[00:01:42] <e^ipi> now you know... if you want something fixed, come to IRC where we can ignore you in real time
[00:01:55] <Stric> yay :)
[00:02:58] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[00:03:43] <spike_> http://ja.pastebin.ca/983222
[00:03:48] <spike_> there's someone else with -exact- same problem
[00:04:10] <e^ipi> spike_: this is me ignoring you in real time.
[00:04:12] <e^ipi> ;)
[00:04:26] <RavenSlay3r> LMAO - this is way better than watching TV
[00:04:28] <e^ipi> no but seriously though try zfs-discuss and file a bug
[00:04:39] <e^ipi> i don't know the solution to your problem but someone on zfs-discuss might
[00:05:13] <spike_> heheh alright thanks
[00:05:23] <spike_> i'm gonna do that when i get home tonight
[00:05:24] <e^ipi> also that pastebin is for some linux thing
[00:05:27] <spike_> for now i'm just going to try googling and reading some more
[00:05:37] <spike_> there's also a sun discssion with exact same problem that i'm in the middle of
[00:05:37] <e^ipi> which, i mean... if it doesn't work on linux, i blame linux
[00:05:43] <spike_> http://www.archivum.info/zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org/2008-08/msg00118.html
[00:05:54] <spike_> that one's legit
[00:05:56] <spike_> but don't worry
[00:06:11] <spike_> i'll research it and mail the discuss list if i can't figure it out
[00:06:20] <RavenSlay3r> e^ipi: i figured you would blame GNU first ;)
[00:06:34] <spike_> i think it was on ubuntu even
[00:06:34] <spike_> heh
[00:06:42] <e^ipi> RavenSlay3r: past experience serves only to reinforce the decision
[00:07:26] <RavenSlay3r> lol
[00:07:35] <spike_> thanks for help though ipi, catch ya in a few
[00:09:21] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris
[00:09:53] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris
[00:11:20] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris
[00:12:32] <Mazon> trashing my opensolaris install (while fixing SUNWprivate_4.2 issue): http://rafb.net/p/cPDAeM47.html
[00:12:55] *** derchris has quit IRC
[00:14:59] *** asarch has quit IRC
[00:15:54] *** solaris-user has joined #opensolaris
[00:16:21] <solaris-user> Hi, where do i get the mysql bits for the neveda release?
[00:16:41] <e^ipi> they're in the sfw gate
[00:16:50] <seanmcg> solaris-user, what version are you using ?  with SXCE they may be already installed.
[00:16:53] <solaris-user> The MySQL is corrupted and would like reinstal it again...
[00:17:32] <solaris-user> yes, it's installed but it got corrupted.
[00:17:44] <solaris-user> i want to reinstall again...
[00:18:00] <e^ipi> oh, it's on the DVD
[00:18:08] <e^ipi> SUNWmysql i think?
[00:18:29] <solaris-user> Is there a link to download?
[00:18:34] <seanmcg> ya SUNWmysql[5]*.
[00:18:59] <seanmcg> you don't have the install media about ?
[00:19:08] <solaris-user> No
[00:19:25] <seanmcg> so what version of solaris ?
[00:19:33] <seanmcg> cat /etc/release
[00:19:53] <seanmcg> then see if its still available on opensolaris.org
[00:20:30] <solaris-user> Solaris Express Community Edition snv_97 X86
[00:20:57] <seanmcg> Okona, thats the latest, so you can still download it from opensolaris.org
[00:21:03] <seanmcg> ok even.
[00:21:04] <e^ipi> you can also use CSKmysql if you so decide
[00:21:57] <solaris-user> thanks
[00:22:32] *** Disorganized has quit IRC
[00:23:54] *** solaris-user has quit IRC
[00:26:29] <spike_> okay ipi, took your advice, only took me an hour of googling to just listen to ya.
[00:27:35] <e^ipi> i gave you advice?
[00:27:40] *** capaz has left #opensolaris
[00:27:55] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris
[00:27:59] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[00:29:55] *** TomJ has quit IRC
[00:30:00] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[00:32:52] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[00:33:29] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris
[00:33:29] *** mega has quit IRC
[00:33:49] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[00:34:13] *** dunc has quit IRC
[00:35:45] <spike_> heh i mailed the zfs discussion list
[00:35:58] <spike_> hopefully it went throug, my confirmation formy subscrition to it hasn't come back yet
[00:36:01] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[00:36:03] *** ruse39 has quit IRC
[00:40:07] *** nivox has quit IRC
[00:41:39] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris
[00:42:29] *** davidX- has joined #opensolaris
[00:42:40] <davidX-> what's the opensolaris equivalent of /etc/fstab to linux ?
[00:43:59] *** jcookeman has joined #opensolaris
[00:44:25] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris
[00:44:36] <spike_> etc/mtab
[00:44:45] <spike_> well /etc/fstab is bsd not linux isn't it?
[00:44:54] <spike_> i thought linux as /etc/mtab and bsd was /etc/fstab
[00:45:15] <jcookeman> mtab is mounted filesystems
[00:45:41] * spike_ isn't a linux guy
[00:45:58] <spike_> on *bsd /etc/fstab is mounted fs's, there is't an /etc/mtab
[00:46:08] <davidX-> sorry, bsd
[00:46:10] <davidX-> long day
[00:46:10] <davidX-> :D
[00:46:26] <davidX-> too long
[00:46:38] <davidX-> i've got vfstab and mnttab but mnttab is read only
[00:48:15] <jcookeman> hey guys, I'm new to OpenSolaris
[00:48:19] <jcookeman> so far I really like it
[00:48:21] <turtle> ONCE MONTHLY BONIVA
[00:48:42] *** myrkraverk` has joined #opensolaris
[00:50:25] <davidX-> if you create a filesystem through zfs do you need to add it to any file in /etc to make it permanently mount? maybe that's where my disconnect is
[00:50:39] <davidX-> the documentation i have doesn't show it
[00:51:38] <jcookeman> /etc/vfstab?
[00:52:38] <e^ipi> davidX-: no
[00:52:46] <e^ipi> you set the mountpoint property
[00:55:55] <davidX-> thx
[00:56:34] <e^ipi> if the mountpoint is set to 'legacy', then you would use vfstab as per normal
[00:56:44] <e^ipi> ( which is what you have to do for zfs root )
[00:56:44] *** mega has quit IRC
[00:57:00] *** dom has quit IRC
[00:57:02] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[00:57:02] <davidX-> and if i want to change the mountpoint after, it'd be somewhere under zpool?
[00:57:14] <TomJ> zfs
[00:57:17] <e^ipi> zfs(1M)
[00:57:30] <TomJ> zpool just sets up the total storage space, zfs subdivides it into filesystems which have properties
[00:58:03] <e^ipi> zpool's have properties too
[00:58:21] *** jcookeman is now known as jcookeman_
[01:01:09] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[01:02:22] *** _teo_ has quit IRC
[01:03:00] <davidX-> found a better document :D
[01:03:07] <e^ipi> the one in /topic ?
[01:04:23] <seanmcg> the man page ?
[01:04:53] <davidX-> nah, zfshowto for containers
[01:05:18] <e^ipi> containers = zones
[01:05:29] <e^ipi> are you playing around with zones?
[01:06:49] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris
[01:07:53] *** holcomb has quit IRC
[01:08:24] *** Adamant has joined #opensolaris
[01:08:38] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris
[01:10:34] <davidX-> hmm, i had a sun engineer tell me a container is just a zone with process management and that without it its only a zone..
[01:10:41] <davidX-> whatever kind of marketing bs that was
[01:10:51] <davidX-> anyways, yes working with zones
[01:11:04] <seanmcg> resource management you mean
[01:11:21] <davidX-> sure
[01:12:01] <e^ipi> what?
[01:12:11] <e^ipi> nevermind, it doesn't matter
[01:12:22] <seanmcg> cpu/mem etc resource capping etc
[01:12:35] *** postwait has quit IRC
[01:12:43] <seanmcg> a plain zone is 'just a bunch of processes'.
[01:13:12] <seanmcg> with resource management, its contained and managed (market speak insert :)
[01:13:17] <seanmcg> really its more powerful.
[01:14:32] <seanmcg> eg, that zone running the http+ssl server gets more cpu that the http-images server for example.
[01:14:39] <davidX-> seanmcg: exactly how it was explained to me by somebody from sun
[01:14:46] <davidX-> he poked a bit of fun at the marketing team
[01:14:55] <e^ipi> anyways, the point i was getting at is the zfs for containers guide is probably not what you're looking for if you're not looking for info about zfs & containers
[01:15:19] <davidX-> e^ipi: i understand, just spewing the only fact i know, hah
[01:15:47] <seanmcg> ya, just that 'process management' != 'resource management'...
[01:18:43] <TomJ> the beauty of zones is that from the global zone they are indeed 'just a bunch of processes', but within the zone they're a whole separate OS (with a couple of exceptions that dont matter for most uses)
[01:19:46] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris
[01:20:03] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris
[01:20:10] *** DottorZero has quit IRC
[01:21:22] *** holcomb has joined #opensolaris
[01:21:46] *** sartek has quit IRC
[01:25:28] *** Auriel has joined #opensolaris
[01:27:24] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[01:38:51] *** rab has quit IRC
[01:45:09] *** uebayasi has quit IRC
[01:45:24] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[01:48:35] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:48:44] *** stevel has quit IRC
[01:49:22] *** chubs has joined #opensolaris
[01:49:23] *** Aria has quit IRC
[01:51:13] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris
[01:54:11] *** gottadoit has quit IRC
[01:55:00] <TomJ> Is there any point in scrubbing a ZFS file system that consists of a single device?
[01:55:27] *** Auriel is now known as Auriel[A]
[01:56:11] <e^ipi> detect bad data
[01:56:25] <e^ipi> but you know you can have multiple replicas on a single device, yeah?
[01:56:37] <e^ipi> you use it up twice as fast, but your data's safer
[01:57:27] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris
[02:01:47] <dclarke> any serious compiler geeks here ?
[02:02:04] <dclarke> and .. I mean "geek" in the best possible light
[02:02:05] *** uebayasi has quit IRC
[02:03:44] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris
[02:04:53] <TomJ> e^ipi: the device in question already has external redundancy, it's a SAN LUN
[02:05:03] <TomJ> just wondering if there's much point scheduling a regular scrub
[02:05:04] <TomJ> can't hurt I guess
[02:05:24] <e^ipi> nah, it doesn't eat that much I/O
[02:06:33] <bda> uh.
