there a possible reference back to rpool(root) ? [00:23:06] *** gavino has joined #opensolaris [00:23:14] <gavino> At this point, you can boot into the updated BE using reboot(1M) or init(1M) as usual. [00:23:21] <gavino> ok im done with the release notes stuff [00:23:33] <gavino> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ [00:23:36] <victori_> zfs send rpool/ROOT/opensolaris/opt | zfs receive rpool/opt@today was what I issued initially [00:23:49] <gavino> do do the init, I goto what init 1 then back to init5? [00:24:07] <gavino> or should I simply reboot [00:24:15] <gavino> do they mean like init 6 [00:24:24] <gavino> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ [00:24:46] <gavino> 2008.05 [00:24:48] <gavino> 86 [00:24:52] <victori_> timsf: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2778/ corruption went as planned [00:24:54] <gavino> did the stuff on the link [00:24:59] *** PicCard has quit IRC [00:25:02] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [00:25:05] <victori_> so not sure why solaris is being so stubborn on letting the pool be destroyed/offlined [00:25:07] <gavino> so er I must reboot? [00:25:34] <gavino> wait a second [00:25:41] <gavino> is 2008.05 indiana? [00:25:50] <victori_> yes [00:25:52] <gavino> ok [00:26:02] <gavino> so simply reboot? [00:26:37] <Stric> hrm.. I just tried updating os2k8 from b97.. started with SUNWipg.. now pkg spews python stacktrace and beadm coredumps :P [00:27:36] <victori_> http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2779/ I am not even able to overwrite the pool [00:27:54] *** gavino has quit IRC [00:28:23] <Stric> comay: is ^^ supposed to happen? :) [00:28:28] <victori_> I am like a magnet for solaris bugs [00:29:01] <SplasPood> solaris is just kinda filled with them.... [00:29:02] * SplasPood runs [00:29:04] <SplasPood> ;) [00:29:17] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [00:29:19] <Stric> I was referring to my own stuff though, not victori_ ;) [00:29:37] <SplasPood> victori_: i'm coming late to this discussion, but I just had the same issue with zpool create [00:29:37] <comay> Stric, no it isn't [00:29:39] *** gavino has joined #opensolaris [00:29:43] <SplasPood> needed to use fdisk to blow away the EFI partition [00:29:50] <victori_> plenty, I specially loved the kernel panic dtrace one in snv90-snv94, was ultra fun [00:29:57] <comay> can you file a bug please on defect.opensolaris.org? [00:30:00] <Stric> lucky me I did a beadm create blah before.. rolled back rpool and now I'm in action again [00:30:09] <victori_> anytime dtrace was used with a zone in the background the kernel would panic [00:30:30] <SplasPood> victori_: did you try that [00:30:31] <SplasPood> ? [00:30:45] <victori_> use fdisk to format it? [00:31:03] <SplasPood> well not format [00:31:06] <SplasPood> just kill the EFI partition [00:31:07] <gavino> my upgrade seemed to have worked [00:31:12] <SplasPood> you wanna create a new zpool right [00:31:19] <SplasPood> overwrite whatever may have been there? [00:31:31] <victori_> yes [00:32:26] <Stric> I think I know what I did wrong.. 'pkg install SUNWipkg', not @0.5.11-0.97 [00:32:30] <loquitus_of_bor2> I am trying to build something in OpenSolaris but I keep getting: libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed. Any idea? I tried TWO different open source packages and am getting the same error [00:32:37] <gavino> oow build 97 [00:32:41] <gavino> <------- [00:33:30] <victori_> ugh [00:34:01] <Stric> I'll check more tomorrow.. need sleep now.. [00:34:05] *** netj has quit IRC [00:35:08] *** crichardson32 has joined #opensolaris [00:36:16] *** crichardso has quit IRC [00:37:39] <gavino> are there any good vendors for big fast disk array that are suppoerted by opensolaris aside from sun x45xx [00:37:52] <gavino> something same speed but cheaper for a startup type company [00:37:55] <gavino> ;) [00:37:59] <_mary_kate_> gavino: Sun [00:38:07] <gavino> [asde from sun] [00:38:08] <e^ipi> j4x00 [00:38:09] <_mary_kate_> X4500 isn't an array, it's a server with disks in. Sun sells arrays too [00:38:20] <gavino> j4x00 hm [00:39:24] <e^ipi> j4200 is ~ 3k [00:39:33] <e^ipi> 12 disks [00:39:41] <e^ipi> or, bays anyways [00:39:55] <_mary_kate_> and you only pay twice the retail price of the disks [00:40:03] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/expansion/ [00:40:11] <gavino> lol [00:40:11] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: or you can put retail disks in it [00:40:15] *** timsf has quit IRC [00:40:16] <e^ipi> it's just sata [00:40:20] <_mary_kate_> and buy spuds from ebay? ;) [00:41:08] <e^ipi> there's also the dell md1000 [00:41:13] <e^ipi> which may or may not work with solaris [00:41:17] <e^ipi> ( i actually have no idea ) [00:41:19] <gavino> _mary_kate_: what would you reccomend aside from sun? [00:41:20] <_mary_kate_> MD1000 is fine - avoid the MD3000 like the plague [00:41:26] <_mary_kate_> it doesn't even work with linux unless you use suse or redhat [00:41:36] <gavino> emc yikes run away! [00:41:42] <_mary_kate_> no, not EMC [00:41:46] <gavino> and dell branded emc woa shields up! [00:41:49] <_mary_kate_> these are dell's own stuff [00:41:57] <gavino> they are dell branded emc [00:41:58] <e^ipi> yeah, md1000 is just a disk box [00:42:06] <gavino> I was in meeting and they told em as much [00:42:12] <gavino> of course i have been known to be wrong [00:42:21] <e^ipi> oh, well if a meeting told you something, it must be true... [00:42:22] <_mary_kate_> well, it's not even an array, so it doesn't really matter what the vendor is [00:42:25] <gavino> lol [00:42:33] <_mary_kate_> but if it were EMC, you'd think it'd be in the 'Dell-branded EMC' section of the website ;) [00:42:46] <gavino> er, hm, ok [00:43:01] <gavino> what about a server with like 64G or 128G ram [00:43:12] <gavino> that doesnt break the bank [00:43:15] <_mary_kate_> X4100 [00:43:24] <_mary_kate_> i think that can do 64 now... or that just the 4200? [00:43:28] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [00:44:05] <e^ipi> sunfire x2250 can do 32G [00:44:36] <gavino> http://www.pogolinux.com/products/hpc [00:44:42] <e^ipi> 4440 can do up to 128G [00:44:43] <gavino> does sun stuff age grafefully? [00:44:50] <gavino> gracefully [00:44:53] <_mary_kate_> ah, up to 128GB in 1RU http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4140/specs.xml [00:45:05] <_mary_kate_> those 8GB DIMMs are going to cost a bit though [00:45:06] <e^ipi> so can the 5240 on the niagra2 side [00:47:15] <e^ipi> here, a whole list [00:47:16] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/servers/index.jsp?gr0=memory&fl0=mem4&tab=0&gr1= [00:47:24] <e^ipi> everything in there suports >96G of ram [00:48:43] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [00:51:35] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [00:57:05] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [00:58:12] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [00:59:27] <gavino> nice [00:59:37] *** syamajala2_ has quit IRC [00:59:38] <gavino> more power captain! [01:03:54] *** jbasse has quit IRC [01:05:12] <jmcp> gavino: yes, it does age gracefully [01:05:31] <jmcp> gavino: if you purchase a support contract for the hw you can keep going on it for a loooong time [01:07:54] <TrogL> gavino: I've got 15-year-old Sun stuff still spinning in production [01:08:57] *** TrogL has quit IRC [01:09:12] *** bhall has quit IRC [01:09:23] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [01:10:13] *** HolgerS has quit IRC [01:15:31] <hile_> shit, until about 5 years ago, my last gig had a ss20 running 4.1.4 [01:19:04] <gavino> in production ? holy sheet [01:19:14] *** snejk has joined #opensolaris [01:19:37] *** timsf has quit IRC [01:19:42] <gavino> when i did the image update......I'm now at 97....did that include a kernel etc update? [01:19:52] <gavino> or just installed apps? [01:20:04] <alanc> kernel too [01:20:13] *** crichardson32 has quit IRC [01:20:15] <gavino> wow it was smoothe [01:20:17] <snejk> hi,any way to make pkgadd not run post scripts ? [01:20:37] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [01:23:19] *** stukag has quit IRC [01:26:31] <gavino> there is always a way [01:27:36] <snejk> rpm --noscripts :) [01:27:55] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [01:30:20] *** MB-03 has joined #opensolaris [01:30:20] *** yarihm has quit IRC [01:30:47] *** snejk has quit IRC [01:33:15] <gavino> rpm? [01:33:18] <gavino> what the [01:34:59] <MB-03> Is there any way to filter packages in the package manager? To achieve something like security/stable/pre-release/experimental/back-ports? I don't need to be on the experimental bleeding edge but I like my security updates. [01:35:23] *** gavino has quit IRC [01:35:43] *** NCommander has joined #opensolaris [01:37:02] <e^ipi> MB-03: there will be [01:37:13] <e^ipi> i'm told [01:37:40] <MB-03> Ah so it's on the feature list but it's not here yet? [01:37:53] <e^ipi> i think so [01:38:46] *** stevel has quit IRC [01:38:51] *** gavino has joined #opensolaris [01:40:18] *** gavino is now known as furry901 [01:40:57] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [01:41:46] *** loquitus_of_bor2 has left #opensolaris [01:45:14] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [01:45:25] *** MB-03 has quit IRC [01:45:55] <alanc> first we'll have to build packages that only have security updates and not the bleeding edge changes 8-) [01:46:55] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [01:48:31] *** qmrw has quit IRC [01:49:02] <e^ipi> heh, yeah [01:49:06] <e^ipi> that is a bit of a blocker [01:49:33] *** Zplay has quit IRC [01:52:53] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [01:55:20] <furry901> whats a pci-x slot as ooposed to pci? [01:55:23] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [01:55:25] <furry901> soem extension module? [01:55:41] <e^ipi> google://pci-x [01:57:00] * e^ipi eats papaya [01:57:48] <e^ipi> McBofh: if i bought one of those tiny houses ( eg: http://www.shelterpub.com/_blog/tinyhouse.jpg ) could I move in to your back yard? [01:59:12] <furry901> jeeez the larger servers are so expensive [01:59:18] <furry901> compared to piza boxes [01:59:40] <sickness> sometimes even compared to infinite pizza boxes stacked up :P [01:59:55] <furry901> im looking at a box for 250$ [01:59:57] <furry901> 4g ram [02:00:02] <furry901> dual opteraon [02:00:06] <furry901> gig E [02:00:29] <e^ipi> heh [02:00:32] <e^ipi> good luck with that [02:00:40] <furry901> comparing to sun 268000 box with up to 36 core and 386G ram [02:00:51] <furry901> 268k $ [02:00:58] <e^ipi> oh, okay [02:01:02] <e^ipi> should be easy enough [02:01:19] <e^ipi> buy a pile of T1000's [02:01:30] <e^ipi> at that price, buy about 100 of them [02:01:42] <McBofh> e^ipi: *snort* [02:01:51] <e^ipi> McBofh: @ ? [02:01:54] <McBofh> bring your own kegs.... then maybe :) [02:01:56] *** jhfisc has quit IRC [02:02:02] <e^ipi> done. [02:02:52] <jbk> i wonder if there's any _low power_ setups out there that'd make a good zfs file server [02:03:01] <jbk> i don't like to keep my desktop on since it puts out so much heat [02:03:05] <McBofh> furry901: please tell me you're not seriously comparing a multicore, multithread 1/2 rack server with a 1ru ittybitty whitebox? [02:05:36] <McBofh> furry901: hotplug pci-e and pci-x aren't cheap, ya know [02:09:16] *** postwait has quit IRC [02:09:32] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [02:11:43] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [02:12:11] <e^ipi> heya gman [02:12:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [02:12:23] <Gman> hi e^ipi [02:12:43] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [02:12:57] <jbk> evening gman [02:13:05] <Gman> g'day jbk [02:13:08] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [02:13:22] *** ali_bb has quit IRC [02:16:10] <victori_> any off the shelf backup systems that use zfs send/recv to do base/incremental backups? [02:16:46] <jbk> i don't suppose anyone's looked into that (I know there's lots of discussion about zfs file servers in general, but i'm specifically interested in compact & low power [02:17:19] <victori_> zfs mirroring is just too slow for writes, reads don't need to be faster due to ARC caching, so looking for an async backup solution [02:17:57] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [02:18:07] <victori_> crontab and sh it is I suppose [02:18:24] *** GNUWorld has joined #opensolaris [02:18:43] <timsf> leal has some scripted zfs backup stuff, as do I. [02:19:12] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [02:19:17] <victori_> looks simple enough to do [02:19:27] <timsf> jbk, I seem to remember seeing a recent mail thread about low-power servers [02:19:38] <jbk> which list? [02:19:40] <jbk> zfs-discuss? [02:19:42] <timsf> (can't remmeber whether that was a sun mailing list, or opensolaris.org one ) [02:19:43] <victori_> timsf: out of curiosity how many snapshots do you do till you start pruning? [02:19:50] <jbk> oh [02:20:01] <jbk> if it was an opensolaris one, i might have missed it [02:20:03] <timsf> Depends on the schedule victori_ [02:20:20] <jbk> since i've been busy the past week [02:20:24] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-snapshot.txt [02:20:27] <jbk> well [02:20:36] <jbk> that's not quite right [02:20:39] <jbk> just no power [02:20:44] <jbk> and such [02:20:50] <jbk> for several day [02:21:05] <jbk> so i just kinda skipped over most of the emails that accumulated [02:21:25] *** McBofh has quit IRC [02:21:26] *** jmcp has quit IRC [02:21:26] <timsf> I'm just busy, missed the monthly news roll up for August, [02:21:38] <timsf> and it's practically the end of Sep. now :-/ [02:21:42] <timsf> know the feeling. [02:22:00] <victori_> timsf: thanks for the link that looks excellent [02:22:05] <jbk> well things are all dried out (here at least), and i have power, running water, and internet [02:22:14] <jbk> so getting back into things [02:23:36] <timsf> Glad to hear it jbk [02:24:00] <jbk> yeah not too much damage here, just downed tree limbs (i'm decently inland, and was