October 26, 2007 
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October 26, 2007 [00:00:29] <l1s> if i get what you tried to tell (sorry for my english) you are right [00:00:43] <l1s> think about the ton's of companies born out of mobile java applications [00:01:11] <seanmcg> btw brendang: jmr and I (mainly jmr) gave a demo of the mozilla-js probes with your js dtracetoolkit scripts, went down well [00:02:32] <seanmcg> for anyone else: blogs.sun.com/jmr [00:04:01] *** csjp has joined #opensolaris [00:09:19] <brendang> seanmcg: great, awsome :) [00:12:26] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [00:12:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [00:16:50] <hrlmec> okay..I've read the ACL documentation and we still can't get the simplest thing working. There is a directory called /companyname/directory1. It's owned by group "company". It is chmod'd to 775 (group writeable). user1 is a member of group "company" cannot create a directory in /companyname/directory1. [00:17:30] <mick_work> chmod -R 775 /companyname [00:17:48] <elektronkind> ooh bad [00:17:49] <hrlmec> There's no way to make subdirectories inherit parent directory settings? [00:17:55] <mick_work> chgrp -R company /companyname [00:18:01] <kjetilho> ugh, I get an allergic reaction when plain files are executable [00:18:09] <mick_work> elektronkind: ? [00:18:30] <elektronkind> mick_work: blindly chmod'ing stuff to 775 [00:18:33] <kjetilho> use g+w,a+X [00:19:00] <kjetilho> (I think Solaris chmod understands a+X? ie. only add x if user has x) [00:19:04] <mick_work> not as bad as 000 :-P [00:19:21] <hrlmec> electron we want this whole directory to be group writeable. all directories, all subdirectories, anything created in it. everything in /companyname needs to be group modfieable by default [00:19:34] <elektronkind> find /companyname -type d | xargs chmod 775 [00:20:02] <l1s> hm [00:22:04] *** wms_ has quit IRC [00:22:05] *** estibi has quit IRC [00:23:52] <hrlmec> Okay I did the find /companyname -type d | xargs chmod 775. Now I created a subdirectory. But another user in the same group cannot create a directory. There's no "everything in this directory group writeable by default" permission? [00:23:55] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [00:24:05] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [00:24:06] <ottom> hrlmec: you can use Access Control Lists (ACLs) to force inheritance. Do 'man chmod' and search for file_inherit and dir_inherit. (I've never used this, don't know how well it works) [00:24:15] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [00:24:34] <hrlmec> I've tried the inheritance stuff. It doesn't work (for us anyways). I am getting so frustrated. This should be simple. [00:25:13] <hrlmec> I'm almost ready to say screw it and just make everything 777,. [00:25:16] <l1s> is there any bug related to inherit stuff?? [00:25:56] <kjetilho> hrlmec: in traditional Unix, users should use umask 2, and have relatively fine grained use of groups [00:26:05] <kjetilho> (e.g. -- not just *one* group with everyone in it) [00:26:39] <kjetilho> then you control access to content by closing the directory suitably high up -- not the files themselves [00:27:26] <ottom> For starters, do 'chmod g+s' on the top-level directory. That'll make everything inherit the group ownership, so at least anyone should be able to fix the permissions if they do get broken. [00:28:49] *** fftb has quit IRC [00:30:12] *** hrlmec has quit IRC [00:31:56] *** hrlmec has joined #opensolaris [00:32:05] <hrlmec> drat..my connection broke [00:32:24] <hrlmec> Okay...I've tried the chmod g+s on the top directory...but it still doesn't inherit into the subdirectories. [00:32:53] *** pizdec_ has joined #opensolaris [00:34:27] *** pizdec has quit IRC [00:35:16] <ottom> after 'g+s' any new directories in that directory should inherit group ownership (but not permissions) along with the 'g+s' setting [00:35:41] <ottom> and new files in that directory should inherit the group ownership (again, not permissions, just ownership) [00:36:14] <hrlmec> hmm...okay [00:36:26] <hrlmec> i guess we're going back to the single user method for this stuff. [00:36:40] <ottom> so it doesn't stop people from screwing up the permissions, but it should mean that anyone in the group can fix them [00:37:36] *** bunker has quit IRC [00:38:39] *** polk__ has quit IRC [00:39:23] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [00:39:59] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [00:45:33] *** rcorreia has quit IRC [00:48:18] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [00:48:28] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [00:49:56] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [00:58:07] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [00:58:58] *** jimt has joined #opensolaris [01:02:38] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [01:04:02] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:04:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [01:05:48] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [01:11:50] <hrlmec> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr [01:13:14] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris [01:15:51] *** auto359 has joined #opensolaris [01:16:17] *** auto359 has quit IRC [01:16:28] *** gdamore has quit IRC [01:17:11] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [01:17:18] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [01:19:48] *** auto359 has joined #opensolaris [01:21:40] <auto359> using sxde/x86, i have a non-persistent network config, that every shutdown deletes, it is no hassles to redo via ifconfig but it'd be nice if if i didn't have to. for info, i am unable to set the network-config using the network-admin gui. any ideas on the cause of this? [01:24:03] *** mog has left #opensolaris [01:24:16] *** rockets has quit IRC [01:25:31] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [01:26:45] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [01:33:58] *** eth0- has joined #opensolaris [01:35:14] *** comay has quit IRC [01:40:37] *** hrlmec has quit IRC [01:46:23] <tomww> auto359: you have "nwam" activated? [01:46:39] <auto359> tomww: no, disabled that [01:47:29] <tomww> I use the older "inetmenu" so set kind of network-profiles depending on where I plug in the notebook [01:47:55] <auto359> right, this is a desktop, so one size fits all [01:48:46] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris [01:48:48] <tomww> e.g. I make a script like this: [ "$0" == custoA ] && inetmenu -profile custoA (repeat line, link filenames "custoA" to this same script) [01:49:13] <auto359> ok, neat [01:49:13] <sleepcat> OS X Leopard comes out tomorrow [01:49:25] <auto359> meow [01:49:30] <sleepcat> it has a lot of sun technology [01:49:54] <sleepcat> dtrace, stacks is a rip off of CDE's drawers IMHO [01:50:31] <auto359> k, well why not, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, or so i've heard [01:50:38] <sleepcat> yeah, true [01:50:46] <sleepcat> I'll probably get a mac soon [01:51:00] <sleepcat> so, I'm thinking of using IPF [01:51:04] <auto359> k [01:51:15] <auto359> i want one of the 24" imacs [01:51:23] <sleepcat> is it possible for me to lock myself out of my machine if I experiment with IPF? [01:51:28] <auto359> and run solaris on it [01:51:36] <auto359> sleepcat: nfi [01:51:41] <sleepcat> nfi? [01:52:07] <sleepcat> i did a trusted solaris thing which rendered my box useless [01:52:16] <sleepcat> I had to do a complete reinstall [01:52:40] *** nasser has quit IRC [01:53:13] <sleepcat> CIA-39: ipf [01:53:16] <auto359> usingnfi: no flaming idea [01:53:27] <tomww> sleepcat: ipfilter? yes, locking out yourself is the only available option with ipf [01:53:41] <auto359> sleepcat: no flaming idea, sorry [01:54:01] <sleepcat> tomww, is it possible for me to accidently lock myself out if i do a wrong setting with ipf? [01:54:02] <tomww> I've done this every time when I had to do this from remote. [01:54:15] <eth0-> sleepcat no it isnt :) [01:54:22] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [01:54:33] <wesolows> uhhh...yes it is [01:54:42] <eth0-> yeah if close all ports [01:54:47] <wesolows> you can certainly hose yourself [01:54:51] <eth0-> but who will do sush a things ipf is so easy [01:54:57] <sleepcat> me [01:54:58] <eth0-> *such [01:55:01] <eth0-> :) [01:55:02] <eth0-> lol [01:55:05] <sleepcat> i already did that with trusted solaris [01:55:12] <tomww> hmm. I think you could make sure, that the first lines are like pass in quick proto tcp from 1.2.3.0/24 to any port = 22 flags S keep state [01:55:15] <wesolows> always do it on the console, or set up an at job to revert to a known-good configuration 5 minutes in the future before committing it [01:55:33] <wesolows> you can obviously structure it in a way that makes locking yourself out unlikely though [01:55:49] <eth0-> or try testing on some virtual emulator better [01:55:50] <eth0-> :) [01:56:11] <tomww> and, you could load the new rules into a non-active "page" and if loaded successfully, switch to that. result, you'r not modifying the life set of rules [01:57:19] <sleepcat> cool [01:57:36] <sleepcat> so, is it possible to have a couple of zones listen in on one ethernet card? [01:57:41] *** bubbva has quit IRC [01:58:09] <sleepcat> and can I log into a zone via dtlogin? [01:59:02] <tomww> atm ipf is bound to the global zone or better the ip-stack your' using. [01:59:24] <tomww> ususally you have only one ip stack in the machine, all zones use this one. [01:59:53] <tomww> so zones don't help too much in some cases (pls correct me, other wise guys) [01:59:54] <sleepcat> so, do i even need a physical ethernet card for zones? [02:00:01] <auto359> with an app like netbeans5.5, regarding an upgrade to netbeans6.0beta, what is the preferred method in solaris ... remove 5.5/install 6.0beta or migrate from 5.5 to 6.0beta? [02:00:19] *** jmcp has quit IRC [02:00:32] <tomww> sleepcat: if you specify what you want exaclty... [02:00:52] <sleepcat> well, i'd like postgresql to be in one zone, my apache to be in another [02:01:18] <sleepcat> and obviously i'd like those two to be able to communicate on a RFC 1918 private network [02:01:39] <tomww> okay, you could always assign differen IPs to the virtual adapters like hme0 hme0:1 hme0:2 with :1 and :2 asigned to differnez non-global zones [02:01:57] <sleepcat> ah [02:02:04] <tomww> ipf would stay in the global zone, but could filter data allowed to the zones with :1 and :2 [02:02:32] <sleepcat> now would I be able to reach these from the outside, lets say hem0 is apache, and hem0:1 is postgresql [02:02:35] <jbk> though can it filter between zones (without using separate ip instances)? [02:02:51] <sleepcat> jbk, good question! [02:03:00] <jbk> i know it's in the works [02:03:15] <jbk> but i think it requires some bits not yet integrated, iirc [02:03:23] <sleepcat> solaris 11 perhaps [02:03:33] <sleepcat> man solaris is turning out to be really cool [02:03:38] <jbk> shouldn't have to wait that long... [02:04:00] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [02:04:01] <jbk> but the way it's done typically is a feature isn't putback until it's considered production quality [02:04:12] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK [02:04:29] <wesolows> well...that's the way it's supposed to work [02:04:41] <jbk> hence my qualification :) [02:04:42] <wesolows> anyone think CIFS is production quality today? :-) [02:05:03] <tomww> sleepcat: if hme0 id dedicated only for zones, then data between hme0:1 (zone apache) and hme0:2 (zone postgresql) would have to go out of the box to the router and com back and get filtered to go to the other zone (for now, future is always better with crossbow and all) [02:05:19] <jbk> that's why i don't believe it's there yet (The project isn't ready quite yet) [02:05:29] <jbk> unless my info is out of date (quite possible) [02:05:57] <jbk> actually, i believe it'll short circuit unless there's a separate stack [02:06:03] <sleepcat> tomww, i don't have a router, it goes right into my modem [02:06:25] <sleepcat> i'd like my apache to be a real physical ethernet card, but in a zone [02:06:48] <sleepcat> and postgresql to be on a virtual adapter on a different zone [02:07:03] <jbk> have vnics been putback yet (w/ an exposed admin interface)? [02:07:11] <jbk> i think that's the missing piece [02:08:10] <sleepcat> can one login to a zone using the login screen? [02:08:21] <sleepcat> or does one always have to use zlogin at a command prompt? [02:08:45] <jbk> hmm.. can you run dtlogin in a zone, then use xdmcp(? -- my X-foo is weak) to connect in? [02:08:59] <jbk> if yes, then yes [02:09:18] <sleepcat> jbk, i have no clue, so i'm assuming not yet [02:09:35] <jbk> i haven't tried it myself.. [02:09:40] <sleepcat> but it'd be cool to be able to select a zone from a menu and login to that [02:10:44] *** nostoi has quit IRC [02:11:58] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [02:12:47] <elektronkind> holy cow that was a massive putback [02:13:16] <sleepcat> elektronkind, what was a massive putback? [02:13:35] <elektronkind> the one made this evening to ON for: 6617183 CIFS Service - PSARC 2006/715 [02:14:00] <wesolows> that may be the most ARC cases I've ever seen [02:14:03] <wesolows> in one putback [02:14:22] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [02:14:25] <jbk> nice... [02:15:48] <elektronkind> yeah, that onnv-notift mail is quite mighty [02:16:31] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [02:16:32] *** tinman2k has quit IRC [02:16:59] <elektronkind> now all we need is in-kernel AFP (netatalk) ;) [02:17:29] <wesolows> I have that in some wad in my home directory [02:18:12] *** MegAFK is now known as _Megaf [02:18:40] <ottom> sleepcat: yes, you can run dtlogin in a zone and then XDMCP to it to get a desktop in the zone [02:19:23] <sleepcat> ottom: cool [02:19:27] <elektronkind> wesolows: one step closer to getting aapl to drop darwin and run sunos :) [02:19:46] <sleepcat> elektronkind, and one step closer to having sun be bought by apple [02:19:53] <wesolows> sadly that wad was deleted a while back by some other user's "rogue script" [02:19:58] <wesolows> it's no longer [02:20:05] <sleepcat> did you see apple is worth more than IBM now [02:20:47] <sleepcat> jonathan needs a turtleneck [02:21:09] * wesolows doesn't pay much attention to market cap [02:21:35] <wesolows> the gulf between intrinsic value and market value is so huge these days that there's no reason to care [02:21:45] <elektronkind> jonathan is too busy hunting netwaps right now [02:21:53] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [02:22:51] <tomww> yes, the company using a freebsd as basement? [02:23:09] *** felix_da_catz has joined #opensolaris [02:23:19] <sleepcat> gues what OS apple uses to host their site? [02:23:30] <sleepcat> its not os x [02:23:36] <Doc> Windows? [02:23:39] <sleepcat> nope [02:23:39] <tomww> sure [02:23:44] <Doc> whatever ran on the Apple IIe ? [02:23:47] <elektronkind> ONTAP? [02:23:50] <elektronkind> ;) [02:23:51] <jbk> prodos 8 :) [02:23:52] <sleepcat> nope [02:23:55] <sleepcat> nope [02:23:58] <sleepcat> linux [02:23:59] <g4lt-sb100> prodos? [02:24:00] <wesolows> AmigaOS [02:24:03] <sleepcat> nope [02:24:04] <felix_da_catz> can anyone help me compile lsof on Nevada build [02:24:05] <elektronkind> it used to be A/UX [02:24:05] <sleepcat> nope [02:24:06] <wesolows> NeXT [02:24:12] <sleepcat> it is really linux [02:24:16] <elektronkind> really [02:24:19] <sleepcat> yup [02:24:22] <sfire||mouse> sleepcat: do you know what OS openbsd uses to host? ( I'll admit different circumstances, org vs company ) [02:24:31] <sleepcat> sfire||mouse, no [02:24:33] <wesolows> SunOS [02:24:34] <sleepcat> solaris? [02:24:35] <jbk> i heard of someone writing a tcp/ip stack for the IIe [02:24:38] <sleepcat> hahaahahhaha [02:24:39] <jbk> would have been neat to see [02:24:40] <tomww> felix_da_catz: you could use this build-recipe: SFElsof.spec [02:24:45] <wesolows> for a long long time it was SunOS [02:24:49] <wesolows> I don't know if it still is [02:24:52] <sfire||mouse> sleepcat: sunos [02:24:53] <sleepcat> apple uses redhat linux [02:25:09] <felix_da_catz> I keep getting unknown solaris version 5.11 [02:25:16] <elektronkind> well ftp.openbsd.org is hosts on a sunsite [02:25:19] <tomww> felix_da_catz: pkgbuild.sf.net, follow the "SFE" link on the left [02:25:19] <wesolows> remember that a lot of this stuff is outsourced, so this doesn't really mean much [02:25:24] <felix_da_catz> tomww: Thanks, let me check that out. [02:25:36] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:25:41] <sleepcat> wesolows, well, outsourced or not, they should eat their own dog food [02:25:50] <wesolows> sure, they should [02:25:54] <sleepcat> even M$ runs their site using windows [02:26:01] <tomww> felix_da_catz: you can install the common build environment which is used for gnome too, and check-out the svn of spec-files-extra (where SFElsof.spec lives) [02:26:04] <wesolows> but the point of outsourcing is that you don't need to bother with the details [02:26:40] <Doc> MS's "hosted exchange" setup uses postfix and linux or freebsd or the like [02:26:45] <wesolows> and I don't really think OSX is suitable for that - how far down the chain do you take it? Should VxWorks self-host? What about VMWare? [02:26:54] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [02:27:22] <tomww> felix_da_catz: I'm pointing to this repository because is already has more then 650 build-recipes, so you don't need to reinvent every wheel, only every other. [02:27:54] <wesolows> except that a lot of the wheels are not really round but that's ok because hey someone else did the work [02:30:01] <sleepcat> jds should incorportate CDE's drawers concept. It is really cool and would be like Apple's stacks in leopard [02:30:04] <tomww> wesolows: you could even put in triangle wheels if you run out of luck and see if another one is a better locksmith on the lathe [02:31:07] <felix_da_catz> tomww: Cool thanks. I am just downloading the pkgbuild now. [02:32:21] <felix_da_catz> tomww: Anything special besides ./configure make make install? [02:32:50] *** eth0- has quit IRC [02:33:49] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [02:34:02] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC [02:34:03] <jbk> evening gdamore [02:34:04] * elektronkind tries to decide... new server, or new telescope [02:34:16] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:34:37] <tomww> felix_da_catz: you will never again use configure by hand, all is done by the build-recipe you get with svn co ...sorceforge...spec-files-extra [02:34:38] <gdamore> my session/connection dropped, and I was not even aware of it. :-) nice thing about working with all-local ZFS and compilers... network outages are