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[00:13:33] <cauco> hello
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[00:19:29] <FurnaceBoy> ola
[00:21:31] <cauco> alguien sabe como configurar el audio de una thinkpad?
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[00:30:46] <seanmcg> cauco, try the OSS drivers from 4front
[00:33:11] <cauco> does it support the intel hdaudio?
[00:34:57] <cauco> in the device driver utility it showit as missconfigured
[00:35:41] <seanmcg> hmm, the bundled audiohd should support that one.
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[00:35:54] <seanmcg> though the OSS do too I think.
[00:36:35] <cauco> so it is possible to do it manually?
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[00:36:57] <seanmcg> do what manually ?  install the OSS drivers ?
[00:37:35] <seanmcg> or run /usr/X11/bin/scanpci, find the device_id and see if its in the /etc/driver_alias file
[00:39:05] <cauco> config the driver
[00:40:00] <seanmcg> ya, start with running the scanpci
[00:40:23] <seanmcg> what model thinpad ?
[00:40:28] <seanmcg> thinkpad even
[00:40:31] <cauco> t60
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[00:41:37] <cauco> also how do i know if i have the x86 or the amd64 version of os intalled?
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[00:41:55] <cauco> cpu its core 2
[00:42:13] <seanmcg> you have both installed
[00:42:41] <seanmcg> what version of solaris you have on it ?
[00:42:50] <cauco> 200805
[00:43:41] <seanmcg> solaris by default installs both a 64bit and a 32bit kernel, one can boot between the,  Though typically if the machine can do 64bit then the grub menu will only show 64bit boot.
[00:43:56] <cauco> ahh
[00:44:52] <cauco> ok i did run scanpci
[00:44:59] <cauco> now what?
[00:45:25] <cauco> i get this Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
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[00:46:05] <seanmcg> whats the device id ?
[00:46:23] <seanmcg> 0x27d8 or similar ?
[00:46:28] <cauco> pci bus 0x0000 cardnum 0x1b function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x27d8
[00:46:55] <seanmcg> think the newer driver here should work for you: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/files/
[00:47:31] <seanmcg> the file; audiohd-2008-08-25.tar.gz
[00:47:46] <seanmcg> thats the same cad in my laptop here and works fine
[00:49:01] <cauco> so how do i install it?
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[00:53:32] <seanmcg> unpack the tarball somewhere, you'll have a few directories, note the obj64 and obj32 ones.  they both have a audiohd file in them
[00:54:07] <seanmcg> the obj64/audiohd would be copied to /kernel/drv/amd64
[00:54:20] <seanmcg> and the obj32/audiohd to /kernel/drv
[00:54:34] <cauco> cool
[00:54:43] <cauco> no compilation
[00:54:54] <seanmcg> though rename the audiohd files that are in those kernel/drv* to back them up.
[00:55:29] <cauco> so  OS have a stable abi
[00:55:48] <seanmcg> has had one forever :)
[00:56:15] <seanmcg> I've seen drivers from solaris 9 work ok on sxce :)
[00:57:06] <jbk> imagine the amount of work that can get done if you don't have to constantly rewrite the drivers
[00:57:09] <jbk> :)
[01:00:28] <cauco> now reboot?
[01:01:38] <seanmcg> rebooting is the easiest, though there are other ways that may work.
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[01:04:01] <cauco> so?
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[01:04:23] <seanmcg> try this then, modinfo | grep audiohd
[01:05:20] <seanmcg> if you don't find audiohd, then just run update_drv, or devfsadm -Cv
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[01:10:34] <cauco> still no audio
[01:10:57] <seanmcg> dmesg | grep audiohd ?
[01:11:32] <cauco> yes it is there
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[01:12:25] <seanmcg> umm, whats it say though ?
[01:12:55] <cauco> 171 fffffffff798c000   8880 236   1  audiohd (HD Audio Driver)
[01:14:06] <seanmcg> thats from modinfo
[01:14:13] <seanmcg> you've rebooted right ?
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[01:14:19] <cauco> not yet
[01:14:46] <seanmcg> try modunload -i 171
[01:15:06] <seanmcg> that will try and unload the driver (or module as its known too)
[01:15:44] <cauco> now?
[01:15:50] <seanmcg> sure
[01:18:48] <cauco> i did try devfsadm -Cv
[01:18:55] <cauco> and still no sound
[01:19:05] <seanmcg> dod you unload the module first ?
[01:19:10] <cauco> yes
[01:19:49] <seanmcg> and anything from dmesg | grep audio ?
[01:20:48] <cauco> various warnings
[01:21:44] <cauco> Sep  7 20:19:30 thinkpadt60 npe: [ID 236367 kern.info] PCI Express-device: pci17aa,2010@1b, audiohd0
[01:21:45] <cauco> Sep  7 20:19:30 thinkpadt60 genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] audiohd0 is /pci@0,0/pci17aa,2010@1b
[01:22:27] <seanmcg> ok it doesn't say it didn't attach
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[01:22:29] <seanmcg> odd
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[01:22:38] <seanmcg> last resort, reboot :}
[01:22:44] <cauco> waaa
[01:22:56] <cauco> do you have a thinkpad?
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[01:23:12] <seanmcg> umm, no, a toshiba.
[01:23:44] <cauco> have this acpi ac device driver missing
[01:24:03] <cauco> so i wont be able to suspend?
[01:25:18] <seanmcg> suspend works for me with this driver.
[01:25:35] <seanmcg> I'd report this on the laptop-discuss mailing list.
[01:26:20] <cauco> do you know why package manager it is so slow?
[01:26:42] <seanmcg> nope, i currently use SXCE
[01:27:20] <cauco> ahh
[01:27:53] <cauco> it is possible to update from os200805 to sxce?
[01:28:32] <seanmcg> 'update' may be the wrong word here :)
[01:28:56] <cauco> transition?
[01:29:09] <seanmcg> but no, they're two different distros.
[01:29:25] <seanmcg> update / regress :)
[01:29:31] <cauco> like dist-upgrade?
[01:30:21] <seanmcg> dist-upgrade ?
[01:32:19] <cauco> something like dist-upgrade
[01:35:20] <seanmcg> for SXCE there is liveupgrade, for os200805 its pkg
[01:35:33] <cauco>   hmmm
[01:36:05] <cauco> i will reboot now
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[01:38:49] <seanmcg> later.
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[03:17:27] <rtc> hello, I would like to try Solaris with CDE, for nostalgic reasons. I used sunos a long time ago on a workstation, but never since. is cde freely available for opensolaris and if yes, is it possible to install opensolaris+cde in some easy way?
[03:18:28] <sickness> I think CDE is not free, you can use it on solaris10, and maybe SXCE (if it has not been removed)
[03:19:03] <rtc> what do you mean by not free, do you mean as in free beer or as in free speech?
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[03:25:05] <rtc> ah, someone has asked the same question here: http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1327
[03:26:04] <rtc> It says that "However, even there CDE has now been disabled so you'll have to root around a little to turn it back on. " -- how do I do that exactly?
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[04:10:02] <e^ipi> rtc: free as in redistributable
[04:10:33] <e^ipi> 2008.05 is all redistributable stuff, SXCE still has wbem, cde and the likes
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[05:15:39] <sardano> Hi for all!
[05:17:08] <sardano> Is Sun Studio 12 included in OpenSolaris 2008.05?
[05:17:56] <e^ipi> no but you can download it
[05:18:37] <sardano> Thanks e^ipi>	!
[05:19:19] <e^ipi> i'm almost certain that the whole IDE kit & caboodle's in the package thing repository
[05:23:35] <sardano> e^ipi: I downloaed two packages "SunStudio12mlPrepSys-solaris-x86-200709.tar.bz2" and "SunStudio12ml-solaris-x86-200709-ii.tar.bz2", is both necessary to install Sun Studio 12 in OpenSolaris 2008.05?
[05:24:01] <e^ipi> no
[05:24:09] <e^ipi> but you can use those too
[05:24:34] <e^ipi> i don't think you need the first one, the second one you can just unpack and use
[05:25:30] <sardano> Is it only, only unpack and use? Is not necessary any additional configuration?
[05:25:59] <sardano> ...like site PATH and something else?
[05:27:15] <sardano> e^ipi?
[05:28:17] <e^ipi> for some values of zero, there's zero configuration
[05:28:27] <e^ipi> but you probably do want to set your PATH
[05:28:51] <sardano> ok
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[05:29:30] <sardano> Do you know if exist some package or CD/DVD to update from 2008.05 to 2008.11?
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[05:31:50] <e^ipi> no, you'd do it via the network
[05:32:30] <sardano> Exists on OpenSolaris something like rpm for manage packages?
[05:33:33] <e^ipi> it's called IPS
[05:34:11] <sardano> Is IPS the name of packege and name of command?
[05:35:26] <sardano> Is IPS the name of packege manager and name of command witch invoques the packagem manager?
[05:36:09] <sardano> Sorry by my English mistakes I am learning...
[05:36:49] <sardano> English is not my native language.
[05:39:25] <sardano> Is it possible write some command or samething else to only download all packages for upgrade my 2008.05 and later put this file on a CD/DVD and upgrade my OpenSolaris to 2008.11?
[05:41:21] <e^ipi> the command is 'pkg'
[05:41:29] <e^ipi> no, you can't do that yet
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[05:47:36] <sardano> last question...
[05:48:41] <sardano> Is gcc pre-installed in OpenSolaris 2008.05?
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[05:49:29] <e^ipi> no
[05:49:38] <e^ipi> but studio is a /much/ better compiler
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[05:50:25] <_mary_kate_> it's not preinstalled but it's in the repo
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[06:35:35] <Gnu_Raiz> anyone using a syskonnect network card?
[06:36:00] <Gnu_Raiz> I had to switch to onboard, as my network card was not recognized.
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[06:36:50] <Gnu_Raiz> I even downloaded the driver and tried to install per instructions, but the driver complained, said something about not being 64 bit compliant.
