[00:00:21] <snejk> ninjaslim, about deps and pkgs, look at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/svr4_packaging/package_companion/
[00:01:19] <sstallion_work> evening gents
[00:01:33] <ninjaslim> thanks
[00:01:34] <sstallion_work> gdamore: any chance I could pick your brain in exchange for some nicdrv testing? ;)
[00:01:57] <gdamore> maybe... on a call right now.
[00:02:23] <sstallion_work> np, i'll ask - just answer when you can
[00:04:25] <sponix> gdamore:  was just saying OSS (opensound.com) sound drivers would be a great addition to Solaris/OpenSolaris for the Desktop push, and for VirtualBox
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[00:04:45] <gdamore> i know that... i'll talk more about audio and OSS in about 5 mins.
[00:05:23] <sponix> sstallion_work:  speaking of, I have two Nics in this box now, and a 1TB HD on the way to backup my Media, so I should be ready for you to take another stab at my broken onboard NIC driver in about a week or two
[00:06:52] <sstallion_work> gdamore: I still can't find a reason for the RTL8029 to panic with a BERR. The address is 16-bit aligned (PCI IO space) and the offset is 0x10. If I write (ddi_put8) individually to 0x10 and 0x11 (which is not correct) the calls succeed. As soon as I isse a ddi_get16 to the same offset (0x10) a BERR is tossed out. This doesnt make sense; Masa's driver issues inw's without a single issue. My initialization is a little different, but every
[00:06:52] <sstallion_work> thing is set exactly like his when it comes time to write to the PIO reg. Any ideas?
[00:07:48] <sstallion_work> s/inw/outw/
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[00:08:31] <sstallion_work> sponix: ahh good. that was an nge wasnt it?
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[00:09:53] <sponix> sstallion_work:  yeah, that sounds right... Plan to upgrade this machine to 4G ram, have that 1TB to backup what is left of my media, and do an Install of SXCE or os200805 within the next couple weeks.
[00:10:06] <RavenSlay3r1> what is the "Sun Hardware" irc channel?
[00:10:08] <sponix> sstallion_work:  what one would you rather work with ?
[00:10:27] <sponix> RavenSlay3r1:  this and #solaris are it afaik
[00:10:39] <gdamore> sstallion: the hardware may not support a 16-bit write.  for IO space addresses are not guaranteed to be 16-bit accessible.
[00:11:21] <sstallion_work> gdamore: is there a way that I can probe for that? Looking at masa's impl, he attempts to try and read 16-bit first, and then falls back to 8-bit
[00:11:38] <gdamore> maybe.  probably not worth bothering about though.
[00:11:38] <RavenSlay3r1> Any one know what POST error code an Ultra-40 M2 should give once it is up and running OK?
[00:11:48] <RavenSlay3r1> One's giving me 'C0' the other 'D2'...
[00:11:59] <gdamore> i'd trust masa's code to get it right.
[00:12:15] <sstallion_work> *nod*
[00:12:32] <sponix> Well, I have to go chase the kids around, wish me luck
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[00:12:39] <smartboyathome> Anyone have any success getting Murrine SVN to compile on OpenSolaris 2008.11 pre?
[00:12:43] <sstallion_work> must be a detail I missed during initialization then... its odd. I'll install his driver tonite and see if it results in the same behavior
[00:12:46] <smartboyathome> I haven't been able to get it to compile
[00:13:20] <sstallion_work> if it does, how big of a deal would it be to have 8-bit PIO only ? performance probably won't be much worse since 16-bit PIO on the device only results in 8 bits worth of data anyway.
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[00:14:05] <gavin0> well hey now opensolaris developer edition is quite nice
[00:14:07] <gavin0> If I do say so meself
[00:14:25] <gavin0> the partitioning scheme is a bit woo naa but I suppose il have to get used to ZFS
[00:15:54] <RavenSlay3r1> there are no partitions in zfs :)
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[00:18:42] <gavin0> oh
[00:18:43] <gavin0> heh
[00:18:48] <gavin0> I just did a df -h
[00:18:49] <gavin0> hm
[00:18:53] <gavin0> whats econd root?
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[00:18:56] <gavin0> second
[00:19:23] <RavenSlay3r1> Is anyone else sitting in front of an Ultra 40?
[00:19:32] <RavenSlay3r1> gavin0 second root?
[00:19:33] <jmcp> ultra40m2?
[00:19:55] <RavenSlay3r1> jmcp i'm wondering what POST code the mobo should give when it IS working?
[00:20:13] <RavenSlay3r1> would be possible for u to peek through the glass and see what yours is giving?
[00:20:24] <gavin0> dev/dsk/c0d0s4         15G    15M    15G     1%    /second_root
[00:20:44] <jmcp> RavenSlay3r: "d2" (or "2p")
[00:20:56] <jmcp> gavin0: that's UFS, not ZFS
[00:21:06] <gavin0> oh crap
[00:21:16] <gavin0> Im using opensolaris dev edition
[00:21:21] <gavin0> do I not get zfs?
[00:21:23] <gavin0> bugger
[00:21:36] <_mary_kate_> gavin0: you mean solaris express developer edition?
[00:21:43] <gavin0> yes
[00:21:46] <gavin0> heh
[00:21:51] <_mary_kate_> that's obsolete, old and unmaintained
[00:21:55] <gavin0> !!
[00:21:59] <gavin0> really?
[00:22:02] <gavin0> crap!
[00:22:10] <gavin0> so er waht do i do to get opensolaris?
[00:22:11] <jmcp> yes
[00:22:13] <jmcp> waaaay old
[00:22:16] <gavin0> cmon
[00:22:19] <gavin0> ah crap
[00:22:20] <jmcp> pull down SXCE or OpenSolaris2008.05
[00:22:33] <_mary_kate_> gavin0: you want solaris express community edition (if you like Solaris 10 / SXDE), or OpenSolaris 2008.05 (if you think solaris should be more like linux)
[00:22:34] <RavenSlay3r1> jmcp: thanks!
[00:22:36] <jmcp> the last SXDE was based on build snv_79a
[00:22:39] <jmcp> we just closed build 99
[00:25:24] <gavin0> ok
[00:25:31] <gavin0> my coworker is burning me a dvd
[00:25:35] <gavin0> I think prety new
[00:25:39] <gavin0> not sure 9
[00:25:40] <gavin0> 99
[00:25:49] <gavin0> can I upgrade to 99 from soemthing earlier?
[00:25:50] <RavenSlay3r1> jmcp - I have two Ultra 40's and one possibly bad Quadro-1700.. When I swapped the video cards the one with the "bad" one changed (from d2) to C0...
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[00:26:43] <RavenSlay3r1> C0 = Try to boot with INT 19.
[00:26:43] <RavenSlay3r1> D2 = Unknown interrupt.
[00:26:43] <RavenSlay3r1> http://docs.sun.com/source/820-0123-13/ts.html#50638892_84069
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[00:27:31] <gavin0> is the sun java desktop nice?
[00:27:39] <gavin0> mybe Ill give it a go
[00:27:48] <gavin0> does it replace or run on xorg?
[00:27:52] <jmcp> it's gnome
[00:27:56] <jmcp> and it runs on top of Xorg
[00:28:07] <jmcp> "JDS" is  pretty much "gnome + Sun branding"
[00:28:12] <RavenSlay3r1> gavin0: in newer builds it is a highly polished GNOME and VERY nice
[00:28:15] <oxygene> replacing X is a venture that sun failed with already
[00:28:29] <gavin0> ah
[00:28:38] <gavin0> gnome redone in java?
[00:28:50] <jmcp> no
[00:28:50] <oxygene> no, just gnome
[00:28:52] <RavenSlay3r1> i have to say the window-decoration for OpenSolaris is my favorite one ever for any system
[00:28:54] <gavin0> I am running gnome on indiana now
[00:29:05] <jmcp> gavin0: the "J" in "JDS" is just _branding_
[00:29:14] <gavin0> but i knida want opensolaris for zfs
[00:29:22] <jbk> they just slapped 'java' on it to try to make it sound 'cool' :)
[00:29:27] <jmcp> gavin0: ZFS is in the kernel
[00:29:31] <gavin0> oh so it is gnome
[00:29:31] <gavin0> lol
[00:29:40] <gavin0> gtk
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[00:29:43] <jbk> they have a habit of doing that
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[00:30:39] <gavin0> where is the overall manual for opensolaris?
[00:31:25] <gavin0> is installing opensolaris pretty simple? any funny zfs stuff in the installer? i wont have a second box when i install so I dont wana hit a brick wall
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[00:32:28] <jmcp> gavin0: docs.sun.com
[00:32:38] <jmcp> opensolaris.com for osol200806
[00:32:41] <jmcp> 5,
[00:32:57] <jmcp> and if you pull down osol200805 from opensolaris.com, then there's a Getting Started guide on the desktop of the livecd
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[00:35:20] <gavin0> ok
[00:35:29] <gavin0> I really just need to install and get to firefox
[00:35:34] <gavin0> then Im home free
[00:35:39] <gavin0> dhcp for netowrk
[00:35:43] <gavin0> network-
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[00:36:14] <gavin0> anything suprising during the install?
[00:36:25] <gavin0> or is ti click click lcick
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[00:37:30] <gavin0> well
[00:37:32] <storycrafter> have you run the device detection wizard?
[00:37:42] <gavin0> no oop
[00:37:49] <gavin0> can i run it from indiana?
[00:37:55] <gavin0> I have an ati rage vidcard
[00:37:56] <storycrafter> might want to do that.  BEFORe you install
[00:38:07] <storycrafter> it will tell you (roughly) the state of supported hardware
[00:38:29] <storycrafter> or you can research that by by hand if you know chipsets/cards/etc
[00:39:11] <storycrafter> can be run from lots of things, i think.  windows/linux/indiana.  but don't quote me on it
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[00:39:42] <storycrafter> i've never run it myself, i just boot and pray
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[00:40:21] <jmcp> it's a java app
[00:40:24] <jmcp> it works quite nicely
[00:40:27] <gdamore> back now.  spnix are you still here?
[00:41:22] <gdamore> err... sponix?
[00:41:26] <gavin0> I think im guna boot n pray too
[00:41:29] <gavin0> lol
[00:41:33] <gavin0> YAH!!
[00:41:43] <storycrafter> good luck
[00:41:51] <gavin0> damn the d00d burning my dvd on his mac is fucking it up
[00:41:55] <gavin0> lol
[00:42:03] <gavin0> well at least im on the net with indiana
[00:42:34] <storycrafter> you booted livecd?
[00:42:53] <gdamore> well, the short story is, we're working on integration select portions of OSS technology with a complete rewrite of the Sun audio framework.  There will be a lot more detail later.  But 4Front's stuff isn't "production ready" for Solaris, so we can't just integrate it as is.
[00:43:05] <gdamore> folks who want more detail should contact me via e-mail.
[00:43:34] <gavin0> no i installed indian to my hd
[00:43:42] <gavin0> thinking it was the latest k00l,thing
[00:44:04] <gavin0> alsa?
[00:45:30] <gavin0> whats the diff between sxce adn opensoalris 2008.05?
[00:45:44] <jmcp> SXCE is everything including the kitchen sink
[00:46:23] <jmcp> osol200805 is more of a network-oriented thing with some differences in terms of re-distributable stuff
[00:46:29] <jmcp> I'm a bit hazy on it myself
[00:47:01] <storycrafter> indiana = an attempt at Solaris.Next.  sxce = solaris 11 as it used to be.  closed source and all
[00:47:09] <jbk> it's sxce - nonredistributable stuff + ips + snap upgrade
[00:47:26] <jbk> + caiman
[00:47:31] <gavin0> so for a beginner 2008.05 is NICE
[00:47:41] <gavin0> yeha?
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[00:48:08] <storycrafter> opinions vary
[00:48:17] <gavin0> and its 1 cd?
[00:48:20] <gavin0> I like 1 cd
[00:48:21] <gavin0> :)
[00:48:46] <jmcp> yes, 1 cd
[00:48:56] <gavin0> very cool off i got hen
[00:49:08] <gavin0> go then
[00:49:18] <gavin0> Ill come back crying when i blow somethign up
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[00:55:59] <TomJ> anyone know how I make the user called 'ftp' not be a guest user in ftpd?
[00:56:06] <TomJ> I just want it to be a regular account
[00:56:42] <TomJ> I've put:  realuser ftp   in ftpaccess  but they're still considerd a guest
[00:56:45] <TomJ> maybe it's hardcoded, not sure
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[01:06:13] <ajt> help
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[01:13:24] <sponix> gdamore:  I'm in and out... Basically, was just thinking out loud that Sun should Acquire OSS for sound drivers. Drivers one of the main things holding the Desktop adoption back..
[01:14:25] <gdamore> we have acquired a license to the OSS drivers.
[01:14:33] <gdamore> they are of "mixed" quality.
[01:15:04] <gdamore> but assuredly, some of the OSS technology, including some drivers, will be coming to a future Solaris release.
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[01:16:02] <sponix> Sweet, just thinking OSS has support for the VirtualBox audio hardware, but you currently have to install OSS inside of VirtualBox to make it work
[01:16:25] <sponix> Think with Sun owning VirtualBox now, their own OS's would be fairly "Out-of-Box" ;)
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[01:17:21] <domutaka> how to start graphical mode
[01:17:51] <domutaka> i am using opensolaris latest
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[01:18:31] <domutaka> anyone ?
[01:18:42] <gdamore> we'll fix that particular problem (virtualbox) soon...
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[01:21:26] <domutaka> how to start graphical mode
[01:21:41] <piwi> domutaka: pfexec svcadm enable gdm
[01:22:51] <domutaka> i typed the command  but gui isnt coming
[01:22:59] <piwi> http://www.mail-archive.com/opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg35527.html
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[01:36:59] <domutaka> i tried pfexec svcs -xv and found that svc:/network/dns/client is offline . how to enable it
[01:38:47] <domutaka> that's why gdm is also not running
[01:38:48] <jmcp> svcadm enable dns/client
[01:38:52] <ShadowHntr> spfexec svcadm enable dns/client
[01:38:57] <ShadowHntr> er
[01:38:58] <ShadowHntr> pfexec
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[01:39:47] <domutaka> where these services are located
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[01:41:53] <rsff> hello there anyone could tell if compiz is suported in x86_64
[01:42:01] <rsff> since i only mentions to x86
[01:42:07] <rsff> *see
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[01:42:40] <jmcp> rsff: yes, it is
[01:43:25] <NCommander> Is it possible to build ON itself from an OpenSolars (not SXCE)?
[01:43:30] <NCommander> ^installation
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[01:44:10] <rsff> just one more question about virtualization
[01:44:17] <rsff> is it well suported??
[01:44:25] <rsff> because i left freebsd to linux because
[01:44:29] <rsff> of the virtualization
[01:44:31] <rsff> problems
[01:44:39] <piwi> NCommander: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/building_on/
[01:45:23] <NCommander> Thanks
[01:45:30] <rsff> ive heard good things about virtualbox
[01:45:38] <NCommander> rsff: yeah, VirtualBox works fine on Solaris
[01:45:42] <rsff> but would like to hear some feedback from  you users...
[01:45:55] <NCommander> Well, what are your virtualization needs?
[01:46:10] <domutaka> ok now i have done a reboot and all my services are running but graphical display is not coming
[01:46:56] <rsff> well i need some virtual machines running nothing too demanding but with enough stability in mind and spedd being that two the major factors...
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[01:47:19] <rsff> nothing pro.. just curious user
[01:48:26] <rsff> but will try to do some malware analisys so i also would like to know if the sanboxing in virtualbox is okay
[01:48:34] <rsff> like i said i heard good things
[01:48:42] <domutaka>   graphical display is not coming
[01:48:48] <rsff> but i just would like to ear some feedback from you guys
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[01:49:22] <NCommander> Second question, is there a team working on writing an open replacement to i18n?
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[01:51:10] <piwi> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/emancipation/
[01:52:14] <rsff> and last question,(sorry about that ;P) can opensolaris really go speddy in terms of getting the juice os the latest cpu like core2quad xeon and stuff?
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[01:54:22] <NCommander> piwi: do you know if people from emancipation hang around here?
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[01:54:57] <piwi> NCommander: no idea, i'm just u dumb user ;)
[01:55:11] <NCommander> Well, I've reimplmeneted closed libs before without breaking ABI
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[01:55:24] <NCommander> (not fun, but quite doable if you have the header files)
[01:55:51] <piwi> maybe this helps: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/emancipation/leaders/
[01:56:24] <piwi> sstallion_work is online
[01:57:18] <NCommander> sstallion_work: I'd like to talk to you about emancipation project :-)
[01:57:21] <NCommander> Now I wait :-)
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[01:59:42] <jbk> NCommander: me, sstallion_work, and e^ipi
[02:01:29] <NCommander> jbk: I take it John doesn't use IRC?
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[02:01:46] <jbk> he's here more than i am
[02:02:00] <NCommander> oh
[02:02:08] * NCommander is somewhat new to the Solaris community ;-)
[02:02:27] <NCommander> I just happen to have done some work in the past reimplementing libraries without breaking the ABI
[02:02:31] <jbk> i've been offline for the past few days
[02:02:40] <jbk> drying off :)
[02:02:40] <NCommander> so I'd like to help liberate i18n if possible ;-)
[02:02:50] <NCommander> jbk: sounds like Rochester weather
[02:03:11] <jbk> which state? :)
[02:03:22] <NCommander> New York
[02:03:26] <jbk> ahh
[02:03:41] <NCommander> THat's a first, obviously you've been to a Rochester somewhere
[02:03:55] <jbk> well a number of my relatives lived in rochester, mn for many years
[02:04:15] <NCommander> Well, the joke is up here, that rochester is like a cult
[02:04:22] <NCommander> YOu can try to leave, but you always get drawn back in
[02:04:27] <jbk> but i just got power back last night
[02:04:33] <jbk> as well as running water
[02:04:35] <jbk> and internet
[02:04:41] <NCommander> wooo, running water and power
[02:04:45] <jbk> yeah
[02:05:16] <NCommander> Reimplementing i18n so libc builds looks straightforward enough. Reimplementing it so you have full i18n mojo however sounds like real "fun"
[02:05:26] <jbk> well just a lot of functions to implement
[02:05:36] <jbk> there's an hg repo up there
[02:05:44] <NCommander> I'm having issues checking it out :-/
[02:05:50] <jbk> it's mostly (or really all) been e^ipi
[02:05:53] <NCommander> Well, some of them are more straightforward than other
[02:06:11] <jbk> i'd talk to him next time he's around (probably later tonight or tomorrow)
[02:06:13] <NCommander> i.e., isalpha needs to return differently on different languages depending on the codepage/LANG/etc. variables
[02:06:21] <jbk> yeah
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[02:06:32] <NCommander> is he going for ABI compability?
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[02:07:20] <jbk> yeah
[02:07:27] <jbk> i did the sparc disassembler already
[02:07:48] * dclarke remembers that
[02:07:50] <NCommander> Ow
[02:08:09] <NCommander> I take it you can't look at the manpages to figure out what the proper API/ABI signature must be ;-)?
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[02:10:59] <gavino> opensolaris 2008.05 fully operational! oh ye yah
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[02:13:54] <jmcp> neat!
