[00:03:45] <e^ipi> fuck ebay.
[00:04:05] <e^ipi> 2 CPU's... one doesn't boot, the other is bent.
[00:04:05] <bda> mm?
[00:04:08] <bda> mm.
[00:04:10] <e^ipi> absolutely unacceptable.
[00:08:11] <e^ipi> the other one throws red state errors, which i'm not terribly annoyed at because it's subtle and hard to test
[00:08:14] <e^ipi> but BENT!?!
[00:09:11] <ballChalk> Sounds like you got as-is'd :(
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[00:17:17] <e^ipi> ballChalk: nope, they were sold as working in good condition
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[00:20:26] <storycrafter> i didn't know you could mix Cu/non-Cu
[00:21:18] <e^ipi> you can't
[00:21:24] <e^ipi> that's not the problem
[00:21:30] <e^ipi> the problem is that it's bent
[00:21:43] <storycrafter> heh, well, i got that much.
[00:21:52] <storycrafter> ok, so my hunch was correct.  nm
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[00:24:51] <storycrafter> alright, i'm outtie.  nice to be back on the air after moving to my new job 3 weeks ago.
[00:25:02] <e^ipi> not @ sun ?
[00:25:38] <storycrafter> nope.  never was.
[00:26:04] <storycrafter> won't say what i'm doing now, but will say that my unix ways are......tolerated at best.
[00:26:28] <storycrafter> hence i have to tether my cell to my own laptop to go irc/gmail/etc.
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[00:27:33] <storycrafter> and if anyone happens to be in Ike's path, best wishes.  think i'll go home, grab a beer, and check out weather channel.
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[00:28:04] * jbk is all set
[00:28:09] <e^ipi> i could've sworn he was @ sun
[00:28:11] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[00:28:24] <e^ipi> hey, nobody happens to have an extra 501-6002 kicking around, do they?
[00:28:27] <jbk> heh
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[00:28:59] <jbk> 2 weeks after i took a new job, sun came back about a position
[00:29:32] <e^ipi> heh
[00:29:36] <e^ipi> excellent
[00:31:06] <alanc> saw mail today about two new entry level positions for people to port open source software to SFW/IPS
[00:31:26] <ballChalk> thats encouraging
[00:31:26] <jbk> the timing is amusing
[00:31:28] <e^ipi> neato, i should apply
[00:31:40] <e^ipi> my internship expires eventually
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[00:32:22] <alanc> http://www.sun.com/corp_emp/search.cgi?keyword=559524 & http://www.sun.com/corp_emp/search.cgi?keyword=559525
[00:32:40] <e^ipi> i could also just talk to bonnie a month or two before it expires
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[00:42:33] <gnut> hi all
[00:42:43] <gnut> how does the sun performance library compare to Intel's MKL?
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[01:10:22] <edgy> Hi, I found this question on the net http://www.pastebin.ca/1201403 and one answer is correct (they claim D) but I see both A and D are correct, any hint, please?
[01:11:10] <e^ipi> a job interview test is designed to test your knowledge
[01:11:16] <e^ipi> not the knowledge of people on IRC
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[01:15:39] <edgy> e^ipi: yes but I am not in interview or exam now to consider this cheating, I am studying so I can prepare for the interview in the future
[01:16:52] <e^ipi> then i suggest you read the chmod manual page
[01:17:01] <edgy> e^ipi: and you know sometimes those questions are wrong, I dare say, or at least confusing. they are not testing the knowledge of the topic but rather the knowledge of about the mood of the examiner ;)
[01:17:03] <e^ipi> ( and potentially try it )
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[01:17:38] <ehtom> its a pretty pointless question imo
[01:17:43] <ehtom> D is the correct answer
[01:17:47] <ehtom> but its still dumb
[01:17:49] <edgy> e^ipi: I think I know chmod and suid very well. The point is A says the owner of the file or the directory can delete the file which is also correct
[01:18:10] <edgy> ehtom: yes D is correct but why A is not?
[01:18:45] <alanc> because delete permissions depend on the permissions on the directory it is in
[01:19:42] <ehtom> owner of a directory can change the permissions...
[01:20:07] <ehtom> I think maybe the question is intended to provoke discussion?
[01:20:10] <alanc> for instance: mkdir /tmp/foo ; touch /tmp/foo/bar ; chmod 777 /tmp/foo/bar ; chmod 555 /tmp/foo ; rm /tmp/foo/bar
[01:20:25] <alanc> will fail because even though bar is world writable, foo is not
[01:21:42] <edgy> alanc: good point
[01:22:21] <ehtom> I think its a semi-trick question
[01:22:46] <ehtom> they want you to spot the thing about it being potentially insecure imho
[01:22:52] <ehtom> but I don't know
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[01:32:36] <sartek> somebody knows something about this kenai project? i dont understand "Freely host" but need invitation ? quite strange, and from where get invitation?
[01:33:16] <e^ipi> sartek: web2.0 beta
[01:33:20] <e^ipi> you need an invite for a while
[01:34:36] <sartek> so it will be open-open ?
[01:35:14] <dclarke> that's the idea
[01:35:37] <dclarke> there is the general pool and then .. people can just drop in software packages .. but they have to go through a test phase
[01:35:54] <dclarke> see http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14
[01:36:28] <dclarke> I think this one is best : http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14#p68
[01:37:28] <dclarke> right now we need to clean up the mess of packages that we have and then .. go forwards
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[01:43:06] <dclarke> whoops .. totally wrong channel eh ?
[01:43:13] <dclarke> took a while to catch on to that
[01:43:43] <dclarke> pardon me .. I'll go back to mpfr 2.3.2 crunching
[01:45:02] <e^ipi> sartek: yes. dclarke was inadvertently right.
[01:45:24] <sartek> :)
[01:45:31] * dclarke has no clue at the moment .. and admits that
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[02:07:08] * sstallion swears
[02:07:18] <jbk> hey sstallion
[02:07:22] <sstallion> jbk: heya
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[02:07:39] <jbk> sup?
[02:07:42] <sstallion> I really wish boot-archive wasn't so damned brittle
[02:08:02] <sstallion> I've been attempting to test out 16-bit PIO on re, and i'm getting smacked with a bus error
[02:08:25] <sstallion> several panics later, and now the sparc refuses to boot, complaining about nonexisting issues in /dev/driver_aliases
[02:08:46] <jbk> what about boot -a ?
[02:09:03] <sstallion> thats the next step
[02:09:42] <sstallion> the BERR is really bugging me
[02:09:48] <sstallion> its on an even offset
[02:10:02] <sstallion> not sure how thats resulting in a bus error
[02:10:22] <sstallion> one sec, i'll pastebin
[02:10:48] <jbk> getting rather windy here
[02:11:10] <sstallion> http://rafb.net/p/MAUJgj49.html
[02:11:11] <sstallion> yeah
[02:11:20] <sstallion> had to evacuate family again this week
[02:11:24] <sstallion> did you stay ?
[02:11:33] <jbk> yeah, i'm not in the evactuation area
[02:11:39] <sstallion> ahh good
[02:11:42] <sstallion> are you further north?
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[02:11:53] <jbk> yeah
[02:11:59] <jbk> i'm basically due west from downtown
[02:12:06] <sstallion> I still think its going to hit port arthur/lake charles
[02:12:09] <sstallion> gotcha
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[02:13:29] <sstallion> jbk: any ideas?
[02:13:35] <jbk> not offhand
[02:13:44] <jbk> probably will have to boot of cd/dvd
[02:13:48] <jbk> and fix the file manually
[02:13:50] <sstallion> failsafe is fine
[02:14:01] <sstallion> i didnt see a problem though... i'll double check
[02:14:20] <sstallion> nights like this make me very grateful for lom
[02:14:28] <jbk> :)
[02:14:50] <sstallion> so how's life lately? I've been disconnected for a bit
[02:14:57] <jbk> fine
[02:15:01] <jbk> aside from the impending hurricane
[02:15:28] <sstallion> keeps things interesting :)
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[02:20:46] <jbk> wb
[02:20:52] <sstallion> thanks
[02:20:57] <sstallion> laptop ran out of juice ;)
[02:21:32] <jbk> ahh
[02:21:42] <jbk> i might have that issue here later
[02:21:53] <sstallion> have a ups handy ?
