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[00:53:25] <tomww> Pietro_S_: Hi! as you mention the SFEwine.spec ... tried what happens if I run: wine ChromeSetup.exe :-)
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[01:28:16] <bradd_> hi. I have installed sun studio. what is the name of the c++ compiler?
[01:28:52] <cypromis> CC
[01:29:04] <bradd_> oh, thank you
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[01:33:38] <techqbert> for some reason, pkg install fails with not owner: /opt/csw/lib/i386 yet I use a 64-bit kernel
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[01:35:40] <TomJ> not owner sounds like you're running it as non-root
[01:35:50] <TomJ> and a 64 bit Solaris install is 90% 32bit binaries
[01:36:01] <techqbert> ah
[01:36:13] <techqbert> TomJ: the former isn't the case :/
[01:36:16] <TomJ> only certain stuff is 64 bit, either because it has to be (interfaces with kernel) or should be (will benefit from it)
[01:36:31] <techqbert> Some people just rm /opt/csw/lib/i386 and say the particular error subsides
[01:37:12] <TomJ> so /opt/csw/lib/i386 exists? what are its perms?
[01:38:10] <techqbert> TomJ: owned by root and predominantly 777 or 644
[01:38:15] <_mary_kate_> not owner sounds like a CAS script running as non-root.. except pkg doesn't have those, so it seems unlikely
[01:38:23] <_mary_kate_> techqbert: 777?!
[01:40:47] <techqbert> _mary_kate_: I just realized that was the sym link :-x  All are 644
[01:41:07] <techqbert> _mary_kate_; TomJ: what are these files?  is it okay if I rm them like others have?
[01:41:37] <TomJ> I have no idea, but it doesn't seem like the right solution
[01:42:05] <TomJ> I dont know if csw only uses the i386 folder for stuff that is also 64bit in amd64 or x64 or whatever folder.  if so, then yes it would probably be safe to rm it on a 64bit system
[01:42:19] <techqbert> http://kerosinejava.blogspot.com/2008/05/installing-openldap-on-opensolaris.html  Look for the text on the page "I was expecting that" with ctrl+f
[01:42:21] <TomJ> but maybe it puts 32bit stuff in i386 which has no 64bit equivalent and is meant to be run by both 32 and 64bit users
[01:42:27] <techqbert> It seems to be the sentiment on the net
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[01:42:46] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: i think it uses the normal solution convention - i386/ only has 32-bit-specific libraries
[01:42:56] <TomJ> ok
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[01:43:55] <techqbert> _mary_kate_; TomJ: thanks for bouncing my probs off you guys.  think it's okay then?  this is a new osol indiana installation so I'm not too worried.  Should I rm and report back?
[01:44:10] <TomJ> well, mv it someplace and try it yeah
[01:44:14] <TomJ> unless it's empty
[01:45:01] <techqbert> ;) good call.  heh
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[01:50:26] <techqbert> agh: i386 came right back with the error
[01:52:35] <techqbert> moved i386.  it worked.  hrm
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[01:56:28] <TomJ> Is there a quick command to answer the question "how much RAM is free for programs right now?"  or to be specific, how much do I have in Freelist and Cachelist?  Right now I do mdb -k then ::memstat  but it is slow and incredibly CPU intensive, not at all suitable for a regular monitor.
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[01:57:36] <bda> TomJ: benr's arc_summary.pl is very useful.
[01:57:47] <techqbert> TomJ: I've been curious too.
[01:58:06] <bda> http://cuddletech.com/arc_summary.html
[01:58:34] <TomJ> hm interesting, and valid even on a system not using ZFS?
[01:58:52] <TomJ> it has a Free Memory: stat so yeah I guess so
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[01:58:54] <TomJ> thanks
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[02:00:14] <bda> Though shouldn't vmstat's memory/free column be free phy mem?
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[02:01:33] <TomJ> quite possibly, let me see
[02:02:36] <norman> wow, is zfs really using 30gb of memory on the example system? oO
[02:02:47] <bda> ARC goes om nom nom.
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[02:03:36] <TomJ> hmm, so arc_summary.pl says I have 667 MB free ram with 250MB LotsFree (not sure what that is).  but ::memstat says I ahve 101 in Cachelist and 902 in Freelist which is ~ 1GB free.
[02:04:37] <TomJ> vmstat reports 'free' as 771372 which according to man vmstat should be 'the size of the freelist'
[02:04:42] <TomJ> but that's a bit lower than memstat said
[02:04:55] <TomJ> 750mb versus 900
[02:05:49] <TomJ> i guess it's time to buy that Solaris internals book
[02:07:06] <bda> Heh, the SI books are one of the reasons I want a Kindle. Assuming there's a nice electronic version.
[02:07:12] <bda> s/Kindle/not shitty ebook reader thing/
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[02:14:02] <techqbert> thanks for that perl script bda
[02:14:17] <bda> Thank benr. :)
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[03:15:20] <dclarke> is there any way to downgrade the version of ZFS in a zpool ?
[03:15:40] <e^ipi> no
[03:15:52] * dclarke scratches head
[03:16:05] <dclarke> really ?
[03:16:10] <e^ipi> really
[03:16:24] <dclarke> drat
[03:16:44] <dclarke> yeah but ...
[03:17:30] <dclarke> I have an idea
[03:17:38] <seanmcg> but why would you want to lose the newer features ?-)
[03:17:41] <bda> rsync?
[03:17:42] <dclarke> okay .. I have a zpool which is a big pile of mirrors
[03:17:50] <bda> Or zfs send? (I think?)
[03:18:03] <dclarke> I can break off all those submirrors and then create a new zpool with is version 4
[03:18:22] <dclarke> and then just .. backup and restore everything from the one pool to the other
[03:18:37] <TomJ> how cna you break them off?  if you have a bunch of striped mirrors then you need all those mirrors to exist or the volume is corrupt
[03:18:43] <seanmcg> v4 ?  v12 is the latest right ?
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[03:19:05] <dclarke> because .. if ZFS were really all that dependable and reliable for those higher versions of ZFS then we would see them as being available in Solaris 10
[03:19:13] <dclarke> but we don't
[03:19:26] <dclarke> the latest OpenSolaris says "This system is currently running ZFS pool version 11"
[03:19:33] <seanmcg> ah, right, those old s10.
[03:19:44] <seanmcg> sxce97 has v12
[03:19:47] <dclarke> what is old about S10?  nothing .. it is in production
[03:19:54] <dclarke> I'll check http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/N
[03:20:41] <dclarke> latest is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/13/
[03:20:43] <seanmcg> old as in more than a couple of weeks, not old as in years :)
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[03:21:13] <seanmcg> ya, and that v13 will be in sxce98
[03:21:16] <dclarke> well .. ZFS ver 4 is in S10u4
[03:21:23] <dclarke> I think that S10u5 is the same also
[03:21:26] <TomJ> hum now I'm confused, on Sol10 U5 man zpool talks about "zpool get" but running zpool get all tank  says unrecognized command 'get' and shows a usage that does not include get
[03:22:00] <bda> "get"?
[03:22:07] <dclarke> TomJ : beats me .. I have never used that feature
[03:22:13] <bda> It's not in my U5 man page.
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[03:22:26] <nachox> evening people
[03:22:34] <TomJ>      zpool get "all" | property[,...] pool ...
[03:22:34] <TomJ>      zpool set property=value pool
[03:22:36] <dclarke> see http://www.blastwave.org/man/zpool_1M.html
[03:22:54] <TomJ> SunOS 5.10          Last change: 24 Jun 2008
[03:22:56] <dclarke> zpool get is not there
[03:23:02] <TomJ> methinks they've updated the man before the command is available
[03:23:03] <dclarke> oh
[03:23:10] <dclarke> no no ..
[03:23:16] <dclarke> now you're bugging me
[03:23:21] <bda> TomJ: cat /etc/release ?
[03:23:31] <TomJ>  Solaris 10 5/08 s10x_u5wos_10 X86
[03:23:31] <bda> I see it in my Nevada box, but not U5. :)
[03:23:34] <bda> Weird, dude.
[03:23:41] <TomJ> I just applied patches yesterday
[03:23:43] <TomJ> might have come in then
[03:24:00] <dclarke> s10u5 says : Last change: 13 Feb 2007
[03:24:09] <bda> ah
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[03:24:23] <bda> I just installed a man patch, so maybe it's in there now.
[03:24:28] <bda> Will look in a sec. Box in su.
[03:24:39] <TomJ> yes i have another u5 box with the Feb 2007 date
[03:24:39] <dclarke> zpool get "all" | property[,...] pool ...
[03:24:49] <dclarke> SunOS aequitas 5.11 snv_95 i86pc i386 i86pc
[03:24:56] <dclarke> hrmm .. some new feature thingy
[03:25:01] <dclarke> all shiney and new
[03:25:18] <dclarke> sort of like Google Chrome ..
[03:25:24] <TomJ> yeah must be this:
[03:25:24] <dclarke> probably not to be trusted .. just yet
[03:25:25] <TomJ> 119247 32 < 34 R--  14 SunOS 5.10_x86: Manual Page updates for Solaris 10
[03:25:27] <bda> zfs(1M) has had get for as long as I've used Solaris, I think. :)
[03:25:29] <bda> TomJ: Yeah.
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[03:25:42] <bda> dclarke: zpool(1M) having get just makes it more consistant. :)
[03:25:45] <dclarke> bda : zfs yes .. not zpool
[03:26:01] <bda> ^--
[03:26:22] <dclarke> okay
[03:26:26] <dclarke> so .. any ways ...
[03:26:36] <dclarke> I have to figure out how to revet back to ZFS ver 4
[03:26:40] <dclarke> revert
[03:26:55] <TomJ> i think you have to get the data off and put it back
[03:27:00] <bda> Create another zpool at the version you want and use zfs send?
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[03:27:27] <jeremyz> anyone know how I can query for the interrupt et al of my e1000 device?
[03:27:36] <_mary_kate_> jeremyz: prtconf -v
[03:28:01] <jeremyz> _mary_kate_: ya know it was the -v that i skipped - thanks :)
[03:28:18] <jeremyz> _mary_kate_: sorry .. from UK .. meant 'cheers'
[03:28:30] <TomJ> I mentioned zpool get bceause that's how the zpool manual says you get the version of the pool.  is there a way without that command, given that U5 doesnt have it yet?
[03:28:33] <e^ipi> dclarke: much like you can't livedowngrade, downgrading your zpool isn't possible either
[03:28:51] <bda> TomJ: zpool import with no arguments.
[03:29:02] <dclarke> I'll figure out how to do it
[03:29:04] <TomJ> no pools to import
[03:29:06] <bda> hm.
[03:29:21] <TomJ> but if I export it then import gives info.. but no version
[03:29:31] <bda> er
[03:29:33] <TomJ> just name, id, state, disk details
[03:29:41] <bda> Sorry.
[03:29:44] <bda> zpool upgrade.