[02:14:18] * NCommander looks forward to a fully free opensolaris :-)
[02:14:34] <e^ipi> it is free
[02:14:42] <e^ipi> redistributably so
[02:14:52] <jmcp> I suspect NCommander means "free as in gplv2"
[02:15:22] <gavino> ah the fun of really big scale apps and teams fo engineers here at work
[02:15:28] <NCommander> Well, more free as in speach
[02:15:33] * NCommander has no issues with the CDDL
[02:15:34] <gavino> I discovered today we don't have a lsit of our own servers
[02:15:36] <gavino> LOL
[02:15:41] <NCommander> *speech
[02:15:51] <jbk> actually i think he means as in 'non driver bits of closed are gone'
[02:15:52] <gavino> opensolaris is k0l sofar
[02:15:55] <gavino> k00l
[02:15:59] <jbk> since he was asking about emancipation earlier
[02:16:03] <gavino> and i haven't even got to ZFS
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[02:16:25] <gavino> seesm pretty fastn zippy
[02:16:36] <gavino> how do I list my processor under oprnsolaris again?
[02:17:14] <gavino> cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ ah dmesg works
[02:17:56] <gavino> SunOS azathoth 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[02:18:01] <piwi> prtdiag
[02:18:03] <gavino> crap did i not get 64 bit
[02:18:07] <gavino> ?
[02:18:15] <e^ipi> isainfo
[02:18:30] <_mary_kate_> gavino: psrinfo -pv
[02:18:46] <gavino>  psrinfo -pv The physical processor has 1 virtual processor (0)   x86 (AuthenticAMD 20FF2 family 15 model 47 step 2 clock 2393 MHz) 	AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
[02:19:14] <gavino>  uname -a SunOS azathoth 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[02:19:28] <gavino> does that mean my opensolaris is only 32 bit?
[02:19:36] <gavino> i386
[02:19:39] <gavino> ga!!!
[02:19:47] <e^ipi> no, that means you have an x86 processor
[02:19:50] <comay> isainfo -k
[02:19:59] <e^ipi> if your machine supports the amd64 isa, isainfo will let you know
[02:20:16] <gavino>  isainfo -k  amd64
[02:20:19] <gavino> ah
[02:20:28] <gavino> it looks liek that shows amd64
[02:20:59] <gavino> what psr or isa stand for in those info commands?
[02:22:16] <jmcp> isa == instruction set architecture
[02:22:26] <jmcp> psrinfo is "ProceSsoRinfo"
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[02:28:49] <gavino> wow you are good
[02:28:58] <gavino> jmcp you must be a solris admin
[02:29:02] <gavino> solaris even
[02:30:45] <purserj> nah, he just dabbles
[02:32:21] <jmcp> :)
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[03:10:29] <piwi> just out of curiosity, is the guy on comment #6 in this bug http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3 trying to do some nasty things?
[03:11:05] <piwi> the jar prefix reminds me of some security problems with certain browsers
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[03:12:10] <piwi> compare to http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Cross-site-scripting-hole-in-Firefox--/news/98736
[03:12:23] <_mary_kate_> i wonder who decided that a bug tracker that only accepts single-word resolutions containing only capital letters was a good UI
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[03:17:00] <e^ipi> *yawn*
[03:17:14] <not-me-guv> zzz
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[03:47:28] <gavino> wow
[03:47:36] <gavino> sun thumpers ahve a lota disk storage
[03:47:47] <gavino> does ZFS automate makign the disks really fast?
[03:48:01] <_mary_kate_> no, having 48 disks makes them fast
[03:50:26] <e^ipi> no, having 48 spindles across 4 controllers makes them really fast
[03:50:29] <e^ipi> ZFS just helps
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[03:54:10] <gavino> they said 6 controller adn 8 disken
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[03:54:32] <gavino> wow I wonder if any hardware vendor has liek 16 controllers and 2 disks per controller
[03:54:39] <gavino> that sounds FHAT
[03:55:21] <gavino> whats a good cd writing tool available on opensolaris?
[03:55:25] <gavino> gui for the win
[03:55:39] <e^ipi> okay, 6 controllers then
[03:56:48] <e^ipi> cdrw(1)
[03:57:56] <gavino> whats a good command to run to install that nice package? :)
[03:58:12] <e^ipi> i dunno, do a full+oem install and it's there
[03:58:34] <gavino> oh im on 2008.05 now
[03:58:39] <gavino> lets see if its here
[03:58:49] <e^ipi> might be in the package repo
[03:58:51] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[03:58:55] <e^ipi> i use SXCE
[03:58:57] <gavino> oh I have it
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[04:02:10] <gavino> coolio
[04:02:25] <gavino> know the one liner to burn an iso to my cd writer?
[04:02:33] <gavino> done it lately?
[04:02:37] <e^ipi> yes
[04:02:43] <e^ipi> the one liner is "man cdrw"
[04:03:22] <e^ipi> sun has some of the best documentation in the world
[04:03:25] <e^ipi> ... use it ...
[04:05:04] <gavino> wait Im almost to the example bit
[04:05:12] <gavino> wait for it.....
[04:05:17] <gavino> wait for it................
[04:05:23] <e^ipi> don't really need the play-by play
[04:05:42] <jmcp> me neither
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[04:08:51] <gavino> sorry to be boorish
[04:09:20] * jmcp shrugs
[04:09:26] <jmcp> we assume certain things in this channel
[04:09:53] <e^ipi> like a grade 4 reading comprehension minimum ?
[04:09:56] <jmcp> (a) that you can read, (b) that you're curious enough to pay attention and learn, and (c) that you'll keep trolling to a minimum
[04:10:10] <jmcp> and that's not "you, specifically gavino" that's "you in general"
[04:10:58] <NCommander> hey e^ipi
[04:11:19] <gavino> k
[04:11:45] <PaulR_> anyone really familiar with Sun Cluster?
[04:11:52] <e^ipi> NCommander: howdy
[04:12:08] <NCommander> e^ipi: want help with the free libc-i18n :-)
[04:12:18] <e^ipi> cool
[04:12:38] <e^ipi> there's a symbol list. don't worry about i18n stuff, i'm only worried about POSIX/C locale at first
[04:12:53] <NCommander> e^ipi: I have some experience with reverse enginneering, and keeping the ABI intact
[04:13:00] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/emancipation/tasks/libc_i18n/i18n_symbols/
[04:13:05] <e^ipi> not going to be neccessary
[04:13:17] <NCommander> which part
[04:13:26] <NCommander> The ABI, or the reverse enginneering ;-)
[04:13:36] <e^ipi> reverse engineering
[04:13:57] <e^ipi> my initial plan was to swipe stuff from FreeBSD
[04:14:09] <e^ipi> that ended up being a convoluted mess and so i tossed it
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[04:14:36] <NCommander> e^ipi: OH, yeah. But I think we could do it while keeping the ABI
[04:14:56] <e^ipi> abi isn't going to break regardless
[04:15:15] <e^ipi> linker magic makes sure of that
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[04:34:21] <gavino> flash for opensolaris?
[04:34:41] <jmcp> yeah, it's there
[04:34:42] <jmcp> somewhere
[04:34:53] <jmcp> perhaps   pkg install flash   ?
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[04:36:21] <cchapman> try this http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
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[04:37:53] <cchapman> that work gavino?
[04:40:26] <gavino> cchapman: I grabbed it now how do I install it?
[04:41:16] <cchapman> i dont have opensolaris installed at the moment
[04:41:42] <gavino> I have th file but install instructions talk about libflashplayer.so
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[04:41:44] <gavino> lol
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[04:41:48] <gavino> I guess i can rename it
[04:41:51] <mgedisman> Hello people! =)
[04:41:56] <gavino> and slap it in the plugins dir
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[04:42:29] <jmcp> gavino:  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[04:42:33] <gavino> ah its a dir with that lib ok ok
[04:42:43] <sstallion> jmcp: ltns
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[04:43:40] <jmcp> sstallion: huh?
[04:43:52] <sstallion> jmcp: havent seen you around for a spell
[04:44:01] <jmcp> yeah, been rather busy
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[04:44:32] <sstallion> i know the feeling ;)
[04:44:45] <PaulR_> anyone using Parallels?
[04:44:55] <NCommander> PaulR_: I have, but not currently
[04:44:57] <jmcp> sstallion: stmsboot rewrite, arcmsr, itu utils .... then backports
[04:45:16] <sstallion> 10u6 ?
[04:45:38] <sstallion> PaulR_: problems?
[04:45:41] <jmcp> sstallion: gearing for u7
[04:45:56] <PaulR_> not really...I'm trying to setup Sun Cluster on my Mac through VMs :)
[04:45:57] <sstallion> jmcp: gotcha. anything interesting coming down the pipe?
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[04:46:20] <PaulR_> and I'd like to be able to use a quorum disk and VMWare won't let me
[04:46:22] <freetown> i appear to have shot myself in the foot when assigning the postgres role to my account...it appears i also removed the root role assigned to my account. Any ideas from here?
[04:46:47] <jmcp> sstallion: only making stmsboot not suck
[04:46:59] <sstallion> *nod*
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[04:47:25] <sstallion> meh, multipathing is a big beast
[04:47:30] <jmcp> yup
[04:47:51] <sstallion> you storage guys get all of the fun ;)
[04:48:39] <jmcp> :)
[04:48:43] <SunTzuTech> heya sstallion
[04:48:47] <sstallion> heya ben
[04:48:56] <jmcp> sstallion: 6673281 stmsboot needs more clues
[04:49:02] <SunTzuTech> what's new
[04:49:58] <sstallion> jmcp: yeesh. that one looks like it was a massive PITA
[04:50:14] <jmcp> yah
[04:50:23] <jmcp> search for "Redesign of stmsboot(1m)"
[04:50:24] <sstallion> SunTzuTech: not too much. still avoiding nicdrv testing for gdamore and dnet, working on a re-impl of the RTL8029AS
[04:51:18] <freetown> is there any way to recover root role?
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[04:51:58] <sstallion> jmcp: interesting ;)
[04:52:17] <sstallion> Although I like: "stmsboot is lost in a ZFS root world"
[04:53:27] <jmcp> sstallion: short and to the point :)
[04:53:38] <PaulR_> what are you guys using Open Solaris for?
[04:53:41] <PaulR_> not production right? :)
[04:53:56] <e^ipi> joyent uses it in prod
[04:53:56] <sstallion> PaulR_: there are a number of people who are
[04:54:07] <PaulR_> joyent is crap
[04:54:13] <sstallion> I've used SXCE as my primary workstation for 2+ years now
[04:54:14] <PaulR_> I *hate* them
[04:54:28] <PaulR_> and that's based on price :)
[04:54:39] <sstallion> we maintain build servers for nevada builds as well
[04:54:40] * sstallion shrugs
[04:54:41] <SunTzuTech> sstallion: wow. been a while since I heard anything about that.  not surprised...
[04:55:06] <sstallion> SunTzuTech: its been interesting. basically once the impl is done, it would be integrated to support virtualized devices.
[04:55:15] <PaulR_> is there an ETA for S11?
[04:55:23] <PaulR_> other then "when its done" ?
[04:55:37] <SunTzuTech> you mean, like before JAVA gets delisted?
[04:55:42] <PaulR_> haha
[04:55:44] <sstallion> at some point I need to set aside some time to finish up nicdrv testing; its been such a pain (16 hours * 4 permutations) that it just hasn't been a priority
[04:56:03] <SunTzuTech> you think I'm kidding?
[04:56:25] <PaulR_> they won't be listed
[04:56:29] <PaulR_> err
[04:56:31] <PaulR_> delisted
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[04:57:06] <dclarke> SunTzuTech : you figure the fiscal is *that* bad ?
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[04:57:23] <gavino> works fine
[04:57:25] <PaulR_> the whole economy is hurting now
[04:57:26] <gavino> that was ez
[04:57:26] <sstallion> jmcp: so when do you think I can get SATA MPIO support? ;)
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[04:57:31] <PaulR_> *obviously( :)
[04:57:49] <SunTzuTech> really. well, they're $1B below $7B which means that many of the mutuals can't hold their stock, which means another sell off is coming.  It's less than $2 pre-reverse split
[04:58:00] <gavino> darn i wonder why archlinux 64 had no package for flashplayer, its ez as pie to install from the flash site
[04:58:02] <gavino> heh
[04:58:31] <gavino> I think the government is stealing by buy bad debt of corps
[04:58:32] <gavino> sad
[04:58:34] <dclarke> there was a significant article in the Toronto Star today that essentially pointed to the USA being bankrupt and living on borrowed credit notes from China and other foreign investors .. the victim os exceedingly bad fiscal policy and no win wars
[04:58:37] <gavino> steal from taxpayers
[04:58:58] <gavino> dclarke: I man usa does produce a lot of stuff...
[04:59:02] <PaulR_> market cap is below 7B?
[04:59:07] <gavino> and we are technjically powerful
[04:59:08] <sstallion> dclarke: things have been interesting to say the least.
[04:59:09] <SunTzuTech> it's actually 5.87B
[04:59:20] <PaulR_> what is the market cap
[04:59:36] <gavino> but I will say this: USA has lost its focus on engineering and innovation, which are economics engines
[04:59:49] <dclarke> based on the currency swing I decided that today was a good day to dump US dollars and switch back to CDN or euro
[04:59:50] <PaulR_> Apple is innovating
[05:00:01] <PaulR_> so is Google
[05:00:07] <SunTzuTech> and that's just share price * outstanding shares. some wall street guys have told me when the stock was at $10, that it was valued (according to WS rules) about $5.25/share
[05:00:18] <gavino> I wish innovation would bring cheap condos to all
[05:00:26] <gavino> instead of sickeningly expensive condos for all
[05:00:34] <gavino> <--wants a condo
[05:00:37] <PaulR_> SunTzuTech:  market cap is $5.87B ?
[05:00:46] <SunTzuTech> heh. ask any europeans if they like cheap condos in the US...
[05:00:51] <SunTzuTech> PaulR_: yes
[05:01:02] <PaulR_> ouch
[05:01:06] <PaulR_> they got crushed lately too
[05:01:15] <SunTzuTech> gavino: after having lived in a european domicile
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[05:01:24] <gavino> well european dont make enuf after atxes to buy an ice cream cone so....
[05:01:45] <gavino> but ya got good health care!
[05:02:06] <gavino> heh
[05:02:07] <sstallion> gavino: apparently you've never been to the UK
[05:02:14] <gavino> I do hear internet si not so expensive there
[05:02:23] <gavino> nope never been
[05:02:29] <gavino> I love women with that accent too
[05:02:34] <SunTzuTech> yeah, but they apparently don't spend a bunch of extra money every month powering heat and cooling cause the folks I know who came to the US complain about how energy inefficeint US homes are, and how noisy they are
[05:03:18] <PaulR_> regarding JAVA/Stock...I wonder how much of Sun is still privately held
[05:03:25] <PaulR_> i.e. how much Sun actually owns of itself
[05:03:33] <PaulR_> because Sun has 2.2B in cash on hand
[05:03:48] <dclarke> PaulR_ : the people to watch are KKR with a 750M investment recently
[05:03:50] <PaulR_> so if someone bought up all the stock...they'd really be paying ~3B
[05:04:09] <SunTzuTech> and issued a $1B stock buy back, which means in the end, they have $1B in cash...
[05:04:16] <SunTzuTech> uh huh
[05:04:38] <dclarke> plus dumping $1B into MySQL
[05:04:39] <PaulR_> 6/30/08 balance sheet says 2.272B
[05:04:45] <SunTzuTech> dclarke: KKR took it in the shorts
[05:04:45] <dclarke> whic made no fiscal sense at all
[05:05:06] <dclarke> SunTzuTech: I still can not figure out what happened there
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[05:05:27] <SunTzuTech> course not. CEO only haev to read CEO magazine to do their jobs.  There's no accountability anymore
[05:05:28] <gavino> homes in europe are liek our guest houses
[05:05:51] <gavino> KKR is still around? weren't they active in the 80s?
[05:06:14] <gavino> postgresql is better I hear, yet most are moving to hadoop crap on cheap nodes
[05:06:17] <SunTzuTech> dclarke: I think it's clueless management trying to make JAVA a "player" without understanding the "fundamentals"
[05:06:29] * dclarke nods
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[05:06:38] <SunTzuTech> but you know I've complained about that for 5 years
[05:06:39] <PaulR_> well just looking...
[05:06:52] <PaulR_> they've been profitable now for 7 straight quarters
[05:06:58] * dclarke nods with eyes rolling
[05:07:32] <dclarke> PaulR_ : profit bought at the value of employee RIfs is hardly quality
[05:07:39] <SunTzuTech> PaulR_: ever see "Other Peoples Money"
[05:07:49] <PaulR_> I'm aware of the Rifs
[05:07:50] <gavino> so what should SUN do?
[05:07:59] <PaulR_> Sun needs to get rid of the garbage
[05:08:02] <gavino> why dont they open sparc and make it commodity like intel chip
[05:08:04] <PaulR_> i.e. most of their Software
[05:08:11] <gavino> and then make real chip price competition
[05:08:11] <e^ipi> gavino: sparc /is/ open.
[05:08:13] <SunTzuTech> fire the EMG, find someone who actually understands the business
[05:08:15] <sstallion> ehh
[05:08:15] <e^ipi> gavino: opensparc.net
[05:08:15] <dclarke> fundamentals : focus on the customer and what the market wants short term and long term
[05:08:18] <gavino> no kidding?
[05:08:19] <sstallion> sparc has always been open
[05:08:21] <e^ipi> gavino: it's GPL...
[05:08:26] <gavino> !
[05:08:31] <PaulR_> is the T2 open ?
[05:08:47] <gavino> so if risc is better chip why dont 100s fo china factory chrun them out?
[05:08:47] <dclarke> PaulR_ : yes
[05:09:00] <sstallion> gavino: because it isn't that simple
[05:09:09] <SunTzuTech> gavino: what he said
[05:09:11] <dclarke> gavino : they do... it is called PowerPC and ARM
[05:09:14] <PaulR_> so if the chips are open why isn't anyone else creating "their own" ?
[05:09:16] <gavino> is sparc fundamentallty harder to produce?
[05:09:20] <sstallion> and a risc chip isnt neccessarily "better" than a cisc chip
[05:09:21] <gavino> ARM is sparc?
[05:09:25] <gavino> ARm rokcs i hear
[05:09:37] * dclarke gasps
[05:09:41] <dclarke> never mind
[05:10:01] <gavino> cmon tell me the truth, how many errors have i made?
[05:10:11] <sstallion> dclarke: *shrug* its always been debatable... I prefer RISC personally, but I don't want to proclaim it as the best and start a holy war ;)
[05:10:25] <gavino> but about the economies of scale
[05:10:35] <gavino> doesnt sun want to be intel?
[05:10:36] <dclarke> sstallion : you know .. I agree
[05:10:38] <gavino> or amd?
[05:10:50] <SunTzuTech> gavino: have you seen AMD's fundamentals?
[05:10:52] <sstallion> theres nothing intel can push out that can compete with concurrent load on a T2
[05:10:58] <gavino> not recently
[05:11:03] <SunTzuTech> ugly
[05:11:03] <PaulR_> the T2 is an amazing chip
[05:11:06] <sstallion> but at the same time, sparc doesnt have the same performance on sequential loads
[05:11:08] <gavino> whats a t2?