[06:37:02] <Gnu_Raiz> the hcw says the card is supported.
[06:37:24] <e^ipi> it probably doesn't like the fact that you've got a 64 bit kernel then
[06:38:14] <Gnu_Raiz> I had it running on developers edition, so it should work, this was about a year ago, so I am unsure what has changed.
[06:38:56] <Gnu_Raiz> the driver is from 2006, off the syskonnect site which uses the marvel chip, it is well supported in linux.
[06:39:12] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[06:40:23] <Gnu_Raiz> probably need to file a bug report, I did see a page about it not supporting the plug, and unplug nwam or whatever it is called.
[06:40:55] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[06:40:58] <Gnu_Raiz> that might be what is causing the problem, as the driver asked for static ip information.
[06:41:10] <e^ipi> why would the driver give a crap
[06:41:21] <e^ipi> the installer might've
[06:41:35] <e^ipi> but if that's the case just ignore it
[06:42:01] <Gnu_Raiz> I did, and under the new hardware test, it says misconfigured.
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[06:42:33] <Gnu_Raiz> not a big deal, as I have onboard intel gig port as well.
[06:43:03] <Gnu_Raiz> I just like using the syskonnect, as it was one of the first pci-express cards I have had.
[06:43:31] <Gnu_Raiz> it might be nice to get it configured incase I want to have two ethernet ports.
[06:43:32] <e^ipi> that's a bizzare reason
[06:43:45] <e^ipi> one of my first PCI cards was an NE2k
[06:43:51] <e^ipi> but it's long since been trashed
[06:44:38] <Gnu_Raiz> I do have some intel firewire port, that is not seeing a driver.
[06:45:05] <Gnu_Raiz> put nothing is plugged into it at the moment.
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[06:46:15] <Gnu_Raiz> which is funny, as this is an intel p35 board.
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[08:10:23] <charlie_sol> hi all ... is the md5 sum of the sxce 97 install dvd availiable ? ... i d/l'ed it over night ... it appeared to have d/l'ed properly, but the file size isonly 2gig, whereas the file size mentioned on the d/l site says 2.5 gig
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[08:15:38] <charlie_sol> ah, maybe i should have used the sun download managaer :/
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[08:15:53] * charlie_sol wonders why he always finds these things out *after* the fat
[08:15:58] <charlie_sol> <fact> :)
[08:18:00] <_mary_kate_> you can use any downloader that supports large files (>2GB) - but many don't
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[08:24:28] <charlie_sol> ah, thanks _mary_kate_ ... i used firefox to start the download, i guess it must be one whoich cannot do files over 2 gig :/
[08:24:51] <charlie_sol> would there be any way to resume the download with a 'better' d/l manager ?
[08:25:03] * charlie_sol has a slow bband connection :/
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[08:35:10] <trochej> Coffee
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[09:29:08] <TheK_> This URL should be removed from the topic as it contributes to the confusion: http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/
[09:29:36] <_mary_kate_> that URL has been there since 2005, it can't be removed as it's rusted to the wall
[09:29:41] <TheK_> Following the link to Solaris Express Community Edition I end up at URL not found
[09:29:56] <TheK_> Following the link from www.sun.com I end up at opensolaris.org
[09:30:08] <TheK_> I don't believe what is written on that page ;-)
[09:30:38] * TheK_ hands mary kate some soap and a brush
[09:30:40] <e^ipi> there was a big marketing mess, if you were subscribed to indiana-discuss recently you got a big flood of emails about it
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[09:30:48] <e^ipi> from last year
[09:31:03] <e^ipi> it was ... an unpleasant time ...
[09:31:34] <e^ipi> i don't want to talk about it. i just want some ice cream
[09:31:56] <TheK_> :-) me too.. ice cream would be very nice.
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[09:33:25] * TheK_ is running OpenSolaris... I got it from www.opensolaris.org. I got HW accelerated graphics in my java applets, funky javafx, netbeans, zfs pools, a bunch of pirated codecs, firefox 3, adobe flash, and a working GNU toolchain. I'm happy.
[09:34:12] <e^ipi> try the studio toolchain, it makes better binaries
[09:34:28] <e^ipi> significantly so
[09:34:40] <TheK_> e^ipi: I'm trying with mixed success. I acknowledge that I should try harder.
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[09:36:04] <e^ipi> some open source stuff uses annoying gcc-isms
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[09:39:28] <e^ipi> problems like that i like to refer to as "gnu proprietary"
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[09:39:48] <e^ipi> in as far as the only apps that things like that work on are the GNU apps
[09:40:07] <e^ipi> which, i mean... you may as well use windows if you're going to be locked in by your vendor
[09:40:10] <_mary_kate_> that's not exactly what proprietary means, though.  several other compilers (such as Sun Studio and Intel C/C++) implement gcc extensions, so they can't be all that proprietary
[09:40:30] <e^ipi> /some/ gnu extensions
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[09:42:43] <TheK_> coffee... ice-cream... work...
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[09:47:55] <tsoome> its proprietary untill they will get accepted and implemented by most vendors;)
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[09:50:59] <tsoome> nyone worked with sunray smartcard interfaces lately (pc/sc), opensc and things like that?
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[10:20:02] <lkthomas> hey guys
[10:20:05] <lkthomas> I got a question
[10:20:21] <lkthomas> if I take snapshot everyday
[10:20:39] <lkthomas> does it means I could dig up previous snapshot and recover files which is in the shot ?
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[10:22:08] <trochej> lkthomas: yup
[10:22:13] <e^ipi> yes
[10:22:18] <e^ipi> that's the entire point of snapshots
[10:23:14] <lkthomas> so I just goes into the snapshot dir and see what is inside ?
[10:23:26] <e^ipi> yes
[10:23:27] <e^ipi> that's the entire point of snapshots
[10:23:47] <lkthomas> it looks like apple time machine :P
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[10:24:38] <e^ipi> plenty of people thought TM /was/ zfs
[10:24:45] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:25:05] <lkthomas> but it is actually a version control
[10:25:22] <e^ipi> i guess, in much the same way zfs snaps are
[10:25:41] <lkthomas> actually
[10:25:46] <lkthomas> I am working on version controlling
[10:25:50] <lkthomas> I think ZFS snapshot just fits in
[10:26:09] <e^ipi> well, i meant that in a "not really" sense
[10:26:41] <e^ipi> zfs is a VCS in the same way that backing up is
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[10:27:45] <benley> heh
[10:27:50] <benley> nice analogy
[10:29:04] <e^ipi> if you need version control, use version control
[10:29:10] <e^ipi> svn and hg are stupid easy to set up
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[10:30:22] <e^ipi> and all of what you need for either ships with nevada
[10:30:37] <lkthomas> SVN got problem about encoding
[10:30:48] <lkthomas> I just discuss with our team
[10:30:57] <lkthomas> they seems agree that snapshot will works just fine
[10:31:31] <_mary_kate_> snapshots for version control?  that's pretty lame
[10:31:44] <e^ipi> to hell with the right tool for the job
[10:31:50] <e^ipi> tried HG?
[10:32:58] <e^ipi> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/
[10:33:12] <e^ipi> it's in nevada already
[10:33:18] <e^ipi> ( it's the native VCS for opensolaris )
[10:39:46] <lkthomas> if I don't remember wrong, snapshot don't take any space at all :)
[10:39:49] <lkthomas> so nice to playing around
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[10:43:14] <e^ipi> the only space they take is what has changed
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[10:45:03] <lkthomas> yeah
[10:45:07] <lkthomas> that's the best part, haha
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[10:47:19] <lkthomas> guys
[10:47:22] <lkthomas> does AVS cost money ?
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[10:52:35] <e^ipi> google it
[10:52:39] <e^ipi> for the love of pete...
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[10:53:58] <lkthomas> sorry, I got a simple question, I just create tech@today snapshot
[10:54:04] <lkthomas> how could I see what is inside ?
[10:54:12] <trochej> lkthomas: It's mounted
[10:54:18] <trochej> automaticly IIRC
[10:54:28] <th> cd .zfs/snapshot/
[10:54:29] <e^ipi> it's not actually
[10:54:39] <e^ipi> but you do need to read the manual page to know how to get at it
[10:54:49] <e^ipi> it's right there
[10:54:53] <lkthomas> I see
[10:54:57] <lkthomas> trochej is correct
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[10:55:33] <trochej> lkthomas: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461
[10:55:43] <trochej> lkthomas: The ZFS Administraion Guide
[10:55:48] <trochej> It's fantastic and complete
[10:55:52] <e^ipi> seriously, all these questions can be answered through the maunal
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[10:55:54] <e^ipi> *manual
[10:55:57] <lkthomas> thanks
[10:55:58] <trochej> ammal
[10:56:16] <trochej> lkthomas: Actually I'd recommend visiting docs.sun.com first.
[10:56:17] <trochej> :)
[10:56:20] <e^ipi> you really need to read the man pages at least and the SAG ideally before you ask questions
[10:56:34] <lkthomas> yep
[10:57:16] <e^ipi> you say that, now act on it
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[10:57:27] <e^ipi> next time you have a question, resist the urge to ask it, then go read the man page
[10:57:36] <e^ipi> if you're still lost, come ask
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[10:58:05] <lkthomas> one more question, does AVS is in beta stage ?
[10:58:12] <e^ipi> google
[10:58:15] <lkthomas> k
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[10:58:55] <e^ipi> that's that thing again where you should resist the urge to ask simple questions before researching them
[10:58:58] <e^ipi> at least a little
[10:59:04] <alibb> lkthomas, http://www.bol2riz.com/ :)
[10:59:48] <e^ipi> thank you alibb
[10:59:52] <e^ipi> i like you already.
[11:00:00] <alibb> :)
[11:00:43] <e^ipi> i'd add "jfgi" to the list
[11:00:47] <e^ipi> but that's just me
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[11:03:16] <lkthomas> hmm
[11:03:22] <e^ipi> wait.