[02:21:57] <jbk> nope
[02:22:07] <sstallion> i'll fedex one ;)
[02:22:11] <sstallion> hell i'll even charge it up :P
[02:22:32] <Gnu_Raiz> I am only getting about 20 minutes on a 13 month old battery.
[02:22:54] <sstallion> we had a really bad run of winter storms a few years ago... quite a bit of snow and ice. my apartment was out of power for a few days
[02:23:02] <sstallion> kept a UPS charged for a single lamp at night... heh
[02:24:27] <e^ipi> i boiled water to make coffee with my UPS last time the power went out
[02:24:35] <e^ipi> kettles drink a lot of energy, by the way
[02:24:51] <sstallion> jbk: something is definitely off... /etc/driver_aliases is clean
[02:25:06] <Gnu_Raiz> you guys need to invest in a generator especially all you overpaid admins.
[02:25:18] <e^ipi> Gnu_Raiz: no such thing as overpaid
[02:25:23] <jbk> in an apartment?
[02:25:26] <e^ipi> Gnu_Raiz: if the market supports it, you're being paid enough
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[02:25:52] <e^ipi> more to the point, it's your duty as a producer in a capitalist society to try to squeeze as much as possible out of your employer
[02:25:57] <e^ipi> to do otherwise is communism
[02:26:03] <Gnu_Raiz> I say overpaid as the materials from sun run a mint, that is if you want the certs.
[02:26:14] <e^ipi> Gnu_Raiz: the certs are $300
[02:26:27] <sstallion> Gnu_Raiz: you should try cisco certs
[02:26:30] <Gnu_Raiz> I mean the books, and the cds.
[02:26:42] <e^ipi> so don't use the books and CD's
[02:26:51] <Gnu_Raiz> took me three months to get on with my current job.
[02:27:00] <Gnu_Raiz> the gov works slow.
[02:27:16] <Gnu_Raiz> but I should have job security now.
[02:27:56] <Gnu_Raiz> I also have a new fancy title. which doesn't mean a thing.
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[02:28:13] <sstallion> jbk: what is the behavior if /etc/driver_aliases does not exist?
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[02:28:39] <jbk> no idea
[02:29:21] <TomJ> is it possible to remove ipfilter completely from one interface?  it used to be with pcap but I'm not sure how it'd be done now
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[02:29:34] <TomJ> s/pcap/pfil
[02:30:43] <Gnu_Raiz> anyone know why I get default error when trying to install a package with pkgadd?
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[02:31:18] <Gnu_Raiz> I am trying to install oss sound, but it won't even read the install script.
[02:32:30] <Gnu_Raiz> also my driver skge gives me 64 bit errors.
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[02:33:26] <Gnu_Raiz> yet hcl says it should work.
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[02:39:37] <sstallion> ...
[02:39:52] <sstallion> jbk: I am *retarded*
[02:40:40] <sstallion> jbk: lu just bit me in the ass. I was checking s0, the current build is on s4
[02:40:50] <jbk> whoops
[02:41:03] * sstallion sighs
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[02:43:02] <sstallion> and this is exactly why zfs-root is a good thing
[02:43:06] <jbk> yes
[02:43:44] <sstallion> looks like that did it... it was a pooched boot-archive
[02:47:07] <sstallion> jbk: do you know offhand how to send a stop-a through telnet ?
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[02:48:40] <jbk> well how are you connected to the console?
[02:49:07] <jbk> a terminal server connected to termA, you can do ctrl-], then break
[02:49:16] <jbk> if it's the console through some sort of lom
[02:49:22] <jbk> either there's a command to send a break
[02:49:38] <jbk> or some key combo usually ~something
[02:49:49] <sstallion> hrmm
[02:49:54] <sstallion> digging through docs now
[02:50:53] <e^ipi> up up down down left right left right B A B A start
[02:53:07] <jv__> ~# iirc
[02:55:32] <jv__> at least i'm fairly certain that that konami code won't send a break :)
[02:55:46] <sstallion> jv__: nope
[02:56:35] <jv__> what are you telnetting into?
[02:57:09] <sstallion> bah I'll just break from the lom
[02:57:24] <sstallion> its into an ALOM over serial
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[05:14:09] <alvarezp> I found references to it in the page, but not conclusive statements.
[05:14:42] <_Auralis> Xorg and Xsun, with xorg prefered on x86 and xsun prefered on sparc
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[05:15:15] <alvarezp> _Auralis: thanks.
[05:19:44] <alanc> OpenSolaris 2008.05 only has Xorg - have to go to older releases like SXCE to get Xsun
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[05:23:36] <gnut> are there any good tablet PCs out there that run sxce well?
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[06:08:59] <erast> folks, anyone heard of Skype port for OpenSolaris yet?
[06:14:31] <ormandj> not i...
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[06:28:02] <hotpockets> Hi
[06:28:22] <hotpockets> Does anyone know how to get a newer gstreamer in nevada?
[06:28:52] <hotpockets> I have 0.10.19, but I need 0.10.20
[06:29:08] <hotpockets> and I can't find what package provides it
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[06:48:48] <jbk> well sstallion was definately wrong
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[06:55:58] <e^ipi> oh?
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[06:56:38] <jbk> he thought ike was gonna take a last minute turn towards port arthur
[06:56:47] <jbk> it's pretty much hitting galveston head on
[06:57:00] <jbk> flooding is already at 11ft there
[06:57:09] <jbk> and the eye is still 2 hours from landing there
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[07:09:52] <e^ipi> and yet you're still on IRC
[07:09:59] * e^ipi thought he had a problem
[07:10:18] <jbk> well power hasn't gone out yet
[07:10:28] <jbk> and this acct is on a box out in the bay area
[07:11:11] <ormandj> all i know is ike isn't coming to san antonio anymore, so i'm happy
[07:12:13] <jbk> the eye is about 80 miles away at the moment
[07:12:27] <jbk> maybe less
[07:12:37] <jbk> looks like it's about to cross galveston
[07:26:31] <jbk> wind is very loud
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[09:14:26] <sickness> morning all
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[09:22:13] <Atomdrache> Is there a simple way for me to get xntpd to synchronize without rebooting my machine?  I just created an ntp.conf and a drift file, and started ntp via svcadm.  But I don't know how to make it synchronize.
[09:22:27] <Atomdrache> well, besides rebooting, but I should expect Solaris does not need me to reboot.
[09:23:59] <_mary_kate_> give it some time, it'll synchronise eventually.  takes a few minutes
[09:24:14] <_mary_kate_> you probably want to 'ntpdate' first as it might refuse to sync if the clock is too far off
[09:30:53] <Atomdrache> I've waited on it for over an hour, so ntpdate it is.
[09:32:12] <Atomdrache> Thanks, that seems to have done the trick.
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[09:43:06] <Tom_> vb
[09:43:08] <Tom_> kjlij
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[10:34:01] <codestr0m> *small victory* biosdisk + solaris works.. just updated my bios on two laptops
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[10:46:33] <rgl> hi
[10:47:33] <rgl> is there some preview of 2008.11 available?
[10:51:12] <Auralis_> yes
[10:52:53] <rgl> can you point me to its page?
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[10:53:19] <e^ipi> rgl: google.com ?
[10:53:21] <Auralis_> its on the opensolaris download page, scroll a bit down
[10:53:22] <e^ipi> or opensolaris.org
[10:53:50] <rgl> ah thank you.  I didn't notice it.
[10:54:35] <ormandj> is .11 going to be based on snv_97 like the current release?
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[11:22:04] <bsdguru> has anyone ever seen any weird networking issues on opensolaris where two network interfaces are UP but not routing any traffic?
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[11:26:23] <lkthomas> guys
[11:26:44] <lkthomas> if I enable webdav, do I need to deal with user auth with sun java web server as well ?
[11:26:56] <e^ipi> did you read the documentation ?
[11:27:16] <lkthomas> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2629/gczyh?a=view
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[11:27:37] <lkthomas> Authentication Database lets you select a database the server will use to authenticate users.
[11:27:37] <lkthomas> The default is keyfile
[11:27:42] <lkthomas> what is a keyfile ?
