October 30, 2007 
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October 30, 2007 [00:00:24] <PinkFreud> am I grasping at straws, or is this remotely possible to pull off? [00:01:20] <tomww> PinkFreud: whats the purpose of reading hte offset? [00:01:54] <PinkFreud> tomww: I'm attempting to mount the root partition in linux. [00:02:02] <PinkFreud> again, this is on a disk image, not an actual device. [00:02:28] <PinkFreud> all I've managed to get so far is: [00:02:29] <PinkFreud> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [00:02:29] <PinkFreud> /dev/loop/0p1 * 2 1874 15044872+ bf Solaris [00:02:59] <PinkFreud> wonderful. I know where the pc partition is. Now if I could only get the contents of the disklabel... :) [00:05:25] <tomww> hmm. is there a way to present the file back to the kernel as a real block-device... to have the kernel automaticly detect the partitions.... [00:06:04] <PinkFreud> tomww: not that I've found. presenting it as a loopback device does have the kernel see it as a block device... but not one it can do partition detection on. [00:06:05] <flyingparchment> export it via iscsi and mount it again? ;) [00:06:13] <tomww> on the other hand, 8225280 x 2 = block-offset from the beginning of the file, so loop-mount with offset could be usefull [00:06:14] <PinkFreud> # sfdisk -R /dev/loop/0 [00:06:15] <PinkFreud> BLKRRPART: Invalid argument [00:06:33] <PinkFreud> I attmepted to have sfdisk tell the kernel to re-read the partition table on that device. No go. [00:07:30] <PinkFreud> mount -oro,ufstype=sunx86,offset=8225280 -t ufs /dev/loop/0 /media/tmp/ [00:07:36] <PinkFreud> mount -oro,ufstype=sunx86,offset=$((8225280*2)) -t ufs /dev/loop/0 /media/tmp/ [00:07:41] <PinkFreud> I've tried both. neither work. [00:07:42] *** yippi has quit IRC [00:07:53] <PinkFreud> wrong fs type, bad option, ... [00:08:02] <PinkFreud> error is: ufs_read_super: bad magic number [00:08:43] <PinkFreud> this would be a lot easier if I could find *some* utility that could print out the contents of the disklabel. [00:08:59] <flyingparchment> maybe prtvtoc would compile on linux? (probably not though) [00:09:10] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [00:09:19] <PinkFreud> flyingparchment: bleh. I'm not going to hold my breath for that. [00:09:25] <tomww> one should have a working example of a read disk in a system bootet with linux and a sunx86 ufs partiton on the disk [00:09:42] <PinkFreud> tomww: ? [00:09:53] <tomww> s/read// [00:10:26] <tomww> the same as you have, but on a real device [00:10:29] <PinkFreud> I was actually attempting to set up a Xen domU with opensolaris. [00:10:45] <PinkFreud> was following the instructions at http://wiki.tardis.ed.ac.uk/index.php/OpenSolaris_Xen_domU to do this. [00:10:47] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [00:11:39] <PinkFreud> got through the install, though for some reason, the network in the domU wasn't working. instead of trying to scp the installed kernel + ramdisk, I figured it'd be easier to determine the offset of the root fs, mount it, and copy. [00:11:57] <PinkFreud> ... two hours later, I'm still banging my head against a brick wall. [00:12:16] <Pietro_S> PinkFreud: if you install 75 build, you get Xen like another boot menu I would start there [00:12:25] <tomww> hmm. mount -t ufs -oloop,ro,ufstype=sunx86,offset=8225280 /this/is/sourcediskimage /media/tmp [00:12:39] <PinkFreud> tomww: ufs_read_super: bad magic number [00:13:10] <PinkFreud> that's the offset of the beginning of the disklabel [00:13:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:13:22] <PinkFreud> how far into the disklabel is the first slice actually located? [00:13:43] <tomww> I think the linux kernel does som magic, to decode the partitions.... you have compiled in every ufs-thing in the kernel, just for sure [00:14:41] *** bigredradio has left #opensolaris [00:15:03] <PinkFreud> there's quite a bit of magic here. [00:15:09] <PinkFreud> none of it makes sense :) [00:15:58] <PinkFreud> this is why I'm surprised that one apparently cannot view a sun disklabel in linux, outside of the kernel autodetecting it. [00:16:32] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [00:20:00] <tomww> PinkFreud: I'll have to go to bed now (past tmidnight) [00:20:09] <PinkFreud> I need to get going as well [00:20:16] <PinkFreud> doesn't look possible, does it? [00:20:52] <tomww> PinkFreud: you should look into dmsetup (and possibly losetup) to have the thing recognized by the linux-kernelr and hopefully it build the /dev/sd?? entries matching the partitons [00:23:07] <PinkFreud> I considered using lvm for the backend, but I wanted an image I could move easily. [00:25:09] <tomww> PinkFreud: 16x512 bytes + 8225280 or 16x512 bytes + 2x8225280 but now I'm #defined EIDEAS [00:25:12] <tomww> night all [00:25:13] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [00:25:22] <PinkFreud> yeah, tried bot. [00:25:24] <PinkFreud> both [00:25:44] <PinkFreud> and I'm out of ideas as well. [00:25:51] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [00:25:58] <PinkFreud> have a good night, and thank you [00:26:45] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [00:27:47] <tomww> PinkFreund http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html [00:29:38] *** binarycrusader has joined #opensolaris [00:31:50] *** libkeise1 is now known as libkeiser [00:34:15] <Plaidrab> : has this image of Solaris on Dome2s and breaks out in hives. [00:35:15] <Plaidrab> bigredradio /etc/profile, not /etc/.profile [00:37:25] <Plaidrab> And caught up. heh [00:40:31] *** cypromis has quit IRC [00:44:50] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [00:46:04] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [00:49:12] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [00:54:16] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [00:56:29] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [00:57:54] *** pfa3rh has quit IRC [00:58:59] *** jmcp has quit IRC [01:02:27] *** delewis has quit IRC [01:02:38] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [01:03:22] *** CpuID2 has joined #opensolaris [01:05:44] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [01:09:08] <binarycrusader> Anyone seen rlowe? [01:09:27] <binarycrusader> nm [01:10:24] <jbk> evening [01:11:28] <binarycrusader> good evening [01:11:38] *** yippi has quit IRC [01:15:51] *** l1s has quit IRC [01:16:03] <jbk> sup? [01:16:56] <binarycrusader> just pulling the latest code tree from onnv-scm [01:17:06] <binarycrusader> figured it's about time I finished up my bug with my sponsor [01:18:39] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [01:19:35] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [01:19:52] <jbk> hey jmcp [01:22:29] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [01:25:29] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [01:25:30] *** JBeck has quit IRC [01:39:34] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [01:40:05] *** hsn_ has joined #opensolaris [01:42:05] *** jmcp has quit IRC [01:48:15] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [01:52:04] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [01:58:57] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [02:10:10] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [02:12:07] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [02:15:26] *** SchwarzeKrause has quit IRC [02:17:03] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:18:27] *** pitty has joined #opensolaris [02:18:31] <jmcp> good morning all [02:18:40] <binarycrusader> 'mornin [02:19:03] <jbk> hello [02:19:21] *** paulf has joined #opensolaris [02:19:24] *** Fish has quit IRC [02:19:47] <paulf> Hello [02:20:03] <jmcp> anything interesting happening? [02:20:24] <jbk> not at the moment [02:21:00] <paulf> I just arrived, but it's debatable wheher that's interesting :) [02:21:01] <jmcp> phew [02:21:21] <jmcp> paulf: did you arrive with a clap of thunder and thunderbolt? [02:21:26] <wesolows> I'm thinking about getting drunk later on [02:21:35] <wesolows> that's kind of interesting, to me at least [02:21:38] <jbk> :) [02:21:44] <paulf> jmcp: yeah, but depending on how far away you are, it might take some time for you to hear it [02:22:07] <jmcp> :-0 [02:22:16] <jmcp> wesolows: I'm waiting for friday night before I try that [02:22:33] <jmcp> it's easier to get drunk on a plane at 34000 feet [02:22:49] <wesolows> no it's not; they cut you off [02:23:05] <jmcp> you're assuming I need a lot of booze to get drunk :-) [02:23:07] <wesolows> and the booze is really expensive [02:23:11] <jbk> i forgot to utilize my drink coupons on the flight to/from the summit [02:23:12] <wesolows> also limited selection [02:23:18] <jbk> but probably just as well [02:23:26] <jmcp> wesolows: international flights - it's free [02:23:29] <wesolows> real drunks travel by train [02:23:31] <jbk> since i had to drive after landing [02:23:40] <jmcp> wesolows: yeah, I remember that from my yoof [02:23:41] <wesolows> jmcp: hmm, maybe a few airlines still do that. I know some of them stopped. [02:24:02] <jmcp> wesolows: qantas and united still give you a heckuvalot of free booze [02:24:16] <jmcp> certainly more than enough for me [02:24:19] <jbk> uugh united [02:24:25] <wesolows> I definitely heard that American stopped doing that. Not sure about others. [02:24:32] <jbk> i suppose though the free booze could help compensate.. [02:24:41] <wesolows> Of course United is so bad they probably figure they don't have a choice. [02:24:59] <jbk> i just hate the airline seats.. soo uncomfortable [02:25:11] <paulf> definitely [02:25:12] <wesolows> I don't think anyone could get me to fly at all these days, but if they wanted to try, they'd have to make it Emirates or Singapore. [02:25:41] <wesolows> jmcp: good luck [02:25:49] <wesolows> I'll drink a few extra for you regardless [02:25:52] <jmcp> jbk: Australia -> USA is a choice of two for direct flights - qantas and united. they both suck [02:25:56] <wesolows> drinking is my hobby [02:25:57] <jmcp> wesolows: thankyou :-) [02:26:00] <jmcp> heh [02:26:05] <jbk> ick.. [02:26:17] * jbk makes note of that if he ever has to go to australia [02:26:20] <jmcp> jbk: hence prices are more than somewhat higher than they might otherwise be [02:26:25] *** aka_druid has quit IRC [02:26:34] <wesolows> why would you want to go to the US? this place is a shithole [02:26:52] <jbk> though i'd probably die on that long of a flight in coach :( [02:27:07] <jmcp> wesolows: to visit you, sweetums :-P [02:27:24] <wesolows> hmm, I didn't think we allow visitors [02:27:25] <jbk> just flying houston->jfk + 3 hr delay (so ~ 7-8 hours) was enough to almost make me wish i had pain meds for me knees [02:27:27] <jmcp> jbk: yeah, 14 hours from SFO to Sydney is shit, no matter whether you're in cattle or business [02:27:50] <binarycrusader> jmcp: lol [02:28:01] <jbk> doesn't business get you a bit more legroom? [02:28:22] <wesolows> they should really just anesthetise people before flying, then stack them up like cargo [02:28:39] <binarycrusader> It would certainly bring honesty to the whole process. [02:28:43] <jmcp> jbk: heaps more, but it's still a shitty experience [02:28:52] <wesolows> I'd rather pass out then wake up at my destination than have to suffer the whole way there [02:29:03] <jmcp> jbk: my only strong recommendation for travel is to make sure you've got functioning noise-cancelling headphones [02:29:04] <jbk> wesolows: i could go for that [02:29:13] <jbk> noise doesn't bother me [02:29:17] * jmcp thinks of The Fifth Element [02:29:26] <wesolows> the noise sucks [02:29:29] <jmcp> jbk: it will on a 14 hour flight [02:29:49] <jbk> i just have issues with legroom + shoulder room [02:29:50] <wesolows> this is why they need to bring back dirigibles for air travel [02:29:59] <paulf> luckily I've never had to be on a 14hr flight [02:30:03] <wesolows> today's travel lacks style and class [02:30:10] <wesolows> and ballrooms [02:30:17] <jmcp> totally agree [02:30:40] <paulf> todays * lacks class, in general [02:31:11] <wesolows> if I have to go to Sydney, I should be able to tango my way there, drink like a mofo, and eat lobster bisque [02:31:19] <wesolows> who cares if it takes 4 days? [02:31:55] <paulf> at least it would be a comfortable 4 days [02:32:03] <wesolows> let's see...and sleep in a bed, and enjoy the observation deck, and be able to have conversations without noise... [02:32:08] <wesolows> yes [02:32:31] <wesolows> this is why I travel by rail on land...but we need to bring back either good quality ship travel or dirigibles for cross-ocean voyages [02:33:26] <paulf> rail is so expensive here in the US :/ [02:33:31] <jbk> unfortunately, rail around here is somewhat of a joke [02:33:59] <wesolows> paulf: well, coach is really cheap and still MUCH more comfortable than air coach, but yeah sleeping cars are pricey [02:33:59] <jbk> just for kicks, i checked to see what'd it be to go houston->austin (about 150 miles) [02:34:03] <jbk> 12 hour trip by train [02:34:07] <wesolows> huh? [02:34:14] <wesolows> must not be a direct route [02:34:21] <billybob> jmcp: you there ? [02:34:27] <wesolows> they send you to st louis or something? [02:34:58] <jbk> well it was 6 hours to san antonio (200 mi) [02:35:01] <jbk> direct [02:35:04] <billybob> jmcp: I think I found my issue from last night . . . BIOS had reset its slef, and the SPD set the incorrect voltage for my memory . . . [02:35:12] <wesolows> yeah...slow but not that unusual [02:35:14] <jbk> then have to wait for a few hours for the train to austin [02:35:21] <jbk> so i drove [02:35:26] <wesolows> bummer [02:35:37] <paulf> they need regional bullet trains [02:35:38] <wesolows> it's 0.000001 degrees C warmer because of you [02:35:45] <jbk> well not too bad except for a small stretch of 4 lane highway (no median) w/ a 70 mph speed limit :) [02:35:50] <wesolows> paulf: we have 'em. Just need a whole lot more of 'em. [02:36:16] <jbk> that's a bit unsettling driving that fast with cars + semis driving just as fast coming towards you with 6-9" of separation [02:36:33] <wesolows> the northeast has very fast trains, and the northern california region has trains that go 60-80mph. [02:36:46] <wesolows> which is fast enough, though of course I wouldn't mind 220. [02:36:55] <jbk> northeast it makes sense [02:37:04] <jbk> i actualyl did that nyc<->boston [02:37:08] <paulf> I'm in central Illinois, and all we've got is Amtrack to Chicago [02:37:25] <wesolows> everybody has amtrak to chicago, because every line goes through it :-) [02:37:27] <jbk> even though it was a bit slower than flying, i figured by the time you figure out the airport hassle, it was awash [02:37:34] <paulf> does maybe 60MPH [02:37:44] <jbk> and the seats are larger, more comfortable, a/c in each seat [02:38:00] *** NikolaVeber_ has quit IRC [02:38:11] <paulf> it is fairly comfortable, but it only runs about twice a day [02:38:19] <jbk> yeah, same for houston [02:38:22] <jbk> two trains/day [02:38:25] <jbk> one at 5am, one at 9pm [02:38:46] <paulf> we have 6 & 6 or something like that [02:40:52] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:42:33] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [02:42:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [02:42:35] <binarycrusader> is anyone around that knows how to get a lint library to "push down into proto/root_i386 and proto/root_sparc" [02:43:14] <wesolows> don't really understand what that means [02:43:43] <binarycrusader> hrm...let me try to clarify [02:44:11] *** neoxed has quit IRC [02:44:29] <binarycrusader> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/754510 [02:44:42] <binarycrusader> My sponsor told me he was receiving that build error while building ON with my change [02:45:07] <binarycrusader> He then proceeded to tell me that we needed to get the lint library I added to "push down into proto/root_i386 and proto/root_sparc" [02:45:15] <binarycrusader> Which means little to me [02:45:35] <binarycrusader> Best I can tell, apparently I've not got something quite right in one of the makefiles [02:45:42] <binarycrusader> that installs the lint library into the proto area [02:45:50] <binarycrusader> which is used internally when Sun does a build to create packages [02:46:19] <wesolows> maybe he means that the lint library isn't getting installed into the proto area? [02:46:35] <binarycrusader> That's what I was thinking [02:46:42] <wesolows> well, the package build is Solaris-only but the right stuff getting into the proto area is not [02:46:43] <binarycrusader> I'm in the process of doing a clean nightly to see what's going on [02:47:02] <binarycrusader> The webrev is here: http://cr.opensolaris.org/~tdh/6397024/ [02:47:05] <wesolows> are you adding a new library? [02:47:07] <wesolows> ok [02:47:11] <binarycrusader> Lint library, yes. [02:47:21] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [02:47:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [02:47:23] <binarycrusader> New library, no. [02:47:40] <wesolows> ok...so there's an existing library that's not being shipped with a lint library, and you're adding it [02:47:45] <binarycrusader> *yes* [02:47:50] <wesolows> this is librpcsvc presumably [02:47:50] <binarycrusader> librpcsvc I believe [02:47:59] <wesolows> I'm with you [02:48:15] <binarycrusader> Everything appears to be right for the prototype stuff [02:48:23] <binarycrusader> However, I have no experience with this part of the build process [02:48:36] <binarycrusader> So far, all of my past changes haven't involved adding *new* files [02:48:43] <binarycrusader> So, nothing surrounding the prototype area has had to be changed [02:48:49] <binarycrusader> Thus, I'm a little ignorant of what to do [02:48:56] <wesolows> you almost certainly need to add $(ROOTLINTLIB) or similar to the i386/Makefile et al [02:49:03] <wesolows> otherwise it won't get installed [02:49:07] <wesolows> let me find you a good example [02:49:23] <binarycrusader> That would be helpful [02:49:26] <wesolows> look at libproc [02:49:47] <binarycrusader> Ah.... [02:49:56] <wesolows> actually I wonder if libproc is right for 64-bit [02:51:05] <binarycrusader> Yes, since i386 and sparc have ROOTLINT but amd64 does not [02:51:06] <binarycrusader> Fascinating [02:51:15] <wesolows> I think that's busted [02:51:29] <binarycrusader> Hrm...only way to find out is to find another amd64 lib with ROOTLINT [02:51:42] <wesolows> it's probably ROOTLINT64 though [02:51:51] <wesolows> I'm looking for other examples; libproc seems odd [02:51:52] <jbk> what about usr/src/Targetdirs ? [02:51:53] <binarycrusader> There are 7 in ON [02:52:06] <jbk> it looks (at first glance) that perhaps you need [02:52:09] <binarycrusader> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libintl/amd64/Makefile [02:52:16] <wesolows> ok libdtrace has it right [02:52:30] <binarycrusader> It looks like ROOTLINT64 is the most common use [02:52:34] <binarycrusader> 36 of them [02:52:36] <wesolows> yes that's correct [02:52:46] <wesolows> well, there you go [02:52:49] <binarycrusader> So the 7 with ROOTLINT instead of ROOTLINT64 is broken? [02:52:53] <wesolows> I'm glad we had this little chat [02:53:04] <binarycrusader> <g> [02:54:04] <binarycrusader> So then, should I file a bug for the 7 libs that use ROOTLINT instead of ROOTLINT64? [02:54:28] <binarycrusader> for amd64? [02:55:20] <jbk> binarycrusader: might want to also try adding '$(ROOT)/usr/lib/llib-lrpcsvc.ln:= REALPATH=../../lib/llib-lrpcsvc.ln" and