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[00:13:06] <codestr0m> well. finally answered my question about how to figure how which options a package is/was built with
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[00:15:37] * sartek excited
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[00:22:54] * codestr0m hates m4
[00:23:13] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: lol you hugged it not so long ago :P
[00:23:31] * xRaich[o]2x is installing freebsd7.1 beta right now.
[00:23:32] <codestr0m> you're kidding.. I only hugged it so I could get close enough to stab it
[00:23:46] <xRaich[o]2x> i want to check out dtrace support ^^
[00:23:58] <xRaich[o]2x> harhar
[00:24:14] <codestr0m> they could just save themselves some time and port ports over to os2008*
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[00:24:31] <xRaich[o]2x> yuk ports
[00:24:46] <codestr0m> then IPS would have some real competition
[00:24:50] <codestr0m> ;)
[00:25:06] <xRaich[o]2x> dude even the freebsd folks are searching for a replacement for ports :P
[00:25:09] <e^ipi> pkgsrc works on SXCE
[00:25:13] <xRaich[o]2x> so i've been told but well
[00:25:37] <codestr0m> I'm in the process of getting portage to bootstrap as I want now
[00:25:50] <codestr0m> I'm un-GNUing it
[00:25:53] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: use nexenta and enjoy the awesomeness of.... APT :P
[00:26:17] <coffman> brrr
[00:26:19] <e^ipi> not exactly sure why you'd want either, but whatever
[00:26:20] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: tried that earlier and the un-awesomeness of apt it was.. along with other problems
[00:26:49] <xRaich[o]2x> harhar
[00:26:53] <codestr0m> I mean.. the alpha I needed didn't even have sunwcsu :P
[00:27:30] <xRaich[o]2x> is nexenta still alpha?
[00:27:50] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: they have a more stable version, but I need a more recent kernel for drivers
[00:27:58] <codestr0m> so had to pull the alpha
[00:28:03] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[00:28:05] <e^ipi> plus it's all GNU-y
[00:28:18] <xRaich[o]2x> another drawback
[00:30:03] <xRaich[o]2x> but well, nexenta is like methadone for debian admins ^^
[00:30:21] <xRaich[o]2x> not flaming nexenta here
[00:30:27] <coffman> "more recent kernel for drivers"
[00:30:30] <coffman> its solaris dude
[00:30:50] <codestr0m> coffman: ?
[00:31:46] <coffman> codestr0m: well, drivers should work on older solaris versions
[00:31:57] <im_alone> i wanted to run opensolaris-based distro on vbox to develop programs with opensolaris interface, what's the most recommended distro for the developer?
[00:32:28] <codestr0m> coffman: maybe you're missing part of this conversation.. I'll try to be more clear for you.. I needed the alpha versio of nexenta because my nic driver isn't support before snv95
[00:33:25] <coffman> im_alone: depends, sxce if you ask me
[00:33:28] <coffman> codestr0m: sure
[00:33:39] <coffman> codestr0m: but you could do a backport easy
[00:34:02] <codestr0m> coffman: it's a waste of my time
[00:34:42] <coffman> if its a waste of your time, it should be no problem to use a alpha version for you :P
[00:34:52] <codestr0m> they could just as easy or easier backport the kernel package.. in fact they probably should if I can guess about the security issues
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[00:35:10] <codestr0m> coffman: I like to pick my battles
[00:35:36] <codestr0m> I'll port telephony bits.. if I have to port postgres, tcsh, ksh93, kernel drivers.. etc + all my other work
[00:35:38] <codestr0m> screw that
[00:36:26] <e^ipi> codestr0m: use SXCE and be happy.
[00:36:46] <codestr0m> e^ipi: don't worry I won't ask for your input :)
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[00:38:54] <xRaich[o]2x> .oO(.....oh boy....)
[00:39:38] * wonko2 is ready to stab all the libfaac/libfaad/ffmpeg developers in the face
[00:40:02] <xRaich[o]2x> you could kick some mplayer devs too ;)
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[00:40:42] <coffman> heh
[00:40:51] <wonko2> i'm sure that could be arranged
[00:40:52] <wonko2> ;)
[00:41:03] <xRaich[o]2x> fine, i'll bring popcorn :P
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[00:41:40] <coffman> mplayer..
[00:42:07] <coffman> i have problems with nvidia+twinview+dualhead+compiz+mplayer
[00:42:09] <coffman> gar
[00:42:25] <coffman> tearing
[00:42:43] <wonko2> stop using compiz and your life will get better
[00:42:44] <wonko2> ;)
[00:43:05] <coffman> but it looks so good!!!111elf
[00:43:41] * xRaich[o]2x likes the maclike expose stuff *hides*
[00:44:19] <wonko2> yeah, after ditching gnome (aka java desktop) and compiz, my computer got useful again
[00:44:22] <wonko2> ;)
[00:44:36] <xRaich[o]2x> what are you using now?
[00:44:43] <xRaich[o]2x> just curious
[00:45:01] <wonko2> fluxbox
[00:45:15] <wonko2> wonko@zaphod$ gmake
[00:45:15] <wonko2> Makefile:60: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.
[00:45:18] * wonko2 screams
[00:45:29] <xRaich[o]2x> are you using gmake?
[00:45:36] <wonko2> yes
[00:45:42] <coffman> pff, for what do i have a full blown nvidia card?
[00:45:54] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: vpenis
[00:46:25] <coffman> nah
[00:46:35] <wonko2> coffman: nothing it seems, since the OMFGFAST nvidia card in this laptop still couldn't keep compiz from sucking
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[00:50:34] <h3sp4wn> wonko2: The latest stable nvidia drivers (and the newer beta) driver seem to be alot more stable (quadro 1600m)
[00:51:02] <wonko2> i never had any stability issues
[00:51:15] <wonko2> just that compiz seemed to overpower the card
[00:51:18] <wonko2> which is..... odd
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[00:54:31] <h3sp4wn> I ment with compiz enabled - the 177 ones made it usable
[00:54:38] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: I like expose. the compiz expose clone acts too different
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[00:54:55] <e^ipi> in compiz, the windows bounce around when settling in to position
[00:55:07] <e^ipi> expose is clean and they stop when they're where they're supposed to be
[00:55:12] * e^ipi hates the bouncing
[00:55:22] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: i didn't mean compiz in the first place. in fact i used the kde4 compostiting stuff for a long time
[00:55:27] <benley> you can turn that stuff off, you know
[00:55:41] <e^ipi> benley: not the bouncing on the expose-like effect
[00:55:55] <benley> oh.
[00:56:08] <benley> oh well.  I continue to use windowmaker, which supports none of this.
[00:57:14] <e^ipi> like, the windows go too far, and then slide backwards to where they should be
[00:57:27] <e^ipi> on expose (mac) they slide where they're supposed to be in one clean fluid movement
[00:57:48] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm windowmaker is great
[00:57:55] <xRaich[o]2x> i use that on my freebsd box
[00:58:03] <e^ipi> i'm a flux fan myself
[00:58:09] <coffman> waaah
[00:58:15] <coffman> i need to compile boost
[00:58:18] <coffman> waaaah
[00:59:11] <benley> is that a problem?
[00:59:22] <benley> I'm pretty sure I built boost packages for blastwave at one point
[00:59:39] <coffman> benley: it takes time
[00:59:40] <h3sp4wn> coffman: It can build with libstdcxx
[00:59:56] <h3sp4wn> (as opposed to libstdc++ so you can use sunstudio)
[01:00:24] <coffman> h3sp4wn: i have it in the build framework
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[01:16:10] <coffman> the tearing problems are not limited to compiz :(
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[01:42:08] <coffman> gar
[01:42:13] <coffman> ludelete fails on me
[01:42:15] <coffman> hmpf
[01:42:21] <coffman> http://pastebin.ca/1202912
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[02:04:07] <coffman> still not working :( http://pastebin.ca/1202923
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[02:10:13] <woolsey> ok, I've just reinstalled 2008.05 and pkg image-update...init 6...grub comes up and I choose opensolaris-1.  grub goes away, something flashes on my screen, and then poof, my computer reboots back to POST.  I can boot the original install, but not even sure where to start looking for what is wrong with opensolaris-1.  Anybody got some pointers?
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[02:11:44] <nachox> woolsey, when you update from that particular release, you need to update grub
[02:12:08] <woolsey> that doesn't happen as part of the 'pkg image-update'?
[02:13:24] <nachox> no
[02:14:46] <nachox> read http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=62982&tstart=0
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[02:15:40] <sartek> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/
[02:16:02] <nachox> there, that one is much better :P
[02:16:34] <woolsey> nachox/sartek, cool thanks!, I'll give that a try
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[02:29:57] <woolsey> nachox, thanks, worked great!
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[02:53:54] <coffman> SUNWsudo
[02:54:13] <coffman> you fucking shitting me?
[02:54:35] <hile_> jesus christ
[02:55:13] <FurnaceBoy> omgwtf
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[02:57:19] <nachox> coffman, ?
[02:57:35] <nachox> check opensolaris-arc
[02:59:07] <coffman> whats next? bash as root shell?
[03:00:24] <nachox> isnt it? in indiana i mean
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[03:01:17] <sartek> coffman: what's your problem? if THE user wants it let's deliver it ! (i'm not a sudo fan btw)
[03:01:33] <CodeWar> in the kernel is there code that is common between ISRs/bottom half handlers and the rest of the kernel. If there is do they use sleep locks
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[03:03:47] <coffman> sartek: if i wont to have a solaris kernel with an gnu userland i take nexenta
[03:04:07] <coffman> i ask we does we need to give "the user" what he wants?
