October 17, 2007 
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October 17, 2007 [00:00:35] <dsch04> Hmm strange [00:01:07] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC [00:01:23] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [00:01:55] *** g4lt-sb100 has joined #opensolaris [00:02:04] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [00:03:47] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris [00:05:47] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC [00:09:02] *** noyb has quit IRC [00:12:02] <elektronkind> hrmm [00:12:48] <jbk> evening [00:12:53] <elektronkind> hola [00:12:58] <jbk> sup? [00:13:15] <elektronkind> thinking about a job interview I have tomorrow [00:13:52] <elektronkind> and trying to distract that thinking by reading ARC proceedings [00:14:15] <jbk> haha [00:15:49] <elektronkind> the job prospect in question would mean a move from DC to SF. so not only "do I want the job" there is also the "do I want to move to (SF|bay area)" question [00:17:24] *** Emmedics4 has quit IRC [00:18:08] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [00:18:24] <jbk> heh [00:18:43] <l1s> bays have high rcrime... [00:18:47] <jbk> well i guess if you're comfortable with teh cost of living around dc, sf probably isn't much different in that regard [00:18:56] <jbk> obviously a different culture [00:19:07] <elektronkind> nah, and I lived there once before so I know the ground rules [00:19:10] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [00:19:26] <jbk> i've resisted moving to the bay area because of the cost [00:19:31] <elektronkind> heh crime? you're talking to someone who owned a house and lived in baltimore ;) [00:19:36] <gcmandrake> lol @ bays have high crime [00:19:42] <gcmandrake> wtf [00:19:54] <gcmandrake> "esturaries have a high homosexual population" [00:20:05] <gcmandrake> estuaries, even [00:20:21] <jbk> though i'm finding myself more and more drawn to the prospect of doing actual interesting work (which i selfishly admit is one of the reasons I'm messing with opensolaris -- to keep my brain from going numb from work) [00:20:30] <l1s> hm, i just heard that in television... dont know weather its true. [00:20:37] <elektronkind> jbk: I'm with you on that [00:20:38] <gcmandrake> how about the weather? [00:21:48] <jbk> a couple of people in sunps (professional services) really think I should be a consultant, but i'd hate traveling that much [00:21:53] <jmcp> it's like Melbourne [00:22:09] <elektronkind> the thing that's pushing me away is that the management here caved to IBM sales droids and our next student information system (based on peoplesoft) will be running on AIX. [00:22:33] *** mikefut has quit IRC [00:22:35] <jbk> ewww [00:22:36] <elektronkind> so our biggest system will be running an OS that no one here knows, and no one cares to know [00:22:39] <jbk> hey jmcp [00:22:42] <jmcp> hi jbk [00:22:45] <gcmandrake> at least they're keeping a sysv around, albeit an extremely expensive to support one [00:23:16] <tomww> anyone here with a SF25k and 640GB mem or similar? Just a huge machine and has something to share and learn from when running oracle 10g on it [00:23:23] <elektronkind> gcmandrake: yeah, I told them to remember to buy their AIX CPU activation licenses (which are no joke) [00:23:23] <jbk> aix is better described as some IBM OS with vague hints of unix wrapped around it :) [00:23:40] <elektronkind> heh [00:23:49] <jbk> or just 'ain't unix' :) [00:23:49] <flyingparchment> elektronkind: i can think of worse choices than AIX [00:24:08] <elektronkind> "If aliens came to earth and were told to go back home and implement their own UNIX, they would make AIX" [00:24:41] <gcmandrake> it diverged from sysv at r3, so it's had more customization over the years [00:24:45] <gcmandrake> at least, that's one reason [00:25:27] <gcmandrake> sun didn't move to sysv until at&t started its legal pursuit of BSD [00:25:35] <tomww> anybody here seems to run solaris on matchboxes hhmm! [00:26:03] <sommerfeld> tomww: biggest box i have here has 64GB [00:26:10] *** jbalint has joined #opensolaris [00:26:23] <tomww> 10 times less :-) [00:26:36] <l1s> matchboxes? [00:26:49] <jbk> tomww: i used to have access to some larger e25k domains at my old job (which eventually ran peoplesoft coincidentially) [00:26:52] <tomww> toys [00:26:57] <l1s> ah [00:26:58] <sommerfeld> as in the toy cars [00:27:06] *** juanddperez has joined #opensolaris [00:28:51] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [00:28:57] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [00:29:09] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [00:29:15] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [00:29:25] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [00:30:25] <tomww> thanks :-) [00:30:28] <jbk> jmcp: fyi, i suspect if i end up ripping out the explicit vis/vis2 disassembly flag (i.e. just always disassemble the instructions when in v9 mode) that it might need an arc case -- since i think it'll mean a slight change in behavior w/ mdb [00:31:02] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [00:31:45] <jmcp> it should still be a fasttrack, but yeah, I agree it'll require psarc involvement [00:32:05] <jbk> since i think one of the mdb options (where you set disassembly mode) would either go away, or become an alias for another [00:32:15] <juanddperez> hi ppl..! I have an Intel D101Ggc, and my Solaris didn't installed my LAN driver [00:32:18] <jbk> that is what i suspected as well (based on my still limited understanding of the process) [00:32:24] <juanddperez> it's a Realtek 8101L [00:32:31] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [00:32:34] <juanddperez> where can I get it? [00:32:39] <jbk> though have (I hope) a much better understanding now than what i did [00:32:51] <gcmandrake> google knows [00:32:55] <jmcp> juanddperez: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/index.htm [00:33:02] <jmcp> jbk: I'm sure you do [00:33:14] <jmcp> juanddperez: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ rather [00:33:32] <jmcp> look for the "rf" or "gani" driver s [00:33:44] <jbk> did you listen to any of the recordings from the summit? :) [00:33:50] <jmcp> nope, haven't had time [00:34:06] <jmcp> but I plan to [00:34:51] <jbk> it was a lot of fun, and very informative [00:35:05] <juanddperez> jmcp: hey thank you! [00:35:35] <jmcp> juanddperez: you're welcome [00:36:36] <bda> The Philadelphia Area Universities and Colleges User Group (PAUC-OSUG) [00:36:37] <bda> wtf :( [00:36:50] <jbk> oh that reminds me, need to send off an email... [00:37:42] <bda> I can't tell if that makes me sad or really pisses me off. [00:37:42] <jbk> at least once i get through all