September 10, 2008 
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September 10, 2008 [00:00:14] <SeJo> it shows nothing mounted on /opt [00:00:16] <SeJo> so [00:00:17] <Stric> SeJo: any quota on /opt/test? try 'df -h /opt/test/.' [00:00:35] <SeJo> Filesystem Size Used Available Capacity Mounted on [00:00:35] <SeJo> /dev/dsk/c1d0s0 9.9G 9.5G 243M 98% / [00:00:46] <SeJo> that shouldn't be correct [00:00:54] <SeJo> it should be the zpool right? [00:01:01] <Stric> if that was my command, then you don't have zfs on /opt/test [00:01:07] <Stric> run 'zfs list' [00:01:09] <jeremyz> *nod* [00:02:09] <SeJo> shows main/test to none [00:02:21] <SeJo> bleh [00:02:36] <Stric> zfs set mountpoint=blah bleh/bluh [00:04:11] <SeJo> ok, thx first i will have to unmount the lower level pool [00:05:21] *** dburge has joined #opensolaris [00:05:26] *** __teo__ has joined #opensolaris [00:06:53] <SeJo> how do i unmount? [00:07:05] <SeJo> i cannot seem to do zfs umount main/test/cfg [00:07:13] *** sactodave has quit IRC [00:07:38] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris [00:07:58] <e^ipi> SeJo: no, mountpoint is a property [00:08:01] <e^ipi> of the filesystem [00:08:30] <chrisr> which is the best shell for scripting? [00:10:07] <chrisr> which is the most common unix shell? [00:10:08] <postwait> chrisr: bash is the most popular in general, but ksh has more fans here (in this channel and on Solaris in general) [00:10:09] <e^ipi> well, that's a can of worms... [00:10:12] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [00:10:22] <e^ipi> chrisr: ksh passes standards tests [00:10:52] <chrisr> im just playing with ksh and bash now, they both support $(..) , if, for, and case syntax [00:11:06] <chrisr> whats the biggest difference then? [00:11:15] <norman> you should try zsh too *g* [00:11:17] <e^ipi> and the ksh93 version has a whole lot of builtins ( eg, "cat" doesn't cause a fork()/exec() to run /usr/bin/cat, it just uses the ksh93 function cat() ) [00:11:22] <e^ipi> so it's a lot faster than most other shells [00:11:43] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris [00:11:43] <e^ipi> bash also fails the standards tests pretty badly [00:12:17] <chrisr> why is bash the standard shell for opensolaris then? [00:12:45] <e^ipi> i don't know, why is /usr/gnu/bin at the head of $PATH ? [00:13:05] <e^ipi> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/misfeature.html [00:15:27] *** ___teo___ has quit IRC [00:16:14] <chrisr> what do you think is the average salary of a solaris admin? [00:17:23] *** bondolo has quit IRC [00:17:57] <jeremyz> chrisr: i think i see your angle but unfortunately ... most success stories that I know in tech are of those that got into something that interested them in tech .. then went from there [00:18:31] <SeJo> thx all for the help! fixed [00:18:39] <jeremyz> SeJo: congrats [00:18:54] <chrisr> i was just wondering [00:19:09] <jeremyz> chrisr: maybe try to contribute to a small open soure project like nexenta... or something like that? [00:19:24] <jeremyz> well i mentor guys that work for me so ... just going from experience [00:19:41] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [00:19:53] <jeremyz> i got all my jobs cuz i thought distributed computing and setting up network services was fun ... so while in college thats what i did for fun ;) [00:20:06] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:20:33] *** netj has quit IRC [00:20:46] <e^ipi> chrisr: depends on area. check monster.com or similar for your area to get an idea of what's being offered [00:21:10] <jeremyz> chrisr: consider the qualifications they require too.. [00:21:28] <jeremyz> chrisr: your almost certainly better off getting into something else, to be honest [00:22:06] <jeremyz> chrisr: if you want to go that route, i suggest a near by college - they probably use solaris and are looking for entry level [00:22:13] <chrisr> yeah, like I said I was just wondering, Its not something I'd do [00:22:24] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris [00:22:51] <e^ipi> you can also volenteer at a small charity, and work your way up to a larger charity [00:22:57] <jeremyz> chrisr: if you work for like ... a college it can be pretty paltry compared to corporate .. but far less actual accountability heh [00:23:08] <jeremyz> e^ipi: heh [00:23:18] <jeremyz> unless that wasnt a joke... [00:24:00] <e^ipi> you don't think it's a good place to get a start? [00:24:29] <jeremyz> e^ipi: oh i am unsure... thats one of the few places I havent done much work for. but if you suggest it, Im sure its a good idea [00:24:39] <e^ipi> i know a couple people that've worked their way from adminning their church's website up to an actual job [00:24:39] *** Wez has quit IRC [00:25:16] <jeremyz> yeah sounds right, actually - i went the linux for college homework -> co-op -> job at NCSU (via IRC contact) route myself... many moons ago [00:25:32] <jeremyz> so i can suggest that way too if your still in college [00:26:00] <jeremyz> e^ipi: do much with iscsi? [00:26:43] <e^ipi> nope [00:27:58] *** postwait has quit IRC [00:28:17] *** _Auralis has quit IRC [00:28:38] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [00:29:01] *** bondolo has quit IRC [00:29:32] *** RElling has quit IRC [00:31:08] *** jeremyz has left #opensolaris [00:32:30] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [00:32:50] *** rmesta has quit IRC [00:35:05] *** ___teo___ has joined #opensolaris [00:36:08] *** RavenSlay3r has left #opensolaris [00:36:57] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [00:37:56] *** coffman_ has joined #opensolaris [00:39:28] *** coffman has quit IRC [00:39:31] *** __teo__ has quit IRC [00:40:44] *** ckannan has joined #opensolaris [00:40:53] *** Auriel is now known as Auriel[A] [00:41:51] <ckannan> I'm looking for some automated tests for NIS server. Anyone here knows of a test suite for that ? [00:42:07] *** Auriel[A] is now known as Auriel [00:42:35] *** cypromis has quit IRC [00:46:12] <codestr0m> on evil linux I could simulate packet loss with tc.. is there a comparable tool/way/method of doing that on os2008* [00:47:09] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [00:47:18] <codestr0m> I mean. I know there's probably some nics with buggy drivers, but I'd prefer not to have to install one :P <sarcasm /> [00:48:37] <e^ipi> ipf/pf [00:50:02] *** nivox has quit IRC [00:50:20] <seanmcg> ckannan, haave a look see at the test pages on o.o; http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/testing [00:50:43] <ckannan> seanmcg: I looked there. couldn't find anything related to NIS [00:51:58] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [00:52:59] *** Wez has joined #opensolaris [00:56:32] *** mega has quit IRC [00:57:31] *** dclarke is now known as dclarke_away [00:58:05] *** __teo__ has joined #opensolaris [00:59:19] *** __teo__ has quit IRC [01:02:44] *** coffman_ has quit IRC [01:03:20] *** bubbva has quit IRC [01:05:30] *** chrisr has quit IRC [01:09:04] *** ___teo___ has quit IRC [01:09:57] *** dnm_ has joined #opensolaris [01:11:11] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [01:11:32] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [01:14:14] *** cmihai has quit IRC [01:14:24] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [01:16:25] <sartek> what's the uname -p on amd64 / sparc ? [01:16:34] *** obrlord_ has joined #opensolaris [01:16:37] *** dclarke_away is now known as dclarke [01:17:14] *** dnm has quit IRC [01:17:48] *** obrlord_ has joined #opensolaris [01:18:23] <alanc> sartek: uname -p on amd64 is "i386", on sparc is "sparc" [01:18:42] <benley> uname -p on linux is "unknown" :-P [01:19:01] <sartek> here's athlon (in vbox) [01:19:43] <sartek> alanc: thx, so nowhere *64* ? [01:20:03] <alanc> nope [01:20:11] <bda> isainfo(1) [01:20:15] <alanc> right [01:21:20] <sartek> f*ck missing manual pages [01:21:30] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [01:23:10] *** Macabee has quit IRC [01:23:44] <sartek> in the man of isainfo there's an opteron example: i386: fpu tsc cx8 sep cmov mmx ammx a3dnow a3dnowx fxsr sse sse2 pause [01:26:57] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [01:26:58] *** cmihai has quit IRC [01:27:08] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [01:29:13] *** Odin- has quit IRC [01:32:06] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris [01:34:13] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [01:36:51] *** cmihai` has joined #OpenSolaris [01:37:01] *** cmihai has quit IRC [01:39:07] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [01:39:39] *** Wez has quit IRC [01:42:00] *** fr4g has quit IRC [01:42:12] *** asarch has quit IRC [01:42:12] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [01:43:30] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [01:47:22] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris [01:52:46] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [01:57:47] *** stanchion has joined #opensolaris [01:58:45] <stanchion> howdy... anyone else experience slowness browsing ZFS smb (CIFS) shares from vista? [02:00:36] <jamesd_> stanchion, make sure your wins server settings are working else you have to timeout on those [02:01:47] <stanchion> hmm ok... dont have a WINS server i dont think.. just using workgroup mode here [02:02:16] *** stencoremoi has joined #opensolaris [02:02:39] * stanchion reads [02:02:51] *** ckannan has left #opensolaris [02:04:28] *** Openfree has quit IRC [02:05:34] *** Aria has left #opensolaris [02:05:59] *** Adamant has joined #opensolaris [02:09:50] *** Wez has joined #opensolaris [02:10:02] *** cmihai` has quit IRC [02:19:57] <stanchion> argghhh dont want to switch back to samba lol [02:20:25] <stanchion> maybe it is because my zpool is so damn big and so damn full [02:20:47] *** victori_ has quit IRC [02:22:24] *** radatin has quit IRC [02:23:07] <seanmcg> full being the operative word... [02:23:27] <seanmcg> if a zfs/zpool is near full, then it will be slow. Its a known issue. [02:23:38] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [02:28:03] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris [02:28:49] *** dom has quit IRC [02:29:47] <stanchion> crappy [02:30:06] <stanchion> does liveupdate support zfs bootable volumes yet? [02:30:18] <turtle> yeah [02:30:22] <stanchion> thanks [02:30:23] <e^ipi> yes it does [02:33:04] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC [02:34:38] <lesterc> meh! why is mkisofs complaining about -L I give to the -find switch? [02:34:59] <erast> its from genisoimage package, no? [02:35:08] <erast> let me check [02:35:28] <lesterc> erast: it's from a default sxce install. [02:35:59] <erast> oops wrong channel :-) [02:36:10] <erast> genisoimage is from Ubuntu/Nexenta [02:36:14] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [02:36:38] <lesterc> heh yeah I wouldn't mind genisoimage. :) [02:39:01] <erast> come get it #nexenta :-) [02:40:49] <lesterc> erast: how much has changed since CP1? :) [02:41:30] <erast> we are running Ubuntu Hardy Heron now... :-) [02:41:32] <erast> build 97 [02:41:37] <erast> actually build 98 now [02:43:04] <turtle> what the hell [02:43:09] <turtle> where do they get those stupid names [02:43:22] <erast> from the hell [02:45:29] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris [02:47:33] <seanmcg> build 98 ? [02:47:36] *** asarch has quit IRC [02:53:26] <stanchion> should i cancel my download of 97 then? :) [02:54:11] <seanmcg> norman, build 98 isn't out yet.. [02:54:15] <wonko2> anyone else having problems with blastwave packages and cpio on neveda? (b97 here) [02:54:17] <seanmcg> s/norman/nope/ [02:54:24] *** FurnaceBoy has quit IRC [02:54:35] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [02:54:47] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [02:55:04] <e^ipi> stanchion: is there something in 98 that you really really need? [02:55:14] <stanchion> lol no [02:55:26] <stanchion> my main solaris box has been nv_69 for a looong time [02:55:26] <e^ipi> so then who cares [02:55:34] <stanchion> i just did one of 95 [02:55:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [02:55:45] <stanchion> so i need to get these 'flash' update things [02:56:02] <alanc> build 98 isn't quite built yet [02:57:24] <stanchion> first time i did my own solaris box it was 2x 1TB drives, with UFS mirror + zfs mirror .. hehe non-optimal i suppose but damn it worked well [02:58:22] * stanchion runs fsck over and over [02:58:30] * stanchion recalls when he did solaris at his job running fsck over and over [02:58:34] <stanchion> ;) [03:01:12] *** sah-work has quit IRC [03:01:14] *** ggeecko has quit IRC [03:01:25] *** IvanR_ has joined #opensolaris [03:01:52] *** coffman_ has joined #opensolaris [03:05:19] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [03:10:34] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [03:13:06] *** fr4g has quit IRC [03:13:19] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [03:16:27] <stanchion> anyone know when 2008.11 will be released? november? :-) [03:17:57] *** RElling1 has quit IRC [03:18:26] <alanc> stanchion: approximately, yes [03:19:04] *** coffman has quit IRC [03:19:28] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris [03:22:52] *** fr4g has quit IRC [03:23:04] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [03:23:17] <stanchion> coolness [03:24:17] <stanchion> .. 2008.05 didnt work on my nvidia chipsetted motherboard but probably will on my intel one so i try soon [03:26:36] *** ggeecko has quit IRC [03:27:24] <Gman> alanc: definitely yes :) [03:33:06] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris [03:35:56] *** coffman__ has joined #opensolaris [03:38:19] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [03:40:55] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [03:46:43] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [03:51:22] *** coffman_ has quit IRC [03:52:49] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [03:54:51] *** coffman__ has quit IRC [03:57:15] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [03:58:39] *** Odin- has quit IRC [03:59:44] *** zenbalrog has quit IRC [04:00:13] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [04:02:14] *** coffman_ has joined #opensolaris [04:03:40] <dclarke> the latest rev works wonderfulyl on my NVidia enhanced machine here .. Sun Ultra 20 [04:03:52] <dclarke> I mean .. really really well [04:04:05] <Gnu_Raiz> hows the boot time. [04:04:11] <dclarke> boot time ? [04:04:20] <dclarke> does "woo hoo" work for you ? [04:04:27] <Gnu_Raiz> I know you probably won't boot often but just curious. [04:04:30] <dclarke> it just works real well [04:04:42] <dclarke> no no .. I tested the hell out of it here [04:04:46] <dclarke> booted over and over [04:04:54] <dclarke> was quite snappy [04:04:57] <Gnu_Raiz> I have a quad on an intel p35 with 8gig of ram and boot is slowish. [04:05:05] <dclarke> and he sound .. the sound was beautiful [04:05:16] <dclarke> 8GB of ram .. wow [04:05:43] <e^ipi> eh, that's only like $150 worth of ram [04:05:44] <Gnu_Raiz> some boards support 16, I kind of feel cheated. [04:06:02] <dclarke> 8Gb for $150 ... not likely [04:06:14] <dclarke> I'd upgrade to 2GB DIMMs if that were the case [04:06:19] <Gnu_Raiz> if I went with a 8 core system I might have 32, but what am I going to do with it at home. [04:06:31] <dclarke> Gnu_Raiz: run blender [04:06:57] <Gnu_Raiz> Ok that would be an option. [04:07:19] <Gnu_Raiz> I am still upset I cant find the chipset driver for mei controler. [04:07:48] <Gnu_Raiz> driver utility says I am missing it. but everything works. [04:08:44] <e^ipi> okay maybe closer to 200 [04:08:45] <e^ipi> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=32532&vpn=OCZ2VU8008GK&manufacture=OCZ%20Technology [04:08:46] *** postwait has quit IRC [04:09:01] *** chubs_ has quit IRC [04:09:48] <dclarke> I'm a bit of a nut for real Sun memory in a Sun machine [04:09:53] <jbk> evening [04:10:13] *** gottadoit has quit IRC [04:10:19] [04:11:06] <dclarke> http://www.memoryxsun.com/mxx4211az.html [04:11:16] <dclarke> pad$899.96 [04:11:28] <dclarke> $899.96 for 2 x 2GB [04:12:16] <e^ipi> yeah, well... i'm a sucker for cheap stuff [04:13:34] <Gnu_Raiz> what chips are on the sticks. [04:13:36] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [04:13:39] *** stanchion has quit IRC [04:13:40] <dclarke> oh .. me too [04:13:49] <dclarke> http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mxsun_2018_11016766 [04:14:27] <jbk> now to see if i can get ON to build on indiana [04:15:28] <alanc> there's a known ON Makefile vs. ksh93 bug you need to work around to do that [04:15:46] <jbk> it's more than that [04:15:48] <alanc> http://blogs.sun.com/edp/entry/building_on_on_opensolaris [04:15:59] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [04:16:01] <dclarke> jbk : have you seen Major League with Charlie Sheen ? remember the idol in the dressing room? JoeBuu it was called .. well .. get one of those first [04:16:05] <e^ipi> i just stubbornly keep using SXCE [04:16:20] <jbk> dclarke: :) [04:16:27] <jbk> well my laptop os sxce [04:16:30] <jbk> my desktop is indiana [04:16:57] *** twisted` has quit IRC [04:18:09] <jbk> hmm it would appear those needed packages are not in the pkg.os.o repo [04:18:32] <dclarke> jbk : what packages ? [04:18:44] <jbk> some ones needed to build ON [04:18:46] <Gman> jbk: that's the point [04:18:51] <Gman> they're non-redistributable [04:18:54] *** coffman has quit IRC [04:18:57] <dclarke> oooh .. yeah [04:18:59] <dclarke> duh [04:19:14] <dclarke> but they are freely available .. [04:19:21] <jbk> Gman: i'm hoping i don't have to point out the the absurdity of the situation :) [04:19:34] <Gman> oh, totally [04:19:38] * Gman quite well aware of it [04:19:40] <dclarke> oh .. is Sun Studio 12 supposedly free redistributable ? probably not .. so GCC is a better bet for a compiler too most likely [04:19:57] <jbk> dclarke: it's not that, it's some wbem stuff [04:20:10] <alanc> the studio express in the os.o repo is, studio 12 has some bits that I think still aren't redistributable [04:20:13] <dclarke> jbk : go get JoeBuu and get him some rum [04:20:17] <jbk> (which does or did anyone actually use any of that) [04:20:22] <jbk> ? [04:20:44] <dclarke> jbk : you will need to see Major League .. [04:21:13] <alanc> edp's blog gives SWAN paths, but an SXCE image will have them too [04:21:22] <jbk> the ? was to my question about anyone using or ever used the wbem stuff [04:21:29] <jbk> i've seen the movie, i know what you're talking about :) [04:21:30] <dclarke> oh [04:22:04] <jbk> alanc: yeah, just a question of which build to download [04:22:40] <Gman> maybe it would be useful to host those packages somewhere on sun.com and sync them with the latest opensolaris (indiana) releases [04:22:50] <jbk> might just wait for IPS to get to b97 and let everything be in sync [04:23:04] <jbk> it'd be good if the info was posted somewhere other than just a blog entry :) [04:23:12] <jbk> perhaps under one of the ON pages [04:23:30] <dclarke> okay .. let me ask a hardware question because e^ipi ( John ) has me thinking .. if a machine takes 1GB DDR400/PC3200 ECC DIMMs ( 4 of them ) and also accepts 2GB DDR266/PC2100 ECC DIMM then why would the 2GB DIMMs be PC2100 and not PC2700 or PC3100 ?? [04:24:16] <Gman> jbk: i'll mirror the information on os/project/indiana/ at least [04:24:36] *** coffman__ has joined #opensolaris [04:24:46] <Gnu_Raiz> might not be tested for he higher speed. [04:25:05] <Gnu_Raiz> doesn't mean it won't work. [04:25:46] *** coffman__ has quit IRC [04:26:00] <dclarke> okay [04:26:24] *** dom has joined #opensolaris [04:30:36] *** jv5181 has joined #opensolaris [04:32:01] <dclarke> I swear to God that Sun patches baffle the hell out of me .. how the hell is a patch a Security path and also not a Recommended patch at the same time . .can someone riddle that for me ? [04:32:15] <dclarke> see 122213-27 GNOME 2.6.0_x86: GNOME Desktop Patch [04:33:21] <dclarke> Keywords: security gnome nautilus libs a11y gdm themes session gnome-panel editor gimp [04:33:53] <dclarke> this is nice .. ick : 6206744 nautilus will hang when system tries to access some nfs directory [04:36:32] <Gman> jbk: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/building_on/ [04:36:46] <Gnu_Raiz> they must be taken queues from microsoft. [04:37:53] <jbk> shouldn't just copying /usr/has/bin/sh /sbin/sh be sufficient for the first part? [04:38:03] <dclarke> Gnu_Raiz: no no .. it is just confusing to me that a patch is tagged Recommended at some times and generally all security patches are .. btu some are security and NOT recommended [04:38:34] <Gnu_Raiz> yeah kind of confusing I get what you mean. [04:38:47] <Gman> jbk: hrm, i guess so [04:40:47] <jbk> just thinking that might be simpler [04:40:52] <jbk> at least for that part [04:41:33] *** coffman_ has quit IRC [04:42:21] <Gman> jbk: definitely [04:42:30] <Gman> updated now [04:43:11] <jbk> cool.. 