[00:00:03] <Auralis> or just install the wm of your choice and let gnome rot awayon disk
[00:02:24] <hile_> hey auralis.
[00:02:26] <hile_> what's shakin?
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[00:02:45] <Auralis> not much, mostly packing
[00:02:50] <hile_> ah
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[00:20:22] <anthrax> laris 10
[00:20:54] <norman> oO?
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[00:24:10] <anthrax> how can i enable audio in solaris 10?
[00:24:30] <WildWire> what sound card do you have?
[00:25:25] <anthrax> Im running on VMWare, set as the default audio driver
[00:25:32] <WildWire> hmm
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[00:25:44] <WildWire> I would try installing open-sound system
[00:26:47] <anthrax> could you pleas give me a refarance to read?
[00:27:14] <WildWire> http://www.opensound.com/
[00:27:26] <anthrax> thanx
[00:27:45] <bradd> hi, I have just replaced the expert3d-lite with a creator3d in my sun. starting Xsun gives me /dev/fb: no such file or directory. Do I have to do something to enable this new card?
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[00:28:12] <sstallion> bradd: have you issued a reboot -- -r ?
[00:28:25] <bradd> nope, i'll try.. thanks
[00:28:32] <sstallion> bradd: that should take care of the issue
[00:28:40] <bradd> ok
[00:29:05] <WildWire> np
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[00:33:18] <bradd> I get WARNING: consconfig: cannot find driver for screen device /upa... when I 'boot -r'
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[00:35:13] <bradd> ok.. /dev/fb is still linking to my old driver.. let me try this again.
[00:35:21] <Auralis> SUNWffb* pkgs installed?
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[00:35:45] <seanmcg> devfsadm -Cv may redo those links without having to reboot -- -r
[00:36:35] <HeatHawk[AP2]> Hey everyone, I am trying to get ndiswrappr to work with a usb network adapter, but when the process bombs out when I do the: make ndis :all kindos of compile errors. Ideas?
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[00:39:12] <anthrax> just asking, is there any defauld sound drivers coming with solaris 10?
[00:42:47] <WildWire> there are some default sound drivers, but afaik they work out of the box only on sun workstations
[00:43:25] <_mary_kate_> they work other places too
[00:43:38] <_mary_kate_> but not everything is supported, you can use OSS if you have an unsupported card (opensound.com)
[00:43:41] <bradd> Auralis, pkginfo | grep SWUNWffb shows nothing.. I'll hunt these pkgs down
[00:43:43] <seanmcg> like on laptops.
[00:43:44] <HeatHawk[AP2]> anthrax, you can install OSS drivers fairly easily though if your card isnt supported by default
[00:43:44] <WildWire> I am sure they do, but I have only tried that on my Ultra 20 M2
[00:44:02] <bradd> SUNWffb*
[00:44:06] <_mary_kate_> well, you just said they only worked on sun workstation ;)
[00:44:30] <WildWire> I am sorry, I should have said I have only tested that on sun workstation
[00:44:38] <WildWire> :-)
[00:44:49] <seanmcg> usually when folks hear 'sun workstation' they think sparc..
[00:45:07] <WildWire> well, Ultra 20 M2 is certainly an opteron box
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[00:58:12] <bradd> thanks Auralis, installing those packages worked.
[00:58:29] <Auralis> :)
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[01:15:14] <shak999> My company would like to write a Blu-ray player application for Opensolaris. Is Sun or anyone else writing the fundamentals to enable this ??
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[01:19:41] <e^ipi> fundamentals?
[01:21:29] <shak999> UDF driver ; codec ; closed source decryption library ...
[01:22:25] <shak999> ...not GUI
[01:22:41] <Auralis> shak999: http://www.data-a.com/products/studio_all.shtml  disc studio
[01:23:39] <bradd> am I better off using a expert3d-lite over a creator3d? the creator doesn't seem to do 1600x1200
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[01:24:23] <Auralis> bradd: depends on what creator you have, the series 2 and 3 creators go up to 1920x1200
[01:24:54] <Auralis> however, the expert is the newer card and faster
[01:25:11] <bradd> ok. I am using ffbconfig -res \? its saying 1600x1200 is not supported by the monitor, but it was working with the expert
[01:25:26] <bradd> my monitor has both 13w3c and svga ports
[01:26:07] <Auralis> shak999: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/Blu-ray/
[01:27:02] <Auralis> bradd: forget the not suported by the monitor message, that is a resulkt form the driver asking the monitor what it supports and the ports on the creator can't transmit that information, so the rsult is always bogus
[01:28:15] <e^ipi> shak999: so you essentially want to write a frontend for mplayer
[01:30:03] <bradd> ok. I was trying 1600x1200x75 but the monitor doesnt come on.. btw, what OWconfig does Xsun use? the one in /usr/openwin/server/etc or /etc/openwin/server/etc ?
[01:31:20] <e^ipi> shak999: no offense, but it doesn't really seem like a worthwhile persuit
[01:31:22] <shak999> ... ipi : almost but not quite. Want to do legitimate decryption and I don't believe the BD-ROM UDF 2.6 driver exists in opensolaris, so mplayer could not read from a BD-ROM drive.
[01:31:51] <e^ipi> well it's not legit unless someone pays for the license
[01:32:10] <e^ipi> and if someone paid the license, the GUI part is trivial
[01:32:15] <e^ipi> so they'd just do that
[01:32:20] <shak999> ...correct me if I am wrong on UDF 2.6
[01:32:29] <Auralis> bradd: first it looks for the one in /etc, if non is present it defaults to the one in /usr
[01:33:00] <e^ipi> honestly, i can bang out a GUI for an app in about 3 hours ... that's the most simple part
[01:33:47] <bradd> ok.. this is acting strange.. when I set even 1024x768 it comes up with a depth of 8. also, the fonts are spaced funny in an xterm.
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[01:34:51] <Auralis> fbconfig -dev /dev/fb -res 1600x1200x75 -defdepth 24 -defclass TrueColor
[01:35:05] <shak999> We are happy to pay the licence for ; product would be commercial and closed source due to BluRay association rules.
[01:35:54] <e^ipi> part of that license fee is probably the codec and UDF driver. porting it to solaris should be pretty easy ( there's a bunch of filesystem driver tutorials out there )
[01:35:57] <bradd> I'm getting Unknown opetion for -defdfclass
[01:35:59] <Auralis> shak999: i would contact sun directly about the driver issue tbh
[01:36:01] <bradd> option*
[01:36:23] <e^ipi> and yes, failing that if you pay Sun enough they'll probably do it for you
[01:36:33] <bradd> *for -defdepth and -defclass
[01:36:40] <Auralis> bradd: hrmm
[01:37:28] <Auralis> man fbconfig and see the see also part the fbconfig command is somewhat picky about capitalization and order
[01:37:51] <e^ipi> or steal the NetBSD driver, the VFS layer is similar enough that it should be pretty easy
[01:37:53] <ottom> Auralis: defdepth and defclass are options to the X server. They go in /etc/dt/config/Xservers.
[01:38:55] <Auralis> err yeah, right, damn so long since i had to fiddle with that
[01:41:06] <shak999> ipi ; thanks, I'll do as you suggest and contact Sun to find out about UDF . Are you interested in writing some/all of the app for money of course ? :-)
[01:41:19] <e^ipi> not at all
[01:44:29] <bradd> well i managed to get 1600x1280 to come up at depth 8.. but my mouse won't go past (looks like 1200) at the bottom. Any ideas?
[01:44:57] <bradd> *for -defdepth and -defclass
[01:45:11] <bradd> sorry, mispaste
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[01:45:42] <Auralis> thats with fbconfig -try right?
[01:46:01] <bradd> nope fbconfig then 'gdm'
[01:46:08] <Auralis> hrmm
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[01:47:04] <bradd> ok, mouse is working in 1920x1200 (wow monitor does this). But its still at depth 8
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[01:51:52] <Auralis> bradd: mkdir /etc/dt/config; cp /usr/dt/config/Xservers /etc/dt/config; man Xsun, then edit the etc/dt/config/Xservers file as needed to get 24bit working
[01:52:20] <bradd> I'm using gdm :( should I switch back? no big deal to switch back)
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[01:52:56] <Auralis> ah right, you said so, well, switch back to try and find out how to do the same with gdm?