these emails.. [00:40:45] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [00:44:03] <mog> is Project Indiana Milestone 1 release available to public yet? [00:44:18] <mog> i see references to it on the site [00:44:22] <mog> but no link [00:44:50] <tomww> mog: not yet, they met the weekend for the summit, so they should know better [00:45:13] <mog> aww [00:45:27] <mog> ill just install sxce on this box then [00:45:36] <mog> just thought it would be fun to test new stuff [00:45:53] *** ashner has joined #opensolaris [00:46:42] <tomww> so takeing build 74 would be okay i think [00:47:19] <mog> yeah [00:47:39] <mog> no worries just excited about indiana [00:47:49] <Triskelios> tomww: it's not done yet [00:48:17] <tomww> Triskelios: you mean not for download publicly? [00:48:38] <Triskelios> tomww: no, it's not complete [00:49:05] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC [00:50:25] *** jHoNDoE has joined #opensolaris [00:50:58] <mog> really i would have assumed someone like ian has been running and working on it for a month or two at least [00:51:08] *** estibi has left #opensolaris [00:51:10] <mog> i also thought sxce was pretty much indiana [00:51:17] <jmcp> nope, it's not [00:51:18] <mog> except for marketing and the new package manager [00:51:24] <jmcp> indiana hasn't been released yet [00:51:37] <jbk> there's a lot of commonality [00:51:44] <mog> what else is gonna be in indiana that not in sxce jmcp ? [00:52:52] <jbk> i'm probably gonna leave some bits out here, but part of it is removing those bits that prevent redistribution (i.e. so places can mirror, torrent, etc.) plus the installer so that it can run as a live cd or install over the network [00:53:12] <jmcp> mog: I have no idea, ask gman [00:54:08] <Triskelios> mog: my understanding is that the packaging (and installer) changes are going to be the first thing in the preview release [00:54:37] <mog> and less redistrib stuff [00:55:26] *** theRealBallchalk has quit IRC [00:56:44] <Triskelios> the marketing and branding is still in planning [00:58:41] <mog> well 16th is late october in my book ^_^ [00:58:46] <mog> wish they would release [00:59:09] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris [00:59:13] <jbk> well dave miner had a preview [00:59:18] <jbk> so it's probably close [00:59:29] <mog> i can wait [00:59:41] <mog> just every time there is something in the news about it [00:59:42] <mog> i get jumpy [01:00:23] <jbk> why? [01:00:38] <e^ipi> that's silly, nevada works just fine [01:00:41] <e^ipi> use that [01:01:39] *** theRealBallchalk has joined #opensolaris [01:02:01] *** Chihan has quit IRC [01:02:16] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:02:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [01:02:25] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [01:03:54] <mog> im just a stupid fan boy [01:04:11] <mog> just the thought of something like debian/solaris makes me happy [01:04:22] <mog> i wish nexenta was more up to date [01:07:00] <e^ipi> Gman: is there going to be a centralized post-mortem on the summit posted somewhere? [01:07:08] <tomww> Gman: just a few minutes ago ther was the question for the very first indiane images... any dates avail? [01:07:21] <tomww> hey, we should not overload.... [01:07:22] <tomww> .. [01:07:25] <stevel> tomww: the preview release, or the march release? [01:07:27] <wesolows> sure, 5/21/18544 [01:07:38] <tomww> wesolows: heh [01:07:39] <wesolows> or 7/3/1922 [01:07:44] <wesolows> want some more dates? [01:07:47] <e^ipi> eh, gman's got a sufficiently large stack that he can field multiple questions without collision [01:07:50] <wesolows> I got plenty of em here [01:07:55] <stevel> gman is multi-threaded [01:08:02] <tomww> sure? yes [01:08:28] <Gman> e^ipi, i'm planning on writing something, but haven't had the time just yet [01:08:34] <Gman> tomww, hopefully end of this month [01:08:35] <e^ipi> fair enough [01:08:42] <Gman> stevel, segfault (core dumped) [01:08:49] <tomww> run pstack on it [01:08:51] <stevel> gman: svcadm restart gman [01:08:53] <jbk> :) [01:09:08] <tomww> oh svcadm enable -r gman [01:09:28] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [01:09:31] *** l1s has quit IRC [01:09:33] <tomww> well, file a case on indiana [01:09:48] *** RIT_Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:10:16] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [01:10:37] <wesolows> use gdb to debug it - oh wait, he's multithreaded; guess there's some value in writing code ourselves after all [01:11:15] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [01:11:16] *** RIT_Rawn027 is now known as RIT_rawn027 [01:11:17] <tomww> :-) [01:12:05] *** RIT_rawn027 is now known as [RIT]Rawn027 [01:13:02] *** RIT_Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:13:43] *** RIT_Rawn027 is now known as [RIT]Rawn027 [01:14:05] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [01:14:09] *** RIT_Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:14:42] *** alfism has left #opensolaris [01:14:43] *** RIT_Rawn027 has quit IRC [01:15:07] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:16:00] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [01:16:05] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:16:51] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [01:16:56] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [01:22:07] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris [01:23:12] *** pfa3rh has quit IRC [01:23:17] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [01:23:59] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [01:24:47] <dsch04> Right, yet another Solaris install [01:24:56] <dsch04> I've installed the yukon driver [01:25:02] <dsch04> And added an IP address [01:25:08] <dsch04> I can ping my dns server [01:25:39] <jmcp> that's a good start [01:25:45] <dsch04> However, DNS is not configured [01:25:56] <jmcp> now you need to ensure that you have your nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf, and in /etc/nsswitch.conf, find the "hosts:" line and add "dns" [01:26:03] <jmcp> then run "svcadm restart name-service-cache dns/client" [01:26:10] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC [01:26:39] <dsch04> Ah, the nsswitch is what I was missing I think [01:28:20] *** bondolo has quit IRC [01:28:57] <dsch04> Ok, now I need the default gateway [01:30:04] <tomww> put "1.2.3.4" into /etc/defaultrouter [01:30:55] <tomww> if yout like more routes, put them in to /etc/inet/static_routes as 1.2.3.0/24 5.6.7.8 [01:31:15] <jbk> actually you should probably use routeadm [01:31:19] <dsch04> Do I need to restart anything after that? [01:31:54] <jmcp> probably "svcadm restart network/physical:default" [01:32:01] <tomww> yes, but is didn't told you bcs i dont' have the servicename at hand :_) [01:32:24] <tomww> somtething with route in the svc: [01:32:51] <dsch04> svc:/network/routing/route:default [01:33:49] <dsch04> Hmm, still not default route [01:34:10] <tomww> /network/routing-setup:default [01:34:25] <dsch04> That ws the only service with "route" in the service name [01:34:36] <tomww> tis one calls the script in /lib/svc/method/ r which reads the static_routes [01:34:43] <dsch04> bash-3.2# svcs | grep route [01:34:43] <dsch04> online 0:31:35 svc:/network/routing/route:default [01:34:52] <tomww> I had the same tounte!