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[00:13:30] <sickness> evening all
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[00:28:36] <e^ipi> *yawn*
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[00:41:35] <techqbert> anybody in here have any supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 cards?  I just bought one of my friend, plugged it in and booted the machine up.  with no HDs on it, some lights that the controller emit are orange.  what do the orange lights signify?
[00:41:53] <techqbert> one from my friend*
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[00:54:02] <seagull_7> Has anyone here used the update_drv command?  I could use some pointers.
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[01:06:28] <seanmcg> man update_drv ?-)
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[01:26:02] <seagull_7> Hi Sean, i need info on actually using it and if it? appropriate to use it for my specific problem
[01:31:15] <seagull_7> Does anyone here know what to do when a device ID doesn't match the one that the driver is set up for?
[01:32:55] <ShadowHntr> um...
[01:33:01] <ShadowHntr> enter it into /etc/driver_aliases
[01:33:09] <ShadowHntr> i think
[01:33:17] <_mary_kate_> except don't edit driver_aliases, use update_drv
[01:33:58] <seagull_7> ah, so you do use update_drv in this instance.  Can you help me form the proper command that i should use for my specific case?
[01:35:20] <seanmcg> the third example in the man page for update_drv should be what you want
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[01:50:28] <sstallion> seagull_7: update_drv -i 'alias' <driver>
[01:50:39] <sstallion> i.e.: update_drv '"pci10ec,8029"" re
[01:50:51] <sstallion> (insert a -i between update_drv and the alias)
[01:50:57] <seagull_7> ok, i tried that but i didn't use the single quotes, only used the double quotes, and it rebooted my computer
[01:51:20] <sstallion> what did you try to attach?
[01:51:25] <seanmcg> need _all_ those quotes...
[01:51:26] <seagull_7> i guess you need both single and double quotes in there?
[01:51:29] <seagull_7> ok
[01:51:32] <seagull_7> will try it again
[01:51:41] <seagull_7> trying to set up a wireless card
[01:52:01] <seagull_7> i will retry with all the quotes
[01:52:27] <sstallion> reboot with the command: reboot -- -dr
[01:53:00] <sstallion> if it does not attach after reboot, try update_drv again with all of the quotes - if it panics again, you will be dropped into kmdb rather than just rebooting
[01:53:02] <seagull_7> ok, does having a wireless card, and a wired ethernet confuse nwam?
[01:53:18] <sstallion> it shouldnt afaik
[01:53:24] <seagull_7> ok thanks
[01:53:27] * sstallion doesnt use nwam
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[01:53:55] <seanmcg> the whole reason for using nwam is with two or more nics, be they wired or otherwise
[01:54:26] <seagull_7> ok :)
[01:54:58] <seanmcg> unplug the wired nic and nwam should scan the wifi and throw up a list of scanned hubs (if you're logged into the desktop)
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[01:55:26] <seagull_7> I like the sound of that!   ok will try it
[01:55:27] <seanmcg> or it'll tell you that it connected to foo wifi.
[01:55:56] <seanmcg> thats the am in nwam, auto magic :)
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[01:57:31] <seagull_7> ok, when i tried to add it as a alias it told me it was already set up, i looked and indeed, it's in the alias file, aparently it updated jus before it rebooted last time
[01:57:45] <sstallion> seagull_7: issue: dladm show-phys
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[01:58:12] <seagull_7> it's showing the wired interface only
[01:58:45] <seanmcg> ifconfig -a ?
[01:58:46] <seagull_7> when i issued the dladm command as you indicated
[01:58:51] <seagull_7> ifconfig -a
[01:58:54] <seagull_7> ok
[01:59:09] <seagull_7> just showing 2 loopback and the wired
[01:59:58] <seanmcg> dmesg | grep <your wifi card's nic eg iwk>
[01:59:58] <seagull_7> i don't think the driver is loaded
[02:00:07] <seanmcg> modinfo | grep <nic name>
[02:00:28] <seanmcg> ...that will show if the driver (aka module) is loaded
[02:00:33] <seagull_7> not loaded
[02:00:36] <sstallion> probably failing to attach
[02:00:42] <sstallion> seagull_7: issue: update_drv <driver>
[02:00:45] <sstallion> don't specify an alias
[02:01:32] <seagull_7> Driver (ral) successfully added to system but failed to attach
[02:02:11] <sstallion> doesnt sound like your card is supported with that driver
[02:02:21] <seagull_7> the driver originally had alias pci1814,201  I added pci1814,301
[02:02:42] <seagull_7> it's the same model number card. i guess they changed something with the chip?
[02:02:52] <sstallion> its possible
[02:03:20] <sstallion> 1814 is a vendor ID
[02:03:25] <seagull_7> yes
[02:03:36] <sstallion> the device id's are different, so it suggests that there is a difference between the two
[02:03:54] <seagull_7> ok
[02:04:01] <sstallion> best thing to do is to contact the driver developer requesting support for your chipset
[02:04:03] <seagull_7> should there be messages somewhere in the log?
[02:04:10] <sstallion> depends on the driver implementation
[02:04:28] <sstallion> typically the fact that it fails to attach is considered 'enough'
[02:04:35] <seagull_7> lol
[02:04:49] <sstallion> seagull_7: ?
[02:04:54] <sstallion> if a driver doesnt work it doesnt work
[02:04:57] <seagull_7> ok
[02:05:00] <sstallion> its not going to hold your hand :)
[02:05:30] <sstallion> shoot off a mail to driver-discuss or networking-discuss
[02:05:33] <sstallion> someone may be able to help
[02:05:52] <sstallion> I'm not familiar with ral, but let me see if i can dig anything up
[02:05:52] <seagull_7> ok, i will do it, thanks
[02:06:03] <seagull_7> ralink 2500 wireless
[02:06:17] <sstallion> was the driver part of ON ?
[02:06:28] <sstallion> ahh here it is
[02:07:13] <seagull_7> EW-7128g Edimax card
[02:07:29] <seagull_7> the driver was already in opensolaris
[02:08:04] <seagull_7> it's a pci card in a desktop computer
[02:08:30] <sstallion> interesting
[02:08:31] <seagull_7> i hate laptop computers, i use my desktop like a laptop :)
[02:08:36] <sstallion> driver doesnt appear to use DMA
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[02:09:05] <sstallion> the driver seems to suggest support for a 2560 only
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[02:09:40] <sstallion> I would suggest sending an email to request support for your card to damien.bergamini at free dot fr and driver-discuss
[02:09:49] <sstallion> (bergamini is the original author of the driver)
[02:10:12] <seagull_7> ok, where are you finding this info?
[02:10:19] <sstallion> the driver source
[02:10:24] <seagull_7> ah ok
[02:10:32] <seagull_7> is that from ON?
[02:10:36] <sstallion> hrmm it does use DMA, but attach suggests PIO
[02:10:43] <sstallion> yes
[02:10:52] <sstallion> usr/src/uts/common/io/ral
[02:10:57] <seagull_7> I'm planning on installing ON in the near future
[02:11:11] <seagull_7> are you compiling with sun compiler or gnu?
[02:11:13] <sstallion> most of the things I work on are wired, so im not very familiar with wireless devices
[02:11:23] <sstallion> studio
[02:11:28] <seagull_7> ok
[02:12:25] <seagull_7> Thanks for your help tonight, and mary and sean too.  You all helped me out a lot!
[02:13:04] <sstallion> anytime... email is your best bet at this point; it may be a fairly straightforward addition, but you never know until you ask
[02:13:21] <seagull_7> ok
[02:14:04] <seagull_7> i think this driver comes from bsd
[02:14:20] <seagull_7> it just seems i read that somewhere tonight
[02:14:55] <sstallion> it uses DDI/DKI interfaces - its possible that it could have been ported or the BSD impl was used as an inspiration
[02:15:06] <sstallion> the license suggests a single author so I would suspect it be the later
[02:16:10] <seanmcg> the opensrc site for the ral gpl'd src: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com
[02:16:29] <sstallion> there are no gpl'd bits in ON
[02:17:04] <seanmcg> aye, though ralink tech may have given a non-gpl'd reference driver out..
[02:21:25] <sstallion> I would suspect if that were the case, the code would still retain the original copyright
[02:21:45] <sstallion> its not uncommon to see drivers cross polinated between operating systems
[02:21:54] <sstallion> particularly between the BSD's
[02:21:57] <seagull_7> I sent an email off to the author
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[02:22:12] <sstallion> did you cc driver-discuss?
[02:22:32] <seagull_7> no, let me do that
[02:23:18] <seanmcg> or laptop-discuss
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[02:24:02] <seagull_7> i can't find any information about discussion groups off the opensolaris.org/os/ page
[02:24:26] <seanmcg> the *BSD driver page for ral lists the EW-7128g as supported.
