[00:00:10] <anthrax> interface name ??
[00:00:22] <e^ipi> yeah, mine's nge0
[00:00:41] <e^ipi> yours might be eri0 or rge0 or e1000g0 or something
[00:00:46] <e^ipi> ifconfig -a will tell you
[00:00:57] <anthrax> e1000g0
[00:01:33] <e^ipi> touch /etc/dhcp.e1000g0 && mv /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf && shutdown -i6 -g0 -y
[00:01:46] <e^ipi> see if that clears it up
[00:02:11] <reflect> skip the nsswitch stuff, you've already done that, anthrax
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[00:02:38] <e^ipi> didn't catch that
[00:02:51] <reflect> I think we need to back up here
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[00:03:01] <reflect> anthrax, you have no dhcp server?
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[00:03:17] <reflect> or do you want to start using dhcp?
[00:03:36] <anthrax> i dont have a dhcp server
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[00:03:45] <e^ipi> i thought he said he was running it in vbox
[00:03:49] <anthrax> all i got is this pc and router
[00:03:58] <e^ipi> and the router is usually a dhcp server
[00:04:03] <anthrax> yes i am
[00:04:06] <reflect> then you need to phrase your question according to your needs/wants
[00:04:18] <e^ipi> anthrax: vbox has a dhcp server integrated
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[00:04:38] <e^ipi> so you will need to enable dhcp
[00:04:40] <anthrax> sorry, never knew
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[00:05:00] <anthrax> with the long command u gave??
[00:05:09] <TomJ> he's tried the /etc/dhcp.e1000g0 alreadyt and it says failed to initialise ipv4 during boot
[00:05:18] <TomJ> he's also done the nsswitch.dns copy
[00:05:20] <e^ipi> it was actually 3 commands
[00:05:30] <TomJ> dhcp comes up fine if he does ifconfig e1000g0 auto-dhcp, but it doesnt come up on boot
[00:05:31] <e^ipi> && strings commands together
[00:05:33] <TomJ> i've had the same issue in VMs
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[00:05:46] <e^ipi> if the first one exits with SUCCESS, it does the second
[00:06:06] <e^ipi> contrast with || which runs the second command regardless of exit status
[00:06:21] <TomJ> || runs it if the preceding commands fails.  ; (or newline) is regardless
[00:06:52] <e^ipi> sorry, you're correct
[00:07:17] <_mary_kate_> and ||&& runs it if the previous command succeeds or fails, but doesn't run it if it has a quantum exit status
[00:08:15] <reflect> quantum exit status?
[00:08:21] <reflect> please, elaborate?
[00:09:11] <bda> It has to do with some rather unfortunate events and a cat.
[00:09:12] <TomJ> the unobserved quantum command has neither succeeded nor failed
[00:09:14] <bda> We don't like to talk about it.
[00:09:19] <e^ipi> poor kitty...
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[00:11:41] <anthrax> after running that long command it restarts automaticaly
[00:11:52] <TomJ> yes the last part of the command told it to do so
[00:11:54] <e^ipi> three commansd.
[00:11:56] <e^ipi> *commands
[00:12:00] <e^ipi> the last one is to reboot
[00:12:06] <TomJ> it's not going to work though, we did this before
[00:12:11] <TomJ> i am not sure why dhcp.e1000g0 is not working
[00:12:52] <e^ipi> let me be perfectly honest here... vbox + networking is a total crapshoot
[00:12:58] <anthrax> can't i undo that setting to use DHCP?
[00:13:02] <e^ipi> the networking in that thing is absolutely terrible.
[00:13:04] <TomJ> e^ipi: same thing happens in vmware though
[00:13:07] <TomJ> I think it's a Solaris bug
[00:13:17] <TomJ> running ifconfig e1000g0 auto-dhcp works fine, it just wont do it on boot
[00:13:18] <anthrax> or have we already did that?
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[00:13:29] <TomJ> anthrax: you need DHCP in order for the Virtualbox NAT to work
[00:13:38] <TomJ> we tried giving a static IP but virtualbox is changing its IP range
[00:13:49] <TomJ> and yeah it woudl be much easier in vmware
[00:14:28] <anthrax> do you recomend vmware than virtual box?
[00:14:34] <TomJ> yes
[00:14:38] <TomJ> as long as you're on a windows or linux host
[00:15:10] <TomJ> if you use vmware server, make sure you use version 2 - it's possibly still in beta / Release Canddiate
[00:15:18] <TomJ> version 1 has poor Solaris support
[00:15:34] <anthrax> thanks
[00:15:50] <TomJ> incidentally you will still have this DHCP problem in vmware
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[00:16:24] <TomJ> but in vmware it's easyt to configure a Bridged network instead of NAT - meaning your VM will appear on your LAN and can communicate direct to your router or whatever you have to connect to the net, like your host does
[00:17:02] <TomJ> in the meantime in your virtualbox VM you can just do: ifconfig e1000g0 auto-dhcp   after each boot
[00:17:45] <anthrax> I'll find vmware server 2 and try
[00:19:11] <anthrax> thanx guys
[00:19:15] <TomJ> np
[00:19:21] <reflect> btw, since the command you pasted earlied was "mv nsswitch.dns" which means you've now lost that file, you may want to restore it..  "cd /etc ; cp nsswitch.conf nsswitch.dns"
[00:20:07] <anthrax> whats that again?
[00:20:18] <reflect> will you keep this image?
[00:21:09] <reflect> if yes, follow my instructions.. it will restore a file that you just lost
[00:22:00] <anthrax> ok
[00:22:07] <anthrax> i will
[00:22:51] <anthrax> could you please give me the instructions
[00:23:09] <reflect> cd /etc ; cp nsswitch.conf nsswitch.dns
[00:23:51] <anthrax> ok
[00:26:00] <anthrax> it returns nothing, is that all?
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[00:26:47] <reflect> that's all
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[00:27:51] <anthrax> now netstat -rn shows only 127.0.0.1
[00:28:19] <anthrax> my IP is 192.168.1.150 and router is 192.168.1.1
[00:29:45] <reflect> I think you need a pastebin soon, as I don't think you're explaining yourself so well :)
[00:30:32] <reflect> if netstat -rn only shows 127.0.0.1, how do  you know your router is 192.168.1.1?
[00:31:08] <reflect> we're still talking default router, are we not?
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[00:34:21] <hardy> Hi, it's my first time to configure nis, so I finished the server and it seems ok and I shifted to the client, ypinit -c, the ypcat hosts came with "RPC failure on yp operation" and the log file has "yp_all - transport level create failure for domain mydomain / map hosts.byname: RPC: Program not registered"
[00:44:14] <phalenor> uh, portmap?
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[00:47:29] <chrisr> whats the quickest way to install apache with opensolaris?
[00:47:39] <chrisr> can you do it in one go with packages?
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[00:52:30] <jamesd_> chrisr, solaris 10 and SXCE come with apache, not sure if opensolaris does or not.. if you wish to use in production check out cooltools.  it includes  apache+mysql+php and more.
[00:54:34] <chrisr> thanks anyhow, but i've found out from here http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/OSDEV/gentextid-207.html how to do it easily with packages
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[00:58:25] <hardy> phalenor: what can I check with portmap?
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[01:27:53] <ajmcello> i added an entry to /etc/dfs/dfstab and ran shareall..rebooted, and now the system won't boot. it wants me to enter a password for mainteance mode, but can't mount any of my root shares.
[01:27:57] <ajmcello> any idea what i did wrong?
[01:28:21] <ajmcello> i can still mount them from the boot cd, though.
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[01:41:05] <netdaemon> has anyone else had issues updating opensolaris? after i update via pkg image-update, when i reboot and choose the opensolaris-1 option in grub, it instantly reboots
[01:41:23] <netdaemon> even after performing the steps in release notes
[01:45:43] <Tpenta> were you upgrading from 2008.05, or something post build 93 ?
[01:45:54] <Tpenta> I've just been writing up a TOI for our support folks on this
[01:46:06] <netdaemon> upgrading from 2008.05
[01:46:19] <Tpenta> did you do the grub propogate step? grub has been updated
[01:46:41] <Tpenta> pfexec /mnt/boot/solaris/bin/update_grub -R /mnt
[01:46:46] <Tpenta> given your new OS is at /mnt
[01:46:47] <netdaemon> ah, may not have
[01:46:51] <netdaemon> no, didn't do that
[01:46:59] <netdaemon> i shall try, and come back later with results =)
[01:47:03] <Tpenta> good luck
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[02:21:09] <wng-> Is there a reason it's telling me my password is wrong, i've tried installing from 2008.05 live cd three times, and each time after i boot the password isn't what i set it to
[02:21:39] <bda> Does your password have a v in it?
[02:21:41] <e^ipi> does your password have a 'v' in it?
[02:21:44] <wng-> nope
[02:21:52] <bda> e^ipi: ha.
[02:21:57] <Gman> i think that bug was fixed for 2008.05
[02:22:04] <Gman> that was developer preview i thought
[02:22:15] <e^ipi> yeah, i thought so too but it's possible
[02:22:26] <bda> Couldn't remember if it got fixed in the release.
[02:22:28] <wng-> i think the root password is set fine, but it won't let me login to gnome with it
[02:22:29] <netdaemon> i really have to get more bandwidth...
[02:22:40] <wng-> how can I boot into text mode so i can login as root and add a user?
[02:22:41] <Gman> wng-: root is a role, and you can't log in as a role
[02:22:52] <Gman> wng-: so you have to log in as a normal user, and assume the root role
[02:22:56] <wng-> hrm :x
[02:23:11] <Gman> you can change it back to a user easily enough
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[02:23:42] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/opensolaris_2008_05_root_user
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[02:37:51] <Tpenta> good morning glynn
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[02:46:49] <wng-> So anyone have any ideas to recover a password if i can't seem to get it set correctly via the install cd, theres no single user mode to change it in like in linux?