=routing [01:34:59] <tomww> route!=routing [01:35:17] <dsch04> Ah, gotcha [01:35:24] <tomww> restarting the service :-) [01:35:37] <tomww> no need for reboot, since we ar not on ...... [01:35:47] <dsch04> Got it [01:36:19] <dsch04> Not sure why I've got dsl54000000.pool.t-online.hu in my routing table [01:37:10] <tomww> hmm. netstat -nvr tell you at this position? [01:38:13] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [01:38:38] <dsch04> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/739231 [01:39:12] <tomww> I see, you can network and pastebin now :-) [01:39:30] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [01:39:36] <dsch04> :) [01:40:01] *** wnorrix_ has joined #opensolaris [01:41:08] <tomww> maybe something from pre-defaultroute-time? i could be a routing-daemon running which learnt someting, but i might be wrong. [01:48:39] <Nishaway> SXCE b75 due? [01:49:11] *** wnorrix has quit IRC [01:49:16] <Triskelios> this or next Friday... [01:49:25] <dlg> what would win, an m4000 or a t2 based system? [01:49:37] <jbk> depends what you're trying to do [01:49:57] <dlg> ssrs perhaps? [01:50:04] <dlg> shell server [01:50:06] <e^ipi_> take over the world [01:50:18] *** e^ipi_ is now known as e^ipi [01:50:30] <dlg> taking over the world would be nice [01:50:35] <jbk> *narf* [01:52:38] <jbk> hmm i should just turn off wpa on my router so i can use my laptop under solaris [01:52:52] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [01:53:06] <tomww> ...or put an atheros card into the beast [01:53:15] <jbk> tomww: i tried that [01:53:21] <jbk> still have the atheros minipci card [01:53:24] <tomww> w/o success? [01:53:31] <jbk> thing would draw too much current [01:53:36] <jbk> and my laptop would die [01:53:39] <jbk> or get _really_ unstable [01:54:01] <jbk> i have a $10 marvell pcmcia card that works, just don't think it'll do wpa [01:54:40] <jbk> i suppose no ssid broadcasting + mac filtering + wep should be reasonable.. [01:55:10] * mog pulls up to jbk's house for free wifi [01:55:26] <jbk> heh there's also the clubhouse wifi [01:55:27] <sommerfeld> dlg: so, m4000 has 4 sockets, 2 cores per socket, 2 threads per core. clocked at 2+ghz [01:55:30] <jbk> which is wide open :) [01:55:50] <e^ipi> WPA is overrated anyways... just use secure connections with anything you want to keep private anyways [01:55:55] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [01:56:00] <sommerfeld> i'd expect single-thread performance to be higher than the T2 based system. But throughput given a sufficiently parallel workload... heck if I know [01:56:30] <dlg> its a hard call [01:56:32] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [01:56:35] *** loke__ has joined #opensolaris [01:58:22] *** victori_ has quit IRC [01:58:58] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [01:59:33] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [02:06:10] *** yippi has quit IRC [02:06:27] *** juanddperez has quit IRC [02:07:04] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [02:07:05] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris [02:09:28] *** loke_ has quit IRC [02:09:39] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [02:13:50] <dlg> lsi have made their driver for the megaraid sas hbas available [02:13:57] <dlg> so mfi users might want to consider switching to it [02:16:15] <sommerfeld> is it just me, or is "mega-" as a prefix for something storage related seem a little behind the times? [02:16:33] <wesolows> how appropriate, then, for a HW RAID controller [02:16:53] <tomww> hyper or sonic or mars? [02:17:02] <wesolows> "ultra" [02:17:15] <wesolows> UltraRAID 2000! [02:17:18] <dlg> sommerfeld: its been a product name since the mid 90s [02:17:27] <tomww> we have had an ultraport [02:17:35] <dlg> thats a lot of marketing goodwill to throw away [02:17:38] <dlg> meeting, bbls [02:17:40] <tomww> 2000 is from the past [02:18:06] * wesolows parties like it's 1999 [02:18:54] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [02:19:38] <sommerfeld> dlg: they should have planned ahead and grabbed gigaraid and teraraid [02:19:57] <wesolows> and petaraid and exaraid now [02:20:19] <sommerfeld> exabyte, on the other hand, was ahead of their time. [02:20:25] <wesolows> yep [02:21:07] *** noyb has quit IRC [02:23:39] *** dlynes has joined #opensolaris [02:24:43] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [02:26:43] *** plocher has quit IRC [02:26:48] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [02:26:52] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [02:27:38] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [02:29:09] *** aka_druid has joined #opensolaris [02:30:15] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:33:32] *** claws_bugs has joined #opensolaris [02:33:38] <claws_bugs> hi gents [02:33:47] <claws_bugs> what distro is good for installing on a ahrd drive [02:33:51] <claws_bugs> and using as a server? [02:33:54] <claws_bugs> currently? [02:34:15] *** jerkface has quit IRC [02:34:19] *** jerkface has joined #opensolaris [02:34:48] <jbk> well they are all good... sxce is probably the most current in terms of features [02:35:20] <jbk> and is the most 'solaris-like' if you're already used to solaris releases [02:37:00] <jbk> hmm is there an empty ARC case template? or is that created via the scripts that are still internal? [02:38:52] <claws_bugs> Im used to linux lol [02:38:59] <claws_bugs> sxce? [02:39:06] <jbk> solaris express community edition [02:39:19] *** jerkface_ has joined #opensolaris [02:39:52] <nachox> if you're really planning to use it as a server you should probably use solaris 10 [02:40:06] <jbk> well [02:40:09] <sommerfeld> jbk: you don't need to follow any particular template for a fasttrack. describe the proposed change concisely in a way that should be understood by experienced generalists [02:40:14] <jbk> if there's no plans to purchase a support contract [02:40:43] *** plocher has quit IRC [02:40:51] <jbk> sommerfeld: ok.. [02:40:54] <nachox> you can still get security updated without a support contract [02:40:55] <jbk> heh [02:41:10] <claws_bugs> wait [02:41:12] <claws_bugs> yeah [02:41:16] <claws_bugs> I dont want support [02:41:25] <claws_bugs> solaris express communist edition? [02:41:37] <nachox> almost [02:42:56] *** wnorrix_ has quit IRC [02:42:57] <claws_bugs> nexenta? [02:43:10] <claws_bugs> I want a non c coder experience [02:43:21] <claws_bugs> can commuist edition load onto my pc without hassle [02:43:28] <claws_bugs> does it inlude boot laoder n stuff [02:43:34] <claws_bugs> and tools to cut up the hd? [02:47:15] <nachox> well, nexenta is very much like debian if you ever used that linux distribution [02:47:52] <claws_bugs> oh yeah [02:47:56] <claws_bugs> just hate pat-get [02:47:59] <claws_bugs> apt-get [02:48:10] <claws_bugs> hmmmm [02:48:18] <claws_bugs> solaris has good kernel yes? [02:48:26] <claws_bugs> and killer file system/ [02:48:27] <claws_bugs> ? [02:48:46] *** Megaf has quit IRC [02:49:09] <jbk> most in here think so :) [02:49:26] <nachox> the one with the killer filesystem is linux, reiserfs already took hans' wife [02:49:35] *** JBeck has quit IRC [02:50:34] <jamesd> nachox, that was a killer's filesystem... it wasn't a killer... XFS is the best filesystem that linux ever had if you account for features and staibility. [02:52:00] <dlg> thats a harsh critique of the other linux filesystems [02:52:05] <dlg> but fair :) [02:52:29] <nachox> jamesd, i heard nightmares about all the filesystems i know of including XFS, the only true protection are backups [02:53:23] <jamesd> well i have never lost a single byte of data on XFS including the one i used on a box with a system with defective ram... [02:54:16] <kjetilho> lucky you [02:54:42] <nachox> jamesd, in any case, you cannot use XFS if you use kickstart, that's bad [02:55:41] *** koolniczka has quit IRC [02:56:00] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris [02:56:10] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [02:59:43] * moazamraja is anxiously waiting for b75 now :/ [03:00:18] <Triskelios> moazamraja: well... b75a respin [03:00:36] <moazamraja> yeah [03:00:38] <nachox> why? what's new? [03:00:47] <moazamraja> xen and some fixes [03:00:52] <moazamraja> but mainly, i'm installing on a new laptop [03:00:57] <moazamraja> and i'd rather not install twice [03:01:02] <moazamraja> if it's just a couple days away [03:01:46] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [03:06:46] *** noyb has quit IRC [03:08:32] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris [03:09:18] <Teltariat> greetings. folks [03:10:32] <jamesd> hi [03:10:37] <jbk> hello [03:10:51] <myrkraverk> is xen in 75? [03:11:20] <claws_bugs> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bscwfk1&s=bsd&fb=1&vw=classic [03:11:45] <Triskelios> myrkraverk: yeah, it is [03:12:02] <Triskelios> "xVM" [03:12:15] <Teltariat> Can anyone tell me more about the DOORs API? As far as I can tell, its another way of doing IPC that exists only for Solaris? If so, why isn't it used more often, and is it superior to the other more traditional methods for IPC? [03:13:28] <nachox> it is used extensively for zones i think [03:13:53] <myrkraverk> yay, must upgrade then ;) [03:13:59] <jbk> well it's used a fair amount in solaris [03:14:02] <jbk> but is specific to solaris [03:14:22] <myrkraverk> there *is* a linux implementation too [03:14:27] <Teltariat> Does it give better performance on Solaris as compared to the other methods? [03:14:29] <nachox> i think i found some linux implementation too [03:14:39] <jbk> is it actually being maintained [03:14:40] <jbk> ? [03:14:54] <jbk> but it's more of a fast ipc [03:14:57] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [03:14:57] <myrkraverk> jbk, I *think* so, or, seemed to be, last time I checked [03:15:04] <movement> there's a doors paper to read somewhere, from years ago [03:15:32] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [03:15:37] <myrkraverk> there's also a mention of it in the solaris interfaces guide, iirc [03:15:44] <myrkraverk> and why/how you should use it [03:15:53] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [03:15:59] <Teltariat> So for example, if someone wanted to write a massive trading app that performed as fast as possible IPC, then one would definitely go with DOORs right? [03:16:15] <myrkraverk> (still haven't played with ipc, so haven't teste it yet) [03:16:28] <Teltariat> Me neither, I'm just curious [03:16:30] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, only if the app is multithreaded [03:16:42] <sommerfeld> doors are used for a bunch of things, including IPC with nscd [03:16:51] <Teltariat> well that the app would be multithreaded goes without saying, if we're talking about using DOORs. :) [03:17:28] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, then I believe the fastest ipc you can get in solaris is doors (otherwise, there wouldn't be much point in it) * [03:17:44] <myrkraverk> * however, I personally would actually implement everything, and measure [03:17:46] <sommerfeld> when you make a door call, you essentially donate the CPU you're running on to an idle worker thread in the door server. [03:18:21] <sommerfeld> it runs some code in the context of the server, then does a door_return, which performs the reverse cpu handoff. [03:18:39] <Teltariat> sommerfeld: There is a door daemon listening somewhere? In the kernel, or must you run it? Thats interesting.... [03:19:22] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, a door daemon thread, is blocked at listening for a connection, it wakes up when you call it [03:19:31] <Teltariat> So must you inform the door server that "Hey, my app might be handing off _THIS_ much data to you" and etc? Must the door server be informed how much memory your app may use? [03:19:36] <sommerfeld> to use a specific example, nscd creates a door in /var/run/name_service_door and sets up a pook of threads to service the door [03:19:38] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, I assume you make your own server/daemon ;) [03:19:43] <Teltariat> oh [03:19:59] <Teltariat> thats interesting [03:20:13] <sommerfeld> app comes along and does a door_open on that door and then a series of door_call()s [03:21:05] <sommerfeld> so, fast synchronous IPC. if you need something asynchronous, doors aren't it. [03:21:27] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [03:23:02] * Teltariat bows down to sommerfeld's eternal wisdom [03:23:05] <Teltariat> Thanks. [03:23:12] <Teltariat> You too, myrkraverk [03:23:31] *** Nishaway has quit IRC [03:23:32] * Teltariat does the "I am not worthy." prostration [03:23:33] <sommerfeld> thank you [03:23:48] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, I think you should dig up and check the interfaces