[02:06:58] <bda> That really depends on your workload. Running it a pool hosting, say, a database, is going to case a fair amount of doom.
[02:07:13] <bda> Running it on a filesystem with many small files (logserver) is going to cause a fair amount of doom.
[02:07:23] <bda> Pegged I/O, can take >day.
[02:07:31] <bda> s/case/cause/
[02:08:05] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[02:08:23] *** sah-work has quit IRC
[02:08:41] *** dom has joined #opensolaris
[02:08:56] <e^ipi> you win
[02:09:53] *** psychonate has quit IRC
[02:10:05] * bda uses ZFS in a number of workloads.
[02:10:14] <TomJ> next question.. this same zpool is shared via sharenfs - so I've done  zfs set sharenfs=root=192.168.128.9/23 tank ;  and that works fine.  But I just created  the tank/tmp filesystem, and although the directory shows up on a client, its contents does not.  I have ot manually mount server:/tank/tmp from the clients
[02:10:18] <TomJ> should I clear the inherited sharenfs?
[02:10:25] *** dunc has quit IRC
[02:10:34] <TomJ> bda: do you just not scrub those then?  or only during maintenance outages?
[02:10:38] *** Gnu_Raiz has joined #opensolaris
[02:10:51] <bda> I scrub them monthly, off-hours.
[02:11:13] <bda> The logserver can take the load, interactive (search logs) just goes to shit.
[02:11:26] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[02:11:40] <bda> The database boxes are harder, but I run as close to off-hours as they can get.
[02:11:56] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[02:12:59] <TomJ> hmm I cleared sharenfs on tank/tmp and it still shows up empty on the client.  I dont have to specifically mount every subfilesystem of tank, surely?
[02:13:14] <bda> Pretty sure you do. That's how NFS works.
[02:13:20] <bda> Though I think that's fixed, somehow, in v4?
[02:13:33] <bda> (recently-ish)
[02:15:45] <dclarke> anyone in Australia here ?
[02:16:00] <dclarke> like .. Sydney or Melbourne etc
[02:16:17] <bda> Tempt. LeftWing.
[02:16:26] <dclarke> perfect .. right
[02:16:29] <dclarke> I should know that
[02:16:34] <dclarke> Tempt : ?
[02:16:46] <dclarke> ping Tempt ...
[02:17:02] * dclarke I call him Andre the giant .. with the cool services
[02:17:04] <Gnu_Raiz> I was wondering if I could find a driver for an intel chipset that driver utility says I need.
[02:17:30] <Gnu_Raiz> says I need a mei pci express chipset driver, what ever that is.
[02:17:46] <Gnu_Raiz> google comes up empty, as well as intels own site.
[02:18:09] <dclarke> looks like you're back to bare wire and a hex editor
[02:18:49] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[02:20:18] <Tempt> dclarke: moo?
[02:20:33] * dclarke moo http://www2.purplecow.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/angled_shot640.jpg
[02:20:41] <dclarke> I moo therefore I am
[02:20:44] <Tempt> What's up?
[02:20:49] <dclarke> umm .. so what time is it there ?
[02:20:54] <Tempt> 10.21am
[02:21:06] <dclarke> excellent .. I need to make a phone cal lto the other side of the planet
[02:21:12] <Tempt> hah
[02:21:32] <nachox> hi guys
[02:21:37] <dclarke> I should give you a ring to let you knwo how PurpleCow.org has basicly bolted a massive backend ont othe back of Blastwave.org and been .. simply wonderful is too small a word
[02:21:46] <Tempt> next time ...
[02:21:53] <Tempt> TZ=Australia/Victoria ; date
[02:22:00] <dclarke> I need to figure out how to get beer in your hands
[02:22:16] <dclarke> yeah .. that would have been smart if I knew the timezone
[02:22:18] <e^ipi> mail him some Fosters
[02:22:23] * Tempt smacks e^ipi
[02:22:26] <dclarke> not Fosters
[02:22:29] <e^ipi> aussies lovethat
[02:22:29] <dclarke> no no
[02:22:31] <dclarke> goat
[02:22:33] <Tempt> goat!
[02:22:40] <dclarke> real beer
[02:22:46] <Tempt> Goat is the official purplecow.org brewer
[02:22:46] <dclarke> I researhed it .. they do the real thing
[02:22:51] <Tempt> They're purplecow.org certified.
[02:22:55] <dclarke> ha ha
[02:23:56] <dclarke> in any case .. I am going to call up .. let me see here ... Clayton South Australia
[02:24:01] <dclarke> where ever that is
[02:24:09] <e^ipi> south australia, clearly
[02:24:13] <Tempt> A nifty irssi plugin would be one where you could note the location or timezone for a given nick
[02:24:31] <Tempt> and get a current time for everyone on your notify list
[02:24:33] <dclarke> yes .. that would be handy
[02:24:38] <Tempt> South Australia is a different TZ
[02:26:27] <Tempt>   --( SunOS )--  --( PID=26270 )--
[02:26:29] <Tempt>   --(  $:~  )-- TZ=Australia/Adelaide ; date
[02:26:32] <Tempt> Tue Sep  9 09:56:29 CST 2008
[02:26:59] <dclarke> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Clayton+South+Australia&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.08269,146.228027&spn=9.664675,22.08252&t=k&z=6
[02:27:07] <dclarke> looks like the deep south
[02:27:10] <dclarke> other end of the world
[02:27:20] <Tempt> Adelaide is renowned for being boring.
[02:27:21] <dclarke> this qualifies as a long distance call I think
[02:27:31] <Tempt> skype it
[02:27:41] <dclarke> don't have skype
[02:27:49] <dclarke> heck .. don't even own a microphone
[02:27:53] <Tempt> heh
[02:28:00] <dclarke> or at least .. .. not in years
[02:28:15] <dclarke> last time I tried VOIP I was convinced it was not ready for prime time
[02:28:28] <dclarke> no .. I think this call will go over the real wires
[02:28:51] <dclarke> and cost $4 a minute but this guy down there is important and does great work and I want to reach out to him .. personally
[02:28:54] *** Auriel[A] is now known as Auriel
[02:29:20] *** zoranoth has joined #opensolaris
[02:29:34] *** jfisc has quit IRC
[02:29:58] <dclarke> okay .. here goes .. I'll call up the operator first to check out the whole international dialing rules from here to there
[02:30:45] *** stevel_ has quit IRC
[02:30:55] <Tempt> +61
[02:31:26] *** bondolo has quit IRC
[02:31:45] <dclarke> omg ..
[02:31:49] <dclarke> sounds terrible
[02:31:52] <dclarke> tons of noise
[02:31:56] <Tempt> Shouldn't be.
[02:31:59] <dclarke> tons
[02:32:03] <dclarke> I had to hang up
[02:32:05] <Tempt> Get a new carrier.
[02:32:13] <dclarke> Bell Canada .. is the only carrier up here
[02:32:17] <Tempt> hah
[02:32:17] <dclarke> damn monopolies
[02:32:27] <Tempt> Yay, telco monopolies
[02:32:27] <Tempt> They're great.
[02:32:31] <dclarke> all other carriers like Sprint .. ride on top of Bell wires
[02:32:38] * Tempt is an ex-telco admin
[02:32:44] <nachox> i cant believe laptop batteries are so expensive...
[02:32:44] <dclarke> so you may as well just bend over and take it
[02:32:55] <dclarke> let me re-dial
[02:33:12] <dclarke> nice and clean
[02:33:18] <dclarke> no noise now
[02:35:11] *** clyons has quit IRC
[02:37:52] <dclarke> had t oleave a four minute message
[02:39:28] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC
[02:50:38] *** ggeecko has quit IRC
[02:58:22] <jbk> evening
[02:59:37] *** niq has quit IRC
[03:01:26] *** Gman has quit IRC
[03:04:36] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[03:05:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman
[03:05:23] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris
[03:08:14] *** asarch has quit IRC
[03:09:17] *** erast has quit IRC
[03:12:00] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[03:12:35] *** johannes has joined #opensolaris
[03:12:45] <johannes> I have an error while updating SUNWcs "Operation not applicable: '//etc/dfs/sharetab'" http://pastebin.ca/1197669 - any ideas?
[03:22:48] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[03:26:10] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris
[03:26:39] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[03:26:41] *** Wez_ has joined #opensolaris
[03:28:06] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris
[03:29:42] <yoursdai> Does anyone know wheter avs can suppot zvol?
[03:30:02] <yoursdai> Does anyone know whether avs can suppot zvol?
[03:30:57] *** sbahra has joined #opensolaris
[03:31:04] <sbahra> Tempt, ping?
[03:37:21] *** mega has quit IRC
[03:37:31] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[03:39:06] *** Wez_ is now known as Wez
[03:39:15] *** piwi has quit IRC
[03:40:51] <Tempt> sbahra: ICMP ECHO REPLY
[03:42:03] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away
[03:42:07] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc_away
[03:42:48] <nachox> damn aix...
[03:42:53] *** yippi has quit IRC
[03:43:03] <Tempt> Hmm?
[03:44:45] <dclarke> johannes: a lot of people are hitting that problem .. see Forum at http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12
[03:45:00] *** _anthonyc has joined #opensolaris
[03:46:06] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris
[03:47:33] <johannes> dclarke: I see no solution just other people having similar problems, hoped for a tip from somebody, anyways I'll rollback to a previous snapshot (hey I like ZFS!) and go to bed :-)
[03:47:55] <dclarke> johannes: I am thinking a lot of people are doing the same thing
[03:48:55] <johannes> going to bed? - yeah, while I guess most people around her already did, or re getting up soon (03:48 am local time) ;-)
[03:49:10] <_anthonyc> well if nothing else try lube
[03:49:18] <_anthonyc> wait wrong channel
[03:49:42] *** mega has quit IRC
[03:50:18] <johannes> Wow, those python error messages really are very descriptive and helpful!
[03:50:19] <johannes> And here was me considering taking the plunge and installing "opensolaris 2008.11" or whatever the most recent iso provides on my main machine...
[03:50:27] <johannes> oups
[03:50:29] <johannes> hm
[03:50:51] <johannes> "Bus Error (core dumped)" - that'S what I wanted to paste (during zfs rollback)
[03:51:02] <sbahra> Tempt, why were you banned from ##FreeBSD?
[03:51:06] <sbahra> Tempt, and by who?
[03:51:33] <Tempt> oh
[03:51:36] <Tempt> that was like 6 months ago
[03:51:37] <_anthonyc> serious question: I penta boot with opensolaris 2008.05, and I hardly ever use it because of belkin wireless drivers for my laptop
[03:51:47] <Tempt> I got banned for asking a question.