[05:11:19] <PaulR_> 8 core, 8 threads per core
[05:11:21] <gavino> woa
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[05:11:38] <sstallion> gavino: it doesnt mean anything if you are running code which isnt parallelizable
[05:11:44] <SunTzuTech> 8 FPU's/Core.  T1 chip had 1 FPU for 8 cores
[05:11:44] <gavino> how hard is ti to come up with concurrent programs?
[05:11:50] <sstallion> gavino: its difficult
[05:11:56] <gavino> heh
[05:12:00] <gavino> ah hah!!
[05:12:03] <dclarke> yep .. single threaded code is everywhere and it is non-trivial to get around that
[05:12:12] <gavino> but if i learn to program concurretn apps i can make some serious $$?
[05:12:13] <e^ipi> dclarke: do what ruby does
[05:12:15] <PaulR_> yea but aren't DB's multithreaded?
[05:12:16] <dclarke> heck .. some jobs just can not be made parallel
[05:12:22] <e^ipi> dclarke: run a whole lot of instances all at once
[05:12:28] <sstallion> multithreaded does not mean scalable
[05:12:28] <SunTzuTech> threaded apps aren't that hard, and concurrent loads like web page renderings, some app-server and some database stuff can be very concurrent
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[05:12:44] <gavino> aolserver is multithreaded
[05:12:58] <gavino> java is multithreaded
[05:13:00] <SunTzuTech> sstallion: you wanna make a threaded app run well, give your developers slow machines
[05:13:02] <sstallion> you can have as many threads as you want, but if they all vie for the same resources, it does not good to constantly context switch on and off different cores
[05:13:07] <sstallion> SunTzuTech++
[05:13:08] <gavino> not sure if javasystem webserver is tho
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[05:13:20] * dclarke pats his SparcStation 20
[05:13:21] <gavino> slow machines?
[05:13:24] <gavino> why
[05:13:33] <sstallion> gavino: because it makes you think about what you are doing
[05:13:50] <SunTzuTech> yeah.  because programmers are lazy, are typically not interested in performance, or tuning for performance
[05:13:55] <gavino> oh oh resources are restricted, kinda like using a shot put thats heavier than the olympic model
[05:13:59] <dclarke> force the programemr to think about algorithms .. a bubble sort is just wrong for 3000 items but people do it on fast boxes because they don't care
[05:14:16] <sstallion> or don't know any better ;)
[05:14:16] <SunTzuTech> giving them slow machines makes them have to work to get performance
[05:14:21] <gavino> what is a good place to learn good known algorithms?
[05:14:26] <sstallion> when was the last time you unrolled a loop by hand? ;)
[05:14:29] <gavino> knuth book?
[05:14:32] <PaulR_> I wish Sun broke down their business units profitability
[05:14:41] <sstallion> I keep a print out of the Duff's Device email by my desk to remind me of that...
[05:14:41] <dclarke> just say no to Knuth
[05:14:45] <SunTzuTech> that's not in teh 10k?
[05:14:46] <dclarke> just say no to C++
[05:14:57] <gavino> forth?
[05:15:00] <e^ipi> sedgewick.
[05:15:01] <gavino> oh by the way
[05:15:03] <sstallion> knuth was *way* pre-c++
[05:15:11] <gavino> how do I find a forth package for  solaris?
[05:15:14] <e^ipi> "algorithms in C"
[05:15:27] <SunTzuTech> gavino: did you try google?
[05:15:33] <gavino> I heard of it
[05:15:36] <gavino> har har
[05:15:40] * dclarke wonders how he gets dragged into this
[05:15:56] <SunTzuTech> the same way you get dragged into everything else. proximity
[05:16:00] <e^ipi> dclarke: because you hate yourself?
[05:16:15] <dclarke> oh yeah .. thanks .. I needed that
[05:16:25] <SunTzuTech> be nice e^ipi
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[05:17:33] <dclarke> like .. why do I still benchmark stuff on a 60MHz SparcStation 20 : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/mpfr_speed.txt
[05:17:45] <sstallion> heh
[05:17:50] <gavino> because you can
[05:18:02] <dclarke> I guess
[05:18:08] <sstallion> I didnt realize they had 60mhz chips... thought it was 55 and 70
[05:18:16] * sstallion had a couple of 70's back in the day
[05:18:34] <dclarke> I wrote a bit of code that kicks out digis of pi from the gmp and mpfr libs and I wanted to test it .. so .. I tossed it onto a Sparc 20 and an AMD Opteron .. jsut to see what happens
[05:18:36] <gavino> wow
[05:18:44] <gavino> helforth works out of the box on solaris
[05:18:45] <gavino> heh
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[05:19:41] <dclarke> Question : what is a really nice looking and easy to follow Solaris installation book worth to a new user ?  About $50 ?
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[05:20:04] <gavino> http://maschenwerk.de/HelFORTH/
[05:20:13] <gavino> this guy is bad ass
[05:20:20] <gavino> same binary run on opensolaris and linux
[05:20:22] <gavino> ROKCIN
[05:20:25] <gavino> night all
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[05:21:24] <dclarke> seriosly .. I'm in a good position to kick out a 200 page Solaris installation book all in full colour with piles of screenshots and stuff .. but is it worth $50 .. I don't know
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[05:22:03] <PaulR_> a guide to install Solaris?
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[05:22:19] <dclarke> yeah
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[05:22:45] <PaulR_> it would be good for someone that doens't know anything about installing UNIX I guess
[05:22:48] <dclarke> this thing greatly expanded : http://www.blastwave.org/docs/s10u3_howto.html
[05:22:51] <PaulR_> its not really that hard :)
[05:23:04] <jrsharp> anyone running postfix on os?
[05:23:15] <e^ipi> i dunno that it'd be worth $50 though
[05:23:27] <dclarke> PaulR_ : well .. try to explain useradd or vi to a newbie : http://www.blastwave.org/docs/step-138.html
[05:23:40] <e^ipi> considering 'solaris internals' is probably a good bit thicker than that and is actually a good reference... and costs ~ $60
[05:23:48] <jtmuzix> what is the best method for spreading out disk IO via veritas?
[05:23:55] <dclarke> e^ipi : the cost of printing is up at $42 a book .. with 100 books .. that is the issue
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[05:24:13] <dclarke> e^ipi : that is not for newbies
[05:24:14] <PaulR_> dclarke:  sell PDFS
[05:24:17] <PaulR_> PDFs
[05:24:22] <e^ipi> lovely, it's still not worth $50
[05:24:30] <sstallion> ugh
[05:24:34] <dclarke> PaulR_ : PDFs you seel once and then they are on the internet everywhere
[05:24:36] <sstallion> acroread is just f'n slow
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[05:24:47] <dclarke> e^ipi : okay .. it ain't worth doing then
[05:24:55] <e^ipi> probably not, no
[05:25:01] <PaulR_> well you can't stop that
[05:25:02] <e^ipi> you might be able to find a publisher though
[05:25:11] <e^ipi> that'd make it worthwhile
[05:25:15] <e^ipi> they've got economy of scale
[05:25:24] <dclarke> e^ipi : already started that process .. they are vultures
[05:25:32] <e^ipi> yep, more or less
[05:25:47] <dclarke> again .. it is a tough call .. either way
[05:26:01] <sstallion> SunTzuTech: any chance you have some rtl8029's squirreled away in a hole somewhere?
[05:26:05] <sstallion> (pci)
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[05:26:13] <dclarke> I can tell you this .. O'Reilly won't even return a call on the topic ..
[05:26:34] <PaulR_> you should write a book on Sun's virtualization
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[05:27:09] <dclarke> PaulR_ : that was included in this book .. Solaris Containers etc
[05:27:44] * dclarke looks around for Realtek RTL8029 nics
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[05:29:10] <sstallion> dclarke: if you have one that is an RTL8029AS that would be *really* nice
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[05:29:21] <PaulR_> does IBM/HP have an comparable technology to ZFS, LDOM, Containers, etc?
[05:29:24] <PaulR_> an/any
[05:29:28] <dclarke> well ... I just found RTL81105C
[05:29:33] <dclarke> still looking
[05:32:00] <sstallion> PaulR_: well, you could say IBM birthed alot of those technologies
[05:32:03] <sstallion> i.e. LPARs
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[05:35:33] <jamesd> ldoms are based on lpars,  aix has  lvm which is pretty damm sweet and is at least 5 years old, so what it misses in features it gains in longetivity and stiability.
[05:36:44] <PaulR_> so why use Solaris at all anymore?  is the feeling its dying or growing?
[05:38:33] <jamesd> hmm... all the featues you just mentioned show that its living...   and is changing the way things are done in unix
[05:39:25] <jamesd> AIX is not free, so as sweet as it is, you have to open up your wallet to pay for it, AIX also runs only on 2 types of machines both made by IBM, not exactly a diverse platform... and IBM is not cheap
[05:39:33] <PaulR_> I've personally used IBM and HP hardware...I like the Sun gear better
[05:39:45] <PaulR_> regarding their lower end servers at least
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[05:40:34] <jamesd>  i have recently started managing IBM pseries boxes they are quite nice, but solaris has it strong points and dtrace and ZFS to name a few
[05:40:36] <jrsharp> can I install a SVR4 package on opensolaris without making it an ips package?
[05:40:39] <PaulR_> I'm doing a lot of reading because its shocking their market cap is so low
[05:41:52] <jrsharp> PaulR_: we're migrating from linux to solaris...
[05:42:01] <PaulR_> why?
[05:42:13] <jrsharp> because solaris is sexy ;)
[05:42:18] <PaulR_> :)
[05:42:46] <jrsharp> we're doing a lot of Java dev, so it's a nice, happy Sun ecosystem
[05:42:51] <dclarke> sexy like a pick up truck or sexy like a Ferrari ?
[05:43:03] <jrsharp> hmm... both? ;)
[05:43:34] <dclarke> fine .. Porsche GT3 .. German engineering and great aerodynamics with a mid level price
[05:44:27] <jrsharp> now, to be honest, we're actually using opensolaris, given that it has the sexiest stuff, not yet in Sol10
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[05:46:21] <cchapman_> here is a noob ?
[05:46:37] <cchapman_> is opensolaris as robust on x86 as it is on sparc?
[05:47:07] <freetown> depends on your x86 hardware
[05:47:42] <cchapman_> hp proliant server?
[05:48:21] <freetown> HELP! Can you recover root role once it has been 'lost' by following a stupid command on http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/postgresql_opensolaris.jsp
[05:49:18] <freetown> cchapman_: well, they are stable enough even with Windows so I'd say opensolaris would be robust. OpenSolaris is plenty stable for me on a whitebox.
[05:50:38] <cchapman_> freetown: i have one running VMWare ESX and it doesnt skip a beat.....
[05:52:04] <freetown> 'up 132 day(s)' from uptime on the whitebox running opensolaris and samba and serving 300+ users with just two sata disks (system on another disk)
[05:52:14] <jamesd> freetown, do you have root shell open?  do you have sudo configured?  esle time to boot a cdrom...
[05:52:15] <freetown> sata disks in zfs mirror.
[05:52:50] <freetown> jamesd, aw man. I hope that root shell at home is still there...and if I boot a cdrom...chroot?
[05:53:12] <freetown> you can do sudo on a role account?
[05:53:33] <jamesd> freetown, boot cdrom, mount   c0t0d0  and edit the file where roles are stored...  or chroot, not sure which is easier.
[05:54:22] <jamesd> freetown, not sure.. but perhaps sudo can over come it, never really did much wirth roles except for create a role to manage a zfs filesystem
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[05:54:37] <freetown> and somebody better either add a warning to that 'usermod -P "Postgres Administration" -R postgres zdenek' command on http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/postgresql_opensolaris.jsp...not everyone of us Linux admins moving over will understand that -R replaces all roles
[05:55:35] <e^ipi> they should read the manual pages before they fuck with things then, shouldn't they?
[05:55:41] <freetown> jamesd mount c0t0d0? you're kidding me right? indy installs a zfs root system...
[05:56:10] <jamesd> freetown, i don't consider it stable enough to use... so i haven't .. SXCE for me
[05:57:13] <freetown> e^ipi: right...i guess there is no add role to account command and so all we have is a replace all roles on account command and tough if you did not read man page or remember that.
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[05:58:24] <freetown> i am sorry but i don't quite buy that.
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[06:00:29] <e^ipi> file an RFE, i'm not saying it's necessarily the correct way to do it
[06:00:43] <e^ipi> but running arbitrary commands without understanding them is a good way to break things on any system
[06:00:52] <freetown> well, your language did not help on that point.
[06:01:35] <SunTzuTech> sstallion: nope. no 8029's. but I bet you can find them cheap on craigs list or ebay..
[06:01:36] <freetown> e^ipi: yeah...gotta read up on RBAC, gotta read up on RBAC
[06:01:46] <sstallion> SunTzuTech: *nod*
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[06:03:34] <freetown> jamesd heh...and there were chums shouting about how they cannot trust the chaps behind the repos of whatever linux distros
[06:04:33] <freetown> but hey, opensolaris rocks either way. Now for a RFE on a 'add role to account' command
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[06:43:35] <jbk> evening
[06:44:14] <jmcp> hiya
[06:45:25] <jbk> well first day of work in a week tomorrow..
[06:45:30] <jbk> was nice having the time off
[06:45:50] <jbk> well maybe not sat or sun, but the past 3 days
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[06:47:07] <jmcp> sstallion: re your question on SATA MPxIO, a colleague of mine is working on it, and is  |><| this close to delivering. Dunno when it's going to get integrated though
[06:47:25] <sstallion> oh nice!
[06:47:41] <sstallion> speaking of which, what is the general status of ATAPI on SATA? Is ahci still the only implementer?
[06:47:52] <jmcp> ummm, I think that's true
[06:47:55] <sstallion> I've been biding my time before tackling SATA tape support ;)
[06:48:00] <sstallion> damn
[06:48:05] <jmcp> Ying is working on that
[06:48:13] <sstallion> oh yeah ?
[06:48:17] <jmcp> yeah
[06:48:35] <sstallion> good! I have a giant backlog of networking stuff to do ;)
[06:48:38] <jmcp> :)
[06:48:48] <jmcp> I'll see if I can find out how she's going with it
[06:49:05] <sstallion> I have a quantum here collecting dust I'd be more than happy to fire up for testing
[06:49:21] <sstallion> (and datasheets if she needs them; I had to request them from quantum directly)
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[06:49:28] <jmcp> oh, rgith
[06:49:30] <jmcp> right
[06:49:35] <jmcp> I'll mention that to her directly
[06:49:49] <jmcp> what model, btw?
[06:49:54] <sstallion> let me check
[06:50:03] <sstallion> DLT-V4
[06:50:09] <jmcp> ta
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[06:51:09] <sstallion> heh, minor victory tonight... finally was able to read the SA prom of the rtl8029. that f'n chip has more potholes than dnet
[06:51:20] <jmcp> excellent!
[06:51:34] <jmcp> do you want to help Masa hack 88e8040 support into myk?
[06:51:52] <the_unmaker> using forth? Im not that good yet
[06:51:54] <sstallion> possibly, I know for sure I don't have one of those onhand
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[06:52:07] <sstallion> the_unmaker: ?
[06:52:40] <the_unmaker> I heard drivers are very simple in forth
[06:52:45] <jmcp> sstallion: I've got one in the Dell XPSm1530 sitting next to me
[06:52:58] <sstallion> 10g ?
[06:53:04] * sstallion looks up the chipset
[06:53:32] <jmcp> nah :(
[06:53:33] <sstallion> ahh yukon2... 1g then
[06:53:51] <jmcp> 100mbit
[06:53:58] <sstallion> is it ?
[06:54:23] <jmcp> lspci gives me  09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12)
[06:54:29] <sstallion> I'm surprised, I would have thought to be at least a gig-e controller
[06:54:36] <jmcp> I thought so too
[06:54:44] <sstallion> 100mbit pci-e... what a waste
[06:54:53] <jmcp> so either pciids.sourceforget is lying, or something
[06:55:02] <sstallion> whats the vendid and devid ?
[06:55:09] <sstallion> venid rather
[06:55:36] <jmcp> pciex11ab,4354.1028.22e.12
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[06:55:52] <jmcp> lemme just see what doze says it is
[06:57:47] <jmcp> sstallion: re sata tape support - want a binary or two?
[06:57:56] <sstallion> s10 friendly ?
[06:57:59] <jmcp> oh
[06:58:03] <jmcp> not yet I don't think
[06:58:19] <sstallion> sure... I have an amd64 SXCE install; its not used often, but I'm definitely curious
[06:58:20] <the_unmaker> 2008.05 rocks
[06:58:23] <the_unmaker> rrroks
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[06:58:37] <sstallion> the machine the drive will eventually life in is a 10u5 box
[06:58:50] <sstallion> s/life/live/
[07:01:04] <the_unmaker> work has so many gigs of ram and terabytes of space
[07:01:14] <the_unmaker> I think the failure is in efficient programming
[07:01:31] <jmcp> sstallion: not sure whether the project is on the backport list for an S10 Update
[07:01:42] <jmcp> sstallion: doze is reporting "fast ethernet" :(
[07:01:55] <sstallion> bummer x 2
[07:02:17] <jmcp> yeah
[07:02:57] <sstallion> I could probably help out, but at this point I need to get dnet testing done for putback and then re in a state so others can test
[07:03:14] <sstallion> once those are done I can help masa with myk or anything else that might come up
[07:03:28] <sstallion> cge has stalled a bit; jbk has been busy on other bits too
[07:03:55] <jmcp> righto
[07:03:58] <jbk> well i need to finish up the prototype for the lld stuff & start soliciting comments on how to integrate it
[07:04:04] <sstallion> there he is ;)
[07:04:19] <jbk> yeah, sleep schedule is still a bit off
[07:04:39] <the_unmaker> computer?
[07:04:42] <the_unmaker> sleep schedule off?
[07:04:44] <the_unmaker> nooooo
[07:05:08] <sstallion> jbk: minor victory tonight; reading a 32 byte prom using 8 bit PIO on a 16-bit device sitting on a 32-bit bus.
[07:05:19] <jmcp> jbk: lld?
[07:05:25] <jbk> link layer discovery stuff
[07:05:26] <sstallion> link layer discovery
[07:05:42] <jbk> mostly, do i add it as dladm subcommands or as it's own command
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[07:05:50] <jmcp> oh, right
[07:05:56] <jbk> then documenting all the stuff
[07:05:59] <sstallion> meh as much focus as has been on dladm lately, I don't see why not
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[07:06:06] <sstallion> you could always suggest nwam :D
[07:06:10] <jmcp> heh
[07:06:30] <jbk> well there was the mention of a concern about it getting too bloated (or rather too many subcommands)
[07:06:41] <sstallion> true
[07:06:48] <sstallion> especially when you work in other modules (i.e. cdp)
[07:08:12] <sstallion> did you ever find an lldp device to test with ?
[07:08:18] <jbk> not yet
[07:08:27] <jbk> but found someone who does
[07:08:34] <sstallion> oh nice
[07:08:36] <sstallion> catalyst?
[07:08:51] <jbk> not sure offhand
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[07:10:16] <jbk> oh btw, i just remembered you mentioned you have relatives around baytown, did they fare ok?