[11:03:25] <e^ipi> stop right there.
[11:03:30] <lkthomas> I just want to say, impressive
[11:03:32] <e^ipi> before you even ask what you're about to ask.
[11:03:35] <e^ipi> google.
[11:03:40] <lkthomas> snapshot is impressive
[11:03:51] <lkthomas> really a time machine, haha
[11:05:45] <lkthomas> ok, I got something that can't resolve using google and docs
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[11:06:01] <e^ipi> i'm nearly certain that it can
[11:06:05] <e^ipi> you should check first
[11:06:08] <lkthomas> is it possible to rollback snapshot without remove the "future" snapshot ?
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[11:06:26] <e^ipi> no.
[11:06:35] <lkthomas> hmm
[11:06:44] <e^ipi> ( and yes, that was in the ZFS admin guide )
[11:06:52] <e^ipi> read the thing.
[11:06:54] <e^ipi> read it now
[11:06:56] <lkthomas> so I think I should export snapshot to tape before doing rollback
[11:06:57] <oxygene> hum. you could promote a snapshot to a writable clone, or not?
[11:07:04] <e^ipi> for the love of whatever god you worship , read it
[11:07:10] <lkthomas> clone? what for ?
[11:07:24] <lkthomas> OH
[11:07:31] <lkthomas> I see what you mean oxygene
[11:07:37] <lkthomas> I think you could mount it and clone it ?
[11:07:52] <oxygene> I can't mounts your snapshots, no
[11:08:01] <oxygene> take e^ipi's advice: read the docs
[11:08:13] <e^ipi> seriously.
[11:08:23] <lkthomas> OK man
[11:08:25] <e^ipi> you'll learn a lot just by skimming the ZFS guide
[11:08:31] <lkthomas> right
[11:08:38] <e^ipi> read it in depth, and you'll be a master
[11:08:52] <lkthomas> master of ZFS ? :P
[11:08:59] <e^ipi> yes
[11:09:42] <oxygene> Mastering ZFS - Step 1: read the docs :)
[11:09:55] <e^ipi> they're really quite good
[11:10:05] <e^ipi> the docs team spent a lot of time on them
[11:10:34] <oxygene> sun employs tech writers, and they take great care at writing the docs. so they are generally much better than those of the popular unix clones
[11:11:09] <lkthomas> hmm
[11:11:17] <lkthomas> isn't freebsd docs is good as well ?
[11:11:57] <e^ipi> miles above the GNU stuff, but still can't hold a candle to Sun's docs
[11:12:02] <alibb> outch , lkthomas , u r the kind of guy that never stop ?
[11:12:12] <lkthomas> yep
[11:12:14] <lkthomas> I am :)
[11:12:42] <alibb> so , please spend  ur time in reading ... documents
[11:12:59] <lkthomas> I got another work to do as well than just read docs :)
[11:13:37] <e^ipi> and we have other work to do than answering your simplistic questions that if you'd just take 10 minutes to scan through the docs would save both of us a lot of time
[11:13:47] <lkthomas> K sorry guys
[11:13:50] <e^ipi> so just read the damned manual
[11:13:54] <lkthomas> k
[11:13:59] <alibb> i mean you'll learn faster in reading sun documents
[11:14:07] <e^ipi> if traditional man(1) format doesn't jive with you, use docs.sun.com
[11:14:09] <lkthomas> I am sure :)
[11:14:37] <e^ipi> so then just do it
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[11:15:25] <e^ipi> transform recognition of a problem (not knowing stuff) in to action to solve that problem ( reading stuff )
[11:16:02] <e^ipi> shave that bit of time off the cycle that goes like this: <you> how do i do $x <me> read the manual page <you> okay
[11:16:05] <e^ipi> skip that whole bit
[11:16:14] <e^ipi> just go straight to the man page where i'm going to send you anyways
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[12:20:25] <chandra4> hi can anyone tell me if i can learn solaris administration using open solaris or should i use solaris 10
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[12:22:45] <trygvis> depends
[12:22:54] <TheK_> chandra4: I followed the links on sun.com which points to opensolaris.org. My guess is that all of suns efforts will converge towards this single point of information eventually. :)
[12:22:56] <trygvis> if you're going to use the box as your desktop I would use sxce
[12:23:12] <trygvis> if it just a server, I'd use Solaris
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[12:28:23] <TomJ> hehe 'just a server'
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[13:44:47] <kai`> Hi! Does anyone know what the root password for the text installer is?
[13:47:07] <timsf> which text installer?
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[13:55:26] <TomJ> doesn't it ask you what password you want?
[13:57:46] <th> kai`: Note - If you are prompted to log in to the Live CD, both the user name and password are jack. The root password is opensolaris.
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[15:13:31] <Okona> how can I disable the 'Shut down' menu item in the GNOME 'System' menu?
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[15:25:06] <kai`> timsf: I meant the OpenSolaris text installer.
[15:25:22] <seanmcg> opensolaris kai'
[15:25:36] <timsf> there is no opensolaris text installer yet..
[15:25:41] <timsf> just a graphical one.
[15:25:46] <kai`> th: thanks
[15:25:50] <kai`> Thanks everyone.
[15:25:56] <kai`> I'll try that.
[15:26:22] <kai`> timsf: That's a pity.  I like the original Solaris installer.
[15:26:36] <trochej> kai`: It's work in progress
[15:26:41] <kai`> Ah, ok.
[15:27:53] <kai`> Any tips on using a driver cd?  We have a machine with a raid controller which is not supported out-of-the-box.  With the Solaris installer it's really easy to include the driver from a CD.
[15:28:18] <kai`> We've tried the Device Utility, but never got it to work.
[15:29:29] <jbk> morning
[15:29:56] <kai`> Good afternoon ;)
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[15:45:55] <cypromis> good `insert timezone specific whatever fits your timezone`
[15:46:42] <codestr0m> cypromis: good afternoon
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[15:55:44] <trochej> [d]
[16:00:35] <TheK_> ok.. Im cracking up. How can I have ps who me a wider column ps -www
[16:00:38] <TheK_> ?
[16:01:26] <TheK_> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-3936/6mjgdbvfc?l=sv&a=view&q=ps  kind of indicate that there are many ps-implementations.
[16:01:34] <timsf> ptree
[16:01:37] <timsf> pargs
[16:01:44] <TheK_> ahh
[16:01:47] <TheK_> thanks
[16:02:22] <TheK_> it also chops.
[16:02:35] <timsf> pargs shouldn't?
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[16:03:53] <TheK_> ptree | grep mysqld | awk '{ print $1; }' | xargs pargs -l
[16:03:55] <TheK_> gah! :P
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[16:05:15] <timsf> pargs `pgrep mysqld`
[16:09:26] <TheK_> why? :(
[16:09:34] <TheK_> ps auxwww
[16:09:48] <TheK_> *whine whine
[16:11:07] <TheK_> Also.. I'm tormented with: sol_thread_fetch_registers: td_ta_map_id2thr: no thread can be found to satisfy query
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[16:11:29] <TheK_> Is this a know error in the Solaris - GNU integration project?
[16:11:53] <TheK_> ie gdb croakes when I try to resume from a break point.
[16:12:34] <TheK_> : '(
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[16:17:42] <codestr0m> well. isn't this interesting http://www.gobignetwork.com/jobs/jobDetail_274013.aspx
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[16:23:24] <Okona> any idea why every user can shut down opensolaris (indiana) with Gnome 2.22?
[16:23:35] <Okona> (using system -> shudown)
[16:23:48] <wonko2> e^ipi: about?
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[16:24:58] <TheK_> Okona: This ability seems to occur randomly as well...
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[16:25:24] <TheK_> Okona: I want it, because I use OpenSolaris as a desktop currently.
[16:25:46] <TheK_> But consistent behavior would be preferred even more.
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[16:28:07] <div8> Okona: guess you can configure it ... not sure however which file to edit ...
[16:28:21] <Okona> TheK_: i'm using it here in a lab, where a system should not be shut down (-: I'd like to disable this menu item permanantly, but i did not find the correct option yet
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[16:29:05] <Okona> TheK_: I thought that using rbac the shutdown right can be assigned, and that determines who can use this menu item...
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[16:30:49] <div8> Okona: does this help? ( http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/solaris.html.en )
[16:31:11] <TomJ> How do I change the NFS4 domain on a running system?
[16:31:30] <_mary_kate_> edit /etc/default/nfs and restart, iirc, idmap
[16:32:25] <TomJ> NFSMAPID_DOMAIN ?
[16:32:50] <_mary_kate_> yes
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[16:33:03] <TomJ> that did the trick, thanks
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[16:48:31] <wonko2> hmmm, i wonder if i can dock the laptop while it's suspended
[16:48:32] <wonko2> let's try that
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[16:51:52] <wonko2> hmmm, this time it didn't want to suspend correctly
[16:51:53] <wonko2> bah
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[17:09:16] <jbk> anyone have any idea when the indiana bts iso's will be out?
[17:10:13] <dclarke> what is bts ?
[17:10:23] <jbk> 'back to school'
[17:10:28] <dclarke> oh ..
[17:10:33] <dclarke> no clue .. never heard of it
[17:10:36] <jbk> basically a new iso with a bunch of the more horrid bugs fixed
[17:10:41] <dclarke> ha
[17:10:45] <dclarke> anyone know if it is now impossible to use wget  to fetch the Solaris 10 CD/DVD images agian ?
[17:11:30] <houst0n-> dclarke: wget-from-cds not working?
[17:11:55] <dclarke> all this foo http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/e... blah blah blah does not work
[17:12:17] <dclarke> I even tried --http-user and --http-password and --referer=URL_of_referer
[17:12:19] <houst0n-> Are you using the cds wrapper?
[17:12:20] <dclarke> all that crap fails
[17:12:29] <dclarke> what is the CDS wrapper ?