[11:27:54] <lkthomas> can I config all these from GUI ?! I can't find it on docs
[11:28:01] <e^ipi> why would you?
[11:28:06] <e^ipi> GUI's are broken most of the time
[11:28:07] <lkthomas> sorry ?
[11:28:11] <lkthomas> is it ?
[11:28:14] <lkthomas> hmm
[11:28:14] <_mary_kate_> the WS GUI is pretty good
[11:28:19] <lkthomas> agree
[11:28:38] <e^ipi> here's all your information:
[11:28:40] <e^ipi>  http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/1308.3
[11:28:43] <e^ipi> go read that.
[11:29:00] <lkthomas> as I said I am on webdav part
[11:30:14] <lkthomas> I am kind of confused with webdav
[11:30:21] <lkthomas> I am planning to use it as a calendar server
[11:30:39] <lkthomas> but, we have to config individual user permission to access calendar
[11:30:46] <lkthomas> is it done by WS ?
[11:30:58] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2629/gczyh?a=view
[11:31:20] <lkthomas> e^ipi, I am on it a long time ago
[11:32:15] <e^ipi> "Managing WebDAV Authentication Databases"
[11:33:11] <lkthomas> I think I could control which group/user be able to access webdav by using basic auth
[11:33:22] <lkthomas> but it will be a headache
[11:33:35] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2629
[11:33:48] <e^ipi> notice the "Managing Users and Groups" link
[11:33:54] <e^ipi> perhaps that could be useful?
[11:33:59] <e^ipi> why, golly... it sure is
[11:34:01] <e^ipi> reading is fun.
[11:34:16] <e^ipi> we should read more often, children.
[11:34:47] <lkthomas> great, that's test that :)
[11:34:51] <e^ipi> all you need to do is open your eyes, and pay attention to the words on the screen.
[11:34:58] <lkthomas> heh :)
[11:35:02] <lkthomas> brb, testing
[11:35:06] <e^ipi> it's not funny, it's actually pretty pathetic
[11:35:32] <codestr0m> e^ipi: can I ask your age?
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[11:35:53] <e^ipi> does it matter?
[11:36:00] <codestr0m> mostly curious
[11:36:04] <lkthomas> it does :P
[11:36:09] <codestr0m> , but in the context of opensolaris no
[11:36:25] <lkthomas> LOL
[11:36:27] <lkthomas> hell yeah
[11:36:32] <lkthomas> I found webdav tab on config screen
[11:36:36] <lkthomas> let's do it with GUI :P
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[11:41:08] <lkthomas> HANG ON NOW
[11:41:13] <lkthomas> I found something
[11:41:18] <lkthomas> Sun Java system calendar server ?!
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[11:41:27] <e^ipi> don't really need the play-by-play
[11:41:49] <lkthomas> interesting that I need some calendar server and Sun do have it
[11:41:51] <lkthomas> hmm
[11:42:12] <codestr0m> lkthomas: the best way to get help here before you annoy someone is to ask in a very clear way your question and then wait
[11:42:24] <lkthomas> k :)
[11:42:34] <e^ipi> actually take it to heart.
[11:44:09] <e^ipi> you're being quite disruptive. there is a concept from a talk on building open source communities of "poisonous people", of which one of them is the user that eats up everyone's time, preventing other work
[11:44:22] <e^ipi> while i haven't completely placed you in that category, you're /rapidly/ approaching it
[11:44:44] <e^ipi> I suggest you begin to self-censor
[11:49:07] <codestr0m> trochej: in regards to the zfs+ (not sure if you're subbed to the zfs-discuss), but http://blogs.sun.com/bobp/resource/greenbytes%20white%20paper.pdf
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[11:49:25] <Pietro_S> away
[11:50:36] <e^ipi> o_O ?
[11:52:11] <e^ipi> this differs from ZFS how precisely ?
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[11:52:29] <codestr0m> did you read the pdf?
[11:53:15] <e^ipi> yeah, it sounds mostly just like some ZFS-based NAS thing
[11:53:23] <e^ipi> or management interface
[11:54:56] <codestr0m> well. I'm not sure if they've increased the compression efficiencies and other things like MAID.. but still a bit fuzzy
[11:55:04] <codestr0m> I guess we'll know more on the 15th
[11:56:05] <codestr0m> all I care about is if they'll push the code out
[11:56:25] <codestr0m> proprietary closed source solutions have no value to me
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[11:57:43] <lkthomas> ok guys, I just setup a testing dir to /cal, /cal dir also created, but when I use sunbird to write to that webdav dir, it shows:
[11:57:44] <lkthomas> Publishing the calendar file failed
[11:57:45] <lkthomas> Status code: 409: Conflict
[11:58:04] <lkthomas> WS shows: "GET /cal HTTP/1.1"
[11:58:21] <lkthomas> permission have been set to allow ALL,
[11:58:46] <codestr0m> lkthomas: for what you're specifically trying to do. I'm not sure this is the best place to ask. I mean.. you may have better luck in the mozilla irc channel for sunbird help
[11:58:56] <_mary_kate_> i think he wants WS help
[11:59:05] <_mary_kate_> (you might try the forum at forum.java.sun.com)
[11:59:09] <lkthomas> ok
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[12:03:58] <Macabee> hrm - build 97 won't boot on my macbook pro on bare metal (at all)
[12:04:04] <Macabee> always used to boot
[12:04:30] <codestr0m> Macabee: try with dual core turned off
[12:04:51] <Macabee> cos a macbook pro has a bios?
[12:04:51] <Macabee> :P
[12:05:18] <codestr0m> there's a way to boot with with only a single core
[12:05:40] <e^ipi> i doubt that that would be it
[12:05:47] <e^ipi> doesn't really make any sense
[12:05:51] <Macabee> the error is about disks
[12:05:59] <Macabee> it basically times out talking to the CDROM it just booted off
[12:06:07] <e^ipi> hmm
[12:06:08] <e^ipi> odd
[12:06:11] <Macabee> which is odd
[12:06:17] <Macabee> because build 95 DID work
[12:06:19] <Macabee> 97 does not
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[12:06:41] <Macabee> (i wanted to check out if any of the newer versions of drivers made it better on the bare metal)
[12:07:03] <Macabee> however it appears to have regressed - the same DVD was used to install my home server yesterday
[12:07:05] <Macabee> so i know the DVD is ok
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[12:10:12] <lkthomas> I just checked Sun Java System Calendar Server, it seems does not support MACOSX
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[12:11:24] <codestr0m> should I build wine or is there a binary floating around? I'm not finding it in IPS
[12:13:17] <lkthomas> nevermind, just found a docs said the calendar server might return ical format, hmm
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[12:21:29] <twisti> codestr0m, I guess there are builds, hang on...
[12:21:40] <lkthomas> I start to realize that Sun Microsystem contribute a lot on opensource community
[12:21:50] <codestr0m> twisti: I found this http://ocean1.ee.duth.gr/SolarisX/
[12:22:08] <twisti> http://blogs.sun.com/jb/entry/wine_1_1_2_has
[12:23:51] <codestr0m> twisti thanks.
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[12:31:08] <Macabee> worth noting - if you have an nvidia card
[12:31:13] <Macabee> you can actually run... WoW under Solaris
[12:31:14] <Macabee> :P
[12:32:04] <lkthomas> with wine, right ?
[12:32:10] <Macabee> yes
[12:32:12] <lkthomas> k
[12:32:14] <Macabee> wine 1.1+
[12:32:23] <Macabee> i had it working with a soundblaster x-fi as well
[12:32:25] <Macabee> (which is quite cool)
[12:32:51] <lkthomas> did you guys ever wondering why Apple did not pick solaris as their OS ? :P
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[12:33:29] <Macabee> at the time it was desktop mature enough would be the first
[12:33:44] <Macabee> it also didn't/doesn't support anything other than sparc/x86
[12:33:52] <lkthomas> I don't think nexstep is mature
[12:34:03] <lkthomas> hmm
[12:34:18] <Macabee> its more the cpu archs that are supported imho
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[12:46:07] <lkthomas> is that possible to export virtual server setting incase I need to move WS ?