[07:10:28] <sstallion> as far as I know
[07:10:33] <sstallion> I havent heard anything bubble up yet
[07:10:45] <jbk> that's a good sign hopefully
[07:10:46] <sstallion> I think everyone in lake charles made it out okay
[07:10:48] <sstallion> *nod*
[07:11:01] <sstallion> got some family closer to cameron also
[07:11:09] <sstallion> man
[07:12:19] <sstallion> this kind of crap really makes my skin crawl: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.5/drivers/net/ne2k-pci.c#L291
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[07:16:49] <e^ipi> this surprises you from the linux crew somehow?
[07:17:32] <the_unmaker> sstallion: uh whats wrong is that a bad driver?
[07:17:37] <sstallion> heh, not in the slightest
[07:17:46] <sstallion> the_unmaker: the code is garbage; they are trying to be cute
[07:18:08] <the_unmaker> cute like by saying funny things or cute by doing bad programming idioms or?
[07:18:24] <sstallion> a bit of column a, a lot of column b
[07:19:18] <e^ipi> linux is more or less synonymous with "works by accident"
[07:19:43] <sstallion> i mean *really* silly crap like initializing a struct and then writing it byte-by-byte across PIO
[07:19:56] <sstallion> if you arent careful you will *really* screw things up
[07:21:51] <sstallion> rofl
[07:21:54] <sstallion> I love this: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.5/drivers/net/ne2k-pci.c#L578
[07:22:23] <jbk> 'this doesn't work either'
[07:22:35] * sartek sends the professionals to bugs.opensolaris.org to fix some bugs
[07:22:52] <e^ipi> why don't /you/ fix them, and i'll sponsor your putback?
[07:23:09] <sstallion> heh
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[07:23:36] <sstallion> e^ipi: how long will you be working the sponsors list ?
[07:23:52] <e^ipi> my employment expires in april
[07:24:00] <sartek> you are pros not me
[07:24:09] <e^ipi> hopefully i'll be able to work out a more permanent arrangement before then
[07:24:17] <sstallion> *nod*
[07:24:19] <e^ipi> so, essentially until other things come up
[07:24:32] <sstallion> think you might get a permanent home at sun ?
[07:24:43] <e^ipi> i have absolutely no idea
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[07:27:10] <the_unmaker> sun fun!
[07:27:33] <e^ipi> sartek: if you have a specific bug that's annoying you pipe up
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[07:32:20] <sstallion> oh well, time for bed
[07:32:21] <sstallion> night all
[07:32:22] * sstallion &
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[07:37:17] <the_unmaker> :)
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[07:43:27] <sartek> if it can be on defect. : http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3402
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[07:45:11] <e^ipi> i know nothing of libgtop, i was expecting an ON bug, not a gnome bug
[07:46:18] <e^ipi> you should probably file that with the gnome people, as it is their bug
[07:46:40] <sartek> i thought so .. that's why i asked if it can be there... fortunately i've no issues there
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[07:49:21] <sartek> nope.. it's henry zhang's .. i talked with him, just filed there to track it
[07:49:53] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[07:50:15] <e^ipi> i'd probably toss it upstream, since ON is working fine in that scenario, it's GNOME that's failing
[07:50:55] <e^ipi> ( naturally if I were on the GNOME team i'd probably fix it and toss the patches upstream )
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[07:52:12] <the_unmaker> iceWM is nice wm
[07:52:14] <the_unmaker> ;)
[07:52:26] <e^ipi> i'm a fan of flux myself
[07:52:31] <e^ipi> but whatever floats your tomato
[07:52:39] <sartek> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548095
[07:53:11] <sartek> but it's more complicated tho
[07:53:16] <the_unmaker> why do people buy tons of pizza boxes?
[07:53:26] <the_unmaker> instead of 1 128 proc computer?
[07:53:42] <the_unmaker> economics?
[07:54:06] <jmcp> cos they've lusted after them since they were first at uni/college, and now they're *cheap*
[07:57:44] <sartek> of course i made there some mistakes..
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[08:04:23] <the_unmaker> some at work use berkeley db for in memory stuff and postgres for other stuff
[08:04:37] <the_unmaker> Im curious how software can work among many nodes
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[08:10:56] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: depending on the software, fairly easily
[08:11:21] <e^ipi> something like a web server can be load balanced
[08:11:27] <e^ipi> other software has other clustering solutions
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[08:14:36] <the_unmaker> hm
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[08:18:47] <e^ipi> you can also use clusters for availability
[08:18:53] <spike-> can someone help me troubleshoot freenx
[08:19:03] <spike-> when i try to login, it opens up the desktop but then immediately closes it
[08:19:04] <e^ipi> spike-: use SSGD ?
[08:19:06] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[08:19:12] <spike-> i think it has something todo with the login screen
[08:19:13] <spike-> ssgd eh?
[08:19:15] * spike- goes to take a look
[08:19:19] <spike-> is that as fast as freenx though?
[08:19:19] <e^ipi> secure global desktop
[08:19:26] <e^ipi> yes
[08:19:29] <spike-> really?
[08:19:33] <spike-> alright i'll take a look
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[08:20:10] <spike-> does that do same thing as freenx....i.e. can i have multiple users logged in at same time viewing differnet desktops...?
[08:20:51] <oxygene> even plain old xdmcp can provide that (with worse bandwidth use)
[08:21:03] <spike-> alright right on ssgd it is then
[08:21:07] <spike-> just gotta figure out how to get it running
[08:21:10] <oxygene> spike-: I think they're working on pushing multimedia data (videos etc) through sgd now
[08:21:28] <spike-> i assume there's a windows client too right?
[08:21:42] <jmcp> yup
[08:21:46] <spike-> screet
[08:21:47] <spike-> sweet*
[08:21:55] <spike-> i've been having a hell of a time getting anything like this setup
[08:21:59] <spike-> been trying for a couple days now
[08:24:26] <spike-> sgd isn't free though?
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[08:26:54] <spike-> bahh
[08:26:56] <spike-> i need something free
[08:27:02] <spike-> this seems to only have a free trial?
[08:27:59] <spike-> Can anyone help me troubleshoot freenx please?
[08:28:28] <trochej> Coffee
[08:29:48] <spike-> problem is i'm not very familiar with freenx nor X in general
[08:29:51] <spike-> so i have no idea where to start
[08:30:08] <e^ipi> the docs?
[08:33:14] <spike-> hehe
[08:33:28] <spike-> thanks
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[08:37:30] <spike-> alright never mind
[08:37:32] <spike-> to bed for me
[08:37:33] <spike-> later.
[08:38:28] <e^ipi> seriously read the documentation
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[08:40:59] <the_unmaker> doc doc docs
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[09:01:35] <h3sp4wn> spike-: VirtualGL + TurboVNC gieves pretty decent performance and its already included in SXCE (Not sure about what cards it works well with other than my XVR-1000)
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[09:52:58] <evocallaghan> www.opensparc.org
[09:53:17] <e^ipi> that was out of nowhere...
[09:53:41] <evocallaghan> Sorry, my screen was scrolled up since hours ago
[09:53:56] <evocallaghan> So now thats out of contex :p
[09:54:00] <evocallaghan> ignore
[09:54:19] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:How are you?
[09:54:29] <e^ipi> s'alright
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[10:03:00] <the_unmaker> heh
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[10:03:09] <gavino> arrgg
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[10:03:23] <gavino> well I just got through reading about distributed hash tables
[10:03:39] <gavino> I guess they arent going to put relational databases outa business
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[10:09:33] <Molle> gmorning
[10:09:37] <mikl> hmm, it is possible to avoid installin all the GUI-stuff from the OSOL live CD?
[10:09:42] <Molle> hey is there an pfzsh port?
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[10:10:25] <xRaich[o]2x> Molle: don't think so
[10:10:33] <Molle> hm :( to use ksh, tcsh or sh?
[10:10:49] <xRaich[o]2x> ksh ftw ;)
[10:10:55] <Molle> zsh is far superior to these shells :-)
[10:11:00] <Molle> ftw?
[10:11:05] <xRaich[o]2x> for the win
[10:11:27] <gavino> http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/54/400list08_Larry-Page_XFXI.html
[10:11:39] <gavino> some use common lisp as a shell I heard
[10:11:40] <gavino> wow
[10:11:46] <gavino> google guys are rich as hell
[10:11:52] <gavino> I wonder if google os will ever come out
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[10:14:31] <gavino> is zsh nicer than bash?
[10:14:38] <gavino> if so why
[10:14:45] <xRaich[o]2x> the completion is cool
[10:15:10] <Macabee> i find zsh a bit too ... fluffy
[10:15:16] <xRaich[o]2x> fluffy?
[10:15:17] <Macabee> and bash can do all the same completions
[10:15:27] <e^ipi> ksh > you.
[10:15:45] <xRaich[o]2x> ksh is great yes.
[10:15:55] <e^ipi> does bash have complex number support ? no it does not.
[10:15:58] <Molle> haha, completion is nicer, nicer mechanisms, and you the scripting is far supperior to bash, having arrays, and a more pythonish feeling of everything, prompts are nicer, pre and post exec is handled better, its extensible via plugins...
[10:16:15] <e^ipi> does bash implement most of the UNIX core userland as shell functions (avoiding fork/exec cycles) ? no it does not.
[10:16:17] <Molle> hm perhaps i never configured ksh "the right way" :)
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[10:16:28] <gavino> why cant one use python or tcl as a fulltime shell?
[10:16:47] <xRaich[o]2x> tcl? god forbid!
[10:16:52] <gavino> ksh I dont know a things about
[10:17:06] <gavino> ksh page i read one time said it had all kinda features
[10:17:06] <trochej> gavino: IIIRC there was a project for python shell and perl shell and assembler shell.
[10:17:16] <trochej> Thought what one would do with the last one, I am lost at
[10:17:19] <e^ipi> and they were abandoned as being retarded ideas
[10:17:29] <gavino> heh
[10:17:32] <Molle> python shell, yeah that would be cool
[10:17:36] <gavino> I like bash cuz it gives the history
[10:17:42] <gavino> and tab completion
[10:17:43] <e^ipi> gavino: ksh does that.
[10:17:46] <e^ipi> and that.
[10:17:49] <e^ipi> so does zsh
[10:17:53] <gavino> on freebsd i always switch to bash after login
[10:17:56] <e^ipi> and cshell
[10:18:01] <e^ipi> that's stupid
[10:18:02] <gavino> it also shows my current dir in the prompt
[10:18:12] <e^ipi> so does ksh
[10:18:16] <gavino> oh
[10:18:19] <gavino> ok
[10:18:28] <gavino> on freebsd it doesnt seem to
[10:18:28] <e^ipi> my prompt: error404@gomorra:[ /export/home/error404 ] $
[10:18:34] <gavino> I dunno maybe I misused it
[10:18:47] <gavino> did you have to hack it? what is it ksh?
[10:18:59] <e^ipi> it's ksh93
[10:19:07] <e^ipi> i just have a PS1 setting in ~/.profile
[10:19:11] <trochej> e^ipi: You called your comp gomorra? :)
[10:19:14] <gavino> does that come standard with solaris?
[10:19:22] <e^ipi> trochej: yes
[10:19:27] <e^ipi> gavino: yes
[10:19:34] <e^ipi> gavino: /usr/bin/ksh93
[10:19:39] <gavino> yah in linux id go like PS1="\m \H \w" or soemthing
[10:19:45] <e^ipi> same deal...
[10:19:53] <Stric> gavino: most shells have all the features mentioned above.. although some settings might not be enabled by default (like some prompt settings)
[10:20:09] <gavino> tcl seems useful
[10:20:23] <gavino> Im amazed no one kinda backported tcl into being a shell for linux
[10:20:39] * Stric stabs gavino in the face with a rubber fork
[10:20:48] <gavino> bad?
[10:20:50] <Stric> tcl needs to die
[10:20:51] <gavino> heh
[10:20:57] <gavino> aolserver kinda intrigues me
[10:20:59] <xRaich[o]2x> Stric: full ack
[10:21:06] <e^ipi> gavino: why?
[10:21:06] <gavino> tcl people kicked me a lto for asking qustions
[10:21:08] * Stric stabs gavino in the face with a rubber fork again
[10:21:22] <e^ipi> gavino: ws7 is faster & more robust
[10:21:22] <xRaich[o]2x> i had to learn that stuff in school.... tcl gave me the creeps back then
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[10:21:45] <gavino> aolserver has threadsed model so god on multicores, has db connection pooling, memoization, ADP pages, ..blah
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[10:22:04] <e^ipi> so how is that better than ws7 ?
[10:22:12] <gavino> e^ipi: aolserver is supposed to be much faster at dynamic content than anything on the web
[10:22:29] <Stric> it's still tcl.
[10:22:33] <e^ipi> got numbers?
[10:22:36] <gavino> C with tiny bit of tcl
[10:22:49] <gavino> no I got no numbers
[10:22:58] <e^ipi> if they're just aolserver:apache benchmarks, who cares, apache sucks
[10:23:03] <e^ipi> so does IIS
[10:23:03] <gavino> ws7 beats cherokee or nginx?
[10:23:17] <e^ipi> good question, i have no idea
[10:23:36] <gavino> nginx is supposed to kick ass and non non dynaic cherokee claims to beat it
[10:23:43] <gavino> but
[10:23:45] <gavino> heh
[10:23:53] <_mary_kate_> honestly, if you're not using apache, when is the web server ever the bottleneck for dynamic content?
[10:23:54] <gavino> eventy servers dont scale on mutli core apaprently
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[10:24:17] <gavino> _mary_kate_: no idea Im not that experienced
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[10:24:25] <_mary_kate_> also, _all_ modern web servers (except apache) are fast, i think it's time to consider more useful criteria
[10:24:34] <_mary_kate_> like feature set, suitability...
[10:24:50] <Stric> for dynamic content, the web server itself is seldom the bottleneck..
[10:26:20] <e^ipi> most web servers advertise themselves as "x times faster than apache" but like... that's like high-performance car companies advertising as " x times faster than a Geo Metro"
[10:26:26] <e^ipi> yeah, a geo gets you there... eventually...
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[10:27:39] <gavino> lol
[10:28:12] <gavino> I got a job a a company
[10:28:21] <gavino> and they have a petabyte of data
[10:28:28] * Stric has no trouble pushing "enough" data through apache either
[10:28:33] <gavino> so im guna be levelling up quick
[10:28:52] <gavino> I know linux and freebsd
[10:28:57] <gavino> much more linux
[10:29:05] <gavino> and solaris Im going to learn ropes
[10:29:15] <gavino> but learning java or web programming is another thing I want
[10:29:28] <gavino> not sure what to do there.
[10:29:31] <e^ipi> heard of grails?
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[10:29:42] <e^ipi> it's like ruby on rails, but minus the ruby suck-ness
[10:29:50] <gavino> some melding of java and ruby on rails or something?
[10:29:56] <e^ipi> sortof
[10:30:17] <gavino> will it take me like 10 years to learn
[10:30:28] <gavino> I kinda wana start my own company and get rich
[10:30:32] <gavino> liek in 3+ years
[10:30:40] <trochej> gavino: Second point will take you ten years
[10:30:40] <e^ipi> yeah, good luck with that...
[10:30:52] <trochej> gavino: Learning grails ought to take you a week, or two
[10:30:56] <trochej> If you take it slowly.
[10:31:05] <gavino> what if I know jack about java
[10:31:14] <trochej> gavino: I said, if you take it slowly.
[10:31:34] <e^ipi> an afternoon if you have some rudimentary understanding of MVC architecture
[10:31:41] <trochej> gavino: There is java EE tutorial somwhere on sun pages. Getting through this should take you a day.
[10:31:56] <e^ipi> and know vaguely how to use a turing-complete language
[10:32:03] <trochej> gavino: Then look though library documentation
[10:32:03] <e^ipi> trochej: those are terrible...
[10:32:10] <trochej> e^ipi: I find it even nice
[10:32:24] <e^ipi> trochej: real actual javaEE is a library worth of information to understand
[10:32:31] <e^ipi> grails... a monkey can use grails
[10:32:39] <trochej> e^ipi: Yes, that was second thing I was to suggest
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[10:32:51] <trochej> About library, not monkey. :)
[10:32:54] <mikl> hmm, what is the default password for the live CD?
[10:32:57] <trochej> Oh, and coffee
[10:33:00] <trochej> Lots of that
[10:33:02] <mikl> root-password
[10:33:08] <e^ipi> monkey-picked coffee?
[10:33:26] <trochej> mikl: opensolaris ?
[10:33:28] <trochej> try it
[10:33:43] <mikl> trochej: yes
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[10:34:00] <trochej> mikl: If it doesn't work, fire up firefox and read release notes. Installation guide has all the info, I think
[10:34:04] <gavino> I think admin blank got me in
[10:34:10] <e^ipi> trochej: http://tinyurl.com/4sdmsz
[10:34:11] <gavino> ok so grails uses groovy
[10:34:13] <e^ipi> monkey coffee.
[10:34:14] <gavino> heh
[10:34:38] <e^ipi> gavino: groovy is just java + closures - some strictness about typing
[10:35:58] <trochej> e^ipi: Not my league
[10:36:10] <e^ipi> i haven't tried it
[10:36:15] <trochej> e^ipi: I wouldn't recognize this coffe if it hit me in my face.
[10:36:18] <e^ipi> it seems like a stupid gimmick
[10:36:24] <trochej> e^ipi: And a price
[10:36:25] <trochej> :/
[10:36:35] <mikl> bleh, I never can't find anything on the OpenSolaris pages
[10:36:36] <gavino> monkey spit coffe?
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[10:36:47] <gavino> damn
[10:36:50] <e^ipi> no, picked
[10:36:56] <gavino> I beter go to gym its 136am
[10:36:59] <e^ipi> eh, $25/12oz isn't that bad
[10:37:08] <e^ipi> it's on the higher end
[10:37:25] <e^ipi> but cup of excellence coffees are usually a bit more
[10:37:41] <e^ipi> Esmirelda was $240/lb
[10:38:14] <Okona> any idea why dtlogin gets a sigsegv on solaris 9 with rayserver 3.1 after login (occurs even after incorrect login/pw)
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[10:42:40] <trochej> Coffee
[10:42:45] <trochej> It will cure my sore throat
[10:43:06] <e^ipi> it cures my headaches
[10:43:09] <e^ipi> true story
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[10:45:01] <trochej> e^ipi: My headaches are cured by my PM. When he says: okay, it was stupid idea, drop it. :)
[10:45:09] <e^ipi> heh
[10:46:34] <trochej> Coffee only cures my craving for coffee. And shortly. :)
[10:49:21] <xRaich[o]2x> coffee. nectar of the gods
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[11:04:04] <edgy> hi
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[11:04:19] <edgy> another scsa question ;)
[11:04:33] * edgy searching for _mary_kate_ <=>
[11:04:47] <edgy> http://pastebin.com/mabf89f7
[11:05:05] <edgy> I believe all the answers are wrong :(
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[11:06:42] <Stric> so you want us to help you with your homework.. ;)
[11:09:58] <edgy> Stric: no no. I am preparing for the scsa exam in the coming days and this question on the net is not clear, I believe. If you think the answer is obvious, then ok you can accuse me of not doing my homework
[11:10:24] <edgy> Stric: but if you found the question confusing to you too, then I deserve help here
[11:10:42] <Stric> I found one part of it confusing, but that might be intentional
[11:11:01] <Stric> but I did find one alternative that I believe is what they was looking for
[11:11:18] <Stric> but it all depends on the question writers definition of some things
[11:11:56] <gausus> how can i enable cups on 2008.11?