[03:51:53] <_anthonyc> solution? possibly involving linux drivers?
[03:52:21] * dclarke looks shocked
[03:52:29] <dclarke> Tempt: are you kidding ?
[03:52:41] <Tempt> I was asking about a problem with FreeBSD/Alpha
[03:52:48] <Tempt> and I got flamed and banned for using non-x86 hardware
[03:53:15] <Tempt> Apparently the FreeBSD project hates anything that isn't x86 now.
[03:53:18] <Tempt> Especially Alpha.
[03:53:29] <Tempt> Which is funny, because they used to jump up and down about how great Alpha was ...
[03:54:10] <dclarke> geez .. I *still* have an Alpha
[03:54:12] <Gnu_Raiz> that is sad.
[03:54:23] <dclarke> I loved the alpha so much that I rescued one from a datacenter
[03:54:26] <Gnu_Raiz> what about netbsd, or the other variants?
[03:54:29] <dclarke> it was running Windows NT
[03:54:32] <Tempt> Yeah, I've got a quad ES40 with 8GB of RAM here.
[03:54:38] <dclarke> wooo
[03:54:38] <Tempt> It don't actually turn it on very often though.
[03:54:49] <Tempt> It's actually available free to a good home.
[03:54:58] <dclarke> I have a Dual Proc 4100 class server with 2GB of RAM and two DEC disk arrays in it
[03:55:07] <_anthonyc> back to the wireless question please?
[03:55:12] <dclarke> sorry
[03:55:19] <_anthonyc> I really want to embrace opensolaris on my laptop
[03:55:22] <_anthonyc> :)
[03:56:06] <Tempt> Do you embrace OpenSolaris, or does OpenSolaris embrace you?
[03:56:37] <_anthonyc> I honestly never boot into except when I forget to select ubuntu/mac/XP/fedora from my bootloader, which was overwritten by opensolaris without permission - an MS move
[03:56:43] <_anthonyc> its both ways
[03:57:14] <_anthonyc> but how to get opensolaris to embrace my wireless card? its a generic belkin, and I have the linux driver source
[03:57:17] <Gnu_Raiz> just change your default to  your desired os in grub.
[03:57:33] <_anthonyc> I have to do it from opensolaris, a pain in the ass
[03:57:53] <_anthonyc> especially because enabling compiz screwed my original user account
[03:58:05] <_anthonyc> had to sudo my way out of that one :P
[03:58:39] <Gnu_Raiz> opensolaris uses grub, just edit your menu.lst and change the default line to what ever order is in your menu.
[03:58:48] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[03:59:31] <Gnu_Raiz> I would check to see if the card is supported first in the hcl, lots of cards that are supported in linux are not yet supported in solaris.
[03:59:44] <_anthonyc> I figured that
[04:00:06] <Gnu_Raiz> if your using 200805, just fire up drive utilty and see what it says.
[04:00:08] <_anthonyc> can linux driver source be used by opensolaris? although it is a microkernel (mach?)
[04:00:25] <nachox> no
[04:00:35] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[04:00:40] <_anthonyc> crap.
[04:00:43] <nachox> and no, solaris does not use a microkernel
[04:00:57] <_anthonyc> think i did use drive utility, and it said unrecognized or something
[04:01:04] <_anthonyc> no microkernel? hmm
[04:01:11] *** Tpenta has quit IRC
[04:01:14] <nachox> read the wikipedia entry comparing the unix implementations
[04:01:42] <nachox> you might want QNX for a microkernel
[04:01:50] <_anthonyc> but anyways if my C wasn't God-awful and I knew more about writing drivers I would just port the code
[04:02:00] <_anthonyc> anyone want to teach me?
[04:02:21] <_anthonyc> or should I say 'any one o' ya wanna done learn me?'
[04:02:24] <Tempt> porting the code might leave you in GPL hell
[04:02:57] <_anthonyc> if only I'm using it...
[04:03:14] <nachox> as long as you dont distribute it you're ok
[04:03:41] <_anthonyc> fine. any lessons on driver writing for opensolaris?
[04:03:48] *** Disorganized has quit IRC
[04:03:54] <nachox> there is a tutorial somewhere
[04:04:08] <_anthonyc> I'll lelgoog it
[04:04:26] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris
[04:04:39] <nachox> _anthonyc, http://opensolaris.org/os/article/2005-03-31_inside_opensolaris__solaris_driver_programming/
[04:04:45] <_anthonyc> again my C is terrible, but I'll try it
[04:05:27] <_anthonyc> anyone here a C god willing to help me on this one?
[04:05:42] <Gnu_Raiz> you might just be easier just to  buy a card that is supported on ebay, or another cheap place.
[04:06:09] <_anthonyc> nah I use my belkin with everything :)
[04:06:44] <_anthonyc> leopard sees it using the chipset maker's tool, linux just works, windows has a util, OS is the only one
[04:08:07] <_anthonyc> old fortran manual joke: and that way, pi is stored in a public variable easily modifiyable should the value of pi ever change.
[04:13:49] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris
[04:14:07] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris
[04:14:31] <Tempt> Quad booted including Hackintosh. Marvellous.
[04:25:29] <_anthonyc> penta booting: 2 linuxes
[04:27:25] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC
[04:36:55] *** Rotarye has joined #OpenSolaris
[04:37:06] *** [Gandhi] has joined #opensolaris
[04:42:17] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris
[04:44:00] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[04:48:59] *** stux|work is now known as stux|away
[04:49:49] *** anil1 has joined #opensolaris
[04:51:18] *** anilg has quit IRC
[05:01:49] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris
[05:02:13] <jbk> evening gdamore
[05:02:44] <gdamore> evening... not really here right now... just finally got my network outage fixed (damned cable modem)
[05:02:48] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC
[05:04:48] <nachox> gdamore, i'm sure it was stefan the one responsible for your cable modem problems, it was the only way to prevent you from derailing his C++ stdlib arc case :)
[05:05:10] <gdamore> lol.  the case is already derailed, anyway. :-)
[05:05:19] *** asarch has quit IRC
[05:05:59] <jbk> :)
[05:06:53] <nachox> at least the compiler group showed up to discuss about it
[05:07:17] *** c00p has quit IRC
[05:11:48] <gdamore> yeah, I think we have a way forward... I don't mind the case going forward... I just didn't want it to be done haphazardly.
[05:12:01] <gdamore> anyway, dinner time 4 me.  g'nite all.
[05:12:08] <nachox> nite
[05:13:26] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[05:13:59] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[05:18:12] <[Gandhi]> hi
[05:18:20] <[Gandhi]> the cd for solaris in .zip
[05:18:32] *** c00p has quit IRC
[05:18:38] <[Gandhi]> i should extract and bur really
[05:18:47] <[Gandhi]> ??
[05:19:00] <[Gandhi]> something can help me
[05:19:48] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris
[05:21:43] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[05:24:27] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[05:25:08] *** Auriel has quit IRC
[05:27:47] *** c00p has quit IRC
[05:27:57] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[05:32:03] *** nachox has quit IRC
[05:33:00] *** c00p has quit IRC
[05:33:14] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[05:34:19] *** erast has quit IRC
[05:48:10] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[05:49:15] <e^ipi> does anyone know who MC Frontalot is?
[05:49:56] <e^ipi> i just noticed that he looks a lot like stephen hahn, and also always wears ties
[05:50:01] <e^ipi> one and the same?
[05:50:03] <e^ipi> I think so.
[05:50:17] <e^ipi> sch moonlights as a nerdcore hip-hop star. *nod*
[05:50:21] <asyd> \_o<
[05:52:22] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[05:59:39] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris
[06:01:53] *** Adamant has quit IRC
[06:03:32] <spike_> anybody around?
[06:03:39] <spike_> been troubleshooting my zfs array all day
[06:03:42] <spike_> need some more help here
[06:04:09] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[06:05:01] <_anthonyc> nite guys.
[06:05:04] *** _anthonyc has left #opensolaris
[06:06:22] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris
[06:08:29] *** Gnu_Raiz has quit IRC
[06:11:09] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[06:13:04] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[06:21:54] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[06:24:31] *** postwait has quit IRC
[06:26:27] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris
[06:30:38] *** c00p_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:32:13] *** c00p has quit IRC
[06:34:02] *** Wez has quit IRC
[06:37:13] <dclarke> here comes a whopper of a question .. anyone know how to send a reset or BREAK command down to a Solaris server with a serial console? The machine is x86. The classic ~# via tip does not work. I guess I'm dead in the water because there is no OpenFirmware here.
[06:38:40] <dclarke> never mind .. answered my own question.  I'm dead in the water with this box
[06:47:38] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris
[06:48:12] *** jwk404 has quit IRC
[06:58:53] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[07:05:51] *** asarch has quit IRC
[07:17:28] *** anathematic has quit IRC
[07:19:14] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC
[07:36:25] *** c00p_ has quit IRC
[07:36:45] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[07:41:05] <sickness> dclarke: for BREAK you mean like "STOP-A" on a sparc?
[07:41:32] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC
[07:41:50] <sickness> dclarke: I don't think there's something like that on x86, but you can send .~
[07:42:52] *** kgoetz has joined #opensolaris
[07:50:21] *** spiki has quit IRC
[07:54:11] *** c00p has quit IRC
[07:55:13] *** vk5foss has quit IRC
[07:57:46] *** FallenHitokiri has joined #opensolaris
[08:00:20] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[08:03:50] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris
[08:04:40] *** sbahra has quit IRC
[08:05:40] *** Ma1 has joined #opensolaris
[08:16:34] *** _ken__ has quit IRC
[08:16:44] *** _ken__ has joined #opensolaris
[08:17:28] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[08:18:36] *** c00p has quit IRC
[08:18:47] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[08:20:37] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris
[08:22:36] *** mikl_ has joined #opensolaris
[08:23:02] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris
[08:24:52] *** myrkraverk` has quit IRC
[08:28:28] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris
[08:32:25] *** c00p has quit IRC
[08:32:38] *** Tpenta has quit IRC
[08:35:55] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[08:36:28] *** _spike has joined #opensolaris
[08:37:19] *** yoursdai has quit IRC
[08:38:07] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[08:42:47] *** myrkraverk` has joined #opensolaris
[08:45:28] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[08:49:19] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris
[08:50:13] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[08:51:20] *** sophokles1 has left #opensolaris
[08:55:03] *** mikl_ has quit IRC
[08:56:17] *** phimic has quit IRC
[08:56:18] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris
[08:56:26] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[08:58:19] <yoursdai> Does anyone have the experience of using avs to remote mirror volume creating from SVM?