such.. i see entries there for the other stuff in that package [02:55:25] <jbk> to usr/src/Targetdirs [02:55:38] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [02:55:50] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [02:55:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [02:56:00] <binarycrusader> jbk: did I ever mention what a maze the ON build system is? [02:56:01] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [02:56:29] <jbk> heh [02:56:56] * jmcp returns [02:57:06] <jbk> i asked about simplifying the build process, and the answer was more or less 'what's wrong with it?' [02:57:13] <jmcp> billybob: hey, that's good news that you found the cause [02:57:22] <binarycrusader> jbk: are you sure about that? [02:57:25] <binarycrusader> jbk: (adding the line) [02:57:30] <binarycrusader> jbk: it seems like that's all /usr/ccs/lib related [02:57:53] <jbk> binarycrusader: there's entries for llib-lresolv (for example) in there [02:57:53] <billybob> jmcp: I am still aggrivated over that, but at least we know(i think) thatit was not solaris's fault ; ) [02:58:05] <jmcp> billybob: yeah [02:58:05] <binarycrusader> true [02:58:14] <jbk> so just wondering if that's what's missing... [02:58:16] *** Tekni has joined #opensolaris [02:58:17] <binarycrusader> jbk: is there a particular spot it goes? [02:58:23] <binarycrusader> jbk: or just asciibetical? [02:58:28] <jbk> *shrug* no idea [02:58:39] <jbk> i was just going on 'where do the other libs in the package show up in the build files' [02:58:48] <jbk> not on any deep understanding of what those files do :) [02:58:56] <billybob> however, I may SAY, I am going to install etch, or whatever else instead(and I actually did) but I rarely give up that easily :) [02:59:22] <jbk> i would agree that the build process for ON seems overly complicated [02:59:54] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC [02:59:54] <billybob> anyhow hopefully I can get these ethernet drivers rolled in on my own now after your help last night, and see what Dtrace/ZFS, and all the other goodies are all about [03:00:18] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [03:01:03] <jmcp> billybob: I'm glad you're giving Solaris a chance [03:01:25] *** auto359 has joined #opensolaris [03:01:30] <billybob> me too [03:03:05] *** TomJ has quit IRC [03:04:48] <binarycrusader> wesolows: hey,, thanks, I'm going to make the changes you and jbk suggested and run an incremental [03:04:59] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [03:05:05] <binarycrusader> wesolows: you've had the most helpful response so far of anyone [03:05:22] <binarycrusader> wesolows: everywhere else i've asked, people don't know ON, or they're silent [03:05:35] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [03:05:42] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [03:05:49] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [03:06:31] *** aka_druid has joined #opensolaris [03:06:48] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [03:10:35] *** dakrone has joined #opensolaris [03:11:41] <wesolows> binarycrusader: well, happy to help [03:12:00] <wesolows> the 7 that use ROOTLINT may or may not be buggy [03:12:30] <wesolows> you'd have to look carefully - they probably are bugs though - see if /usr/lib/llib-l*.ln are the same as the file in /usr/lib/64/llib-l*.ln. If they are, it's broken. [03:12:54] <binarycrusader> For those 7 libs? [03:12:59] *** stevel has quit IRC [03:13:26] <wesolows> yes [03:13:31] <wesolows> which 7 are they? [03:14:50] <binarycrusader> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=ROOTLINT&defs=&refs=&path=amd64&hist=&project=%2Fonnv [03:16:16] <wesolows> libintl is almost surely busted [03:16:38] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [03:17:20] <wesolows> hmm it's hard to tell [03:17:30] <binarycrusader> The files aren't the same [03:17:30] <wesolows> they don't seem to be exactly the same file [03:17:37] <binarycrusader> Indeed [03:18:17] <wesolows> see, Makefile.lib.64 *could* solve this [03:18:20] <wesolows> but it doesn't [03:18:28] *** fredm has quit IRC [03:19:08] <binarycrusader> librestart doesn't appear to install it's lint library at all [03:19:21] <wesolows> maybe because it's not public? [03:19:24] <wesolows> (speculating only) [03:19:28] <binarycrusader> possibly [03:19:54] <jbk> perhaps a stupid question, but what is the point of shipping the lint libraries? [03:20:03] <wesolows> so that people can lint against them [03:20:06] <flyingparchment> jbk: so you can lint code that links to them [03:20:07] <wesolows> it's extremely useful [03:20:15] <wesolows> and I really really hate that a lot of SFW doesn't ship them [03:20:20] <jbk> ahh ok [03:20:33] <flyingparchment> that's probably because autosuck doesn't know anything about lint ;) [03:20:37] <binarycrusader> the files seem to differ for all 7 of them [03:20:40] <binarycrusader> wesolows: [03:20:47] <wesolows> yeah I don't understand that [03:21:08] <binarycrusader> dear <insert deity here> a full build takes forever [03:21:19] <jbk> yep :) [03:21:28] * binarycrusader pounds head [03:21:40] <wesolows> the failur emode there should actually be that no lint library gets installed in /usr/lib/amd64 and the 32- and 64-bit builds race to see who puts the one in /usr/lib [03:21:41] <binarycrusader> this is why I do incremental builds normally [03:21:43] <jbk> i suppose if you cut out the gcc parallel build that'd help [03:21:51] <binarycrusader> I did [03:21:54] <binarycrusader> CW_NO_SHADOW=1 [03:21:55] <wesolows> and I've seen this failure mode many times myself when writing broken makefiles :-) [03:22:04] <wesolows> shadow build isn't really the expensive part [03:22:13] <wesolows> studio is very very slow, and the makefiles aren't very efficient [03:22:21] <binarycrusader> It's doing the lint thing at the moment I believe [03:22:37] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris [03:23:44] *** cypromis has quit IRC [03:24:46] <pitty> i just added a swap file and was looking for the nfs client xml to bring it up on boot up - other than implementing my own startup script, does anyone know which xml file to reference for new swap files ? [03:25:32] <wesolows> ok, I get it now [03:25:41] <wesolows> ROOTLINT= $(LINTSRC:%=$(ROOTLINTDIR)/%) [03:25:46] <wesolows> ROOTLINTDIR= $(ROOTLIBDIR) [03:26:37] <binarycrusader> eh? [03:27:29] <jmcp> pitty: you add swap on boot using entries in /etc/vfstab [03:27:34] <wesolows> I'm confused again, hang one [03:27:35] <jmcp> man vfstab for more info [03:27:41] <jmcp> on what? [03:27:44] <jmcp> or for what? [03:27:57] <auto359> hi j [03:28:39] <auto359> we had decent rain & storms on w/e in brissy, fried 2 pc's ... [03:30:15] <wesolows> it looks like it may work by accident [03:30:38] <jmcp> auto359: hi - yeah, my wife was terrified, spent an hour on the mobile with her being the calming voice. Cat was terrified too [03:30:43] <pitty> yeah, i did that but remember how in previous releases you can either run swap -a $DEV or /etc/init.d/nfs.client to add more swap. i was wondering if similar functionality was ported into smf to make it available without rebooting or manually running swap -a ? [03:31:10] <jmcp> pitty: I don't understand your objection to running swap -a [03:31:39] <pitty> no objection here.. just that in old releases, i was able to simulate the reboot effect via running /etc/init.d/nfs.client [03:31:45] <jbk> why would you add it to nfs.client? [03:31:52] <jmcp> pitty: and I really don't recall doing that via nfs.client either [03:32:01] <jamesd> jmcp, perhaps he wants to use SMF, so that if nfs client goes away it removes the swapfile.... [03:32:08] <pitty> it was in solaris 8 for sure [03:32:17] <pitty> it ran the swap -a function [03:32:17] <jmcp> there is clearly context here that I'm missing [03:32:43] <pitty> also 2.6 [03:32:45] <jmcp> pitty: let's get this straight: you have a swap file. you want it to be mounted on boot? [03:32:50] <pitty> yes [03:33:02] <auto359> jmcp: no good about your better .5 and the cat, seems my surge protector didn't ... [03:33:09] <jmcp> pitty: and you don't seem to want to edit /etc/vfstab like I suggested, which is the canonical place to enter that sort of information [03:33:16] <jmcp> auto359: damn [03:33:27] *** dark_matter has quit IRC [03:34:14] <auto359> i learned something today, a G4 powerbook can run it's native screen and a plugin LCD widescreen ... very sexy, but i want my SXDE back [03:34:36] <paulf> later [03:34:36] *** paulf has quit IRC [03:34:49] <jmcp> auto359: xinerama / twinview mode - it's 133t [03:34:59] <binarycrusader> wesolows: bizarre [03:35:05] <pitty> jmcp: i have no objection to /etc/vfstab, i know thats where it set upon boot up but in older releases, after editting you can stop and start the nfs client to make it available, instead of using swap -a $DEV.. i liked that way because it simulated what happened on bootup [03:35:08] <binarycrusader> wesolows: I can't seem to figure out this ROOTLINT vs .ROOTLINT64 thing either [03:35:14] <binarycrusader> wesolows: it mysteriously works [03:35:15] <auto359> jmcp: ta [03:35:52] <pitty> jmcp: so i was wondering if such functionality was available in 5.10 [03:36:17] <wesolows> binarycrusader: I know how it's supposed to work but I can't figure out how it works by accident with ROOTLINT [03:36:27] <jmcp> pitty: try running "svcadm restart nfs/client" [03:36:53] <jmcp> pitty: and read through /lib/svc/method/nfs-client too [03:37:23] <pitty> jmcp: ah, okay, that's what i was looking for [03:37:41] <pitty> i kept searching the /var/lib/svc and /etc/svc paths never /lib/svc [03:37:52] <pitty> jmcp: thx [03:37:56] <jmcp> nowurries [03:38:26] <jmcp> all the /etc/init.d scripts that have been ported to SMF are found in /lib/svc/method, although not necessarily with the same names [03:39:20] <pitty> okay, got it, its been a while since i went looking for such info, it totally slipped my mind [03:41:54] <wesolows> binarycrusader: ok I get it [03:42:14] <wesolows> binarycrusader: ROOTLINT is the lint source (the common/llib-lwhatever file that you write) [03:42:38] <binarycrusader> yeah? [03:42:43] <wesolows> binarycrusader: ROOTLIBS and ROOTLIBS64 are defined by Makefile.lib to be [03:42:44] <wesolows> ROOTLIBS= $(LIBS:%=$(ROOTLIBDIR)/%) [03:42:45] <wesolows> ROOTLIBS64= $(LIBS:%=$(ROOTLIBDIR64)/%) [03:43:03] <wesolows> So when you say install: $(ROOTLIBS64) it includes the lint library [03:43:30] <wesolows> So my advice regarding adding $(ROOTLINT) seems to be relevant only for 32-bit subdirs (it's harmless to do all but pointless as well) [03:43:44] *** Pauliukas has joined #opensolaris [03:43:47] *** RainDoctor is now known as _gavagai [03:43:48] <Pauliukas> Are there any download mirrors for Solaris? [03:43:53] <Pauliukas> I'm trying to wget the official downloads but I get a URL too long error. [03:44:49] <jmcp> Pauliukas: there are no mirrors. Use the -o option to wget, and enclose the url in "" [03:44:50] <wesolows> binarycrusader: That's almost certainly what was failing - you probably had the 32-bit and 64-bit lint libraries in the proto area just fine, but the lint souce file was missing from /usr/lib [03:45:05] <wesolows> binarycrusader: So adding $(ROOTLINT) to i386/Makefile and sparc/Makefile only should cure it. [03:45:14] <wesolows> binarycrusader: if that's not what he was referring to, I'm at a loss. [03:45:21] <binarycrusader> What about amd64? [03:45:26] <binarycrusader> Should I add ROOTLINT64 ? [03:45:36] <wesolows> shouldn't be needed [03:45:37] <Pauliukas> jmcp: No luck. It's not saying that I'm missing a URL. [03:45:43] <Pauliukas> I'm using CentOS, just fyi. [03:45:54] <Pauliukas> Maybe it uses different wget syntax than Solaris would. [03:45:56] <jmcp> Pauliukas: so don't use wget, use a browser [03:46:01] <jmcp> no, it doesn't use different syntax [03:46:06] <Pauliukas> It's a headless machien. [03:46:09] <wesolows> binarycrusader: it seems like it evaluates to nothing :-) [03:46:13] <binarycrusader> wesolows: So I don't need $(ROOTLINT) either anyway? [03:46:18] <binarycrusader> for amd64? [03:46:23] <jmcp> Pauliukas: export the DISPLAY to somewhere that does have a head [03:46:37] <Pauliukas> too complex. I just want to darn wget it. [03:46:38] <wesolows> binarycrusader: no [03:46:59] <Pauliukas> Btw, wget -o is a logfile option. [03:47:02] <wesolows> binarycrusader: it's just a source file, like a header. Only one installed copy is needed and it goes in /usr/lib [03:47:05] <libkeiser> Pauliukas: wget -O [03:47:05] <Pauliukas> What would it change? [03:47:08] <Pauliukas> Ah. [03:47:08] <binarycrusader> wesolows: ah [03:47:15] <jmcp> ah, yeah -O [03:47:16] <jmcp> sorry [03:47:21] <binarycrusader> wesolows: So why do so many have it then in their amd64 makefile? [03:47:24] <Pauliukas> still same error though [03:47:25] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC [03:47:30] <wesolows> yeah ROOTLINT64 is a red herring; it does nothing. Try make -n -dd install 2>&1 | grep ROOTLINT64 in usr/src/lib/libdtrace for example [03:47:32] <jmcp> Pauliukas: running DISPLAY=hostname:0.0 firefox is more difficult than running wget $blahblahblah ? [03:47:53] <Pauliukas> Yes. [03:47:55] <wesolows> binarycrusader: now you have reached the realm of questions I cannot answer. :-) [03:47:59] <Pauliukas> Because I've never exported stuff in my life. [03:48:06] <binarycrusader> wesolows: Such a fun realm [03:48:12] *** dakrone has left #opensolaris [03:48:22] <wesolows> Usually someone did it wrong once, then everyone copied it [03:48:30] <Pauliukas> wget --help |grep O [03:48:31] <wesolows> and because it looks sane, and works correctly, people kept copying it [03:48:43] <Pauliukas> Sure it's that one? [03:48:46] <libkeiser> YES [03:48:50] <jmcp> YES DAMMIT [03:48:53] <Pauliukas> lol [03:49:06] * jmcp wasn't in a good mood to start the day with already [03:49:07] <jmcp> grrrrr [03:49:08] <libkeiser> you're misinterpreting the error message -- it's not url too long; it's filename too long for filesystem [03:49:12] <Pauliukas> Oh... It was... [03:49:23] <Pauliukas> wget -O filename.zip http://urlgoeshere.com [03:49:25] <Pauliukas> Geez [03:49:33] <Pauliukas> 1.49M/s ETA 11:47 [03:49:41] <Pauliukas> Oh good game. Only getting 1.5MB/s [03:49:54] <wesolows> binarycrusader: there is exactly one place where ROOTLINT64 is defined, in libcurses/Makefile.com, and its definition is wrong [03:50:07] <binarycrusader> heh [03:50:10] <wesolows> binarycrusader: and you can see that it's wrong, and what it's doing too - just look in /usr/lib/amd64 on your system [03:50:19] <wesolows> binarycrusader: See a pattern? See who breaks the pattern? [03:50:22] <binarycrusader> wesolows: actually, there are five places [03:50:25] <binarycrusader> wesolows: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=ROOTLINT64%3D&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=&project=%2Fonnv [03:50:39] *** jimm3rs has joined #opensolaris [03:51:10] <wesolows> binarycrusader: yeah, I meant in usr/src/lib. I don't care about ucblib although it's interesting to see that libcurses is broken both places [03:51:25] <wesolows> every single instance of ROOTLINT64 is a bug [03:51:59] <binarycrusader> wesolows: wrong how? [03:52:04] <binarycrusader> wesolows: the files differ [03:52:09] <wesolows> eh? [03:52:14] * wesolows looks at libcurses [03:52:22] *** hsn_ has quit IRC [03:52:25] <binarycrusader> if you're talking about the .ln files [03:52:32] <binarycrusader> diff -u /usr/lib/llib-lcurses /usr/lib/64/llib-lcurses [03:52:34] <binarycrusader> no differences [03:52:43] <binarycrusader> diff -u /usr/lib/llib-lcurses.ln /usr/lib/64/llib-lcurses.ln [03:52:45] <binarycrusader> differences [03:52:55] <wesolows> oh [03:52:56] <wesolows> not the .ln [03:52:59] <wesolows> the others [03:53:16] <wesolows> notice that the only llib-lwhatever (no .ln) in /usr/lib/amd64 is llib=lcurses? [03:53:34] <wesolows> that's because libcurses is the only makefile that actually defines ROOTLINT64 [03:53:38] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [03:53:51] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [03:53:52] <wesolows> the others it just evaluates to nothing, so nothing gets installed there [03:54:02] <wesolows> this is really quite funny [03:54:07] <binarycrusader> wesolows: uh.... [03:54:16] <binarycrusader> wesolows: I have lots of files in /usr/lib/amd64 there are for llib-* [03:54:33] <wesolows> yes [03:54:38] <wesolows> but they are all llib-*.ln [03:55:11] <binarycrusader> /usr/lib/amd64/llib-lcurses /usr/lib/amd64/llib-ltermcap /usr/lib/amd64/llib-ltermlib [03:55:14] <wesolows> wesolows@fallout:~ $ ls /usr/lib/amd64/llib-l* | grep -v '\.ln' [03:55:14] <wesolows> /usr/lib/amd64/llib-lcurses [03:55:14] <wesolows> /usr/lib/amd64/llib-ltermcap [03:55:14] <wesolows> /usr/lib/amd64/llib-ltermlib [03:55:17] <wesolows> yeah [03:55:19] <wesolows> all libcurses [03:55:40] <binarycrusader> heh [03:55:53] * binarycrusader checks b.o.o [03:56:27] <binarycrusader> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4456822 [03:59:17] <binarycrusader> seems as though Peter Memishian found this already [03:59:47] *** jcsmith has joined #opensolaris [04:03:18] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [04:07:14] *** halton has quit IRC [04:08:15] *** xtrondo has joined #OpenSolaris [04:08:38] *** nasser has joined #OpenSolaris [04:08:59] <nasser> when Indiana release ? [04:09:42] <Gman> nasser, soon [04:10:02] <nasser> <Gman> about! [04:10:17] <Gman> ever heard of guam? [04:10:46] <jmcp> yeah [04:10:49] <jmcp> little island in the Pacific [04:11:10] <dclarke> near the international date line I hear [04:11:32] <Gman> that'll have the first release party :) [04:11:41] <jbk> :) [04:11:47] <dclarke> you expect a party ? [04:13:00] <dclarke> ah geez .. the gate just updated [04:13:10] <dclarke> gotta go do an hg update here [04:13:30] <dclarke> oh .. no need .. licensing and getting started guide it says [04:14:10] <dclarke> Gman : are you working on the IPS/SUNWipkg concept also ? [04:15:58] <xtrondo> any1 else notice a small bug in gnome panel of b75?, sometimes tabs of minimized windows don't *render* well... [04:16:23] <dclarke> didn't notice .. whatever that sounds really really minor [04:16:40] <Triskelios> xtrondo: I've seen what looks like pixmap corruption on the buttons in the taskbar, yeah [04:16:50] <Triskelios> it's very sporadic [04:16:54] <xtrondo> yes [04:17:11] <Triskelios> I assumed it was compiz screwing up. are you using compiz? [04:17:16] * dclarke has had issues with a fish called wanda [04:18:21] <xtrondo> well at this moment yes, using 0.6.2 plus fusion 0.6.0, but I have same problem on other machine without compiz [04:18:51] <nasser> (Guam) UTC+10 [04:18:51] <Gman> dclarke, yes, indiana [04:19:06] <Triskelios> hm, I don't think Erwann has updated the package to 0.6.2 [04:19:17] <dclarke> Gman : I'm more than just a wee bit interested in a back port to S10u4 [04:19:18] <Gman> nasser, it's the last possible timezone before november hits [04:19:29] <Gman> dclarke, sounds tricky [04:19:32] <binarycrusader> Gman: back port of? [04:19:35] <binarycrusader> err...dclarke [04:19:40] <dclarke> Gman : it has been thus far [04:19:41] <binarycrusader> compiz? [04:19:48] <Gman> binarycrusader, IPS [04:19:54] <binarycrusader> Oh, yeah, some one did that already [04:20:06] <dclarke> binarycrusader: yeah .. me [04:20:12] <binarycrusader> no, someone at sun [04:20:18] <Gman> dclarke, good