[17:13:00] <houst0n-> http://wikis.sun.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=28448383
[17:13:14] <houst0n-> I use that, works for me
[17:13:59] <dclarke> hrmmm
[17:14:02] <dclarke> very good to know
[17:14:06] <dclarke> let me try that .. one sec
[17:14:26] <dclarke> first I have to wget that file
[17:15:02] <oxygene> curl --location-trusted used to work for me
[17:15:26] <houst0n-> There's a redirect there i think
[17:15:45] <dclarke> I see ... --keep-session-cookies
[17:15:48] <dclarke> that is the issue
[17:16:50] * houst0n- nods
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[17:17:54] <dclarke> Connecting to identity.sun.com|72.5.124.58|:443...
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[17:18:12] <dclarke> I am doing this because I am upgrading a x86/AMD64 server remotely
[17:18:30] <dclarke> so .. I have to PXEboot the S10u5 boot process and then select upgrade
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[17:18:42] <dclarke> then .. at reboot it asks for the othe CDROM images
[17:18:49] <houst0n-> I've never actually done a net install of solaris
[17:18:53] <dclarke> which .. gee .. I guess I need to wget those
[17:18:56] <houst0n-> Painful?
[17:19:00] <dclarke> not at all
[17:19:07] <dclarke> done it many many many times
[17:19:28] <dclarke> the trick comes in when you decide to create a custom netboot with new drivers and things in it
[17:19:36] <dclarke> a custom miniroot can be tricky
[17:19:37] 
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[17:19:53] <dclarke> Sparc is trivial to netboot
[17:20:01] <houst0n-> iiI /1024 2x70gb disks, not bad for 30 quid :)
[17:20:03] <dclarke> x86 .. needs ISC DHCPd and tftpd
[17:20:11] <houst0n-> IIi, even
[17:20:17] <dclarke> wow .. that is cheap hardware
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[17:20:27] <houst0n-> ebay++
[17:20:32] <_mary_kate_> x86 does _not_ need isc dhcpd (although you certainly can use it) - solaris one works fine
[17:21:11] <dclarke> the Solaris one is crap
[17:21:15] <dclarke> pure crap
[17:21:18] <_mary_kate_> works fine for me
[17:21:20] <dclarke> pure wombat poo
[17:21:26] <dclarke> good for you .. but it is crap
[17:21:36] <_mary_kate_> maybe it's crap for you, it's fine for me
[17:21:45] <dclarke> go with a *real* DHCP server ..
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[17:21:47] <norman> why is it crap?
[17:21:51] <dclarke> just is
[17:22:03] <turtle> yeah
[17:22:05] <dclarke> is a nightmare to configure and to deal with
[17:22:27] <dclarke> go find the people that wrote it and then see if they don't run for cover and hide if you emntion it
[17:22:28] <Tempt> oh hell
[17:22:33] <Tempt> The Solaris DHCP server is hell.
[17:22:44] <dclarke> it is a pile of hacks all gathered together in a small place hanging together with spit tape and glue
[17:22:49] <Tempt> There is absolutely no reason in hell it should survive.
[17:22:53] <dclarke> a disaster running in your system
[17:22:55] <dclarke> yes .. that bad
[17:22:56] <Tempt> I ditched it when all the core dumps filled /var/cores
[17:23:11] <dclarke> so .. like I said .. it is crap
[17:23:15] <dclarke> wombat poo
[17:23:24] <Tempt> Honestly, the ISC DHCP server is pretty lame, but the Sun one is absolutely fucked.
[17:23:29] <dclarke> the ISC DHCPd process workgs great ...
[17:23:39] <dclarke> okay .. it works
[17:23:39] <Tempt> To be honest, however, if you run it with text files instead of the binary format, it seems a lot more stable.
[17:23:42] <dclarke> works well enough
[17:23:43] <Tempt> Either way
[17:23:49] <Tempt> It should be terminated.
[17:23:51] <dclarke> I use the text files
[17:23:54] <dclarke> yep
[17:24:01] <dclarke> I think out work is done here :-)
[17:24:06] <dclarke> I think our work is done here :-)
[17:24:15] <Tempt> Yes, if you want a great dhcpd, use Nominum DHCP ;-)
[17:24:21] <dclarke> by the way .. good day Andre
[17:24:29] <Tempt> How's life, Dennis?
[17:24:36] <dclarke> eh .. its okay
[17:24:39] <dclarke> a lot of work here
[17:24:45] <dclarke> tons of packages piled up for release
[17:25:00] <dclarke> and then yesterday I had to take a wee break to play with OpenSolaris and mplayer
[17:25:14] <dclarke> you can see the results of that in my blog : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog
[17:25:55] <Tempt> I'm still not using Solaris to play media ;-)
[17:26:07] <dclarke> I have it working pretty sweet
[17:26:17] <dclarke> the sound is just flawless unless you try screaming hi res
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[17:26:48] <Tempt> I'm going to install the SRSS beta on the spare T2000 tomorrow and see if the xvideo support will make any form of video on a sunray work.
[17:27:06] <dclarke> video on SunRay ?  wow .. don't go there . .tried it
[17:27:17] <dclarke> hell I even tried to push OpenGL over a SunRay
[17:27:18] <Tempt> At one point I managed to get low rate MPEG2 video to play.
[17:27:26] <dclarke> yeah ?
[17:27:34] <dclarke> full blown saturated 100Mbit/sec
[17:27:37] <Tempt> Nah
[17:27:38] <dclarke> gig would be better
[17:27:39] <Tempt> Wasn't too bad.
[17:27:44] <dclarke> try OpenGL
[17:27:47] <Tempt> heh
[17:27:50] <Tempt> That's Silly.
[17:28:00] <dclarke> I tried to install a test scenarior for a CAD/CAM shop up here .. it was nasty
[17:28:17] <dclarke> we neede dto run CATIA and such
[17:28:24] <Tempt> I've seen demo H.264 playing on a sunray with Windows, the connector and srss beta
[17:28:29] <Tempt> it worked, although not full screen
[17:28:39] <dclarke> with a quad CPU backend .. all the OpenGL was done in CPU by the server
[17:28:58] <dclarke> but as soon as you add in that fifth user .. whammo
[17:29:14] <dclarke> it was a very interesting test
[17:29:34] <Tempt> Sunrays just keep getting better
[17:29:51] <dclarke> they do
[17:30:01] <Tempt> Every new firmware release, they run a little faster.
[17:30:06] <dclarke> next thing you know .. we will have gig-E to a SunRay with some hardware framebuffer in it
[17:30:13] <dclarke> then .. that is the end of the desktop as we know it
[17:30:27] <Tempt> Well, the newer (2, 2FS, etc) have more grunt in them
[17:30:31] <Tempt> and don't need gig-E
[17:30:44] <dclarke> I fully feel that for business users there is NO valid reason to have a PC anymore
[17:30:48] <Tempt> and deliver a very compelling desktop experience, right down to now actually handling some watchable video
[17:30:49] <dclarke> a SunRay does the job
[17:31:01] <Tempt> Especially with the Mitel / Sunray converged appliances
[17:31:05] <dclarke> well .. I agree .. but have not seen it work yet
[17:31:13] <Tempt> Phone and sunray in one box? Fantastic.
[17:31:13] <dclarke> are you familiar wit hthe SSGD ?
[17:31:24] <Tempt> Use it every day.
[17:31:28] <dclarke> cool ..
[17:31:32] <Tempt> Done two commercial deployments.
[17:31:39] <dclarke> I'll have that back up and running here .. this week I hope
[17:31:43] <dclarke> wel done !
[17:31:53] <dclarke> good man .. can I ask you dumb questions from time to time ?
[17:31:55] <dclarke> :-)
[17:31:59] <Tempt> There's not much to ask.
[17:32:04] <dclarke> I mean .. more than ususal
[17:32:08] <dclarke> ha
[17:32:12] <Tempt> I've looked at the current releases on my test box, and it's even easier to admin.
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[17:32:32] <Tempt> My prod is still running about three releases back - before all the new stuff turned up.
[17:32:32] <dclarke> okay .. last time I tried .. it needed a bit of work to get into the Java interface and admin the objects
[17:32:44] <dclarke> I ended up tossing out a pile of desktop apps and then going with full blown desktops
[17:32:49] <Tempt> There's a web-based management interface now.
[17:32:56] <dclarke> that is what I was using
[17:33:04] <Tempt> But all the traditional commandline still works, and honestly, that's what you want.
[17:33:11] <dclarke> yep .. I agree
[17:33:15] <dclarke> script eveything
[17:33:39] <dclarke> hey .. sorry .. have to run and go fight with my coffee pot and then get back to crunchign software .. we have 146 apps to push out here
[17:33:46] <Tempt> Well, have fun.
[17:33:57] <Tempt> I'll go back to watching youtube videos on a sunray-1
[17:34:02] <dclarke> ooooh crap
[17:34:10] <dclarke> damn wget of Solaris 10 fails
[17:34:10] <Tempt> works remarkably well, actually.
[17:34:14] <dclarke> 2008-09-08 15:28:39 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[17:34:20] <Tempt> mwaaa
[17:34:24] <dclarke> wtf ..
[17:34:25] <Tempt> build elinks with javascript support
[17:34:32] <dclarke> I tried elinks first
[17:34:35] <dclarke> it failed
[17:34:41] <Tempt> With javascript?
[17:34:45] <Tempt> Because CSWelinks doesn't have it!
[17:34:50] <dclarke> you can select that you want the CDROM or DVD images but the submit of the form .. goes no where
[17:35:10] <dclarke> hrmmm .. I better have another look at hat
[17:35:16] <Tempt> I tried building the javascript support for elinks but it ended up doing my head in
[17:35:24] <Tempt> It contained hard-coded x86 specific crap!
[17:35:25] <dclarke> oh well .. screw it
[17:35:25] <Tempt> (!)
