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[00:14:23] <houst0n-> Hi folks
[00:14:48] <xRaich[o]2x> hi houst0n-
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[00:15:16] <houst0n-> I think I may actually be losing my mind... I have a netra which I just _CANNOT_ get on the network
[00:15:38] <houst0n-> I'm seeing lots of this: http://rafb.net/p/VOV6zA53.html with snoop and nothing else :/
[00:15:42] <houst0n-> any suggestions?
[00:16:06] <houst0n-> If i say, ping 10.0.0.2 with 1 as the defroute
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[00:17:20] <houst0n-> I've done this hundreds of times before... I'm not exactly sure wtf is causing this one though :|
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[00:26:31] <RElling1> houst0n-: OS rev?
[00:26:57] <houst0n-> Well, solaris 10 actually (I know this isn't the right place for that...)
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[00:28:07] <houst0n-> guh, and one reboot later - it all works
[00:28:11] <houst0n-> I guess we'll never know :/
[00:28:28] <RElling1> probably a flim-flam in the borkend0rkin
[00:29:20] <houst0n-> I kinda wish it hadn't - I've been at that for hours
[00:29:25] <seanmcg> cosmic ray more like, they tend to hit just right.
[00:29:26] <houst0n-> should have rebooted it earlier I guess.....
[00:33:23] <jbk> sunspots
[00:33:43] <jbk> (no pun intended)
[00:33:59] <houst0n-> Good call *turns on some nine inch nails*
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[00:37:28] <jbk> as you dry off? :)
[00:37:43] <jbk> (I saw that as someone who still doesn't have power or running water at his apartment)
[00:38:01] <jbk> err say
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[01:17:09] <Fullmoon> I have a problem with BEADM - I am unable to create any environment at all: http://gist.github.com/10931 trussing beadm: http://gist.github.com/10935 -- maybe someone can have a quick look? :)
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[01:38:37] <e^ipi> heya tim
[01:39:03] <timsf> yo
[01:39:25] <e^ipi> how goes?
[01:40:00] <timsf> Not too bad - yourself? Enjoying life at Sun so far?
[01:40:17] <timsf> [ I liked mjnelson's intro mail ;-) ]
[01:40:26] <e^ipi> heh, yeah
[01:40:30] <e^ipi> i got a laugh out of it
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[01:44:33] <e^ipi> i didn't know you were on that team actually
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[01:45:50] <timsf> I'm kinda not - but given as we xvm folk have been using hg ages before ON was, I figured it'd be prudent
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[01:46:21] <timsf> [ and we're using older cdm code as well, which is a near daily source of angst ]
[01:46:44] <timsf> one of these days I'll get us up to the latest bits :-/
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[01:52:10] <e^ipi> i like the cdm extensions
[01:52:17] <e^ipi> are they outside the firewall at all?
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[01:57:47] <timsf> e^ipi: absolutely yes - http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/tools/onbld/hgext/cdm.py
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[01:58:00] <e^ipi> ahh, neato
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[02:53:47] <noyb> alanc: congrats on the putback
[02:53:58] <alanc> heh, thanks
[02:54:14] <alanc> only took 9 1/2 years at Sun to get my first ON putback done
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[02:54:32] <noyb> yeah, I got that tweet
[02:54:53] <alanc> it was just adding one line to /etc/services for vnc-server
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[02:55:15] <alanc> but first small steps, then big ones...
[02:55:25] <noyb> massive, sweeping, changes.  don't rock the boat so hard, alan!
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[02:57:06] <noyb> I made a man page fix once...   through another engineer.   It's right up there on the mantle with your little trophy.  :-)
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[02:58:28] <noyb> It's actually lots and lots of little cleaner-shrimps like us that make the whole thing work.  ;-)
[02:58:29] <alanc> I've had changes go into ON before that I put into the suggested fix in a bug report and the engineer who took it used
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[03:00:06] <noyb> yeah, but this was like...  unsupervised personal putback.  it's still very cool.
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[03:02:35] <alanc> of course, all the ON gatekeepers and most of the C-Team know where to find me if I screwed up...
[03:03:08] <noyb> bummer...   no duck and cover.  They will find you.
[03:03:54] <e^ipi> you've evacuated *cough*
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[03:04:00] <e^ipi> for safety reasons
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[03:08:10] <timsf> (damn killed the wrong client)
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[03:21:19] <balbirs> Hi, I am getting
[03:21:20] <balbirs> bash-3.00# uname -v
[03:21:20] <balbirs> Generic_120012-14
[03:21:20] <balbirs> bash-3.00# grep Solaris /etc/release
[03:21:20] <balbirs>                         Solaris 10 8/07 s10x_u4wos_12b X86
[03:22:05] <balbirs> what is the meaning of 120012-14 and s10x_u4wos_12b ?
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[03:23:11] <Fullmoon> Is it possible to update a system to a specific opensolaris version and not the latest?
[03:23:26] <e^ipi> so long as you've got the DVD's for it yeah
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[03:23:48] <e^ipi> balbirs: patch level
[03:24:01] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: I can use a local source for pkg?
[03:24:06] <e^ipi> not yet
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[03:25:20] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: Then I would another upgrade method instead of pkg?
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[03:27:53] <McBofh> Fullmoon: OpenSolaris2008.05, or SXCE?
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[03:28:02] <Fullmoon> McBofh: 2008.05
[03:28:12] <McBofh> there's an img-update subcommand, iirc
[03:28:19] <McBofh> and I'm pretty sure you can give it a build number
[03:28:29] <McBofh> but since I don't use it myself just yet, I'm not 100% on that
[03:29:01] <balbirs> yeah, Generic_120012-14 is the patch level, what is s10x_u4wos_12b ?
[03:29:30] <McBofh> build 12b of Solaris 10 Update 4 on the x64/x86 platform
[03:29:39] <McBofh> 120012-14 is the kernel patch rev
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[03:30:44] <balbirs> thanks McBofh
[03:30:49] <Chipdancer> McBofh: congratulations on getting arcmsr into build 99
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[03:32:28] <mgedisman> Hello everyone.
[03:32:29] <mgedisman> =)
[03:33:08] <McBofh> Chipdancer: thankyou
[03:33:16] <McBofh> hi mgedisman
[03:33:29] <mgedisman> Hello McBofh.
[03:33:38] <McBofh> mgedisman: how's your nic going>
[03:33:38] <McBofh> ?
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[03:33:48] <TomJ> McBofh: you work on Areca code?
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[03:34:31] <mgedisman> McBofh: Well, I just got back home from work. I'll have dinner and then keep playing with Solaris.
[03:34:35] <McBofh> TomJ: have done
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[03:34:40] <McBofh> mgedisman: ok
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[03:34:54] <TomJ> cool, those are nice cards.
[03:35:19] <Fullmoon> I found my beadm problem :) I could not create new environments because /rpool and /rpool/ROOT/ were not mounted
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[03:41:38] * McBofh frowns
[03:41:39] <McBofh> the heads up message hasn't made it to opensolaris.org yet :(
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[04:33:57] <mgedisman> Why when I run OS on a VM I can see my Ethernet board and when I run the OS alone I can't?
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[04:37:36] <e^ipi> they use different drivers
[04:37:44] <mgedisman> oh :(
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[04:41:25] <e^ipi> see if murayama has some driver for your NIC
[04:41:48] <e^ipi> http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
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[04:46:46] <mgedisman> @e^ipi: I found the drivers. I just don't know how to install them =(
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[04:47:08] <e^ipi> they come with instructions
[04:47:33] <e^ipi> you can probably skip the compiling bits and go straight to the install part
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[04:49:58] <mgedisman> Oh, I see. Well, I've installed a VM so I might try and practice the install.
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[05:02:34] <mgedisman> How do I connect to the internet on Solaris?
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[05:11:29] <mgedisman> =(
[05:11:47] <mgedisman> McBofh?
[05:12:35] <McBofh> on the phone
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[05:20:32] <mgedisman> Oh.
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[05:25:33] <e^ipi> i don't have an internal phone number :(
[05:26:12] <mgedisman> Should I disable the NWAM to connect to the www?
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[05:33:27] <Fullmoon> Any way to make zfs recompress existing files?
[05:33:43] <e^ipi> copy them, and then delete the originals
[05:33:43] <bda> Move them.
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[05:34:04] <e^ipi> bda: that'll just change the pointer around
[05:34:04] <bda> Hm, or would mv do it.
[05:34:06] <bda> Yeah.
[05:35:47] <Fullmoon> Touching is not enough?
[05:35:52] <Fullmoon> Damn :)
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[05:37:18] <bda> Heh.
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[05:41:04] <shu> hi, I'm new to solaris, can someone tell me how to know the contents of installed package(list files that constitute a installed packag), thanks
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[05:42:41] <McBofh> pkgchk -nv nameofpackage
[05:42:42] <McBofh> generally
[05:42:58] <McBofh> though if you've installed OpenSolaris2008.05 I dunno
[05:43:12] <Gekz> haha
[05:43:15] <McBofh> mgedisman: you shouldn't need to disable nwam to connect to the rest of the world
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[05:45:57] <shu> McBofh:  pkgchk -nv <package name> just like "pkgchk -l <package name> | grep Pathname, it just list the directory name where the files go, no detail of which file installed.
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[05:47:06] <McBofh> shu: ah, sorry - forgot that pkgchk is sending its output to stderr
[05:47:18] <McBofh> you need      pkgchk -nv nameofpkg 2>&1 |grep pathname
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[05:48:34] <McBofh> or alternatively, pkgchk -lp pathname
[05:48:42] <McBofh> which is what's in tfm for pkgchk(1m)
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[05:52:00] <shu> McBofh: I've tried "pkgchk -lp SUNWsmbac" or "pkgchk -nv SUNWsmbac 2>&1 |grep pathname", but still in vain...
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[05:53:13] <McBofh> shu: (a) are you sure you've got the right package name? (b) does the pathname actually exist on your system?
[05:53:48] <shu> McBofh: yes, I the package name form "pkginfo | grep samba"
[05:54:16] <shu> I just like to know which files belong to SUNWsmbac
[05:55:22] <McBofh> so why did you want to grep for a pathname?
[05:55:33] <McBofh> pkgchk -nv nameofpackage works fine
[05:55:34] <shu> McBofh: I'm looking command like "dpkg -L packagename" or something like "rpm -ql packagename"
[05:55:51] <McBofh> those are linux distro commands that I have no idea about
[05:55:57] <McBofh> and frankly I'm not interested in finding out
[05:56:10] <McBofh> what about "pkgchk -nv nameofpackage" is not providing what you seek?
[05:56:13] <shu> McBofh: sorry, I said I ma new to solaris
[05:56:39] <McBofh> I believe that's irrelevant
[05:57:11] <shu> McBofh: yes, "pkgchk -nv nameofpackage" can just give me the directories name, but no contents of the package.
[05:57:34] <McBofh> it does for me
[05:58:07] <McBofh> oh hang on, you've installed OpenSolaris2008.05, haven't you
[05:58:24] <e^ipi> marketing strikse again!
[05:58:28] <shu> "pkgchk -nv "SUNWsmbac" said : /usr /usr/sfw /usr/sfw/bin
[05:59:13] <shu> ?no, I'm install solaris 10(is it different??"
[05:59:18] <McBofh> shu: http://rafb.net/p/KQsp7n40.html
[05:59:22] <McBofh> yes, Solaris10 is *very* different
[05:59:36] <shu> ..... :( ooops
[05:59:57] <McBofh> how about you pastebin the output from        pkgchk -nv SUNWsmbac
[06:00:10] <McBofh> that way we could have a discussion based on facts that aren't being "interpreted" prior to delivery
[06:00:18] <shu> I thought it is the same sort of solaris.
[06:00:47] <shu> bash-3.00# pkgchk -nv SUNWsmbac
[06:00:47] <shu> /usr/sfw
[06:00:47] <shu> /usr/sfw/bin
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[06:01:52] <McBofh> shu: http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/general_faq answers the question "what is OpenSolaris?"