[02:24:29] <seagull_7> oops, it' off help
[02:24:42] <seagull_7> yeah it says that on the opensolaris page too
[02:25:14] <sstallion> seagull_7: make sure you send the contents of a prtconf -vp as well
[02:25:49] <seagull_7> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wireless_driver_compatible_list/
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[02:26:25] <seagull_7> and then from that page it links to http://ralink.rapla.net/
[02:26:35] <sstallion> seagull_7: mailto:driver-discuss-subscribe at opensolaris dot org
[02:26:41] <seagull_7> and on there, it says the EW-7128 is supported
[02:27:19] <seagull_7> well, maybe it just says there that the EW-7128 uses their chip
[02:28:24] <RavenSlay3r> Yea! after 2+ hours reading about ACLs i can finally make
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[02:28:36] <RavenSlay3r> 'make clean' 'make all' my project from across the lan
[02:28:41] <RavenSlay3r> :) ...
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[02:31:04] <seagull_7> ok, i joined driver-discuss, thanks sstallion
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[02:37:17] <sstallion> seagull_7: sure. hope things get worked out for you!
[02:37:28] <seagull_7> on the gpl page for the rt2x00 project, it talks about some devices needing firmware download...
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[04:49:17] <techqbert> I just installed SUNWsmbfs on indiana and now I get "krtld: error during initial load/link phase" the thing won't boot and i can't "beadm mount opensolaris"
[04:49:21] <techqbert> what's the deal?
[04:51:03] <techqbert> no other BE works either.  The idea of several BE looked great until I realized none of them boot
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[04:55:07] <techqbert> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2195  arghhhhhhh
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[05:06:04] <techqbert> guys.  i just lost everything.  all I wanted was the cifs kernel server and now I can't see anything in rpool.
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[05:07:26] <techqbert> I just wiped the old data off my working old linux raid1 figuring stable osol + zfs was going to be fine before i move data from /home/$user to /tank/documents.  damn it guys.
[05:08:08] <wonko2> there are these things called backups, do you have them?
[05:08:47] <wonko2> if not you'll find you won't get much sympathy from us. ;)
[05:08:59] <techqbert> wonko2: don't get sarcastic.  I figured osol would be okay literally thirty minutes after I wiped my raid1 backup
[05:09:31] <wonko2> until you made a change to your system and broke it. ;)
[05:09:48] <wonko2> always assume any change, no matter how insignificant will totally hose your machine
[05:10:28] <wonko2> there is a reason my primary solaris box is still running build 64a and hasn't been upgraded yet
[05:10:31] <wonko2> ;)
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[05:11:42] <wonko2> can you boot into something like milax and import your zpool?
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[05:12:29] <techqbert> apparently my /home/directory wasn't in rpool
[05:12:55] <techqbert> wonko2: any idea how to get the data back if its not in rpool?
[05:13:26] <wonko2> where else would it have been?  did you have multiple pools?
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[05:14:46] <techqbert> wonko2: no.  under /rpool/, there was root and boot (both empty).  when I did zfs scrub rpool it did take a while though.  I let osol200805 automatically partition upon installation
[05:15:47] <techqbert> wonko2: perhaps my unpopulated /rpool/ explains why my beadm never worked??  what should the sensible defaults be for the osol partitioner?
[05:17:04] <wonko2> i can't speak for 200805 as i won't touch that crap, but osol just makes a handful of zfs filesystems in rpool
[05:18:19] <wonko2> this is the default setup for b97
[05:18:21] <wonko2> wonko@wintermute$ zfs list
[05:18:21] <wonko2> NAME               USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
[05:18:21] <wonko2> SYS0              26.0G  83.3G    36K  /SYS0
[05:18:21] <wonko2> SYS0/ROOT         7.01G  83.3G    18K  legacy
[05:18:24] <wonko2> SYS0/ROOT/snv_97  7.01G  83.3G  7.01G  /
[05:18:26] <wonko2> SYS0/dump         2.00G  83.3G  2.00G  -
[05:18:28] <wonko2> SYS0/export       11.5G  83.3G    22K  /export
[05:18:31] <wonko2> SYS0/export/home  11.5G  83.3G  11.5G  /export/home
[05:18:34] <wonko2> SYS0/swap         2.00G  85.3G    16K  -
[05:18:49] <techqbert> wonko2: does b97 come by cd or dvd?
[05:19:09] <techqbert> so how do I get at a zfs file system that is not in a pool.  I don't get it.
[05:20:14] <wonko2> you don't as there is no such thing
[05:20:22] <wonko2> all zfs filesystems are part of a zpool
[05:20:26] <techqbert> in linux, i would just run gentoo minimal off cd and mount the drive, or better yet just chroot and recompile the kernel.
[05:20:40] <wonko2> google milax
[05:20:51] <wonko2> it's a "livecd" of solaris, including zfs support
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[05:21:05] <techqbert> i wonder why my rpool was so vacant.  I exported rpool by nfs to my gentoo machine and it was absolutely empty.
[05:23:44] * techqbert is downloading milax.
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[05:27:48] * techqbert is burning milax
[05:28:53] <Gnu_Raiz> Why oh why doesn't the release team for sxce make an iso that fits on 750 MB cdrs?
[05:29:27] <Gnu_Raiz> I burned two coasters and had to use a dvd just to get the extra 100 mb I needed.
[05:30:08] <victori_> anyone run postgres on zfs? safe to disable fsync option? since all operations are atomic on zfs?
[05:30:40] <Gnu_Raiz> the iso was 848 mbs.
[05:31:15] <Gnu_Raiz> even with taiyo yuden media, I could not overburn.
[05:33:01] <e^ipi> Gnu_Raiz: why are you using the CD's?
[05:33:04] <e^ipi> just use the DVD
[05:33:11] <e^ipi> CD's are occasionally broken
[05:33:37] <e^ipi> for that matter, why use either, just grab the DVD iso and jumpstart the thing
[05:33:42] <Gnu_Raiz> I had a stack of yt and thought that I would use some.
[05:33:51] <e^ipi> that's silly
[05:34:03] <e^ipi> at the very least "burn CD1, boot, install off the DVD iso"
[05:34:25] <Gnu_Raiz> I built a new computer and did not want to use the may iso of opensolaris as I wanted the sxce to be more current.
[05:34:51] <e^ipi> so... why didn't you download the DVD iso?
[05:36:16] <_mary_kate_> IPS and SXCE are about the same currency
[05:36:21] <_mary_kate_> (one build behind, at the moment)
[05:36:56] <Gnu_Raiz> I was going to try belenix, but they don't use the current package system.
[05:37:02] <RavenSlay3r> does smb/cifs only allow one client to open a file read/write at a time?
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[05:38:46] <Gnu_Raiz> I have the 200805 live cd, but I thought a few patches would be fixed that I might need.
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[05:40:10] <techqbert> anybody have any idea how to grab data off an unbootable / drive?
[05:41:26] <RavenSlay3r> techqbert: plug in a secondary/slave drive in a working computer and copy the data off
[05:41:40] <RavenSlay3r> *plug the unbootable drive in as a slave drive that is
[05:42:17] <wonko2> no luck with milax?
[05:42:38] <RavenSlay3r> now why can't multiple clients open a file with write-access at the same time?
[05:42:54] <techqbert> wonko2: i'm not quite sure where to start.  zpool import tank or rpool can't even be forced.
[05:43:00] <RavenSlay3r> seeing as they only need a write-lock when their actually writing data?
[05:43:27] <wonko2> why not? what's the error?
[05:43:34] <techqbert> RavenSlay3r: that sounds great but one strange issue I have is that it appears that osol 200805 didn't plunk my ~/ (where important data is) in the rpool
[05:43:43] <techqbert> wonko2: its saying the disk in use.
[05:44:28] <techqbert> it says failed when I try the -f flag
[05:44:48] <wonko2> that's rather odd
[05:44:59] <wonko2> what does format say about your partition table?
[05:45:24] <techqbert> wonko2: all available.
[05:45:43] <wonko2> ?
[05:46:30] <RavenSlay3r> techqbert: I guess i can't help you in terms of ZFS - thats just what i've done numerous times in the non-ZFS world... sorry :-/
[05:46:50] <techqbert> wow now its saying rpool doesn't exist
[05:47:47] <techqbert> RavenSlay3r: I understand.  I'll probably try compiling a gentoo kernel with zfs-fuse if I have no luck here.  my freebsd machine sounds appealing but its embedded.
[05:48:11] <wonko2> techqbert: are you sure that disk is ok?
[05:48:33] <wonko2> zpools don't just disappear. :)
[05:50:28] <techqbert> ah wait.  it is mounted but some mounts failed.  /rpool/home, /rpool, /rpool/home/export, /rpool/ROOT failed
[05:50:47] <RavenSlay3r> techqbert: I don't know for sure, but I've heard the linux/zfs implementation isn't 100% and since Sun invented ZFS, i can't imagine you'd be any better off ...
[05:51:07] <RavenSlay3r> unfortunetly solaris brings a bit of a learning curve with it i've discovered
[05:51:14] <e^ipi> linux/zfs is totally fucking broken
[05:51:18] <e^ipi> it's not just "not 100%"
[05:51:31] <RavenSlay3r> e^ipi: thanks for clarifying ;)
[05:51:36] <wonko2> s/\/zfs//
[05:51:41] <e^ipi> wonko2++
[05:52:08] * wonko2 bows
[05:52:09] <techqbert> /rpool/boot worked though.  anybody in here having working/updated osol 200805?  my unix can't be found at /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[05:52:14] <e^ipi> techqbert: you can't mount that stuff for some reason?