[03:04:17] <coffman> the user does not know
[03:05:13] <sartek> sudo is just a fucking program your userland wont affected, you can use or not use it
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[03:06:21] <FurnaceBoy> and what's sudo got to do with GNU...
[03:06:59] <nachox> coffman, unfortunately the user buys the software, and in particular sudo is what admins use in a multiplatform environment
[03:07:25] <coffman> sure, and i did used it on solaris, but we have a better solution for that
[03:07:29] <e^ipi> it's a matter of encouraging the use of the superior tools
[03:07:37] <sartek> coffman: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/history.html
[03:07:48] <e^ipi> the choices are 1) encourage the better tools; 2) deliver the inferior tools
[03:07:55] <e^ipi> seems as though the overall direction is #2
[03:08:04] <nachox> not really, you can do both
[03:08:23] <sartek> i thought that foss software is about choice
[03:08:52] <coffman> sartek: sure, but why does it need to be installed by default?
[03:09:05] <nachox> too many choices are counter productive
[03:09:13] <e^ipi> sartek: paralyzing choice.
[03:09:16] <sartek> it is ?
[03:09:23] <nachox> who says it will be installed by default?
[03:09:34] <coffman> sartek: its is on sxce b97
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[03:10:02] <sartek> coffman: in the FULL install no?
[03:10:29] <nachox> everything is installed by default in sxce
[03:10:36] <coffman> sartek: in the full install
[03:10:58] <sartek> so ? you choose full you get full ? dont see the problem
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[03:11:43] <coffman> sartek: pls.. you dont get it...
[03:12:06] <sartek> coffman: so you are a CDE user no?
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[03:15:43] <coffman> sartek: so you are a ubuntu loser no?
[03:16:16] <sartek> coffman: no, why? can you answer my question ?
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[03:17:25] <coffman> pls troll somewhere else sartek
[03:17:37] <sartek> me?
[03:17:47] <coffman> yes
[03:18:31] <sartek> why i'm trolling ?
[03:18:51] <SplasPood> err
[03:19:37] <SplasPood> I don't think he was trolling
[03:19:59] <xRaich[o]2x>  coffman: sartek: so you are a ubuntu loser no? <- this looks more like trolling to me
[03:20:01] <SplasPood> I could see how someone might've thought coffman was...
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[03:24:03] <e^ipi> hey comay
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[03:26:21] <comay> hey there e^ipi
[03:27:54] <e^ipi> how goes?
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[03:35:50] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: asking if im a CDE user is quite stupid
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[03:36:03] <coffman> there is no CDE left in sxce
[03:36:29] <coffman> and NO i wasnt a CDE user
[03:36:47] <coffman> and no that has nothing to do with the issue
[03:36:53] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: calling someone 'ubuntu loser' is better?
[03:37:00] <nachox> of course :)
[03:37:56] <sartek> i think "JDS" is in "gnu userland" too
[03:38:18] <coffman> i dont know, but he tried to make a point that im old minded bla bla because i would use cde
[03:38:30] <coffman> sartek: there is no jds left dude
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[03:40:10] <sartek> better
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[03:42:15] <coffman> there are reason why there is a different userland on solaris, like ls - because gnu ls does not know about acls etc
[03:42:24] <coffman> *s
[03:43:00] <sartek> i dont refered to old minded bla bla ... i refered to gnu vs non gnu userland, so gnome definitely  is gnu..
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[03:43:24] <sartek> yep.. i changed the default patch.. i dont see why is that duplication
[03:43:27] <xRaich[o]2x> i think it's more about command line tools and not graphical interface
[03:43:41] <sartek> *path
[03:44:49] <sartek> there are  several useful gnu (command line) tools
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[03:44:57] <coffman> sure
[03:45:28] <coffman> but i think its quite risky to ship sudo per default on sxce
[03:45:50] <sartek> no other choice
[03:45:54] <coffman> i would have no problem to install it via ips on opensolaris 2008.05
[03:46:14] <coffman> but its the wrong signal you give with that
[03:46:24] <xRaich[o]2x> agreed
[03:47:18] <coffman> who needs users that arent interested in the system?
[03:47:30] <coffman> solaris is no os for your grandma
[03:48:48] <sartek> so what is opensolaris (the distro) is all about ?
[03:49:34] <coffman> well, i can tell you how it should be
[03:49:59] <sartek> grandma is included in world domination
[03:50:03] <sartek> :)
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[03:50:44] <coffman> solaris 10 for operation, sxce as a preview and dev platform for future solaris10 and opensolaris 2xxx.xx as the playground where you could break with all legacy
[03:50:48] <Molle> hi
[03:51:38] <Molle> i recently installed a opensolaris 2008.05 in a virtal box environment and just played around with it a bit, can you tell me what /export is good for and why /home is under /export?
[03:51:51] <Molle> is there a good guide about file system layout somewhere?
[03:53:59] <nachox> Molle, /export is tratitionally a directory exported through nfs in solaris, and solaris is intended to work in a netwoked environment where users have only one home regardless of the workstation they use
[03:54:32] <Molle> ok nice, so its like a net /mnt
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[03:55:13] <nachox> no, /mnt is usually a place where you mount things, /export is meant to be exported
[03:55:27] <coffman> sartek: afaik opensolaris 2xxx.xx is there to allure the average linux user
[03:55:45] <nachox> you'll see that the automounter usually just loopback mounts /export/home in /home
[03:56:02] <coffman> why would you want them in the first place? (the linux user)
[03:56:36] <Molle> nachox: ah now i got it :-)
[03:56:38] <Molle> nachox: thx
[03:56:47] <nachox> no problem, i hope you like the os
[03:57:29] <Molle> nachox: zfs, the good documentation and tighter integration of much stuff (like that administrator groups) make it very interesting
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[03:57:55] <nachox> administrator group? :P
[03:58:07] <Molle> nachox: thats the main thing i hate about linux, the documentation is misrable...
[03:58:15] <nachox> isnt that an AIX thing?
[03:58:16] <Molle> nachox: haha, i dont know how to call it in solaris terms
[03:58:20] <xRaich[o]2x> Molle: full ack on that ^^
[03:58:29] <nachox> Molle, describe it then
[03:58:35] <Molle> nachox: you can assign different roles to users
[03:58:45] <Molle> nachox: admnister cifs, administer these adm that
[03:58:47] <nachox> ohh, RBAC, that's the name
[03:58:54] <Molle> yeah totaly nice feature
[03:59:14] <Molle> rabc handels acl on files too don't it?
[03:59:25] <Molle> rbac*
[03:59:37] <nachox> Molle, if only there was a more friendly way to use it than the current one...
[04:00:46] <Molle> nachox: hm just took a quick look at the gui, have to evaluate it further
[04:01:29] <nachox> Molle, i didnt understand what you meant by rbac hadling acls
[04:02:21] <Molle> nachox: i mean acess control lists on files
[04:02:38] <Molle> nachox: like winnt does, add groups and users and give them rwx access
[04:03:52] <nachox> Molle, that has nothing to do with RBAC, it's more a filesystem feature, and ZFS has nfsv4 like acls which are very similar to windows' acls
[04:04:35] <Molle> ok, thanks again :), just trying to get the big picture, opensolaris looks very good
[04:04:59] <Molle> just running ddtool on my work machine ;)
[04:05:26] <xRaich[o]2x> Molle: you might be interested in #opensolaris-de.
[04:05:50] <nachox> what's the -de?
[04:06:02] <xRaich[o]2x> german opensolaris community ^^
[04:06:37] <Molle> hehe, yeah
[04:07:27] <Molle> hm bad, my sb audigy, ati azalia and marvel gbit ethernet controller are not supported :(
[04:08:13] <coffman> Molle: not true
[04:08:25] <coffman> Molle: which marvel? yukon>?
[04:08:26] <Molle> yes sry, its the game port of my audigy
[04:08:35] <nachox> Molle, check the oss sound drivers
[04:09:05] <Molle> coffman: marvel ah yea the yokonx drivers are indicated, but only for 64 bit
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[04:09:25] <coffman> Molle: you dont have 64bits?
[04:09:32] <Molle> i have :)
[04:09:50] <coffman> Molle: you booted the live cd only?
[04:10:07] <Molle> coffman: no i just used the ddtool from sun
[04:10:15] <Molle> coffman: to tell me if my hardware is supported
[04:10:36] <Molle> coffman: the solaris installation is running inside virtual box
[04:11:33] <coffman> ah
[04:12:29] <Molle> hm, the bad thing is that i have 2 sound cards in my system and i need one to listen to music in a 7.1 setup and the other for using voip telephony
[04:13:06] <nachox> check the oss drivers
[04:13:45] <Molle> yeah ok
[04:14:13] <Molle> got to go now bye
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[04:28:37] <ninjaslim> what's everyone's opinion of Nexenta
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[04:40:30] <nachox> night guys
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[04:43:06] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: you've asked that question a bunch of time in the last few days
[04:43:20] <e^ipi> why not try it, try SXCE, try indiana, and use whichever you like best, eh?
[04:45:09] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: i haven't posted in like 10 days, and i have tried almost all of 'em, Nexenta seems too Ubuntu-ish, i just wanted other people's opinions
[04:46:15] <e^ipi> i agree with you
[04:46:23] <e^ipi> it's too GNU-y for my taste
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[04:47:08] <e^ipi> i use SXCE because i know the sort of quality control that goes in to it
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[04:50:18] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: i thought SXCE was untested? what quality control?