[03:29:52] * bda has been standing in a colo for five hours, brain not all here.
[03:29:53] <TomJ> ahh that's the one
[03:29:53] <TomJ> thanks
[03:31:17] <TomJ> err I think there might be a major boo boo with this U5 zpool manual
[03:31:37] <TomJ>      bootfs=pool/dataset
[03:31:37] <TomJ>          Identifies the default bootable  dataset  for  the  root pool.
[03:31:49] <TomJ> either zfs boot is coming in a *patch*.. or they are gettin ahead of themselves :)
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[03:32:56] <dclarke> that is in the S10u5 an page ?
[03:33:00] <dclarke> that is in the S10u5 man page ?
[03:33:07] <dclarke> I really must look at those patches
[03:33:20] <TomJ> after yo uapply patch 119247-34, yes
[03:33:33] <bda> TomJ: haha
[03:33:39] <bda> TomJ: Maybe u6 is Near. ;)
[03:33:45] <dclarke> perhaps .. did that patch make reference to also adding ZFS boot ? :-)
[03:33:46] * TomJ rubs hands in glee
[03:33:48] <TomJ> here's hoping
[03:33:53] <bda> dclarke: It's just a man page patch.
[03:34:00] <dclarke> bda : I can hope
[03:34:03] <bda> TomJ: Yeah, I'm pretty stoked about it.
[03:35:58] <dclarke> can I plug something that I have been working on ?
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[03:36:23] <bda> ?
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[03:36:34] * dclarke points to the entry for Solaris x86 at http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/buildstat.html
[03:36:55] <dclarke> i386-pc-solaris2.8 http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-testresults/2008-09/msg00159.html
[03:36:57] <TomJ> the zfs man page is the same.. has zfs allow etc
[03:37:33] <TomJ> hmm I hope this is confined to ZFS
[03:37:46] <TomJ> that patch had thousands of man pages
[03:37:47] <dclarke> I was thinking of building Google Chrome for Solaris tonight ..
[03:37:55] <dclarke> and have .. mixed feelings about it
[03:37:55] <bda> TomJ: wagh.
[03:37:57] <bda> dclarke: o rly?
[03:38:02] <dclarke> yeah
[03:38:05] <bda> dclarke: I would be interested in seeing a build of that
[03:38:11] <purserj> dclarke: you enjoy poking sharp objects into yourself?
[03:38:11] <dclarke> I have all the pre-requisites already done
[03:38:15] <bda> I use Firefox3 at work for a very javascript heavy app. It sucks.
[03:38:21] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: fun fact: if you install the manpag epatch on an old system, you'll get lots of manpages for things that don't exist in the update release you're running
[03:38:27] <dclarke> purserj: hence the mixed feelings
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[03:38:35] <e^ipi> google's "thread coherency is hard, so we're going to bloat up processes" browser of no-privacy doom?
[03:38:48] <bda> They fixed the license. It was copy/paste from something else.
[03:38:57] <bda> Anyway, I still want to see it. :)
[03:39:01] <dclarke> fine
[03:39:06] <dclarke> I'll make coffee
[03:39:11] <dclarke> have something by morning
[03:39:13] <dclarke> maybe
[03:39:27] <bda> :o
[03:39:29] <dclarke> but you will have to get it from Blastwave .. those are the rules
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[03:39:35] <e^ipi> i still maintain that it was an idiotic choice to spin up processes instead of  threads
[03:39:48] <dclarke> e^ipi : I agree totally
[03:39:56] <bda> dclarke: That's fine. :)
[03:40:00] <bda> IPS?
[03:40:10] <dclarke> geez . .what have we been doing all this concurrency for .. just to rack up pids ? ?
[03:40:20] <dclarke> bda : sure
[03:40:39] <dclarke> bda : go see library.network.com .. we have 1807 apps published there and 1700 migrated and tested in IPS
[03:40:43] <dclarke> more to come
[03:40:58] <e^ipi> dclarke: well, you see... it's very slightly harder to make threads not collide over memory
[03:41:04] <bda> Cool beans.
[03:41:08] <e^ipi> you have to have actual programmers that pay attention to what they're doing
[03:41:28] <e^ipi> much easier to just chew through all the process overhead
[03:41:30] <dclarke> e^ipi : yeah .. in a big way .. so they just dispatch processes .. ick .. the RSS will be shite
[03:41:31] <jbk> but it's google!
[03:41:34] <jbk> google!
[03:41:38] * jbk points
[03:41:57] * dclarke feels the urge to vomit
[03:42:06] <dclarke> hence .. the mixed feelings
[03:42:06] <nachox> has anyone tried compiling the new browser in  solaris?
[03:42:11] <jbk> (I'm just repeating the quoted advantages of it)
[03:42:14] <dclarke> I'm working on it
[03:42:41] <dclarke> but .. what can I say .. their SVN server is down and I have to drag down a tar ball and then fight with a few things
[03:42:51] <dclarke> I don't see the purpose in this .. tonight
[03:42:55] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: yeah that patch is nuts, it looks like it has every single man page even though most haven't changed
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[03:43:25] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: is it still marked 'reboot required'?
[03:43:32] <bda> haha. No.
[03:43:41] <bda> Or if it was, I didn't notice. ;)
[03:43:57] <TomJ> i dont know either, i installed it with a bunch of patches that were reboot so i had to anyway
[03:44:02] <dclarke> pardon me .. must meander away
[03:44:19] <e^ipi> good assesment of chrome: http://blog.headius.com/2008/09/few-thoughts-on-chrome.html
[03:44:27] <e^ipi> conclusion: idiotic from the get-go.
[03:44:39] <e^ipi> new javascript engine = good
[03:44:56] <e^ipi> the rest of the browser they've surrounded it with = waste of time energy and CPU cycles
[03:44:57] <bda> You use it yet?
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[03:45:06] <e^ipi> bda: briefly on a friends' laptop
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[03:45:23] <bda> "Threading is hard. Let's go shopping." # Excellent.
[03:45:31] <Gman> google doing their own browser has been on the cards for a long time
[03:45:42] <Gman> not at all surprised that they produced one
[03:45:49] <e^ipi> Gman: but so sloppy ?
[03:45:49] <bda> It's been around internally for a while, evidently.
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[03:46:06] <Gman> e^ipi: all of google's stuff is sloppy
[03:46:12] <e^ipi> fair enough
[03:46:26] <Gman> get used to that web 2.0 'not quite ready' feeling
[03:46:32] <bda> Beta.
[03:46:33] <bda> feh.
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[03:47:13] <cypromis> sounds somewhat microsoftish
[03:47:14] <e^ipi> but i hate that feeling
[03:47:43] <turtle> Dragging tabs between windows sounds pretty cool.  <--safari does that
[03:47:53] <Gman> so does firefox
[03:47:56] <jbk> anything of googles that isn't search that's not beta?
[03:48:04] <purserj> gmail?
[03:48:10] <_mary_kate_> Opera does that too
[03:48:17] <e^ipi> doesn't gedit do it too?
[03:48:18] <jbk> gmail is still beta
[03:48:20] * Gman doesn't use that much google stuff outside search
[03:48:22] <nachox> most companies are doing the same thing, even sun, opensolaris was not so ready when it was released too, i wont blame google
[03:48:36] <e^ipi> i will
[03:48:40] <Gman> nachox: right
[03:48:46] <purserj> technically nothing is "ready" at release
[03:49:08] <Gman> the new open source business model - produce unstable apps so that people *have* to buy support!
[03:49:26] <nachox> redhat has their fedora to play. ubuntu has ... well... ubuntu...
[03:49:38] <Gman> right
[03:49:39] <e^ipi> you can improve things after you reach a certain milestone of done-ness
[03:49:41] <lkthomas> e^ipi, hey
[03:49:42] <Gman> and i think that's probably ok
[03:49:48] <lkthomas> e^ipi, I got everything in place
[03:49:55] <purserj> Gman: I thought that redmond based software company had that business model first
[03:49:56] <e^ipi> but too much crap is out there that leaves dangling bits that are frustrating to no end
[03:50:00] <lkthomas> e^ipi, storage server have been setup
[03:50:05] <e^ipi> i can't stand it, it's sloppy and bad
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[03:50:28] <e^ipi> it'll probably do more to prevent people from using it ( for whatever "it" is ) than anything else
[03:50:49] <e^ipi> at least windows has some feel of done-ness to it
[03:52:07] <e^ipi> if you can't be arsed to polish off the edges, don't bother even starting the project...
[03:53:08] <nachox> Gman: btw, the time to market to every one of those products was severely cut too, they only skipped one testing step i think
[03:53:10] <purserj> sure if you don't know what to look for or are conditioned to expect done-ness to include a conceptual failure
[03:53:59] <e^ipi> parse error on line 1
[03:54:47] <nachox> command garbled :)
[03:54:55] <purserj> the idea of Windows having a feeling of done-ness
[03:55:03] <lkthomas> does solaris support auth against mysql DB rather than ldap ?
[03:55:21] <nachox> i dont think any os supports that
[03:55:30] <lkthomas> I remember linux does
[03:55:37] <lkthomas> there have something call pam_mysql ?
[03:55:56] <purserj> http://pam-mysql.sourceforge.net/
[03:56:04] <purserj> last release appears to have been 2006
[03:56:29] <lkthomas> which means it works
[03:57:02] <e^ipi> why would you want to anyways?
[03:57:06] <purserj> buggered if I know
[03:57:17] <e^ipi> that's what ldap's for
[03:57:25] <purserj> wouldn't be the first sourceforge project that died halfway through development
[03:57:34] <lkthomas> hmm
[03:57:43] <lkthomas> ldap is a headache to manage
[03:57:49] <cypromis> is it ?
[03:57:53] <lkthomas> for me, yes
[03:57:56] <lkthomas> setup is hard :P
[03:58:14] <nachox> for simple environments, it's not really hard
[03:58:14] <cypromis> took me about 15 minutes with SUN DS6EE
[03:58:23] <nachox> check opends
[03:58:26] <bda> DS6EE is... easy.
[03:58:31] <lkthomas> LOL
[03:58:34] <cypromis> plus about 5-10 per box if manualy setup
[03:58:44] <cypromis> even the fedora DS is easy
[03:58:53] <lkthomas> problem is comes from another thing
[03:59:06] <lkthomas> I am trying to connect Zimbra to ldap
[03:59:13] <lkthomas> which drive me nuts, haha
[03:59:20] <nachox> fedorads is like DS5.x
[03:59:43] <cypromis> only thing that drove me nuts with ldap was jira
[03:59:52] <lkthomas> not openldap ? :P
[03:59:56] <cypromis> cause it can only connect dynamicaly if you use the atlassian crowd SSO crap
[04:00:05] <cypromis> openldap behaves praehistoric
[04:00:08] <bda> OpenLDAP. feh.