[06:02:35] <shu> "pkgchk -nv SUNWsmbac" just show me 3 directory name "/usr, /usr/sfw, /usr/sfw/bin", nothing more..
[06:02:45] <McBofh> so clearly you don't actually have the package installed
[06:03:05] <McBofh> so install it from your media
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[06:03:21] <shu> ? "pkginfo|grep samba" gave me the package name.
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[06:03:39] <McBofh> ok, I'll rephrase
[06:03:42] <McBofh> "not properly installed"
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[06:04:19] <shu> so that mean I should re-inatall the package again?
[06:04:37] <McBofh> I recommend you run a  "pkgrm SUNWsmbac" first, then re-install
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[06:05:18] <shu> McBofh: K, I'll try it. thank You :)
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[06:59:17] <mgedisman> Man, I gotta go to bed again. =(
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[07:04:24] <mgedisman> Well, goodbye everyone! Maybe I'll try to solve the Ethernet issue while at work tomorrow. Wish me luck!
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[08:53:31] <trochej> WEeeeeee
[08:53:33] <trochej> Coffeeeeeee
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[09:52:17] <WickedWicky> Morning chaps
[09:52:25] <trochej> Coffee
[09:52:31] * trochej hugs WickedWicky
[09:52:33] <WickedWicky> a lot
[09:52:43] <WickedWicky> I am in a train full of school kids going on an outing
[09:52:50] <trochej> Ugh
[09:52:52] <e^ipi> that sounds terrible
[09:53:01] <e^ipi> children should be neither seen nor heard
[09:53:17] <e^ipi> they should be grown in a vat, raised by robots, and released on their 18th birthday
[09:53:19] <WickedWicky> They are so loud that I hear them over my Slayer mp3s
[09:53:27] <e^ipi> actually, scrap that, 21st birthday
[09:54:11] * e^ipi should run for office
[09:55:04] <Cyrille> you could even use "think of the children (and shudder)" as your slogan.
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[09:57:13] <e^ipi> "think of the children, now, so you don't have to later"
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[09:59:11] <DrZer0> hi
[09:59:45] <DrZer0> does anyoine know if lsi megaraid controller can be used without raid ?
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[10:00:42] <trochej> DrZer0: I think I can export you JBOD or simply disks
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[10:16:14] <DrZer0> damn, I will use raid5 + spare
[10:16:58] <DrZer0> It seems that It can do only small raid0
[10:17:13] <DrZer0> each for disk
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[10:53:41] <gergap> hi
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[10:55:25] <gergap> I tried to install OpenSolaris2008.5 but the install procedure crashes at 75%, that means the computer reboots without having finished the install. Is that a known problem?
[10:56:12] <botox> need hardware specs
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[10:59:01] <gergap> one moment, just booting linux to read out the specs
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[11:03:37] <gergap> I posted it to http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1204114
[11:03:51] <gergap> I try to install it to the second partition
[11:05:29] <gergap> This first partition contains WindowsXP, the second was Vista before, I deleted this for Solaris. The third is Grntoo Linux.
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[11:05:40] <gergap> I have Linux GRUB version in the MBR.
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[11:08:27] <codestr0m> gergap: I'm working on modifying portage specifically for Solaris to help in organizing the on-disk layout of all the source if you're ever interested
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[11:09:09] <gergap> codestr0m: you mean portage, like Gentoo portage?
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[11:09:53] <codestr0m> gergap: yeah. portage, but I'm hacking the prefix version and not bringing along the tree.. anything in the new tree is from Sun or highly QA'd
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[11:10:46] <codestr0m> hopefully, within a week I'll toss up some code/howto maybe a stage on google code
[11:11:08] <gergap> cool, I want to port my software to solaris, that's why I'm installing it. I will need cmake and Qt would also be great. Installing with portage would be great.
[11:11:36] <gergap> But first I need to get Solaris running ;-)
[11:11:41] <codestr0m> gergap: yeah. that's the point..
[11:11:55] <codestr0m> anyway. just pull the os2008* iso from genunix
[11:12:03] <codestr0m> they respin the latest updates
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[11:12:54] <gergap> codestr0m: do you think a newer version will fix my problems?
[11:13:47] <codestr0m> can't see that pastie and too lazy to turn off my proxy, but worth a shot if you're hw is in the hcl
[11:14:15] <gergap> what is hcl?
[11:14:24] <Trede> P
[11:14:33] <Stric> gergap: hardware compat list
[11:14:48] <gergap> ah, where can I find this list?
[11:16:01] <Trede> gergap mr google could told you alot of this  or just spend some time clicking on the sun web
[11:16:02] <codestr0m> gergap: if you have modern hw.. I'd say to just give it a shot.. I mean.. it got to 70% before.. so if you can spare the bandwidth and cd.. why not?
[11:16:36] <gergap> codestr0m: I'm alread downloading
[11:17:14] <codestr0m> cool. good luck. if you can hack python I'd be happy if you're interested in my portage port
[11:17:16] <gergap> I'm just wondering if its a hw problem a problem due to my complex partition layout.
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[11:17:42] <gergap> codestr0m: python is a pain for me :-) I do C/C++
[11:18:07] <codestr0m> I'm java/c, but doing what I can with just these trivial things
[11:18:35] <codestr0m> if you've not used Solaris before.. you'll be in pain when building your own projects by comparison of portage
[11:18:47] <div8> can anyone point me to some docs about linux nfs vs solaris nfs? points I wanna compare are: stability, performance, reliability, scalability...
[11:20:00] <gergap> codestr0m: yes, it's the first time using solaris. I hope I get all requirements installed to compile my apps...
[11:20:48] <codestr0m> gergap: out of the box os2008* is pretty friendly.. google + people around here for other tough things may be able to help
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[11:20:58] <Stric> div8: Sun invented NFS, so Solaris is pretty good in that regard
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[11:23:41] <div8> Stric: so, if I've got the choice between setting up either a linux nfs server or solaris nfs server, I guess I should decide in favor of the latter one?
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[11:24:42] <Michael8> Hey guys!~ :)
[11:25:17] <codestr0m> div8: we can't make the choice for you here, but in general what the point is. .that you can be assured the solaris nfs server will be correct and read more about the features to really decide for yourself
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[11:25:57] <Michael8> I have a ?.. When will the next openSolaris be coming out?
[11:27:20] <Michael8> I just downloaded the new Pc-BSD 7 and It's not the best.. I used the openSolaris  thats out now.. and it fount everything in my computer
[11:27:21] <codestr0m> Michael8: you can pull the latest respin with all the most updated bits from genunix.. I've tested it and it works for me
[11:28:49] <Michael8> Thanks... Now I'm kinda new to thing Unix thing.. and I don't know anything about genunix.
[11:28:51] <Michael8> Sorry
[11:29:00] <Michael8> Looks like it's reading time lol
[11:29:45] <codestr0m> Michael8: that's just a site which publishes the latest binaries.. for any docs/reading still go to opensolaris.org / google
[11:31:04] <Michael8> Thanks... I have a Dell E521 and like I said.. OpenS fount everything
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[11:31:29] <Michael8> I just had a hard time installing updates.. lol
[11:31:35] <Michael8> whew!~
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[11:32:52] <div8> codestr0m
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[11:33:30] <div8> codestr0m, this was not my intention .. just wanted to know about any advantages/disadvantages about either of them
[11:35:13] <div8> but thx so far ;)
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[11:36:19] <sirderigo> hi everybody, i want to knoww how i install
[11:36:36] <sirderigo> opensolaris whitout damage wy debian instalation?
[11:38:00] <codestr0m> sirderigo: in a virtual machine, on a partition, or just run the livecd
[11:38:13] <sirderigo> codestr0m: thanks for answer
[11:38:20] <sirderigo> i want to instakll it in a partition
[11:38:27] <codestr0m> I'm not sure if the livecd install will overwrite the MBR though, but that's not too hard of a few usually
[11:38:38] <sirderigo> but it dont have a partition
[11:38:40] <codestr0m> s/few/fix/
[11:38:45] <sirderigo> only
[11:38:47] <codestr0m> sirderigo: sol :)
[11:38:51] <sirderigo> i have debian and ubuntu
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[11:39:09] <sirderigo> and i die for have opensolaris
[11:39:38] <sirderigo> why opensolaris dont have a parted'
[11:41:04] <codestr0m> sirderigo: google can help you with this multi-boot setup you should ask in #ubuntu if you need help creating a new partition or something
[11:41:26] <sirderigo> codestr0m: i installed ubuntu
[11:41:33] <sirderigo> and later i installed opensolaris
[11:41:41] <sirderigo> and opensolaris kill my ubuntu
[11:41:51] <sirderigo> installation
[11:42:13] <codestr0m> may it rest in peace :)
[11:42:19] <sirderigo> jejeje
[11:42:40] <sirderigo> what i have to do?
[11:42:51] <sirderigo> i have to leave the disc root free?
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[11:43:44] <codestr0m> sirderigo: I don't have time to help you with this.. I'd highly suggest you look at fdisk or format if you still have opensolaris on there
[11:44:05] <sirderigo> ok
[11:44:05] <sirderigo> thanks
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[11:55:21] <cypromis> hmmm vnc is jsut wrapper scripts in snv97
[11:55:23] <cypromis> lol
[11:56:27] <seanmcg> known bug, tis fixed in next release.
[11:57:17] <Vagrant> if i want to install sxce next to another system i should before isntallation create a solaris partition? when i want to install system without this partition install program wants to format whole disk
[11:57:18] <codestr0m> cypromis: I checked the wanpipe project again.  was there supposed to be the mirror there?
[11:58:03] <cypromis> yah let me find where I put it :D
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[12:09:07] <DTEIT> hi all
[12:09:28] <DTEIT> is it possible to run opensolaris on a HP P400?
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[12:13:17] <codestr0m> DTEIT: download and test or read the hcl which you should be able to find in google/opensolaris.org
[12:14:54] <DTEIT> hp provides a driver for solaris 10...but with opensolaris it's not working
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[12:22:27] <gergap> I tried to run this hdc tool from Sun on my linux. It neither works with Blackdown JRE nor with Sun JRE 1.6. JAVA seems to be portable only in that way that it never works on no system .... :-(
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[12:26:11] <smtms> gergap, what's that hdc tool?
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[12:43:08] <gergap> smtms: typo hdt, sun's hardware detection tool
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[12:44:19] <smtms> gergap, do you sincerely think this tool should be able to properly detect hardware on every OS that Java runs on?
[12:47:09] <gergap> smtms: no I never think that a java tools runs on any machine. Espicially making a hadware diagnostic tool with JAVA is just stupid. JAVA is designed to be hw independent and it's impossible to access any hw related stuff without JNI.
[12:47:38] <gergap> But Suns says it works on x86 linux and windows.
[12:47:44] <gergap> But it doesn't.
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[12:49:24] <bapt> Hi all
[12:49:33] <bapt> can anyone help me ?
[12:50:38] <bapt> I always get this http://rafb.net/p/LIcwB587.html
[12:50:46] <bapt> I always get this
[12:51:11] <bapt> I try to first update SUNWipg but I still get the same error
[12:51:24] <hile_> sure, your therapists's office is down the street.
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[12:52:14] <hile_> Whatis SUNWipg?
[12:52:37] <bapt> SUNWipkg
[12:53:07] <hile_> my question remains
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[12:56:36] <Stric> hile_: Image Packaging System..
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[12:57:13] <hile_> as opposed to nromal , sane, SysV packages, I take it?
[12:57:19] <bapt> hile_: the opensolaris packaging system
[12:57:32] <bapt> official one
[12:57:41] <Stric> the opensolaris2008.xx one
[12:57:41] <bapt> the one that ship with opensolaris
[12:57:45] <bapt> yes
[12:57:56] <hile_> oh the stupid indiana shit.
[12:58:04] <hile_> that was your first mistake.
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[12:58:57] <bapt> how should I know ?
[12:59:26] <bapt> sun officially release opensolaris (named like this) but it shouldn't be use ?
[12:59:27] <hile_> common sense?