not devastating. [02:35:41] <tomww> felix_da_catz: just source the /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh; pkgbuild --download --interactive build SFElsof.spec and you get the thing fetched, configured, build, solaris-pacakged and finally installed [02:36:55] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [02:37:55] <felix_da_catz> Do I need to have the jds installed to run this or what? [02:38:13] <felix_da_catz> pkgbuild --download is not working right now either. [02:41:36] <FuzzyB> can open solaris mount mount a file like a partition like linux does with loopback mounts? [02:41:54] <auto359> tomww: just reading, what is this /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh; you are talking about? [02:41:56] <tomww> jds itself is not needed, but follow the instructions to instll the common build environment which adds lots of stuff needed and not in appropriate version on nevada [02:42:37] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [02:42:46] <tomww> a typical path to get this concept working is here: http://sarine.nl/gmpc-solaris-build [02:42:59] <felix_da_catz> I can download it not a problem. Just curious. Also should I install Studio 11 or 12? I am almost finished downloading 12 now. [02:43:02] <l1s> FuzzyB: yes, mount -o loop works for cd images but you need the specialized fs drivers to mount ext2 aso. [02:43:10] <FuzzyB> ok [02:43:21] <tomww> the only thing IIRC is editing the cbe-install script and leave out the SUNWsambaS package (just delete this string) [02:44:06] <tomww> felix_da_catz: I myself use Studiao12 plus newest patches, should be okay for must build-recipes [02:44:18] *** IvanR_ has joined #opensolaris [02:44:23] <felix_da_catz> ok cool. Just want to make sure I don't screw it up with a simple mistake. [02:44:38] <l1s> b75 is installed :D [02:45:18] <elektronkind> my b75a install keeps hanging in the same place, both when installing into a Fusion or a Parallels VM [02:45:32] <elektronkind> in SXDE, when selecting one's region [02:45:41] <elektronkind> is this a known? [02:46:55] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [02:47:00] *** yarihm has quit IRC [02:47:40] <JBeck> by "region" do you mean Time Zone? [02:48:07] <auto359> i want to install netbeans6.0beta2 from sources, where would be the best place to mkdir nbsrc ... /export/home/user? [02:50:08] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [02:50:15] <jmcp> elektronkind: if it's TZ you mean, then choose a US TZ and change it after installation [02:50:43] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [02:51:00] <JBeck> yes, this sounds like: [02:51:05] <JBeck> 6616111 Core dump when use SXDE installers to install DEVX on snv_75 [02:51:09] <JBeck> fixed in snv_76 [02:51:38] <elektronkind> jbeck: it's the pane in caiman where one selects region, then TZ, and one other item which I forget via drop-down box. The box drops down to reveal a list and I choose "Americas" and then the UI promptly freezes at that point [02:51:47] <elektronkind> ah [02:51:52] <elektronkind> that might just be it [02:52:16] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [02:52:19] <elektronkind> seems glaring, but as least it's fixed [02:54:25] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [02:54:56] *** yippi has quit IRC [02:55:01] <auto359> jmcp: hi j, how's the weather there today, be getting muggy? [02:55:23] <sleepcat> #join #ror [02:57:28] <sleepcat> hey guys, is the following true? http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Solaris [02:57:29] <jmcp> nah, it's still foggy [02:57:47] <elektronkind> it's encyc dramatica, of course it's true [02:58:23] <sleepcat> i mean the bit about solaris' scheduler being a singly linked list with horrible threading? [02:58:27] <jmcp> sleepcat: uh ... no [02:58:40] <elektronkind> they got the user pic just about right [02:58:52] <jmcp> "a full discussion of the scheduler is beyond the discussion in this channel" [02:59:03] <jmcp> ie, because you should read SOlaris Internals v2 and get the real info from it [02:59:04] <jmcp> :-) [02:59:14] *** JBeck has quit IRC [02:59:23] <sleepcat> http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Linux [02:59:40] *** stevel has quit IRC [03:00:04] <sleepcat> check out the pick of the "average linux administrator" [03:00:06] <elektronkind> rofl @ the first pic [03:00:12] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris [03:00:21] <gnut> hi all [03:00:30] <auto359> jmcp: you got a quick few mins to look at that TERM issue i mentioned last night? narrow column settings? [03:00:34] <auto359> gnut: hi [03:00:59] <gnut> auto359: hello [03:01:09] <jmcp> auto359: in a short while - can you send me an email with the details please? [03:01:22] <jmcp> about to head into the office, that's why [03:01:37] <auto359> k, np [03:01:50] <gnut> i'm having issue logging into the graphical interface on build 72 with gnome [03:02:15] <gnut> I can only log into CDE... something about bonobo-slay and nautilus not being able to find the nautilus_shell.server file (even though I can find it) [03:02:47] <sleepcat> lol http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Theo_de_Raadt [03:02:50] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [03:02:50] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [03:03:04] <auto359> ah theo ... what an interesting individual [03:03:27] <Doc> not as loopy as some.... [03:03:59] <sleepcat> what is the bit about theo and gobbles? [03:04:28] <Doc> "Theo is often labeled an asshole, an egoist and a South African". hard to say which of those is more of an insult... [03:05:08] <auto359> Doc: haha [03:08:02] *** laca__ has quit IRC [03:08:11] *** Jiko has quit IRC [03:08:37] *** jmcp has quit IRC [03:09:57] *** jafari has quit IRC [03:10:26] *** laca__ has joined #opensolaris [03:12:16] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [03:18:39] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [03:18:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [03:21:21] <jbk> hey gman [03:22:17] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [03:27:49] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [03:31:01] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [03:31:13] *** dlynes has joined #opensolaris [03:32:16] * jmcp yawns [03:32:17] <jmcp> morning all [03:33:09] *** loke has quit IRC [03:35:27] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:40:48] <jmcp> auto359: it's something to do with how the xterm TERMtype is interpreting your PS1 setting in $HOME/.bashrc [03:40:58] <jmcp> when I comment out your PS1 line, then there's no problem [03:43:02] <auto359> jmcp: ah k [03:43:17] <jmcp> I'm not a terminal escape sequence guru, sorry [03:43:21] <auto359> hmm, maybe those spaces i put in around the "[]"? [03:43:25] <jmcp> no idea [03:43:26] <auto359> is ok, me either [03:43:37] <jbk> hey jmcp [03:43:39] <auto359> i'll adjust and test [03:43:44] <jbk> what's the value? [03:44:03] <jmcp> export PS1="\e[1;31m[\e[1;32m\u\e[1;31m@\e[1;32m\h \e[1;34m\W\e[1;31m ] \e[m" [03:44:12] <jbk> oh [03:44:18] <jmcp> btw, is there some menu-driven config thing for mrxvt? [03:44:27] <jbk> you need to bracket the escape codes with \[ \] [03:44:45] <jbk> to denote they don't cause any characters to be printed [03:46:02] <jbk> so.. PS1="\[\e[1;31m\][\[\e1;32m\]\u\e\[\e1;31m\]@\[\e[1;31m\]\h\[\e[1;34m\]\W\[\e[1;31m\] ] \[\e[m\]" [03:46:26] <jbk> well almost.. [03:47:34] *** paulf has joined #opensolaris [03:47:39] <paulf> Hello [03:47:44] <jbk> PS1="\[\e[1;31m\][\[\e[1;32m\]\u\e\[\e[1;31m\]@\[\e[1;31m\]\h \[\e[1;34m\]\W\[\e[1;31m\] ] \[\e[m\]" [03:48:03] <jbk> red brackets, green user, red @host, blue basename [03:48:47] <jbk> oops.. missed one :) [03:48:54] <paulf> I'm messing around with xVM in b75, and I'm seeing a crash. I recall seeing something in one of the blogs saying that it needed an option, but I can't find it [03:49:45] <jmcp> paulf: describe the crash [03:50:00] <paulf> jmcp: it takes down the host OS also, just a hard freeze [03:50:26] <jbk> PS1="\[\e[1;31m\][\[\e[1;32m\]\u\[\e[1;31m\]@\[\e[1;31m\]\h \[\e[1;34m\]\W\[\e[1;31m\] ] \[\e[m\]" [03:50:30] <jbk> there [03:50:33] <auto359> jmcp: [03:50:42] <auto359> jmcp: sorry, thanks, testing [03:50:45] *** cytoplasm has left #opensolaris [03:50:47] <auto359> jbk: likewise ... [03:51:41] <jmcp> auto359: nowurries - besides, it's jbk who you should thank - I'm useless with terminal escape sequences [03:51:51] <jbk> heh [03:51:55] <gnut> how do you find out which package a file came from ? [03:52:04] <jbk> in high school i wrote an ansi viewer using turbo pascal :) [03:52:10] <gnut> I'm trying to locate the SUNW package that gives me bonobo-activation-sysconf... how do I figure out which one that is? [03:52:21] <jbk> kinda learned a bit of the concepts of a FSM without realizing it [03:52:29] *** sleepcat has quit IRC [03:52:34] <jbk> gnut: pkgchk -l -p /path/to/binary [03:52:48] <gnut> jbk: thanks a lot! I've been puzzling over that [03:52:57] <jbk> yeah, it's a bit unintuitive [03:53:00] <jmcp> gnut: either nawk '/bonobo-activation-sysconf/ {print $NF}' /var/sadm/install/contents, or use pkgchk [03:53:09] <jmcp> jbk: uh, pascal [03:53:23] <jbk> i'm hoping ipkg will be a bit more straightforward [03:53:30] <jmcp> you and me both [03:53:35] <jbk> jmcp: hey, it's what i could get :) [03:53:35] <paulf> anybody recall where I might find that blog entry? :) [03:53:41] <jbk> and a bit easier to approach initially than C [03:53:44] <jmcp> true [03:53:53] <jbk> though [03:53:58] <jmcp> gnut: SUNWgnome-component [03:54:03] <gnut> ah :) danke [03:54:07] <jmcp> paulf: nope, sorry - but you might want to try #xen [03:54:10] <gnut> you type faster than I read man pages :) [03:54:15] <jbk> i resorted to a small bit of assembly to synchronize on the vertical blanking signal to make the scrolling smoother [03:54:26] <jbk> as well as do a few occasional pallete tricks [03:55:06] <jmcp> #include <conio.h> and cousins [03:55:17] * elektronkind thinks he'll stick to [\u@\h]\w\$ [03:55:27] <paulf> ooo, found it [03:55:35] <jbk> elektronkind: it's mostly that with ansi colors mixed in :) [03:55:46] <jbk> it'd probably be easier to read if variables were used for the color codes [03:56:43] <jbk> "${red}[${green}\u${red}@\h ${blue}\W${red}] \\$" [03:56:52] <jbk> or such [03:57:19] <paulf> for reference, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6612343 [03:57:29] <paulf> be back later, thanks [03:57:30] *** paulf has quit IRC [03:57:42] *** gnut has quit IRC [03:57:48] <jbk> jmcp: heh.. fun times.. i was also the fidonet expert :) [03:58:02] <elektronkind> or PS1='C:\w>' [03:58:08] <jbk> mainly because i was the only one that could write the involved batch files to make front end mailers work :) [03:58:29] <felix_da_catz> Alright I am having a disk space problem. I have two partitions. One is a UFS partition which is ~12 gigs and the other is a ZFS partition which is ~100 gigs. [03:58:50] <jmcp> jbk: you are one sick man [03:58:57] <felix_da_catz> The ZFS partition only has a directory mounted at /home_disk. Everything is else is mounted through the UFS partition. [03:59:00] <jbk> well there's not a lot to do in indiana :) [03:59:11] <jmcp> fidonet ..... [03:59:27] <felix_da_catz> My /usr directory is around 7gb. Is there a way I can move that to that ZFS partition without screwing everything up? [03:59:50] <elektronkind> tar [03:59:57] <jbk> and really all that was happening was the front end mailer would exit w/ different error codes (often user selectable) to indicate what it should do -- process mail, export new mail, run bbs, etc. [03:59:57] <elektronkind> cpio [04:01:43] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [04:01:44] <felix_da_catz> so if I tar this up and move it over am I going to have problems with files that are in use at the time? [04:02:33] <jmcp> felix_da_catz: do it from failsafe mode [04:03:01] <felix_da_catz> ahh.. So I should tar it up while I am in failsafe mode as well obviously??... [04:03:20] <jmcp> uh yeah [04:03:53] <felix_da_catz> sorry, dumb question I know, but it is just a live web server right now. That just means I will have to wait for another four hours or so before I can bring it down. [04:04:15] <jmcp> oh [04:04:18] <felix_da_catz> I guess that gives me time to back everything up before hand as well. [04:04:37] <jmcp> I assume you mean that this is a production system? [04:04:52] <felix_da_catz> yes, it is a production system right now. [04:05:48] <felix_da_catz> It needs to be rebuilt anyway, but I sure am not prepared to do it tonight. All this just so I can get lsof installed so I can see what is locking my mailboxes [04:06:39] <jbk> well.. dtrace could help you see new locks [04:07:04] <felix_da_catz> humm, wouldn't I have to know what is locking the files in question first? [04:07:12] <jbk> more how [04:07:23] <felix_da_catz> They are just mbox files. [04:07:30] <jbk> advisory locking, 'flag' or semaphore file, etc. [04:07:43] <jmcp> felix_da_catz: check out the DTraceToolkit *first* [04:07:50] <elektronkind> mbox files suck for mass mail storage [04:07:53] <jbk> so just /var/spool/mail/user.lock ? [04:08:04] <felix_da_catz> well, I have looked at it and it seems like it might be easier to get lsof installed. :-) [04:08:09] <jmcp> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/dtrace/dtracetoolkit/ [04:08:11] <jbk> see any mail(er?).local processes? [04:08:16] <jmcp> it's not what I'd be doing [04:08:28] <auto359> jbk: i commented out everything in .bashrc except for your PS1 string and $PATH, now i have full chars across screen, thanks, i'll uncomment and test each var and find what is the exact issue [04:08:31] <jmcp> besides lsof and DTraceToolkit, there are quite a few demo D scripts in /usr/demo/dtrace [04:08:50] <jbk> felix_da_catz: basically just looking for who's opening the .lock files right? [04:09:02] <felix_da_catz> well, I have a bunch of local -t unix files open in each mail users name. They are spawned by my init process. They stayed after a reboot even. [04:09:16] <felix_da_catz> jbk: exactly. Need to figure out what program is the culprit. [04:09:40] <jbk> pgrep mail.local [04:09:40] <elektronkind> felix_da_catz: are you using any sort of imap/pop daemon ? [04:09:43] <felix_da_catz> I say files, but they are not files obviously. They are system calls??? [04:09:45] <jmcp> have you tried "fuser" as well? [04:09:49] <felix_da_catz> qpopper [04:09:54] <elektronkind> ugh! [04:10:01] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [04:10:08] <elektronkind> man, I bet you $1 that's your problem right there [04:10:09] <jbk> hmm.. i bet it's not cleaning up after itself [04:10:16] <felix_da_catz> don't blame me. I definitely did not pick qpopper. I actually specifically told the person no. [04:10:19] <jbk> i seem to remember from waaaaaaay back something about that.. [04:10:21] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [04:10:33] <elektronkind> qpopper had it's day, but that's long past [04:10:36] <jbk> probably just fuser the lock file [04:10:39] <jbk> my guess is no one [04:10:48] <jbk> just died, and didn't clean itself up [04:10:59] <elektronkind> if you want a mbox-format pop/imap daemon that works reasonably well, at least use uw-imap [04:11:04] <felix_da_catz> elektronkind: I have recompiled qpopper with out the bulletin support even. Nothing has worked so far. [04:11:44] <elektronkind> uw-imap (which includes a pop3 daemon) can be considered a drop-in replacement for qpooper [04:11:58] <elektronkind> it "sucks less" [04:12:00] <felix_da_catz> So does it do pop3s? [04:12:11] <elektronkind> yeah, imap, imaps, pop3, pop3s [04:12:30] <felix_da_catz> cool. So I can install it and configure it and I don't have to reconfigure any of my mail clients? [04:13:13] <MindDrive> You might want to consider Dovecot as well; heard very good things about it and a bit less annoying to set up and configure. [04:13:22] <felix_da_catz> I am actually 45% of the way through building another mail server right now. [04:13:36] <felix_da_catz> But this one just died before I had enough time to get the other one finished. [04:13:58] <felix_da_catz> jbk: So I ran fuser fred. What does the output mean? [04:14:09] <felix_da_catz> fred: 2257o 1668o [04:14:50] <felix_da_catz> So those are the two processes that have the file open right now? [04:14:53] <jbk> yes [04:15:16] <jbk> it's <pid><flags> [04:15:18] <felix_da_catz> Ok, so one of them is the local -t unix process or whatever you call it. I can't kill it. I can't kill -9 it either. [04:15:39] <felix_da_catz> It just won't go away. Came back after a reboot even. [04:15:39] <jbk> even as root? [04:15:43] <felix_da_catz> yes [04:15:48] <jbk> hmm.. [04:15:48] <felix_da_catz> It just laughs at me. [04:15:54] <jbk> well if you're adventerous [04:15:59] <jbk> you could whip out mdb -k [04:16:01] * jmcp knows what's coming :) [04:16:06] <felix_da_catz> :-) [04:16:11] <jbk> though my mdb-fu is weak [04:16:22] <jbk> i always have to go back and look up all the commands to trace trough things [04:16:52] <felix_da_catz> For a more detailed description of the mdb features, refer to the manual. [04:16:59] <felix_da_catz> Sounds scary already. [04:17:02] <jbk> (docs.sun.com) [04:17:05] <Doc> it is [04:17:08] <jbk> well there's a lot of stuff [04:17:08] <elektronkind> dovecot, cyrus, even uw-imap... any of those are > qpopper [04:17:29] <felix_da_catz> So I have to understand what all those symbols mean before I can even decipher the output I am assuming. [04:18:28] <felix_da_catz> Is it going to break my machine while I am running it? [04:18:29] <jbk> iirc, basically you can use ::ps to get the address of the proc structure, then from that grab the address of the thread stack, then print out the stack trace -- if it's unkillable, it's probably stuck on something in the kernel [04:18:48] <jbk> most often i've seen it with flaky storage [04:18:54] <felix_da_catz> well it is starting from process 1. [04:19:01] <jbk> basically until the i/o times out, can't kill the process [04:19:02] <jbk> oh [04:19:03] <jbk> try preap pid [04:19:06] <felix_da_catz> well, that doesn't make me feel better. [04:19:09] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK [04:19:14] <jbk> if it's just defunct [04:19:19] <jbk> preap should work [04:19:29] <jbk> what it probably means is that it's parent died [04:19:40] <jbk> well no (it's late here ;P) [04:19:58] <jbk> it probably means it detached itself [04:20:04] <elektronkind> if the parent died then init inherits it... PPID should = [04:20:15] <elektronkind> er PPID should equal 1 [04:20:22] <felix_da_catz> so how long does it normally take for the i/o to time out? [04:20:26] <jbk> err.. yeah.. doesn't move to defunct until it exits [04:20:35] <jmcp> depends on what sort of io it is, and what the underlying device is [04:20:37] <felix_da_catz> preap didn't