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[01:02:44] <sommerfeld> axisys_: multiple rsyncs in parallel (on non-overlapping subtrees) is sometimes faster.
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[01:34:17] <sommerfeld> and x86 suspend-to-RAM lands in nevada
[01:34:35] <jbk> what about resume? :)
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[01:37:25] <auto359> hi all, just downloaded "solaris developer edition dvd", reading the instructions to reassemble the 3 x .zips on unix/linux, am confused. do i have to unzip the .zips then concatenate or just "cat .zip .zip .zip > solaris-dvd.iso" ?
[01:38:19] <h3sp4wn> auto359: unzip them first
[01:38:30] <auto359> ah k, thanks
[01:38:39] <h3sp4wn> auto359: (the sun download manager should do it for you anyway)
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[01:39:43] <auto359> haha, nope i am using Debian 64Bit and i have had a monster of a time trying to get JRE to play nice ... that's why i am moving to a fully integrated solaris/java o/s ... had enough of hacking software just to work
[01:40:22] <oninoshiko> solaris is nice in that it actually treats 64 bit users as first-class citizens
[01:40:54] <auto359> that would be a welcome change, none of the linuxes that i have tried work fully 64bit out of the box
[01:42:09] <jbk> it's strange that that various linux distros seems to have such a problem with 64-bit systems
[01:42:39] <oninoshiko> gentoo is about the best, AFAIK... and well... its gentoo
[01:42:44] <flyingparchment> linux has a really shitty solution to 64-bit
[01:42:51] <flyingparchment> they treat 64-bit as a completely separate platform
[01:42:58] <oninoshiko> on the linux front
[01:43:02] <jbk> even when solaris 2.7 came out (which was the first to support 64bit binaries), i cannot even recally any issues even then
[01:43:31] <auto359> they do, you wouldn't believe the hassle it is to get firefox plugin for java sorted on debian 64bit, is mungeware
[01:43:35] <jbk> and that was quite a long time ago..
[01:44:05] <oninoshiko> advantage of using a product for which its developer has to support by contract
[01:44:15] <auto359> finally, a mature o/s ... why i didn't look at this before
[01:44:40] <auto359> indeed, i love the linux community but i need serious software now
[01:45:02] <oninoshiko> i just wish we had GL-accelerated ATi drivers
[01:45:11] <jbk> but i guess linux has always been busy reimplementing (sometimes multiple times) old (sometimes decades old) features found elsewhere
[01:45:12] <flyingparchment> hahhah, linux community
[01:45:15] <flyingparchment> that's a good joke
[01:45:22] <jbk> well that might change now that the specs are open
[01:45:45] <aka_druid> auto359, well, to be fair you chose the worst implementation of 64 bit linux... give a try with suse another time
[01:45:45] <rennj> ati flgrx drivers are opensourced now
[01:45:53] <auto359> hmm, is pretty fragmented, only suse/debian/gentoo seem to be really focussed
[01:46:36] <auto359> aka_druid: i did read that it does work out of the box on most stuff, maybe one day, can't stand the "ugly vomit lizard" tho' 8-)
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[01:47:40] <aka_druid> suse people did the initial port of linux stuff to 64bits, sponsored by amd, they know how to make the stuff correctly... I just wonder why the other distros hasnt imitated them
[01:48:32] <auto359> aren't suse more commercial than the other linux communities, being supported by a real company, so to speak?
[01:48:37] <Triskelios> rennj: really? that wasn't true last week. ATI had only released some specs for their newer chipsets
[01:48:40] <oninoshiko> rennj: have they been made to work in OS yet?
[01:49:19] <aka_druid> imho, there are no more commercial grade linux distros for free
[01:49:22] <jbk> though for opensolaris, one of the more interesting challenges will be how to market its advantages without coming across poorly
[01:49:34] <aka_druid> there are the free versions, that works ok for home, a bit of isntability... and the paid versions
[01:49:39] <jbk> or coming across as 'linux sux'
[01:50:12] <oninoshiko> CentOS is as good as RH (for what thats worth *rolls eyes*)
[01:50:19] <jbk> heh
[01:50:24] <jbk> rh has 64-bit problems too
[01:50:24] <aka_druid> jbk, I really would like to have solaris spreading a bit, and see some competition with linux, that would make both better
[01:50:55] <rennj> well no flash 64bit on any of them i think
[01:51:06] <jbk> i think that by the time indiana is released, the only real gap will be mindshare/fashion
[01:51:07] <rennj> got to do 32lib and 32binary madness
[01:51:20] <jbk> between opensolaris and linux
[01:51:29] <aka_druid> rennj, no, nowdays there is a plugiwrapper to use with 64 bits browser
[01:51:46] * oninoshiko really cares little about what anyone else uses...
[01:51:47] <rennj> yeah just like vmplayer2 uses now
[01:51:55] <jbk> of course, why do you need a 64-bit browser anyway?
[01:52:10] <rennj> comes with its on set of libs and vmplayer just call the gtk wrapper
[01:52:13] <aka_druid> oninoshiko, I care, the more people use it, the less will be the job to find compatible hardware
[01:52:18] <jbk> i mean, firefox isn't _that_ bad (yet)
[01:52:34] <auto359> so as a solaris newb but used linux for 5 years, best place to start for tips would be opensolaris site and the SDN?
[01:52:46] <rennj> system libcrypto doesnt get used but vmplayer/vmwares compiled version used...example
[01:52:58] <rennj> docs.sun.com
[01:53:03] <rennj> solaris admin collection
[01:53:05] <aka_druid> auto359, I would say google and docs.sun.com
[01:53:06] <oninoshiko> just jump in... the differences arnt that bad
[01:53:11] <rennj> openboot sparc hardware
[01:53:14] <rennj> openboot docs
[01:53:23] <auto359> aka_druid: i couldn't get the ndiswrapper to work for firefox on 64amd debian across 3 seperate debian versions
[01:53:29] <jbk> the biggest 'hurdle' is that the default shell environment is ancient
[01:53:39] <aka_druid> auto359, again: the problem is debian
[01:53:40] <jbk> but very easy to work around that until it's fixed (which is being looked at)
[01:53:40] <rennj> docs.sun.com docs.hp.com techpubs.sgi.com
[01:53:48] <rennj> fbsd handbook,
[01:53:53] <rennj> each os has its places
[01:54:06] <auto359> thanks for the tips guys
[01:54:11] <jbk> ksh93, bash, and zsh are all there
[01:54:12] <aka_druid> they are trying to build pure 64 bits version, which will not work... They should use the bi-arch approach, like in suse
[01:54:15] <oninoshiko> and it easily fixed by installing bash
[01:54:29] <rennj> fatbinaries like apple nextstep do
[01:54:37] <rennj> multiple arch in one binary
[01:54:49] <rennj> or jvm bytecode ordering
[01:54:50] <aka_druid> the initial glitches you will have all you need to do is google adding the words "solaris 10"
[01:54:55] <rennj> standards are nice
[01:54:58] <jbk> and setting your path to /usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sfw/bin goes a long way towards making things less painful
[01:55:16] <aka_druid> "create user solaris 10", "basic firewall solaris 10" "init scripts solaris 10" etc
[01:55:40] <auto359> jbk: i was reading some howtos on the bigadmin last night, about compiling solaris 10 from scratch ... set paths for sure
[01:55:47] <jbk> oh and PAGER="/usr/bin/less -s"
[01:55:49] <aka_druid> and check opensolaris.org for infos such as HCL
[01:55:55] <jbk> but that one's a bit more 'controversial' :)
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[01:56:46] <aka_druid> peeps, since you are awake, does Recommended.tar.bz2 is supposed to be available for free?
[01:57:01] <rennj> that patch cluster?
[01:57:07] <aka_druid> yeah, the patch cluster
[01:57:14] <jbk> that's for s10, not opensolaris
[01:57:36] <aka_druid> ah well... but I asked in #solaris already heh
[01:58:08] <auto359> how many of you guys run sun hardware?
[01:58:26] <rennj> heh
[01:58:40] <rennj> ive run lots of sun hardware over the years
[01:58:45] <rennj> before sparc chip
[01:58:51] <rennj> motorala junk
[01:58:52] <oninoshiko> i have in the past, but not presently
[01:58:53] <jbk> i've done it for work for 10 years or so
[01:58:54] <auto359> since them candyass apple things run an intel chipset, i might buy one and solaris it up, if that is doable
[01:58:54] <rennj> sun 3 stuff
[01:59:02] * aka_druid installed a sun blade 100 this week
[01:59:09] <jbk> ouch
[01:59:15] <jbk> old + slow :)
[01:59:19] <aka_druid> yeah
[01:59:32] <jbk> though probably alright w/ 512mb+ of ram
[01:59:36] <rennj> heh
[01:59:36] <auto359> i was looking at buying a sun 40 series desktop for me to develop on, not sure yet, the new apple is fancy as
[01:59:40] <aka_druid> jbk, but wasnt so painful as I was expecting
[01:59:50] <aka_druid> sun ultra 40?
[02:00:03] <aka_druid> go x86 heh
[02:00:08] <auto359> aka_druid: yes
[02:00:18] <rennj> i just run in it vmplayer2
[02:00:28] <aka_druid> no no, dude, the simple fact you mentioned that made my life slower
[02:00:29] <rennj> i been running solaris in vmware since like 8
[02:00:31] <rennj> at home
[02:00:37] <rennj> work is on bare metal
[02:00:56] <rennj> dom,ldoms with xen/xVM will be nice
[02:01:11] <aka_druid> seriously, its annoying slow... it will take hours to install
[02:01:13] <rennj> plus you will have containers zones zfs and dtrace to
[02:01:20] <auto359> i was running a few different o/s using vmware on debian, which was good, solaris has a vmware-server package?
[02:01:34] <rennj> vmware-tools for solaris?