luck with it though, looks interesting [04:20:23] <xtrondo> well I rebuild all patches myself from spec files of 0.5.2... [04:20:24] <dclarke> binarycrusader: he was working with me on that [04:20:32] <binarycrusader> ahhh [04:20:35] <Gman> binarycrusader, angelo [04:20:45] <dclarke> the first issue was to get Pythin and needed tools brought over as well as headers that are needed etc etc [04:20:52] <dclarke> Angelo Radjurai [04:21:04] <Triskelios> binarycrusader: 0.6 looks for xcb (but doesn't use it), it has to be patched out of the configure script [04:21:33] <dclarke> binarycrusader: he and I have been experimenting on some build infrastructure that I put together here [04:21:37] <Triskelios> binarycrusader: if you have a patch ready, I'll take it, otherwise I'll update the package in a day or two [04:21:55] <Triskelios> oops [04:22:00] <Triskelios> xtrondo: ^ [04:22:01] *** Pauliukas has quit IRC [04:22:06] <Triskelios> binarycrusader: ignore me! [04:22:15] <binarycrusader> Triskelios: I was going to say :P [04:23:03] <Triskelios> binarycrusader: fyi, compiz is a GL-based compositing manager to make X sexy [04:23:16] <binarycrusader> not my thing [04:23:24] <binarycrusader> At least not until it hits 1.0 [04:23:42] <binarycrusader> My system runs slow enough as it is with ON builds running in the background half the time [04:23:43] <binarycrusader> <g> [04:23:58] <dclarke> yippie .. we finally got python-2.3.5,REV=2005.12.18-SunOS5.8-%ARCH%-CSW.pkg.gz out the door to the world [04:24:11] <dclarke> sorry .. python 2.5.1 [04:24:39] <dclarke> $ python --version [04:24:40] <dclarke> Python 2.5.1 [04:25:06] <dclarke> VERSION: 2.5.1,REV=2007.10.06 [04:25:07] <xtrondo> well it only plugin that I have notice problems on 0.6.2 was annotate, all other things works pretty well, no cores so far.. [04:27:42] <xtrondo> night all, have fun [04:28:17] *** xtrondo has quit IRC [04:28:24] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [04:28:53] *** jamesd has quit IRC [04:29:08] *** nasser has quit IRC [04:29:54] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [04:29:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [04:34:58] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [04:39:10] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [04:51:41] *** laca has quit IRC [04:51:50] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [04:54:31] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [05:00:00] *** duck_ has joined #opensolaris [05:00:43] <duck_> I'm trying to install opensolaris. The installation always exits abruptly and leaves me with a terminal [05:01:32] <duck_> Would someone here suggest how to proceed? [05:01:57] <binarycrusader> Is this b75 by chance? [05:02:11] <binarycrusader> If so, you will have to use the "Solaris Express" boot option instead of the "Developer Edition" option [05:02:19] <binarycrusader> The Developer Edition option is currently broken in this build [05:02:20] *** jimm3rs has left #opensolaris [05:02:31] <duck_> I'm using the express version [05:02:44] <binarycrusader> Right, but the boot options at startup [05:02:54] <binarycrusader> It exits when you select a timezone? [05:03:25] <duck_> oh. well it exits after the timezone selection - after I select cd/dvd as the media [05:03:31] <binarycrusader> exactly [05:03:35] <binarycrusader> When you boot the system [05:03:44] <binarycrusader> The GRUB menu lets you choose "Solaris Express Developer Edition" [05:03:47] <binarycrusader> "Solaris Express" [05:03:47] <binarycrusader> ...etc [05:03:52] <binarycrusader> Choose the "Solaris Express" option [05:03:56] <binarycrusader> The "Developer Edition" option is broken [05:04:14] <duck_> GRUB? I'm installing on an ultra10. [05:04:23] <duck_> can I do this in OBP? [05:04:31] <binarycrusader> Probablyl, but I don't know how [05:04:40] <binarycrusader> No SPARC experience [05:04:51] <binarycrusader> b76 will fix the issue if you care to wait [05:05:00] <binarycrusader> it should be out end of this week or sometime next [05:05:23] <duck_> well I'm glad to know. thanks. [05:07:02] * oninoshiko just hopes it will have the fixed iSCSI target [05:07:20] * binarycrusader curses cr.opensolaris.org [05:10:16] <duck_> does b76 stand for beta 76? [05:10:33] <Gman> binarycrusader, believe it or not, the solaris express text console grub option is broken too [05:10:41] <Gman> (last i tried it) [05:10:42] <binarycrusader> Not for me [05:10:51] <binarycrusader> I used the text installer w/o any issue with b75 [05:11:08] <binarycrusader> Solaris Express Community Edition snv_75a X86 [05:11:13] <Gman> didn't have issues not prompting for cd2? [05:11:18] <binarycrusader> I use DVD edition [05:11:21] <Gman> ahh [05:11:30] *** program_ has joined #opensolaris [05:11:32] <binarycrusader> CDs are for silly people :P [05:11:34] <binarycrusader> j/k [05:11:45] <Gman> :) [05:12:00] <binarycrusader> i'll just be glad to dump those whole cd-shuffle thing [05:12:05] <binarycrusader> once we get ips going [05:13:25] <Gman> totally [05:17:30] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [05:18:17] <binarycrusader> 'night [05:18:18] *** binarycrusader has left #opensolaris [05:18:33] <jmcp> duck_: no, the "b" stands for "build" [05:22:59] *** program has quit IRC [05:24:56] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [05:27:30] *** _gavagai has quit IRC [05:27:54] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [05:29:15] <jmcp> does anybody here playwith^W^Wuse the input methods applet? [05:29:58] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK [05:31:25] *** victori_ has quit IRC [05:34:44] *** program_ has quit IRC [05:35:29] <syndrome71> James - I'd take that as a negatory on the input methods applet... ;) [05:36:51] *** program has joined #opensolaris [05:40:16] <jmcp> yeah [05:40:17] <jmcp> :( [05:40:17] <jmcp> guess I'll have to file then [05:43:10] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [05:43:18] * jmcp breathes in the fresh aroma of espresso [05:43:37] <jmcp> syndrome71: WR changed the coffee machines here so we can now get semi-decent espresso [05:43:42] <jmcp> for 1rmb/shot [05:43:43] <jmcp> :-) [05:43:57] <syndrome71> 1rmb? [05:44:09] <jbk> heh we have these machines that one described as 'looking like a dr. who character' [05:44:11] <jmcp> yeah, around 15c Aussie [05:44:25] <bda> Heh. [05:44:30] <oninoshiko> LOL [05:44:46] <jbk> dunno how good the coffee is though [05:45:17] <jmcp> jbk: it's acceptable [05:46:34] <billybob> jmcp: are there any good admin PDFs o nsundocs ? [05:46:49] <billybob> I started browsing . . .and the list seems endless [05:47:14] <jmcp> billybob: yes there are [05:47:19] <jmcp> start with the Solaris Express collection [05:47:41] <jmcp> there's the Basic Administration Guide series, which will get you a lot of the way to where you need to be [05:49:43] *** rafaeldt has joined #opensolaris [05:51:04] <billybob> jmcp: and all the networking stuff i need to know would be included in this ? [05:51:22] *** ACT has joined #opensolaris [05:51:23] <billybob> such as file specifics etc [05:51:26] <jmcp> yes [05:51:30] <ACT> ping [05:51:37] <jmcp> also check out http://sun.com/bigadmin [05:51:39] <ACT> ping [05:51:40] <billybob> good deal. [05:51:42] <billybob> thanks :) [05:51:46] <jmcp> ACT: ackack [05:51:55] *** ACT is now known as edwardocallaghan [05:51:55] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [05:52:00] <edwardocallaghan> pong [05:52:00] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [05:52:04] <edwardocallaghan> hey guys [05:52:11] <edwardocallaghan> long time ! [05:52:19] <jmcp> hi edwardocallaghan [05:52:33] <noyb> dit-toe :-) [05:52:49] <edwardocallaghan> what build are we on ? [05:53:01] <tsp> damn, you need a dual core box with 8GB of ram to browse sun.com with any reasonable speed it seems, unless it's my screen reader being slow [05:53:05] <billybob> heh [05:53:07] <oninoshiko> about to be on svn_76, i think [05:53:08] <noyb> I'm on 75... [05:53:27] <billybob> "Lots of great info from the community: How I Used Solaris OS and ZFS to Solve My Mac OS X Storage Problem" <--- apparently this guy neve rheard of iSCSI or Samba or . .. [05:53:55] <D-EJ915> hmm sun has a new Ultra 24... [05:54:31] <billybob> dahm these honey mustard pringles are GOOOOOD [05:55:33] <edwardocallaghan> anything big interms of bugs in b75 ? I heared the install does not work (core dump) for dev selection ? [05:59:13] *** noyb has left #opensolaris [06:01:33] <flyingparchment> does anyone know sun web server nametrans rules? i'm wondering if this can be written in a single rule: http://rafb.net/p/EPUYr794.html (the problem is that using $query when there's no query string produces an error) [06:02:57] *** jhawk has quit IRC [06:03:52] <edwardocallaghan> Oh question... If I have two servers running Solaris, what is the best way to keep the two in sync if one dies ? [06:04:03] <flyingparchment> in sync how? [06:04:06] <edwardocallaghan> rsync is the only think I can think of !? [06:04:20] <edwardocallaghan> So say I had to MySQL servers [06:04:38] <edwardocallaghan> and I wanted to us be used if the other dies [06:04:41] <flyingparchment> mysql replication [06:04:50] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [06:04:56] <edwardocallaghan> in a cron jobs ? [06:05:07] <flyingparchment> no, in the mysql server. replication runs continuously [06:05:46] <edwardocallaghan> oh ok I'll go read up on that, thanks [06:07:17] <edwardocallaghan> I know everything would be in cache in RAM and not flushed to disk right ? [06:07:24] <flyingparchment> no [06:07:36] <flyingparchment> mysql flushes to disk after every commit (at least if you're using innodb) [06:08:51] <oninoshiko> basically all writes go to a master, if the master fails they go to what was the slave (which you promote to master). when a write goes to the master the master commits it, and sends it to the slave as well (which also commits it) [06:09:16] <oninoshiko> ie they are always vary close to being in sync [06:09:31] <oninoshiko> err that should have be 'so' [06:09:54] <edwardocallaghan> ok thats plently to read up on thanks ! [06:10:21] <edwardocallaghan> what about sync two http servers ? [06:10:59] <flyingparchment> have a script that deploys the site from the staging area to the document root on both servers [06:11:02] <oninoshiko> the catch with this type of setup is you need to make sure the master is really down when you promote the slave... you might google for STONITH [06:11:08] <flyingparchment> (you'll probably want something like that anyway, so it's not much effort) [06:12:13] <edwardocallaghan> edward goes and googles the amn TLAs IT has to offer :p [06:12:56] * oninoshiko agrees with flyingparchment, your site's actual pages and scripts shouldn't be changing enough for this to me a huge issue [06:13:52] <edwardocallaghan> yea its for web hosting [06:14:05] <edwardocallaghan> small time etc.. [06:14:36] <edwardocallaghan> ok i looked up STONITH, were does it (porject?) live [06:14:44] <oninoshiko> even a major site, you normally do a dev cycle and then update all pages at once [06:15:07] <oninoshiko> its not so much a project, as a idea... Shoot The Other Node In The Head [06:15:54] <edwardocallaghan> its got a great name [06:16:18] <edwardocallaghan> so a rync in a cron job would be the best thing to do ? [06:16:37] <oninoshiko> i dont think i would even bother to put it in a cron job [06:16:41] <flyingparchment> yes, except for the rsync part and the cron part. ;) [06:16:52] <edwardocallaghan> lol [06:16:53] <flyingparchment> actually, i guess rsync is okay. but don't cron it.. just make a script that runs when you want to update the site [06:17:38] <oninoshiko> yes, run it manually. that way you can be sure it is tested an ready to go out... nothing gets half updated or anything weird [06:18:13] <edwardocallaghan> So if your boss wanted to setup a host company with two Sun boxs, one for redundancy. What you your plan of attack be [06:18:30] <flyingparchment> what are you hosting? [06:18:37] <oninoshiko> is this for my companies page, or client pages [06:18:52] <edwardocallaghan> good question: SAMP setup for clients [06:19:09] <edwardocallaghan> maybe in there own Zones ? [06:19:48] <flyingparchment> i think i'd do that with some reliable external storage connected to both systems [06:20:07] <edwardocallaghan> some PHP that builds a new zone from a template when a form is filled in for example [06:20:47] <edwardocallaghan> Rigth so the guy has two sun 450s stacked with disks [06:21:00] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to use ZFS [06:21:17] <flyingparchment> you should really decide what you're going to do _before_ you buy the hardware :) [06:21:21] <flyingparchment> (whats a 450?) [06:22:28] <oninoshiko> its better to buy equipment to solve your problem, then to find a problem for your equipment to solve. [06:22:38] <edwardocallaghan> I know the deal, however the guy does not have much in the way of money as is trying to build a company [06:23:13] <flyingparchment> even more reason to plan your purchases carefully.. [06:23:34] <edwardocallaghan> Its not my plans, I am not the boss. I am the student/x-Linux admin who is trying to help and get some money while I am at it [06:23:55] <flyingparchment> you might look at storagetek availability suite [06:24:02] *** edwardocallaghan has quit IRC [06:24:06] <flyingparchment> i believe it recently went into opensolaris, and allows you to do realtime replication of a filesystem [06:24:11] <flyingparchment> ... or you could quit [06:27:13] *** ACT has joined #opensolaris [06:27:27] *** noyb has left #opensolaris [06:27:35] *** ACT is now known as edwardocallaghan [06:27:42] <edwardocallaghan> sorry timedout [06:27:54] <edwardocallaghan> Is boyd around these days? [06:28:03] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:ping [06:28:07] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:ping [06:28:57] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [06:30:15] <dclarke> anyone know anything about /lib/libmd.so.1 ? /lib/amd64/libmd.so.1 etc? It is part of SUNWcslr and I am wondering if the sources are found in the wild somewhere [06:30:34] *** delewis has quit IRC [06:31:05] <edwardocallaghan> edward timesout [06:31:08] <edwardocallaghan> bye all [06:31:10] *** edwardocallaghan has quit IRC [06:31:13] <jmcp> dclarke: $ nm /lib/libmd.so|grep FILE.*c [06:31:13] <jmcp> [33] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |crti.s [06:31:25] <jmcp> [73] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |crtn.s [06:31:28] <jmcp> [38] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |md4.c [06:31:31] <jmcp> [47] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |md5.c [06:31:33] <jmcp> [55] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |sha1.c [06:31:35] <jmcp> [63] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |sha2.c [06:31:37] <jmcp> [34] | 0| 0|FILE |LOCL |0 |ABS |values-Xa.c [06:31:40] <jmcp> probably found under usr/src/common/crypto/ [06:31:47] <jmcp> apart from that "I know nussing!" [06:31:54] * jmcp channels Sgt Schultz [06:31:59] <dclarke> thanks .. I knew from elfdump that it was all about crypto [06:32:22] <dclarke> but I am wondering if these functions can be resolved from a different libriary [06:34:17] <dclarke> re http://rafb.net/p/p6lscR73.html I can resolve the dependecies on Solaris 10 but not on Solaris 8 [06:34:20] <dclarke> yet [06:34:23] * jmcp looks [06:35:38] <jmcp> dclarke: we don't appear to have sha2.c in S8 [06:36:01] <dclarke> yea verily [06:36:03] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [06:36:08] <dclarke> but we do have that inside Blastwave [06:36:09] <jmcp> sorry, you knew that already [06:36:10] <jmcp> yeah [06:36:21] <jmcp> how's your dependency tree? :-) [06:36:30] <dclarke> doing well actually [06:36:43] <dclarke> thus far the real issues were to get Python 2.5.1 in there [06:36:59] <dclarke> and then to move all the vendor stuff up to /opt/csw/pythin [06:36:59] <Tpenta> hi dennis [06:37:04] <dclarke> and away from pythn 2.4 [06:37:09] <dclarke> hello Alan [06:37:12] * dclarke waves [06:37:17] <jmcp> hi Tpenta [06:37:29] <dclarke> the next issue was to ensure that I have all that I need to build on Solaris 10 [06:37:34] <dclarke> and .. I do .. and I can [06:37:51] <dclarke> results are no problem there now .. but my Makefile is definately not like the one in the gate [06:38:54] <dclarke> thus http://rafb.net/p/UZegzy94.html [06:39:02] <dclarke> I still have to correct some paths [06:39:21] <dclarke> the /usr/lib/python2.5.1/vendor-packages/pkg is wrong [06:39:24] *** noyb has quit IRC [06:41:22] <dclarke> that will be /opt/csw/lib/python2.5.1/vendor-packages/pkg shortly [06:42:02] <dclarke> so .. that is what I am up to .. [06:43:24] <dclarke> actually .. I should take a little break [06:46:00] *** spackes1 has joined #opensolaris [06:46:21] <spackes1> any idea when the next coolstack will be released? [06:46:50] <dclarke> at the risk of being told .. yeah yeah .. are you looking for new Apache ? [06:46:53] <dclarke> or what ? [06:47:02] *** syndrome71 has left #opensolaris [06:47:06] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [06:47:21] *** sleepster has joined #opensolaris [06:47:21] <spackes1> waiting for a bundled DBD::mysql and mod_proxy to be included [06:48:36] <dclarke> I'm surprised to say that we don't have that at Blastwave either [06:49:05] <spackes1> not sure why mod_rewrite is included, but mod_proxy isn't [06:49:22] <flyingparchment> well, rewrite is enabled by default, iirc.. [06:49:34] <dclarke> I was gonna say that [06:49:37] <dclarke> I use it all the time [06:49:50] <spackes1> I did see posted that mod_proxy will be in the next coolstack [06:49:59] <spackes1> guess I need to get better at building such things [06:50:21] <sleepster> does anyone know of a way to restrict a process from causing any kind of output? I would like the process not be able to write to disk, send output through the network, write to a CD .. [06:52:05] <spackes1> sleepster: stick it in a zone that you don't care too much about? [06:52:36] * dclarke wanders away [06:52:45] <dclarke> gotta go fall over .. [06:52:46] <syndrome71> hm - What *do* you want the process to be able to do? [06:53:09] * dclarke thinks sleep 86400 [06:53:20] <sleepster> spackes1: well this is more for a research project that I would like to do.. I want to be able to create a process (possibly in some VM) and disallow it to make any kind of output or maybe read anything from input [06:55:33] <oninoshiko> with no input or output what is the point? [06:55:46] <tsp> I was going to ask the same thing [06:56:02] * oninoshiko is glad im not alone in the thought [06:56:46] <spackes1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat [06:57:07] <spackes1> maybe the cat could live in there :) [06:57:19] <oninoshiko> or not live in there at the same time [07:00:40] *** spackes1 has left #opensolaris [07:01:41] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [07:06:31] *** syndrome71 has quit IRC [07:06:45] *** noyb has quit IRC [07:07:02] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [07:10:56] *** D-EJ915 has quit IRC [07:13:40] *** psiekl has quit IRC [07:17:07] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [07:18:05] *** chrisso has quit IRC [07:24:50] *** nasser has joined #OpenSolaris [07:26:53] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [07:29:16] *** D-EJ915 has joined #opensolaris [07:29:49] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [07:37:42] *** jbt has joined #opensolaris [07:41:32] <billybob> jmcp: ok, got it working 100% [07:41:35] <billybob> yay! [07:41:44] <billybob> time for a break ; ) [07:45:00] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [07:50:26] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [07:52:25] <lloy0076> The first line of output from vmstat appears to be an accumulated summary (although finding the documentation to find that out took a number of google searches)... [07:52:32] <lloy0076> Is there any way to suppress that? [07:58:05] <dclarke> vmstat 5 | tail +4 [07:59:12] *** jbt has quit IRC [07:59:56] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [08:02:02] <lloy0076> dclarke: Thanks [08:02:10] <dclarke> np [08:02:19] <lloy0076> Anyway, off to home via the Pub! [08:02:22] <lloy0076> Wheeeeeee! [08:02:25] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [08:07:06] *** sleepster has quit IRC [08:07:23] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [08:09:07] <dclarke> sometimes it can be fun to attempt the highly improbable http://rafb.net/p/WOziN746.html [08:09:14] <dclarke> I gotta get some sleep .. [08:10:29] <palowoda> Get some sleep. Solaris 8 isn't worth losing it too. [08:10:51] <dclarke> I had to try [08:10:52] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/M4R51778.html [08:10:59] <dclarke> just to see if the code would compile [08:11:07] <dclarke> and it will .. but not tonight [08:11:43] <dclarke> note lines 28 onwards in that last link [08:11:48] <dclarke> hardly elegant at all [08:12:49] <dclarke> on that note ... really I mean it this time .. I do need to sleep a bit [08:13:04] *** stratism has joined #opensolaris [08:13:05] <dclarke> oh .. by the way .. its build just sweet on Solaris 10 update 4 [08:13:06] <palowoda> And don't dream of dead horses of coarses. [08:13:26] <dclarke> nighty Bob [08:14:29] *** noyb has quit IRC [08:14:36] <palowoda> Hmm lots of changes in b77 with CIFS being the big one. At least with the filesystem attributes. [08:17:57] *** xuewei has joined #opensolaris [08:18:12] <palowoda> It's about time but it's really funky that they have to create the opensolaris project after it's been done. 