[09:00:07] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris
[09:03:48] *** phimic has quit IRC
[09:03:55] *** nivox has joined #opensolaris
[09:03:56] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[09:04:11] *** c00p has quit IRC
[09:04:32] *** JoergB has quit IRC
[09:04:47] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[09:09:33] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[09:10:19] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris
[09:12:10] *** logic has joined #opensolaris
[09:12:18] *** phimic has quit IRC
[09:14:04] *** twisti_work is now known as twisti
[09:20:26] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[09:21:25] *** hajma__ has joined #opensolaris
[09:25:48] *** linxuz3r has joined #opensolaris
[09:25:51] <linxuz3r> hi
[09:26:33] *** dunc has quit IRC
[09:29:48] *** c00p has quit IRC
[09:34:17] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[09:35:09] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris
[09:35:52] <yoursdai> hi,linuxz3r
[09:35:58] <benley> hi hi hihihi
[09:38:11] <linxuz3r> hey
[09:38:24] <linxuz3r> what grub version is included in opensolaris?
[09:38:32] <_mary_kate_> 0.95 with several patches
[09:38:55] <linxuz3r> which is better to get opensolaris or solaris 10?
[09:39:09] <_mary_kate_> what do you want to do with it?
[09:39:21] <linxuz3r> mostly program in java
[09:39:28] <_mary_kate_> on a desktop system?
[09:39:29] <linxuz3r> im looking for overall really
[09:39:36] <linxuz3r> yes
[09:39:43] <_mary_kate_> then probably opensolaris (2008.05 or SXCE)
[09:41:06] <linxuz3r> sxce?
[09:41:16] <_mary_kate_> solaris express community edition
[09:42:23] <linxuz3r> how big is opensolaris?
[09:43:05] <benley> a DVD full
[09:43:08] <div8> somebody happens to know why ipmpstat is not available in opensolaris?
[09:43:09] <_mary_kate_> SXCE is a DVD or 6 CDs, opensolaris is one CD with a network package manager
[09:43:23] <_mary_kate_> (they include mostly the same software - 2008.05 has less stuff because it's not freely redistributable)
[09:48:00] <seanmcg> what less stuff ?
[09:48:11] <seanmcg> (other than man pages?-)
[09:48:46] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[09:48:46] <linxuz3r> kinda odd the 2008.5 opensolaris image is 600mb when i downloaded it lastweek it was 4gb
[09:48:57] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:49:04] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC
[09:51:46] <Gman> linxuz3r: you downloaded something different
[09:51:57] <Gman> 2008.05 has always been a single CD
[09:52:01] <benley> you probably downloaded SXCE last week.
[09:52:07] <freetown> is there libaudio on Indiana?
[09:52:16] <Gman> (other than the development builds for 2008.11 which have temporarily expanded to > CD)
[09:53:04] <Gman> freetown: yes, though you'll likely need SUNWhea for the development headers
[09:53:21] <freetown> which package holds libaudio?
[09:54:01] <Gman> one sec, i'll go and check
[09:54:55] <freetown> thnx
[09:54:59] <kaleb> Does anyone know If the charset of nfs lies on the nfs server or client? I am having problem seeing russian letters mounted with nfs
[09:56:05] <freetown> i'd imagine it was the client's responsibility...
[09:56:24] <kaleb> freetown: yeah, it probably should be
[09:56:48] <kaleb> but i cannot find any options for locale in any man pages of nfs
[09:57:03] <kaleb> font problem?
[09:57:07] <freetown> filename in russian?
[09:57:15] <kaleb> yes
[09:57:39] <freetown> set shell locale to russian?
[09:57:50] <kaleb> freetown: yes
[09:58:30] <freetown> sorry, out of ideas...
[09:58:54] <kaleb> thanks anyway
[10:01:03] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris
[10:01:12] <Gman> freetown: i stand corrected, seemingly not
[10:01:21] <Gman> which is odd
[10:01:28] <Gman> (unless i'm looking in the wrong places)
[10:01:50] <freetown> i was afraid of that...
[10:02:17] <freetown> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20080707/on-changelog-20080616.html
[10:02:45] <freetown> something about libaudio not being delivered to customers...with reference to on93...
[10:03:26] <Gman> freetown: looks like it *should* be available in /usr/openwin/lib
[10:03:37] <freetown> oops...should be here: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6709321
[10:04:17] *** sriram has joined #opensolaris
[10:04:40] <freetown> anyway, thnx
[10:04:45] <freetown> gotta go
[10:04:50] *** freetown has left #opensolaris
[10:05:19] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris
[10:07:13] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[10:08:57] <lkthomas> I have been reading docs for two days
[10:09:07] *** den_sk has joined #opensolaris
[10:09:14] <lkthomas> and I want to ask if AVS could be mirror between two diff size of node ?
[10:09:15] <e^ipi> that's a good start
[10:09:51] <lkthomas> e^ipi, any comment ?
[10:10:22] *** den_sk has left #opensolaris
[10:10:22] <e^ipi> presumably, though you would lose the "extra" space in favour of the smaller of the two
[10:10:49] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[10:10:50] <lkthomas> is it going to "loss" or it will notify me when one size is getting full ?
[10:12:48] <Gman> hrm, weird, couldn't find libaudio on sxce either
[10:12:51] <e^ipi> no, i'm assuming that it would just use the smaller of the two
[10:14:22] * e^ipi wonders why he's working at 1:15am
[10:14:37] <lkthomas> I see, hmm
[10:14:46] <lkthomas> thx man
[10:14:46] *** linxuz3r has quit IRC
[10:14:57] <lkthomas> you mean me ?
[10:14:58] <lkthomas> or you ?
[10:15:24] <e^ipi> pardon?
[10:15:51] <e^ipi> re: the working thing? I'm bug wrangling right now as well as half paying attention to here
[10:15:51] <lkthomas> e^ipi wonders why he's working at 1:15am <-
[10:16:33] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:17:05] <PerterB> because you love your job so much? ;)
[10:17:13] <lkthomas> LOL, possible
[10:17:22] *** vk5foss has joined #opensolaris
[10:18:03] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris
[10:18:34] <PerterB> I meant e^ipi
[10:18:35] *** kgoetz has quit IRC
[10:18:49] <e^ipi> i do actually
[10:19:02] *** sriram1 has joined #opensolaris
[10:19:11] <PerterB> that's always a plus
[10:19:46] <e^ipi> it does add to it, yes
[10:20:03] <lkthomas> I hate my job :P
[10:20:09] <e^ipi> so get a new one
[10:20:16] <lkthomas> it's 4:20 PM now and I am still working
[10:20:33] <PerterB> I just did get a new one, but I'm still at the "bewildered" phase
[10:20:49] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:20:52] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[10:21:02] <lkthomas> PerterB, do you work as solaris admin or what ?
[10:21:36] <norman> it's 10:20 AM :)
[10:21:50] <lkthomas> which means you need to goto work ?
[10:22:23] <PerterB> lkthomas: nah, but my previous job was solaris architecture/3rd line support
[10:22:33] <lkthomas> so what do you do now
[10:22:54] <Cyrille> hangs out on IRC ;-)
[10:22:59] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:23:04] <PerterB> and download pr0n
[10:23:05] <lkthomas> that can't make a living
[10:23:10] <lkthomas> I see
[10:23:15] <PerterB> you'd be surprised
[10:23:31] <lkthomas> so you are download porn to your RAIDZ2 storage server, and mirror it to somewhere else as well ? :P
[10:23:49] <e^ipi> you can get paid plenty to piss around on IRC
[10:24:18] <lkthomas> LOL :)
[10:24:59] <e^ipi> here's a selection: http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?re=130&cy=us&brd=1&JSNONREG=1&q=unix+system+administrator&jto=on&rad=20&rad_units=miles
[10:25:08] <PerterB> although often they think they're paying you plenty to do something else instead
[10:25:26] *** sriram has quit IRC
[10:25:28] <e^ipi> ;)
[10:25:35] <lkthomas> something else ?
[10:26:05] <e^ipi> lkthomas: making sure the machines are still running
[10:26:13] * e^ipi glances left
[10:26:16] <e^ipi> yep, still running
[10:26:21] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:26:22] <lkthomas> Ability to lift computer equipment up to 50 pounds several times a week.
[10:26:25] <lkthomas> LOL!!
[10:26:30] <lkthomas> http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74624894&JobTitle=UNIX+%2fLinux+Systems+Administrator+%2f+Sr.+Systems+Engineer&q=unix+system+administrator&jto=1&rad=20&rad_units=miles&brd=1&cy=us&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-08-07+12%3a45%3a00&pg=1&seq=3
[10:26:40] <lkthomas> I think I need to do more Gym
[10:27:44] <PerterB> but easy on the steroids there, they do pre-employment drug screening ;)
[10:27:59] <lkthomas> really ?
[10:27:59] <PerterB> anyway, 50 pounds is pretty light compared to real computers
[10:28:00] <e^ipi> pfft
[10:28:00] <lkthomas> grr
[10:28:05] <e^ipi> that's totally illegal in canada
[10:28:07] <PerterB> says so in the advert
[10:28:09] <e^ipi> invasion of privacy and what have you
[10:28:13] <lkthomas> haha
[10:28:26] <e^ipi> i'm serious
[10:28:36] <e^ipi> what you do on the weekend is none of your employer's concern
[10:28:43] *** kgoetz has joined #opensolaris
[10:28:43] <lkthomas> yep
[10:28:49] <lkthomas> e^ipi, are you in canada ?
[10:28:52] <e^ipi> yes
[10:29:07] <lkthomas> which province ?
[10:29:11] <e^ipi> BC
[10:29:30] <lkthomas> actually, is there have any good job for linux engineer in Caanda ?
[10:29:35] <lkthomas> I am thinking to move there
[10:29:37] <PerterB> e^ipi: even safety critical jobs such as train driving, or the armed services?
[10:29:57] <e^ipi> lkthomas: yeah, there's a good share of them, stick around the major cities though
[10:30:06] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:30:12] <e^ipi> PerterB: yes. intoxication on the job is a different thing
[10:30:36] <lkthomas> e^ipi, do you think Canadian company will hire someone from overseas ?
[10:30:49] <PerterB> right... I think they randomly test train drivers here (UK), and I'm ok with that
[10:30:56] <e^ipi> lkthomas: if you're qualified
[10:31:20] <lkthomas> well, tons of people are qualified
[10:31:21] *** jimgris has joined #opensolaris
[10:31:33] <benley> most of them are idiots
[10:31:36] <PerterB> tons of people *think* they're qualified....