work obviously. [04:20:43] <jbk> though it should still be killable [04:21:26] <jbk> interestingly enough, with clustered vxfs, you can easily reproduce the effect by gzipping (or gzip -d) a few large files in the same directory [04:21:45] <felix_da_catz> I am sure that everyone who left their email clients up at work is not helping the problem tonight. [04:22:24] <jbk> well the mdb stuff should be ok with just the dcmds.. i don't think any of those are destructive.. [04:22:58] <jmcp> they're not unless you invoke mdb with -w [04:23:06] <jbk> there you go :) [04:23:27] <felix_da_catz> note to self don't use -w. [04:23:40] <felix_da_catz> So how can I figure out what library the local function is called from? [04:24:11] <jbk> well if it's unkillable, the first thing is to figure out why [04:24:12] *** paulf has joined #opensolaris [04:24:21] <jbk> and that's likely going to be in the kernel [04:24:28] <paulf> Ok, so it doesn't crash the host anymore :) [04:24:41] <jbk> i don't think there is any syscall that can deliberately put a process into that state [04:25:10] <jbk> then you _might_ be able to do a pstack pid -- though it's possible that process might end up unkillable also [04:25:27] <jbk> depending on what's causing the other process to do that [04:25:54] <jbk> you can always ^z; bg it if it does [04:25:55] * elektronkind reads more tales about the crew of The StarVAX ENTERP:: while DVD burns [04:26:49] <felix_da_catz> pstack: cannot examine 1668: unanticipated system error [04:27:30] *** niner has joined #opensolaris [04:27:56] *** laca__ has quit IRC [04:28:35] <felix_da_catz> so look in the kernel. Does that mean I need to look around in the /proc directory? [04:28:49] <jbk> no [04:29:23] <auto359> test, am i here? ... stupid ubuntu router [04:29:28] <felix_da_catz> so much for that idea. [04:29:35] <jbk> if docs.sun.com will respond, i'll try to help, though not quite hte blind leading the blind, more like a one-eyed man with a cateract [04:29:39] <jbk> :) [04:29:40] <jmcp> auto359: no, you're a figment of our imagination [04:29:47] <felix_da_catz> :-) [04:29:52] <auto359> jmcp: ah good [04:30:26] <jmcp> 0t(pid)::pid2proc|::print proc_t p_tlist|::walk thread|::findstack -v [04:30:41] <jmcp> though sometimes you don't want the ::walk thread bit in there [04:30:44] <elektronkind> auto359: Ubuntu means "Humanity to others" not "Packets to others" ... so of course it won't make a good router [04:30:47] <jbk> :) [04:30:58] <jbk> jmcp: that would have taken me 20-30 mins to reconstruct :) [04:31:19] <felix_da_catz> jcmp: so what is that for? [04:31:28] <jbk> that will do what i was trying to lookup :) [04:31:28] <felix_da_catz> dtrace? [04:31:43] <jbk> no, that will dump the stack in the kernel [04:31:45] *** niner has quit IRC [04:31:52] <felix_da_catz> ahh. [04:31:59] <jbk> fyi, please use pastebin if you want to share the output :) [04:32:06] <felix_da_catz> sure, not a problem. [04:32:27] <felix_da_catz> Where do I use it? Just fix it up and paste it on the command line? [04:32:32] <jbk> run mdb -k [04:32:37] <jbk> then type it in [04:32:39] <felix_da_catz> ahh. [04:32:54] <jbk> 0t1668::pid2proc.... [04:33:45] <felix_da_catz> How much output am I expecting here? [04:33:50] <auto359> elektronkind: haha, good one [04:33:59] <felix_da_catz> Is there anyway to redirect it to a file somehow? [04:34:00] <jbk> 5-6 lines per thread usually iiirc [04:34:20] <jbk> well maybe more.. i guess depending on how deep the callstack is [04:34:27] *** paulf has quit IRC [04:34:54] <felix_da_catz> ahh. Well this one was easy. It was only two lines. Can I paste it here? [04:35:12] <felix_da_catz> mdb: thread ffffffff95e561b8 isn't in memory [04:35:24] <felix_da_catz> that was the second line. [04:35:34] <felix_da_catz> maybe I should try another process? [04:36:17] <jbk> perhaps.. [04:36:39] <jbk> though that might explain it -- _if_ that is indicating that the process is swapped out [04:36:52] <jbk> but i don't know if that's what the error is indicating or not [04:37:17] <felix_da_catz> well doing it for another unlocked process returns the same results. [04:37:26] <felix_da_catz> 0t2126::pid2proc|::print proc_t p_tlist|::walk thread|::findstack -v [04:37:41] <felix_da_catz> Did I forget a | after the 0t2126? [04:38:02] <jbk> no [04:38:04] <felix_da_catz> no I guess not. [04:40:09] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris [04:40:12] <gnut> hi all again [04:40:16] <jbk> perhaps ::ps might reveal something [04:40:23] <gnut> sorry to ask this here since the #gnome ppl are not chattering [04:40:23] <jbk> i'm baffled at this point :) [04:40:44] <gnut> how do I force opensolaris to run a certain version of bonobo-activation-server? [04:40:57] <gnut> it's running the blastwave version at /opt/csw/libexec, but I want it to run the one in /usr/lib [04:41:06] <gnut> I think that's what's giving me my nautilus issues [04:41:11] <felix_da_catz> jbk: Thanks for all your help. I guess I need to look at another pop3 server really. :-) [04:41:20] <felix_da_catz> jmcp: thanks as well. :-) [04:41:35] <jbk> thank jmcp, he came up with the hard stuff :) [04:42:49] <Gman> gnut, just checking the gnome sources to see if there's an obvious way [04:42:57] <felix_da_catz> that definitely wasn't lost on me. [04:43:04] <Gman> gnut, but in reality, it's going to try and run the first activation server in your path [04:43:28] <gnut> so it's related to my path? [04:43:37] <Gman> i would imagine so [04:43:46] <gnut> wait... [04:43:49] <felix_da_catz> man I hate datacenters. I just had to get lucky and have the rack right by the ac in the ground. My legs are frozen solid. [04:43:51] <gnut> bonobo-activation-server isn't in my path [04:44:12] <gnut> /opt/csw/libexec and /usr/lib are both not in my path [04:44:22] <felix_da_catz> ok so how do I get out of mdb? [04:44:40] <gnut> Gman: when i renamed /opt/csw/libexec/bonobo-activation-server to something else, it just said no bonobo-activation-server found [04:44:46] <jbk> ctrl-d [04:44:51] <gnut> do you think maybe there's a configuration file that specifies the path for this? [04:45:02] <Gman> yes [04:45:03] <jbk> or more correctly, whatever eof is set to for your term [04:45:14] <jbk> (some people remap them) [04:45:17] <Gman> gnut, /etc/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-config.xml [04:45:25] <gnut> Gman: I was looking at that [04:45:26] <gnut> empty [04:45:29] <jbk> setting intr to del is one of my pet peeves [04:45:31] <gnut> no pointing to /opt/csw [04:45:34] <Gman> the search path depending on your prefix [04:45:35] <gnut> I have two solaris machines [04:45:47] <gnut> is the prefix GNOME_PREFIX? [04:45:54] <Gman> so if you're running stuff in /opt/csw/bin then it'll use the server in /opt/csw/etc/.. [04:46:06] <gnut> both machines don't configure /etc/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-config.xml... [04:46:09] <Gman> and find server files in /opt/csw/lib/bonobo/servers [04:46:53] <gnut> Gman: that makes sense... so how do I force opensolaris startup to look at the /usr/lib version? [04:47:02] <gnut> i'm going to try to set GNOME_PREFIX to /usr [04:47:17] <Gman> there might be an env var for bonobo to use [04:47:47] <gnut> ok... checking for that [04:47:48] * Gman would need to look through the libbonobo source code [04:48:56] <Gman> (gnome's not really the type of software, especially if you're linking against bonobo, that allows mix and match from different prefixes) [04:50:26] <gnut> hmm [04:50:32] <gnut> yeah... this used to work [04:50:46] <gnut> and then some software was installed which must have mucked around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something [04:50:53] <gnut> but now it doesn't work [04:50:59] <gnut> i suspect some configuration must have gotten messed up [04:51:18] <gnut> i have two solaris machines, and one of them works perfectly... the other is the subject under test [04:52:07] <Gman> usually you'd be better off just running either the blastwave bits or the system installed bits [04:52:31] <gnut> Gman: Yeah. I want to run the system installed bits [04:52:36] <felix_da_catz> so once I create a storage pool does that mean that will always basically be the root of the zfs pool? So zpool create storagepool raidz c0t0d0 c1t1d0 will always start mount at /storagepool? [04:52:43] <gnut> but I think maybe the installation of totem put the blastwave bits in [04:53:09] <Gman> gnut, i doubt that would be the cause [04:53:09] <jbk> felix_da_catz: by default, however you can change that [04:53:09] <gnut> Gman: do you use blastwave? how do you deal with the duplicate installs that blastwave puts in? [04:53:25] <jbk> zfs set mountpoint=/foo storagepool [04:53:26] <Gman> just make sure you don't have csw/bin in your path before /usr/bin [04:53:39] <jbk> or even mountpoint=none if you don't want that particular one mounted [04:53:40] <Gman> gnut, i don't use blastwave [04:53:46] <gnut> I didn't deliberately pkg-get the gnome components... but it must have been a dependency for something from blastwave that I installed. [04:53:58] <felix_da_catz> jbk: So that will ruin it for everything that is already referencing storagepool though right? [04:54:07] <jbk> what do you mean ruin? [04:54:18] <gnut> Gman: I'll try that executable path thing. I tried setting GNOME_PREFIX, GNOME_PATH, GNOME2_PATH and they don't do anything [04:54:25] <jbk> it will remount it at the new location [04:54:27] <felix_da_catz> well I have all of my websites hosting in the home_disk storage pool. Will that change their path as well? [04:54:44] <jbk> do they have individual filesystems? [04:54:57] <jbk> it will depend on their mountpoint property [04:55:06] <jbk> if it's using a derived value, then yes [04:55:11] <jbk> if it was explicitly set, no [04:55:17] <felix_da_catz> so I could technically just change their path to the new mount point basically. well, I ran zfs create site.com for each different site if that is what you are asking. [04:55:20] <Gman> gnut, the only other thing i can think of is that maybe you have something odd in your sessions file [~/.gnome2/session] [04:55:34] <gnut> Gman: hmm.. okay. checking [04:55:51] <jbk> if you didn't set the mountpoint explicitly, then yes, all the paths will change [04:56:10] *** deedaw has quit IRC [04:56:15] <jbk> if not explicitly set, it defaults to ${mountpoint_of_parent}/${fsname} [04:56:29] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [04:57:10] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [04:57:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [04:57:11] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [04:57:29] <felix_da_catz> I literally just ran zfs create home_disk/vhosts/site.com for each site. So I didn't explcitly set anything obviously. [04:58:45] <felix_da_catz> So can I change it mountpoint and set it explicitly and it will stay where it's at or will it break something if I change the pool name? [04:58:55] <gnut> Gman: thanks [04:58:56] <gnut> I got it to work [04:59:02] <Gman> awesome [04:59:09] <gnut> i looked into .gnome2 [04:59:14] <gnut> and although I didn't see anything odd [04:59:30] <gnut> a timestamp check showed the nautilus-scripts directory was last edited [04:59:50] <gnut> then I noticed that on my other laptop, that directory was not touched sinec september [04:59:59] <jbk> hmm.. i'd maybe create a dummy parent + child and try it [05:00:02] <jbk> on those [05:00:03] <gnut> so i deleted that folder, and it all worked again... must have been a permissions or something on that direcotry. [05:00:12] <gnut> Gman: thanks for your help [05:00:41] <felix_da_catz> jbk: I just got a T2200 in. I set that up first and try it on there I think. I think I just need to plan this system out better now and redo the darn thing. [05:00:44] <Gman> gnut, that's great, not sure i totally helped though :) [05:00:48] <jbk> i.e. zfs create home_disk/foo; zfs create home_disk/foo/bar; then zfs set mountpoint=/home_disk/foo/bar home_disk/foo/bar; zfs set mountpoint=/blah home_disk/foo [05:01:01] <gnut> Gman: well, at least you helped me narrow things down... and that .gnome2 suggestion [05:01:02] <felix_da_catz> if I could just get my mail to work for just a few more days things would be fine. [05:01:40] <felix_da_catz> cool. That makes sense now though. I will try it. [05:01:41] <Gman> gnut, hrm, might be some weird underlying bug on that one [05:02:43] *** jafari has quit IRC [05:03:24] <stevel> grep -ri sb-sys-toolbar * [05:03:30] <stevel> uh [05:03:30] <felix_da_catz> no shit huh. That was easy as pie. :-) Now I just need to figure out where Sun Studio installs to and create a mount point for that parent directory and I should be able to get it installed. [05:03:35] <stevel> hi. you're not my shell [05:04:41] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [05:05:20] <jmcp> stevel: yes we are, just not the reality you were looking for [05:05:27] <jmcp> felix_da_catz: /opt/SUNWspro [05:05:44] * stevel wonders what reality he was looking for [05:06:27] * jmcp waves hands in the other direction [05:09:05] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [05:09:06] * stevel wanders off to look for his source repository [05:09:08] *** stevel has quit IRC [05:09:41] *** neoxed has quit IRC [05:19:05] *** jafari_ has joined #opensolaris [05:19:10] *** jafari has quit IRC [05:19:55] *** libkeise1 is now known as libkeiser [05:29:49] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [05:42:47] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [05:43:15] *** Gman has quit IRC [05:44:02] <myrkraverk> how can I (programmatically) find the current lwp id? [05:46:56] <auto359> clear [05:47:38] *** auto359 has quit IRC [05:48:27] *** auto359 has joined #opensolaris [05:48:35] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [05:51:04] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [05:51:07] <e^ipi> hey, that's cool... in a couple builds we're getting a zfs "sharesmb" property [05:51:28] <e^ipi> I don't have any SMB networks, but it's a good thing to have support for nonetheless [05:51:34] <myrkraverk> yeah [05:52:03] * elektronkind still wants "sharenetatalk" [05:52:14] * elektronkind hides [05:53:28] <elektronkind> or sharencp [05:53:42] <e^ipi> wtf? and case-insensitive ZFS ? [05:53:47] <e^ipi> why would we need that? [05:54:20] <elektronkind> for the windows/mac dudes [05:54:40] <elektronkind> same reason why we need append only files and ton of other stuff like it [05:55:14] <e^ipi> that's stupid, they should adjust to the proper way of doing things instead of forcing the wrong way down other peoples' throats [05:55:45] <elektronkind> if solaris's smb implementation was the first one out there, I'd agree [05:55:51] <elektronkind> but that's life [05:56:10] <elektronkind> at least it's a option and left at that :) [06:02:47] *** dlynes_home has joined #opensolaris [06:15:51] *** jafari_ has quit IRC [06:17:38] *** jimt has quit IRC [06:19:19] *** dlynes has quit IRC [06:36:34] *** gavagai_ has quit IRC [06:36:45] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [06:37:04] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [06:37:10] *** neoxed has quit IRC [06:44:04] *** rockets has quit IRC [06:44:16] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [06:44:39] *** duri has quit IRC [06:45:58] *** gnut has quit IRC [06:46:18] *** g4lt-sb100 is now known as g4lt-mordant [06:49:13] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [06:50:01] *** FuzzyB has quit IRC [06:50:29] <felix_da_catz> what is the proper way to reboot a box? [06:50:56] <bda> `shutdown -i6 -y -g<N>`? `reboot`? [06:51:16] <jbk> init 6 [06:51:55] * bda pushes jbk's reset button. [06:52:44] <felix_da_catz> should I stop any services first? Mysql or apache or something? [06:53:07] *** auto359 has quit IRC [06:53:24] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [06:54:00] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [06:55:44] <jbk> felix_da_catz: if they're managed by smf, it should be taken care of [06:56:08] <jbk> if not, then might not be a bad idea (at least for mysql) [06:58:03] *** polk__ has quit IRC [06:58:09] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [06:58:41] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [07:03:32] <felix_da_catz> so would it be expecting too much for the machine to actually reboot? It is stuck on the syslogd: going down on signal 15 [07:04:03] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris [07:04:07] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [07:04:14] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [07:04:49] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [07:04:55] <sleepcat> does this look ok? http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/750045 [07:05:15] *** fuzzy_ has joined #opensolaris [07:05:19] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [07:05:19] <jmcp> felix_da_catz: it's probably waiting for one...more services to timeout [07:05:57] <felix_da_catz> jmcp: I wonder if that has anything to do with my lovely local -t unix processes that are just hanging out in lala land. [07:06:09] <jmcp> possible [07:06:28] <felix_da_catz> so what would you do? [07:06:50] <jmcp> is this a sparc box? [07:06:56] <felix_da_catz> no a x86 [07:07:14] <jmcp> did you boot with "-k" on your kernel line? [07:07:28] <felix_da_catz> not that I am aware of. [07:07:47] <jmcp> it you whack <enter> a few times do you get a prompt? [07:07:53] <felix_da_catz> no [07:08:14] <jmcp> then you'll have to wait, or give the box a kick in the balls [07:08:21] <jmcp> ie, external power-off [07:08:51] *** rockets has quit IRC [07:08:53] <felix_da_catz> so I could wait forever, or risk losing data somewhere. Such as if mysql didn't shutdown before these nasty processes [07:09:11] <jmcp> yeah [07:09:16] <jmcp> rock, meet hard place [07:09:35] <felix_da_catz> that seems to be my normal place in life. I should learn to love it. [07:10:15] <felix_da_catz> maybe I will go buy something to drink and come back. This way I can't do anything about it. If it is still locked when I get back, then its time to do a reset. [07:10:20] <jmcp> next time you boot you might want to add "-k" to the kernel$ line in the grub menu [07:10:26] <jmcp> good idea [07:11:13] *** delewis has quit IRC [07:13:52] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [07:13:53] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [07:15:39] *** sportsoft1 has joined #opensolaris [07:15:49] *** dbhinz has joined #opensolaris [07:16:07] <sportsoft1> Would it be possible to ask a straight up question? [07:16:44] <felix_da_catz> anything is possible [07:17:04] <sleepcat> LULZ [07:17:58] <jmcp> sportsoft1: just ask [07:18:53] <sportsoft1> I want to create a multi copy iscsi target for a windows cluster [07:19:11] <sportsoft1> I can create one in linux but its still a single point of failure [07:19:46] <sportsoft1> is