[02:01:44] <rennj> or do you mean sun x64 hardware
[02:01:50] <rennj> yes it supports vmware esx
[02:01:50] <aka_druid> I heard its almost done, the vmware-tools
[02:02:15] <auto359> not the tools, i don't use them, just the vmware-server, esx whatever
[02:02:20] <rennj> vmware-tools for solaris is availble now
[02:02:21] <auto359> rennj: good
[02:02:29] <rennj> well for older versions anyway
[02:02:34] <aka_druid> I dunno if theres version that runs in solaris host
[02:02:44] <rennj> hmmm i think so
[02:02:55] <rennj> see vmplayer doesnt come with the tools iso's
[02:02:59] <rennj> vmware server does
[02:03:04] <rennj> workstation
[02:03:05] <rennj> esx
[02:03:14] <rennj> vmware-tools are free to download though
[02:03:19] <auto359> yeah
[02:03:26] <aka_druid> Im running solaris10 as gues in vmware server, with suse host
[02:03:34] <rennj> yeah fbsd,linux.solaris vmware-tools i know of
[02:03:48] <rennj> yeah so e1000 nic
[02:04:00] <aka_druid> just updated to the latest vmware server, I was hitting a funny bug with vmware tcp
[02:04:03] <auto359> i didn't find them of much use personally, i just run headless servers on the VMs for testing applications
[02:04:08] <aka_druid> but now its working gracefully
[02:04:13] <rennj> vmware server doesnt support vmxnet nic so tools doesnt help there
[02:04:31] <rennj> only thing tools would help with is svga vs vesa
[02:04:37] <rennj> and sun kdmconfig
[02:04:42] <rennj> has vmware driver i think
[02:05:01] <rennj> Xsun Xorg...think the Xorg has vmware module or whatever alreday
[02:05:08] <rennj> i dont need vmware tools on solaris
[02:05:12] <auto359> yeah, i was running winblows in a vm as a spyware sandbox
[02:05:17] <rennj> e1000 nic and audio work fine
[02:05:22] <auto359> nice
[02:05:23] <rennj> es137x audio
[02:05:32] <rennj> as for X
[02:05:36] <rennj> i do vncserver
[02:05:40] <rennj> so its moot point
[02:05:45] <auto359> indeed
[02:05:55] <rennj> nxserver would be better
[02:06:07] <rennj> nxserver > windowd rdp or vncserver or X
[02:06:22] <rennj> and its uses ssh
[02:06:29] <rennj> so your good there to
[02:07:02] <rennj> i do flat-file for harddrives in vm's
[02:07:07] <rennj> just like esx does
[02:07:27] <rennj> lsi scsi or ide...i read scsi is suppose to be fast for some os's
[02:07:37] <rennj> vmware is nice
[02:07:50] <auto359> i used nxserver on gentoo for a while, i like it but is wasn't quite what i wanted
[02:07:51] <rennj> Xvm aka sun xen will be nice
[02:08:04] <auto359> i am off to a vmware presentation this week
[02:08:22] <rennj> waste of time
[02:08:27] <rennj> just give me the oem docs
[02:08:58] <auto359> k, always nice to get some free biscuits
[02:09:42] <rennj> intel bx chipset.e1000 nic,amd lance, or vmnet nic , ehci usb2.0, es137x audio and vesa/svga vid
[02:09:53] <rennj> vmware machine
[02:10:02] <auto359> good setup
[02:10:10] <rennj> vmplaye2 and workstation6 have ehci usb
[02:10:15] <rennj> why i upgraded
[02:10:20] <rennj> for usb2.0
[02:11:17] <aka_druid> shrug, why you need usb in a vm?
[02:11:43] <rennj> im only own this laptop
[02:11:51] <rennj> fbsd vm owns external usb drive
[02:12:06] <rennj> 3 years ago i encrypted 250GB drive with fbsd gbde encryption
[02:12:12] <rennj> so i made my choice then
[02:12:17] <rennj> that was on bare metal
[02:12:23] <rennj> i moved the os to vmware
[02:12:27] <rennj> nfs nas machine
[02:12:37] <rennj> like vmware freenas appliance
[02:12:56] <rennj> so on this laptop
[02:13:07] <rennj> i only have windows or linux as choice of os
[02:13:12] <rennj> for baremetal
[02:13:20] <rennj> cause of usb tv tuner card driver
[02:13:30] <rennj> vm's is only way i can get to my data
[02:13:52] <aka_druid> ic
[02:14:13] <rennj> vmware could own my laptop nic if i wanted
[02:14:23] <rennj> and i could route all traffic through vm to internet
[02:14:30] <rennj> fbsd firewall nat
[02:16:08] <rennj> what sun Xen xvm bring to the table is dtrace guest os's
[02:16:20] <rennj> thats nice feature to have
[02:17:41] <rennj> least so they say
[02:17:47] <rennj> from what i been reading
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[03:17:46] <noyb> anyone know to access a USB serial port adapter while using snv73+ in vmware fusion?          (talk about a niche...)
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[03:21:54] <timely_changelog> heh
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[03:23:38] <rennj> yeah its in the .vmx config file sanbarrow or easyvmx
[03:23:48] <rennj> those websites explain the info
[03:24:10] <rennj> vmplayer2 and workstation 6 have ehci usb 2.0
[03:24:39] <rennj> vmwarer server,workstation 5 and vmplayer usb 1.0 ohci i think
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[03:25:26] <rennj> the guest needs the driver is what im saying
[03:26:08] <rennj> and you ned to define the usb in the guests .vmx  file
[03:26:18] <rennj> or through the gui cotton candy
[03:27:01] <rennj> course apple hardware
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[03:28:02] <noyb> my snv62 on the toshiba tecra m2 already has the driver for the usb serial adapter, so I'll venture to say that 73 has it also.  It's just that when I plug in the adapt. to my mac usb port, snv73 doesn't see it.
[03:28:54] <noyb> I'll look for said vmx file...
[03:29:10] <rennj> its where the vm is usally
[03:29:31] <rennj> text file
[03:29:44] <rennj> defines hardware guest vm will have
[03:29:55] <rennj> set nic to e1000 intel gigbit
[03:30:01] <rennj> audio to es137x
[03:30:06] <rennj> etc
[03:30:19] <rennj> usb=ehci
[03:30:21] <rennj> etc
[03:30:26] <rennj> then when guest boots
[03:30:35] <rennj> guest needs drivers for that hardware
[03:30:54] <rennj> sun e1000 nic, es137x audio. etc...vesa,svga graphics
[03:31:23] <rennj> its not that hard
[03:31:30] <rennj> docs explain allot of this
[03:31:39] <rennj> vmware forums is really good
[03:31:40] <noyb> lemme try that usb=ehci business...  thanks.
[03:31:42] <rennj> sanbarrow
[03:31:47] <rennj> those websites
[03:31:57] <rennj> apple fusion combo well
[03:32:02] <rennj> not sure of sites
[03:32:03] <noyb> found the file, but I would have expected the usb= entry to be there already.
[03:32:21] * noyb plays...
[03:33:24] <rennj> you want me to paste my solaris 10 vm
[03:33:37] <rennj> i been using it on solaris 10 06/06
[03:33:44] <rennj> vmx file
[03:33:53] <noyb> not here of course, but yeah.  pastebin would be good.  thanks
[03:33:54] <rennj> i use esx flat-files for harddrive
[03:34:04] <rennj> of course not here
[03:34:08] <noyb> ;)
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[03:38:28] <rennj> http://hashbin.com/116af.html
[03:38:36] <rennj> thats for vmplayer2
[03:39:33] <rennj> actually that config is for older vmplayer
[03:39:47] <rennj> virtualHW.version="6"
[03:39:53] <rennj> is for newer vm's
[03:40:04] <rennj> but it still works in newer
[03:40:07] <rennj> doesnt matter
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[03:45:11] <rennj>  usb.present = "TRUE"
[03:45:12] <rennj>  usb.generic.autoconnect = "FALSE"
[03:45:12] <rennj>  ehci.present = "TRUE"
[03:45:20] <rennj> those are what you would want to add
[03:45:41] <rennj> sanbarrow has tons of tweaks on site
[03:45:58] <rennj> virtualHW.version="4" doesnt support that
[03:46:20] <rennj> i have tried ehci on solaris
[03:46:25] <rennj> i run in on fbsd though
[03:46:55] <rennj> i havent tried it i mean
[03:46:57] <rennj> on solaris
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[04:50:05] <nasser> when OpenSolaris 75 release ?
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[05:30:25] <phalenor> blah
[05:30:35] <phalenor> err, wrong channel
[05:32:19] <Triskelios> blah!
[05:32:47] <nasser> when OpenSolaris 75 release ?
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[06:46:26] <Tempt770> Hmmm.... bored.
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[06:50:04] <elektronkind> Tempt770: reinstall your box
[06:50:31] <Tempt>  Not that bored.
[06:51:35] <bda> Heh. Just played through HL2e2 with commentary on.
[06:51:44] <bda> Ending still a kick in the gut.
[06:52:09] <Tempt> Never bothered finishing HL2. Lost enthusiasm
[06:52:24] * bda is a big fan of the series.
[06:53:41] <Tempt> The whole steam thing put me off at first, and by the time I got motivated to get a cracked copy I was just over the concept.
[06:53:50] <Tempt> They lost a customer to copy protection, effectively.
[06:54:34] <bda> I prefer to purchase things I consider worthwhile. :)
[06:54:51] <bda> And Steam means I can download things instead of 1) going to store 2) dealing with people 3) have more crap in my closet.
[06:55:06] <Tempt> So do I. And they made purchasing unappealing by requiring all that steam bullshit and activation crap and whatever, so I didn't.
[06:55:27] <bda> The barrier to entry is really low for steam, imo.
[06:55:27] <Tempt> Didn't need that shit to buy Sam & Max ...
[06:55:38] <bda> The new Sam & Max you do. :)
[06:55:45] <bda> (pretty ok, not as good as original)
[06:55:50] <Tempt> no activation
[06:55:55] <bda> What activation?
[06:56:08] <bda> I buy something, it downloads, I play it.
[06:56:09] <bda> shrug
[06:56:10] <Tempt> I distinctly remembering steam wanting to 'authenticate' before running HL2.
[06:56:25] <bda> I just bought the Orange Box and didn't have to do anything like that.
[06:56:34] <bda> Maybe that's how it worked originally, I don't recall.
[06:56:38] <Tempt> so if your 'net connectivity was down and you fancied a game to fill time while waiting for the outage to end, it said 'tough shit'
[06:57:04] <bda> Let me put it this way. :)
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[06:57:15] <bda> The game is good enough that whenever a new ep comes out, I reinstall Windows just to play it.
[06:57:18] <bda> So. :P
[06:57:29] <Tempt> haha
[06:57:30] <Tempt> Indeed.
[06:57:41] <bda> Though Boot Camp makes it super easy to do. :)
[06:57:50] <Tempt> Looking forward to taking a look at Bioshock when I get time.
[06:58:00] <bda> I didn't bother playing more than 30m of Bioshock.
[06:58:07] <Tempt> Really? How come?
[06:58:09] <bda> It was SS2 without the intelligence.
[06:58:13] <Tempt> Oh.
[06:58:26] <Tempt> I really enjoyed the System Shocks, I was hoping it would be more of the same
[06:58:27] <bda> They did rip-off Fallout pretty effectively, though. :)
[06:58:36] <bda> It was SS for the XBox crowd...
[06:58:41] <Tempt> aah
[06:58:43] <Tempt> no puzzles
[06:58:46] <Tempt> all shooting
[06:58:47] <Tempt> no intelligence?
[06:58:51] <bda> There are puzzles. No RPG elements.
[06:59:02] <bda> Hang on.. are you familiar with Zero Punctuation?
[06:59:06] <Tempt> No digging around looking for logs and notes and emails?