about 20 miles from the eye) [02:24:20] <jbk> a friends place got 2ft of water (he lives on the bay and was right in the path of the eye) [02:24:33] <e^ipi> atom isn't an amd64 isa machine, innit? [02:24:48] *** Aria has quit IRC [02:24:50] <jbk> i thought that was intel's overhyped low power cpu [02:24:55] <Gman> hi timsf [02:25:01] <e^ipi> yeah, pretty much [02:25:06] <e^ipi> the other options are the via chips [02:25:14] <e^ipi> which also are not amd64 [02:25:25] <timsf> hi Gman! [02:25:42] <jbk> does via have any 64-bit cpus? [02:25:45] <timsf> [ it was an internal list by the looks of things - I think they were talking abuot atoms too ] [02:25:48] <jbk> i thought they were all 32bit [02:26:06] <e^ipi> they don't [02:26:09] <timsf> fwiw, I'm running on a 32-bit eeepc, and it's just fine. Not managing a huge amount of data mind you. [02:26:10] *** Openfree has quit IRC [02:26:24] <timsf> [ max about 160gb ] [02:26:32] *** uman has quit IRC [02:26:32] <timsf> pretty low power though [02:28:43] *** skillet has quit IRC [02:29:03] *** Leal has joined #opensolaris [02:29:13] <Leal> Hello all... [02:31:54] <timsf> Wow, a picture tells a thousand words - http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/571/materials/snapgui-basic-png/ [02:32:08] <timsf> or in this case, a thousand garbled ascii characters :-/ [02:32:33] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris [02:34:24] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [02:34:25] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:35:21] <jbk> heh incorrect mime types? [02:35:32] <e^ipi> intriguing case... [02:35:42] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/571/materials/snapshotmanager-html/ [02:35:46] <timsf> that looks a bit better [02:36:51] <jbk> yeah, except it' still as the swan links on there [02:37:12] <timsf> it was put together in rather a hurry [02:37:46] <timsf> [ apart from my one-pager, which had been hanging around my home directory for months, my intending to submit it to ON whenever I had a free minute, [02:37:53] <timsf> which didn't really happen ] [02:38:03] <e^ipi> "free minute" ? [02:38:06] <e^ipi> what's that? [02:38:12] <timsf> yeah [02:38:33] <timsf> jbk - damn, just realised I'm still on swan - sorry [02:39:17] <jbk> np [02:39:44] *** NCommander is now known as MAC [02:40:03] *** MAC is now known as NCommander [02:40:13] <jbk> just thought i'd point it out [02:40:37] <timsf> their heart was in the right place at least, with posting the screenshots [02:40:43] *** NCommander has left #opensolaris [02:40:56] <timsf> (which are not hugely exciting : a few dialogs and a bunch of check boxes) [02:41:09] <jtmuzix> i had to call in to work today [02:41:27] <jtmuzix> I told them I got high by a high energy cosmic ray and wouldn't be making to the office [02:41:36] <jtmuzix> I got hit ^^ [02:41:54] <jtmuzix> they told me not to come back [02:42:34] <jtmuzix> does veritas abstract the C##t##d##s## with its own? [02:42:43] <jtmuzix> i know zfs is the answer [02:43:14] <jtmuzix> but I don't have that choice in this situation and I need to do some redesign of the current veritas volumes, sd, plexes [02:43:24] <piwi> btw, is it possible to reduce the list with the arc cases a little bit? the site (http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/571/materials/snapshotmanager-html/) has about 2.3 megabyte [02:43:38] <jtmuzix> but I'm confused with the controller numbers solaris presents VS what veritas vxprint presents [02:44:21] *** McBofh has joined #opensolaris [02:44:24] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:45:17] <jbk> well [02:45:23] <jbk> you're going to have to be a bit more specific [02:45:34] <jbk> veritas upon startup [02:45:41] <jbk> scans all the disks on the system [02:46:06] <jbk> and it creates (if turned on, which it is by default) entries in /dev/vx/[r]dmp for each device [02:46:07] <jtmuzix> here's the problem... All the disks under veritas control at this point are on c1t## [02:46:30] <jbk> and it usually uses the lower controller # if the devices are multipathed [02:46:31] <jtmuzix> however when I look at the output of iostat -xiz, I'm seeing activity on c2t## disks [02:46:42] <jbk> you probably have multipathed disks [02:46:46] <jbk> try vxdisk path [02:47:20] <jtmuzix> does a v880 support multipathing with internal disks? [02:47:49] <jbk> yes [02:47:53] <jtmuzix> i thought that was an HBA configuration only [02:47:55] <jbk> if ordered that way [02:47:55] <jtmuzix> ok [02:48:11] <jbk> vxdisk path should show all the paths for each veritas device [02:48:19] <jtmuzix> well I'll have to do some more research, thanks for the command.. any other commands you recommend so that I can learn as much as possible about the vertias configuration [02:48:19] <jtmuzix> ? [02:48:26] <jtmuzix> ok, thanks again [02:48:27] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [02:48:28] <jbk> though i thought they were active/active, what you described suggests active/passive [02:48:43] <jbk> though that could just be the mp setup [02:49:16] <jtmuzix> thanks jbk [02:51:10] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris [02:51:18] *** comay has quit IRC [02:51:48] *** timsf has quit IRC [02:56:46] *** skillet has quit IRC [02:56:48] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [02:57:02] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [02:59:01] *** Odin- has quit IRC [03:01:34] *** piwi has quit IRC [03:03:19] *** sah-work has quit IRC [03:03:23] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [03:05:31] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [03:06:35] *** Leal has quit IRC [03:13:08] *** erast has quit IRC [03:17:07] *** polyeides has joined #opensolaris [03:18:47] *** sardano has joined #opensolaris [03:18:56] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [03:18:58] <sardano> Hi for all! [03:19:40] <zenbalrog> hi sardano! [03:20:19] <sardano> I'd like to install Open Solaris on my notebook, I read that it's need installed on first partition. Is it true? [03:20:26] <sardano> zenbalrog: Hi! [03:22:04] <sardano> Can anybody help me please? [03:22:10] *** mgedisman has joined #opensolaris [03:22:12] *** polyeides has quit IRC [03:22:16] <mgedisman> Hey everyone. =) [03:22:37] <sardano> mgedisman: Hi! [03:22:44] <zenbalrog> sardano: sorry buddy i run linux and i'm a bit drunk :( [03:23:01] <sardano> zenbalrog: No problem. [03:23:10] <mgedisman> Hello sardano! [03:23:22] <mgedisman> Where's McBofh? [03:23:34] <sardano> I don't know. [03:23:36] <zenbalrog> sardano: i would but i've never owned a laptop yet and i barely run opensolaris so far.... [03:23:37] <jbk> it just needs to be on a primary partition [03:24:51] * McBofh decloaks [03:25:10] <McBofh> sardano: not "first" partition but a "DOS-style 'primary' partition" [03:25:15] <sardano> jbk a disk can be 4 primary partition, Open Solaris can be installed on any of this partitions, is it? [03:25:19] <McBofh> yes [03:26:02] <sardano> Open Solaris needs a swap partition like linux need? [03:26:04] <zenbalrog> McBofh: why were you cloaked? [03:26:15] <McBofh> zenbalrog: cos I was cold..... [03:26:16] <McBofh> :-) [03:26:26] <zenbalrog> McBofh: lmfao duh [03:26:36] <McBofh> nah, just concentrating on other things, not paying attention to the channel [03:26:46] *** delphi1000 has joined #opensolaris [03:27:01] <zenbalrog> McBofh: what other channels do you pay attention to?? any? [03:27:04] <jbk> i thouhgt cloaking devices were banned :) [03:27:37] <zenbalrog> cloaking doesn't kill people, cloaked people kill people [03:27:47] <sardano> Someone know answere my question? [03:28:08] <McBofh> sardano: I just did answer your question [03:28:10] <jbk> sardano: not necessairly [03:28:11] <sardano> ...about swap partition on Open Solaris. [03:28:16] <McBofh> sardano: oh, sorry. yes [03:28:18] <jbk> solaris does something similar to freebsd [03:28:24] <jbk> it'll take a dos partition [03:28:29] <McBofh> OpenSolaris needs a swap _slice_ within the primary partition that you give to it [03:28:30] <jbk> and then break it up into slices [03:28:42] <jbk> so within that one partition, you can have your OS + swap space [03:28:44] <McBofh> zenbalrog: heh [03:28:48] <delphi1000> can you repeat the questions? [03:28:49] <jbk> without using a separate dos partition [03:28:56] <McBofh> sardano: are you planning to install OpenSolaris2008.05? [03:29:22] <sardano> McBofh: yes [03:29:41] <sardano> delphi1000: Open Solaris needs a swap partition like linux need? [03:29:50] <delphi1000> no need [03:29:55] <delphi1000> you know [03:30:09] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [03:30:15] <sardano> I know? [03:30:30] <McBofh> sardano: not in osol200805 [03:30:43] <nachox> i'm happy, i've actually found a situation where RBAC works much better than sudo [03:30:59] <McBofh> sardano: osol200805 installs to ZFS inside your primary partition. And it sets up a swap volume for you [03:31:08] <furry901> rbac? [03:31:12] <furry901> what in hells that [03:31:20] <MindDrive> Role Based Access Control [03:31:31] <furry901> sardano [03:31:33] <delphi1000> you know [03:31:55] <sardano> McBofh: then ZFS take some space of my partiton to make a swap slice? [03:32:03] <furry901> sardano: get 2008.05 [03:32:08] <furry901> and click click lcick [03:32:10] <furry901> ;) [03:32:15] <furry901> worked for em anhow [03:32:17] <sardano> McBofh: Can I share a swap partion with Linux? [03:32:29] <McBofh> sardano: no, you can't share a swap partition with linux [03:32:41] <McBofh> sardano: you should read the OpenSolaris 2008.05 GEtting Started Guide [03:32:46] <McBofh> it's on the livecd, and on docs.sun.com [03:32:56] <furry901> whats showtdown poweroff in opensolaris [03:33:02] <furry901> shutdown - who what [03:33:10] <delphi1000> halt [03:33:11] <McBofh> shutodwn -i5 [03:33:15] <McBofh> or /sbin/poweroff [03:33:17] <delphi1000> you can use hault [03:33:22] <_mary_kate_> halt doesn't usually power off, it just halts [03:33:30] <McBofh> there is no hault [03:33:33] <delphi1000> ok [03:33:45] *** toxic_ has quit IRC [03:33:46] <delphi1000> poweroff is a good choice [03:34:05] <furry901> ther is no sbin poweroff [03:34:45] <sommerfeld> ITYM /usr/sbin/poweroff [03:34:54] <sardano> What amount of space is ideal to give a good Open Solaris instalation? My aim is install some Oracle tools and Database and C/C++ and Java developement environment. [03:35:29] <McBofh> sommerfeld: right [03:35:30] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [03:35:33] <jbk> well oracle alone wants around 8gb just for the database binaries [03:35:34] <freetown> at least 10GB i would think... [03:35:55] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [03:35:56] <delphi1000> i think you should use 15 gb at least [03:36:48] *** furry901 has quit IRC [03:37:14] <sardano> ...then 30GB is not bad for install all this things? [03:37:45] <delphi1000> yeah [03:39:30] <_mary_kate_> jbk: hm, really? my /export/oracle is only 2GB [03:39:39] <_mary_kate_> ("only") [03:39:51] <jbk> most places have at least 8 gb for oracle binaries [03:39:54] <jbk> when you start patching [03:40:00] <jbk> or installing extra features [03:40:44] <sardano> What's the best way instal 2008.05 and update or get the last DVD version of open solaris? I already have an DVD burned with 2008.05 but I don't know if is hard to upgrade it. [03:43:13] <MindDrive> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-98.iso - the latest update to OpenSolaris [03:44:56] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [03:44:56] *** postwait has quit IRC [03:45:04] <jbk> probably a bit easier to use that [03:45:14] <jbk> it has some bug fixes if it's what i think it is [03:52:04] *** hacked_kernel has joined #opensolaris [03:53:27] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [03:59:53] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [04:00:17] <sardano> jdk Is hard to upgrade 2008.05 version? [04:01:18] <victori_> no [04:01:22] <hacked_kernel> is there a package manager for the opensolaris? [04:01:38] <freetown> in Indiana yes. IPS [04:05:51] <sardano> jdk? [04:06:09] <freetown> jdk + sunstudio = 1GB [04:06:17] <freetown> oh [04:06:20] *** jtmuzix has left #opensolaris [04:06:22] <freetown> nah [04:06:33] <freetown> just run a few commands first... [04:06:39] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [04:06:40] <sardano> jbk? [04:07:01] <sardano> jbk: Is hard to upgrade 2008.05 version? [04:07:04] <freetown> like update IPS, then update everything else, then you can do an image-update if you wish [04:07:12] <freetown> sardano: no. [04:07:25] <ninjaslim> i'm running SXCE, can ijust install packasges from the DVD, i installed the core group [04:07:49] <sardano> freetown: sorry I write wrong is not jdk was jbk (the guy online) [04:07:58] <jbk> if you have the 2008.05 version, it's not bad, but there are a few one time things [04:08:15] <jbk> the updated iso should have those issues fixed so it's just a matter of 'pkg refresh; pkg image-update' [04:08:22] <sardano> hacked_kernel: pkgadm [04:08:34] <sardano> Search about it. [04:08:42] <McBofh> ninjaslim: the easiest way forward is for you to re-install - select "all" - and *then* minimise [04:08:47] *** insomnia has quit IRC [04:08:49] <freetown> sardano: yeah, realized. it is just a few extra commands over what jbk gave you for 2008.05 [04:09:02] <delphi1000> hi guy [04:09:23] <hacked_kernel> How to know about software repositories to add them to the package manager? [04:09:33] <freetown> delphi1000: you just got yourself on the gals' ignore list [04:09:47] <delphi1000> just [04:10:16] <freetown> hacked_kernel: available...with Indiana only [04:10:26] <freetown> Indy aka 2008.05 [04:10:27] <ninjaslim> McBofh: but isn't that more tedious? [04:10:29] <sardano> jbk: I need download a DVD to upgrade Open Solaris 2008.05??? [04:10:35] <McBofh> ninjaslim: no, it's not [04:10:39] <McBofh> ninjaslim: trust me, I've tried it [04:10:40] <freetown> sardano: no. [04:10:53] <ninjaslim> McBofh: how would i do this (I come from BSD, just testing Solaris) [04:10:54] <McBofh> and heck, talking people through