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[09:11:58] *** Gman has quit IRC [09:12:36] *** Fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [09:12:55] <Fuzzy> I know a few have been asking, but I have managed to get ubuntu and debian to boot in a xen guest on open solaris [09:14:21] <trochej> Wow [09:15:17] <palowoda> Is it usable and what kind of hardware? [09:19:43] <trochej> Wow [09:22:17] *** Teln12100 has joined #opensolaris [09:25:08] <Fuzzy> it's on a dual xeon 2.4 [09:25:11] <Fuzzy> which is 32bit-pae [09:25:16] <Fuzzy> and yea it's useable [09:25:19] <Fuzzy> using zfs shares [09:25:49] *** cla is now known as cla--- [09:26:04] *** cla--- is now known as cla [09:28:08] <Fuzzy> trochej palowoda [09:29:48] <Fuzzy> http://www.oss-docs.org/docs/action/view/Xen/OpenSolaris [09:29:51] <Fuzzy> there is the basic idea [09:29:58] <Fuzzy> i've got to clean up the info though [09:32:46] <Tempt> Who here remembers the TIS fwtk? [09:33:58] <Fuzzy> TIS? [09:35:05] <WickedWorking> not me [09:35:07] <WickedWorking> morning though :p [09:35:16] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [09:35:27] <Tempt> Fuzzy: Yes! [09:35:30] <Tempt> WickedWorking: Morning. [09:35:34] <timsf> hi there [09:35:35] <Tempt> Fuzzy: Can't get the bloody thing anymore. [09:35:40] <Fuzzy> ? [09:35:56] <Fuzzy> what is TIS? [09:36:15] <Tempt> It's a little set of tools [09:36:20] <Tempt> one of which is called plug-gw [09:36:25] <Tempt> plug-gw is a very useful tool. [09:36:52] <Tempt> It listens on a TCP port, and when it recieves a connection it connects to another port that you specify and acts as a conduit. [09:36:57] <Fuzzy> any of you really knowledgeable in open-iscsi? [09:37:04] <WickedWorking> ahhh [09:37:10] <trochej> tunnel of sorts? [09:37:22] <WickedWorking> yes yes, I remember that, we used it like, in 1997, for the office firewall [09:37:22] <Fuzzy> Tempt: so why not just use ssh's port forwarding? [09:37:23] <Tempt> Yes, effectively. [09:37:30] <Tempt> Fuzzy: Because that doesn't do the same thing. [09:37:39] <WickedWorking> you'd connect to gw-addresss 6667 , and it'd forward you to the IRC server we hosted [09:37:48] <Tempt> That's the one. [09:37:55] <Tempt> These days we use NATs and such things on firewalls. [09:38:00] <Tempt> and do it all in kernel space [09:38:11] <Tempt> However, for the particular job I'm working on, that won't do. [09:38:41] <WickedWorking> m [09:39:26] <Fuzzy> you know i really hope that disk i/o improves with zfs + xen [09:39:28] <WickedWorking> http://www.fwtk.org/main.html [09:39:29] <WickedWorking> isnt it that? [09:39:44] <Tempt> WickedWorking: That's the one. [09:39:50] <Tempt> WickedWorking: Now try and download it ;) [09:41:06] <billybob> ok . . . [09:41:19] <billybob> I deems this -> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/newbie_faq/ to be complete gibberish ! [09:41:58] <WickedWorking> nice [09:42:04] <WickedWorking> the address you have to mail to, bounces [09:42:15] <Tempt> exactly. [09:42:27] <Tempt> I think I found a source though. [09:42:44] <Tempt> I'd re-host it somewhere but they've traditionally been really hostile to that. [09:43:13] <WickedWorking> em [09:43:25] <WickedWorking> you didnt read the licence [09:43:26] <WickedWorking> did you [09:43:28] <WickedWorking> fwtk-request at tislabs dot com [09:43:46] <WickedWorking> they mention a different email adres at the bottom of the licence [09:43:56] <WickedWorking> a. This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Maryland. [09:43:56] <WickedWorking> b. As stated above, after reading the license and agreeing toabide by its terms, send a one word -- the word "accepted" -- email messageto fwtk-request at tislabs dot com.Address all other correspondence regarding this license to fwtk-license at tislabs dot com,or to [09:44:19] <trochej> :) [09:44:20] <billybob> wow creating a zfs stripe looks very simple [09:44:28] <billybob> "zfs create tank c0t0d0 c0t0d1" ?! [09:44:37] <jmcp> yeah, it is that simple [09:44:40] <trochej> Yup [09:44:41] <billybob> jesus [09:44:47] <trochej> Another awed person :) [09:45:02] <jmcp> billybob: "Design goal number one: remove the pain of storage admin" [09:45:08] <Tempt> WickedWorking: I figured it was incorrect, given the earlier changes. [09:45:11] <Tempt> WickedWorking: saad. [09:45:11] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [09:45:12] <WickedWorking> Tempt: not that that address works [09:45:13] <trochej> My boss asked me to send him a simple howto about creation of simple pools and filesystems [09:45:17] <billybob> now the next questions [09:45:21] <billybob> RAMdisks . .. [09:45:22] <billybob> lol [09:45:24] <trochej> And a simple howto takes about two paragraphes [09:45:25] <Tempt> WickedWorking: it at least tries to accept mail .. [09:45:28] * billybob digs deeper [09:45:38] <Tempt> 250 fwtk-request at tislabs dot com OK [09:46:29] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [09:47:09] <WickedWorking> be right back [09:47:10] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [09:47:29] * billybob stumbles onto the OpenSOlaris cheatsheet [09:48:01] <jmcp> damn, you weren't supposed to find that! [09:48:05] <jmcp> ;-) [09:48:12] <billybob> lol [09:48:23] <billybob> probably better if I dont follow those jus tyet [09:49:03] <billybob> i mean svcs -a looks harmless, but probably better if I stay away from any ZFS commands for now [09:51:14] <billybob> I htink the thing about spefifics to solaris that peak my interrests would be Dtrace, and Solaris containers [09:51:28] <billybob> amd I right in thinking that Containers are similar to BSD Jails ? [09:51:40] *** JoergB has quit IRC [09:51:54] <quasi> not too far off [09:51:55] <bda> billybob: Only on steroids, with rockets strapped to their backs. [09:52:10] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [09:52:11] <quasi> very large rockets at that [09:52:14] <bda> Aye. [09:52:45] <billybob> well while watching the starter kit demonstration, Containers seemed more like VMs but . . . [09:53:12] <bda> There's no emulation. They share the same kernel. [09:53:25] <billybob> still trying to wrap my tiny brain around al lthis coolness lol [09:53:34] <bda> I didn't notice this at first, but even PIDs. :) [09:53:50] <billybob> they do ? [09:53:51] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [09:54:04] <billybob> i thought you had global, and private containers [09:54:06] <bda> billybob: e.g., global has 1 2 3 4, zone1 starts 5 6 7, etc.. [09:54:11] <bda> I just mean the IDs. :) [09:54:18] <billybob> ah [09:54:21] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris [09:54:44] <billybob> this is a lot to digest [09:54:49] <bda> Yup. [09:54:52] <billybob> I think ill take it one step at a time [09:55:27] <bda> Have you gone through the sysadmin collection on docs.sun? [09:55:33] * bda reads through it in about a week. [09:55:36] <bda> er, read. [09:55:52] <billybob> just on containers ? or everything ? [09:56:12] <bda> Everything. It's excellent documentation. Even if you don't digest it all, you'll still get a good idea of what is available/possible. [09:56:31] <billybob> yeah, I found a few admin guides [09:56:38] <bda> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 [09:56:39] <billybob> with the help of others [09:56:46] <billybob> well thats the problem [09:57:00] <billybob> docs.sun always seems like its getting hammered from my end [09:57:02] <bda> "Devices and Filesystems" is pretty damn useful for nubs. :) [09:57:03] <bda> Yeah. [09:57:08] <bda> Download the PDFs. :) [09:57:24] <billybob> hard to find if doscs.sun itsnt being responcive lol [09:57:33] <bda> It's up now, it seems. [09:57:40] <billybob> I am really bad because I am wireless [09:57:51] <billybob> so I 'hang' for a few minutes at a time sometimes [09:58:06] * billybob checks [09:58:44] <bda> grr. Stacks needs to be told not to bounce. [09:58:47] * billybob suspects he may need to get an HTP proxy [09:58:50] * bda is not very happy with Leopard. [09:59:37] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [09:59:42] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [09:59:49] <billybob> bda: can I touble you for a dirrect link ? [09:59:54] <billybob> trouble* [10:00:05] <bda> To what? [10:00:10] <WickedWicky> anyone ever used this? http://blogs.sun.com/partnertech/entry/update_solaris_performance_toolscd_3 [10:00:17] <billybob> Devices and Filesystems [10:00:21] <bda> The URL I pasted has "download this book" links to each of them. There's a few. [10:00:24] <bda> Sec. [10:00:35] <bda> http://dlc.sun.com/pdf/817-5093/817-5093.pdf [10:00:54] <billybob> excellent thanks much [10:01:08] <bda> np [10:01:10] <bda> WickedWicky: Interesting. [10:01:15] <billybob> I also didnt see your first link [10:01:26] <billybob> I will download all those [10:01:27] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [10:01:39] <billybob> lmao ! [10:01:41] <razrX> bda: i hate it in Leopard when ya launch an app on stack #1 (say Adium msn client) and ya have yur chat window open on stack #2. when ya command-tab to the Adium app it always jumps to the stack in which the app was launched while i want it to go to my open chat windows [10:01:46] <billybob> 534 pages ! [10:01:51] <billybob> awesome [10:01:59] <razrX> s/stack/space/ [10:02:10] <bda> razrX: Yes, Spaces is retarded. [10:02:23] <bda> razrX: Try this. Focus Finder. Switch to virt 2. Open a new Finder window. [10:02:26] <bda> It kicks you back to virt 1. [10:02:33] * bda will stick with %h. [10:02:35] <razrX> anno [10:02:46] <razrX> annoying behavior [10:02:51] <bda> Exceedingly. :\ [10:03:23] <bda> razrX: For your particular problem you can bind applications to Spaces. [10:03:33] <razrX> i think i'm gonna disable spaces and go back to desktop manager app [10:03:42] <bda> But if you want an app to have windows in multiple virts, it doesn't work very well at all. [10:04:06] <bda> Like I want to have a "chat" virt, with my irk terminal, iChat, etc, and then a work virt with all my work terminals... can't do it without cloning Terminal.app, which is a pita. [10:04:19] <bda> Also, dude, wtf is up with Terminal acting like regular windows now? :( [10:04:22] <razrX> yah, pita indeed [10:04:43] <razrX> unno, i always use iTerm instead of Terminal [10:04:46] <bda> In 10.4, if you opened a term via .term, it would go where you left any previous terms of that type. [10:04:47] <razrX> they changed it ? [10:04:59] <bda> Now it tries really hard to make sure no windows open on top of each other. [10:05:09] <bda> Drives me nuts. [10:05:09] <razrX> hmm [10:05:12] <razrX> yah, can imagine [10:05:27] <jmcp> billybob: one thing you'll realise fairly quickly is that the Sun doco is *very* thorough [10:05:33] <bda> Aye, (Sun docs)++ [10:05:42] <razrX> lol [10:05:43] <jmcp> can't wait for the s10u5 version of the mpxio admin guide to come out [10:05:46] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:05:58] <jmcp> it'll have a whole new chapter in it written by yours truly :) [10:06:03] <bda> Nice. :) [10:06:08] <billybob> so long as you know where to look for information, and you're not stuck with a shity wireless internet connection like me ; ) [10:06:09] <jmcp> necessary, too [10:06:14] *** WickedWorking has quit IRC [10:06:29] <jmcp> billybob: so here are your friends: docs.sun.com, opensolaris.org, sun.com/bigadmin [10:06:30] <bda> Bloody worthless wireless headphones. [10:06:32] * jmcp chuckles [10:06:37] <bda> Blueprints++ [10:06:42] <jmcp> ooooh yes [10:06:43] <jmcp> them too [10:07:02] <billybob> I'll just start with these PDFs ; ) [10:07:21] <jmcp> good idea [10:07:28] <jmcp> might as well download them while you have the chance [10:07:29] <quasi> one or two (hundred) of the blueprints could do with a small refresher to get within a couple of versions of what's current [10:07:39] <billybob> doing so right now jmcp [10:07:58] <billybob> EVERY_SINGLE_ONE [10:08:06] <billybob> even the ones I deem unnessisary [10:08:09] <jmcp> good [10:08:24] <billybob> 'smart cards' dont see much use for that [10:08:29] <billybob> but ill get it anyhow [10:08:33] <bda> Heh, never know when you might need something and docs.sun will be having a nap. [10:08:54] <billybob> sseems to be takign one right in the middle of a PDF right now [10:09:05] * billybob refreshes [10:09:50] <billybob> hehehe I havent been this excited since fooling around with iSCSI on dapper ; ) [10:09:53] <bda> WickedWicky: My co-workers will be happy to have cpuinfo and meminfo available. They are used to the same being in /proc. [10:10:02] <bda> The rest of that looks like stuff I use DTT for. [10:10:05] <bda> (or is already a part of DTT) [10:10:30] *** iMax has quit IRC [10:10:34] <billybob> iSCSI (IET) on solaris is doable I hope ? [10:10:44] <bda> Aye. [10:10:48] <billybob> good deal [10:10:51] <bda> Integrated with zfs as well. [10:11:07] <billybob> yeah, fuzzy said somethign along those lines [10:11:08] <bda> Well, from what I gather. Haven't touched it yet. [10:11:27] <Fuzzy> iscsi is built into zfs [10:11:46] <jmcp> bzzt [10:11:50] <jmcp> no it's not [10:11:55] <billybob> I was kind of hoping thogh, withthe improved TCP/IP stack I could coax more performance from it [10:12:00] <bda> No? [10:12:01] <Fuzzy> zfs shareiscsi=on target [10:12:11] <Fuzzy> err [10:12:16] <Fuzzy> zfs set shareiscsi=on target [10:12:33] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [10:12:34] * bda feeds his headphones to an angry badger. [10:12:44] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [10:12:47] <jmcp> Fuzzy: iscsi is a protocol. Some optimisations are included in zfs for use with iscsi, but zfs does not talk iscsi natively [10:12:56] * jmcp pedants with a very big pedanting stick [10:13:04] <bda> Sounds like "integration" to me. :P [10:13:13] <Fuzzy> ummm [10:13:25] <jmcp> I guess we have different meanings of "integration" [10:13:34] * bda integrates jmcp with the angry badger. [10:13:39] <Fuzzy> http://pastebin.com/m553e6392 [10:13:42] <jmcp> billybob: there are some performance issues with zfs and iscsi at the moment [10:13:43] <Fuzzy> you might want to have a look at that [10:13:57] <Fuzzy> because from what i can tell in the zfs admins guide [10:14:04] <Fuzzy> and what i've seen outside of trying to use it with a xen guest [10:14:13] <billybob> jmcp: define 'issues' [10:14:14] <Fuzzy> using zfs to setup iscsi targets works just fine [10:14:23] <jmcp> Fuzzy: that does not validate your statement that "iscsi is built into zfs" [10:14:57] <jmcp> billybob: nico came across an issue with some stress test he was running - kernel swapped itself out because an iscsi lun presented via zfs caused the iscsitgtd to chew up all his ram [10:15:05] <billybob> I think she was just saying that it is (somehow) built into the distrobution [10:15:26] <billybob> mem leak ? [10:15:29] <nico> hello #opensolaris [10:15:31] <jmcp> kindasorta [10:15:32] <jmcp> hi nico [10:15:39] <Fuzzy> Solaris 10 8/07 Release: In this Solaris release, you can create a ZFS volume as a Solaris iSCSI target device by setting the shareiscsi property on the ZFS volume. This method is a convenient way to quickly set up a Solaris iSCSI target. For example: [10:15:44] <Fuzzy> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/6n7ht6qr2?a=view#gebwq [10:15:58] <jmcp> Fuzzy: you wrote "iscsi is built into zfs" [10:16:33] <jmcp> as I mentioned, I was being rather pedantic - iSCSI is a storage transport protocol. ZFS is not [10:16:40] <Fuzzy> sure [10:17:10] <jmcp> support for iSCSI is integrated with ZFS, true, but that is not the same as saying the it's built into ZFS [10:17:10] <Fuzzy> but if zfs didn't have features built into it to help support iscsi then you wouldn't have the flag when you look at the params with get [10:17:37] <Fuzzy> or a param to set when you used set [10:17:42] <bda> Fuzzy: Right, but it's the same deal as with NFS. It's not like ZFS is build with nfsd. It just supports management of shares. [10:17:43] <jmcp> head > desk [10:17:51] <jmcp> bda: thankyou [10:17:58] <Fuzzy> your splitting hairs [10:17:59] <bda> s/build/built/ [10:18:08] <bda> jmcp said he was. :) [10:18:12] <Fuzzy> but you don't have a sharenfs feature [10:18:18] <jmcp> yes we do [10:18:20] <bda> erm. [10:18:26] <billybob> to change subjects, they are using the IET implementation ? [10:18:39] <Cyrille> I don't want to be a pedant, but is splitting hairs really the same as being pedantic? ;-) [10:18:40] <Fuzzy> err excuse me there is [10:18:45] <jmcp> Fuzzy: I write kernel drivers, and I work in the storage part of the kernel. I'm being pedantic because it makes a heckuvalot of difference to me [10:18:47] * bda splits Cyrille's hairs. [10:18:52] <bda> haha. [10:18:53] * jmcp snorts @ Cyrille [10:19:04] <Fuzzy> jmcp: then fix open-iscsi inside of xen [10:19:05] <jmcp> billybob: no idea [10:19:10] <jmcp> Fuzzy: no, that's not my area [10:19:23] <Fuzzy> wow [10:19:25] <bda> lul [10:19:34] <jmcp> Fuzzy: I work under the xVM hypervisor level [10:19:34] <Fuzzy> how fine of a line do you really paint with your brush? [10:19:39] <jmcp> Fuzzy: very fine [10:19:42] <billybob> if I were a better coder id work it out myself [10:19:53] <jmcp> Fuzzy: and I don't touch iSCSI at all if I can avoid it [10:20:04] <Fuzzy> *sigh* [10:20:17] <jmcp> billybob: you could ping opensolaris-storage and ask - there are people on that who know for sure [10:20:17] <libkeiser> seriously. iscsi was invented by a group of total idiots. find a better storage architecture ;) [10:20:18] <Fuzzy> avoiding iscsi is like avoiding agp [10:20:35] <jmcp> as if [10:21:10] <jmcp> Fuzzy: (a) I don't need it, (b) I dislike the whole concept behind it (c) a different group works on it than the one I'm part of (d) .... I don't think there is a (d) [10:21:16] <billybob> hey now, no avoiding AGP, since my newly appointed solaris box HAS AGP >:) [10:21:27] <Fuzzy> my point is simply this [10:22:02] <Fuzzy> the design, development, and concepts may totally suck, but some things you can't avoid [10:22:13] <jmcp> I don't have to use iSCSI at all [10:22:16] <Fuzzy> yet [10:22:28] <jmcp> you really think it's going to be a mandatory thing? [10:22:30] <jmcp> why? [10:22:50] <Fuzzy> because there are some tricks your going to be able to pull with it [10:22:55] <jmcp> like what? [10:23:00] <Fuzzy> that is going to drive virtualization [10:23:15] <jmcp> virtualisation of what? [10:23:16] <libkeiser> would you care to name something? [10:23:19] <Fuzzy> sure [10:23:28] <Fuzzy> we'll take what i'm working for for an instance [10:23:35] <Fuzzy> xen guests [10:24:00] <jmcp> assume for a moment that I don't use xen, or xvm, and that I never will [10:24:07] <jmcp> why would iSCSI help me then? [10:24:14] <Fuzzy> hang on i'm tired as hell and slow typing [10:24:16] *** JoergB has quit IRC [10:24:35] <libkeiser> similar things were done years ago with fibre channel [10:24:38] <dlg> jmcp: if you're not using xvm or xen then you need iscsi to bump your buzzword quotient up [10:24:54] <Fuzzy> if xen guests can mount their root partitions from within the guest [10:25:00] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris [10:25:01] <Fuzzy> it makes it that much easier to migrate them [10:25:05] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [10:25:12] <Fuzzy> if you use a pair of iscsi targets in a xen guest [10:25:14] <Fuzzy> and raid 1 them [10:25:26] *** Gekz has quit IRC [10:25:33] <jmcp> apart from::: assume for a moment that I don't use xen, or xvm, and that I never will [10:25:34] *** Gekz has joined #opensolaris [10:25:37] <Fuzzy> you've now built a migratable xen guest without a spof in it's disk layout [10:25:46] <jmcp> well great [10:25:50] <bda> jmcp: Well, you could do the same thing with zones. :) [10:26:00] <libkeiser> and nothing about that requires iscsi. any storage network will give you that [10:26:10] <Fuzzy> bah [10:26:15] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [10:26:18] <jmcp> Fuzzy: so apart from that why would I want to "manage" my storage within a domU at all? [10:26:26] *** nostoi has quit IRC [10:26:27] <jmcp> bda: indeed [10:26:40] <Fuzzy> to take it away from the host [10:26:45] <Fuzzy> so the guest can migrate easily [10:26:57] <Fuzzy> without data duplication or worring about file locks [10:27:04] <Fuzzy> or cache's out of sync [10:27:30] <Fuzzy> you as a developer may never use xen, xvm or anything virtual wise [10:27:47] <jmcp> and plenty of companies that I know of are incredibly unlikely to use xen/xvm either [10:27:56] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [10:27:56] <Fuzzy> but as an admin it's been something of recent demand in my world [10:28:00] <Fuzzy> more and more are asking about it [10:28:11] <jmcp> great [10:28:16] <Cyrille> are they also asking about web 2.0 and soa? [10:28:20] <jmcp> so why are you wanting *me* to fix it for you? [10:28:32] <Fuzzy> because you have the skills to do it [10:28:35] <Fuzzy> :] [10:28:36] <bda> haha. [10:28:37] <jmcp> bzzzzzzt [10:28:47] <bda> SOA? [10:28:52] <Fuzzy> you sure are getting good at tasering yourself [10:28:54] <bda> (SOE?) [10:28:59] <jmcp> I work on SAS at the moment and I hope to ghod I never have to work on iSCSI [10:29:04] <bda> Don't taze jmcp, dude. :( [10:29:08] <Fuzzy> sas is fun stuff [10:29:14] <jmcp> in the past I've worked on FC and parallel SCSI too [10:29:20] <Fuzzy> want a cookie? [10:29:27] <billybob> sas is awesome, not everyone can afford SAS equipment however. [10:29:42] <billybob> 400 usd for a friggen 8 bay + exxxpander . . . [10:29:50] <billybob> please. [10:29:54] <quasi> that's not too bad [10:29:56] <bda> Zoom. [10:30:00] <jmcp> Fuzzy: so if you have problems with iSCSI how about you follow the recommended path to success and LOG BUGS so that people know what to work on [10:30:06] <Cyrille> bda, SOA = Service Oriented Architecture. [10:30:09] <Fuzzy> believe me i'm working on it [10:30:16] <Cyrille> (still trying to figure out what it really means, though) [10:30:17] <jmcp> billybob: yeah, and that 8bay will have ses support too [10:30:18] <Fuzzy> i've been spending more time trying to narrow it down [10:30:25] <bda> Cyrille: ..As opposed to *what*? [10:30:34] <libkeiser> Cyrille: it seems to mean 'we invented a new term for an rpc' [10:30:39] <Cyrille> don't ask me I didn't invent the acronym [10:30:46] <bda> Cyrille: Downtime Oriented Architecture? [10:30:53] <Fuzzy> the last item in the mailing list pointed to a similar problem and the debian kernel was the suspected culprit [10:31:10] <billybob> anyhow iSCSI is more than a buzzword, it has its merits, whether those solaris kernel coders realize it or not :P [10:31:24] <Cyrille> the best I could figure out made it sound like the concept of delivering crates of nuts, bolts and girders to people who wanted a warehouse, but... [10:31:27] <jmcp> billybob: I'm sure it does. Just don't ask me to work on it [10:31:35] <jmcp> I've got more than enough work already [10:31:43] <billybob> i understand [10:31:47] <bda> What with all the bodies to dispose of. [10:31:50] <jmcp> Fuzzy: and on Solaris you can use DTrace to help you narrow down even more where problems lie [10:32:03] <Fuzzy> will dtrace walk into a xen guest? [10:32:03] <jmcp> bda: yeah .. the ole bathtub filled with acid is passe [10:32:08] <jmcp> Fuzzy: yes [10:32:12] <billybob> thats one awesomeness of Dtrace [10:32:15] <Fuzzy> this should be interesting [10:32:15] <bda> dtrace++ [10:32:38] <Cyrille> bda, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture enjoy the buzzwordfest. [10:33:14] <billybob> jmcp: so what exactly is it that you do not care about with iSCSI ? [10:33:15] <bda> ... [10:33:39] <bda> That looks like a load of horseshit ground up in bullshit. [10:33:42] <billybob> I am just curious. [10:33:55] *** capitano has joined #opensolaris [10:34:00] <quasi> billybob: http://www.matasano.com/log/91/everything-you-need-to-know-about-iscsi-if-you-have-5-minutes-to-learn/ is what someone else doesn't like about iscsi [10:34:14] <jmcp> Fuzzy: not directly what you're after, but an example of how well things work at the kernel level with Solaris and xVM:: http://blogs.sun.com/nilsn/entry/debugging_an_xvm_panic [10:34:15] <bda> matasano++ [10:34:22] <billybob> quasi: I have implemented iSCSI, I do not really need to know anything about it [10:34:31] <capitano> hi [10:34:42] <billybob> I am curious why jmcp idoes not like it [10:34:58] <libkeiser> billybob: whoever thought TCP was a good transport layer for isochronous block-oriented transmission should have all of their advanced degrees shredded before their eyes [10:35:21] <Fuzzy> see this isn't taking out open solaris, just the guest is dying [10:35:22] <quasi> billybob: the link covers some of what's not to like about iscsi [10:35:30] <billybob> so you tink layer2 is a better transport ? [10:35:41] <libkeiser> have you ever read T11? [10:35:56] <Fuzzy> hrm [10:35:57] <jmcp> billybob: Parallel SCSI is a very elegant protocol. It works. It has been proven over many, many years. The IP stack is .... frequently a horrendous pile of goop. Smash the two together and -imnsho- you end up with your packets which previously had a fairly predictable latency now being subject to network latencies and problems [10:35:58] <billybob> nope. [10:36:13] <jmcp> yes, I can see the point why people want to use it. No, I don't think it's a good idea [10:36:18] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [10:36:22] <jmcp> hi ceri [10:36:40] <capitano> I am trying to use qmail,but in the log I see this strange message: no connection to syslog available [10:36:58] <jmcp> capitano: is syslogd running? [10:37:17] <capitano> maybe I must make it listening on ip instead 127.0.0.1 ? [10:37:19] <ceri> jcmp: hey [10:37:42] <jmcp> capitano: no idea. it's qmail you're talking about remember [10:37:53] <trochej> SOA is as much sensible term as the new push to put "business" in every friggin phrase [10:38:08] <trochej> I mean, business intelligence, business processes, business success [10:38:09] <capitano> jmcp, I thought that qmail has his own log system [10:38:18] <ceri> Marketing strategy for this year: s/enterprise/business/ ? [10:38:22] <billybob> jmcp: so you think that copper is not a way to provide external storage ? [10:38:25] <jmcp> capitano: probably - so if there's a #qmail it might be better to join it rather than ask here [10:38:28] <billybob> good way* [10:38:37] <jmcp> billybob: I didn't say that at all [10:38:48] <jmcp> SAS use copper :) [10:38:49] <billybob> nor did i mean to imply that you did [10:38:52] <capitano> cazzate [10:38:52] <billybob> well yeah [10:38:54] <jmcp> as does || SCSI [10:38:59] <billybob> but I mean [10:39:02] <jmcp> and you can even get FC over copper [10:39:09] <jmcp> ah, the T3 [10:39:17] <billybob> you do not think networking storage protocols is a good idea ? [10:39:26] <Fuzzy> brb [10:39:29] *** Fuzzy has left #opensolaris [10:39:32] <jmcp> I don't think using networking protocols to provide storage is a good idea [10:39:36] *** simford has quit IRC [10:39:38] <bda> billybob: Did you read that matasano link? :) [10:39:41] <jmcp> brb [10:40:03] <billybob> for instance I was curious what you may think about AoE as well(which is Layer2) [10:40:18] <billybob> but i guess your last answer answered that [10:40:42] <capitano> setlogsock('inet'); [10:40:49] *** AtomicPnk has quit IRC [10:40:50] <jmcp> and ATA .... that's a dog of a protocol too [10:40:55] <jmcp> not extensible [10:41:02] <jmcp> not very well engineered, either [10:41:05] <jmcp> not compared to SCSI [10:41:12] <libkeiser> the last AoE spec I read was utterly laughable. [10:41:19] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [10:41:20] <billybob> ive used it [10:41:23] <billybob> it is junk [10:41:28] <billybob> I was just curious [10:41:50] <jmcp> so ATA over Ethernet ... that's just silly [10:41:53] <billybob> comparred even to iSCSI it is not even close to being reliable [10:42:02] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [10:42:04] <jmcp> whoever thought that up - I reckon - just wanted to get their boss to pay for a junket [10:42:07] <dlg> jmcp: its silly squared [10:42:13] *** Drone has quit IRC [10:42:14] <jmcp> which takes some doing! [10:42:39] <billybob> well they guy who developed it actually sold hardware based on that idea [10:43:01] <dlg> doesnt mean it was a good idea [10:43:04] <billybob> you can see how well that hardare is doing because EVERYBODY and their brother is raving about it lol [10:43:07] * jmcp erases his comments [10:43:36] <libkeiser> if it is a good idea, you can rest assured it won't win in the market [10:44:05] <capitano> what was the right way to make syslog listen to the ip ? [10:44:06] <bda> The much vaunted wisdom of the market is somewhat overstated. :P [10:44:26] <billybob> I still see lots of goodness in iSCSI, but I personaly think it has a ways to go before it will be even partially embraces [10:44:52] <billybob> for now, people like me who cannot afford other more costly measures will be the ones who use it [10:45:18] <billybob> and even *if* I could afford FC SCSI, I would not buy it [10:45:19] <libkeiser> the sad thing is it will likely kill off FC in all be the upper echelon, despite the fact that it is architecturally laughable in comparison [10:45:31] <billybob> i wold invest that money in SAS instead [10:45:40] <dlg> i love opinions [10:45:54] <billybob> everyone has one . . . [10:46:33] *** JoergB has quit IRC [10:47:27] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris [10:47:53] <billybob> now, when and if PCIe to PCIe dirrect connections are ever implemented like I read about a year ago, I IMagine thatwould kill a lot of this off [10:48:21] <billybob> (if affordable) [10:49:02] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:49:23] <libkeiser> people predicted the same thing with IB years ago. the logic forgets that software is the hard part with storage networks [10:49:44] <billybob> I would think that a 32x pcie would give 10GbE networks a hard time [10:51:19] <billybob> well, its just one of those things I have read about, kind of like port multiplier technology, which actually sort of 'made it' [10:51:37] * dlg yawn [10:51:50] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:52:59] <Fish> hello [10:53:18] <jmcp> hi [10:53:29] *** migi has joined #opensolaris [11:01:12] <trochej> bda: People that really make money from economics know that market wisdom is oversimplification and one outstanding experiment in XIX century in France has shown everybody that without regulations market will not regulate itself the way that consumers may want :) [11:01:23] <fuzzy> https://xen.privatepaste.com/9d1slKeTof [11:01:30] <fuzzy> for those that are interested [11:01:36] <trochej> Also, those people know that market is actually a crowd and not a mythical place :) [11:02:14] <Cyrille> what experiment are you referring to? [11:02:14] <bda> trochej: Yes, but the market is regulated. And thanks to a number of factors, the best technology does not always win out. [11:02:23] <bda> (which is all I was referring to) [11:02:28] <trochej> dlg: There is a saying that opinion is alike as an ass: everyone sits on one :) [11:03:09] <trochej> bda: Oh, THAT is not a problem with market. It extends much beyond the concept of the market [11:03:12] <trochej> :) [11:03:28] * bda nudges the angry badger. [11:03:49] <Cyrille> has it digested the earphones? [11:04:03] *** noyb has quit IRC [11:04:18] *** auto359 has quit IRC [11:04:36] <bda> Evidently not, as they're still cutting out on me. :P [11:05:37] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris [11:06:13] <billybob> anyone here actually use Mono ? [11:06:36] <trochej> Cyrille: Can't remember details now, but there was a special zone, where there were absolutesly no regulations and firms were allowed to play by themselves [11:06:36] *** hile_ has quit IRC [11:07:13] <trochej> Cyrille: It turned out that people with more money simply bullied those with less, using guns, money or whatever was under the hand :) [11:07:29] <trochej> Not that it doesn't happen now :) [11:07:30] <Cyrille> who'd have thought that would happen? [11:07:33] <Cyrille> ;-) [11:07:50] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [11:08:03] <trochej> Cyrille: Yup, we are smart, being people born in the era of corporations and with economics being actually though of as a science :) [11:08:30] <Cyrille> well, it's one of those sciences which is pretty good at predicting the past... [11:09:12] <trochej> Cyrille: Not exactly. It got pretty good at predicting many things, but it lacks the number crunching power. [11:09:34] <Cyrille> ok, it's pretty good at explaining after the fact why its predictions failed. [11:09:37] <Cyrille> ;-) [11:09:56] * cla grabs some popcorn [11:09:57] <trochej> Also it operates on models, which are simplifications of actual data :) [11:10:04] * billybob is trying to figure out why "Restoring Vista HOWTO" is listed under misc of the Solaris howto page [11:10:04] <trochej> Cyrille: That too :) [11:10:27] <trochej> billybob: Because it is miscarriage [11:10:51] <WickedWicky> I'm going back to the ancient years of 2001 [11:10:54] <trochej> Cyrille: It actualy got pretty good at explaining currency fluctuations [11:11:21] <trochej> And many more things which I am happy to forget :) [11:11:22] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [11:11:57] <billybob> so, putting a 'miscarriage' on the Solaris howto page is saying what exactly about SOlaris ?! : / [11:11:58] *** jmcp has quit IRC [11:13:20] <trochej> billybob: That recovering Windows Vista would be a very unfortunate event in ones life [11:14:49] <billybob> hmmm, ok. 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[12:20:50] <seanmcg> Vanuatoo: search for it on opensolaris.org [12:21:02] <trochej> Vanuatoo: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/dtrace/dtracetoolkit/ [12:21:29] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [12:23:08] <Vanuatoo> ok [12:24:44] <trochej> I hear that in sxce there is dtrace demo, but I can't remember path :) [12:26:01] *** bnit1 has joined #opensolaris [12:26:03] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [12:26:12] <seanmcg> /usr/demo/dtrace [12:28:06] *** fredm has quit IRC [12:30:24] *** halton has left #opensolaris [12:35:38] <tsp> trochej: Might you be looking for /usr/demo/dtrace? [12:38:37] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris [12:45:12] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [12:45:12] <trochej> tsp: YUp, thnx :) [12:46:15] <tsp> np [12:47:02] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [12:47:17] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [12:56:05] <tomww> Vanuatoo: look also here: http://prefetch.net/articles/solaris.dtracetopten.html [12:56:22] <Vanuatoo> tomww, thansk [12:56:29] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [12:56:45] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [13:00:48] *** v_l has joined #opensolaris [13:01:40] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [13:01:46] *** giant has joined #opensolaris [13:02:38] *** karrotx has quit IRC [13:03:03] *** v_l has left #opensolaris [13:03:30] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [13:04:46] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [13:05:28] *** Tekni has quit IRC [13:08:51] *** openfanss has joined #opensolaris [13:09:04] *** openfanss is now known as hoolxi [13:09:13] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [13:11:10] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [13:12:15] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [13:13:14] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [13:18:26] *** worklezz has joined #opensolaris [13:19:15] *** worklezz has left #opensolaris [13:19:34] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [13:21:04] *** tenex has quit IRC [13:21:35] *** jonkri has quit IRC [13:25:22] *** Pietro_S_ has joined #opensolaris [13:25:46] *** Pietro_S_ has left #opensolaris [13:26:47] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [13:28:39] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [13:29:11] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [13:29:43] *** master_o1_master has joined #opensolaris [13:31:49] *** giant has quit IRC [13:37:23] *** capitano has quit IRC [13:37:30] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [13:38:50] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [13:40:50] *** solar-star has quit IRC [13:44:47] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [13:44:56] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [13:48:25] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [13:56:06] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [14:03:07] *** rafaeldt