[02:47:20] <bda> Sure there is.
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[02:47:40] <bda> From the grub menu, hit 'e' to edit, then add -s to the end of the kernel line.
[02:47:48] <bda> That'll boot you into single user mode.
[02:47:51] <wng-> ah, had tried 1
[02:47:56] <bda> 1?
[02:48:06] <wng-> 1 works in linux
[02:48:34] <wng-> and will i be able to either change the password of a user or create a new user?
[02:49:24] <bda> You'll need to mount the volume, then you can get at the password file, yeah.
[02:49:45] <bda> I haven't booted an OpenSolaris install in single user, so I'm not sure how it'll act. In Solaris proper, it mounts your active boot environment to /a.
[02:49:45] <phalenor> won't it prompt for the root password though?
[02:49:56] <bda> That would be funny.
[02:50:33] <bda> Well, another way would just be to boot the LiveCD, open a terminal, "zpool import", import your root zpool, mount / somewhere, and...
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[02:51:53] <wng-> weird, it asked for root password
[02:52:00] <phalenor> shocking
[02:52:01] <wng-> which i had set as the exact same as my user password
[02:52:04] <wng-> and it worked
[02:52:22] <phalenor> is it the root password you're trying to reset?
[02:52:24] <bda> woo.
[02:52:31] <wng-> no, its my user password
[02:52:57] <wng-> so can i just su username, passwd like in linux, or do i have to do something else?
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[02:53:08] <phalenor> that will probably work
[02:53:13] <wng-> alright, thanks
[02:54:03] <wng-> apparently the problem is my user wasn't created
[02:54:16] <wng-> hmm
[02:54:17] <phalenor> well there's your problem!
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[02:56:50] <Gman> hey Tpenta
[02:57:22] <bda> wng-: What do you get when you type zpool list?
[02:58:03] * bda punches Parallels in the head.
[02:58:13] <wng-> bda, looks like info about my disk
[02:58:18] <wng-> size, used, remaining, healthy, etc.
[02:58:59] <bda> Hm. And it actually mounted rpool/ROOT/$be to / instead of /a?
[02:59:06] <bda> (or anywhere else)
[02:59:14] <wng-> i think so, it seems auto mounted
[02:59:41] <wng-> at least /home, and /etc are there
[02:59:44] <bda> huh, I don't actually seem to have an ISO on my laptop.
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[04:05:35] <netdaemon> Tpenta, looks like it worked =)
[04:05:53] <netdaemon> Tpenta, didn't realize that was a step, its not mentioned in the IPS guide
[04:08:22] <Gman> netdaemon: unfortunately it was due to a bad bug in 2008.05 final - we're pushing a new iso image relatively soon so that people won't fall into this bug (sorry that you did)
[04:09:18] <netdaemon> Gman, well it did that even after following the release notes, i had to do the update_grub step after mounting my new image, it worked then
[04:09:23] <Tpenta> Glynn, I have written something up on doing an initial install and upgrade, want a copy?
[04:09:44] <netdaemon> i'm relatively happy with it so far though, just a misconfigured audio driver and no wireless
[04:09:52] <Tpenta> coz the stuff in the initial email left out the unmount at the end of teh process
[04:09:52] <netdaemon> after that, things will be golden
[04:10:23] <Gman> Tpenta: blog it :)
[04:10:49] <Tpenta> that's athought, anyway it's on its way to you too, .. dont have time for the blog right now
[04:10:54] <netdaemon> now to remove the old boot images
[04:11:06] <Tpenta> maybe later today
[04:11:56] <Tpenta> oops let me send that again, i forgot to save after some changes
[04:12:41] <Gman> Tpenta: ok, thanks!
[04:14:42] <netdaemon> one more question though, can i expect an attansic/atheros driver in the next opensolaris release =)?
[04:14:48] <Tpenta> oh ok, I'll change things a little and blog it
[04:15:00] <Tpenta> i thought we had an atheros driver
[04:15:19] <netdaemon> not wifi
[04:15:23] <netdaemon> this is LAN
[04:16:02] <netdaemon> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) <---from debian gnu/linux
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[04:28:11] <Tpenta> OK Glynn, I posted it - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/installing_opensolaris_2008_05_under
[04:28:32] <Gman> Tpenta: awesome!
[04:28:47] <Tpenta> with the internal repository stuff removed ;)
[04:28:57] <Gman> nod, always a good thing ;)
[04:29:08] <Tpenta> tho one thing that pleased me immensly
[04:29:13] <Tpenta> the restart bug appears fixed
[04:29:26] <Tpenta> I can restart the update halfway thru the download and it wont start all over again
[04:29:31] <Tpenta> thank god
[04:29:37] <Gman> yeah, it's useful :)
[04:29:47] <Tpenta> on this side of the pond, DEFINITELY
[04:29:50] <Gman> i'd love a suspend or something
[04:30:01] <Gman> 'manually suspend this update'
[04:30:05] <Tpenta> well you could ^C it and it will restart the downloads after seeing what you have
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[04:30:25] <Gman> right, but how well does that work when it actually starts putting down bits?
[04:30:47] <Tpenta> well i had it timeout 3 times and the update ended up going ok after multiple restarts
[04:33:04] <netdaemon> i probably should have done opensolaris in a virtualbox install, lol
[04:33:05] <netdaemon> ah well
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[04:36:01] <Tpenta> given how easy it is to do in virtual box I think most of our support may be done inside one
[04:36:31] <Gman> being able to swap images seems like an advantage from that point of view
[04:36:46] <netdaemon> indeed, i have a laptop i'm testing it on
[04:37:08] <netdaemon> what is the prefered way to upgrade? through the gui or pkg image-update?
[04:37:21] <Tpenta> I cant believe that the virtuial box install docs on dlc don't tell you how to install virtual box on solaris
[04:38:10] <Gman> netdaemon: through pkg commandline
[04:38:17] <Gman> the gui cn be pretty broken at times
[04:38:28] <netdaemon> ah, thought so =)
[04:39:05] <jbk> sstallion: you there?
[04:39:09] <Tpenta> once you bave >= nv_93, ... the whole process is "pfexec pkg image-update", doesn't get much  easier
[04:39:44] <netdaemon> hehe
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[04:47:46] <MayHem> hi.. could someone help me??.. My solaris system does not boot anymore... I want to recovery some files... how could I get into de zfs and get them?.. I tried with ubuntu.. but I doesn't recognize the partition
[04:48:19] <bda> Boot off the OpenSolaris LiveCD and import your zpool.
[04:48:23] <MayHem> but it doesn't recognize the partition
[04:48:50] <Tpenta> he said teh opensolaris live cd, not the ubunto one
[04:49:19] <MayHem> when I did "zpool import" the output was "no pools ...."
[04:49:58] <bda> Did you repartition the disk or something?
[04:50:09] <MayHem> no
[04:50:14] <gcarrier> hi!
[04:50:31] <gcarrier> i can't use intel with xorgg
[04:50:39] <gcarrier> it seems that agpgart is missing
[04:50:41] <gcarrier> any idea?
[04:52:12] <MayHem> I was working as always... And when I reboot .. I couldn't start session anymore... So I just want to recover some files.. I reinstall Opensolaris
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[04:52:33] <MayHem> and
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[04:53:15] <bda> You want to recover data after you reinstalled the system.
[04:53:24] <MayHem> nono
[04:53:48] <bda> Is the disk otherwise accessible? Is it throwing errors that might suggest it's having hardware issues?
[04:53:57] <MayHem> I'm saying that I want to recover the files... after that.. I will reinstall the system
[04:54:28] <MayHem> I have windows in the same disk..
[04:54:37] <MayHem> probably is the partition zfs..
[04:54:55] <MayHem> Is there a way to do it??
[04:55:12] <MayHem> maybe with a program wich can load zfs
[04:55:42] <bda> `zpool import` should really be able to see any existing zpools.
[04:56:10] <MayHem> the output was "no pools in list" or something like that..
[04:56:18] <bda> Maybe your partition table got hosed?
[04:56:27] <bda> bbiab.
[04:58:03] <MayHem> so..
[04:58:18] <MayHem> in that case I can do nothing
[04:58:20] <MayHem> ?
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[04:59:31] <wng-_> I ran pkg image-update on a fresh install from a 2008.05 livecd and rebooted, but every time it tries to boot, my system shuts down and reboots again before it gets into my system, any ideas?
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[05:00:09] <bda> wng-_: You didn't follow the update instructions. :)
[05:00:17] <bda> wng-_: http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/installing_opensolaris_2008_05_under
[05:00:45] <bda> There's a minor issue with pkg names on that page: SUNWipkg-AT-0.5-DOT-11-0 should really be SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.
[05:00:58] <wng-_> alright, thanks
[05:00:59] <bda> Presumably the blog software rewrites things that look like email addrs...
[05:04:36] <wng-_> getting errors running those commands, permission denied on some python file it looks like it downloaded
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[05:09:28] <bda> wng-_: Like you ran pkg or beadm without pfexec?
[05:09:38] <bda> (pfexec is, somewhat, analogous to "sudo")
[05:10:20] <wng-_> bda, nope, used pfexec
[05:10:25] <bda> Odd.
[05:10:30] <wng-_> and beadm doesn't seem to be installed on my system
[05:10:36] <bda> Your path is probably wrong.
[05:10:44] <bda> ln -s .bashrc .bash_profile and relog.
[05:11:09] <wng-_> neither of those exist
[05:11:18] <bda> er.
[05:11:20] <wng-_> well, obviouslty bashrc doesnt exist
[05:11:28] <sstallion> jbk: yeah... whats up?
[05:11:38] <bda> So... this *is* OpenSolaris, right? Not SXCE?
[05:11:40] <wng-_> this is probably stemming from my earlier problem that the installer didnt create my user
[05:11:45] <bda> ah.