[04:00:09] <e^ipi> lkthomas: ldap is ldap ( unless it's Active Directory )
[04:00:17] <e^ipi> anything that can speak to ldap can speak to DSEE
[04:00:22] <bda> Just use DSEE.
[04:00:26] <e^ipi> +1
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[04:00:32] <nachox> nod
[04:00:34] * bda set up JSCS the other day.
[04:00:36] <lkthomas> haha
[04:00:39] <lkthomas> LOL
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[04:00:57] <lkthomas> e^ipi, so openldap could sync with DSEE as well ?
[04:01:20] <lkthomas> I know LDAP is a standard protocol :)
[04:01:24] <nachox> sync?
[04:01:30] <nachox> what do you mean?
[04:01:36] <bda> You can set up LDAP replicas.
[04:01:36] <lkthomas> nevermind
[04:01:56] <lkthomas> bda: even with two diff ldap server ?
[04:02:03] <bda> No idea how that would behave.
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[04:02:10] <lkthomas> that's the point
[04:02:23] <bda> So Google or find out. :)
[04:02:34] <lkthomas> brb a moment guys, need to read docs
[04:02:42] <jbk> i don't believe the replication protocol is standardized
[04:02:46] <nachox> i dont know why you'd want that though
[04:03:11] <bda> nachox: I could see where it would be required if you didn't control aspects of your infrastructure.
[04:03:15] <bda> But in this case, yeah, no.
[04:05:52] <lkthomas> guys, I got a question, how many steps do I  need to take to install linux zones on solaris ?
[04:06:12] <bda> Not many, if you are using a "supported" distro/version.
[04:06:20] <lkthomas> ubuntu ?
[04:06:25] <bda> If you wander off into left field it is less trivial, but workable.
[04:06:37] <bda> Pretty sure only CentOS and some other RH-based dist is supported.
[04:06:43] <_mary_kate_> can i connect HVD SCSI devices to an SE port?
[04:06:45] <bda> Check os.org.
[04:06:55] <nachox> lkthomas: i'm not sure whether there is support for any distro using a 2.6 kernel
[04:07:03] <lkthomas> WHAT?!
[04:07:06] <lkthomas> only kernel 2.4 ?
[04:07:15] <bda> 2.6 is experimental.
[04:07:19] <lkthomas> ........
[04:07:30] <bda> Use Xen.
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[04:08:07] <nachox> what linux-only app do you need that needs a 2.6 kernel?
[04:09:02] <lkthomas> none :P
[04:09:13] <bda> So stop crying into your Cheerios.
[04:09:37] <lkthomas> hey, Zimbra could run on solaris!
[04:09:38] <_mary_kate_> support for RHEL3 will be dropped in a couple of years, so 2.6 support will be needed soonish
[04:09:41] <lkthomas> http://zimbra.ijichi.org/
[04:10:54] <lkthomas> guys, does solaris got same age as freebsd ?
[04:11:00] <nachox> if you need linux, use linux, i cannot think of a single reason to do that but i'm not a creative enough person i guess
[04:11:03] <e^ipi> lkthomas: what?
[04:11:23] <lkthomas> I mean, aren't they come from same family ?
[04:11:29] <e^ipi> lkthomas: not exactly
[04:11:36] <_mary_kate_> FreeBSD is BSD, Solaris is System V
[04:11:39] <e^ipi> lkthomas: solaris is a SysV operating system, freebsd is BSD
[04:11:41] <nachox> lkthomas: read the relevant wikipedia web pages
[04:11:47] <lkthomas> K
[04:11:48] <lkthomas> hmm
[04:11:50] <_mary_kate_> they both derive from V7, but that's a very long time ago
[04:12:02] <lkthomas> one part I don't understand
[04:12:05] <e^ipi> and then the SysVR4 resync
[04:12:16] <lkthomas> why does the software install like everywhere
[04:12:33] <lkthomas> maybe I am getting used to linux which install programs on /usr/local/bin/*
[04:12:34] <e^ipi> what do you mean 'install like everywhere"
[04:12:44] <lkthomas> the folder management sucks
[04:12:44] <e^ipi> oh, because otherwise you have collisions
[04:12:52] <lkthomas> collision of what ?
[04:12:55] <e^ipi> it doesn't suck, it lets me leave the gnu shit out of my path
[04:12:57] <nachox> names?
[04:13:30] <lkthomas> I mean, every admin got their own path, it is very hard to trace where is all program located at
[04:13:31] <e^ipi> and you can do things like put the standards conforming stuff at the beginning of $PATH ( PATH=/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/xpg6/bin:$PATH )
[04:13:43] <nachox> e^ipi: you'll start using indiana soon enough, you'll see
[04:13:56] <e^ipi> when my manager explicitly forces me to
[04:13:56] <bda> nachox: If you have apps that require Linux, or are incredibly hard to port because they rely on Linuxisms, building a Linux branded zones and collapsing older systems into them is...
[04:14:00] <bda> Really useful.
[04:14:03] <bda> We opted to just port our codebase, though. :)
[04:14:07] <e^ipi> if she doesn't, then i won't
[04:14:08] <bda> But it wasn't easy.
[04:14:35] <lkthomas> I am very surprise that solaris doesn't have software ports tree like freebsd does
[04:14:44] <bda> Use pkgsrc. Or blastwave.
[04:14:47] <nachox> bda: there are always alternative applications :P
[04:14:52] <lkthomas> right
[04:14:56] <bda> nachox: Note that I said "our" codebase.
[04:15:03] <bda> Like code we have written. Over a decade and change.
[04:15:04] <e^ipi> lkthomas: blastwave, SFE, pkgsrc, IPS
[04:15:22] <lkthomas> I heard IPS couple of times, but I got no idea what is that
[04:15:34] <turtle> pkgsrc and blastwave suck though. i really hope ips becomes more popular
[04:15:47] <bda> pkgsrc sucks?
[04:15:48] <e^ipi> lkthomas: it's the stuff 2008.05 has in it. it's like apt/yum
[04:15:56] <lkthomas> I see
[04:15:56] <nachox> a very experimental packaging system of indiana
[04:15:59] <lkthomas> I am using SXCE
[04:16:12] <e^ipi> so, SFE, blastwave, pkgsrc
[04:16:28] <bda> There's a thread somewhere about getting IPS on SXCE.
[04:16:29] <bda> ;P
[04:16:43] <bda> But I'm pretty sure that guy was building his own pkgs.
[04:16:46] <lkthomas> bda, is it a good thing ?
[04:16:57] <bda> shrug
[04:17:21] <nachox> if you want ips use indiana...
[04:18:14] <lkthomas> hmm, every software said to be supported on solaris 10, it will runs on SXCE, am I correct ?
[04:18:20] <e^ipi> yes
[04:18:31] <lkthomas> ok, good
[04:18:40] <e^ipi> every software supported on solaris 8 is supported on SXCE
[04:18:45] <lkthomas> woo
[04:18:58] <lkthomas> they don't have compatible problem ?
[04:19:03] <e^ipi> no, sun guarantees it
[04:19:09] <nachox> the bliss of abi/api guaranteed compatibility
[04:19:16] <lkthomas> I see
[04:19:18] <_mary_kate_> everything that runs on solaris 2.0 is supported on SXCE
[04:19:21] <lkthomas> I think that's the best part
[04:19:26] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, WHAT?!
[04:19:32] <lkthomas> you must be kidding
[04:19:49] <nachox> no
[04:19:58] <e^ipi> i have a copy of mosaic browser 0.9 for solaris 2.4 that works just fine on SXCE
[04:20:08] <lkthomas> LOL e^ipi
[04:20:09] <e^ipi> it chokes on new web pages, but it works
[04:20:12] <lkthomas> how old is that software ?
[04:20:41] <nachox> this is not linux, sun has customers that depend on old apps, and will be very unhappy if they have to spend money again just because the os just happened to break an interface
[04:20:48] <e^ipi> lkthomas: 1993
[04:20:52] <lkthomas> HAHA
[04:21:03] <lkthomas> nachox, I see, so great
[04:21:13] <lkthomas> I start to understand why solaris are so popular
[04:21:26] <lkthomas> programs will never expire
[04:21:49] <kgoetz> the way apple usd to be.
[04:22:03] <nachox> it is so popular? really? :P
[04:22:12] <lkthomas> not until Apple change the arch to intel based
[04:22:31] * lkthomas using a macbook because of that
[04:22:57] <lkthomas> I know my programs don't need to upgrade for at least 10years :P
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[04:23:40] <kgoetz> lkthomas: i dont know what you just told me o_0 but i'll assume its corret
[04:23:44] <lkthomas> jeremyz, you are using iscsi ?
[04:23:52] <jeremyz> lkthomas: just configured it, yes
[04:24:00] <jeremyz> created a few LUNs
[04:24:06] <lkthomas> jeremyz, I think you do know the risk of using iscsi ?
[04:24:13] <jeremyz> now its idling at 100%
[04:24:23] <jeremyz> lkthomas: what if I wear protection?
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[04:24:38] <lkthomas> I did setup one before
[04:24:46] <lkthomas> the company got their layer 3 switch hang
[04:24:50] <lkthomas> after reset it
[04:24:54] <lkthomas> filesystem crash
[04:24:54] <jeremyz> heh
[04:24:59] <jeremyz> musta been a nice one :)
[04:24:59] <lkthomas> need to rebuild the tree
[04:25:09] <jeremyz> what tree?
[04:25:10] <lkthomas> people suggest NFS
[04:25:13] <lkthomas> FS tree
[04:25:19] <jeremyz> ZFS?
[04:25:26] <jeremyz> well .. the thing about that is.. my use case is a little .. odd
[04:25:28] <lkthomas> I believe NFS is slower than iscsi
[04:25:38] <lkthomas> no, it is linux SAN
[04:25:49] <jeremyz> and that would involve mounting ZFS/NFS via Linux which actually craters the linux system heh
[04:25:54] <lkthomas> it was half years ago and I did not know solaris got something call ZFS :P
[04:26:30] <jeremyz> i trust a Sun implementation a lot more than Linux... after all, they do pay for their engineers instead of lowest bidder ...
[04:26:57] <nachox> linux engineers also get paid...
[04:27:10] <jeremyz> well yeah I was just being snarky ;)
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[04:27:23] <ryankrizan> Is there a way to check bogomips on OS?
[04:27:23] <jbk> to do what?
[04:27:25] <jeremyz> this 100% thing is unfortunate though
[04:27:56] <lkthomas> I don't understand why all company which use linux is poor
[04:28:09] <lkthomas> this is my second job after graduated
[04:28:15] <nachox> i dont understand what you dont understand...
[04:28:16] <lkthomas> both company sucks
[04:28:17] <ryankrizan> lkthomas, GNU/Linux, don't you mean?