[12:47:07] <Macabee> WS?
[12:47:25] <lkthomas> sun java web server
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[13:13:31] <kimc> good morning
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[13:43:56] <codestr0m> where's the docs on how to catch acpi events in Solaris/OpenSolaris.. (yeah. I should grep the code)
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[15:06:02] <ksyl_> hello
[15:07:08] <kohju> hi.
[15:07:14] <ksyl_> does someone know the best way to have virtual machine, using opensolaris as host ?
[15:08:11] <sickness> best? depends on your requirements, you have fundamentally 3 options: xvm, virtualbox, qemu
[15:08:37] <ksyl_> ok
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[15:08:41] <kohju> what do you want to run?
[15:08:51] <ksyl_> haiku
[15:08:55] <ksyl_> and some bsd
[15:09:16] <ksyl_> so I need the fastest one
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[15:12:12] <balbirs> how can I install rsync package in opensolaris ? do we have option like pkg_add -r <pkg_name> like freebsd ?
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[15:12:42] <sickness> balbirs: if you have SXCE rsync should be there by default...
[15:13:46] <balbirs> I get something like this, I am tryin to run rsync command
[15:13:48] <balbirs> bash-3.00# which rsync
[15:13:48] <balbirs> no rsync in /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/openwin/bin /usr/ucb
[15:14:01] <TomJ> might be /usr/sfw/bin
[15:14:27] <twisti> SUNWrsync
[15:14:40] <twisti> basename   file      usr/bin/rsync             pkg:/SUNWrsync at 2 dot 6.9-0.97
[15:14:41] <kohju> i have at /bin/rsync
[15:15:06] <balbirs> nope not there, how to check if this package[SUNWrsync] is installed there ?
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[15:15:32] <kohju> pkgchk -v SUNWrsync |& grep rsync
[15:15:32] <kohju> ,  /usr/bin/rsync
[15:15:36] <twisti> $ pkg info SUNWrsync
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[15:16:25] <balbirs> bash-3.00# pkgchk -v SUNWrsync | grep rsync
[15:16:25] <balbirs> WARNING: no pathnames were associated with <SUNWrsync>
[15:16:45] <balbirs> how to get it installed ?
[15:17:32] <twisti> balbirs, Is that Indiana?
[15:18:44] <kohju> balbirs, do you have pkg command?
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[15:19:15] <balbirs> I have pkgadd and of that family
[15:19:36] <balbirs> pkg-config  pkgadm      pkgchk      pkginfo     pkgparam    pkgrp pkgadd      pkgask      pkgcond     pkgmk       pkgproto    pkgtrans
[15:20:03] <balbirs> tell me which one can help me out
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[15:23:54] <kohju> balbirs, uname -v?
[15:24:56] <kohju> you can get SUNWrsync in install disk.
[15:27:32] <sickness> SUNWlibrsync and SUNWrsync
[15:28:22] <balbirs> kohju: Generic_120012-14
[15:28:36] <_mary_kate_> balbirs: you're using solaris 10, not opensolaris
[15:28:48] <balbirs> I am on x86
[15:29:14] <balbirs> SunOS sunos 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc
[15:29:28] <saablover> opensolaris is 5.11
[15:30:04] <kohju> you're use Solaris 10, type 'cat /etc/release | grep Solaris
[15:30:04] <kohju> '
[15:30:43] <balbirs> Solaris 10 8/07 s10x_u4wos_12b X86
[15:31:08] <kohju> u4 !
[15:31:32] <_mary_kate_> looks like U4 with no patches applied, too
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[15:31:43] <balbirs> I am still kind of fresher in solaris, didn't new I am using solaris 10, I was under impressio that in x86 only open solaris can be installed
[15:31:55] <_mary_kate_> no, x86 has been supported since solaris 2.3 or something
[15:32:30] <kohju> Hmm, i don't have Solaris10U4 server.....
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[15:33:19] <saablover> _mary_kate: hmmm before 10 solaris x86 was not that good :)
[15:33:22] <kohju> i don't know that solaris 10u4 has rsync.
[15:33:37] <TomJ> Solaris 10 doesnt have rsync in base
[15:33:42] <TomJ> it's in the companion DVD as SFWrsync
[15:33:45] <TomJ> old version though
[15:34:01] <TomJ> balbirs: Solaris 10 x86 is excellent, I use it exclusively
[15:34:14] <kohju> you can get rsync at http://www.sunfreeware.com/ or http://www.blastwave.org/
[15:34:42] <balbirs> :)
[15:40:59] <edgy> Hi, /etc/default/su contains a commented line of CONSOLE=/dev/console. I uncommented it and expected to see the logs in /var/adm/sulog apear on my screen instead but nothing happens
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[15:44:52] <Kimloc> hey do you guys have any good/bad experience with pkgsrc under solaris?
[15:45:05] <TomJ> Where does -net in auto_master / autofs get its list of hostnames from?
[15:45:16] <_mary_kate_> i tried it shortly after S10 was released.  most stuff didn't compile and it only generated 32-bit libraries
[15:45:19] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: what list?
[15:46:07] <TomJ> I mean -hosts..  .e.g   /net -hosts   populates the /net tree, but what does it populate it with?
[15:46:17] <TomJ> only hosts that have been specifically mounted for other reasons?
[15:46:23] <TomJ> or is there some list of hosts that it mounts all of?
[15:47:09] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: it will mount any hosts you request
[15:47:13] <edgy> TomJ: may be it would populate it with the host after you try access it
[15:47:18] <Kimloc> _mary_kate_: I tried it a few days ago, but in vbox and not sparc :(  the thing is that we're building a lot of packages from source anyway
[15:47:34] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: to start with, /net will be empty.  if you access /net/somehost, somehost will appear in /net
[15:47:40] <TomJ> right ok thanks
[15:48:02] <_mary_kate_> Kimloc: you need 64-bit libraries on x86 too if you want to link 64-bit programs
[15:48:18] <edgy> any one can explain the the use of  CONSOLE=/dev/console in /etc/default/su to me
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[15:49:12] <TomJ> how would I do this:  a remote host has, say, 50 exports, and I want to auto mount them all under /remote_host/  or whatever.  the mounts could change over time and I dont want to have to update the client each time, so I want client to be dynamically mounting all remote_host's mount, and ideally I want it to know if remote_host adds a new mount
[15:50:04] <TomJ> basically RemoteHost is a big box running 90 zones.  I want those zones to be manipulatable by users on another system, without them having to login.  theeofre on RemoteHost I want to expost /zone/*/local  and have that be mounted on Client as /remote_host/*/local  so that every zone's /usr/local is accessible via NFS to Client
[15:50:39] <TomJ> and I'd prefer to do this without having to create 90 shares on RemoteHost and 90 mounts on Client, at least not manually
[15:50:45] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: using /net/remote-host/usr/local isn't good enough?
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[15:51:17] <TomJ> well yeah maybe it is.. I'm just pondering really
[15:51:47] <_mary_kate_> exporting /usr/local over nfs sounds like a dubious idea to me.  some people like to install config files in /usr/local/etc, and those files might contain passwords
[15:52:25] <TomJ> in general yeah,  but these are strictly controlled QA zones, known set of software etc, only system services are running
[15:53:03] <TomJ> QA users need to be able to change the settings of that software, and all such config files go to /usr/local.  right now they just login to each zone but I'm trying to reduce or prevent that
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[15:53:42] <_mary_kate_> what about doing it in reverse - mount the config files from the client host
[15:53:57] <_mary_kate_> i think you can use automount magic to automatically get /{hostname}/config, or something
[15:54:38] <TomJ> hmm yeah that's an idea too
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[15:58:27] <TomJ> in SMF is there any way to change the default log location for a given service?  e.g. not /var/svc/log/<fmri>.log but something else?
[15:59:33] <sponix> anyone in here running os200805 under VirtualBox ?
[16:00:13] <edgy> TomJ: using svccfg you can set props
[16:00:29] <TomJ> edgy: sure but do you know if there is a prop that controls this?