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[05:27:56] *** fr4g has quit IRC [05:34:12] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris [05:35:52] *** jfisc has quit IRC [05:36:42] * RavenSlay3r SunStudio iz mi S1ickEdit, kthxbi! [05:37:48] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [05:37:51] *** jwit has quit IRC [05:39:25] *** asarch has quit IRC [05:42:09] *** neoxed has quit IRC [05:44:44] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [05:55:05] <lkthomas> hmm [05:55:09] <lkthomas> seems sun ray support windows as well [05:55:11] <lkthomas> interesting [05:56:38] <e^ipi> yes, through terminal services [05:56:43] <e^ipi> SSGD does as well [05:57:17] <lkthomas> what is ssgd stand for ? [05:57:28] <_mary_kate_> sun secure global desktop [05:58:02] <lkthomas> you just saying, terminal services, does it means I will need to use windows server on server side ? [05:58:33] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [05:59:37] <e^ipi> lkthomas: you will need a windows terminal server in addition to your sun ray server [05:59:50] <e^ipi> you can also use xen and run a windows server in there [05:59:54] <lkthomas> so no sun server is involved on server side [05:59:55] <lkthomas> hmm [05:59:58] <lkthomas> I know, but.. [06:00:02] <lkthomas> Windows sucks :P [06:00:06] <e^ipi> yes, a sun server is involved on the server side [06:00:10] <e^ipi> as well as a windows server [06:00:13] <lkthomas> hmm [06:00:21] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: how could sun ray support windows without a windows server? [06:00:26] <e^ipi> if windows sucks then who cares [06:00:32] <lkthomas> hehe :) [06:00:38] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, I don't know ? :) [06:00:44] <e^ipi> when i was playing with SSGD i had win2k8 in an xvm domain [06:00:46] <e^ipi> worked okay [06:01:00] <e^ipi> mostly just wannted to see how to set it up [06:01:02] <lkthomas> what is that sun server processing power ? [06:01:19] <e^ipi> dual core athlon with 8GB ram [06:01:42] <lkthomas> does terminal services run similar concept as Xen or ? [06:02:05] <_mary_kate_> no, Xen is a virtual machine, terminal services provides remote login [06:02:17] *** stencoremoi has quit IRC [06:02:17] <lkthomas> hmm [06:02:19] <e^ipi> they are two entirely different technologies [06:02:24] <lkthomas> I see [06:02:53] <lkthomas> e^ipi, I really wondering how many user could be login the same time with that dual core athlon sun server ? :) [06:03:19] <e^ipi> i dunno , a handful [06:03:28] <lkthomas> hmm [06:03:48] <e^ipi> i have no idea how many users can typically be logged in to terminal services but i don't think it's that heavy [06:04:09] <lkthomas> hmm [06:04:17] <lkthomas> I never try it before [06:04:24] <lkthomas> but seems headache to setup this massive system [06:04:59] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [06:05:23] <e^ipi> not really [06:05:36] <e^ipi> took me a couple hours [06:05:42] <lkthomas> heh [06:05:47] <lkthomas> you seems good at windows ? [06:06:00] <lkthomas> seriously, I never use windows server since windows 2000 [06:06:33] <_mary_kate_> why do you think it's a 'massive system' and why would it be difficult to set up? [06:06:49] <lkthomas> hmm [06:07:02] <lkthomas> you have to setup solaris, then Xen, then windows [06:07:06] <lkthomas> then terminal service [06:07:10] <lkthomas> which I know nothing about :) [06:07:19] <lkthomas> and then, try if client could connect [06:07:22] <_spike> hmmm [06:07:32] <_mary_kate_> or you could just buy a computer and install windows on it [06:07:39] <_spike> ipi, i'm pretty sure that my mailing to the zfs-discussion list never got approved...who manages that? [06:07:50] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, yeah, haha [06:07:52] <RavenSlay3r> _mary_kate_: that would be a waste of a good computer [06:07:57] <lkthomas> LOL [06:08:09] <_mary_kate_> RavenSlay3r: let's avoid pointless OS-bashing in here [06:08:19] <RavenSlay3r> sorry [06:08:22] <lkthomas> hehe [06:08:26] * RavenSlay3r ducks back into cubicle [06:08:35] <lkthomas> hehe [06:08:35] <e^ipi> lkthomas: "set up xen" is as difficult as "press your arrow key down when presented with the grub menu" [06:08:38] <e^ipi> tada. [06:08:57] <lkthomas> e^ipi, are you using some kind of tools ? [06:09:03] <lkthomas> I mean, GUI tools to setup ? [06:09:15] <e^ipi> i avoid gui tools wherever possible [06:09:19] <lkthomas> haha [06:09:22] <e^ipi> virt-install(1) [06:09:24] <lkthomas> so you write your xen config file then [06:09:29] <lkthomas> OH [06:09:31] <lkthomas> that would work [06:09:31] <lkthomas> yes [06:09:32] <e^ipi> no, you use virt-install [06:09:34] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [06:09:41] <lkthomas> I see [06:09:41] <e^ipi> then you click through the windows stuff [06:09:54] <e^ipi> if you've got a server version, one of the postinstall options is "enable terminal services" [06:10:12] <lkthomas> you mean on windows server setup process ? [06:10:13] <e^ipi> then you install SSGD or sunray, and read the docs on how to connect to a windows server [06:10:17] <e^ipi> it's pretty trivial [06:10:20] <lkthomas> hmm [06:10:33] <lkthomas> actually, I don't know why you feel windows is running fine on dual core athlon [06:10:41] <e^ipi> because it did? [06:10:47] <e^ipi> in virtualization even [06:10:55] <lkthomas> I was testing windows xp running on core2duo, it slow as hell [06:11:14] <e^ipi> no it wasn't... [06:11:31] <e^ipi> you can dislike windows, that's fine i never use it either [06:11:37] <lkthomas> HAHA [06:11:39] <e^ipi> lying about it is just silly though [06:11:48] <lkthomas> maybe I should test it on our 1U Xeon server [06:11:59] <e^ipi> my windows experience in the last 10 years is "setup terminal services so that i can play with SSGD" [06:12:07] <lkthomas> HAHA right [06:12:10] <lkthomas> do you use mac on your desktop ? [06:12:17] <e^ipi> no, my laptop's a mac though [06:12:23] <lkthomas> same here [06:12:27] <lkthomas> so damn stable, haha [06:12:39] <e^ipi> i used linux for a bunch of years, migrated to freebsd for a year or two, and then came here [06:12:52] <e^ipi> i wouldn't call OSX "stable" by any means [06:13:02] <e^ipi> but it does the job relatively well and it's a good UI [06:13:09] <lkthomas> well [06:13:14] <lkthomas> if it compare with others [06:13:18] <lkthomas> it works ok [06:13:23] <lkthomas> I got couple of panic before [06:13:29] <lkthomas> but, mac just fine for workstation :) [06:13:46] <Gman> e^ipi: it's decidedly unstable over the last couple of point releases... [06:14:00] <e^ipi> Gman: yeah, i noticed that too [06:14:13] <lkthomas> did you guys notice about snow leopard ? [06:14:14] <e^ipi> mail.app refuses to ever close cleanly for me [06:14:16] * Gman totally pissed by their stance on the 6800 GT nvidia overheating issue [06:14:34] * Gman gets graphics corruptions all the freaking time while scrolling [06:14:43] <lkthomas> haha [06:14:46] <lkthomas> man, that sucks [06:15:07] <lkthomas> I think macbook is the most stable one [06:15:16] <lkthomas> compare with macbook pro and mac pro which got 3D card on it [06:15:38] <e^ipi> Gman: i think that might be quartz [06:15:43] <Gman> right [06:15:49] <Gman> quartz seems to enable it [06:15:52] <e^ipi> i get jaggy bits when i switch between windows [06:15:57] <e^ipi> sometimes [06:16:18] <e^ipi> like, square character and what have you [06:16:27] <Gman> i get serious corruption when 2 finger scrolling [06:17:12] <e^ipi> I really kinna want one of those $100 MIPS-based netbooks that some chinese firm is bringing to market in october [06:17:32] <_spike> Anybody here really familiar with zfs? [06:17:41] <e^ipi> _spike: heh... [06:17:42] <_spike> i'm having an issue that is undocumented so far, i've googled crazily [06:17:58] <Gman> e^ipi: similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDv-TQx4MV0 [06:18:29] <e^ipi> Gman: oh, trippy [06:18:36] <Gman> e^ipi: http://apcmag.com/apples_latest_notebooks_plagued_with_graphics_glitches.htm [06:18:49] <Gman> irritating as hell [06:18:52] *** w0lfie has quit IRC [06:19:03] <e^ipi> i don't get that, my jagged bits are ~ 1/4 the size of a monaco charater in terminal.app, and everywhere on that window [06:19:37] <e^ipi> and fairly infrequently [06:19:58] *** gm152 has quit IRC [06:20:35] <_spike> hehehe [06:20:38] <_spike> i need some help here [06:20:52] <_spike> i dunno what todo but i can't wait forever for a response on the discussion list, machine has been offline for days now [06:20:56] <e^ipi> _spike: you didn't ask a question [06:21:21] <_spike> eh, okay sec. [06:24:41] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [06:25:58] *** RavenSlay3r has quit IRC [06:26:07] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [06:27:18] *** Wez has quit IRC [06:28:12] <_spike> http://pastebin.ca/1197535 [06:28:14] <_spike> sorry for delay [06:28:15] <_spike> had to find it [06:28:15] <_spike> heh [06:28:25] <_spike> you alreayd tried help me though but didn't have any other ideas [06:28:32] <_spike> i gotta find someone who's really good with zfs [06:28:39] <_spike> and by good i meant familiar [06:29:20] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris [06:36:03] *** postwait has quit IRC [06:36:05] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [06:36:59] *** lesterc has quit IRC [06:37:46] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris [06:38:31] <RavenSlay3r> e^ipi: SXCE just locked up on me :( - had to do a hard-shutdown/full-powercycle [06:41:47] <RavenSlay3r> /away [06:42:17] *** RavenSlay3r has quit IRC [06:56:12] *** yongsun has quit IRC [06:58:26] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [07:00:17] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [07:00:27] <e^ipi> _spike: like i already mentioned to you, if nobody on the list has a solution, file a bug/rfe [07:00:56] *** cypromis has quit IRC [07:03:18] *** jwk404 has quit IRC [07:06:02] <_spike> i just filed a bug [07:06:05] <_spike> we'll see how it works [07:06:05] <_spike> heh [07:06:07] <_spike> never done this before [07:06:14] *** holcomb has quit IRC [07:07:29] *** holcomb has joined #opensolaris [07:10:02] <e^ipi> ping me with a bugid when bonnie sends you one [07:11:26] <e^ipi> probably not a lot i can do about it, but *shrug* [07:12:25] <_spike> hehe thanks [07:12:27] <_spike> will do [07:12:30] <_spike> catch ya later. [07:12:47] <_spike> i also emailed it to the zfs discussion list, but never got word back if the moderator approved it or not [07:12:51] <_spike> was like 30-35 hours ago too [07:15:38] <e^ipi> i usually just use jive when i have a one-off question for a list [07:15:52] <e^ipi> a couple lists i'm subscribed to ( instant mod. approval ) [07:17:39] <_spike> jive eh? not really sure what that is. [07:17:50] <e^ipi> oh, web interface [07:17:59] <_spike> oh [07:18:11] <_spike> i've actually never posted to a mailing list before [07:18:12] <_spike> so i was kinda lost [07:18:12] <_spike> heh [07:18:25] <_spike> it shot me a message back though and told me it was sent to the moderator for approval [07:20:17] <_spike> cool, just posted a msg through the opensolaris jive forums as well. [07:21:39] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [07:21:43] <_spike> and yup it went right out to the list, no mod approval [07:24:40] *** Ma1 has joined #opensolaris [07:25:44] <e^ipi> yep :) [07:27:02] *** postwait_ has quit IRC [07:28:27] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [07:31:27] *** thezerox has quit IRC [07:34:17] <_spike> So when i was doing a fresh installation of sxce97, i formatted one of my drives differnetly (but only the first 150GB of 650GB, the last 500GB should've been untouched) [07:34:34] <_spike> in that 500GB portion was part of a zfs pool that i actually needed, how can i recover it? [07:53:21] <lkthomas> I try to google around, but I can't find if ZFS support extended permission attribute ? [07:55:28] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: what is extended permission attribute? [07:55:49] *** anathematic has quit IRC [07:56:10] <lkthomas> I mean extended ACL [07:56:16] <_mary_kate_> extended in what way? [07:56:21] <_mary_kate_> ZFS uses NFSv4 ACLs [07:56:34] <lkthomas> normally unix just got three type of premission [07:56:46] <lkthomas> I don't know how to explain that, hmm [07:56:54] <_mary_kate_> i think you just mean ACLs [07:56:57] <lkthomas> hmm [07:56:58] <rorx> yeah, he means ACL [07:57:00] <_mary_kate_> and yes, zfs support ACLs (NFSv4 ACLs) [07:57:10] <lkthomas> hmm [07:57:14] <_mary_kate_> (which are very similar to Windows NT ACLs) [07:57:49] <rorx> _mary_kate_: how do they differ from UFS ACLs? [07:58:08] <lkthomas> hmm, if I config ACL, does it works with cifs as well ? [07:58:22] <_mary_kate_> rorx: UFS uses POSIX draft ACLs... NFSv4 ACLs are more flexible (you can specify more than just rwx), and less confusing (there's no 'mask') [07:58:48] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: yes. in fact, the in-kernel CIFS server _only_ uses ACLs, not Unix permissions [07:59:00] <_mary_kate_> (which is why files are created with mode 0, ---------) [07:59:12] <lkthomas> if I am not using in-kernel cifs server ? [07:59:17] <lkthomas> does it use acl as well ? [07:59:20] <_mary_kate_> then it depends which CIFS server you use [07:59:24] <lkthomas> samba [07:59:26] <rorx> didn't know there was a built in cifs server. [07:59:30] <_mary_kate_> no idea about that, i don't use samba [07:59:39] <lkthomas> hmm [08:02:16] <lkthomas> Solaris 10 Update 4 ships with Samba 3.0.25a, complete with support for ZFS ACLs, Active Directory, and SMF integration. [08:02:16] <lkthomas> Support for ZFS ACLs was slated to be included in version 3.0.26 the source releases of Samba but the release ended up being a security fix release. The next major Samba release will be 3.2.0 which will include integration of ZFS ACLs. [08:02:27] <lkthomas> I don't get it, how does solaris ship with samba ? [08:02:35] <lkthomas> released by sun ? [08:02:54] <_mary_kate_> when you install solaris, it includes samba [08:02:56] <_spike> cifsd its called [08:02:59] <_spike> not samba [08:03:02] <lkthomas> hmm [08:03:04] <_spike> it's by sun actually [08:03:08] <lkthomas> you mean the built-in one ? [08:03:13] <_spike> should perform alot better than samba [08:03:14] <_spike> yeah [08:03:26] <lkthomas> but it does not support detail config [08:03:33] <_mary_kate_> what is detail config? [08:03:49] <lkthomas> it's simple actually, maybe that just me don't know how to config it [08:03:52] <lkthomas> let me pastebin it [08:04:32] <lkthomas> http://www.pastebin.ca/1198921 [08:06:15] <lkthomas> how should I config it on built-in cifs server ? [08:06:35] <_mary_kate_> there's a manual somewhere on opensolaris.org that describes how to configure it [08:06:45] <lkthomas> searching , wait [08:06:53] <lkthomas> what keyword should I search ? [08:15:44] <rorx> cifsd, it sounds like. [08:16:42] <lkthomas> thx guys [08:21:58] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [08:22:16] <charlie_lab> hi folks, i noticed that the sxce97 edition does not seem to use file system compression, as i think the standard openSolaris release does ? is there a way to enable it for sxce97 (or is that not advised, perhaps) ? [08:22:39] <e^ipi> neither do [08:22:55] <e^ipi> if you install SXCE, you have 5 menu options after boot [08:23:24] <e^ipi> #1 is the new installer for which my opinion ought to be well known, 3 and 4 are "text install" [08:23:31] <e^ipi> you have console and desktop [08:23:33] <e^ipi> chose desktop [08:24:02] <e^ipi> when you go to install have a terminal window open, and when you see it doing it's "creating DUMP filesystem" bit, toggle compression on rpool [08:24:18] <charlie_lab> ah ... i guess i mistook what i was seeing in the standard realease ... when i opened the disk usage applet, it showed a 1000gig drive (whereas the drive is actually 160gig) ... i'd assumed that was due to some sort of compression in zfs :/ [08:24:19] <e^ipi> the how of that is documented in the zfs(1M) man page [08:25:24] <charlie_lab> ah, thak you very much e^ipi [08:25:24] <charlie_lab> <thank> [08:25:29] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [08:26:35] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [08:28:32] *** cypromis has quit IRC [08:29:20] *** spiki has quit IRC [08:33:18] *** mikl_ has joined #opensolaris [08:35:39] *** Rotarye has quit IRC [08:35:55] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris [08:41:23] *** amaliel has quit IRC [08:47:49] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:48:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:57:01] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [09:04:14] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [09:06:23] *** lkthomas has quit IRC [09:11:42] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [09:16:17] *** div9 has joined #opensolaris [09:17:56] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:23:30] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [09:29:13] *** noyb has quit IRC [09:29:40] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [09:30:07] *** div8 has quit IRC [09:32:24] *** hajma__ has joined #opensolaris [09:33:48] *** thana has quit IRC [09:38:15] *** mikl_ has quit IRC [09:38:44] *** snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:43:32] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [09:43:45] *** mikl_ has joined #opensolaris [09:44:25] *** _PRESSY has joined #opensolaris [09:46:57] *** twisti_work is now known as twisti [09:50:14] *** c00p has quit IRC [09:50:30] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [10:05:21] *** div9 is now known as div8 [10:07:57] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [10:20:28] *** virkang has joined #opensolaris [10:23:00] *** virkang has left #opensolaris [10:24:45] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [10:25:04] *** insomnia has quit IRC [10:27:00] *** cmihai has quit IRC [10:27:13] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [10:28:23] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:33:29] *** flight16 has joined #opensolaris [10:33:35] <flight16> howdy [10:34:36] <charlie_lab> um, how would i tell which name service to choose during install ? (nis+, nis, dns, ldap, none) [10:34:43] <charlie_lab> hi flight16 [10:34:59] <trygvis> dns [10:35:07] <Stric> charlie_lab: if you don't know that you have nis/nis+/ldap then you should use dns [10:35:11] <flight16> hi. I didn't realize zfs had a nice webadmin interface [10:35:30] <charlie_lab> trygvis, Stric: thank you [10:36:16] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:36:26] <cmihai> flight16: the cake is a lie. [10:36:36] <flight16> what? It really sucks? [10:37:10] <cmihai> Sure does. [10:37:17] <cmihai> And isn't available in Indiana. [10:37:26] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [10:37:46] <cmihai> And the Java webconsole (and appserver underneath) use quite a lot of memory. [10:38:00] <flight16> I don't care about memory. I just want it to be easy to use. [10:38:08] <cmihai> Just use zfs commands. [10:38:19] * flight16 looking at nextenastor aah.. too bad it's commercial... [10:38:19] <flight16> http://www.nexenta.com/corp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=76 [10:38:21] <cmihai> I managed to nuke a whole ZFS datastore due to a bug in that webconsole... [10:38:32] <flight16> cmihai, could you recover? [10:38:36] <cmihai> Or the browser cache / refresh, not sure. [10:38:40] <cmihai> Recover what? :-). [10:38:43] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:38:44] <cmihai> Nuked. [10:38:48] <flight16> nuked = ? [10:38:54] <flight16> Is that a technical term for zfs [10:39:18] <cmihai> Deleted a filesystem - somehow the cache fuckedup and it nuked the whole zfs pool. [10:39:24] <cmihai> Nuked == bye bye data. [10:39:41] <flight16> cmihai, I am coming to zfs because I just lost a HDD and nearly 10 years worth of data. [10:39:52] <flight16> This is making me think maybe OS X's simple drag and drop software raid is a better choice :-/ [10:40:17] <cmihai> And using a flaky Jaba webconsole isn't the way. Just learn the commands. [10:40:48] <flight16> I was hoping that a GUI would reduce user errors (ie. me screwing up) [10:41:06] <cmihai> zpool create, zpool list, zpool destroy, zfs list, scrub, status, iostat, etc. Quite simple. [10:41:14] <cmihai> No, knowing what you're about to do reduces user errors :-) [10:41:22] <flight16> heh [10:41:31] <cmihai> Seriously, zfs is dead easy. [10:41:44] <benley> except when stuff doesn't work :-/ [10:41:45] <flight16> I did watch the screencasts and was very very impressed. [10:41:58] <flight16> I had a hard time understanding fsck many years back. I picked up on zfs right away [10:42:08] <flight16> benley, exactly. That's why I'm worried about zfs. [10:42:22] <benley> flight16: don't worry about it eating your data, that's one thing it does right. [10:42:23] <flight16> Just because it's non-traditional and it's completely new to me [10:42:36] <flight16> benley, I'm worried about me misconfiguring something when a drive dies. [10:42:37] <benley> flight16: the stuff I've run into trouble with are still experimental [10:42:49] <flight16> Running a wrong command and tearing the pool apart instead of the command to remove the disk from the pool or something [10:43:05] <benley> flight16: ah, zfs is actually harder to fuck up in degraded pool situations than a lot of other volume managers I've seen [10:43:08] <benley> (for instance ... svm) [10:43:22] <flight16> benley, really? That's nice... [10:43:46] <flight16> Well.. this is for personal use. So my alternative wouldn't be something as fancy as zfs.. and more like HFS+ on my macmini. [10:43:47] <benley> svm seems extremely willing to let you stab yourself in the face [10:43:50] <flight16> and DiskUtil.app [10:44:02] <benley> you could use zfs on your mac mini if you're feeling a little adventurous [10:44:44] <flight16> benley, I looked at the bug report and it seems like they still haven't implemented some basic things. [10:45:31] <flight16> They're saying it will be included in Snow Leopard (they said the same thing about Leopard). So I'm thinking of running it via VM. I know that would be slightly slower, but it would be official ZFS form Sun rather than experimental OS X zfs [10:45:58] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [10:47:03] <benley> that sounds suboptimal somehow [10:48:41] <flight16> but if you look at it from the point of view of a person who is new to opensolaris, wants to spend minimal time after work maintaining this, and doesn't have room for more real hardware... [10:50:18] <benley> ... get a mac, just use hfs+ for now [10:51:11] <flight16> I have that now. 