it possible to create 2 separate nodes that have auto failover as an iscsi target on solaris? [07:20:01] <jmcp> no idea, sorry [07:20:11] <sportsoft1> I have never used Solaris but will learnt it if its the best option [07:20:18] <jmcp> you could email osol-storage and ask, that would probably be a better forum to ask in [07:21:00] <sportsoft1> ok, thankyou [07:21:10] *** sportsoft1 has left #opensolaris [07:21:13] <sleepcat> lets say one does a core install of solaris [07:21:34] <sleepcat> how can one install patches, without having java installed, nor the update manager? [07:22:05] <sleepcat> is there a command line way of updating solaris? [07:23:19] <jmcp> sleepcat: you're asking questions which overlap [07:23:33] <jmcp> if you download patches separately then you can use patchadd(1m) to install them [07:23:41] <sleepcat> ah stupid me [07:23:44] *** fuzzy__ has joined #opensolaris [07:23:45] <felix_da_catz> I thought everyone manually typed the code into the source and compiled by hand. [07:23:52] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [07:23:54] * sleepcat hangs himself by his own tail [07:23:54] <jmcp> :) [07:24:13] <jmcp> sleepcat: a *better* thing to do would be install a cluster which was closer to all+oem [07:24:17] <sleepcat> funny thing is I did that before :-o [07:24:19] <jmcp> and minimise it [07:24:30] <sleepcat> when i was on u3 [07:24:35] <sleepcat> my brain is mush [07:25:18] * sleepcat gets scared that his brain has a hole in it leaking out information [07:25:27] *** fuzzy__ is now known as Fuzzy [07:26:45] <sleepcat> well good night everyone [07:26:53] *** sleepcat has quit IRC [07:28:34] *** fuzzy_ has quit IRC [07:30:01] <felix_da_catz> well, so far so good. the processes weren't there after I rebooted. They started after I started postfix which I assume is normal. Especially with all of the mail that needs to be delivered. [07:30:10] *** dbhinz has quit IRC [07:31:05] <felix_da_catz> They came back with a ppid of postfix. So I guess we will see what happens. None of the mailboxes show up with any processes having them opened by fuser. [07:36:44] *** ICU has joined #opensolaris [07:37:44] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [07:37:58] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [07:41:02] <WickedWicky> good morning [07:44:29] <felix_da_catz> good night. :-) I am outta here. [07:44:43] <felix_da_catz> jmcp: Thanks man. Your a prince. Finally got lucky this time. [07:45:07] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC [07:45:50] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [07:50:01] *** Fuzzy has quit IRC [07:50:28] *** fuzzy has joined #opensolaris [07:51:34] *** LurkenLurker has joined #opensolaris [07:53:09] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [07:54:17] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [08:01:10] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [08:01:22] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [08:08:12] <WickedWicky> Prince jmcp.. I wonder if he has his own guards in the Sun offices [08:10:19] <WickedWicky> we could even make a game out of it, Prince of Australia, fork on Prince of persia :P [08:13:41] <e^ipi> I don't suppose there's any way of creating a zpool of an older version than the highest that the system supports, is there? [08:14:05] <e^ipi> eg, i'm on build 74 ( highest zpool version is 8 ) and my macbook probably uses 2 or 3 [08:14:10] *** simford has quit IRC [08:17:33] *** dlg has joined #opensolaris [08:20:00] *** FunkyELF has quit IRC [08:20:36] *** tsp has joined #opensolaris [08:21:15] <tsp> test [08:21:26] <Doc> cant see you, sorry [08:21:37] <tsp> at least I can do something with ubuntu, if barely [08:22:19] <tsp> I've heard so much about it and how good it is, but its dreadful [08:22:34] *** tsp is now known as tsp-ubuntu [08:22:47] <e^ipi> yes, it's quite atrocious [08:23:11] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [08:23:20] <LurkenLurker> Really? What's wrong with it? [08:25:52] <e^ipi> i was mostly just humouring him... [08:26:07] <e^ipi> i haven't used ubuntu in a long time so any gripes I have about it may or may not have been fixed [08:26:38] <tsp-ubuntu> I'm using gaim and irca, well pidjin and orca, and its like using dos [08:26:56] <LurkenLurker> I last used it in 05 [08:27:00] <LurkenLurker> it's very brown, iirc [08:27:03] <e^ipi> aside from the obvious complaints, which is to say "braindead kernel and crap userland" [08:27:50] *** tsp-ubuntu has quit IRC [08:28:08] * Stric finds ubuntu/debian quite usable [08:28:43] *** tsp has joined #opensolaris [08:28:49] <e^ipi> usability wise, I hear great things about sabayon [08:28:54] <Stric> e^ipi: I think the "create an older version" is planned or something [08:29:00] <tsp> orca died, had to restart X [08:29:17] <e^ipi> things like mimetypes set up properly by default, etc [08:29:20] <e^ipi> Stric: what? [08:29:59] <e^ipi> oh, of ZFS [08:30:01] <Stric> e^ipi: zpool create -version blah [08:30:30] <e^ipi> meh, that's cool [08:31:21] <tsp> the terminal regularly misses the first character of anything it speaks, alsa is a pile of junk waiting to collapse, etc [08:32:22] <Stric> tsp: huh? [08:33:33] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [08:33:48] *** program has joined #opensolaris [08:34:13] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [08:36:09] <fuzzy> i got debian to work with xen on open solaris [08:39:04] *** WickedWorking has joined #opensolaris [08:39:09] <WickedWorking> hoorah [08:39:19] <tsp> yo [08:39:22] <WickedWorking> eya [08:39:49] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [08:39:51] <WickedWorking> I have great office music for today, Iced Earth :P [08:42:31] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [08:47:18] <WickedWorking> ergm, in which directory does coolstack put it's manifest files? [08:48:00] *** LurkenLurker has left #opensolaris [08:48:46] *** fuzzy_ has joined #opensolaris [08:49:14] *** fuzzy has quit IRC [08:50:02] *** tsp has quit IRC [08:50:16] <e^ipi> WickedWicky: you know you can svccfg export and import, yes? [08:50:21] <e^ipi> or just setprop [08:50:52] *** fuzzy_ is now known as Fuzzy [08:51:05] <WickedWorking> maybe I should rephrase: I cant find how to start the coolstack apache and coolstack mysql, and how i usualy find out is by browsing trough the manifest directory [08:51:24] <e^ipi> that's quite a silly way of going about it [08:51:32] <e^ipi> if you need to browse things, svcs -a [08:51:35] <WickedWorking> maybe, but it works, and I am silly [08:51:38] <bda> WickedWorking: They aren't integrated with SMF afaik. [08:51:43] <WickedWorking> oh [08:51:53] <e^ipi> svcs -a | grep apache if you really feel like being efficient [08:51:57] <WickedWorking> e^ipi I did that [08:52:02] <WickedWorking> and I didnt see anything with mysql in it [08:52:05] <bda> e^ipi is right, though. Typically you want to use `svcs 'pattern'` or `svcs -a`. [08:52:12] <WickedWorking> so I thought it was maybe named different, hence why I was browsing :) [08:52:26] <bda> WickedWorking: I'm just starting them manually until I become unlazy enough to write manifests. [08:53:11] <WickedWorking> that's how i started them now yes, but I was wondering if there were svc methods available, thank you [08:53:44] <bda> Just write some. [08:53:59] <WickedWorking> yes, when I am less lazy [08:54:05] <bda> Or, really, both will be available via sun.com somewhere. [08:54:08] <bda> Probably BigAdmin. [08:54:13] *** dlg_ has joined #opensolaris [08:54:18] <bda> The Apache and MySQL HOWTO articles. [08:54:58] <e^ipi> svc manifests are actually pretty easy [08:55:20] <bda> They are super easy. [08:55:27] <WickedWorking> I'll have a look later when I am at home, I run coolstack on my box at home and the boss seems moody already, he'll be even more moody when I had the 'we need to talk' talk, so better not give him any fuel to bitch at me for messing with my home box [08:55:32] <e^ipi> especially if you pick a dumb one that just runs a command like postgresql's manifest and use it as a template [08:55:37] <bda> I didn't understand the whole "wah, writing SMF stuff is hard" thread on smf-discuss@ a while back. [08:55:49] <WickedWorking> we wrote methods in the Sun Cluster 3.1 classes [08:55:50] <e^ipi> bda: people are dumb *shrug* [08:56:02] *** Gropi has joined #opensolaris [08:56:17] <WickedWorking> ey, not dumb, just dutch and at work ;-) [08:57:25] <bda> We used to have all our MySQL instances automatically restart when they died. [08:57:31] <bda> Which happened fairly often on our old hardware base. [08:57:42] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:57:43] <bda> Guess what happens MySQL decides it really needs to not be running and you force it to run again? [08:57:48] <bda> Massive amounts of cockruption. [08:57:51] * bda hates MySQL a lot. [08:58:08] <WickedWorking> for critical stuff I use Oracle [08:58:37] <bda> For critical stuff I'd like to use postgres, but it's non-trivial. [08:58:40] <bda> (to migrate) [09:01:03] *** jmcp has quit IRC [09:01:08] <bda> Even moving to MySQL 5 is proving problematic. :\ [09:02:13] *** dlg has quit IRC [09:06:53] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:08:34] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [09:09:04] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [09:10:43] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [09:13:50] <logic_> WickedWorking: hee Wicked, good morning [09:14:21] <logic_> WickedWorking: did you see the nlosug mailing? there is going to be a new meeting, are you going? [09:17:00] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [09:19:18] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [09:20:22] *** yongsun has quit IRC [09:21:18] <WickedWorking> I didnt see the mailing, when is this? [09:21:30] <logic_> WickedWorking: i found http://blogs.sun.com/downstream/tags/coolstack handy, for the writing the manifest files [09:21:46] <logic_> WickedWorking: too bad coolstack doesnt come with the manifest files :( [09:21:55] <logic_> WickedWorking: maybe in the next version [09:22:07] <WickedWorking> logic_: I bookmarked the URL, thank you [09:22:17] <WickedWorking> logic_: wanneer is die meeting? [09:23:09] <logic_> WickedWorking: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=164 [09:23:23] <logic_> WickedWorking: 6dec i believe [09:23:59] *** Adjen has joined #opensolaris [09:24:04] <WickedWorking> I'll in in Rio de Janeiro on that date I think [09:24:04] <WickedWorking> if I am in the country I'll go [09:24:28] <logic_> WickedWorking: hmm sun or rio.. tough.. :P [09:24:37] *** comay has quit IRC [09:25:23] <WickedWorking> a friend if my will graduate and invited me for the party [09:25:36] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [09:25:39] <logic_> WickedWorking: if you also want svn module in apache and mod_proxy, i created a little post: http://www.mindtravel.nl/blog/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=coolstack [09:25:54] <logic_> WickedWorking: wow thats cool :) [09:26:12] <pablomh> "PSARC/2007/560 ZFS sharesmb property" [09:26:13] <pablomh> :) [09:26:14] <pablomh> wow [09:27:09] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer [09:30:23] *** Catty has joined #opensolaris [09:30:32] <Fuzzy> oh that's what it is [09:30:36] <Fuzzy> err [09:32:05] *** Catty has left #opensolaris [09:37:00] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [09:40:09] <pablomh> CIFS server was integrated yesterday [09:40:36] <trochej> yum [09:40:38] <trochej> coffee? [09:40:45] *** Downix has quit IRC [09:40:47] <WickedWorking> be right back people [09:40:58] <trochej> pablomh: In what, b77? [09:41:02] <WickedWorking> trochej: yes, gonna buy a coffee at Mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa's [09:41:24] <pablomh> trochej, yes: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/ [09:41:26] *** WickedWorking has quit IRC [09:41:50] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:45:07] <trochej> pablomh: Was reading that yesterday [09:46:36] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [09:46:44] *** stratism has joined #opensolaris [09:47:25] *** phips|mb has joined #opensolaris [09:47:45] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [09:49:02] <stratism> Hello again... Does anyone know how I can setup a printer shared from a windows PC on my Solaris Express Developers Edition??? [09:49:17] <stratism> I have tried everything the FAQ describes about but [09:50:01] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [09:50:28] <stratism> my /etc/printers.conf does not include the line "smb://....." instead no matter what it writes "ipp://...." which is wrong. [09:50:33] <stratism> any ideas? [09:51:29] *** auto359 has joined #opensolaris [09:51:38] <Fuzzy> edit it by hand? [09:51:55] <Fuzzy> i got open solaris + xen + zfs shares + debian etch to work [09:53:10] *** phips|mb has quit IRC [09:54:08] <trochej> Fuzzy: How does it do? [09:54:36] <Fuzzy> so far it feels almost faster than my linux xen box with about 8x the power [09:54:46] <Fuzzy> i'm documenting it right now [09:54:49] *** WickedWorking has joined #opensolaris [09:54:50] <WickedWorking> zo [09:54:52] <Fuzzy> there were a few hangups [09:55:04] <Fuzzy> mind you i have no hard numbers to back that up [09:55:10] <Fuzzy> yet. [09:55:20] <Fuzzy> but there are a few gotchas [09:56:37] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:00:16] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:27] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:00:42] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:00:55] <timsf> morning all [10:06:46] *** nostoi has quit IRC [10:08:42] <trochej> mornin' [10:08:45] <trochej> And a coffee [10:09:01] <timsf> coffee - good idea. [10:14:20] *** gdamore has quit IRC [10:19:41] <trochej> Always [10:19:42] <trochej> :) [10:20:26] *** Teknomancer has joined #opensolaris [10:25:15] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [10:26:04] <jmcp> timsf: did you read Mike Dillon's blog entry today? [10:26:26] <jmcp> response to the NetApp suit - http://blogs.sun.com/dillon/resource/SunAnswer.pdf [10:27:11] <timsf> Yeah - haven't read all of the pdf yet [10:27:32] <timsf> (what is it with legal documents that they insist on being double-spaced, makes 'em impossible to read) [10:27:43] <jmcp> yeah [10:27:50] <jmcp> "all guns blazing" is an appropriate summary, I think [10:28:13] <timsf> I was throwing around Untouchables quotes the other day... [10:28:35] *** worklezz has joined #opensolaris [10:28:36] <timsf> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094226/quotes#qt0310266 [10:28:36] <timsf> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094226/quotes#qt0310270 [10:28:39] <timsf> seemed appropriate. [10:29:56] * jmcp chuckles [10:29:58] <jmcp> yeah :-) [10:30:59] <Teknomancer> downloading nevada build 75... [10:31:08] <timsf> It'll be interesting to see el Reg's take on it [10:32:09] <logic_> Fuzzy: hope to see youre post soon about debian and xen, i tried it yesterday but it keeps complaining about "not an install disk" :( [10:32:22] <Fuzzy> yea [10:32:25] <jmcp> timsf: groklaw has started a page about it too [10:32:39] <Fuzzy> basically you need to use jailtimes sarge as a sparse file [10:32:44] <timsf> Yeah, and there's the link on sun.com somewhere too [10:32:46] <Fuzzy> update apt to reflect etch [10:32:53] <Fuzzy> install deboot strap [10:33:00] <Fuzzy> mkfs.ext3 your zfs slices [10:33:31] <Fuzzy> mount, strap, fstab, apt-get install libc6-xen (32bit only), passwd, shutdown, edit conf to remove jailtime, reboot [10:34:22] <logic_> Fuzzy: what did you use as a install command? [10:34:25] <logic_> Fuzzy: i tried: virt-install -n gath-01 -r 1000 --nographics -f /export/pool3/debian-test.img --mac=aa:ff:bb:aa:28:16 -p -l /export/pool2/media/util/debian/debian-40r1-amd64-netinst.iso [10:34:30] <logic_> Fuzzy: but that didn't work [10:34:33] <Fuzzy> ah see i did it by hand [10:34:38] <Fuzzy> i built my own conf [10:34:43] <Fuzzy> and used xm create to build teh guest [10:35:00] <logic_> Fuzzy: oww ok , thats the difference [10:35:08] <Fuzzy> it's not that bad really [10:35:11] <Fuzzy> give me another hour or so [10:35:17] <Fuzzy> and i'll have something up on our wifi [10:35:19] <Fuzzy> wiki [10:35:30] <Pietro_S> KDE OpenSolaaris project is hidden? I just want to check state for my evening presentation, cause people could ask about it ... [10:36:54] *** A`Adjensenu has joined #opensolaris [10:37:59] *** A`Adjensenu has quit IRC [10:38:18] <timsf> You sure Pietro_S ? http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/kde/ loads for me... [10:38:23] *** A`Adjensenu has joined #opensolaris [10:41:54] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC [10:46:03] *** halton has quit IRC [10:47:34] *** A`Adjensenu has quit IRC [10:47:53] *** A`Adjensenu has joined #opensolaris [10:49:27] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [10:50:29] *** worklezz has quit IRC [10:51:13] <Pietro_S> it loads for me too, but itB's not in the project list ... [10:51:48] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [10:52:26] *** Adjen has quit IRC [10:55:59] <tomww> Hi Pietro_S :-) [10:59:39] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:59:51] <timsf> odd - thought that project list was autogenerated... [11:01:50] *** simford has quit IRC [11:02:12] <Pietro_S> hello tomww [11:04:51] <WickedWorking> question about publickey authentication in combination of Solaris 10/Opensolaris [11:05:36] <WickedWorking> users that use a private/public keypair which work with OpenSSH under Linux, don't work with Solaris 10/Opensolaris. What we see is that our key gets simply refused by the server [11:05:54] <Pietro_S> if I use reboot -- -v in failsafe, will normal OpenSolaris boot with -v option? [11:07:47] <Pietro_S> or can I force some more verbose boot from grub? [11:09:20] <timsf> boot -m verbose [11:10:39] <timsf> (not the grub "boot" - eg. "kernel /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix -m verbose" I think should do it) [11:11:12] <kjetilho> yow, those quad-core T2 sure are expensive [11:11:27] *** A`Adjensenu has quit IRC [11:12:19] <kjetilho> excellent performance -- shame that you get it for 1/3 the price if you go for dual Intel Quad Core instead. [11:14:19] <Pietro_S> timsf: thanks, but it looks like my laptop is screwed by warranty repair, and OpenSolaris won't work on it anymore :( [11:14:41] <timsf> Ow! [11:15:36] <cmihai> kjetilho, if you think the quad core is expensive.. you should check out the 8 core Niagara 2 :-) [11:15:37] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [11:15:45] <WickedWorking> haha [11:16:23] <cmihai> The T5220 for example [11:16:27] <Pietro_S> I just tried sxce 70, which worked perfectly before repair, it hangs just after showing that copyright message [11:16:59] <cmihai> 