how to get all the dependencies figured out.... *not* fun [04:10:55] <MindDrive> The latest development ISOs for OpenSolaris (like the b98 one) do require a DVD. [04:11:07] <freetown> sardano: jbk already showed the command for upgrade: pkg image-update [04:11:14] <McBofh> ninjaslim: do what, re-install? reboot off the media [04:11:23] <hacked_kernel> why there is other projects than indiana, is n't this will make some mess? [04:11:25] <ninjaslim> McBofh: no what are the utilities to use to minimise [04:11:29] <freetown> sardano: but...you have to a few things before running that [04:11:47] <McBofh> ninjaslim: have a look at JASS on sun.com/blueprints [04:11:53] <McBofh> that's the supported way of minimising [04:11:58] <McBofh> or, you could go and grab Milax [04:12:04] <McBofh> or osol200805 [04:12:06] * McBofh shrugs [04:12:40] <ninjaslim> i don't want to use opensolaris, seems unpolished for now [04:12:40] <freetown> hacked_kernel: no other project uses IPS as far as I know. Another project uses apt and deb: nexenta [04:12:46] *** coffman has quit IRC [04:12:59] * McBofh snorts [04:13:05] <McBofh> "unpolished" ? compared to what? [04:13:15] <ninjaslim> no unpolished i mean less of what i want [04:13:31] * McBofh shrugs [04:13:47] <ninjaslim> i come from FreeBSD, i start with bare essentials and work my way up to a full install [04:13:56] <ninjaslim> i have on post-install script that takes care of all of this [04:14:06] <sardano> freetown: OK but what is get the packages for upgrade, from internet? [04:14:07] <McBofh> groovy [04:14:13] <freetown> ninjaslim: sorry, no gentoo flavoured opensolaris available yet [04:14:16] <ninjaslim> i would've wanted something similar on solaris, the option to just start with minimal and build a desktop above [04:14:19] <McBofh> ninjaslim: Solaris and OpenSolaris come from a different perspective [04:14:24] <McBofh> "we don't do it that way" [04:14:26] <ninjaslim> freetown: FreeBSD is not Gentoo [04:14:26] <freetown> sardano: yes...over the Internet [04:14:27] <sardano> ...or I need to download a DVD for upgrade it? [04:14:44] <ninjaslim> we actually have very high standards [04:14:55] <freetown> ninjaslim: OKAY, NO PORTS flavoured OpenSolaris distro available. [04:15:00] <ninjaslim> McBofh: but isn't SXCE and OpenSolaris part of the same project [04:15:08] <freetown> nope [04:15:15] <delphi1000> ports collections? [04:15:21] <sardano> freetown: something like a repository, like on linux? [04:15:29] <freetown> oui! oui! [04:15:31] *** delphi1000 has quit IRC [04:17:01] <sardano> freetown: Are you French? [04:17:09] <ninjaslim> what bothers me about opensolaris is the lack of customization options within the installer, like it just pushes the gnome dsktop on you from the start [04:17:52] <McBofh> ninjaslim: that was a deliberate design decision [04:17:59] <sardano> Solaris is free or only Open Solaris is free? [04:18:04] <ninjaslim> ok [04:18:07] <McBofh> OpenSolaris is "free" [04:18:12] <McBofh> both are zero-cost to download and use [04:18:17] <alanc> Solaris 10 and Express can be used without paying [04:18:19] <MindDrive> The new installer, Caiman, is still in it's infancy, and will get more flexibility in the future. [04:18:19] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [04:18:19] <McBofh> well... except for your ISP costs [04:18:50] <freetown> sardano: nope, I am Chinese actually [04:20:03] <sardano> Solaris 10 = Sun OS 5.10 [04:20:16] <sardano> Open Solaris 2008.05 = Sun OS 5.11 [04:21:07] <sardano> Then...I thougth Open Solaris is a version of Solaris, is it right? [04:21:23] <freetown> aimed at different people...but maybe opensolaris will become the basis for solaris 12...over the dead bodies of thousands of solaris admins :P [04:23:40] <MindDrive> OpenSolaris is the basis of Solaris 11. [04:24:11] <sardano> Someone knows what can I run dbx on netbeans 6.x? [04:24:23] <freetown> ah, even better. Now them Solaris admins can commit suicide earlier :D [04:24:54] *** postwait_ has quit IRC [04:24:58] <sardano> I readed something about a dbx plugin for Netbeans but I don't found any. [04:25:04] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [04:25:26] <sardano> Netbeans 6.1 update (last version) not give any choice for change default debugger "gdb". [04:26:19] <sardano> Netbeans is a great developement environment for develop software for Solaris. [04:26:58] *** hacked_kernel has quit IRC [04:27:10] <freetown> sardano: i think you will make a great marketeer :) [04:32:16] <sardano> thx [04:37:49] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [04:38:03] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris [04:38:31] *** mikegriffin has joined #opensolaris [04:44:34] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [04:59:26] *** Odin- has quit IRC [05:00:04] *** sardano has left #opensolaris [05:01:08] *** mgedisman has quit IRC [05:08:35] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [05:08:36] *** postwait has quit IRC [05:21:28] *** loquitus_of_borg has joined #opensolaris [05:21:29] *** nachox has quit IRC [05:21:46] <loquitus_of_borg> I just reinstalled opensolaris and I am still getting this issue: libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed [05:22:03] <loquitus_of_borg> this happens whenever I try to build open source packages from source. [05:22:07] <loquitus_of_borg> it is driving me nuts [05:22:21] *** the_unmaker has joined #opensolaris [05:22:21] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [05:24:01] *** ajmcello has quit IRC [05:24:24] <the_unmaker> hi yall [05:25:55] <freetown> hi [05:27:23] *** FreshCat has joined #OpenSolaris [05:27:25] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [05:27:39] *** FreshCat has left #OpenSolaris [05:32:28] *** jlc has quit IRC [05:35:45] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [05:37:30] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [05:46:03] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [05:48:34] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [05:50:37] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [05:50:52] *** stukag has quit IRC [05:51:07] <e^ipi> blah [05:51:21] <jbk> evening john [05:51:39] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [05:51:45] <e^ipi> how's it going jason? [05:52:16] <jbk> alright [05:52:22] <jbk> enjoying my almost vacation [05:52:35] <jbk> what have you been up to? [05:53:39] <e^ipi> eh, not much [05:53:44] <e^ipi> SCM stuff [05:54:10] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [05:54:44] <the_unmaker> aside from hadoop what are clustered apps for doing large data mining jobs that are open source [05:57:04] <insomnia> data mining == spam generating? [05:57:59] <the_unmaker> no ad targeting [05:58:02] <the_unmaker> n stuff [05:58:04] <the_unmaker> reporting [05:58:15] <the_unmaker> I heard spam people make $$ tho [06:03:49] <sstallion> evening all [06:04:36] <jbk> hey sstallion [06:04:50] <sstallion> heya jbk... hows life ? [06:04:54] <the_unmaker> lol sounds like you guys went to a gay bar [06:04:55] <the_unmaker> lol [06:05:30] <jbk> alright [06:06:08] <jbk> half the city still doesn't have power [06:06:23] <sstallion> yeah... heard from my family in baytown.. still no power [06:06:30] <sstallion> my brothers house ended up being flooded [06:06:37] <jbk> that happened to a friend in kemah [06:09:25] <the_unmaker> heh [06:09:31] <the_unmaker> <----santa monica ca [06:09:37] <the_unmaker> <--plenty fo power [06:10:07] <jbk> we had a bit of a weather incident last weekend [06:11:29] *** dnm has joined #opensolaris [06:12:56] <jbk> perhaps you heard about it [06:15:22] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [06:16:38] <the_unmaker> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/papers/CSL06.html [06:17:41] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [06:17:58] <sstallion> the_unmaker: ? [06:22:52] <Chipdancer> does anybody know how to allow anonymous user access to a CIFS share? (zfs sharesmb=on) [06:26:46] <Chipdancer> bummer - Solaris CIFS server does not support unauthenticated access. [06:28:11] <the_unmaker> oops wrogn channel [06:28:16] <the_unmaker> but haskell is cool ;) [06:32:48] <sstallion> the_unmaker: I did a fair bit of haskell in college [06:33:08] <sstallion> finite automata in haskell is... interesting [06:33:45] <the_unmaker> sstallion: seriously? [06:34:02] <the_unmaker> is it way better than say python or java? [06:34:29] <sstallion> its a functional langage... its comparing apples to coat hangers [06:35:07] <sstallion> there are some things that haskell does very well (assuming you have the heap for it) [06:35:09] <sstallion> others, not so much [06:37:03] <e^ipi> we did prolog & ((l)(i)((s)(p))) [06:37:17] <sstallion> yech [06:37:24] <sstallion> we emulated prolog in haskell [06:38:25] <e^ipi> nice [06:38:56] <the_unmaker> lisp and haskell always seem to build prolog outa themselves [06:38:59] <the_unmaker> weird [06:39:06] <the_unmaker> lisp is cool I hear [06:39:13] <sstallion> did a lot of language analysis... one of the fun ones was a predicate calculus interpreter [06:39:24] <the_unmaker> hm [06:39:34] <the_unmaker> I was an economics major so never programmed [06:39:36] <sstallion> even had a regex compiler/interpreter [06:39:37] <the_unmaker> :( [06:40:02] *** gm152 has quit IRC [06:40:48] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: you can train a monkey to program in a week. an econ. major should be able to wing it after a couple months or so [06:41:31] <e^ipi> it's not really that hard, you go step-by-step and you're done [06:41:36] <e^ipi> the hard bit is programming well [06:42:01] <the_unmaker> ah ha! [06:42:07] <the_unmaker> I have soem books on forth [06:42:13] <the_unmaker> it seems cool [06:42:54] <e^ipi> every turing-complete language is roughly the same *shrug* [06:43:01] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [06:43:26] *** loquitus_of_borg has left #opensolaris [06:44:09] <e^ipi> TBPH i occasionally forget what language i'm writing while I write it [06:53:01] *** MarkTraceur has joined #opensolaris [06:53:27] <the_unmaker> hm [06:53:50] <the_unmaker> there is this open mpi and hadoop [06:54:54] <MarkTraceur> Morning all [06:55:18] <e^ipi> heya [06:56:35] <MarkTraceur> I just asked this in #solaris but figured it's better to do it here [06:56:48] <MarkTraceur> I'm running OpenSolaris 2008.05 [06:56:55] <MarkTraceur> Are there any crazy strange ways of accessing the network settings in the GUI other than Menu>System Tools>Administration>Network? If not, is it possible the driver for my ethernet card is not installed even if the driver utility says otherwise? [06:59:37] <e^ipi> nuke nwam and turn on default networking [07:00:09] <e^ipi> nwam is useful when you don't give a damn how your network works, you just want it to be on the internet [07:00:35] <e^ipi> for a more architected solution, you need to not use nwam [07:01:01] <MarkTraceur> OK, will attempt upon reboot [07:01:04] <skillet> e^ipi, do you ever sleep? [07:01:26] <MarkTraceur> It's only 10 where I am... [07:01:47] <e^ipi> i don't, why? [07:02:25] <skillet> just wondering... cause no matter what time of the day im in here you are always answering questions or telling ppl they are dumb. haha [07:02:43] <IvanR_> Which network driver had the recent bug with the reversed mac id? [07:02:56] <e^ipi> i don't tell people they're dumb [07:03:05] <e^ipi> if their question is dumb, i point them at the manual [07:03:16] <e^ipi> if the question is non-trivial, i answer it [07:03:32] <e^ipi> it's a fine distinction, but one i pride myself on. [07:03:37] <skillet> what do you do for a living anyways? [07:03:50] <e^ipi> write code [07:04:03] <e^ipi> and impact assesment reports [07:05:06] <skillet> thought you would be some time of engineer [07:05:27] <e^ipi> i don't like the term 'engineer' [07:05:29] <skillet> i guess you are though... software engineer i was thinking more along the lines of system engineer [07:05:43] *** anathematic has quit IRC [07:05:49] *** MarkTraceur has quit IRC [07:05:52] <e^ipi> 'engineer' implies mathematical rigour [07:06:01] *** Molle has quit IRC [07:06:03] <e^ipi> and outside NASA, nobody proves their code [07:06:06] *** Molle1 has joined #opensolaris [07:06:11] <e^ipi> ( in the hoare logic sense of the word 'prove' ) [07:06:18] *** Molle1 is now known as Molle [07:06:32] <e^ipi> code writing people... i prefer the term 'architect' [07:06:34] <skillet> NASA is anal [07:06:50] *** likaijun has joined #opensolaris [07:06:52] <e^ipi> exactly, hence their software engineers suit the term 'engineer' [07:07:18] *** pjd- has quit IRC [07:08:00] <likaijun> hello ,I want to optimize my boot_archive in my customed distribution based SUNOS5.11 [07:08:21] <likaijun> can someone give me some suggestion? [07:08:35] <e^ipi> become intimately familiar with the code? [07:08:51] <e^ipi> and that's harder than it seems, ON is verging on 400M, code only [07:09:02] <likaijun> no , [07:09:48] <e^ipi> yes? [07:09:49] <likaijun> but i found it only about 40M in Sol-10 [07:10:07] <e^ipi> found what only 40M ? [07:10:37] <skillet> 400M of code... holy crap [07:10:37] <likaijun> so ,I think it may have some optimize method. [07:11:03] <e^ipi> likaijun: not really [07:11:05] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [07:11:12] <e^ipi> a lot's been added since 10GA [07:11:48] <likaijun> yes ,int the sun's sol_11(kerne b79) in the /platform/i86pc/boot_archive is only 40M [07:13:37] <likaijun> I use root_archive unpack ... and pack.... but after reboot,it becomes larger. [07:13:54] <IvanR_> And it's already split into seperate 32 vs 64 bit archives, along with the files being compressed. [07:13:55] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [07:14:27] <IvanR_> I think the only way to make it smaller would be to remove driver packages for hardware that machine doesn't have. [07:17:16] <likaijun> e^ipi: I know , But in my customed distribution, it become more then 90M [07:17:38] <e^ipi> it my stock version it's 27M [07:17:41] <e^ipi> SXCE <3 [07:18:42] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [07:23:14] *** fr4g