has quit IRC [14:06:32] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:06:40] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [14:09:10] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [14:10:42] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [14:10:57] *** ICU has joined #opensolaris [14:11:41] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [14:12:25] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:13:55] *** Tre has joined #opensolaris [14:14:20] <Tre> hi everybody [14:15:17] <jmcp> hi [14:15:21] <Tre> i have a problem with sxde so want to "reinstall", how can i delete the solaris partition from a dual boot system with win xp? [14:15:45] <jmcp> delete the entire partition? use whatever disk manager util is provided with xp [14:16:08] <jmcp> or boot solaris off media to single user, run "fdisk " on your disk, and delete the SOLARIS2 partition [14:16:39] <Tre> and how can i restore the mbr? [14:16:56] *** gherdo has joined #opensolaris [14:17:02] <gherdo> hi [14:17:15] <gherdo> is out there some opensolaris image for qemu? [14:17:18] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [14:17:36] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [14:17:45] <Tre> last time i did a fixmbr from the recovery console on the win xp cd and then my pc didn't star windows! [14:17:50] <jmcp> gherdo: I don't think so [14:18:00] <gherdo> jmcp: ok tnx [14:18:05] <jmcp> Tre: use Windows' fdisk equivalent [14:18:17] <jmcp> Tre: but I think you should google to find some real instructions rather than just taking my word for it [14:18:26] <Tre> jmcp: thanks i will... [14:19:35] <WickedWicky> Tre: You can delete partitions by going to "control panel" and then "System management" [14:19:48] <WickedWicky> choose "Computer Management" there, and then the Disk manager [14:20:34] <WickedWicky> ops, sorry, Administration Tools, is what you're looking for in the control panel [14:20:34] <Tre> WickedWicky: thanks just one more question how can i restore the mbr? [14:20:59] <Tre> because i if delete the solaris partition the grub menu will still there! [14:21:45] <WickedWicky> You should be able to do that by booting fromt he XP CD and repair the installation [14:22:05] <WickedWicky> but [14:22:14] <WickedWicky> If I look at my disk setup [14:22:25] <WickedWicky> grub is placed on the Solaris partition, and made active [14:22:38] <WickedWicky> so you could initialy try to remove the solaris partition and make your XP partition active [14:23:36] <Tre> so i only need to delete the solaris partition and the grub menu will disapear? and only win xp will be there? [14:24:05] <WickedWicky> delete the solaris partition, right click on the XP partition and click on "Make active" [14:24:12] <WickedWicky> that did it for me [14:24:21] *** fftb has quit IRC [14:25:03] <Tre> thanks WickedWicky you helped me a lot! [14:25:20] <WickedWicky> no problem [14:27:34] *** snuff-away has quit IRC [14:28:53] *** Tre has quit IRC [14:28:59] *** hoolxi has quit IRC [14:32:40] *** openfanss has joined #opensolaris [14:33:36] *** kszwed has quit IRC [14:36:14] *** sartek has quit IRC [14:36:17] *** theRealBallchalk has quit IRC [14:36:34] *** theRealBallchalk has joined #opensolaris [14:36:38] *** theRealBallchalk has quit IRC [14:37:43] *** chenggao has joined #opensolaris [14:38:08] *** FireflyST has joined #OpenSolaris [14:38:48] *** stratism has quit IRC [14:45:35] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [14:51:50] *** chenggao has quit IRC [14:52:08] *** chenggao has joined #opensolaris [14:53:15] <ofu> could someone please change the topic to ON 76? [14:53:54] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [14:56:19] <trochej> I could. If I had the priviledge :) [14:58:17] *** ceri has quit IRC [14:59:00] *** blight has joined #opensolaris [14:59:43] <blight> AVS is open source right? So does that mean is free (ie is http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=95159 ut of date)? [15:02:02] <Doomshammer> hi [15:02:13] <Downix> blight: open source != free [15:02:22] <Doomshammer> any recommendations for a cheap 4-port SATA PCI(66MHz) HBA? [15:02:31] <Downix> blight: Quake 3 is open-source, but it's very much not free [15:02:35] *** openfanss has quit IRC [15:02:38] <flyingparchment> blight: i think it was integrated into opensolaris, whether the previous unbundled product is free is anyone's guess [15:03:24] <Doomshammer> SATAII that is [15:04:43] <jmcp> Doomshammer: there's a supermicro board which seems to be quite popular [15:05:18] <Doomshammer> these are PCI-X or PCIe board IIRC [15:05:33] <jmcp> Doomshammer: http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm [15:05:33] <jmcp> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815121009&Tpk=aoc-sat2 [15:05:33] <jmcp> http://www.wiredzone.com/xq/asp/ic.10016527/qx/itemdesc.htm [15:05:34] <blight> Downix: hmm I'm a bit confused here, if I can down load the source and compile myself I could circumvent any license restrictions no? Or am I missing something? [15:05:48] <Doomshammer> yeah.. PCI-X [15:05:54] <jmcp> Doomshammer: pci@ 66MHz should be fine with a PCI-X card [15:06:09] <Downix> blight: depends on a lot of things. In Quakes case, the game content is closed off. In AVG it might be the virus database [15:06:10] <flyingparchment> blight: since it's integrated, it's unlikely to compile on its own, especially on an older release [15:06:13] <Doomshammer> unfortunatelly not.. I've already tried [15:06:23] <Doomshammer> it's an old PIII-1000MHz [15:06:39] <jmcp> Doomshammer: in general, go for a Marvell-based card [15:06:42] <jmcp> hmm [15:06:51] <jmcp> are you sure you can use a 66MHz card in that? [15:06:56] <Doomshammer> yep [15:07:07] <Doomshammer> I've used a Promise SATA300 TX4 [15:07:16] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [15:07:22] <Doomshammer> in it... works fine- besides of that it's not supported by Solaris ;-) [15:07:25] <flyingparchment> blight: you know how SDS was unbundled and now SVM comes with solaris? it's like that [15:07:55] <jmcp> Doomshammer: bummer [15:07:58] <jmcp> hmmm [15:08:35] <Doomshammer> it really sucks.. if you find a supported card, it has hardware raid on it and costs thousands of dollars or it has an unsupported chipset [15:09:10] <jmcp> sil315x generally seems to work, I think [15:10:37] <jmcp> blight: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/nwsc/src/sun_avs [15:11:17] <jmcp> you can pull it down and build it/use it subject to the conditions in the CDDL [15:11:18] <blight> jmcp: so that builds all of AVS? [15:11:22] <Doomshammer> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124020 <-- that one might work [15:11:27] <blight> jmcp: ahh [15:11:28] <Doomshammer> SiI3114 chipset [15:11:45] <blight> jmcp: so does the CDDL say you need to abide by licensing schemes? [15:12:01] <jmcp> blight: what do you think? [15:12:02] <flyingparchment> CDDL _is_ the licensing scheme [15:12:29] <jmcp> http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing and http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/faq [15:13:05] <jmcp> Doomshammer: if it turns out that it has raid firmware on it, then you'll need to do some update_drv mucking around to get it to work, but it should then work ok in legacy (PATA) mode [15:13:14] <blight> jmcp: sorry - I should have asked does the CDDL make provision for paid licensing - will read it now [15:13:27] <flyingparchment> blight: there is no licensing for CDDL-covered code other than the CDDL [15:13:32] <flyingparchment> blight: which allows you to use it for free [15:13:45] <Doomshammer> a RAID controller for 29$? WTF? ;-) [15:13:55] *** logic has quit IRC [15:13:58] <Doomshammer> let me check if it support JBOD [15:13:58] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [15:13:59] <blight> flyingparchment: hmm so what am I paying $300k for 50TB? [15:14:21] <flyingparchment> blight: that version comes with support and doesn't have to be compiled from source [15:14:27] <flyingparchment> blight: if you don't need those things, don't pay :) [15:14:53] <blight> flyingparchment: aha okay ... :-) I should have read more before being lazy and asking here - my bad - thanks anyhow [15:16:06] <Doomshammer> http://www.syba.com/Product/Info/Id/34 <-- jmcp: that's optional SW Raid [15:16:29] <Doomshammer> so basicly it should just provide JBOD, or am i wrong? [15:16:47] <jmcp> Doomshammer: there's currently a thread on storage-discuss about data corruption with sil3114 controllers [15:17:00] <Doomshammer> just read that one [15:17:12] <jmcp> no, it's gonna provide you with raid [15:17:19] <jmcp> not saying how *good* that raid is [15:17:26] <jmcp> but it will be raid [15:17:26] <Doomshammer> *g* [15:17:29] *** natefoo has joined #opensolaris [15:17:30] <jmcp> of some sort [15:18:06] <Doomshammer> so.. why do they call it "PCI 4-channel Serial-ATA host controller card. With optional RAID function" ? [15:18:39] <jmcp> oh, sorry, forgot the "optional" bit [15:18:43] <jmcp> I've seen a lot people buy those and find that they can't actually turn _off_ the raid [15:18:53] <Doomshammer> *sigh* [15:19:06] <Doomshammer> well, thanks for the hint [15:19:22] <natefoo> running b70b on amd64... anyone know if you can change console resolution? [15:19:25] <natefoo> i can't find anything in docs. [15:19:48] <jteo> natefoo: no. [15:19:59] <natefoo> d'oh. [15:20:04] *** FastJack- has joined #opensolaris [15:20:14] <natefoo> thanks jteo. [15:20:45] *** FastJack0 has joined #opensolaris [15:21:24] *** FastJack1 has joined #opensolaris [15:22:04] *** FastJack2 has joined #opensolaris [15:22:42] *** FastJack3 has joined #opensolaris [15:23:22] *** FastJack4 has joined #opensolaris [15:24:00] *** FastJack5 has joined #opensolaris [15:24:32] <Cyrille> that's a lot of fastjacks... [15:27:32] <Tempt> cluster [15:29:00] <trygvis> cluster jack! [15:29:15] <Tempt> and since appear, has said .. jack shit! [15:29:24] <Tempt> appearing, anyway. [15:29:31] <jteo> Sparrow? [15:29:34] <WickedWicky> Jack FM [15:29:41] <WickedWicky> (Toronto radio station) [15:29:46] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [15:30:11] * Tempt watches Heroes ... [15:30:47] * trochej read Tempt watcher whores [15:30:48] <trochej> Uhm [15:31:16] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [15:31:57] <Tempt> Oh dear... [15:33:37] <WickedWicky> tsc tsc tsc [15:34:53] *** FastJack has quit IRC [15:35:13] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [15:36:58] *** cast has joined #opensolaris [15:37:22] *** FastJack2 has quit IRC [15:37:23] *** FastJack0 has quit IRC [15:37:58] *** FastJack0 has joined #opensolaris [15:38:03] *** FastJack1 has quit IRC [15:38:15] *** FastJack- has quit IRC [15:38:17] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [15:38:20] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [15:38:36] *** FastJack1 has joined #opensolaris [15:39:10] *** FastJack- has joined #opensolaris [15:39:34] <Doomshammer> jmcp: ever tried or heard anything of the Adaptec 1210SA? [15:39:35] *** MegAFK is now known as _Megaf [15:39:42] *** FastJack3 has quit IRC [15:39:51] *** FastJack2 has joined #opensolaris [15:40:12] <Doomshammer> They call it a RAID controller (0 and 1) but I think that's kinda software raid in hardware... but from the specs it support JBOD as well [15:40:18] *** FastJack4 has quit IRC [15:40:24] <Doomshammer> but I can't find anything about the chipset [15:40:29] *** FastJack3 has joined #opensolaris [15:40:48] <Tempt> It's doomed. [15:40:49] *** FastJack5 has quit IRC [15:40:54] <jmcp> Doomshammer: off-hand I'm not sure, but it is possible that it uses aac [15:41:00] <jmcp> I'll see what I can find, hang on [15:41:07] <Doomshammer> thanks a bunch [15:41:09] *** FastJack4 has joined #opensolaris [15:41:40] <Doomshammer> at a FreeBSD Mailing list post it says: "SiI S3112 SATA" [15:41:47] *** FastJack5 has joined #opensolaris [15:42:01] <cast> hmm, hey guys, googled around but haven't quite found solution [other than reinstalling] - couldn't boot, booted into failsafe, running failsafe got me this error: WARNING: /pci at 0 dot 0/pci-ide@9/ide@0/cmdk@0,0 (Disk 0): Error for command 'read sector' Error level: Fatal Requested block 5716188, Error Block: 5716188 Sense Key: uncorrectable data error Vendor 'Gen-ATA' error code: 0x7 [15:42:04] <sommerfeld> FastJack1: who are you and why are there four^Wsix of you? [15:42:07] <Berny> doesn't aac only support hbas with raid turned off? [15:42:17] <flyingparchment> cast: that is a physical read error [15:42:22] <flyingparchment> cast: your disk is broken [15:42:25] <Doomshammer> Berny: well. JBOD should be raid turned off :) [15:42:26] *** Vince-_^83 has joined #opensolaris [15:42:33] <Doomshammer> (at least i guess) [15:42:34] <cast> i've ran smart tests but they all passed, hmmm...doh. [15:42:35] <Vince-_^83> CA PU UNIX VIVE WINDOWS [15:42:37] *** Vince-_^83 has left #opensolaris [15:42:42] *** sarahj has quit IRC [15:42:49] <flyingparchment> cast: try running 'format' (i think it's in the failsafe) then run verify -> test [15:43:01] <Berny> oh wait that was the adpu320 driver [15:43:09] <jmcp> cast: I'd say your disk is dying very very fast [15:43:11] <sommerfeld> cast: or, more precisely, at least one of your disk blocks is unrecoverable [15:43:25] <flyingparchment> cast: sorry, i mean analyze -> test [15:43:28] <cast> good thing for zfs mirrors :), ill start backing things up from the good mirror [15:43:51] <jmcp> Doomshammer: http://www.google.com/search?q=lspci+adaptec+1210sa implies that the 1210SA is based on the Sil3112 chip [15:43:58] <jmcp> so it too might work ok in PATA mode [15:44:15] <Doomshammer> great, thanks [15:44:18] <Berny> Doomshammer: yes but if you wanted raid... but that was on the adpu320 driver... (for the dell branded adaptec hba i have where dell's bios doesn't allow to turn off the raid function) [15:44:53] *** natefoo has left #opensolaris [15:45:01] <Doomshammer> Berny: no, I'm just looking for non-raid, but am not able to find anything that fits my needs, so the cheap RAID solution von Adaptec might be an alternative [15:46:34] <Doomshammer> regading dell... I already had the fun on a customers system where they mistakenly sent a PERC/5i instead of a SAS/5i ... that's really ugly to get it running [15:46:55] <jmcp> lsimega might work with PERC/5i [15:47:00] <flyingparchment> perc makes me sad [15:47:11] <Doomshammer> jmcp: correct.. but not with the Dell Version :) [15:47:13] <jmcp> and dlg's mfi driver works nicely with MegaSAS [15:47:21] <jmcp> Doomshammer: that would be right [15:47:24] * jmcp sighs [15:47:35] <flyingparchment> actually, megaraid makes me sad too.. since solaris supports raid management for mpt, but not lsimega :) [15:47:49] <Doomshammer> jmcp: http://blog.pebcak.de/archives/701-Update-Solaris-10-on-a-Dell-PowerEdge-1950.html <-- my trail of pain ;-) [15:48:15] <Downix> I am about ready to give up on Solaris on this SPARC here [15:48:28] <jmcp> Downix: explain [15:48:51] *** FastJack2 has quit IRC [15:49:14] *** FastJack1 has quit IRC [15:49:17] <flyingparchment> Doomshammer: not being able to see where a link goes by hovering over it is incredibly annoying [15:49:18] *** FastJack0 has quit IRC [15:49:21] *** FastJack3 has quit IRC [15:49:25] <Downix> jmcp: can't get it installed. The machine won't read it's own CD-ROM, and trying to get a network install going is pulling teeth as the install CD thinks it's not an install CD [15:49:26] *** FastJack2 has joined #opensolaris [15:50:07] *** FastJack4 has quit IRC [15:50:16] *** FastJack- has quit IRC [15:50:20] <Doomshammer> flyingparchment: i'm sorry, but a) that's S9Y... and b) if you hover over it, it should show you the link with the 'title="foo"' tag [15:50:21] <jmcp> Downix: you've setup a jumpstart server? [15:50:36] *** gherdo has left #opensolaris [15:50:37] *** FastJack5 has quit IRC [15:50:38] *** FastJack has quit IRC [15:51:02] <Downix> jmcp: it won't setup. I run the install script which just spits out ERROR: /mnt/s1/Solaris_10/Tools/Boot is not a valid install boot image [15:51:06] *** FastJack2 is now known as FastJack [15:51:28] <jteo> you loopback mounted the SPARC dvd? [15:51:59] <Downix> jteo: I've done it loopback and from the actual CD [15:52:10] <jmcp> Downix: I had to play around a few times with the syntax to get that bit fixed up [15:52:23] <jmcp> unfortunately I can't recall the exact syntax [15:52:38] <Downix> jmcp: seems a bit overcomplicated to get an OS running. [15:53:19] <Tempt> Well [15:53:30] <Tempt> trying getting a peecee installed with a broken optical drive [15:54:30] <jmcp> Downix: so what command line did you use to the setup_install_server script? [15:54:51] <Downix> jmcp: ./setup_install_server /export/install/s10_relcode [15:55:14] <Downix> at this point tempted to just put OpenBSD on the sucker and forget it. [15:55:36] <jmcp> Downix: so did you use the -t option to tell the script where the boot server is? [15:56:04] <jmcp> Downix: you know, one of the options that is printed when you get the script usage incorrect, or use "-h" [15:56:16] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [15:56:17] <Downix> ok [15:57:15] <Downix> jmcp: get the same error [15:58:48] <Downix> if I try and use the .iso image for comparison, it gets that the install source directory doesn't exist [15:58:51] <jmcp> what was the exact command you just ran? [15:59:00] <Downix> ./setup_install_server -t /export/home/nat/sol-10-u4-ga-sparc-v1.iso /export/install/ [15:59:05] <Downix> ERROR: Install boot image /export/home/nat/sol-10-u4-ga-sparc-v1.iso does not exist [15:59:17] <Downix> before that # ./setup_install_server -t /mnt/s1 /export/install/s10_relcode [15:59:48] *** AtomicPnk has joined #opensolaris [16:01:12] <Downix> alternatively, if I cound figure out why it's not reading the CD-ROM [16:01:17] <jmcp> Downix: mount the iso again on /mnt, then cd to /mnt/......./Tools/ ; ./setup_install_server -t /mnt/..../Tools/Boot /export/install/s10_relcode [16:01:28] <jmcp> substitute appropriate paths for the ..... [16:01:33] <Downix> right [16:01:41] <Downix> jmcp: then it says "no such file or directory" [16:01:47] <jmcp> the file that the script is looking for is ${BOOT_DIR}/.tmp_proto [16:01:58] <jmcp> was there any more to the message than just that? [16:02:13] <Downix> nope [16:02:25] <Downix> just that there was no such file or directory as Boot [16:02:47] <Downix> Hmm [16:02:55] <jmcp> Downix: did you plug in the correct pathname> [16:02:58] <Downix> any idea why the SPARC can't see it's CD-ROM? [16:03:01] <Downix> jmcp: yes [16:03:09] <Downix> the Boot is a link to ../../s1 [16:03:10] <jmcp> ? [16:03:10] <jmcp> this is for the Boot subdirectory under the Tools directory where you're running ./setup_install_server from [16:03:16] <Downix> if I mount it normally, it's cdrom0 [16:03:19] <Downix> right [16:03:25] <Berny> Downix: broken drive? [16:03:50] <Downix> Berny: the drive seems ok, it'll spin up if it's not in the SPARC. But if I boot cdrom it doesn't even spin up. [16:03:57] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [16:04:08] <jmcp> how old is it? [16:04:13] <Downix> the machine? 