[04:28:27] <e^ipi> lkthomas: because linux admins are cheap
[04:28:29] <e^ipi> like windows admins
[04:28:38] <lkthomas> either not going to pay a good salary or no money to buy new hardware
[04:28:44] <lkthomas> ryankrizan, yes
[04:28:55] <lkthomas> e^ipi, not in here, windows admin worth a lot more
[04:28:59] <nachox> e^ipi: crappy admins are cheap you mean
[04:29:05] <e^ipi> nachox: that's what i said
[04:29:06] <lkthomas> also, windows admin could find a job a lot easier than me
[04:29:11] <ryankrizan> e^ipi, Any idea how to check bogomips on OS?
[04:29:17] <e^ipi> ryankrizan: to do what?
[04:29:31] <nachox> ryankrizan: get a linux livecd, the bogomips is something they invented
[04:29:55] <jeremyz> e^ipi: makes sense right? like JWZ once said... "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing."
[04:30:05] <ryankrizan> nachox, aaah that's right. geez I can't believe I forgot that. Meh, thanks though.
[04:30:13] <jeremyz> or in this case, if you pay very little for time :)
[04:30:15] <e^ipi> could you pick a more irrelevant measure of "performance" ?
[04:30:15] <lkthomas> jeremyz, correct
[04:30:30] <e^ipi> how about terminal velocity ?
[04:30:32] <lkthomas> actually
[04:30:37] <jeremyz> i aint here to pick on it.. I know more linux than most would care to know ..
[04:30:46] <lkthomas> linux is free just a mislead statement
[04:30:56] <lkthomas> you are actually pay more on admin than the linux itself
[04:31:03] <jeremyz> but i think thats why solaris now has all of those easier to deal with tools .. like sharemgr etc .. used to be you edited files _only_ .. command line loosens that all up a bit
[04:31:27] <nachox> no, it is actually free, you can download it for free, and some distros even have free patches, but that is also true for solaris
[04:31:40] <lkthomas> hmm
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[04:32:09] <jeremyz> nachox: i think thats why gentoo got kinda popular
[04:32:10] <ryankrizan> hm, is there a way to check processor information via terminal?
[04:32:32] <jeremyz> Im actually using nexenta... very interesting project
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[04:32:59] <jeremyz> man i dont feel so well.. must need beer
[04:33:10] <e^ipi> ryankrizan: prtconf -v
[04:33:24] <nachox> ryankrizan:  psrinfo -v
[04:33:30] <e^ipi> or that
[04:35:43] <Ma1> Status of virtual processor 0 as of: 09/05/2008 10:35:02
[04:35:44] <Ma1>   on-line since 09/05/2008 09:32:46.
[04:35:44] <Ma1>   The i386 processor operates at 2000 MHz,
[04:35:44] <Ma1> 	and has an i387 compatible floating point processor.
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[06:11:44] <yoursdai> Does anyone have information on configing sun AVS for zfs zvol?
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[06:35:59] <bradd_> anyone know if sun's CC defines anything to tell me I'm compiling with it?
[06:36:17] <_mary_kate_> __SUNPRO_CC
[06:36:23] <bradd_> ty
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[06:50:17] <bradd_> can I not compile a libfile.a with CC and link to it with g++?
[06:50:28] <_mary_kate_> you cannot
[06:50:36] <_mary_kate_> GCC and Studio use incompatible C++ ABIs
[06:50:37] <bradd_> ok, thanks
[06:50:55] <_mary_kate_> unless the code only communicates with C functions, that would work fine
[06:51:24] <bradd_> ok, good to know
[06:51:30] <bradd_> ty
[06:53:03] <bradd_> one final question, dbx is what I should use in place of gdm for CC ?
[06:53:23] <bradd_> gdb*
[06:55:48] <bradd_> because when dbx is starting, I get an internal error when reading libXrender.so.1
[06:57:51] <e^ipi> mdb
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[07:27:49] <Gman> new feature spot on opensolaris.org/os - stevel and his band of merry songbird men
[07:38:30] <e^ipi> heya Gman
[07:40:34] <Gman> hi john
[07:40:47] <e^ipi> how goes it?
[07:41:25] <charlie_lab> hi again folks ... i'm looking for at the distributions built on top of openSolaris (hoping they might ease use for a 1st timer)
[07:41:58] <charlie_lab> nextenta and belenix look like candidates ... would one be preferable over the other for a new user ?
[07:42:21] * charlie_lab is not a very competent system admin :/
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[07:42:42] <bda> charlie_lab: Use OpenSolaris.
[07:42:50] <bda> It's targeted at the desktop market.
[07:43:34] <charlie_lab> ah, ok, thanks bda
[07:43:39] <bda> np
[07:44:29] <charlie_lab> i guess i'd thought that the dusts built on top of openSol might be easier to set up or act as ubuntu does for debian
[07:44:43] <charlie_lab> <dists> ... ;)
[07:44:47] <bda> OpenSolaris takes a few hints from Ubuntu.
[07:45:13] <charlie_lab> heh, ok, i'm sold ... thanks again :)
[07:46:12] <charlie_lab> would these be the best instructions for installling ? ... http://www.blastwave.org/docs/s10u3_howto.html
[07:46:29] <e^ipi> no
[07:46:34] <e^ipi> thoes are for solaris 10
[07:46:50] <e^ipi> if you grab the 2008.05 disk, you pop it in and click 'next' half a dozen times
[07:46:58] <e^ipi> then you are done
[07:47:07] <bda> Indeed.
[07:47:11] <charlie_lab> ouch ... sorry, i only looked up openSolaris last ight, and am a bit vague atm :/
[07:47:32] <bda> I'm pretty sure Denis had an OpenSolaris install screencap entry on blastwave somewhere.
[07:47:35] <charlie_lab> heh, ok ... i'll do it the easy way ;) ... cheers guys
[07:47:35] <bda> er, Dennis.
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[07:52:49] <yoursdai> I use sun avs to transfer zvol between two solaris OS.But I came with a probem."sndradm: Error: /dev/zvol/dsk/tank/avssla is not a character device"
[07:53:03] <yoursdai> Could anyone help me to analysis it to me
[07:53:20] <e^ipi> /dev/zvol/rdsk/...
[07:54:29] <bda> I think AVS is next on my list, now that JES has been knocked over.
[07:54:44] <bda> Assuming the free version works on GA anyway.
[07:54:59] <lkthomas> ok guys
[07:55:02] <lkthomas> I got a question for yo
[07:55:04] <lkthomas> you*
[07:55:10] <e^ipi> lkthomas: did you check the docs
[07:55:12] <e^ipi> ?
[07:55:29] <yoursdai> what docs?
[07:55:33] <e^ipi> you know that's where i'm going to point you if it's in an obvious place there
[07:55:33] <lkthomas> I am planning to use LDAP, but I feel openldap are so complex, is  there have anything you guys could suggest ?
[07:55:37] <e^ipi> yoursdai: /topic
[07:55:43] <e^ipi> lkthomas: DSEE
[07:55:46] <bda> lkthomas: Didn't we already say to use DSEE?
[07:56:00] <bda> You can install Access Manager or Delegated Admin and have a GUI for it, as well.
[07:56:04] <lkthomas> e^ipi, I did not know the detail of it yet, but what I want to say is, my solaris server did not install GUI mode
[07:56:10] <bda> Though maybe DA only works for JCS?
[07:56:14] <e^ipi> yoursdai: that answer was for lkthomas . your question is non-obvious. use rdsk, not dsk
[07:56:34] <yoursdai> OK,I try
[07:56:37] <yoursdai> thank you
[07:56:39] <e^ipi> np
[07:56:44] <lkthomas> does access manager be able to connect from outside ?
[07:56:50] <lkthomas> I mean, from another machine ?
[07:57:06] <bda> Sure.
[07:57:20] <lkthomas> so I could connect from other machine, good
[07:57:23] <lkthomas> let me goes into it
[07:58:57] <lkthomas> http://blog.scottlowe.org/2007/04/25/solaris-10-ad-integration-version-3/
[07:58:58] <lkthomas> heh
[07:59:18] <e^ipi> that's for active desktop
[07:59:32] <lkthomas> right, I just need samba support for now
[08:00:33] <e^ipi> "Thanks to some very helpful individuals in the #solaris channel on irc.freenode.net"
[08:00:42] <e^ipi> that's odd... did he find another freenode ?
[08:00:53] <e^ipi> that doesn't sound like the #solaris I know
[08:01:00] <bda> Maybe that's on I2.
[08:03:04] <lkthomas> damn
[08:03:14] <lkthomas> I can't find any docs to tell me how to implement samba with DSEE
[08:04:09] <e^ipi> DSEE is an ldap server
[08:04:10] <lkthomas> e^ipi, actually
[08:04:12] <lkthomas> OH
[08:04:14] <e^ipi> you would use it like any other ldap server
[08:04:19] <lkthomas> just treat it as normal LDAP ?
[08:04:19] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:04:36] <e^ipi> except AD, which is a different beast
[08:04:43] <lkthomas> well
[08:04:44] <lkthomas> for AD
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[08:04:54] <lkthomas> does it means it could do whatever M$ AD do ?
[08:04:59] <e^ipi> no
[08:05:05] <e^ipi> embrace & extend
[08:05:06] <lkthomas> so what is AD about ?!
[08:05:24] <e^ipi> it is a different directory server. best to pretend it doesn't exist
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[08:06:41] <lkthomas> I hope DSEE isn't hard to deal with
[08:06:54] <e^ipi> it's not
[08:06:59] <e^ipi> it has a web ui
[08:07:47] <lkthomas> System Patches
[08:07:51] <lkthomas> I saw it on sun download area
[08:07:55] <lkthomas> do  I need to patch it ?
[08:08:07] <e^ipi> solaris express doesn't have patches
[08:08:14] <e^ipi> only solaris 10
[08:08:19] <e^ipi> ( well, and earlier )
[08:08:28] <lkthomas> I see
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[08:08:36] <lkthomas> I tested SUSE DS
[08:08:39] <lkthomas> very hard to config
[08:08:42] <lkthomas> even got GUI
[08:08:48] <lkthomas> tons of hidden setting
[08:09:58] <e^ipi> anyways, dsee is easy
[08:10:13] <e^ipi> :)
[08:10:30] <e^ipi> i fought with openldap a bunch, had a hell of a time
[08:10:34] <e^ipi> then i installed dsee
[08:10:37] <e^ipi> and that was about the end of that
[08:11:24] <lkthomas> LOL
[08:11:25] <lkthomas> great
[08:11:28] <lkthomas> same as here
[08:11:42] <lkthomas> downloading DSSE 6.3 64x86
[08:12:19] <e^ipi> do you really need a 64 bit ldap server?
[08:12:25] <e^ipi> how much data do you plan on sticking in there?
[08:12:40] <lkthomas> so what are you going to do when programs require openldap schema ?
[08:12:48] <lkthomas> well, my solaris is running 64bit kernel
[08:12:51] <e^ipi> so?