[06:59:15] <Tempt> Zero Punctuation?
[06:59:28] <bda> There are cassetes and stuff to pick up for story. I dunno. It just felt... weak.
[06:59:38] <Tempt> dumbed down?
[06:59:39] <bda> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock
[06:59:43] <bda> Check that out.
[06:59:46] <bda> It is both hilarious and informative. :)
[06:59:55] <bda> (ALL of his reviews are incredibly amusing)
[07:00:12] <bda> I stole his "for the xbox crowd" line above. :)
[07:01:50] <bda> "I wasn't aware boiled water could form allegiances."
[07:01:51] <bda> hahah
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[07:02:22] <Tempt> Oh dear.
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[07:04:42] <bda> I love that guy. :P
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[07:08:29] <nasser> when OpenSolaris 75 release ?
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[07:52:58] <Fuzzy> anyone doing xen and opensolaris around here?  Can linux be pv'd or is it another hvm?
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[08:11:34] <axisys> my load average on t2k is 86.25 and 130 oracle processes http://rafb.net/p/ddRwUs37.html with tons of cpu latency
[08:12:29] <jbk> i'd be curious to know what the syscalls are doing
[08:12:35] <jbk> hopefully i/o
[08:14:01] <axisys> jbk: collecting the syscalls using dtrace..
[08:14:38] <axisys> e2eNewPEPE.pl 67671 and oracle 1018511 times in last few secs
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[08:16:28] <palowoda> 3653 lwps interesting.
[08:17:07] <axisys> palowoda: yep
[08:17:45] <jbk> what's interesting is that all the top oracle processes appear to only have 1 lwp
[08:18:02] <jbk> is the database on raw devices?
[08:18:20] <axisys> jbk: no.. on zfs
[08:18:27] <jbk> hmm..
[08:18:35] <jbk> not zvols?
[08:18:56] <axisys> jbk: np
[08:19:01] <axisys> jbk: i mean no
[08:19:08] <jbk> is async i/o turned off in the database?
[08:19:20] <jbk> or do you just have a huge amount of connections?
[08:20:09] <axisys> jbk: hmm..
[08:20:21] <axisys> jbk: i dont see any i/o delay
[08:20:24] <jbk> usually oracle shadow processes will use async i/o to read the .dbf files
[08:20:30] <jbk> and unless something's changed
[08:20:44] <jbk> the first async i/o request should cause libaio to create a pool of 10 threads
[08:20:53] <jbk> so i would expect to see shadow processes w/ 11 lwps
[08:21:23] <jbk> though i'm still curious to know which syscalls are consuming all that time
[08:21:32] <axisys> pread
[08:21:37] <jbk> hmm
[08:22:04] <axisys> dtrace on only oracle execname gives me most probefuncs as pread
[08:22:16] <delewis> you aren't going to get asynchronous IO with ZFS>
[08:22:17] <axisys> let me take that predicate off
[08:22:36] <jbk> did they modify libaio?
[08:22:50] <delewis> you're only going to get asynchronous IO with raw logical volumes.
[08:22:57] <jbk> no
[08:23:12] <jbk> you won't get kernal aio without raw devices
[08:23:18] <axisys> i have 83 conenctions on port 1521
[08:23:39] <jbk> but oracle will still issue aio_read/aio_write
[08:23:46] <delewis> that's sqlnet, probably.
[08:23:58] <axisys> delewis: probly
[08:24:05] <jbk> just on cooked filesystems, they get handed off to threads internal to libaio that do pread/pwrite
[08:24:40] <jbk> how many oracle processes?
[08:24:59] <axisys> 139
[08:25:08] <jbk> multiple instances?
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[08:25:18] <jbk> 83 connections should only lead to around 90 processes total
[08:28:19] <axisys> 133
[08:29:34] <axisys> lsof  | grep TCP | grep 1521 | wc -l  = 83
[08:29:46] <LeftWing> grep -c
[08:30:23] <axisys> LeftWing: got 85 this time
[08:30:42] <axisys> lsof  | grep TCP | grep -c :1521 = 85
[08:31:53] <jbk> are there multiple instances of oracle running?
[08:32:00] <axisys> Total: 753 processes, 3755 lwps, load averages: 89.67, 89.62, 87.68
[08:32:22] <axisys> jbk: i am not sure.. but all within same zone
[08:32:35] <palowoda> How many cores?
[08:32:36] <axisys> jbk: ps -ef | grep oracle = 133
[08:32:55] <jbk> yeah, there either has to be multiple instances, or something's wrong
[08:34:20] <jbk> so what is the main problem then? just general slowness?
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[08:34:45] <axisys> jbk: prstat -t within the zone itself shows
[08:34:48] <axisys>    229 oracle    285G  237G   100%  41:29:24  66%
[08:34:54] <axisys> 229 oracle process running
[08:35:09] <axisys> or 229 process running that is own by oracle user
[08:35:56] <axisys> jbk: general problem is load avg is too high 87
[08:36:14] <jbk> that in itself isn't a problem
[08:37:03] <axisys> jbk: well then I have no other problem.. it just exceeding the threshold .. i can just increase the threshold on hobbit (monitoring tool)
[08:37:22] <Tempt> repeat after me:
[08:37:23] <axisys> one thing for sure is that it exceeded the threshold
[08:37:24] <jbk> what size box is it?
[08:37:28] <Tempt> "load average is not a performance metric"
[08:37:57] <axisys> Tempt: ofcourse not.. but the trend shows it is rising.. from last two weeks
[08:38:10] <jbk> Tempt: unfortunately, every monitoring tool in existance seems to think it is
[08:38:15] <Tempt> What sort of box, anyway?
[08:38:20] <axisys> t2k
[08:38:28] <jbk> how many cores?
[08:38:40] <axisys> 8 cores
[08:38:52] <axisys> 32G real mem
[08:38:57] <Tempt> Welcome to the land of performance tuning on Niagara
[08:39:00] <jbk> so that's roughly equivalent to a load average of 2.7 on a single cpu box
[08:39:14] <axisys> jbk: correct
[08:39:21] <jbk> probably getting a bit of a workout
[08:39:38] <jbk> but the question should be, is the database performing to expectations?
[08:39:43] <axisys> jbk: i guess i will just increase the threshold to 90..
[08:40:07] <axisys> jbk: may be I can upload the trend png file to share with u
[08:40:13] <Tempt> set it to 9000
[08:40:15] <Tempt> and ignore it
[08:40:22] <axisys> Tempt: lol
[08:40:25] <Tempt> and track actual CPU stats instead.
[08:40:48] <palowoda> Which cpu stats?
[08:40:50] <axisys> Tempt: i was getting tons of latency and tons of thread in wait queue
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[08:41:18] <bda> Where's the 285G coming from in prstat -t output?
[08:41:29] <jbk> that's just overcounting the sga
[08:41:30] <Tempt> bda: SGA gets counted for every process
[08:41:35] <axisys> Tempt: i got tons of 54 on LAT colum
[08:42:04] * bda doesn't know anything about Oracle, no idea what that means.
[08:42:17] <Tempt> Well, how big is your SGA?
[08:42:20] <jbk> umm big sysv shared memory segment used mostly for db cache
[08:42:23] <axisys> bda: thats prstat's way of counting memory.. ignore that number
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[08:42:34] <bda> Heh.
[08:42:45] <Tempt> select sum(value)/1024/1024 from v$sga;
[08:42:52] <bda> aha
[08:43:18] <jbk> actually, i think i'm going to sleep..
[08:43:27] <axisys> Tempt: i am not a dba.. i will get that number for you on monday.. i rather not access the oracle :-(
[08:43:38] <jbk> ipcs -ma
[08:43:38] <axisys> jbk: thnx man
[08:43:43] <jbk> look for a really big segment
[08:43:48] <jbk> (oracle creates a couple)
[08:43:59] <jbk> won't be exact, but pretty close
[08:44:02] <axisys> i se ethem
[08:44:12] <jbk> or run pmap on one of hte processes, and grep for shmid
[08:44:29] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/kDF3ri70.html
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[08:46:39] <Tempt> Well, count that big chunk of memory for every process and it'll explain prstat's giant number
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[08:49:34] <axisys> from the trend it looks like every sat the load avg goes up like this..
[08:49:50] <axisys> i am looking at the rrd graphs of cpu load avg..
[08:50:18] <axisys> so I guess I will just up'd the threshold higher so wont get alert
[08:55:02] <axisys> Tempt: according to solaris performance and tools page 16 .. load avegare is a good initial mesurment of how cpu performing
[08:55:29] <Tempt> Good for page 16.
[08:55:30] <axisys> Tempt: so i cant really ignore the number.. it does give a initial hint.
[08:57:13] <axisys> and all the readers who bough the book :P
[08:57:22] <axisys> bought that is
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[10:21:32] <Fish> hello
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[10:34:12] <e^ipi> hmm
[10:34:25] <e^ipi> CW_NO_SHADOW really speeds up builds
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[10:39:41] <jteo> yes. since you do don't GCC compilation of ON...
[10:41:13] <e^ipi> I'm aware of why, I've just always forgotten to set it before
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[10:41:41] <e^ipi> it's the first build where one of the steps wasn't "wake up; make coffee; sit at terminal"
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[10:57:09] <Doc> hmm.. Stallman was attacked by Ninjas
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[11:03:34] <jteo> wb Gman
[11:03:40] <Gman> hi
[11:03:57] <andyshack> hey folks, I'm having some trouble with a box that has for some reason stopped accepting ssh connections (connection refused). If I ask the box : svcs -l ssh, and it tells me its State is offline, that would probably be my problem right ?
[11:04:21] <jteo> andyshack: yes.
[11:04:46] <Tempt> svcadm restart ssh
[11:05:08] <andyshack> Ah, I was trying enable, not restart.
[11:05:17] <Tempt> well, enable should work if it was disabled.
[11:05:28] <Tempt> you could always try svcadm disable ssh ; svcadm enable ssh
[11:05:30] <Tempt> that'll make sure.
[11:06:13] <jteo> svcs -x ssh is good fun too.
[11:06:42] <RealWickedWicky> morning
[11:08:03] <Tempt> Morning.
[11:08:18] <andyshack> State is still offline. I spose I should check /var/adm/messages I found a nice page on this in the sun forums although it stops with eveything I've tried and has just been suggested.
[11:10:09] <Tempt> yes, you should definately check /var/adm/messages
[11:10:14] <Tempt> ssh loves to complain if unhappy.
[11:10:48] <andyshack> Complaints lead to internal dns being unresponsive.
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[11:12:37] <Tempt> ssh is refusing to start because of DNS?
[11:12:38] <Tempt> That's a new one.
[11:13:36] <andyshack> beats me, ill restart dns and see if it helps.
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[11:20:42] <Teltariat> hello people.