60000k for a 8-core 1.4Ghz / 64GB RAM system. [11:17:37] <quasi> cmihai: most of that price is for the memory [11:17:44] <cmihai> Sure [11:17:51] <jmcp> kjetilho: if your app is sparc-only, Intel quad core ain't gonna help you [11:17:54] <cmihai> But I hate buying quad or 6 cored Niagaras [11:17:57] <cmihai> They're basically broken :P [11:18:02] <quasi> 4G ecc sticks are bleeding expensive [11:18:03] *** lasseoe has quit IRC [11:18:04] <kjetilho> cmihai: oh, but you need the octo core to compete with the quad core on speed [11:18:05] *** lasseoe has joined #opensolaris [11:18:12] <cmihai> yeah [11:18:26] <cmihai> And the 1.4Ghz [11:18:27] <quasi> cmihai: get 8core 1.2Ghz instead [11:18:28] <cmihai> not the 1.2 [11:18:28] <kjetilho> jmcp: I know, so we will probaby get one [11:18:42] <kjetilho> the 1.4 GHz isn't even listed? [11:19:03] <kjetilho> ah, there it is [11:19:05] *** migi has joined #opensolaris [11:19:15] <kjetilho> yow^2! [11:19:20] <kjetilho> USD 59k! [11:19:30] <kjetilho> fully speced with 64 GiB RAM, but still [11:20:04] *** theRealBallchalk is now known as BallChalk|zzZZ [11:21:16] <Pietro_S> I don't know how they could screwed it so much, they just changed motherboard and disk ! for same type ... [11:22:11] <kjetilho> low chip yields I guess [11:22:21] <kjetilho> it's always like that on newly introduced chips [11:22:30] <dlg_> cheaper than an m4k [11:22:47] <kjetilho> what's an m4k? [11:23:10] <timsf> Nearly big iron.. [11:23:19] <jmcp> it's certainly rather heavy [11:23:20] <kjetilho> ah, there it is... clearly I'm out of touch [11:23:22] <dlg_> baby big iron [11:23:27] <dlg_> jmcp: you have one? [11:23:41] *** dlg_ is now known as dlg [11:23:56] <quasi> the m4k is a power hungry box compared to niagraII systems [11:24:12] <kjetilho> which server give best performance if you only can parallelize to 2-3 threads? [11:24:15] <timsf> We've one downstairs I think. [11:24:29] <quasi> kjetilho: m4k [11:24:34] *** hallu_ has joined #opensolaris [11:25:19] <kjetilho> right. the m8k can take 2.4 GHz CPUs, but that's certainly too big iron [11:25:45] <quasi> but getting an m4k with 64G mem isn't cheap [11:26:37] <quasi> 2.1GHz btw [11:28:04] <kjetilho> Sun's shop says the Netra CT900 runs the "UltraSPARC IIIi AMD Opteron architecture" [11:28:37] <auto359> hey, i am running SXDE/x86 with 3 instances of FF (tabs) and netbeans6.0, and my sysmem use is at 83% ... have 1GB ddram, is this a reasonable use of memory? [11:28:39] <quasi> M4000 with 64G mem - $114k [11:28:57] <dlg> quasi: is that fully loaded with cpus too? [11:29:07] <quasi> dlg: no, only two [11:29:25] <kjetilho> auto359: it doesn't sound too out of whack, I'm afraid [11:29:28] <auto359> dlg: hi, how was the rest of the week? [11:29:34] <quasi> dlg: another $25k for 2 more procs [11:29:36] <auto359> kjetilho: k, hmm [11:29:39] <dlg> auto359: balls [11:29:45] <auto359> 8-( [11:30:00] <dlg> c'est la vie [11:30:05] <auto359> indeed [11:30:41] <palowoda> auto359: 1G of memory == 20 McDonald Bigmac hambergers. [11:31:03] <auto359> palowoda: ? [11:31:04] <bda> hahaha. [11:31:07] <quasi> palowoda: I'd rather eat the memory ;) [11:31:32] <bda> palowoda: There needs to be a chart which compares various pieces of hardware against McDonalds, Taco Bell, KFC "food"... [11:31:33] <auto359> ah, as in cost of another 1gb ram ... got it [11:31:44] <palowoda> Actually it maybe onely worth 8 bigmacs now. [11:32:07] <kjetilho> palowoda: you should price 2 GB, since a desktop seldom has spare slots [11:32:12] *** tsp has joined #opensolaris [11:32:32] <palowoda> What 180.00 for 4G? [11:32:56] *** smtms has quit IRC [11:33:21] <palowoda> Two slots two gig sims. [11:34:02] <Pietro_S> auto359: if you use JDS, than you are lucky that your RAM wasn't eaten already, if you switch to xfce you could get more 100-200 free memory ... [11:34:38] <auto359> hmm, this is gnome by default [11:36:05] <palowoda> Shesh 4G dropped to 153.00. Is that reasonable? [11:36:53] <palowoda> http://www.pricewatch.com/memory/ddr2-800_pc2-6400_4gb.htm [11:37:45] <quasi> palowoda: no, that's totally unreasonable [11:38:15] <palowoda> Yeah a buger a Gig is where it should be. [11:39:47] <quasi> no, no - the unreasonable bit is that my local price is almost double that [11:39:53] <palowoda> Actually it should be they give free memory to test the free software to compensate for everybody's time. [11:40:55] <palowoda> Sum Zero, everybody wins. [11:42:24] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [11:43:28] <quasi> oh wait - 2XMD2667-2G PC2-6400 DDR2 800 - I think it is actually just ddr2667 [11:43:45] *** tsp has quit IRC [11:43:56] <palowoda> Maybe the price of Sun memory wiether it be a ECC or not is just not a popular subject with respects on Sun hardware. [11:44:36] *** tsp has joined #opensolaris [11:44:42] <quasi> palowoda: looking at kingston it is fairly easy to find a price for sun compat memory [11:45:19] *** insomnia has quit IRC [11:45:24] *** insomnia_ has joined #OpenSolaris [11:45:29] <palowoda> Say what is the going price of 4G of ECC memory these days? [11:48:51] *** jmcp has quit IRC [11:51:17] <palowoda> What about 500.00 for 667 DDR2 SIMMS? [11:51:30] <quasi> prolly more [11:52:04] <palowoda> http://www.pricewatch.com/memory/994523-2.htm [11:53:13] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [12:02:01] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris [12:12:01] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [12:16:53] *** unixlust has quit IRC [12:23:52] *** Downix has quit IRC [12:28:25] <palowoda> I build a cheap ass Solaris x86 box and this is what my cat thinks about it. http://www.fiver.net/misc/cat1.jpg [12:29:44] <seanmcg> thats what us humans are for... Keeping cats fed and comfortable [12:30:11] <trygvis> I guess it is nice and warm [12:30:12] <kszwed> heh, it llooks like it got zapped. =) [12:31:32] <seanmcg> ping timsf [12:31:43] <timsf> hey seanmcg [12:31:53] <palowoda> Yeah and if I try to put a cd in it she complains she has no food. [12:32:19] <seanmcg> how do I pull the recording off this thing ? [12:32:37] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:34:00] <palowoda> I wished they didn't remove SUNWlibcdio from build 75. It messed up a few of my Gnome apps. [12:34:13] *** cmihai has quit IRC [12:36:26] <WickedWorking> palowoda: you get 1GB for 20 euros? [12:37:14] <palowoda> Petro is expensive in the US. Memory for computers is dirt cheap. Go figure. [12:37:19] <WickedWorking> HAHA, cool cat.. he seems to like what you build [12:37:21] <WickedWorking> buit [12:37:24] <WickedWorking> built, damn [12:38:01] *** salamanders has joined #opensolaris [12:38:05] <Pietro_S> oh I think that I found why my noteboot doesn't work with sxce, it failed to install boot blocjs [12:38:28] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [12:38:38] <palowoda> What is blocjs? [12:38:58] *** auto359 has quit IRC [12:39:05] <timsf> a typo for boot block, I'm guessink [12:39:10] <Pietro_S> bootblocks , sry missclick .. [12:40:35] <palowoda> I'm suprised build 75 has upgraded three of five systems I used for testing. And what is more suprising is my laptop which didn't work sense build 56 worked with build 75. [12:41:02] *** joe-root has joined #opensolaris [12:43:06] <palowoda> Still have two more to install. [12:43:27] <joe-root> hi [12:43:41] <joe-root> i m looking for a way to redirect SSH pass asking to a file [12:43:54] <palowoda> What did they do move some of the Xen boot dependencies to a differenet part of Grub boot in 75? [12:43:55] <joe-root> or to enter password in command line with -o option [12:43:56] <joe-root> is tehre a way [12:44:01] <joe-root> i can't use ssh keys [12:44:09] <Stric> you can use expect [12:44:15] <flyingparchment> why can't you use keys? [12:44:37] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [12:45:19] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [12:48:10] <jamesd> you can try with an ssh agent [12:49:58] <g4lt-mordant> joe-root, given that opensshd takes stderr for the password, good luck with that [12:50:09] <joe-root> :( [12:50:28] <joe-root> i can't use key because it is for a special stcript on a special fucking server [12:50:55] <joe-root> i have to wait for Password: [12:51:01] <joe-root> and then send the password [12:51:17] <joe-root> i heard about a variable called $SSH_ASKPASS [12:51:22] <cmihai> joe-root, you know you can use passwordless keys right? [12:51:23] <joe-root> is it that ? [12:51:36] <joe-root> cmihai it is realy special [12:51:47] <PerterB> can you enable HostbasedAuthentication? otherwise you'll have to use something like expect [12:51:47] <joe-root> too long to explain all conditions on those servers [12:51:48] * g4lt-mordant points joe-root at .shosts [12:51:59] <joe-root> no can't make hosts based auth [12:52:10] <joe-root> only way is to enter a pass [12:52:14] <PerterB> well, ye cannae change the laws of physics [12:52:36] <cmihai> Sounds to me like intelectual sloth. [12:52:57] <PerterB> Sounds to me line fascist change-control :) [12:52:58] <joe-root> me tooo but i m working for a big company and can't change the world ... [12:52:59] <cmihai> Putting the plain text password in a script file is a deadly sin in my book. [12:53:02] <PerterB> *like [12:53:26] <PerterB> cmihai: indeed, should be a sackable offence [12:53:40] <joe-root> is there a way to specify it with by example -o option or with ASK_PASS VARIABLE [12:53:43] <cmihai> You could use LDAP or NIS for your needs. Oh well. [12:53:47] *** FunkyELF has joined #opensolaris [12:54:06] <cmihai> Or even something like cfegine... [12:54:25] <joe-root> no like i explain this is very special case i cannot change [12:54:35] <joe-root> all my other servers use only ssh keys [12:54:41] <PerterB> joe-root: grasping at straws hoping an application designed with security in mind has some magic feature to let you use it in an insecure way isn't going to get you anywhere [12:54:58] <joe-root> i konw that [12:55:12] <joe-root> but i need something :'( [12:55:16] <cmihai> So _look_ for another way. Just saying "it's a special case" isn't... helping your case. [12:55:35] <PerterB> Email Theo, tell him it's a special case :) [12:55:40] <cmihai> hahahaha [12:56:19] <joe-root> ok to explain you better [12:57:11] <joe-root> my colleag is working on a windows script that wil lconnect to solaris servers ( with a compiled EXE) don't have any write perm on the dir etc... [12:57:20] <joe-root> so i m looking for a way to help him [12:57:35] <PerterB> this just gets worse and worse :) [12:57:45] <cmihai> Yeah, I'm sorry I've asked :-) [12:57:50] <joe-root> because if i give him the unix way we will find the win way ;D [12:58:18] <cmihai> Sounds more like a lose lose than sol-win to me [12:58:25] <WickedWorking> joe-root [12:58:36] <WickedWorking> so you want the script to enter the password for you? [12:58:54] <joe-root> exactly [12:59:02] *** logic_ has quit IRC [12:59:06] <joe-root> no [12:59:12] <WickedWorking> hm [12:59:17] <WickedWorking> not -l then [12:59:21] <WickedWorking> whatever [12:59:27] <WickedWorking> there is an argument for it on the command line [12:59:48] <PerterB> Expect also runs on Windows... http://expect.nist.gov/#windows [13:00:23] <cmihai> So do ssh keys and ssh for that matter. [13:00:34] <joe-root> wicked i couldn't find password on command line [13:00:39] <joe-root> because it s too dangerous [13:01:07] <WickedWorking> LOL [13:01:08] <WickedWorking> yeah [13:01:10] <PerterB> yup... putty/plink/pagent would be the way to go [13:01:15] <WickedWorking> and putting your password hardcoded in a script isnt [13:01:24] <cmihai> Right, yeah, and plain text password in a file isn't. [13:01:31] <WickedWorking> cmihai ^5 [13:01:46] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [13:02:35] <cmihai> PerterB, you can also get openssh binaries or compile it yourself on Microsoft's SFU/SUA platform (Interix). Or even using Cygwin might be an option. (if you want openssh syntax) [13:02:54] <PerterB> Generally though, the best way to deal with this class of problem is to turn it around, use smbclient to copy the files to the Windows box rather than compromising your security for Windows' benefit [13:03:31] <PerterB> cmihai: I know, but the putty stuff is trivial to download and use, even for Windows people [13:03:55] <cmihai> Yeah, no need to install stuff or anything. [13:04:38] <WickedWorking> actually, if this server is so special I wouldnt choose for a push-to-server model even, I'd have the special server pull it from somewhere [13:05:21] <joe-root> this is openssh [13:05:35] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [13:05:45] <cmihai> Anyway, I'm looking for some ZFS digital forensic and data recovery tools. Hell, even some OpenBSD UFS stuff since the UFS stuff I have is commercial (R-Studio / Stellar Phoenix). [13:07:11] <cmihai> I've been working on http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/10/digital-forensic-tools-imaging.html and thinking of making some kind USB stick / DVD distro or whatever with the tools. Though ZFS has me a bit.. puzzled. The FUSE Linux port mgiht be an idea, but that's just overkill, and still won't cover recovery. [13:07:37] <quasi> ick, PSARC 2007/244 - ZFS case-insensitive support [13:08:19] <cmihai> heh [13:08:30] <jamesd> quasi, well some people samba to a different drum [13:08:33] <kjetilho> quasi: useful for Samba ... but ick... [13:08:41] <quasi> for the cifs server, yes [13:09:27] <Stric> and for macs [13:09:45] <quasi> is osx case insensitive? [13:10:02] <flyingparchment> quasi: it's optional iirc, depends on fs type [13:10:09] <PerterB> quasi: some OSX filesystems are (HFS and HFS+) [13:10:16] * quasi scramles to cancel macbook order [13:10:22] <jamesd> ah, apple a company whose first 2 generation of computers didn't support lowercase letters. [13:10:37] <PerterB> cmihai: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2007-October/043561.html although he doesn't seem to have published it yet [13:11:06] <flyingparchment> case insensitive zfs would actually be quite nice, as it's per-fs.. [13:11:10] <flyingparchment> just enable it on your NT shares :) [13:11:42] <quasi> flyingparchment: true [13:11:43] <PerterB> flyingparchment: that's what that PSARC is for, for support for the native CIFS client that's coming [13:11:46] <cmihai> PerterB, hell yeah I'm interested, this sounds so much like the "fls" tool from SleuthKit, but with ZFS support. [13:11:48] <cmihai> Thanks mate. [13:12:05] <flyingparchment> PerterB: hm.. what does CIFS client have to do with ZFS? [13:12:14] <quasi> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/76-80/ [13:12:47] <PerterB> flyingparchment: because a CIFS client is more useful when the underlying filesystem has the case-sensitivity semantics the clients expect? [13:12:52] <PerterB> agh [13:12:55] <PerterB> s/client/server/ ! [13:13:03] <flyingparchment> PerterB: but a cifs client is its own filesystem, not a zfs, isn't it? [13:13:08] <cmihai> PerterB, yeah, not published yet. Oh well, let's hope he doesn't forget :-) [13:13:09] <flyingparchment> oh, that makes more sense :) [13:13:20] <PerterB> I need more coffee :) [13:13:37] <cmihai> Would be nice if it even worked, I've got some 500GB on a crashed ZFS disk I'd like to recover. [13:13:41] <cmihai> Nothing critical, but still. [13:14:44] *** mikefut has quit IRC [13:14:48] <PerterB> I also just had a moment where I though I was experiencing some weird ZFS bug where ls and echo couldn't see most of my files put find and du could, until I realised I had managed to move most of the files into a subdir... :) [13:15:28] <cmihai> heh [13:15:38] <flyingparchment> so is this new 'cifs server' just a better integrated samba, or something entirely new? [13:15:49] <dlg> i hear that its new [13:15:53] <cmihai> Does it support SMB2? [13:16:33] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [13:16:40] <cmihai> That would be great, SMB2 has a LOT of new cool stuff. [13:17:28] <quasi> flyingparchment: yeah, not samba at all [13:17:43] <cmihai> (transaction support, crypto, symlink support, larger buffer size and so on). Better performance too.. and since it will be used in Vista and 2008, might as well do it on SMB2, not SMB1 ;-\ [13:17:46] <PerterB> "Its based on the CIFS codebase currently delivered on Sun's [13:17:46] <PerterB> StorageTek [13:17:46] <PerterB> NAS (non-Solaris) product line(53xx,52xx)" [13:18:05] <quasi> exactly [13:18:24] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [13:18:57] <cmihai> that's SMB1 ;-) [13:18:59] <quasi> I wonder if netapp will try to sue based on that as well [13:19:10] <cmihai> Didn't they sue over ZFS? [13:19:22] <PerterB> yes [13:19:49] <PerterB> which looks like getting ugly: http://blogs.sun.com/dillon/ [13:20:01] <cmihai> Fuck [13:20:05] <cmihai> ZFS doesn't need a SCO [13:20:30] <quasi> it won't get one - http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/ [13:21:16] <Doc> netapp sued sun. sun sued netapp [13:21:23] <PerterB> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071025004033835 is an interesting and mostly neutral commentary [13:21:25] <Doc> roughly in that order [13:21:30] <joe-root> for thos who are interested [13:21:37] <cmihai> Gee. [13:21:38] <joe-root> there is a way to do what i wanted to do [13:21:45] <joe-root> using SSH_ASKPASS [13:22:02] <joe-root> SSH_ASKPASS=/tmp/pass [13:22:06] <joe-root> pass containing [13:22:09] <joe-root> echo password [13:22:18] <joe-root> chmod 700 /tmp/pass [13:22:21] <joe-root> ssh -T [13:22:22] <joe-root> :D [13:23:02] <cmihai> Oh, that's smart. Put it in /tmp. Yeah. [13:23:22] <PerterB> /renick joe-root joe-user [13:23:27] <joe-root> it was just a sample [13:28:22] *** Rivelli has left #opensolaris [13:29:25] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris [13:31:06] *** openfanss has joined #opensolaris [13:33:15] <WickedWorking> coffee? cmihai? [13:33:23] <cmihai> eye? [13:34:10] * WickedWorking hands you a nice cup of java [13:34:22] <trochej> Ahhh [13:34:25] <trochej> Coffee [13:34:29] <WickedWorking> yaz [13:34:30] <trochej> I knew I had to do something [13:34:33] <Teltariat> Why you stole cmihai's coffee? [13:34:40] <WickedWorking> no, I asked him if he wants some [13:34:55] <Teltariat> trochej drank cmihai's Java [13:34:59] <WickedWorking> WHAT?! [13:35:09] <cmihai> Bleah, Java :P [13:35:12] <trochej> What? [13:35:14] <Teltariat> Its time for the spanky stick [13:35:21] <trochej> I need to make me a coffe [13:41:26] <flyingparchment> hmm, is there a better ldap directory editor for users than sun's one? (to let them change their account details, passwords, etc) [13:42:34] *** lifeplayer has joined #opensolaris [13:52:58] *** bengtf has quit IRC [13:53:16] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [13:54:22] <PerterB> flyingparchment: if you have given them permissions to modify