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[11:30:15] <gb__> or will i face issues [11:30:37] <e^ipi> google://solaris+pppoe [11:30:38] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [11:30:50] <e^ipi> Results 1 - 10 of about 235,000 for solaris pppoe. (0.25 seconds) [11:30:51] *** Ma1 has quit IRC [11:31:04] <gb__> anyone plz? [11:31:10] <e^ipi> i just answered you [11:32:00] *** gb__ has quit IRC [11:33:50] *** RElling has quit IRC [11:37:27] *** noyb has quit IRC [11:37:53] *** sartek has quit IRC [11:37:57] *** gman_224 has joined #opensolaris [11:38:00] <gman_224> hi all [11:38:08] <gman_224> anyone here running adsl? 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[13:36:00] *** Auriel has quit IRC [13:37:25] *** c00p has quit IRC [13:42:26] <asyd> phimic: no [13:45:51] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [13:46:05] <phimic> asyd: can you speak german? [13:46:11] <asyd> definitively no :) [13:46:27] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [13:46:38] <phimic> asyd: http://www.heise.de/open/Sun-schnuert-sein-Virtualisierungspaket-xVM--/news/meldung/115689 says it is opensource for non-commercial use [13:46:46] <asyd> ah [13:46:57] <asyd> xvm server or xvm ops center? [13:47:43] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris [13:48:52] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [13:49:26] <phimic> asyd: both [13:50:58] <asyd> ah [13:51:02] <asyd> I'm surprise for ops center [13:51:31] <phimic> asyd: i not sure if this article is correct [13:51:41] <asyd> anyway I can't find some people from sun france (i'm french) who can *exactly* tell me the price/avaibility of ops [13:51:50] <h3sp4wn> there is a tarball - http://dlc.sun.com/xvms/xvmserver_src_EA.tgz [13:55:36] *** Adamant has quit IRC [13:56:18] *** Adamant has joined #opensolaris [13:57:09] *** c00p has quit IRC [13:59:43] *** sergiusens has quit IRC [14:01:26] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:01:37] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [14:02:15] <Okona> asyd, the heise article says the sources for xvm server and xvm ops center are under gpl 3 [14:04:19] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [14:04:45] *** yarihm has quit IRC [14:06:04] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris [14:08:24] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [14:12:01] <asyd> Okona: strange [14:12:07] <asyd> very nice if true [14:14:00] <Okona> asyd at least it is what heise writes, it somehow contradicts that it is only free for non commercial use, which is written two sentences earlier... [14:14:10] <asyd> :) [14:14:16] <TomJ> what's the mdb -k command to detali the Kernel memory usage? [14:14:28] <TomJ> I have an app server with: Kernel 538089 2101 26% but it's not using ZFS [14:14:35] <_mary_kate_> ::kmastat [14:14:38] <TomJ> other similar servers are using about 700mb Kernel, which is what I'd expect [14:14:39] <Okona> .o(I stopped reading heise) [14:14:39] <TomJ> thanks mary [14:17:05] *** Adamant has quit IRC [14:18:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC [14:19:20] *** asarch has quit IRC [14:30:44] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [14:33:23] <codestr0m> *grumbles* about people (including myself) knowing how to write platform independent code.. "structure has no member named `sun_len'" [14:33:30] <codestr0m> *not knowing* [14:36:15] *** kokoko1 has joined #opensolaris [14:37:02] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [14:37:31] *** rootard has joined #opensolaris [14:41:06] *** obrlord_ has quit IRC [14:44:02] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris [14:44:29] *** kelvinq has joined #opensolaris [14:45:56] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [14:48:12] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [14:49:03] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [14:54:06] *** cypromis has quit IRC [14:54:42] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [14:59:42] *** cmihai has quit IRC [15:00:48] <codestr0m> I need to find a good porting guide.. I'm not sure if this is correct [15:00:48] <codestr0m> #if !defined(__linux__) && !defined(__solaris__) [15:00:48] <codestr0m> 415 ifsun.sun_len = strlen(cmd_sock); [15:01:46] <_mary_kate_> defined(__sun) && defined(__svr4__) [15:02:01] *** kokoko1 has quit IRC [15:02:10] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [15:03:57] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: thanks a lot. can you recommend a guide [15:04:02] <codestr0m> (or book) [15:04:20] <_mary_kate_> no [15:09:17] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [15:10:27] <div8> codestr0m, I can recommend the following books: http://www.kohala.com/start/, http://usp.cs.utsa.edu/usp/; for solaris only: http://www.amazon.com/Solaris-Internals-TM-OpenSolaris-Architecture/dp/0131482092 [15:10:52] <codestr0m> div8: thanks a lot! 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No output written to rtpproxy http://rafb.net/p/3EWIDZ19.html [15:31:31] *** rmesta has joined #opensolaris [15:31:33] *** wonko2_ has quit IRC [15:31:58] *** ggeecko has quit IRC [15:33:06] *** chendy has quit IRC [15:33:54] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [15:34:01] <div8> did you include socket dependent headers? [15:34:15] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: -lsocket -lnsl [15:34:25] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [15:34:45] <div8> or this way :) [15:36:47] <codestr0m> thanks.. I'll define the headers. then I don't have to change any autocrap stuff [15:39:08] *** rand7 has quit IRC [15:40:31] *** snake007uk has left #opensolaris [15:41:15] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb [15:41:50] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [15:42:39] *** c00p has quit IRC [15:45:04] *** chonan_ has quit IRC [15:45:11] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:46:59] *** chonan has quit IRC [15:47:06] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:48:19] *** gman_224 has joined #opensolaris [15:48:26] <gman_224> hello [15:49:29] <gman_224> anyone here? [15:49:36] *** chonan has quit IRC [15:49:42] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:49:57] <sletz> a question : is it possible to install a triple boot: OpenSolaris, Linux, Windows? [15:50:14] *** chonan has quit IRC [15:50:20] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:51:23] <seanmcg> sletz, yes [15:51:37] <gman_224> seanmcg: 1 more query sir [15:51:45] <gman_224> does opensolaris support pppoe [15:51:56] <gman_224> i just got its cd, planning to install it [15:52:20] <sickness> gman_224: should support it, google for solaris+pppoe [15:52:43] <seanmcg> ya, what sickness said [15:53:00] <gman_224> sickness: i did google, and i did find some notes on sun site [15:53:20] <gman_224> but wanted to confirm , cause i had bad experince with pcbsd [15:53:25] <sickness> I think that once rppppoe was used, but now the standard pppd should support pppoe by default [15:53:34] <sickness> isn't pcbsd just freebsd? [15:53:41] <gman_224> kinda [15:53:57] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [15:53:58] <gman_224> i had issues setting up pppoe on it [15:54:01] <sickness> anyway, if you expect easy configuration, it will surely not be in that way =) [15:54:22] <gman_224> sickness: if i wanted easy would have stuck to winblows :) [15:54:26] *** alhazred777 has joined #opensolaris [15:54:43] <sickness> gman_224: it depends on what's easy for you, to me openbsd is easy, for example ;) [15:54:47] <gman_224> i want securty and flexibilty [15:54:49] <sickness> (showertime bbl) [15:54:56] <gman_224> sickness: tc thanks again [15:55:33] *** gman_224 has quit IRC [15:56:22] *** alhazred777 has quit IRC [15:57:11] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [15:57:53] <turtle> if you can't figure out pcbsd i don't hold out much hope for you on opensolaris. [16:00:33] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [16:09:18] *** simonleinen has quit IRC [16:11:01] <sletz> seanmcg: with grub? [16:13:04] *** victori_ has quit IRC [16:13:34] <seanmcg> sletz, aye. Just put solaris on last since it's grub has bits that linux's doesn't. [16:14:10] <sletz> seanmcg: so windows linux solaris yes? [16:15:14] <seanmcg> sounds good. [16:16:29] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [16:17:23] <seanmcg> some docs on it: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/reviews/Dual_Boot_Install_Doc_Plan/Dual-Booting-OpenSolaris-with-Ubuntu-Linux/Installing-OpenSolaris-on-New-Linux-Partition/ [16:18:12] <seanmcg> there may be a bit of manual editing of the partitions with opensolaris [16:18:42] <sletz> seanmcg: ok thanks [16:19:31] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [16:22:19] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [16:25:10] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [16:29:23] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [16:31:20] *** Odin- has quit IRC [16:33:59] *** spiki has quit IRC [16:34:05] *** netj has quit IRC [16:36:18] *** Michael-B101101 has joined #opensolaris [16:36:47] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [16:38:34] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [16:40:24] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [16:41:11] *** victori_ has quit IRC [16:41:36] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [16:42:31] <Michael-B101101> So euhm, I was sleepy one day and bought a motherboard for my home server which doesn't feature a onboard videocard. Pondering on it I found out I have todo something new, headless installation. I should have the cables, so now I just need an opensolaris iso that's setup right. Is there such a thing around or should I start messing with the standard iso and adapt it? - google didn't really work, but that could be my bad. [16:43:07] *** wonko2 has quit IRC [16:43:11] <_mary_kate_> you're not going to have much luck configuring a PC without a graphics card, unless it happens to default to serial console, or includes a LOM [16:43:34] *** wonko2 has joined #opensolaris [16:44:11] *** phimic has quit IRC [16:44:35] <smtms> Michael-B101101, and you are unlikely to do a headless installation sucessfully the first time, so get some graphics card [16:44:57] <h3sp4wn> Michael-B101101: It is possible you have to press down once (at least with SXCE) [16:52:27] <TomJ> can OpenSolaris even be installed headless? [16:52:46] <Michael-B101101> Ok, I just come to realize that I don't have a serial port on the board either - using a livecd with preconfigured ssh-server isn't going to work iether is it? Gues have to go out and buy some cheap card, can I pull it out later without issues or do I need to configuration? [16:53:14] <_mary_kate_> Michael-B101101: why not just buy a cheap card and leave it in? [16:53:25] *** wurlitzer has joined #opensolaris [16:53:47] <smtms> Michael-B101101, you could install on the machine's harddrive while it is plugged in another machine [16:53:51] <Michael-B101101> I gues that 0,2 wat isn't goign to save the world iether. [16:54:01] <Michael-B101101> watt* [16:55:12] <Michael-B101101> smtms will the hardware profile of the other machine not confuse the hell out of opensolaris? [16:55:49] <_mary_kate_> it'll function enough to reboot into single user mode and reconfigure it [16:55:59] <_mary_kate_> but you might find the system doesn't even POST without a VGA card, PCs are like that [16:56:11] *** erlguta has joined #opensolaris [16:56:23] *** fr4g has quit IRC [16:56:47] <Stric> Michael-B101101: I would get hold of some cheap gfx card. [16:57:10] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [16:57:58] *** erlguta has quit IRC [16:58:34] *** [NthDegree] has joined #opensolaris [17:00:05] <[NthDegree]> I'm a GNU/Linux user pondering a move to OpenSolaris - i've tested regular Solaris and found it to have a ton of open TCP/IP ports on a desktop installation [17:00:13] <[NthDegree]> how does OpenSolaris differ in this regard? [17:00:31] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [17:00:53] <Gekz> You make baby Jesus cry, and dide. [17:00:56] <Gekz> die* [17:00:58] <Gekz> \_x< [17:01:23] <nachox> there is a secure by default profile which is enabled by default in newer solaris' in which most daemons listen in the loopback interface alone [17:01:39] <[NthDegree]> nachox, that wasn't exactly the issue I had [17:01:49] <[NthDegree]> the secure by default covered network services on a server [17:01:54] <nachox> yes [17:02:05] <[NthDegree]> but it left loads of weird ports open when the desktop was loaded [17:02:18] <seanmcg> thats gnome for you.. [17:02:50] <[NthDegree]> seanmcg, that was my first assumption yes but most GNU/Linux distros don't seem to have this [17:03:09] *** rand7 has joined #opensolaris [17:03:10] <[NthDegree]> i'm wondering if it has had a lot of changes since Solaris 10 [17:06:31] <[NthDegree]> I suppose i'll just have to give it a go, and moan if it doesn't work ;-p [17:07:09] *** jgracin has quit IRC [17:08:39] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [17:08:50] *** chubs has joined #opensolaris [17:10:01] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [17:11:01] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:11:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:14:46] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [17:14:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [17:18:05] <dclarke> silly .. almost unrelated question .. when using OpenOffice I will often be typing a word and the nspelling for the entire word appears hightlighted in blue .. like I strat to type Sept for the month september .. but is there some key stroke that completes the word in some way or do I just keep typing anyways or what ? [17:18:14] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris [17:18:40] <Michael-B101101> I forgot to tank you guys for your help; thank you. :) [17:18:49] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris [17:23:53] *** fr4g has quit IRC [17:23:54] <Stric> dclarke: hit enter? [17:24:07] <dclarke> tried that .. got a new line [17:24:29] <Stric> I tried it too, and got 'September' ;) [17:24:37] <dclarke> okay .. in a regular paragraph I get the word .. in a bullet or indented sub heading I get a new line .. odd [17:24:39] <dclarke> thanks [17:24:49] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [17:24:55] <dclarke> I wonder what rev of OO I am on here .. [17:24:55] * Stric would have guessed at arrow-right or something [17:25:00] <dclarke> hrmmm [17:25:04] <dclarke> yeah .. tried that ... [17:25:11] <dclarke> must be a keyboard mapping thing [17:25:13] <dclarke> thanks ! [17:26:00] <Fullmoon> Any way to update 2008.05 to 95 via IPS (not 96?) [17:26:40] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [17:27:25] <dclarke> I tried .. [17:27:29] <dclarke> it wasn't prretty [17:27:33] *** div8 has quit IRC [17:27:40] <Fullmoon> dclarke: You mean me? [17:28:06] <dclarke> yep .. you .. see http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12 [17:28:30] *** kFuQ has joined #opensolaris [17:28:37] <dclarke> sorry .. more specific : http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12#p29 [17:29:36] <Fullmoon> I see [17:29:54] <dclarke> feel free to update that if you get different results [17:30:00] <Fullmoon> No container migration then :p [17:30:16] <Fullmoon> Unless I update both to 96, have to try in a VM first though [17:30:17] <dclarke> ummm .. I don't know what you mean by container migration [17:30:36] <Fullmoon> dclarke: Container need the same system version to move between physical boxes [17:31:39] *** kFuQ has quit IRC [17:33:44] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [17:42:34] *** sletz has quit IRC [17:46:42] *** CVirus has joined #opensolaris [17:47:38] <Fullmoon> In the rpool, when mirrored there should be devices like "c5d0s0" or "c5d0"? Add slice 0 or the whole disk? [17:48:38] *** jfndi_ has joined #opensolaris [17:50:17] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [17:51:32] *** hajma__ has quit IRC [17:52:56] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [17:55:48] <Okona> if possible use the whole disk [17:56:34] *** [NthDegree] has quit IRC [17:56:35] <Okona> but when you want to boot from it, use slices [17:58:58] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [17:59:23] *** mikl_ has quit IRC [17:59:25] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [17:59:41] *** twisti is now known as twisti_work [17:59:51] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [18:02:01] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [18:02:07] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC [18:05:13] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [18:05:41] *** master_o1_master has joined #opensolaris [18:07:02] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [18:08:38] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC [18:13:46] *** crichardso has quit IRC [18:13:58] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [18:16:29] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [18:17:23] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [18:20:09] *** jwit has quit IRC [18:20:17] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris [18:23:17] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [18:29:48] *** wurlitzer1 has joined #opensolaris [18:32:37] <Fullmoon> There are no newer live cds than 2008.05, right? [18:33:03] *** visitors_ has quit IRC [18:33:54] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris [18:34:52] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris [18:36:12] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:39:00] *** CVirus has left #opensolaris [18:41:32] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [18:41:49] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [18:43:16] *** Openfree has quit IRC [18:44:06] *** fr4g has quit IRC [18:47:10] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [18:47:29] *** TrogL has joined #opensolaris [18:47:42] *** wurlitzer has quit IRC [18:50:16] *** dburge has quit IRC [18:50:19] <TrogL> zfs question 1: I'm on a SAN. They can only give me 2 TB LUNs but they want something bigger. I can just do zpool create mypool /dev/firstlun /dev/secondlun ... then add to it later with zpool add mypool /dev/thirdlun ... right? [18:50:38] <_mary_kate_> yes [18:50:49] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [18:50:57] <_mary_kate_> that will stripe, which is fine assuming your luns are already redundant [18:52:22] <TrogL> zfs question 2: they're asking for a bunch of zfs partitions but claim to have no intention of doing resource management. How much overhead for each zfs partition vs. one big one and just make directories? [18:52:28] *** netj has quit IRC [18:52:35] <_mary_kate_> do you mean filesystem? [18:52:41] <TrogL> yes [18:52:50] <alanc> Fullmoon: there is a respin of the 2008.05 livecd with IPS fixes, and there are livecd's for newer development builds leading up to the 2008.11 release [18:52:52] <Aria> Very little. A Little overhead at boot time for the mounting. [18:52:59] <_mary_kate_> not noticable unless you intend to have thousands of filesystems, in which case it can increase boot/import time [18:53:02] <Stric> TrogL: are you talking about 5, 50, 500, 5000 or 50000? [18:53:13] <Stric> up to 500, "not much" [18:53:14] <TrogL> 10 filesystems [18:53:19] <_mary_kate_> 10 is nothing [18:53:21] <Stric> 10; "nothing" [18:53:26] <TrogL> thanks all [18:55:06] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [18:56:18] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [18:57:10] *** TrogL has quit IRC [18:58:52] *** bondolo has quit IRC [18:59:38] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [18:59:59] *** rand7 has quit IRC [19:00:29] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris [19:00:41] <airjump> hhello [19:00:48] <airjump> sorry hello [19:02:34] <airjump> is the iso download on opensolaris.com 2008.5 build 93 ? [19:02:56] <alanc> the 2008.05 iso there should be build 86 [19:02:57] <e^ipi> no, grab one of the back to school or 2008.11 isos or whatever they're calling it [19:03:20] <alanc> back-to-school is also 86 - need one of the 2008.11 development builds to get newer builds [19:03:33] <e^ipi> huh, didn't know that [19:03:41] <e^ipi> it's just a fixed IPS then? [19:03:58] <alanc> yep - to reduce the work to less than doing a full release [19:04:33] <alanc> build 96 livecd is available from bittorrent or www.genunix.org [19:04:41] <_mary_kate_> er, what? http://rafb.net/p/p5XrhJ50.html [19:04:48] *** jbasse has quit IRC [19:04:52] <airjump> ok thanks [19:09:03] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:09:09] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [19:09:43] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [19:11:13] *** t_[^^]z has joined #opensolaris [19:11:28] <t_[^^]z> would opensolaris work on a sun fire t2000 ? [19:13:08] <_mary_kate_> yes [19:13:20] <airjump> i switch to network settings and disable the auto function [19:13:33] <airjump> set static ip and dns server [19:14:15] <airjump> but i have no dns service can ping the gateway ip but no dns name [19:15:11] <airjump> on start up / boot the system i get an erro Gnome don't find the ip in etc/hosts [19:16:53] *** tenex has joined #opensolaris [19:17:03] *** tenex has left #opensolaris [19:19:33] <nachox> _mary_kate_, we have a new opensolaris (tm) live cd that works for sparc? [19:20:46] <_mary_kate_> nachox: SXCE is opensolaris ;) [19:21:20] <nachox> _mary_kate_, ... [19:21:30] <nachox> i bet he meant opensolaris (tm) [19:21:52] <nachox> _mary_kate_, i so want to kill ian now :) [19:22:04] <_mary_kate_> heh [19:23:15] *** rand7 has joined #opensolaris [19:23:23] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [19:24:03] *** rmesta has quit IRC [19:24:35] <sickness> I'm back [19:25:26] *** visitors has joined #opensolaris [19:25:30] <evocallaghan> NOTICE: Sun xVM Server 'bits' are coming out into the public now under the GPLv3 ! [19:25:48] <_mary_kate_> was that so important you had to type NOTICE in capitals? [19:25:55] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [19:26:03] <evocallaghan> yes [19:26:16] <_mary_kate_> wrong [19:26:31] <evocallaghan> I know a few people have been waiting for it. Just though I would notice it [19:26:41] * evocallaghan now passes out [19:27:59] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [19:28:32] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [19:28:36] <sickness> lol [19:29:29] *** jfndi_ has quit IRC [19:29:43] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [19:35:15] *** sipior has left #opensolaris [19:35:57] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [19:38:10] *** pizdec has quit IRC [19:42:07] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:42:41] *** twisti_home is now known as twisti [19:43:55] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [19:46:25] <t_[^^]z> what is opensolaris 2008 vs solaris express ce ? [19:47:51] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [19:48:22] *** hircus has joined #opensolaris [19:48:34] <t_[^^]z> I mean, what is the difference? [19:49:29] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [19:50:07] <Stric> different packaging system, a bit different path and defaults [19:51:07] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [19:54:07] *** coffman_ has joined #opensolaris [19:54:23] *** medar_ has quit IRC [19:56:06] *** nachox has quit IRC [19:58:19] *** ahe has quit IRC [19:59:15] *** calumb has quit IRC [20:01:14] <t_[^^]z> /quit [20:01:16] *** t_[^^]z has quit IRC [20:04:31] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris [20:04:38] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [20:04:56] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [20:10:04] *** coffman__ has joined #opensolaris [20:12:43] *** coffman has quit IRC [20:12:53] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [20:14:23] *** _Auralis has joined #opensolaris [20:15:06] *** coffman_ has quit IRC [20:21:12] <infinity_> cat /var/tmp/longpaths.txt | xargs gtar cf /BE/longpaths.tar [20:21:27] *** duri has quit IRC [20:21:32] <infinity_> is something wrong with that command? [20:21:48] *** yo has joined #opensolaris [20:22:28] <infinity_> my longpaths.tar file has 2 files in it [20:22:38] <infinity_> longpaths.txt is 9000 lines [20:27:51] *** duri has joined #opensolaris [20:28:06] <Aria> Do you have spaces in your filenames? [20:28:13] <infinity_> hmm [20:28:17] <infinity_> here is one of the filenames [20:28:34] <infinity_> /BE/sun2/sun2/apps/users/morrisb/BACKUP/labpc/home/aravind/p4_depot/main/silicon/sp16/docs/verification/coverage/report/chip_sys/051027_ecm/result.fcov/bin_chip_config_cov..pinmux_cov_chip_config_cov..pinmux_cov_chip_config_covif.mainreg_pinmux_sel_gpio_0[18].html [20:28:58] <infinity_> cat /var/tmp/longpaths.txt | xargs ls -l [20:29:02] <infinity_> seems to work okay [20:29:02] <Aria> .. Oh. Also, xargs runs the command more than once, filling the commandline as much as possible. [20:29:17] <Aria> So you're only seeing the last invocation, since you're not appending to the archive. [20:29:27] *** Dar has quit IRC [20:29:28] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC [20:30:01] <infinity_> errr [20:31:26] <kohju> you shoud check '-0' option. [20:32:33] <Aria> That shouldn't help since 9000 * long path name length = more than a commandline's worth [20:32:50] <kohju> oh. [20:32:59] <Aria> try Af rather than cf. [20:33:22] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [20:33:59] *** luc^ has quit IRC [20:34:06] <infinity_> google found this pax -w -f myarchive.tar </tmp/myfiles [20:34:13] <infinity_> pax? lol. [20:34:20] <infinity_> or tar -T [20:34:23] <infinity_> er gtar -T [20:34:27] <Aria> pax is also a good tool. [20:36:07] <infinity_> never heard of it till now. anyway. I'll try gtar -T for the moment. [20:36:37] <infinity_> lol [20:36:38] <infinity_> I want to warn, using the xargs-solution above: [20:36:38] <infinity_> Since - with a long filename list - the xargs calls multiple times and the option 'c' is used, the tarfile will contain only the files of its last execution. [20:36:49] <infinity_> someone else said the same thing [20:36:51] <Aria> Exactly. [20:37:11] <infinity_> stupid people online give wrong recommendations [20:37:13] <infinity_> hehe [20:37:21] <infinity_> causing stupid people like me grief [20:38:09] *** rab has joined #opensolaris [20:39:21] <infinity_> i'm assuming this will work correctly [20:39:28] <infinity_> cat /var/tmp/longpaths.txt | xargs rm [20:39:39] <infinity_> now that i have them archived. i'll nuke them [20:40:47] <TomJ> infinity_: no it wont [20:41:00] <infinity_> eh? [20:41:05] <TomJ> at least, not if any of those file names contain spaces, quotation marks, etc [20:41:16] <TomJ> xargs is inherentaly unsafe in that respect [20:41:17] <infinity_> cat /var/tmp/longpaths.txt | xargs rm -- [20:41:18] <infinity_> ? [20:41:32] <TomJ> which shell are yu using? [20:41:35] <infinity_> bash [20:41:50] <e^ipi> haha bash [20:42:01] <infinity_> whats so funny about bash? [20:42:13] <infinity_> isn't it the most common? [20:42:14] <TomJ> while read filename ; do rm "$filename" ; done < /var/tmp/longpaths.txt [20:42:29] <e^ipi> infinity_: aside from it totally failing standards tests and being slow & buggy? [20:42:48] <infinity_> e^ipi: dunno. guess i don't use enough of its features [20:42:53] <e^ipi> windows is the most common OS too, doesn't mean it's any less shite [20:42:55] <infinity_> e^ipi: what do you use? tchs? [20:43:02] <e^ipi> ksh93 usually [20:43:27] <TomJ> hehe, I can make ksh93 crash every minute if I want, but have never had bash crash [20:43:40] <TomJ> bash is a fine shell [20:45:00] <e^ipi> Stric: around? [20:46:20] <xRaich[o]2x> .oO(uuhhh shell wars) *fetches popcorn* [20:46:44] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [20:47:05] <Aria> TomJ, I bet :(){ :|:& };: gets it to crash [20:48:09] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd use ksh93 but i still miss programmable tab completion. or is there any? [20:48:17] <TomJ> no dont think so [20:48:38] <e^ipi> i'm relatively certain there is, but i have absolutely no idea where to start looking [20:48:42] <e^ipi> roland would know [20:48:44] <TomJ> I use ksh93 for a lot of advanced scripting, cos it's definitely the best programming support. but I wouldnt use it as my default shell [20:48:46] <e^ipi> ( gisburn / nrubsig ) [20:49:16] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: i search the whole for it, nothing [20:49:20] <Stric> e^ipi: yep [20:49:42] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:51:39] *** ahe has quit IRC [20:51:50] <e^ipi> Stric: Changeset: 2da7ede13f5a [20:51:51] <e^ipi> 6746142 find(1) fails to correctly strip path names when given the -acl flag [20:51:54] <e^ipi> 6395580 find(1): -xattr and -acl confused when -exec is present [20:52:06] <e^ipi> pushed last night [20:52:09] <e^ipi> it'll be in b99 [20:53:00] <TomJ> Aria: i'm half tempted to try now :) [20:53:13] * Aria waggles her eyebrows. [20:53:19] <Stric> e^ipi: w00t. [20:53:32] <TomJ> would be a good test of container resource limits too [20:53:36] <Aria> ayuh [20:53:51] <e^ipi> personally I find not crashing on bad input to be a bug rather than a feature [20:53:54] <e^ipi> i'd rather it core [20:54:08] <jbk> i'd rather it throw an error [20:54:12] <e^ipi> that's the ideal [20:54:15] <Aria> Nice error > Core > Bad behavior [20:54:56] <Stric> e^ipi: so you're John S, or? [20:55:05] <e^ipi> yeah [20:55:23] <TomJ> well ksh93 certainly takes that view to heart, put one foot out of line and it goes down in a ball of flames. makes debugging fun [20:55:47] <e^ipi> it usually throws errors when you do stupid crap [20:56:15] <TomJ> when you're messing with namerefs and hiererachical vars and stuff it just seems to blow up usually [20:56:30] <e^ipi> it's the same as that printf("%s", NULL) case in ARC that was a flamewar a while ago [20:56:36] <TomJ> so far Ive' always traced it back to code that wouldnt have worked anyway, so it's never been an issue. just be nice if it errored rather than died [20:56:50] <e^ipi> coreing lets you debug things... acting (wrong) doesn't [20:57:54] *** airjump has left #opensolaris [20:58:12] <TomJ> lol, a strange view point. how about having the kernel panic every time you misconfigure anything? obviously coring is always an error, and the correct method is always