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[05:12:07] <wng-_> i created my own user and probably didnt use all the same settings/options, etc
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[05:12:17] <jbk> oh just wanted to let you know the dnet driver is working good so far, and should be testing 64bit here soon
[05:12:27] <sstallion> excellent!
[05:12:28] <jbk> (just got an update from my friend that has a few)
[05:12:38] <jbk> was gonna try to test it against a few others as well
[05:12:49] <sstallion> I really need to finsih up nicdrv testing so that thing can be putback
[05:13:40] <sstallion> meh, fighting DMA on ne... the thing is a real oddball
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[05:16:24] <jbk> i saw that, but wasn't sure what the dma requirements were
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[07:38:41] <jpeirce> My atheros 5007EG card isn't working with the SUNWatheros package, the device ath0 isn't showing up, any clues?
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[07:57:27] <lappy> I'm setting up a shell hosting service for an individual on his network.. He tells me he going with FreeBSD. Which is ok. But I talked him into going with OpenSolaris... after talking to him about zones (Now I dont know much about Solaris as much as I do with BSD)  but I've gotten pretty far into this setup and I'm not just going to stop... Can anyone give me a site with examples on how to do user management for example... "stoping
[07:57:27] <lappy> users from seaing roots or anyone's processes"
[07:57:45] <lappy> How long they can stay logged on.. how much disk space they use..
[07:57:47] <lappy> etc...
[07:58:10] <lappy> I believe it's called "project" such an odd name
[07:58:32] <lappy> for something that controls resource
[07:59:07] <lappy> Anyone?
[07:59:24] <Stric> disk space is called quota
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[07:59:54] <Stric> if you give that person his own zone, then seeing other processes doesn't matter much
[08:00:07] <lappy> k I can just man quota in that case thank you. that resovles that issue
[08:00:59] <Stric> man zfs, search for quota  (if you're using zfs for his homedir).. man quota if using ufs
[08:01:40] <Stric> man project;man resource_controls
[08:03:03] <lappy> The idea is to use one zone and use it as the shell hosting  and global as the nis/nfs etc I'm installing mysql and httpd apache wiith ssl on this zone (have not currently done this yet)
[08:04:22] <Stric> google://resource+control+solaris  might help stuff too
[08:04:34] <lappy> ahh thank you.
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[08:05:54] <lappy> awsome some good docs popped up
[08:06:08] <lappy> That solves that...
[08:09:33] <lappy> Thank you very much guys ya were mightly helpful onward to continuing this setup. :)
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[08:34:34] <lappy> ello again..
[08:35:19] <lappy> How do you install packages in a zone from blastwave if the zone does not come with pkgadd or none of it's lib's?
[08:35:44] <_mary_kate_> how did you end up with a zone that doesn't have pkgadd?
[08:36:55] <bda> Install a sparse zone and then remove the /usr inherit?
[08:37:05] <lappy> well I copied from /opt/csw to /export/zones/foobar/root/opt/ and got wget to work lmao but pkgadd does not exsit
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[08:38:16] <lappy> add fs > set inherit=/usr > verify > commit > end reboot ?
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[08:40:12] <lappy> please dont tell me I have to start a whole new zone ?
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[08:42:27] <gerard13> no lappy, i'm using sparse zone with blastwave, coolstacj
[08:42:47] <bda> That was a facetious question, not a suggestion..
[08:43:12] <gerard13> show us your /etc/zones/<zone>.xml
[08:43:21] <lappy> sure
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[08:44:09] <Tempt> I think 'lappy' means pkg_get ..
[08:45:16] <lappy> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[08:45:16] <lappy> <!DOCTYPE zone PUBLIC "-//Sun Microsystems Inc//DTD Zones//EN" "file:///usr/share/lib/xml/dtd/zonecfg.dtd.1">
[08:45:16] <lappy> <!--
[08:45:16] <lappy>     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE.  Use zonecfg(1M) instead.
[08:45:17] <lappy> <zone name="shells" zonepath="/export/zones/shells" autoboot="true" brand="ipkg" pool="shells-pool">
[08:45:20] <lappy>   <network address="192.168.2.40/24" physical="pcn0" defrouter="192.168.2.1"/>
[08:45:22] <lappy> </zone>
[08:45:25] <lappy> look pretty empty..
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[08:46:48] <lappy> I copied
[08:46:53] <lappy> ls /opt/csw/
[08:46:53] <lappy> bin  doc  etc  include  info  lib  man  sbin  share  ssl  var
[08:47:05] <bda> You should probably read the Zone Administration Guide.
[08:47:08] <lappy> to /export/zones/shells/root/opt
[08:47:51] <lappy> cool I'll search up Zone Administration Guide.
[08:48:32] <gerard13> lappy: http://pastealacon.com/1102
[08:48:36] <palowoda> Hmm does the Zone Admin guide indicate Indiana zone types?
[08:48:53] <bda> Oh, good call.
[08:48:58] * bda knows nothing about zones on OpenSolaris.
[08:49:03] * bda goes back to watching DNC speeches.
[08:49:12] <palowoda> Good call.
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[08:54:21] <lappy> wow I installed a empty zone container accorrding to what I'm reading.... heh
[08:54:30] <lappy> it's fix able tho :)
[08:54:44] <_mary_kate_> if this is for a production system you should probably be using solaris 10, not indiana
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[08:57:02] <lappy> I'm using a Livecd with no X I disable it all just full text although the install was X based. I'm just trying to setup a shell hosting service using zones and nothign with global and a little bit of resouce control nothing more but indeed it's alot of work for some who knows nothing hands on of this wonderful OS.
[08:57:33] <_mary_kate_> you're setting up a shell provider on a livecd?
[08:57:37] <lappy> I'm learning alot and I'm very happy about it and excited.
[08:57:51] <lappy> off a livecd install not on a livecd
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[08:58:04] <_mary_kate_> that sounds like a production system
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[08:58:52] * lappy has no money to pay for contract to pay for patches
[08:59:04] <lappy> Or how ever that works.
[08:59:24] <palowoda> Not to worry Indiana has no patches.
[08:59:24] <_mary_kate_> can't be a very successful service if you can't afford $200 a year
[08:59:36] <_mary_kate_> anyway, security and driver patches are free
[09:01:02] <palowoda> Let me guess twinsest would have recommened SXCE?
[09:01:20] <lappy> Palowoda Indiana ?
[09:01:22] <_mary_kate_> yes, i would recommend SXCE, that must be why i just told him to use S10
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[09:02:18] <palowoda> But S10 is getting behind the times.  What ever.
[09:03:14] <_mary_kate_> and if he were installing a desktop system, having the latest version of gnome might be a priority
[09:03:23] <lappy> So your suggesting that I dont run a shell service thats completely free with free software off the livecd install?
[09:03:26] <Tempt> lappy: So, how much for a shell? I have a lot of .. email .. to send.
[09:03:33] <palowoda> lappy: One day the world will understand Indiana is Opensolaris.  Or was it the reverse?
[09:05:23] <lappy> I'm not going to seek FreeBSD or any BSD distro I want Solaris! I'm bored of BSD, Linux... Yes I run it indeed but I dream to setup a network full of Solaris systems
[09:06:13] <palowoda> Hell your really bored if your giving out shell access on the web.
[09:06:26] <lappy> Yea I'am.. to be honest
[09:06:29] <lappy> and their free
[09:06:56] <Tempt> Excellent. I can send lots of .. email .. about my fine .. products ..
[09:07:25] <lappy> How many providers weather free or donated run linux and FreeBSD ??? ALOT!
[09:07:38] <lappy> How many Solaris ?
[09:07:43] <palowoda> Good for them.
[09:07:50] <lappy> very very few... or should I say none?
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[09:08:47] <lappy> My point is for ppl how their looking for a shell account to learn or to explore or perhaps just to have a simple website about their family they must be bored of those above os's mentioned.
[09:09:11] <_mary_kate_> why would people who want a website about their family care what OS is being used?
[09:09:30] <lappy> they have to login duh lol
[09:09:31] <lappy> :P
[09:09:39] <lappy> silly
[09:09:40] <_mary_kate_> so?
[09:09:48] <_mary_kate_> why would they care if it's linux or solaris they log into?
[09:10:00] <lappy> Because it
[09:10:03] <lappy> 'sabout leanring
[09:10:07] <lappy> Like me
[09:10:09] <lappy> :)
[09:10:20] <palowoda> I have an idea buy a computer to do it. :)
[09:10:30] <lappy> hehe
[09:10:35] <_mary_kate_> i'm talking about people who "just want to have a simple website about their family"
[09:10:46] <_mary_kate_> why would those people be interested in learning Unix or Linux if all they want is a website?
[09:11:03] <lappy> ok so that description did not make any sense...
[09:11:05] <bda> lappy: Ever hear of metawire?
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[09:11:43] <lappy> metawire does not exsit any more they use to run OpenBSD.
[09:11:51] <lappy> unless they moved.
[09:11:53] <lappy> idk
[09:12:00] <_mary_kate_> as for learning Solaris... 10 years ago a shell account might've been useful for that, nowadays it's probably much easier to just install it in a VM
[09:12:13] <bda> No, they're gone now. For the same reason the vast majority of people who "want to run free shell services" go away...
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[09:13:38] <lappy> What do you suggest for me with these ridiculous ideas I have upon me ?
[09:13:50] <_mary_kate_> get a job?
[09:13:55] <lappy> Have one.
[09:14:00] <_mary_kate_> get a more interesting one
[09:14:07] <lappy> cant find one..
[09:14:08] <palowoda> heh
[09:14:15] <bda> _mary_kate_++
[09:15:30] <lappy> Oh well their goes my self esteem
[09:17:05] <bda> Open shell servers are just a bad idea. Someone elsechan suggests the only way to run a shell server is to give shells to people you can hit.
[09:17:14] <bda> Hosting stuff for your friends is a fine idea, and you'll learn stuff.