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[12:59:46] <Stric> bapt: don't listen to hile_ too much
[12:59:53] <bapt> ok
[13:00:41] <Stric> ips is new, so it has bugs.. but from your stack trace, it seems like it has problem doing http connects or so..
[13:01:08] <hile_> What you ought to do4well what are your intentions for the system you'er trying to use IPS with?
[13:01:12] <bapt> Stric if I do pkg install SUNWzsh for example it works
[13:01:23] <Stric> try: snoop host pkg.opensolaris.org   in one window while doing image-update
[13:01:46] <bapt> the I have no problem http connection in that case
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[13:02:11] <Stric> bapt: try snoop while doing image-update (that causes the problem)
[13:02:18] <bapt> Stric: how can I do that
[13:02:21] <bapt> snoop
[13:02:37] <bapt> ok
[13:02:37] <hile_> sorry, my last was a bit garbled due to shitty connection.  What are your intentions for this box where you're using Indiana?
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[13:04:03] <hile_> eg, is it a production box, or a box which is in any way supporting production ?
[13:04:27] <Stric> bapt: like I told you.. 'snoop host pkg.opensolaris.org'
[13:04:30] <bapt> Stric: oh it doesn't even try to go out
[13:04:57] <Stric> hm.. I think it's talking to that host.. just try generic 'snoop' without args
[13:05:36] <bapt> Stric: I have tried it and nothing try to go out
[13:05:56] <bapt> but happy to know about snoop :)
[13:07:16] <bapt> ok I'm going to eat, I'll see that after
[13:07:20] <bapt> thanks Stric
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[13:29:17] <TomJ> is there a method for setting a ZFS quota on a high level filesystem, such that it inherits to all child filesystems but does not apply on the filesystem itself?
[13:29:46] <TomJ> e.g.  I want tank/export/home to set a quota of 1GB on tank/export/home/*  but I dont want a quota on tank/epxort/home specifically (or if I do, I want a different one, not 1GB)
[13:30:36] <TomJ> that is, tank/export/home/tomj has 1Gb,  tank/export/home/bob has 1Gb, etc, and this 1G is configured at the tank/export/home level, so I dont have to manually set it on each FS create
[13:33:32] <Stric> don't think so.. stuff is inherited (and also applies to itself)
[13:33:39] <asyd> \_o<
[13:33:53] <Stric> so if you set 1G on tank/export/home, tank/export/home/bob and tank/export/home/tomj gets to share 1G
[13:34:00] <TomJ> yeah
[13:34:09] <Stric> there's no "template" mechanism afaik
[13:34:13] <TomJ> i guess i just need to add the quota set to the script that makes the fs, no biggie
[13:34:14] <TomJ> thanks
[13:34:21] <asyd> could be a nice feature indeed
[13:34:25] <Stric> zfs create -o quota=1G tank/...
[13:34:30] <TomJ> yeah very nice
[13:34:39] * Stric uses that
[13:34:48] <TomJ> then you could define a quota to apply to tank/export/home and change it in one place if you want ot increase it for all users
[13:35:11] <timsf> TomJ - proabably good to set that as a user property on the top level dataset,
[13:35:18] <timsf> which the children would inherit,
[13:35:30] <timsf> then your script to change the properties is a bit more dynamic..
[13:35:41] <Stric> and zfs set quota=`zfs get tomj:quota:stuff blah` blah
[13:38:01] <TomJ> user property? hmm
[13:38:12] <TomJ> wow ok, didnt know about those
[13:38:15] <TomJ> is that in Solaris 10?
[13:38:37] <Stric> User-defined properties can be specified by using a name containing a colon (:).
[13:38:56] <TomJ> yeah looks like it's not in solaris 10 yet
[13:39:00] <Stric> it is
[13:39:08] <Stric> it's in my u5 at least
[13:39:14] <TomJ> oh my bad
[13:39:18] <TomJ> i was doing it wrong, yeah it's there
[13:39:19] <TomJ> neat
[13:39:33] <TomJ> that's a good workaround
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[13:46:52] <TomJ> one more zfs question - with aclinherit,  are ACLs influenced at chmod time or always?  man zfs mentions that it affects chmod, so it sounds as if I need to recreate my ACLs after changing aclinherit?
[13:47:09] <TomJ> sorry, I mean aclmode
[13:48:16] <gergap> codestr0m: the current version from genunix works also on my machine ;-)
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[13:49:08] <codestr0m> gergap: so using a newer iso helped?
[13:50:41] <gergap> yes
[13:50:50] <codestr0m> good. glad that was all that was needed
[13:51:33] <gergap> I just started the package manager, but I cannot find cmake. What alternatives to install software on OSol exists?
[13:52:40] <codestr0m> gergap: if you're not scared of the command line..
[13:52:42] <codestr0m> pkg search -r cmake
[13:52:43] <codestr0m> INDEX      ACTION    VALUE                     PACKAGE
[13:52:43] <codestr0m> basename   file      opt/csw/bin/cmake         pkg:/IPScmake at 0 dot 5.11-2.6
[13:52:55] <gergap> codestr0m: no, I like command line ;-)
[13:53:03] <_mary_kate_> gergap: make?
[13:53:07] <codestr0m> to find this you'll also have to add another authority.. and with that I'll point you at man pkg
[13:53:19] <gergap> _mary_kate_: no, cmake www.cmake.org
[13:53:22] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: I think he specifically needs cmake
[13:53:34] <_mary_kate_> oh, he seemed to be asking for an alternative to cmake
[13:53:54] <gergap> is pkg a different package management than the one used from this GUI tools?
[13:54:31] <codestr0m> gergap: honestly. I've had zero luck with the gui based thing.. it was broken, but may work now.. either way you'll have to add the new authority and refresh
[13:54:38] <gergap> codestr0m: pkg search -r cmake doesn't find anything here.
[13:55:56] <codestr0m> gergap: man pkg.. and take a look at how to add the blastwave authority.. http://www.blastwave.org/
[13:56:04] <gergap> thx
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[14:03:51] <h3sp4wn_> The kde4 people have cmake (probably with less unnecessary stuff also)
[14:04:08] <h3sp4wn_> Its also in the 1.7.0-rc jdscbe
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[14:14:13] <kaleb> Can anyone give me a recommendation for a program to show me images from the commandline without having to bother klicking around. I always use qiv on linux-machines, and it doesn't seem to be available for opensolaris
[14:14:52] <oxygene> display, if imagemagick is installed
[14:14:59] <oxygene> eog
[14:15:24] <kaleb> thanks :)
[14:15:55] <boyd> dclarke: ping
[14:17:10] <kaleb> eog complained over file not beeing png, however display worked like a charm, thanks again people
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[14:18:10] <kaleb> haha, maybe because it was a jpg named a png. Shame on me
[14:18:19] <oxygene> eog is gnome, after all. if it works, it's a mistake to be fixed
[14:18:33] <lewq> hey everyone - could you help a dtrace noob? i'm trying to copy the first 7 bytes of a self->foo string into a self->bar string... i'm doing: self->bar = stringof(copyin(self->foo,7)); but argument #1 of copyin is incompatible with prototype uintptr_t (argument string) - what have i missed?
[14:18:41] <h3sp4wn_> kaleb: feh is not that hard to compile
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[14:22:23] <kaleb> h3sp4wn_: for me it is, I am learning as i get along ;)
[14:23:47] <h3sp4wn_> kaleb: I ment more it doesn't need to be patched or anything
[14:26:00] <kaleb> h3sp4wn_: oh, ok, Then I will aquire it, thanks, I was worried over dependencies
[14:29:06] <h3sp4wn_> kaleb: It needs imlib2 and giblib those are its only dependancies
[14:30:49] <kaleb> should I go with companion or blastwave?
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[14:49:40] <Fullmoon> I am wondering how to back up a container - since it lives on ZFS I thought I would simply snapshot its file system - but while it is running..?
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[14:51:12] <holcomb> what's the problem with that?
[14:52:11] <Fullmoon> holcomb: Lets say the box dies, I am zfs send | zfs receive the file system to another box, When the container is not detached, I cant attach it at the other box, right?
[14:52:38] <holcomb> dunno.   you might have to muck with it a bit but i think that process has recently improved
[14:52:49] <h3sp4wn_> kaleb: Have you looked at SFE yet ?
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[15:00:30] <kaleb> h3sp4wn_: no, I downloaded it, but have not had the time yet to study it. (I am studing fulltime, have three jobs onside, and wife and daughter. But I will use every opportunity to learn more as I go along
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[15:24:01] <dclarke> boyd : pong
[15:24:19] <dclarke> boyd : to be more specific .. good morning
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[15:24:30] <boyd> Heh
[15:24:42] <TheK> ok.. I've dnoe it again. :)
[15:24:46] <boyd> Hey, long time no chat
[15:24:58] <TheK> I ran the GUI packagemanager and messed up my system. :)
[15:25:08] <dclarke> boyd : very
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[15:25:17] * dclarke stares at coffee cup .. blinks
[15:25:23] <dclarke> it is early here
[15:25:29] <dclarke> and it was a late night also
[15:25:50] <boyd> dclarke: Late here, and I have a user group presentation tomorrow, so I need sleep
[15:26:03] <jamesd_Work> dclarke: don't stare, drink... staring is ineffective way of getting cafeine into your system.
[15:26:18] <boyd> This is true
[15:26:25] <TheK> ImportError: No module named beadm.BootEnvironment. <-- When I run beadm. Is there a python path I need to set somehow?
[15:26:38] * dclarke drinks .. thanks james silently
[15:26:53] <boyd> dclarke: You don't happen to know what happened to the smf manifests that used to be at http://www.blastwave.org/smf/manifests.php do you
[15:26:56] <dclarke> that reminds me of a funny expression
[15:26:57] <boyd> ?
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[15:27:36] <dclarke> boyd : let me restore that .. as you know an all out rae and pilage happened here .. that everyone thinks I did .. one sec please
[15:27:42] * jamesd_Work is fearful...  i just solved a lotus notes problem... doing that kind of thing gets me a reputation as a guru.. even though i know nothing about the program, i just saw that ulimits were different between 2 boxes.
[15:27:51] <dclarke> boyd : let me restore that .. as you know an all out rape and pillage happened here .. that everyone thinks I did .. one sec please
[15:28:04] <boyd> dclarke: no problem. I just wanted to include a link in the preso (It's about SMF)
[15:28:26] <dclarke> jamesd : be afraid .. very very afraid .. if people ask you about notes .. just stare blankly .. don't blink .. don't move .. they can smell fear
[15:29:12] <jamesd_Work> dclarke: yeah, but i'm a contractor and need to go permanent, so i try to fix all problems even if i know nothing about the problem.
[15:30:05] <dclarke> jamesd : I can relate totally .. but you're the one that fixed a notes server, you're life as you know it is probably over .. if you ever had one to begin with
[15:30:26] <boyd> haha
[15:30:50] <dclarke> boyd : please see http://www.blastwave.org/smf/
[15:31:22] * dclarke thinks that Jorg Schilling star is one of the greatest inventions of the past century
[15:31:32] <jamesd_Work> and yesterday. i fixed a windows issue... my life is truely heading for the toilet quickly.
[15:31:39] <boyd> dclarke: Thanks a lot. What service
[15:31:46] <dclarke> james : I'm glad to hear you're working
[15:31:47] <boyd> Oh, and I agree about star
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[15:32:00] <dclarke> boyd : I try to help . .yu know me .. always awake and such ...
[15:32:13] <boyd> dclarke: Don't know how you do it :)
[15:32:24] * dclarke stares at coffee cup
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[15:33:06] <boyd> Some of these emotes are making it feel like a text adventure in here
[15:33:13] <boyd> DRINK COFFEE
[15:33:25] <dclarke> well .. pass the word that if people have not seen http://www.blastwave.org/sponsors/index.html then *NOW* would be a really damn good time
[15:33:37] * dclarke utters xyzzy
[15:33:55] <boyd> I'll mention it to the MSOSUG tomorrow night
[15:34:09] * dclarke a small elf appears .. hurls a vista DVD at you and then runs away screaming
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[15:34:32] <dclarke> can I ask a question ?