[16:00:38] <edgy> TomJ: yes
[16:01:08] <TomJ> and do you know what it is? :)
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[16:01:40] <TomJ> oh restarter/logfile
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[16:02:19] <edgy> TomJ: yes the name vary depending on the service
[16:02:30] <TomJ> sweet thanks
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[16:06:42] <edgy> TomJ: now I tried to see the  property for network/ssh but it's not there, and I am not sure whether you can just add it and expect it to work or is there another way to control it!
[16:09:26] <TomJ> Ah ok, but it's there for the services I'm interested in at least
[16:09:48] <TomJ> I wonder why it's not there for network/ssh
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[16:30:01] <jimi_home> quick question: when doing a jumpstart via pxe, do you have to have any special configurations on the dhcpd server to handle both sparc/x86?
[16:34:20] <sickness> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6580058 <- when will an l1 driver be available? :/
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[16:57:01] <Lethargy_4> I am trying to install OSS audio but pkgadd -d does not work.
[16:57:08] <Lethargy_4> give me this error.
[16:57:48] <Lethargy_4> pkgadd: ERROR: unable to open admin file <default>: No such file or directory
[16:58:01] <Lethargy_4> google is coming up empty.
[16:58:11] <_mary_kate_> what did you type?
[16:58:35] <Lethargy_4> pkgadd -d oss file name just like the install instructions say.
[16:58:50] <_mary_kate_> paste the exact command
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[16:59:04] <Lethargy_4> if I use pkgadd -a none -d file name it works. but I have no idea what directory to install oss to.
[16:59:26] <Lethargy_4>  pkgadd -d oss-solaris-v4.0-1016-i386.pkg
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[17:00:19] <Lethargy_4> so I installed it to home .oss and of course nothing works.
[17:00:36] <Lethargy_4> export/home/xxxxx/.oss to be exact
[17:00:39] <edgy> who command output: root pts/s sep 13 12:56 (:0.0) what's the meaning of the numbers between parenthesis? what if I have (physical) instead of numbers?
[17:01:05] <Lethargy_4> where xxxx is Lethargy_4
[17:02:08] <Lethargy_4> of course google comes up with not much detail. I fount the -a none by reading the man page for pkg.
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[17:06:07] <Lethargy_4> the oss install pdf does not cover that detail of default directory.
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[17:09:41] <TomJ> edgy: doesn't look like you can change the value of restarter/logfile :(
[17:11:03] <jamesd_> what happened to  prtdiag on the sxce installer disk...  is it the full version?  can this  blade 1k really only print out 14 lines of text?
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[17:36:27] <jamesd_> damm its exciting watching the install disk reformat this 36GB fcal drive on my blade 1k, its so awesome i can't stand to watch it...
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[17:39:58] <trochej> jamesd_: ?
[17:43:22] <jamesd_> i am being sarcastic... bought a blade 1k and 2 fcal drives for it.. now they have to be reformatted to 512 byte sectors...
[17:43:33] <trochej> Oh.
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[17:43:37] <trochej> ETA?
[17:43:55] <jamesd_> just what i want to do with the  first 4 hours of the  box...  who knows... its just saying  "formating...."
[17:44:13] <jamesd_> nothing is showing up in  iostat -xz 2   or iostat -En ... or dmesg
[17:45:17] <jamesd_> oh well hopefully it will be done by the time i get home... get to go do 4-5 hours of overtime... yeah time and a 1/2 rocks...
[17:53:28] <trochej> :)
[17:53:37] <trochej> Coffee?
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[18:04:48] <sickness> yeah
[18:04:54] <sickness> just had coffee yum :)
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[18:06:52] <trochej> I did too, but I need another
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[18:23:45] <tview> Does open solaris play nice with the grub boot loader? I currently use debian.
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[18:24:27] <trochej> tview: In my experience it plays very well
[18:25:09] <Aria> Solaris has their own extended GRUB.
[18:25:26] <Aria> It plays nice, but you have the usual issues of keeping two sets of boot menus in sync
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[18:27:08] <trochej> Aria: I use a vmlinuz and initrd symlinks in one grub menu
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[18:27:47] <Aria> Yes, but each OS wants to maintain its own menu file. but that technique will make it work relatively easily. Just hand-merge the menus into Solaris'
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[18:29:40] <trochej> Aria: IIRC Debian keeps a /vmlinuz or /boot/vmlinuz symlinkto an actual newest kernel image
[18:30:05] <trochej> Aria: So you can put this in kernel and /initrd.img in initrd parametrs of Solaris GRUB and it works well.
[18:30:15] <trochej> And have one menu file
[18:30:23] <Aria> Yep. EXactly.
[18:30:32] <tview> Aria: what usual issues of keeping two sets in sync?
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[18:31:04] <Aria> The keeping in sync.
[18:31:10] <Aria> Nothing automatic there ;-)
[18:31:24] <Aria> And both Debian and Solaris like to manage things themselves.
[18:31:30] <tview> I dotn know what you mean. I ahe grub booting between windows and 3 versions of Linux and there is no keeping in sync of anything.
[18:32:20] <Aria> Windows doesn't add Grub entries. You take advantage of the symlinks for Debian, so their entry is static.
[18:32:36] <Aria> But if you don't do that in Debian, and let it update the menu, it adds a new entry for each new kernel.
[18:32:41] <Aria> (and Ubuntu does this by default)
[18:32:43] <Aria> So does Solaris.
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[18:36:05] <Fullmoon> I made sure that the second disk in the mirrored root pool has no EFI label before I attach it (zpool attach rpool c5d0s0 c6d0), but after checking it gets a EFI label after adding it the rpool.
[18:36:30] <Fullmoon> Means that beadm cant set the bootfs property, and fails.
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[18:36:42] <_mary_kate_> Fullmoon: you need to attach a slice, not the whole disk
[18:36:48] <_mary_kate_> if you add a whole disk, zfs writes an EFI label
[18:37:06] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: I tried to attach s0, but, "not enough space"
[18:37:16] <_mary_kate_> are your disks identical size?
[18:37:28] <Fullmoon> I created a single partition with 100% size of the disk with format -e > fdisk
[18:37:30] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: Yes
[18:37:42] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: Attaching the whole disk worked (without s0)
[18:37:48] <Fullmoon> This is under x86
[18:37:51] <_mary_kate_> show the output of prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/cXdXtXs2 for each disk at rafb.net/paste
[18:40:37] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: http://rafb.net/p/GyoyrG56.html
[18:41:41] <_mary_kate_> how did you label c6d0s2?
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[18:42:35] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: "SMI" from label in "format"
[18:42:40] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: This is after adding to the rpool
[18:43:09] <_mary_kate_> no, after you add it to the pool it no longer has an SMI label, it erased your label and replaced it with an EFI label
[18:43:16] <_mary_kate_> removed it, label it again, then show the prtvtoc output
[18:43:32] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: Allright :9
[18:43:34] <Fullmoon> :)
[18:43:38] <Fullmoon> Thanks for helping, moment
[18:45:32] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: http://rafb.net/p/0BGsYv82.html
[18:47:03] <_mary_kate_> why did you put so many slices on the disk?
[18:48:10] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: On c6? ; I did not. format -e, select disk, fdisk, delete partition, create new partition, Solaris 2, exit, label, exit
[18:48:23] <_mary_kate_> 'label, exit' isn't enough
[18:48:28] <_mary_kate_> you have to actually _do_ the labelling
[18:48:36] <_mary_kate_> (probably by creating a single s0 that spans the entire disk)
[18:49:05] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: What do you mean? label asked me for the label and I chose SMI
[18:49:15] <Aria> that's the label type
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[18:49:16] <_mary_kate_> you have to create slices on the disk
[18:49:20] <_mary_kate_> this is called 'labelling the disk'
[18:49:21] <Aria> Not the label contents.
[18:49:29] <_mary_kate_> you want to create a single slice, s0, which fills the entire disk
[18:49:39] <Fullmoon> And this is not "partitioning"?
[18:49:41] <Aria> So  you picked out a nice shiny SMI-shaped label, and wrote exactly nothing on it and stuck it on the drive.
[18:49:47] <_mary_kate_> partitions are x86 fdisk partitions
[18:49:53] <_mary_kate_> it's confusing to use that term to refer to solaris slices
[18:49:54] <Aria> Partitions are outside, Solaris X86 made some concessions to BIOSes that are FUGLY
[18:50:31] <Aria> So you usually make an fdisk partition (whole disk), label the partition (as if it were the whole disk) and then make slices within that.