[01:53:07] <bradd> ok
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[01:57:04] <bradd> Auralis, ok, great. its starting at depth 24 now.. just the mouse issue
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[01:57:27] * Auralis nods, no clue on the mouse issue howevef
[01:57:38] <bradd> ok. thanks for the help
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[02:34:32] <sstallion> e^ipi: yo
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[02:40:18] <e^ipi> sstallion: heya
[02:40:38] <sstallion> e^ipi: how goes it ?
[02:40:54] <e^ipi> eh, not too bad
[02:40:56] <e^ipi> yourself?
[02:41:46] <sstallion> it goes
[02:42:03] <sstallion> exchanged some emails with gdamore this weekend and today
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[02:42:17] <sstallion> looks like generic ne2k support is out... changing the driver to be rtl8029 specific
[02:42:32] <bda> That'll make my Parallels installs less shit.
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[02:45:14] <sstallion> thats the goal ;)
[02:45:18] <sstallion> what driver are you using now ?
[02:45:30] <bda> The Parallels-supplied one.
[02:45:39] <bda> Which does not enjoy doing two things at once.
[02:45:54] <sstallion> ouch :/
[02:46:56] <bda> Typically it's only doing one thing (Jumpstarting), so it's rarely been an issue. But it'd be nice to be able to like... ssh in, Jumpstart, tail logs... And not have it throw "zomg too busy" errors. ;)
[02:47:02] <bda> So, that news is exciting to me at least.
[02:47:49] <bda> Also, if it actually ran at gig instead of 100? woo.
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[02:48:09] <bda> Not sure if that's VM as opposed to driver?
[02:48:33] <sstallion> bda: well, an RTL8029 is 10mbit only
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[02:48:55] <sstallion> the VM emulates the actual hardware, so there really isn't a way to break that type of behavior
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[02:57:01] <enderst2> funny, someone banned tor?
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[03:01:37] <bda> sstallion: Yeah, duh on me. :)
[03:01:48] <bda> enderst2: Yes. Dumb racist spammer was abusing it.
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[03:01:57] <sstallion> I'll keep you in mind when it comes time to test ;)
[03:02:27] <bda> sstallion: Happy to do so! :)
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[03:04:52] <enderst2> cool, banned in #solaris also. oh well
[03:05:31] <e^ipi> enderst2: yes, tor is used by spammers and pedophiles.
[03:05:40] <e^ipi> i have 0 problems banning the whole thing
[03:06:41] <bda> e^ipi: "I have -1 problem doing that" could be your catchphrase. Like Bart Simpson's "Eat my shorts!"
[03:08:21] <e^ipi> i'd ban pjirc and mibbit too if i thought i could reasonably get away with it
[03:08:56] <e^ipi> honestly, i don't think freenode should even let tor on the network at all
[03:08:56] <bda> Heh.
[03:09:10] <e^ipi> there is no legitimate use for it
[03:09:16] <bda> Eh.
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[03:23:02] <e^ipi> heya stevel
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[03:41:45] <stevel> hey e^ipi... how goes it?
[03:42:04] <nachox> evening people
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[03:42:14] <stevel> 'evening nachox
[03:42:23] * sstallion yawns
[03:42:31] <nachox> how are you doing guys?
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[03:43:04] <stevel> tired
[03:43:22] <nachox> farting does that
[03:43:33] <nachox> i mean, me too
[03:43:35] <e^ipi> s'alright
[03:44:30] <nachox> i'm watching roddick's match, i so want him to win
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[03:45:30] <sstallion> bda: around?
[03:47:15] <bda> sstallion: Briefly.
[03:47:31] <bda> Girl is hopping in a cab from PHL, need to go pick her up some food. :)
[03:47:52] <sstallion> bda: mind doing a prtconf -vp |grep 8029 from your parallels install?
[03:48:11] <bda> Sure. Sec.
[03:48:40] <bda> Well, more like a minute, probably. ;)
[03:49:39] <sstallion> np :)
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[03:55:39] <bda> sstallion: http://nopaste.snit.ch/13930
[03:55:45] <bda> Gotta go pick up food &
[03:55:53] <sstallion> thanks bda
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[04:01:17] <Usuario_> hello... I have boot problems with my opensolaris 2008.05--- I just want to recover some files... Im in the system maintenance now..  It's all what the system allows me... what could I do??...
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[04:03:31] <nachox> "recover some files"?
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[04:06:14] <Usuario_> yes-- I dont know how to get a normal sesion again... so.. I was wondering if there is a way to get some files that I've been wrote.. and then.. I will install again Opensolaris
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[04:10:13] <Usuario_> is there a way to do it?
[04:12:15] <jbk> hmm what's a typical sustained transfer rate for a consumer hd these days?
[04:12:45] <_mary_kate_> sequential?  40MB/sec or more
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[04:15:55] <Usuario_> when my system loads.. giveme these errors:
[04:16:11] <Karen0> hello, Could you help me? I'm new to Sun Visualization and I have some newbie questions. Thanks.
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[04:18:44] <Usuario_> dcopy_alloc not foun; door_ki_upcall_limited not found; brad_clearbrand not found; low_detach_brand_hdlrs not found;     DO Relocations: /kernel/amd64/genunix do_relocate failed   ;   krtld could neither locate nor resolver symbols for: /platform/i86pc/kernel/amd64/unix in the boot archive.
[04:19:13] <Usuario_> unable to boot.. press any key to reboot
[04:19:33] <Karen0> When I run command /opt/VirtualGL/bin/glxinfo -display :0 . I got error: ld.so.1 : glxinfo: fatal: libGL.so.1: Open Failed: No such File or Directory. Could I know what i should do to fix this error? Thanks alot
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[04:20:15] <Usuario_> the las time I was working without problems... after a reboot... I was not able to start again
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[04:24:29] <Usuario_> someone?...
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[04:26:11] <e^ipi> Usuario_: boot the CD, mount the filesystem, and reinstall the boot archive
[04:26:22] <e^ipi> man bootadm(1M)
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[04:28:01] <Usuario_> how I mount the filesystem=?
[04:28:46] <e^ipi> man mount(1M)
[04:29:02] <e^ipi> you'll probably need to import the zpool though
[04:29:08] <e^ipi> man zpool
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[04:31:46] <Usuario_> the fact is.. I read about zpool... but I didn't get it:S
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[04:32:08] <Usuario_> I know use the mount command...
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[04:33:52] <Usuario_> Im now in the live cd...
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[04:34:22] <kgoetz> hi all. is here an ok place to ask about solaris express developer edition, or is that a #solaris question?
[04:34:25] <Usuario_> I do "zpool list" and the output is: no pools available"
[04:34:45] <e^ipi> kgoetz: ask.
[04:34:58] <e^ipi> i use solaris express exclusively
[04:35:03] <e^ipi> ( though, community edition here )
[04:35:12] <kgoetz> e^ipi: i'im currently installing, i just thought i'd be a bit pro-active about getting involved.
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[04:35:23] <kgoetz> and join 'the right channels'
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[04:36:47] <kgoetz> its 08/01 (or 01/08?) so its probably a little out of date, but it'll do until the next opensolaris usergroup meeting later in the month i hope :)
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[04:39:09] <e^ipi> you can actually just liveupgrade to whatever the latest CE is off that
[04:39:09] <kgoetz> well, i'll be back in an hour - hope to see you then
[04:39:17] <kgoetz> cool
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[04:39:35] <kgoetz> i'll ask about that when i get back (or, shock horror, i'll read the doco *g*)
[04:40:13] <e^ipi> see /topic
[04:40:25] <e^ipi> <3 S10 SAG
[04:41:15] <Usuario_> :S i cant do it:S Im right now with my desktop trying to set it up:S... plz help with zpool
[04:42:10] <e^ipi> see zpool(1M). subsection "import"
[04:42:14] <e^ipi> import all attached pools
[04:43:01] <nachox> if the pools werent exported first wouldnt he have problems?