[05:52:25] <e^ipi> check the mountpoint ( zfs get mountpoint ) and make sure it's empty
[05:53:26] <techqbert> e^ipi: under root debug mode on non-booting BE on the machine that won't boot up, or from milax?
[05:54:15] <e^ipi> wait, you're not booted in to the fs in question?
[05:54:23] <e^ipi> oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense
[05:54:30] <e^ipi> you'll need to change the mountpoint around
[05:54:46] <e^ipi> zfs set mountpoint=/tmp/home rpool/home
[05:54:57] <e^ipi> where /tmp/home is anywhere you feel like
[05:55:04] <e^ipi> (that is empty)
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[05:55:32] <e^ipi> because it's a root pool it doesn't inherit it's mountpoint properly so it still tries to mount to /export/home
[05:55:40] <e^ipi> which probably won't work
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[05:56:43] <techqbert> e^ipi: i'm following ya but that mount statement doesn't work
[05:57:47] <techqbert> invalid dataset name under /rpool/home/
[05:58:00] <e^ipi> not /rpool/home
[05:58:04] <e^ipi> rpool/home
[05:58:09] <e^ipi> note the lack of '/'
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[05:58:52] <techqbert> heh nice.  mount failed.  property may be set but unable to reshare filesystem
[05:59:32] <techqbert> e^ipi: something to note.  I recently mkdir /rpool/home/ before I rebooted my osol 200805 machine when it didn't come up.  /rpool/home/ has nothing in it.  /export/home/jim/ was where my data was at
[05:59:53] <e^ipi> remove sharing ( zfs set sharenfs=off rpool/home ) and do the same with 'sharesmb' instead of 'sharenfs'
[06:00:09] <e^ipi> well, whatever, it'll inherit the mountpoint
[06:00:18] <wonko2> rpool/home is set to mount at /export/home not /rpool/home
[06:00:28] <wonko2> so nothing will ever be at /rpool/home
[06:02:58] <techqbert> e^ipi: this is so bizarre.  i did zfs get mountpoint | less and found that my working opensolaris root was /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris.  I mount that under milax at /media/osolroot, I go to /media/osolroot/export.  ls.  nothing! no /media/osolroot/export/home/jim/
[06:03:56] <wonko2> home is a seperate filesystem
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[06:04:36] <wonko2> rpool/home/export (or something like that)
[06:04:43] <wonko2> check its mountpoint property
[06:05:25] <techqbert> ah strange.  when I mounted rpool earlier.  the milax file system grabbed my original /export/home/jim/ and put it right there on milax.
[06:06:24] <techqbert> wonko2: e^ipi: thanks for the heads up guys.  you guys got a linux/bsd guy thinking and working his way through this new os.
[06:09:10] * techqbert is cp'ing from /export/home/jim/backup to /tank/backup/ the latter is a 1.2tb raidz
[06:09:43] <wonko2> glad we could help
[06:09:46] <wonko2> that's what we're here for
[06:10:14] <wonko2> i hope this experience hasn't soured you to solaris. :)
[06:12:44] <wonko2> i'm really liking compiz, but do i like it enough to continue to put up with this java desktop crap?
[06:14:13] <Auralis_> that java desktop crap is just normal gnome crap
[06:14:23] <wonko2> yes
[06:14:35] <wonko2> which is why i don't like it, i'm not a fan of gnome either
[06:15:01] <Auralis_> just install a wm of your liking and be done with it
[06:15:01] <techqbert> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#Update_Inst I think the release notes would have saved me.  hrm.  so I heard beadm is superceding liveupgrade in sxce soon.  is this true?
[06:15:58] <techqbert> wonko2: yeah compiz is pretty decent on my linux machines.  i can stomach gnome with compiz when I'm away from fluxbox ;)  I hope updating the default osol200805 will make SUNWsmbfs stsable
[06:16:18] <techqbert> I really should be getting work done for school rather than dabbling in a new platform though
[06:16:32] <wonko2> mmmmm, fluxbox
[06:16:34] <wonko2> my favorite
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[06:17:41] <wonko2> i just got a new laptop and decided to put osol on it
[06:17:53] <wonko2> i wasn't even trying to, i was just clicking on things in the appearances section
[06:17:58] <wonko2> and managed to turn on compiz
[06:18:16] <wonko2> which i've never used before (it doesn't work well on the FireGL at work)
[06:19:29] <wonko2> the cube is cute, but i could live without it
[06:19:43] <wonko2> the cube unfold function though is extremely nice
[06:19:45] <wonko2> that i like
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[07:00:46] <_mary_kate_> i think it's a shame the linux people mostly push compiz because it makes the desktop look nice
[07:01:01] <_mary_kate_> it's much more interesting to use things like that to make the desktop better to use
[07:02:07] <wonko2> being a fluxbox user, a nice looking desktop isn't high on my list of things i care about.
[07:02:18] <wonko2> but the "box unfold" is actually quite useful
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[07:02:33] <aghaster> Hi
[07:02:36] <wonko2> it's too bad i can't run the bits of compiz i like with fluxbox. ;)
[07:03:28] <aghaster> I tried to install a driver manually and now my opensolaris system won't boot. I get the maintenance mode but my partition is mounted as read-only
[07:03:41] <aghaster> how can I mount a partition in Solaris with read/write access?
[07:04:05] <aghaster> fdisk -l does not list the disks and partitions as it would on Linux so I'm lost
[07:08:00] <e^ipi> no, but format(1M) does
[07:11:33] <aghaster> ok
[07:12:51] <aghaster> ok, I found that my partition is /dev/dsk/c4d0s1
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[07:16:38] <Tempt> wonko2: Fluxbox *is* a nice looking desktop
[07:20:42] <aghaster> how could I remount /dev/dsk/c4d0s0 on / with read/write access?
[07:21:11] <aghaster> mount -F ? /dev/dsk/c4d0s0 /
[07:21:22] <Tempt> mount -o remount,rw /dev/dsk/c4d0s0 /
[07:22:13] <Tempt> if it complains about not being able to annoy mnttab, try adding a -m
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[07:22:34] <aghaster> how can I specify ZFS?
[07:22:48] <wonko2> Tempt: i think so too. :)
[07:22:50] <aghaster> it complains about "/dev/dsk/c4d0s1 is not this fstype"
[07:23:36] <wonko2> if your root filesystem ZFS?
[07:23:42] <wonko2> s/if/is/
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[07:24:32] <aghaster> yes, it is ZFS
[07:24:34] <Tempt> If your root filesystem is on ZFS, you won't be poking at it with the mount command.
[07:24:47] <wonko2> Tempt: will ZFS Root mount RO?
[07:24:51] <wonko2> i didn't think it did that
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[07:24:55] <e^ipi> it doesn't
[07:24:57] <Tempt> I've not had to try to remount a ZFS root, so I don't have a stack of answers.
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[07:25:09] <aghaster> well that's what happens, my file system is mounted as read-only
[07:25:16] <aghaster> this is  opensolaris 2008.05
[07:26:16] <wonko2> e^ipi: is it just me, or has every broken opensolaris issue today been for indiana and not real opensolaris? ;)
[07:26:47] <e^ipi> *cough*
[07:28:50] <Tempt> A stunning observation.
[07:29:05] <wonko2> i'll go back to being quiet now. :)
[07:29:27] <Tempt> I should fire up a modern SXCE on this T2000 in an LDOM. That should be a cackle.
[07:31:41] * Tempt is struck by Sunday Boredom.
[07:32:45] * wonko2 is struck by he wishes his wife would get home from work so they can go to bed
[07:32:59] <e^ipi> working on a saturday night?
[07:33:06] <e^ipi> ( also, TMI )
[07:33:31] <wonko2> she is a chef for a catering company
[07:33:37] <wonko2> and TO SLEEP you perv
[07:33:38] <Tempt> e^ipi: He *could* have been talking about sleeping, heh.
[07:33:38] <wonko2> ;)
[07:34:11] <e^ipi> sleep is a solitary exercise.
[07:34:12] <wonko2> ugh
[07:34:25] <wonko2> pkgsrc is not working out the way i had hoped it would
[07:39:29] <aghaster> ok... I have read/write access in /export
[07:39:41] <aghaster> but the file I need to delete is /kernel/drv/amd64/bfe
[07:39:46] <aghaster> and each time I try to delete it
[07:39:53] <aghaster> it says error, read-only filesystem
[07:41:32] <aghaster> it also says "override protection 644 (yes/no)"
[07:42:31] <wonko2> i give up
[07:42:40] <wonko2> i'm selling all my computers and getting a job as a janitor
[07:43:00] <Tempt> Evil Janitor?
[07:44:18] <wonko2> you could totally apply the concepts of BOFH to janitorial work
[07:44:34] <e^ipi> ever watched Scrubs?
[07:44:42] <e^ipi> that kind of janitor.
[07:44:43] <Tempt> Exactly.
[07:45:06] <aghaster> how can I modify my grub entry so that solaris boots in safe mode?
[07:45:27] <Tempt> safe mode?
[07:45:39] <Tempt> I've been away from the bleeding edge too long, it's turning into Windows 95.