[10:31:41] <lkthomas> like me :P
[10:31:52] <e^ipi> lkthomas: you can always try
[10:31:59] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:32:06] <benley> it always seems like there's tons of sysadmins out there, until you actually try to hire a good one
[10:32:22] <lkthomas> yes
[10:32:29] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[10:33:27] <e^ipi> i also think you'd be better off making youself worthwhile to pay relocation expenses and the import hassle if you get some IBM or Sun certs
[10:33:47] <e^ipi> linux users are a dime a dozen and it's hard to make yourself stand out but solaris and AIX admins are a bit more rare
[10:33:58] <lkthomas> right
[10:34:01] <lkthomas> I notice that too
[10:34:09] <benley> I'm not sure I'd want to get stuck in an AIX house :-P
[10:34:15] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:34:19] <lkthomas> solaris is better :)
[10:34:31] <benley> and of course all the aix job listings will call for an aix admin with 300 years experience
[10:34:54] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:34:55] <lkthomas> 300years ?
[10:35:13] <e^ipi> well it is after all IBM, they've been around since the dawn of time
[10:35:19] *** TheK_ has joined #opensolaris
[10:35:33] <benley> yeah, like the people in 1999 who were demanding 8+ years of java experience
[10:35:53] <lkthomas> 8YEARS?!
[10:36:10] <lkthomas> does java ever exists ?
[10:36:23] <benley> maybe that's better written as "in 1997 who were demanding 5+ years of java experience"
[10:36:30] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:36:32] <lkthomas> still stupid
[10:36:55] <e^ipi> eh, i'd apply for them anyways despite being woefully underqualified
[10:37:00] <benley> Sure.
[10:37:08] <benley> especially if the qualifications are nonsensical :)
[10:37:09] <e^ipi> worst that happens is they don't call you back, so whatever
[10:37:49] <lkthomas> heh
[10:38:48] <e^ipi> people are kinna foolish when it comes to things like that, they end up in crappy jobs because they think they're not qualified for the ones they want so they never apply
[10:39:14] <e^ipi> it doesn't put a black mark on you forever if you apply for a job that you're underqualified for
[10:39:20] <lkthomas> yeah
[10:39:20] <benley> sometimes you get a lucky break
[10:39:24] <lkthomas> at least try it
[10:39:28] <lkthomas> yep
[10:40:23] <benley> I got lucky and had the 'men in black' come snatch me from a crappy part-time student job
[10:40:37] *** vk5foss has quit IRC
[10:41:11] <benley> of course, now I'm all Corporate(tm) and shit
[10:43:13] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[10:43:35] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris
[10:44:33] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[10:46:10] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[10:48:18] *** kgoetz has quit IRC
[10:49:39] <PerterB> benley: so now you work for the NSA?
[10:50:29] <benley> heh, no
[10:51:46] <PerterB> but that's exactly what you'd say if you *did* work for the NSA!
[10:52:52] <e^ipi> he has a point
[10:53:12] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:53:18] <benley> and what if I said "yes, I work for the NSA"?
[10:53:23] <benley> wouldn't that mean I was probably lying/
[10:53:24] <benley> ?
[10:53:38] <PerterB> yes
[10:53:39] <trochej> benley: Nope. But we would be supposed to assume that you lie.
[10:53:39] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris
[10:53:40] <trochej> :)
[10:54:28] <benley> this quickly becomes a Schroedinger's Cat conundrum
[10:54:37] *** dsch04 has quit IRC
[10:57:13] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:00:20] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[11:01:41] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[11:02:28] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[11:06:05] *** lesterc has quit IRC
[11:08:04] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris
[11:09:26] *** dnm has quit IRC
[11:10:37] *** neoxed_ has quit IRC
[11:10:44] <TomJ> anyone know if there's been any progress on updating FLAR to work with zones, or any plans for this?  Not necessarily to actually include the zones in the FLAR, but just not breaking would be nice
[11:13:02] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris
[11:13:06] *** jimgris has left #opensolaris
[11:20:02] *** yoursdai has quit IRC
[11:20:54] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[11:23:00] *** libkeiser has quit IRC
[11:25:08] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris
[11:29:57] *** JoergB has quit IRC
[11:33:13] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris
[11:33:16] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:33:54] *** RElling has quit IRC
[11:38:00] *** photon_chac has quit IRC
[11:44:25] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris
[11:48:46] *** FallenHi1okiri has joined #opensolaris
[11:52:43] <dsch04> Morning guys
[11:52:51] <dsch04> Anyone got any experience with zfs recovery?
[11:53:57] *** FallenHi1okiri has quit IRC
[11:54:33] *** anil1 has quit IRC
[11:55:51] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris
[11:56:45] *** axisys has quit IRC
[12:00:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta
[12:00:54] *** Ma1 has quit IRC
[12:02:05] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[12:03:25] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris
[12:04:27] *** FallenHitokiri has quit IRC
[12:07:12] *** myrkraverk` has quit IRC
[12:10:21] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[12:18:57] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:19:28] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:20:55] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:21:33] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[12:21:44] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:22:04] *** Cyrille has quit IRC
[12:22:07] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris
[12:22:17] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris
[12:22:51] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:23:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:24:12] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:24:43] <_mary_kate_> which of the S10 manuals describes how to add a printer?
[12:24:59] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:25:16] <_mary_kate_> oh, there's an entire manual for it... fun
[12:25:48] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:27:43] *** zoranoth has quit IRC
[12:30:02] *** derchris has quit IRC
[12:30:07] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[12:31:12] *** RElling1 has quit IRC
[12:34:48] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:35:23] *** dunc_ has quit IRC
[12:36:24] *** [Gandhi] has quit IRC
[12:39:21] *** _Auralis has quit IRC
[12:46:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:47:03] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:49:28] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:50:16] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:51:18] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris
[12:51:37] *** masta has quit IRC
[12:51:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:52:42] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[12:53:34] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[12:57:09] *** masta has joined #opensolaris
[13:01:54] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris
[13:05:48] *** dsch04_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:06:10] *** derchris has quit IRC
[13:06:15] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[13:06:32] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[13:16:55] *** dsch04 has quit IRC
[13:18:42] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[13:21:43] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris
[13:23:53] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[13:25:01] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris
[13:25:47] *** snake007uk has joined #opensolaris
[13:28:55] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[13:29:04] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris
[13:30:50] *** sriram1 has quit IRC
[13:31:36] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris
[13:35:48] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[13:39:36] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris
[13:41:34] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[13:58:37] *** charlie_lab has joined #opensolaris
[13:59:20] <charlie_lab> hi folks, i've just installed SXCE97 on a lenovo t61, after 1st trying the stable release ... for some reason apps are very slow to start ... would anyone have an idea of what might casue this ?
[14:00:58] <Stric> try as root: fc-cache -v
[14:02:57] <charlie_lab> thanks, will do
[14:08:42] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris
[14:12:36] <charlie_lab> mm, it doesn't seem to have helped, unless a rebott is required
[14:15:56] <charlie_lab> perhaps i mess up the install somehow
[14:16:53] <charlie_lab> one difference i noted was that i wsn;t aksed for a host name or to add a user, during the install ... would that be normal ?
[14:17:48] *** photon_chac has quit IRC
[14:19:04] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[14:21:49] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[14:24:20] *** chendy has quit IRC
[14:31:02] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH
[14:38:06] <houst0n-> charlie_lab: What's your pc doing while this is happening? Have you tried running vmstat or dtrace or something at the same time to see what the problem is?
[14:41:06] *** _Auralis has joined #opensolaris
[14:43:54] <charlie_lab> houst0n-: not really, i wasn't sure how to diagnose the problem :/ ... i'm re-installing atm, and will try vmstat & dtrace when it completes ... thank you
[14:44:41] <charlie_lab> (the cpu indicator in  the panel, didn;t show much activity though)
[14:48:50] *** zenbalrog has left #opensolaris
[14:49:31] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[14:52:49] *** vi has joined #opensolaris
[14:55:33] *** Burn has quit IRC
[14:56:20] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC
[15:01:55] *** Burn has joined #opensolaris
[15:06:53] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris
[15:19:48] *** CIA-25 has quit IRC
[15:22:06] <webar7> hmm best way to dual boot freebsd and opensolaris
[15:22:07] *** mikl has quit IRC
[15:22:29] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris
[15:22:37] <webar7> opensolaris "comes with" grub n'est-ce pas?
[15:22:56] <Okona> c'est vrai
[15:23:00] <webar7> grub is a good boot loader
[15:23:14] <webar7> Okona, merci infiniment :)
[15:23:29] <Okona> webar, just remember to use the grub from opensolaris
[15:23:39] <Okona> webar7: de rien
[15:23:47] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[15:24:11] <webar7> ah d'accord je pense qu'il y a une version linux deja sur le disque
[15:24:35] <Okona> then config the linux version in the opensolaris grub
[15:24:45] <webar7> m?me si il s'agit d'un syst?me bsd
[15:24:47] <webar7> ok
[15:24:52] <Okona> opensolaris grub has the necessary zfs support which the other ones lack
[15:24:55] <webar7> c'est beau :)
[15:24:57] <webar7> tnx
[15:25:14] <Okona> np
[15:25:20] <webar7> now to try to share a zfs partition between them :-P
[15:25:23] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:26:14] <Okona> that should not be too great a problem, just pay attention to the different zfs and zpool versions and create the pool with the lowest of these
[15:30:40] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris
[15:33:14] *** FallenHitokiri has joined #opensolaris
[15:37:55] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris
[15:37:55] *** snake007uk has quit IRC
[15:39:47] *** mikl_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:42:50] *** CIA-25 has joined #opensolaris
[15:46:16] *** surlyjake has joined #opensolaris
[15:56:38] *** rmesta has joined #opensolaris
[15:56:40] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[15:58:24] <charlie_lab> just on 20 secs to start a terminal from the desktop ... can that be right ?