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[04:52:04] <jtmuzix> i still like solaris 10 08/05
[04:52:09] <jtmuzix> or 05/08 rather
[04:52:10] <e^ipi> everything that gets putback is tested, code reviewed, if it has architectural impact it goes through an architectural review committee
[04:52:27] <e^ipi> then the whole mess of it is thrown together, tested a bunch, then released
[04:52:37] <jtmuzix> i'm not much for the candy coat linux desktop feel
[04:52:45] <jtmuzix> if I want that, I'll run osx
[04:52:55] <e^ipi> indeed
[04:53:00] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: oh so it's suitable for use as a desktop, also does it have IPS and such
[04:53:14] <ninjaslim> i run OS X and FreeBSD, the combo works great but i like Solaris too
[04:53:24] <ninjaslim> Linux put me off but we've had this conversation tons of times
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[04:54:02] <e^ipi> no, it doesn't have IPS
[04:54:21] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: then what's for package managemtn?
[04:54:27] <e^ipi> sysv packages
[04:54:34] <ninjaslim> oy
[04:54:36] <e^ipi> which work quite well
[04:54:51] <ninjaslim> but that's manually dependency res
[04:55:36] <e^ipi> and?
[04:55:49] <e^ipi> dependency resolution is an NP-complete problem
[04:56:01] <e^ipi> it is almost mathematically impossible to get right
[04:56:44] <e^ipi> i consider manual dependency resolution to be a feature.
[04:57:03] <ninjaslim> well things like IPS make i a little better
[04:57:11] <jtmuzix> its not fun but it is solvable
[04:57:45] <e^ipi> jtmuzix: not in polynomial time it's not
[04:57:51] <jtmuzix> a true np complete problem takes an unbelievable amount of time
[04:57:55] <ninjaslim> so is there like a utility for installing packages?
[04:58:02] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: pkgadd
[04:58:02] <jtmuzix> and then there is still no guaranty that it will be solved
[04:58:08] <jtmuzix> it's like n...
[04:58:39] <e^ipi> jtmuzix: and apt/yum/portage/etc all just make a best-guess attempt at dependency resolution
[04:58:58] <e^ipi> nad there is no guarantee that your system will be in a coherent state after it's done
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[04:59:01] <jtmuzix> we're taking 10^8*32 years to solve some 'real' np complete problems on modern day computers... however quantum computers may help alievate this problem
[04:59:20] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: so is SXCE usable for desktop and such? are applications available?
[04:59:41] <e^ipi> jtmuzix: dependency resolution /is/ a "real" np-complete problem. it's 3SAT
[04:59:57] <edgy> Hi, pcred `pgrep sendmail` shows e/r/suid=25 e/r/sgid=25, would you please help me understand this?
[05:00:22] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: yes, i use it on my desktop. it's got a lot of applications included, and spec-files-extra takse care of the rest
[05:00:47] <jtmuzix> e^ipi: didn't know that
[05:00:50] <jtmuzix> where can I read about it
[05:00:51] <jtmuzix> ?
[05:01:29] <jtmuzix> i know that process schedulers face NP complete limitations
[05:01:33] <e^ipi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem
[05:01:38] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: what are spec-files-extra (sorry for my ignorance but i haven't ventured much into Solaris land)
[05:03:09] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: just some extra 3rd party software packages
[05:03:36] <jtmuzix> interesting
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[05:06:00] <e^ipi> if you have an ACM membership, there's a bunch of papers on the ACM portal about packaging <-> 3SAT
[05:07:20] <e^ipi> random example: Stuckenholz, A. 2007. Component Updates as a Boolean Optimization Problem. Electron. Notes Theor. Comput. Sci. 182 (Jun. 2007), 187-200
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[05:07:40] <mgedisman> Hello everyone!
[05:08:01] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: forgive my ignorance again but what are spec files?
[05:08:12] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: package specification files.
[05:08:21] <e^ipi> they tell the system how to build a package
[05:08:25] <mgedisman> Anyone can help me compiling Nvidia ethernet drivers?
[05:08:34] <e^ipi> mgedisman: *poof*
[05:08:38] <e^ipi> they're already in there
[05:08:58] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: i thought Solaris used generally binary packages?
[05:09:05] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: yeah, generally
[05:09:11] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: SFE doesn't
[05:09:29] <e^ipi> they download & compile the software, and then build a binary package out of it
[05:09:33] <e^ipi> then install that
[05:09:47] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: could you customize a package via spec file
[05:09:56] <e^ipi> no idea, probably
[05:10:17] <ninjaslim> i like this
[05:10:39] <ninjaslim> you can't do this with IPS right?  IPS is just binary package manager much like the pkg* utilities on *BSD
[05:11:10] <e^ipi> yeah
[05:11:30] <mgedisman> I used the Solaris device detection tool and it said that my Ethernet used a third-party driver. I download the .tar.gz file and that's all I can do. =/
[05:11:36] <spike-> okay
[05:11:59] <spike-> so now i've got things all screwed up
[05:12:00] <spike-> i was trying to get Xvnc working, but instead i've managed to mess up my physical access to the machine as well
[05:12:07] <spike-> i.e. the monitor hooked up to it errors out now.
[05:13:15] <e^ipi> mgedisman: murayama's driver?
[05:13:27] <mgedisman> Yes.
[05:14:17] <e^ipi> you should just be able to gmake install
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[05:14:38] <e^ipi> he tends to leave his compiler droppings in the tarball
[05:15:21] <mgedisman> i, well I'm sorry but I'm extremely new at OS and linux like. And I can't even figure out the README files =(
[05:15:21] <e^ipi> read the helpful README.txt file
[05:15:44] <e^ipi> you just follow the instructions in them
[05:16:21] <mgedisman> I feel really dumb. Sorry. Ok, will swtich back to OS and try again.
[05:16:25] <jtmuzix> take your time
[05:16:31] <mgedisman> Thanks. So gmake install will help me?
[05:17:04] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: does SXCE use the traditional Solaris installation method?
[05:17:14] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: yes
[05:17:33] <e^ipi> if you use the text installer, you can install on ZFS
[05:17:58] <ninjaslim> i wouldn't put ZFS in a VM lol
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[05:20:43] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[05:20:44] <spike-> The documentation on this Xvnc stuff -sucks-
[05:20:44] <spike-> i'm soo unfamiliar with X and now i've got it all screwed up.
[05:20:52] <e^ipi> i tend to avoid VM's for the most part
[05:20:56] <e^ipi> they kinna just make me stabby
[05:21:09] <e^ipi> spike-: just wipe out your xorg.conf and it'll autodetect
[05:21:27] <e^ipi> no harm, no foul
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[05:21:55] <spike-> aha
[05:21:58] <spike-> okay i'll give that a try
[05:22:29] <spike-> i think part of the problem is in /etc/dt/config/Xservers
[05:23:05] <spike-> and where is xorg.conf?
[05:23:15] <spike-> /etc/X11/.xorg.conf ?
[05:25:20] <e^ipi> if you made one, yeah
[05:25:25] <e^ipi> umm... i don't have an /etc/dt/config/Xservers
[05:26:54] <McBofh> how about /usr/dt/config/Xservers
[05:27:45] <spike-> strange, i have one
[05:27:45] <spike-> maybe i shoudl remove /etc/dt/config/Xservers
[05:27:45] <McBofh> e^ipi: my copy in /usr/dt has this comment:
[05:27:47] <McBofh> #   BEST TO NOT EDIT /usr/dt/config/Xservers directly.
[05:27:47] <McBofh> #
[05:27:47] <McBofh> #   /usr/dt/config/Xservers is a factory-default file and will
[05:27:47] <McBofh> #   be unconditionally overwritten upon subsequent installation.
[05:27:47] <McBofh> #   Before making changes to the file, should copy it to the configuration
[05:27:49] <McBofh> #   directory, /etc/dt/config.
[05:28:32] <spike-> damnit it just won't work!
[05:28:55] <spike-> this is so irritating
[05:28:55] <spike-> i hate X
[05:28:55] <spike-> i hate windowing environments
[05:29:16] <e^ipi> presumably one shouldn't edit it then
[05:29:23] <e^ipi> what with the whole DO NOT EDIT notice up top
[05:29:38] <spike-> hehe
[05:30:05] <spike-> i edited the one in /etc though instead
[05:30:05] <spike-> like your suppose to
[05:30:19] <spike-> i just want the dammed thing to work
[05:30:39] <spike-> should come with an Xvnc
[05:30:39] <spike-> rrrg
[05:30:39] <spike-> and ther'es like 50 differnet pages saying to enable Xvnc on solaris in 15 differnet ways
[05:30:51] <spike-> i think that's my problem i tried more than one way and have things all screwed up
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[05:37:10] <hotpockets> whassup os
[05:37:37] <e^ipi> that's not how you enter a channel
[05:37:39] <hotpockets> fyi SUNWgnome-media.spec appears to be broken on x64 with sunstudio 12
[05:37:43] <e^ipi> let me demonstrate
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[05:37:50] * McBofh laughs
[05:37:54] <e^ipi> FLAVOR FLAAAAAAAAAAV
[05:38:04] <McBofh> e^ipi: where was the earth-shattering kaboom?
[05:38:06] * McBofh disappointed
[05:38:13] <McBofh> e^ipi: dude, you ain't tryin any more
[05:38:27] <e^ipi> i know, i've been slacking off
[05:39:33] <hotpockets> :)
[05:40:44] <hotpockets> seriously though, the build segfaults twice on x86
[05:41:07] <hotpockets> though it works on ultrasparc3
[05:41:15] <comay> e^ipi sorry just got back; i'm good
[05:41:25] <e^ipi> heh, that was a time delay
[05:46:23] <hotpockets> I wonder if you can rebrand an indiana livecd with ubuntu markings convincingly. I want to see a thread on ubuntuforums that begins with "how do I use lspci?" and end with "why do I have zfs?"