[07:45:43] <e^ipi> aghaster: man -s 5 grub
[07:46:50] <e^ipi> and the "See Also" links on that man page
[07:47:48] <aghaster> the thing is... I cannot even run man
[07:48:01] <aghaster> it says "nroff: cannot create temp file"
[07:48:06] <aghaster> whenever I want to run man
[07:48:31] <e^ipi> so use the one on google
[07:48:32] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2252/grub-5?a=view
[07:48:41] <aghaster> oh, thanks
[07:49:38] <Tempt> How exactly did you break your system to this extent?
[07:51:11] <aghaster> I copied a driver to /kernel/drv/amd64/
[07:51:23] <aghaster> and then edited /etc/driver_aliases to add it
[07:51:42] <aghaster> and when I reboot, it now tells me that this was a shitty move and that I need to fix that
[07:51:59] <aghaster> and for some reason the file system is read-only
[07:52:00] <e^ipi> so you already know your solution, excellent.
[07:52:11] <aghaster> so I cannot revert what I did.
[07:53:40] <Tempt> what, no snapshot?
[07:53:44] <aghaster> I've been trying to get write access to that file for two hours now
[07:53:45] <aghaster> :(
[07:53:56] <aghaster> shouldn't be THAT hard.
[07:53:59] <Tempt> boot off the CD, import the pool and poke it with a stick?
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[07:54:13] <aghaster> how do I import the pool from the CD?
[07:54:38] <aghaster> I tried booting the CD but then I realized that it had a user account in which you were automatically logged
[07:54:56] <aghaster> unless I know the root password for the live distro that loads on the CD
[07:55:09] <Tempt> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle
[07:55:59] <e^ipi> google://opensolaris+root+password
[07:56:52] <aghaster> oh... the password is opensolaris
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[09:19:58] <charlie_lab> hi again folks ... after a fesh install (on a lenono t61 laptop), i've updated all installed packages using the package manager, but after d/l'ing the updates, the installer hangs after installing a number of packages (once it hung on a usb package and now it has hung on the zsh package) ... should i not attempt the updates then ?
[09:20:47] <charlie_lab> ... or a try a more 'controlled' update (ie a few packages at a time) ?
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[09:47:41] <sickness> morning all
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[10:16:54] <oxygene> e^ipi: until it grows an IPS?
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[11:34:26] <kaleb> Does anyone have a clue why my cyrillic letters turn into questionmarks when mounting a filesystem with them over nfs?
[11:36:40] <e^ipi> because you don't have the encoding installed
[11:37:11] <kaleb> how do install them :) ?
[11:37:53] <trygvis> does NFS specify the encoding of the path names?
[11:37:57] <kaleb> I just migrated to opensolaris from debian so i'm new to this
[11:38:04] <e^ipi> google://how+to+install+solaris+software
[11:38:06] <kaleb> trygvis: no
[11:39:05] <kaleb> e^ipi: well, i know how to pkg install foo, but i do not know what the packagename is
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[11:40:01] <e^ipi> oh, indiana
[11:40:02] <e^ipi> no idea
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[11:47:03] <cmihai> kaleb: on Solaris you use localeadm to install locale packages and such, not packages.
[11:47:09] <cmihai> No idea about Indiana though.
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[11:47:53] <evocallaghan> cmhai:ping
[11:48:33] <cmihai> SUNWrumoz and SUNWruxwsvr are the russian locales. And SUNWgnome-l10nmessages-ru for gnome (on Solaris 10).
[11:48:50] <kaleb> cmihai: I don't understan, Is indiana opensolaris 2008.05? So what are you guys running?
[11:49:09] <cmihai> Yes, Indiana is OpenSolaris 2008.05 (and whatever comes next).
[11:49:24] <evocallaghan> cmihai:Hey, I hear you hang out on #ada
[11:49:42] <cmihai> It's a stripped down SXCE (from 1 DVD to 1CD) to make it redistributable, with some of the remaining stuff bundled in the apt-get slow-ass python clone (IPS/pkg)
[11:49:50] <cmihai> evocallaghan: sometimes, yes.
[11:49:55] <kaleb> cmihai: great! thanx, I have been wondering about that.
[11:50:12] <cmihai> It's also missing some commercial drivers and stuff I guess.
[11:50:41] <evocallaghan> cmihai:Ah yes, very good! I started learning some Ada on my own. Do you have the full toolchain all packaged up and maintained on Solaris then ?
[11:50:58] <cmihai> Just grab gcc-ada off Blastwave.
[11:50:58] <evocallaghan> cmihai:I was talking to Dennis the other day
[11:51:01] <kaleb> cmihai: I have a copy of solaris 10 in my bookshelf, should I go with that instead?
[11:51:02] <cmihai> It contains gnat and so on.
[11:51:17] <evocallaghan> gcc --version ?
[11:51:20] <cmihai> kaleb: Solaris 10 is the production OS. AKA stable aka old.
[11:51:28] <cmihai> gcc 4.
[11:51:31] <cmihai> It's 4.3.something in the latest blastwave iirc.
[11:51:31] <evocallaghan> ah yes
[11:51:36] <evocallaghan> OK
[11:51:45] <cmihai> You want gnat, that's gcc4-ada or something. Look on Blastwave's pkg list.
[11:51:54] <evocallaghan> Do you use GPS as your IDe btw ?
[11:51:55] <cmihai> EMACS has ADA mode btw :-).
[11:51:59] <cmihai> Nope, EMACS.
[11:52:07] <evocallaghan> ah yes
[11:52:21] <evocallaghan> I'm looking into bring ada support to NetBeans
[11:52:23] <kaleb> cmihai: so the SXCE is the way to go for the real solaris but recent?
[11:52:25] <evocallaghan> That would be good
[11:52:35] <evocallaghan> kaleb:Yes.
[11:52:37] <cmihai> kaleb: It is for me.
[11:52:40] <e^ipi> kaleb: that's what I use
[11:52:47] * trygvis too
[11:52:53] <cmihai> OpenSolaris takes a different dirrection, that's all.
[11:53:09] <cmihai> It's as you'd say... a Solaris distro.
[11:53:12] <cmihai> the Ubuntu of Solaris.
[11:53:13] <cmihai> hehe
[11:53:37] <trygvis> hehe
[11:53:42] <evocallaghan> Wait till OpenSolaris2008.11 final else use SXCE
[11:53:57] <evocallaghan> Its rather broken at the moment and it could just put you off
[11:54:21] <evocallaghan> cmihai:http://forums.netbeans.org/topic1559.html
[11:54:50] <evocallaghan> Whats the deal with Solaris and N:M theading, does it work, have we got it?
[11:55:19] <e^ipi> go pick up a copy of solaris internals , it explains it in great detail
[11:55:35] <evocallaghan> No money at the moment :p
[11:56:22] <evocallaghan> Is it anyone in particular on Google, I was looking but cant find the right details
[11:57:16] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/software/whitepapers/solaris9/multithread.pdf
[11:58:21] <e^ipi> the long and short of it is that solaris moved away from n:m in favour of 1:1 because it's more efficient
[11:59:35] <evocallaghan> ok
[11:59:53] <evocallaghan> Thanks, I was just looking into why NetBSd had it
[12:00:06] <e^ipi> netbsd isn't well known for being a speed demon
[12:00:22] <e^ipi> or threading particularly well
[12:00:26] <evocallaghan> Thanks for the heads up, I am off to get something to eat
[12:00:31] <trygvis> is there any operating system that doesn't support n:m?
[12:00:38] <evocallaghan> ha! funny how you say 'demon'
[12:00:51] <e^ipi> oh it supports it
[12:00:55] <cmihai> Don't really see the point of a NetBeans based ADA IDE, but whatever. It's just bound to be syntax highlighting support, parens matching support, code foliding support and running gnat for you.
[12:01:07] <cmihai> With hints of code refactoring and UML something or other never working
[12:01:16] <cmihai> And maybe a debugger.
[12:01:18] <cmihai> Stick to EMACS.
[12:01:35] <e^ipi> i could never get IDE's to work for me
[12:01:42] <e^ipi> they always just get in my way and frustrate me
[12:01:44] <codestr0m> my IPS update failed with this ( http://rafb.net/p/ExUHaZ39.html )  OSError: [Errno 90] Number of symbolic links encountered during path name traversal exceeds MAXSYMLINKS: '/tmp/tmpfMb41V/var/svc/profile/inetd_generic.xml'
[12:01:57] <Tempt> while :; do vi code ; compile code ; run executable ; done
[12:02:01] <Tempt> IDE of champions
[12:02:03] <evocallaghan> cmihai: I do like NetBeans as it a nice IDE for *me* to use and supports a lot of stuff, like Java GUI builder etc
[12:02:20] <e^ipi> Tempt: typically what i do yeah, but why are you pissing around with leaving vi to compile & run?
[12:02:30] <e^ipi> you can run commands from within vim itself
[12:02:35] <Tempt> Very true.
[12:02:37] <evocallaghan> Tempt: I have NetBeans in vi mode ;)
[12:02:42] <cmihai> evocallaghan: sure, but it's for JAVA.
[12:02:43] <Tempt> But that's harder to explain in a few characters.
[12:02:52] <cmihai> Trying to make it work for other languages ends up in miserable failure.
[12:03:07] <Tempt> Besides, I prefer to use screen to jump between editor and runtime
[12:03:14] <Tempt> Yet another winning day for screen.