[04:43:14] <e^ipi> nachox: no, you can force an import
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[04:43:29] <e^ipi> if you try, and fail, it'll error out telling you how to force it
[04:44:12] 
[04:44:39] <_mary_kate_> was that a question or are you just cleaning your keyboard?
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[04:45:13] <Usuario_> Im cleaning it
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[04:46:02] <Usuario_> zpool import -o /mnt
[04:46:04] <Usuario_> then?
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[04:46:24] <e^ipi> Usuario_: then see bootadm
[04:47:52] <e^ipi> you'll want to update the archive in your alternate root
[04:48:54] <Usuario_> bootadm update-archive -vn -R /mnt  ---> file not found: /mnt//boot/solaris/bin/create_ramdisk     /mnt/: not a GRUB boot OS instance
[04:49:21] <jeffd_> On my laptop the opensolaris livecd just stops after saying its 3 lines identifying it as sunos...; I am not sure of another way to proceed.
[04:52:57] <Usuario_> ok.. I did it...
[04:53:03] <Usuario_> but a half..
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[04:53:12] <Usuario_> Im now on the bootadm step..
[04:53:27] <Usuario_> I've imported zpool and I have now /rpool
[04:53:30] <Usuario_> so I do..
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[04:54:38] <Usuario_> bootadm update-archive -vn -R /rpool    --> And I have this: failed to open fie: /rpool//platformi86pc/kernel/unix: No such file or directory
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[05:00:19] <Usuario_> e^ipi: what can i do??
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[05:05:36] <Usuario_> e^ipi: are you ther??...
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[05:10:50] <Usuario_> what can i do now??:  my pool imported is on /rpool.. but when I do the bootadm.. I have those outputs
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[05:24:35] <sstallion> jbk: around?
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[05:32:46] <e^ipi> Usuario_: well, clearly you don't have a kernel installed
[05:33:24] * kgoetz waits and hopes for bootup
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[05:37:15] <kgoetz> since i dont see any booting action - what do i need to tell you for you to be able to help debug this? its OpenSolaris (solaris express developer edition), installer ran though ok, but its not booting past the licence terms after rebooting. its spinning the system fans and producing lots of heat, but no disk io that i can see
[05:37:58] <kgoetz> its a 64bit machine (intel, core2duo) with 4gb of ram, the installer installed the 64bit versin of the OS
[05:38:06] <e^ipi> pass -kv to the kernel
[05:38:15] <e^ipi> in grub, just append it to the kernel line
[05:40:39] <jbk> sstallion: for a little bit
[05:41:28] <kgoetz> seems to be stopped. last two lines are 'PCI Express-device: pci1071,9008@1a,1, uhci1' and  'uhci1 is /pci@0,0/pci1071,9008@1a,1
[05:42:49] * kgoetz isnt sure what uhci is though
[05:43:09] <_mary_kate_> usb1 host controller
[05:43:46] <sstallion> jbk: how goes it ?
[05:44:10] <kgoetz> hm. wonder if theres anything i can disable in bios
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[05:46:05] <kgoetz> _mary_kate_: thank you, that may have been the kick i needed (disabled legacy usb in bios, its booting again). lets see if it boots all the way :)
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[05:46:52] <sstallion> oh well... time for bed
[05:46:53] <sstallion> night all
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[05:48:53] <kgoetz> it boots past smf ticking off its services, and spontaniously reboots almost imediately after
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[05:52:06] <kgoetz> wait - it got as far as putting up a login prompt
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[05:52:26] <kgoetz> and working out it didnt have an FQDN, waited a moment and rebooted
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[05:57:12] <e^ipi> yaeh, that might do it then
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[07:07:24] * kgoetz tries to boot again with -kv, and hopes
[07:08:11] <kgoetz> not sure whats happening, seems to be fairly arbitary about when it reboots :(
[07:08:14] <kgoetz> away
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[07:14:03] <kgoetz> i dont think i'm on a winner :(
[07:14:30] <purserj> kgoetz: what have you done now?
[07:15:35] <kgoetz> purserj: failed to make opensolaris (from january) boot. i'm hoping i have a newer cd image i can burn off
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[07:18:31] <purserj> haven't you got 2008.05?
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[07:20:31] <kgoetz> nope, i used the dvd i had to hand - about to try and download $something from opensolaris now
[07:20:46] <purserj> ah
[07:20:56] <purserj> shame you're not closer could have given you a copy
[07:22:55] <kgoetz> i'm at work for another 2 hours, so anything i can download+burn is ok.
[07:23:39] * kgoetz wgets os200805.iso
[07:35:37] <purserj> that's the charlie
[07:40:13] * kgoetz burns cd
[07:40:17] <kgoetz> yay for work connections
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[07:58:58] <kgoetz> looks like no joy :(
[07:59:15] * kgoetz stabs modern unsupported for whatever odd reason hardware
[08:01:24] <kgoetz> i dont knwo whats with this laptop, but opensolaris seems to hate it
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[08:28:03] <codestr0m> kgoetz: have you tried the 2008.05 respin?
[08:28:20] <codestr0m> If you're on a newer dell I'm using that with great success as a starting point
[08:28:28] <kgoetz> codestr0m: respin?
[08:28:31] <codestr0m> I think my specs are maybe similar as well
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[08:29:32] <kgoetz> i have this http://www.genunix2.org/distributions/indiana/os200805.iso - which hasnt succeeded in booting - if it wasnt rebooting i'd at least be able to see an error message
[08:29:52] <codestr0m> kgoetz: http://www.genunix.org/
[08:30:10] <codestr0m> let me see if it's the same link
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[08:31:31] <codestr0m> this is what I used http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-95-global.iso
[08:32:03] <kgoetz> ah, the 08.11 snapshots
[08:32:18] <codestr0m> have you tried it?
[08:32:24] <kgoetz> not yet.
[08:32:30] <codestr0m> it's got a newer kernel
[08:32:33] <kgoetz> but i just got the iso, so i'm willing to giv it a go :)
[08:33:11] <codestr0m> before snv 95 opensolaris was unusable for various driver reasons
[08:34:03] <kgoetz> its an oversized cd - i cant urn the iso
[08:34:23] <kgoetz> my iso doesnt have -global, but even so.
[08:34:40] <codestr0m> right
[08:35:01] <codestr0m> != global == dvd
[08:35:11] <kgoetz> ... i see. :|
[08:35:17] <kgoetz> glad i'm doign all this at work
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[08:37:38] <codestr0m> I'm too lazy to read up.. which brand of laptop + model number
[08:38:46] <kgoetz> Pioneer, DreamBook. its an intel C2D/ati graphics/broadcom (bleh) ethernet/intel sound (iirc) and when it arrives intel wifi
[08:40:40] <codestr0m> sounds evil for drivers, but good luck
[08:40:55] <trochej> Coffee
[08:40:58] <trochej> We need coffee
[08:41:08] <kgoetz> i agree. any luck will be apreciated
[08:41:11] * codestr0m hand trochej a water
[08:41:13] <trochej> pjd: You coming to http://konferencja.opensolaris.com.pl/ ?
[08:41:57] <trochej> codestr0m: Water? Like an animal1
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[08:42:23] <codestr0m> water is good for you :P
[08:42:35] <trochej> It's in my coffee
[08:44:02] <codestr0m> this is like trying to convince me my computer is still usable if I have Windows inside
[08:44:08] <codestr0m> it's not the same :P
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[08:47:03] <trochej> codestr0m: Of course not, coffee is heavenly, while Windows I just don't care about. :)
[08:47:38] <codestr0m> you know why they didn't call it Vistaw ?
[08:48:05] <trochej> No
[08:48:24] <codestr0m> Very Important Software That Actually Works
[08:48:30] <codestr0m> they forgot the Works part :P
[08:49:01] <codestr0m> it was a quiet mockery to the customer base done by clever marketing jerks
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[08:56:55] <pjd> trochej: Where will it be?