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[05:48:46] <McBofh> mgedisman: did you remember to run the adddrv.sh script along with gmake install ?
[05:48:53] <McBofh> hotpockets: that would be a laugh
[05:49:47] <mgedisman> ?
[05:49:57] <McBofh> mgedisman: with Masa Murayama's driver
[05:50:09] <mgedisman> I was only able to run gunzip -cd nfo-x.x.x.tar.gz | tar xf -
[05:50:10] <mgedisman> lol
[05:50:23] <McBofh> you didn't cd into nfo-* ?
[05:50:45] <mgedisman> Nop.
[05:50:54] <mgedisman> Should I give up on Solaris?
[05:50:59] <McBofh> no
[05:51:05] <McBofh> what did you expect to happen?
[05:51:27] <mgedisman> I supposed I could follow the README file.
[05:51:32] <McBofh> duh :)
[05:51:39] <McBofh> yeah, that would be a *good* start
[05:51:42] <mgedisman> lol
[05:51:55] <mgedisman> But the "Add hostname for the NIC into /etc/hosts file" is a bit confunsing for me.
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[05:52:42] <McBofh> that's easy - what hostname do you want that interface to use?
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[05:52:47] <McBofh> and what IP addr?
[05:52:52] <mgedisman> I was trying to look for an OS virtual machine and maybe try and install the driver from here.
[05:53:07] <McBofh> great... how about you answer the question I asked instead
[05:53:22] <mgedisman> Hostname? root?
[05:53:34] <McBofh> what you need to do is add something like this to /etc/hosts :::         192.168.1.2  testvbox
[05:53:40] <McBofh> run "hostname"
[05:54:11] <mgedisman> Oh.
[05:55:06] <mgedisman> But then I'll go crazy trying to make links to the binary directory.
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[05:56:05] <McBofh> what on *earth* are you talking about?
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[05:56:47] <mgedisman> KARCH being the result of isainfo -n and compiler?
[05:57:40] <McBofh> mgedisman: whoa, wait a sec
[05:57:43] <McBofh> give me _context_
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[05:57:54] <McBofh> mgedisman: are you rebuilding nfo?
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[05:58:08] <mgedisman> Or is it that I just have to copy the the driver to the kernel dir?
[05:58:45] <McBofh> remember the "gmake install" instruction?
[05:58:47] <McBofh> try that
[05:59:08] <mgedisman> I use the console and I get nothing. Just an error I don't remember.
[05:59:40] <mgedisman> Brb, I'll see if I can find a ... Solaris VM?
[05:59:46] <McBofh> gah
[05:59:48] <McBofh> yeah, do that
[05:59:51] <McBofh> take notes, too
[06:00:11] <mgedisman> Oki, thanks a lot.
[06:01:46] <hotpockets> does anyone know if there are there public prebuilt SUNWgnome-media pkgs for x86? The one on the snv_97 cd provides gstreamer 0.10.19 but (eg SFEgnome-media-extras) wont build without 0.10.20+ and ..19 on my computer doesn't have (working) oss bits so songbird gets all sad and falls down.
[06:01:49] <hotpockets> plop
[06:02:03] <hotpockets> except you don't hear it, so it's a silent plop
[06:02:23] <hotpockets> ...
[06:02:59] <mgedisman> I feel useless =(
[06:05:25] <McBofh> mgedisman: as long as useless approves, surely that's ok?
[06:06:34] 
[06:06:42] <McBofh> I'm being facetious
[06:07:09] <mgedisman> Oh. Hehe.
[06:07:35] <mgedisman> Not only I feel useless now but also extremely dumb,
[06:07:40] <mgedisman> Plop?
[06:08:00] <McBofh> sound made by bird excrement when it hits the ground, or your hair
[06:08:35] <mgedisman> I thought it was the sound made by the bird when falling down. Man I suck at IRC jokes.
[06:09:26] <hotpockets> that's the sound of my brain crawling away
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[06:09:58] <hotpockets> my computer doesn't make any interesting noises, on account of it doesn't make noises
[06:10:09] <hotpockets> so i'm making this up as I go...
[06:10:42] <mgedisman> Heh.
[06:11:09] <mgedisman> Sun xVM Virtual box...
[06:11:39] <mgedisman> I must admit Sun works in misterious ways.
[06:11:48] <McBofh> .... marketing....
[06:12:11] <mgedisman> Should I try some Linux distro then?
[06:12:58] <McBofh> uh... how do you get that idea?
[06:13:23] <mgedisman> 'Marketing' sounds like not freeBSD.
[06:13:50] <McBofh> it's Sun's _marketing_ which is responsible for "Sun xVM Virtualbox"
[06:14:18] <ninjaslim> BSDs don't market they don't believe in widening the userbase as quickly as say Linux wants to because they want their userbase to stay small and knowledgable
[06:18:24] <mgedisman> Uh... I can't find me OS cd's. *curses*
[06:19:57] * ninjaslim is waiting for his to download
[06:20:07] <mgedisman> Here it is!
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[06:20:18] <McBofh> itym "dvd"
[06:21:04] <mgedisman> Uh, I meant CD, without the 's
[06:21:49] <McBofh> osol2008.05?
[06:21:54] <mgedisman> Yes.
[06:24:22] <mgedisman> I'm gonna change phone jack while OS installs. brb. (does anyone care? lol no)
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[06:31:57] <marianog> Back.
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[06:33:29] <marianog> Gosh,
[06:33:39] <marianog> I have the other user hung up here too.
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[06:40:03] <marianog> By the way, I'm mgedisman.
[06:40:53] <McBofh> figured that from your irc client's signon message
[06:41:35] <marianog> Oh, lol.
[06:43:19] <marianog> Hostname: opensolaris
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[06:46:27] <McBofh> #include <defaulthostname>
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[06:49:05] <marianog> NWAM is enabled.
[06:49:15] <marianog> I always turn it off.
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[06:56:26] <marianog> Can I post a screenshop link here?
[06:56:33] <marianog> *screenshot
[06:56:52] <McBofh> links are fine
[06:58:52] <marianog> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screht9.jpg
[06:59:14] <marianog> When I run Solaris, I don't get the Ethernet connection item.
[06:59:16] <marianog> It's all blank.
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[07:06:57] <marianog> lol now I'd like to know how do I connect to the internet.
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[07:11:35] <marianog> Well, I gotta go sleep anyway. Thanks a lot McBofh! I really appreciate your help. I guess I'll continue tomorrow from work. Good night!
[07:12:49] <e^ipi> sleep?
[07:13:53] <marianog> Yes.
[07:13:55] <marianog> Lol why?
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[07:13:57] <McBofh> marianog: ok .... good luck
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[07:14:02] <McBofh> "sleep is for the week"
[07:14:03] <McBofh> weak
[07:14:04] <McBofh> whatever
[07:14:26] <e^ipi> i think the IRC logs can attest to my unfamillarity with the concept
[07:14:32] <McBofh> :)
[07:14:39] * McBofh wonders how he helped marianog
[07:14:49] * McBofh DOES NOT HELP people dammit!
[07:14:52] <marianog> Hehe, sleep is for the people who want to keep playing with Solaris tomorrow. good night everyone.
[07:14:57] <McBofh> gnite
[07:14:58] <marianog> Oh you did mate, you really did.
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[07:16:37] <McBofh> if people are starting to think that I'm helping them, I'll have leave
[07:16:38] <e^ipi> bullocks, there's a good chunk of solaris that's probably written while sleep deprived
[07:16:45] <McBofh> I've got my reputation to think of
[07:18:42] <McBofh> e^ipi: darn straight
[07:19:10] <e^ipi> i know for a fact that there's code in there that was written drunk
[07:20:05] <McBofh> sshhhhh!
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[08:01:44] <e^ipi> i find it mildly funny that I get so much spam about canadian pharmacies
[08:01:56] <e^ipi> because there's one half a block away from me, i don't need the internet for that
[08:03:18] <Gekz> I get nigerian scams
[08:03:28] <Gekz> and I pretend to be seriously enthrawlled by their typos
[08:06:24] <e^ipi> i get them too
[08:06:40] <e^ipi> but i ( a canadian ) also get a lot of canadian pharmacy spam
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[08:07:54] <Gekz> lol
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[08:20:21] <trochej> Coffee
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[09:10:26] <div8> is there a way to build the network storage sources w/ gcc? or is there an OpenSolaris release in which AVS and related tools are already integrated?
[09:12:21] <e^ipi> most of the stuff sun makes is built with studio
[09:12:31] <e^ipi> because studio's a far superior compiler
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[09:16:30] <div8> well, and where can i get it from? if i follow this link https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=SS11-OSOL-AUG07-SF-G-F@CDS-CDS_Developer, i only can download a solaris express os, amd x64 (chinese-simplified)...
[09:17:01] <e^ipi> http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/
[09:18:47] <e^ipi> oh, jeez
[09:18:50] <e^ipi> look at your link again
[09:18:56] <e^ipi> it's got solaris packages
[09:19:06] <e^ipi> ignore the chinese bit
[09:19:16] <e^ipi> the compiler doesn't care what language you code in
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[09:23:10] <div8> e^ipi, thx
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[10:38:13] <rgiltrap01> Anyone familiar with xorg here?