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[17:35:47] <dclarke> I will run a compressed X session to the remote server over ssh and thenrun a browser .. that will benasty
[17:35:58] <Tempt> haeh.
[17:36:08] <Fullmoon> When I am unhappy with the built in CIFS server (unable to set a UMASK on the share), can I just install and use samba?
[17:36:10] <Tempt> Somebody wrote a little how-to on grabbing Solaris images without X
[17:36:11] <Fullmoon> Without ZFS goodies of course
[17:36:12] <dclarke> I once installed Lotus Domino on a server over modem with X
[17:36:16] <Tempt> Fullmoon: yes.
[17:36:18] <houst0n-> I saw a sunray demo with hd video... It used optical network though
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[17:36:27] <houst0n-> dclarke: wTF?!
[17:36:29] <Tempt> houst0n-: Optical network is still 100mbit
[17:36:34] <houst0n-> That's sick
[17:36:43] <dclarke> houst0n-: it was years ago .. the server was a SparcCenter 2000E
[17:36:54] <Tempt> urgh, sun4d
[17:37:05] <dclarke> I had ISDN at home .. but a 9600 baud modem was what I ended up using
[17:37:12] <houst0n-> Tempt: Err really? I thought you were talking gbit at least
[17:37:22] <dclarke> pardon me ...
[17:37:26] <Tempt> nope, the 2fs is just 100mbit fibre
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[17:37:50] <Fullmoon> Maybe I will find a way to specify the umask after all
[17:37:51] <Tempt> 100Base-FX
[17:37:53] <houst0n-> Learn something every day I guess =)
[17:38:24] <Tempt> I wouldn't mind getting some newer sunrays
[17:38:24] <Tempt> I should look up the pricing
[17:38:44] <hali> if only optical so it's certified by certian DoD tasks (the biggest ray client)
[17:39:01] <hali> it's not as easy to snoop on a fibre link as it is on cat5
[17:39:39] <Tempt> well
[17:39:43] <Tempt> It's getting easier.
[17:39:53] <Tempt> There are non-break snooping tools now.
[17:40:04] <hali> well you can burn off the insulation and give it a go :)
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[17:40:26] <hali> but cat5/6 is fairly straight forward by just having a clamp tool around the cable
[17:42:27] <Tempt> There are automated tools for doing fibre now
[17:42:37] <Tempt> cuts the sheath, bends the fibre and snoops
[17:42:59] <houst0n-> Hmmmm, got a link Tempt?
[17:43:08] <Tempt> not handy.
[17:43:15] <houst0n-> No probs, will google
[17:43:17] <Tempt> I read about them in a magazine a while ago.
[17:43:25] <Tempt> Working in a telco you get a lot of wierd magazines
[17:43:25] <houst0n-> I WANT ONE
[17:43:49] <houst0n-> :P
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[17:50:50] <codestr0m> Tempt: umm.. if the light from the fiber escapes or external light gets in.. there's a problem.. and this works on single/multimode both?
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[18:47:23] <scimmia> Hi, are there italian people here?
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[18:53:01] <e^ipi> that's the second time he's dropped in here with that question
[18:53:13] <e^ipi> scimmia: #opensolaris-it
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[18:54:04] <scimmia> e^ipi, sorry to disturb you, I'm in that chan too, and nobody is active.
[18:54:18] <e^ipi> it's not a disturbance
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[18:54:44] <e^ipi> opensolaris is a small community, if any of the italian people involved didn't come on IRC, i wouldn't be terribly surprised
[18:54:53] <scimmia> I asked two times the same thing, yes. but in two different moments of the day... so pliz dont complain
[18:55:14] <e^ipi> it's an observation, not a complaint
[18:55:45] <scimmia> yes, maybe you re right... not enough italian people with OpenSolaris
[18:56:25] <e^ipi> the mailing lists may be more active
[18:56:39] <scimmia> not so much
[18:56:54] <e^ipi> our largest communities seem to be japan, china, india, usa as far as i can tell here
[18:56:57] <scimmia> ant it was spammed a lot last week
[18:57:13] <scimmia> india? wow.
[18:57:42] <e^ipi> yeah, seems so
[18:58:16] <scimmia> I was asking coz it is simpler to speak my native language, but I can come here times to times to ask about my doubts
[18:58:39] <wonko2> e^ipi: it looks like it wasn't the OSS sound drivers that broke resume
[18:58:56] <scimmia> is there a guide explaining OpenSolaris for a linux user? similitudes and differences and so on?
[18:59:14] <scimmia> I'm a Debian user for 10 years now, more or less...
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[19:01:59] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/immigrants/ might help scimmia
[19:02:18] <scimmia> timsf, thanks
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[19:09:06] <Fullmoon> When I create a file from windows on a sharesmb zfs file system, the file mode is ----------, any ideas?
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[19:10:14] <Fullmoon> I remember a umask setting for samba
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[19:10:59] <Fullmoon> When I login locally as that user with su and touch a file, it does not has empty permissions set
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[19:16:44] <youareno6> I am having a localization issue. Any germans here?
[19:17:35] <youareno6> I need to get the output of " zpool list -H -o name" with a reply in german. I have tried, but appears to always respond in english. I exported the LANG variable to different german versions. No luck.
[19:19:05] * youareno6 realizes it's after hours in germany
[19:19:31] <ballChalk> just wait, most of us are in the usa i think
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[19:23:34] <timsf> You probably need to export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8
[19:24:03] <th> `zpool list -H -o name`   does not listything translated. just names of pools
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[19:26:38] <leleobhz> someone know why indiana dont install in xen 3.3?
[19:26:51] <leleobhz> i got this:
[19:26:52] <leleobhz> v3.3.0 chgset 'unavailable'
[19:26:52] <leleobhz> SunOS Release 5.11 Version snv_86 32-bit
[19:27:11] <leleobhz> and a big pagefault
[19:27:36] <th> youareno6: but i guess i'm on some german locale becuase i have "," as decimal point
[19:27:37] <timsf> because we're not done yet?
[19:28:05] <leleobhz> timsf: ?
[19:28:13] <timsf> Right th - you can have the german locale shared object, but none of the messages..
[19:28:21] <youareno6> th: I think I got it now. Thanks. I was exporting LANG and not LC_MESSAGES
[19:28:27] <youareno6> I can replicate it now.
[19:28:31] <th> kk
[19:29:07] <ballChalk> leleobhz: are you trying to use xen within xen?
[19:29:10] <th> yea - and there dont seem to be any messages anyways from that command
[19:29:15] <leleobhz> ballChalk: no
[19:30:04] <timsf> leleobhz: Solaris dom0 is still xen 3.1.4-based.
[19:30:13] 
[19:30:19] <leleobhz> no no... im running linux on dom0
[19:30:25] <leleobhz> and i want to run indiana in domU
[19:30:46] <th> youareno6: ahh ;) sorry then - i do have pools ;)
[19:31:15] <timsf> leleobhz:  have you read mrj's blog posts ?
[19:31:18] <leleobhz> im trying to follow this: http://bderzhavets.blogspot.com/2008/05/install-opensolaris-200805-domu-at-xen.html
[19:31:28] <leleobhz> timsf: mrj's?
[19:31:38] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/mrj/
[19:32:35] <th> youareno6: but for me (on another zone w/o pools) it doesn't show this message with -H
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[19:33:36] <youareno6> th: Which version of solaris?
[19:33:43] <leleobhz> timsf: same error
[19:33:59] <timsf> pv or hvm?
[19:34:37] <leleobhz> timsf: pv
[19:34:43] <th> youareno6: 5.11 snv_90 i86pc i386 i86xpv
[19:34:45] <leleobhz> the error: http://paste.milk-it.net/937
[19:35:03] <youareno6> thana: thanks.
[19:35:12] <youareno6> oops. th thanks
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[19:35:16] <th> youareno6: but i consider that good behaviour
[19:35:34] <timsf> leleobhz: not sure then - sorry, I'm new here.
[19:35:49] <youareno6> thana: What is the return code. When I get "no pools available" it still returns 0.
[19:35:52] <leleobhz> ok, anyway thanks for attention :]
[19:36:11] * youareno6 starting to hate autocomplete.
[19:36:22] <th> youareno6: it's always 0
[19:37:32] <th> youareno6: (which i still consider good behaviour)
[19:38:38] <youareno6> thana: Yeah, I already look for "" as well as "no pools available" in my script. I set the LANG, but now I see I need to set LC_MESSAGES and others.
[19:39:00] <youareno6> damnit!
[19:39:09] <th> youareno6: shouldn't LC_ALL be enough?
[19:39:18] <th> youareno6: why don you just stop completing my nick at all? ;)
[19:39:40] <youareno6> th: Bad habit.
[19:39:59] <th> youareno6: i guess i know that ;)
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[19:41:50] <flip> hey all --- does 2008.05 come w/ samba?
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[19:50:50] * thana eyes youareno6
[19:51:37] <th> thana: sorry for my ambiguity ;)
[19:52:25] <thana> :)
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[19:55:18] <youareno6> thana: Sorry. I have a habit of using autocomplete.
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[20:03:24] <youareno6> thana: Weird. On sparc I see the localization. In x86 I set export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. What variable do you have on your opensolaris x86?
[20:03:44] <youareno6> o.k. I didn't do it that time. I think my IRC client is doing this!!!
[20:03:52] <youareno6> thana: Did you get that?
[20:03:53] <timsf> youareno6: it's the same on sparc and x86 - you might just not have the right message files installed
[20:04:09] <timsf> check for differences in /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/
[20:05:48] <youareno6> timsf: yeah. the language packages are missing.
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[20:12:48] <th> youareno6: ahh sorry - missread it due to missing hilight ;)
[20:13:14] <th> youareno6: yes. messages work correctly on my side...
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[20:24:12] <Fullmoon> ACL are prefered to file modes, right?