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[08:57:13] <pjd> trochej: And when?
[08:57:23] <trochej> pjd: Szczecin, 24/25th October
[08:57:43] <pjd> trochej: Unlikely.
[08:57:50] <trochej> Pity.
[08:57:58] <trochej> But we will live. :)
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[09:04:25] <kgoetz> wonder if i've got the right cd. it still says 2008.05
[09:06:10] <kgoetz> ah, i got a message. looks like / filled up.
[09:06:17] <kgoetz> wth is happening there :(
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[09:07:55] <codestr0m> kgoetz: ? the cd will probably still say 2008.05 since it's a respin with updates and not a real new release
[09:08:24] <trochej> kgoetz: At what stage it says / is full?
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[09:21:27] <kgoetz> trochej: it boots all the way to the opensolaris login: prompt, a few more messages (the 'oh noe, bad hostname' type), then a / full
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[09:23:19] <kgoetz> 'opensolaris console login:'
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[09:24:13] <asyd> \_o<
[09:24:33] <WickedWicky> quack
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[09:26:22] <codestr0m> kgoetz: are you allocating enough space for the install?
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[09:27:04] <kgoetz> codestr0m: with 2008.05 and 2008.11 snapshots the live cds are not booting. i dont get that chance
[09:27:06] <codestr0m> also have you tried to boot into single user mode?
[09:27:12] <kgoetz> 2008.01 i gave the entire hdd
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[09:27:38] <codestr0m> kgoetz: so the livecd is telling you full disk? 1o1
[09:27:57] <kgoetz> codestr0m: exactly. :|
[09:28:24] <codestr0m> 2008.01 would boot, but just not install?
[09:28:24] <kgoetz> i'm trying the text console with 2008.11 atm.
[09:28:40] <kgoetz> 2008.01 would install, no problems, and then fail to boot off hdd
[09:28:40] <codestr0m> good luck.. sorry I can't assist more
[09:29:17] <kgoetz> text console with brings no joy either.
[09:29:23] <kgoetz> ah well, thanks for trying :)
[09:30:46] <codestr0m> there has to be a solution with this.. and at the console.. you're trying to install or repair?
[09:31:03] * kgoetz memtests teh system
[09:31:59] <kgoetz> memtest says its a P3. heh. intel seem to have forgotten to change a tag or two in the cpu
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[09:36:05] <Stric> kgoetz: using uptodate memtest86(+), or a really old one?
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[09:38:16] <kgoetz> Stric: v1.70 which i thought was recent, but checking now it seems its ...not
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[09:42:51] <e^ipi> haha memtest
[09:43:09] <e^ipi> ECC.
[09:43:54] <kgoetz> not ona  laptop :\
[09:44:48] <e^ipi> which is unfortunate
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[09:45:12] <e^ipi> it'd be great if intel and/or amd mandated that all ram connecting to $NEWPROCESSOR had to be ecc
[09:45:23] <e^ipi> force down the prices and up reliability
[09:45:47] <kgoetz> actually, its memtest86+, so its not that out of date (6~ months)
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[09:46:06] <kgoetz> it would be about time. only been waiting a decade :\
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[09:51:24] <kgoetz> woot. the latest memtest86+ gets it right (and hopefully doesnt find anything)
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[09:53:19] <e^ipi> not that finding or not finding anything means anything
[09:53:57] <e^ipi> bits flip from sunspots , flaky ram can act perfectly fine most of the time
[09:54:42] <kgoetz> its a good guide. if it finds bad ram, your usually well on the way to finding a problem
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[09:55:38] <e^ipi> eh, i still don't trust it
[09:57:23] <kgoetz> it hasnt let me down
[09:57:33] <codestr0m> kgoetz: how do you know?
[09:58:29] <kgoetz> codestr0m: the systems worked when we put new ram in
[09:59:00] <trochej> e^ipi: You can get ram through stress test with memtest, most problems with RAM can be found that way.
[09:59:04] <trochej> :)
[09:59:49] <codestr0m> I'm just playing devils advocate
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[10:07:01] <trochej> Coffee
[10:07:05] <trochej> We need more coffee
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[10:43:48] <abhi_> hi, today i have tested the opensolaris 2008.05. i found that driver for my VIA Rhine network card is missing . how can i install the driver for it.
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[10:46:15] <trochej>  http://yogan.meinungsverstaerker.de/fun/Joy_of_Tech_-_How_Geeks_Get_Chicks.gif
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[11:15:22] <e^ipi> whoever is in charge of grails
[11:15:25] <e^ipi> ... sun should buy them
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[11:17:14] <seanmcg> gails.. that ruby groovey thing ?
[11:17:19] <seanmcg> grails even.
[11:17:32] <e^ipi> yeah, it's groovy on grails
[11:17:39] <trygvis> grails is using groovy
[11:17:41] <asyd> groovy <3
[11:17:44] <e^ipi> meant to be like a javoid ruby on rails as far as i can tell
[11:18:08] <e^ipi> ruby is slow as shit and a weird language anyways
[11:18:18] <e^ipi> i'm playing with groovy right now and it's actually not painful
[11:18:22] <e^ipi> it's kinna neat
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[11:18:36] <e^ipi> or i guess rather i'm playing with grails
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[11:19:53] <e^ipi> seems like the sort of thing sun would want to push for /really/ hard
[11:20:27] <e^ipi> because it makes enterprise java easy for people like me that don't care to go through the effort of learning how to properly use enterprise java
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[11:23:46] <major_kusanag1> salut
[11:24:04] <major_kusanag1> j'avais lancer la maj systeme hier soir
[11:24:41] <major_kusanag1> et ce matin je vois que c'est pas fini et bloquer sur uodating SUNWzip
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[11:26:42] <major_kusanag1> j'ai meme gnome qui vien de planter
[11:27:44] <lkthomas> guys
[11:27:58] <lkthomas> how could I know my installer disc is build 95 or build 96 ?
[11:28:14] <major_kusanag1> zut
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[11:28:21] <lkthomas> english ?
[11:28:24] <major_kusanag1> sorry
[11:29:05] <lkthomas> you see no one response to you
[11:29:10] <lkthomas> and you do know this is english channel ?
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[11:29:26] <lkthomas> also
[11:29:34] <lkthomas> I can not turn on gnome network panel
[11:29:44] <lkthomas> it ask me to fill bug report and crashed
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[11:40:13] <lkthomas> anyone still alive ?
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[11:47:10] <ballChalk> yea
[11:47:43] <lkthomas> I don't understand why gnome network config panel will crash
[11:47:48] <lkthomas> when I use ifconfig -a
[11:47:54] <lkthomas> only loopback interface found
[11:47:56] <lkthomas> nothing else
[11:48:13] <lkthomas> I am trying build 96 to see if any improvement could be make
[11:49:06] <cmihai> The card is probably not plumbed up.
[11:49:16] <cmihai> lkthomas:  dladm show-dev && dladm show-link
[11:49:37] <cmihai> svcadm disable nwam
[11:49:48] <cmihai> And ifconfig YOURCARDHERE plumb up
[11:49:51] <cmihai> Then configure it.
[11:50:55] <lkthomas> hang on
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[11:51:03] <lkthomas> reinstalling
[11:51:28] <cmihai> ...
[11:51:46] <cmihai> What card is that?
[11:52:10] <cmihai> Is it supposed to be supported in the first place? (HCL, onnv flag days, google?)
[11:52:31] <cmihai> Either way, if you don't configure it at install or it's a new card it may NOT be plumbed (see ifconfig and dladm manpages).
[11:52:51] <bda> You should be able to open a terminal, or the hardware detection tool, while the installer is running..
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[11:53:50] <cmihai> Not if he's doing it in text mode..
[11:53:55] <cmihai> Or using, ugh, OpenSolaris :-)
[11:54:04] <cmihai> Or does that use Gnome?
[11:54:08] <cmihai> Ah well.
[11:54:43] <bda> OpenSolaris is a LiveCD. The installer is just an application on it. You can do other stuff.
[11:54:55] <cmihai> Yeah, I remembered ;_)
[11:54:58] <bda> And yeah, it only has the GNOME/GUI installer.