[10:38:49] <rgiltrap01> Trying to get the Radeon driver working with little success
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[10:44:49] <airjump> hi i have update to svn 97 but now i install with the pkg a new programm and grub make a new entry opensolaris-N
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[11:06:33] <seanmcg> airjump, thats whats its ment to do.  you add something new, IPS will snapshot things so that you can go back if you need to.
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[11:16:48] <sickness> morning all
[11:16:55] <trochej> Elo
[11:16:56] <trochej> Coffee?
[11:17:05] <sickness> yeah
[11:17:16] <div8> how can i tell opensolaris to configure an alias of some network interface on system startup?
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[11:17:59] <e^ipi> alias?
[11:18:05] <e^ipi> what're you going on about?
[11:18:56] <div8> well, i need sth like a virtual interface...
[11:19:15] <div8> like iprb0 and iprb0:1
[11:19:15] <Stric> you want multiple ipv4's?
[11:19:25] <div8> yeah
[11:19:30] <Stric> echo yourip > /etc/hostname.iprb0:1
[11:20:05] <div8> ah, great .. thx
[11:20:16] <div8> wasn't sure it would work this way ;)
[11:24:06] <div8> and how can i disable dhcp on startup? nwam is disabled, network/physical:nwam is disabled, no /etc/dhcp.XYZ file exists and yet, dhcp is running - i'm confused
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[12:05:55] <c00p> anyone here ever got 'ether-channeling' working with solaris ?
[12:06:12] <c00p> I have never done it before and have read up and I see  can use dladm
[12:06:18] <c00p> any tips ?
[12:12:07] <Stric> what's your definition of 'ether-channeling' ?
[12:12:45] <Cyrille> sounds newageish.
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[12:15:27] <timsf> yo
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[12:19:05] <seanmcg> sound like c00p wants an ethernet-bridge ?
[12:20:37] <Honk> bonding maybe ;P
[12:20:43] <tsoome> never heard about 'ether-channeling' and fail even imagine what it could be. maybe try to find a common word next time if you are asking something...
[12:21:14] <timsf> IP tunnelling?
[12:22:12] <tsoome> you can build tunnels over whatever devices, not only ethernet:D
[12:22:30] <Honk> looks like I was right ;P
[12:22:34] <Honk> it's on wiki, too =)
[12:22:42] * timsf looking for the Crossbow terminology
[12:22:51] <timsf> flow classification
[12:22:54] <_mary_kate_> etherchannel is cisco's name for link aggregation
[12:23:02] <timsf> [ all totally different concepts of course ]
[12:23:05] <timsf> aah.
[12:24:01] <_mary_kate_> which i suppose would be either dladm create-aggr, or IPMP
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[12:38:44] <c00p> Stric: ether-channel = ciscos term for an lcap or 'bonding' or two or more ethernet prots
[12:39:05] <c00p> tsoome: It's a very common cisco term ...
[12:44:09] <Stric> dladm has some "tie two nics into one" stuff
[12:44:15] <seanmcg> so do you want to 'bond' at the IP or ethernet level ?
[12:44:37] <tsoome> yep, unfortunately never done cisco management myself;)
[12:44:42] <seanmcg> not that it matters..
[12:45:11] <Stric> c00p: look for link aggregation
[12:46:39] <c00p> yup - I have all read about dladm and what it can do so I guess there is no other way :)
[12:46:53] <c00p> bonding interfaces on our x4500
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[13:10:44] <trochej> Coffee
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[13:34:18] <ksyl_> hello
[13:35:50] <ksyl_> I've got a problem with my kernel module : if I open a file in the _init and close it in the _init that works but if I close it in the _fini that doesn t works ...
[13:36:07] <ksyl_> someeone could give me some advice ?
[13:40:20] <McBofh> why are you opening a file in a kernel module at all?
[13:40:52] <ksyl_> I need for a client
[13:41:04] <ksyl_> a kernel module that wite some kernel information
[13:41:09] <ksyl_> in a file
[13:41:14] <ksyl_> at some moment
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[13:41:46] <McBofh> why do you think that's the right thing to do?
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[13:43:05] <ksyl_> the client want a kernel module
[13:43:14] <ksyl_> so I use a kernel module :/
[13:43:18] <McBofh> ok
[13:43:27] <McBofh> but why do you want to write to a file from the kernel module?
[13:44:07] <ksyl_> yes
[13:44:10] <Alasdairrr> You mention it's to get information from the kernel - have you considered DTrace?
[13:44:25] <ksyl_> like /var/log/myfile
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[13:46:10] <McBofh> so debug notes?
[13:46:12] <ksyl_> Alasdairrr: yes, but my client want very specific information and as describe
[13:46:25] <ksyl_> the way I need to implement the kernel module
[13:46:32] <ksyl_> so I cant use dtrace
[13:46:33] <McBofh> then surely they should write it
[13:46:51] <McBofh> you really need to tell them to back off and let you do it The Right Way(tm)
[13:47:00] <ksyl_> :)
[13:47:15] <ksyl_> This way seems not impossible
[13:47:25] <ksyl_> I just need to hook some syscalls
[13:47:31] <McBofh> sounds to me like what your client wants is (a) wrong, (b) badly in need of a reality check and (c) to get the hell out of telling you how to write a kernel module
[13:47:34] <McBofh> gah
[13:47:47] <McBofh> SEos hooks syscalls, causes *lots* of pain for Solaris
[13:48:40] <pjd-> ksyl_: Take a look at uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_file.c, there you can find how to open, read/write and close a file from within a kernel.
[13:49:17] <_mary_kate_> instead of writing to a file, have a userland daemon that reads from a pipe and writes to the file
[13:49:19] <_mary_kate_> much easier
[13:49:27] * McBofh gives up
[13:49:28] <ksyl_> I looked at open.c and close.c in uts/common/syscall/
[13:49:35] <ksyl_> and that works fine
[13:49:51] <pjd-> ksyl_: These are for userland, it may not be exactly the same.
[13:50:03] <ksyl_> but I need to launch the open and the close in the same function
[13:50:09] <pjd-> ksyl_: Try the vdev_file.c.
[13:50:14] <ksyl_> ok
[13:50:24] <McBofh> ksyl_: who architected this thing?
[13:50:28] <ksyl_> x86
[13:50:37] <ksyl_> and amd64
[13:51:04] <pjd-> ksyl_: Not sure about what you have in syscall/, but from within a kernel you should operate on vnodes, not file descriptors.
[13:51:15] <McBofh> look for the _LP64 macros
[13:51:19] <ksyl_> yes I now
[13:51:44] <ksyl_> I use vn_openat
[13:51:49] <ksyl_> for the open
[13:51:56] <ksyl_> after a falloc
[13:52:38] <pjd-> ksyl_: Doesn't falloc allocate file descriptor?
[13:52:53] <pjd-> ksyl_: Sorry, I don't know Solaris kernel.
[13:53:07] <ksyl_> Yes I used it to keep the reference to the vnode
[13:53:09] <pjd-> ksyl_: But anyway, operate on plain vnodes, nothing else.
[13:53:22] <ksyl_> ok
[13:53:40] <ksyl_> I am going to read the vdev_file.c
[13:53:42] <ksyl_> thanks
[13:53:54] <pjd-> vn_openat(), vn_rdwr() and VOP_CLOSE() is probably all you need.
[13:54:22] <ksyl_> ok
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[14:05:44] <edgy> Hi, I need help solving this question: http://pastebin.ca/1203271, I know A and F are correct but not sure what's third correct answer, any help please?
[14:07:42] <asyd> strange
[14:07:52] <div8> how can i speed up the sync of avs? both hosts are connected to each other through a 1Gb cross-over cable but the sync seems to be very slow (according to iostat / dsstat)...
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[14:09:39] <edgy> asyd: you also found it confusing?
[14:11:11] <asyd> yup, I guess it's B but..
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[14:12:09] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone happen to know what happened to pcfs_entps or what header I forgot to include
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[14:14:45] <edgy> asyd: SUPATH is the default path of the root, right? how did you know it's not set?
[14:15:13] <asyd> well, it's just a guess, others answer are more strange ;p
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[14:18:03] <edgy> asyd: I just want to understand your guess. why do you guessed the path is not set rather than the application is not installed e.g?
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[14:19:50] <mui> why zfs send is so slow
[14:20:33] <McBofh> I get very-close-to wire speeds when I zfs send
[14:22:56] <Tempt> McBofh: Yeah, but we're not all on first generation token ring!
[14:23:06] <mui> I realized performance issue
[14:23:08] <mui> there's realtek
[14:23:09] <McBofh> Tempt: heh
[14:23:17] <McBofh> yeah, that'll be an impediment
[14:23:31] <Tempt> heh...
[14:23:51] <Tempt> Realtek .. more in common with token ring than you thought?
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[14:25:01] <McBofh> edgy: B is more correct than C or D
[14:25:06] <McBofh> but *badly* worded
[14:25:33] <asyd> same ideas here
[14:27:47] <McBofh> I could be catty and suggest that the really incorrect answer is "www.ExamWorx.com"
[14:28:09] <asyd> :)
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[14:31:44] <edgy> McBofh: ;)
[14:31:54] <McBofh> :)
[14:31:56] <edgy> McBofh: thanks for the hint
[14:32:00] <McBofh> nowurries
[14:32:12] <ksyl_> pjd-: thanks that works fine with just the vnode functions :)
[14:32:27] <McBofh> edgy: I don't think it's too much to expect that answers to exam questions be written correctly, no matter the language
[14:32:29] <ofu> how wide is the pcie-connection if I used both 10gig XAUI-cards in a T5240? http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5140/wp.pdf page25 is not helpful
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[14:35:14] <pjd-> ksyl_: np
[14:35:24] <Tempt> ofu: four or eight lanes? One of the two ...