[18:50:33] <Aria> Yes, it's ugly.
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[18:50:50] <Aria> (and I really wish that the whole contraption would just use EFI already)
[18:50:54] <Fullmoon> Allright, I dont see a way to create those slices though
[18:50:58] <Fullmoon> within format
[18:51:03] <_mary_kate_> at the format> prompt type 'label'
[18:51:04] <Aria> (MBR-synched EFI where needed)
[18:51:26] <Fullmoon> _mary_kate_: Then I choose SMI, and it ask me if I am ready, I say yes
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[18:51:37] <Fullmoon> Then I am in the format menu
[18:51:40] <_mary_kate_> oh, wrong one, type 'part'
[18:52:02] <Fullmoon> Ah, I see, I can choose to change the 9 partitions now
[18:53:27] <Fullmoon> All free hog sounds good
[18:57:40] <Fullmoon> This looks good now. Resilvering
[18:57:52] <Fullmoon> c5d0s0 and c6d0s0 are in the rpool now
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[19:08:09] <edgy> _mary_kate_: I guess you can just use 'p' instead of 'part', right?
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[19:08:52] <_mary_kate_> dunno
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[19:09:52] <Fullmoon> Other question: my active boot environment is maked as Mountpoint legacy
[19:10:38] <trochej> Fullmoon: Mine too. :)
[19:10:44] <trochej> Fullmoon: I think that's good so far. :)
[19:10:49] <Fullmoon> trochej: And you can beadm create new enviroonment?
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[19:15:21] <Fullmoon> Maybe it is another reason that I cant create a new boot environment, um
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[19:29:31] <edgy> I uncommented CONSOLE=/dev/console in /etc/default/su and when I su I still can't see any message on my screen according to http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4557/secsystask-44?a=view
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[20:00:58] <saablover> can anyone help me with understanding zfs clones ?
[20:01:17] <saablover> can I change the zfs clone without affecting the original fs ?
[20:01:33] <saablover> or should I promote it to a new fs ?
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[20:03:24] <blahee> saablover: i think -> yes. You can't delete the original before you promote (AFAIK it's how it's working)
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[20:04:08] <blahee> saablover: ie. promoting makes the clone independent of the original and therefor original can be removed
[20:05:13] <saablover> thx
[20:05:20] <saablover> thx blahee
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[20:07:02] <trochej> I think that promoting a clone switches the places and a clone becomes an fs and fs becomes a clone.
[20:07:15] <trochej> Its all in the ZFS Admin Guide
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[20:11:39] <saablover> let's see if we can do zfs send and receive via the live cd
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[20:12:26] <anthrax> hi guys
[20:13:12] <e^ipi> yo
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[20:19:44] <wonko2> ok, i'm trying to write an SMF service and i can't tell why it's failing
[20:20:07] <wonko2> svcs -xv shows that it's in maint. for Reason: Method failed.
[20:20:39] <wonko2> the log file has nothing useful (just the Enabled. and Disabled. and such)
[20:20:41] <tomww> wonko2: share your xml with us...
[20:20:46] <wonko2> sure
[20:21:11] <wonko2> http://svn.4amlunch.net/projects/mldonkey/mldonkey.xml
[20:21:13] <tomww> and you could try running your startscript manually
[20:21:21] <wonko2> the script works fine
[20:21:26] <wonko2> that's the troubling part. :)
[20:23:30] <tomww> okay. svcs -xv tells you some line, can you share these lines with us too?
[20:24:30] <wonko2> sure, one sec
[20:25:49] <wonko2> ok, look in the dir that the xml file is in
[20:25:51] <wonko2> it's all there
[20:26:08] <tomww> :-)
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[20:26:50] <tomww> okay svcadm clear mldonkey
[20:26:58] <tomww> does this clear the maintenance state?
[20:27:08] <wonko2> let me try
[20:27:32] <wonko2> no
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[20:29:39] <tomww> hm. what is the result if you give "which wget" on your command line?
[20:30:21] <reflect> RElling: did you get my msg_
[20:30:22] <reflect> ?
[20:30:39] <wonko2> it points me at wget in /usr/local/bin
[20:32:31] <tomww> hm. in the startscript is there the first line with "#!/sbin/sh
[20:32:52] <wonko2> ah, dammit
[20:32:55] <wonko2> i bet that's it
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[20:34:43] <wonko2> that didn't fix it
[20:34:45] <wonko2> hmmm
[20:34:48] <tomww> too bad.
[20:34:49] <wonko2> well
[20:34:55] <tomww> another svcadm clear?
[20:34:59] <wonko2> i used some things in that script that sh wouldn't like
[20:35:07] <wonko2> since ksh is my login shell
[20:35:17] <tomww> you can place whatever shell you like intothe shebang line
[20:35:25] <tomww> (I think so)
[20:35:57] <tomww> you could try again the script with the shebang line on you local shell
[20:36:17] <wonko2> bah, that didn't help either
[20:37:27] <wonko2> is SMF expecting any particular return value from the script?
[20:37:37] <tomww> so svcs -xv still tells you "method failed" ?
[20:37:54] <tomww> yes I think return values are used..
[20:38:18] <tomww> the service may be killed (all programs in this process conext) if the method script fails.
[20:38:29] <tomww> so you won't see any daemons survive
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[20:39:14] <wonko2> ok, i added for the method script to touch a file in /tmp
[20:39:19] <wonko2> that should survive, right?
[20:39:28] <tomww> well, yes for now.
[20:39:30] <tomww> :-)
[20:39:33] <wonko2> right
[20:39:33] <wonko2> ;)
[20:39:40] <wonko2> well, it's not even getting created at all
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[20:41:36] <tomww> okay, maybe we are thinking in the wrong direction.
[20:41:56] <tomww> your script doesn't start a daemon out of this process conext, right?
[20:42:00] <tomww> *context
[20:42:42] <wonko2> it starts a process that from what I can tell, isn't daemonized, so it needs to be backgrounded
[20:43:20] <tomww> I see. this is the mlnet program
[20:43:40] <tomww> at the moment there are non of these mlnet running?
[20:43:49] <tomww> pgrep mlnet
[20:44:06] <wonko2> nope, none
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[20:45:09] <tomww> and if you run the startscript from your shell, the process gets created and survives in the background, right?
[20:45:18] <wonko2> yes
[20:46:12] <tomww> well, my last Idea is, to make an empty environment to test the script from your shell
[20:47:17] <tomww> so, fist do a stop, then   env -i /lib/svc/method/mldonkey start
[20:47:35] <wonko2> what i don't get is why the method script won't even touch a file as the first thing it should be doing
[20:47:39] <wonko2> let me try that
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[20:48:04] <tomww> okay, execution rights are properly set?
[20:48:09] <wonko2> yup
[20:48:31] <wonko2> ok, this might be it
[20:48:32] <wonko2> wonko@zaphod$ env -i /lib/svc/method/mldonkey start
[20:48:32] <wonko2> /lib/svc/method/mldonkey[12]: which:  not found
[20:48:47] <wonko2> but.... the touch happens before the call to which
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[20:48:56] <wonko2> so i still don't get why that isn't happening
[20:49:38] <saablover> can you somehow determine which packages are used as drivers on your running system ?
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[20:49:39] <tomww> okay, the "env -i" killed the startet serach path...
[20:50:21] <tomww> wonko2: last question. the user which is used to run the scripts manually, is this mldonkey?
[20:50:30] <tomww> so something like su - mldonkey
[20:50:44] <tomww> and then run the script with env -i PATH=/usr/bin /lib/svc/method/mldonkey start
[20:52:37] <wonko2> hmmmm
[20:52:40] <wonko2> how odd
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[20:52:51] <wonko2> without the 'env -i' it works (as that user)
[20:52:56] <wonko2> with the 'env -i' it doesn't work
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[20:53:09] <tomww> so if you clean you env then ist refuses to work.
[20:53:22] <tomww> you last tried the env -i PATH=/usr/bin /lib/svc/method/mldonkey start
[20:53:38] <tomww> to have at least the PATH=/usr/bin  as the only env setting?