[11:12:17] <Stric> hm.. but now when I read it again, I don't find any correct alternative either ;)
[11:12:23] <gausus> gausus@wolverine:~$ pfexec svcs | grep cups
[11:12:23] <gausus> gausus@wolverine:~$ pfexec svcs | grep print
[11:12:23] <gausus> online          8:13:26 svc:/application/print/ppd-cache-update:default
[11:12:23] <gausus> online         10:35:29 svc:/application/print/server:default
[11:12:23] <gausus> maintenance     8:19:42 svc:/network/device-discovery/printers:snmp
[11:12:34] <gausus> still i i have SUNWcups package installed
[11:13:03] <_mary_kate_> 104945 is the /usr/bin/date patch.  i wonder if there really is a vendor who only certifies their app for a specific version of /usr/bin/date
[11:13:17] <Stric> ;)
[11:13:52] <smtms> edgy, what's confusing in the question?
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[11:15:00] <_mary_kate_> also, since that's a solaris 2.4 patch, i don't think it'd install on S10
[11:15:06] <_mary_kate_> and even if it did, it wouldn't use patchadd
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[11:15:44] <smtms> _mary_kate_, are people on the exam supposed to check patch numbers online? :-)
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[11:16:14] <_mary_kate_> there are a few patches it's hard not to know without looking ;)
[11:16:26] <edgy> smtms: I am confused because pkgrm can't uninstall a patch. I should use patchrm instead
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[11:17:01] <h3sp4wn> edgy: I would say D if Sun break anything when they obsolete stuff then its upto them to fix it
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[11:29:27] <edgy> h3sp4wn: but in the question mentioned the vendor will not support their application for any other level of the patch. From the comments of Stric, _mary_kate_ I will say the question is wrong and hope and pray it won't be on the  exam ;)
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[11:43:00] <sletz> i'm tryoing to use grub "chainloader"to have solaris and Linux
[11:43:20] <sletz> how to find the (hdx,x) infos?
[11:44:05] <Macabee> easiest way is to boot to the grub menu
[11:44:14] <Macabee> hit the button to drop to the command line
[11:44:18] <Macabee> then use auto-complete :)
[11:44:24] <Macabee> (hd<tab> etc.
[11:44:28] <Macabee> then you can easily work it out
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[11:46:41] <sletz>  "boot to the grub menu": don't undersand that...
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[11:49:01] <evocallaghan> sletz:google grub and read its docs
[11:49:33] <sletz> Macabee: i tried for Linux "root (hd0,0)" and "chainloader +1" but starting it goes back to Solaris grub...
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[12:04:54] <DTEIT> hi all
[12:05:18] <DTEIT> i'm having some problems trying to run windows guest on a sxce xVM
[12:11:02] <h3sp4wn> Thers is a fix for the vncserver that is needed I think
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[12:15:09] <DTEIT> libvir: Xen Daemon error : POST operation failed: (xend.err 'Device 5632 (vbd) could not be connected. Backend device not found.')
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[12:23:58] <edgy> I know there is a probe-scsi-all command but is there a probe-ide-all command?
[12:24:32] <TomJ> dont think you can probe IDE, can you?
[12:24:42] <TomJ> you can't add anything to the IDE bus after boot
[12:25:22] <edgy> TomJ: yes, you can. you can add it before boot then probe it
[12:26:14] <TomJ> if it's added before boot, then surely it's probed automatically on boot?
[12:26:15] <edgy> TomJ: it seems solaris needs to probe/reconfigure some disks before got recognized
[12:26:53] <edgy> TomJ: if you have an OPB just try sifting probe and check whether probe-ide is available please
[12:27:01] <TomJ> i dont
[12:27:30] <edgy> TomJ: why do you think we need to do boot -r or touch /reconfigure or grub -r?
[12:28:03] <TomJ> I dont think that has anything to do with probing the IDE bus, that's so the system creates devfs entries and so on
[12:28:28] <edgy> TomJ: and for IDE, we don't need the devfs entries and so on?
[12:28:45] <TomJ> of course you do
[12:29:06] <oxygene> edgy: probe-scsi-all doesn't affect the devfs entries
[12:29:14] <oxygene> edgy: it affects the OF device tree
[12:29:31] <edgy> oxygene: really? then I am confusing probe with devfsadm ;)
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[12:29:41] <TomJ> that's hwat I'm saying
[12:29:48] <TomJ> but there is a probe IDE command, you're right on that
[12:29:51] <TomJ> probe-ide from OBP
[12:30:04] <TomJ> but I'm not sure if it actually does anytihng, or if it's just an informational command
[12:30:45] <edgy> what's this OF device tree? probe-scsi would do what exactly? just like show-disks?
[12:31:28] <oxygene> edgy: the OF device tree is the data structure of the firmware to hold all information relevant to devices (and a couple other things)
[12:32:21] <oxygene> edgy: most operating systems rather quickly leave the firmware behind, accessing hardware directly. solaris does, too (except for the console, which is - until recently - managed by firmware)
[12:33:26] <edgy> oxygene: when  you say except from the console, what do you mean?
[12:34:03] <edgy> I thought console means a physical connection to the system not a telnet or ssh session, no?
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[12:35:01] <edgy> TomJ: probe-all is like probe-ide-all and probe-scsi-all + others?
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[12:39:20] <TomJ> no idea
[12:39:23] <TomJ> use google.
[12:39:36] <edgy> TomJ: yes, I will do.  thanks
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[12:40:15] <edgy> TomJ: but I got your point that probe-* is just informational and won't configure any thing. thanks oxygene too for the clarification
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[12:48:43] <codestr0m> I'm trying to clone a git repo and it keeps hanging at
[12:48:43] <codestr0m> so_socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP, 0x00000000, SOV_XPG4_2) = 4
[12:48:43] <codestr0m> connect(4, 0x0824C8A0, 16, SOV_XPG4_2) (sleeping...)
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[13:19:38] <jmcp> codestr0m: surely that would indicate that your remote connection isn't responding
[13:20:25] <codestr0m> jmcp: well. I tried git 1.5 and git HEAD.. both failed. ssh to my linux box and worked just fine first try.. I don't have time to debug it unfortunately
[13:20:47] <jmcp> meh
[13:21:11] <codestr0m> jmcp: git clone http://oss.axsentis.de/git/axsentis-overlay.git is what I was trying to clone
[13:21:19] <codestr0m> if you or someone else can reproduce
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[13:24:45] <jmcp> hmmph
[13:24:49] <jmcp> I thought I had git installed
[13:24:51] <jmcp> gimme a mo....
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[13:28:41] <trochej> Coffee
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[13:32:30] <edgy> Which file system component is responsible for holding filename-to-inode association: directory or inode table? (isn't both correct?)
[13:34:01] <oxygene> edgy: directories. were inode tables to store the filename, hardlinks would be hard to implement
[13:34:23] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: isn't that why they're not called easy links?
[13:34:55] <trochej> :)
[13:35:08] <oxygene> :)
[13:35:34] <trochej> !fortune
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[13:36:43] <edgy> oxygene: directories are inode tables which stores filename -> inode map, but one answer should be correct and other shouldn't :(
[13:37:04] <edgy> _mary_kate_: yes again that scsa question ;)
[13:38:09] <oxygene> edgy: I assumed with "inode table" they mean the thing you refer to as "inode map"
[13:38:43] <hile_> ugh why would you use git, jmcp?
[13:39:01] <jmcp> hile_: trying to help codestr0m
[13:39:27] <edgy> oxygene: I also assume so. the full question is here: http://pastebin.com/m3e23448b
[13:40:36] <trochej> edgy: Aren't scsa supposed to be held private?
[13:41:33] <edgy> trochej: some one doesn't believe so and posted some of the confusing questions on the net. Actually, with such questions, I believe he has the right to complain about their inaccuracy
[13:41:43] <trochej> edgy: And scsa allowas for multiple correct answers
[13:42:06] <mikl> hmm, how do I find out which harddisks the system has detected? I know that there are two in the besides my system drive, but can't find the device names
[13:42:11] <trochej> edgy: I don't remember any inaccurate question at my scsa exam
[13:42:11] <edgy> trochej: yes but in that case it points out clearly how many answers are correct. in this example only one allowed
[13:42:20] <trochej> mikl: format
[13:42:29] <trochej> mikl: It will print all drives detected by syste,
[13:42:35] <edgy> mikl: probe-all
[13:42:39] <mikl> trochej: oh, yes, thank you :)
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[13:43:50] <codestr0m> jmcp: btw. thanks for looking at this.. I'm confirming other git repos work.. so this is certainly something to do with network
[13:43:51] <edgy> trochej: and what would say about this real question?
[13:44:15] <trochej> edgy: More probable is that the person didn't read the original question and it's answers correctly
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[13:44:56] <edgy> trochej: this is why he posted the question and I found the same question posted by more the one examiner
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[13:47:55] <trochej> edgy: To cite the best refernce, Soalris Internals: In UFS all information pertaining to a file is stored in a special file index node called the inode (except for the name of the file, which is stored in the directory).
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[13:49:33] <trochej> edgy: Does it answer your question? :)
[13:49:51] <edgy> trochej: no ;)
[13:50:14] <edgy> trochej: because other refs also call this an inode table
[13:50:28] <trochej> For me it does. :)
[13:50:39] <edgy> trochej: really? so what would  you choose?
[13:50:44] <edgy> trochej: directory?
[13:50:52] <trochej> Yes.
[13:51:05] <edgy> trochej: and why not inode table?
[13:52:07] <jmcp> codestr0m: I'm getting files from that repo now
[13:52:16] <jmcp> codestr0m: you might want to try cloning again
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[13:52:38] <codestr0m> jmcp: I'll try again
[13:53:56] <jmcp> yup, pulled that entire repo
[13:54:03] <codestr0m> jmcp: did it hang at any point.. mine is intermittently hanging still
[13:54:21] <jmcp> probably a nyetwork glitch between you and the repo
[13:54:29] <codestr0m> I get to a point like got a22ea395fe8bcb278a4684689a1a7df502ece2f9 and then it just sits there.. 5+ minutes
[13:55:57] <codestr0m> each time a different spot
[13:56:10] <codestr0m> SunOS fuzzy 5.11 snv_96 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[13:56:30] <codestr0m> I could possibly install the atheros drivers and try another nw connection?
[13:56:36] <jmcp> perhaps
[13:56:40] <edgy> trochej: i see now in solaris internals, there are inodes which are not stored in directory entries like the in-core inode which is inodes in memory, so this may indicate inode table is more accurate?
[13:56:58] <jmcp> you've got a network problem, I doubt it's an OpenSolaris problem
[13:57:17] <jmcp> edgy: are you asking us to help you answer your SCSA exam?
[13:58:06] <codestr0m> jmcp: umm.. well.. I think this problem shouldn't exist.. (bug?) other git repos clone fine.. it clones fine for you and from my server.. what conditions exist to make it hang like this from my laptop only
[13:58:08] <edgy> jmcp: I am asking you to help me prepare for the exam not answer MY exam. Isn't people ask here when they have a problem?
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[14:00:11] <edgy> I really don't know why some here have a negative/sensitive attitude when it comes to test questions? Isn't asking one of the ways to help one understands the topic?!
[14:00:47] <codestr0m> edgy: they are just trying to ensure fairness
[14:01:11] <codestr0m> and really.. SCSA questions probably aren't welcome here.. I could be wrong, but seems to be the tone
[14:01:23] <smtms> edgy, you should differentiate inodes and inode numbers
[14:01:24] <edgy> I can very easily see any exam dump and recognize the answers by heart and go pass without even understanding but I am here to figure out really confusing questions that I care to understand
[14:01:53] <smtms> edgy, just address the concerns of all people that seem irritated
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[14:02:29] <edgy> smtms: yes I don't differentiate between inodes and inodes numbers. I belive they are the same
[14:02:40] <smtms> edgy, they are not
[14:02:50] <smtms> edgy, take the big books and see for yourself
[14:02:51] <edgy> smtms: ls -li displays the inode number, rightTT?
[14:03:07] <smtms> edgy, it displays the inode number + information found in the inode
[14:03:51] <smtms> I wonder what ZFS questions in an SCSA might look like :-)
[14:04:32] <gausus> anyone of you guys is using cups on 2008.11 ?
[14:04:37] <gausus> or .05 ?
[14:05:08] <jmcp> edgy: it wasn't clear to me
[14:05:13] <jmcp> thankyou for clearing that up
[14:06:05] <edgy> jmcp: np, thanks too
[14:06:26] <edgy> smtms: yes the number is in the first column only
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[14:09:06] <trochej> edgy: I believe you wouodn't pass scsa with brain dump. :)
[14:10:00] <jmcp> codestr0m: I mean "OpenSolaris problem" in the sense of "bug in OpenSolaris"
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[14:10:26] <edgy> trochej: I really understand the topic and I really don't want to pass by dumps but I know of many who passed the exam just by those dumps and they don't understand most of the topic and they would fail in real life to solve the simplest problems
[14:10:27] <codestr0m> jmcp: w/o more debugging I'm not sure if this is a git bug or opensolaris networking bug
[14:10:44] <jmcp> codestr0m: do you have a wired connection which you can test with
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[14:10:56] <codestr0m> jmcp: I'm on wired connection. I was going to test wireless
[14:11:10] <jmcp> did it work before? has it recently stopped working?
[14:11:33] <codestr0m> my network is fine. I download sources/misc stuff all day.. irc. etc..
[14:12:03] <jmcp> can you clone a different repo to your laptop using the same network connection?
[14:12:11] <codestr0m> I haven't tested git extensively if that's what you mean, but you did a co w/o problems.. so
[14:12:39] <codestr0m> jmcp: yeah. I tested several already. including the main git one
[14:19:38] <jmcp> is it just this particular oss.axsentis.de repo which you're having issues with?
[14:20:21] <edgy> smtms: I think I got your point that inode is not just the number/address, it refers to the whole information including the size, data blocks, permissions, ...
[14:21:10] <Stygius> I have a server with four 146 GB SAS drives on a StorageTek RAID controller that I'm going to install OpenSolaris on. Assuming I use ZFS, what would be the optimal HW RAID conf vs. ZFS setup? For example, would having two HW RAID 0 LUNs with ZFS mirroring on top be a good idea?
[14:22:19] <smtms> edgy, good, you are now better prepared to understand how hardlinks work and what their limitations are
[14:22:47] <smtms> edgy, is it too much to ask how old are you?
[14:23:22] <edgy> smtms: not young, 31
[14:23:39] <smtms> not old either :-)
[14:24:58] <edgy> I am working with linux for a couple of years now, and in solaris for a couple of months now ;)
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[14:28:48] <TomJ> Stygius: optimal raid config is 4 x simple volumes, i.e. JBOD,  with ZFS using the disks as a RAID 10
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[14:29:01] <TomJ> i.e. you are not using hardware raid at all, raid is done by ZFS
[14:29:23] <Stygius> TomJ: yeah, considered that, but seems like a waste of the RAID controller :)
[14:29:32] <TomJ> ZFS is better than your RAID controller
[14:29:38] <jmcp> Stygius: given the small number of disks you have connected, using both the RAID card and ZFS is a waste of ZFS
[14:29:51] <jmcp> Stygius: why did you buy the raid card then?
[14:29:56] <TomJ> if you spent money on it, I empathise, I am in the same situation.   next time buy a cheap JBOD card like a marvell.  but it's still better to let ZFS do everything
[14:30:03] <Stygius> RAID card came with the server
[14:30:09] <Stygius> only 4 disk slots
[14:30:10] <jmcp> ah
[14:30:13] <jmcp> right
[14:30:17] <jmcp> x4150 or something?
[14:30:21] <Stygius> X4450
[14:30:38] <jmcp> nod
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[14:30:48] <TomJ> your RAID controller will still be providing some hardware cache and some features that improve performance
[14:30:58] <TomJ> i.e. it's still a good disk controller
[14:31:06] <TomJ> but it has nothing to offer as a RAID device compared to ZFS
[14:31:15] <Stygius> TomJ: ok, good top know
[14:31:36] <edgy> Please correct me if I am wrong. A data block can contain more than one inode and an inode can use more than one data block
[14:32:22] <jmcp> um
[14:32:26] <jmcp> inodes have a specific size
[14:32:35] <jmcp> but you can have multiple levels of indirection
[14:32:58] <jmcp> which allows you to store references to more and more actual "data" blocks
[14:33:14] <jmcp> another one of those badly phrased questions?
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[14:34:27] <edgy> jmcp: sorry let me rephrase it in a better way.  A data block can be addressed from more than one inode and an inode can address more than one data block
[14:35:11] <jmcp> I'd say that the first half is correct if you include symbolic links. The second half is true.
[14:36:00] <oxygene> hmm.. symlinks are inode--(filename)->inode, the datablock is still only being referred to by the second inode (ie. the target), or not?
[14:36:31] <edgy> jmcp: it's correct because of fragments
[14:36:56] * jmcp mutters about how UFS is such a *bodgy* collection of hacks....
[14:37:36] <jmcp> while I'm really eager for UFS to be totally gone (in favour of ZFS)..... I know it's going be an *awful* long time
[14:38:12] <TomJ> hey it works pretty well though, doesn't it?  UFS that is
[14:38:22] <jmcp> it's showing its limitation
[14:38:23] <jmcp> s
[14:38:26] <TomJ> old and featureless but reliable and fairly fast
[14:38:38] <jmcp> mostly reliable, and not very fast, no
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[14:39:10] <jmcp> TomJ: http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/oh_if_only_i_d
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[14:39:19] <Stygius> TomJ: so ZFS RAID 10 would be better than RAID-Z(2) in the case of 4 disks? is there a cutoff point for the number of disks when RAID-Z(2) would be preferable, or are there other factors to consider?
[14:39:35] <jmcp> Stygius: have you seen the ZFS Best Practices guide?
[14:39:44] <TomJ> Stygius: you can't have a RAIDZ as a root pool I believe
[14:39:49] <jmcp> correct
[14:40:00] <jmcp> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide and http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Configuration_Guide
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[14:40:18] <Stygius> jmcp: yeah, I'm reading it, just trying to fill in some blanks
[14:40:21] <TomJ> Stygius: if this isn't for a root pool, then yeah RAIDZ is an option.  but there's no point having a RAIDZ2 with 4 disks, that would be the same redundcancy as RAID10 but slower and with less expansion possibilities
[14:41:06] <TomJ> *same redundancy, and same storage capacity
[14:41:15] <Stygius> TomJ: ok, got it. thanks!
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[14:44:04] <jbk> morning
[14:44:09] <jmcp> hi
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[14:51:01] <codestr0m> I'm trying to compile portaudio.. and from the command line it's configuring, but from my script I get configure: error: libpthread not found!.. someone able to help track this down
[14:51:15] <codestr0m> I'm using suncc.. ./configure --prefix=/opt/gentoo/usr --host=x86_64-pc-solaris2.11 --mandir=/opt/gentoo/usr/share/man --infodir=/opt/gentoo/usr/share/info --datadir=/opt/gentoo/usr/share --sysconfdir=/opt/gentoo/etc --localstatedir=/opt/gentoo/var/lib --enable-cxx --without-jack --without-alsa --without-oss --without-debug-output --build=x86_64-pc-solaris2.11
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[14:54:58] <jbk> try doing 'CFLAGS=-lpthread ./configure ....'