[11:55:27] <bda> Is NWAM in SXCE?
[11:55:35] <cmihai> Yeah
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[11:55:51] <bda> The last build I installed was 93... I don't remember having to futz with it.
[11:55:55] <bda> Not enabled by default?
[11:56:07] <cmihai> Don't remember.
[11:56:47] <cmihai> I just usually go "svcadm disable webconsole nwam" by default on all new installs
[11:56:48] <cmihai> heh
[11:57:09] <lkthomas> e1000g
[11:57:13] <bda> Yeah, puppet does that for me.
[11:57:34] <lkthomas> brb, let's wait until install is done
[11:57:39] <lkthomas> thanks all
[11:57:45] <cmihai> e1000g works fine :-)
[11:57:51] <lkthomas> I got no idea
[11:57:53] <bda> e1000g++ really.
[11:57:55] <lkthomas> previous I did testing on it
[11:57:59] <lkthomas> and network works
[11:58:04] <lkthomas> but this time, I don't understand why
[11:58:08] <lkthomas> it wouldn't work
[11:58:17] <cmihai> You didn't plumb the card. It's a Solaris thing.
[11:58:18] <lkthomas> gnome network control panel crash
[11:58:29] <lkthomas> cmihai, why I don't need that before ?!
[11:58:30] <cmihai> "network control panel".. pff
[11:58:41] <lkthomas> is it suppose I need to do that everytime I boot it up ?
[11:58:42] <cmihai> You probably configured it on install, so it was already plumbed.
[11:58:46] <cmihai> lol
[11:58:48] <cmihai> Yeah
[11:58:52] <lkthomas> WTF ?
[11:58:56] <lkthomas> are you kidding ?
[11:58:57] <cmihai> Solaris servers require you to manually network configure the card
[11:58:59] <cmihai> EVER boot
[11:59:02] <lkthomas> ........
[11:59:04] <cmihai> That's why admins never reboot them
[11:59:09] <lkthomas> blah
[11:59:14] <gausus> Information on existing NetBSD ports, bugs, issues. Gay sex double anal... by ustimenko.
[11:59:17] <lkthomas> I copy your command
[11:59:18] <gausus> google :)
[11:59:22] <lkthomas> and test it tomorrow
[11:59:26] <bda> cmihai: hahaha.
[11:59:31] <bda> That isn't very nice. ;)
[11:59:39] <cmihai> heh
[11:59:47] <cmihai> I'm bored, can you blame me? hehe
[12:00:18] <lkthomas> should I svcadm enable nwam after pump up
[12:00:19] <lkthomas> ?
[12:00:29] <trochej> cmihai: Yes, I can.
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[12:00:35] <trochej> :)
[12:00:43] <cmihai> nwam is pure evil
[12:00:50] <lkthomas> I see
[12:00:51] <lkthomas> ok
[12:00:56] <lkthomas> brb, thanks guys
[12:02:33] <cmihai> for dhcp, it's just nodename, hostname.nic and dhcp.nic.
[12:02:52] <cmihai> Touch to files and echo your hostname in one. Hardly complicated stuff.
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[12:07:25] <abhi_> hi, today i have tested the opensolaris 2008.05. i found that driver for my VIA Rhine network card is missing . how can i install the driver for it.
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[12:11:52] <Tpenta> drop it on a usb stick and install it from there
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[12:18:31] <outpunk> hi all
[12:18:53] <outpunk> Have anybody bind config for isolated localnet?
[12:19:13] <abhi_> guys help
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[12:21:50] <timsf> abhi - what's the matter ? Do a google search for "opensolaris via rhine driver" then take it from there.
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[12:39:28] <TomJ> I installed the drivers for an LSI MegaRaid card during boot of Sol 5/08 install, then installed from FLAR.  I have some (possibly unlreated) problem on normal boot,  so I'm trying to get into failsafe boot - but it can't find the OS, and format shows no disks.  So it apepars that failsafe is not using the drivers I installed, but normal boot does seem to see the disks
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[13:23:03] <JWheeler> Sounds like IPS is starting to lag behind ON/SXCR there
[13:23:25] <JWheeler> Contrary to the topic, its 97,97,95 isn't it?
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[13:32:30] <Alexie> does anyone knows how to recover from a fucked up package upgrade on 200807?
[13:32:34] <Alexie> sorry 200805
[13:32:49] <Stric> boot old env?
[13:33:00] <Alexie> nope can't boot
[13:33:20] <Alexie> iwas wondering if it was possible to boot off the 200805 cd and then repair whatever haoppened?
[13:36:57] <Alexie> c'mon someone must know how to do that
[13:37:35] <JWheeler> I've not used the OS distro sorry :(
[13:37:48] <sickness> so you can't boot the old BE? sounds strange...
[13:37:49] <Alexie> but this group is about opensolaris :)
[13:37:50] <Alexie> ?
[13:38:09] <JWheeler> Well, "opensolaris" is a namespace that's unfortunately a little overcrowded
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[13:38:28] <Alexie> oh what is this newsgroup about then?
[13:38:29] <JWheeler> I use nevada/solaris 11/ON, but not the distro known as OpenSolaris
[13:38:34] <Alexie> ah!
[13:38:42] <JWheeler> I guess it's both....
[13:38:44] <Alexie> no wonder
[13:38:50] <JWheeler> personally I just haven't used the new one
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[13:38:53] <sickness> well being it SXCE+LU or 2008.05 you should be able to boot to the previous boot environment, cancel the new one, and redo from scratch the upgrade...
[13:39:05] <Alexie> isn't opensolaris solaris 12?
[13:39:13] <Stric> 11 isn't out yet ;)
[13:39:17] <sickness> Alexie: solaris 11 :P
[13:39:29] <Stric> opensolaris is the open source released parts of solaris
[13:39:41] <Alexie> is solaris 11 freely distributable
[13:39:43] <sickness> there's already enough confusion even if they don't start skipping releases ;P
[13:39:51] <Alexie> i've a nasty feeling that solaris 11 is the correct one to get
[13:40:03] <Alexie> as one of my projects requires testing on solaris 11 on sparc/x86
[13:40:09] <Stric> solaris 11 isn't out yet, but solaris 10 is free (not freely distributable though)
[13:40:16] <cmihai> There is no Solaris 11.
[13:40:29] <sickness> you can use SXCE and it's exactly like solaris11 will be when it comes out ;)
[13:40:31] <Alexie> ok sorry for the confusion
[13:40:49] <sickness> (at least if they don't ditch all the legacy for indiana *cough*)
[13:41:02] <Alexie> thanks
[13:41:10] <sickness> yw
[13:41:28] <JWheeler> Alexie, it's very confusing... I think pretty much everyone has complained to SUN about it
[13:41:48] <Stric> Alexie: http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/ .. where opensolaris 2008.05 is an opensolaris based distribution from sun
[13:42:15] <Alexie> the image package manager on opensolaris has some very silly bugs
[13:42:42] <cmihai> Oh, yeah, let's write our own apt-get packet mangler clone in Python!
[13:43:09] <cmihai> Then remove everything legacy from Solaris and make lots of money!
[13:44:00] <Cyrille> I think you're supposed to rewrite stuff in ruby these days. Or something.
[13:44:35] <cmihai> Nah, IPS is Python.
[13:44:44] <cmihai> But, yeah, Ruby is the NEW Python
[13:45:06] <cmihai> And Python is the NEW C
[13:45:11] <cmihai> (See spirt of the C)
[13:45:19] <Gekz> lolol
[13:45:20] <cmihai>         i
[13:45:29] <cypromis> now I want to see drivers written in ruby
[13:45:37] <Gekz> no
[13:45:40] <cmihai> Easy
[13:45:41] <Gekz> in lolcode
[13:45:42] <Alexie> ugh, they used python? no wonder its so fucking slow
[13:45:43] <cmihai> JRuby
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[13:45:46] <cmihai> Then drivers in Java
[13:45:49] <cypromis> rotfl
[13:45:55] <Stric> cmihai: which already exists ;)
[13:45:56] <cmihai> Sun had a whitepaper and proof of concept code for drivers in Java
[13:46:02] <Stric> right
[13:46:08] <cmihai> And they have JRuby support too... piece of cake :D
[13:46:13] <Alexie> thanks anyway I'm downloading the correct distro - at 3,500 kbps
[13:46:15] <evocallaghan> Hey, /topic needs update to SXCE 97. Thanks
[13:46:54] <Gekz> lets write a driver in Logo!