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[14:36:24] <ofu> 4 is surely not enough... i am not sure what components of the neptune chip are used
[14:36:34] <edgy> McBofh: I have passed many IT exams and it's really strange that all of them contains really wrong questions or answers. Sometimes, I send an objection and they agree but since I passed they say no need to do further adjustments ;)
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[14:37:03] <Gekz> Objection!
[14:37:12] * Gekz makes a japanese constipation face.
[14:37:53] <McBofh> edgy: that's real laziness on their part. But I'm glad you take the time to give them feedback
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[15:00:12] <coffman> im unable to delete an old be http://pastebin.ca/1203296
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[15:21:58] <codestr0m> coffman: I probably can't help you anyway, but can't see your pastie for some reason
[15:22:06] <codestr0m> maybe my proxy is eating it
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[15:35:09] <delphi1000> hello
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[15:47:07] <Macabee> does anyone in here attend the LOSUG?
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[15:52:07] <coffman> ill try it again
[15:52:47] <coffman> after live upgrade from b96 to b97 im not able to ludelete the old be (b96)
[15:52:50] <coffman> http://pastebin.ca/1203296
[15:54:03] <asyd> /s 13
[15:54:06] <asyd> oups
[15:54:35] <Gekz> asyd: \_x<
[15:54:36] <Gekz> lol
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[16:11:16] <acuster> hey all, how do we find the process that's eating all the memory?
[16:11:36] <acuster> is there a way to add the memory consumption to prstat or some such?
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[16:14:53] <kaleb> Is there a good UML generator available for opensolaris?
[16:15:10] <asyd> Gekz: :)
[16:15:19] <asyd> kaleb: try netbeans + uml plugin
[16:15:21] <xRaich[o]2x> kaleb: Netbeans has one
[16:15:23] <asyd> I don't like it, however
[16:15:39] <kaleb> asyd: why? to complicated?
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[16:16:19] <asyd> too simple :) and I don't like the behavior by default
[16:16:34] <Macabee> surely generating UML is the wrong way around ;)
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[16:18:07] <acuster> holcomb, thanks
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[16:30:56] <loke> if you need a tool to generate UML, you are overusing it
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[16:48:02] <div8> where can i set tcp options persistently across reboots?
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[16:54:13] <Tempt> div8: which options?
[16:54:33] <div8> e.g. tcp_max_buf
[16:55:18] <holcomb> until clearview comes out you probably have to write a startup script with the appropriate ndd command
[16:55:19] <asyd> /etc/systems?
[16:56:07] <codestr0m> can you add them to the kernel as parameters and it automagically gets passed in?
[17:01:04] <div8> where would the best place be for the script? does opensolaris anything that is equivalent to rc.local/boot.local scripts which can be found on some linux distributions?
[17:02:19] <codestr0m> div8: is it just this one option or more?
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[17:03:24] <div8> by now, it would just be this option...
[17:03:27] <bapt> Hi all
[17:03:46] <bapt> does any one know if there is a lotus note client for opensolaris ?
[17:03:55] <bapt> I can't find it
[17:04:10] <bapt> at IBM website there is only the server
[17:04:50] <Tempt> I don't think there is, No.
[17:04:59] <Tempt> I think Notes is only supported on Windows, really.
[17:05:43] <bapt> Tempt: there is a linux client
[17:05:50] <bapt> since version 7
[17:06:19] <Tempt> Well, there you go.
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[17:06:27] <Tempt> How awful, even linux users can get tortured.
[17:06:35] <bapt> :)
[17:06:35] <norman> isn't it written in the "os-independant" java? :)
[17:06:55] <Tempt> Looks like div8 missed out on his happy response. Aaaaaaah.
[17:06:56] <bapt> norman now it is based on eclipse
[17:07:23] <bapt> but the should be some OS specific code in it
[17:07:24] <asyd> that may explain why there is no solaris version
[17:07:25] <Tempt> After one dose of getting forced to use Bloated Scrotes, I'm never touching that nightmare again.
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[17:10:44] <oxygene> well, eclipse isn't written in os-indepedendant java either
[17:10:48] <oxygene> so why should notes?
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[17:13:45] <asyd> eclipse require a library which is platform dependant
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[17:13:59] <asyd> swt iirc
[17:14:13] <oxygene> yes
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[17:14:30] <oxygene> it's IBM - it wouldn't be the same without the proprietary bits
[17:14:38] <asyd> ah sorry, I though your sentence was a question:)
[17:15:07] <bapt> i'll tryc with brand
[17:15:14] <bapt> brandz
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[17:19:42] <christostolis> Help !
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[17:20:32] <christostolis> I have Realtek Hi definition sound card,internal in motherboard. The soundcard azalia?? Can't use it in opensolaris
[17:21:00] <christostolis> i have donwloaded a pkg file from www.opensound.com but i don't know how to install it
[17:21:29] <bapt> christostolis: it is documented on the opensound website
[17:21:57] <bapt> when you download ossv4 for solaris en opensound.com it it writtent what to do
[17:22:27] <bapt> pkg_add -d oss*.pkg
[17:24:20] <christostolis> ok
[17:24:23] <christostolis> thank you
[17:24:25] <christostolis> hope it work
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[17:28:37] <noyb> reading back a bit, I think c00p was looking for IP Multi-Pathing  or IPMP.  No?
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[17:39:59] <ruben> Hello, what is the way to see how disk I have and its name?
[17:40:45] <Aria> "format"?
[17:40:49] <stevel> iostat -En
[17:40:57] <stevel> format works too
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[17:43:09] <ruben> ok, thank you
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[17:53:24] <ruben> the last question, I am trying to do a zfs raid-5 (raidz), but how to do this part?
[17:53:27] <ruben> However, the disks must be preformatted to have an appropriately sized slice zero.
[17:54:33] <tsoome> you have identical disks?
[17:54:38] <ruben> yes
[17:54:47] <ruben> my idea is to use something like zpool create ldoms-apps raidz c1t2d0 c1t0d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0
[17:54:49] <tsoome> dedicated to zfs?
[17:54:59] <evocallaghan1> Has anyone here got sluggish interactiveness with FF3 in snv_97 ? I have a pci bus 0x0000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2772
[17:54:59] <evocallaghan1>  Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller video chipset.
[17:55:07] <ruben> but only c1t2d0 is identified on /dev/dsk
[17:55:14] <tsoome> if so, just do it:)
[17:55:53] <tsoome> what you mean only it is identified?
[17:56:19] <_mary_kate_> noyb: i don't think IPMP is etherchannel/802.1ad, is it?
[17:56:27] <_mary_kate_> similar effect, but a different method
[17:57:31] <tsoome> if etherchannel is like trunk, ipmp will only provide some of its functionality
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[18:22:38] <Chunky_Ks> morning everyone
[18:22:54] <Chunky_Ks> I've installed opensoalris in virtualbox, and I'm trying to do the first step in the releasenotes
[18:23:16] <Chunky_Ks> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#Update_Inst
[18:23:17] <Chunky_Ks> That
[18:23:20] <Chunky_Ks> But I'm getting this:
[18:23:25] <Chunky_Ks> http://rafb.net/p/rKJtM317.html
[18:23:46] <Chunky_Ks> As you can see from the second line, the system is capable of doing a nslookup on it, so I'm not sure what I'm missing
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[18:30:03] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:Hi
[18:30:20] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:What ISO did you use?
[18:30:32] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:The OpenSolaris2008.05 one ?
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[18:34:18] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: would you mind pasting that fixpackages script.. I had an incident with packaging today
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[18:35:53] <dclarke> ummm .. anybody have a clue why a s10u5 box would claim really stupid things after patches applied ? http://rafb.net/p/wLLI5e70.html
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[18:37:44] <Alasdairrr> can you reapply the jumbo patch set in single user mode, dclarke?
[18:38:20] <dclarke> actually .. that sounds like a great idea ... but .. at the moment the only way to boot this thing is "failsafe" mode
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[18:38:38] <dclarke> and .. I have always applied patches with single user mode .. but faisafe .. no idea what that is for
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[18:39:07] <dclarke> I guess I could try to mount eerything under /mnt
[18:39:17] <dclarke> perhaps patchadd can work for altroot = /mnt
[18:39:49] <dclarke> regardless .. the boot process is busted and I  seem to recall .. some sort of process to rebuild he boot repositiry on s10
[18:39:56] <dclarke> just ... can't recall it
[18:40:09] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:Hi
[18:40:17] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:What happened?
[18:40:33] <oxygene> dclarke: bootadm update-archive -  or what are you looking for?
[18:40:44] <Alasdairrr> you can chroot in failsave i'd have thought
[18:40:46] <dclarke> thats it
[18:40:55] <dclarke> let's me try ..
[18:41:01] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: oh.. I umm.. installed it to /opt/foo and /opt/foo ended up getting eaten.. I forgot I had put it there.. I'll make sure that doesn't happen again
[18:41:03] <dclarke> re-install is waaay out of the question here
[18:41:23] <Alasdairrr> yeah bootadm update-archive sounds like a sane first step
[18:41:45] <Alasdairrr> then if that fails you can boot in failsafe, mount the drive and chroot into it, reapply patches
[18:41:46] <dclarke> # bootadm update-archive -v -R /mnt
[18:41:55] <evocallaghan1> sounds sane
[18:41:55] <dclarke> that fails
[18:42:10] <Alasdairrr> what if you chroot and then run bootadm ?