[12:03:21] <cmihai> And I KNOW about miserable failure. I have 40GB of Eclipse stuff on my disk.
[12:03:22] <evocallaghan> I like to have *one* IDE to fullfill my needs
[12:03:27] <cmihai> Eclipse.
[12:03:32] <cmihai> It has EVERYTHING
[12:03:35] <e^ipi> vim *nod*
[12:03:44] <cmihai> hehe
[12:03:46] <e^ipi> balls to your "IDE"
[12:04:01] <cmihai> Note: having everything in your IDE will just end up with a bunch of incompatible plugins that kill your IDE when you update.
[12:04:02] <e^ipi> if i wanted it to autocomplete my class names incorrectly, i'd have typed them incorrectly
[12:04:03] <evocallaghan> I hate Eclpse !
[12:04:09] <evocallaghan> now that is a crap IDE
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[12:04:35] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:haha
[12:04:36] <Tempt> Yeah, that must be why 90% of java developers use it.
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[12:04:47] <Tempt> Prolonged exposure to Java may cause use of Eclipse.
[12:04:56] <cmihai> The other 10% use something like Rational something or other, which is commercial eclipse :P
[12:05:00] * evocallaghan gives up java
[12:05:01] <codestr0m> Tempt: umm. 90% of java developers use it because 90% of java developers are slow by design to charge more money
[12:05:14] <codestr0m> and too lazy to invest the time/mentality to learn something new
[12:05:21] <Tempt> As per my health warning before.
[12:05:44] <e^ipi> unfortunately most of "something new" is shite
[12:05:54] <codestr0m> there's also the occasional stupid company which forces people to use it in the paste because project files were incompatible.. not the case so much anymore
[12:06:05] <evocallaghan> Well cool, NetBeans works for me (C/ASM/PHP/Java/HTML)
[12:06:06] <cmihai> Try doing code refactoring, UML, reverse engeneering, code generation, and support features like EJB3 without Eclipse :-)
[12:06:09] <e^ipi> the only web framework that isn't a total piece of crap is JavaEE
[12:06:21] <e^ipi> well, i'm told .net is actually pretty decent, but it only runs on windows
[12:06:27] <codestr0m> e^ipi: while use vim for quite a few quick hacks. if you use it for java.. that's umm. less than optimal imho
[12:06:38] <Tempt> Well, there *is* that .net clone named after a disease.
[12:06:40] <e^ipi> codestr0m: then you're not using it right
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[12:07:35] <cmihai> And try doing all the XML and ant bull in vi.
[12:07:40] <codestr0m> e^ipi: ok.. so you run your app and get a stack. how to do you quickly analyze that and navigation where you want..  inside intellij I also have vim syntax so can do everything with normal vim in the editor and use other resources
[12:09:56] <cmihai> Try doing XML + XML Schema / DTD / Relax and WSDL / SOAP stuff in vim :-)
[12:10:30] <evocallaghan> Its fine, with NetBeans in vim mode
[12:10:33] <codestr0m> cmihai: there's no sense in arguing this point more.. being productive isn't about opinion
[12:11:03] <evocallaghan> http://blogs.sun.com/katakai/entry/vi_plugin_for_netbeans_6
[12:11:10] <evocallaghan> yes
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[12:11:42] <cmihai> VI plugin - because NetBeans isn't complicated enough.
[12:11:47] <cmihai> Now you need to type :wq!
[12:11:49] <cmihai> heh
[12:11:55] <evocallaghan> Right, I should be down the road by now getting food.. what am I doing ?(rhetorical)
[12:12:14] <cmihai> Does it force you to use hjkl? :-)
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[12:17:42] <evocallaghan> cmihai:Yes, that works. But you are not 'forced' to
[12:17:48] * evocallaghan &
[12:18:47] <cmihai> Pff, if it was REAL vi arrow keys just printed newlineDDDD :-))
[12:20:44] <Tempt> Since when?
[12:20:54] <Tempt> I can't remember when I last used a vi with no arrow key support
[12:23:22] <evocallaghan> vi or vim
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[12:29:10] <Tempt> I think the last time I used a vi with no arrow key support was on ULTRIX. A long time ago. And that might have just been mangled termcap
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[12:53:06] <xenon_0> hello
[12:53:12] <xenon_0> i have a problem
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[12:53:38] <Tempt> Seek professional help?
[12:53:43] <xenon_0> no
[12:53:46] <xenon_0> home help
[12:53:57] <xenon_0> i have a problem with my network intefrace.
[12:54:05] <xenon_0> ifconfig is seeing lo0
[12:54:13] <xenon_0> but i can't manage it in network-admin
[12:54:25] <xenon_0> i disabled nwamd because it was not working
[12:54:39] <xenon_0> (lo0 is over ethernet cable)
[12:54:41] <cmihai> Good.
[12:54:48] <cmihai> dladm show-dev && dladm show-link
[12:54:57] <xenon_0> i do that
[12:54:57] <cmihai> Loopback is no good :P
[12:55:43] <xenon_0> it doesnt return anything
[12:55:57] <cmihai> Congratulations, you don't have a supported network interface card installed.
[12:56:03] <xenon_0> wow
[12:56:04] <xenon_0> :D
[12:56:13] <cmihai> I suggest you check the HCL.
[12:56:13] <xenon_0> i'm very happy =) thanks a lot
[12:56:25] <xenon_0> lol
[12:56:28] <xenon_0> i'll try.
[12:56:35] <cmihai> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sx/
[12:57:09] <cmihai> Get an Intel something or other.
[12:57:20] <xenon_0> k
[12:57:26] <cmihai> e1000g works great with Intel Gigabit.
[12:57:27] <xenon_0> msi?
[12:57:40] <xenon_0> this is not a laptop
[12:57:46] <cmihai> msi?
[12:57:50] <xenon_0> yes
[12:57:58] <xenon_0> my network card is integrated on the motherboard
[12:58:11] <xenon_0> i have 2 motherboards that i can use
[12:58:15] <xenon_0> the other here is a msi
[12:58:16] <cmihai> I figured. And it's not supported. Get a Intel PRO/1000 or something like that.
[12:58:28] <xenon_0> ok.....
[12:58:37] <cmihai> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sx/components/views/networking_all_results.page1.html
[12:58:41] <cmihai> Or any one of these
[12:59:04] <cmihai> And remember to plumb it up.
[12:59:09] <xenon_0> ok
[12:59:21] <xenon_0> i think i'll buy the sun workstation directly :D
[12:59:23] <cmihai> dladm show-dev && dladm show-link. ifconfig e1000g (or whatever dladm shows you) plumb up.
[12:59:50] <xenon_0> lol
[12:59:53] <xenon_0> thx anyway
[12:59:59] <xenon_0> ps.
[13:00:19] <xenon_0> i find sunos great... (on my laptops works extremely good)
[13:00:23] <xenon_0> ;)
[13:00:29] <xenon_0> see you soon.
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[13:29:52] <codestr0m> well.. as I suspected.. the latest massive update wasn't w/o problems... and now I see multiple reasons why 2008.* + IPS is still highly beta
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[13:30:16] <codestr0m> oh. and in the middle of the update.. I was able to cause a kernel panic
[13:31:04] <codestr0m> Sun AO audio something blah blah.. doesn't support 16 bit little endian 48000Mhz. == panic with gmplayer
[13:31:27] <codestr0m> I'm not sure if it dumped that info anywhere for debugging/recovery purposes?
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[14:03:34] <sickness> is the php5 shipped with opensolaris compiled with gdlib support?
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[14:24:28] <dsop> sickness: yes
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[14:29:03] <dsop> sickness: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1196365
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[14:31:20] <sickness> uhm lemmese...
[14:32:49] <sickness> pastebin.ca seems to be down, can't retrieve ip address, maybe it's only a dns problem :/
[14:33:00] <trygvis> rafb.net/paste
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[14:34:24] <sickness> trygvis: tnx, but I needed to look at this 14:29 < dsop> sickness: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1196365  =_)
[14:34:25] <dsop> sickness: http://rafb.net/p/HWgM1U93.html
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[14:37:22] <sickness> tnx :)
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[14:38:20] <sickness> dsop: oh, sorry, I see that the system and php have gd support, what I'd meant to ask is if the mod_php5 that's with the apache2 has gd support, doesn't seem so to me :/
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[14:43:08] <codestr0m> stupid question.. pfexec pkg verify SUNWcs is showing a file missing (which I moved on purpose ) the package is already installed and can't be removed.. how do I force a reinstall?
[14:43:38] <codestr0m> I don't see anything like pkg fix SUNWcs
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[15:00:39] <techqbert> uh I just download sxce off sun's site.  i grabbed the zips and it appears that the extracted sol** has no .iso and according to isoinfo on my gentoo machine, isn't 9660.  what's going on?
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[15:02:09] <techqbert> ah nvm have to cat them together. pfft
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[15:15:07] <webar7> I have a massive FreeBSD installation  ... (ok 4 machines) :-) using ZFS ... I want to move 2 of the machines to opensolaris and continue to share access to the ZFS diskspace and eventually run one of the freebsd boxes as a virtualbox intance ... does os200805 support fbsd on vbox
[15:15:52] <Gekz> Tempt: help this man
[15:15:59] <Gekz> guide him away from Solarix.