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[15:34:39] * dclarke thta was a dumb question
[15:34:53] <boyd> dclarke: You can ask.
[15:34:58] <dclarke> true
[15:35:00] <dclarke> :-)
[15:35:05] <dclarke> see http://www.blastwave.org/docs/s10u3_howto.html
[15:35:11] <dclarke> that gets looked at .. a LOT
[15:35:29] * boyd looks, adding to the stats
[15:35:47] <dclarke> and I have an update for it but I want to print it into a simple book with lots of pictures and simple guides that will get a new user uop and runnign with zpools and NFS and stuff like that
[15:36:11] <boyd> Nice
[15:36:23] <dclarke> someone suggested that I write a book because you can not install Solaris and read this thing at the same time .. you need paper beside you that says .. NExt step is this ..
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[15:36:49] <dclarke> pages like this : http://www.blastwave.org/docs/step-138.html  get bombed with hits
[15:36:52] <boyd> Wow... people have only one computer?
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[15:37:06] <dclarke> they are out there .. new users .. and we want them
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[15:37:35] <dclarke> I probably have a computer for every architecture and year over the past fifteen years ..
[15:37:45] <dclarke> if I turn them all on .. I don't have to heat the house
[15:37:50] <dclarke> anyways ....
[15:38:04] <dclarke> what do you think of such a book ? do you think that it would be a sellable thing ?
[15:38:13] <dclarke> like .. cheaply if possible
[15:38:14] <boyd> hmm
[15:38:23] <boyd> Yeah, could be..
[15:38:46] <boyd> Esp with a print-on-demand place like cafepress
[15:38:53] <dclarke> I havce a quote from a local printer for 100 books at standard school book size with nice clour pages in it .. it is scary .. $5200 for the first 100 books
[15:39:04] <dclarke> cafepress eh .. I must look there
[15:39:04] <boyd> yowza
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[15:39:11] <dclarke> yowza indeed
[15:39:15] <boyd> Not sure what they do with color
[15:39:22] <dclarke> nice paper and lots of colour pictures
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[15:39:37] <boyd> The color has to be a big part of the cost, I'd expect
[15:39:48] <dclarke> oh .. huge
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[15:40:15] <dclarke> pages like this http://www.blastwave.org/docs/step-152.html  need colour
[15:40:32] <dclarke> that page is a brief intro to vi
[15:41:12] <boyd> Yeah. umm.. I must say, I don't see the urgent need for color on that page
[15:41:25] <dclarke> new users .. tend to vomit on vi .. but they can use notepad
[15:41:29] <dclarke> well . .exactly
[15:41:34] <_mary_kate_> i don't see any colours in that page
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[15:41:35] <dclarke> some pages need it and some don't
[15:41:40] <dclarke> let me get the quote for the book
[15:41:54] <dclarke> _mary_kate_: see http://www.blastwave.org/docs/images/s10u3/152.png
[15:42:08] <_mary_kate_> that's a screenshot of a black-and-white vi session
[15:42:21] <_mary_kate_> .. who cares if the 'launch' button is grey instead of orange?
[15:42:23] <dclarke> exactly .. but I show the user what they are seeing
[15:42:32] <_mary_kate_> i am fairly sure the user can work it out
[15:42:40] <digifor> Trying to put milax note 0.3.2 on an eeepc 701 4G. It looks from fdisk that I need to be using c6d0p0 as the target.
[15:42:44] <boyd> Well, yes, there's colors in the image, but since the user will be looking at the screen at the time, I can't see that the color makes a difference
[15:42:57] <_mary_kate_> boyd: exactly
[15:43:00] <digifor> http://www.milax.org/?p=17
[15:43:01] <timeless> doesn't solaris ship w/ gedit (which is vastly inferior to notepad)
[15:43:10] <boyd> heh
[15:43:14] <dclarke> yeah .. well .. you have experience .. and people that are total newbies have given me feedback that this thing I wrote made the whole thing possible .. as opposed to completely impossible
[15:43:28] <digifor> so would zfsinstall c6d0s0 make sense?
[15:43:40] <_mary_kate_> dclarke: did they give feedback that a greyscale screenshot was too complicated?
[15:43:41] <evocallaghan> boyd:Hey !
[15:43:51] <boyd> dclarke: I'm sure they're right, but I think most people can deal with a screenshot in b/w they're quite common
[15:43:53] <evocallaghan> Long time, how are you buddy ?
[15:43:56] <boyd> evocallaghan: hey
[15:43:58] <boyd> not bad
[15:44:25] <evocallaghan> boyd:Nice to hear from you
[15:44:26] <boyd> Beenn BUSY for like 6 months
[15:44:31] <evocallaghan> I bet !
[15:44:51] <evocallaghan> watch ya been up to ?
[15:44:57] <dclarke> evocallaghan: good morning y'all
[15:45:08] <dclarke> pardon me .. but I have to head into the blastwave cave now
[15:45:16] <dclarke> gotta figure out a million things
[15:45:23] <evocallaghan> dclarke:Hey, it will be morning in a few min
[15:45:31] <boyd> evocallaghan: You know how it is, you look back on a busy period and can't think what you did :)
[15:45:40] <boyd> dclarke: enjoy
[15:45:43] <evocallaghan> *true* !
[15:45:44] <dclarke> evocallaghan: I swear .. you get less sleep than me .. and that means .. you don't sleep
[15:45:58] * dclarke nods .. very true
[15:46:01] <evocallaghan> dclarke:*true* !
[15:46:35] * evocallaghan avoids noding in fear of noding off
[15:46:42] <boyd> hagh
[15:46:43] <boyd> hah
[15:48:14] * evocallaghan prepares for a whole nighter _again_
[15:48:20] <evocallaghan> Java test tomorrow
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[15:48:58] <evocallaghan> boyd:Will we be seeing you more?
[15:49:04] <evocallaghan> I got to get back to study
[15:49:35] <boyd> Hope so.. It's looking a little more settled in the next little while
[15:50:00] <evocallaghan> boyd:That's a good thing !
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[16:00:10] <ballChalk> why can't i add a cache or log device to the root pool?
[16:01:01] <gergap> the openssl version of OpenSolaris seems to have DSA deactivated. is there another version available or should I better compiler openssl myself from source?
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[16:03:33] <Stric> gergap: 'openssl speed dsa' seems to do stuff for me
[16:09:59] <h3sp4wn_> gergap: Do you mean the stuff for hardware crypto ?
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[16:11:23] <gergap> no, but I think the problem is that i played with pkg-get and I have two openssl versions now.
[16:12:03] <gergap> how can I uninstall packages installed with pkt-get?
[16:12:09] <gergap> pkg-get I mean
[16:12:48] <gergap> the default version is in /usr/lib but now I also have openssl in /opt/csw/lib
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[16:17:59] <gergap> ok, pkg-get -r does it :-)
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[16:19:11] <TomJ> How do I make a new temp dir?  i.e. if I want /net_tmp/ to be a NFS shared temp directory with the same properties as /var/tmp ?  I can chmod 777 but how do I set the 't' bit? is that just the sticky bit?
[16:19:17] <TomJ> oh nvm, yes it is
[16:19:42] <Stric> chmod +t ;)
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[16:38:00] <kohju> hmmm, i cannot suspend/resume on nevada97...
[16:38:25] <kohju> still, development ?
[16:39:48] <ballChalk> hah
[16:40:01] <ballChalk> from what i've read, it will be in development for quite a while
[16:40:37] <kohju> yeah.
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[16:40:58] <ballChalk> you can see it at the projects at opensolaris.org
[16:42:49] <kohju> should i report the /var/adm/message on my thinkpad t61?
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[17:03:45] <storycrafter> dclarke, what'd you figure out re: the book.  i had log after you started talking about it..
[17:04:00] <storycrafter> had log=had to log
[17:04:07] <dclarke> it costs money to print and it costs money to sell it
[17:04:14] <storycrafter> heh, thanks.  that's helpful
[17:04:26] <dclarke> let me get the quote
[17:04:28] <dclarke> one sec
[17:05:31] <dclarke> $131 Colour cover, 17.5 x 11 White Carolina C1S 10pt , digitally printed on 1 side
[17:05:44] <dclarke> $756 B&W pages, 8.5 x 11 White 60# Accent opaque, 63 sheets, copied on 2 sides
[17:06:07] <dclarke> $4031 Colour inside pages, 8.5 x 11 White 60# Accent opaque, 65 sheets, digitally printed on 2 sides
[17:06:27] <dclarke> $395 Perfect binding 0.625
[17:06:41] <dclarke> $6.00 Book trim
[17:06:53] <dclarke> Qty: 100 = $5,320.00
[17:07:04] <gergap> can somebody explain me what the ast library does? the headers are located in /usr/include/ast
[17:07:18] <dclarke> storycrafter: that is what I found out
[17:07:25] <dclarke> storycrafter: colour is a killer
[17:07:59] <dclarke> storycrafter: so .. I have to run .. back in a while .. maybe
[17:07:59] <_mary_kate_> a colour screenshot is totally worth $4,000
[17:08:01] <storycrafter> dclarke: apparently.  that was a local printer?
[17:08:08] <storycrafter> dclarke: ok
[17:08:09] <dclarke> storycrafter: yeah
[17:08:21] <dclarke> storycrafter: low volume .. high quality
[17:08:44] <storycrafter> dclarke: i'll see if the guy i worked with is still at sams
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[17:08:55] <gergap> I was searching for endian.h to figure out the endianess for the system, but including ast/endian.h conflicts with other files.
[17:09:06] <dclarke> gotta run
[17:09:24] <_mary_kate_> gergap: that's the AT&T AST library.  ksh uses it, you probably don't want to
[17:10:11] <gergap> ok, thx
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[17:10:26] <gergap> what is the best way on solaris to detect the endianess?
[17:10:47] <gergap> are there LITTLE/BIg_ENDIAN defines somewhere else?
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[17:17:43] <oxygene> dclarke: tried lulu.com already?
[17:17:43] <div8> gergap: you could try this: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/graphics/fileformats-faq/part4/section-7.html
[17:19:33] <gergap> div8: thx
[17:19:40] <div8> n/p
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[17:20:12] <gergap> div8: but this is a runtiem detection
[17:20:28] <gergap> I need a compiletime detection
[17:20:44] <gergap> I can set a define manually, but its better to detect this automatically
[17:20:52] <gergap> on linux I include endian.h
[17:21:04] <gergap> I'm sure solaris must have something simalar
[17:21:13] <dclarke> oxygene : thanks for the link .. I'll look at that
[17:21:46] <smtms> gergap, Solaris supports x86/x64 - little endian, and SPARC - big endian
[17:22:08] <smtms> OpenSolaris possibly runs on more platforms
[17:23:47] <gergap> yes, I was already thinking of deriving the LITTTLE_ENDIAN define from GCC defines like _i386, but really don't know what architecture may occur.
[17:23:53] <gergap> But it's better than nothing
[17:27:14] <gergap> I just have seen that /usr/include/sys/byteorder.h evaluates _BIG_ENDIAN
[17:27:24] <gergap> I don't have this define, but I'm running on x86 :-)
[17:27:52] <gergap> does somebody have a sparc and can check where _BIG_ENDIAN is defined?
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[17:29:14] <John0> Hello?
[17:29:22] <ballChalk> ya
[17:29:57] <John0> Do u use OpenSolaris?
[17:30:18] <ballChalk> yeah
[17:30:35] <John0> Can u show me some screenshots please?
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[17:31:07] <ballChalk> what makes solaris special isnt the gui, just about any unix can look like any other
[17:31:37] <John0> Whats speacial about it then?
[17:33:32] <ballChalk> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/11/why-solaris.html
[17:33:55] <John0> Thanks
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[17:53:57] <alanc> gergap: I think you're looking for /usr/include/sys/isa_defs.h
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[18:10:16] <ajmcello> is there a way i can download past releases? id like to get nevada build 91 DVD image.
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[18:20:35] <SplasPood> you're in luck
[18:20:36] <SplasPood> I happen to have it
[18:20:40] <SplasPood> ajmcello: ^
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[18:22:16] <SplasPood> ajmcello: let me know if you'd like me to stick it somewhere you can leech...