[15:58:34] *** surlyjake has left #opensolaris
[15:59:13] <charlie_lab> during start, the system monitor shows no apps using any significant cpu
[16:02:12] *** vi has quit IRC
[16:05:24] *** Wez has joined #opensolaris
[16:11:30] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC
[16:13:25] *** _william_ has quit IRC
[16:14:20] *** jgracin has quit IRC
[16:14:36] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[16:15:42] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[16:24:34] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[16:26:00] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC
[16:26:13] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris
[16:29:16] *** netj has quit IRC
[16:30:12] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[16:30:33] *** netj has quit IRC
[16:30:50] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris
[16:32:07] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[16:32:44] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[16:35:12] *** Dar has quit IRC
[16:36:34] *** syamajala2 has joined #opensolaris
[16:36:35] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris
[16:40:45] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[16:41:12] *** div8 has quit IRC
[16:42:06] *** netj has quit IRC
[16:43:00] *** dunc_ has quit IRC
[16:43:14] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[16:44:13] *** netj has quit IRC
[16:44:48] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[16:45:14] <charlie_lab> um, where is the package manager gui or synaptic in sxce97 ?
[16:45:59] <Stric> synaptic is debian/ubuntu.. the package manager gui you probably are referring to is the thing from OpenSolaris 2008.xx? It's not in sxce
[16:46:17] <Stric> osol2008 and sxce aren't using the same packaging system
[16:46:39] <Stric> (ok, osol2008 has support for the "sxce" one as well, but it's not the primary)
[16:47:27] <charlie_lab> ah, what would i use to check for package updates ?
[16:48:29] <Stric> you download sxce98 when it comes out
[16:48:39] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:48:52] <charlie_lab> ah, i see :) ... sorry for the newb q's :/
[16:50:08] <Stric> osol2008 is easier to update
[16:51:38] *** phimic has quit IRC
[16:54:23] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[16:54:44] *** lloop has joined #opensolaris
[16:55:15] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[16:55:29] *** Tuxofred has joined #opensolaris
[16:55:32] <Tuxofred> Hello
[16:55:34] <lloop> I have an NFS service that is in maintenance, how do I bring it back online?
[16:55:44] <Tuxofred> how to boot with a ps2/keyboard (live cd)
[16:55:52] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC
[16:56:15] <lloop> svcadm restart network/nfs/server does not work
[16:56:31] <oxygene> lloop: svcadm clear network/nfs/server first?
[16:56:37] <oxygene> to drop the maintenance status
[16:57:59] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris
[16:59:25] <ShadowHntr> i gotta remember that one
[16:59:26] <ShadowHntr> thanks oxygene
[16:59:28] <lloop> thx oxygene
[16:59:30] <ShadowHntr> :)
[16:59:44] <lloop> what would cause nfs to go into maintenance?
[17:00:00] <lloop> using it to share raidz nfs
[17:00:05] <lloop> *zfs
[17:00:37] *** Tekni has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:08] *** TheK_ has quit IRC
[17:01:08] *** derchris has quit IRC
[17:01:13] <Aria> Check the log?
[17:01:24] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:53] <Tuxofred> how to boot live-cd with a ps2/keyboard?
[17:03:54] *** calumb is now known as calAFK
[17:06:23] <Stric> Tuxofred: what are you asking really? in what way is the type of keyboard relevant for booting a live cd?
[17:06:55] *** derchris has quit IRC
[17:07:09] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[17:07:19] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris
[17:07:32] *** gerard13 has quit IRC
[17:07:34] <Tuxofred> Stric> when i boot the .iso.. i can use a ps2 keyboard
[17:07:37] <Tuxofred> can't
[17:08:10] <Stric> but it works with an usb keyboard?
[17:08:24] <Stric> sounds like weird bios or so
[17:08:26] <Tuxofred> Stric> i don't have an usb keyboard..
[17:08:28] *** Kimloc has joined #opensolaris
[17:09:40] <Stric> Tuxofred: I would say that your computer is weird.. opensolaris works with a ps/2 keyboard
[17:10:27] <Tuxofred> Stric> I can't boot ;-)
[17:10:33] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris
[17:10:47] <Stric> and others can
[17:11:00] <Tuxofred> Stric> the menu to choose the keyboard layout.. i saw "usb keyboard"
[17:11:23] <Stric> try English or whatever you want to use
[17:11:33] * Stric has to go now. *pof*
[17:12:22] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:13:16] <Tuxofred> Stric> i can't choose because i don't have an usb keyboard
[17:13:37] *** Tekni has quit IRC
[17:16:51] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[17:16:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[17:18:47] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC
[17:19:02] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:19:22] *** sartek has quit IRC
[17:20:14] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris
[17:20:44] *** derchris has quit IRC
[17:20:54] <evocallaghan> Hey
[17:21:05] <evocallaghan> Anyone know how to force the kernel to free up some RAM
[17:22:48] <evocallaghan> ZFS is eatten up RAM and Intels dont handle IO all that well
[17:22:53] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[17:22:58] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris
[17:23:08] <evocallaghan> I would like a avoid a reboot :p
[17:23:11] <asyd> well, I know you can limit the amout of memory that arc (zfs) can use
[17:23:23] <evocallaghan> yea, sure I know all about that
[17:23:26] <asyd> but I don't know if that will free some existing RAM used by zfz
[17:23:31] *** derchris^ has quit IRC
[17:23:42] <evocallaghan> But all I want to do is force the kernel to free up RAM ?
[17:25:31] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC
[17:25:47] *** stux|away is now known as stux\work
[17:26:01] *** stux\work is now known as stux|work
[17:27:04] <TomJ> Why is it a problem that ZFS is using the RAM?  It's meant to relinquish it if anything needs it
[17:27:09] *** jbasse has left #opensolaris
[17:28:02] *** fr4g has quit IRC
[17:28:15] *** Tekni has joined #opensolaris
[17:30:53] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:31:21] *** calAFK is now known as calumb
[17:31:32] *** derchris has quit IRC
[17:31:40] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[17:31:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[17:32:00] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[17:32:50] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: but his intels don't handle i/o!
[17:33:08] <_mary_kate_> his thorough benchmarking of system performance characteristics shows that all that i/o is the bottleneck in his application
[17:34:56] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[17:35:04] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris
[17:36:20] *** mikl_ has quit IRC
[17:37:38] <lloop> my nfs service went into maintenance and the log says "Stopping because process dumped core."
[17:37:49] <lloop> Where do I go from that?
[17:37:56] <postwait> lloop: ain't pretty is it?
[17:38:01] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:38:01] <postwait> svcadm clear nfs
[17:38:02] <lloop> no
[17:38:05] <lloop> yes
[17:38:12] <lloop> I've got it up and running again
[17:38:21] <lloop> now trying to track the source of the issue
[17:38:29] <postwait> And you can optionally export the nfs manifest and add a section to ignore core-dumps, reimport.
[17:38:37] <postwait> That will make it not go into maintenance mode.
[17:38:55] <postwait> For port-mortem...
[17:39:08] <postwait> look for a core, if none exist and it is repeatable, attach a debugger to the process and "wait"
[17:39:14] <postwait> when it dies get a backtrace.
[17:39:15] <evocallaghan> I'll think your find that ZFS is rather slow to release RAM when the system needs it
[17:39:18] <sickness> is sunfreeware.com down?
[17:39:34] <asyd> works from here
[17:39:39] <sickness> uhm
[17:39:51] <evocallaghan> In particular, when you load get more io intensive apps
[17:39:55] <evocallaghan> Such as VM's
[17:42:09] *** Tuxofred has left #opensolaris
[17:43:01] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC
[17:43:25] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[17:44:15] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:44:19] <lloop> how painful is the upgrade process from snv72 to indiana?
[17:44:32] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:44:48] <lloop> I can take the machine offline to do it
[17:45:16] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris
[17:45:31] <timsf> There is no supported upgrade process.
[17:45:41] *** twisti is now known as twisti_work
[17:45:41] <timsf> Edp wrote up a hack on how to do it though.. never tried it myself
[17:46:04] *** TomJ has quit IRC
[17:46:06] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/edp/entry/moving_from_nevada_and_live
[17:47:26] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris
[17:48:52] *** Tekni has quit IRC
[17:50:06] <lloop> I'd be ok wiping out my OS partition, I just need to make sure my ZFS stuff sticks around
[17:50:24] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[17:50:25] <lloop> is the recommended method to backup and reimport?
[17:51:17] <postwait> I just run zetaback on another host in my netowrk.
[17:51:18] *** netj has quit IRC
[17:51:27] <postwait> Then I never worry about backups.
[17:51:45] <lloop> I'm already doing a send/recv offsite
[17:52:00] <lloop> but importing 1TB over the WAN isn't really an option
[17:52:09] <postwait> it is over the LAN.
[17:52:32] <postwait> We have a 7TB store running zetaback... backups all machines on the network
[17:52:39] <postwait> Even my Mac (which has the ZFS beta on it)
[17:52:42] *** tomj_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:52:56] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:54:15] <lloop> In theory, if I wiped my existing Nevada partition and installed Indiana, I could just reconnect to the disks holding my zpool?
[17:54:43] <postwait> should work perfectly.
[17:55:01] <postwait> zpool export <poolname> before you wipe
[17:55:15] <postwait> And then when you are done installing indiana, just connect the drives and zpool import <poolname>
[17:55:35] <lloop> then reconfigure sharing or that stays with zfs?
[17:55:50] <postwait> That should stay -- It's a property on the zfs
[17:56:16] *** fr4g__ has joined #opensolaris
[17:56:16] <postwait> (haven't tried the NFS part personally)
[17:58:59] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:59:21] <lloop> think I'll send to USB external just to have an onsite backup
[17:59:40] <lloop> in addition to export/import my original disks
[17:59:53] <lloop> do you recommend pulling the original disks during install?
[18:01:53] *** jfisc has quit IRC
[18:02:58] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[18:03:18] *** rtc has joined #opensolaris
[18:04:02] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC
[18:04:33] *** tomocha6 has joined #opensolaris
[18:05:19] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris
[18:05:52] *** TomJ has quit IRC
[18:05:56] *** tomj_ is now known as TomJ
[18:07:36] <rtc> Hi, I am trying to install sxce under Fedora 9 qemu. but when I try to install it, it gets stuck right after booting, with "WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1,1/ide@1 (ata1): abort request, target=0 lun=0
[18:08:02] <rtc> right after booting = after choosing 1. Solaris Interactive (default)
[18:08:43] <TomJ> why not use virtualbox or vmware instead
[18:09:10] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC
[18:09:10] <rtc> well, I have the fedora system at hands
[18:10:02] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC
[18:10:03] <TomJ> I expect you'll have more luck with Virtualbox. It's owned by Sun now, so (Open)Solaris support is big on its requirements
[18:10:27] <rtc> can I use it on fedora?
[18:10:47] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris
[18:11:32] <rtc> hrm...