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[14:57:08] <nkamal> Hi, I am new to OpenSolaris, Can somebody tell me if I will be able to run a Linux executable on Linux?
[14:57:52] <nkamal> Sorry, If I will be able to run Linux Executable on OpenSolaris?
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[14:59:32] <oxygene> nkamal: you can run a linux environment in a branded zone
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[15:00:20] <codestr0m> jbk: that got me past configure, but then I get this on make
[15:00:20] <codestr0m> ld: fatal: file ../lib/.libs/libportaudiocpp.so: open failed: No such file or directory
[15:00:20] <codestr0m> ld: fatal: File processing errors. No output written to .libs/devs
[15:00:44] <codestr0m> I'm not used to how solaris ld works..
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[15:07:10] <SunTzuTech> jbk: wouldn't you set LDFLAGS="-lpthread", not CFLAGS?
[15:07:32] <linduxed> hey guys, how do i check what the currently loaded xmodmap is?
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[15:10:10] <snejk> " forceboot operation is invalid for zones in state 'mounted'", anyone know how to fix ?
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[15:17:07] <NCommander> e^ipi: good morning
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[15:21:38] <TomJ> snejk: I dont even know what state 'mounted' is?  It's not referenced in zoneadm or zonecfg
[15:22:15] <snejk> TomJ: I searched the net, found that its an internal state
[15:22:34] <snejk> TomJ, used when patching I believe
[15:22:40] <snejk> I had to reboot the server
[15:22:55] <domutaka> hey evryone i am still not able to run opensolaris in Graphical environment ? what should i do now.
[15:24:42] <PicCard> you installed on PC?
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[15:25:27] <domutaka> i installed it on vmware worstation 6 on a win 2003 serv
[15:25:57] <TomJ> and what goes wrong?
[15:26:18] <codestr0m> this is really driving me a big crazy.. should LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib" work?
[15:26:23] <codestr0m> s/big/bit*
[15:26:45] <TomJ> codestr0m: should work I'd think.. but completely unnecesary unless you for some reason removed /lib from the normal system lib path?
[15:26:47] <domutaka> when i boot i get to console and can't switch to GUI login
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[15:29:07] <codestr0m> TomJ: this build script is doing some thing behind my back.. and I may need to echo some env to figure out what's up.. "ld: fatal: file ../lib/.libs/libportaudiocpp.so: open failed: No such file or directory" is what I get when I explicitly set CFLAGS="-lpthread"
[15:30:18] <SunTzuTech> how about setting LDFLAGS=-lpthread
[15:31:07] <TomJ> yeah LDFLAGS not CFLAGS
[15:31:16] <TomJ> er actually no, not sure on that
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[15:31:19] <TomJ> LDFLAGS is usually -L -R etc
[15:31:39] <TomJ> codestr0m: that failure error is nothing to do with /lib
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[15:32:34] <codestr0m> setting CFLAGS=-lpthread gets me past configure and then later a build error.. ldflags is possibly not being picked up, but doesn't give me another result. I can possibly try it from the shell
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[15:34:28] <snejk> is there a way to make pkgadd use -G by default? i hate when it tries to install pkgs in all zones
[15:35:05] <jbk> SunTzuTech: yeah, it's early still
[15:35:15] <jbk> and my brain hasn't been switched on in a week :)
[15:36:10] <edgy> snejk: use an alias
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[15:37:12] <sletz> is git available on OpenSolaris?
[15:37:25] <codestr0m> sletz: pull the 1.5 source and compile
[15:37:43] <snejk> edgy: good idea
[15:37:57] <asyd> anyones know zback? I can't use it because a java class (from jdesktop) is missing
[15:38:24] <edgy> snejk: helping you means I am progressing well ;)
[15:39:12] <sletz> codestr0m: pull?
[15:39:32] <codestr0m> sletz: pull == download
[15:39:40] <snejk> alias pkgadd='pkgadd -G'
[15:39:44] <snejk> :)
[15:40:41] <DTEIT> i'm trying xVM on sxce
[15:40:58] <DTEIT> is it possible to emulate a scsi disk for the guest?
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[15:49:52] <SunTzuTech> codestr0m: perhaps both CFLAGS=-lpthread and LDFLAGS=-lpthread, because configure probably needs it for it's test since autofoo is typically kinda dumb, but you also need it once you start building
[15:50:44] <codestr0m> SunTzuTech: from a clean shell/command line..  ./configure --prefix=/opt/gentoo CC=suncc CXX=sunCC
[15:50:44] <codestr0m> ld: fatal: option -h and building a dynamic executable are incompatible
[15:50:44] <codestr0m> ld: fatal: Flags processing errors
[15:51:23] <jbk> sounds like it assumes all the world's linker is gnu ld
[15:52:08] <codestr0m> http://rafb.net/p/aJI28h58.html
[15:52:28] <codestr0m> jbk: sorry to bother you guys. this is a one-time hit as after this I should be rolling
[15:52:50] <SunTzuTech> nope. configure needs to be updated.  portaudio is in the cvsdude for the kde4 solaris project.
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[15:54:08] <SunTzuTech> http://rafb.net/p/I1tRQu54.html is the configure patch. however, if you want to look at the whole tree, svn co http://svn9.cvsdude.com/kdesolaris/trunk/PORTAUDIO and look at the patches and scripts in  PORTAUDIO/1.9.0/Solaris
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[15:59:56] <domutaka> plz help : when i boot i get to console and can't switch to GUI login
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[16:01:36] <codestr0m> SunTzuTech: I'll pull that and patch it.. (thanks a lot) this was wracking me and I just wrongly assumed it should work :P
[16:01:59] <snejk> I managed to screw up my system using ldd, libm.so.2 =>     /lib/libm.so.2
[16:02:16] <snejk> accidently pasted that line and libm.so.2 is empty
[16:02:18] <snejk> nothing works
[16:02:24] <SunTzuTech> some stuff on Solaris needs some massaging, and hopefully patches will make i back to the mainline
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[16:03:21] <snejk> can you repair a pkg? in my case SUNWlibmsr
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[16:04:19] <SunTzuTech> were you playing with crle? cause I seriously doubt ldd had any effect on your system other than to report what libraries it was dependent on
[16:04:48] <snejk> SunTzuTech, i copied the output of ldd and accidently pasted it in putty
[16:05:05] * sstallion chuckles
[16:05:06] <snejk> it wiped libm
[16:05:10] <Tempt> haha
[16:05:13] <Tempt> Oh, that's classic.
[16:05:20] <Tempt> Stop using Windows already ;-)
[16:05:26] <snejk> right mouse button in win pastes
[16:05:28] <sstallion> stop shelling in as root :)
[16:05:29] <snejk> hehe
[16:05:46] <SunTzuTech> bet $10 he did ld /lib/libm.so
[16:05:48] <Tempt> And yes, as sstallion said, learn about the principles of least privileges
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[16:06:00] <snejk> sometimes u have to use root
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[16:06:05] <gergap> hi
[16:06:20] <sstallion> SunTzuTech: the => would have looked like shell redirection I think
[16:06:20] <Tempt> It would have been the > in => /lib/libblah
[16:06:45] <snejk> Tempt: exactly
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[16:06:58] <gergap> I have my terminal now almost working properly using a inputrc file from linux. The only thing that still not works are the HOME and END keys on my german keyboard.
[16:07:08] <SunTzuTech> oops
[16:07:27] <gergap> does anyone the right sequence for inputrc so that this is working too on OpenSolaris?
[16:08:01] <codestr0m> gergap: I have a blog entry that may help you :P
[16:08:25] <snejk> damn it wiped all => files from ldd output
[16:08:28] <snejk> not just libm
[16:08:29] <snejk> :(
[16:08:29] <gergap> codestr0m: cool, tell me the link
[16:09:04] * Okona has switched to ctrl-a ctrl-e for home and end - a long time ago
[16:09:30] <codestr0m> gergap:  let me know if this helps you http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2008/09/fix-stty-xterm.html
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[16:09:48] <Tempt> ^A and ^E - it's the right thing to do.
[16:09:59] <codestr0m> Tempt: blah. I disagree, but don't have time to argue
[16:10:01] <gergap> codestr0m: yes, I'll try it
[16:10:07] <Tempt> I deal with too many different terminals to try and hack around.
[16:10:23] <Tempt> Besides, laptops with no real home/end keys broke me of the habit completely.
[16:10:35] <codestr0m> I'll happily bring my little tcshrc around on every server/cluster and if they don't like it.. *
[16:10:50] <codestr0m> heh. my dell is fine and I don't buy a laptop with a screwed up keyboard
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[16:11:23] * Tempt sentences codestr0m to two weeks of VT100.
[16:11:47] <codestr0m> Tempt: sentences Tempt to a green screen
[16:12:10] <Tempt> No problem. I *like* high persistance green phosphor.
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[16:12:14] <sickness> what about an HP 700/96? >:P
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[16:12:25] <Tempt> And when I said VT100, I meant .. VT100. Not emulation.
[16:12:46] <Tempt> I do prefer VT520s these days though.
[16:13:44] <Tempt> I find serial terminals are less distracting.
[16:14:05] <toxic_> hello everybody. I'm willing to set up a server, and I want use the incredible ZFS abilities... My problem : I want to make a RAID-Z, but I only have 2 disks now, the third disk will be there soon... Can I start configuring the raid-Z or do I have to wait for the third disk ?
[16:14:47] <Tempt> You'll have to wait for the third disk.
[16:16:02] <Okona> the only thing i do not like ist that the Desktop Environment also uses the ctrl key
[16:16:15] <toxic_> no way for me to crate a pool, and 3 "fake disks" on my 2 disks (even smaller) and when the third disk come I add it to the pool and move the "fake-disk" on it and expand everything ?
[16:16:39] <Tempt> Not in any sane way.
[16:16:48] <toxic_> lol, oki, sorry
[16:16:58] <Tempt> Just get that new disk already!
[16:17:00] <Okona> toxic_: you could create disks in vdevs, but that is 'not a sane way'
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[16:17:44] <toxic_> one last question, will I be able to have my system on the raid-Z or is it easyer to get the system on a separate ext3 disk ?
[16:18:06] <Okona> ext3?
[16:18:33] <Okona> solaris cannot boot from raidz
[16:18:39] <sickness> you can't boot from a raidz set, only from a mirrored set
[16:18:39] <toxic_> I dont'know, i'm a linux neebie (linux neebie = ubuntu expert ;-) )
[16:18:51] <sickness> and anyway, the standard filesystem is ufs not ext3
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[16:19:35] <Okona> zfs on linux? that is also 'not a sane way' (-:
[16:20:00] <toxic_> ok, i'm thinking, what about making a mirror of a mirror ? example, i set up a mirror wih my 2 disks, and then, I buy 2 more, and make it a 2*2 mirror ?
[16:20:42] <Tempt> You can certainly add another mirrored pair to your zpool.
[16:20:45] <toxic_> possible ?
[16:20:49] <Okona> yup
[16:20:50] <Tempt> But I'm not sure you can *boot* from that pair.
[16:21:19] <Tempt> However, you can slice your disks to have a small root pool to boot from and data on a large pool of your preference
[16:21:35] <toxic_> oki, so you'd rather sai : I install soralis on a separate disk, and wait for my third disk to get my raid-Z ?
[16:22:06] <Auralis> or get two smaller drives as root mirror and use others drivers as data sink with raidz
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[16:22:30] * Okona did that for his fileserver
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[16:22:41] <gergap> codestr0m: it didn't worked for me. But I'm not sure about "pfexec cp /tmp/foo/x/xterm xterm". What is the destination path of this cp command?
[16:23:29] <toxic_> oki, i'll try my first solaris install right now on a 2-disks mirror, and I'll re-install cleanly on 4 drives (system + raidZ) after...
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[16:24:03] <gergap> codestr0m: I don't know pfexec at all. Looks like a sudo command for me. Don't know what a profile is???
[16:24:12] <toxic_> could you tell me how difficult it is to get a raidZ working ? difficulty 8/10  ?
[16:24:30] <Tempt> difficulty 0/10
[16:24:36] <seanmcg> raidz setup is a single command
[16:24:36] <toxic_> lol, ok...
[16:24:37] <Tempt> or perhaps 2/10 if you can't read.
[16:24:52] <seanmcg> raidz2 is also a single command
[16:25:13] <toxic_> it's ok, i'm french, so english is a little bit more complicated, but as engeneer, I should get it work .. ;)
[16:25:25] <codestr0m> gergap: usr/share/lib/terminfo/x/xterm
[16:25:56] <seanmcg> most of zfs setup is simply one or two commands, one to create the zpool and two to create a zfs from the pool
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[16:26:10] <toxic_> ok...
[16:26:28] <Tempt> toxic_: I think Sun maintains their docs in French, too.
[16:26:31] <toxic_> no need to partition the drives ? at least, create the file system, no ?
[16:26:36] <codestr0m> gergap: also. not sure if I put it in my howto, but if you ^v and then the key you want to map it'll give you the encoded way it needs to be set.. from there you can use bindkey or bind depending on which shell you're using
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[16:27:17] <toxic_> Tempt, yeah... but there is a lot of information missing from the english version... so I'd rather get all infos... ;)
[16:27:49] <gergap> codestr0m: now it works immediatly also without starting a new shell :-)
[16:27:50] <gergap> great
[16:28:17] <codestr0m> glad it worked for you..
[16:28:24] <toxic_> I'm a ubuntu user, and I'm always using the doc.ubuntu.org website for getting howtows, is there one ultimate website for solaris howtos and docs ?
[16:28:36] <snejk> libm repaired :) had to cpio extract it from the SUNW pkg.. pkgadd didnt work either
[16:28:37] <toxic_> or do I just google my problems ?
[16:28:41] <Auralis> docs.sun.com
[16:28:47] <toxic_> perfect !
[16:28:59] <codestr0m> toxic_: try google.. I've done some beginners stuff, but not a lot of value there.. and yes docs.sun.com
[16:29:36] <PicCard> domutaka: try virtualbox. it works great. Just don't install  the additions
[16:30:30] <domutaka> PicCard:--> do you think that the graphical problem is due to vmware ?
[16:30:55] <gergap> codestr0m: why doesn't solaris install a proper inputrc and xterm so that the terminal works out of the box? Everybody will have the same problems.
[16:31:24] <PicCard> domutaka: not sure. i never tried it on vmware. Did you intall the vmware tools?
[16:31:59] <codestr0m> gergap: not true.. this is mostly people coming from Linux.. and UNIX in general treats it like it's such a personal thing that it's best to leave it up to the end user to break it
[16:32:13] <codestr0m> gergap: just look at how many people argued over a simple home key mapping
[16:32:24] <PicCard> domutaka: qemu also works great.
[16:32:43] <toxic_> any aptitude-like on solaris ?
[16:32:48] <domutaka> i mounted the vmware tools and when did the tar -xvf vmwar...  /pk   it gives error message about that  .gz file . its impossible. i think some permission problem is there but i am using root
[16:33:47] <PicCard> domutaka: try gunzip -bc | tar -xf -
[16:34:00] <codestr0m> toxic_: pkg and there's a doc which compares apt-get vs pkg. you should try to find it.. sorry no link handy
[16:34:25] <PicCard> domutaka: try gunzip -bc file.tar.gz | tar -xf -
[16:34:44] <toxic_> codestr0m, no problem... thanks !
[16:35:00] <domutaka> PicCard:--> but will it resolve the graphic problem . i try out. ? do you think
[16:36:03] <toxic_> codestr0m, thinking about http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/apt_ips/ ?
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[16:36:40] <PicCard> domutaka: maybe installing the vmware-tools will. I know for certain virtualbox work right out the box. qemu as well. i use qemu for version 9
[16:37:00] <codestr0m> toxic_: yes. with one addition.. adding a -r means remote.. as in if you don't have it installed locally it'll help you
[16:37:12] <codestr0m> pkg search -r foo
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[16:37:50] <codestr0m> toxic_: and fair warning. sun breaks package naming conventions so get used to hunting for files or with wild cards
[16:38:16] <domutaka> PicCard:--> can you resolve the problem if i give you the console access ?
[16:39:46] <PicCard> domutaka: i doubt. i just began solaris myself. preparing for the exam
[16:40:04] <toxic_> crap ! solaris can't use my PCI-SATA adapter !
[16:40:17] <toxic_> no disks listed at install !
[16:40:24] <domutaka> PicCard:-->  same here
[16:40:46] <PicCard> domutaka: dont waste time trying to figure this out. use something that works and keep studyig for exam
[16:41:29] <PicCard> domutaka: which one are you preping for?
[16:41:42] <domutaka> PicCard:--> well my exam is after 6 months. but i would be gracious if someone help me here
[16:43:03] <PicCard> domutaka: was X working before?
[16:43:59] <toxic_> solaris also names hard drives hdX or sdX in /dev/ ?
[16:44:16] <Auralis> nope
[16:44:32] <toxic_> how should my 2 disk be named ?
[16:44:36] <Auralis> look in /dev/dsk/
[16:44:40] <domutaka> PicCard:--> i am preparing for sol 10 sys admin. and if lucky enough i will do 1 more exam
[16:45:35] <domutaka> PicCard:--> the x server was working fine. i did some trouble i think because i wanted to see the console login.
[16:45:58] <toxic_> many many files in /dev/dsk/
[16:46:28] <PicCard> domutaka: ok. go with virtualbox or qemu?
[16:46:31] <domutaka> PicCard:--> at the graphical prompt - i went to connsole login and after that it hasn't come back . i may have rebooted 10 times .
[16:46:40] <toxic_> any idea how to recognize temp (beside listing them, turning down and comparing) ?
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[16:47:08] <toxic_> *recognise them (my hard trives)
[16:47:12] <toxic_> *drives
[16:47:18] <Auralis> toxic_: solaris names its disk devices with Controler#Target#Device(LUN)#Slice# c0t0d0s0 would be the first controler, with the first drive and the frist slice
[16:47:18] <toxic_> sorry for typo
[16:47:34] <domutaka> PicCard:--> i dont think this problem is of " virtualization software" i think it may be some misconfiguration in os ? who knows
[16:47:48] <balbirs> How can I install gstreamer package in my opensolaris, audio doesn't seems to be working and asking me to get it installed
[16:47:50] <toxic_> Auralis, thx !
[16:48:25] <domutaka> after all solaris is thr best *** unix
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[16:50:17] <PicCard> domutaka:i doubt that. each virtualization software provides guest OS with different Hardware specs. I had this problem trying to emulate solaris 9 with vbox. but it worked with vmware/qemu. If vmware is not working the way it should, use something else. Installation only takes about 20 minutes anyhow
[16:50:40] <PicCard> domutaka: i suppose your PC is fast?
[16:51:22] <domutaka> PicCard:--> i checked the log at /var/svc/log/application-graphical-login-gdm . in it the svs  gdm is succesfully starting and stopping.