[09:17:31] <bda> Giving out shells to anyone who asks is an excellent way to piss off your ISP or spend a lot of time restoring your server(s).
[09:17:44] <LeftWing> bda: Jesus, whomever elsechan sounds both intelligent and handsome.
[09:17:50] <LeftWing> Dapper, even.
[09:17:54] <bda> LeftWing: Devlishly so on both counts!
[09:18:07] * LeftWing chortles.
[09:18:31] <Tempt> That elsechan must be filled with intelligent, eloquent and wise individuals.
[09:18:45] <bda> Or a bunch of grumpy beardies.
[09:18:51] <lappy> I guess thanks for giving me a kick into reality
[09:19:05] <LeftWing> Or some mixture of the two.
[09:19:20] <lappy> yea...
[09:19:26] <bda> Just saying. You can run boxes for friends successfully for years... several dozen friends of mine had accounts on a system with the root password in the motd.
[09:19:37] <bda> Just, y'know.
[09:19:56] <bda> Handing shells to random people is like giving knives and acid to vagrants. Or worse, frat guys...
[09:20:11] <Tempt> vagrant frat guys
[09:20:19] <bda> You'll probably get fucked, and probably not where you'd expect to get fucked.
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[09:20:42] <bda> Tempt: Sounds like an enemy from the next Penny Arcade game!
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[09:27:46] <trochej> Eeeloi
[09:27:48] <trochej> Coffee
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[09:54:08] <trochej> Coffee
[09:58:28] <dosiu> Coffee.
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[10:00:29] <trochej> Good
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[10:22:43] <noyb> so...  whatever happened with this?: http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/casablanca
[10:23:11] <bda> Delicious candy was consumed.
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[10:23:50] <noyb> ah
[10:23:51] <noyb> ok
[10:23:58] <asyd> \_o<
[10:24:10] <bda> moo.
[10:24:21] <noyb> lol >o_/   quack back atcha asyd!
[10:24:32] <trochej> Coffee!
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[10:39:46] <michael_1> Hi ... I've got problems getting with opensolaris 2008.05 getting networking online. interface vr0 is correctly identified but I'm getting not IP address via DHCP
[10:49:12] <Macabee> michael_1: have you tried bouncing nwam once you're fully booted?
[10:49:16] <Macabee> i.e. svcadm restart nwam
[10:49:39] <Macabee> sometimes i've had to do that if i'm plugged into a cisco switch that takes years to fully bring up a port
[10:50:27] <michael_1> Macabee: hmm ... still no IP address
[10:50:48] <Macabee> dmesg show anything of use?
[10:51:13] <sickness> morning all
[10:52:04] <michael_1> dmesg says: Timeout in enable MII polling ...
[10:54:10] <michael_1> it just worked yesterday ... booted the machine today and it didn't worked anymore
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[10:57:05] <suprlady> hi all
[10:58:04] <suprlady> how can be displayed please installation script of concrete package? (ie. commands, which are executed depending on concrete package??) thanks much
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[11:01:24] <codestr0m> the xterm definition in OpenSolaris seems... lacking.. (I have to look at the other ones available) , but http://invisible-island.net/vttest/  if correct seems to show how either gnome terminal isn't emulating a vt100 terminal correctly or something else isn't correct.. hmm..
[11:02:29] <sickness> gnome terminal--
[11:02:32] <sickness> xterm++
[11:04:40] <codestr0m> tabbed terminal window++
[11:05:59] <codestr0m> I do think it's rather funny that my damn delete key functions correctly in xterm and not gnome-terminal.. that's what I'm currently trying to figure out now..
[11:06:43] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: do pos1 and end work with your gnome-terminal?
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[11:06:49] <codestr0m> I also like to be able to move the the "end of the line" move one word to the right.. etc.. those things are so convenient at times
[11:06:51] <sickness> screen++
[11:07:06] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: they will after I figure this crap out today
[11:07:18] <twisti> xRaich[o]2x, It does not work for me, but I saw a post somewhere how to fix it.
[11:07:38] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: feel free to ping me when it works, otherwise switch to zsh ^^
[11:07:42] <codestr0m> sickness: screen is great for a remote session, but locally.. it's much faster for me to alt+12 and nav through them
[11:08:10] <sickness> well I've nothing locally anyway =)
[11:08:18] <bda> No copy/paste whitespace screwups, either.
[11:08:26] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I'll probably switch to tcsh and haven't looked into zsh..
[11:08:44] <xRaich[o]2x> twisti: thought so. the gnome-terminal seems to be a bit messed up :/
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[11:09:01] <codestr0m> ooh. to not start anything too complicated, but frankly I don't know the difference between tcsh and zsh.. if there is a general consensus I'd like to here
[11:09:20] <sickness> gnome-terminal sux big time, konsole has always been light years ahead, IMHO... :/
[11:09:24] <codestr0m> sickness: what do you as your desktop?
[11:09:39] <sickness> codestr0m: fluxbox
[11:10:07] <sickness> and standard xterm or xterm86 from blastwave (which handles some things better than the default xterm shipped with sxce)
[11:10:39] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: it can emulte almost every shell and you can configure almost everything. and i like the line editor, mine uses vi-commands ^^
[11:10:59] <twisti> xRaich[o]2x, Unfortunately, and it's very slow.
[11:11:05] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[11:11:09] <twisti> Already filed a bug report about that.
[11:11:30] <twisti> It's so much slower than on Linux on the same machine.
[11:11:44] <codestr0m> slow is a deal breaker.. fish has all sorts of fancy things, but slow as hell on linux. not even going to try on OpenSolaris
[11:11:56] <TomJ> what is fish?
[11:12:07] <twisti> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2950
[11:12:25] <codestr0m> TomJ: http://www.fishshell.org/
[11:13:14] <codestr0m> most of the problem with fish was I think it wasn't caching anything and constantly searching path
[11:13:16] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm looks pretty nice
[11:13:23] <codestr0m> I didn't even bother profiling it
[11:13:58] * tomww uses SFEurxvt.spec + SFEscreen.spec .... this makes a wonderfull + bleedingly fast gnome-terminal-free-zone
[11:14:13] <TomJ> gnome-terminal really sucks. I like Konsole though
[11:14:58] <xRaich[o]2x> the kde4 konsole is pretty good.
[11:15:14] <xRaich[o]2x> i just dislike the fact that it cannot detach tabs right now
[11:15:22] <codestr0m> ok. so the votes say gnome-terminal sucks.. 1) works /fine/adequate on linux 2) I'd like a tabbed terminal emulator where I can map tab navigation to alt+1 and alt+2.. outside that I don't care
[11:15:40] <TomJ> codestr0m: then you want KDE3 Konsole
[11:15:53] <TomJ> sadly you cant use KDE4 konsole because in their infinite wisdom, they decided to take away Alt as a mappable key
[11:15:57] <TomJ> because apparently that's more 'correct'
[11:15:57] <TomJ> twats.
[11:16:02] <codestr0m> all you guys are referencing kde bits.. I'm on a gnome desktop. .and installing kde libs is just ridiculous for such a simple thing
[11:16:05] <TomJ> also kde4 konsole is kinda buggy
[11:16:37] <codestr0m> TomJ: they are twats indeed.. thumb + alt is a strong finger and I wonder if they've ever heard of emacs pinky
[11:16:58] <codestr0m> I'd just remap the keys and say screw them, but I have everything mapped with alt (even if it means I patch the code)
[11:16:59] <TomJ> yeah. I use Alt for hundreds of local bindings, but I have never once needed to send Alt down a terminal session
[11:17:22] <Gman> twisti: will try and get someone to take a look at that bug - there's no real reason the performance should be terrible
[11:17:44] <Gman> twisti: yippi has done a bunch of work on it before, so he might be able to figure out if something is incredibly broken
[11:18:01] <twisti> Gman, Thank you.
[11:18:29] <twisti> Gman, It's really annoying you can't even click buttons when the terminal is scrolling.
[11:18:37] <codestr0m> if I ever get up to speed on things (maybe 6+ months from now) I also wouldn't mind trying to tackle performance issues
[11:19:03] <Gman> twisti: yeah, though the reality is that libvte is probably doing too much work generally
[11:19:10] <Gman> especially when anti-aliasing
[11:19:25] <Gman> anyway, yippi knows all about that stuff, so hopefully he'll respond to the bug report
[11:20:08] <twisti> Great.
[11:21:55] <codestr0m> ok. so gnome-terminal sucks, konsole is a dead issue because of various reasons.. zsh is slow.. that leaves tcsh inside gnome-terminal or what's the end result before this bug is fixed?
[11:23:11] <codestr0m> this also looks interesting.. I'll test and maybe report back http://materm.sourceforge.net/wiki/
[11:25:53] <TomJ> codestr0m: me, I'd install the necessary KDE bits to run Konsole. shouldnt be too much?
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[11:26:49] <michael_1> anyone having some idea why my vr0 interface isn't getting any IP address. also the ether address seems to be 00:00... what ever that could mean
[11:27:18] <codestr0m> TomJ: unless kde4 is like some magical change.. 1) I don't like to hack c++ code 2) I don't like the results from the kde project (from past impression)
[11:27:56] <codestr0m> michael_1: this is inside vmware right.. well. I was going to guess the networking wasn't setup correctly.. just a guess
[11:28:44] <michael_1> codestr0m: no, this isn't vmware. it's a via rhine NIC.
[11:29:15] <codestr0m> I'm clueless then. sorry
[11:29:35] <TomJ> why would you need to hack code?