[18:11:33] <rtc> # rpm -i http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.0.0/VirtualBox-2.0.0_36011_fedora9-1.i386.rpm
[18:11:33] <rtc> error: skipping http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.0.0/VirtualBox-2.0.0_36011_fedora9-1.i386.rpm - transfer failed - Unknown or unexpected error
[18:11:33] <rtc> warning: u 0x810a1e8 ctrl 0x817bc68 nrefs != 0 (download.virtualbox.org http)
[18:11:41] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[18:12:35] <lloop> can anybody with experience estimate how long it would take me to send/recv a 700GB zfs store to USB2.0?
[18:12:48] <Tempt> two or three
[18:13:11] <TomJ> Tempt: is that metric?
[18:13:13] <Tempt> years.
[18:13:28] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[18:13:44] <lloop> :P
[18:16:02] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC
[18:16:51] <kohju> Hmm, i tried Google Chrome on Solaris using wine.
[18:17:10] <Tempt> And how did that work out?
[18:17:38] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:17:55] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC
[18:18:13] <cmihai> Yeah, I reckon I'd need a couple bottles myself to attempt running Chrome.
[18:18:19] *** Pietro_S_ has quit IRC
[18:18:24] *** thezerox has joined #opensolaris
[18:18:45] <Tempt> cmihai: Bottles of what? Bleach?
[18:19:22] <cmihai> I think that will do, yeah.
[18:19:54] <Tempt> I wasn't impressed with Chrome
[18:20:21] <cmihai> Quite buggy, not really portable and Firefox inside.
[18:20:34] <smtms> it's WebKit inside
[18:20:38] <Tempt> That supposedly fantastic new JavaScript engine just didn't work with *any* of the web apps I care about, either.
[18:20:39] <cmihai> Plus google's shitty policy of not really being open.
[18:21:00] <cmihai> And the name sucks. Reminds me of Mozilla Chrome
[18:21:02] <smtms> unless Firefox have thrown out Gecko, Chrome's not Firefox inside
[18:21:12] <oxygene> chrome is webkit based, yes
[18:21:19] <cmihai> Not just webkit
[18:21:23] <cmihai> It's got mozilla bits too.
[18:21:27] <oxygene> chrome: testsuite
[18:21:32] *** rtc has quit IRC
[18:21:47] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[18:22:04] <oxygene> cmihai: "not really being open".. hmm.. that reminds me of..
[18:22:39] <Tempt> The GPL?
[18:22:44] * Tempt ducks
[18:22:51] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:22:59] <cmihai> heh
[18:23:00] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:23:01] <oxygene> Tempt: sun?
[18:23:19] <cmihai> I love how Google attempts to make it sound small
[18:23:27] <cmihai> And only offers downloads of that 400k binary downloader
[18:23:37] <cmihai> (that gets another 50-60 megs for good measure)
[18:23:41] <kohju> several crash using wine.
[18:23:49] <cmihai> Same with the source, no tarballs to hide a massive 400MB
[18:23:53] <Tempt> oxygene: Nah, my line was funnier. Maybe next time, hey?
[18:24:02] <oxygene> Tempt: maybe
[18:24:17] <oxygene> cmihai: I have the whole repository here - 615mb
[18:24:37] <kohju> I wrote the document for install. https://kohju.justplayer.com/~kohju/diary_2008-09-10.html#feb73662
[18:24:45] <kohju> now :D
[18:24:52] <cmihai> oxygene: my bad :-). 615, heh.
[18:25:06] <oxygene> cmihai: that includes all the history
[18:25:28] <Tempt> oxygene: Besides, there are better targets .. like the Fruit Company
[18:25:58] <cmihai> For all I know google I'm surprised they're even making a Linux port
[18:26:08] <oxygene> cmihai: hmm.. might be android-related
[18:26:11] <cmihai> The only reason this is open source is IE 8 coming out and hitting their profits
[18:26:29] <cmihai> And they're restricted by licenses of the components they integrated.
[18:26:30] <kohju> oops need password.
[18:26:48] <cmihai> They usually go about just running the stuff with wine on Loonix.
[18:26:59] <kohju> it. http://kohju.justplayer.com/diary_2008-09-10.html#feb73662
[18:26:59] <smtms> kohju, here, have one
[18:27:58] <Tempt> Besides, we have Opera, which is obviously better.
[18:28:05] <cmihai> Yep.
[18:30:16] *** hajma__ has quit IRC
[18:31:37] *** fr4g__ has quit IRC
[18:32:14] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris
[18:34:32] *** dudz has joined #opensolaris
[18:34:54] <kohju> Oops crash..(Chrome)
[18:35:25] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris
[18:37:05] *** wms has joined #opensolaris
[18:37:07] <smtms> kohju, you know, only one tab crashes, all the rest stay alive ;-)
[18:38:10] <cmihai> That's because it uses a separate process for tabs. It's basically multiple browsers.
[18:38:13] <kohju> yeah, it's good. but sometime wine crashs.... :D
[18:39:05] <e^ipi> cmihai: i still maintain that that's an idiotic waste of resources
[18:39:10] <e^ipi> pthread_create() <3
[18:39:45] <oxygene> e^ipi: depends on the amount of shared data - code is shared between processes, too
[18:39:49] <smtms> e^ipi, what protection does pthread_create give you?
[18:40:00] <oxygene> otherwise, unixy shell scripting would be an idiotic waste of resources, too
[18:40:24] <e^ipi> oxygene: unless you use ksh93, which has enough builtins to avoid fork/exec
[18:40:54] <Tempt> cat | cat | cat | cat
[18:42:40] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[18:43:24] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[18:44:57] <dudz> test
[18:45:21] <Tempt> fail
[18:45:32] <kohju> echo $?
[18:45:44] <dsch04_> EVening guys - anyone got any experience of recovering zfs?
[18:45:49] <smtms> echo's a builtin, $? is in shell's memory
[18:46:04] * dsch04_ is drinking in last-ditch saloon...
[18:46:11] *** dsch04_ is now known as dsch04
[18:46:22] <kohju> :)
[18:46:28] *** dudz has left #opensolaris
[18:46:28] *** Erwann has quit IRC
[18:50:07] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris
[18:51:36] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris
[18:58:46] *** calumb has quit IRC
[18:59:53] *** spike_ has quit IRC
[19:00:54] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[19:02:26] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris
[19:02:51] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris
[19:03:31] <dsch04> I guess the answer to my question is "no" then?
[19:05:05] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[19:06:08] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[19:06:12] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:08:17] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris
[19:09:14] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[19:09:34] *** bahumbug has quit IRC
[19:13:19] <codestr0m> anyone in here been using tcsh for a while? I have a specific question about i-search-back... after you find the command you want.. I'd like in one key command to go to the end of the line
[19:13:30] <codestr0m> if you press tab your cursor is at the front
[19:13:58] <codestr0m> if you try a bound key.. it's just printed unescaped [1;5C for example
[19:14:40] <codestr0m> I'd just switch over to vi-search-back, but I've yet to really figure out how to be productive with it
[19:17:16] *** miamano has quit IRC
[19:17:27] *** miamano has joined #opensolaris
[19:24:50] *** radatin has joined #opensolaris
[19:27:55] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris
[19:28:50] *** timsf has quit IRC
[19:29:44] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[19:38:14] *** fr4g__ has joined #opensolaris
[19:38:36] *** radatin has quit IRC
[19:38:36] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[19:38:50] *** radatin has joined #opensolaris
[19:40:52] *** Aria has quit IRC
[19:41:14] *** fr4g__ has quit IRC
[19:41:40] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris
[19:41:53] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[19:42:07] *** scimmia has joined #opensolaris
[19:45:17] *** anilg has quit IRC
[19:46:38] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC
[19:48:56] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC
[19:49:23] <Mazon> what is the naming convention wrt to .so files and 32bit, 64bit & sparc ?
[19:56:44] *** rtc has joined #opensolaris
[19:56:56] <rtc> How do I run cde on the current sxce?
[19:57:43] *** infinity_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:57:48] <infinity_> umm ..can you do a recursive clone?
[19:57:52] <infinity_> i just did a clone, but all the sub volumes are empty directories. hmm
[19:58:38] <cmihai> rtc: it's not removed, it's just not in the dtlogin or gdm menus.
[19:58:51] <cmihai> rtc: read alanc's message when he removed it.
[19:59:16] <rtc> cmihai: where do I find it? sorry, I'm new to solaris (except years ago I once used it on a workstation)
[19:59:22] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc
[19:59:29] <cmihai> Just add dtsession
[19:59:49] <rtc> I mean where do I find alanc's message?
[20:00:03] <cmihai> "opy the Xresources
[20:00:03] <cmihai> file from /usr/dt/config/$LANG/ to /etc/dt/config/$LANG/ and uncomment
[20:00:04] <cmihai> the Dtlogin*altDt lines.
[20:00:05] <alanc> rtc: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/2008-May/013892.html
[20:00:08] <cmihai> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/2008-May/013892.html
[20:00:12] <cmihai> Ah.
[20:00:27] * cmihai smacks UNIX paste.
[20:00:30] <alanc> it's not removed completely...yet
[20:00:40] <cmihai> Ah well. It had a good run.
[20:01:01] <alanc> a few bits already are gone (sdtimage, sdtfontadm off the top of my head)
[20:01:20] *** vmlemon__ has joined #opensolaris
[20:01:21] <infinity_> anyone know about recursive clones?
[20:01:40] <cmihai> Still wish it would be kept as a lightweight alternative to GNOME and for backward compatibility reasons.
[20:01:48] <cmihai> At least dtterm, dtksh and the motif libs.
[20:02:01] <alanc> dtksh & Motif libs are supposed to stay
[20:02:09] <alanc> for binary compatibility
[20:02:19] <rtc> are older sxce builds still avaialble will with CDE?
[20:02:21] <cmihai> What about dtterm?
[20:02:26] <alanc> but lawyers still need to be wrangled to get those into opensolaris builds
[20:02:41] <cmihai> rtc: CDE is still there mate. In all builds.
[20:02:45] <alanc> no plan for dtterm, since there's no compatibility reason and there's xterm & gnome-terminal
[20:02:54] <rtc> cmihai: sure, I mean sdtimage, for example.
[20:03:11] <cmihai> alanc: well, there is the TERMCAP entries
[20:03:33] <cmihai> Is urxvt included yet?
[20:03:47] <alanc> rtc: no, those came out long enough ago that the SXCE builds with them in are gone - usually only the last two or three SXCE builds are available for download
[20:04:03] <cmihai> TERM=dtterm usually works for most stuff. There is no xterm-color entry iirc.