has quit IRC [07:24:36] *** the_unmaker has quit IRC [07:24:44] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [07:28:51] <IvanR_> likaijun: how did you customize it? [07:30:07] <e^ipi> magic [07:30:53] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [07:37:50] *** yongsun_ has joined #opensolaris [07:48:07] *** yongsun has quit IRC [07:50:55] *** GhostDWORD` is now known as gottadoit [07:52:36] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [07:55:19] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [08:07:37] *** derchris has quit IRC [08:07:43] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [08:07:48] *** jimm3rs has joined #opensolaris [08:07:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [08:11:14] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [08:11:40] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [08:11:59] <Macabee> upgrade to 98 [08:12:02] <Macabee> not so flawless [08:12:03] <Macabee> Traceback (most recent call last): [08:12:03] <Macabee> File "/usr/sbin/xm", line 8, in <module> [08:12:03] <Macabee> from xen.xm import main [08:12:03] <Macabee> ImportError: No module named xen.xm [08:12:04] <Macabee> :/ [08:12:46] <e^ipi> intel cpu? [08:13:10] <Macabee> yes - but i figured out what's wrong :) [08:13:18] <Macabee> its not 98 - its me [08:13:24] <Macabee> i had a python 2.5 in my path [08:13:30] <Macabee> so 'xm' loads the wrong python [08:13:40] <Macabee> well - the right one - depends which way you look at it ;) [08:15:10] <Macabee> i guess i was expecting the xm script to explicity define the python it needed to load (like pkg etc. does) [08:19:58] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [08:20:52] <e^ipi> no, it's actually from linux [08:20:56] <e^ipi> so don't expect sanity [08:21:51] <Macabee> indeed :) [08:22:55] *** e57181_ has joined #opensolaris [08:23:47] <e^ipi> wine and ramen [08:23:53] <e^ipi> dinner of kings [08:26:14] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:26:26] *** jbasse has quit IRC [08:27:07] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [08:30:18] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [08:30:36] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [08:30:55] *** Gekz has quit IRC [08:32:15] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris [08:34:55] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris [08:35:19] *** sle has joined #opensolaris [08:36:19] <sle> what's the recommended way to upgrade ipkg branded zones to a new build? [08:36:52] <sle> pkg image-update doesn't work, and i'm starting to think that pkg install entire probably isn't the best way... [08:36:53] *** alka has quit IRC [08:37:04] *** e57181 has quit IRC [08:37:15] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:41:21] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [08:41:23] *** e57181_ is now known as e57181 [08:43:17] *** kokoko1 has joined #opensolaris [08:45:44] *** sophokles1 has left #opensolaris [08:46:35] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [08:46:41] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:48:20] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris [08:56:38] *** bofur has quit IRC [08:56:40] *** bofur has joined #opensolaris [08:57:43] <Macabee> sle: i always thought you shut down the zone then do a pkg -R /path/to/zone image-update [08:58:16] <sle> that doesn't seem to work [08:58:25] <Macabee> what build are you on? [08:58:36] <sle> pkg seems to think that it's still working on the zone [08:58:47] <sle> 98 on the root zone [08:58:56] <sle> 97 on my ipkg branded zone [09:03:24] <sle> oh, i just tried it again with the path to the full zone root and it seems to be working [09:03:42] <sle> so, the command should really be: [09:03:55] <sle> pkg -R $ZONE_ROOT/root image-update [09:04:50] <e^ipi> considering the close ties between libc and the kernel, and the way that zones work, seems like a dumb idea to me [09:06:04] <sle> ideally an image-update on the global zone would upgrade all the non-global zones too... [09:06:07] <oxygene> e^ipi: it's alpha software - it's full of dumb ideas, and sometimes they're the only solution (at the time) [09:06:07] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris [09:08:06] *** balbirs has left #opensolaris [09:08:37] <sle> seems like the image-update didn't create some sorta of "BE" for the non-global [09:09:07] <sle> so the process is essentially irreversible? [09:09:46] <oxygene> you could snapshot+clone the zone before issuing image-update [09:09:55] <oxygene> ie. do the same that the BE stuff is doing [09:10:04] <sle> yeah, so manually make one [09:12:19] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [09:15:00] *** nemski has joined #opensolaris [09:15:28] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [09:22:15] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [09:23:24] <m0zzzy> hi [09:23:47] <m0zzzy> I wanted to ask how I can recover data from zfs system. Controller crashed and disk was automatically detached with data on it. In system there is no such pool anymore. [09:24:00] <m0zzzy> I cannot mount zfs in old fashion if there is no pool associated with that device. [09:24:05] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [09:25:44] <e^ipi> try to force the import [09:26:37] <m0zzzy> e^ipi: how do I do it if the system doesn't have any references to zpool? After disk was detached pool was destroyed. [09:26:56] <e^ipi> how did that happen? [09:27:09] <e^ipi> your controller writes all over the data when it dies? [09:27:40] <m0zzzy> pool was removed manually. It didn't contain any devices during removal. [09:27:47] *** sle has quit IRC [09:28:24] <m0zzzy> e^ipi: this is vmware, so I removed the disk and destroyed the pool. I have this disk now with ZFS on it. [09:28:38] *** dunc has quit IRC [09:29:42] *** comay has quit IRC [09:30:15] <m0zzzy> any chances to get data back? [09:30:21] <e^ipi> doubtful [09:30:32] *** twisti_work is now known as twisti [09:31:06] <gausus> re [09:33:14] *** jimm3rs has left #opensolaris [09:33:33] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [09:39:02] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [09:41:24] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [09:53:16] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris [09:54:28] *** yongsun__ has joined #opensolaris [09:54:38] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [09:59:23] *** alka has joined #opensolaris [10:01:06] *** yongsun_ has quit IRC [10:04:40] *** anil1 has joined #opensolaris [10:04:41] *** anilg has quit IRC [10:06:36] *** sletz has joined #opensolaris [10:06:55] <sletz> test [10:07:12] <norman> passed [10:09:04] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [10:09:06] <Okona> m0zzzy: tried zpool import -D ? [10:10:45] <sletz> seems OpenSolaris "package manager" (GUI version) is quite buggy yes? [10:12:34] <e^ipi> the gui one isn't just 'quite buggy' [10:12:37] <e^ipi> it's entirely broken [10:12:48] <e^ipi> it may be resolved soon [10:12:59] <e^ipi> you ought to be using the command line for administrative tasks anyways [10:14:29] *** jbasse has quit IRC [10:14:41] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [10:14:55] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [10:15:08] *** yongsun__ has quit IRC [10:15:32] *** vk5foss has joined #opensolaris [10:15:51] *** sletz has quit IRC [10:17:16] *** kgoetz has quit IRC [10:26:27] *** freetown has left #opensolaris [10:37:37] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:38:06] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [11:04:19] *** msg-on-a-wire has joined #opensolaris [11:08:23] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [11:09:17] <mikl> So, what image-update really does is give you the latest bleeding edge Solaris, or what? [11:12:07] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [11:13:12] <ormandj> mikl: something like that [11:13:23] <mikl> hmm, great [11:13:24] <ormandj> it just updates your system to whatever build is currently available [11:13:38] <ormandj> once the actual sun repository is open, it won't be "bleeding edge" so much [11:15:52] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [11:16:57] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [11:22:44] <gerard13> hello all, how can i install os2008.05 in text-only mode? [11:25:50] <mikl> gerard13: you can't [11:26:54] <gerard13> argh [11:27:22] <gerard13> i have a problem because i'm using virtualbox from my sunray desktop [11:27:22] <mikl> ormandj: what do you mean by the actual sun repository? I thought pkg.opensolaris was that :) [11:27:38] <gerard13> and it cannot capture the mouse! [11:27:50] <mikl> gerard13: well, you can boot it up in text mode and then use SSH X-forwarding [11:27:56] <mikl> I did that yesterday [11:28:22] <gerard13> yes, good suggestion! thanks for it [11:28:58] <mikl> gerard13: there's a few tips for it here: http://blogs.sun.com/VirtualGuru/entry/installing_opensolaris_2008_05_into [11:29:01] <gerard13> i hope that virtualbox 2.0.2 is stable for opensolaris? [11:29:25] <mikl> most of it is highly irrelevant, but see 6b [11:30:24] <gerard13> ok, but i have to modify somathing in virtualbox because, by defaultt, i cannot ssh into a guest, is it? [11:33:23] *** anil1 has quit IRC [11:35:19] <mikl> gerard13: no, I don't think so [11:35:38] <mikl> as long as the guest gets an IP-address, you should be able to SSH to it [11:36:40] <gerard13> i'm not sure, i remember that it get something like 10.10.10.xx instead of my own network's ip [11:36:58] <gerard13> i'm wainting for the disk formatting [11:39:37] <ormandj> mikl: they're going to have a supported package repository for people who have contracts afaik [11:39:51] <ormandj> which will be the sun repository, probably something like pkg.sun.com or some such [11:40:39] <ormandj> that's the last i heard, at least. pkg.opensolaris.org will probably track development, pkg.sun.com will track bugfixes/etc only, until releases are made (like how it's done with solaris 10 currently) [11:42:25] <mikl> ormandj: oh, right :) [11:42:44] <mikl> so it'll be more like a distribution [11:43:06] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [11:43:40] <ormandj> mikl: one will be the "supported" version, stable and such, one will be the development version. i'll give you an analogy in pmsg :) [11:48:05] *** sartek has quit IRC [11:50:27] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [11:56:01] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [12:01:30] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [12:01:36] *** yongsun has left #opensolaris [12:04:16] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [12:07:32] *** balbir2 has joined #opensolaris [12:07:42] <balbir2> what is the meaning of 1M in installgrub(1M) ? [12:08:21] <timsf> man intro [12:08:53] *** Gekz has quit IRC [12:10:16] <balbir2> System Maintenance! Thank you :) [12:14:02] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [12:14:14] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [12:16:08] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [12:18:47] *** anilg has quit IRC [12:20:18] <div8> can i build a raid5+1 w/ zfs? [12:20:28] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [12:21:08] <seanmcg> div8, raidz is what you're looking for [12:21:17] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [12:24:32] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [12:25:35] *** _PRESSY has joined #opensolaris [12:26:29] *** ibob63 has joined #opensolaris [12:26:43] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all [12:27:12] <ibob63> hi guys. basic questions - just trying to install opensolaris and the cd just takes me to a grub menu. Is there something that I am missing? [12:28:05] <ibob63> or can I type something from grub the menu which boots the installer? [12:28:19] <_setuid_H> ibob63: This is normal that solaris cd boots with a grub. Or am I wrong? [12:28:32] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [12:33:38] <ibob63> thanks _setuid_H - for some reason, I can't get the docs from opensolaris.org to load ( internet issues ). So could you tell me what type in the grub menu to get it to load? [12:34:37] *** MattMan has quit IRC [12:35:03] <ibob63> hum. Surely Opensolaris is a LiveCD and should just load straight from boot? [12:35:30] <_setuid_H> it depends on what do you mean by "opensolaris" [12:35:37] <_setuid_H> opensolaris 2008.* or solaris express .. [12:35:54] *** kokoko1 has quit IRC [12:36:15] *** kokoko1 has joined #opensolaris [12:36:17] <_setuid_H> ibob63: but you wrote cd so you must mean opensolaris 2008.