[11:29:37] <michael_1> on ifconfig vr0 dhcp start it just hangs
[11:29:47] <TomJ> and no, KDE4 is so far pretty crappy in my opinion. lots of fluff, not much works
[11:29:52] <TomJ> but I like KDE3, personally
[11:30:11] <asyd> well, kde4 will be very good, but not before one year imho
[11:30:21] <TomJ> yeah they will probably get it sorted in teh end
[11:30:40] <TomJ> it was just really stupid to give alpha code a major release number
[11:31:02] <TomJ> personally I think KDE 4 will be tainted, and they will have to make a KDE 5
[11:31:06] <TomJ> kind of like Windows Vista :)
[11:31:41] <asyd> well, it's the politic of kde
[11:32:35] <codestr0m> kde == wasted effort
[11:32:57] <codestr0m> if they are talented.. go fight and get over ego and help the gnome project for f*** sake
[11:33:05] <asyd> tss...
[11:33:18] <TomJ> hehe, well personally I'd rather drop Gnome and have them help KDE :)
[11:33:22] <TomJ> never liked Gnome much
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[11:33:42] <asyd> +1
[11:33:55] <codestr0m> TomJ: just works.. most releases aren't magically delicious, but it's slowly progressing and rarely borked to the extent I've seen kde
[11:34:22] <codestr0m> kde has always been ahead of the curve for features *AND* bugs
[11:35:03] <TomJ> my experience is mostly limited to 3.5, and definitely only to 3.x,  but it's always been good to me on Linux.  there are some bits that crash for sure.. but overall I'm much happier in KDE than Gnome
[11:35:11] <TomJ> but it seems quite a divisive issue :)
[11:35:15] <TomJ> lots of people feel the opposite
[11:35:19] <TomJ> so no chance of them ever merging I am sure :)
[11:35:23] <xRaich[o]2x> *sigh* this world is big enough for 2 different desktops....
[11:35:41] <codestr0m> screw both of them.. enlighten me ;)
[11:35:53] <codestr0m> poor rasterman..
[11:36:16] <TomJ> hehe I've not used Englightenment for years.. last time I ran it, my 128mb ram was not really enough and BSD chugged a lot
[11:36:16] <xRaich[o]2x> what's wrong with him?
[11:36:38] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: only that someone should give him control of all three projects and funding
[11:36:52] <codestr0m> volunteer efforts + beer money and it's just not progress fast enough
[11:39:02] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm i think i will set up my old laptop with bsd and windowmaker later today. just for the sake of good old times ^^
[11:40:02] <codestr0m> *smirk*
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[11:45:06] <e^ipi> codestr0m: problem with 'dropping their egos' and helping gnome is that the philosophy is very different
[11:45:19] <e^ipi> gnome attempts a sort of mac-like experience
[11:45:32] <e^ipi> minimalist in design, not much to customize
[11:46:12] <e^ipi> people who like KDE hate gnome for that very thing, and to divorce the underlying philosophy from the project would be to no longer have GNOME at all ( personally, i think that'd be a great thing )
[11:46:44] <e^ipi> also de icaza is a total sellout
[11:47:05] <oxygene> always was
[11:47:24] <codestr0m> ^^ while I fully agree with that statement... other than the mono project.. what real influence does he have?
[11:47:54] <e^ipi> well, he started the thing
[11:48:08] <codestr0m> the gnome desktop is much more influenced by the mobile industry backing as it stands now
[11:48:26] <e^ipi> also, another criticism is that GNOME started as a political project, not a technical one
[11:48:37] <e^ipi> they didn't like the Qt license, so they wrote a different program
[11:48:47] <codestr0m> you're talking about how it started. I care about current state
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[11:49:12] <oxygene> hundreds of semi-related projects that barely work together - voila, that's gnome
[11:49:17] <codestr0m> is kde 3.5 maintained.. relatively bug free.. is kde4 ready for production/daily use..
[11:49:18] <e^ipi> the current state is pretty horrid... i don't often agree with Torvalds but he was bang-on when it came to his criticism of GNOME
[11:49:28] <e^ipi> less features, more bloat... every single new release
[11:49:47] <codestr0m> *sigh*
[11:49:58] <e^ipi> and yeah, a bunch of unrelated programs come together haphazardly as oxygene points out
[11:50:03] <asyd> kde vs gnome is a stupid troll :)
[11:50:09] <asyd> stupid waste of time
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[11:51:37] <e^ipi> too bad openstep's dead
[11:52:13] <oxygene> the one nice thing of openstep (and cocoa), from a developers perspective, is the very tight integration of apis
[11:52:43] <e^ipi> indeed
[11:53:35] <codestr0m> yeah, but who is going to rewrite Xorg to include the same changes Apple did.. not to mention various other caveats to that.. :P
[11:53:54] <codestr0m> and didn't Nextstep take over the openstep bits?
[11:54:20] <e^ipi> other way 'round
[11:54:47] <codestr0m> ok. I vaguely remembered something to that extent
[11:55:00] <oxygene> xorg is a video driver framework - and these days, it probably wouldn't hurt to just get a full screen opengl context and work inside that
[11:55:51] <oxygene> at least, if you're willing to sacrifice X compat, which might also not be the worst of all ideas
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[11:58:49] <e^ipi> i think if they ( who's they? ) could convince the GTK people and the Qt people to migrate to whatever new standard they set, and include some way of having old X apps display, it would be pretty unobtrusive
[11:59:00] <e^ipi> even if the "old app" wrapper were xnest
[11:59:03] <e^ipi> of sorts
[11:59:10] <oxygene> then again, that tight coupling is the anti-thesis to the unix philosophy (one tool <-> one job, loose coupling via pipes). again, that might not be a bad idea
[12:00:28] <e^ipi> unix philosophy went out the window in favour of pragmatism a LONG time ago
[12:00:44] <oxygene> everything is a file, except for bsd sockets ;)
[12:00:52] <e^ipi> and streams
[12:01:08] <e^ipi> and doors
[12:01:15] <oxygene> heh
[12:01:25] <e^ipi> and dbus/dcop/corba
[12:02:01] <e^ipi> if you want "pure" unix philosophy, you'll be using plan9
[12:02:06] <xRaich[o]2x> *numble* plan9
[12:02:09] <oxygene> indeed
[12:02:20] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: damn you were first ^^
[12:03:11] <oxygene> well, as for cocoa, there's gnustep, there's cocotron (which is more reasonably licensed).. the latter needs a unixy GUI, though. so it could be done
[12:03:49] <e^ipi> i... did not know about coctron
[12:03:52] <e^ipi> that's cool actually
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[12:05:15] <oxygene> oh, cocotron also needs a non-xcode build system (maybe a pbxmake that doesn't rely on cocoa would be good enough), so far, building it on non-macos is _hard_ ;)
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[12:06:23] <TomJ> but hang on, doors and streams are still files aren't they?
[12:06:33] <TomJ> they're just special files, but that's in keeping with teh philosophy
[12:06:33] <e^ipi> it'd be cool if i could send the devs. for my favourite mac apps an extra $20 to compile it with cocotron if it worked in solaris
[12:07:32] <oxygene> TomJ: can doors be reasonably used with the files API alone?
[12:07:43] <TomJ> I don't know - can they?
[12:08:03] <e^ipi> i thought not
[12:08:34] <TomJ> yeah maybe not
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[12:18:04] <timsf> I'd send apple $20 for iTunes + drm crap to get ported to Solaris...
[12:21:25] 
[12:21:38] <Macabee> especially as wine works on Solaris according to various people
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[12:24:20] <timsf> Could be Macabee - now all I need is some ample free time to port it :-
[12:24:37] <timsf> [ hence willing to send $20 to apple for the pleasure ]
[12:25:24] <Macabee> i'm yet to try out wine fully
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[12:25:28] <Macabee> would be quite cool if WoW etc. can run
[12:25:39] <Macabee> (i know it can on linux wine - but on solaris wine would be ace)
[12:32:39] <Gman> e^ipi: you troll on GNOME without me? shame!
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[12:46:32] <codestr0m> Macabee: cedega + solaris == ace..
[12:46:57] <TomJ> cedega runs on solaris?
[12:47:04] <Macabee> linux zone
[12:47:05] <Macabee> :P
[12:47:09] <TomJ> ah
[12:47:16] <TomJ> well that's still quite impressive
[12:47:29] <Macabee> linux zones are amazing
[12:47:40] <TomJ> was that in a 2.6 zone, or 2.4?
[12:47:50] <Macabee> codestr0m: ^
[12:48:45] <codestr0m> was that a question for me? I got fedora 9 + a lot of other crap skype+ acrobat reader to run quite nicely (didn't hit any bugs, but isn't to say there isn't any)
[12:49:01] <codestr0m> and honestly. I'd not dare think cedega would work well though..
[12:49:16] <codestr0m> TomJ: I've only played with 2.6 zones
[12:49:29] <TomJ> cool, i've only played with 2.4
[12:49:40] <Macabee> iirc 3d support does work in zones
[12:49:49] <codestr0m> I can document where I pulled the files from.. what hacks were needed and other bits if anyone is interested?
[12:49:52] <Macabee> at least i remember reading it somewhere
[12:49:56] <codestr0m> Macabee: no way. really?
[12:50:06] <TomJ> codestr0m: that's always useful. makes a good blog post at least
[12:50:07] <Macabee> it was on a sun blog aaages ago
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[12:50:42] <codestr0m> TomJ: yeah that was the original point, but I had to try so many things to get it working... the stab in the dark approach won vs documenting and taking time (was a time crunch)
[12:51:28] <codestr0m> speaking of which.. before I forget too much I'll do that now
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[13:03:29] <bradd> if a service is in 'maintenance' state, will it restart upon reboot?
[13:04:12] <h3sp4wn> bradd: depends why its in that state
[13:04:57] <bradd> ok. i'm trying to install gdm and it enters that state when it fails.. I'll just svadm it each time until it works :)
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[13:20:02] <bradd> does gdm look like dtlogin? also, at bootup, nothing seems to create /tmp/.X11-pipe which is needed. (I am doing this manually now, but I don't want to have to do it each bootup)
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[13:34:15] <codestr0m> bradd: gdm looks nothing like dtlogin iirc and I'm really scratching my head to wonder why there isn't a package that gives you gdm and allows it to simple start as a service?