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[18:26:45] <sactodave> has anyone seen this when upgrading from build 95 to build 97:
[18:26:45] <sactodave> Removal Phase                            12303/12303
[18:26:45] <sactodave> Install Phase                            13178/13178
[18:26:45] <sactodave> Update Phase                             200504/202465 Action upgrade failed for
[18:26:45] <sactodave>  'usr/bin/oawk' (pkg:/SUNWesu):
[18:26:45] <sactodave>  OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
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[18:30:10] <sactodave> nevermind I found it.
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[18:31:16] <ahe> sactodave: what was the problem?
[18:31:24] <ahe> i'm running 95 at the moment
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[18:31:35] <ahe> so i'm curious ;)
[18:32:10] <sactodave> ahe: for whatever reason /usr/bin/oawk is a hardlink to /usr/bin/awk and /usr/bin/awk was not there so the upgrade fails
[18:32:45] <sactodave> ahe: I can only guess as to why /usr/bin/awk is not there.
[18:33:50] <sactodave> pkg verify rocks!!
[18:34:37] <_mary_kate_> /usr/bin/awk is 'old' awk, aka oawk
[18:34:43] <_mary_kate_> there's also nawk (new awk) and gawk
[18:35:52] <Daredevil> I hope I am in the right channel. I haven't used irc for a long time. Can someone tell me why I can`t get files via pkg. I am getting timeouts the whole da long.
[18:36:24] <sactodave> _mary_kate_:  I just don't know why hardlink when soft links are so much easier to see when there are problems
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[18:36:27] <Daredevil> Using Opensolaris fresh install
[18:37:12] <sactodave> Daredevil: do you use a proxy to get to the websites
[18:37:37] <sactodave> Daredevil:  can you telnet pkg.opensolaris.org 80
[18:38:20] <Daredevil> No I use a mainly direct link. I am chating right now with the system. Running in VMWare under Linux with bridged networking
[18:38:57] <sactodave> Daredevil:  can you telnet pkg.opensolaris.org 80
[18:39:12] <Daredevil> No trouble with internet, high download speeds
[18:39:49] <Daredevil> Get there via Browser and can see the status page
[18:40:39] <Daredevil> norbert@noopensol:~$ telnet pkg.opensolaris.org 80 Trying 72.5.123.21... Connected to pkg.opensolaris.org. Escape character is '^]'.
[18:40:53] <Daredevil> Tried and connected
[18:41:55] <sactodave> Daredevil:  there is a timeout value you can set.  a quick search of google will produce that, but I would try it again.
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[18:44:21] <Daredevil> Hmm where will I find the config? /etc/pkg don' exists
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[18:49:11] <Daredevil> PKG_CLIENT_TIMEOUT= May that the right Var? How can I set these for the graphical Package Manager? Maybe globally?
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[18:54:29] <jafari> how do you install a .jar patch which is a signed patch from sun
[18:54:48] <_mary_kate_> jafari: easiest way: jar xvf nnnnnn-nn.jar; patchadd nnnnnn-nn
[18:55:12] <smtms> _mary_kate_, you don't check the signature that way, do you?
[18:55:18] <_mary_kate_> right
[18:55:24] <_mary_kate_> but he only asked how to install it ;)
[18:55:44] <_mary_kate_> patchadd has a way to somehow verify the signature but i never bothered to discover how to make it find the signing key... (it doesn't seem to by default)
[18:56:22] <jafari> ok thanks
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[19:00:29] <jafari> do anyone here would like to help me build a Master/Slave LDAP Replication
[19:00:49] <smtms> haha
[19:00:52] <jafari> using Sun Java System Directory Server Enterprise Edition 6.3
[19:01:32] <jafari> smtms, would you
[19:02:01] <smtms> jafari, no
[19:02:11] <_mary_kate_> jafari: why don't you read the manual
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[19:04:24] <jafari> i am reading, i am just not use to LDAP it is a difficult software
[19:04:29] <e^ipi> indeed, it's pretty well documented
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[19:06:03] <smtms> jafari, are you paid to install it?
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[19:06:19] <jafari> yes
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[19:06:25] <jafari> its a new project giving to me
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[19:06:48] <Daredevil> norbert@noopensol:~# PKG_CLIENT_TIMEOUT=300 pkg install SUNWipkg DOWNLOAD                                    PKGS       FILES     XFER (MB) SUNWipkg                                     0/2       0/131     0.00/1.44
[19:07:08] <Daredevil> Staying there since 20 Minutes now.
[19:07:40] <Daredevil> Someone can tell me if pkg works for him or her right in this moment?
[19:09:12] <Daredevil> Or ist there maybe a mirror for pkg.opensolaris.org?
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[19:16:28] <slant> can anyone help me understand how I can upgrade a package using pkg on snv_43?
[19:17:00] <_mary_kate_> snv_43 must be SXCE or SXDE, that doesn't have IPS (pkg)
[19:18:03] <slant> not sure what you just said lol
[19:18:28] <slant> it has pkgadd, pkgchk and pkgrm
[19:18:28] <Praematura> He said you don't have 'pkg' available to you.
[19:18:33] <slant> hmm
[19:19:49] <smtms> slant, you should first find the source of the package and get an updated version
[19:20:22] <slant> I have Subversion installed via CSW ('which svn' => '/opt/csw/bin/svn')
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[19:21:41] <_mary_kate_> slant: you're using a distribution called SXCE (or SXDE).  SXCE (and SXDE) do not have IPS.  IPS is what provides the 'pkg' command.  therefore you do not have 'pkg' and cannot use it
[19:21:48] <slant> this sorta thing? http://www.canoedissent.org.uk/packages/stable/sparc/5.10/CSWap2svn/
[19:22:10] <slant> _mary_kate_: so is the command "pkg" an actual command?
[19:22:35] <slant> is it possible that the guy before me somehow installed "pkgadd" (at the very least) manually?
[19:23:03] <_mary_kate_> slant: yes, pkg is an actual command, and it's completely unrelated to pkgadd/pkgrm/etc
[19:23:05] <TomJ> he would have difficulty installing pkgadd without pkgadd
[19:23:12] <_mary_kate_> slant: pkgadd/pkgrm/etc are the old SVR4 packaging system, which IPS replaces
[19:23:12] <slant> interesting
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[19:23:22] <slant> TomJ: haha, good point
[19:23:28] <slant> unless he built it from source
[19:23:44] <TomJ> built what from source?
[19:23:52] <TomJ> pkgadd or svn?
[19:23:55] <estibi> hello
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[19:24:23] <TomJ> slant: pkginfo | grep CSW
[19:24:32] <TomJ> should list a subversion package
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[19:24:40] <slant> hehe, I was just doing that for Subversion
[19:24:46] <slant> let me nab that for CSW
[19:24:56] <slant> whoa, a LOT
[19:25:04] <TomJ> a lot of CSW packages?
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[19:25:35] <slant> http://gist.github.com/11081
[19:25:44] <slant> apparently
[19:25:48] <TomJ> hehe so you have an admin who installed snv_43 on a production box and put half of blastwave on it for good measure, then left it for 3 years untouched
[19:25:51] <TomJ> tell him the internets is laughing at him
[19:26:00] <TomJ> I take it back
[19:26:02] <TomJ> that looks like ALL of blastwave
[19:26:13] <slant> well, he passed the project on around 3 years ago, but yes, blastwave is a term I've heard before
[19:26:16] <slant> haha
[19:26:27] <slant> all of blastwave versus what?
[19:26:30] <TomJ> hehe 427 packages. about a third of it actually. but yeah
[19:26:38] <TomJ> i just mean he installed the whole kitchen sink on there, for no good reason most likely
[19:26:44] <slant> hahaha
[19:26:46] <slant> geesh
[19:26:46] * _mary_kate_ wouldn't be surprised if CSW's svn indirectly depended on all of that
[19:26:56] <TomJ> actually that's a very good point
[19:27:01] <TomJ> svn does depend on every piece of software on earth
[19:27:10] <slant> I saw around 10 dependancies for svn
[19:27:22] <_mary_kate_> slant: those dependencies will have 10 more each ;)
[19:27:23] <slant> but you're right, I have no idea of what this previous version depended on
[19:27:23] <slant> :/
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[19:27:30] <slant> haha, dang it, good point
[19:27:38] <slant> so there is no easy way to do this, then, huh?
[19:28:03] <_mary_kate_> well, if you want to upgrade a CSW package, their 'pkg-get' script can do it (i think, i try to avoid csw...)
[19:28:04] <TomJ> pkg-get is the blastwave installation software
[19:28:07] <TomJ> read blastwave.org
[19:28:08] <slant> how would one normally go about upgrading software with this apparently antiquated POS? :)
[19:28:15] <TomJ> you can upgrade pkg-get, then go pkg-get subversion or something
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[19:28:21] <TomJ> it should upgrade all your stuff
[19:28:21] <_mary_kate_> but to upgrade the OS itself, you'll have to upgrade to a new build, which is more work
[19:28:23] <slant> TomJ: absolutely will
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[19:28:40] <slant> _mary_kate_: the more I hear about this, the less I can blame you ;)
[19:28:56] <TomJ> as I mentioned in #solaris, this box should be running Solaris 10
[19:29:01] <slant> guys, thank you both SOOO much
[19:29:02] <_mary_kate_> well, SXCE isn't really designed for production use, so the upgrade procedure is basically down a newer OS build and do an upgrade as if you were upgrading to a new OS release
[19:29:07] <TomJ> and should be reinstalled from scratch
[19:29:10] <slant> TomJ: they are using Joyent
[19:29:15] <_mary_kate_> (unlike solaris 10, which has patches, or OpenSolaris 2008.05, where you can use 'pkg'..)
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[19:29:39] <slant> are there any good docs out there on pkg?
[19:29:40] <evocallaghan> Yout can use lu down with SXCE
[19:29:46] <slant> I've had a heck of a time finding anything
[19:29:51] <evocallaghan> s/down/now/
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[19:29:54] <slant> what is SXCE? as in context
[19:30:01] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: always been able to, but it's still a pain ;)
[19:30:01] <TomJ> Solaris Express community edition
[19:30:03] <_mary_kate_> slant: the OS you're running
[19:30:06] <slant> ahhhh
[19:30:07] <slant> thanks
[19:30:07] <_mary_kate_> slant: it's an opensolaris distribution
[19:30:09] <slant> gotcha
[19:30:17] <slant> man, this is helping a LOT
[19:30:27] <TomJ> it will be replaced in the coming months with OpenSolaris
[19:30:28] <evocallaghan> _mary_kate_:Fine here
[19:30:32] <TomJ> then there will be just Solaris and OpenSolaris
[19:30:40] <TomJ> right nw there's Solaris, OpenSolaris and SXCE
[19:30:47] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: you LU a production system?
[19:30:48] <bigjohnto> what service does the perfmeter use in order to obtain data? is it rstatd?
[19:31:01] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: you *dont* LU a production system?
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[19:31:07] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: not with SXCE ;)
[19:31:15] <_mary_kate_> i use LU to add patches
[19:31:23] <bigjohnto> ie, what service is run on the monitored machien?
[19:31:23] <TomJ> ok right, then i wouldnt use sxce at all :)
[19:31:26] <bigjohnto> machine*
[19:31:28] <evocallaghan> _mary_kate_:lu was ment for production systems, what are you talking about?
[19:31:34] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: yes, but SXCE wasn't
[19:31:45] <TomJ> except in Joyent
[19:31:50] <TomJ> where they just use it for shits and giggles i think
[19:31:50] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: if you run SXCE you have to upgrade to a new build every two weeks to get current fixes
[19:31:56] <TomJ> not beacuse they actually need anything in it
[19:32:02] <TomJ> as in slant's case here
[19:32:29] <evocallaghan> _mary_kate_:I said nothing about SXCE in production. I said "You can lu SXCE"
[19:32:50] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: sorry, your inability to follow a converstion is not my problem
[19:33:14] <evocallaghan> _mary_kate_:What ever, read up^
[19:33:19] * evocallaghan shakes head
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[19:37:02] <slant> sorry, got caught up handling a client's issue. back now
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[19:45:13] <PaulR_> regarding LDOMs, I haven yet to see a config file like there is with zones...is there a config file anywhere for LDOMs?