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[20:54:21] <wonko2> no, i even wiped that out since i added /usr/bin to the PATH env in the script
[20:55:03] <tomww> okay. maybe some HOME env setting needed, or LOGNAME or such?
[20:55:32] <wonko2> i'll poke around and figure it out
[20:55:38] <tomww> the smf service is a child of init so it's totally uninformed about user "mldonkey" environment I think
[20:55:44] <wonko2> thanks for getting me pointed in the right direction anyway
[20:55:44] <wonko2> ;)
[20:56:39] <tomww> you could prepare your own enviroment by looking at "set" of the user mldonkey and iterate
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[20:57:46] <codestr0m> I'm looking for the SUNWgnome-terminal source which corresponds to gnome-terminal 2.18..
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[21:29:33] <sailorvrz> any chance getting opensolaris running on a fsc-amilo laptop with ati chipset?
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[22:32:47] <tomww> sailorvrz: ati grafics chipset?
[22:33:04] <sailorvrz> tomww, yeah
[22:33:17] <sailorvrz> mobility radeon shared
[22:33:37] <tomww> 2-D modes should be possible with Xorg. The newest ATI grafics-Chipsets are IIRC not very good equipped with Xorg drivers (even with Linux)
[22:34:04] <tomww> do you know the marketing name of this chip? someting like X-500 X-700 -X something
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[22:37:21] <sailorvrz> ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
[22:37:34] <sailorvrz> 200M Series
[22:40:00] <e^ipi> probably not supported
[22:40:04] <e^ipi> for 3d anyways
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[22:41:56] <sailorvrz> well I don't need 3d ;) my main concern is the ide/sata chipset support
[22:42:13] <e^ipi> videocard has nothing to do with that
[22:42:23] <sailorvrz> I know
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[22:43:14] <sailorvrz> lspci says the whole system is equiped with some ati shit
[22:44:15] <e^ipi> why not just pop the CD in, and use the solaris device tool?
[22:44:30] <e^ipi> rather than pissing around with linux and guessing
[22:44:35] <sailorvrz> well that's apoint :)
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[22:48:08] <ocr> my server wont boot xVM after i LU-ed to snv_97 (SXCE)
[22:48:31] <ocr> which log file may I find information about the core dump
[22:48:38] <ocr> in*
[22:50:50] <nachox> you can also install the device detection tool from within linux
[22:51:03] <wonko2> or just boot into milax and see what you get
[22:51:04] <wonko2> ;)
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[22:53:00] <tomww> sailorvrz: might be the case that a vesa mode works with Xorg.
[22:53:09] <nachox> downloading the device dettection tool is quicker really
[22:53:34] <tomww> for the other hardware you might use the device detection tool or boot the opensolaris2008.05 cdrom (approx 650MB)
[22:53:52] <sailorvrz> yeah.. burning the live cd right now
[22:56:10] <TomJ> I have a system with 180 ZFS NFS shares, in the form /tank/zone/<zonename>/local and /tank/zone/<zonename>/log  .  is there a way with automounter or otherwise to automatically mount all of these on a client machine?  At the moment I'm using the default  /net -host but with 'nobrowse' removed, once I mount something from ServerA I can then browse /net/ServerA/tank/zone/zonename/local   but is there a way to automount them all to a static
[22:56:10] <TomJ> location like /mymnt/zones/& ?
[22:56:56] <TomJ> or to put it another way, say ServerA had 1000 NFS shares and I wanted to mount 180 that matched a pattern to /blah/ - is there a way to do that?  (rather than using /net which would show all 1000)
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[23:07:51] <sailorvrz> live cd works... except for the sound
[23:08:07] <e^ipi> bonus
[23:08:22] <sailorvrz> SATA Controller: ATI Technologies Inc 4379 Serial ATA Controller :D
[23:08:28] <e^ipi> as for sound; OSS isn't included, but you can add it later
[23:08:35] <sailorvrz> well nice
[23:08:40] <tomww> sailorvrz: sound might possibly work by adding the pci-id with update_drv and the pci-vendor+card and drivername
[23:08:40] <e^ipi> it's got drivers for pretty much everything i've ever run across
[23:08:55] <e^ipi> tomww: or pkgadd -d oss-<version>.pkg
[23:08:57] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[23:08:58] <sailorvrz> heh thanks for the help
[23:09:34] <sailorvrz> the gui is quite an improvement.. I still remember CDE from Solaris 9
[23:09:43] <tomww> e^ipi: yes, if he want's to. But I don't agree 100% with oss, personally.
[23:11:22] <codestr0m> e^ipi: stupid question. since I'm pretty sure you know or can tell me how to find.. I'm looking for the source to SUNWgnome-terminal at 0 dot 5.11-0.xx I can't find it in onnv-gate.. and not sure where else to look
[23:13:13] <tomww> codestr0m: might reside in the JDS repository
[23:13:57] <tomww> google for spec-files solaris terminal
[23:14:28] <codestr0m> tomww: I found the spec file, but looking at it and I must have missed the reference to the source.. cause just backing up the tree didn't seem to give me the right path..
[23:14:31] <tomww> it is build by pkgtool/pkgbuild and a repository stores the spec file and patches if there are any
[23:14:31] <codestr0m> I'll look again
[23:15:02] <tomww> the JDS team stores the sources sometimes manually in theyr "SOURCE" directory
[23:15:22] <codestr0m> I'll look again
[23:15:29] <codestr0m> it's just a pita
[23:15:34] <codestr0m> (sorry to complain)
[23:15:49] <tomww> %use gterminal = gnome-terminal.spec
[23:16:18] <e^ipi> where is the JDS gate, anyways/
[23:16:24] <e^ipi> anyways, it'll be there
[23:16:36] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/
[23:16:49] <tomww> http://tinyurl.com/5aqsyr
[23:17:05] <tomww> there you should see the URL of the used source
[23:17:22] <codestr0m> tomww: yeah I got that from google as well. I'll poke around. thanks
[23:23:55] <sailorvrz> I love the livecd :)
[23:28:34] <e^ipi> okiedokie
[23:30:05] <codestr0m> pkg search -r pkgtool and pkgbuild don't give any results (IPS)..  I'm reading http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/contributing/building Am I missing something obvious.. and yes I apologize for this in advance
[23:31:48] <ocr> now i've read thorugh SA.. is there a way to find the reason a boot crashed in i.e. a logfile or a kernel dump? -- i just liveupgraded from b95 to b97, and now i cannot boot b97 xvm -- however b97 plain works fine
[23:36:43] <ocr> i get a crash -- something about ufs
[23:36:47] <ocr> suggestions?
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[23:38:00] <TomJ> are there any issues caused by usernames longer than 8 chars?  useradd complains but continues to add them, and they can login OK
[23:38:15] <tomww> codestr0m: pkgtool and pkgbuild are not in the IPS repository
[23:38:52] <e^ipi> ocr: see if there's anything in /var/crash
[23:39:15] <tomww> codestr0m: but glynn and others have instructions on theyr blogs how to use pkgtoll/pkgbuild on an IPS system
[23:39:30] <ocr> e^ipi: i checked, nothing there :>
[23:39:40] <tomww> gnome and most of the other packages are still build on non-IPS systems and then iported into IPS repos
[23:39:51] <codestr0m> that's cheating
[23:40:06] <codestr0m> someone should eat their own dogfood as they say
[23:40:21] <tomww> ocr: ufs... depends on what boot stage the system is.
[23:40:55] <e^ipi> codestr0m: i'm relatively certain that that's the only way to build IPS packages at current
[23:41:00] 
[23:41:01] <e^ipi> build sysv packages, convert
[23:41:12] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: pkgbuild can create them directly
[23:41:14] <tomww> well, I think it's a good idea to comt to speed with importing the packages and have the package system evolve and later build the whol systme there (but this is a bit early)
[23:41:23] <tomww> ocr: exaktly :-)
[23:41:28] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: if you use the experimental IPS version, anyway
[23:41:36] <codestr0m> screw that. I'll install portage, make ebuilds and rip stuff apart before I do that
[23:41:37] <tomww> ocr: is ist possible to boot into failsafe-mode?