[13:35:03] <bradd> well i managed to get gdm running. (pgrep gdm has processes and dtlogin is gone) but it looks the same to me
[13:36:52] <codestr0m> bradd: umm.. run pfexec gdmsetup
[13:37:10] <codestr0m> pick a different theme.. restart the service and see if you notice a change
[13:37:33] <bradd> ok
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[13:43:23] <codestr0m> does joyent have any competition in terms of solaris/zone hosting?
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[13:46:29] <TomJ> there's a few small places I think
[13:46:30] <TomJ> not much though
[13:47:40] <codestr0m> TomJ: ok. well. I guess I should either contact Robert Miggins or do a howto remotely flip the Linux switch on a dedicated server at serverbeach
[13:47:54] <codestr0m> because with serverbeach it is possible
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[13:48:28] <bda> Does Amazon count? ;)
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[13:48:44] <codestr0m> bda: is the performance acceptable?
[13:48:52] <bda> Beats me.
[13:49:24] <codestr0m> yes.. well. it counts if someone can give feedback on it and it's a better value than joyent
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[13:50:10] <bda> As there's no min usage requirement on EC2, it shouldn't be too expensive to load up an image and find out?
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[13:50:43] <codestr0m> ok.. let me know if you or anyone has tested it..
[13:50:43] <bda> A friend of mine uses their Linux installs for some pretty heavy, crazy stuff.
[13:50:53] <bda> He seems to have been impressed by it.
[13:50:53] <codestr0m> I've heard good and bad
[13:51:02] <bda> Which is only useful from an anecdotal perspective. :)
[13:51:11] <codestr0m> I think it can depend on your use case
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[13:52:11] <bda> codestr0m: http://nopaste.snit.ch/13921
[13:54:36] <trochej> Coffee
[13:56:02] <codestr0m> bda: toc is high by comparison, but yes. I agree that initial effort + automation simplicity + scaling makes it quite compelling
[13:56:22] <bda> Yeah.
[13:56:35] <codestr0m> I mean at .80/h that's like $576 per month for a 16GB ram box
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[13:56:59] <codestr0m> (unless I'm mistaken.. please correct me.. please)
[13:57:18] <bda> Not counting bandwidth.
[13:57:24] <codestr0m> right or the san
[13:57:27] <bda> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html?
[13:57:55] <codestr0m> bda: been there a while ago. it's ugly.. I'll do more footwork on the frontend and save in the long term
[13:58:13] <codestr0m> create dd images I can plop on serverbeach servers and deploy easily across two datacenters
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[13:58:55] <codestr0m> eventually I also need to test ib connectors in the newer dell 1950's
[13:59:01] <bda> Yeah, I was never particularly interested in EC2, except maybe as an emergency resource.
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[14:00:10] <codestr0m> well. this all started out as a cheap/high value cdn
[14:00:17] <codestr0m> and then they expanded their offering..
[14:05:34] <bradd> does anyone know where Xsun logs?
[14:06:02] <bradd> I'm using /usr/openwin/bin/Xsun on the root console and it is just hanging.. sometimes it works, others it just hangs
[14:06:21] <codestr0m> bradd: are you on sxce or 200805?
[14:06:25] <bradd> sxce
[14:06:40] <codestr0m> bradd: is there an explicit reason to not go to 200805?
[14:06:50] <bradd> running on sparc hardware
[14:06:50] <codestr0m> (besides it's probably more bleeding edge)
[14:07:12] <trochej> codestr0m: If you change your PATH, then it's even nice.
[14:07:31] <codestr0m> trochej: ?
[14:09:10] <trochej> codestr0m: It has /usr/gnu/bin in front
[14:09:42] <codestr0m> trochej: umm. I changed my path a while ago, but I'm not sure I'm connecting the dots..
[14:09:55] <trochej> I'll do it for you: .__.
[14:09:57] <trochej> :)
[14:10:00] <codestr0m> echo $PATH
[14:10:00] <codestr0m> /usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
[14:10:25] <trochej> codestr0m: On os2008.05 /usr/gnu/bin is in front
[14:10:33] <trochej> It brakes things
[14:10:34] <codestr0m> trochej: right.. and I changed it :)
[14:10:37] <trochej> Some of them
[14:10:48] <trochej> codestr0m: So, when you change the PATH, os2008 is even nice
[14:11:18] <codestr0m> oh. gotcha.. , but bradd was asking for help.. I've just been adding meaningless commentary today
[14:11:43] <trochej> codestr0m: That's what I do here all the time. :)\
[14:12:24] <codestr0m> unless you count addin "\e[3~": delete-char to .inputrc to fix the damn delete key.. when I get a minute. I'll figure out end + other bits for gnome-terminal as well
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[14:14:57] <sartek> http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2005/10/13/super-useful-inputrc/
[14:14:57] <bradd> ok, now Xsun is started after me waiting about 5 minutes for it to start up
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[14:15:51] <codestr0m> bradd: you have a bullfrog or something. I didn't think sun made usable desktop hardware :P
[14:16:19] <bradd> heh.. whats a bullfrog
[14:16:20] <bradd> ?
[14:17:15] <codestr0m> "Tadpole recently launched a new family of SPARC notebooks which they call the Bullfrog. The high end model  includes  dual 1.2 GHz UltraSPARC IIIi processors  and  up to 16GB DRAM. "
[14:17:41] <bda> Crazy.
[14:18:14] <bradd> Heh.. I will be getting a new video card in a few days.. Maybe this will solve the problem
[14:18:16] <JWheeler> What possible advantage do they have over the much cheaper, commodity x64 laptops?
[14:18:40] <JWheeler> Other than the obvious, the total ram, but really, what laptop needs that much RAM
[14:18:58] <codestr0m> http://www.rdi.com/
[14:19:20] <codestr0m> JWheeler: well. the new dells can finally catch up to the 16GB mark
[14:19:37] <codestr0m> and I wouldn't have considered that thing something I'd put on my lap, but more a mobile server
[14:19:53] <JWheeler> I can see how *some* people might need 8, but I struggle to come up with pratical scenarios above that
[14:20:11] <bda> Virtual machine network? :)
[14:20:32] <bda> Deploying emergency Big Apps at customer sites?
[14:20:33] <codestr0m> I can max out 4GB any day I open a client app and need to simulate load for performance profiling :P
[14:20:52] <codestr0m> bda: I think the thing was originally marketed at emergency server on site
[14:20:53] <codestr0m> :P
[14:20:54] <bda> Developing with Oracle?
[14:21:05] <TomJ> 16gb ram in a laptop is nice. but dual 1.2ghz U3i.. hmm
[14:21:21] <JWheeler> anything that would use/needs 16GB is going to struggle for IO on a lappy anyway
[14:21:32] <bda> It doesn't have SSDs in it? :)
[14:22:05] <TomJ> codestr0m: sun makes some great desktop hardware I beleve.. just not SPARC any more
[14:22:25] <codestr0m> TomJ: right.. I was staying in the context of sparc hw only
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[14:24:50] * niq wants an ARM desktop box for low power consumption ... but doesn't see solaris for ARM
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[14:26:19] <codestr0m> niq: and what would you consider low power consumption in a desktop machine.. including lcd/monitor power?
[14:26:41] <Macabee> codestr0m: wine 1.1.3 configures with opengl out of the box on opensolaris :)
[14:26:46] <Macabee> that's handy
[14:26:48] <Macabee> :)
[14:27:15] <codestr0m> Macabee: inside brandz26 or?
[14:27:18] <Macabee> no
[14:27:20] <Macabee> native solaris
[14:27:46] <Macabee> i may have to have a proper play after i finish work
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[14:28:24] <codestr0m> not bad.... have fun if it works..
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[14:51:14] <codestr0m> anyone in here used any sangoma or digium products inside opensolaris?
[14:51:30] <cypromis> no but I am working on the drivers
[14:51:37] <cypromis> the sangoma ones
[14:52:36] <codestr0m> oh crap.. you're a freeswitch developer as well? I know a company that wants to test freeswitch + *solaris + sangoma
[14:52:50] <codestr0m> cypromis:  ^
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[14:53:29] <cypromis> yah and I am a master sangoma distributor as well
[14:53:35] <codestr0m> some of my infra is held up migrating because I haven't tested the assterisk to freeswitch migration well enough
[14:53:53] <cypromis> what exactly d you need to migrate ?
[14:53:57] <cypromis> most of it is pretty simple
[14:54:16] <codestr0m> yeah, but my personal knowledge is low.. I have another dev I was going to work with to get a test env up so he can try the migration out..
[14:54:33] <codestr0m> I was talking with him about it this weekend
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[14:59:59] <bradd> ok, i am using truss to run Xsun. its showing ENOENT errors for /var/ld/ld.config, /usr/openwin/server/lib/libc.so.1, a few others.. any ideas?
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[15:00:43] <Berny> bradd, thats fine
[15:00:52] <Berny> as long as it find the libs somewhere
[15:01:29] <Berny> libc.so.1 is in /lib and you should see that in the truss output
[15:01:47] <bradd> Berny, I'm having issues starting Xsun.. sometimes it starts right away, sometimes it takes > 10 mins. truss is saying the app is (sleeping...)
[15:02:20] <Berny> whats it doing before that?
[15:02:32] <Berny> might wait for something to finish
[15:02:49] <Berny> anyway alanc is the guy to poke for X issues :-)
[15:03:10] <bradd> the line causing the sleep is : stat("/net/paravon/export/x-re/build/milestone/NV/BIWEEKLY_X_NV_SPARC/xc/programs/Xsever/...")
[15:03:23] <bradd> ok, i'll wait for alanc
[15:03:28] <Berny> AH!