[19:45:20] <PaulR_> or can you export the configs from dom0 to another dom0 ?
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[19:47:44] <_mary_kate_> PaulR_: LDOMs or Xen domains?
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[19:48:24] <PaulR_> LDOMS
[19:48:28] <PaulR_> on Sparc
[19:48:55] <PaulR_> I'm sure you can do it with Xen
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[19:49:42] <PaulR_> I'd like to be able to move one LDOM from one dom0 to another
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[19:59:17] <h3sp4wn> Be interesting to see what happens with Xen if Microsoft has indeed bought Citrix
[19:59:55] <oxygene> h3sp4wn: worst case: fork
[20:00:10] <_mary_kate_> h3sp4wn: they'll make the trademark license not suck and Sun can finally call it Xen? ;)
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[20:00:53] <PaulR_> what do you mean
[20:00:58] <PaulR_> did MSFT buy Citrix?
[20:01:32] <PaulR_> oh interesting
[20:01:36] <PaulR_> maybe people will move to SGD
[20:01:39] <h3sp4wn> A few people in ##xen managed to convince me it has happened
[20:01:56] <PaulR_> just use SGD
[20:01:58] <PaulR_> its cheaper
[20:03:07] <edgy> Hi, I was asked in an exam which one of these commands are correct: eeprom boot-device=bootdisk02 and setenv boot-device bootdisk02, I thought both do the same thing, no?
[20:03:22] <h3sp4wn> PaulR_: Thats the thing formally known as tarantella right ?>
[20:03:27] <_mary_kate_> edgy: eeprom from solaris, setenv from OBP
[20:03:46] <edgy> _mary_kate_: yes but both would work, right?
[20:04:16] <PaulR_> h3sp4wn:  yes
[20:04:22] <PaulR_> its a lot better now
[20:04:27] <_mary_kate_> well i don't have obp right now to check the syntax, but it looks reasonable
[20:04:34] <edgy> _mary_kate_: please check http://pastebin.ca/1204553
[20:05:53] <edgy> _mary_kate_: unless we shouldn't call an obp command a solaris command, then the question is confusing
[20:06:20] <_mary_kate_> well, setenv _is_ a solaris (csh) command, but it does a different thing, which is maybe what they mean.  (i'd look, but pastebin.ca is being unbelievably slow as usual)
[20:09:58] <edgy> _mary_kate_: setenv is a csh command but it's also a forth command used in the ok  prompt AFAIK but I also don't have a sparc to check
[20:10:12] <_mary_kate_> edgy: yes, what i mean is if you use setenv from solaris, it's not going to do what you want
[20:11:25] <PaulR_> host pserver.mil.instacontent.com
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[20:12:27] <edgy> _mary_kate_: yes sure.
[20:13:01] <PaulR_> anyone do any clustering with LDOMs?
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[20:14:12] <MIPC4> hi
[20:14:18] <lolmac> hi, MIPC4
[20:14:28] <MIPC4> :)
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[20:16:04] <MIPC4> what is the best opensolaris version?
[20:16:40] <oxygene> schillix
[20:17:25] <MIPC4> really?
[20:17:31] <oxygene> no
[20:17:48] <MIPC4> what about the opensolaris developers version
[20:18:17] <PaulR_> what ar eyou trying to do?
[20:18:22] <PaulR_> "best" is an opinion
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[20:20:04] <MIPC4> i want to use it as a desktop
[20:20:16] <PaulR_> I wouldn't use Solaris as a desktop :)
[20:20:24] <MIPC4> ;O
[20:20:33] <MIPC4> solaris 10?
[20:20:41] <PaulR_> I think Nexenta was trying to be the desktop version of SOlaris
[20:21:06] <PaulR_> I have Indiana running in a VM but as a desktop it would be painful
[20:21:36] <PaulR_> I'd rather not worry about my desktop (I use OSX) and rather lose my hair troubleshooting my servers
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[20:24:14] <h3sp4wn> MIPC4: SXCE hasn't given me any major problems - The only app I don't have that I can have on Linux or BSD is k3b
[20:24:17] <oxygene> the use of an OS for desktop depends on if your hardware is supported, and if your usecases can be implemented
[20:24:36] <MIPC4> h3sp4wn i see
[20:24:38] <oxygene> ie. if your hardware works, and you only use your desktop for web, mail and ssh, solaris 10 can be a good choice
[20:25:04] <PaulR_> I personally recommend OSX (4G RAM) with VMware
[20:25:10] <oxygene> on the other hand, if you want to play world of warcraft, you better shell out the money for a windows license ;)
[20:25:29] <PaulR_> I have my S10, Linux, Indiana, XP VMs running at any given time
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[20:26:09] <PaulR_> or get a job for Sun - employees get Macbook Pros
[20:26:17] <oxygene> PaulR_: expensive hardware, proprietary OS (in _every_ sense of the word), and extra cash to shell out (in addition to the hardware) for a usable mouse, after you paid for apple's fashion-taxed mouse already. hurray
[20:26:41] <t_[^^]z> can anyone refer me to a guide for setting up an ftp server in solaris
[20:26:43] <oxygene> now that's something I'll never understand: work for sun, get hardware and software to work with from apple
[20:27:08] <PaulR_> well Solaris is proprietary too
[20:27:25] <PaulR_> trying installing Solaris on a whitebox desktop...its horrible
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[20:27:34] <PaulR_> installing Solaris on a Sun box is a wonderful experience
[20:27:37] <oxygene> I run it on whiteboxes all the time with few issues
[20:27:47] <oxygene> also, it's not proprietary in the sense that they implement standards
[20:27:52] <PaulR_> right but I'm sure you hve made sure ou have all the drivers needed
[20:27:59] <oxygene> not as an afterthought, but as part of the system
[20:28:01] <PaulR_> or the hardware that is compatible with the drivers available from SOlaris
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[20:28:15] <PaulR_> OSX can run on non-apple hardware too with "few issues" :)
[20:28:36] <oxygene> with no authorized update stream, yay
[20:28:56] <oxygene> (well, soon I'll have a non-apple box with 100% original OSX on it, no change necessary)
[20:29:25] <PaulR_> well no to go too far off...I had a MBP CoreDuo (1st Gen X86) I bought for 2k and I sold it this year for 1200...my GF on the otherhand had a Dell D610 and she was able to get about $400 on ebay
[20:29:35] <PaulR_> s/no/not
[20:30:16] <h3sp4wn> My little brother has the same macbook pro (well it isn't because its been sent back to apple so many times probably changed everything)
[20:30:37] <oxygene> I can probably find some idiot who would pay 3.5kEUR for my epia board (TCO so far: 500EUR, incl. power) *shrug*
[20:30:40] <Macabee> my MBP has only gone back once - and that was only with me to store for 5 minutes to get a new battery for free
[20:30:40] <Macabee> :)
[20:31:09] <PaulR_> I've never had any problems personally...I had a processor whine and Apple shipped me a new system a couple days later
[20:31:36] <Macabee> this is my third apple portable - and i'm never unhappy with them tbh
[20:31:37] <h3sp4wn> He was touring in a band with it but apples are marketed to music people
[20:31:38] <PaulR_> and a co-worker of mine recently left his laptop on the top of his car (in a bag) and drove off with it
[20:31:44] <PaulR_> it still works :)
[20:31:49] <Macabee> wish opensolaris would run it properly tho
[20:31:50] <PaulR_> we had to bend the case back into shape
[20:31:51] <Macabee> :)
[20:32:06] <oxygene> to get back to my point: it's no wonder that the solaris desktop has some issues, if no-one with commit privilege actually uses it ;)
[20:32:07] <Macabee> i have to run within virtualbox
[20:32:32] <PaulR_> I have b79 running (currently) under VMWare 2.0 B2
[20:32:56] <PaulR_> I haven't tried Vbox yet
[20:33:24] <Macabee> i prefer vbox for anything xwindows
[20:33:33] <Macabee> vbox additions tend to be a lot more rock solid
[20:33:45] <h3sp4wn> brandz is pretty solid
[20:33:49] <PaulR_> if I didn't already have vmware I'd prolly migrate
[20:33:55] <Macabee> i have both
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[20:33:58] <Macabee> vmware for windows vms
[20:34:02] <Macabee> and vbox for *nix
[20:34:19] <Macabee> as i say - i find vmware + anything not windows = not as smooth as vbox
[20:34:25] <PaulR_> h3sp4wn:  what are you talking about brandz?  running Linux in a Zone?
[20:34:39] <Macabee> probably the only thing you can in IPS 97
[20:35:37] <h3sp4wn> PaulR_: I have to use Cadence stuff under it (crappy licensing issue) but I have never found anyone who managed to get this stuff working under anything other than RHEL 2.1 or RHEL3
[20:35:50] <h3sp4wn> Works perfectly with brandz
[20:36:09] <PaulR_> pretty cool
[20:36:16] <PaulR_> I *love* zones
[20:36:19] <Macabee> same
[20:36:32] <PaulR_> I've recently started clustering them
[20:36:39] <Macabee> zones and zfs are the two great features i love
[20:36:40] <h3sp4wn> Whats not cool is the fact Cadence have the stuff for Solaris but don't think any students run it (x86 and sparc)
[20:36:41] <PaulR_> *thats* the hotness
[20:36:54] <PaulR_> Macabee:  zones+zfs+cluster == mmmm
[20:36:59] <Macabee> for sure
[20:37:08] <Macabee> just wish i could play with zones ON zfs with opensolaris
[20:37:21] <Macabee> but... waiting for the fix a bug to be packaged/released
[20:37:31] <t_[^^]z> can anyone refer me to a guide for setting up an ftp server in solaris
[20:37:32] <PaulR_> you can't?
[20:37:37] <Macabee> PaulR_: pkg is broken
[20:37:46] <Macabee> (because of a bug in the beadm python code)
[20:37:47] <Macabee> in build 97
[20:37:58] <PaulR_> you couldn't do it in earlier builds?
[20:38:01] <Macabee> so as soon as you run 'pkg install' in a non-globabl zone - it dies
[20:38:08] <Macabee> yeah - its a regression
[20:38:18] <Macabee> but my home test server can't run anything below 97
[20:38:22] <h3sp4wn> t_[^^]z: man inetadm
[20:38:26] <t_[^^]z> I've followed the steps on this page but I don't really notice where anything is actually 'turned on'
[20:38:26] <Macabee> because 97 introduced new NIC drivers
[20:38:33] <t_[^^]z> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Transwiki:Solaris_FTP_server_setup
[20:38:41] <Macabee> for reference PaulR_ http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3406
[20:38:47] <PaulR_> interesting
[20:38:47] <h3sp4wn> (inetadm -e svc:/network/ftp:default)
[20:38:52] <h3sp4wn> (something like that)
[20:38:54] <apersson> Anyone know if it's possible to rename repositories once they have been created on opensolaris.org?
[20:38:59] <PaulR_> svcadm enable
[20:39:35] <h3sp4wn> ah never noticed ftp was in both
[20:39:56] <Macabee> PaulR_: so once that bug is fixed - i'll be very happy :)
[20:40:10] <Macabee> well - it is fixed - i mean released
[20:40:37] <PaulR_> what is beadm?
[20:40:46] <PaulR_> is that a nic?
[20:40:57] <h3sp4wn> Its for indiana
[20:41:03] <Macabee> no - beadm the system used to manage multiple versions of the OS
[20:41:06] <Macabee> its like the new LU
[20:41:10] <PaulR_> oh nm
[20:41:15] <Macabee> tied in very closely with the IPS
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[20:41:53] <t_[^^]z> thanks, great command inetadm
[20:41:54] <PaulR_> is this  anew feature with OpenSolaris?
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[20:42:11] <oxygene> Macabee: if it's fixed, and it's python, you should be able to just copy over those .py files, or not?