[13:47:00] <Gekz> make that turtle draw bitches.
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[13:47:48] <evocallaghan> Gekz:Rad, GPL it and get it into kernel.org ;)
[13:48:03] <Gekz> Get back into your cage!
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[13:52:44] <codestr0m> ok. stupid question.. I'm on  2008.* using snv_95.. I've refreshed.. I'd like to test a newer kernel.. is it supposed to be available with image-update?
[13:52:52] <evocallaghan> Gekz:hehe
[13:53:04] <Stric> codestr0m: topic says ips is still at 95
[13:53:20] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Yes, but its not out yet for some reason ?
[13:53:42] <Stric> codestr0m: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-September/008575.html
[13:53:57] <Stric> and http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-September/008597.html
[13:54:00] <codestr0m> (can gcc produce a bootable/stable kernel?)
[13:54:16] <gausus> hmmm
[13:54:29] <gausus> is there a way to add a Terminus.ttf font to gnome-terminal in 2008.05
[13:54:43] <Stric> put it in ~/.fonts/
[13:54:52] <gausus> so i did
[13:54:53] <Stric> then just change in settings
[13:55:01] <codestr0m> Stric: thanks
[13:55:05] <codestr0m> is whacked your blog?
[13:55:06] <Stric> maybe run fc-cache first if it fails to do that by itself
[13:55:14] <Alexie> these people at sun must be seriously deranged if they think drivers in java is a good idea
[13:55:17] <Stric> codestr0m: no
[13:55:27] <codestr0m> Alexie: I'm sure it was a joke or just poc
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[13:55:58] <Alexie> okay thanks
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[14:01:08] <codestr0m> anyone know if the latest songbird beta will build (or even better a binary) floating around? I can only find v0.5
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[14:14:18] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:you can use the latest version..
[14:16:03] <Oktane> can i restore zfs properties back to default values somehow? even if i set a specific property back to the default value, source says "local" instead of "default"
[14:16:45] <Stric> inherit perhaps?
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[14:18:49] <Oktane> Stric: thanks, zfs inherit did the trick and it's back to "default"
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[14:35:31] <robert_milkowski> hi
[14:35:39] <robert_milkowski> hi
[14:35:53] <robert_milkowski> how can I call a kernel function from within mdb -kw?
[14:36:10] <robert_milkowski> something like: mdb -kw ... arc_flush::call
[14:36:49] <evocallaghan> echo "arc_flush::call" | mdb -kw ????
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[14:38:27] <robert_milkowski> there is no ::call
[14:38:41] <robert_milkowski> so I'm looking for an equivalent of ::call
[14:40:20] <trygvis> is that even possible? calling functions on a running kernel?
[14:40:48] <robert_milkowski> iirc yes
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[15:11:35] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: http://unix.compufutura.com/upt/ch30_14.htm magic-space + a few other things are sweet (maybe I've been missing a similar feature in bash) also maybe check out bindkey "^r" i-search-back or bindkey "^r" vi-search-back
[15:12:59] <codestr0m> and stupid 3rd level selectors make it really difficult to do some other interesting features..
[15:13:09] <milek> ok, I can doit from kmdb with func::call and not from mdb
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[15:16:54] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: hey man! thanks for the link
[15:17:46] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: the part which you may care about is really short, but interesting (at least I thought so)
[15:18:40] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: by the way. do you still have a copy of my tcshrc?
[15:19:11] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: yes?
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[15:19:27] <xRaich[o]2x> cool could you send it to me. mine got... *cough* lost
[15:19:33] <codestr0m> hahahhaha
[15:19:52] * codestr0m restore command not found
[15:20:05] <codestr0m> yeah. give me a minute and I'll pastie it
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[15:20:31] <xRaich[o]2x> still, i think i won't become friends with the tcsh that much ^^
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[15:22:32] <codestr0m> http://codepad.org/UCYwxN03
[15:22:46] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: you prefer zsh still?
[15:23:18] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: not really.... i found a nasty bug in it... again -_-
[15:23:30] <codestr0m> zsh or tcsh?
[15:23:35] <xRaich[o]2x> zsh
[15:23:42] <codestr0m> bash?
[15:23:53] <xRaich[o]2x> naaa....
[15:24:18] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd like to have something that really can deal with ksh stuff
[15:24:38] <seanmcg> ksh93
[15:24:54] <xRaich[o]2x> and i'm not too sure if bash can do that. since the gnu people don't really seem to care about standards
[15:25:09] <xRaich[o]2x> seanmcg: + programmable completion ^^
[15:25:23] <oxygene> they care about standards.. "oh there's a standard - quick, look for another way!"
[15:25:37] <xRaich[o]2x> oxygene: yep
[15:26:57] <xRaich[o]2x> .oO(the fun of compiling stuff that is build with gnu...) please install gmake gm4 gcc gfuckineverything
[15:27:06] <xRaich[o]2x> gawk not to forget
[15:27:09] <oxygene> gsed
[15:27:13] <gausus> re
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[15:27:26] <gausus> does anyone know how to disable font aliasing in gnome-terminal?
[15:29:01] <cmihai> Type "xterm"
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[15:30:13] <gausus> cmihai: i know xterm
[15:30:19] <reflect> gausus, guessing that's done system-wide if you run gnome itself
[15:30:21] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: the zsh bug i found yesterday is pretty ugly. zsh allocates a segment of anon memory every time it tries to complete something. and it doesn't free an of it.
[15:30:27] <gausus> still it takes 20 secodns for it to start
[15:30:49] <gausus> cmihai: and for some unknown reason systems run very slow while xterm starts
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[15:31:01] <gausus> reflect: the problem is - i want to use terminus font under gnome-terminal
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[15:31:14] <gausus> reflect: and terminus looks ugly while beeing antialiased
[15:31:37] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x: I would not mine fixing some of them zsh bugs
[15:31:38] <codestr0m> gausus: reflect is correct to the best of my knowledge
[15:31:59] <reflect> gausus, well, I can't find anything in gnome-terminal itself..  I guess google to the rescue now
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[15:32:37] <xRaich[o]2x> evocallaghan: i still have to find out where this shit happens. maybe i can get a hold of it
[15:33:06] <codestr0m> reflect: system > preferences > fonts tab
[15:33:23] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x: Ah well you know where I am :p
[15:34:12] <gausus> reflect: you were my last chance :)
[15:34:29] <gausus> codestr0m: there is a way of global disabling aliasing
[15:34:34] <gausus> but i need it only for gnome-terminal
[15:34:49] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: thanks for the rc ;)
[15:35:29] <codestr0m> if I'm porting sw to 2008.* and have questions I assume sw-porters-discuss is the best list right? (there's no description for it)
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[15:37:02] <xRaich[o]2x> evocallaghan: oh please hold my hand while i'm debugging since it scares the sh*t out of me :D
[15:37:37] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x: I was about to ask you the same thing :p
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[15:38:07] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr
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[15:42:39] <Danborg> anyone working on porting the Google Chrome browser to OpenSolaris?
[15:43:51] <cmihai> Hell no :-)
[15:43:59] <cmihai> It's broken by default, heh
[15:44:07] <anilg> the linux version hasnt been released yet
[15:44:20] <cmihai> It builds :-)
[15:44:24] <cmihai> Does nothing, but builds!
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[15:46:21] <evocallaghan> I already filed a bug for it early today http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=588
[15:50:09] <tomww> +1
[15:53:33] <TomJ> cmihai: it installs the secret Google spying software into all corners of your PC,that's the most important bit.  the browser they'll get working later.