[20:24:21] <Fullmoon> I mean when acl are prefered file modes are ignored
[20:24:21] <e^ipi> by me, yeah
[20:24:39] <e^ipi> oh, that's a good question actually
[20:24:40] <TomJ> where ACLs are supported, normal UNIX file modes are stored as ACLs
[20:24:49] <e^ipi> IIRC ... yeah, what TomJ said
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[20:25:49] <jbk> just don't tear them
[20:25:49] <TomJ> so ls -V on a file that supports ACLs, but doesnt have them, will show 6 lines - two each for owner,group,everyone
[20:25:51] <jbk> :)
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[20:26:54] <Fullmoon> #I set up a ACL for a file that says basically fred may do anything, but when I
[20:27:50] <Fullmoon> start vim as fred it complains that the file is read-only (but it can write anyways), so translating the ACLS to modes does not work?
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[20:29:26] <RavenSlay3r> As per "C++ Coding Standards", (Sutter, Alexandrescu), pg4, - Where would one go to learn about Solaris CC's "warning control syntax"?
[20:30:58] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/771.8
[20:31:05] <e^ipi> Sun Studio docs collection
[20:31:38] <RavenSlay3r> thanks
[20:31:48] <e^ipi> np
[20:32:43] <Fullmoon> Now everything makes more sense, ls displays "-----------" when the ACLs are too complicated
[20:32:48] <TomJ> Fullmoon: works ok for me.  what ACLs have you set?
[20:32:50] <Fullmoon> Correct?
[20:33:07] <TomJ> Fullmoon: no it sets that when user/group/everyone is not set, i.e. only normal ACLs are set
[20:33:22] <e^ipi> ls -V shows ACL's
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[20:33:38] <RavenSlay3r> Fullmoon, I think it displays "-" for undefined ACL flags
[20:33:57] <Fullmoon> TomJ: I am trying to debug what the hell the CIFS server writes (I thought it wrote files with mode 000 because it displayed ----------- (plain ls, without -V)), but I think it writes ACLs instead
[20:33:59] <TomJ> but vi doesnt warn about read only on a file for which it has write access via ACL, even if the user in question doesn't have any access via user/group/other
[20:34:04] <TomJ> so maybe your ACLs are wrong
[20:34:21] <e^ipi> does it write?
[20:34:23] <TomJ> if the ls output has a + on the end then ACLs are set
[20:34:47] <TomJ> Fullmoon: like this:  -rw-r--r--+
[20:34:58] <Fullmoon> TomJ: Right, but it had ---------+
[20:35:09] <TomJ> e^ipi: yeah works fine
[20:35:12] <Fullmoon> So vim would say that the file is not writeable, even though it is
[20:35:15] <TomJ> ok so user/group/other is not set, but other ACLs are
[20:35:20] <shadfc> anyone have a recommendation for a PCI-E sata-ii expanion card that works with opensolaris?  I'm looking at the HCL for Solaris OS but it doesn't any listed (just PCI and on-board).  Boss wants me to setup a new 5-10TB file server and I'd like to use ZFS for it
[20:35:21] <TomJ> ls -v and ls -V to view them
[20:35:24] <Fullmoon> Yeah, makes sense now!
[20:36:11] <e^ipi> shadfc: LSI's sas cards are good, SiL3114 and similar ( 3124, 3112, etc ) work as well
[20:36:32] <shadfc> e^ipi: hot-swap and all that goodness work well?
[20:36:37] <e^ipi> on the LSI
[20:36:39] <RavenSlay3r> Fullmoon - ZFS admin guid, ch7 try pages 153-161, and 177-179... I had to do that the other day :-/
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[20:36:51] <e^ipi> i'm not sure if the SIL works like that yet
[20:36:52] <Fullmoon> RavenSlay3r: Thanks, I will :)
[20:36:53] <e^ipi> it may
[20:39:58] * RavenSlay3r Google Bookshelf (beta): print the entire sun.docs.com and put into labled, color-coded binders; Google any solaris topic; pull the binder off your self and open to the correct page...
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[20:54:37] <_setuid_H> Evening all
[20:57:33] <e^ipi> hullo
[20:57:41] <jbk> afternoon
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[21:28:48] <hollenjf> are there any accounting software projects aimed at solaris? like quick-books-ish?
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[21:33:29] <oxygene> hollenjf: apart from the usual (gnucash, grisbi, homebank)?
[21:36:08] <hollenjf> thanks for the name drops
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[21:40:05] <oxygene> homebank should be at homebank.free.fr (iirc) - that one is less obvious to find probably
[21:40:50] <oxygene> I sorted them in descending complexity - gnucash is capable of double ledger stuff (whatever it's called), homebank is simple home accounting
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[21:51:07] <Fullmoon> Is there any way to inherit ACLs to existing objects, not just new files / folders?
[21:51:24] <wonko2> so are blastewave and sunfreeware the only source of pre-built packages for osol? (non-indiana)?
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[21:53:03] <bda> wonko2: Or openpkg. Or you could use NetBSD's pkgsrc.
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[21:58:09] <codestr0m> does the Sun Cluster HA for containers work essentially the same way in OpenSolaris as it did/does in Solaris?
[21:58:11] <wonko2> i've been trying pkgsrc
[21:58:27] <wonko2> but a large majority of the packages don't build right
[21:58:29] <wonko2> it's quite irritating
[21:59:10] <codestr0m> wonko2: welcome to solaris packaging hell.. :)
[21:59:12] <e^ipi> codestr0m: nevada, yes. indiana, who knows
[21:59:24] <codestr0m> e^ipi: thanks
[21:59:41] <wonko2> codestr0m: oh, hardly welcome, i've been in this hell for years now. :)
[22:00:11] <e^ipi> if open-sauce developers wouldn't make the assumption that they're running on linux, we might not have that probelm
[22:00:23] <e^ipi> but as it stands, they're pretty oblivious to the world outside their immediate vicinity
[22:00:33] <wonko2> yes
[22:00:39] <wonko2> that's 100% of my build issues
[22:01:48] <wonko2> ok, so the verdict is i'll miss box-unfold, but absolutely nothing else from compiz, so i think fluxbox is going to happen
[22:01:50] <codestr0m> well. it's opensource.. and usually built from necessity.. if they aren't using/targeting that platform.. why care..
[22:01:54] <wonko2> as soon as i can get it to build
[22:01:54] <jbk> but the gnu autotools will fix all of that!
[22:01:56] * jbk runs
[22:02:05] <RavenSlay3r> e^ipi: that quite an irony, you would think they, of all people, would be sensitive to those issues.
[22:02:18] <wonko2> except that the autotools add their own special level of retardedness. :)
[22:02:27] <smtms> GNU autotools help GNU software infect even more systemse
[22:02:54] <codestr0m> I luv how much hate you guys have around here.. I mean. what a refreshing community :P
[22:03:20] <wonko2> codestr0m: this is 20 years of built up hate
[22:03:21] <wonko2> ;)
[22:03:33] <codestr0m> I guess....
[22:04:00] <RavenSlay3r> ummm, I ran into a road-block the other day - I couldn't use the code I needed BECAUSE it was under GNU-GPL...
[22:04:16] <e^ipi> codestr0m: if you ever want to know how to be arrogant, talk to a UNIX(R) admin, he'll show you how it's done
[22:04:42] <e^ipi> RavenSlay3r: people other than "ZOMG FREEDOM" zealots often run in to that problem
[22:04:54] <e^ipi> haha, http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/solaris_crash_analy_
[22:05:03] <e^ipi> solaris crash analysis tool, or 'scat' for short...
[22:05:07] <e^ipi> what an unfortunate acronym
[22:05:12] <codestr0m> nice link name :P
[22:05:37] <bda> Oh man.
[22:05:39] <RavenSlay3r> SUN marketing at it's best
[22:05:43] <wonko2> hmmm, maybe it *was* the oss drivers, or maybe my luck is just working well as suspend/resume hasn't screwed up yet
[22:05:54] <wonko2> after removing the oss sound drivers
[22:06:02] <wonko2> where do i report non-working hardware?
[22:06:07] <_setuid_H> damn sun had to use the some marketing dozen years ago :-)
[22:06:22] <e^ipi> it works, it just doesn't support suspend/resume ( suspend/resume integrated what, 3 months ago? )
[22:06:35] <_setuid_H> world could be better place to live
[22:06:47] <e^ipi> talk to the guys at 4front
[22:06:50] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: why could *you* use the code you needed.. gpl won't prevent you from mixing/matching any license you want locally. it's just about distribution.. (which may be what you meant originally)
[22:06:53] <e^ipi> they may be working on something in that respect
[22:07:14] <wonko2> ok, does anyone at osol pull that sort of stuff in or is that destined to stay oss?
[22:07:20] <RavenSlay3r> codestr0m: commercial project
[22:07:34] <e^ipi> wonko2: garrett d'amore is working on something to that effect
[22:08:15] <e^ipi> firstname.lastname at sun dot com for all sun employees
[22:08:58] <e^ipi> ( drop the apostrophe )
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[22:09:04] <_setuid_H> does anybody run solaris 10 on a laptop? I was thinking about to have a stable base and then have indiana and sxce virtualized. But I really miss zfs boot in 5.10
[22:09:10] <e^ipi> he also just left
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[22:09:37] <e^ipi> _setuid_H: run nevada on the laptop with S10 in xen?
[22:09:53] <e^ipi> anyone know if we have an S10 branded zone yet?
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[22:10:12] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: no I tought run virtual box on solaris 10 host
[22:10:21] <e^ipi> eww
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[22:10:30] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: bad idea?
[22:11:19] <e^ipi> i just don't really see why you'd run S10 on a laptop, and i also think that vbox has a long way to go before it's useful
[22:11:56] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: I just wanted really "stable" env. And play in virtulbox or qemu
[22:12:05] <e^ipi> SXCE is plenty stable
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[22:13:01] <turtle> and you get fancy things like zfs booting
[22:13:21] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: well when I ran sxce b96 week ago I got stomachache after 20minutes :-). Well but it's not opensolaris problem, but gnome one.