* sorry [12:38:44] *** jmcp has quit IRC [12:38:44] *** McBofh has quit IRC [12:39:32] *** Moi has joined #opensolaris [12:39:52] <Moi> Hola. [12:40:31] <Moi> Hello?? [12:42:24] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [12:42:35] <Moi> Hello! [12:42:43] <_setuid_H> Moi: :-D Hi [12:42:57] <Moi> How are you? [12:43:02] *** noyb has quit IRC [12:43:33] <_setuid_H> Moi: Damn there is an opensolaris irc channel not the xchat [12:43:58] <Moi> I have a little big problem and hope some can help me... [12:44:05] <_setuid_H> Moi: share it :-) [12:44:05] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [12:44:24] *** Gekz has quit IRC [12:44:34] <_setuid_H> Moi: what problem? [12:44:38] <Moi> I need to make availible nsar in solaris 10 [12:45:02] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [12:45:13] <_setuid_H> Moi: sparc or x86? [12:45:18] <Moi> But the information I am finding says that it is not posible [12:45:22] <Moi> sparc [12:45:35] <seanmcg> nsar ? [12:45:45] <Moi> nsar, yeah. [12:46:02] <_setuid_H> Moi: I found and binary at sunfreeware.com [12:46:32] <_setuid_H> Moi: do you need some specific version? [12:46:45] <Moi> I looked for this problem and what I found was nsar for solaris 10 need version 1.58 but it's missing [12:46:52] <Moi> No, any version [12:47:24] <Moi> any version that works in salaris 10 xD [12:47:54] <_setuid_H> Moi: try to build it. I tought it's a binary but it's a source [12:48:07] <_setuid_H> ftp://sunsite.univie.ac.at/pub/solaris/smc/SOURCES/nsar-1.52.tar.gz [12:48:57] <Moi> the problem is this: I can't build it because is for my job and sould be a oficial solution [12:49:12] *** Gekz has quit IRC [12:49:14] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [12:49:51] <_setuid_H> Moi: I don't see anything special on to build it by yourself. [12:50:02] <_setuid_H> Moi: or unofficial [12:50:53] <Moi> we could lost the sortware garranty [12:51:27] *** farsan_ is now known as farsan [12:51:50] <_setuid_H> I'll take a look at companion dvd there should be nsar. But I'm not sure [12:52:14] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [12:54:45] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [12:54:49] <Moi> Do you know when the 1.58 version will be ready??? [12:55:39] <_setuid_H> Moi: I was wrong nsar is not a part of the companion dvd [12:56:30] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris [12:56:46] <Moi> we usually ask to provider to install the patch of some pakages [12:57:02] <Moi> but whit the version 1.52 no way [12:57:08] <_setuid_H> ok [12:57:26] <_setuid_H> I don't see a way that I could help you with this problem, sorry. [12:57:55] *** ibob63 has quit IRC [12:59:39] <Moi> no problem, thanks... [12:59:50] *** tsoome has quit IRC [12:59:54] <_setuid_H> Moi: you're welcome [13:00:55] *** Moi has quit IRC [13:02:14] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris [13:02:30] *** derchris has quit IRC [13:02:34] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris [13:02:44] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris [13:03:37] *** kokoko1 has quit IRC [13:06:45] *** airjump has quit IRC [13:11:20] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [13:11:40] *** derchris^ has quit IRC [13:15:52] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [13:16:47] *** naoto_gohko has joined #opensolaris [13:18:44] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [13:26:15] *** stukag has quit IRC [13:27:09] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [13:28:47] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [13:31:09] <mikl> unix: [ID 954099 kern.info] NOTICE: IRQ16 is being shared by drivers with different interrupt levels. <- is that really bad or just a minor issue? 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[13:51:27] <oxygene> TomJ: you satisfy the high-tech (wow, raid-5!) and the caveman (mirror, everything else is black magic!) managers at the same time ;) [13:51:33] <TomJ> haha [13:52:08] <TomJ> if you're really paranoid, go for three way mirroring. 3 disks of data out of 9, or 4 disks of data out of 12 is not muc hworse than the raid5+mirror idea, but far far safer (and more performant) [13:53:11] <oxygene> 3 out of 9, with one hotspare.. that makes the admin slightly more redundant, too [13:53:30] *** Odin- has quit IRC [13:53:35] <div8> well, let me explain... my idea is to have x disks exported through fc from 2 storage servers, x/2 disks from the first server should have raid-z I wanna have mirorred on the other x/2 disks of the second server [13:54:55] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [13:56:24] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [13:56:59] *** likaijun has quit IRC [13:57:14] <oxygene> div8: and why not just raid10? [13:58:28] *** McBofh has joined #opensolaris [13:58:53] <div8> oxygene: is this possible with zfs? [13:59:38] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [14:02:52] *** Zplay has quit IRC [14:04:57] *** Macabee_ has joined #opensolaris [14:06:22] <oxygene> div8: zpool create pool mirror d1 d6 mirror d2 d7 mirror d3 d8 mirror d4 d9 mirror d5 d10 might work [14:08:35] <balbir2> how can the see the location of superblock of on the particular partition/slice ? [14:09:03] <jmcp> newfs -n, iirc [14:09:04] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [14:09:11] <jmcp> that's true for ufs [14:09:17] <jmcp> for ZFS... life is different [14:10:04] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris [14:10:54] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [14:14:02] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [14:14:39] *** mikl has quit IRC [14:16:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC [14:16:49] *** jbasse has quit IRC [14:19:57] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [14:20:43] *** Macabee has quit IRC [14:27:48] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [14:27:51] *** postwait_ has quit IRC [14:28:10] <balbir2> I am using zfs [14:32:06] <balbir2> bash-3.2# newfs -Nv /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s2 [14:32:06] <balbir2> /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s2: No such device or address [14:32:27] <TomJ> you dont use newfs on zfs [14:32:32] <TomJ> you just create a zpool and that's it [14:32:32] <jmcp> balbir2: then you don't have a superblock [14:32:33] <balbir2> I know I have above device, slice should represent entire fdisk directory [14:32:43] <jmcp> the error is coming from newfs, not ZFS [14:32:45] <PerterB> and don't ne newfs-ing s2, you'll regret it [14:32:46] <jmcp> newfs is a UFS command [14:33:39] <balbir2> **slice 2 should me my second fdisk partion of first HDD [14:34:04] <jmcp> balbir2: what is the end goal that you are trying to achieve? [14:34:38] <balbir2> wanted to take the backup of my superblock in a file using dd command [14:34:46] <jmcp> "superblock" is a UFS concept [14:34:50] <jmcp> it does not exist with ZFS [14:35:09] <balbir2> ohh.. ok. Thank you for clarifying it! :) [14:35:44] <balbir2> I will read the doc on zfs fs first. [14:35:58] <jmcp> opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs is also a good place to look [14:36:06] <jmcp> there are some introductions to ZFS there which are very handy [14:42:35] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:42:40] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [14:42:56] <balbir2> thanks jmcp [14:43:15] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [14:46:55] *** Yorlik has joined #opensolaris [14:47:15] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [14:47:45] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [14:47:50] <Yorlik> Is there a 64 bit version of SXCE ? [14:47:51] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [14:48:20] <oxygene> Yorlik: x86 is both 32 and 64bit [14:48:25] <oxygene> sparc is 64bit only [14:49:20] <Yorlik> So with the normal x86 version I'll have all the 64 bit goodies ? [14:49:26] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [14:49:39] <nemski> only if oyu're running 64bit CPU [14:49:54] <Yorlik> 2 x Xeon 5050 dual core [14:50:00] <Yorlik> :) [14:50:44] *** Jon has quit IRC [14:51:36] *** TomJ has quit IRC [14:52:05] <jmcp> Yorlik: if your intel/amd-family hardware is 64bit capable, then on reboot after installation you'll by default have the 64bit kernel operating [14:52:21] <Yorlik> cool. [14:52:25] <jbk> morning [14:52:30] <nemski> yeah [14:52:37] <Yorlik> <== is installing via network on vmware esxi [14:52:39] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [14:52:47] <nemski> looks like Xeons can operate at both 32bit and 64bit [14:52:53] <nemski> atleast that Xeon model [14:52:54] <jmcp> I should hope so [14:52:55] <Yorlik> I might need windows at some point unfortunately [14:52:59] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [14:53:07] <nemski> winblows ftl [14:53:08] <Yorlik> thats why vmware [14:53:21] <Yorlik> but all ix-stuff will get into zones. [14:53:24] <jmcp> Yorlik: have you tried VirtualBox ? [14:53:30] <Yorlik> not really. [14:53:42] <nemski> jmcp: virtual box still has a host OS [14:53:49] <nemski> whereas esx doesn't [14:53:55] * jmcp shrugs [14:54:06] <Yorlik> esxi is awesome. [14:54:18] <Yorlik> <== is open source ideology agnostic [14:54:32] <Yorlik> I just want the stuff to work. [14:54:35] <jmcp> me too [14:54:48] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [14:54:59] <jmcp> but since I'm a Solaris kernel developer, it's up to me to make that a true statement for the rest of y'all :) [14:55:00] <Yorlik> overhead is suspected to be 5-10 % max [14:55:24] <oxygene> the coreboot project had a gsoc project to put linux and kvm into firmware [14:55:28] <codestr0m> jmcp: speaking of kernel sources.. would you be so kind as to point me at the public repo for source/spec files or tarballs? [14:55:29] <Yorlik> jmcp: Give me a solution as confortable as vmware and I take it. [14:55:48] <oxygene> so we have a x86 ldom alike now :) [14:56:05] <jmcp> codestr0m: spec-files? no idea, sorry. otherwise - hg.opensolaris.org is your friend, and we don't do tarballs anymore [14:56:17] <jmcp> oxygene: neat [14:56:19] <codestr0m> jmcp: thanks [14:57:01] <jmcp> Yorlik: all I can say about vmware is that a bloke I used to work with in the FC world went to vmware and has since moved on to another company.... so I know nothing useful about vmware, sorry [14:57:41] <Yorlik> If i ever have to change I guess a conversion will be possible ... at least I'd expect it ... ;) [14:57:48] <_mary_kate_> nemski: modern xeons can do both, older ones can't [14:57:59] <oxygene> jmcp: we also have an ibmbios compatible bios now (derived from bochsbios), so we can provide a compatible x86 bios. the tianocore port is work in progress (to provide a truly open EFI firmware). oh, OF, too (just no OF operating system on x86) [14:58:19] <jmcp> heh [14:58:22] <nemski> _mary_kate_: so it appears [14:58:34] <nemski> it's been a while since I've actually read anything about it [14:58:44] <nemski> glad Intel finally made the decision to support both [14:59:37] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris [14:59:39] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [15:00:27] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [15:00:34] <mikl> Q: I've set up sunfreeware as an authority. How do I find and install packages from it using "pkg" ? [15:01:45] *** wms has joined #opensolaris [15:01:51] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:02:41] *** skillet has quit IRC [15:03:34] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [15:04:43] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [15:09:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [15:10:16] <codestr0m> in reading this blog entry http://www2.purplecow.org/?p=78 it says *do not* compile onnv-gate with SS12 is this still true? [15:10:37] <jmcp> for the moment, yes [15:10:47] <jmcp> though that's going to change in the near future, iirc [15:11:26] * codestr0m looks unhappy [15:11:33] <jmcp> why? [15:11:51] <codestr0m> because I'd really prefer not to have SS11 and SS12 [15:11:52] <JWheeler> it's rather funny that [15:12:07] <codestr0m> I'd like 1 unified build system to rule them all :P [15:12:20] <JWheeler> surely opensolaris would be one of Suns more important code bases, and to not have that working well with their own compiler...well [15:12:22] <seanmcg> codestr0m, that blog entry says snv_74.. theres been a large amount of stuff done since then on both the compiler and ON so they can compile :) [15:12:36] *** ali_bb has joined #opensolaris [15:12:38] *** Odin- has quit IRC [15:13:00] <_mary_kate_> JWheeler: it works fine with their own compiler - Studio 11 [15:13:11] <jmcp> JWheeler: which of ss11 and ss12 is "not their own compiler" ? [15:13:15] * jmcp confused [15:13:20] <_mary_kate_> JWheeler: it's a very large code base and updating (and verifying it) again a new compiler is not trivial [15:13:21] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I think you either did the work or mentioned it that ON can compile with gcc [15:13:41] <jmcp> that's been true since S10 FCS [15:13:52] <jmcp> how do you think we managed to bootstrap it for amd64 in the first place? [15:13:55] <seanmcg> that it can compile with gcc [15:13:55] <TomJ> codestr0m: god only knows why you'd want to? [15:14:09] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: i believe the amd64 team used gcc before studio supported it [15:14:14] <codestr0m> I'll go ahead and give compiling it with SS12 a try.. From what I can gather it'll panic when loaded or I'll have other strange behavior [15:14:14] *** balbir2 has quit IRC [15:14:16] <seanmcg> I did no work to get ON compiling with SS12 or gcc :) [15:14:18] <TomJ> ah I see [15:14:31] <jmcp> seanmcg: that's cos you're slack :) [15:14:37] <JWheeler> jmcp, well exactly, so why wasn't it working with ss12.. mind you, reading the blog entry in a bit more detail, he does say that ON was fine, so let me withdraw before I'm jumped on again [15:14:37] <TomJ> what is FCS? [15:14:41] <_mary_kate_> i'm not really sure why anyone would want to use gcc nowadays though [15:14:47] <codestr0m> TomJ: god only knows why I'd want to compile everything with SS12? [15:14:49] <jmcp> TomJ: First Customer Ship [15:14:51] * seanmcg goes to find some regression for jmcp to fix [15:14:54] <TomJ> codestr0m: no, gcc [15:14:58] <jmcp> seanmcg: :-P [15:15:16] <TomJ> jmcp: ah ok. so Solaris 10 first release was all GCC compiled on x86? not SS until Update 1? [15:15:20] <jmcp> JWheeler: we don't like to just switch the version of the compiler that we use whenever there's a new version available [15:15:27] <jmcp> TomJ: I believe that's a true statement [15:15:31] <TomJ> wow [15:15:40] <TomJ> glad I never used it :) [15:15:47] <jmcp> it worked just fine, really [15:16:00] <jmcp> but we kinda like using our own compiler [15:16:03] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: hm... i thought even post-S10 there were bits of ON that didn't build with gcc? [15:16:05] <seanmcg> I think that some of s10 was with gcc (64bit side of things), but a large/most was with Sun CC [15:16:09] <_mary_kate_> or maybe those were introduced after S10 [15:16:09] <JWheeler> presumably ON was used as a test case by the ss12 developers, it would be a prime candidate for in house testing [15:16:29] <jmcp> JWheeler: that's a good question. I don't know what they've used as test cases [15:16:36] <jmcp> I do know that the compiler geeks are scaary [15:16:54] <JWheeler> lol, I won't argue there [15:16:58] <jmcp> :) [15:17:06] <_mary_kate_> JWheeler: that's