[11:22:01] <estibi> hi Teltariat
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[11:26:42] <WickedWicky> Tempt, how did this jboss thing work out for you? Have you been able to put some monitoring on the webapps?
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[11:27:34] <Teltariat> And was there much running about and flailing of arms?
[11:30:32] <stratism> Hi guys. I might be off the subject of this forum but you could maybe help. I am trying to install OpenSolaris Express Developer Edition on my Acer Aspire 7520G and I need drivers for my ethernet and wifi cards. Do you know where I could search to find them?
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[11:43:40] <quasi> stratism: would be easier if you said something about what nic and wifi card
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[11:45:55] <stratism> Ok. My NIC is the nVidia ethernet device (that is what I get reported from linux) and my wifi is the Atheros 5007 chipset
[11:47:00] <Teltariat> I also had a builtin nVidia NIC that didn't work in Solaris
[11:47:10] <Teltariat> It was part of the nForce chipset, I think
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[11:48:38] <quasi> so did I - the nfo driver did the trick
[11:48:57] <Teltariat> nfo is 3rd party?
[11:49:02] <quasi> yes
[11:50:15] <Teltariat> thanks, I will check it out
[11:50:40] <stratism> Thanks I will check it out too.
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[12:07:22] <Teltariat> So Linux and FreeBSD have ndiswrapper.  Perchance, is there anything like that for Solaris?
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[12:07:29] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: ndiswrapper
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[12:07:35] <Teltariat> rotf, flyingparchment
[12:07:44] <dlg> real men write drivers
[12:08:15] <Teltariat> dlg: guess that makes me a woman.  Pity I don't have boobs.
[12:08:29] <Teltariat> I'm trying though; still working on my C.
[12:08:59] <Teltariat> and I'm not even sure where to start for the various kernel internals I'd have to learn just to *try*
[12:09:14] <dlg> solaris isnt bad
[12:09:17] <dlg> they have a book on it
[12:09:26] <dlg> funnily enough called writing device drivers
[12:10:02] <Teltariat> lol.  Today must be my "Captain Obvious" day.
[12:11:45] <timely_changelog> you can sign up for a regular subscription to a service w/ such days, but it's not recommended, eventually it turns out to be very expensive
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[12:21:52] <sponix> aye
[12:24:37] <sponix> wow, everyone asleep ?
[12:25:12] <Teltariat> Yep, I'm sleeping right now.
[12:25:24] <sponix> sweet :P
[12:25:59] <sponix> Anyone know the estimated release date for SXCE b75 ?
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[12:30:55] <quasi> sponix: something like next thursday or friday would be the usual
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[12:41:56] <sponix> quasi:  thanks
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[13:35:30] * quasi *groans* - missing 130 patches on an s10 install can't be good
[13:35:53] <Teltariat> Sounds like fun
[13:36:20] <sparvu> hey
[13:36:33] <sparvu> anyone having any problems with latest Firefox build on SXDE ?
[13:36:37] <quasi> well, I'd been stumped by a kernel patch that wouldn't apply - finally I figured out how to work around it
[13:36:44] <sparvu> Im getting: Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting.
[13:36:55] <sparvu> when Im trying to run 2.0.0.8 on x64
[13:37:27] <quasi> sparvu: oh? then perhaps I'll just stay on 2.0.0.7 for the moment
[13:37:45] <sparvu> yep, dunno whats going on
[13:37:47] <quasi> sparvu: truss to see what dir it can't find?
[13:38:25] <sparvu> what permissions do you have for run-mozilla.sh on 2.0.0.7 ?
[13:38:45] <timely_changelog> err
[13:38:53] <timely_changelog> run-mozill.sh doesn't do anything interesting
[13:39:45] <sparvu> thats the part failing: [ -x /usr/local/lib/firefox-2.0.0.8/run-mozilla.sh ]
[13:40:02] <sparvu> Im using pkg version of 2.0.0.8 firefox
[13:40:32] <quasi> sparvu: I don't even have run-mozilla.sh in those parts with 2.0.0.7
[13:41:23] <sparvu> hmm, if you run /opt/sfw/bin/firefox that calls run-mozilla.sh as far as I understand this
[13:42:17] <sparvu> permission seems to be busted on 2.0.0.8 for run-mozilla.sh . Fixing that does not make the things easier:
[13:42:24] <quasi> ah, it's not under a version number - just plain /usr/lib/firefox
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[13:43:46] <sparvu> after fixing the permissions I get this: S02solaris_patchchecker.sh: not found
[13:43:54] <sparvu> brrr, I should try the tar version.
[13:44:10] <sparvu> quasi: are you using pkg or tar for firefox 2.0.0.7 ?
[13:44:17] <quasi> sparvu: pkg
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[13:44:38] <quasi> sparvu: works like a charm
[13:44:47] <sparvu> quasi: which one .08 ?
[13:44:53] <quasi> sparvu: 2.0.0.7
[13:45:08] <sparvu> ahh, yep, that I had today until I pkgrm and pkgadd the latest one
[13:45:14] <sparvu> can you try as well on your machine .8 ?
[13:45:19] <sparvu> :)
[13:45:44] <quasi> sparvu: lets see - do I want to break my firefox install...
[13:47:02] <l1s> hi all
[13:47:12] <gber> hello, can the slim install livecd be downloaded somewhere?
[13:47:12] <gber> i mean the cd referred to here http://blogs.sun.com/moinakg/entry/ming_diana
[13:48:01] <sparvu> quasi: I will fill a bug with mozorg-builds at sun dot com
[13:48:16] <sparvu> and back for .7 - curious if it is working for you
[13:49:34] <quasi> sparvu: maybe I'll give it a spin when I get back - now I need to go get some shopping done
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[13:52:22] <sparvu> quasi: cheers, take u time
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[14:11:59] <TomJ> Does Crossbow allow for per zone IP filtering?  For example, configuring a virtual network that can only communicate on TCP ports 80,443 and on no other port in or out?
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[14:18:05] <Doc> dunno..  but i shot myself in the foot once with a crossbow, and damn it hurt!
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[14:20:04] <Doc> although i'm not sure if that helps you or not...
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[14:20:40] <SYS64738> has anyone compiled this: http://sarg.sourceforge.net/ under solaris  ?
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[14:42:25] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: in what language it's written?
[14:43:02] <SYS64738> I think C
[14:43:31] <SYS64738> when I launch it I receive a Segmentation Fault (core dumped)ding: 0.00%
[14:45:31] <Pietro_S> do you have all dependencies?
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[14:46:29] <SYS64738> I think yes
[14:52:48] <Pietro_S> doesn't it need to have some webserver installed?
[14:53:19] <SYS64738> no
[14:53:32] <SYS64738> it only parse logs
[14:53:44] <SYS64738> you can then see result with apache
[14:53:58] <SYS64738> but in my case it doesn't write nothing
[14:56:26] <Pietro_S> I guess you compiled it with gcc, right?
[14:56:31] <SYS64738> yes
[14:57:23] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: do you have the logs which it should parse? (I have free time so I can port it, if you send me logs)
[14:57:52] <SYS64738> ok
[14:58:02] <SYS64738> howevere log are access.log of squid
[14:58:07] <SYS64738> can I send you as email ?
[15:00:41] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: my email is sobotkap at gmail dot com
[15:01:16] <SYS64738> ok
[15:05:17] <SYS64738> delivering (it's about 1megs)
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[15:05:42] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, where are you from ?
[15:06:40] <Pietro_S> from czech republic
[15:06:55] <SYS64738> ok I am from Italy
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[15:14:22] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: I got logs
[15:15:32] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: any special requiments for path? for example config dir /usr/local/sarg is a bit strange for me  ;-)
[15:15:57] <SYS64738> I put sarg in /opt/sarg
[15:16:08] <SYS64738> config dir for example is in /opt/sarg/etc
[15:16:24] <SYS64738> while the output is: /var/apache2/htdocs/sarg
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[15:24:36] <FallenHitokiri> i'm installing b74 - what software group schould i select if I only need zfs, nfs and samba? reduced network group?
[15:26:16] <SYS64738> use full oem
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[15:27:00] <FallenHitokiri> SYS64738: I did this on a test system - I don't need X, Gnome, Office, Apache2,... why should I install 5gb if I only need 2-3 packages?
[15:27:39] <SYS64738> they learned to me so
[15:28:55] <FallenHitokiri> maybe because it seems that the installer doesn't resolv depences?
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[15:29:55] <SYS64738> if you havent space problem use the entire + oem
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[15:30:31] <FallenHitokiri> I don't care about space, but I don't want to spend half of a day to make sure that there is nothing running and taking up resources I don't need
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[16:38:10] <flyingparchment> how much does JES support cost?
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[17:11:19] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: looks like working, I compiled it with suncc
[17:11:35] <SYS64738> cool
[17:13:24] <SYS64738> can you send me the binary ?
[17:14:57] <Pietro_S> I did spec file, so you would be able to build it yourself
[17:17:44] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: commited - here it is: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[17:18:01] <SYS64738> I try
[17:18:03] <Pietro_S> the package has name SFEsarg
[17:18:13] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, thanks very much
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[17:19:06] <SYS64738> I also tried lightsquid (perl fork for sarg), but does'nt work neither
[17:19:15] <Pietro_S> probably you would need to comment this line (Requires: SFEsquid), cause it's dependant on SFE squid package
[17:19:34] <SYS64738> what stand for SFE ?
[17:20:02] <Pietro_S> that's shortcut for spec-files-extra, it's repository for build recepies
[17:20:31] <SYS64738> very cool
[17:21:05] * tsp wonders if this could be considered a bug, or just a segfault due to me doing something incredibly stupid - du/find will crash when a directory gets too deep
[17:21:08] <SYS64738> do you adive to use squid from that repository instead squid from coolstack ?
[17:21:15] <SYS64738> advice
[17:22:33] <Pietro_S> not sure, but probably I would go for coolstack, as they could do some more advance changes
[17:23:26] <SYS64738> however I am very happy to know about SFE
[17:23:31] <SYS64738> thanks again
[17:23:43] <Pietro_S> and SFEsquid package is a bit old ... :-(
[17:24:14] <Pietro_S> wait I will remove that dependency of SFEsarg, as it does not require squid to be installed ...
[17:24:41] <SYS64738> ok
[17:24:46] * tsp doesn't see himself creating a 100000-level-deep directory structure any time soon to hit this in the real world though
[17:28:20] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, normally what's the basedir for SFE packages ?
[17:28:34] <SYS64738>  /opt/sfe/ ?
[17:29:00] <Pietro_S>  /usr
[17:29:21] <SYS64738> not a good place for small zones (in zfs filesystems)
[17:29:30] <Pietro_S> but every package can change it
[17:30:01] <Pietro_S> all server class packages changes it to something in /opt ...