7 years [16:04:14] <Tempt> 20 years [16:04:17] <Berny> Downix: should be the label of the iso on the cd so something like SOL10U4 or whatever [16:04:34] <Downix> Berny, right. [16:05:41] <Downix> I'm tempted to tahe the HD out and use QEMU to get an OS installed onto it [16:05:49] <Downix> erm, s/tahe/take [16:05:52] <jmcp> that won't work [16:05:57] <Downix> jmcp: ok [16:06:10] <jmcp> Downix: this ISO you've got - is that for the DVD or CD version? [16:06:14] <Downix> CD [16:06:21] <Downix> don't have any blank DVD's [16:06:33] <Downix> plus only a CD-ROM in the machine [16:06:42] <jmcp> nono, the iso image you've used lofiadm to mount [16:07:07] <Downix> it's a CD version [16:07:24] <Downix> I didn't bother downloading the DVD version because the machine doesn't have a DVD-ROM [16:07:25] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [16:07:40] <jteo> the SPARC cd has to be lofi mounted in a specific manner. [16:07:46] <Downix> hmm [16:07:46] <WickedWicky> you could try to download the DVD image and lofiadm it though [16:07:47] <jmcp> ok, so you have the interesting situation that you need to futz around a bit with your cd1 iso image in order to get slice 1 mount [16:07:47] <jteo> which i can't recall offhand. [16:07:48] <jmcp> ed [16:07:55] <Downix> ok [16:08:00] <jteo> jmcp would know. :) [16:08:01] <Downix> I'll putz with it a bit [16:08:11] <Downix> no big rush, just fustrating [16:08:19] <jmcp> Downix: pulling down the DVD iso is actually a *much* better option, even though you don't have a DVD drive - because all those fs links are valid [16:08:21] <Downix> but keeps me away from fixing printer drivers.... [16:08:27] *** snuff-away has joined #opensolaris [16:08:39] <jmcp> Downix: if you could burn the cd1 ISO and physically mount it, you'd actually see 4 or 5 slices mounted [16:08:44] <Downix> jmcp: ok. Let me clear up some HD room [16:08:45] *** estibi__ has joined #opensolaris [16:08:55] <Downix> jmcp: Guess that means buying a blank DVD [16:09:05] <flyingparchment> what's a reasonable, cheap FC HBA? [16:09:07] <jmcp> you don't have to burn the DVD iso [16:09:12] <jmcp> flyingparchment: qlogic or emulex [16:09:15] <Downix> have a DVD-ROM reader on the server [16:09:25] <jmcp> Downix: you just need the DVD iso so that you can lofimount it [16:09:28] <Downix> ok [16:09:39] <Downix> I'm going to take a break to download that [16:09:48] <jmcp> ok [16:10:31] <jteo> the u10 i had had a broken cd-rom too. [16:10:50] <Tempt> emulex be damned; qlogic is the clear winner here. [16:10:59] <jteo> it took me a whole night of futzing around before i found out that certain magic is involved in loopback mounting the sparc cd. -sigh- [16:12:04] <jmcp> Downix: please read www.unix.com/tips-tutorials/18074-create-solaris-jumpstart-iso.html for an example of what needs to happen with the CD iso verrsion [16:12:10] <axisys> how do I add this in /etc/hostname.ce3 so it sticks followed by a reboot? route add 6.7.33.130 6.7.33.134 -interface [16:12:29] *** xOmega has joined #opensolaris [16:12:30] *** estibi__ is now known as _estibi_ [16:12:39] *** xOmega has left #opensolaris [16:13:16] *** openfanss has joined #opensolaris [16:13:27] *** openfanss is now known as hoolxi [16:14:11] *** _estibi_ is now known as estibi_off [16:14:46] <flyingparchment> hmm, and can i assume a basic LSI SAS HBA is going to be supported by solaris? (no RAID or anything) [16:15:17] <Downix> jmcp: tyvm. [16:15:41] <WickedWicky> the speed of our office network is to die for today [16:15:44] <WickedWicky> 70K/s [16:15:49] <jmcp> flyingparchment: yes, with mpt(7d) [16:16:12] <jmcp> flyingparchment: and you can talk to me about that directly since it's the driver I work on [16:16:15] <Tempt> flyingparchment: yes, with LSI's own itmpt driver [16:16:19] <Tempt> :) [16:16:24] <jmcp> ... when I'm not working on the associated management utils [16:16:33] <WickedWicky> mpt? as in, the mpt I need for my creative zen vision:m to get working? [16:16:36] <jmcp> Tempt: look for 125081-10 / 125082-10 in the next few days [16:16:49] <flyingparchment> i had to use itmpt for this dell, no support in mpt :( [16:16:52] <Tempt> jmcp: Any reason to look in particular? [16:16:54] <flyingparchment> jmcp: is that the mpt patch? :) [16:17:01] <jmcp> yes [16:17:06] <axisys> what is the fastest way to label 96 disks? [16:17:08] <Tempt> Exciting new functionality? [16:17:09] <jmcp> Tempt: yes, there is [16:17:14] <flyingparchment> axisys: prtvtoc | fmthard -s - [16:17:25] <jmcp> well, *I* think it's exciting [16:17:27] <WickedWicky> axisys: when they're identical prvtoc and fmthard [16:17:28] <Tempt> flyingparchment: That won't work if they don't have a label already [16:17:34] <flyingparchment> it won't? drat [16:17:37] <WickedWicky> oh [16:17:38] <axisys> c6t600A0B800029A76400000668471E14EFd0 <SUN-CSM200_R-0619 cyl 65533 alt 2 hd 128 sec 69> [16:17:46] <axisys> they look like the above line [16:17:47] <flyingparchment> axisys: zfs ;) [16:17:58] <Tempt> jmcp: I've obviously missed the background on your driver. [16:18:02] <axisys> flyingparchment: i still have to label them first [16:18:06] * dclarke falls in [16:18:07] <flyingparchment> no you don't [16:18:08] <Tempt> jmcp: What's cooking? [16:18:11] <flyingparchment> zfs will write an EFI label itself [16:18:23] <axisys> flyingparchment: wow! i did not know that.. thnax [16:18:30] <dclarke> axisys : good morning ... what are you doing ? [16:18:39] <jmcp> Tempt: I'll find you a link [16:18:57] <Tempt> jmcp: Any big improvements over itmpt? Any reason why I should switch? [16:19:05] <WickedWicky> how do I unEFi a ZFS disk btw, since since I ZFS-ed an entire disk the disk is unusuable , format-> label doesnt help either [16:19:06] <axisys> dclarke: I attached 6 6140 with 16 disks on each [16:19:19] *** bzcrib- has joined #opensolaris [16:19:22] <dclarke> axisys: nice storage [16:19:29] <dclarke> axisys: daisey chained ? [16:19:33] <axisys> dclarke: i created 96 raid 0s [16:19:33] <Tempt> WickedWicky: format -e [16:19:38] <Tempt> WickedWicky: choose smi when you label [16:19:41] <dclarke> axisys: or plugged into brocade(s) etc ? [16:19:45] <jmcp> Tempt: PSARC 2006/703 MPxIO extension for Serial Attached SCSI [16:19:54] <axisys> dclarke: fc attached [16:20:03] <dclarke> axisys: nice and easy .. [16:20:12] <axisys> 64 of them sas and 36 sata [16:20:15] <Tempt> jmcp: Nifty. [16:20:18] <dclarke> axisys: are you using ZFS on these ? [16:20:23] <WickedWicky> Tempt: thankies [16:20:32] <axisys> dclarke: not build the fs yet.. but that is the plan [16:20:45] <jmcp> Tempt: and PSARC 2007/046 stmsboot(1M) extension for mpt(7D) (my personal favourite) [16:20:50] <axisys> dclarke: still looking for a way to tell the raid controller to ignore zfs flush cache [16:20:51] <flyingparchment> WickedWicky: unusable how? solaris should be okay with efi labels [16:20:58] <dclarke> axisys: if you are going ZFS then don't waste another moment worrying about labels on those disks [16:21:17] <axisys> dclarke: yeap .. so was told by flyingparchment :-) [16:21:27] <WickedWicky> flyingparchment: when I reinstall the OS, I cant select the disk, it tells me the label can't be read [16:21:34] <axisys> dclarke: morning btw [16:21:35] <flyingparchment> hm. weird [16:21:35] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [16:21:39] <Tempt> jmcp: How many storage vendors are doing multipathed SAS these days? [16:21:42] <dclarke> axisys: cache is another issue ... not sure why you would want to mess with it though [16:21:46] *** phimic has quit IRC [16:21:55] <Tempt> jmcp: (I haven't worked with enough SAS to know how the cabling/layout works) [16:21:58] * dclarke reaches for coffee [16:22:10] <ofu> multipathed sas? [16:22:13] <jmcp> Tempt: just Sun, I believe :) [16:22:20] <jmcp> well, in terms of drivers [16:22:27] <jmcp> LSI makes multipath-capable arrays [16:22:30] <jmcp> ST2530 [16:22:35] <jmcp> ofu: yeah, it's goodness [16:22:37] <ofu> i tried supermicro-shelfs with lsi-controllers, but the channel reset didnt work as expected [16:22:46] <axisys> dclarke: this is why http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/?itemid=44 [16:23:04] <ofu> cable problem means device reset on both sides [16:23:19] <axisys> dclarke: u want to take advantage of nvram cache [16:23:24] <Pietro_S> laca: Is it safe to ingnore Obsolvet popery in spec file? I don't know where to put it in IPS ... [16:23:31] <dclarke> phone rings [16:23:32] <axisys> dclarke: suppose to make it 100 times faster write [16:23:52] <ofu> how many multipathed sas storages can be ordered as jbods? That would be much more interesting [16:24:01] *** jhawk has quit IRC [16:24:03] <laca> Pietro_S: yeah, it's basically ignored by everything currently [16:24:06] <Pietro_S> and I don't see any use in spec-files-extra as obsolvete packages are deleted from repository [16:24:27] <laca> it's for keeping track of package renames [16:24:37] <laca> but it's not currently used [16:25:23] <flyingparchment> does the X4100 have PCIe or PCI-x slots? [16:25:42] <jmcp> ofu: none from Sun as far as I'm aware [16:26:00] <jmcp> I did ask about it, but I don't recall the response being favourable [16:26:06] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [16:28:09] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [16:28:18] <Pietro_S> by the way, lot's of packages are broken in SFE :-( (inkspace, qt, azureus, ...) I'm thinking about making some server just for testing SFE packages, and when I finish with ips stuff, we could use this srver as source of ips repository, what do you think about it? [16:29:56] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK [16:30:58] <Pietro_S> laca: is there any clear way how to test that package us subpackage? Right now I'm just testing for -devel ... (the other sub packages are ignored) [16:31:15] <axisys> so does anyone know how to add it permamnently using /etc/hostname.ce3 route add 6.7.33.130 6.7.33.134 -interface ? [16:33:02] <laca> Pietro_S: well, subpackages are user defined, there's nothing special about them, just conventions [16:33:09] *** sommerfeld_work has joined #opensolaris [16:33:35] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [16:33:39] <laca> Pietro_S: a test machine would be great [16:33:48] <laca> i also noticed that a lot of pkgs are broken [16:34:04] <laca> many are just missing Requires/BuildRequires lines, i think [16:35:16] <ofu> Infortrend has dualpathed sas-jbods, but sells them as expansion units to their raid heads only [16:35:28] *** ICU has quit IRC [16:35:49] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [16:35:59] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [16:36:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [16:36:33] <Pietro_S> laca: I wanted some way how to query them, but I think I got it (main package is always listed as first by $spec->get_packages ...) [16:37:23] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [16:40:21] <laca> right [16:40:23] *** program_ has joined #opensolaris [16:42:12] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [16:42:17] *** sommerfeld_work has quit IRC [16:42:30] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [16:42:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [16:51:13] *** program has quit IRC [16:51:28] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:51:49] *** phs2 has joined #opensolaris [16:56:48] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [17:00:58] *** pschow has quit IRC [17:04:36] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [17:04:41] *** tenex has joined #opensolaris [17:06:29] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [17:06:41] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [17:08:02] *** jmcp has quit IRC [17:09:54] <tomww> axisys: put the "add 6.7.33.130 6.7.33.134 -interface" into /etc/inet/static_routes - should help but pls check the syntax. eventually the nearest interface is chosen by route self (man route) [17:11:05] *** smg_ has joined #opensolaris [17:12:16] <flyingparchment> can someone please compile this code on a SPARC system as 64-bit, with -S (produce asm) and paste the output somewhere? http://rafb.net/p/hXwEeG25.html [17:12:55] <quasi> tomww: why not just use -p for persistent routes? [17:14:32] *** program has joined #opensolaris [17:15:18] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:15:33] <tenex> compile it with which compiler? [17:15:43] <flyingparchment> tenex: any. studio should work [17:15:58] <tenex> just wondering about preference [17:16:47] <tsoome> hi, anyone have exp with X.25/FTAM? [17:17:38] *** pfa3rh has joined #opensolaris [17:19:16] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [17:20:30] <axisys> tomww: thnx [17:21:08] <quasi> tsoome: surely those are dead long ago? [17:21:15] <tsoome> nope [17:21:32] <tsoome> its even running on S10 [17:21:48] <tsoome> and unfortunately some telcos are still running it.( [17:21:53] *** charlesn1 has joined #opensolaris [17:22:04] *** charlesn1 has quit IRC [17:22:49] <tsoome> and for some reason i cant get new system to get ftam connection up:( [17:23:27] <tenex> flyingparchment: I'll have to try later with sun studio, since it calls for an include I don't have on this machine [17:23:44] <flyingparchment> tenex: oh, i forgot to mention, it's C++ code :) [17:23:47] <tenex> oh [17:24:23] <tenex> you want the a.out? [17:24:24] *** charlesn1 has joined #opensolaris [17:26:13] <flyingparchment> tenex: the .s file [17:26:16] <Triskelios> tenex: he wants -S for asm [17:26:51] *** program_ has quit IRC [17:27:00] *** Netwolf_ has joined #opensolaris [17:27:51] <tenex> k, pastbinning [17:27:57] <tenex> paste* [17:28:45] <tenex> http://rafb.net/p/OPz2S991.html [17:29:04] <tenex> I hope that's what you wanted, although it's from gnu on sparc [17:29:05] <flyingparchment> tenex: was that with -m64? [17:29:13] <tenex> shit, sorry, i forgot [17:29:16] <tenex> haha, one sec [17:29:17] <flyingparchment> :) [17:30:16] <tenex> http://rafb.net/p/b3HTKW78.html [17:30:32] <flyingparchment> great. thanks [17:30:41] <tenex> yw [17:32:53] <axisys> quasi: did not see your comment until now.. i will try the persistent route option [17:34:14] *** MattMan has quit IRC [17:35:02] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [17:35:10] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [17:35:52] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [17:36:32] <flyingparchment> is %g0 on sparc special? [17:36:40] <steleman> kind of [17:37:31] <flyingparchment> i'm looking at this asm, and i don't see where %g0 is initiliased before being used to pass arguments.. does it start as 0? [17:40:36] *** millhouse513 has joined #opensolaris [17:40:39] <millhouse513> hey [17:40:44] *** Netwolf has quit IRC [17:41:01] <millhouse513> has anyone used Aperi? [17:41:36] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [17:41:59] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [17:45:04] *** bzcrib- has quit IRC [17:46:43] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [17:47:11] <Triskelios> aha, graphical corruption in gnome panel taskbar buttons happens when a button flashes on notify [17:48:15] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [17:48:49] *** comay has quit IRC [17:50:10] <stevel> flyingparchment: %g0 is always 0 i thought [17:50:19] <flyingparchment> ah. that makes sense [17:51:04] <stevel> it shouldn't be used to pass arguments though :) it's just a constant value [17:51:43] <flyingparchment> yeah, the code is doing stx %g0, [%sp + offset] [17:51:48] <flyingparchment> to pass 0's to a function [17:52:04] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [17:52:09] *** deather has quit IRC [17:52:19] * stevel nods [17:52:23] <stevel> okay that makes sense then [17:52:40] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [17:52:52] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [17:53:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [17:54:12] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [17:55:07] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [17:57:41] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [17:59:50] <tenex> ls [18:00:47] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [18:01:04] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [18:02:49] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [18:03:27] *** hoolxi has quit IRC [18:05:03] <millhouse513> how do i get the webconsole to allow outside IP connections (that is, other than 127.0.0.1)? [18:06:43] *** charlesn1 has quit IRC [18:07:10] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [18:08:19] <Triskelios> millhouse513: I think it's options/tcp_listen in the service [18:11:52] *** peteh has quit IRC [18:14:40] <bubbva> oops - hate it when I leave myself logged in overnight. [18:15:47] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [18:16:15] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [18:22:22] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [18:23:28] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [18:24:41] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [18:25:40] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:28:52] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [18:33:00] *** webmink_away has joined #opensolaris [18:35:24] *** webmink_away has quit IRC [18:35:27] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris [18:35:40] <ceri> webmink: congrats on the fellowship [18:35:50] <webmink> THank-you! [18:36:11] <ceri> Most welcome :) [18:36:12] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris [18:36:39] <webmink> Not that post-nominal letters are in fashion right now :-) [18:37:06] <ceri> Sure, but you can save them up. Adds to your Scrabble score too [18:37:39] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris [18:37:55] <Triskelios> wow, congrats [18:38:15] *** tenex has quit IRC [18:39:05] * ceri must get around to filling his citp application one of these days [18:39:26] <webmink> ceri: I can sponsor an MBCS application [18:39:43] <webmink> It's one of the "benefits" of being a Fellow I gather [18:39:57] <ceri> oh rly? I doubt I'll qualify, but I'll take a look :) [18:40:25] <webmink> MBCS comes with pretty much automatic CITP [18:40:40] <ceri> <clickety-click> oh yeah! [18:42:15] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC [18:42:21] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [18:42:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [18:42:29] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:42:55] <webmink> ceri: All I need is details to complete http://forms.bcs.org/recommend/ [18:43:32] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [18:44:15] <ceri> webmink: ok, cool. Is that an offer? I'd gratefully take you up on that! [18:44:24] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [18:44:25] <webmink> It is, yes [18:44:31] <webmink> webmink at sun dot com [18:44:52] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [18:44:55] <ceri> webmink: thank you very much [18:45:51] <ceri> webmink: will mail later, I hear a baby waking up... [18:45:55] <webmink> We need more non-MSFT-types in the BCS [18:45:59] <webmink> k [18:46:07] <ceri> cheers, bye all [18:46:09] *** ceri has quit IRC [18:48:55] *** sarahj has left #opensolaris [18:49:03] *** phs2 has quit IRC [18:49:14] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [18:49:17] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [18:49:34] *** blight has quit IRC [18:49:41] <cast> newbie question: is SXCE 75a the same as the 9/07 developer edition? i've noticed in the install it saying developer edition [18:50:28] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [18:51:47] <Rivelli> theres no way to install the current solaris releases via CD (not dvd) right? Anyone know of any ISO's out there? Preferably Developer edition, but at least Solaris 