assuming the problems with building ON are in the compiler, not the code [15:17:21] <_mary_kate_> (some of them are, hence the requirement for a specific patchlevel to build ON, but not all of them) [15:17:36] <TomJ> jmcp: which dept are you at Sun? [15:17:45] <jmcp> TomJ: read my blog today :) [15:17:52] <JWheeler> yeah... I guess that's very much a chicken/egg problem, from which noone wins [15:17:55] <codestr0m> jmcp: what's your blog? [15:17:56] <jmcp> JWheeler: another, major, reason why we don't switch compilers all that often is that sometimes we find bugs in the compiler, and we can do certain things to work around those bugs in a deterministic fashion. [15:17:59] <jmcp> blogs.sun.com/jmcp [15:18:00] <jmcp> duh :) [15:18:36] <codestr0m> I don't normally read sun blogs outside what google finds so for me this is non-obvious [15:18:41] <jmcp> TomJ: Solaris Storage Drivers [15:18:47] <jmcp> codestr0m: sorry, I was being flippant [15:18:48] <holcomb> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008091802/ [15:18:58] <holcomb> first one - switching to ss12 which is stricter with lint [15:18:59] <seanmcg> internally they've been building ON with SS12 for a loong time for testing to iron out the bugs on both sides [15:19:10] <jmcp> codestr0m: but since most Sun folks here use the same nick as their blog handle, I thought it might reasonably easy to figure out [15:19:27] <codestr0m> jmcp: there are sun employees in here? ;) [15:19:47] <jmcp> sssshhhhh [15:21:09] <codestr0m> holcomb: thanks [15:21:10] <TomJ> jmcp: nice. any chance HP CPQary drivers will ever be in base? :) [15:21:20] <jmcp> TomJ: I expect so... eventually [15:21:22] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:21:40] <jmcp> they're going through The Process [15:21:42] <TomJ> cool, HP are the only boxes I have to mess with driver disks still [15:21:53] <jmcp> not the arcmsr-style one, but the more heavyweight one [15:32:14] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [15:32:44] * _mary_kate_ is hoping U6 will add the new(er) mega_sas driver... bnx already made installing much easier here [15:32:53] <jmcp> _mary_kate_: yes, it's in there [15:33:01] <_mary_kate_> yay [15:33:24] *** Rarok has quit IRC [15:33:30] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [15:37:23] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [15:39:53] *** tdk has joined #opensolaris [15:41:10] <tdk> I screwed my user permissions so badly that I can't su(1) anmore. how can I fix this? [15:42:54] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [15:43:11] <m0zzzy> tdk: there should be su.static somewhere [15:43:17] <trygvis_> booting in single mode and log in as root? [15:43:48] <tdk> but as a "normal" user I can't reboot. [15:43:49] <m0zzzy> tdk: played with suid/sgid on su? [15:44:04] <Stric> got pfexec? [15:44:11] <tdk> no, I set roles in the user config and I gave me all access [15:46:27] *** Rarok has quit IRC [15:48:41] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [15:50:00] <gerard13> hello all, i need the lines to add at prompt grub to boot an old solaris express (SXDE3). These lines don't exist [15:50:15] *** twisti is now known as twisti_work [15:51:02] <tdk> how/where can I reset the roles which are assigned to my user? [15:51:05] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:51:28] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:51:32] <m0zzzy> tdk: /etc/user_attr [15:52:39] *** neonum6__ is now known as neonum6_ [15:52:49] <tdk> mOzzzy: thanx, all I need now is root access to edit the file, any suggestions? [15:53:16] <timsf> gerard13: root (hd0,0,a) <- probably [15:53:24] <timsf> kernel /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix [15:53:35] <timsf> module /platform/i86pc/boot_archive [15:53:43] <timsf> boot [15:54:17] <gerard13> thanks timsf [15:54:34] <m0zzzy> tdk: boot cdrom -s [15:55:15] <gerard13> i've tried module /boot/x86.miniroot-safe and it refuses [15:55:16] <tdk> mOzzzy: "boot: Permission denied"! [16:00:02] <gerard13> timsf? [16:00:05] <gerard13> http://pastealacon.com/1213 [16:00:21] <gerard13> you don't give me the entries for failsafe boot [16:01:03] <gerard13> anybody has these lines somewhere? [16:01:25] <timsf> Right so just do what the instructions say [16:01:44] <timsf> Oh, you don't have the failsafe boot [16:01:46] <codestr0m> I'm looking for the spec file to SUNWcs, but it's not in svn/jds/spec-files (or at least not trunk) google doesn't find anything.. anyone want to point me in the right direction? [16:01:58] <gerard13> yes timsf, that's my problem [16:02:16] <gerard13> and i don't find them on the net [16:02:21] <codestr0m> I also see two branches besides trunk opensolaris-2008-05-bts and opensolaris-2008-05. in general are those useful to me? [16:03:11] <timsf> gerard13: if you've got a cdrom you can boot from that, then mount the root filesystem, and fix up the boot archive. [16:03:42] <gerard13> no i don't have the cdrom, and this machine is my jumpstart server :( [16:03:59] <gerard13> is there no failsafe for solaris express? [16:04:52] <seanmcg> gerard13, there is of course. Something like: [16:04:55] <seanmcg> title boot1 failsafe [16:04:55] <seanmcg> findroot (BE_boot1,0,a) [16:04:55] <seanmcg> kernel /boot/platform/i86pc/kernel/unix -s -B console=ttya [16:04:55] <seanmcg> module /boot/x86.miniroot-safe [16:05:50] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [16:07:10] *** TomJ has quit IRC [16:10:15] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [16:11:00] *** jbasse has quit IRC [16:12:08] <gerard13> seanmcg: the kernel line isn't ok for me [16:14:00] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: what is SUNWcs? (doesn't seem to exist in S10) [16:14:34] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: basename file usr/bin/i86/ksh93 pkg:/SUNWcs at 0 dot 5.11-0.98 [16:14:46] <codestr0m> core system or something like this [16:14:48] <_mary_kate_> i'm not sure ksh93 would be part of jds :-) [16:15:30] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: ok. maybe you'd be so kind as to help point me at the spec files/sources for other things? I mean how is this built with SVR4 ? [16:15:50] <_mary_kate_> most packages are built from pkgdefs (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/pkgdefs/) but i don't see SUNWcs there [16:16:22] <seanmcg> gerard13, you may not have /boot/platform/... then ? [16:16:25] <codestr0m> I think I've seen it called SUNWcsu as well [16:16:36] <_mary_kate_> csr/csu are there [16:17:25] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: thanks. I'll take a look and see if that's it [16:18:45] *** z1nOnly has joined #opensolaris [16:18:48] <gerard13> ok seanmcg, a typo, it works now, thanks [16:20:56] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [16:21:21] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:22:46] <tdk> how can I boot into single-user mode without having root provileges (no su possible)? [16:23:28] <ballChalk> powe rbutton [16:23:34] <gerard13> tdk, add -s on the kernel line [16:24:32] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [16:24:43] <tdk> ballChalk: power button doesn't get me into single-user [16:24:53] <tdk> gerard13: which kernel line? [16:25:07] <gerard13> when youi power on, you see the grub menu [16:25:21] <gerard13> type e to edit lines in grub menu [16:25:22] <Auralis> simple, you don't, unless you boot from an install medium and mount the root slice [16:25:39] <gerard13> tdk: you are talking about x86 machine? [16:25:48] <tdk> gerard13: yep [16:26:07] <gerard13> are you in front the machine? [16:26:26] <tdk> Auralis: I tried just that, but what is the root password for the OpenSol installation CD? [16:26:44] <tdk> gerard13: yes, I keep rebooting/powering on/off :( [16:27:08] <Auralis> isn't that listed in the install docs on the download site? [16:27:27] <gerard13> and when you machine is powering on, do you see the grub menu? [16:28:21] <tdk> gerard13: yes [16:28:40] <gerard13> and do you edit the menu with "e" ? [16:29:01] <gerard13> ?kernel /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix -s [16:29:03] <tdk> which entry at which stage? [16:29:08] <gerard13> something like that [16:29:33] <gerard13> at first stage, you see the name of the OS you have to choose [16:29:44] <gerard13> then do "e" to enter in the details [16:30:06] *** postwait has quit IRC [16:30:14] <tdk> ok, done that, now waiting... [16:30:15] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [16:31:11] <tdk> gerard13: didn't help (maybe wrong entry I edited) still goes to multi-user [16:31:20] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [16:35:25] <tdk> gerard13: got it, now I'm back in business, thanx [16:38:54] *** Molle has quit IRC [16:39:00] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [16:39:29] *** edgy has joined #opensolaris [16:39:43] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [16:40:08] *** erast has quit IRC [16:44:35] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [16:48:24] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [16:49:31] <z1nOnly> newbie to opensolaris, just installed opensolaris 2008.05 on system with 2 hard drives. trying to attach second drive to rpool. How do i identify physical drive? thanks in advance [16:49:53] <_mary_kate_> iostat -En [16:51:33] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [16:52:14] *** mikl has quit IRC [16:52:29] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [16:52:41] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [16:53:23] <jbk> someone's porting glibc to solaris? [16:53:25] <jbk> uugh [16:54:38] <tdk> gerard13: I was too hasty :( what entry do I need in /etc/user_attr so that I can su etc again? [16:59:32] *** div8 has quit IRC [17:01:25] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [17:03:19] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [17:03:58] *** phimic has quit IRC [17:04:26] *** _PRESSY has quit IRC [17:07:43] *** jbasse has quit IRC [17:08:31] *** jfndi_ has joined #opensolaris [17:12:07] *** netj has quit IRC [17:13:12] *** tdk has quit IRC [17:16:29] *** tsoome has quit IRC [17:16:42] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:19:58] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [17:23:24] <e^ipi> jbk: seriously? [17:23:25] <e^ipi> haha [17:23:28] <e^ipi> why? [17:24:01] *** timsf has quit IRC [17:24:57] <codestr0m> if I'm on os2008* how do I get pkg search -r SUNWonbld.. cause that search isn't returning anything [17:25:23] <e^ipi> no, you will need nevada to build ON anyways [17:25:30] <codestr0m> I'm following this guide to building ONNV http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/building_opensolaris/ [17:25:34] <jbk> that was kinda my question [17:25:47] *** edgy has quit IRC [17:25:47] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:25:58] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you need SXCE [17:26:01] <jbk> last time i looked at glibc, i was less than impressed [17:26:03] <codestr0m> you're kidding [17:26:14] <e^ipi> no, why? [17:26:20] <jbk> well [17:26:21] <codestr0m> I don't really think I should need an entire OS to compile ON.. [17:26:26] <jbk> you at least need the dvd [17:26:30] <jbk> or rather iso image [17:26:35] <e^ipi> plus some patches [17:26:36] <jbk> unfortunately [17:26:48] <e^ipi> that'll probably change sooner or later [17:26:49] <jbk> certain non-redistributable pieces are needed to build ON [17:26:55] <codestr0m> jbk.. ok. so I can just pull the iso.. mount it and pull whatever tools on on there.. I pulled onnv-gate [17:26:56] <e^ipi> when the non-redistrib repo is up [17:27:04] <jbk> yeah [17:27:06] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you'll also need some patches for the makefiles [17:27:11] <jbk> glynn setup a page [17:27:20] <e^ipi> /bin/sh == /usr/bin/ksh93 breaks some stuff [17:27:30] <e^ipi> $((this)) [17:27:36] <codestr0m> e^ipi: yeah. I was reading Makefile.master [17:27:50] <jbk> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/building_on/ [17:27:54] <e^ipi> if this != mathematical equation, ksh93 bails [17:28:18] <jbk> i think you also need to install a few extra packages available on pkg.opensolaris.org (perl xml modules) [17:28:32] <codestr0m> jbk: thanks **a lot** [17:28:53] <e^ipi> why you building ON, anyways? [17:29:04] <codestr0m> these really should be links from the ONNV project page [17:29:06] <e^ipi> bug wrangling? [17:29:58] <codestr0m> I'm curious what the hell is on "SUNWadmj SUNWwbapi SUNWwbdev SUNWjsnmp SUNWwbcou" [17:29:59] *** yongsun has quit IRC [17:30:11] <codestr0m> I'm also not trying to initially build the entire thing.. just parts of it [17:30:18] <e^ipi> why should their be links? indiana horkage is documented on the indiana site... almost everyone that works on ON uses SXCE [17:30:21] <codestr0m> I main circumvent all this and make custom Makefiles [17:31:00] <e^ipi> bldenv -d opensolaris.sh; cd usr/src/cmd/cat && make [17:31:03] <e^ipi> *shrug* [17:31:13] <e^ipi> works fine for me [17:31:23] <codestr0m> e^ipi: thanks for the observation, but *almost* isn't me currently.. the license for SXCE forbids developing on java [17:31:54] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [17:32:11] <e^ipi> no it doesn't [17:32:19] <e^ipi> that's ridiculous [17:32:28] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [17:32:32] <codestr0m> e^ipi: have you read it yourself.. there was a discussion about this in #openjdk yesterday [17:33:10] <codestr0m> e^ipi: join #openjdk on oftc :) [17:35:18] <e^ipi> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewLicense-Start;pgid=01RgaHqkAdxSR0EUQncsoQ3D0000WczPmiQZ;sid=jWiADzCErDmAB3hXSwzICt8stOHt-P3B2IpPzi2a17LExA== [17:35:25] <e^ipi> nothing even suggests that [17:35:51] *** wokolad has joined #opensolaris [17:36:17] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** Macabee_ has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** johannes has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** djgregor has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** ruse39 has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** timeless