[20:04:11] <alanc> TERMCAP is ON - don't think they'll delete the dtterm termcap entry for a couple of decades
[20:04:30] <alanc> cmihai: xterm-color was added a year ago or so
[20:04:41] <rtc> alanc: ok... well, thanks for your help
[20:05:08] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[20:05:38] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[20:06:30] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6512285 xterm-color: Unknown terminal type needs to be bundled with Solaris , Fixed In: snv_62
[20:07:22] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[20:07:26] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:09:36] *** chubs_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:10:25] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris
[20:10:27] *** chubs_ has quit IRC
[20:11:59] *** chubs_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:14:13] *** vmlemon__ has quit IRC
[20:14:28] *** FurnaceBoy has joined #opensolaris
[20:17:37] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[20:18:42] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[20:21:44] *** jcookeman_ has quit IRC
[20:22:02] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:22:14] *** fr4g has quit IRC
[20:23:37] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC
[20:24:24] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris
[20:26:51] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[20:30:43] *** dnm has joined #opensolaris
[20:30:44] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away
[20:30:46] <RavenSlay3r> Any one have problems with the SunStudio Express Debugger?
[20:31:13] <RavenSlay3r> I can 'Run' my program but if i try to 'Debug' it, the debugger dies instantly.
[20:31:33] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris
[20:31:50] <RavenSlay3r> java.lang.Error: glue: panic: GlueServerSocket.address(): no address for 'localhost'?
[20:33:15] *** z-row has joined #opensolaris
[20:35:14] *** chubs has quit IRC
[20:36:15] *** z-row has quit IRC
[20:37:20] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:37:52] *** z-row has joined #opensolaris
[20:41:57] *** Gnu_Raiz has joined #opensolaris
[20:43:03] *** Tekni has joined #opensolaris
[20:43:09] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris
[20:44:12] <z-row> Is anyone running a OpenSolaris domU on a Linux dom0? I'm having a problem with gui-install not recognizing the virtual disk. format sees it just fine and I can even create a zfs pool on it.
[20:45:00] <e^ipi> that's backwards...why would you virtualize the good OS ?
[20:45:07] <z-row> heh
[20:45:44] <z-row> cause I (humbly) consider myself a Linux guru but a Solaris n00b :)  So I'll use what I know for the dom0 and learn on the domU
[20:46:20] <codestr0m> z-row: ut oh.. you're new around here :) free advise.. don't mention the L* word around here ;)
[20:46:34] <codestr0m> advice*
[20:46:52] <Macabee> lol
[20:47:18] <norman> what happens if someone mentiones the L* word?
[20:47:35] <postwait> z-row: likley the gui installer needs to understand disk geometry... and that's missing
[20:47:35] <e^ipi> hey, if someone wants to be a masochist that's their problem
[20:48:15] <e^ipi> z-row: there are instructions on how to install a non-hvm domU out there for SXCE
[20:48:20] <e^ipi> i dunno about indiana
[20:48:27] <codestr0m> norman: well.. then you have to read what the solaris elitist have to say :P
[20:48:49] <codestr0m> (even if it is all in good humor or accurate)
[20:48:50] *** Tekni has quit IRC
[20:49:23] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris
[20:49:35] <z-row> e^ipi: currently trying with nevada. Tried 200805, then nv95 and just today nv96.
[20:50:14] <z-row> postwait: is there any way for me to provide the installer with that info? I didn't see any options to pass to the installer besides gtk/gnome related stuff
[20:50:34] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[20:50:53] *** zenbalrog has quit IRC
[20:51:09] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC
[20:51:15] <Gnu_Raiz> maybe someone can humor me, in my grub menu.lst I now have two opensolaris entries, both boot, one is opensolaris-1, the other is opensolaris 200805, both point to the same mount point.
[20:51:33] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[20:52:38] <Gnu_Raiz> both have very similar root commands, the only thing I changed was to add some fedora boot stanza's, which one should be the default, which one would you use?
[20:52:58] <e^ipi> the newer one
[20:53:06] <postwait> z-row: you can write the geometry in the disk label -- though I'm not sure how to do that.  I've had that issue before.
[20:53:06] <e^ipi> probably opensolaris-1
[20:53:44] <Gnu_Raiz> what is the difference, I booted both, and I could not tell the difference.
[20:53:55] <e^ipi> version
[20:53:58] <e^ipi> try uname -a
[20:54:15] <Gnu_Raiz> I believe 200805 is the default one, if I don't input in the grub menu.
[20:54:17] <e^ipi> you may also have programs on one clone that aren't on the other
[20:54:29] <e^ipi> IPS takes a snapshot randomly when you install packages
[20:55:16] <Gnu_Raiz> That might of been the reason, as all I did was add a few packages such as emacs, and blastwave, and sunfree respositories.
[20:56:05] <Gnu_Raiz> still have the syskonnect driver problem as well as the p35 chipset missing driver.
[20:56:35] <Gnu_Raiz> I probably need to file some bug reports, but thought I might ask usenet first, as google comes up with nothing.
[20:57:36] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC
[20:57:58] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[20:58:39] *** anilg has quit IRC
[21:02:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC
[21:03:25] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[21:03:35] *** rtc has quit IRC
[21:05:50] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[21:08:57] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[21:10:20] *** ahe has quit IRC
[21:15:42] *** bastex has quit IRC
[21:26:11] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris
[21:26:56] *** z-row has quit IRC
[21:28:00] <Mazon> building a library - is there no support for joystick on solaris ?
[21:29:11] *** scimmia has quit IRC
[21:29:17] <cmihai> Just USB vibrators.
[21:32:04] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris
[21:32:36] *** Snake007uk has left #opensolaris
[21:42:03] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[21:51:47] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris
[21:52:17] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[21:53:57] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc
[21:54:00] *** lloop has quit IRC
[21:57:21] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC
[21:57:33] <pizdec> bleh i had zfs upgrade and now previous releases 94/95 just reboot - i guess i am stuck with 96 :-(
[21:58:12] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[22:03:17] *** FallenHitokiri has quit IRC
[22:03:32] *** sah-work has quit IRC
[22:03:39] *** __teo__ has joined #opensolaris
[22:04:04] *** wms has quit IRC
[22:04:29] *** dunc has quit IRC
[22:05:39] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[22:06:32] <pizdec> 1412 users on #ubuntu
[22:06:33] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris
[22:07:50] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[22:12:11] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris
[22:16:22] *** GhostDWORD` has joined #opensolaris
[22:16:38] *** _teo_ has quit IRC
[22:20:54] <FurnaceBoy> it's the most popular channel, or was a few months ago
[22:21:02] <FurnaceBoy> on freenode, i mean
[22:22:15] <e^ipi> the ford pinto was a very popular automobile despite it being designed so poorly that it would occasionally explode and kill anyone in the vicinity too
[22:22:33] <e^ipi> i'll leave you to draw your own parallels
[22:24:55] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:24:55] *** dunc has quit IRC
[22:26:13] <jbk> that's not entirely fair
[22:26:23] <jbk> the pinto actually provided a useful function
[22:26:24] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC
[22:26:27] <e^ipi> heh
[22:26:38] <jbk> sorry.. i couldn't resist :)
[22:26:39] <e^ipi> it wasn't very fast, and it exploded randomly
[22:26:56] <e^ipi> and the pinto wasn't that great either
[22:30:04] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[22:30:34] *** gottadoit has quit IRC
[22:31:50] <jbk> i don't suppose someone with access to the solaris 10 source could tell me if usr/common/fs/nfs/nfs4_vnops.c has changed dramatically (in comparison to the latest version in ON)? :)
[22:33:08] <jbk> trying to prove that using directio(3c) is _exactly_ the same as using the forcedirectio mount option (except that directio(3c) allows you to control the behavior on a per-fd basis instead of for anything accessing the mount point)
[22:34:25] *** fr4g__ has joined #opensolaris
[22:36:11] *** mega has quit IRC
[22:36:39] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[22:36:48] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[22:38:42] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:38:46] *** dom has quit IRC
[22:40:28] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris
[22:40:42] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris
[22:41:45] *** mega has quit IRC
[22:42:03] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[22:42:44] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC
[22:44:44] *** derchris has quit IRC
[22:45:43] *** sartek has quit IRC
[22:46:18] *** mega has quit IRC
[22:47:32] *** sergiusens has quit IRC
[22:47:57] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[22:51:38] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris
[22:51:59] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[22:55:25] *** Disorganized_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[22:56:26] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:59:50] *** ___teo___ has joined #opensolaris
[22:59:55] *** AxeZ has quit IRC
[23:01:25] *** asarch has quit IRC
[23:03:03] *** yippi has quit IRC
[23:03:35] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris
[23:04:31] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[23:04:32] *** Disorganized has quit IRC
[23:06:29] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[23:07:36] *** __teo__ has quit IRC
[23:09:23] *** medar has quit IRC
[23:09:49] *** fr4g__ has quit IRC
[23:14:56] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris
[23:16:37] *** GhostDWORD` has quit IRC
[23:20:52] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[23:23:43] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris
[23:27:40] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[23:29:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris
[23:29:42] *** dom has joined #opensolaris
[23:29:53] *** anathematic has joined #OpenSolaris
[23:32:35] *** medar has joined #opensolaris
[23:35:10] *** jgracin has quit IRC
[23:42:50] *** ahe has quit IRC
[23:43:09] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[23:53:22] *** sergiusens has quit IRC
[23:55:19] *** jeremyz has joined #opensolaris
[23:55:46] <jeremyz> zfs + iscsi via windows initiator = "Authorization Failure." - ideas?
[23:56:29] *** SeJo has joined #opensolaris
[23:57:07] <SeJo> i see the zfs pool mounted, and the pool has 200g left, but i always get no space left on the device
[23:57:10] <SeJo> what can i do?
[23:57:24] *** Auriel has joined #opensolaris
[23:57:27] <jeremyz> when you are doing what exactly
[23:57:33] <jeremyz> creating volumes ?
[23:57:44] <SeJo> jeremyz: trying to write something in the mountpoint
[23:58:18] <SeJo> zfs list shows like it should be (mounted one /opt/test) but in op test i cannot create a file
[23:58:30] <SeJo> that is bigger then the size left on /
[23:59:10] <jeremyz> hrm that sounds about liek what one would expect
[23:59:20] <jeremyz> sounds like it might be mounted but you mounted something else over top it?
[23:59:29] <SeJo> how can i see that?
[23:59:31] <jeremyz> (Dunno if thats really possible in solaris like it is in linux)
[23:59:32] <jeremyz> df -h





top