[15:54:09] <norman> http://www.dennis-kempin.de/various/google-chrome-privacy/
[15:54:48] <anilg> TomJ: It wont be logn before someone forks it and prepares a non-spying version.. without all the fancy google server lookups for search suggestions and antiphishing/malware
[15:55:04] <anilg> s/logn/long
[15:55:34] <cmihai> Let google index all your data!
[15:55:38] <cmihai> Let gator rember all your passwords!
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[15:56:59] <tomww> in the past there have been CEOs ranting against such practise.
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[16:02:15] <tomww> evocallaghan: I clicked the little star left of the bug number and now we have *2* ppl starring at this bug.
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[16:31:39] <luisbg_> I want to become a ON contributor... what is the process to be one and then to contribute?
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[16:34:15] <oxygene> luisbg_: get the code, work on it, submit patches
[16:34:35] <luisbg_> how would I submit those patches?
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[16:35:21] <seanmcg>  luisbg_ start here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation
[16:35:57] <seanmcg> then read under: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on
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[16:38:36] <luisbg_> seanmcg, thanks a million!
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[16:49:17] <luisbg_> seanmcg, the need for a sponsor at the beginning is because I wont have SVN access or to have a mentor?
[16:49:32] <seanmcg> bit of both..
[16:50:01] <seanmcg> the sponsor can help you through the coding, code reviews, testing etc
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[16:51:20] <luisbg_> seanmcg, OK
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[16:51:50] <mamercad> hello, trying to configure bitlbee and getting: Cannot find glib2 development libraries, aborting. (Install libglib2-dev?)
[16:51:53] <luisbg_> seanmcg, I have the Solaris 10 Internals book
[16:52:02] <luisbg_> seanmcg, better to read that than to start looking at bugs, right?
[16:52:03] <mamercad> can't seem to find a package that'll do it
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[17:04:07] <tomww> mamercad: I have a experimental build spec file for bitlbee
[17:04:33] <tomww> it's designed for use with the pkgbuil / CBE tools
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[17:07:03] <mamercad> tomww: new to opensolaris, so i'm not sure what that means :)
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[17:07:48] <seanmcg> luisbg_, nothing stopping you doing both at once :)
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[17:07:59] <luisbg_> seanmcg, LOL, true
[17:08:01] <luisbg_> have you read it?
[17:08:34] <seanmcg> I use it, that and the other book too.
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[17:24:07] <tomww> mamercad: some ppl on OpenSolaris use the same build-environment as the team building the gnome binaries on Solaris.
[17:24:40] <tomww> mamercad: you can read about this on some blogs / opensolaris software porters / http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net
[17:25:42] <tomww> the advantage is, that for many sofwares there are ready to use build recipes available - hiding the solaris specifics if they are there
[17:26:47] <tomww> just google for spec-files-extra
[17:28:39] <mamercad> thanks
[17:29:19] <mamercad> so, where could i grab your .spec file from?
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[18:05:28] <Fullmoon> SMF question: "if the service is restarting  more than once a second, svc.startd places the ser vice in the maintenance state" - is that "once a second" in any way configurable?
[18:05:33] <evocallaghan> Someone give me operator status so I can update the /topic please
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[18:05:51] <evocallaghan> Fullmoon:Yes
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[18:06:17] <evocallaghan> Fullmoon:svccfg
[18:06:37] <Fullmoon> evocallaghan: No way to set it up in the manifest?
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[18:07:40] <evocallaghan> Fullmoon: *shrugs* I'm no SMF expert sorry
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[18:11:48] <ballChalk> anyone use compression no their swap zfsd evice?
[18:13:23] <ballChalk> compression on their zfs swap device
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[19:09:35] <TomJ> ballChalk: doesn't sound like a great idea to me
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[19:13:00] <oxygene> TomJ: if the disk is slow (and all disks are), and the compression algo is fast (and some of them are) and properly written (careful memory management), it should be no problem, while speeding up swap access
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[19:20:30] <tomww> ...andy if the bottleneck isn't on the CPU side
[19:20:36] <bda> Heh.
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[19:30:04] <sstallion_work> its days like today that make me love sun support
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[19:31:05] <bda> stevel: ?
[19:31:06] <bda> er
[19:31:08] <bda> sstallion_work: ?
[19:31:33] <sstallion_work> had a keyboard go out on my workstation (and the front i/o panel). less than 24 hrs later, replacements are delivered
[19:31:56] <sstallion_work> none of this was on our support contract; just on the 1 yr warantee with the workstation
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[19:32:37] <TomJ> Oh, and we all thought you were being sarcastic
[19:32:38] <TomJ> well, I did
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[19:33:01] <sstallion_work> Dunno, the few times I've had to deal with support werent that bad
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[19:33:19] <sstallion_work> but those were all centered on hardware failure
[19:34:19] <bda> sstallion_work: Yeah, anytime I have a hardware problem, I have been really happy with the response.
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[19:54:25] <gissi> Hello everybody. I searched over the documentation, the LiveCD and Google but found nothing: Is it possible to install Opensolaris (from the 2008.05 LiveCD) without X,Gnome, etc? Something like a "barebone" OpenSolaris?
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[19:57:19] <Aria> You can remove them after install.
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[19:58:25] <Stric> .. but the current upgrade method will put them all back
[19:59:27] <_setuid_H> what can cause that i lost my wireless connection in 10 minutes. I use physical:default and dhcp
[19:59:38] <gissi> Aria, Stric: Sounds like a lot of fun... Ok, disk space is no problem with Virtual Machines so let's try another approach... How do I disable the GDM so I get a text console? :)
[19:59:58] <Aria> svcadm disable gdm-login, I believe.
[20:00:23] <gissi> Aria: svcadm still amazes me, thanks... I will give it a try
[20:00:23] <_setuid_H> just svcadm disable gdm
[20:00:35] <gissi> _setuid_H: Thanks!
[20:00:38] <_setuid_H> there is cde-login and gdm not the gdm-login
[20:00:44] <_setuid_H> gissi: no problem
[20:01:21] <Aria> Ah, thanks. I mixed that up once before.
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[20:03:22] <gissi> Aria: I'm reinstalling OS now, I will try the svcadm you and _setuid_H provided. Thanks again for the help.
[20:06:31] <ahe> hi! has anyone an idea why prtconf on my opensolaris intel box at work shows only 4027 MB of ram although 4 GB are installed? I'm a bit confused because i've already seen a prtconf output that reported 4096 MB on some website
[20:07:12] <holcomb> it's some stupid memory hole
[20:07:17] <holcomb> thank your bios
[20:08:00] <ahe> so cheap pc hardware is the reason? i almost expected something like that
[20:08:02] <holcomb> mine is 4032 on a dual opteron
[20:08:05] <jafari> hello all, when installing solaris in text mode, usually you see a spining forwardslash
[20:08:11] <jafari> what is that function called
[20:08:16] <holcomb> dial
[20:08:28] <Auralis_> dial, its a tiny little program on the install media
[20:08:42] <jafari> is that answer for me
[20:09:03] <jafari> ?
[20:09:29] <Auralis_> no, for the guy that asked what to do with a telephon number, yes for you.
[20:09:40] <jafari> lol
[20:09:49] <jafari> thanks alot
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[20:14:14] <jafari> is there a link on it
[20:14:19] <jafari> dial
[20:14:35] <jafari> i need a reference trying to dodument somethings
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[20:16:19] <Arkyn> I need some help with pkg, can I ask some questions here?