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[15:16:44] <webar7> we want to end up with 1 physical freebsd box ; one virtualbox on opensolaris ; 2 physical osol boxes and one leftover :)
[15:17:23] <webar7> we want to use the leftover as a freebsd 8.0 testing machine :-D
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[15:18:58] <Tempt> webar7: You'll need to test VirtualBox with FreeBSD
[15:19:09] <Tempt> webar7: It might work, it might not be so hot.
[15:19:11] <webar7> hmm k
[15:19:16] <Tempt> Is this just a playground or is this serious?
[15:19:37] <webar7> the support was not so hot last time (vbox 1.0 on linux )
[15:19:47] <webar7> it worked better with openbsd and linux as guests
[15:19:56] <Tempt> I doubt it's going to be very good. You might do better with OpenBSD overall.
[15:20:04] <webar7> the freebsd instance in the vbox is "expendable"
[15:20:06] <Tempt> I have greater faith in the OpenBSD developers.
[15:20:20] <Tempt> Either/or, what's the end objective here?
[15:20:41] <webar7> but the physical fbsd box is production nfs and storage etc
[15:21:15] <webar7> the second physical box is for monitoring, remote sysloging etc
[15:21:24] <webar7> if it goes down nothing breaks
[15:21:40] <webar7> we just want to virtualize it so we can have a spare machine
[15:21:49] <techqbert> webay7: your migration is possible but I'll tell you that freebsd under vbox in opensolaris, like on other platforms, suffers connectivity issues.  I'm nto sure if I ever get it working but I would advise the full freebsd cd over the netinstall one.
[15:22:12] <webar7> if it's not doable we'll jsut get a cheap pc ... they run bsd well :-)
[15:22:18] <Tempt> Just stuff everyone on Solaris and run up some zones.
[15:22:30] <webar7> hah
[15:22:50] <Tempt> Or, given this is just an R&D project, SXCE + Xen
[15:22:50] <webar7> we'd alos of course be testing the vbox support this way too :-)
[15:23:09] <Tempt> I'd say you'd have better luck with Xen than vbox for freebsd
[15:23:23] <webar7> we are more interested in vbox on opensolaris than solaris itself I think :)
[15:23:29] <Tempt> Why?
[15:23:45] <webar7> migration
[15:23:49] <webar7> gradually
[15:24:15] <Tempt> Migration of *what*?
[15:24:20] <webar7> it took a while to get everything nicely organized on freebsd platform
[15:24:29] <webar7> now we want to start virtualizing
[15:24:50] <Tempt> Hint: I can make better suggestions if I have *some* idea what the application, environment and expectations are.
[15:24:51] <techqbert> Just to clarify, in my previous statement, when I say like on other platforms, I'm referring to the former, freebsd being virtualized in vbox.  once more, it's difficult, perhaps futile, to get connectivity working.
[15:24:54] <webar7> and I think we may have determined that vmware is not what we want :-\
[15:25:02] <webar7> yeah
[15:25:10] <sickness> is it just me or the apache2 httpd binary is missing in latest blastwave apache2 packages? /opt/csw/apache2/sbin/apachectl[100]: /opt/csw/apache2/sbin/httpd: not found [No such file or directory]  :/
[15:25:28] <Gekz> Tempt: sigh.
[15:25:29] <webar7> the support for freebsd as a guest not so hot last time we tried (vbox 1.0 on linux )
[15:25:52] <Tempt> sickness: Ask in #blastwave, they're very helpful in there.
[15:26:05] <webar7> just wondering about opensolaris and vbox 2.0 ...
[15:26:32] <sickness> tnx
[15:26:39] <Tempt> Gekz: You need to note the lack of information provided and therefore the abject lack of helpful reply.
[15:26:45] <webar7> anyway we'll have 2 phys osol and 2 phys fbsd starting next week :)
[15:26:47] * techqbert speaks from experience with vbox 1.6 OSE on osol and gentoo linux.
[15:27:08] <Gekz> Tempt: I'm on your side lol.
[15:29:56] <Tempt> Gekz: You still enjoying your EEE?
[15:30:02] <Gekz> Yes.
[15:30:06] <Gekz> I'm using it now.
[15:30:24] <techqbert> This question is nieve but i'm new to osol.  I'm going to destroy my osol 200805 installation so i can install sxce96.  once I zpool import -f tank, my 3-disk raidz pool, will I ever have to import again?  The pool will be stable and working even though I've toyed with it under osol200805 and milax correct?
[15:30:32] <Tempt> Gekz: http://mexico.purplecow.org/tmp/librettox.jpg
[15:30:38] <Tempt> Gekz: old-school style.
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[15:31:02] <Gekz> Tempt: that definitely doesnt have DDR2 RAM.
[15:31:09] <techqbert> Mind you, the raidz pool in discussion, is separate from root, per the ZFS best practices guide.
[15:31:12] <Tempt> Gekz: It certainly doesn't!
[15:31:38] <Tempt> techqbert: Should be fine. I've moved zpools between hosts before with no problems.
[15:32:16] <Gekz> Did you hear Microsoft got the patent for the page up and page down keys?
[15:32:30] <Tempt> Hah.
[15:32:34] <techqbert> Tempt: cool thanks.
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[16:04:12] <ahe> can someone tell me how zfs' copy on write scheme handles the case that the read only copy and the private copy of a block are in sync again?
[16:04:35] <ahe> will zfs delete the private copy and reference the read only copy again to save space?
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[16:19:21] <techqbert> How do I completely remove ZFS from a disk?  zfs destroy -R pool ?
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[16:24:32] <techqbert> Tempt: sorry to bug you but I know you know this.  zpool destroy pool.  Will that leave my disk completely unformatted?  My SXCE96 disk is having trouble installing on a hd with an indiana root.
[16:24:48] <Tempt> zpool destroy just marks the pool as destroyed.
[16:24:59] <Tempt> You can even un-destroy that pool if you haven't changed anything afterwards
[16:25:11] <Gekz> nice feature.
[16:25:41] <techqbert> Tempt: agh that's what I gathered from reading about zpool destroy.  So how do wipe a disk?
[16:26:02] <Tempt> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdsk/blah  ...
[16:26:06] <Tempt> Write zeroes over it
[16:26:43] <techqbert> Tempt: no quicker way like modifying a partition table?
[16:27:04] <Tempt> Well, my way makes 100% absolutely sure. You wouldn't have to write over the whole disk
[16:27:20] <Tempt> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdsk/blah bs=1024k count=100
[16:27:23] <Tempt> nice and easy
[16:28:19] <TomJ> techqbert: what are you trying to achieve?  if you want the data securely wiped you need to put something over tghe top of it.  if you just want to use the disk for something else, a plain destroy should suffice
[16:29:24] <techqbert> Tom: I'm going to try to wipe a 300gb disk so maybe sxce96 will be able to install on a hd previously inhabitated by indiana.
[16:30:52] <TomJ> well I'm pretty sure that once you destroy the zpool, you can just make another zpool on that disk without any error
[16:31:10] <TomJ> or use it for UFS or whatever else
[16:32:11] <techqbert> TomJ; Tempt: I'll give that a try and report back my findings.  I'm hoping sxce96 pumped out errors about wrong disk geometry or wrong start sector (should have 3 not 1) because of the indiana rpool.
[16:32:26] <techqbert> zpool destroy rpool it is.
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[16:44:37] <scimmia> hi guys
[16:44:56] <scimmia> I would like to try and maybe use daily opensolaris
[16:45:04] <scimmia> I just downloaded the iso
[16:45:14] <scimmia> (200805 release)
[16:45:33] <scimmia> is there a md5 sum or similar to verify the file??
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[16:46:56] <SporadicCrash> hello
[16:48:24] <SporadicCrash> can I use OLVWM in OpenSolaris?
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[17:15:06] <techqbert> still seeing the incorrect disk geometry error.  I just changed the partition table from solaris to nothing.  then I dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 to get rid of where mbr usually resides.  let's see what happens now =0
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[17:20:43] <techqbert> that did it.
[17:20:53] <techqbert> sxce96 is installing now.
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[18:24:48] <tomww> techqbert: with ZFS root-filesystem?
[18:24:56] <techqbert> how do I get rid of backspace being ^H this is so pretty annoying.
[18:25:00] <techqbert> tomww: yes
[18:25:11] <tomww> stty erase (then hit the backspacekey)
[18:25:20] <tomww> or run bash as shell
[18:26:09] <techqbert> tomww: ah thanks
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[18:38:22] <techqbert> so what's the deal with sxce.  you guys forego IPS for the time being in favor of pkgadd with blastwave/sunfreeware?
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[18:44:31] <TomJ> SXCE will eventually disappear and only OpenSolaris will remain
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[18:54:50] <codestr0m> techqbert: you're coming over from gentoo as well?
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[18:59:25] <wonko2> TomJ: What will happen with Solaris, will it continue to be the same, or will it also evolve to be what OpenSolaris is then?
[19:01:23] <techqbert> codestr0m: yeah gentoo, debian, ubuntu, freebsd, and netbsd basically.