those attributes then they could use http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap/ [13:54:41] <flyingparchment> PerterB: i was hoping for something more user friendly than that :) [13:54:56] <PerterB> "call support and get them to do it" ;) [13:58:03] <trochej> :) [13:58:22] <trochej> You can always write yourself Catalyst app to perform this task [14:03:21] <PerterB> I think some of the bloatware ldap editors also let you specify templates that might editting easier for your users [14:04:17] <flyingparchment> yeah, we actually have a middleware add that exposes a SOAP interface to the directory.. i'll probably write something using that [14:05:10] *** peteh has quit IRC [14:05:11] <cmihai> flyingparchment, Active Directory ftw :P [14:05:29] <flyingparchment> i hear AD runs great on solaris.. ;) [14:05:34] <cmihai> Sure does ;P [14:05:53] <trochej> flyingparchment: You can always wait for opends to get an editor and then push for a "Hurra" migration :) [14:06:41] <PerterB> or ask in #ldap and see what the linux weenies use with openldap [14:06:54] <flyingparchment> phpldapadmin, probably ;) [14:07:03] <PerterB> sounds plausible :) [14:07:12] <cmihai> argh :-) [14:10:34] <quasi> should take about 2 minutes to write a small perl script to do the work [14:12:33] *** Rivelli has joined #opensolaris [14:14:53] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [14:15:03] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [14:16:20] <trochej> yup [14:16:27] <trochej> Net::LDAP is quite nice, actually [14:16:45] <asyd> hmm, nice? [14:16:57] <trochej> You know. [14:17:06] <trochej> Furry, wrm, purrs... [14:17:11] <trochej> s/wrm/warm/ [14:17:16] <trochej> nice [14:17:19] <asyd> well, I'm not really agree but ok :p [14:17:19] <trochej> CATS ARE NICE [14:17:47] <asyd> flyingparchment: you want something web oriented? or standalone? [14:17:57] <flyingparchment> asyd: web based [14:18:07] <trochej> standalone is cat and sed :) [14:18:15] <trochej> flyingparchment: phpldapadmin, [14:18:16] <trochej> works [14:18:20] <asyd> when you say "better [..] than sun's one" you refer to what ? [14:18:21] <flyingparchment> it's for end users of a web site, so ldap browsers and commandline tools are not suitable :) [14:18:24] <quasi> flyingparchment: print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; [14:18:34] <quasi> ;) [14:18:35] <flyingparchment> asyd: "Directory Editor", a standalone directory editor app [14:18:36] <asyd> the one included in DSEE console? Or Directory Edtro ? [14:18:37] <asyd> ok [14:18:42] <trochej> quasi: Then use catalyst :) [14:18:52] <quasi> trochej: why bloat? [14:18:53] <flyingparchment> i'm fine editing it myself, just need something for the users [14:19:12] <trochej> quasi: use ksh shell scripts? [14:19:14] <trochej> cgi? [14:19:17] <trochej> :) [14:19:54] <quasi> trochej: print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; was supposed to be perl as we were talking Net::LDAP [14:20:15] <trochej> quasi: I know, I recognise my everyday working tool :) [14:20:16] <asyd> ah, if you something nice users oriented, there is calendra, but well, it's not free, and require some (lot) of config [14:20:28] * asyd dreams about something like calendra in opensource or at least free [14:20:41] <trochej> quasi: I used to write quite a few web tools for my previous company in perl [14:20:46] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [14:21:15] <quasi> trochej: so did I - >10 years ago [14:21:28] <trochej> Nah, just 2 years ago :) [14:22:01] <trochej> quasi: And my new employer has made perl a corporate standard for scripting apps [14:22:14] <trochej> admin side of the things, coders use java [14:22:27] <tsoome> thats stupid [14:22:47] <tsoome> corporate standard for scripting.... grr [14:23:12] <tsoome> why ppl dont get, unix is not windows [14:24:07] <quasi> choosing something as corp standard is probably smarter than the usual mess of tool done in $languagedujour [14:26:16] <trochej> tsoome: Maybe because we are required to write proper manpage for our every tool and a proper wiki entry [14:26:24] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [14:26:24] *** tsp has quit IRC [14:26:24] *** timsf has quit IRC [14:26:24] *** polk__ has quit IRC [14:26:25] *** medar has quit IRC [14:26:26] *** elektronkind has quit IRC [14:26:26] *** salmandr_ has quit IRC [14:26:26] *** toblun has quit IRC [14:26:26] *** het has quit IRC [14:26:27] *** tomww has quit IRC [14:26:27] *** Hydroxide has quit IRC [14:26:27] *** masta has quit IRC [14:26:28] *** timely_changelog has quit IRC [14:26:32] <trochej> tsoome: Build a package and commit sources and package script to svn repo [14:26:40] <tsoome> get some practice man [14:27:31] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** tsp has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** elektronkind has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** salmandr_ has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** toblun has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** het has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** Hydroxide has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** masta has joined #opensolaris [14:27:31] *** timely_changelog has joined #opensolaris [14:27:34] <tsoome> after few hours of hands on, you barely need any extra docs [14:27:35] <trochej> tsoome: And then, when we leave or get moved in corpo hierarchy, a new admin can use our tools without problem? [14:27:41] *** toblun has quit IRC [14:27:42] *** smtms has quit IRC [14:27:56] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [14:28:09] <tsoome> if the tool is written properly, why you need to specify you must use perl in this tool?;) [14:28:29] <tsoome> the whole point of unix is to pick up proper tool for proper job [14:28:42] <tsoome> if you cant do that, unix is not for you [14:28:53] *** stratism has left #opensolaris [14:28:53] <tsoome> so simple it is [14:29:21] *** smtms has quit IRC [14:29:26] <quasi> tsoome: mostly to give someone else the chance of maintaining it without learning $language [14:29:29] <tsoome> why use bloated perl if you can do same with ligth awk? [14:29:40] <tsoome> whats wrong with learning?! [14:29:48] *** medar_ has joined #opensolaris [14:29:53] <trochej> tsoome: Because most of previous tools are written in perl (why, I don't know) [14:29:55] <tsoome> you just making ppl lazy [14:30:13] <tsoome> if its writen in perl, its fine, no argument there [14:30:30] <trochej> tsoome: But then it is much sim plier for new admins to maintain some one hundred odd tolls in one language, than in several languages? [14:31:10] *** fredm has quit IRC [14:31:13] <tsoome> btw, in case you havent heard, perl has built on awk,sed, C, tr and tons of other utilities [14:31:31] <tsoome> if you cant understand awk, how can u code in perl? [14:31:32] <WickedWorking> administration of production/MC servers should depend on simple scripts that do the job [14:31:46] <WickedWorking> so when you can do it in awk/sed, why settle with perl? [14:32:36] <trochej> I rest my case, I am an admin here, I don't get paid for creating corporate stadards. [14:32:48] <trochej> tsoome: I can give you my Manager e-mail and you can evangelise him [14:32:54] <trochej> He will be more than heppy to ignore you [14:33:37] <trochej> And I can live with tools being written in one language [14:33:42] <WickedWorking> not to mention that scripts I write in ksh will run over all solaris environments, regardless the version [14:33:51] <WickedWorking> I am not sure if I can vouche for that in, let's say perl [14:34:02] <trochej> WickedWorking: Good for you, yay! [14:34:38] <trochej> WickedWorking: I'm sure that ksh has all the tons of modules that cpan has? [14:34:42] <Downix> Ok, almost time to start figuring out the jumpstart install method [14:35:05] <WickedWorking> trochej: I don't need the modules, I use the stuff that's shipped with the operating environment [14:35:23] <trochej> Okay :) [14:35:44] <trochej> I do, too [14:35:46] <trochej> I use perl [14:35:56] <trochej> It's *gasp* shipped with os :) [14:35:56] <jteo> why oh why ksh. [14:36:15] <holcomb> not the cpan modules [14:36:33] * holcomb ducks [14:36:44] <Downix> jteo: Because it's a crucible to burn all newcomers to see if they are true members of the faith.... 8) [14:36:50] <WickedWorking> jteo: because I write scripts that might be ran on Linux as well [14:36:51] * trochej quacks [14:36:59] <jteo> doesn't perl run on *everything*? [14:37:03] <trochej> WickedWorking: I do, too :) [14:37:08] <Downix> jteo: let me check [14:37:11] <WickedWorking> presuming they are the same version, sure [14:37:28] <WickedWorking> but things can get a bitch when you run perl5.8.0 on one, and 5.6.4 on another [14:37:34] <trochej> WickedWorking: I know Linux admins that purge every shell that is not bash [14:37:49] <WickedWorking> yes, and I have my opinion about that, which is irrelevant [14:37:50] <trochej> WickedWorking: I have more chance of getting my perl scripts run that you wioth your ksh [14:38:21] <trochej> WickedWorking: And, in my case, you opinion on perl is also irrelevant, because the corpo says that perl be on every machine here and scripts be working [14:38:24] <WickedWorking> if you say so [14:38:27] <trochej> Hip-Hip, hurray [14:38:28] <WickedWorking> listen [14:38:34] <WickedWorking> I dont have an opinion on perl [14:38:37] <WickedWorking> I use it myself [14:38:48] <WickedWorking> it's you who gets all defensive and all [14:38:59] <trochej> WickedWorking: So why you are so hard trying to convert me to ksh sxripting? [14:39:06] <trochej> Me?, naaah [14:39:15] <WickedWorking> I am not trying to conver you to anything [14:39:24] <WickedWorking> unless you're trying to become a cute brunette with cup c [14:39:26] <trochej> I never get defensive, I attack instantly :) [14:39:37] <trochej> WickedWorking: How do you know I'm not? :) [14:40:42] <WickedWorking> I dont [14:40:47] <PerterB> the odds are against it [14:41:00] <trochej> PerterB: I was always at odds with odds :) [14:41:32] <trochej> Drat, my nail [14:41:42] <trochej> okay, enough being silly, time to get some work done [14:41:43] * PerterB laughs [14:41:46] <trochej> But first [14:41:48] <trochej> COFFEE [14:41:53] * trochej wanders off [14:43:07] <WickedWorking> anyways [14:43:14] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:43:44] <WickedWorking> I just bought 4x64MB + a SM71 for my sparc station 20, for the fantastic amount of 50 euro [14:43:47] <WickedWorking> \o/ [14:44:15] <Tempt> argh [14:44:20] <Tempt> Blender crashing senselessly on Solaris. [14:44:25] <WickedWorking> TEMPT [14:44:31] <WickedWorking> I posted what you asked for :) [14:44:41] <Tempt> oh, good work! [14:44:45] <Tempt> Excellent [14:44:49] <WickedWorking> it's on the cow as well [14:45:11] <Tempt> nice, nice indeed [14:45:15] <Tempt> Will fire one up tomorrow. [14:45:21] <WickedWorking> goody [14:46:07] <Tempt> Now, if only I could work out why Blender is doing about 10 frames and then exiting with the cheery message "Alarm Clock" [14:47:28] <jmcp> dammit where did I put my pocketknife? [14:47:41] <Tempt> In the spine of your last victim? [14:49:01] <flyingparchment> alarm clock = SIGALRM [14:49:09] <Tempt> Yes, I figured as much [14:49:21] <Tempt> Doesn't explain why blender randomly quits a render job. [14:49:32] <Tempt> Since nothing *else* is sending a SIGALRM, so something internally must be broken [14:51:19] <leal> hello all.. [14:51:20] <trochej> Ok, I got coffe [14:52:06] <leal> which reason to the solaris 10 u4 installer does not prompt for "upgrade" on my system? [14:53:27] *** fredm has joined #opensolaris [14:53:46] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [14:53:54] <jmcp> Tempt: probably [14:55:04] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [14:55:08] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [14:55:09] *** vmlemon_ is now known as vmlemon [14:55:39] <leal> the fdisk partition is "solaris2" not "solaris", could be that? [14:56:12] *** medar has quit IRC [15:03:00] <trochej> God, I got broken dvd with sxce 75 :/ [15:04:12] *** lifeplayer has quit IRC [15:07:31] *** suman- has joined #opensolaris [15:10:12] *** suman- has quit IRC [15:12:38] <WickedWorking> Maaaaaaariiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I just met a girl named maaariiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:13:13] <WickedWorking> Maria is the coffee lady here, she has lots of fans [15:14:38] <trochej> :) [15:14:51] <trochej> She reminds me of the WestSide Storryyyyy [15:15:01] <trochej> By Carlos Santanaaaa [15:15:07] <WickedWorking> yes yes [15:16:13] <trochej> You think that rhymed man page is too much? [15:16:20] * trochej is silly today [15:17:08] <trochej> I can't rhyme a shit in English. [15:18:19] <Cyrille> sure you can, hit, fit, sit, maybe beat, neat, meat, lots of rhymes for that ;-) [15:19:54] <trochej> Cyrille: I wasn't looking for a rhyme, I was rather expressing my inability to rhyme properly :) [15:20:33] <Cyrille> I know :-) [15:20:49] <trochej> I know that you know :) [15:21:02] <trochej> I'm just looking for ways to stall me writing that friggin manpage :) [15:21:38] *** JSRJ has left #opensolaris [15:24:52] <timelyx> does Alan Burlison use irc? [15:25:04] <flyingparchment> that's alanbur, i guess. he's here sometimes [15:26:44] <timelyx> thanks [15:26:49] <timelyx> have a good weekend all [15:27:08] <trochej> bye [15:28:37] *** tinman2k has joined #opensolaris [15:33:34] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb [15:33:39] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [15:33:43] <leal> any known issue upgrading u3 for u4? [15:34:03] <leal> the installer just does not prompt for upgrade. [15:35:21] <trochej> FOr me it did [15:36:30] *** phimic has quit IRC [15:39:28] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [15:40:14] *** alrikvomfluss has joined #opensolaris [15:40:50] <alrikvomfluss> hi there [15:40:54] <leal> trochej: maybe the fdisk partition? is solaris2 not solaris [15:41:54] <alrikvomfluss> has anybody managed to get snv_75 to get installed on a nvidia chipset board? My sata- dvds aren't detected during installation :( [15:42:28] <trochej> leal: I don't know, really [15:42:47] <alrikvomfluss> i know it's was a bug til snv_74, but in the bugreport it is said to be fixed :( [15:44:06] <nico> jmcp: I've not been able to generate a crash dump with any of the commands you gave me :/ [15:44:26] <jmcp> bugger [15:44:59] <jmcp> did you set kmem_flags=0xf, btw? [15:45:09] <nico> humm.. nope [15:45:42] <jmcp> ok, please do that - it'll help with figuring out if there's a memory issue in arcmsr or anywhere else [15:46:17] <jmcp> the other thing to try is to repeat your test, and then run "reboot -dq" when you hit the "it's shat itself" point [15:46:44] <nico> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -k kmem_flags=0xf [15:46:55] <nico> it's the right grub line ? [15:46:59] <jmcp> nope [15:47:08] <trochej> Okay, this cifs service integration in b77 isn't the same as ability to mount smbfs shares? [15:47:11] <jmcp> in /etc/system add the line set kmem_flags=0xf [15:47:18] <jmcp> trochej: correct, as far as I can see [15:47:28] <nico> jmcp: ok [15:47:37] <trochej> I'd love it to work [15:47:37] <jmcp> nico: then make sure you rebuild the boot archive, using /sbin/bootadm update-archive [15:47:44] <nico> jmcp: the -k in grub stays ? [15:47:51] <trochej> The only thing that stops me from installing sxce on my comp here [15:48:48] <jmcp> nico: yeah [15:49:08] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [15:49:13] <nico> ok, update in progress [15:49:17] *** jafari has quit IRC [15:49:34] <nico> I've been amazed by boot time of opensolaris [15:49:39] <nico> 25 seconds [15:49:49] <nico> better than my linux box [15:50:40] <timsf> trochej, yeah, except cifs filesystems become 1st class citizens in solaris now. [15:50:47] <flyingparchment> nico: SMF allows multiple parts of the boot process to run in parallel [15:50:53] <jmcp> nico: the "-dq" options to /usr/sbin/reboot tell it to (a) leave a crash dump, and (b) don't kill off processes first [15:53:16] <nico> jmcp: ok, I'm about to crash it (sic) [15:53:47] <trochej> timsf: I'm happy too, but I need to be able to mount samba shares [15:53:48] <trochej> :/ [15:54:09] <jmcp> nico: good [15:54:11] <alrikvomfluss> there is a proprietary tool for mounting samba on solaris... [15:54:15] <timsf> Doesn't it do that too ? [15:54:33] <alrikvomfluss> just received a students-licence (it's for free) and it does work great [15:55:09] <trochej> timsf: It does? [15:55:25] <timsf> not sure - haven't read the headsup message in it's entirety yet :-) [15:55:32] <trochej> :) [15:55:42] <alrikvomfluss> that's the tool: [15:55:43] <alrikvomfluss> http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity/ [15:56:12] <trochej> I did, but as for me, it doesn't say anything that would suggest the ability [15:56:28] * timsf goes off to look at the putback notification [15:56:45] <alrikvomfluss> and that's the smaller (and free) version: http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity-light/index-de.html [16:01:23] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [16:02:22] <jmcp> nico: how's your testing? [16:06:04] *** joe-root has quit IRC [16:06:32] <Doc> 8086? Luxury! I once programmed an entire word processor in Logo! [16:06:36] <Doc> blah [16:08:17] <nico> jmcp: still uncrashed, but starts to become slow [16:08:36] <nico> I'd guess it needs a few Gb more [16:08:39] <jmcp> nico: ok, give it another few minutes then, until it's really starting to hurt [16:09:07] <nico> jmcp: yep I'll wait for it to be "dans les choux" as we say in france: ) [16:10:04] <jmcp> ooookay then [16:10:39] <PerterB> in the pastry? [16:10:40] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [16:11:08] <jmcp> mmmmmm French pastries mmmmmm [16:11:08] * jmcp goes for the drool bucket [16:11:35] <PerterB> oh, apparently choux are cabbages (weird metaphor) [16:12:00] <jmcp> dans means ? [16:12:15] <alrikvomfluss> inside i think [16:12:38] <PerterB> yes, "in" or "inside" [16:12:39] <jmcp> how bizarre [16:12:46] <jmcp> "in the cabbages" [16:12:50] <jmcp> hmmm [16:12:58] * jmcp doesn't pretend to understand [16:13:01] <trochej> I'd eat something unhealthy, fatty and spagetti now (okay, I know, it's not french :)) [16:13:03] <jmcp> nico: is that a slang term? [16:14:42] <trochej> bigos [16:14:44] <trochej> Uhm [16:14:51] <trochej> I think I'm starting to hallucinate [16:15:21] <elektronkind> jmcp: maybe it's like "in the weeds" or "beyond hope" [16:16:09] <jmcp> yeah, could be [16:16:11] <elektronkind> but not nearly as bad as "dans les escargot" [16:16:18] <Doc> hmm.. is it wrong to eat a whole packet of strepsils in one hit? [16:16:35] <jmcp> Doc: not if you're dissolving them in vodka or tequila first [16:16:49] <trochej> Strepsils? [16:17:04] *** ICU has quit IRC [16:17:22] <Doc> vodka might do a better job than strepsils [16:17:49] <jmcp> mush up some cloves with it - that'll anesthetise your throat *really* well [16:18:39] <nico> jmcp: not really slang, but there many language levels in french :) [16:18:45] <jmcp> of course [16:18:53] <Doc> that was the idea of the strepsils but they didnt work very well [16:19:16] <nico> elektronkind: never heard "dans les escargots" :) [16:19:18] <jmcp> nico: a colloquialism [16:19:27] <jmcp> Doc: drink more vodka then [16:19:50] <PerterB> dunno, I always seem to lose my voice after a night on the wodka so that seems counterproductive if he already has a bad throat [16:20:57] *** polk__ has quit IRC [16:21:47] <trochej> PerterB: You can always drink spirit [16:21:57] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [16:22:31] *** takahide has quit IRC [16:23:10] <trochej> ok [16:24:06] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [16:24:19] <trochej> I always loose my head after a vodka :) [16:24:28] <trochej> So a throat is the least problem [16:26:40] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [16:26:43] <nico> crash damned box @#@! [16:27:26] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:26] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:27] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:40] <trochej> C'mon, everybody! [16:27:41] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:42] <elektronkind> dans le fromage? [16:27:42] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:43] <trochej> Crash! [16:27:48] <trochej> @.