[16:52:06] <toxic_> Auralis, if the install programm of solaris don't list any hard drive, is there any possibility for me to find them somewhere else ? DeviceDriverUtility tells me there is no driver for my VIA IDE RAID adaptor (it's a standard noname pci-sata) adaptor
[16:52:41] <PicCard> domutaka: ..., install vmware-tools. Maybe it will help
[16:52:49] <domutaka> PicCard:--> you can say my pc is average. what do people here call a pc that' core 2 + 2gb .
[16:53:04] <Auralis> toxic_: might want to set the sata adapter into emulate ide mode and disable raid, both in the boards bios and try again
[16:53:26] <PicCard> domutaka: fast :), i have about same, but 4GB RAM
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[16:54:52] <domutaka> PicCard:--> but there is a simple logic --> the drivers which vmware provides  are capable only  *after* x server is started.{ i am talking about the graphics specillay} and my problem is i cant start the x
[16:55:06] <toxic_> I'm going to give a shot, but motherboard ave no sata (old one) so i've installed a sata adapter (on PCI), dunno if I can configure it... :-( Sadly, it works "native" on ubuntu... maybe I'll change the motherbord...
[16:55:50] <PicCard> domutaka: have you tried the vmware-tools?
[16:56:52] <Molle> hi, i just updated my system (in a vbox) from 2008.05 standard install to the most current version in ipkg, now solaris give tons of errors on startup and wont start X, whats the right way to update a 2008.05 system to current packages on opensolaris.org?
[16:57:44] <PicCard> domutaka: did you run a system update?
[16:57:57] <domutaka> well its giving error when i do  gunzip -bc file dest . it gives error that -b operand is not an  integer
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[16:58:24] <PicCard> domutaka: -cd
[16:58:32] <domutaka> Molle:--> same problem here
[16:58:41] <PicCard> domutaka: sorry bout that
[16:59:11] <PicCard> domutaka: gunzip -cd fil.tar.gz | tar -xf -
[16:59:20] <oxygene> Molle: isn't there a boot selection for the older system (using zfs snapshots)?
[16:59:36] <Molle> there is, but its broken too (because of init scripts misbehaving)
[16:59:48] <domutaka> PicCard:--> something is happening . its like the matrix but its in black.
[16:59:57] <PicCard> domutaka: gunzip -cd fil.tar.gz | tar xf -   , or this
[17:00:00] <Molle> oxygene: at least i forced to login as root
[17:00:07] <PicCard> domutaka: :)
[17:02:15] <domutaka> PicCard:--> i done this command   gunzip -cd vmware-tools....tar.gz /destination   and the matrix is still there
[17:02:51] <PicCard> domutaka: you missed the other part of is, | tar xf -
[17:03:08] <domutaka> PicCard:--> should i ctrl + z
[17:03:22] <PicCard> domutaka: this command is => gunzip -cd file.tar.gz | tar xf -
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[17:03:51] <PicCard> domutaka: control + C and then type, reset
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[17:03:56] <domutaka> PicCard:--> and where is the destination to extract
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[17:04:34] <PicCard> domutaka: somewhere you have write perm to
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[17:05:03] <domutaka> PicCard:--> i mean where in the command i specify destination.
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[17:06:19] <PicCard> domutaka: type in what is gave you. It will extract to current directory. if you want to extract to another directory, use -C /path/to/dir
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[17:08:39] <snejk> should ldd output something ?
[17:08:42] <snejk> just by itself
[17:09:00] <Auralis> no
[17:09:03] <snejk> thx
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[17:09:23] <snejk> i get this ld.so.1: /usr/bin/bash: fatal: /lib/libc.so.1: unknown file type
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[17:09:34] <snejk> nothing wrong with libc.so.1 what I can see
[17:09:57] <PicCard> domutaka: did you extract?
[17:10:01] <balbirs> how to install gstreamer package in opensolaris ?
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[17:10:49] <Auralis> snejk: file /lib/libc.so.1  what does that returns?
[17:10:52] <domutaka> hanged
[17:11:37] <PicCard> domutaka: what did you type?
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[17:12:19] <domutaka> the consle is not taking commands in vmare.  i just presses ctrl +c  and the black and white console turned to white and black
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[17:12:51] <PicCard> domutaka: type, reset and press Enter Key
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[17:14:05] <snejk> Auralis:
[17:14:10] <snejk>  /lib/libc.so.1: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1 [SSE2 SSE MMX CMOV AMD_SYSC FPU], dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available
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[17:15:27] <Auralis> snejk: looks fine and since file worked its ok as well. does ldd /lib/libc.so.1 works without error?
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[17:15:35] <domutaka> its not taking keyboard inpt
[17:15:49] <sletz> is ther something like "ldconfig" on Solaris... my exe do not see shared libraries...
[17:16:17] <PicCard> domutaka: use virtualbox or qemu.
[17:16:20] <snejk> Auralis:
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[17:16:25] <snejk> ldd /lib/libc.so.1
[17:16:26] <snejk>         libm.so.2 =>     /lib/libm.so.2
[17:16:41] <Auralis> man crle  but be carefull with it, and might want to learn to corretly build ya aps if you compile from source -R is ya friend :)
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[17:17:11] <Auralis> snejk: looks fine to me
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[17:17:25] <snejk> ahh
[17:17:28] <snejk> I found it
[17:17:53] <snejk> I got the error when I chroot /restore/data/zone/ddev1/root /bin/bash
[17:17:54] <Auralis> what was it?
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[17:18:02] <snejk> so its libc.so.1 in the chroot
[17:18:04] <PicCard> domutaka: you probably be done already with install, think about it
[17:18:05] <snejk> its 0
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[17:18:09] <Auralis> yeah, that will do it
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[17:18:32] <snejk> :(
[17:18:50] <Auralis> zones are good, zones are your friend :)
[17:18:52] <sletz> my shared lib got installed in /usr/local.. do i need to add this path somewhere? so that they are found when the exe start?
[17:19:26] <snejk> yes! works now :)
[17:19:37] <snejk> there I lost 2 hours b/c ldd
[17:19:55] <domutaka> ok. i leave . i am creating a new vm
[17:20:30] <snejk> tip: dont run > /lib/libm.so.2 or > /lib/libc.so.1
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[17:37:13] <holcomb> that's a protip!
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[17:38:28] <TomJ> also don't do:  ssh somebox "grep >> ~user/.history" when you want to find a command that used >>
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[17:41:31] <edgy_> Hi, I cannot understand the -perm option in find. e.g find . -perm +u+rwx displays files with 755 mode, what does this means?
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[17:48:10] <edgy_> can any one confirm this, please?
[17:48:42] <edgy_> In Linux rwx means read and write and execute, does it means any thing else in Solaris?
[17:49:22] <edgy_> ;)
[17:49:23] <tsoome> ?
[17:49:25] <smtms> edgy_, r, w and x are the same
[17:49:25] <tek-ops> edgy thats a POSIX standard
[17:49:26] <Auralis> no
[17:49:36] <tsoome> you cannot read man find?:)
[17:49:39] <tek-ops> if it doesnt mean the same, I would be nervous
[17:49:50] <tek-ops> ;)
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[17:52:43] <TrogL> ZFS question:  I've got a 4 Tb zpool with data sitting on it.  The PHB wants me to rename it but doesn't have 4Tb lying around for me create a new zpool.  I can't do a zpool export, zpool destroy, zpool create, zpool import and expect the data to still be there, right?
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[17:53:32] <tsoome> pool name and mountpoint name can be different
[17:53:42] <TrogL> he hates the pool name
[17:53:51] <tsoome> :D
[17:54:32] <TrogL> yeah, but he signs my paycheck
[17:54:57] <sipior> TrogL: i would ask him if he doesn't think he has something more important to worry about :-)
[17:55:05] <edgy_> I read the man find but it's not clear at all.
[17:55:05] <edgy_> a template is assumed an a + set the bits and the minus clears them, what's that?!
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[17:56:51] <tsoome> hm, btw, man zpool does give an hint: zpool import [-d dir] [-D] [-f] [-o opts] [-R root] pool |
[17:56:51] <tsoome>      id [newpool]
[17:57:22] <tsoome> if you use id on import, it should be possible to rename it;) never tryed it myself, tho
[17:57:33] <Aria> It works.
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[18:01:52] <PicCard> domutaka: working?
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[18:05:17] <edgy_> I was disconnected, any one gave me any clue to my question?
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[18:06:07] <tek-ops> edgy, about permission bits?
[18:06:13] <edgy> tek-ops: yes
[18:06:36] <tek-ops> I already did
[18:06:41] <tek-ops> thats a POSIX standard
[18:07:03] <tek-ops> so all (truly) POSIX compliant operating systems will hold true to that convention
[18:07:09] <tek-ops> shortly, yes
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[18:07:24] <tek-ops> if thats too short ... yes it's the same
[18:08:13] <tek-ops> in fact, I'm pretty sure solaris is older than linux, so it would almost be truer for solaris than linux if you add a time-based weight to validity
[18:08:14] <edgy> tek-ops: so find . +u+rwx would display files with rwx for user?
[18:08:27] <tek-ops> do man find ;)
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[18:08:48] <tek-ops> or http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?find
[18:09:13] <tek-ops> there, if you're in a GUI irc client you can just click that :)
[18:10:32] <edgy> tek-ops: touch file; chmod 700 file; find . +u+rwx don't display file, is that normal to you?
[18:11:57] <tek-ops> did you try find . u+rwx
[18:12:25] <tek-ops> instead of find . +u+rwx
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[18:13:02] <tek-ops> edgy?
[18:13:05] <edgy> tek-ops: yes I know. but I am trying to understand what + means
[18:13:18] <tek-ops> I highly recommend man pages
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[18:13:49] <tek-ops> I speak from experience in saying that information isn't retained as long when just told as compared to when researched
[18:14:02] <edgy> tek-ops: I am not the type of person who is afraid of man pages. It's just I couldn't understand the statement
[18:14:36] <tek-ops> oh I see
[18:14:55] <tek-ops> well to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure, I wouldn't have thought to precede with the leading +
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[18:15:58] <edgy> tek-ops: yes, my problem is in - and + for example -4000 works but +4000 gives error. the man page is not clear
[18:16:44] <edgy> tek-ops: the plus should give me files with 755 or 700 or 7xx as far as the first 7 is set, this is what I thought but it's not
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[18:21:36] <tek-ops> it behaves differently in linux?
[18:22:08] <edgy> tek-ops: to make my problem clearer find . +u+rwx shows files with 755 but 777, tek-ops: yes in linux it's very logical
[18:23:00] <edgy> tek-ops: to make my problem clearer find . +u+rwx shows files with 755 but not 700 or 777 or ...
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[18:24:17] <tek-ops> with "find . u+rwx" solaris 8, solaris 10, Linux (ubuntu) and darwin (os x) all behaved identically
[18:24:43] <tek-ops> all files with 7 for owner were printed
[18:24:50] <tek-ops> I can't help any more, best of luck
[18:25:14] <edgy> tek-ops: no
[18:25:24] <tek-ops> I literally just did it
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[18:25:36] <tek-ops> by the way, OpenSolaris and Solaris 10 aren't one in the same
[18:25:43] <edgy> tek-ops: in linux (ubuntu) + means any like /
[18:25:53] <tek-ops> i dont use preceding +
[18:25:53] <edgy> tek-ops: let me give you an example ...
[18:25:59] <tek-ops> no need, i have to run
[18:26:01] <tek-ops> good luck
[18:26:13] <edgy> tek-ops: ok
[18:28:50] <NCommander> Does anyone know why Solaris seems to suck so badly under VirtualBox, but works great on VMware/qemu?
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[18:38:10] <edgy> im_alone: because + means any
[18:38:38] <im_alone> yes, any x7xx
[18:38:49] <im_alone> it's, any ?rwx??????
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[18:40:12] <edgy> im_alone: use /0700 instead
[18:40:21] <edgy> im_alone: in linux + is deprecated now
[18:40:31] <im_alone> arghh!!! what means / ?
[18:41:14] <edgy> im_alone: /0700 means the user has rwx and group and other have whatever
[18:41:18] <im_alone> with / instead +, it prints the same error
[18:41:30] <edgy> im_alone: what error?
[18:41:49] <im_alone> the error is that it prints -rw------- and -rw-r--r--
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[18:44:47] <edgy> im_alone: 7 in case of folders 6 in case of files ;)
[18:45:35] <im_alone> i only wanted executable files, not regular files
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[18:47:09] <edgy> im_alone: then try -700
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[18:47:31] <im_alone> yes, it works!
[18:47:58] <edgy> im_alone: - means all bits are set
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[18:48:17] <edgy> im_alone: / means any so 7 means r or w or x or any combination
[18:48:25] <edgy> sorry if I confused  you before
[18:48:59] <im_alone> yes, a stupid confusion
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[18:55:17] <jamesd_Work>  does anyone know of a company that sells a new disk box  the equivalent of a d130 disk box with u160 or
[18:55:21] <jamesd_Work>                      u320 interface?
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[18:58:14] <hali> why would you want that
[18:58:17] <hali> 2510 should be fine
[18:58:24] <hali> and is quite cheap
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[19:17:44] <sstallion_work> morning/afternoon all
[19:18:53] <TomJ> evening
[19:18:58] <TomJ> :)
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[19:59:41] <gavino> the opensolaris basic admin guide starts talking about smc, but i dont think its installed, opensolaris 2008.05
[19:59:42] <gavino> erg
[19:59:45] <gavino> what now?
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[20:22:28] <sstallion_work> gavino: heh. use SXCE?
[20:22:49] <_mary_kate_> or dont use smc
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[20:53:35] <gavino> uh
[20:53:38] <gavino> 2008.05
[20:53:41] <gavino> amd64
[20:54:36] <gavino> wow there is some serious crap goign on with hadoop and berkeley db here
[20:54:46] <gavino> at work
[20:54:55] <bda> ?
[20:55:09] <gavino> just got out fo a datawarehoue meeting
[20:55:13] <gavino> of-
[20:56:38] <codestr0m> can I use crle to add  /opt/foo/lib to the ld path.. I don't want to break anything... and there's no ldconfig to run..
[20:57:20] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: use elfedit
[20:57:51] <gavino> if dhcp is not responding on 2008.05 how do I restart dhcp?
[20:58:05] <gavino> it ok now but I used the kludgy reboot fix
[20:58:10] <gavino> heh
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[20:59:01] <e^ipi> codestr0m: +1 to sstallion_work's comment
[20:59:10] <e^ipi> don't fuck with crle or LD_FOO
[20:59:16] <codestr0m> I'm reading  http://blogs.sun.com/ali/entry/avoiding_ld_library_path_the now
[20:59:16] <e^ipi> just fix your binaries
[20:59:23] <e^ipi> or better still, build your binaries right
[20:59:28] <codestr0m> yeah. I assumed this and why I asked first
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[21:00:11] <codestr0m> e^ipi: configure: error: libpthread not found! earlier this required a patch, but I'm trying to dig out the spec file and any patches which may be needed now (authors haven't gotten back to me yet)
[21:00:21] <codestr0m> by earlier I mean for another program
[21:01:03] <gavino> for 2008.05 is there an online ftp stie i can pull lots of binaries down from? or must I got and get source for anything
[21:01:41] <codestr0m> gavino: binaries or you mean iso?
[21:02:19] <gavino> i mean like say I dunno i want tcl
[21:02:25] <gavino> [don't throw rocks]
[21:02:31] <gavino> do I have to grab n compile?
[21:02:36] <gavino> I mean Im ok with that
[21:02:38] <codestr0m> gavino: pkg search -r tcl
[21:02:49] <codestr0m> pkg install foo
[21:02:55] <gavino> ah so its liek bss
[21:03:00] <codestr0m> the gui may or may not work. I don't know
[21:03:41] <gavino> bsd
[21:03:49] <gavino> ok that gave an interesting response
[21:04:07] <gavino> pkg search -r tcl INDEX      ACTION    VALUE                     PACKAGE basename   dir       usr/share/doc/snack-2.2.10/examples/tcl pkg:/SUNWsnack at 2 dot 2.10-0.95
[21:04:20] <gavino> snack?
[21:04:22] <gavino> hm
[21:04:58] <gavino> looks like compiling might be safer here
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[21:07:02] <gavino> does opensolaris have its own c compiler?
[21:07:16] <gavino> wow gcc 3.4 is old
[21:08:13] <gavino> August 27, 2008     GCC 4.3.2 has been released.
[21:08:21] <e^ipi> if gcc didn't insist on breaking it's ABI so much, maybe it would be updated
[21:08:25] <e^ipi> but they do, so we don't
[21:08:36] <e^ipi> besides, sun studio is a far superior compiler
[21:08:38] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: that doesn't really make sense, if that was the issue, just create /usr/gcc/4.3/
[21:09:10] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: and where do you dump libraries compiled with that?
[21:09:19] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: wherever i want?
[21:09:34] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: same place i put mysql 5.0 databases that are incompatible with 4.0, or pg 8.2 databases that are incompatible with 8.1
[21:10:12] <gavino> how do i get sun studio again?
[21:10:12] <e^ipi> *shrug* put together a case and fight with ARC about it
[21:10:51] <e^ipi> gavino: pkg install studio-dev ?
[21:10:54] <e^ipi> or ss-dev
[21:10:56] <e^ipi> i don't remember
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[21:11:48] <e^ipi> ahh, it's ss-dev
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[21:15:06] <gavino> damn
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[21:15:59] <e^ipi> <@e^ipi> ahh, it's ss-dev
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[21:16:23] <codestr0m> gavino: e^ipi are you sure? pkg info sunstudioexpress
[21:16:35] <spo0ner>  g'day everyone...I'm trying to see if there is a way to list files and/or directories in a compressed flar
[21:16:51] <spo0ner> I don't want to extract per se...I just want to see if a particular directory and it's accompanying data was included in the flar
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[21:17:51] <e^ipi> codestr0m: ss-dev pulls in SUNWhea and SUNWsprot as well
[21:18:15] <gavino> pkg install sunstudioexpress ok this si doing something
[21:18:16] <e^ipi> codestr0m: headers and assembler/linker
[21:18:24] <codestr0m>  SUNWheat ? where's SUNOats :P
[21:18:30] <e^ipi> gavino: fine, ignore what i say.
[21:18:35] <gavino> now once sun studio downloads will make be setup?
[21:18:41] <codestr0m> gavino: listen to him
[21:18:45] <gavino> ok
[21:18:48] <e^ipi> and when you can't compile things, then do what you should've done in the first place.
[21:19:04] <codestr0m> gavino: you're in for fun if you plan to build anything. I strongly recommend against it
[21:19:08] <gavino> sorry my browser droped adn i had to reconnect to irc
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[21:19:45] <gavino> so I should not install sunstudioexpress?
[21:19:54] <codestr0m> ss-dev
[21:20:19] <gavino> ok so install ss-dev instead?
[21:20:28] <e^ipi> yes.
[21:20:49] <gavino> ok how do i remove sunstudioexpress?
[21:21:03] <e^ipi> don't worry about it
[21:22:18] <gavino> heh ok ss-dev on the way
[21:22:41] <gavino> once down will make etc be in the path
[21:22:57] <gavino> Im a linux admin so I know make install clean etc but not the inner demonology of c toolchain
[21:23:09] <e^ipi> you'll probably want to use gmake
[21:23:15] <gavino> ok
[21:23:22] <gavino> most packages ask for that
[21:23:26] <gavino> ok
[21:23:32] <gavino> cool thanks d00dz
[21:23:33] <e^ipi> open-source people don't tend to try to write portable makefiles
[21:23:46] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: sure they do. just not the lazy ones ;)
[21:24:08] <e^ipi> fair enough
[21:24:17] <gavino> I noticed 2008.05 doesn't have top........I used vmstat 1....do hardcore admins not use top?