[22:13:40] <bda> What's wrong with it?
[22:14:11] <_setuid_H> my everyday friend pidgin was pretty unusable, ...
[22:14:21] <_setuid_H> firefox felt during downloading large file
[22:14:39] <wonko2> pidgin is completely unstable on b97 as well
[22:14:40] <bda> Pidgin has been broken since 2008.05.
[22:14:44] <bda> I compiled my own.
[22:14:52] <wonko2> luckily i don't care
[22:14:53] <wonko2> ;)
[22:14:58] <e^ipi> you don't even get pidgin in S10, you get gaim
[22:15:10] <codestr0m> bda: I was just going to say. what's wrong with pidgin.. I added my keybindings patch.. recompiled and worked great
[22:15:12] * bda wishes he had Adium.
[22:15:15] <_setuid_H> bda: I used to do the same. But in last builds I'm unable to build it.
[22:15:24] <bda> codestr0m: It still crashes when I try to add a new buddy. :)
[22:15:31] <_setuid_H> bda: but adium is just mac os x port of pidgin isn't it?
[22:15:40] <bda> _setuid_H: They ditched libpurple entirely I think?
[22:15:53] <codestr0m> bda: which protocol.. which version. can it be reproduced on another system.. the pidgin devs are quite helpful and responsive in the channel
[22:16:15] <bda> codestr0m: Dunno, haven't cared enough to dig into it. I just added them in Adium. ;)
[22:16:27] * bda has a low threshhold for giving a shit about stuff like that.
[22:16:30] <bda> I have actual work to do.
[22:16:40] <codestr0m> umm. yeah. that's the opensource spirit :P
[22:16:47] <_setuid_H> bda: I like centerim but I never finished solaris build.
[22:17:04] <bda> codestr0m: :)
[22:17:12] <bda> If anything I'd just go back to using bitlbee. >:\
[22:17:30] <_setuid_H> bda: does it support jabber/icq/irc?
[22:17:36] <codestr0m> hej. it's reliable and nothing wrong with an ncurses client
[22:17:50] <codestr0m> just pop it in screen and never have a problem
[22:17:57] <bda> _setuid_H: http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/news.r.html # Yes.
[22:18:02] <_setuid_H> hmm
[22:18:32] <wonko2> i should take a poke at bitlbee again, last time i looked at it i couldn't get it to build
[22:18:44] <e^ipi> no, they're still building on top of libpurple
[22:18:50] <e^ipi> but with extensions IIRC
[22:19:15] <bda> aha
[22:19:16] <_setuid_H> bda: I have the same problem again. I downloaded sxce b97 but now I'm running indiana :-)
[22:19:36] <codestr0m> PxFS looks interesting
[22:19:50] <codestr0m> the call it something else now though right?
[22:19:56] <codestr0m> at least the oss version
[22:20:23] <_setuid_H> does anybody know when will be created/opened some non-private pkg server?
[22:20:40] <jbk> i hate oracle
[22:20:41] <_setuid_H> I don't mean blastwave or sunfreeware
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[22:22:32] <_setuid_H> czosug created a feedback to indiana :-) Take a look. :-) http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolaris/CZOSUG+Feedback+on+OpenSolaris
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[22:25:20] <jbk> apparently oracle insists that NFS mounted databases have 'wsize=32768,rsize=32768' as a mount option
[22:26:05] <jbk> which is a bit on the idiotic side since some NFS implementations can actually use larger window sizes, so might as well let them negotiate the largest each side can do
[22:26:06] <_setuid_H> jbk: nice
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[22:27:32] <codestr0m> _setuid_H: ^ in reference to the above. they nailed the high level overview of the review, but they forgot to send it to pkg-discuss aka /dev/null :P In terms of why it's probably not easy to make a custom install of packages is because of meta packages like slim_install which are a lazy way to just group a bunch of dependencies instead of breaking them out as they should
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[22:27:55] <codestr0m> which brings up another problem of IPS which is poor dependency management ... etc blah.. etc. ignore me..
[22:28:29] * codestr0m should send patches..
[22:29:36] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: Well I don't know this was done by sun employees. I hope they somehow give an information to pkg team
[22:30:05] <codestr0m> is there an actual /team/ of people working on that code?
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[22:30:17] <codestr0m> I'd be *highly* interested to look at the commit logs
[22:30:33] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: I'm not an sun employee so I don't know status :-(
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[22:31:12] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: Take it as a points to be completed until 2010.
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[22:33:43] <jbk> well the whole thing's being done on opensolaris.org
[22:33:55] <jbk> you can download the hg repo, complete with commit history
[22:34:06] <jbk> and even contribute code if you want
[22:34:18] <_setuid_H> Pietro_S_: Hi dit you see the mailing-list?
[22:34:23] <_setuid_H> s/dit/did
[22:34:34] <codestr0m> ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/pkg/gate
[22:34:55] <codestr0m> yeah I just opened a bug report. pulled the link and cloning it now
[22:35:59] <_setuid_H> jbk: What do I have to do to get hg account and write to pkg/gate?
[22:36:31] <jbk> well first i'd join pkg-discuss
[22:36:43] <_setuid_H> this already happened
[22:36:51] <jbk> initially at least you'll probably have to have someone else commit the code, but any of the project leaders can give you write access
[22:37:04] <jbk> but you should be able to create webrevs, etc.
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[22:37:21] <_setuid_H> ok
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[22:37:41] <_setuid_H> jbk: so second person puts is the good begining?
[22:37:42] <jbk> or ask them -- i'm guessing the process isn't particularly formal for getting access, but i'd be surprised if they just turned it on for anyone without some evidence first
[22:38:20] <_setuid_H> jbk: That's why I asked
[22:39:07] <e^ipi> you can probably just hg commit and hg export tip and just send them the patchset
[22:39:38] <e^ipi> eventually they'll get tired of hand-merging your changes and just open the gate
[22:39:59] <e^ipi> ON doesn't do this, but ON is under strict totalitarian control by gk
[22:40:25] <e^ipi> understadable though
[22:40:56] <codestr0m> e^ipi: when you say ON do you mean onnv-gate or is that gate. .(as would be the assumption in the name)
[22:41:05] <e^ipi> i mean ON
[22:41:12] <e^ipi> OS/Net consolidation
[22:43:29] <e^ipi> actually speaking of opening up ON I think this weekend i'm going to bang out an open-webrti system via grails... on account of it gives me an excuse to play with grails more
[22:43:45] <e^ipi> (grails is fun)
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[22:47:14] <shadfc> any opinions on whether SAS drives are worth it for double the price over SATA?
[22:47:36] <e^ipi> different domain
[22:48:06] <e^ipi> i'd say no, just fill your box up with cheap SATA kit and let ZFS make sure they don't crater
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[22:48:33] <e^ipi> but some SATA controllers are managed by the IDE subsystem so they don't have hotswap
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[22:49:03] <shadfc> what about from a performance standpoint?  I've read some stuff that implies SAS drives are constructed better which reduces vibration, etc to give higher and more consistent performance
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[22:49:41] <e^ipi> *shrug* it's possible
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[22:50:08] <shadfc> we're thinking of making this new fileserver our live backup and then taking tapes from it, so it needs to be able the handle a good deal of IO.  300GB/day
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[22:50:48] <seanmcg> if you've the monies then SSD may be an option shadfc
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[22:54:54] <e^ipi> SAS disks cost twice as much, so buy twice as many sata disks and run the stripe further
[22:54:58] <e^ipi> more spindles = faster
[22:55:23] <e^ipi> might want to pick up a few more SATA controllers in the process to avoid saturating them
[22:55:28] <wonko2> e^ipi: (re the oss suspend/resume thing, the reply from 4front): "yes we plan to add that - the hooks are already in the code. Someone just needs to step up and implement it."
[22:55:46] <e^ipi> there you go ten
[22:55:48] <e^ipi> *then
[22:55:54] <wonko2> now to find someone to implement it
[22:55:57] <wonko2> i wonder how hard that would be
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[22:56:00] <e^ipi> mirror ?
[22:56:15] <e^ipi> ( that is, "patches welcome" )
[22:56:18] <wonko2> not that i know a single things about writing device drivers or suspend/resume, but still, i'm always up for a challenge. :)
[22:59:39] <wonko2> ok, so suspend/resume worked out, now to figure out docking/undocking and i should have a mostly useful laptop
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[23:17:06] <spike_> okay, so i'm having a n odd issue, anyone lend a hand?
[23:17:10] <spike_> letme apaste bin
[23:19:13] <spike_> http://pastebin.ca/1197535
[23:19:17] <spike_> someone take a peep please
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[23:21:03] <e^ipi> so, one of your disks is broken
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[23:22:14] <Macabee> well broken - or not plugged in
[23:22:15] <Macabee> :)
[23:22:40] <e^ipi> if you google the error message, you will find an answer
[23:22:56] <e^ipi> you can even hit "i feel lucky" and get to your answer
[23:23:16] <Macabee> that or follow the link in the zfs error message :)
[23:23:25] <e^ipi> heh, that as well
[23:23:39] <Macabee> and it doesn't mean disk broken at all
[23:23:43] <Macabee> "The ZFS pool was last accessed by another system "
[23:23:52] <spike_> i've been googling for like an hour
[23:24:05] <Macabee> spike_: the URL IN the error message is all you really need
[23:24:06] <spike_> all devices are plugged in aand good to go, they shoow up in the bios/post/whatnot
[23:24:20] <Macabee> have you used the zfs pool on any other server?
[23:24:21] <spike_> k, sec i actually didn't hit that one yet for some reason
[23:24:28] <spike_> well this one
[23:24:35] <spike_> i just redid it though. reinstalled opensolaris that is..upgraded
[23:25:04] <Macabee> :) there's the answer then - as all are showing as online - i'd replace the disk with itself personally
[23:25:14] <Macabee> you won't lose data, as you're only degraded
[23:25:19] <spike_> and the sun link doesn't help, just says that it was most likely exported by another system
[23:25:19] <Macabee> and all it has to do is rebuild
[23:25:24] <spike_> should still be able to import -f it shouldn't i?