to trap errors and print details on them, not just to dump. you can debug a non-coring application with truss or whatever else [20:58:29] * bubbva is away: lunch [20:59:16] *** wesw has joined #opensolaris [20:59:37] <e^ipi> TomJ: depends what you misconfigured [20:59:45] <e^ipi> TomJ: storage? better damn-well panic [21:00:01] <e^ipi> writing shit data over my stuff is much, much worse than spending time diagnosing what went wrong [21:00:48] *** wesw has quit IRC [21:01:11] <TomJ> well yes, coring woudl be better than that. but not as good as just throwing an error "hey this is a really bad config" [21:01:15] <e^ipi> and things like printf(2)ing a null pointer, it's much easier to diagnose when you core than just some strange behavior [21:01:38] <e^ipi> because you're going to get a core eventually, but this way you know where it came from [21:03:32] <e^ipi> open-sauce stuff has problems with it though because i guess they're in the habit of ignoring compiler warnings and the behavior acts differently on glibc and bsd libc [21:03:46] <e^ipi> undefined condition should typically = core [21:04:16] <e^ipi> since you can't really catch it via the compiler most of the time [21:05:33] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [21:06:15] *** hircus has quit IRC [21:08:32] <e^ipi> *sigh* i wish sprouts didn't go bad so fast [21:08:41] <e^ipi> i only ever get 1 or 2 sandwiches out of them [21:08:58] *** davemq has joined #opensolaris [21:08:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi [21:12:34] <Fullmoon> Could I transfer a whole bootable system to another box with zfs send/receive? [21:13:32] <e^ipi> i don't see why it wouldn't be technically possible [21:13:42] <Fullmoon> Interesting [21:13:49] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [21:14:02] <e^ipi> the 'how' of it is probably a bit more complicated [21:15:46] <davemq> I wonder if it might take multiple zfs sends/receives to do it. I typically see systems with / and /opt in separate filesystems. [21:17:19] <bda> Look at `zfs send -R`. [21:17:41] <bda> Depends also on if the hardware is the same or not. [21:17:54] <bda> Moving Solaris installs even between similiar hosts is not turnkey. [21:18:52] <holcomb> isn't that why they made flars? [21:19:14] <TomJ> flars are great, i just wish flarcreate would ignore zones rather than breaking on them [21:19:25] <bda> holcomb: :) [21:20:43] <jbk> depends on the systems [21:21:16] <jbk> we once took the root drives out of a E5500, put them in an E6500, moved the io boards (whic had fc hbas in them) and turned the system on [21:21:22] <jbk> and it worked with no problems [21:21:41] * jbk in fact won $2 in a bet with an AIX & HP/UX admin on that [21:24:04] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC [21:25:17] *** stux|work has quit IRC [21:29:50] <TomJ> what method do you guys use for rolling out perl modules to many boxes? would I have to do CPAN on a known system and then make a differential FLAR? [21:31:04] <holcomb> don't use cpan? [21:31:06] <holcomb> hehe sorry [21:31:53] <TomJ> hehe that's fine too.. but I know perl modules install many files deep into the perl tree and I'm just not sure of the Solaris method to turn them into packages that can be easily rolled out [21:34:26] *** jwit has quit IRC [21:34:33] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris [21:35:38] *** ceil420 has joined #opensolaris [21:37:36] *** gottadoit has left #opensolaris [21:40:23] *** Odin- has quit IRC [21:40:36] *** skant has joined #opensolaris [21:43:29] <skant> channel [21:43:52] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [21:44:24] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [21:45:51] *** ehtom has joined #opensolaris [21:45:58] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris [21:46:38] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [21:48:50] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [21:49:01] *** acrostic has joined #opensolaris [21:49:17] <skant> users [21:49:31] <Bartman007> jbk: you only bet $2? [21:51:21] <jbk> that's all they'd bet [21:52:21] *** skant is now known as acrostic [21:52:44] *** acrostic has joined #opensolaris [21:53:56] <acrostic> Need help about NFS mount on linux , NFS server solaris 10 [21:53:57] <Bartman007> that's no fun, that was at least worth $20 (more if it was a production machine) [21:54:40] <acrostic> anyone can help ? Sorry new to IRC [21:55:04] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:55:07] <Aria> What sort of help, acrostic? [21:55:22] <Aria> (Usually you have to ask specific questions since you're trying to give enough info to get someone who knows something to bite) [21:55:24] <jbk> Bartman007: it was the point of sale backend for a f500 company [21:55:40] <jbk> that had to be upgraded in early december because of capacity issues [21:55:59] <acrostic> I have configured zfs and set the nfs share bit on [21:56:13] <acrostic> I can see the export from linux machine using showmount [21:56:30] <acrostic> having error when I try to mount it [21:56:33] <bda> What error? [21:56:43] <Aria> What error, indeed. [21:56:53] <acrostic> mount 10.11.16.48:/data/incoming /mnt/data [21:57:00] <acrostic> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 10.11.16.48:/data/incoming, [21:57:00] <acrostic> missing codepage or helper program, or other error [21:57:00] <acrostic> (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might [21:57:00] <acrostic> need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program) [21:57:00] <acrostic> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [21:57:01] <acrostic> dmesg | tail or so [21:57:10] <bda> Heh. [21:57:13] <acrostic> client is debian etch [21:57:22] <acrostic> nfs-common is installed [21:57:34] <bda> Try mount -t nfs? [21:57:41] <acrostic> same thing [21:57:43] <bda> huh. [21:57:45] *** Gekz has quit IRC [21:57:50] <Aria> Anything in the kernel log? (dmesg) [21:57:55] <acrostic> I mean same error [21:58:05] <acrostic> no errors logged on client [21:58:11] <Aria> And do you have mount.nfs? [21:58:25] <acrostic> no this is not part of nfs-common [21:58:29] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [21:58:51] <Aria> You should need the nfs clients. [21:59:02] <Stric> mount.nfs is in nfs-common [21:59:02] <acrostic> mounting NFS from linux server works with nfs-common package [21:59:24] <Stric> acrostic: strace -f mount ..... [22:00:22] <acrostic> stat("10.11.16.48:/data/incoming", 0x7fff55629e10) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [22:00:26] <acrostic> this may help [22:01:11] <acrostic> lstat("/etc/mtab", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=559, ...}) = 0 [22:01:12] <acrostic> stat("10.11.16.48:/data/incoming", 0x7fff55629f80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [22:01:12] <acrostic> stat("/sbin/mount.nfs", 0x7fff55629b50) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [22:01:12] <acrostic> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, ~[TRAP SEGV RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0 [22:01:12] <acrostic> stat("/sbin/mount.nfs", 0x7fff55629b30) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [22:01:12] <acrostic> mount("10.11.16.48:/data/incoming", "/mnt/data", "nfs", MS_MGC_VAL, NULL) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) [22:01:13] <Stric> it's not using mount.nfs as it should [22:01:53] <Aria> And mount.nfs isn't there according to that. [22:02:04] <Stric> hm. on etch, there isn't an mount.nfs .. hold ;) [22:02:37] <acrostic> thank you Stric for your kind help [22:03:01] <Stric> 15129 mount("baffel:/data", "/mnt", "nfs", MS_MGC_VAL, "\6") = 0 [22:05:02] <acrostic> hmm I am getting a null where you have \6 [22:05:49] <acrostic> zfs list -o name,sharenfs,mountpoint [22:05:50] <acrostic> NAME SHARENFS MOUNTPOINT [22:05:50] <acrostic> data off /data [22:05:50] <acrostic> data/incoming on /data/incoming [22:05:55] <acrostic> That is on server sizde [22:06:01] <acrostic> side I meant [22:06:17] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [22:06:36] <Stric> portmap running? (rpcinfo -p localhost) [22:06:44] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [22:06:53] <acrostic> rpcinfo -p localhost [22:06:53] <acrostic> program vers proto port [22:06:53] <acrostic> 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper [22:06:54] <acrostic> 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper [22:06:54] <acrostic> 100024 1 udp 33296 status [22:06:54] <acrostic> 100024 1 tcp 56510 status [22:07:28] <Stric> try reinstalling nfs-common.. apt-get install --reinstall nfs-common [22:07:41] <acrostic> already done that ;) [22:07:53] <Stric> :P [22:08:13] <Stric> anyhow, it's a debian issue, so #debian on oftc will probably be more helpful [22:08:47] <acrostic> Yes .. if you could help me velidate server side (zfs) that will be great [22:08:49] *** noyb has quit IRC [22:09:42] *** yo has quit IRC [22:09:52] <Stric> currently, it's a client (linux) error.. if you get "reason given by server: blergh", then it's over in solaris land ;) [22:10:32] <acrostic> where are other logs on solaris 10 .. I have already checked /var/log/ /var/adm stuff [22:11:23] <acrostic> are you able to mount solaris (zfs+nfs exported directory) to linux client ? [22:11:45] <Stric> yes. [22:11:50] <Stric> from etch too ;) [22:12:08] <acrostic> could you walk me through your setup [22:12:44] <Stric> 1) export filesystem [22:12:46] <Stric> 2) mount it [22:12:49] <Stric> 3) ?? [22:12:51] <Stric> 4) profit! [22:12:58] <acrostic> lol [22:13:05] <acrostic> coming from /. ? [22:13:13] <Stric> dunno.. from the internets.. [22:13:35] <Stric> but anyway, you should head over to #debian [22:13:47] <acrostic> thank you for your help [22:13:59] <acrostic> have a great day .. [22:14:12] <Stric> same [22:14:16] *** acrostic has left #opensolaris [22:17:46] <e^ipi> of course, why wouldn't UPS try to drop off a package during the exact half hour i ran out to grab tacos [22:18:08] * Aria laughs. I was gone 4.5 minutes this morning. I missed UPS in that time. [22:18:32] <e^ipi> lol [22:18:43] <e^ipi> it's like they've got cameras on your door [22:18:57] <Stric> and yesterday, I got a duplicate package :P [22:19:03] <e^ipi> free stuff? [22:19:11] <Stric> yup. guitar hero 3 replacement disk.. #2.. [22:19:19] <e^ipi> ebay? [22:19:40] <Stric> no.. mono vs stereo blah.. sent in disk.. got replacement.. wait 2 weeks.. got another replacement.. [22:22:30] *** glance has joined #opensolaris [22:27:47] <e^ipi> so you can ebay your replacement #2 [22:28:18] <Stric> yup. 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