guide (I think that's the name) [03:23:53] <myrkraverk> ;) [03:24:10] <Teltariat> Only thing I found on my system (man page-wise), is 'libdoor(3LIB) [03:24:33] <delewis> doors are also covered in Solaris Systems Programming [03:24:42] <sommerfeld> door_call(3C) door_create(3C) [03:25:07] <myrkraverk> Teltariat, I'm talking about a book in the solaris [10] developers guide section [03:25:21] <ottom> door_foo(3door) on S10 [03:26:10] <Teltariat> Oh. I don't own that book... [03:26:28] <Teltariat> Maybe I didn't install a package? Because I'm missing all the door_foo() manual pages [03:26:32] <delewis> I try not to recommend it for anything but Solaris-specific topics. [03:26:40] <delewis> (but we won't get on the subject of that) [03:26:45] <Teltariat> delewis: I certainly don't mind [03:27:01] <delewis> if you're that interested in doors, you might be able to justify the price of purchasing it. [03:27:24] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:27:33] <Teltariat> I simply want to go from being the stupid clownish fool that I am now to someone a lot more proficient in _truly_ taking advantage of his operating system. [03:30:52] *** stevel has quit IRC [03:31:36] <sommerfeld> Teltariat: that man page should be in SUNWman on solaris [03:31:45] <sommerfeld> (ah, right, it was moved from -ldoor to -lc in nevada) [03:31:53] <Teltariat> SUNWman is installed [03:32:38] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [03:32:57] <Teltariat> Alright, I see them. Thanks [03:33:14] <Teltariat> I see, its now part of Solaris' standard C library [03:33:25] <Teltariat> just as you said [03:34:49] *** comay has quit IRC [03:40:05] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [04:01:18] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [04:03:35] *** hsn_ has joined #opensolaris [04:04:04] <hsn_> is there place to report failed installs? [04:05:08] <g4lt-sb100> anyone that would care is probably here [04:05:57] <dlg> on 75 is out, how long till sxce 75 is out? [04:09:36] *** noyb has quit IRC [04:10:37] <jbk> i believe it's being respun [04:11:13] <hsn_> installator hangs after detecting nic (but failed to configure it), without NIC card installator hangs at same place too [04:16:08] *** victori_ has quit IRC [04:18:19] *** jHoNDoE has quit IRC [04:18:55] *** rachel has joined #opensolaris [04:19:34] *** rachel has quit IRC [04:20:09] <jbk> perhaps it's the step right after it detects the nic [04:22:26] <hsn_> yes [04:22:47] <jbk> you could try booting the kernel debugger, and breaking it after it hangs [04:22:52] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [04:23:17] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC [04:28:18] <dsch04> Here's a quickie: where's the default runlevel defined? [04:28:30] <e^ipi> obsolete concept [04:28:33] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris [04:28:33] <dsch04> I want to boot to level 3 [04:28:44] <e^ipi> that's a meaningless thing to say [04:28:55] <dsch04> Ok, let me rephrase the question: I want to start the server without starting X [04:28:56] <nachox> solaris 10 has milestones [04:28:57] <e^ipi> there are SMF milestones [04:29:06] <jbk> ok, disable the cde-login service [04:29:07] <e^ipi> svcadm disable cde-login [04:29:07] * dsch04 new to Solaris [04:29:20] <nachox> dsch04, just disable cde-login with svcadm [04:29:23] <dsch04> k [04:29:24] <dsch04> thx [04:29:27] <jbk> heh.. #opensolaris.. in stereo :) [04:29:30] <e^ipi> as root, or a user with sufficient RBAC privileges [04:29:39] <e^ipi> type what I posted above [04:29:42] *** dlg has quit IRC [04:30:10] <dsch04> e^ipi, not that new! :) [04:30:19] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [04:30:20] <nachox> e^ipi, no, let him find a vulnerability, exploit it, gain root acess and disable the service :) [04:30:20] <e^ipi> ? [04:30:31] <e^ipi> you know about RBAC already ? [04:30:46] <dsch04> I mean I know what svcadm is/does [04:30:51] <dsch04> And RBAC [04:32:03] <nachox> funny, lots and lots of admins do not know or care about rbac :) [04:32:34] <jbk> which is unfortunate, so much more useful than the alternatives [04:32:45] <jbk> though at a cost of increased complexity [04:33:10] <dsch04> Is there a good OpenSolaris admin book a vailable/ [04:33:38] <nachox> docs.sun.com, just get the solaris 10 ones [04:33:45] <jbk> the only book i know of specific to opensolaris is in german [04:34:03] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [04:34:06] <dsch04> OK, is there a good Solaris one? [04:34:20] <nachox> you will not find any book about administering opensolaris because you cannot use opensolaris, you just use opensolaris based distributions [04:35:03] <e^ipi> dsch04: the stuff on docs.sun.com are pretty decent [04:35:04] <myrkraverk> just like one does not find information about administering the linux kernel ;-P [04:35:09] <e^ipi> and blogs.sun.com [04:35:54] <dsch04> Yeah, online is good, but I find real books useful and easier to read on the toilet! :( [04:35:55] *** kloczek has quit IRC [04:36:05] *** dlg has joined #Opensolaris [04:36:06] <dsch04> Ooops. Was meant to be :) [04:36:11] <jbk> ahh a library person [04:36:12] <jbk> :) [04:36:40] <dsch04> I use online docs/blogs/google all the time [04:37:01] <dsch04> But I find a good read of a real book puts things in my mind for looking up online later [04:38:25] <jbk> can always download them as pdfs then print them [04:38:29] <e^ipi> heh [04:38:38] <dsch04> Heh [04:39:04] <nachox> and once you're done with them and are in the toilet.... ;) [04:39:20] <dsch04> lol [04:39:46] <e^ipi> if you look for solaris10 books, most of the info transfers over, but they might leave out some stuff ( ZFS may or may not be covered, brandZ won't, etc) [04:39:58] <dsch04> So, you can't point me at a good solaris "in a nutshell" book covering essential admin procedures? [04:40:42] <dsch04> I need coverage of the basics - I'm coming from linux, so I know what I need to do, but don't know the equivalent Solartis commands [04:41:30] <nachox> you can BUY the books at docs.sun.com [04:41:32] <e^ipi> *shrug* I'm a linux migrant, fwiw, but I never bought any book [04:41:59] <nachox> e^ipi, dont you feel really special? :) [04:42:06] <dsch04> Stuff like; what's the equivalent of "top" and "free" ? [04:42:28] <e^ipi> prstat [04:42:41] <myrkraverk> dsch04, there are some "rosetta" documents on the web [04:42:48] <e^ipi> and vmstat [04:42:54] <dsch04> Oooh, show me show me [04:43:19] <myrkraverk> see /topic of #solaris iirc [04:43:20] <jmcp> dsch04: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/immigrants/ [04:43:52] <dsch04> Perfect! [04:44:17] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [04:50:21] *** hsn_ has quit