[17:30:23] <Pietro_S> the rest is happy with /usr - as mplayer, and other desktop stuff
[17:30:53] <SYS64738> I would like the bsd hiearchy in solaris
[17:31:30] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: commited, do want help to set up SFE?
[17:32:15] <SYS64738> let' svn the tree
[17:33:05] <SYS64738> I just must start the SFEpkg as executable /
[17:33:06] <SYS64738> ?
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[17:33:40] <Pietro_S> ?
[17:33:47] <Pietro_S> what SFEpkg?
[17:33:58] <SYS64738> sorry
[17:34:34] <SYS64738> I am installing pkgbuild
[17:34:45] <Pietro_S> you will need to install Sun Studio compilers and pkgbuild
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[17:36:52] <SYS64738> damn I don't know If I have sunstudio installed
[17:37:48] <Pietro_S> do you have /opt/SUNWspro dir?
[17:38:29] <SYS64738> no
[17:38:37] <SYS64738> hope I have the installerd in the global
[17:38:50] <SYS64738> I hate security
[17:38:56] <SYS64738> Building as root is dangerous and is no longer supported.
[17:39:16] <SYS64738> Let me think 5 min about the wc
[17:39:52] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: what arch do you have?
[17:40:13] <Pietro_S> I can send you svr4 package
[17:40:37] <Pietro_S> if you are running x64 as me
[17:45:30] <SYS64738> x86
[17:45:50] <SYS64738> sorry I have x64
[17:49:25] <SYS64738> uff, after the wc all seems better
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[17:53:37] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, I think that if you will do I wiil love you :)
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[17:54:04] <tuck12> anybody here use spamassassin?  I can't compile it
[17:54:09] <tuck12> solaris 9 sparc
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[17:54:42] <SYS64738> tuck12, I use the one from blastwave without problem (but I am in XS69)
[17:54:58] <SYS64738> instead I have big tourbles with simscan and qmailscanner
[17:55:01] <tuck12> ok, lemme check out blastwave
[17:55:27] <tuck12> I just want root user to stop accepting mails.  Can spamassassin do that ?
[17:55:55] <SYS64738> what mta ? sendmail ?
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[17:56:22] <SYS64738> I think you can do it with mta setting or with procmail
[17:56:36] <SYS64738> SA can only add score to mails
[18:00:51] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: check your email
[18:01:13] <tuck12> yes, sendmail
[18:01:52] <tuck12> so SYS64738, after install spamassassin using pkg-get, do you have to do anything else ?
[18:02:11] <tuck12> or it filters the spam for you immediately after the installation
[18:02:19] <SYS64738> yes, you have to make it working with somethinkg like procmail
[18:02:40] <SYS64738> sendmail -> procmail with spamassassin -> mailbox
[18:03:03] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, thanks
[18:03:19] <tuck12> will it install another procmail when i install spamassassin from blastwave ?
[18:03:35] <SYS64738> you have to
[18:03:36] <tuck12> it seems to go and install itself a lot of stuffs now
[18:03:56] <tuck12> i alreaedy have procmail installed
[18:04:15] <tuck12> in /usr/local/bin/procmail
[18:07:04] <SYS64738> Proxy2 # /opt/sarg/bin/sarg -l /opt/coolstack/var/logs/access.log
[18:07:05] <SYS64738> SARG: Records in file: 5458, reading: 100.00%
[18:07:05] <SYS64738> SARG: Successful report generated on /var/www/html/squid-reports/2007Oct21-2007Oct21
[18:07:10] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, I love you!
[18:09:23] <Pietro_S> ;-)
[18:09:30] <SYS64738> tuck12, see this http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~hutch/otherinfo/procmail.html
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[18:10:31] <SYS64738> Pietro_S, when you have time you could insert light squid in the SFE project
[18:10:50] <SYS64738> it's a little bit verbose sarg like squid logs parser
[18:11:12] <SYS64738> it's written in perl and I don't know it
[18:12:39] <tuck12> can't get to that page, SYS64738
[18:12:54] <SYS64738> its slow wait
[18:12:59] <tuck12> SYS64738: what file do i modify to include procmail location ?
[18:13:16] <SYS64738> http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Computers/docs/user/procmail.html
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[19:01:11] <Zambezi> I'm looking into OpenSolaris, but I have a question about encryption. How smart is it to encrypt harddrives when the method is in alphastage? Not that according to me, but I want a stable and secure system. I'm not satisfied with Linux on a server.
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[19:13:05] <jamesd> Zambezi, depends on how invisible the implementation...  i know that solaris hasn't been modified to deal with it yet, but if they are invisible it should work fine.
[19:16:04] <jamesd> then again why encrypt harddrives of your server, if they get access to your server.... all hope is gone....   they can probably just get on the console and gain access since the box is powered on and has encrption allready by passed  ...   its not like you cary it around with you everyday/
[19:16:18] <jamesd> they are supposed to be in a secure location...
[19:19:01] <jamesd> and why do i want to have to enter the passwd to  250 boxes in the data center, should i patch them or they loose power because of some fluke of nature  and they can't boot untill they get a passwd and the CEO is breathing down my neck as he screams at the top of his lung why the hell isn't the prod apps starting, they repaired the power issue an hour ago....
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[19:23:41] <Zambezi> jamesd: It's for security if someone fysicly steal the computer.
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[19:37:45] <bda> http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/jill_porter/20071012_Jill_Porter___Hooker_raped_and_robbed_-_by_justice_system_.html # Oh, Philly...
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[19:38:14] <jamesd> Zambezi, yes but if they get in to the datacenter, all hope is loss... its just as easy and far more damaging to have access to the live compuers and the network it self...
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[19:50:31] <yatesy> hey all, do we have an ETA on when b75 will be released?
[19:51:09] <trede> roughly within 2 weeks from ON ?
[19:52:06] <jamesd> yatesy, 1-4 days after you install the previous version is how it works usually..
[19:52:22] <yatesy> heh
[19:53:16] <yatesy> it's just i've been having a go at building xvm myself but i think i screwed it up somewhere because it keeps panicing my system with disk controller errors that only occur just after starting a hvm guest
[19:53:33] <yatesy> so I'm thinking it's probably safer to wait for b75...
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[19:59:20] <Zambezi> jamesd: Now it's for a computer at home.
[20:02:13] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: what is light squid?
[20:02:46] <SYS64738> http://lightsquid.sourceforge.net/
[20:02:52] <SYS64738> something like sarg
[20:02:56] <SYS64738> but newer
[20:05:39] <SYS64738> is it possible to tell to solaris syslog to accept remote logging ?
[20:06:21] <SYS64738> svc:/system/system-log/config/log_from_remote
[20:06:22] <SYS64738> thanks
[20:07:09] <Petr_adamek> Hello, does anybody know if it is possible to use sata dvd burner with opensolaris?
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[20:11:45] <bda> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs&m=119291821427057&w=2
[20:11:46] <bda> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports-cvs&m=119291834227169&w=2
[20:11:47] <bda> haha
[20:13:00] <Pietro_S> Petr_adamek: if you have good sata chipset, then I think yes
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[20:19:21] <SYS64738> I go far far away
[20:19:23] <SYS64738> bye to all
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[20:22:02] <Petr_adamek> Pietro_S: chipset should be supported by solaris
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[20:23:57] <Petr_adamek> Pietro_S: or do you mean anything else?
[20:32:29] <Petr_adamek> Pietro_S: anyway, thanks for tip - I have three different sata chips in my box  (Intel 82801H and JMicron 20360 on motherboard and Silicon Image 3124 on PCI card), so I will try another SATA port controlled by another chip
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[20:54:27] <flyingparchment> can i add a new instance of an smf service without editing the manifest?
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[20:55:18] <Pietro_S> Petr_adamek: I'm not speciallist on hardware, but if it won't help - ask on mailing list (you even can czech one - I think that someone told that he has woking sata dvd writer on some czech opensolaris meeting, but can't remember who ...)
[20:56:00] <flyingparchment> ah.. "add"
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[20:58:29] <RainDoctor> whats the difference between devfsadm cfgadm
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[20:59:46] <flyingparchment> RainDoctor: devfsadm configures /dev, cfgadm lets you add/remove devices from the system
[21:00:05] <RainDoctor> flyingparchment, concise answer, thanks:)
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[21:16:32] <RainDoctor> automount(1M), sendmail(1M)
[21:16:36] <RainDoctor> what does 1M mean?
[21:17:12] <jteo> the section that the manpage is classified under.
[21:17:37] <RainDoctor> can you explain a bit further (sorry, I am novice)
[21:17:43] <RainDoctor> there is, 3N
[21:17:47] <RainDoctor> 3C
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[21:21:52] <flyingparchment> can someone explain why smf is doing this? http://rafb.net/p/g9sFs062.html
[21:22:47] <flyingparchment> oh.. need to refresh the service
[21:23:30] <vmlemon> Just wondering, how portable is the SunAudio code to other OSes?
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[21:26:30] <Pietro_S> vmlemon: that doesn't make any sense now, when sun audio will die soon
[21:27:19] <Pietro_S> vmlemon: actually it has very similiar interface to oss (at least from code which I saw)
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[21:28:13] <vmlemon> Didn't know it was going to be discontinued
[21:30:06] <jbk> well oss is going to be in solaris
[21:30:33] <catena> how to use grep for a file to print lines containing either "cat" or "dog"?
[21:31:13] <vmlemon> grep -E "cat|dog"
[21:31:50] <vmlemon> At least with the GNUtils
[21:34:56] <RainDoctor> egrep 'cat|dog'
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[21:35:55] <catena> vmlemon: thanks, /usr/bin/grep doesn't work with -E, so i had to use /usr/xpg4/bin/grep
[21:36:11] <e^ipi> POSIX wins again!
[21:36:19] <vmlemon> No problem
[21:36:33] <vmlemon> Damn GNUtils ;)
[21:37:16] <vmlemon> or indeed, use egrep if you have it
[21:37:37] <catena> Yes, egrep too
[21:38:00] <vmlemon> Saves 2 extra keystrokes, too
[21:38:46] <catena> I was confused with the syntax for a while. Now understood their difference
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[21:49:12] <Petr_adamek> Pietro_S: ok, thanks a lot for information. I am going to visit next Czech OpenSolaris User group meeting, so I will ask there.
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[21:54:58] <timsf> evening all
[21:55:15] <e^ipi> howdy
[21:55:42] <timsf> Recovered from that cold yet e^ipi ?
[21:55:53] <Pietro_S> Petr_adamek: v brne?
[21:56:22] <Pietro_S> Petr_adamek: 23.10?
[21:56:32] <e^ipi> almost, yeah
[21:56:57] <timsf> Good stuff - bit sniffly myself too, aah, transatlantic travel. Gotta love it.
[21:57:56] <quasi> I wouldn't mind the transatlantic travel so much if it didn't usually end up in going to .us ;)
[21:58:46] <timsf> I was actually surprised this time around - the customs/TSA folks were actually quite pleasant...