[15:03:33] <Berny> that is a network issue
[15:03:55] <Berny> it's trying to access a file on the server paravon vi nfs/automount
[15:03:56] <timsf> s/network issue/build issue/
[15:04:21] <Berny> ditch /net from /etc/auto_master and try again
[15:05:03] <Berny> and then complain to someone about Xsun trying to access that file
[15:05:13] <bradd> yes it works. ty
[15:05:21] <timsf> I thnk they know about that problem
[15:05:32] <timsf> can't hurt whinging though
[15:05:34] <Berny> doesn't hurt to remind them ;-)
[15:05:48] <timsf> [ bearing in mind that most of the X guys are on holiday today ]
[15:05:52] <bradd> ok, any ideas where to find email addresses?
[15:06:33] <timsf> log a bug - easiest way to reach them
[15:06:41] <bradd> ok
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[15:09:16] <seanmcg> I'd try searching bugs on bugs.opensolaris.org first and see if theres already one open.  That or mail on the xserver interest list.
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[15:50:48] <bradd> Is there a way to have a program run at bootup? Basically I want to run /opt/SUNWspci2/drivers/solaris/sunpcload
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[16:05:05] <seanmcg> bradd, while SMF is a more correct way to do this, you can create a small script in say /etc/rc3.d
[16:06:13] <bradd> ok, sounds good..
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[16:13:53] <hardy> Hi, I zlogin -C zone1 but used a wrong terminal and now the screen is a mess. I halted the zone and retried but still it goes to where I left, how can I kill this session and restart the process?
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[16:19:47] <Fullmoon> What is the best way to set an environment variable for EVERY process launched?
[16:20:39] <hardy> Fullmoon: export VAR=value
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[16:20:55] <Fullmoon> I mean every processed launched on system start too :)
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[16:25:13] <seanmcg>  possibly add it to /etc/profile
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[16:25:48] <hardy> Fullmoon: even in system startup, it will read the initialization files to execute commands
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[16:26:43] <hardy> I am new to this stuff so I may be wrong though
[16:27:26] <seanmcg> hardy, I think Fullmoon is asking for this/these ' initialization files'..  i.e. possibly /etc/profile
[16:27:51] <hardy> seanmcg: aha!
[16:29:39] <hardy> seanmcg: when I zlogin -C to my zone I cannot use the arrow keys so how can I select an option (like when asked to choose my country)
[16:36:00] <seanmcg> hardy, you could instead try this method to initialise your new zone: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/z.login.task-38?a=view
[16:36:09] <seanmcg> no typing needed :)
[16:36:17] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/20027
[16:36:25] <codestr0m> pos1 and end fix
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[16:36:57] <codestr0m> earlier I think you said you were interested..
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[16:44:02] <flowolf> hi all
[16:44:33] <flowolf> I want to mount a smbfs share listening on a port other than the default one
[16:44:37] <flowolf> how can I do this?
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[16:47:04] <skillet> good luck with that
[16:48:42] <hardy> seanmcg: that's a nice tip, really, but I still want to try the normal procedure. I now managed to somehow finish that session and want to repeat it, so I tried again zlogin -C zone1 and it didn't ask me any questions this time!!
[16:51:34] <seanmcg> if you want the zone in an unconfigured state, then login to the zone and run sys-unconfig :)
[16:52:12] <seanmcg> just be careul running this, don't run it in the global zone for instance :)
[16:53:42] <hardy> seanmcg: ok thanks for this tip, I would try it though I still believe when I tried zlogin -C before, it asks me for the configuration each time I try it without the need to do sys-unconfig, how this happens, I don't know
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[16:57:02] <hardy> seanmcg: I will reconfigure it and then come with a much better question ;) thanks for the help
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[17:42:32] <theRealBall> sup
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[17:48:13] <Blackknight> hello
[17:48:42] <Blackknight> has anybody tried compiling libshout on open solaris?
[17:49:58] <cypromis> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/SFElibshout.spec
[17:50:02] * cypromis yawns
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[17:51:50] <Blackknight> thanks
[17:52:10] <cypromis> np
[17:54:09] <Blackknight> make errors out
[17:55:19] <cypromis> sart with this:
[17:55:19] <cypromis> http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[17:55:29] <cypromis> otherwise you wont have much fun
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[17:56:57] <Fullmoon> Could I make a daily, bootable consistent backup with a zone with zfs snapshot and scp?
[17:56:59] <Fullmoon> *with a => of a
[17:58:23] <timsf> Yes probably. Not sure if you'd need to zone detach before taking the snapshot though, followed by zone attach on the far end
[17:58:34] <timsf> [ which would mean downtime of course ]
[18:04:00] <Blackknight> so there's no ips package for libshout?
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[18:05:09] <TomJ> is there a host or dig or something command to list every host in a given domain?
[18:05:21] <cypromis> obviously there is no IPS package
[18:05:32] <cypromis> but the pkgtool stuff is swloly eolving to a IPS creator
[18:05:37] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: dig domain.com axfr
[18:05:44] <cypromis> so you will be able to just craete an IPS package with the same SFE spec file
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[18:05:58] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: but nearly all auth servers are configured to reject that, except from trusted hosts
[18:06:10] <TomJ> sure I'll need to change bind to allow it
[18:06:11] <TomJ> thanks
[18:06:16] <TomJ> it's a LAN-only DNS server
[18:06:23] <Blackknight> hmm
[18:06:50] <Blackknight> maybe I should switch to nexenta
[18:07:59] <Blackknight> at least then I'd have apt
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[18:08:30] <Blackknight> grep: can't open /opt/lib/libogg.la
[18:08:30] <Blackknight> Can't open /opt/lib/libogg.la
[18:08:30] <Blackknight> libtool: link: `/opt/lib/libogg.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[18:08:41] <Blackknight> why is it looking for /opt/lib?
[18:09:31] <Blackknight> since it's in /usr/local, not /opt
[18:09:32] <TomJ> ah host -l is good too
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[18:13:33] <Blackknight> bah, I'll do a reinstall later
[18:14:38] <Blackknight> I like zfs but IPS kind of sucks
[18:15:06] <codestr0m> IPS--
[18:15:35] <codestr0m> Blackknight: don't worry. the same person who invented apt is going to make IPS better.
[18:15:36] <codestr0m> :P
[18:15:51] <codestr0m> (I'm not sure that's actually an accurate statement, but whatever.. close enough)
[18:15:54] <Blackknight> it just needs more packages
[18:16:11] <codestr0m> Blackknight: that's call gcc + blastwave + sfw
[18:16:19] <codestr0m> use the source :P
[18:16:24] <Blackknight> the source won't compile
[18:16:38] <Blackknight> should I use gcc instead of suncc?
[18:16:40] <codestr0m> Blackknight: what are you trying to do?
[18:16:45] <Blackknight> compile libshout
[18:16:55] <Blackknight> and mpd eventually
[18:17:07] <codestr0m> are you trying to listen to an mp3 or do something else?
[18:17:14] <Blackknight> the blastwave install instructions don't work, btw
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[18:17:32] <Blackknight> well, trying to set up icecast
[18:17:37] <Blackknight> mpd is my source client
[18:18:09] <Blackknight> moving my music server to zfs, basically
[18:19:02] <codestr0m> give gcc a try. I'm not familiar with suncc (I don't know why it wouldn't work) your error above doesn't give much info
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[18:19:56] <Blackknight> but suncc is supposed to be better, lol
[18:20:11] <_mary_kate_> it's not better if it doesn't compile the software you need
[18:20:41] <Blackknight> true
[18:20:54] <Blackknight> I don't like compiling at all, I'm spoiled by rpmforge
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[18:22:15] <Blackknight> same error
[18:22:20] <Blackknight> it's the linker
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[18:27:01] <jpeirce> I'm having trouble burning iso files in a new install of opensolaris 2008.05, its giving me /usr/bin/cdrecord.bin: Permission denied. Cannot open 'filename.iso'
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[18:28:59] <_setuid_H> Why are there still missing manpages in opensolaris 2008.* ? Hope it's not just another case of "size problem" :-)
[18:29:06] <Blackknight> you have permissions on that file?
[18:29:12] <_mary_kate_> _setuid_H: they aren't free
[18:29:51] <_setuid_H> Sun is famous by "documentating everything"
[18:30:11] <_mary_kate_> you can still read them at docs.sun.com
[18:30:16] <_setuid_H> I know
[18:30:29] <_setuid_H> I have offline version too :-) but what's faster
[18:30:49] <_setuid_H> man foo or firefox docs.sun.com ... ...
[18:30:50] <jbk> unfortunately, i think some of the older man pages aren't redistributable
[18:30:56] <jbk> as silly as that may seem
[18:31:21] <_setuid_H> jbk: maybe I cold just download man consolidation from sxce and "build it"
[18:32:14] <_setuid_H> jbk: do you think it's a patent problem or something like that?
[18:32:41] <jbk> not a patent, but license/copyright probably
[18:32:48] <jbk> that's jsut speculation on my part though
[18:33:26] <_setuid_H> damn one I will afraid of releasing program or document under any licence :-)
[18:33:59] <_setuid_H> no it was a joke :-) cddl is great :-)
[18:35:06] <_setuid_H> jbk: but it's strange Sun is unable to overide its own licence :-)
[18:35:27] <jbk> well if you looks at what's missing
[18:35:32] <jbk> it tends to be for older stuff
[18:35:43] <_setuid_H> some system calls are missing
[18:35:45] <jbk> which is probably stuff they don't have complete control over
[18:36:16] <_setuid_H> I think that I just try to find open but there was just tcl open
[18:37:05] <_setuid_H> jbk: maybe I'm just trying to find one more reason to not change sxce for opensolaris 2008.* AGAIN :-)
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[18:39:36] <_setuid_H> does anybody know is there is some chance to work on the python stderrs in pkg? Or we're waiting for some "idea" how exactly should be exceptions fixed?
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[19:18:23] <sstallion> jbk: around?