[20:42:29] <Macabee> oxygene: its fixed and there's no link to source in the defect management
[20:42:35] <Macabee> also doesn't say what file was fixed
[20:42:43] <oxygene> fetch the repository, build it yourself?
[20:42:51] <oxygene> where "build" with python mostly means "copy"
[20:43:10] <Macabee> well aware of that
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[20:43:14] <Macabee> if i new where/how to find it
[20:43:16] <Macabee> i would
[20:43:22] <Macabee> knew*
[20:43:29] <oxygene> hah, so indiana is still as open as back when they started *shrug*
[20:43:46] <Macabee> if by open you mean closed ;P
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[20:44:23] <Macabee>  the defect management should really link directly to source repos so that people could see patches/fixes/diffs
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[20:44:28] <PaulR_> wow
[20:44:31] <PaulR_> beadm is pretty cool
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[20:44:45] <Macabee> indeed it is
[20:45:07] <oxygene> Macabee: indiana was a disaster
[20:45:29] <PaulR_> there is so much new stuff coming in S11 its hard to keep track
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[20:45:59] <e^ipi> Macabee: it's called the changelog
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[20:46:32] <PaulR_> so just to be clear...
[20:46:36] <Macabee> e^ipi: i don't mean any disrespect - but where might that be....
[20:46:37] <e^ipi> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b98/on-changelog-b98.html
[20:46:49] <Macabee> that is the first time i've ever known of its existance
[20:46:56] <domutaka> how can i start gui in opensolaris
[20:47:01] <PaulR_> you can take a snapshot of your OS...and then make changes and if they don't take you can beadm back to the old snap?
[20:47:09] <PaulR_> or "essentially"
[20:47:18] <Macabee> and those are RFE's - not defect numbers from bugzilla
[20:47:21] <oxygene> PaulR_: yes, and package management actions do it automatically
[20:47:33] <domutaka> on red hat i use the startx command but what is on oPensolaris
[20:47:36] <e^ipi> Macabee: it's linked on the announcement every time a new build comes out
[20:47:54] <e^ipi> Macabee: bugzilla isn't the offical repo
[20:48:07] <Macabee> ok so where can i get the fix that is apparently done
[20:48:09] <Macabee> that is mentioned http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3406
[20:48:13] <e^ipi> you can't putback with a bugzilla bug
[20:48:20] <e^ipi> you need a bugster bug
[20:48:36] <ahe> but you should only use pkg and stay away from the gui package manager since it doesn't make a snapshot
[20:48:46] <Macabee> e^ipi: doesn't help tho does it?
[20:48:58] <e^ipi> pardon?
[20:49:01] <Macabee> if this is all 'opensource' where's the source for the fix that fixed that bug
[20:49:09] <Macabee> "Fixed in changeset 219:eb0009d351c43afe41c0e6883129682673c6ecd7"
[20:49:11] <ahe> in fact it ruined my first opensolaris installation and forced me to reinstall
[20:49:11] <Macabee> where do i get that
[20:49:22] <e^ipi> Macabee: from the hg repo
[20:49:32] <e^ipi> and that changelog I gave you
[20:49:53] <e^ipi> there are also diffs at src.opensolaris.org
[20:50:11] <e^ipi> see the 'history' link
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[20:50:51] <Macabee> there is no history link...?
[20:50:55] <Macabee> there is a text box for history
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[20:51:47] <e^ipi> at src.opensolaris.org
[20:51:49] <e^ipi> pick a file
[20:52:05] <Macabee> i don't know the file changed....
[20:52:20] <e^ipi> eg http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/cat/cat.c
[20:52:20] <Macabee> can't i just bring up a changeset
[20:52:30] <Macabee> and list all files changed in a changeset
[20:52:45] <e^ipi> Macabee: yes, through the hg repo
[20:53:03] <domutaka> please someone tell me which is the command for starting graphical moed from the console
[20:53:04] <e^ipi> or search the changelogs
[20:53:20] <e^ipi> domutaka: you enable the gdm service. man svcadm.
[20:53:27] <Macabee> e^ipi: well searching is bringing up nothing
[20:54:25] <e^ipi> then use the hg repo
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[20:54:37] <oxygene> probably wrong repo.. is the beadm  stuff in onnv or in pkg?
[20:54:46] <oxygene> or elsewhere
[20:54:58] <Macabee> oxygene: and that leads to the next question :)
[20:55:19] <Macabee> the point i'm making in a roundabout way... it might all be obvious if you work on the OS - but i'm really finding its not if you don't
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[20:55:42] <oxygene> it's not in pkg, rev 229 is something else (though hg rev numbers aren't stable)
[20:55:47] <e^ipi> you not bothering to look for the code doesn't make it any less open
[20:55:56] <Macabee> i don't know where to find the code
[20:56:09] <Macabee> because it doesn't say on the bug
[20:56:10] <Macabee> at all
[20:56:16] <e^ipi> no, it wouldn't
[20:56:18] <Macabee> it just lists a number and what looks like a hash
[20:56:19] <e^ipi> why would it?
[20:56:26] <e^ipi> that's just ridiculous
[20:56:36] <Macabee> you could help me find it - or patronise me
[20:56:37] <e^ipi> do linux patches say " i got the code from kernel.org " ?
[20:56:38] <e^ipi> no
[20:56:54] <e^ipi> look on os.o for the community/project associated with the code
[20:57:02] <e^ipi> then on their page, there will be a link to the repo
[20:57:07] <oxygene> Macabee: the hash is the stable revision id. get used to it: monotone started it, git, hg and a couple of others copied it
[20:57:11] <e^ipi> this is true of all communities and projects
[20:57:26] <Macabee> oxygene: i understand that - but it doesn't tell me what repo/project
[20:58:01] <e^ipi> Macabee: i say again... linux patches do not say " i got the code from kernel.org "
[20:58:14] <e^ipi> you need to find the repo yourself
[20:58:18] <e^ipi> this is no different
[20:58:20] <oxygene> e^ipi: no, but apt-get packages usually aren't posted on kernel.org either
[20:58:23] <Macabee> the repo for the kernel
[20:58:27] <Macabee> is git.kernel.org
[20:58:30] <Macabee> its all in the same place
[20:58:32] <oxygene> e^ipi: opensolaris.org hosts lots of projects
[20:58:33] <Macabee> but that's a side topic
[20:59:18] <e^ipi> what does the bug fix?
[20:59:19] <e^ipi> start there.
[20:59:32] <e^ipi> look at the project that owns that
[20:59:43] <Macabee> i do not know what project owns that
[20:59:45] <Macabee> i'm asking in here
[20:59:56] <Macabee> and instead of getting an answer from anybody i basically get 'google it'
[20:59:58] <oxygene> product "installer"
[20:59:59] <e^ipi> what's the bug?
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[21:00:13] <Macabee> oxygene: i can't find that on os.org
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[21:00:29] <Macabee> http://opensolaris.org/os/projects/#portal has no reference of the word 'installer'
[21:00:30] <e^ipi> installer ?
[21:00:33] <e^ipi> probably here http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/
[21:00:42] <Macabee> oh because installer == caiman
[21:00:50] <e^ipi> "Caiman, Solaris Install Revisited"
[21:01:02] <e^ipi> control-F
[21:01:03] <Macabee> i search for installer - that's what the bug says
[21:01:06] <e^ipi> then type "install"
[21:01:14] <e^ipi> it's the first thing firefox highlights
[21:01:15] <Macabee> i typed installer - seemed logical
[21:01:16] <h3sp4wn> Actually with regards to mercurial there must be something I am missing with regards to mercuial (2 checkouts one from the sierra intel project and the main onnv-gate) there must be a way so it only needs to download the differences instead of cloning nearly the same stuff
[21:01:21] <Macabee> who says i use firefox?
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[21:02:10] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: hg update might work, but you might end up hand-merging a bunch of stuff
[21:02:11] <oxygene> h3sp4wn: you can probably somehow share the .hg directories. but don't ask me how, that particular aspect of hg and git seems like a bug to me, as I'm used to monotone's workflow
[21:02:12] <th> h3sp4wn: hg help pull?
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[21:02:36] <monzie> who is the SUNWvim maintainer ?
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[21:02:55] <e^ipi> monzie: you misunderstand how we work
[21:02:58] <oxygene> sun marketing, probably - they rule the shop
[21:03:10] <e^ipi> monzie: the SFW people own that package
[21:03:11] <Macabee> e^ipi: thank you - i have found the file
[21:03:30] <Macabee> would be nice of the 'product' part on bugzilla matched the projects directly tho
[21:03:32] <e^ipi> monzie: there is no single 'maintainer'
[21:03:35] <Macabee> then i would have found that instantly
[21:03:38] <h3sp4wn> th: Thats for after you have cloned I always thought
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[21:04:03] <th> h3sp4wn: you can either hg clone or hg init;hg pull
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[21:04:41] <slant> another question, geesh. my laptop died while logged in as root to my server via ssh. I logged in again, of course, but now it is not allowing me to do what I am trying to do since the other session is still logged in
[21:04:45] <YourPatent> is there a channel for chatter about SUN VM?
[21:04:55] <monzie> e^ipi: ok
[21:04:57] <slant> how can I kill that other root session without taking down my web server, etc
[21:05:37] <h3sp4wn> th: I will read some more docs (Its inpractical for me to download 700MB everytime I am interested in the code in a project)
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[21:06:12] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: see if their code is on src.opensolaris.org
[21:06:40] <monzie> to integrate a package into SFW I can do with SFW tarballs or is it necessary to work out of hg.
[21:06:58] <e^ipi> they're not even on hg yet
[21:07:14] <e^ipi> so, the tarball is fine, your sponsor will integrate it correctly
[21:07:19] <monzie> If I have to work out of hg, how do I clone SFW out of hg?
[21:07:28] <e^ipi> you don't, they're not on hg
[21:07:50] <e^ipi> they will probably be soon, but i dunno
[21:08:09] <th> h3sp4wn: i dont even understand why you think that would be required.
[21:08:18] <monzie> But I can checkout ON out of hg right?
[21:08:24] <e^ipi> monzie: yes
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[21:08:56] * YourPatent is running a SUN VM with full Audio (XM Radio) Windows XP on Debian 64 :)
[21:09:18] <e^ipi> YourPatent: this relates to solaris how exactly?
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[21:09:36] <e^ipi> heya sstallion_work
[21:09:40] <monzie> e^ipi: is there any particular reason why we cant clone  SFW out of hg? legal reasons or technical?
[21:09:43] <YourPatent> My question was : is there a channel for chatter about Virtual Box
[21:09:51] <e^ipi> monzie: because they haven't moved the code to hg yet
[21:10:04] <monzie> e^ipi: ok.
[21:10:23] <e^ipi> monzie: it's technical reasons... it's hard to move the teamware workspace to hg
[21:10:32] <calumb> YourPatent: yes, #vbox
[21:10:42] <YourPatent> thank you - just found it
[21:10:48] <monzie> e^ipi: ok. thanks for the explaination and your time!
[21:10:52] <e^ipi> YourPatent: obligatory: "you should use solaris and drop debian"
[21:11:04] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: heya
[21:11:05] <e^ipi> had to be done.
[21:11:24] <YourPatent> e^ipi - I need a better PC for Solaris
[21:11:40] <monzie> YourPatent: me too
[21:12:01] <YourPatent> 768 Mb ram is not enough for Solaris for me
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[21:12:25] <slant> any ideas on that killing another session question?
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[21:13:34] <e^ipi> slant: you can see if the ssh session is in ps somewhere and kill it
[21:13:41] <e^ipi> or the shell hooked off of it
[21:13:44] <e^ipi> ptree
[21:13:55] <e^ipi> that'll give you a tree of PID/PPID
[21:15:10] <sstallion_work> gah this snv_97 rebuild has been hell
[21:15:24] <slant> e^ipi: I am only showing two things when I use "ps": 'bash', and 'ps'
[21:15:41] <slant> do I need to add anything to that ps command to allow me to see other things
[21:15:42] <slant> ?
[21:15:48] <slant> ah, like -a
[21:15:49] <slant> lol
[21:16:28] <slant> so, how can I go about *safely* killing that other session, would that simply be "kill pid"?