[21:59:28] <e^ipi> I didn't have to deal with customs in the states, oddly...
[21:59:44] <e^ipi> I cleared US customs in vancouver & on my way back cleared canadian customs there too
[22:00:31] <quasi> timsf: possibly because they now get full information about you from the "open skies" program and were simply feeling sorry for you ;)
[22:00:39] <timsf> Yeah - it used to be possible to do US customs in Dublin as well - which often made things easier. Flew via (spit) Heathrow this time though.
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[22:00:52] <timsf> That'll be it quasi!
[22:02:51] <quasi> I've still not decided whether I'm willing to go stateside until after that gets dropped again
[22:03:39] <e^ipi> power is never ceded
[22:03:45] <e^ipi> that's just it's nature
[22:03:54] <e^ipi> so, you'll be waiting a long time
[22:03:57] <timsf> Yeah, though they could probably tell more about me from a quick google search, rather than needing my retina scan, fingerprints, home address, etc.
[22:04:08] <timsf> cf. recent Cory Doctorow story on that subject...
[22:04:58] <timsf> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/17/scroogled-cclicensed.html
[22:05:19] <quasi> e^ipi: just on plain priciple - as long as they've got rules like that, I won't be spending my money there
[22:06:02] <g4lt-mordant> quasi, well, one can hope ron paul gets elected then things will change FAST
[22:06:22] <e^ipi> oh christ, not you too...
[22:06:27] <wesolows> one could also hope every thieving politician just drops dead
[22:06:38] <wesolows> about the same odds either way
[22:08:03] <wesolows> quasi: Damn shame for us, too; one of your 'euros' could probably buy you most of downtown San Francisco these days.
[22:08:10] <g4lt-mordant> e^ipi, given my nick, did you have any doubt as to my libertarian leanings?
[22:08:13] <WickedWicky> lol
[22:08:24] <wesolows> Is it true the 'euro' is a gold brick 20cm on a side?
[22:08:45] <WickedWicky> if it is I am not getting paid in proper euros
[22:09:20] * g4lt-mordant ought to go to HR and tell them that I need my pay in gold from now on
[22:09:21] <WickedWicky> you'd be f*cked if you earn in this though
[22:09:22] <WickedWicky> http://www.wickedwicky.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1459
[22:09:41] <e^ipi> g4lt-mordant: I'm mostly just sick of hearing about him like he's the second coming of christ
[22:09:48] <timsf> Only in "actual-europe" weslows, in the UK, it's 7.9in per side...
[22:10:01] <e^ipi> and that he'll solve all the problems in the world just by being so damned awesome
[22:10:13] <wesolows> e^ipi: if you saw the rest of US politicians you can sort of understand it though - he's not that great in absolute terms, only relative to the rest of what we get
[22:10:29] <g4lt-mordant> e^ipi, he won't, but if it involves paring back government, it's a good bet he'll do it
[22:10:42] <quasi> wesolows: yeah, that's the tempting bit - I could go playing millionaire with the .us peso like we used to do when going to Spain and Italy many years back ;)
[22:11:02] <timsf> I was watching news over there when Gore won the Nobel prize - the coverage mostly focused on whether or not he'd run for president
[22:11:05] <e^ipi> he looks mostly like a corporate shill to me, but i'm canadian so that's true of even your most liberal anti-corporate politicians
[22:11:13] <wesolows> WickedWicky: Even the reai is holding its value better than the dollar, unless there's been some very recent development I've missed.
[22:11:14] <timsf> Not that he won the goddamned prize in the first place.
[22:11:16] <timsf> sheesh.
[22:11:17] <g4lt-mordant> WickedWicky, I still may have a million cruzerio note somewhere, it was like a quarter when I got it
[22:11:18] <WickedWicky> yeah, walk around with 4.000.000 italian liras and be able to buy an icecream
[22:11:39] <WickedWicky> cruzerio
[22:11:41] <WickedWicky> haha, that's old
[22:12:17] <g4lt-mordant> yeah, the previous brazilian currency, they jumped between cruzados and cruzerios whenever one got too worthless
[22:12:24] <WickedWicky> yea
[22:12:25] <wesolows> yep
[22:12:30] <wesolows> hyperinflation is rough
[22:12:44] <WickedWicky> i am going to brazil again in december, last thing I heard they leveled my former appartment with the ground
[22:12:46] <wesolows> but these days they seem to be doing much better...time will tell of course
[22:13:26] <g4lt-mordant> timsf, the really ugly part is that there's a by-year election scheduled for next month, and NOBODY even notices
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[22:14:03] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: in brazil you mean?
[22:14:11] <wesolows> or are you talking about the US again?
[22:14:12] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows, no USA
[22:14:25] <wesolows> not everywhere holds elections in odd numbered years
[22:14:30] <g4lt-mordant> the last time I was in brazil was 1989
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[22:14:32] <WickedWicky> you could be living in belgium and still havent got a parlemaint after .. god knows how many months :P
[22:14:46] <wesolows> we have a local-only election this year which I can assure you everyone knows about - the mayor is up for reelection
[22:15:11] <wesolows> but I think in San Jose only a couple of school board seats are up - it's seriously not even worth voting
[22:15:25] <wesolows> WickedWicky: true that
[22:15:35] <quasi> but you 'merikans should be happy with the recent drop in $ value - it's gotten to the point where companies in India outsource jobs back to .us ...
[22:15:56] <wesolows> quasi: not any part of .us I'd ever consider living in
[22:16:06] <e^ipi> americans are quite involved in local politics, it's different...
[22:16:13] <jbk> you mean the flyover states :)
[22:16:17] <e^ipi> our civic election turnout is somewhere in the low 20% range
[22:16:24] <wesolows> quasi: truth be told I don't mind the drop; it makes my foreign investments worth more and makes imports more expensive maybe encouraging people not to buy so much shit
[22:16:27] <e^ipi> nobody bothers
[22:16:29] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows, yeah, but I find it rather funny that you talk about the shitty council elections and get blank stares.  I guess that's good because they'll forget to vote and thus prevent the horribly stupid electors from having a say
[22:16:35] <quasi> wesolows: no, I think those 500 jobs I read about went to atlanta
[22:16:44] <wesolows> quasi: like I said...
[22:16:53] <wesolows> atlanta is a class A shithole
[22:16:54] <quasi> wesolows: exactly
[22:17:25] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: things are a bit different in this City, you might say :-)
[22:17:32] <quasi> (been there, didn't want the t-shirt)
[22:17:35] <wesolows> I expect a 40-50% turnout
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[22:17:56] <wesolows> it would be higher if the mayor weren't considered assured of reelection
[22:18:15] <wesolows> but this is California and no election here is complete without a dozen or so ballot questions too
[22:18:46] <g4lt-mordant> I swear, there ought to be a current events test before you can vote, something simple, like "where ion the economic spectrum would you rate the candidates" and putting them in the wrong order means your ballot gets put in a burnbag after you leave
[22:19:05] <WickedWicky> lol
[22:19:18] <wesolows> hmm...truth be told I'd probably fail.  I rate them all socialists and consider them unordered.
[22:19:48] <e^ipi> you americans haven't run a socialist for office since the 20's
[22:20:05] <wesolows> we call the socialist party republicans here now
[22:20:18] <g4lt-mordant> well, I said LIKE, and it pretty much has to be economic spectrum, because that's the place where idiots mostly feed now, calling people more conservative than themselves "liberal"
[22:20:20] <wesolows> and we call the communists democrats
[22:20:48] <flyingparchment> if the US is so socialist, why doesn't it have universal state healthcare?
[22:21:07] <wesolows> because all the money is spent on other socialist claptrap
[22:21:14] <wesolows> we're a poor country if you hadn't noticed
[22:21:27] <e^ipi> like blowing up small sandy countries
[22:21:30] <wesolows> that too
[22:21:40] <wesolows> or getting blown up by them
[22:21:43] <wesolows> whichever
[22:22:34] <e^ipi> the 911 hijackers were mostly saudi arabian. but SA is a major trade partner to the US
[22:22:50] <wesolows> can't fuel those hummers with peace and love, can you?
[22:23:07] <wesolows> SA pwns the US
[22:23:28] <g4lt-mordant> basically, a voting system that proves that you actually gave original thought to the candidates positions instread of having it spoonfed by $COMMENTATOR
[22:23:39] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: I'm all for it.
[22:24:35] <g4lt-mordant> also a nice starship troopers like thing where you can only have a say in war if you've been in one
[22:24:36] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: I'd set the bar even lower, though: describe any candidate's position on any issue.  "For" or "against" doesn't cut it - prove that you read and retained anything from any position paper.
[22:24:43] <wesolows> That way there's nothing subjective about it
[22:24:49] <wesolows> it's a reading comprehension test
[22:24:54] <jbk> though
[22:24:57] <wesolows> and still 95% would surely fail
[22:25:06] <jbk> how do you  deal with most politicans talking out of both sides of their mouth?
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[22:25:38] <wesolows> jbk: by having them publish written position papers that go into the voter information guides
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[22:25:44] <g4lt-mordant> jbk maybe a review process where your ballot is put on hold and you have to provide citations if there's doubt?
[22:26:19] <wesolows> jbk: that's the One True Position Paper.  Anything else doesn't qualify you to vote.  How's that for getting rid of TV ad influenced voters?
[22:26:41] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows++
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[22:27:12] <g4lt-mordant> only thing is can the position papers also be construeed as a binding contract?
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[22:27:55] <wesolows> who cares?  we have recall in our state, and if people have to retain the information from the position paper in order to vote there's a good chance they'll remember those positions when the politician welshes on all of it later.
[22:28:15] <wesolows> this will also lead to less populist and more realistic positions
[22:28:21] <g4lt-mordant> well, wee're finding in idaho that recall doesn't work once you send them to washington
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[22:28:39] <libkeiser> g4lt-mordant: i don't think we'd want them to be binding.  any position paper makes certain assumptions.  you should only vote for people who you have faith will make good decisions under any reasonable set of circumstances
[22:29:06] <g4lt-mordant> god only knows a certain embarrasing senator would be recalled if we could
[22:29:31] <wesolows> yeah...I mean, do you also have the legislative analyst vet them for promises outside that office's authority to deliver?
[22:29:40] <wesolows> craig is working for the dems now
[22:29:48] <wesolows> merely by staying in office
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[22:30:21] <wesolows> I figure the democratic party central committee must have offered to replace the millions in "honoraria" he'll no longer have a chance to make, if he just agrees to stay in office
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[22:33:33] <wesolows> hey brendang
[22:33:40] <brendang> hey
[22:33:48] <wesolows> what's all this black crud all over your desk?