[19:02:07] <oxygene> wonko2: according to some sun marketing types, solaris will eventually be based on opensolaris. otoh, it's marketing
[19:02:16] <oxygene> they always tell you what they believe you want to hear
[19:02:21] <techqbert> what's the general consensus here?  indiana over sxce96 in terms of stability?  to be honest, sxce96 seems really unintuitive from command line.  i got pkg-get working but i've had a hell of a time adding jim to ~/ especially since adduser has some weird -d flag
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[19:07:37] <codestr0m> techqbert: there's a curve..
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[19:08:17] <techqbert> strange now root can make a folder in ~/ for my user
[19:08:33] <techqbert> so do you guys favor pkg-add over pkg (IPS)?
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[19:09:26] <codestr0m> techqbert: "you guys" will probably fall in three groups.. old sysadmins, new people learning and those who don't know what they are doing.
[19:09:32] <codestr0m> which group would you like to ask :P
[19:09:52] <SilverDawn> Hey all, I was just wondering, i've got an old peice of poop lappy, 1000mhz coppermine proc(p3), 256 ram (Maybe a little bit more) and i was wondering how well opensolaris would run on it, Im looking for something to restore it to atleast functional state, All i require for this box is the ability to use flash for my Cisco coarse work. Any ideas
[19:11:01] <codestr0m> SilverDawn: opensolaris 2008.05 will probably run best on modern hardware.. there's other opensolaris based distros though that may fit better for that..
[19:11:09] <techqbert> SilverDawn: Opensolaris needs 512 it or won't boot
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[19:11:30] <SilverDawn> ahh
[19:11:40] <SilverDawn> Well, Let me check how much ram it has exactly one moment
[19:13:50] <techqbert> codestr0m: ha I see.  I'm not sure.  I know IPS was great and osol200805 theoretically should have been able to boot if I had updated grub.  then again, beadm seemed broken.
[19:14:17] <techqbert> when sxce fades, think they'll be an easy upgrade path from sxceXXX to osol2009 or so
[19:14:49] <codestr0m> techqbert: you're really optimistic aren't you
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[19:15:57] <SilverDawn> Yeah ... Free -m is reporting i have 249 total
[19:15:58] <SilverDawn> ><
[19:18:44] <TomJ> techqbert: what is weird about adduser -d ?
[19:20:29] <techqbert> TomJ: strangely enough it works now but when I first booted the machine after reboot no such luck
[19:20:41] <techqbert> that's how I add users in other *nix and it works now
[19:21:15] <codestr0m> I added blastwave as an authority.. installed IPSgxine.. used it like normal for a couple weeks.. and today did clean-up (beadm removing old BE) after the big failed image-update.. now it seems all the files going along with the blastwave packages are gone?.... am I missing something
[19:21:15] <techqbert> so I just chown ~/$user since it's also allowed me to make directory in home (strange i know)
[19:21:37] <webar7> is it posible for people in an IRC channel to talk too much and crash the internet :-D
[19:21:56] <SilverDawn> Its possible to flood the IRC server and crash it, But not crash the internet
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[19:24:54] <TomJ> techqbert: oh, if you are trying to create users under /home then that shouldn't work, /home by default is managed by the automounter, which reads home dirs from /export/home
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[19:25:13] <TomJ> the idea being that you can have home dirs mounted from remote system via NFS, or on local systems,  but they will always appear as /home
[19:25:47] <TomJ> At least this is how it is in Solaris by default, it might have changed in OpenSol but you if had issues making home dirs in /home that will be why
[19:25:52] <codestr0m> TomJ: anyone around here familiar with the IPS internals.. I'd like to co the source and start looking at this.. I'm to the point of making up patches
[19:26:05] <techqbert> TomJ: I've always like the conceptual idea of mounted home drives.  I see.
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[19:30:52] <techqbert> No smbclient on blastwave?
[19:31:17] <TomJ> it's in Solaris base, probably OpenSolaris too
[19:31:28] <techqbert> I saw smb packages being installed earlier with sxce96 but no actual "smbclient" unix app
[19:31:33] <e^ipi> why would you need additional software to take advantage of a system feature
[19:31:41] <e^ipi> mount -F smbfs ...
[19:32:07] <e^ipi> see "man mount" for more information
[19:34:00] <techqbert> e^ipi: i'll make note of that command.  thanks.  agh no luck connecting to this floating maxtor drive.  smbclient just works
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[19:37:07] <seanmcg> smbclient lives in /usr/sfw/bin in SXCE
[19:38:23] <TomJ> smbclient still has a place even with smbfs. for one thing, it can be used as non-root
[19:39:05] <techqbert> seanmcg: yeah I thought sunfreeware had it when I installed it under os200805.  i still have to get sunfreeware for pkgadd
[19:39:20] <kaleb> Does SXCE have a driver for ntfs read/write?
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[19:40:29] <techqbert> pkg-get *
[19:41:01] <h3sp4wn> kaleb: Look on the solaris-x86 FAQ there is links to belenix packages
[19:41:10] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: thanks
[19:41:34] <TomJ> techqbert: /usr/sfw is part of the main installation, it's not the same as sunfreeware.com
[19:41:55] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: are all opensolaris packages compatible with each other? like can i install a belenix package on indiana?
[19:42:04] <seanmcg> techqbert, the samba smb bits should be available via IPS (as well as the kernel CIFS bits)
[19:42:27] <h3sp4wn> kaleb: Depends on whether they are made properly
[19:42:40] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: and most are?
[19:43:07] <techqbert> seanmcg; TomJ: IPS is available for sxce?
[19:43:31] <techqbert> thanks for the sunfreeware vs. base installation difference
[19:44:03] <seanmcg> techqbert, oh, I though you had os200805
[19:44:42] <techqbert> TomJ: ah /usr/sfw/ okay cool thanks.
[19:44:46] <TomJ> IPS is OSol only
[19:44:48] <seanmcg> IPS can run under sxce - acting as a repo, but doubt if one can pkg 'add' things.
[19:45:58] <h3sp4wn> Don't see why you could just nick the stuff for an IPS zone from indiana (or is it that different ?)
[19:49:56] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: because zones are still built from packages
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[20:03:11] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: The ones on indiana are built from pkg.opensolaris.org each time afaik
[20:04:42] <seanmcg> the ones on pkg.opensolaris.org are IPS pkgs (with the pkg command) , e^pi is talking about the SVR4 type packages (pkgadd, etc cmds)
[20:05:05] <seanmcg> you'd need a new 'brand' to create a opensolaris 200805 zone under SXCE
[20:06:12] <h3sp4wn> The files from /usr/lib/brand on indiana are not enough ?
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[20:09:29] <seanmcg> h3sp4wn, ya possibly the ipkg one,  I haven't played with zones under opensolaris
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[20:19:20] <e^ipi> i don't think there's a sysvr4 branded zone ( yet? )
[20:21:39] <seanmcg> s8 or s9 zones ?-)
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[20:25:23] <e^ipi> only on sparc
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[20:33:19] <techqbert> how error-proof is zpool upgrade?  anybody have any problems with it?
[20:34:46] <turtle> do it
[20:35:34] <e^ipi> it's a relatively simple operation, not a lot to go wrong
[20:35:56] <e^ipi> but it renders your pool unreadable by prior versions of solaris
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[21:09:59] <evocallaghan> Anyone got a clue why OpenOffice would keep opening the "File" menu on its own every 30sec ? Its really pissing me off
[21:10:24] <evocallaghan> Alt key is not stuck, so no idea what the problem is :/
[21:10:34] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: bug?
[21:10:58] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:maybe, but its only just started doing it
[21:11:02] <codestr0m> when opening java apps I've had some strange behaviour
[21:11:36] <evocallaghan> I am willing to bet its a bug in IPS that has made a bad copy of the package on my hdd
[21:12:16] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: pkg verify to see if something is corrupted
[21:12:17] <evocallaghan> As soon as I get some time and I have done with helping out with the 2008.11 release. I am nuking it and going back to SXCE
[21:12:28] <evocallaghan> I am so feedup with it
[21:12:47] <codestr0m> I just sent a list of questions to pkg-discuss so I'm the choir
[21:12:49] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:that is quite useless
[21:13:10] <codestr0m> I had a bunch of stuff installed.. did some beadm maintenance and voila.. missing packages in /opt
[21:13:22] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: you mean posting to pkg-discuss?
[21:13:39] <codestr0m> oh. I see you're a blastwave maintainer..
[21:13:53] <evocallaghan> yea
[21:14:05] <evocallaghan> Trying to get things in order for KDE4.1.1
[21:14:06] <codestr0m> maybe you can answer a few questions if you have time..
[21:14:18] <evocallaghan> I'll try
[21:14:28] <evocallaghan> I'm over at #blastwave as well
[21:14:58] <codestr0m> some of these are just stupid things... one sec. typing first q.
[21:15:34] <evocallaghan> I'm _trying_ to type up some collage work (wast of time work) and OpenOffice is pissing me off
[21:15:35] <evocallaghan> :/
[21:15:41] * evocallaghan starts crying
[21:15:43] <codestr0m> running pkg verify.. you can see what's been changed vs manifest.. yet if you find something how do you fix it..? what if the package can't be uninstalled and then installed again.. manually copy files over?