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[20:17:39] <jafari> anyone
[20:17:42] <jafari> link please
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[20:19:34] <xRaich[o]2x> jafari: dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/ggdcd.html
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[20:23:35] <Arkyn> I am using ips and I am at version snv94, if I do pkg verify I get lots of errors. Is there a way to "fix" the image so its complete, it seems like theres a lot of files missing
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[20:34:24] <jafari> xRaich[o]2x, that link doesnt discuss anything aout the dial
[20:34:40] <jafari> unless i am over seeing
[20:35:06] <xRaich[o]2x> arg sorry that link wasn't ment for you
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[21:30:38] <_william_> hi all
[21:30:43] <_setuid_H> hi
[21:31:18] <[^OsAmA^]> hi
[21:31:18] <[^OsAmA^]> :P
[21:31:23] <_setuid_H> :-D
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[21:31:54] <_setuid_H> I'm glad that solaris is closer to linux
[21:32:07] <_setuid_H> the build 96 is buggy like mandriva cooker :-D
[21:32:18] <oxygene> heh
[21:32:18] <_setuid_H> not the kernel but the userland
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[21:32:27] <_setuid_H> gnome &etc
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[21:33:00] <_setuid_H> damn I love solaris because it's different why does sun make steps to get closer linux
[21:33:19] <oxygene> _setuid_H: because _you_ already use it, but the linux fanboys don't
[21:33:34] <oxygene> _setuid_H: so they probably assume that you will stick with them, while they try to get the others in, too
[21:34:11] <_setuid_H> I have a better idea
[21:35:20] <_setuid_H> use linux-like packaging system e.g. urpmi and create an ubuntu equal repository and people will stop use linux
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[21:36:01] <_setuid_H> the users are lazy. So the number of packages is primary
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[21:36:22] <_setuid_H> oxygen: or am I wrong?
[21:36:27] <sickness> ok so if we should talk linux, urpmi sux, gentoo's portage (when it was mantained, not in the abandoned stage it is now) was fairly superior... just my 2c
[21:36:30] <oxygene> _setuid_H: like nexenta?
[21:36:48] <e^ipi> sickness: it was so awesome that you couldn't remove software
[21:36:52] <_setuid_H> oxygene: nexenta has poor repository
[21:37:06] <e^ipi> sickness: and when it broke things because of a minor library change... that was pretty sweet too
[21:37:16] <[^OsAmA^]> que  es mejor opensolaris o sun solaris 10 ?
[21:37:17] <oxygene> _setuid_H: in theory, they can just run a rebuild on the whole debian and ubuntu repositories, and see what happens
[21:37:38] <_setuid_H> oxygene: find people who will share the idea :-D
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[21:38:38] <oxygene> *shrug* I built my own package repository, pkg tools based, which has 200-300 packages, with maybe 10 by outside contributors...
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[21:39:30] <sickness> e^ipi: it was still really more flexible than rpm
[21:39:45] <_setuid_H> oxyene: really?
[21:40:02] <_setuid_H> s/oxyene/oxygene
[21:41:38] <sickness> oxygene: omg, you growth to such size? =)
[21:41:57] <_setuid_H> oxygene: ips repository ?
[21:42:41] <Aria> [^OsAmA^], They're different. OpenSolaris is a smaller, gnu-styled distro with IPS; Solaris 10 is for mission-critical, supportable systems.
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[21:44:09] <[^OsAmA^]> ok Aria
[21:44:13] <oxygene> sickness: not hard to do, if most packages require just 5-10 lines of configuration ;)
[21:44:33] <oxygene> sickness: it's harder to keep it up to date (which I didn't for nearly two years since I moved away from solaris to wait for the fallout from indiana)
[21:44:39] <sickness> well I don't know the list of the packages
[21:44:40] <sickness> heh
[21:44:53] <sickness> but they still don't provide mplayer on IPS :/
[21:44:58] <oxygene> ugh
[21:45:02] <oxygene> pmpkg does
[21:45:07] <sickness> (and a lot of other "can't miss" packages =)
[21:45:15] <sickness> heh
[21:45:18] <oxygene> and also, because my poor epia server couldn't handle solaris
[21:45:29] <e^ipi> Gman is working on bringing the SFE stuff in to some "probably will break your system" repository
[21:45:37] <e^ipi> it's got mplayer and what have you
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[21:46:12] <sickness> gotta go
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[21:49:42] <oxygene> 281 packages, with an average of 6.8 lines of config per package, and an average of 129 lines of stuff (config, patches, postinst scripts, ...) per package
[21:49:49] <oxygene> so, really not much work
[21:52:57] <oxygene> _setuid_H: pkg* tools - the stuff that solaris has for ages
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[21:55:30] <_setuid_H> oxygene: you mean a spec files?
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[21:57:14] <oxygene> _setuid_H: my equivalent to spec files
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[22:14:52] <codestr0m> uname -sr == SunOS 5.11.. at which version can I safely assume in my scripts someone is effectively using SXCE or Opensolaris?
[22:16:34] <tomj_> 5.11
[22:16:39] <tomj_> for now at least
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[22:16:52] <TomJ> obviously when Solaris 11 comes out (or whatever they call it), that will no longer apply :)
[22:17:21] <codestr0m> dandy :P
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[22:48:38] <SYS64738> what's the moab microcode ?
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[22:53:40] <sah-work_> anyone an awk guru?
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[22:56:53] <TomJ> sah-work_: what is the question?
[22:56:55] <sah-work_> is there away to tell awk to print everything after ... so awk '/term1/ {print $3, $4}' but i want the next item after 4 to print to the end of the line as its length is variable
[22:57:34] <sah-work_> i want to cut the 1st 3 columns and print the 4,5,6 and then everything after that
[22:57:55] <timsf> yeah, a while i < $NF print $i ; i ++
[22:58:01] <timsf> or something like that.
[22:58:45] <codestr0m> sah-work_: I know what you're wanting to do, but escapes me atm.. may also ask in #bash
[22:58:55] <TomJ> or #awk
[22:58:58] <sah-work_> good idea
[22:59:01] <codestr0m> even better
[22:59:11] <_mary_kate_> don't ask bash people about awk, you'll get an answer that only works in gawk ;)
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[23:00:05] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: actually the regulars are mostly non-Linux, GNU-disliking folk
[23:00:26] <TomJ> sah-work_: another way I think is just to unset $1, $2, $3 then print the whole line. but I dont immediately know how to do that
[23:00:38] <sah-work_> hum i will have a look at hat
[23:00:40] <sah-work_> that
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[23:03:04] <sah-work_> the basic issue is i have the output of a report that has 8 columns and i want to remove lines that have X term, cut the 1st 3 columns of every line and output the rest
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[23:04:31] <TomJ> grep -v xterm | cut -d' ' -f4-
[23:04:42] <TomJ> unless there's additonal requierments that require awk
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[23:05:47] <sah-work_> no hum. that would be simpler
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[23:06:45] <TomJ> although cut will only work if the delimiter is a single whitespace
[23:06:54] <TomJ> awk splits on any whitespace including tabs and multiples in a row
[23:06:56] <sah-work_> okay now i remeber - i need to keep column 1 and cut 2,3,4 and then keep the rest
[23:07:00] <sah-work_> that is why i looked at awk
[23:07:09] <TomJ> still works with cut if the delimiter is ok
[23:07:14] <TomJ> cut -d' ' -f1,5-
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[23:07:48] <sah-work_> hum, okay. reading.
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[23:09:17] <sah-work_> no. will not work
[23:11:16] <sah-work_> output of the file i want to chew on it something like this:
[23:11:17] <sah-work_>  1937 bob 	????       None subsection1 this is an issue
[23:11:17] <sah-work_>   176 smith     25.0       None subsection2 this is more issues crap
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[23:11:33] <sah-work_> i want to drop bob ???? None
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[23:11:41] <sah-work_> or smith 25.0 None
[23:12:00] <sah-work_> and print the # subsection and issue
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[23:13:02] <TomJ> awk '{ $2=$3=$4="" ; print $0 }'
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[23:13:09] <TomJ> but it prints a space in place of those three columns
[23:13:11] <TomJ> not sure how to stop that
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[23:14:16] <TomJ> brb
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[23:14:36] <sah-work_> hum.
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[23:31:44] <_mary_kate_> has anyone observed ipv6 reverse dns working in solaris traceroute?
[23:32:08] <insomnia> show us photos of you getting it on with your hawt sister
[23:32:12] <insomnia> then maybe we'll talk
[23:32:21] <insomnia> otherwise, RTFM.
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[23:47:29] <xRaich[o]2x> is there something like atoi for dtrace scripts? i want to cast an argument from string to int. something like atoi($$1)
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