IRC [04:51:51] <jbk> strange [04:51:56] <jbk> nscd was on the fritz [04:52:02] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [04:52:46] <nachox> on the what? [04:53:30] <kjetilho> blink [04:54:23] <kjetilho> (if you know British English better...) [04:54:24] <jbk> broken [04:56:25] <nachox> i know some spanglish, is that enough? [04:56:56] <kjetilho> clearly not ;-) [04:58:13] *** echaz has joined #opensolaris [04:58:32] *** mog has left #opensolaris [04:58:42] <echaz> I have a hardware question.... is anyone available??? [04:58:56] *** mog has joined #opensolaris [04:59:08] <jmcp> nope, I'm married [04:59:13] <e^ipi> don't ask to ask, just ask [04:59:14] <jbk> *rimshot* [04:59:16] <jmcp> I might be able to help with your hw question [04:59:19] <jmcp> jbk: :-) [04:59:53] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [05:00:04] <echaz> I have a full sata controller in my solaris 10 machine [05:00:08] <echaz> 4 drives.... [05:00:46] <echaz> and I got a dead laptop that I want to save data off of [05:00:58] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris [05:01:21] <echaz> so I got to get a new controller to be able to do anything.... [05:01:32] <echaz> should I worry about it being incompatible with solaris? [05:01:45] <e^ipi> yes [05:01:54] <echaz> do you have any suggestions? [05:02:08] <jmcp> sun.com/bigadmin/hcl is a good place to start looking [05:02:10] <echaz> there are a few off the hcl, but those are all over two years old.... [05:02:36] <jmcp> and? [05:02:51] <echaz> I guess I am a snob..... [05:02:54] <echaz> you are right.... [05:03:32] <jmcp> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sx/components/views/disk_controller_all_results.techType.page1.html [05:03:41] *** mog has quit IRC [05:04:25] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris [05:05:44] <echaz> I was hoping that controllers were like dvd drives, and you could use anything [05:06:01] <jmcp> nope [05:06:02] <e^ipi> that would imply some sort of standard [05:07:05] <jmcp> more to the point, it would mean that every controller would have to operate the same way at the register level [05:15:24] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [05:26:27] *** victori_ has quit IRC [05:27:29] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [05:28:06] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [05:29:40] *** sleepcat2 has joined #opensolaris [05:33:29] <jbk> jmcp: diff is on it's way [05:33:54] <sleepcat2> can a normal person ever understand the opensolaris code? [05:34:11] <jmcp> jbalint: neat, thankyou [05:34:16] <jmcp> sleepcat2: yeah [05:34:24] <jbk> along with an attempt at the text for an arc fast track :) [05:34:25] <jmcp> assuming you have some knowledge of C [05:34:33] <jmcp> jbk: excellent [05:34:34] <sleepcat2> it seems that only a kernel developer with 20 years of UNIX experience would understand the inner workings [05:34:38] <jbk> sleepcat2: define 'normal' :) [05:34:41] <sleepcat2> i know C [05:34:47] <jmcp> sleepcat2: nope, that's waaaaay too pessimistic [05:35:02] <sleepcat2> that doesn't mean I know what is going on in the kernel code [05:35:20] <jbk> i'm not a kernel developer, nor do i have 20 years of unix experience, and I seem to do alright at understanding it.. [05:35:27] <jmcp> sleepcat2: it often helps to read the explanatory memoranda that go with the code [05:35:34] <sleepcat2> how much experience do you have, jbk? [05:35:35] <jmcp> ie " Solaris Internals 2nd Edition" ;-) [05:35:40] <sleepcat2> ah [05:35:42] <sleepcat2> read a book [05:35:51] <sleepcat2> that always helps I guess. [05:36:08] <sleepcat2> I was browsing the source and thinking, wow, this stuff is complicated [05:36:09] <jbk> well i've been using unix for about 10 years or so.. since around my senior year of HS [05:36:20] <jbk> and i'm not a professional programmer either [05:36:26] <jbk> just a lowly sysadmin :) [05:36:31] <movement> sleepcat2: well, you start small, then work up. nobody knows /everything/ [05:36:35] <movement> not possible these days. [05:36:59] <jbk> true [05:37:18] <movement> just avoid the most heinously complicated bits for now :) [05:37:21] <sleepcat2> I saw a pic of bryan cantrill and he looks like a kid almost [05:37:23] <jbk> i don't think even the kernel engineers at sun know _all_ of the kernel -- seems like things tend to be at least somewhat divided [05:37:40] <sleepcat2> he must be a genius [05:37:41] <jbk> such as network, etc. [05:37:58] <sleepcat2> drivers seem like the place to be [05:38:10] <jmcp> sleepcat2: bmc *is* a genius [05:38:13] <jbk> hehe [05:38:17] <jmcp> sleepcat2: I write drivers [05:38:25] <movement> but he *has* kids not looks like one :) [05:38:33] <jmcp> herh [05:38:50] <sleepcat2> shouldn't they not allow you anywhere near the kernel until you're a grey beard? [05:38:55] <jmcp> hehe [05:38:55] <jbk> he also seems to be known for talking really fast [05:38:58] <jmcp> sleepcat2: dye it [05:39:08] <jmcp> jbk: you better believe it [05:39:28] <jbk> sleepcat2: you should have seen the developers summit last weekend.. don't think i saw a single pair of suspenders [05:39:38] <jbk> and very few beards [05:39:41] <sleepcat2> they are getting younger...? [05:40:07] <nachox> old blokes are being fired? :P [05:40:17] <jbk> http://alobbs.com/album/opensolaris_dev07_mugshots [05:40:46] <jmcp> nachox: nope, they're just shaving off the bears [05:40:57] <nachox> hehe [05:41:49] <jmcp> wow ... Al Hopper even *looks* like he could be a curmudgeon :-) [05:42:06] <jbk> hahaha [05:42:11] <e^ipi> yeah, we're witnessing the death of the unix beard [05:42:27] * jmcp sees the photo of nrubsig [05:42:32] <jmcp> golly [05:42:34] <jbk> i think me & Al probably bored e^ipi to death sunday night :) [05:42:39] <jmcp> ... and jbk [05:42:54] <e^ipi> jbk: I had a good time on sunday actually [05:43:12] <jbk> hearing all the war stories of inept network admins? :) [05:43:13] <e^ipi> not a lot to contribute to that conversation, but listening is good [05:43:22] <e^ipi> it was entertaining anyways [05:44:01] <jmcp> jbk: did you ask Jerry Jelinek whether he'd seen Sarah Connor? [05:44:06] <nachox> being so far away sucks [05:44:17] <e^ipi> nachox: ? [05:44:22] <jbk> jmcp: ? [05:44:41] <jmcp> jbk: I reckon he looks like the Terminator T1000 [05:44:42] <jmcp> :) [05:44:43] <jbk> oh hahaha [05:44:48] <jbk> actually speaking of resemblences [05:44:54] <jbk> i surprised no one said anything to me.. [05:45:02] <nachox> e^ipi, i'm half the world away from there and i would have loved to be tbere [05:45:10] <jbk> i usually get at least one.. [05:45:17] <jmcp> ditto [05:45:26] <e^ipi> nachox: sun shipped bochnig and schilly out [05:45:30] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [05:46:09] <nachox> e^ipi, they