has quit IRC [17:36:18] *** SunTzuTech has quit IRC [17:37:19] <e^ipi> stupid dlc... [17:37:20] <e^ipi> http://pastebin.ca/1205907 [17:37:23] <e^ipi> there. [17:37:31] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris [17:37:37] <e^ipi> go read it... nothing says or suggests that you can't develop on java [17:37:44] <wokolad> i'm using oss sound.If I listen to a music in Opera through flash,and at the same time load another www page,sound get paused and slowed.If i use windows Opera & wine, it's ok with sound.Why? [17:38:12] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris [17:39:28] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [17:40:25] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:40:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:41:00] <e^ipi> wokolad: does it do the same thing on firefox? [17:41:16] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris [17:42:03] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [17:42:03] *** Macabee_ has joined #opensolaris [17:42:03] *** johannes has joined #opensolaris [17:42:03] *** SunTzuTech has joined #opensolaris [17:42:03] *** timeless has joined #opensolaris [17:42:08] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [17:42:10] *** Macabee_ has quit IRC [17:42:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [17:42:21] <codestr0m> e^ipi: pastebin .com/.ca are banned for me. can you pastie somewhere else.. I'll reference that to those who mentioned it yesterday [17:42:34] <wokolad> yes,firefox the same,but a bit better [17:42:46] *** srira2 has joined #opensolaris [17:42:49] *** Macabee has joined #opensolaris [17:43:40] *** SunTzuTech has quit IRC [17:44:25] <wokolad> and opera in wine is more stable than native opera [17:44:37] <wokolad> it is slower but more stable [17:45:21] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [17:46:39] <e^ipi> codestr0m: http://rafb.net/p/P6aRLZ33.html [17:46:55] <e^ipi> wokolad: sounds like a problem with opera, TBH [17:47:04] <e^ipi> or flash actually [17:47:12] <e^ipi> adobe doesn't love solaris much i'm afraid [17:47:13] <e^ipi> :( [17:47:47] *** johannes has quit IRC [17:48:22] <kohju> $B$=$NLt:^!#(B [17:48:25] <kohju> oops [17:48:28] <kohju> sorry. [17:49:44] *** fr4g has quit IRC [17:50:22] *** Auriel has quit IRC [17:52:08] <jbk> someone writing sendmail rulesets? :) [17:52:22] <ballChalk> hmmm solaris lofi cant start to offsetes within a file... ie: to skip to a particular partition [17:52:27] *** Erwann has quit IRC [17:52:40] <ballChalk> http://marc-abramowitz.com/archives/2006/12/27/loopback-mountina-specific-partition-in-a-disk-image-file/ [17:53:49] *** johannes has joined #opensolaris [17:56:43] <codestr0m> e^ipi: btw.. you violated the SXCE license by pastie it.. "Confidential Information" means: [...] and (v) the terms, conditions, and existence of this Agreement." [17:56:50] <codestr0m> I could be wrong though [17:57:20] *** z1nOnly has quit IRC [18:00:05] <e^ipi> no, it's talking about the non-redistrib packages within SXCE [18:00:06] *** carl- has quit IRC [18:00:50] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I think you should stick to being a dev ;) [18:01:04] <e^ipi> oh, what do you know [18:01:06] <e^ipi> *shrug* [18:01:21] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [18:01:25] <codestr0m> section 4 of http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/opensolaris_binary_license/ [18:01:33] <codestr0m> that's what they are saying contains the clause if you care [18:01:40] <_mary_kate_> the SXCE license also (still) prohibits production use, which is clearly not sun's intention [18:01:48] <e^ipi> the binary license applies to both SXCE and 2008.05 [18:01:51] <_mary_kate_> it's just the SX license, afaics [18:01:56] <codestr0m> yeah what do I know. you could be a lawyer for all I know ;) [18:02:35] <e^ipi> codestr0m: ___except under compatibility requirements available under a separate agreement available at www.java.net.____ [18:02:39] <e^ipi> so, yeah... [18:02:47] <e^ipi> it doesn't prohibit java development [18:03:10] <codestr0m> available at java.net.. is openjdk or icedtea6 at java.net? [18:03:41] <e^ipi> beats me [18:03:42] <codestr0m> and by prohibiting java development I meant hacking on things like cacao and icedtea [18:03:57] <codestr0m> ok. anyway.. thanks. [18:04:55] <e^ipi> IIRC, java.net doesn't prohibt you from changing java even in incompatible ways [18:05:00] <e^ipi> you just can't call it java anymore [18:05:21] <e^ipi> hence, openJDK, not openjava [18:06:33] *** alka has quit IRC [18:06:36] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [18:07:08] *** alka has joined #opensolaris [18:07:47] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [18:07:55] <evocallaghan> Hi [18:08:13] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [18:08:14] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [18:11:03] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [18:11:12] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [18:12:03] *** ksuburay has joined #Opensolaris [18:12:16] <ksuburay> Hi [18:12:34] <ksuburay> is ISCSI will support on VMware? [18:12:46] *** ken_ has quit IRC [18:13:10] <ksuburay> i was not able to able to do iscsi through VMware [18:13:37] *** chubs_ has joined #opensolaris [18:14:21] <jafari> anyone know of a open source reporting tool for ldap [18:15:22] *** chubs_ has quit IRC [18:15:46] *** chubs has joined #opensolaris [18:15:49] <ksuburay> could someone give me the location of the docs which dealt with configuring iscsi [18:16:25] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [18:16:37] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [18:18:29] *** __teo__ has joined #opensolaris [18:19:15] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [18:21:09] *** dunc has quit IRC [18:21:12] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [18:21:46] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [18:23:27] *** mutu has joined #Opensolaris [18:23:57] *** mutu has quit IRC [18:24:02] *** ksuburay has quit IRC [18:27:56] *** Naren has joined #Opensolaris [18:29:23] *** Naren has quit IRC [18:29:53] *** Naren has joined #Opensolaris [18:31:45] *** wokolad has quit IRC [18:31:52] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [18:32:03] *** calumb has quit IRC [18:33:40] *** Naren has left #Opensolaris [18:34:49] *** yarihm has quit IRC [18:42:22] *** chubs has quit IRC [18:46:06] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [18:46:59] *** tsoome has quit IRC [18:48:14] *** SunTzuTech has joined #opensolaris [18:52:19] *** alka has quit IRC [18:52:25] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [18:52:34] <evocallaghan> Hi [18:53:07] <evocallaghan> How does one go about finding the problem if one gets video driver artifacts? [18:58:07] <evocallaghan> brb [18:58:09] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [18:58:23] *** _PRESSY has joined #opensolaris [18:58:23] *** _PRESSY has quit IRC [18:58:46] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris [19:05:56] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [19:09:22] *** T_B_ has joined #opensolaris [19:10:12] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [19:20:35] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [19:20:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [19:21:40] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC [19:25:16] *** Auriel has joined #opensolaris [19:28:36] *** jfndi_ has quit IRC [19:31:54] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [19:32:37] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [19:32:45] <evocallaghan> back [19:37:28] *** alka has joined #opensolaris [19:39:30] *** luc^ has quit IRC [19:44:01] *** maxsap has joined #opensolaris [19:45:11] <_mary_kate_> i wonder why AVS for S10 costs money when it's integrated in SX for free [19:47:30] *** maxsap has quit IRC [19:49:12] <evocallaghan> AVS? [19:49:20] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [19:49:23] <_mary_kate_> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/avs/ [19:50:06] <cypromis> cause its a commercial platform ? [19:50:38] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [19:50:38] <_mary_kate_> what, and all the other free software for S10 isn't? ;) [19:51:10] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [19:55:36] <sickness> _mary_kate_: that's like asking why redhat enterprise costs money when centos is free (and both are open source :) [19:56:03] <_mary_kate_> i think it's more like asking why SJS Web Server is free and AVS isn't [19:56:22] <evocallaghan> Well you get StarOffice as well in SXCE [19:56:56] <bda> _mary_kate_: Or the rest of JES for that matter. [19:59:49] <cypromis> or Oracle [19:59:51] <cypromis> or SAP [20:00:04] <cypromis> or your work [20:00:12] <_mary_kate_> as those aren't Sun products, i'm not sure what the relevance is [20:02:11] *** Auriel is now known as Auriel[A] [20:02:53] <_mary_kate_> also, since it's integrated into nevada, it's going to be free for production when Solaris 11 is released [20:06:27] *** Auriel[A] is now known as Auriel [20:07:38] <SplasPood> When are new SXCE images usually pushed out [20:08:15] <bda> Every two weeks. [20:10:58] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris [20:16:05] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [20:17:49] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [20:19:32] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [20:19:48] *** sletz has joined #opensolaris [20:19:51] <sletz> hi, a question about atomic operations: atomic_add_XX operation retuns the old value "whether or not the replacement occurred.." is there a version to know if the CAS actually succeded?? [20:20:33] <sstallion_work> sletz: compare it to what you were trying to set [20:20:49] <sstallion_work> and you want atomic_cas [20:22:10] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [20:23:21] <sletz> hum, just thinking the API is stupid... why always return the old value? [20:23:44] <sletz> you usualy want to know if the operation succeded... [20:23:50] * sstallion_work sighs. [20:24:01] <sstallion_work> what does CAS do ? [20:24:15] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [20:24:18] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [20:24:30] <sstallion_work> i.e. how would you *ever* know the old value if you needed it if it returned back to you the same *exact* value you passed in ? [20:26:11] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [20:26:18] <sstallion_work> this is an atomic op... the idea is to do as little as possible within that unit of atomicity [20:26:46] <sstallion_work> if you don't like it, use a mutex [20:26:57] <sletz> see: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man3/OSAtomicCompareAndSwap32.3.html [20:26:59] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [20:27:36] <SplasPood> bda: yea but is there a specific time? Today, right? [20:27:41] <sletz> i *need* that for lock-free code [20:28:03] <oxygene> sletz: then do lock-free code. but that's usual semantic [20:28:09] <sstallion_work> sletz: you don't need the new value for lock free code. [20:28:51] *** RavenSlay31 has quit IRC [20:29:34] <_mary_kate_> sletz: i'm looking at atomic_add(3c), and it says it returns the new value [20:29:39] <sstallion_work> you know at the time of the cas operation whether or not the thing is going to be set [20:29:47] *** bhall has quit IRC [20:30:10] <sletz> _mary_kate_: the OSX version has a different semantic: retuen a bool [20:30:10] <_mary_kate_> also, those functions can't fail - they're wrappers around atomic_cas that handle the failure case for you (by retrying) [20:30:50] *** hudnix has joined #opensolaris [20:30:56] <_mary_kate_> sletz: okay... and? what's the problem? [20:31:11] <sletz> _mary_kate_: wrong they can fail as far as i understand [20:31:14] <sstallion_work> sletz: getting the old value back is a *copy* of the old value... do a comparision, what the hell is your hang up ? [20:31:18] <sletz> "The old value stored in target is returned by the function whether or not the replacement occurred." [20:31:18] <_mary_kate_> sletz: where in the manual page does it say that? [20:31:29] <sletz> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2243/atomic-cas-3c?l=en&a=view [20:31:36] <_mary_kate_> RETURN VALUES [20:31:36] <_mary_kate_> The *_nv() variants of these functions return the new value [20:31:36] <_mary_kate_> of target. [20:31:42] <_mary_kate_> that's atomic_cas, not atomic_add [20:31:47] <_mary_kate_> you asked about atomic_add [20:32:00] <_mary_kate_> atomic_cas can fail, of course; you test for that by comparing the old value it returned to what you expected the old value to be [20:32:13] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_++ [20:32:48] <sletz> old value is old value, i guess i need to read again the value and compare to the wanted new value... [20:32:59] <hudnix> Hi, guys, quick question: OpenSolaris+Samba+Ldap+Primary domain controller. any refererences that aren't more that 3 years old? Is anyone doing this? [20:33:26] <_mary_kate_> sletz: int want_old = *ptr; int actual_old = atomic_cas(ptr, want_old, swapval); if (want_old != actual_old) /* cas failed */ [20:33:42] <storycrafter> hudnix, OpenSolaris as PDC? [20:33:52] <hudnix> (also +zfs, but I can do that part myself) [20:33:57] <hudnix> storycrafter: yes. [20:34:10] <h3sp4wn> hudnix: Why not use the new smb server [20:34:31] <hudnix> There's a new smb server? [20:35:34] <h3sp4wn> There is a native one now [20:35:37] <ottom> sletz: where are you reading this "old value is returned" stuff? [20:36:03] <h3sp4wn> hudnix: Don't know what functionality it other than it can be a member server of an active directory [20:36:06] <_mary_kate_> ottom: he's looking at atomic_cas(3c), which does return the old value [20:36:28] <sletz> Description part [20:36:55] <ottom> ah, so nothing to do with atomic_add. Goo, I thought I was going (more) insane [20:37:03] <ottom> s/Goo/Good/ [20:37:09] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [20:37:20] <hudnix> I really want to set it up so all my