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[19:26:17] <jbk> sstallion: kinda, at work.. had an A/C issue
[19:26:29] <jbk> but hopefully will be done here in a bit..
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[20:19:28] <Macabee> lol i have wine with full 3d acceleration and sound running
[20:19:45] <Macabee> runs REALLY well
[20:20:46] <Macabee> in fact - its running fr021 better than windows does
[20:21:08] <e^ipi> i believe it
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[20:21:47] <e^ipi> wine won't run spore creature creator though, which makes me a sad panda
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[20:21:53] <e^ipi> because my mac won't either
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[20:22:47] <Macabee> the only irritating issue i have
[20:22:53] <Macabee> is the OSS hdaudio driver... is...
[20:22:56] <Macabee> crap
[20:23:03] <Macabee> i can't get the volume up on it at all
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[20:24:45] <e^ipi> ossmix/
[20:24:46] <e^ipi> ?
[20:24:50] <e^ipi> or whatever it's called
[20:24:55] <Macabee> ossmix won't up it any higher
[20:25:00] <e^ipi> nfi then
[20:25:07] <Macabee> idd
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[20:28:15] <e^ipi> oh, hey... spore might work actually
[20:28:25] <e^ipi> i just realized that my video card doesn't have texture memory for some reason
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[20:28:36] <e^ipi> like, any
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[20:37:13] <ballChalk> can someone tell me what package /usr/lib/xen/scripts/xpvsys-event should come in ?
[20:37:23] <ballChalk> what's the definitive way?
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[20:39:56] <seanmcg> ballChalk, you mean xpvd-event ?
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[20:44:46] <seanmcg> anyways, browsing the xen src tree shows it should be in the SUNWxvmdomu package
[20:45:23] <ballChalk> i saw a reference to sys-event in some debug logs
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[20:49:37] <seanmcg> think its now xpvd-event, the xpvsys-event went away a few builds ago.
[20:50:47] <ballChalk> ok - i had used http://blogs.sun.com/dminer/entry/indiana_preview_2_now_playing - will need to change the syseventadm add statement then i guess
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[20:51:05] <sstallion> jbk: A/C issue?
[20:53:20] <Macabee> e^ipi: fixed my issue by popping in a spare x-fi
[20:53:24] <Macabee> OSS works better with that :P
[20:53:27] <e^ipi> nice
[20:53:32] <Macabee> so i now have full sound + 3d in Wine
[20:53:35] <e^ipi> i didn't even know the xfi was supported
[20:53:48] <Macabee> its running stuff insanely well
[20:53:51] <Macabee> bye bye windows
[20:53:51] <Macabee> :P
[20:54:43] <e^ipi> windows doesn't really solve any of the problems I have, so i haven't needed it in ages
[20:55:10] <Macabee> my job requires me to be able to run some games/game servers
[20:55:22] <Macabee> so unfortunately i need it in some rare cases
[20:55:54] <e^ipi> you /need/ to run games? for work?
[20:56:02] <e^ipi> where do you work? the candy and puppies factory?
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[20:56:51] <Macabee> heh
[20:57:11] <Macabee> i get paid to write addons/integrations for counter-strike etc.
[20:59:00] <e^ipi> i'm kidding actually, my brother's in games, but i didn't know that wine would be particularly effective for that
[20:59:57] <Macabee> i use crossover on the Mac to run stuff
[21:01:44] <ballChalk> system      SUNWzfsr                        ZFS (Root)
[21:01:44] <ballChalk> system      SUNWzfsu                        ZFS (Usr)
[21:01:50] <ballChalk> misfire
[21:03:24] <Macabee> heh
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[21:51:49] <ruse39> guys, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4508459 this still won't resolved ?
[21:55:49] <Stric> /usr/include/ast/ast_stdio.h:#define asprintf   _ast_asprintf
[21:55:50] <Stric> hrm
[21:56:49] <e^ipi> ast is the ksh93 stuff
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[22:02:17] <ruse39> so snv still haven't got those
[22:02:34] <ruse39> asprintf and vasprintf
[22:03:44] <e^ipi> it does, in the ast stuff
[22:03:49] <e^ipi> not natively though
[22:04:05] <e^ipi> put together an ARC case and a webrev, i'll sponsor it for you
[22:04:24] <ruse39> so looks like I should #include "ast/ast_stdio.h"
[22:05:24] <Stric> this was from snv96 btw
[22:05:30] <ruse39> meh
[22:05:35] <ruse39> I'm on snv95
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[22:08:52] <e^ipi> hmm... can't ssh in to the work machines
[22:08:58] * e^ipi shakes fist at paperwork errors
[22:13:48] <codestr0m> Macabee: did you get WoW running under wine?
[22:14:03] <Macabee> codestr0m: i have a lot of directx 3d demos running
[22:14:08] <Macabee> i'm about to copy wow
[22:14:20] <codestr0m> ok. if you're successful I'd be interested to know
[22:14:21] <Macabee> but thinks like fr021 run flawlessly - which is a very very good indication
[22:14:35] <Macabee> and steam runs too
[22:14:45] <codestr0m> what graphics card?
[22:14:52] <Macabee> 8800
[22:15:23] <codestr0m> Nvidia?
[22:15:27] <codestr0m> (I assume so)
[22:15:34] <Macabee> yes
[22:17:04] <ruse39>  /usr/include/ast/ast_sys.h:138:27: sys/localedef.h: No such file or directory
[22:17:19] <ruse39> hmm, looks like I haven't got localedef.h
[22:17:26] <jbk> or just implement it as a simple wrapper around snprintf
[22:17:32] <jbk> that's what i was going to do
[22:17:38] <codestr0m> ruse39: /usr/include/sys/localedef.h
[22:17:49] <codestr0m> ?
[22:17:56] <jbk> well originally i wanted it to call into the same backend function that snprintf did
[22:18:03] <ruse39> codestr0m, nope :(
[22:18:27] <sstallion> evening jbk
[22:18:29] <codestr0m> ruse39:  usr/include/sys/localedef.h pkg:/SUNWhea at 0 dot 5.11-0.95
[22:18:53] <jbk> then after looking at it, felt madness led that way, and was just going to revert to size_t n; n = snprintf(NULL, ....); s=malloc(n); snprintf(s, ...)
[22:19:12] <codestr0m> Macabee: now what would be really interesting is if the nouveau work was portable to opensolaris :P
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[22:21:41] <ruse39> codestr0m,    VERSION:  11.11,REV=2008.07.10.02.06
[22:22:18] <sstallion> jbk: any chance you've mucked with bzero a bit?
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[22:23:59] <jbk> some
[22:24:14] <jbk> encountering an issue?
[22:25:17] <sstallion> wondering if I need to wrap s1 with BE32 to ensure that the MSB is in the 0th position
[22:25:29] <sstallion> i'm bcopying from a uint32_t to an array of uint8_t
[22:26:08] <sstallion> btw, i created a prototypes dir in drivers; created a driver prototype for BSD and for CDDL
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[22:27:16] <jbk> s1?
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[22:28:07] <sstallion> source
[22:28:30] <sstallion> too many abbrevs ;)
[22:28:45] <sstallion> basically i'm taking a 32bit address and copying it to an array of 4 bytes
[22:29:14] <sstallion> IIRC, bcopy is just a copy of how the underlying memory is laid out, which means endianess applies
[22:29:35] <jbk> well it's just a byte for byte copy
[22:29:40] <sstallion> right
[22:29:53] <sstallion> so a uint32_t on LE will be different than BE
[22:29:58] <jbk> so in this case the resulting array is going to correspond to whatever endianess the source is
[22:30:11] <sstallion> *nod*
[22:30:33] <sstallion> so WRT the array, I am only interested in the the upper 16 bits
[22:30:41] <sstallion> so if its BE, then that corresponds to indexes 0 and 1
[22:31:37] * sstallion hrms.
[22:31:49] <jbk> is the source value 'native' endianness?
[22:32:28] <sstallion> yeah
[22:32:41] <sstallion> i want the target to be in network byte order
[22:32:48] <jbk> then converting to BE could work
[22:32:49] <sstallion> I may need to keep it as LE
[22:32:56] <sstallion> running a test now
[22:33:04] <jbk> or you could just >> 16
[22:33:42] <sstallion> *nod*
[22:33:45] <jbk> then & 0x0000FFFF
[22:33:49] <sstallion> was trying to keep from getting too messy
[22:33:59] <sstallion> because all four bytes need to be pulled out for one reason or another
[22:34:06] <sstallion> 8bit registers are annoying
[22:36:25] <sstallion> yeah
[22:36:32] <sstallion> looks like wrapping it with LE_32 is correct
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[22:38:14] <ruse39> heh
[22:38:43] <ruse39> pacman now working in belenix :)
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[22:52:44] <ruse39> jbk, you need wrapper sources ?
[22:53:28] <ruse39> http://pastebin.ca/1190860
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[22:54:03] <_setuid_H> Evening all
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[22:57:20] <e^ipi> heya timsf
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[23:02:43] <timsf> yo e^ipi
[23:02:50] <e^ipi> how goes it?
[23:03:19] <timsf> mostly good - more midnight oil to burn I think.
[23:03:59] <_setuid_H> damn spammers g11-discuss list is full of spam
[23:04:18] <MeP3aBeu> How to see all disks that OS can see?
[23:04:28] <_setuid_H> format
[23:04:36] <seanmcg> timsf, you work too much these days :)
[23:04:44] <_setuid_H> Mep3aBeu: the format command
[23:05:03] <e^ipi> timsf: some deadline's approaching or smthin?
[23:05:10] <MeP3aBeu> thnx
[23:05:34] <timsf> yeah - will talk about it more once the deadline's passed :-)
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[23:09:17] <e^ipi> *nod*
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[23:13:33] <_setuid_H> Pietro_S_: Hi
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[23:22:14] <Pietro_S_> _setuid_H: hello, gn
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