@ [16:27:54] <jmcp> elektronkind: :-) [16:28:10] <jmcp> nico: did you try running "/usr/sbin/reboot -dq" yet? [16:28:11] <nico> elektronkind: haha :) [16:28:31] <nico> jmcp: dont't I wait for it to crash ? [16:28:51] <jmcp> nah, kick it in the balls [16:28:52] <nico> reboot -dq isn't from the debugger ? [16:28:55] <jmcp> nope [16:28:56] <jmcp> it's from userland [16:29:12] <jmcp> another option is to run echo "rootdir/W 0"|mdb -kw ; ls / [16:30:08] *** takahide has joined #opensolaris [16:30:11] *** Downix has quit IRC [16:35:06] <nico> looks like it hurts for it :) reboot launched [16:35:58] <Doc> hmm.. we should have put that into the solaris certification exams [16:36:07] <Doc> "which of the following can be used to reboot a system?" [16:36:08] <nico> jmcp: is it long to dump ? (4Gb of RAM) [16:36:17] <trochej> Doc: The Red Button [16:36:22] <nico> Doc: are you kidding ? [16:36:44] <Doc> a) init 4. b) echo "rootdir/W 0"|mdb -kw. c) touch /reboot [16:36:50] *** l1s has quit IRC [16:37:02] <jmcp> nico: how long has it taken so far? [16:37:18] <nico> a few minuts [16:37:28] <jmcp> are you at the console? [16:37:36] <nico> jmcp: ssh [16:37:44] <jmcp> oh, right [16:37:48] <nico> ho [16:37:50] <nico> it's ok [16:37:55] <jmcp> I'd be running a ping -s to the host [16:38:41] <nico> # ls /var/crash/solarisfiler [16:38:41] <nico> bounds unix.0 vmcore.0 [16:38:59] <jmcp> check the timestamp on it [16:39:24] <nico> 5 minutes ago [16:39:30] <nico> # du -sh /var/crash/solarisfiler/* [16:39:30] <nico> 1K /var/crash/solarisfiler/bounds [16:39:30] <nico> 1,3M /var/crash/solarisfiler/unix.0 [16:39:30] <nico> 867M /var/crash/solarisfiler/vmcore.0 [16:39:31] <nico> \o/ [16:39:40] *** BallChalk|zzZZ is now known as BallChalk|away [16:39:40] <jmcp> is the size on vmcore.0 increasing still? [16:39:56] <nico> jmcp: no [16:40:40] <jmcp> ok [16:40:43] *** loky has quit IRC [16:40:43] *** polk__ has quit IRC [16:40:43] *** comay has quit IRC [16:40:43] *** het has quit IRC [16:40:44] *** salmandr_ has quit IRC [16:40:44] *** timsf has quit IRC [16:40:45] *** tsp has quit IRC [16:40:45] *** tomww has quit IRC [16:40:46] *** elektronkind has quit IRC [16:40:46] *** Hydroxide has quit IRC [16:40:47] *** masta has quit IRC [16:40:47] *** timely_changelog has quit IRC [16:41:06] <jmcp> how's the process table looking? lots of processes still running? [16:41:48] <nico> jmcp: nope; few processes [16:42:08] <nico> # ps -ef | wc -l 35 [16:42:23] <jmcp> nico: last reboot |head -3 [16:42:28] <jmcp> does that show a recent timestamp? [16:42:53] <nico> yes, same as dumps [16:43:00] <nico> 16h34 both [16:43:06] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [16:43:07] <nico> (16h43 here) [16:43:49] <jmcp> ok [16:43:53] <jmcp> how many processes now? [16:44:22] <nico> 40 (i'm uploading dumps) [16:45:41] <nico> dumps does not have changed in size, is it ok ? [16:46:05] <jmcp> if "fuser -uf /var/crash/solarisfiler/vmcore.0" shows no processes, then that should be fine [16:46:16] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [16:46:30] *** bengtf_ has quit IRC [16:47:02] *** jhawk has quit IRC [16:47:03] <nico> no process [16:47:11] <nico> jmcp: then I upload [16:47:25] <jmcp> ok [16:47:27] <jmcp> go for it [16:47:33] <jmcp> but gzip the vmcore first [16:47:39] <nico> ho yes [16:47:59] <jmcp> where are you uploading to? [16:48:06] <nico> jmcp: query :) [16:48:32] <jmcp> ok, mail or pm me the location where I can get it when you're done [16:49:01] <cmihai> Use rzip, much better compression :D. 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[17:40:28] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [17:44:32] *** kszwed has quit IRC [17:44:33] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [17:46:57] *** bunker has quit IRC [17:47:35] *** Hydroxide has joined #opensolaris [17:49:01] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [17:49:19] *** het has joined #opensolaris [17:50:31] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris [17:50:37] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:50:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:50:40] *** WickedWorking has quit IRC [17:51:01] <leal> i like solaris, but somethings are just wrong with it... [17:51:26] <elektronkind> what bothers you? [17:51:52] <leal> i'm trying to upgrade a installation from u3 to u4 [17:52:41] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [17:55:11] <leal> live uprgrade just does not work: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=42865&tstart=0 [17:55:43] <leal> and the sol10u4 installer does not prompt for upgrade my system too. [17:56:24] <leal> now i have a machine that i just can't upgrade. that is really bad, don't you think? [17:56:35] *** k-os has joined #opensolaris [17:58:09] *** jmcp has quit IRC [18:00:19] *** LurkenLurker has joined #opensolaris [18:02:08] *** gdamor1 has joined #opensolaris [18:03:02] *** cmihai has quit IRC [18:04:22] *** salamanders has quit IRC [18:06:57] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [18:09:03] *** gdamore has quit IRC [18:10:21] <quasi> no, not really ;) [18:13:57] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [18:16:12] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:18:57] <niner> yay, i got it to boot. [18:19:06] * niner didn't need any help after all. [18:19:24] * niner goes back to swapping CDs. [18:21:37] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [18:23:40] *** cytoplasm has joined #opensolaris [18:26:44] <leal> quasi; yes, it's not bad, is my problem... [18:28:21] *** k-os_ has joined #opensolaris [18:28:34] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [18:28:39] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:28:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [18:31:30] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [18:32:37] *** WickedWorking has joined #opensolaris [18:34:02] *** morteng has joined #opensolaris [18:34:19] <morteng> hi [18:34:37] <oninoshiko> hello morteng [18:35:11] <morteng> Error in SCN/Cacao Account Login, please ? [18:35:44] *** jmcp_ has joined #opensolaris [18:37:06] <morteng> I simply tried to update my system i have fetched ant from blastwave but Administration software update is not available for opensolaris ? [18:38:29] <morteng> I have SunOS solaris-devx 5.11 snv_64a i86pc i386 i86pc , on another hard disk i have real solaris 10 [18:40:23] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [18:45:29] *** k-os has quit IRC [18:45:38] <morteng> smpatch analyze issues an error This system is currently unregistered and ... [18:46:51] *** smtms has quit IRC [18:47:02] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [18:47:27] <bda> morteng: You don't patch OpenSolaris boxes. You upgrade them. [18:47:36] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [18:47:42] <bda> To a new release. There is no patching. [18:47:52] <morteng> morten is googling [18:51:03] <morteng> OK I remember I read something about making a partition which would prepare for a live upgrade, [18:51:16] *** migi has quit IRC [18:51:47] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [18:52:00] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [18:52:14] *** jmcp has quit IRC [18:52:20] <oninoshiko> morteng: there was some discussion of that for those of us booting directly off of zfs (as the installer doesn't support boot-from-zfs) [18:52:45] *** WickedWorking has quit IRC [18:52:54] *** toblun has joined #opensolaris [18:55:17] <quasi> leal: I've got a box that doesn't want to LU because it has 2 disks that are similar enough that biosdev shows nothing [18:55:25] <morteng> interesting, I do intend to use brandZ zones and containers, but currently I have no need for zfs, however I found an article about SUNWlucfg. [18:55:34] *** timely_changelog has joined #opensolaris [18:55:37] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [18:55:38] *** smtms has quit IRC [18:55:55] <morteng> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006110701/ I think is the right one? [18:56:21] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [18:56:58] *** calumb has quit IRC [18:57:08] *** jafari has quit IRC [18:57:52] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [18:58:38] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:58:49] *** niner has left #opensolaris [18:59:38] *** smtms has quit IRC [19:00:34] <morteng> # pkgrm SUNWluu SUNWlur ... will it work for me? please? [19:01:21] *** mikefut has quit IRC [19:03:38] *** JWheeler has quit IRC [19:04:40] *** cydork has quit IRC [19:04:59] *** niner has joined #opensolaris [19:09:14] *** Chihan has quit IRC [19:10:24] <leal> i think if i try to lu to the same disc it will work... so, can i make a flash archive of the current installation, reformat the disc and restore the flash? [19:10:56] <leal> that will preserve all my configurations? [19:11:15] *** program has quit IRC [19:12:12] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [19:12:50] *** bengtf has quit IRC [19:12:53] <morteng> It could be a problem during a live upgrade if you are running out of disc space, IIRC I have never tried it but the installation manual said so. I'd like to know more about this before I start. [19:14:26] <quasi> leal: yeah, same disk lu works for me - avoiding the biosdev issue [19:15:20] <leal> quasi: but the procedure that i did describe, should work to preserver my data? [19:15:55] *** openfanss has quit IRC [19:17:10] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [19:17:40] *** smtms has quit IRC [19:17:45] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [19:18:15] *** sarah has joined #opensolaris [19:20:53] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [19:20:54] <leal> /var/sadm/pkg is almost 3Gb... is a database or something? 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[19:26:20] <Downix> ok [19:26:31] <Downix> going to try it, wanted to be sure someone was here should something go wrong [19:26:37] *** k-os_ has left #opensolaris [19:26:59] <quasi> something will go wrong ;) [19:27:08] <Downix> gee, thanks for the confidence [19:27:09] <Downix> 8) [19:28:07] *** smtms_ has quit IRC [19:28:12] <quasi> jumpstart tends to be a bit tricky [19:28:20] *** smtms_ has joined #opensolaris [19:28:47] <Downix> only method I could think of to get Solaris on my SPARCstation [19:28:51] <Downix> as it lacks a CD-ROM [19:31:09] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [19:32:20] <bda> Use JET. [19:32:25] <bda> It makes Jumpstart not annoying. [19:32:45] <Downix> JET? [19:32:50] <bda> Jumpstart Enterprise Toolkit. [19:33:01] <bda> It's a set of scripts that wrap Jumpstart. Deals with all the annoying parts for you. [19:33:14] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [19:33:16] <bda> Well, most of them, anyway. [19:33:19] <bda> Time for lunch& [19:33:22] <Downix> bda: will that work with a SPARC solaris install? [19:33:25] *** smtms_ has quit IRC [19:33:26] <bda> Yes. [19:33:40] *** smtms_ has joined #opensolaris [19:33:43] <Downix> hmm, ok [19:34:48] <Downix> **installs** [19:35:59] <SplasPood> can anyone point me to some good documentation on various iscsi target security options with Solaris 10? (basically CHAP, acls, stuff like that) [19:37:24] *** smtms_ has quit IRC [19:37:54] *** deather has quit IRC [19:41:05] <SplasPood> hrm ok well the sun docs I found cover CHAP well enough, but I thought there was some way to restrict targets by IP or other ACLish info other than via CHAP [19:41:31] *** smtms has quit IRC [19:43:26] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [19:45:28] <Fish> hello [19:47:51] <morteng> hi Fisch [19:47:54] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [19:48:37] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [19:52:43] *** gdamor1 is now known as gdamore [19:56:54] *** loky has quit IRC [19:59:05] *** MattAFC has quit IRC [19:59:13] *** Downix has quit IRC [19:59:31] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [19:59:47] <Downix> fun, JET keeps giving me a "status_not_zero" error [20:00:35] <axisys> what is recommended swap size on a x4200 with 8G ram? [20:01:32] <Downix> ok, exited the directory and it worked, but new error [20:01:37] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [20:01:50] <Downix> it cannot see the /cdrom/cdrom0/Solaris_9/Tools/Boot directory, even tho I see it plan as day [20:02:22] *** victori has quit IRC [20:02:30] <Downix> **boggle** [20:02:42] <Downix> what is it with Solaris not seeing directories? This is the 4th time I've run across this [20:02:58] <quasi> axisys: anywhere from 0 to nG - all depends on your app and how much spare disk you have [20:03:04] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [20:03:25] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [20:03:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [20:03:53] <DerJoern> axisys: http://wikis.sun.com/display/BigAdmin/BootDiskLayout [20:04:19] <axisys> quasi: how much is really necessary .. i have four zones.. one zone has oracle running .. i have about 300g free disk space available.. [20:04:49] <axisys> DerJoern: looking [20:05:42] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [20:06:01] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [20:06:38] <quasi> axisys: well, it is hard to tell - in normal use, I'd never want to swap, but I prefer having a bit of spare room [20:07:33] *** deather_ is now known as deather [20:07:42] <quasi> axisys: whether it'd be the 4G sun recommends, or the same size as memory or even more has got to be a guess based on the risk of something leaking like a sieve [20:07:53] <axisys> quasi: correct.. my system is not swapping.. but I created a ticket w/ Sun to resolve an java app server install issue... he thinks I need to increase the swap size to 4G [20:08:13] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [20:08:26] <axisys> i cannot seem to install java app server or run explorer unless I put a truss infront of it... [20:08:27] * logic_ is getting tired of biosdev :( [20:08:58] <axisys> truss -leap -f explorer is the only way I could run explorer OR it hangs [20:08:59] <logic_> i am trying to install to a new partition with lucreate, but keep failing.. biosdev is foobar [20:09:02] <quasi> axisys: try adding a file as swap for a temporary measure and see if it works [20:09:12] *** timsf has quit IRC [20:09:15] <axisys> quasi: excellent idea! [20:10:42] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [20:15:09] <axisys> i knew his theroy is not right.. extra swap is not helping.. still hung [20:15:36] <axisys> time to escalate it [20:16:00] <axisys> Sun guy gave a articlet from 2001 to prove his point.. :-) [20:16:23] <axisys> Doc ID: 21944 [20:21:39] *** logic_ has quit IRC [20:22:50] *** johnniez has quit IRC [20:24:48] *** binarycrusader has joined #opensolaris [20:25:37] <SplasPood> hrm.. [20:25:38] <SplasPood> root@thumper1 # iscsitadm modify admin -C [20:25:38] <SplasPood> Enter secret: [20:25:38] <SplasPood> Re-enter secret: [20:25:38] <SplasPood> Segmentation Fault (core dumped) [20:25:38] <SplasPood> root@thumper1 # [20:26:38] <SplasPood> anyone ever seen that? [20:26:41] <SplasPood> U4 Sol10 [20:27:24] <quasi> SplasPood: mdb core and ::status [20:28:52] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [20:28:53] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [20:29:01] <SplasPood> debugging core file of iscsitadm (32-bit) from thumper1 [20:29:02] <SplasPood> file: /usr/sbin/iscsitadm [20:29:02] <SplasPood> initial argv: iscsitadm modify admin -C [20:29:02] <SplasPood> threading model: multi-threaded [20:29:03] <SplasPood> status: process terminated by SIGSEGV (Segmentation Fault) [20:29:04] <SplasPood> not much info [20:31:50] <SplasPood> any other suggestions? [20:33:14] <Fuzzy> check your memory for errors? [20:33:33] <SplasPood> heh I guess thats a possibility, although I haven't seen any other indications of problems... [20:33:41] <Fuzzy> ok [20:33:44] *** yippi has quit IRC [20:34:01] <SplasPood> Fuzzy: how does one best go about that? [20:34:08] <Fuzzy> memtest [20:34:11] <Fuzzy> i would assume [20:34:41] <Fuzzy> can anyone give me pointers on getting solaris texted based root console to scroll correctly? [20:34:58] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [20:35:55] *** RealWickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [20:37:24] <quasi> SplasPood: in mdb, you could also try $r and $c [20:38:31] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [20:40:00] <Fuzzy> someone once showed me the page on the work around for cadp160 with xen in open solaris, i went looking for the page last night and couldn't find it, does someone have it book marked and could help out with the link? [20:40:18] <SplasPood> hrm well $r is fairly beyond me.. (unfortunately) ... $c seems to imply it died doing strncpy as called by something in libiscsitgt.so (tgt_buf_add_tag) [20:42:07] *** akolb has joined #opensolaris [20:44:14] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [20:44:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [20:47:29] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris [20:52:59] <quasi> SplasPood: If you have a service contract, now might be a good time to open a case with sun ;) [20:56:44] <trochej> http://www.thewitcher.com/ [20:56:47] <trochej> Nice intro [20:56:58] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [20:57:01] <trochej> But what to say, when director was once Oscar nominated? [20:57:08] <SplasPood> quasi: on the phone [20:57:39] *** Downix has quit IRC [20:58:41] <SplasPood> quasi: with them ;) [21:00:10] <quasi> SplasPood: :) [21:02:54] <postwait> quasi: you know if Apache event MPM and mod_proxy like each other? [21:04:08] <quasi> postwait: that's a good question - I can't recall any complaints about it with mod_proxy - but chipig would be the real expert [21:05:22] <quasi> postwait: I do seem to recall it getting fixes not too long ago, but I don't recall if it made it back from trunk or not [21:05:38] <quasi> the real problem still being ssl [21:05:56] <postwait> right [21:06:26] *** _Hunger- is now known as Hunger- [21:06:43] *** rockets has joined #opensolaris [21:12:34] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [21:13:00] *** FBdev has joined #opensolaris [21:14:04] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [21:16:22] <akolb> cd [21:16:27] <akolb> ion [21:16:38] <akolb> iiii [21:17:19] <akolb> aaaaaqaaaaaa!ion& [21:17:35] *** akolb has quit IRC [21:19:24] *** locy has joined #opensolaris [21:20:38] <oninoshiko> o.0? what was that about? [21:21:23] <Fuzzy> stuck keys> [21:22:44] <SplasPood> ok [21:22:51] <SplasPood> and this is why I get a lil disturbed about solaris [21:23:06] <oninoshiko> why is that? [21:23:07] <SplasPood> quasi: error was.. sun docs state when doing iscsitadm modify admin -C to set the CHAP secret [21:23:12] <SplasPood> the password is 12 - 16 chars [21:23:19] <SplasPood> 16 chars causes a seg fault [21:23:32] <SplasPood> in strncpy [21:23:56] <quasi> SplasPood: so we were on the right track [21:24:39] <quasi> SplasPood: there's a sun coder who needs to get a bit of detention ;) [21:24:48] *** tinman2k has quit IRC [21:25:33] <trochej> :) [21:27:05] *** alanc has quit IRC [21:27:06] <SplasPood> quasi: I mean this is just fuckin disturbing [21:28:35] <trochej> Fucking disturbing is that polish keyboard mapping is broken in input methods AGAIN [21:28:38] <trochej> :/ [21:28:46] <trochej> I mean, it was right [21:28:50] <trochej> Already [21:28:55] <SplasPood> quasi: like, easy workaround.. but this is the 2nd disturbing bug I've dealt with in U4 [21:28:56] <trochej> b 62 was just right [21:29:41] <quasi> trochej: us keyboards layout is so much more practical for shell and coding anyways [21:30:42] <trochej> quasi: Yeah, I know, but still, I need polish signs to write docs [21:30:52] <trochej> And to friggin translate docs [21:31:02] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [21:31:29] <trochej> Hmm [21:32:11] <quasi> I remember once I copied a bit too much of an x config file and got .de keyboard mapping - that was pretty darn annoying as well ;) [21:32:24] <trochej> Khe [21:32:32] <trochej> I did clean install [21:32:38] <trochej> Every sxceI do [21:32:58] <trochej> mapping become a little bit broken in b 70, maybe 71 [21:33:03] <trochej> Not it simply doesn't work [21:33:09] <quasi> it's very very close to dk, but they swap x and y - which gave me no end of wonder trying to type my password ;) [21:33:10] <trochej> s/Not/Now/ [21:33:14] *** pizdec_ is now known as pizdec [21:33:25] <trochej> quasi: Yeah, I know that pain [21:33:39] <trochej> Actually, isn't .de swapping z with y? [21:33:45] <quasi> oh yeah [21:33:48] <trochej> In regards to .us [21:34:11] <quasi> .fr is even worse [21:34:15] <trochej> Yeah, still no sound and ethernet nic [21:34:39] <trochej> But no wonder here [21:35:50] <trochej> Just a thouight [21:35:53] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [21:36:15] <trochej> Can I somehow trace whats happening within kernel when inserting a modules? With DTrace, maybe? [21:36:43] *** loky has quit IRC [21:42:45] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [21:49:11] <postwait> yes [21:54:59] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [21:56:19] *** voonte has joined #opensolaris [21:58:23] *** voonte has quit IRC [21:58:28] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [22:00:29] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris [22:00:36] *** postwait has quit IRC [22:00:36] <ceri> Evening all. Looking to buy an AM2 socket motherboard for running SXCE; any chipsets to avoid (looks at nforce...)? [22:01:44] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [22:01:51] *** postwait has quit IRC [22:02:14] <quasi> ceri: it usually pays to check the hcl and search through opensolaris.org [22:02:38] *** Gropi has quit IRC [22:02:40] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [22:02:51] *** postwait has quit IRC [22:02:56] <quasi> ceri: most of the nvidia ones seem to have some sort of support [22:03:20] *** srirama has quit IRC [22:03:47] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [22:04:12] *** postwait has quit IRC [22:04:12] <ceri> quasi: Interesting, I had assumed the opposite wrt nvidia. I've poked around the HCL but I know way more about SPARC than x86. [22:05:01] * ceri finds buying PC hardware confusing [22:06:10] <quasi> ceri: http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/03/22/T22_32_20/index.html is the mobo I bought a while back and it's been pretty good - since then I've bought an asus pundit sff which had issues using the built in nic until 10 mins ago when I got up to build 75 [22:06:10] <ceri> quasi: thanks, btw :) [22:06:19] <quasi> ceri: it is a jungle [22:06:45] <quasi> ceri: these days intel hw seems to be getting decent support as well [22:07:02] <oninoshiko> im having decent luck with it. [22:08:05] <quasi> oninoshiko: I'm still trying to decide between intel c2d or amd-x2-be as a replacement for my home server [22:08:15] <ceri> In fact, I'd much prefer to buy another one of the motherboard that died, but that's proving impossible. [22:08:30] <quasi> oninoshiko: but amd seems to be far cheaper [22:08:39] <ceri> See, I have no idea what quasi just said. [22:08:48] <quasi> ceri: yeah, things go off market fast [22:09:06] <ceri> Means I need new CPU and RAM too, grr. [22:09:28] <ceri> Good excuse to get something xVM capable though [22:09:31] <quasi> ceri: just being tired and not typing core 2 duo and amd x2 BE (which is 45W) [22:09:50] <ceri> lol, *them* I've heard of :) [22:09:52] <oninoshiko> it might be, but I'm not the one buying it, and the one buying it say "intel" and i say "ok, can i have a pay check now?" [22:09:58] *** kadath has quit IRC [22:10:06] *** srirama has joined #opensolaris [22:10:13] <quasi> oh yeah, xVM - I knew there was a reson I decided to go b75 [22:10:18] <g4lt-mordant> I can haz paychek? [22:10:25] * oninoshiko giggles [22:10:30] <quasi> oninoshiko: ;=) [22:10:54] <quasi> g4lt-mordant: you know you can't [22:12:03] <g4lt-mordant> quasi, oh, no, they'll give me a paycheck, it just won't be owrth the e-paper it's printed on [22:12:19] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [22:12:27] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [22:12:28] <ceri> Ooh, nested comments on opensolaris.org/os. END HIDE indeed. [22:12:37] <quasi> g4lt-mordant: a bit like me then - getting a bill for ip and coffee each month [22:13:51] * quasi looks around at the empty office and wonders what the hell he is doing at the office on a friday night after 10 [22:14:24] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC [22:14:48] <ceri> quasi: that's a good question. [22:15:45] <oninoshiko> not having a life? [22:15:53] <oninoshiko> chatting with me on IRC? [22:15:56] <quasi> possibly [22:15:58] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [22:16:16] * oninoshiko notes that those two are one and the same :p [22:16:51] <quasi> at this point I barely have a pulse [22:18:16] <ceri> Gah, nothing comes with serial ports any more either... [22:18:19] *** niner has quit IRC [22:18:29] <oninoshiko> im experencing that problem here too [22:18:38] <oninoshiko> total pain in my rear [22:18:38] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [22:19:02] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [22:19:39] <ceri> Yep; even a problem on the T2000. [22:20:23] <quasi> t2k has serial console [22:21:03] <ceri> yep, but it doesn't have a port spare to daisychain consoles across a rack when your terminal server dies. [22:21:14] <ceri> Needed that about 3 weeks ago [22:21:39] <quasi> ceri: which is why you use the alom anyway [22:22:05] <ceri> Not where I work; that would require the ability to connect things to the management network [22:22:12] <ceri> Which would require a management network [22:22:13] <leal> hello, i could lu the server (almost), but now, i need to install grub (boot sector) on the other disc.. [22:23:26] <quasi> ceri: but of course - don't we all have those? ;) [22:23:46] <ceri> I think ours got misplaced... [22:24:09] <quasi> ceri: no fun [22:24:13] <oninoshiko> god i hate MSIE [22:24:48] <ceri> quasi: too true. [22:25:03] <oninoshiko> i mean i swear, the have found the anti-Raskin to design their interface -.- [22:25:29] <ceri> oninoshiko: is that 7? [22:25:36] <oninoshiko> yes [22:25:47] <ceri> Have managed not to see that yet [22:26:16] <oninoshiko> save yourself some trouble, gouge out your eyes now [22:26:19] <ceri> lol [22:29:20] *** iamscared has joined #opensolaris [22:30:39] * ceri has a suspicion he is going to need a new PSU as well [22:31:46] <oninoshiko> there is a distinct probability... how old is your machine? [22:32:09] <ceri> Think it's 3 years old. I have a socket 754 motherboard that died. [22:32:39] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [22:33:25] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [22:34:11] *** cmihai has quit IRC [22:34:53] *** RealWickedWicky is now known as WickedWicky [22:35:19] <ceri> Old mobo was this one: http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=235&l1=3&l2=14&l3=0 [22:35:31] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [22:35:54] <WickedWicky> it's cmihai [22:36:01] <cmihai> Oh,rly? :-) [22:36:11] <WickedWicky> word has it's true [22:37:47] <oninoshiko> don't believe anything you hear (and only half of what you see) [22:38:08] <WickedWicky> I already see only half [22:38:36] <WickedWicky> that's not a joke btw :P [22:38:41] <WickedWicky> I can't see in depth [22:38:42] <oninoshiko> than you only get to believe one quarter! [22:39:08] <ceri> my mother in law has that; she drives though [22:39:11] <WickedWicky> well it would account for my sceptism and such :P [22:39:19] <oninoshiko> lol [22:39:21] <ceri> damned scary [22:39:26] <WickedWicky> I can drive, but it's tiring, I can use both eyes but only one at a time [22:39:41] * WickedWicky is a cluster nutcase [22:39:48] <ceri> !! [22:40:11] *** trede has joined #opensolaris [22:40:53] <WickedWicky> something with my eye muscles, one of the two eyes loses focus when I am tired and such, and turns out to the outer corner [22:41:22] <sommerfeld> your brain's cluster interconnect having trouble? [22:41:27] <WickedWicky> yes [22:42:06] <WickedWicky> well basicly, I was goth even before being born and tried to kill myself by twitching this thing that connects you with your mother, as a baby, around my neck, made me dark blue and oxygen deprived [22:42:17] <WickedWicky> word around the campfire is that this is a bad thing [22:42:18] <WickedWicky> :P [22:43:00] <WickedWicky> in short: I was born sufficating, which doctors say leads to this eye thingy weirdness + ADHD [22:43:14] <WickedWicky> add being dutch to that, and you get me [22:43:34] <WickedWicky> and no sommerfeld, I tried there are no Sun Alert patches for that [22:43:47] <WickedWicky> would be kinda cool though, patchadd -M . [22:43:50] <WickedWicky> and you're fixed [22:44:06] * oninoshiko just randomly has seizures. [22:44:15] <WickedWicky> that's bad [22:44:44] <oninoshiko> it doesn't happen often... so its handled with medication [22:45:02] <sommerfeld> sounds more like something that would be the subject of an FCO. You probably would have been exchanged for an undamaged baby :-P [22:45:45] <oninoshiko> which makes me sleepy, so I have to counteract the side-effect with copious amounts of caffeine. [22:46:07] <oninoshiko> GOOD LUCK LIVER!! [22:47:02] <trede> evening [22:47:34] <leal> do you know how to install solaris grub on another disc? [22:47:45] <leal> fdisk -b something? [22:48:03] <nico> leal: grub-install [22:48:07] <sommerfeld> oninoshiko: a clarinetist in an orchestra I played in had that problem -- once had a seizure in the middle of a rehearsal and fell off her chair right in front of me. on my way out of rehearsal she was being checked out by EMT's and I think being lectured by them .. [22:48:14] <trede> whats the state on chipset drivers from amd/intel , we need to redo linux drivers or does the manufactures supply solaris verions ? [22:48:27] <sommerfeld> installgrub [22:49:02] <leal> sommerfeld: what about that old way "fdisk -b mboot..."? [22:49:04] *** wnorrix_ has joined #opensolaris [22:49:05] <sommerfeld> trede: there's a mixture. [22:49:46] <sommerfeld> leal: that only installs the MBR and not the rest of grub [22:49:57] <oninoshiko> yes... I've woken up to EMT's often enough that i pretty much know whats going on anymore... kinda annoys then when you refuse service though [22:50:06] <trede> somerfeld: whats the future looking like ?, any deal with amd/intel for drivers or ? [22:50:29] <sommerfeld> sun works closely with both amd and intel for platform support. [22:50:52] <trede> ah. thats good .thanks. [22:50:58] <leal> sommerfeld: i could lu u3 to u4, but is a HBA disc, so i can have just one disc in BIOS boot... so, the menu installed by lu is not working... [22:51:27] <leal> i think if i install the boot on the second disc, and change the BIOS boot disc, should work... what do you think? [22:52:32] <sommerfeld> requires some care but sounds plausible. have another way to boot handy just in case [22:53:02] <oninoshiko> are there any instructions for setting up a terminal that do you require the use of the SMC GUI? [22:53:38] <leal> the u3 is booting fine... but the menu options of that disc is pointing to a disc that is not acessible. [22:53:50] <morteng> I have installed on my HD first and only OpenSolaris, Without any risk, can I attempt to install as second OS win XP? contrary to the instructions. [22:54:11] <WickedWicky> you'll lose grub [22:54:19] <binarycrusader> That you will. [22:54:22] <binarycrusader> You can reinstall grub later though. [22:54:31] <binarycrusader> Though that's a little tricky. [22:54:34] <leal> i need to use p0 to install grub right? [22:55:01] <WickedWicky> in most cases, yes [22:55:08] <morteng> then I woun't do it. I only need it for demonstration purposes, I can go for an USB Install instead. [22:55:35] <oninoshiko> i thought is was s0 [22:56:13] *** wnorrix has quit IRC [22:56:15] <WickedWicky> grub goes on a bootable partition as far as I know [22:56:33] <WickedWicky> p0 will put it on MBR, if I understand the working correctly [22:56:51] <morteng> that could help to copy grup to USB and boot from USB. [22:57:22] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [22:57:30] <morteng> dd if=grub of=usb or something? [22:57:58] <leal> WickedWicky: so i need put grub on s0? [22:58:22] <WickedWicky> hold on [22:58:46] <oninoshiko> morteng: that would not do it at all [22:59:28] <morteng> ok oninoshiko [23:00:34] <oninoshiko> see if you can use grub-install [23:01:11] <morteng> IIRC sun has a closer cooperation with microsoft which ensures more software compatibility. [23:01:13] <WickedWicky> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=142337 [23:02:00] <WickedWicky> apparently just running /sbin/installgrub should do it [23:02:26] <leal> WickedWicky: are you talking to me? [23:03:10] <WickedWicky> both you and morteng [23:03:16] <morteng> I have bookmarked it. [23:03:33] <WickedWicky> morteng can use this URL to restore grub after installing XP [23:03:42] <WickedWicky> you, leal, should be able to install grub on the MBR [23:04:02] <leal> ok, so, using p0, right? [23:04:06] <morteng> I have a similar entry on my blog but that only discusses multiple installations of 32 bit and 64 bit debian. [23:04:16] <WickedWicky> just issueing /sbin/installgrub should do it, I believe [23:04:21] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [23:04:59] <leal> no because i need to install it on another disc. just installgrub should install grub on the current disc... [23:05:04] <ceri> I'm off, thanks for your help, see you again [23:05:23] <morteng> http://lordbyte-whitfield.blog.de/2007/07/03/why_debian_what_have_i_done_to_deserve_t~2565198 only debian and grub gparted relevant. [23:05:30] *** ceri has quit IRC [23:05:49] <leal> something like: /sbin/installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/dsk/c0d0s0 [23:05:52] <leal> or p0.. [23:05:59] <WickedWicky> ah, yes, use s0 [23:06:17] *** bondolo has quit IRC [23:06:56] *** yippi has quit IRC [23:07:07] <WickedWicky> however, just putting grub there won't make you boot from that disk [23:07:24] <WickedWicky> your BIOS need to be told to boot from that disk as well [23:09:25] <leal> i know, it's done, let's see if it works. :)) [23:09:47] * quasi chuckles - "We don't play transactional memory pioneers on TV, we just are them in real life." [23:10:06] *** tokyoeye has joined #opensolaris [23:10:32] <morteng> external USB Hard disks or firewire HD are inexpensive, I prefer to save my precious sunOS 4GB USB flash could be a little bit slow. [23:16:29] *** logic_ has quit IRC [23:17:11] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [23:18:29] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:18:30] <gdamore> anyone from website around? [23:18:43] *** alrikvomfluss has left #opensolaris [23:18:44] <wesolows> I was born there but haven't been back in ages [23:18:45] <gdamore> it looks like updating SSH keys is still as busted as ever.... [23:19:54] <oninoshiko> quasi: where did you see that? [23:20:08] <SplasPood> has anyone here setup iSCSI+CHAP between a solaris target (U4) and a RHEL5 initiator? [23:20:21] <quasi> oninoshiko: http://research.sun.com/scalable/ [23:20:46] *** locy has quit IRC [23:22:07] <oninoshiko> cute :) [23:24:53] <SplasPood> or even more specific.. anyone know how to remove an acl from a target using iscsitadm.. the man page is either incorrect or confusing [23:25:20] <SplasPood> nevermind [23:25:27] <SplasPood> I'm just incorrect/confusing :P [23:27:24] *** dprice has joined #opensolaris [23:30:22] *** leal has quit IRC [23:30:36] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [23:30:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [23:31:41] *** trede has quit IRC [23:32:30] <morteng> I will be out of office untill tomorrow morning. 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