user's SMB shares are zfs volumes, that's the driving force behind Solaris as PDC. I could set up a virtual linux as PDC and that would be acceptable, I just thought it would be easier to integrate it all together on one instance. [20:40:12] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [20:45:24] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [20:48:39] <evocallaghan> alanc:ping [20:49:20] <evocallaghan> alanc:Does Xorg 1.5 (beta) lie in here yet? hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/fox/fox-gate [20:49:57] <evocallaghan> Never mind, found it :p fox/fox-7-4-merge/ [20:59:02] *** tsoome has quit IRC [20:59:24] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [21:04:12] *** anilg has quit IRC [21:05:31] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [21:05:49] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [21:07:35] *** Vagrant has joined #opensolaris [21:07:46] <Vagrant> http://rafb.net/p/bCmtyY72.html [21:07:55] <Vagrant> hi, can anyone help me with rhis little problem? ;) [21:08:21] <e^ipi> i don't click random links. why not not be lazy, and ask your actual question [21:09:05] <Vagrant> i have a problem with ocmpile libgadu, there is 2 errors which i cant fix because i dont know how can i do it [21:09:11] <e^ipi> use gmake [21:09:30] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [21:10:18] *** neoxed_ has quit IRC [21:10:23] <Vagrant> cc: acomp failed for common.c [21:10:23] <Vagrant> gmake[2]: *** [libgadu_la-common.lo] Error 1 [21:10:23] <Vagrant> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/marcin/Pobrane/ekg-20080918/libgadu/src' [21:10:26] <Vagrant> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 [21:10:31] <Vagrant> still the same error [21:10:37] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [21:11:03] <e^ipi> broken ass shit open-source software... [21:11:09] <e^ipi> use gcc, see if that gets you any luck [21:11:21] <e^ipi> sometimes GCC lets undefined bad code fly [21:13:49] <e^ipi> studio is a bit more picky that you code correctly [21:15:51] <Vagrant> e^ipi: thanks for tips, ill try it when i come back later, thanks anyway ;) [21:24:35] <sommerfeld> e^ipi: probably a fairer way to put it is "differently picky". [21:33:45] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [21:34:06] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [21:38:16] *** __teo__ is now known as _teo_ [21:44:51] *** mib_xc5tel has joined #opensolaris [21:45:02] <mib_xc5tel> opensolaris has gnumeric? [21:45:14] <e^ipi> it has a compiler [21:45:58] <e^ipi> two, as a matter of fact [21:46:57] *** sletz has quit IRC [21:48:00] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [21:48:15] <evocallaghan> Does Studio support Ada ? [21:48:31] <smtms> no, only C, C++ and Fortran [21:48:51] <evocallaghan> Thought as much [21:50:20] <e^ipi> does anyone still use ada? [21:50:33] <mib_xc5tel> evil dwarves [21:52:01] *** wms has quit IRC [21:53:15] <mib_xc5tel> I installed ss-dev, but when I run configure for gnumeric is cmoplains about no compiler in my path [21:53:18] <mib_xc5tel> how should i add that? [21:55:13] <e^ipi> it's probably in /usr/SUNWspro/bin [21:55:20] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Many people, so I don't know what the miss informed comment is trying to say. [21:55:45] <e^ipi> that's Mrs. Informed-Smyth. [21:55:47] <e^ipi> she got married. [21:56:35] <e^ipi> it was more a comment on 'do enough people use it to make it worthwhile for the compiler team to support', to which the answer is 'no' [21:56:36] <mib_xc5tel> no /usr/SUNWspro dir... [21:56:49] <e^ipi> mib_xc5tel: i'm retarded. /opt/SUNWspro [21:56:55] <sommerfeld> ITYM /opt/SUNWsp.. right, there [21:57:20] <evocallaghan> gcc fully supports it so maybe that is why [21:57:50] <mib_xc5tel> now cc is the c ompiler? [21:57:58] <evocallaghan> examples such as the Cassini spacecraft uses Ada. [21:58:01] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: so what? gcc supports a whole host of langugaes that are rarely used [21:58:26] <e^ipi> objc for instance... outside the mac, you'd be hard pressed to find anything aside from someone playing that uses it [21:58:51] <evocallaghan> 747 fly by wire was done in Ada [21:59:17] <_mary_kate_> Studio actually did support objc, once, a long time ago... i'm not sure it was ever released to customers [21:59:20] <e^ipi> point being? [21:59:37] <e^ipi> people have written things in LOLCODE too [22:01:35] <evocallaghan> My point is, dont make comments such as 'oh who uses that any more' if you know little about it in the first place. [22:02:03] <mib_xc5tel> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool bugger, pkg install doesn't have this [22:02:13] <e^ipi> cpan might [22:02:20] <jbk> building ON? [22:02:25] <mib_xc5tel> ah MakeFile.pl stuff is coming back to me [22:02:35] <mib_xc5tel> trying to compile gnumeric [22:02:42] <mib_xc5tel> 2008.05 -- 97 [22:02:46] <mib_xc5tel> amd [22:02:50] <mib_xc5tel> amd64 [22:03:02] <e^ipi> why not just use openoffice, anyways? [22:05:22] <e^ipi> just curious [22:08:35] <mib_xc5tel> uh [22:08:41] <mib_xc5tel> I wrote some crap in gnumeric [22:08:50] <e^ipi> *shrug* fair enough [22:08:51] <mib_xc5tel> can oofc read gumeric files? [22:09:08] <mib_xc5tel> funny aprt if by now I coulda retyped the shit [22:09:09] <mib_xc5tel> lol [22:09:13] <e^ipi> i dunno, what kind of files does gnumeric spit out? [22:09:16] <mib_xc5tel> I do want to be able to compiel things tho [22:09:51] <mib_xc5tel> .gnumeric lol [22:10:02] <mib_xc5tel> damn ti I should picked .csv [22:10:04] <mib_xc5tel> comedy [22:10:18] <e^ipi> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=55780 [22:10:26] <e^ipi> or .xls :) [22:10:57] <mib_xc5tel> :) [22:11:03] <mib_xc5tel> checking for GTK... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to pkg-config. [22:11:15] <mib_xc5tel> any hint about pkg-config? [22:11:26] <e^ipi> PKG_CONFIG_PATH [22:11:46] <e^ipi> probably set it to include /usr/lib/pkgconfig [22:12:13] <e^ipi> as for the actual script itself, it's in /usr/bin here [22:12:33] <e^ipi> <-- SXCE [22:12:52] <h3sp4wn> thats the default you never to have that path in it - more likely its needs gtk1 from /usr/sfw/lib/pkgconfig [22:13:28] *** jafari has quit IRC [22:15:12] <mib_xc5tel> how do i do a recursive grep in opensolaris [22:15:13] <mib_xc5tel> ? [22:15:26] <mib_xc5tel> grep -r blah place would do it in linux [22:15:34] <_mary_kate_> find /path -exec grep ... {} + [22:15:50] <_mary_kate_> actually, not sure + works with grep [22:15:57] <_mary_kate_> no, it does [22:16:28] *** surlyjake has left #opensolaris [22:16:47] <h3sp4wn> mib_xc5tel: or just use ggrep if you want gnu options [22:20:23] <mib_xc5tel> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables GTK_CFLAGS and GTK_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details. [22:20:28] <mib_xc5tel> maybe this is easier option.. [22:21:24] <mib_xc5tel> oh pkg-config is in /usr/lib! [22:23:32] *** ken_ has joined #opensolaris [22:24:46] <mib_xc5tel> crap its a dir with all the gtk crap [22:25:17] <h3sp4wn> gtk is in in /usr/sfw - gtk2 is in /usr [22:26:24] *** alka has quit IRC [22:27:22] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris [22:28:13] <mib_xc5tel> ok I dont have pkg-config [22:28:16] <mib_xc5tel> installing now [22:28:19] <mib_xc5tel> copiling that is [22:28:49] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [22:29:45] *** Gast_397_ has joined #opensolaris [22:29:52] <Gast_397_> hi [22:30:27] *** Gast_397_ has quit IRC [22:32:01] <mib_xc5tel> # echo $PKG_CONFIG /usr/local/bin/pkg-config -bash-3.2# ls -lah /usr/local/bin/pkg-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 343K Sep 19 13:29 /usr/local/bin/pkg-config [22:32:09] <mib_xc5tel> damn itiit [22:41:23] <ocr> does anybody know of a decent guide to install an ubuntu domU on solaris? [22:41:53] <ocr> preferably CLI based [22:42:29] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [22:42:55] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris [22:43:00] <h3sp4wn> ocr: I was just looking at - http://grahame.angrygoats.net/moinmoin/Tips/Solaris_and_Ubuntu dunno if it still works or not though (and I have not as yet tried it) [22:43:38] <skullone> has anyone tried getting XBMC to work under opensolaris? [22:47:52] <ocr> h3sp4wn: looks like brandZ [22:48:05] <ocr> h3sp4wn: i was sortof implying xvm :) [22:48:24] <ocr> (domU) but i should have said so explicitly [22:49:07] *** NeZetiC has joined #opensolaris [22:49:18] *** houst0n- has joined #opensolaris [22:53:44] *** [jbasse] has joined #opensolaris [22:55:48] *** cypromis has quit IRC [22:56:45] *** sah-work has quit IRC [22:57:02] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris [22:59:14] <h3sp4wn> ocr: Once you have the image you can just boot it in xvm [23:00:06] *** jbasse has quit IRC [23:02:17] <ocr> aha [23:02:26] <ocr> well [23:03:21] <ocr> I wish to simply install an ubuntu domU.. and run it with xen ... sort of like a zone/container -- isn't there any simpler way than goig through brandz? [23:03:48] <ocr> i.e. i want a hvm :: linux-dev on my solaris server [23:04:07] <houst0n-> xen != brandz [23:04:36] <houst0n-> This should be a fairly straightforward, check out the xen page on os.org [23:05:48] <ocr> i know what brandz is... I simply want to install ubuntu as a domU on my solaris sxce b97 dom0 [23:06:18] *** Rotarye has joined #OpenSolaris [23:06:35] <houst0n-> ocr: type: virt-install [23:07:11] *** ali__bb has joined #opensolaris [23:08:34] <ocr> houst0n-: I HAVE. [23:08:47] <houst0n-> BLOCK CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE ME WANT TO HELP YOU. [23:08:52] <houst0n-> so fuck off. rtfm. laters. [23:08:52] <ocr> OK! :) [23:09:32] <ocr> well - "type: virt-install" is sort of patronizing, not really helpful [23:09:34] *** mega has quit IRC [23:10:01] *** Yorlik has quit IRC [23:10:03] <ocr> sorry, i see now you joined after my initial question [23:10:22] <ocr> but anyways - i am going to bed. good night. [23:10:54] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [23:20:04] <h3sp4wn> houst0n-: ubuntu with virt-install is not practical [23:20:23] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:21:15] *** ali_bb has quit IRC [23:22:04] *** Rotarye1 has quit IRC [23:22:47] *** Vagrant has quit IRC [23:23:12] *** stevel has quit IRC [23:23:16] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [23:23:20] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [23:23:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [23:25:37] <mib_xc5tel> wow [23:25:47] <mib_xc5tel> I have not had this much problem installing things [23:25:53] <mib_xc5tel> gnumeric is a real buggeer [23:26:22] *** derchris has quit IRC [23:31:43] <h3sp4wn> mib_xc5tel: Is it C or C++ [23:33:42] <mib_xc5tel> c [23:33:44] <mib_xc5tel> gtk [23:34:43] <mib_xc5tel> http://pastebin.ca/1206172 [23:34:44] *** stevel has quit IRC [23:34:46] <mib_xc5tel> here are my errors [23:34:54] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [23:34:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [23:35:03] <mib_xc5tel> I basically am close, I compiled the pkg-config [23:35:32] <mib_xc5tel> I exported the path t it into export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig [23:35:47] *** skillet has quit IRC [23:37:58] <h3sp4wn> mib_xc5tel: pkg-config should be in /usr/bin [23:38:15] <h3sp4wn> just get the package for it [23:38:52] *** jacobs1 has quit IRC [23:41:53] <mib_xc5tel> I did that already [23:42:26] <mib_xc5tel> I'm having trouble compiling gnumeric due to it not finding gtk lis. [23:42:29] <mib_xc5tel> libs [23:42:41] <mib_xc5tel> not sure how to set the variables./ [23:43:20] <mib_xc5tel> btw where the heck is calc? I installed openoffice [23:43:29] <mib_xc5tel> not sure howto start cacl [23:43:31] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [23:43:49] <h3sp4wn> export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/sfw/lib/pkgconfig [23:44:17] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris [23:45:05] <mib_xc5tel> h3sp4wn: i did that [23:45:12] <mib_xc5tel> pkg-config part is fine [23:45:15] <mib_xc5tel> it seems [23:50:06] *** NCommander has joined #opensolaris [23:54:51] <MindDrive> Okay, that was strange... just ran a 'zpool scrub' on a disk that had been damaged. Right before it finished the scrub, it was reporting 155 errors. Once it finished, though, it's now reporting 47 errors. This drive is a laptop hard drive, so no mirroring... was it actually able to fix some of the errors? [23:54:54] <h3sp4wn> mib_xc5tel: use http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/cbe/test [23:55:01] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris [23:55:28] *** NCommander has left #opensolaris [23:55:29] <sommerfeld> MindDrive: zfs mirrors all of its metadata (using what it calls "ditto blocks"). [23:55:32] *** NCommander has joined #opensolaris [23:55:47] <NCommander> I can only find compilers for amd64, where are the x86 ones? [23:55:56] <e^ipi> there is only x86 [23:56:13] <MindDrive> Knew about the metadata mirroring, just didn't realize it would be able to reconstruct damaged files. [23:56:14] <e^ipi> solaris makes no distinction between x86 and the 64-bit extensions to x86 [23:56:26] <e^ipi> MindDrive: there is a replicas property which you can set [23:56:40] <e^ipi> MindDrive: it uses more space, but you get all the healing goodness of ZFS [23:57:23] <MindDrive> The good news is I lost nothing important out of my home directory; the bad news is several of the unrepairable files were kernel modules, so I'll need to do a full reinstall, I think... might as well wait for my new hard drive at this point. [23:57:36] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [23:57:41] <MindDrive> Thanks, e^ipi, I will keep that in mind when I install on the new drive. [23:57:58] <MindDrive> (I'll have more space than I'll know what to do with, so bumping the property up won't be an issue.) [23:58:32] <mib_xc5tel> ok there h3sp4wn what is that? [23:59:07] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [23:59:18] <mib_xc5tel> desktop cbe?