[18:42:21] <Chunky_Ks> evocallaghan1: Yeah, 2008.05
[18:42:30] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: the original pastie you gave of that script expired that's why I ask again
[18:43:01] <dclarke> # chroot /mnt /bin/ksh
[18:43:06] <dclarke> that seems to be correct
[18:43:12] <dclarke> now I'll try bootadm again
[18:43:23] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:May I recommend you get the newer ISO of snv_97
[18:43:33] <Chunky_Ks> will do
[18:43:44] <dclarke> # bootadm update-archive -v
[18:43:51] <dclarke> bootadm: alternate root / not in mnttab
[18:43:57] <dclarke> cannot find: /etc/cluster/nodeid: No such file or directory
[18:44:05] <Chunky_Ks> Last time I tried an nv_something build, I tried to update it and found out that there wasn't updates or a package repo - is that still the case?
[18:44:05] <dclarke> cannot find: /etc/devices/mdi_ib_cache: No such file or directory
[18:44:12] <dclarke> what a disaster
[18:44:27] <Alasdairrr> Repairing a shafted system is never easy
[18:44:40] <Alasdairrr> You do however learn a lot about the OS in the process
[18:44:42] <dclarke> patches should NOT shaft a system
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[18:45:01] <Alasdairrr> I agree
[18:45:19] <evocallaghan1> http://rafb.net/p/i0UnHI30.html This time save it
[18:45:20] <Alasdairrr> I don't personally like "patches", I prefer versioned packages
[18:46:21] <oxygene> they can be the same, just with patches being more compact. not on solaris, though
[18:46:28] <Alasdairrr> What's this evocallaghan1?
[18:46:45] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/info/osol-0811-97.iso.torrent
[18:47:00] <evocallaghan1> Alasdairrr:Nothing for you
[18:47:38] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:No
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[18:47:49] <Chunky_Ks> coo
[18:47:51] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:^
[18:47:51] <_mary_kate_> you're not meant to use chroot with bootadm, use bootadm update-archive -R /altroot
[18:48:14] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: thanks a bunch
[18:48:16] <Alasdairrr> [17:42] <dclarke> # bootadm update-archive -v -R /mnt
[18:48:19] <Alasdairrr> he did
[18:48:20] <evocallaghan1> Chunky_Ks:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/files/md5sums_97.txt
[18:48:30] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:np
[18:48:37] <evocallaghan1> Now can anyone answer my question
[18:49:01] <evocallaghan1> Has anyone here got sluggish interactiveness with FF3 in snv_97 ? I have a pci bus 0x0000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2772 Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller video chipset.
[18:49:28] <Chunky_Ks> thank-you very much, evocallaghan1
[18:49:33] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: FF3 is pretty zippy on my Dell, but I've got nvidia graphics card
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[18:50:08] <evocallaghan1> Gezz
[18:50:14] <stevel> evocallaghan1: there's a XULRunner issue with Intel on-board graphics that's been causing XULRunner apps to crash
[18:50:21] <evocallaghan1> My desktop is sllloowww! :[
[18:50:35] <stevel> not sure if that's causing your sluggish interactiveness
[18:50:47] <evocallaghan1> stevel:Oh, now that you say that.. I seem to remember something
[18:53:50] <evocallaghan1> stevel:Got the bug report for that?
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[18:57:42] <stevel> evocallaghan1: 3210
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[19:04:51] <h3sp4wn> evocallaghan1: Try the latest nvidia drivers (or the beta ones)
[19:05:04] <h3sp4wn> either of those two are much improved from the ones in SXCE
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[19:06:49] <h3sp4wn> evocallaghan1: If you want compiz I would use 177 (beta) otherwise the stable ones
[19:07:00] <stevel> h3sp4wn: those probably won't help his Intel graphics chipset
[19:07:18] <e^ipi> heh
[19:08:02] <mastaofdisasta> guys, I have a question about SSL certificates.  if I generate a CSR under Linux openSSL and that gets signed by a public CA.  Can I use that certificate with opensolaris iplanet servers?
[19:08:29] <benley> yes
[19:08:47] <_mary_kate_> it hasn't been called iPlanet for quite a while ;)
[19:08:58] <mastaofdisasta> I thought so, it's the x509 standard
[19:08:58] <benley> I have no idea what certificate format iplanet wants, but it's practically guaranteed that openssl can convert to that format.
[19:09:18] <mastaofdisasta> I would think its PEM format.
[19:09:31] <mastaofdisasta> they are using iplanet 6.x servers
[19:09:38] <_mary_kate_> it wants PKCS#7, iirc
[19:10:05] <mastaofdisasta> I'm suggesting an upgrade to sun java system web server
[19:10:15] <h3sp4wn> stevel: haha I cannot read
[19:10:19] <mastaofdisasta> I installed it recently
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[19:14:18] <holcomb> you need nss
[19:14:28] <holcomb> probably an older version
[19:14:41] <holcomb> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/overview.html
[19:14:59] <_mary_kate_> you can do it with the bundled certutil, or whatever it's called
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[19:15:22] <holcomb> oh yeah
[19:15:37] <_mary_kate_> (i've done it in the opposite direction, kind of a pain but it's possible...)
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[19:43:54] <justjay> anyone here got a sec for a jumpstart question?
[19:45:19] <bda> Most Jumpstart questions are answered by "use JET."
[19:45:19] <bda> ;)
[19:45:36] <justjay> well jet does not run on linux but.
[19:45:43] <bda> Fair enough.
[19:45:51] <justjay> this is more along the lines of .. can i configure a bonded interface w/ js?
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[19:46:12] <justjay> ie..  bond all my e1000's together on a 4540 via sysidcfg
[19:46:23] <justjay> w/o doing it post
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[20:13:15] <Macabee> hmm svn is bundled in opensolaris - but not the development files?
[20:13:20] <Macabee> like apr-config
[20:13:51] <_mary_kate_> /usr/apache2/2.2/bin/apr-config, iirc
[20:14:00] <_mary_kate_> or perhaps apr-1-config
[20:14:02] <Macabee> pkg search brings up nada
[20:14:23] <sartek> yes, its apr-1-config
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[20:14:25] <sartek> there
[20:14:25] <Macabee> in fact nothing called 'apr'
[20:14:39] <Macabee> weeeeiird
[20:14:43] <Macabee> why doesn't pkg search -r find it?
[20:15:06] <Macabee> ahhh i see, i didn't specify the full filename
[20:15:06] <Macabee> :)
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[20:17:28] <Macabee> ok now the subversion develpoment files aren't there... the headers etc. are what i need
[20:17:33] <Macabee> apu/apr might be there
[20:17:40] <Macabee> but its not a complete subversion install
[20:18:20] <postwait> Anybody know if there is a way, when attached to a process in dbx, to have it drop core for later analysis?
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[20:46:08] <coffman> can somebody help me with my ludelete issue pretty pls?
[20:46:23] <coffman> http://pastebin.ca/1203296
[20:51:09] <h3sp4wn> coffman: I have fudged around that once by hacking /etc/lutab and manually promoting / removing the fs's
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[20:54:00] <dminer> cypromis: wenling chen was wondering if you got her mail from last friday and could respond
[20:55:16] <cypromis> lemme check, I had ne hell of a flu
[20:55:55] <dminer> yuck
[20:56:00] <dminer> hope you're feeling better
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[20:57:30] <cypromis> sent her an answer
[20:57:36] <cypromis> yah its slowly letting go of me
[20:57:41] <cypromis> nwo my wife got it :(
[20:57:59] <dminer> bet she's not happy with you ;-)
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[21:07:37] <codestr0m> http://developer.berlios.de/projects/alba-experiment
[21:07:39] <codestr0m> *cough*
[21:09:23] <e^ipi> "let's pick the worst package manager on the planet, and port it to solaris"
[21:10:47] <evocallaghan1> oh my god !
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[21:11:06] <evocallaghan1> Who would use Gentoo type crap?
[21:11:59] <e^ipi> those guys, evidently
[21:14:53] <MindDrive> The project looks like it's been inactive for nearly 2 years, so I suspect it's pretty much dead at this point.  (And it was not the first one to attempt to get portage working under Solaris.)
[21:15:03] * coffman feels bad
[21:15:12] * coffman did some dirty things
[21:15:24] <e^ipi> codestr0m: put /usr/gnu at the front of your $PATH ?
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[21:16:49] <codestr0m> e^ipi: who said I have gnu anything in my path.. I'm creating a logical on disk layout for the sun packages
[21:17:01] <codestr0m> I'm also possibly going to rename them to what they really are.
[21:17:03] <e^ipi> there already is one
[21:17:10] <e^ipi> `ls /`
[21:17:31] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I'm using sun ls thanks
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[21:19:02] <e^ipi> sorry, that was meant for coffman
[21:19:10] <e^ipi> he did a dirty thing
[21:19:30] <coffman> hr no
[21:19:33] <e^ipi> i assume it was something like 'use linux' or 'put the gnu tools in your path'
[21:19:52] <coffman> e^ipi: i did install blastwave earlier
[21:20:08] <coffman> but that wasnt the real dirty thing
[21:20:10] <e^ipi> eh, that's not really dirty so much as just fragile
[21:20:34] <coffman> more what i did to resolve my ludelete problem
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[21:22:54] <e^ipi> sold your body to pay for a support contract?
[21:23:10] <coffman> hrhr
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[21:46:06] <_mary_kate_> anyone done a remote install on an X4150 over serial?
[21:46:10] <_mary_kate_> how to make it PXE boot?