[21:24:25] <sstallion_work> I refuse to use autotools, so I end up spending a bit of time working on portable Makefiles
[21:24:46] <gavino> sstallion_work: why do you refuse to use autotools?
[21:24:54] <codestr0m> gavino: look for the rosetta stone for this stuff. I forget what you'll need to google for
[21:24:55] <gavino> do they cause problemas?
[21:24:59] <codestr0m> prstat == top
[21:25:16] <e^ipi> autobreak sucks.
[21:25:40] <e^ipi> and it's not 'hardcore admins' that don't use top, it's just that we have a better tool
[21:26:21] <Dominic> codestr0m, gavino: simply Unix rosetta stone
[21:26:53] <gavino> http://bhami.com/rosetta.html ?
[21:26:59] <codestr0m> Dominic: yeah I don't need anymore, but I knew you could find it like that or something
[21:29:08] <gavino> I feel comfortable and no pain
[21:29:14] <gavino> opensoalris 2008.05 is nice
[21:29:37] <spo0ner> has anyone used BeLinix?
[21:29:38] <gavino> wow and vmstat 1 even lines up nicely!! unlike archlinux where the stuff is not lined up to columns
[21:29:49] <spo0ner> I hope it's not a bad word in this room
[21:29:58] <spo0ner> just was curious
[21:30:09] <e^ipi> why would it be a bad word?
[21:30:26] <sstallion_work> spo0ner: heh, only if you spell it incorrectly :P
[21:30:28] <sstallion_work> belenix
[21:30:29] <spo0ner> some rooms (think #solaris) are pretty critical about what is said
[21:30:38] <e^ipi> yeah, but #solaris is a cesspool
[21:30:48] <spo0ner> lol
[21:31:12] <gavino> lol
[21:31:20] <spo0ner> I'm more familiar with Linux than Solaris but have been working on learning as much as I can
[21:31:36] <gavino> I think solaris admins have bigger should chip than linux
[21:31:50] <spo0ner> I run Ubuntu on my laptop and was thinking about putting Belenix on there instead
[21:31:56] <TrogL> dumb question: You can aggregate NICs for better throughput.  Can you aggregate HBA's?  I'm hooking to an HP SAN, they're short on LUNs and can't give me raw disk.
[21:32:07] <gavino> I am running 2008.05 on my desktop
[21:32:10] <gavino> and life iz good
[21:32:17] <spo0ner> but what about laptop?
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[21:32:32] <e^ipi> TrogL: MPxIO ?
[21:32:32] <gavino> there is soem hardware scan thing
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[21:34:03] <e^ipi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPxIO
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[21:36:04] <TrogL> e^ipi: you're right.  that might work.  I'll find out if HP supports it on their side.
[21:36:14] * TrogL mutters imprecations about HP SANs
[21:36:23] <e^ipi> buy Sun kit.
[21:36:24] <e^ipi> ;)
[21:36:52] <TrogL> e^ipi: tell purchasing.  they buy low bid
[21:37:03] <TrogL> ignore specs
[21:37:28] <e^ipi> write your purchase orders so specifically that there's only one possible vendor that can satisfy it
[21:37:38] <e^ipi> like how the government does it
[21:37:47] <TrogL> i *AM* government.
[21:38:01] <e^ipi> shit.
[21:38:04] * e^ipi runs
[21:38:09] <spo0ner> lol
[21:38:27] <spo0ner> it's the MAN!!! hide your HD's
[21:39:23] <TrogL> it's illegal for us to write a spec like that.  even then they ignore it.
[21:39:47] <TrogL> or they rewrite the spec behind our backs so more vendors qualify
[21:40:28] <TrogL> so I'm stuck with the stupid thing
[21:41:34] <gavino> damn
[21:41:39] <gavino> littel buggers eh
[21:41:50] <gavino> sounds like someone is being paid
[21:41:55] <spo0ner> government at it's finest
[21:42:04] <gavino> so how come pkg info -r webserver doesnt come back with anything
[21:42:12] <smtms> TrogL, you should write the spec so that the preferred vender would have the lowest bid
[21:42:20] <gavino> got greace some palms
[21:42:27] <spo0ner> not always the "lowest" bid either
[21:42:49] <spo0ner> I'm willing to bet it doesn't even matter what specs are written
[21:42:56] <smtms> haha :-)
[21:43:09] <spo0ner> $1000 hammer does the same job as the Home Depot $9 special
[21:43:14] <spo0ner> but they still buy the $1000 hammer
[21:43:22] <gavino> somebody gains
[21:43:31] <gavino> greace the wheels of commerce
[21:44:03] <spo0ner> sometimes I think they use KY to grease the wheels just so it adds to the overall effect
[21:44:16] <e^ipi> spo0ner: it's the government. the "$1000 hammer" is actually probably just something classified
[21:44:21] <e^ipi> 'hammer' is a code word
[21:44:23] <gavino> heh that could eb the missing link
[21:44:29] <gavino> so uh
[21:44:29] <spo0ner> if you're going to be F**ked, it might as well be symbolic
[21:44:42] <spo0ner> probably
[21:44:45] <gavino> where is the sun java system webserver!! in pkg info -r
[21:45:00] <spo0ner> is that how the Hummer got it's name?
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[21:45:11] <spo0ner> maybe it was a secret project for the Department of Interior
[21:45:13] <e^ipi> gavino: it's no in the repo
[21:45:17] <gavino> see the google video of a 400,000 $ robot for finding land mines? it get exploded lol
[21:45:31] <spo0ner> thats where all that confusion came from in the investigation  =o)
[21:45:41] <gavino> one 18 year old marine goes "there goes liek7 years of my pay"
[21:46:24] <gavino> i heard land mine are reliable
[21:46:28] <gavino> ;)
[21:46:55] <gavino> stand back im running pkg image-update
[21:47:06] <gavino> [not sure if this gets me new kernel n stuff ]
[21:47:06] <spo0ner> planned obsolescence at it's best
[21:47:15] <comay> gavino, did you read the release notes before running image-update?
[21:47:21] <gavino> nope
[21:47:26] <gavino> heh
[21:47:32] <e^ipi> you probably should
[21:47:33] <gavino> er where are they?
[21:47:37] <gavino> oh crap
[21:47:51] <comay> please do, it's important
[21:47:53] <comay> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/
[21:47:56] <victori_> I am trying to unmount a pool's partition and I keep getting... not currently mounted
[21:47:59] <gavino> ok leme cancel it
[21:48:06] <victori_> zfs list has the pool partition listed as mounted
[21:48:08] <e^ipi> there was an IPS bug whose result is an image-update turning your system in to a brick.
[21:48:15] <spo0ner> I was going to get RTFM for my license plate but it wasn't allowed because one of the interpretations was using the F word
[21:48:22] <spo0ner> so I got PEBKAC instead
[21:48:29] <victori_> e^ipi: which update?
[21:48:40] <e^ipi> victori_: pkg image-update
[21:48:47] <e^ipi> on indiana
[21:48:47] <victori_> which snv release
[21:48:50] <victori_> I meant
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[21:48:57] <e^ipi> 2008.05
[21:49:04] <victori_> oh fro 86->
[21:49:04] <e^ipi> sin_86 , the first release
[21:49:07] <victori_> ya
[21:49:30] <victori_> I am ripping out my hair, zfs list has a partition listed as mounted, when I try to unmount it, it says the partition isn't mounted
[21:49:32] <victori_> ...wtf?!
[21:49:42] <codestr0m> victori_: *cough*
[21:50:02] <victori_> pool1/opt   18K   457G    18K  /export/pool1/opt  ...  cannot unmount 'pool1/opt': not currently mounted
[21:50:06] <victori_> yo
[21:50:12] <victori_> seriously..arg...
[21:50:12] <gavino> Im on 2008.05
[21:50:16] <gavino> am i home free?
[21:50:37] <e^ipi> gavino: no
[21:50:39] <Dominic> victori_: zfs set mountpoint=none pool1/opt
[21:50:54] <e^ipi> mountpoint is a property
[21:51:00] <victori_> ah thanks
[21:51:58] <Dominic> actually, zfs also has an unmount, can't say I've ever used it though
[21:54:14] <victori_> Dominic: still nothing..
[21:54:23] <victori_> that just unset the mount point
[21:54:28] <victori_> still unable to unmount the partition
[21:55:24] <Dominic> perhaps I don't understand what you're trying to do.  How unmounted do you want it?  Did you look at the unmount option I just mentioned as an alternative?
[21:55:39] <Dominic> (in zfs(1m))
[21:55:54] <victori_> Dominic: unmount pool and partition
[21:55:56] <victori_> destroy the pool
[21:56:10] <gavino> e^ipi: ok i am following the procedure thanks
[21:56:40] <Dominic> victori_: oh, then you should just be able to call zpool destroy, shouldn't need to try and unmount every ZFS file system you have in the pool.
[21:57:08] <victori_> cannot destroy 'pool1/opt': dataset is busy
[21:57:18] <victori_> it isn't busy.
[21:57:21] <victori_> but it says so
[21:58:17] <victori_> I did do a zfs receive to pool1/opt as a test, maybe that got it stuck in that state.
[21:58:21] <victori_> import was successful
[21:59:33] <victori_> fairly frustrating.
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[22:01:55] <victori_> zfs get mounted has it listed as no, but it  is busy?
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[22:03:06] <squiddy> hi. anyone can help me with installing vmware tools for opensolaris running on vmware ?
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[22:05:25] <squiddy> it says to locate 'lsmod' manually
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[22:10:06] <tomww> squiddy: lsmod isn't in Solaris, only in Linux. Solaris has modinfo.
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[22:10:51] <squiddy> tomww: i see..
[22:11:19] <squiddy> any solutions tough ?
[22:11:54] <squiddy> though*
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[22:14:48] <tomww> use the solaris package in hte vmware tools-iso-image
[22:15:07] <tomww> e.g. pkgadd -d /patch/to/mounted/image
[22:15:27] <tomww> this sould ask you if you want to install the packages found
[22:15:33] <tomww> *should
[22:15:59] <tomww> (it's ages since I last installed a vmware client, so this is just to get the idea)
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[22:17:35] <squiddy> tomww: thanks mate. i'll try it first
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[22:39:43] <alanc> for those who haven't seen the mail: OpenSolaris Community Innovation Awards winners announced: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/awards_land/Entries/ - Student Grants: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/awards/awards_research_land/Proposals/
[22:40:06] <alanc> I see a few regulars here in the list, like leal - grats to them
[22:40:31] <e^ipi> neato
[22:41:01] <alanc> genunix.org won the grand prize
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[22:41:28] <e^ipi> well, they're a pretty well-used community resource
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[22:42:05] <alanc> looks like leal won for three separate entries, which is impressive
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[22:55:45] <spo0ner> have a good night all...thanks again for the help earlier
[22:55:48] <gavino> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ is the Be part here in step 4-6 needed?
[22:55:51] <gavino> or just the step 7 stuff?
[22:55:51] <gavino> im upgrade 2008.05 86 opensolaris
[22:55:51] <gavino> upgrading
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[22:56:04] <e^ipi> it is all required
[22:56:07] <gavino> beadm has imply opensolaris not opensolaris-1
[22:56:13] <gavino> simple-
[22:56:16] <gavino> simply-
[22:56:17] <gavino> ok
[22:56:26] <e^ipi> if it weren't required, it wouldn't be there
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[22:59:58] <SplasPood> hrm...  I used a USB cdrom to install which has since been disconnected...  I expected all the disk names cXtXdX to shuffle back down one after the cdrom was removed and the machine rebooted but it seems there's just simply a gap in the middle (it's an X4500.. i have a c8tXdX for example..)  what can be done to correct this?
[23:00:29] <TrogL> can you do a zfs snapshot by mount name?  zfs snapshot vg01/lvol01@20080918 is a little generic for my (dumb) users
[23:00:32] <Auralis>  it is the designed behavior, why do you want to change it?
[23:00:41] <holcomb> live with it.  it won't be that bad.
[23:01:21] <SplasPood> Auralis: heh because I had my zpool create statement all ready to go now I need to  change it ;)
[23:01:50] <SplasPood> TrogL: why not rename your volumes?
[23:03:37] <SplasPood> Auralis: if I ... wanted to ignore the designed behavior and force it to shuffle.... how would I?
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[23:04:31] <sommerfeld> SplasPood: there isn't a stable interface to do that.  the state is kept persistent in files in /etc including /etc/path_to_inst.  if you screw it up you'll probably have to reinstall.l
[23:04:31] <TrogL> SpasPood: good lord, I wouldn't want that.  I had that happen to me and all my tape drives moved.  Legato failed.  it was a nightmare
[23:05:08] <SplasPood> sommerfeld: ahh ok...   and here I was all concerned that when I removed the cdrom I'd have to fix up stuff since the root disk would change positions
[23:05:35] <SplasPood> TrogL: at least in my case the system isn't in production yet
[23:06:44] <TrogL> SpasPood:  we want generic volume names and informative mount points.
[23:07:52] <sommerfeld> TrogL: i've generally found having the fileset names and mount points be related has been better for my sanity.
[23:08:10] <seanmcg> SplasPood, you could have used the virtual cdrom instead for installing the x4500
[23:08:57] <SplasPood> seanmcg: it was easier at the time to just plug in the cdrom I had sitting near by...   Never used the virtual...   What methods can it use to pull the image?
[23:09:10] <TrogL> somerfeld:  crap.  and I just won that argument, although that was mostly over the zpool names.
[23:09:30] <seanmcg> you point it to an iso image
[23:09:34] <SplasPood> TrogL: you could write a simple wrapper that did the lookup for ya so you could rename based upon the mount\
[23:09:37] <SplasPood> seanmcg: via http?
[23:10:30] <seanmcg> i.e. login to the webinterface to the x4500's SP, launch the remote KVM and from there select an iso.  not use how the transport (be it http or other) is done
[23:10:38] <seanmcg> not sure even
[23:10:40] <sommerfeld> SplasPood: connect to the service processor with a web browser; it feeds you a java applet which runs locally and talks to the service processor.
[23:11:05] <TrogL> SplasPood:  actually I was going to give the users a bunch of scripts
[23:11:54] <SplasPood> sommerfeld: ahh
[23:12:06] <seanmcg> TrogL, timf's automated snapshots could help you in terms of already written scripts.. ?
[23:12:33] <SplasPood> hrm this is interesting... I have c0,c1,c5,c6,c7,c8
[23:12:35] <TrogL> seanmcg: yeah, I saw them.  thanks
[23:12:39] <SplasPood> wonder why it gap'd that way
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[23:17:36] <TrogL> Scenario: 4 ORACLE and 1 GIS+backup server each have SAN partitions.  SAN guys pissed.  Would 4 ORACLE servers mounting 1 GIS server zpools thru gig-ether NICs (possible aggregated) work?
[23:18:25] <sommerfeld> TrogL: mounting how?  NFS?  iSCSI?
[23:18:39] <TrogL> NFS to zfs partitions (not zpools)
[23:20:52] <TrogL> goal - reduce storage, zfs resource management, keep the backup data local
[23:21:03] <TrogL> reduce LUNS, ports used
[23:21:23] <_mary_kate_> i'm not quite clear on what you mean by 'NFS to zfs partitions (not zpools)'
[23:21:41] <_mary_kate_> you'll export ZFS filesystems via NFS and mount them elsewhere to put oracle data on?
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[23:21:54] <TrogL> _mary_kate_:yes
[23:22:49] <TrogL> pitfalls: single point of failure, can the GIS server HBA handle the traffic, will ORACLE timeout
[23:23:10] <sommerfeld> so, why are the SAN guys pissed?
[23:23:37] <TrogL> I'm taking up too much storage, I've filled all the ports, theyu're running out of LUNs
[23:23:44] <postwait> TrogL: I wouldn't run Oracle on NFS on ZFS.
[23:24:00] <postwait> I'd do Oracle to iSCSI to ZFS first.
[23:24:37] <TrogL> I don't think the SAN supports iSCSI.  can I do that on a V490?
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[23:30:17] <tomww> TrogL: iSCSI on a V490?
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[23:32:29] <postwait> TrogL: No..  run ZFS and export zvols over iSCSI to your Oracle DBs.
[23:32:32] <postwait> "be the san"
[23:32:50] <tomww> Solaris 10 can use iSCSI (as initiator / client) since long. Later releases add Target support (be the providing "server")
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[23:37:43] <sletz> hi, i use code that need Real-time access (SCHED_FIFO thread). Right now I need to start with "pfexec foo". What is the correct way to gaio  RT access for a process on Solaris?
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[23:40:57] <jmcp> SplasPood: re your controller numbering query - controllers get numbered based on their PCI (and/or SBUS) probe order, determined by bios or fcode
[23:41:30] <seanmcg> sletz, you need the proc_priocntl priv
[23:42:06] <SplasPood> jmcp: yea I paid closer attention to some of my other hosts and figured it out... just finished creating the new zpool actually
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[23:43:49] <victori_> anyway to destroy a pool that states: cannot destroy 'pool1/opt': dataset is busy
[23:43:53] <victori_> even though it isn't busy?
[23:44:06] <victori_> nor even mounted!
[23:44:38] <sletz> seanmcg: something to ass in the code, or somathing to use to start theb process?
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[23:44:53] <sletz> something to use sorry
[23:45:01] <seanmcg> sletz, sorry, ya setppriv() in the code.
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[23:46:22] <sletz> seanmcg: there is not way to set RT right for a given program?
[23:46:29] <seanmcg> and settings in /etc/security/exec_attr and thereabouts..
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[23:47:50] <victori_> anyone know how to offline a stuck in busy pool?
[23:47:56] <victori_> forcing it does nothing
[23:48:09] <victori_> I am thinking of using dd to write directly to disk node to corrupt it at this point
[23:50:23] <tomww> SplasPood: the controller numbers get reserved via entries (devicepaths with instance-numbers) in /etc/patch_to_inst, then symlinks in /dev/cfg/ and probably by entires in /etc/device.tab /etc/devlink.tab .... one goal is not to accidentially use a name twice if a device is missing ob the whole machine reconfigured dynamicly (tricking the controller names isn't something I would recommend :-) )
[23:51:58] <seanmcg> sletz, sorry gotta go. but theres nothing really wrong with using pfexec to start it in th RT class is there ?
[23:53:14] <tomww> (and /dev/.devlink_db)
[23:55:02] <sletz> seanmcg: don't know... i was wondering it there is something similat to what limit.cinf allows on Linux
[23:55:07] <sletz> limit.conf
[23:55:25] <victori_> anyway of destroying a stuck "busy" pool?
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[23:55:36] <victori_> some snv94 bug where it is unable to destroy it
[23:56:12] <sletz> seanmcg: that allows to set rtprio, memlock, and so on for a given "group"
[23:56:44] <victori_> pool1/opt  mounted   no ;  cannot destroy 'pool1/opt': dataset is busy  ... right...
[23:57:04] <victori_> epic zfs fail.
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