[08:12:58] <e^ipi> half the userland is 32 bit
[08:13:00] <lkthomas> I don't think it will be problem
[08:13:06] <lkthomas> made by Sun should be fine
[08:13:15] <e^ipi> error404@gomorra:[ /export/home/error404 ] $ file /usr/bin/sed
[08:13:15] <e^ipi> /usr/bin/sed: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1 [FPU], dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available
[08:13:16] <lkthomas> same as apple :P
[08:13:40] <e^ipi> it's just kinna a waste of bus bandwidth to use the 64 bit version if you don't need it
[08:13:57] <lkthomas> it's ok :P
[08:16:35] <e^ipi> i know it's ok, just pointing out that it's inefficient
[08:16:51] <lkthomas> I know, doesn't matter, I might change back later on
[08:18:01] <lkthomas> you haven't tell me your answer
[08:18:17] <lkthomas> I said when some program require openldap specific schema, what are you going to do ?!
[08:18:26] <e^ipi> is there such a thing?
[08:19:51] <lkthomas> mm
[08:20:20] <lkthomas> OH SHIT
[08:20:24] <lkthomas> my solaris does not have GUI
[08:20:31] <lkthomas> the installer require GUI
[08:20:32] <lkthomas> damn
[08:20:43] <e^ipi> the installer doesn't require a GUI at all
[08:20:48] <e^ipi> i never install with the GUI
[08:20:51] <lkthomas> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2761/ds-dps-dsrk?a=view
[08:20:53] <lkthomas> ?
[08:21:47] <e^ipi> and?
[08:21:54] <lkthomas> hang on now
[08:21:55] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:22:07] <e^ipi> it's Sun we're talking about
[08:22:22] <e^ipi> 80% of the machines they make don't have any sort of framebuffer
[08:22:33] <e^ipi> why would they require a GUI?
[08:23:32] <lkthomas> I think I download the wrong thing
[08:23:52] <e^ipi> how do you figure?
[08:23:57] <lkthomas> take a look:
[08:24:22] <lkthomas> DSEE_Directory_Editor/
[08:24:23] <lkthomas> DSEE_Identity_Synchronization_for_Windows/
[08:24:23] <lkthomas> DSEE_ZIP_Distribution/
[08:24:31] <lkthomas> I only got these after extracted
[08:25:37] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: read the manual, it's very clear on how to install it
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[08:26:09] <lkthomas> wait
[08:26:13] <lkthomas> I think I am getting there
[08:27:16] <lkthomas> found it
[08:27:17] <lkthomas> wait
[08:27:21] <e^ipi> no
[08:27:27] <e^ipi> i'm gonna keep doing what i'm doing
[08:27:32] <lkthomas> dsee_deploy
[08:27:43] <e^ipi> don't really need the play-by-play mate
[08:29:12] <lkthomas> I think I just got it crashed
[08:29:14] <bda> OSOL-SPAN?
[08:29:20] <lkthomas> Error: cannot configure cacao
[08:29:20] <lkthomas> Cannot symbolic link [/dsee/dsee6/cacao_2/usr/sbin//cacaoadm] on [../../usr/lib/cacao/bin//cacaoadm].
[08:29:20] <lkthomas> cacaoadm initialization failed.
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[08:31:41] <lkthomas> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-21-126750-04-1
[08:31:45] <lkthomas> 300MB patch ?!
[08:33:09] <lkthomas> anyone could explain why it is happening ?
[08:34:39] <lkthomas> e^ipi, is it because I am using SXCE ?
[08:35:25] <e^ipi> you can't install patches
[08:35:58] <lkthomas> hmm, how should I deal with it ?
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[08:39:35] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, any idea as well ?
[08:40:45] <_mary_kate_> the patch is not relevant to the zip distribution
[08:40:57] <lkthomas> ok! so what happen there ?!
[08:41:06] <lkthomas> I saw the patch is for solaris 9 too
[08:41:13] <lkthomas> and doesn't make sense for me either
[08:42:28] <lkthomas> maybe native package is the way to go ?!
[08:43:16] <charlie_lab> is this the case ? ... "OpenSolaris isn't really meant for laptops." (quote from another irc chan)
[08:43:43] <_mary_kate_> the patch is for the native package
[08:43:50] <_mary_kate_> you're using the zip distribution.  ignore the patch
[08:43:55] <lkthomas> I know
[08:43:58] <lkthomas> but I can't install it
[08:44:01] <lkthomas> due to that error
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[08:55:15] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, hmm ?
[08:57:48] <lkthomas> ok, I don't get it
[08:57:56] <lkthomas> you guys saying DSEE is painless install
[08:58:04] <lkthomas> but I can't even get pass first step
[08:58:10] <lkthomas> what is going on guys ? please help
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[09:00:26] <lkthomas> HELP
[09:00:32] <lkthomas> does anyone could give me a hand please?!
[09:00:37] <lkthomas> e^ipi, are you still awake ?
[09:02:49] <lkthomas> oh no
[09:02:50] <lkthomas> wait
[09:02:57] <lkthomas> seems I did not install cacao ?
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[09:08:53] <CodeWar> I just read on Gosling's website that the latest release uses ZFS for root
[09:09:12] <sickness> could use zfs root if you install in text mode, yeah
[09:09:17] <sickness> since like snv94
[09:09:25] <CodeWar> that was a major problem I had with Solaris 10 having to manually push things from / to a newly created zfs pool .. hated the ufs..
[09:10:37] <CodeWar> although I use Ubuntu right now been watching the OpenSolaris world ... if they can get power managerment / decent wireless support would be really nice
[09:12:15] <lkthomas> I see
[09:12:23] <lkthomas> I haven't install cacao
[09:12:27] <lkthomas> after install, it seems fine now
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[09:17:34] <lkthomas> give up
[09:17:37] <lkthomas> go back to openldap
[09:20:46] <seanmcg> charlie_lab, opensolaris runs just fine on laptops, from the tiny asus ones to high end mac book air's.
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[09:22:35] <norman> s/high end/stylish and very expensive/
[09:23:04] <Adamant> well it is sort of high end. just not high power.
[09:23:07] <lkthomas> now, dccsetup failed
[09:24:26] <lkthomas> dsccsetup I mean
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[09:27:40] <lkthomas> is that possible to debig why dsccsetup is failed ?
[09:27:42] <lkthomas> debug*
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[09:30:06] <seanmcg> lkthomas, you may find some help on the DS forums at: http://forums.sun.com/forum.jspa?forumID=761
[09:30:17] <lkthomas> I see the problem now
[09:30:21] <lkthomas> related with host name
[09:32:37] <lkthomas> ok, cool
[09:32:45] <lkthomas> after change hostname, it works
[09:32:46] <lkthomas> YES!
[09:32:47] <lkthomas> damn
[09:32:52] <lkthomas> You can now start your Directory Server Instances
[09:32:52] <lkthomas> You can now start your Directory Proxy Server Instances
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[09:32:54] <lkthomas> WOOO!!!
[09:32:57] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:32:59] <lkthomas> I am so happy
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[09:34:13] <seanmcg> the hostname needed a full domain name ?
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[09:34:41] <lkthomas> yeah
[09:34:54] <freetown> huh?
[09:35:01] <lkthomas> I was using localhost
[09:35:08] <freetown> i run SunDS without a full fdqn?
[09:35:14] <lkthomas> WTF ?
[09:35:24] <lkthomas> nevermind
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[09:35:32] <freetown> but then i do have search domain in resolv.conf so maybe...
[09:36:17] <seanmcg> workaround possibly add the fqdn to the hostname's line in /etc/hosts (eg; 192.168.x.y foo foo.bar.com)
[09:36:25] <lkthomas> right
[09:38:49] <codestr0m> should SS12 be in IPS? I just installed pkg:/sunstudio at 0 dot 2008.5,5.11-0.86:20080430T211032Z and the about page isn't clear about which version it is. (granted it's still morning here..)
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[09:39:21] <Ma1> sunstudioexpress
[09:39:36] <lkthomas> what is included on sun studio
[09:40:09] <freetown> java...suncc...good stuff :D
[09:40:34] <freetown> if you come from a linux background..think gcc, gcj
[09:40:38] <codestr0m> lkthomas: looks a lot like netbeans to me, but is probably higher qa.. and comes with better support for c/c++ using suncc and friends. (some assumptions)
[09:40:53] <lkthomas> I see, hmm
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[09:41:06] <freetown> you mean little support for gccisms :D
[09:41:44] <seanmcg> codestr0m, the IDE in sunstudio is netbeans :)
[09:42:09] <codestr0m> seanmcg: yeah, but like I also added. it swaps out gcc for suncc
[09:42:12] <freetown> half the code out there probably will not compile with sunstudio due to their devs using gcc and gcc extensions rather extensively.
[09:42:14] <Ma1> I just installed Sunstudioexpress at noon
[09:42:15] <codestr0m> and I think dbx vs gdb
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[09:42:37] <freetown> it is a major pain in the neck.
[09:42:43] <seanmcg> studio express has support for some gccism btw.
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[09:42:48] <codestr0m> freetown: if you add -pendent to your build options and run lint does that help in general?
[09:42:49] <freetown> SOME
[09:42:56] <freetown> that is the blinking problem.
[09:43:10] <freetown> eh? what is that? never tried...
[09:43:22] <freetown> what does that do?
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[09:43:42] <freetown> i last tried compiling asterisk with studioexpress and it bombed
[09:43:49] <freetown> asterisk 1.4.x that is
[09:45:36] <lkthomas> did you get it working ?
[09:45:44] <seanmcg> Vijay's blog has a presentation showing some of the gcc compatabilities in the latest studio express http://blogs.sun.com/tatkar/entry/beyond_sun_studio_12_new
[09:46:27] <charlie_lab> seanmcg: thanks, it didn't sound very plausible, so i thought i'd better check
[09:46:33] <freetown> nope. never did...gave up after a while...i mean, at that time suncc already had some gccism support. Maybe better now
[09:47:25] <seanmcg> some gcc'isms don't make much sense at times, plus they defy c/c++ standards at times.  (though at other times they get into the standard :)
[09:48:07] <freetown> yeah, whatever, the problem is that way too many good stuff use them
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[09:48:17] <charlie_lab> um the reason i asked, was that i tried belemix live cd, whislt waiting for openSolaris to d/l (i already had it on cd) ... and my laptop made a loud, high-pitched whining (audio h/w prob ?), which wouldn;t stop til i powered off
[09:48:30] <codestr0m> freetown: sorry it's -pedantic  http://linux.die.net/man/1/gcc
[09:48:51] <charlie_lab> sorry, belenix
[09:49:12] <freetown> codestr0m: so i feed -pedantic to suncc?
[09:50:05] <codestr0m> freetown: no.. that's in reference to linux/gcc developers (like those working on Asterisk) to be more strict so in the future it's easier for it to compile under other tools like suncc
[09:50:30] <codestr0m> sunstudioexpress installs this version for me.. 2007 isn't right?  Sun Studio (Build 200711261600, Sun Studio 20071207
[09:50:50] <freetown> sunstudio11?