[22:33:55] <brendang> oh-oh
[22:33:58] <brendang> I dont know
[22:34:04] <wesolows> huh ok
[22:34:05] <brendang> was a bird in the office?
[22:34:16] <wesolows> not that I can see
[22:34:29] <brendang> I ought to come in anyway - I have a webrev due
[22:34:36] <wesolows> I'm actually fucking with you
[22:34:39] <wesolows> but come in if you like :-)
[22:34:45] <brendang> heh
[22:35:25] <brendang> its just a matter of if the 2 hours spent travelling will be worth it
[22:35:36] <wesolows> where are you?
[22:35:40] <brendang> home
[22:35:48] <brendang> it's about 1 hour door to door
[22:35:49] <wesolows> are you walking to work?
[22:36:12] <wesolows> yes it takes about 65 minutes to walk from your home to the office
[22:36:13] <e^ipi> ugh, I've really got to find a tech. internship that'll let me work remotely... I have to stop hacking at libc now to go sling coffee for $9.40/hour
[22:36:20] <wesolows> but we have these things called streetcars
[22:36:25] <wesolows> that can bring you here in 30 or less
[22:36:27] <e^ipi> don't get me wrong, I like my job... I'm just annoyed that I have to go right now
[22:36:32] <wesolows> you should try them
[22:36:32] <timsf> See - I *knew* people walk to work in the US!
[22:36:45] <brendang> it's about a 10 min walk to the muni stop, then maybe a 10 min wait, then 30 min ride, then another 5 min walk to the office
[22:36:57] <timsf>  (the looks I got when going out for a walk one evening over in Newark the other week...)
[22:36:59] <e^ipi> does Sun let interns work remotely ?
[22:37:04] <wesolows> timsf: I do in summer only, about 3 days a week.  But only home - it's an hour walk and I don't like to show up all sweaty from walking fast up hills.
[22:37:15] <wesolows> timsf: in winter it's dark and usually raining and that demotivates me
[22:37:33] <timsf> I cycle hail, rain, sleet, etc.
[22:37:39] <wesolows> you're a better man than I
[22:37:41] <bda> Getting stabbed should demotivate anyone from taking a walk in Newark.
[22:37:43] <timsf> I figure once you're wet, you can't get wetter
[22:37:48] <bda> Assuming you mean NJ and not DE. :)
[22:37:53] <timsf> CA
[22:37:57] <bda> ha.
[22:38:05] <wesolows> I hate rain...and it's not completely safe to walk through the TL in the dark
[22:38:17] <timsf> I walked in from Palo Alto to MPK a few years back. That also got a few weird looks...
[22:38:27] <wesolows> I've done that several times
[22:38:34] <wesolows> it's flat and easy
[22:38:35] <wesolows> but not safe
[22:38:39] <timsf> Despite the lovely pavements, lots of places I've been in the states aren't really setup for pedestrians..
[22:38:41] <wesolows> I'd never walk it at night
[22:39:00] <wesolows> very true
[22:39:15] <wesolows> narrow or nonexistent sidewalks, long waits to cross busy streets that may or may not have signals
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[22:39:35] <wesolows> and then maddening stuff like places where you have to go a mile out of your way to cross some expressway or freeway
[22:39:48] <wesolows> thank god I live in SF instead of the US :-)
[22:39:50] <sponix> wesolows:  If you are afraid of those little things, you'd never make it here in Iraq
[22:40:16] <timsf> Yep, sounds about right - they're not fond of ppl just crossing the road just anywhere either
[22:40:19] <wesolows> sponix: not afraid, it's just annoying...and I have no interest in going to iraq because there's no economy there
[22:40:37] <timsf> Don't have a car == weirdo, in lots of places..
[22:40:48] <sponix> Who FOB's with no street lights, or sidewalks (have to walk in the road), and people driving to/from work/chow 24x7
[22:40:55] <wesolows> iraq is like atlanta; maybe people like to live there, and if so that's fine for them.  It's not my kind of place.
[22:41:20] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows, SFO is the only place I've ever had an attempt at mugging on me, when I was heading down the watrerfront to my ship, I laughed so hard at him that he booked it, but it's still there
[22:41:29] <sponix> wesolows:  funny you say that, my Unit is from Georgia
[22:41:33] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: that's kind of funny actually :-)
[22:42:51] <g4lt-mordant> yeah, wer ein the single-digit piers and we all went out to fishermans and split up heading back
[22:42:58] <wesolows> sponix: Well, my dislike of Georgia aside, I appreciate your willingness to serve...wish our leaders did better by you.
[22:43:49] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: No one has ever tried to mug me here; I don't think they can keep up with me.  I'm more worried about getting caught in some thug's crossfire.
[22:44:09] <g4lt-mordant> of course, being a sailor, I was blitzed out of my mind, guy hel;d a gut at me and I just started laughing at him and telling him to put it down befoire he got hurt
[22:44:23] <sponix> wesolows:  Well, can't honestly say my serving is 100% willing ... But either way, I have it pretty good compared to most
[22:45:12] <sponix> wesolows:  I set behind servers and radios, doing about 30min of work a week, out of the 90+ hours I'm on shift ... Normally ripping and watching movies is my life
[22:45:34] <sponix> wesolows:  Seeing the lives of the young kids taken is what gets me the most
[22:46:15] <g4lt-mordant> sponix, they didn't join to live forever...
[22:47:49] <wesolows> sponix: yeah it sounds like you got a better post than many
[22:47:57] <sponix> g4lt-mordant:  Hmm, I always thought that way about the Marines. But, honestly when I signed living and dying wasn't the thought I was having. I doubt they expected to live a short span after signing
[22:48:21] <e^ipi> the military isn't a career path for anyone even remotely familiar with history... just picking up a book should tell you that by joining the military there's almost a certainty that you'll be sent to some damnedfool war to kill people that haven't done any real harm in order to line rich people's pockets, and you may die there
[22:48:46] <wesolows> I'd feel differently about it if they were defending us - I'd appreciate their sacrifice but I wouldn't feel that they died for nothing.
[22:48:55] <sponix> These are the same kids that get drunk and reck cards back home, they don't make 100% sound decisions
[22:49:11] <wesolows> As it is...I don't see what killing a bunch of kids does for us, other than make the fatcat contractors richer.
[22:49:51] <e^ipi> the last conflict that made any sense for america to be in was the pacific theatre of WW2
[22:50:02] <wesolows> yup
[22:50:36] <g4lt-mordant> that, and technically afghanistan, albeit the link btween the state and bin laden was a bit tenuous
[22:50:45] <wesolows> very tenuous
[22:50:58] <wesolows> but we won that, and then lost it by being stupid
[22:51:09] <e^ipi> once again, the 911 hijackers were saudis
[22:51:15] <e^ipi> not afghani
[22:51:17] <sponix> Rumor has it I get to go to afghanistan next trip
[22:51:18] <g4lt-mordant> but yeah, if hte military stayed in afghanistan until there was no al qaeda left, I can see that
[22:51:51] <sponix> e^ipi:  Depends on what the press released
[22:51:51] <wesolows> e^ipi: the link is that the taliban were giving them bases from which to operate
[22:52:03] <g4lt-mordant> e^ipi, yes, but the sponsoring organization was based in afghanistan
[22:52:35] <sponix> American's will believe anything is the main conclusion I've drawn
[22:53:02] <e^ipi> sponix: that's unfortunately probably a fair assesment of the situation
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[22:53:07] <wesolows> e^ipi: whether you consider that justification is another matter, but if I (with a US passport) go to, say, Israel and start killing people as a mercenary, does that give Syria cause for war with the US?
[22:53:13] <sponix> I could get on cnn and tell them the war is over, everyone just decided to get along and they would eat it up
[22:53:20] <g4lt-mordant> and yes, the idiots weere all saudis, and if SA failed to dance on their graves, I'd be all for SA being part of the retribution
[22:53:55] <wesolows> sponix: Most people believe anything *they hear about on television*.
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[22:54:08] <wesolows> The TV is magic; everything on it is true.
[22:54:13] <wesolows> Even more than the Internet.
[22:54:17] <sponix> Exact same people voting are the ones that think Professional Wrestling is 100% true/fact, and their is no way they could practice/plot prior ! :P
[22:54:31] <auto359> hmm, given we have a controlled media (australia), thats a worry
[22:54:55] <g4lt-mordant> sponix, see above where wesolows got a solution to that issue ;P
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[22:55:06] <auto359> hi thought i was in world.geopolitics.usenet
[22:55:11] <sponix> auto359:  USA Has total control over media, just people aren't even aware of that, so its worse
[22:55:13] <wesolows> auto359: curiously, in democratic countries, public media seem to be both of higher quality and less bias than private.  Consider NPR and the BBC against CNN and FOX.
[22:55:53] <e^ipi> public funded, independently controlled is the key i think
[22:56:00] <auto359> well our major public news ABC is better than the free-to-airs for sure
[22:56:01] <g4lt-mordant> auto359, we're just idling and talking, if you have something opensolaris related, spill
[22:56:06] <wesolows> maybe...I wouldn't trust any of them in a real crunch though
[22:56:11] <auto359> nah, i'm cool
[22:56:15] <wesolows> heh
[22:56:19] <e^ipi> they don't need to pander to advertisers as much, since their funding comes from the public coffers
[22:56:51] <auto359> have you guys heard about The Chasers War on Everything from the ABC, AU?
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[22:56:55] <g4lt-mordant> e^ipi, you forget the 55 MPH speed limit then...
[22:57:07] <e^ipi> hmm?
[22:57:27] <auto359> they are that comdedy team that run around harassing polticians etc and get in the poo for it
[22:57:42] <wesolows> auto359: brendang was telling me about it yeah :-)
[22:58:12] <auto359> comedy* they pulled that stunt in the APEC meeting recently in Sydney, got through police barricades in a false convoy with some guy dressed up as OBL
[22:58:13] <g4lt-mordant> the 55 MPH speed limit was basically the fed saying "you know that highway funding that we're returning to you, well, we won't if your speed limit is over 55 MPH"
[22:58:20] <e^ipi> in canada we've got a bunch of comedy troupes that harass politicians. most of them are on commission from the (public funded) CBC
[22:58:27] <g4lt-mordant> public funding is not the answer
[22:58:31] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: I wish some states had taken them up on it :-)
[22:58:36] <auto359> made the police and their 300M security plan
[22:58:46] <e^ipi> unrestricted public funding is though
[22:58:55] <wesolows> e^ipi: I'd rather a co-op
[22:58:55] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows, we damn near did, us, nevada, montana, and there was support in cali for it too
[22:59:04] <e^ipi> CBC gets money regardless of what they publish ( as long as some percentage is canadian content )
[22:59:19] <g4lt-mordant> wesolows, google for the sagebrush rebllion
[22:59:20] <auto359> public funding is the only way that you can get independence without a ruthlessly independent editorial team ... which no longer exist in the mainstream media
[22:59:45] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: I lived in nevada for over a decade, but this was before my time.  I know the history though, just wishing it had happened.