[21:15:54] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: google docs
[21:16:16] <codestr0m> works great and a lifesaver for this exact circumstance
[21:16:26] <seanmcg> evocallaghan, revert to vi and \latex ;)
[21:16:37] <e^ipi> seanmcg: hey, i do that
[21:16:50] <e^ipi> seanmcg: all my essays are in subversion
[21:17:24] <seanmcg> mine were in vms version files
[21:17:35] <seanmcg>  had vax/vms at college
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[21:18:20] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:well there is some script about that fixes IPS stuff
[21:18:28] <evocallaghan> 1sec and i'll try to find it for you
[21:18:57] <evocallaghan> seanmcg:hey man, its all windows desktops with a teacher with no clue
[21:19:12] <evocallaghan> I send him a PDF and he was asking for a Word Doc
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[21:19:23] <evocallaghan> I made a formal complaint about that ..
[21:22:38] <seanmcg> my final year proj, was in \latex..  twas the only one.  All else used word :(
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[21:23:41] <jbk> i used it for reports
[21:23:45] <evocallaghan> Wolfram Mathematica
[21:23:49] <jbk> made things look really nice
[21:24:17] <evocallaghan> Yea, I dont want to spend heaps of time on shit
[21:24:28] <evocallaghan> I want it done so I can get back to learning Ada
[21:24:40] <jbk> especially with formulas
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[21:25:31] <evocallaghan> yea I could not care less for what I am doing
[21:25:41] <evocallaghan> The teacher does gets();
[21:25:49] <evocallaghan> and system("PAUSE");
[21:25:55] <evocallaghan> So you know what I mean ..
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[21:26:27] <seanmcg> evocallaghan, sounds like you're in the 80's
[21:27:35] <e^ipi> latex is stupid simple
[21:27:50] <e^ipi> it's just some markup tags
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[21:28:47] <e^ipi> \epsilon vs. "click click where the fuck is that symbol again, was it under Tools > Characters > Greek ? nope... *click* *click* oh, there it is"
[21:30:41] <evocallaghan> I'm not doing it that way at all
[21:30:49] <seanmcg> was it lotus notes that had a \tex engine for rendering ?
[21:31:01] <evocallaghan> OOo allows you to type into its maths engine
[21:31:26] <evocallaghan> Such as; V_"out" = A_i x i_"in" . {R_LOAD . R_"out"} over {R_LOAD + R_"out"}
[21:36:36] <scimmia> e^ipi, love \latex too :-)
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[21:46:34] <kaleb> I update my os2008.05 to b96 and the opt directory just disappeared, what have I done wrong?
[21:51:19] <kaleb> wooow, zfs really kick ass :)
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[21:52:33] <e^ipi> it probably didn't get it's mountpoint updated
[21:52:49] <e^ipi> zit's a problem with IPS, not zfs
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[21:54:53] <kaleb> I found like several opts, one for every update, I have made, I am skimming through tutorials now to figure out how to mount the one I want back there
[21:55:12] <e^ipi> you can set the mountpoint property however you like
[21:55:19] <e^ipi> it's in the manpage for zfs
[21:56:45] <kaleb> yeah, looking through it now
[21:57:13] <kaleb> btw how can I make my home/end keys work?
[21:57:20] <e^ipi> man stty
[21:57:52] <kaleb> thanx
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[22:00:12] <sickness> evening all
[22:01:13] <e^ipi> yo
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[22:22:59] <kaleb> I have a problem mounting my opt directory, it says  mountpoint or dataset is busy
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[22:25:13] <techqbert> wow these permissions on my raidz pool are insane!  i can't access them as root or normal user on linux NFS client.  I can't access them as regular user even on the osol machine!  644 and chown by that regular user.
[22:25:45] <e^ipi> did you set any ACL's?
[22:25:47] <e^ipi> ls -V
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[22:27:29] <PerterB> try nfsv3? linux nfsv4 tends to get confused...
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[22:29:40] <techqbert> e^ipi: ACL it is.  not intentionally.  I might just zfs set aclinherit=discard along with aclmode unless you guys see a compelling reason to use ACL
[22:29:55] <e^ipi> other than ACL's being awesome
[22:29:56] <e^ipi> ?
[22:30:26] <e^ipi> they let you set arbitrary permissions  ( append only, for example )
[22:30:41] <e^ipi> coarse grained permissions is so 1968
[22:34:56] <kaleb> How do I make /opt available to mount a directory on it?
[22:39:15] <e^ipi> make sure it's empy
[22:39:19] <e^ipi> *empty
[22:39:31] <kaleb> it is empty
[22:39:35] <e^ipi> first make sure that there's no other zfs that's trying to mount there
[22:39:43] <kaleb> hmm
[22:40:01] <kaleb> e^ipi: how do I check that?
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[22:41:41] <e^ipi> kaleb: manual page
[22:41:48] <e^ipi> list the properties
[22:42:41] <kaleb> e^ipi: ok, what am i looking for, I get litteraly thousands of lines doing a zfs get all
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[22:43:32] <e^ipi> again, clearly in the man page
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[22:43:40] <e^ipi> it's the property which would give you the mount point
[22:44:00] <kaleb> all my ten snapshots of opt have /opt as mountpoint. Is that what you mean?
[22:44:46] <e^ipi> yes
[22:44:55] <kaleb> e^ipi: should I set new mountpoints on all of them except the one I want there?
[22:44:57] <e^ipi> but ignore the snapshots
[22:45:12] <e^ipi> you can also set the mountpoint property to be 'none'
[22:45:25] <kaleb> e^ipi: ah, ok I'll will try that thanx
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[22:47:38] <kaleb> e^ipi: nope, that did not work, still says the same thing, mountpoint or dataset is busy
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[22:50:54] <kaleb> haha, shame on me :) I was standing as root in that directory in another terminal. Thanx again ppl for the help
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[22:54:15] <techqbert> e^ipi: ACL appear to be much like LDAP.  Complex enough for a certification yet pointless at home.  What do you think?
[22:55:36] <jbk> i found acls quite useful at previous jobs
[22:56:14] <e^ipi> techqbert: i use them at home frequently
[22:56:20] <e^ipi> all my log files are notruncate
[22:56:46] <techqbert> jbk: with regards to mounted ZFS filesystems, which user's permissions matter?  owner? root? everyone? i'm just lost.
[22:57:39] <jbk> well you can still use the old unix-style permissions, but with acls, it depends on the acl
[22:58:16] <e^ipi> techqbert: you can set each user individually if you like
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[22:59:34] <e^ipi> that's acl's
[23:00:01] <e^ipi> owner:group:all r:w:x is way too coarse to be able to do a lot of useful stuff with
[23:01:31] <techqbert> e^ipi: question: when I chmod the file system in question, do I have to scvadm restart network/nfs/server restart?
[23:04:20] <e^ipi> no, that'd be a huge pain in the ass
[23:05:32] <techqbert> alright I got work to do and ACL appear complicated and I've yet to tease out less onerous permissions.
[23:06:00] <e^ipi> it's not really that complicated
[23:06:23] <e^ipi> check out the SAG, it's got a pretty good run down of them
[23:06:52] <techqbert> e^ipi: any reasonable guides?  http://docs.huihoo.com/opensolaris/solaris-zfs-administration-guide/html/ch07s04.html isn't too helpful.
[23:07:23] <e^ipi> sag
[23:07:27] <e^ipi> /topic
[23:07:31] <techqbert> solaris admin guide huh
[23:09:23] <TomJ> Any options exist for undeleting on UFS?  multiple folders containg a few very large files each
[23:10:40] <techqbert> e^ipi: how come under the ACL on osol, i have list directory under allow for group, user, and everybody yet when I mount by nfs client on linux machine, I can't just ls with a different user name
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[23:16:58] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[23:16:59] <e^ipi> linux
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[23:34:38] <scimmia> is there any italian here?
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[23:49:13] <wonko2> bah, suspend to ram doesn't always work so great it seems on this laptop
[23:49:38] <e^ipi> it works at all?
[23:49:39] <e^ipi> sweet.
[23:50:01] <wonko2> it works sometimes
[23:50:02] <wonko2> ;)
[23:50:10] <wonko2> it suspends fine, but it failed to wake up today
[23:50:41] <wonko2> and since i have rebooted since adding the oss sound drivers, they never made it into the boot archive
[23:50:46] <wonko2> now to remember what that url was
[23:50:47] <wonko2> ;)
[23:50:52] <e^ipi> 4front
[23:50:54] <wonko2> s/have/haven't/
[23:51:29] <wonko2> awesome, thanks
[23:52:39] <wonko2> also, docking the laptop isn't a good idea either it seems. :)
[23:53:11] <seanmcg> do the oss drivers susport syspend ?
[23:53:21] <seanmcg> support even
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[23:54:24] <wonko2> that's a good question
[23:54:35] <wonko2> i wonder if that's why it didn't wake back up
[23:56:26] <wonko2> well, nothing in the logs about it working or not
[23:57:49] <seanmcg> nothing in /var/adm/messages*
[23:57:50] <seanmcg> ?
[23:58:18] <wonko2> nope
[23:58:53] <wonko2> last line is the "System is being suspended" and then the next line is to boot kern.notice





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