[09:51:47] <codestr0m> I'm looking for 12 (even if it's in beta)
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[09:52:25] <seanmcg> codestr0m, http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/express/index.jsp
[09:52:44] <seanmcg> that has the july 2008 build
[09:52:54] <_mary_kate_> studio 12 was released ages ago
[09:53:45] <freetown> Indy comes with 2008/04/04 build
[09:54:06] <freetown> i guess Indy bundles studio 12 then?
[09:54:30] <trochej> freetown: You can get sstudio 12 or studio express. There are packages for both in pkg. repo
[09:54:35] <codestr0m> am I missing something.. 2008.* >= Indy?
[09:54:36] <trochej> IIRC
[09:54:39] <lkthomas> ./dsccreg add-server -H dev.citylife.com /dsee/instance/
[09:54:39] <lkthomas> Enter DSCC administrator's password:
[09:54:39] <lkthomas> Failed to connect to ldap://localhost:3998
[09:54:39] <lkthomas> localhost:3998
[09:54:46] <freetown> 2008.05 = Indy
[09:54:47] <lkthomas> why it keep searching localhost ?
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[09:55:05] <_mary_kate_> i guess by 'indy' he means Indiana, which is another name for 2008.05
[09:55:18] <freetown> is there another meaning? :D
[09:55:32] <seanmcg> car racing :)
[09:55:51] <freetown> AH, forgot you chaps are in the US :D
[09:56:04] <_mary_kate_> eh?  i'm definitely not in the US
[09:56:16] <seanmcg> nope!
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[09:56:31] <freetown> is that circuit that famous?
[09:56:57] <seanmcg> formula one
[09:57:00] <freetown> or maybe you chaps are all into racing
[09:57:26] <_mary_kate_> i'm into using the proper term when talking to new users, so as not to confuse them further
[09:57:34] <codestr0m> anyway.. thanks seanmcg.. I'm sure there's a good reason the latest builds in IPS are from 2007 as not everyone needs/wants bleeding edge :P
[09:58:05] <freetown> codestr0m: are you talkign about the Sunstudio package?
[09:58:23] <freetown> if you are...well...it is not from 2007.
[09:58:31] <codestr0m> freetown: both sunstudio and sunstudioexpress seem to be from 2007 for me
[09:58:38] <freetown> suncc -V?
[09:58:39] <seanmcg> codestr0m, thought an express release was in IPS too
[09:58:53] <codestr0m> seanmcg: it's in there
[09:58:54] <codestr0m> Sun Studio (Build 200711261600, Sun Studio 20071207
[09:59:08] <codestr0m> /opt/SunStudioExpress/bin/sunstudio
[09:59:10] <freetown> well...i sure do not get that.
[09:59:13] <Ma1> which server did you get 2007?  I got 20080430 version in opensolaris.org
[09:59:51] <freetown> 2008/04/04
[10:00:01] <Ma1> show you
[10:00:01] <codestr0m> FMRI: pkg:/sunstudioexpress at 0 dot 2008.5,5.11-0.86:20080430T211032Z
[10:00:09] <codestr0m> Authority: opensolaris.org (preferred)
[10:00:53] <freetown>  pkg:/sunstudioexpress at 0 dot 2008.5,5.11-0.86:20080424T192951Z
[10:00:53] <Ma1> yes, the same with you
[10:01:06] <freetown> hey...you guys have newer versions!
[10:01:14] <codestr0m> now what's strange
[10:01:14] <codestr0m> /opt/SunStudioExpress/bin/sunstudio --version
[10:01:14] <codestr0m> Sun Ceres Studio IDE 9.0 SunOS_i386 2008/04/04
[10:01:15] <freetown> you are using IPS9x
[10:01:17] <seanmcg> Vijay's blog has bits about sunstudio express in IPS: http://blogs.sun.com/tatkar/entry/getting_sun_studio_express_7
[10:01:24] <lkthomas> guys
[10:01:34] <lkthomas> obviously slapd is running
[10:01:37] <codestr0m> why the hell does my about report 2007
[10:01:40] <lkthomas> but dsccreg can not connect to it
[10:01:44] <lkthomas> anyone have idea why ?
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[10:01:57] <freetown> codestr0m: maybe you clobbered it with something from sun.com?
[10:02:26] <Ma1> max@s5:~$ /opt/SunStudioExpress/bin/sunstudio --version
[10:02:27] <Ma1> Sun Ceres Studio IDE 9.0 SunOS_i386 2008/04/04
[10:02:32] <freetown> codestr0m:  or wrong terminal of anotehr box :P
[10:02:35] <codestr0m> freetown: no. command line shows newer version than when I run it as a gui, but I did install and uninstall sunstudio
[10:02:36] <seanmcg> lkthomas, off hand check that locahost and your machine's name in the /etc/hosts file aren't 'the same', i.e. map to 127.0.0.1
[10:03:23] <lkthomas> 192.168.1.186	localhost dev.citylife.com
[10:03:28] <lkthomas> I got that line only
[10:03:29] <lkthomas> on hosts
[10:03:41] <freetown> codestr0m: AH...yeah i get the same: Sun Studio (Build 200711261600, Sun Studio 20071207)
[10:03:49] <freetown> from the GUI
[10:04:01] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: how did you end up with localhost not pointing to 127.0.0.1?
[10:04:14] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:04:22] <codestr0m> freetown: that doesn't seem correct does it?
[10:05:23] <freetown> codestr0m: heh. 12 was first released some time back...so we have an updated release
[10:06:04] <freetown> bye all. enjoy your day/night
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[10:06:34] <Ma1> it's Friday afternoon here
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[10:07:29] <lkthomas> changed hosts
[10:07:30] <lkthomas> 192.168.1.186	dev.citylife.com
[10:07:30] <lkthomas> 127.0.0.1	localhost	loghost localhost
[10:07:34] <lkthomas> restart instance
[10:07:42] <lkthomas> still unable to connect to localhost:3998
[10:07:52] <lkthomas> slapd is running tho
[10:07:53] <lkthomas> any idea?
[10:09:07] <lkthomas> how could I know what does slapd listening ?
[10:10:15] <codestr0m> fwiw...                          Sun Studio (Build 200806241219, Sun Studio 20080610)                  with the lastest July 2008 from Sun.. from the gui about page
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[10:13:32] <lkthomas> # ./dsccreg add-server /dsee/instance/
[10:13:32] <lkthomas> Enter DSCC administrator's password:
[10:13:32] <lkthomas> Failed to connect to ldap://localhost:3998
[10:13:35] <lkthomas> I still don't get it
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[10:13:40] <lkthomas> I did not do anything wrong
[10:13:43] <lkthomas> changed hosts as well
[10:13:45] <lkthomas> slapd is running
[10:13:50] <lkthomas> what else did I missing ?
[10:13:57] <lkthomas> anyone mind to give me a small hints please ?
[10:14:12] <seanmcg> netstat -an | grep 3398, see if anything is actually listening on that port
[10:14:13] <_mary_kate_> dsccreg sounds like something that communicates with DSCC, not slapd
[10:14:20] <_mary_kate_> why not just use dsadm to create instances?
[10:14:28] <lkthomas> created
[10:14:37] <lkthomas> WHAT?!
[10:14:42] <lkthomas> turns out empty
[10:14:49] <seanmcg> what _mary_kate_  said, the administrator's side of things may now have started.
[10:14:54] <seanmcg> s/now/not/
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[10:15:50] <lkthomas> # ./dsadm start /dsee/instance/
[10:15:51] <lkthomas> Directory Server instance '/dsee/instance' is already running (pid: 17615)
[10:16:00] <lkthomas> isn't I just need to run dccreg now ?
[10:16:08] <lkthomas> or I have to start another service first ?
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[10:17:43] <lkthomas> does it means I need to connect to port 389 instead of 3398 ?
[10:18:42] <lkthomas> it is 3998, sorry
[10:18:46] <lkthomas> still can't connect
[10:21:05] <lkthomas> which service using port 3998 ?
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[10:22:26] <lkthomas> LOL
[10:22:27] <lkthomas> nice
[10:22:28] <seanmcg> lkthomas, sorry my typo with 3398.
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[10:22:30] <lkthomas> got something new now
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[10:22:43] <lkthomas>  ./dsccreg add-server -h localhost -p 389 /dsee/instance/
[10:22:43] <lkthomas> Enter DSCC administrator's password:
[10:22:43] <lkthomas> Failed to connect to ldap://localhost:389
[10:22:43] <lkthomas> [LDAP: error code 32 - No Such Object]
[10:22:49] <lkthomas> looks like I need to create suffix ?
[10:22:50] <lkthomas> hmm
[10:23:22] <seanmcg> I ment 3998
[10:23:59] <seanmcg> and really try on that forum I posted earlier, they'll be more DS folks there than here I thinks
[10:25:35] <lkthomas> I think I am creating suffix
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[10:28:59] <lkthomas> it is not that easy as I think
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[11:29:48] <Fullmoon> I am using SMF, but I also want to restart a service once it reaches its memory ceiling. Can I use OS's projects facility for this?
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[11:36:19] <oxygene> Fullmoon: you could probably set memory limits for the process, if the OS kills the process (or the process kills itself because it can't malloc anymore), SMF restarts - done..
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[11:37:29] <Fullmoon> oxygene: Sounds as good as it gets with ruby :)
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[11:51:04] <jimm3rs> is there any chance to change bytecode interpreter option in freetype used by opensolaris b95?
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[12:01:18] <AndyG> morning all.
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[12:01:33] <AndyG> Hi Evocal.
[12:01:38] <evocallaghan> Hey
[12:01:45] <AndyG> How are you today?
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[12:02:19] <evocallaghan> I'm very well thank you and you ?
[12:02:25] <evocallaghan> oh he is gone :/
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[12:21:36] <alanc> jimm3rs: bytecode interpreter should be controlled by whether you choose full or medium hinting in the Details dialog under the Font tab in the GNOME Appearance preferences (very well hidden)
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[12:42:01] <Vanuatoo> When doing live upgrade is it required to remove old lu packages and install new ones?
[12:42:11] <Vanuatoo> I'm doing from SXCE95 to SXCE97
[12:43:30] <hile_> It used to be, when going between major rleeases
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[12:49:09] <seanmcg> you're still as well off doing that.
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[13:02:38] <Vanuatoo> So I should not upgrade packages
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[13:37:30] <Vanuatoo> I did live upgrade from SXCE 95 to SXCE 97. I want to delete the previous environment. is ludelete sxce95 the only command I  should run?
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[13:39:17] <trochej> Vanuatoo: Fist luactivate the new be
[13:39:26] <Vanuatoo> I already did
[13:39:41] <Vanuatoo> I did init 6 and now I'm in SXCE 97
[13:39:42] <trochej> Thats all
[13:39:58] <Vanuatoo> I'm happy I've got a beatiful font
[13:40:21] <seanmcg> a beautiful font with snv_97 ?  Good to hear !