[21:16:32] <h3sp4wn> th: http://rafb.net/p/ntre6k46.html
[21:16:41] <slant> the "bash" pid, I'm assuming
[21:16:48] <e^ipi> yeah
[21:16:55] <slant> thanks e^ipi
[21:17:14] <e^ipi> but that'll kill the current session
[21:17:18] <slant> it's not killing it, hmm
[21:17:25] <slant> well, there are two bash's on there
[21:17:28] <sstallion_work> slant: pkill -U user and just login again
[21:17:32] <slant> I'm killing the one that is not mine
[21:17:37] <e^ipi> ps -e             Lists information  about  every  process  now running.
[21:17:51] <sstallion_work> ps -fU <user> tends to be useful as well
[21:18:07] <slant> how can I see which user is associated to each entry returned?
[21:18:13] <e^ipi> f will give you a full listing
[21:18:16] <e^ipi> ef will do both
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[21:18:20] <slant> fatnatsic
[21:18:22] <e^ipi> it's all in the ps man page
[21:18:24] <slant> arg, thanks so much guys
[21:18:25] <e^ipi> you should read it
[21:18:32] <slant> I guess I'll head over to that now :)
[21:18:35] <slant> but really, thank you
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[21:18:49] <e^ipi> ( by the way, ps -ef works everywhere... ps aux does not. use the first one for cross platform compatibility )
[21:19:00] <h3sp4wn> ps -ef doesn't work on BSD
[21:19:06] <e^ipi> yes it does
[21:19:40] <slant> h3sp4wn: looks like it is
[21:19:57] <smtms> e^ipi, better try ps -ax on BSD
[21:20:06] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: -ef is equ. to aux
[21:20:19] <h3sp4wn> imp# ps -ef
[21:20:19] <h3sp4wn> ps: unknown option -- f
[21:20:56] <sstallion_work> (linux supports both SYSV and BSD styles); Solaris and BSD use one or the other
[21:21:01] <sstallion_work> (not counting /usr/ucb)
[21:22:44] <codestr0m> anyone know of something like patch --no-backup-if-mismatch that's portable? I'm not sure I want to just rm *.orig files afterward..
[21:22:55] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: just use gpatch everywhere
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[21:23:06] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: that breaks things.
[21:24:10] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: I thought about that, but that's not a preferred solution
[21:24:32] <codestr0m> I could filter them at another stage, but.. that's also possibly not preferred
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[21:25:16] <slant> sstallion_work: unless I'm not understanding the situation completely, I think I'd be in a lot of trouble with my server if I killed everything associated with "root" since apache is run by root. does that seem logical?
[21:25:34] <e^ipi> codestr0m: does -r /dev/null work?
[21:25:55] <sstallion_work> slant: don't run user processes as root ;)
[21:25:59] <sstallion_work> slant: but yes, that would be bad
[21:26:06] <slant> I agree, this was setup a loooong time ago
[21:26:20] <slant> I don't know how to change it, nor do I wish to open that can of worms
[21:26:34] <slant> but yeah, don't worry, you and I are on the same page regarding that topic.
[21:26:47] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I'm trying to convert something like this "patch -p0 -g0 --no-backup-if-mismatch < /opt/foo/bar.patch"
[21:26:59] <codestr0m> I'll look at -r
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[21:33:29] <domutaka> what is the command for reboot on opensolaris
[21:33:41] <domutaka> please help
[21:33:46] <sstallion_work> domutaka: shutdown -g0 -i6 -y
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[21:34:13] <holcomb> or init 6
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[21:34:22] <holcomb> there should be a milestone for it...
[21:34:53] <e^ipi> domutaka: 'man reboot'
[21:35:12] <domutaka> why
[21:35:16] <sstallion_work> I don't believe that shutdown and init 6 do quite the same thing
[21:35:24] <sstallion_work> I *think* there are (or were) some subtle differences
[21:35:33] <sstallion_work> same with reboot
[21:35:39] <holcomb> reboot is definitely not the same
[21:35:45] <holcomb> shutdown throws a message maybe?
[21:35:56] <e^ipi> probably not in $PATH
[21:36:35] <domutaka> no message at all it says command not found. where is shutdown located
[21:36:59] <e^ipi> it's in /usr/sbin
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[21:37:27] <e^ipi> that's documented in the man page
[21:37:30] <e^ipi> you should read it.
[21:37:45] <domutaka> how can i add it in the $PATH you told
[21:37:46] <PerterB> now that's just crazy talk
[21:38:01] <oxygene> e^ipi: sure it's still documented on opensolaris? after all, bad documentation is part of the linux experience it's after
[21:38:03] <e^ipi> man sh
[21:38:09] <kito> reboot(1M) seems like it changed in indiana
[21:38:15] <kito> or did I imagine that
[21:38:26] <sstallion_work> kito: I suspect you are right
[21:38:43] <sstallion_work> I seem to recall trying to use reboot(1M) on Indiana the other day with some unexpected results ;)
[21:39:26] <kito> I used it and the results were unexpected in that the result was a seemingly sane actual reboot
[21:39:33] <kito> as opposed toa hard immediate shutdown
[21:40:09] <sstallion_work> kito: reboot is not init 6
[21:40:19] <sstallion_work> reboot is used to reload the kernel
[21:40:39] <sstallion_work> s/reload/restart/ (makes more sense)
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[21:41:14] <sstallion_work> if you want a 'nice' shutdown, either use init or shutdown
[21:41:30] <kito> right, I generally init 6
[21:41:43] <kito> I don't remember why I used reboot
[21:42:03] <kito> but it seemed like it was doing something different compared to say <snv63
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[21:45:18] <codestr0m> does Solaris not understand universal diffs? it's prompting now for "File to patch"
[21:45:24] <codestr0m> solaris patch*
[21:45:40] <e^ipi> check your -pX
[21:45:54] <oxygene> it understands them. but it doesn't go out of its way to fix the paths
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[21:53:46] <codestr0m> solution.. depend on gpatch
[21:54:12] <domutaka> i cant login as root it gives error
[21:54:26] <codestr0m> domutaka: locally or remotely?
[21:54:36] <domutaka> on my computer
[21:55:02] <domutaka> locally
[21:55:49] <domutaka> but i can login as other user
[21:55:58] <kito> gpatch > solaris patch
[21:56:11] <domutaka> any help ?
[21:56:12] <kito> same for find, sed, and grep!
[21:56:26] <codestr0m> kito: yeah, but I'm trying to stay posix compliant and not depend on GNU things
[21:56:40] <kito> domutaka does 'su' work?
[21:56:44] <kito> codestr0m fair enough
[21:56:47] <domutaka> yes
[21:57:01] <domutaka> but i am tired of su and su again for anything
[21:57:08] <kito> domutaka sorry, not sure then
[21:57:16] <kito> is it giving an error?
[21:57:20] <domutaka> yes
[21:57:26] <kito> can't gert a secure tty?
[21:57:32] <kito> s/gert/get/
[21:57:44] <domutaka> what
[21:57:51] <kito> whats the error
[21:58:02] <domutaka> wait i start my computer
[21:58:12] <domutaka> it is there
[21:58:54] <domutaka> ok it is starting
[21:59:41] <domutaka> why solaris always show very few things while booting. other linux show many things
[21:59:58] <domutaka> aha one error is come
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[22:00:34] <domutaka> WARNING : no randomness provider for /dev/random   and booting is going on
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[22:01:13] <domutaka> ok here it is                       opensolaris console login:
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[22:01:36] <domutaka> i enter user "root"
[22:01:40] <domutaka> and the psasword
[22:01:46] <domutaka> and a message is come
[22:02:21] <domutaka> roles can only be assumed by authorized users
[22:02:25] <domutaka> login incorrect
[22:02:45] <domutaka> login account failure : permission denied
[22:03:09] <domutaka> this is the problem . i ahve enetered the correct  password though
[22:03:20] <domutaka> what should i do ?
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[22:04:15] <domutaka> hello anybody ?
[22:04:18] <lolmac> hi, domutaka
[22:04:36] <domutaka> lolmac: yes
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[22:05:57] <domutaka> please help. i can see there are so many persons here
[22:06:05] <sergiusens> domutaka: root is configured as a role and not as a login user
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[22:06:38] <domutaka> so what should i do now
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[22:06:55] <sergiusens> domutaka: if you googled for "role root" you would've found the answer by now
[22:07:11] <domutaka> how can i  make it a user from role
[22:07:17] <sergiusens> domutaka: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/login.html
[22:07:27] <domutaka> ok. i am connecting to it
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[22:08:44] <domutaka> oh now i see
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[22:10:47] <domutaka> woooww now i can login as root . thanks everybody
[22:11:25] <e^ipi> don't thank us, thank google
[22:11:52] <domutaka> ok. thanks google
[22:11:53] <sergiusens> actually he never searched...
[22:12:22] <domutaka> can i download this help
[22:12:28] <domutaka> in one file
[22:13:32] <domutaka> i mean like pdf so i can read it at home
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[22:15:55] <domutaka> i am not seeing a user like google. why you want to thank him
[22:16:07] <e^ipi> domutaka: har har.
[22:16:35] <e^ipi> domutaka: information is easily found on google
[22:16:39] <e^ipi> you should ask there first
[22:16:42] <domutaka> e^ipi: what
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[22:20:36] <domutaka> in my country we dont have googles.
[22:21:03] <domutaka> is it some kind of call center
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[22:22:09] <timeless> !seen dduval
[22:22:11] <Drone> I've never seen dduval talk in #opensolaris.
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[22:22:17] <timeless> !seen duval
[22:22:18] <Drone> I've never seen duval talk in #opensolaris.
[22:22:21] <bhall> !seen dduvall
[22:22:22] <timeless> !seen danek
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[22:22:24] <Drone> dduvall is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Mon 30 Jun 2008 23:51 GMT, saying 'Anyway, I'm about to head out.  See you in a bit.'.
[22:22:24] <Drone> I've never seen danek talk in #opensolaris.
[22:22:37] <timeless> oops, clearly i can't type :)
[22:22:37] <timeless> thanks
[22:22:40] <bhall> np
[22:22:54] <timeless> dduvall: so i asked gmail to send a reply
[22:23:02] <timeless> but it insists that a server error is preventing that
[22:24:59] <dduvall> Odd.
[22:25:00] <domutaka> ok. enough now. have you listened this word : extended period of kidding. i was doing just that
[22:25:10] <domutaka> any ways thanks e^ipi
[22:25:41] <domutaka> your patience is much better than the solaris
[22:25:56] <domutaka> :)
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[22:33:16] <domutaka> bye everyone , and sorry.
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[23:29:47] <bigjohnto>  what command can you use to find out what ethernet interfaces still exist unused?
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[23:35:46] <seanmcg> dladm
[23:36:01] <seanmcg> dladm show-dev, dladm show-link
[23:36:21] <bigjohnto> dladm doesn't exist
[23:36:23] <bigjohnto> solaris 8
[23:37:09] <seanmcg> sorry, since this is the #opensolaris channel I assumed you'd be using ... some opensolaris based system :)
[23:37:23] <seanmcg> try this instead: ifconfig -a plumb; ifconfig -a
[23:37:35] <seanmcg> anything without an IP address is unused.
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[23:54:41] <TrX> Hey guys, quick question. Running an IntelPro/1000 XF SC Fiber card in a solaris snv95 box. device is plumbed in fine using the e1000g driver and assigned an IP. However, I'm only getting 100Mbit speeds (pulling around 9MB/s over TCP transport) can someone suggest some commands to start looking into/diagnosing this issue? Thanks.
[23:58:34] <sstallion_work> TrX: what does dladm show-link e1000g0 reveal ?
[23:59:38] <TrX> bash-3.2# dladm show-link e1000g1
[23:59:38] <TrX> LINK        CLASS    MTU    STATE    OVER
[23:59:38] <TrX> e1000g1     phys     1500   up       --
[23:59:38] <TrX> bash-3.2#
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[23:59:52] <sstallion_work> and show-phys ?





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