[22:59:55] <e^ipi> auto359: you can't get advertisers to advertise on a ruthlessly independent channel
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[23:00:02] <auto359> everybody has to do what the boss says
[23:00:07] <auto359> e^ipi: exactly
[23:00:12] <g4lt-mordant> well, the energy wasting ticket was a nice trick on that one ;P
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[23:00:33] <auto359> advertising suxs ... to be blunt
[23:00:38] <wesolows> g4lt-mordant: the trouble is, what happened just eroded respect for the rule of law...everyone agreed that the law was BS so no one enforced it.  Way to go feds, it's not like our very lives depend on respect for the rule of law or anything.
[23:00:45] <e^ipi> because maybe they'll say something bad about a business partner or subsidiary
[23:00:52] <wesolows> yeah exactly...the "wasting finite resources" ticket
[23:01:02] <wesolows> which was like a $10 fine and was rarely given out anyway
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[23:01:14] <auto359> hmm, sounds lame
[23:03:34] <auto359> we had our televised debate last night between our current PM and the leader of the opposition, Oppo won for sure, but you have to wonder if the government changes hands will we be better off or just slightly different? same as if republicans get the boot, will things be fundamentally different?
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[23:05:06] <auto359> same ethos goes in any of the first world nations ... basically it is a two team game with klingons, and that is never good
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[23:05:11] <flyingparchment> can webconsole use GSSAPI authentication from the browser?
[23:05:44] <sponix> wesolows:  the War as a whole pisses me off, and at times I feel guilty even to contribute to such a mess... But I'm pretty well locked in, its the best "Job" I have come up with to take care of my family. Something tells me I should have stayed in College ;)
[23:06:07] <auto359> sponix: you are currently in theatre?
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[23:06:24] <sponix> auto359:  Yep... Baghdad Iraq
[23:07:07] <auto359> oh my! stay safe brother, although i personally think the reasons for "it" are BS, i wish no harm to any member of any defence force, was one myself
[23:08:47] <sickness> omg cool, there's an opensolaris user in baghdad? =)
[23:09:07] <auto359> how cool! ... for us, not him
[23:09:40] <sickness> well cool in the sense that's strange... but curious as a fact...
[23:09:41] <auto359> sponix: you a tech or a trigger?
[23:10:00] <sponix> sickness:  At least 2 Solaris Users, I gave a copy of SXDE b70 to a friend recently
[23:10:39] <sponix> auto359:  Commo -- Servers/Radios, I watch/rip movies 99.98% of the time
[23:10:44] <sickness> sponix: omg, didn't think there could be solaris users in iraq
[23:11:02] <sponix> sickness:  Hell, one of my Servers is Solaris 8 sparc
[23:11:07] <auto359> haha, neat, rip movies ... what a riot!
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[23:11:19] <sickness> sponix: cool!
[23:11:39] <auto359> anyone here from brisbane australia?
[23:11:48] <sponix> it pushes gps tracks, doing positioning on our vehicles, and enemy positions
[23:12:09] <sickness> I suppose it's a very important service...
[23:12:20] <auto359> sponix: mashups or proprietry application?
[23:12:54] <sponix> sickness:  Well, the tracking keeps us from shooting ourselves with rounds, and lets us target the enemy
[23:14:04] <sponix> auto359:  Can't get into the software involved to much, all developed by outside contracting companies. My box has 3 different flavors of database, and most of the interfacing is in Java. End user program is written in Java now as well
[23:14:07] <sickness> heh, I wonder how this was accomplished when gps didn't exist... gh
[23:14:25] <auto359> automatically correcting fireplans with known blue?
[23:14:47] <auto359> cool, i figured, tho' it'd be nice to grown your own software
[23:15:01] <sponix> yeah, then I could fix it :P
[23:15:35] <auto359> is always the way, contractors have to service/repair crap under warranty, they are never there when it counts etc etc etc
[23:15:51] <sponix> auto359:  yep
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[23:16:39] <sponix> wesolows auto359 : where are you located ?
[23:17:12] <auto359> iwas a heavy vehicle mechanic, we used to be able to do everything, now, they have to ring the manufacture and book it in ... which kinda doesn't work at the FEBA
[23:17:19] <auto359> me? brisbane, australia
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[23:17:40] <auto359> FEBA ... forward edge of battle area
[23:17:53] <sponix> true, hard to find a contractor while you are taking inbound rounds
[23:18:10] <sponix> auto359:  you where in Australian, or US Military ?
[23:18:22] <auto359> all that experience/knowledge gone ... in the interests of efficiency
[23:18:29] <auto359> australia
[23:18:42] <sponix> Got any good jobs waiting for me their ?
[23:18:53] <sponix> I get out Aug 2009, if they don't talk me into another Contract
[23:19:09] <auto359> no different to when companies madly outsource core technical functions ... loose knowledge, which is priceless
[23:19:25] <auto359> sponix: no idea, what do you want to do?
[23:20:05] <sponix> Same thing I do now... Set on my but and watch movies... Blow the dust off a Solaris box every now and then
[23:20:13] <auto359> haha
[23:20:57] <sponix> Only thing I want different is being able to see my Kids and Wife
[23:21:09] <auto359> hmm, not a lot of commercial gigs will let you do that, they are too serious, must be a whole network of businesses with ex-mil in the us
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[23:21:23] <auto359> sponix: exactly, prime directive
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[23:22:55] <RainDoctor> whats the command to see the paths to a particular drive
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[23:25:06] <sponix> just "mount" with no params will show where things are mounted to
[23:27:08] <sponix> sickness:  want to hear something awful ?
[23:27:28] <sickness> sponix: about what? :\
[23:27:59] <sponix> Army has a whole stack of Sun x86 Hardware running Windows Server 2003 !
[23:28:07] <sponix> Brings a tear to my eye
[23:28:25] <sickness> lol
[23:28:36] <sickness> so it should be new hardware, at least...
[23:28:53] <sponix> oh yeah, its new, its nice
[23:29:00] <sponix> I won't touch it though
[23:29:15] <sickness> only think I use win2k3 is to play videogames, I found that once you install directx and enable acceleration, they run slightly faster than on plain xp :P
[23:29:22] <sponix> My Server support ends when I see a MS logo or splash screen
[23:29:26] <sickness> s/think/thing/
[23:30:46] <vmlemon> Anyone think Windows Vista would install/run on a Sun Blackbox? ;)
[23:31:11] <FuzzyB> your sick and wrong
[23:31:16] <sponix> OMG, someone ban+kick vmlemon !
[23:31:21] <FuzzyB> but i think no because those are cool threads machines i think
[23:31:58] <sponix> MS should stick to games and give up on servers
[23:32:19] <sickness> sponix: games are the trojan horse to get to servers :'
[23:32:21] <quasi> vmlemon: that's kind of a silly question, but since a blackbox could be fitted with x86 machines, most likely it would be possible
[23:32:22] <sponix> Having to reboot a game console every couple hours is acceptable imho ;)
[23:32:40] <vmlemon> Would have been the first system ever capable of running it ;)
[23:32:59] <quasi> sponix: not if you're playing civ or something else that goes on for a few days
[23:33:04] <sickness> sponix: imagine what could happen if valve would stop releasing their dedicated server for linux ghgh  (which can be run under *bsd and solaris too, with linux emulation)?
[23:33:10] <sponix> yeah.. Might take 4 x BlackBox to run Vista
[23:33:20] <sickness> sponix: people will need win32 servers just to run the css dedicated server :|
[23:33:23] <sickness> :P
[23:33:25] <sickness> gh
[23:33:33] <FuzzyB> quasi: i thought the whole reason behind blackbox was to show that they could have massive mobile server density that was achievable only with with cool threads and that x86 would have too much heat output and power consumption
[23:33:42] <FuzzyB> sickness: css has a dedicated linux server
[23:33:48] <vmlemon> Wine to the rescue!
[23:34:03] <sickness> FuzzyB: yeah, I know :)
[23:34:17] <FuzzyB> sickness: i tried it in a brandZ and couldn't make it pop because glibc was too old
[23:34:31] <sponix> time to reboot and test out the Ubuntu Gusty CD
[23:34:33] <sickness> FuzzyB: there's an howto do make it run nicely in brandz!
[23:34:53] <FuzzyB> hrm
[23:34:56] <sickness> FuzzyB: search the blogs on opensolaris.org I'm sure to have seen and read it :)
[23:35:10] <FuzzyB> not a priority right now
[23:35:13] <sponix> sickness:  when I get back you might have to post a link to that howto for me ;)
[23:35:22] <g4lt-mordant> vmlemon, I think you can spec out a blackbox with athlon64's, but whether vista will play nice on a cluster is anyone's guess
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[23:35:32] <sickness> FuzzyB: eheh, I understand... anyway, for what is worth, I made it run under openbsd's linux emulation :P
[23:35:48] <FuzzyB> my biggest question to the open solaris community is: has anyone attempted to bond network interfaces in an active failover setup and share the virtual interface to a xen machine with success?
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[23:36:36] <vmlemon> Probably not, unless it was single node (a waste of good hardware)
[23:37:26] <FuzzyB> in linux it doesn't work
[23:37:29] <g4lt-mordant> then I'd guess it would have to be one athlon64 server and LOTS of arrays
[23:37:32] <FuzzyB> the kernel doesn't read the mii data correctly
[23:37:41] <sickness> http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/4390   <- this is the link for sponix, in case I'll go to sleep in the meantime :)
[23:37:44] <FuzzyB> so failover occurs every time
[23:37:44] <vmlemon> I'm not willing to clean up a Vista infection any time soon, though ;)
[23:37:58] <FuzzyB> you know that can turn gang green
[23:41:32] <vmlemon> Vista?
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[23:49:00] <sponix> I'll be glad when Solaris finds its place on my laptop too, I get sick of having Multiple OS's
[23:51:02] <g4lt-mordant> sponix, get cracking.  I'm already there ;P
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[23:52:23] <sponix> g4lt-mordant:  Ian Murdock needs to hire a hand ful of x86 driver coders before I'm ready
[23:52:28] <sponix> handful
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[23:53:20] <sponix> I've had recent builds installed on both laptops, they all just have issues
[23:53:44] <sponix> sound, video, nic, wireless, card reader, things like that
[23:54:01] <catena> is there any tool that comes with solaris to find if port 80 on a host is open
[23:54:14] <flyingparchment> catena: telnet
[23:55:52] <catena> ;) forgot that! but telnet opens the port, i don't want to open it, just to verify port 80
[23:56:21] <sponix> nmap port scanner ?
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[23:56:28] <sponix> not default in solaris though
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[23:59:17] <Lamia87> having trouble with proxy settings on solaris Nevada....any tips?





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