[13:40:28] <Vanuatoo> SXCE 95 did not honour font setting Best Shapes
[13:40:59] <Vanuatoo> I guess that is fixed in SXCE 97 and my desktop looks sexy
[13:41:48] <Vanuatoo> so I'm running now ludelete sxce95 and that's all
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[13:43:41] <Vanuatoo> wow I did not think it was so easy :)
[13:43:53] <Vanuatoo> 4 commands basically
[13:44:01] <Vanuatoo> I should document that
[13:44:23] <trochej> Yes, you should
[13:44:55] <Vanuatoo> I was using information from two links
[13:45:09] <Vanuatoo> this is I guess cmihai-s blog
[13:45:10] <Vanuatoo> http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2008/06/solaris-zfs-to-zfs-liveupgrade.html
[13:45:23] <Vanuatoo> and the second one is http://notallmicrosoft.blogspot.com/2008/08/live-upgrade-with-zfs-root-using-sxce.html
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[13:48:10] <div8> is there a way to enable/disable  checksum offloading of any nic that supports it?
[13:54:40] <Vanuatoo> trochej, I did not upgrade SUNWlu* packages before running luupgrade. I guess it's not required for doing SXCE release upgrades
[13:55:11] <JWheeler> Just checking on this... cause it seems a bit off. Is virtual box meant to be setuid root?
[13:55:28] <trochej> Vanuatoo: I don't know that. I'd rather update luu first and that entire system
[13:56:00] <Vanuatoo> OK
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[14:05:36] <JWheeler> can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? I'm trying to grant my users zfs permissions, and failing badly: http://rafb.net/p/QZ4XqV94.html
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[14:10:19] <JWheeler> ah, figured it out... I also need mount access
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[14:28:37] <Jon> hi folks, trying to run some sw on opensolaris (my first install of it) that needs berkeley DB. I'm guessing that this package must be packaged up in the OS repository, but I can't find it via pkg(1) (which I am very new to). Can anyone tell me whether it is definitely packaged or not?
[14:32:49] <twisti> Jon, Try pkg search -r <filename>
[14:33:09] <twisti> I only could find:
[14:33:11] <twisti> basename   file      opt/sfw/lib/libdb-4.2.so  pkg:/IPSFWbdb at 0 dot 5.11-5.7
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[14:40:15] <Jon> twisti: thanks. I don't get that in the output (had tried it) but if you do, that probably means I need to check my pkg(1) config :)
[14:42:39] <twisti> Jon, To get IPSFW packages you need to add another authority:
[14:42:47] <twisti> sunfreeware.com                     http://pkg.sunfreeware.com:9000/
[14:44:23] <Jon> aha thank you
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[14:56:58] <im_alone> hi
[14:57:00] <im_alone> the package of the chip has to be bigger to distribute more pins/balls acomplishing the minimum distance between pins/balls for motherboards.
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[14:57:58] <norman> oO?
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[15:00:14] <im_alone> and to distribute better the harm
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[16:01:01] <codestr0m> Anyone able to comment on recent attempts of ccache?  http://opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/onnv_build/faster_builds/Experiments/ccache/
[16:02:32] <hajma> Hi, I'm running the recent opensolaris build based on nv95. When I click the USB Drive icon I receive message "Unable to mount location Can't mount file". Is this a known problem?
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[16:06:28] <JWheeler> hajma, nope, my USB keys work just fine on nv95
[16:07:20] <JWheeler> I sometimes have issues cleanly unmounting them though
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[16:25:29] <Vincenzo8> i
[16:25:45] <Vincenzo8> hello all
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[16:45:16] <JWheeler> What's the trick to refresh nfs information under /net. I'm getting old data
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[16:47:51] <trygvis> restarting automountd should do I me thinks
[16:48:05] <trygvis> perhaps you can give it a HUP or something to have it reload config
[16:48:16] <JWheeler> I'm not using the automounter :/
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[16:48:32] <JWheeler> I'm not quite sure what /net *is* using
[16:48:34] <trygvis> uhm, what is populating /net then?
[16:48:44] <JWheeler> I get the feeling it's just something in memory. It doesn't show up as a mount
[16:49:25] <trygvis> my /home doesn't show up as a mount point, and it is managed by autofs
[16:50:01] <JWheeler> ah, autofs did it!
[16:50:02] <JWheeler> thanks
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[17:12:53] <div8> how can i disable dhcp on system startup?
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[17:49:28] <pd> hi
[17:50:16] <hajma> back to the usb drive problem. I found out that mounting it as root with 'mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/c7t0d0p0:c /export/usb' worked. Other flash drives work out of the box. Any hints what could be the culprit?
[17:50:37] <pd> i have a question
[17:50:46] <pd> i build a new libc in opensolaris
[17:50:52] <pd> and it includes new functions
[17:51:16] <pd> when i try to use the libc, the linker refuses to recognize the new function definitions
[17:51:59] <pd> somebody told me that i should also build libast and lidll, but i don't know why
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[18:31:59] <codestr0m> Was Sun's first product SunOS?
[18:32:52] * codestr0m reading the history
[18:32:52] <benley> their first products were goofy little m68k machines that ran someone else's unix
[18:33:10] <codestr0m> they added tcp/ip it says...
[18:33:50] <codestr0m> you know it's funny.. from a java developers perspective. I've repeatedly heard people say they wish Sun would just stick to Java.. , but the reality is that Sun was doing a lot more before java ever came out
[18:35:26] <codestr0m> Sun's expanded alliances with Informix, Ingres, Oracle, and Sybase set the stage for our emergence as the number one database platform.
[18:35:33] <codestr0m> 1989 :P
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[18:59:08] <Vagrant> what was the channel about 2008.05?
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[19:01:06] <Vagrant> maybe i ask here: i updated 2008.05 to snv_96 and my graphics brokes, some icons in menu has disappeared, font looks weird, not clear
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[19:06:26] <vignesh> hey all
[19:06:52] <vignesh> I have been using opensolaris 2008.05 for about a week
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[19:07:39] <vignesh> Is there any admin guide or some other documentation to learn how to manage the system and learn how and when things happen
[19:07:55] <xRaich[o]2x> vignesh: docs.sun.com
[19:08:50] <vignesh> ok..let me check it out..
[19:09:00] <Vagrant> or opensolaris.com/learn
[19:10:03] <e^ipi> vignesh: see the topic
[19:10:30] <vignesh> ah. ye
[19:10:32] <vignesh> yes
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[19:13:44] <vignesh> But there is only info on installing and running in vbox
[19:13:48] <stevel> Vagrant: #os200805
[19:13:55] <vignesh> what about general systemadminstration
[19:14:05] <e^ipi> vignesh: /topic
[19:14:21] <e^ipi> the link in the /topic
[19:14:31] <e^ipi> Solaris 10 System Administration Guide
[19:14:42] <e^ipi> i'm not being cryptic here
[19:15:00] <vignesh> e^ipi: got it.. Thanks
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[19:18:43] <Vagrant> what os are you using, sxce or 2008.05?
[19:18:55] <vignesh> I am using 2008.05
[19:19:14] <vignesh> I was using sxce earlier but it was not detecting my wireless card
[19:19:20] <vignesh> 2008.05 does :)
[19:21:11] <Vagrant> there was a problem with my nic ;)
[19:21:42] <Vagrant> and now i have problems after update 2008.05
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[19:23:39] <Vagrant> with icons in menu, fonts
[19:24:41] <vignesh> Oh
[19:24:57] <vignesh> I am trying to make it my desktop os
[19:25:05] <vignesh> I only have it on my laptop
[19:25:12] <vignesh> :)
[19:25:26] <Vagrant> me too
[19:25:55] <xRaich[o]2x> Vagrant: did you check defect.opeensolaris.org?
[19:26:20] <vignesh> I have just submitted my device drivers list
[19:26:31] <vignesh> there were some missing ones though :-P
[19:26:53] <Vagrant> xRaich[o]2x: not yet
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[19:27:50] <xRaich[o]2x> Vagrant: you should. if you want to make it your desktop os you should check for bugs and report them if they are not in the database. :)
[19:28:30] <vignesh> Yeah. thats the least we can do, we can `t code and write docs ;)
[19:29:10] <Vagrant> xRaich[o]2x: dunno if i can do desktop machine with os ;)
[19:29:33] <vignesh> Its my default desktop.
[19:29:46] <xRaich[o]2x> same here
[19:30:04] <vignesh> xRaich[o]2x: you use blastwave ?
[19:30:05] <Vagrant> i have a little problems with localization, software
[19:30:14] <Vagrant> and hardware
[19:30:14] <xRaich[o]2x> vignesh: not right now
[19:30:23] <Vagrant> bt wont work, usb camera too
[19:30:35] <vignesh> Oh.. looks like there is some missing dep for vlc :(
[19:30:43] <vignesh> I tried installing it fails
[19:30:55] <vignesh> after downlading deps for an hou
[19:30:57] <vignesh> hour
[19:31:01] <xRaich[o]2x> i compiled mplayer for my multimedia needs ^^
[19:31:08] <vignesh> I am doing that now
[19:31:17] <vignesh> installing mplayer from blastwave
[19:31:25] <vignesh> but mplayer won`t play .flv files
[19:31:34] <xRaich[o]2x> sure it does
[19:31:45] <vignesh> Cool
[19:31:57] <vignesh> Let me give it a shot once pkg-get is done
[19:32:13] <Vagrant> xRaich[o]2x: you are using 2008.05?
[19:32:19] <vignesh> by default or do I need to add some extra codecs ?
[19:32:20] <xRaich[o]2x> Vagrant: yes
[19:32:31] <Vagrant> updated?
[19:32:32] <xRaich[o]2x> vignesh: by default
[19:32:36] <vignesh> Its a nice polished once cd install
[19:32:38] <xRaich[o]2x> Vagrant: sure
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[19:32:44] <vignesh> oh..good
[19:32:48] <Vagrant> on laptop? :)
[19:32:58] <vignesh> I am using it on my lappy
[19:33:06] <vignesh> not checked if BT work
[19:33:08] <vignesh> s
[19:33:09] <xRaich[o]2x> Vagrant: Desktop and laptop
[19:33:09] <Vagrant> what laptop, what hardware?
[19:33:21] <vignesh> The battery charging applet does not work
[19:33:27] <vignesh> Guess its a HAL bug
[19:33:34] <vignesh> what do you say xRaich[o]2x
[19:33:41] <vignesh> is yours working ?
[19:33:55] <xRaich[o]2x> vignesh: what do i say about what?
[19:33:59] <vignesh> The applets is constant,
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[19:34:12] <vignesh> xRaich[o]2x: Battery applet in the panel
[19:34:18] <vignesh> i Think its a HAL bug
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[19:34:51] <xRaich[o]2x> didn't check that. and i won't assume stuff i know nothing about
[19:35:02] <xRaich[o]2x> usually backfires
[19:35:13] <vignesh> your using os 2008.05 on lappy or desktop ?