10... [18:52:15] <Triskelios> cast: SXDE is usually the same as SXCE, but quarterly instead of bi-weekly [18:52:24] <Triskelios> Rivelli: SXCE still puts out CDs [18:53:03] <Triskelios> Rivelli: you only really need CD 1 if you can put the DVD image on NFS [18:53:30] <Triskelios> cast: so SXDE 9/07 == SXCE b70a [18:54:30] * cast nods [18:55:46] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [18:56:58] *** migi has quit IRC [18:57:41] *** JBeck has quit IRC [18:59:06] <Rivelli> Triskelios: lol, i should have seen the CD link download. I was use to only the DVD options on the sun site but the CD one is clearly there on the opensolaris one. Thanks [18:59:17] <Pietro_S> sry for OT: isn't there any way how to save marks in vim for some file? [18:59:57] <Rivelli> im excited now, i dont have to get a new dvd drive afterall :D [19:03:07] *** RealWickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [19:03:39] <RealWickedWicky> howedy [19:03:44] <Rivelli> hey [19:03:45] *** RealWickedWicky is now known as WickedWicky [19:03:59] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [19:05:07] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [19:07:40] <millhouse513> Triskelios: where do I edit that? [19:07:46] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [19:08:30] *** Chihan has quit IRC [19:10:11] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [19:11:13] *** bnit1 has left #opensolaris [19:12:39] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [19:14:51] <millhouse513> how do you configure smcwebconsole to allow any ip connection? [19:17:15] *** smg_ has quit IRC [19:20:34] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [19:21:53] *** smg_ has joined #opensolaris [19:22:51] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [19:24:11] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [19:28:57] <axisys> millhouse513: set it like this [19:29:00] <axisys> <propval name='tcp_listen' type='boolean' value='true' /> [19:29:02] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [19:29:03] *** smg_ is now known as seanmcg [19:29:11] <axisys> on /var/svc/manifest/system/webconsole.xml file [19:29:29] <axisys> then svcadm restart webcosnole I think or disable/enable [19:34:24] <Triskelios> what are you editing the manifest for? [19:37:07] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris [19:38:31] <seanmcg> yatesy, never edit manifests (if one can) use svccfg(1M) instead [19:38:47] <seanmcg> s/yatesy/yes/ damn tab strikes again [19:40:29] <Triskelios> if it's an option in the manifest, it's meant to be changed with svccfg... that's why it's an option [19:42:10] *** noyb_ has quit IRC [19:42:52] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris [19:44:24] <millhouse513> axisys: it seems to already be set like that [19:48:14] <seanmcg> millhouse513: so the output of: 'svcprop -p options/tcp_listen webconsole' is 'true' ? [19:48:53] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [19:49:20] <millhouse513> yes [19:52:25] *** cydork has quit IRC [19:56:16] <SplasPood> Hrm... I just had an event where all my iscsi targets seemed to lose connection at once, non network related and now, even after rebooting the client systems, I cannot login to most of the targets: [19:56:17] <SplasPood> iscsiadm: Could not login session (err 5). [19:56:17] <SplasPood> iscsiadm: initiator reported error (5 - encountered iSCSI login failure) [19:56:26] <SplasPood> anyone have any thoughts? [19:56:29] <SplasPood> iscsitadm shows no active connections to the targets [19:56:55] <estibi> hey, the topic is still outdated, the latest ON is 76 [19:58:31] * bubbva is away: away [19:59:08] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [19:59:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [20:00:12] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC [20:02:44] <millhouse513> SplasPood: Hmm... I don't know, I haven't had that problem with my iscsi setup [20:02:47] *** millhouse513 has quit IRC [20:05:09] <SplasPood> now none of the targets I care about even show up via a discovery [20:06:23] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [20:07:01] *** Downix has quit IRC [20:08:09] <SplasPood> hrm [20:08:10] *** yippi has quit IRC [20:08:19] <SplasPood> and when I make changes to the target acl list with iscsitadm [20:08:20] <SplasPood> then do a [20:08:25] <SplasPood> zfs set shareiscsi=off [20:08:27] <SplasPood> and back on again [20:08:31] <SplasPood> all my changes have reverted [20:08:36] <SplasPood> the acl I removed is there [20:08:39] <SplasPood> the one I added is gone [20:11:29] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [20:12:18] <SplasPood> argh this is horrible [20:12:20] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [20:13:05] <dclarke> does anyone know if patch 122300-14 for Solaris 9 has been released? The previosu rev is marked OBSOLETE [20:13:43] <dclarke> Obsoleted by: 122300-14 SunOS 5.9: Kernel Patch [20:13:53] <dclarke> Tue Oct 30 09:46:25 MDT 2007 [20:15:14] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [20:21:01] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [20:21:19] *** locy has joined #opensolaris [20:23:06] *** noyb has quit IRC [20:23:57] *** trede has joined #opensolaris [20:26:40] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [20:26:45] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [20:32:12] *** duck_ has quit IRC [20:32:44] *** cast has left #opensolaris [20:33:25] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [20:33:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [20:33:33] <nrubsig> !seen dmarker [20:35:31] <nrubsig> Did anyone see dmarker today ? [20:37:16] *** loky has quit IRC [20:40:33] <SplasPood> ahh I think I figured it out... I had 1 IP listed in two diff tpgt lists [20:40:36] <SplasPood> seems thats a no no [20:41:14] <logic_> hi, i am trying to run xvm according to the install text from fuzzy, what i dont understand, how do i get the /usr/lib/xen/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-xen-686? [20:41:22] *** trede has quit IRC [20:42:21] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [20:44:59] *** webmink has quit IRC [20:45:45] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris [20:45:52] <virgee> hello to all [20:46:01] <virgee> this is tomas from czech republic [20:46:12] <virgee> i have a question about opensolaris and kerberos [20:46:16] <virgee> as a client [20:46:45] <virgee> does anyone have experience with OS in vmware and kerberos on host machine ? [20:47:06] <virgee> i have this config as my testing environment [20:47:09] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [20:47:23] <virgee> before goinf straight into real config at univeristy labs [20:48:05] *** rockets has quit IRC [20:48:39] <virgee> sorry for typos [20:49:40] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [20:49:49] *** Tpent1 is now known as Tpenta [20:49:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [20:50:33] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [20:51:42] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [20:52:25] <dclarke> and now for something completely different : http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/271887 Dog shoots hunter [20:52:43] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [20:52:46] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [20:53:21] <virgee> dclarke: crazy story, but story makers prepared me to such situation (on episode of CSI: Las Vegas had this theme) ;) [20:54:17] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris [21:00:08] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [21:03:10] *** jollyd has quit IRC [21:04:16] *** deather_ has quit IRC [21:09:34] *** stevel has quit IRC [21:16:41] *** rockets has quit IRC [21:17:06] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [21:17:31] *** Kush- has left #opensolaris [21:18:20] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [21:23:19] *** virgee has quit IRC [21:23:53] *** ceri has quit IRC [21:29:44] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [21:31:10] *** piwi has quit IRC [21:32:06] *** Shiv_1 has left #opensolaris [21:33:31] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [21:34:16] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [21:39:01] *** lidi20 has joined #opensolaris [21:39:41] *** Alpha_Cluster has joined #opensolaris [21:40:35] *** locy has quit IRC [21:40:57] *** lidi20 has quit IRC [21:41:07] *** timsf has quit IRC [21:45:51] *** MegAFK is now known as _Megaf [21:50:08] *** nasser has joined #OpenSolaris [21:50:19] *** Alpha_Cluster has quit IRC [21:51:13] <nasser> phoronix said: Project Indiana Coming Tomorrow [21:51:26] <nasser> is that true ? [21:53:23] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [21:53:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [21:54:04] <Triskelios> nasser: that's the deadline for the preview [21:56:06] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [22:05:10] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [22:06:17] <alanc> nasser: depends if we can keep the caffiene flowing to the team working on it [22:06:56] <alanc> but that's just a prototype/proof-of-concept/preview, not the full/finished/debugged release [22:09:33] <nrubsig> Why do I have the feeling that http://youlikehere.com/l/error/id/3912972/ wants to install a trojaner ? [22:10:46] <flyingparchment> will the preview release be accompanied by open development process? [22:11:47] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [22:12:09] <tsp> nrubsig: what is activeX video whatever that is? [22:12:13] <nrubsig> flyingparchment: ask that at indiana-eng at sun dot com [22:12:22] * tsp guesses its a thinly disguised virus [22:12:30] <nrubsig> tsp: I guess the *.exe is the trojaner [22:12:41] <tsp> ah, there it is [22:12:56] <nrubsig> tsp: I'll try it later today in a VMware sandbox [22:13:04] <nrubsig> maybe it's fun [22:13:12] <tsp> most of them are dumb [22:13:16] <nrubsig> yeah [22:13:19] *** hile_ has quit IRC [22:13:49] <sommerfeld> the whole video codec morass conditioning people to install random bits of binary [22:13:50] <tsp> there was one that played keygen music at you forever and hooked itself into your winlogon [22:14:01] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [22:14:05] <tsp> that was fun [22:14:32] <tsp> people had to run that one, and everyone knew what it was so it wasn't technically a trojan though :) [22:14:37] *** yippi has quit IRC [22:15:08] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [22:15:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [22:15:13] <nrubsig> Hurray"! [22:15:19] * nrubsig greets stevel [22:15:35] * nrubsig bows in front of the mighty stevel ... [22:15:40] <nrubsig> ... and breaks his back! [22:16:12] <wesolows> zot [22:16:16] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [22:16:37] <cmihai> tsp, I was wondering, do you happen to use Linux? [22:17:53] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [22:17:58] <nrubsig> wesolows: ?! [22:19:12] *** medar has quit IRC [22:20:37] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [22:23:23] *** yippi has quit IRC [22:25:36] *** fredm has quit IRC [22:27:03] *** rappf has joined #opensolaris [22:29:05] <tsp> cmihai: yup [22:29:35] <tsp> cmihai: I do most of my work over ssh to the sparc beside me, but I have linux either native or in a vm depending on where I'm booted [22:29:56] <tsp> but as long as I have ed, edbrowse, mutt, irssi, and a few other things I can run on almost anything [22:30:24] <tsp> Can solaris support, on amd64 processors, more than 4gb of ram? I've googled, but I can't find too much info on it [22:30:32] <kjetilho> eh, of course it can [22:30:59] <kjetilho> that's why the first Sun x86 servers used AMD rather than Intel [22:31:10] <cmihai> tsp, do you mind a question or 2? [22:31:15] <tsp> cmihai: go ahead [22:31:49] <cmihai> tsp, what distribution do you use, does it have an included screen reader for the installer (Orca, orcas, something like that) and how good is it? I have a... let's say friend trying to install Linux... [22:32:11] <tsp> I use arch [22:32:13] <sommerfeld> tsp: got one with 32GB here. [22:32:26] <tsp> it's for power users though :) [22:32:56] <tsp> I tried ubuntu on friday/saturday or something, and the experience was dreadful - orca spoke, but you had to do some terminal magic to get the installer to talk [22:33:25] <kjetilho> I once helped a blind user make a Linux console keymap so that it worked almost like a Braille keyboard. ASDF JKL; were all different shift modfiers, so you pressed a combination of these, then SPACE to make a character [22:33:42] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [22:33:43] <cmihai> tsp, oh, that's... not good. [22:33:48] <tsp> the main screen reader that everyone was seeming to use (speakup) is a kernel patch - so it needs to work with your kernel. Orca is just a userspace app, but had some weird problems [22:33:49] <seanmcg> tsp: the x4600 (amd box) can hold up to 256GB [22:33:55] <cmihai> tsp, he was going for Ubuntu [22:34:09] <tsp> kjetilho: now that is interesting [22:34:11] <kjetilho> of course this is rather meaningless, unless you have to use one of those old keyboards. [22:34:19] <cmihai> tsp, are you familar with jaws? That's what he's using now. [22:34:20] <tsp> cmihai: it'll work, it's just strange [22:34:27] <tsp> cmihai: jaws? I'm using it right now [22:34:35] <tsp> ssh gives me more access than anything else [22:34:49] <cmihai> tsp, does it compare? Is Orca usable? I've tried listening to some stuff myself, but I can't really understand much. [22:35:27] <tsp> cmihai: orca someitmes will miss the first character of everything it reads out of the terminal, and crashes a bit - restarting x alot for me seemed to help [22:35:42] <tsp> kjetilho: I didn't think linux's keyboard driver could do that [22:35:56] <kjetilho> the limit is 8 different shift keys [22:36:03] <kjetilho> so it works out. [22:36:36] <cmihai> tsp, I see, I'll tell him that. Thanks. So Ubuntu can be installed without any issue with a braile termina and using the built-in Orca? [22:36:50] <tsp> braille terminal? no idea - speech works fine though [22:37:54] *** mog has joined #opensolaris [22:38:05] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [22:38:26] <tsp> there's an orca list, http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list, that might be able to help him out with orca related questions [22:38:56] <cmihai> tsp, thanks, I'll send him an update. [22:39:04] <tsp> np [22:39:50] <tsp> I guess I'll just have to write my own tools for accessibility, noone else's tools want to work for me :) [22:40:14] <mog> so indiana link is up but not on the ftp link they give... [22:41:05] * tsp wonders if indiana will still have serial console installation [22:41:34] <mog> i hope so as the laptop i want to install it on no longer has a screen... [22:42:15] <bda> Is Indiana still meant to come out... today? Or tomorrow? [22:42:32] <mog> the website has info up [22:42:39] <mog> its just not on http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ [22:42:42] <mog> the link they give [22:43:08] <tsp> my monitor is somewhere in the closet - if I get a new box, I'll have to drag it and the webcam out to get someone to read my bios, but that's about it [22:43:11] <kjetilho> mog: you have a laptop with serial console redirection? [22:43:20] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [22:43:33] <cmihai> tsp, you could get a LOM card :-). [22:43:53] <mog> ^_^ [22:43:56] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [22:43:59] <tsp> cmihai: for an amd64 generic box? I doubt it [22:44:02] <cmihai> tsp, though I'm not sure if that will read on a screenreader though. Heh. x86 :P. [22:44:16] <lloy0076> Ok, b75's JDS (Gnome Session) just crashes. [22:44:25] <lloy0076> CDE works but when I run "firefox" it also core dumps. [22:44:33] * tsp doesn't yet have the cash to buy a new box, let alone a server :) [22:44:34] <ceri> mog: where's the indiana website? [22:44:34] <lloy0076> Is there a known issue? [22:44:48] <mog> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/getit/ [22:44:54] <mog> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ [22:45:05] <ceri> mog: ta [22:45:14] <mog> i guess some one jumped the gun [22:46:07] <bda> Aye. [22:46:14] <ceri> I guess we all have to download it and look at the bloody thing now... [22:46:59] <ceri> or forever be doomed to not have a valid opinion on it :) [22:47:15] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [22:47:20] <bda> It's not up, it looks like. [22:47:25] <bda> (as mog said) [22:47:29] *** syndrome71 has left #opensolaris [22:47:48] <ceri> Sure, but it's just a matter of time. [22:47:59] <bda> Well, so is the heat death of the universe. [22:48:00] <bda> ;) [22:48:02] <ceri> lol [22:49:00] <palowoda> lloy0076: Try running fc-cache -f and gnome-cleanup (that is if you upgraded) [22:49:36] <mog> bda, i heard thats an urban legend.... [22:50:52] * wesolows runs gnome-cleanup aka find / -name \*gnome\* -exec rm -rf '{}' \; [22:51:54] *** TwoPiece has joined #opensolaris [22:52:40] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK [22:53:10] <TwoPiece> I can't find this iso image. Am I missing something? [22:53:11] <TwoPiece> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/getit/ [22:53:47] <sarahj> there is no image available yet. [22:53:55] <sarahj> soon, but not quite yet. [22:53:56] <wesolows> it's for the best really [22:54:15] <wesolows> they assume that only the truly dedicated will find it [22:54:16] <TwoPiece> if that's the case, then they probably didn't need to change the page. [22:55:08] <ceri> Probably intentional; you aren't allowed an opinion unless you tried it, so the less people who can get it, the better ;-) [22:55:13] <wesolows> TwoPiece: you're treating this as if it were an engineering effort. It will make a lot more sense if you take the cynical view that it's primarily a Sun marketing exercise. [22:55:39] <wesolows> Engineers wouldn't randomly change pages for no reason. Marketing people would. [22:56:01] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris [22:56:05] <TwoPiece> hmm. well, i'll keep that in mind. [22:56:10] <sarahj> I think they setup the download page in readiness. [22:57:42] <TwoPiece> it will be interesting to see what this new stuff can do. [22:57:51] <TwoPiece> with that, i depart. [22:57:52] *** TwoPiece has quit IRC [23:00:08] <SplasPood> so anyone know anything about TPGT and iscsitadm? Specifically, why can I not list the same interface IP in two different numbers? 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[23:30:21] *** postwait has quit IRC [23:30:22] <nrubsig> Greatings... [23:30:32] <nrubsig> s/a/e/ [23:31:10] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [23:35:15] *** logic_ is now known as logic [23:37:00] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris [23:37:14] *** Saltsa has quit IRC [23:37:25] *** Saltsa has joined #opensolaris [23:39:43] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [23:41:56] *** billybob has joined #opensolaris [23:46:22] *** Lusitanian has joined #opensolaris [23:50:35] <flyingparchment> what's the standard SCCS id string Sun uses? [23:51:13] <flyingparchment> nm, got it [23:52:22] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [23:53:58] <alanc> soon, none, since hg won't update it [23:55:46] <ceri> Does hg support some $Id$-like keyword? 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