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[21:56:25] <coffman> _mary_kate_: lom/ilom?
[21:56:30] <_mary_kate_> urd
[21:56:32] <_mary_kate_> er, yes
[21:57:56] <McBofh> does it respond to ctrl-N during POST ?
[21:58:14] <_mary_kate_> McBofh: asking the person doing the install to test..
[21:58:23] <McBofh> nod
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[22:10:01] <holcomb> http://blogs.sun.com/SDNProgramNews/entry/coming_soon_zfs_virtualization_enhancements
[22:10:04] <holcomb> yay!
[22:10:19] <Molle> how much better is suns c compiler over the gnu one?
[22:10:28] <alanc> 350%
[22:10:41] <alanc> depending on the units you use to measure "better" of course...
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[22:12:07] <e^ipi> 30 - 40% speed improvement for most workloads, roundabouts there
[22:12:19] <e^ipi> 60% on mysql
[22:12:23] <e^ipi> IIRC
[22:12:25] <Macabee> coolstack mysql
[22:12:30] <Macabee> is insanely fast
[22:12:35] <e^ipi> there you go
[22:12:39] <Macabee> compared to any linux version
[22:12:51] <Macabee> in fact we moved one site from linux -> solaris mysql and didn't bother upgrading the server
[22:12:52] <Macabee> just the OS
[22:12:53] <Macabee> :)
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[22:15:38] <bda> holcomb: Yay!
[22:16:00] <Molle> nice
[22:16:01] <Macabee> the interesting thing with 10/08 is... upgrading
[22:16:23] <e^ipi> what, liveupgrade?
[22:16:39] <e^ipi> lucreate, luupgrade, reboot
[22:16:51] <Macabee> upgrading a UFS/ZFS hybrid 'thing' to that - i guess you can stay on UFS root
[22:16:52] <e^ipi> a little more complicated, but it's pretty monkey-simple
[22:17:10] <Macabee> i normally break the metadb mirror and upgrade one side then reboot and reattach
[22:17:14] <e^ipi> LU to 10/08, then wipe the old boot env, then LU to zfs
[22:17:30] <e^ipi> same way you did it when SXCE transitioned
[22:17:37] <bda> Is U6 zfsroot still managed via LU or beadm?
[22:17:49] <McBofh> LU
[22:17:55] <McBofh> beadm isn't gonna be backported
[22:18:01] <McBofh> it's a New Feature(tm)
[22:18:03] <Macabee> its also not stable enough
[22:18:11] <Macabee> as proved in 97
[22:18:15] <bda> nod
[22:18:17] <TomJ> anyoen know what the mentioned Containers improvements are in 10/08?
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[22:18:27] <Macabee> (where non-global zones are broken :P)
[22:18:29] <bda> haha, as Tim runs away. ;)
[22:18:41] <e^ipi> heh
[22:18:49] <TomJ> what does Tim work on?
[22:19:16] <e^ipi> xvm
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[22:19:27] <Macabee> oh nice
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[22:19:44] <McBofh> TomJ: probably the ability to have zoneroot on zfs
[22:19:44] <Macabee> i have the hypervisor running on 97 :)
[22:19:50] <McBofh> but I dunno for sure
[22:20:53] <TomJ> yeah
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[22:23:46] <MindDrive> http://www.sun.com/solaris has some information on the upcoming Sol10 10/08 release
[22:27:07] <Homere> they didn't include L2ARC :(
[22:27:13] <Fullmoon> Under 86, I cant create any boot environment at all, can somebody have a look? http://gist.github.com/10931
[22:28:00] <Macabee> Fullmoon: it already existed?
[22:28:05] <Fullmoon> Macabee: No :)
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[22:28:28] <Macabee> you didn't shwo a beadm list before you tried
[22:28:38] <Macabee> try and completely random name (i usually do the build i'm upgrading to as the name)
[22:28:40] <Fullmoon> Macabee: Ah, it was just "opensolaris"
[22:28:43] <Fullmoon> # beadm create opensolaris-$$
[22:28:43] <Fullmoon> beadm: Unable to create opensolaris-3062
[22:28:58] <Macabee> ahhhh weird ok
[22:29:09] <Macabee> can you make, say... snv_97
[22:30:32] <duri> I am rather confused by Sun support website as far as patches are concerned. I loaded sol 10 05/08 sparc. what is the recommended patch bundle I should use to catch up with whatever was released on top of 05/08 ?
[22:30:59] <Macabee> duri: check out http://www.par.univie.ac.at/solaris/pca/
[22:31:20] <Fullmoon> Macabee: Nope: http://gist.github.com/10933
[22:31:36] <Macabee> Fullmoon: that's really weird!
[22:31:38] <duri> Macabee: thanks. looking at it
[22:31:50] <Macabee> duri: i use that on our production servers - never looked back
[22:31:51] <Fullmoon> Yeah, and BE_PRINT_ERR prints nothing
[22:32:26] <Macabee> Fullmoon: in the man page
[22:32:29] <Macabee> there is a dir for log files
[22:32:34] <Macabee> in /var/log/beadm/<beName>/create.log.<yyyymmdd_hhmmss>
[22:32:39] <Macabee> might be worth a look?
[22:32:44] <Fullmoon> Macabee: Yeah, It says "Creating BE_NAME", and nothing else
[22:32:55] <Macabee> how useful
[22:32:56] <Macabee> :)
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[22:41:22] <Fullmoon> Trussing BEADM: http://gist.github.com/10935
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[23:01:43] <sailorvrz_> opensolaris is not ready yet to be deployes as a 'main'-os on laptops... it's so slow :(
[23:01:53] <sailorvrz_> *deployed
[23:01:58] <e^ipi> balls to that.
[23:02:09] <e^ipi> works fine here
[23:02:27] <sailorvrz_> probably an issue with my radeon
[23:03:00] <e^ipi> oh, yeha
[23:03:03] <e^ipi> well,that'd do it then
[23:03:12] <sailorvrz_> goddammit... ips has crashed every time I tried installing anything
[23:03:12] <e^ipi> ATI is pretty hostile to things that aren't windows
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[23:03:28] <sailorvrz_> yeah.. well ati sucks
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[23:03:39] <e^ipi> for that matter, they're pretty hostile to things that /are/ windows
[23:03:54] <e^ipi> they traditionally write one half-ass buggy driver and then forget about the product entirely
[23:04:47] <e^ipi> honestly, so long as you don't do a lot of games or CAD/modelling ... intel's got some of the best cards out there
[23:04:58] <e^ipi> if they sold discrete graphics boards i'd buy a crate of them
[23:05:47] <sailorvrz_> yeah, intel on-board gfx work always ;)
[23:06:07] <e^ipi> it has in my experience *shrug*
[23:06:18] <e^ipi> not for playing crysis or anything
[23:06:28] <e^ipi> but for the minimal amount of 3d that I care about
[23:08:18] <sailorvrz_> I'm using an all-intel system at work for mail and word :) You can't play any newer games on an on-board gfx anyways, let it be nvidia or ati
[23:10:52] <e^ipi> eh, whatever
[23:11:02] <e^ipi> games are why Nintendo exists
[23:11:18] <e^ipi> or Sony's Playstation division
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[23:13:17] <sailorvrz_> full ack
[23:13:26] <e^ipi> hmm?
[23:14:11] <sailorvrz_> just agreeing completely
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[23:21:05] <ajmcello> i installed sxce b97 and my network interface is not configured. i tried to open Administration->Network but it does not list my ethernet device.
[23:21:22] <ajmcello> it displays using ifconfig and i can manually configure. how to i get it to work in the Network gui?
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[23:22:05] <ajmcello> svcs svc:/network/physical repors nwamd as disabled
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[23:23:04] <sickness> maybe you have to enable nwadm in sxce? I think only indiana has graphical configuration working by default (and hence nwadm enabled)
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[23:23:37] <ajmcello> it works before in b95
[23:23:38] <ajmcello> it works before in b95
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[23:23:55] <ajmcello> how do i configure it manually? i dont really care about the gui just want it to come up when i reboot :)
[23:24:04] <sickness> oh, so it's strange, i don't know =)
[23:24:26] <h3sp4wn> ajmcello: /usr/sbin/svcadm disable network/physical:default
[23:24:31] <h3sp4wn> ajmcello: /usr/sbin/svcadm enable nwam
[23:24:45] <ajmcello> i tried that
[23:24:55] <ajmcello> the gui then complains about nwamd running
[23:24:58] <ajmcello> and gets a dhcp instead of a static
[23:25:13] <h3sp4wn> You cannot use nwam with static afaik
[23:25:18] <ajmcello> oh...gotcha
[23:25:24] <ajmcello> how do i configure for a static?
[23:25:38] <h3sp4wn> wired or wireless ?
[23:25:42] <ajmcello> wired
[23:25:49] <ajmcello> device is e1000g0
[23:26:19] <h3sp4wn> create /etc/hostname.e1000g0
[23:26:49] <h3sp4wn> set the correct ip in /etc/hosts (using the same hostname as in /etc/hostname.e1000g0
[23:27:35] <ajmcello> k
[23:27:40] <ajmcello> and default route?
[23:27:51] <h3sp4wn> You can have that in /etc/defaultrouter
[23:27:58] <h3sp4wn> or you can use the route discovery thing
[23:28:25] <ajmcello> k
[23:28:50] <ajmcello> looks like that is all set up
[23:28:50] <ajmcello> huh
[23:29:02] <ajmcello> i just added the entry to /etc/hosts thats probably why it didnt work
[23:29:02] <ajmcello> thanks
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