[19:35:20] <xRaich[o]2x> both
[19:35:26] <vignesh> ok
[19:35:41] <Vagrant> what laptop do you have?
[19:35:46] <xRaich[o]2x> but i'm not mobile with the laptop right now so i did not check the battery stuff
[19:36:10] <xRaich[o]2x> pretty decent hardware. intel chipset etc
[19:36:25] <Vagrant> i have toshiba satellite a200-1my
[19:36:47] <vignesh> Vagrant: if your laptop is new, it will take a little time to get all your h/w detcted
[19:37:15] <Vagrant> clear 2008.05 works just fine but after update no ;<
[19:37:16] <vignesh> ofcourse I install opensound for sound
[19:37:24] <vignesh> it does not work out of the box
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[19:38:23] <Vagrant> nevermin d
[19:38:48] <vignesh> Video used to be crappy in sxce , in os 2008.05 it works great
[19:39:10] <vignesh> xRaich[o]2x: one question, so are future versions of sxce based on 2008.05
[19:39:21] <vignesh> in sxce the Xorg is old
[19:39:41] <vignesh> I think for me video playing will be crappy in sxce 97 as well
[19:39:43] <vignesh> not sure
[19:39:46] <xRaich[o]2x> vignesh: i'm afraid you are asking the wrong guy ;) can't answer that
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[19:39:55] <vignesh> Heh.. np
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[19:40:22] <anthrax> hi guys why am i getting "network unreachable" when i try to add a router
[19:42:05] <anthrax> my default router is set to 192.168.100.200 which is my office's router, i can connect to network from there
[19:42:16] <timsf> can you ping it?
[19:42:30] <anthrax> nope
[19:43:06] <timsf> hard to make it the default gateway for packets if you can't connect to the gateway then...
[19:44:05] <anthrax> where should i look for?
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[19:45:27] <timsf> your interface needs to be on the same subnet as the router.
[19:46:25] <vignesh> Will Sun start shipping sxce dvds again?
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[19:47:50] <anthrax> it is 255.255.255.0 which is default
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[20:48:09] <bda> I don't suppose anyone knows why I'm getting mail from indiana-discuss@ from 2007.
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[20:48:44] <reflect> you've entered a time-loop and you're reliving the past year?
[20:48:50] <bda> That sucks.
[20:48:58] <e^ipi> reflect: a masochism time loop?
[20:49:04] <e^ipi> in which you get to revisit old flame wars?
[20:49:12] <bda> D is making sure I don't do that. ;)
[20:49:20] <bda> ^D rather.
[20:51:02] <e^ipi> if you want to read flame wars, go read the apache standard C++ library ARC case
[20:51:18] <e^ipi> or amd iommu
[20:51:34] <bda> I'm pretty sure I have better things to do.
[20:51:39] <bda> Like chewing on lead.
[20:52:09] <e^ipi> well, heavy metals are part of a well balanced diet
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[20:54:39] <smtms> somebody give me a link to the AMD IOMMU discussion :-)
[20:55:04] <e^ipi> google://arc-discuss
[20:58:32] <e^ipi> that case isn't actually very flame-y
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[21:10:03] <bda> Ok. Seriously. Why am I getting fucking list mail from last year.
[21:10:18] <bda> I wonder if this has weird weird thing to do with Jive.
[21:10:26] <reflect> perhaps they solved an old problem
[21:10:28] <e^ipi> it does
[21:10:35] <seanmcg> interestingly a few people have that question in their own minds too bda :)
[21:11:06] <bda> I'm sure.
[21:13:04] <e^ipi> bda: how much mail?
[21:13:12] <bda> Probably a couple hundred messages so far.
[21:13:19] <bda> I could check my dupe account if you care that much.
[21:13:27] <e^ipi> nah, that's fine
[21:13:40] <e^ipi> one or two i'd say just file a bug, over 100 is a lot though
[21:14:07] <e^ipi> i'll email someone
[21:14:35] <bda> Presumably by now they realize it's a problem, but ok.
[21:18:05] <anthrax> sorry
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[21:32:41] <e^ipi> thanks benr
[21:32:53] <benr> e^ipi, test it please, leave and re-join.
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[21:33:41] <e^ipi> coolies
[21:33:41] <benr> did you op yourself or did that just happen slowly?
[21:33:59] <e^ipi> i signed in to nickserv
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[21:34:19] <e^ipi> nah, looks like I need to ask chanserv
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[21:36:17] <e^ipi> bda: your jive problem should stop soon
[21:37:07] <sebroy> what do I make of a "pkg image-update" failing with "pkg: Result of partial indexing found."
[21:37:29] <sebroy> Could not make: /tmp/<bla.bla>/var/pkg/index/TMP because it already exists.
[21:37:43] <bda> e^ipi: Cool. So it was part of their trying to sort Jive?
[21:38:03] <e^ipi> i'm not sure what it was, i have nothing to do with the website
[21:38:12] <e^ipi> i just told the people responsible
[21:38:19] <benr> e^ipi, Flags are fixed, auto-op is now enabled.
[21:38:25] <benr> I hate the new flag based system.
[21:38:41] <e^ipi> cool, thanks a bunch
[21:38:46] <benr> np. ;)
[21:38:48] <bda> e^ipi: Cheers.
[21:39:23] <benr> e^ipi, btw... you should specify a real name.
[21:39:32] <benr> only n00bs should obscure their identities.
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[21:41:32] <e^ipi> i've been on IRC for 15 years ( non-stop even ) and i've never had a sensible nick <-> real name mapping
[21:41:48] <smtms> e^ipi, are you old enough?
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[21:42:09] <benr> whats the history behind the current nick?  e^ipi is pretty creative. :)
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[21:43:00] <e^ipi> it's euler's formula
[21:43:08] <e^ipi> e^( i * pi ) - 1
[21:43:15] <e^ipi> erm, = -1
[21:43:23] <benr> ya, but why did you chose to identify yourself by it.
[21:43:46] <smtms> because -1 pretty much describes his IQ? :-P
[21:44:01] * benr smacks smtms around
[21:44:02] <seanmcg> irrational and imaginary makes one ?
[21:45:10] * seanmcg not describing e^pi's behaviour :)
[21:45:14] <e^ipi> it's just a beautifully concise formula that includes all the major math operations and constants
[21:45:48] <e^ipi> added bonus "Negative One" describes my mood at the time i changed it
[21:46:29] <benr> fair enough. ;)
[21:47:26] <benr> I used 'technikolor' for years, still do from time to time, but started to use IRC again a couple years ago, too lazy to change my nick from my system username and been stuck since.
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[21:56:45] <postwait> benr: I enjoyed your sapro episode... good job!
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[22:00:01] <benr> postwait, thanks man.
[22:00:51] <MeP3aBeu> plz help with JDSBUILD
[22:01:23] <MeP3aBeu> How to know what path does pkgbuild use?
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[22:02:38] <e^ipi> MeP3aBeu: there is an environment setup script included with CBE
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[22:02:47] <benr> good afternoon David.
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[22:06:14] <comay> hey there, benr
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[22:06:57] <comay> how are you doing?  are you guys all finished moving?
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[22:10:24] <benr> comay, ya, been moved in for about a month.
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[22:46:37] <e^ipi> could someone please explain the new windows ad to me?
[22:46:39] <e^ipi> i don't get it
[22:50:00] <benr> with Jerry & Bill?
[22:50:02] <norman> you got a link to it on youtube?
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[22:51:52] <e^ipi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afR5J7eskno
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[22:58:07] <MeP3aBeu> plz help what have i do? http://pastebin.com/m2276debe
[22:58:29] <MeP3aBeu> can't understand...
[22:59:39] <e^ipi> http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[22:59:50] <e^ipi> see subsection: How can I build the packages?
[23:02:57] <MeP3aBeu> as I understand this command will download source file?
[23:03:09] <MeP3aBeu> but this file is already in SOUTCE
[23:03:14] <MeP3aBeu> SOURCE
[23:04:21] <stux|away> e^ipi: that's supposed to be their new windows vista ad campaign. Trying to convince ppl vista is friendly and of course counter the mac vs. pc ads
[23:04:55] <stux|away> granted,  that was the most pointless thing i've ever seen
[23:06:19] <norman> but they showed bill. apple didn't show steve yet :)
[23:06:30] <e^ipi> friendly != overbearing and obnoxious (seinfield), or looking slightly annoyed at the whole ordeal (gates)
[23:06:40] <bda> e^ipi: But, churros!
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[23:16:50] <stux|away> yeah I think MS is devoting too much time to making us like Vista (and convince us it's worth it) instead of working on a suitable replacement people would like-- er, hate less
[23:17:02] <stux|away> and did you notice Bill's mugshot in his ID card?
[23:17:18] <stux|away> at least i think it was his mugshot
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[23:20:33] <e^ipi> windows doesn't even try to be UNIX so it doesn't really do anything i need to do in a sane manner; I don't really pay attention to it
[23:20:38] <e^ipi> that ad though just confuses me
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[23:21:37] <SYS64738> damn, I am trying to install b97 over an old eserver but the install hangs on: - Creating dump zvol fro pool rpool....
[23:21:56] <SYS64738> also sxce96 did the same thing
[23:23:10] <e^ipi> weird
[23:24:03] <e^ipi> want: http://www.eeextra.com/news/hivision-prepares-to-launch-cheap-netbooks.html
[23:24:06] <e^ipi> mips = <3
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[23:26:01] <norman> i thought mips was only a theoretic processor
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[23:29:47] <e^ipi> norman: SGI was shipping MIPS cpu's until the early 2000's
[23:29:50] <SYS64738> anyone with adaptec 29160lp scsi card ?
[23:30:11] <e^ipi> N64 and playstation 1/2 were also MIPS
[23:30:17] <e^ipi> as well as many embedded devices
[23:30:36] <norman> oh okay
[23:30:37] <e^ipi> MIPS, ARM, and PPC are /the/ low-power embedded CPU's
[23:31:47] <norman> got a nice book about mips
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[23:32:02] <_mary_kate_> you read a book about mips and didn't realise they actually exist? ;)
[23:32:27] <e^ipi> many people have books on MIPS, it's very simple so a lot of universities use it to teach assembly
[23:32:31] <jbk> i think mips are still used as the basis for cpu design courses
[23:32:42] <e^ipi> jbk: that too
[23:32:43] <jbk> i know it was when i took it
[23:33:24] <jbk> granted that's been a while now :)
[23:33:28] <norman> didn't read it yet. just bought it for an exam at the university
[23:33:47] <houst0n-> ARM's well more common these days no?
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[23:35:20] <jbk> leg's as well
[23:35:28] <jbk> :)
[23:36:59] <e^ipi> houst0n-: arm and ppc are slightly more common, yes
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[23:37:11] <e^ipi> but mips is still in fairly heavy use ( my wireless router for example uses mips )
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