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[23:25:37] <spike_> can't replace it without first impoting it though :(
[23:25:52] <spike_> or can I?
[23:25:52] <spike_> heh
[23:26:05] <Macabee> just do zpool replace tank c0d0s4
[23:26:10] <Macabee> and it'll be most likely fixed
[23:26:38] <seanmcg> spike_, any disk warning/errors from dmesg ?   iostat -E 5 show any hardware fail counts
[23:26:44] <spike_> cannot open 'tank': no such pool
[23:26:53] <e^ipi> it's funny, the old guides all referred to the zpool as 'tank' so now any time anyone has a question about zfs, they all have a pool name of 'tank'
[23:26:55] <Macabee> ahhh yeah - i misread the top of the pastebin :)
[23:27:04] <e^ipi> i name my zpools after greek philosophers
[23:27:13] <seanmcg> zeno /
[23:27:14] <seanmcg> ?
[23:27:16] <Macabee> e^ipi: mine are the names of the servers they are on
[23:27:17] <Macabee> :)
[23:27:32] <e^ipi> seanmcg: thales, heraclitus, xenophanes, etc
[23:27:34] <unix_monkey> btw - the new gigabyte AM2+/970 'ultra durable edition' works great w/ NV96 - no driver issues, etc
[23:28:02] <e^ipi> unix_monkey: useless information. motherboards don't matter, chipsets matter
[23:28:10] <seanmcg> e^ipi, certainly don't wanna type them too much :)
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[23:28:16] <e^ipi> Nforce4 works
[23:28:17] <spike_> sorry for delay that command listed alot of stuff to look through, but no no majro errors
[23:28:18] <unix_monkey> well duh
[23:28:20] <spike_> s/majro/major
[23:28:45] <seanmcg> no major ?  so there were some ?
[23:28:51] <spike_> nope, just one with my cd rom
[23:28:59] <spike_> but that's from a bad cd i was using a min ago
[23:29:14] <spike_> everything else, all the hdds, are fine.
[23:29:53] <spike_> its degraded because when i reinstalled opensolaris, i did it over one of the disks, there is still a 500GB slice for the zpool, but it deleted all the infos
[23:30:29] <spike_> the one disk is a 650GB, 150 for the OS and stuffs, and 500 for the raidz array of 500gb drives
[23:30:39] <spike_> but since its raidz i should be alright
[23:30:50] <Macabee> spike_: because you reinstalled
[23:30:53] <Macabee> you need to use -f on the import
[23:31:04] <spike_> dplease read pastebin
[23:31:19] <spike_> i did use -f
[23:31:20] <spike_> didn't help.
[23:31:21] <Macabee> ahhh it won't let you cos one is missing
[23:31:22] <Macabee> ouch
[23:31:27] <spike_> get a little different error
[23:31:35] <spike_> yeah
[23:31:37] <spike_> what the hell does that mean
[23:31:39] <spike_> it shows them all as online
[23:31:41] <spike_> with one offline
[23:31:45] <spike_> so how come i can't mount the degraded array?
[23:33:37] <Macabee> i did a quick good
[23:33:39] <Macabee> google*
[23:33:43] <Macabee> and its not pretty
[23:33:43] <Macabee> :P
[23:33:54] <Macabee> http://docs.huihoo.com/opensolaris/solaris-zfs-administration-guide/html/ch04s06.html
[23:34:21] <spike_> i know i've been googling for a few hours now
[23:34:32] <spike_> thats why i'm here, if you notice i'm always here idling, but never asking questions...heh
[23:34:34] <Macabee> the only thing they show on that page is to destroy it then -Df it
[23:34:36] <spike_> i don't usually have many problems
[23:34:49] <Macabee> that doesn't seem to be for the fent hearthed tho
[23:35:02] <spike_> but can you do that successfully on a degraded array
[23:35:19] <Macabee> i'd have to test it in a vm
[23:36:07] <spike_> damm
[23:36:12] <spike_> anybody else have any info to share here?
[23:36:23] <spike_> and macabee, where do  you see my exact problem in here? i'm having trouble finding it
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[23:36:43] <Macabee> do you mean there rather than here
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[23:37:17] <Macabee> its not exact but where it says "If one of the devices in the destroyed pool is faulted or unavailable, you might be able to recover the destroyed pool anyway. In this scenario, import the degraded pool and then attempt to fix the device failure. For example:"
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[23:38:23] <spike_> hmmm
[23:38:28] <spike_> i'd like a second opinion before i do that though
[23:38:39] <spike_> that sounds like an awful risky operationa and this has importnt data on it
[23:38:52] <Macabee> yeah as i say - 'not for the feint hearted'
[23:38:56] <Macabee> :)
[23:39:07] <Stric> spike_: you could try; mv /dev/dsk/c0d0s4 /dev/dsk/c0d0s4-old;mkfile -n 500g /dev/dsk/c0d0s4;zpool import
[23:39:31] <Stric> should be no harm in doing that
[23:39:49] <e^ipi> spike_: file an RFE
[23:39:55] <e^ipi> ( bug )
[23:39:55] <Stric> so the "disk" will be there, but not contain any valid data..
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[23:42:51] <spike_> thanks stric, didn't work either
[23:44:05] <spike_> ipi, how long do these "RFE"'s take to get entertained?
[23:45:01] <e^ipi> there are bugs that are over 15 years old
[23:45:07] <spike_> damm
[23:45:10] <e^ipi> other bugs are fixed pretty quickly
[23:45:19] <e^ipi> this sounds like a bug that would be fixed pretty quickly
[23:45:20] <houst0n-> spike_: That's pretty normal for a codebase this large ;)
[23:45:27] <spike_> are we sure its a bug?
[23:45:30] <spike_> what else should i try?
[23:45:40] <e^ipi> no, it's not a "bug", it's a lack of a feature
[23:45:40] <spike_> should i destroy it and re import it -df?
[23:45:50] <e^ipi> hence, RFE (request for enhancement) rather than bug
[23:46:05] <spike_> aha
[23:46:09] <e^ipi> if you attach a patch file, i can have it integrated in a couple hours
[23:46:18] <spike_> hmmmmm
[23:46:22] <spike_> i don't know whats wrong though
[23:46:45] <spike_> i just know that i can't get this thing to import, am freaking out, and not sure if its worth getting the off site backups out
[23:47:01] <e^ipi> what's wrong is ZFS should either give you the option to import a degraded pool, or to replace a device on a pool that's not imported
[23:47:04] <spike_> they are going to need more then that
[23:47:17] <e^ipi> not really
[23:47:22] <Stric> e^ipi: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/find/find.c#980 .. line 987 should have 'filename' instead of 'name' var.. I've tried to get Sun to fix it, but they have postponed it until "later"
[23:47:26] <spike_> aha, and usually it does, it lets ya import with -f
[23:47:30] <e^ipi> post to zfs-discuss too, not a lot of people hang out on IRC
[23:47:52] <e^ipi> Stric: do you have an SCA signed ?
[23:47:53] <spike_> alright
[23:47:57] <Stric> e^ipi: so.. is that "patch" big enough? :)
[23:47:59] <spike_> i'll have to do all that in a little bit though
[23:48:08] <Stric> e^ipi: SCA? (I guess that means "no")
[23:48:09] <Macabee> does http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6707530 help
[23:48:11] <spike_> thanks for help as usual.
[23:48:12] <Macabee> ^ spike_
[23:48:17] <Macabee> that seems to be 'your problem'
[23:48:21] <spike_> sec, thx~
[23:48:23] <e^ipi> Stric: sun contributor agreement
[23:48:27] <Macabee> referenced here http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg18347.html
[23:48:29] <Stric> e^ipi: nope
[23:49:00] <Stric> Macabee: not exactly, it's for log devices.. might be similar cause though..
[23:49:43] <Macabee> what build are you on spike_ ?
[23:49:45] <Macabee> (just curious)
[23:50:57] <e^ipi> Stric: is there an RFE on that? I'm not really seeing why it should be 'name' not 'filename'
[23:51:05] <e^ipi> or a bug, rather
[23:51:38] <Stric> e^ipi: see the comment..
[23:51:46] <spike_> similiar but a little different
[23:51:47] <spike_> 97
[23:51:50] <spike_> array came from 90
[23:51:50] <Stric> e^ipi: (which explains that it should use filename instead of name ;)
[23:52:35] <Stric> e^ipi: the problem is find $relativepath -acl   appends the relative path + current depth.. so it only finds stuff in current dir with acls, not any subdir
[23:52:59] <Stric> it needs to strip away parts of the path, like it does on line 986.. and never uses it..
[23:53:48] <e^ipi> don't suppose you've got a bug number for me?
[23:53:52] <Stric> (ie, "find . -acl" will on file  "./subdir/blah" do acl("./subdir/./subdir/blah")
[23:54:31] <e^ipi> i hate bugster with the fiery passion of a thousand suns
[23:55:52] <Stric> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=5055511  is the same reason I think, and it got fixed.. (I have a sun case number, but not a bug number I think.. searching)
[23:57:35] <e^ipi> oh, okay it's 6395580
[23:57:47] <e^ipi> "find(1): -xattr and -acl confused when -exec is present"
[23:58:05] <Stric> ah, right.
[23:58:11] <e^ipi> why would they fix one and not the other i wonder
[23:58:50] <e^ipi> whatever, before I kick off tonight i'll fire off a build and see if i can't have it fixed in b99
[23:58:57] <Stric> ;)
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[23:59:24] * Stric flamed a bunch and got a call from I some top senior engineer in .se trying to calm me down :P
[23:59:32] <Stric> s/ I//
[23:59:54] <e^ipi> heh





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