[23:41:44] <ocr> tomww: is there any way to check the consistency of my ramdisk?
[23:41:48] <tomww> ocr: and then check the boot-archive
[23:42:01] <ocr> tomww: well - i have no problems booting into "regular" snv_97
[23:42:11] <tomww> ocr: sometimes simply rebuilding is the easiest choice
[23:42:13] <ocr> # uname -a
[23:42:14] <ocr> SunOS srv1 5.11 snv_97 i86pc i386 i86pc
[23:42:14] <codestr0m> tomww: the system would evolve faster if it was required to build itself
[23:42:21] <tomww> yes, the other release has its own ramdisk
[23:42:29] <ocr> tomww: SXCE :>
[23:42:39] <e^ipi> codestr0m: there are stubborn people such as myself that use SXCE exclusively
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[23:42:48] <tomww> codestr0m: the package system isn't 100% complete today (but almost)
[23:42:51] <codestr0m> codestr0m: good luck to you
[23:43:13] <tomww> e^ipi: heh :-) +1
[23:43:14] <e^ipi> until such time as SXCE ceases to exist, and i can no longer BFU my way up, i will continue doing this
[23:43:49] <codestr0m> look. I'm not going to hide in what's comfortable.. I'll figure out the current state and help/change what I can to make it better
[23:44:08] <tomww> always welcome!
[23:45:18] <tomww> ocr: does failsafe work for the release which gives the ufs error?
[23:45:23] <codestr0m> I'm going to figure this out. rant about it.. and then make it easier for others in the future
[23:45:37] <ocr> tomww: haven't tried failsafe, 1sec
[23:45:48] <ocr> (need to get into the elom)
[23:46:18] <tomww> ocr: if failsafe works, then you may monut the root-disk (on zfs?) and then rebuild the ramdisk with something like
[23:46:56] <tomww> bootadm -R /rpool/rootfs-here/ update-archive   (well this is update, there are scripts to build it from scratch)
[23:47:26] <ocr> init 6 now
[23:47:51] <e^ipi> didn't someone semi-port IPS to some linux distro or another?
[23:48:27] <oxygene> and then no-one wanted it?
[23:48:32] <tomww> e^ipi: well, these other OSse already have the very best package-system, every one has the best :)
[23:48:40] <codestr0m> e^ipi: no offense to the work in progress which IPS is, but wouldn't that just be dead f** stupid?
[23:49:15] <e^ipi> tomww: there's a best now?
[23:49:20] <tomww> the special case is, that IPS tries to keep old SVR4 packages importable
[23:49:21] <e^ipi> codestr0m: *cough*
[23:49:34] <oxygene> e^ipi: they all agree: it's "ours"
[23:49:41] <ocr> tomww: well booting failsafe now - it detected ROOT/snv_97 on rpool, should i mount?
[23:49:48] <tomww> e^ipi: yes, sure! ask linux specialists and every one know which is the best (sometimes his)
[23:50:02] <tomww> ocr: yes :)
[23:50:19] <e^ipi> i dunno, i'm not a fan of package auto-fetching
[23:50:21] <e^ipi> i don't trust it
[23:50:31] <codestr0m> who in their right mind thinks there's a perfect package manager. it's highly use case dependent
[23:50:37] <e^ipi> just pure combinatorics makes me not trust it
[23:50:38] <ocr> tomww: well, its booted with failsafe too :>
[23:50:48] <tomww> e^ipi: then you must be an enterprise user
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[23:51:22] <tomww> ocr: now look for the mountpoint of the OS-root
[23:51:34] <e^ipi> or i've been using debian long enough to be burned enough times to think it was a bad idea from the beginning
[23:51:41] <codestr0m> wth.. why not trust your distro of choice to do sane QA on the dependency chain
[23:51:41] <ocr> tomww: rpool is mounted om /a/rpool
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[23:52:14] <tomww> e^ipi: you are destroying my illusion :)
[23:52:19] <codestr0m> sure things can vary between what you want and what they provide, but then if you want to customize the whole damn thing. you opt for something like gentoo :P
[23:52:25] <ocr> tomww: rpool/ROOT/snv_97 is on /a, and rpool/ROOT/snv_95 is on /a/.alt.tmp.b-TJ.mnt
[23:52:42] <codestr0m> exact dependencies and nothing else :P
[23:53:01] <tomww> ocr: there should be a /a/rpool/sbin/bootadm  (probably on the ramdisk too, /sbin/bootadm)
[23:53:26] <e^ipi> codestr0m: or you write it yourself; my point is that when you have all the system software distributed as a wad, you know that everything in that wad has been tested with everything else in that wad to some degree
[23:53:34] <oxygene> codestr0m: you can only trust your vendor if the vendor provides everything. if you even just edit the configuration, you're very likely outside the scope of the vendor's QA
[23:53:58] <codestr0m> oxygene: welcome to OSX...
[23:54:00] <e^ipi> when you piecemeal it and have >= dependencies, you never really know if a particular version of x conflicts with a particular version of y because they've never been tested together
[23:54:02] <tomww> codestr0m: customization.....well....most times one fixed flavor and you must know this makes you definetly happy. :-)
[23:54:35] <ocr> tomwww: i found bootadm on the ramdisk
[23:54:56] <tomww> ocr: okay.  try bootadm -R /a/rpool update-archive
[23:55:10] <oxygene> codestr0m: yes? updating mac os x can break the system-provided apache, too, if your config is so outside their expectations that they didn't test for it
[23:55:21] <tomww> if this works, it's worth another try to reboot
[23:56:02] <codestr0m> so far any problem I've had with IPS/os2008 has been avoidable..
[23:56:05] <tomww> ocr: rebuilding might need some time sind there are almost 100MB
[23:56:08] <e^ipi> codestr0m: either way, i used to use debian; then i used gentoo for a bit; both of them contributed to my opinion that network package fetching is a bad idea.
[23:56:35] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you're crazy. gentoo doesn't do any network package fetching
[23:56:35] <ocr> tomww: that gives : bootadm: a command option must be specified
[23:56:39] <e^ipi> for the core system software anyhow
[23:56:47] <codestr0m> I mean it does if you use the binary packages, but that's certainly not the default
[23:56:50] <e^ipi> codestr0m: yes it does, it just fetches tarballs and patches
[23:56:53] <tomww> ocr:  "bootadm -R /a/rpool update-archive"
[23:57:02] <tomww> ocr: does this someting usefull?
[23:57:07] <e^ipi> which occasionally don't compile
[23:57:08] <ocr> (/sbin/bootadm -R /a/rpool update-archive"
[23:57:19] <oxygene> codestr0m: even uncontrolled updates from source can break things. and having portage autoupdate your dependency graph is basically "uncontrolled"
[23:57:22] <tomww> ocr: sorry, put the -R /a/rpool  to the end
[23:57:25] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you're blaming the wrong side.. the dependencies aren't the problem.. the QA on those deps/options is
[23:58:07] <e^ipi> actually a lot of time it was precisely the fetching that was the problem; certain compiler bugs collided with certain package options, etc
[23:58:08] <codestr0m> there's supposed to be high QA of what goes in portage tree, but in the end you still can't really trust it.. and it's not the packaging systems fault
[23:58:13] <oxygene> codestr0m: why is that - because the devs suck? because the tools suck? because that problem is too large for an exhaustive QA?
[23:58:15] <codestr0m> it's more a policy or lack of automated testing
[23:58:19] <e^ipi> and the QA was nigh unreproducable
[23:58:33] <ocr> tomww: bootadm: missing /boot/grub on root: /a/rpool/
[23:59:35] <codestr0m> with a minimal and reasonable amount of my own QA I was able to keep stable production boxes (desktop/server) up for a long time.. and half had to do with my efforts and the other half was using a gentoo profile that was maintained by those who cared and yes were smart enough to make intelligent decisions
[23:59:41] <e^ipi> while I agree that a large portion of the WOS could be spun out and manaaged by fragile package fetch mechanisms, the core system ( ON + X11 + ... ) oughtn't be subjected to such a difficult problem
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[23:59:58] <e^ipi> keep in mind that dependency solving is an NP hard problem.





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