are opensolaris developers and head of 2 opensolaris distros, i'm not :P [05:46:41] <e^ipi> the next one's in europe anyways IIRC [05:46:57] <jbk> heh speaking of al.. i had only vaguely heard about the save solaris x86 story prior to that weekend (I knew a few vague details, but that was it), so out of curiousity, I found a copy of the ad... man.. no punches were pulled :) [05:47:03] <nachox> which means it is even further away :) [05:47:07] <jbk> e^ipi: i don't think they've decided yet [05:47:33] <nachox> jbk, what stories? [05:47:36] <jbk> sara actually talked about possibly austin as well -- having it at the same time as south by southwest would be wild :) [05:48:26] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [05:48:31] <jmcp> was any particular date mooted for the next one? [05:48:37] <jbk> probably sometime in march [05:48:50] <jmcp> right [05:49:02] <jmcp> might see whether I can get my manager to pay for me to go along [05:49:10] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris [05:49:22] *** comay has quit IRC [05:50:07] <jbk> nachox: basically several years ago, sun mgmt decided to 'indefinately delay' solaris 9 x86, upsetting a lot of solaris enthusasists, so a few of them places a half page ad in the san jose mercury news (local newspaper that they knew the sun exec read) that was pretty scathing the headline was 'shame on you scott [mcnealy]' [05:50:24] <jbk> of course that's all history now [05:50:41] <nachox> hahah [05:50:55] <sleepcat2> how the hell did enthusiasts have enough moolla to take out an ad? [05:50:58] <jmcp> fortunately for Sun, a lot of Engineering just kept on building Solaris/x86 [05:50:59] <jbk> and of course sun realigned it's priorities wrt to x86 as you can tell.. [05:51:15] <jbk> jmcp: i also heard a lot of them put that ad up outside their offices as well :) [05:51:16] <jmcp> figuring that when managementt was brought to its senses they'd be ready [05:51:26] <jmcp> I hadn't heard that, but I'm not surprised [05:51:33] <nachox> many of the coolest solaris features are appearing in x86 first these days [05:51:43] <jmcp> I recall emailing JS and Scott about it [05:51:50] <sleepcat2> that's because x86 is what most ppl have [05:52:02] <nachox> zfs boot for one [05:52:07] <jbk> nachox: they pooled their money.. i guess it was around $7k or so.. [05:52:16] <jbk> nachox: that was just coincidence [05:52:26] <sleepcat2> 7 K for an ad? [05:52:27] <jbk> the netboot x86 stuff happened to make it a lot easier [05:52:29] <sleepcat2> ouch. ouch [05:52:35] <jbk> sleepcat2: a whole half page of a newspaper [05:52:49] <sleepcat2> you can buy a lot of hookers and booze for that [05:52:58] <nachox> jbk, branded zones, xVM [05:53:22] <jmcp> sleepcat2: not just any newspaper, but the paper which you'd probably call Sun's default newspaper [05:53:39] <e^ipi> nachox: so, those are only really x86 specific features [05:53:43] <sleepcat2> now owned my Microsoft [05:53:50] <jbk> www.save-solaris.org/sjmercurynews-20020903.pdf [05:53:51] <sleepcat2> s/my/by [05:53:52] <e^ipi> as in, it doesn't make sense to have them in !x86 [05:54:19] <nachox> i would agree, but those still appeared in x86 first :P [05:54:32] <jbk> *Shrug* [05:54:37] <jbk> ldoms appeared in sparc first [05:54:51] <nachox> too tied to the hardware, does not count [05:55:08] <e^ipi> and xen isn't? [05:55:23] <nachox> of course it is, but i am setting the rules [05:55:28] <jbk> hehe [05:55:33] <movement> what a great way to win an argument :) [05:55:59] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [05:56:30] <jbk> jmcp: so was everyone how you pictured them? [05:56:35] <sleepcat2> wow, read that ad, it looks like scott made a lot of bad decisions as the head of sun [05:57:22] <jmcp> jbk: yes and no [05:57:25] <jbk> sleepcat2: well like i said, it's all history now, but was bit of an amusing story [05:57:26] <jmcp> some were older, some were younger [05:58:38] *** plocher has quit IRC [05:59:33] <jbk> i was surprised that there were as many non-sun people as there were [05:59:51] <jbk> i figured it'd be me, e^ipi, nrubsig, and schily [06:00:24] <nachox> roland was also shipped by sun? [06:00:52] <e^ipi> i think so, he might've paid his own way [06:01:10] <nachox> i really thought schilly would look more like sch though but now that i see his pic... [06:01:39] <sleepcat2> someone should put a screenshots section on the opensolaris website [06:01:56] <sleepcat2> and update it with every sxce version.. [06:01:59] <e^ipi> because that's a great way to evaluate an OS... screenshots [06:02:10] <sleepcat2> yes [06:02:15] <sleepcat2> the best way [06:02:19] <nachox> every project has the ability to add screenshots to it's home page [06:02:29] <e^ipi> it tells you what colour scheme was chosen, that's about it [06:02:30] <nachox> screenshots do scale :P [06:02:33] <jbk> though speaking of the 'old greybeards' bit.. i just for some reason remembered how jay cotton introduced himself.. 'I started working on X10.. I remember when Keith [Packard] had hair' [06:03:02] <e^ipi> (hint: sun uses yellow and blue for everything) [06:03:24] <e^ipi> though in fairness new JDS is less sun-looking [06:03:25] <nachox> e^ipi, dont forget that nasty violet [06:03:46] <e^ipi> nachox: yeah, solaris9 era bright yellow and violet was pretty awful to look at [06:03:53] <jbk> heh [06:04:05] <jbk> my former employer uses yellow & black [06:04:16] <jbk> made for awful screensavers on the desktops :) [06:05:03] *** Megaf is now known as MegAFK [06:05:31] <e^ipi> like a bumblebee... [06:05:46] <jbk> http://www.flickr.com/groups/571298@N22/ <-- few other pics from the conference [06:08:36] <nachox> e^ipi, screenshot tours are a nice way to attract new desktop users though [06:08:53] <nachox> and compiz wins extra points [06:09:02] <jbk> heh.. i guess dave stewart was sitting almost directly behind me for a lot of the discussions :) [06:09:14] <e^ipi> but you can make anything look like anything with screenshots [06:09:41] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [06:09:42] <e^ipi> you can run x11 on macOSX with gnome and the themes used in redhat, they'll look identical but will act wildly different [06:09:59] <e^ipi> because they're nowhere near the same thing [06:10:06] <nachox> yes, but once you've shown a screenshot you have to deliver accordingly [06:10:17] <e^ipi> so what, you slap a theme down [06:10:23] <e^ipi> takes a couple mins. [06:10:34] <e^ipi> voila, delivered [06:10:50] <nachox> i'm not saying it's ok, i'm only saying it is effective [06:12:25] *** jmcp has quit IRC [06:12:31] *** blah__ has joined #opensolaris [06:13:42] *** victori_ has quit IRC [06:14:20] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [06:14:50] *** blah__ has quit IRC [06:15:12] *** blah__ has joined #opensolaris [06:15:45] *** blah__ is now known as blah [06:15:56] <nachox> wow, what was that small box with a harddrive? [06:16:23] <jbk> not sure [06:17:04] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [06:17:20] <e^ipi> they were touting it as the world's smallest solaris server [06:17:23] *** blah has quit IRC [06:17:36] <e^ipi> it was a celeron or a via chip or something on a mini-itx board [06:18:12] <nachox> a custom made? [06:18:21] <e^ipi> i guess, yeah [06:19:52] *** noyb has quit IRC [06:19:56] *** plocher_ has joined #opensolaris [06:20:41] <nachox> "the smallest solaris server all with intel parts" :P [06:20:43] *** echaz has quit IRC [06:21:26] *** ashner has quit IRC [06:23:35] <sleepcat2> trust me, screenshots and looks matter to people more than the other stuff [06:23:47] <sleepcat2> if it looks good, people assume it is good [06:24:21] <sleepcat2> as Bill Gates said, "if you can't make it good at least make it look good" [06:24:56] *** laca has quit IRC [06:25:07] <nachox> wasnt that steve jobs? [06:25:29] <sleepcat2> no, steve jobs is more a a form follows function guy [06:25:42] <sleepcat2> for steve, it has to look good and work well [06:25:57] <jbk> yeah, M$ was never known for it's asthetics :) [06:26:15] <sleepcat2> actually, MS is quite good, they sell what the market wants [06:26:26] <jbk> but it tends to look ugly :) [06:26:41] <sleepcat2> when the market wanted a cheap OS that does something barely, they made it [06:27:19] <sleepcat2> when reliability and security became an issue, the patched up XP and released win 2003 server [06:27:48] <nachox> i used to wonder why he picked obj-c instead of c++... till i used C++ [06:28:11] <sleepcat2> nachox: to be special, no doubt [06:28:59] <nachox> i cant understand how can anyone like C++, it's full of corner cases [06:29:13] *** echaz has joined #opensolaris [06:29:22] <jbk> the exception is the rule :) [06:29:33] <echaz> anyone know how to create a boot disk on usb for solaris? [06:30:19] *** spackest has joined #opensolaris [06:30:20] <sleepcat2> echaz: most likely it is more complex than mounting a cdrom using the command line [06:30:56] <sleepcat2> ls -al /dev/sr* |awk '{print "/" $11}' [06:31:05] *** spackest has left #opensolaris [06:31:21] <sleepcat2> then, mount -F hsfs -o ro /dev/dsk/c0t6d0s2 /cdrom/unnamed_cdrom [06:31:22] <nachox> /dev/sr? [06:31:24] <jbk> echaz: wait for indiana preview.. should make it a lot easier [06:31:51] <sleepcat2> someone needs to make command line mounting easier than this! [06:32:30] <jbk> umm [06:32:35] <jbk> it should mount automatically [06:32:36] <echaz> I am too cheap to get a dvd drive [06:32:51] <nachox> nod [06:33:00] <nachox> hald takes care of that in nevada [06:33:05] <jbk> yeah [06:33:32] *** sriramnrn_ has joined #opensolaris [06:33:39] <sriramnrn_> echaz: Ali Gulecha's USB booting for Belenix gives you Solaris on USB [06:34:10] <sriramnrn_> echaz: Sorry, the name is Anil Gulecha [06:34:15] <nachox> otherwise there is always rmformat and rmmount i guess [06:34:36] <echaz> thanks sri, but I would need to get a dvd drive to do that too :) [06:35:25] <echaz> the instructions are to boot from a live cd, and then run a script from that live cd :( [06:35:49] <jbk> do you have solaris running now? [06:35:54] <sleepcat2> when is the indiana preview supposed to be out? [06:35:59] <jbk> if so, why not lofi mount the iso [06:36:02] <jbk> ? [06:36:07] <jbk> sleepcat2: sometime this month [06:36:43] <nachox> i wonder how the packaging guys are doing [06:37:07] <nachox> i'd be really surprised if they reached usability this fast [06:37:11] *** plocher has quit IRC [06:37:13] <sleepcat2> how is indiana different from SXCE? [06:37:26] * sleepcat2 writes down the scoop [06:37:47] <nachox> different release schedule, different packaging, different aim, different support [06:38:05] <sleepcat2> so splitting the market even further? [06:38:13] <g4lt-sb100> basically [06:38:16] <sleepcat2> that's stupid [06:38:26] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [06:38:47] <nachox> people that like solaris the way it is can still use good old solaris [06:39:07] <jbk> well keep in mind [06:39:08] <sleepcat2> or they can forget about the million ways to do thing in unix and just stick with windows [06:39:19] <g4lt-sb100> with the added bonus of telling the installed base that they suck [06:39:20] <jbk> IPS at this point is nothing more than a prototype [06:39:45] <jbk> it still has to go through all the same processes anything else does before it becomes part of opensolaris [06:40:18] <jbk> indiana is going to probably replace sxde (or perhaps sxce), my guess is that any changes between the two will probably end up being minor [06:40:25] <jbk> so it's not really splitting the market [06:40:34] <nachox> i think indiana was the management way to create a major solaris release, incompatible with the older solaris [06:40:39] <sleepcat2> the GPL 3 vs the GPL2 battle is going to fragment linux, [06:40:42] <jbk> no [06:40:42] <jbk> no [06:40:43] <jbk> no [06:40:44] <jbk> no [06:40:45] <jbk> no [06:40:56] <jbk> nyet [06:40:58] <jbk> nicht [06:40:59] <jbk> non [06:41:21] <jbk> everyone, and i mean everyone is in violent agreement about incompatability [06:41:24] <sleepcat2> and now Opensolaris will have SXCE, Solaris, Project Indiana, Genix(sp) [06:41:28] <sleepcat2> Shillix [06:41:39] <nachox> "no" is written the same way in 5 different languages? [06:41:45] <g4lt-sb100> jbk what, taht it WILL be incompatible? [06:41:50] <jbk> and if indiana replaces sxde, how will that be any different' [06:41:55] <jbk> that it will NOT be incompatible [06:42:12] <nachox> jbk, i dont think packaging will be compatible for example [06:42:19] <sleepcat2> and when it comes time to recommed a version to the boss, we will stare doe eyed into space [06:42:20] *** echaz has quit IRC [06:42:43] <jbk> sleepcat2: the number isn't going to change [06:42:47] <jbk> of distros [06:42:49] <jbk> because of indiana [06:42:56] <jbk> so how is the situation any different from today? [06:43:20] <jbk> nachox: if IPS becomes the new standard, it can already read sysv packages [06:43:27] <g4lt-sb100> right, it wiull still have the same number of working distros, just one more dysfunctional one [06:43:44] *** MegAFK is now known as Megaf [06:43:48] <jbk> and i would be quite surprised if they could get it integrated without providing compatability pkg* commands [06:44:07] <jbk> g4lt-sb100: and please tell me, how do you know this? [06:44:26] <nachox> jbk, indiana doesnt have an arc to deal with that afaic [06:44:41] <g4lt-sb100> a, right, the schitzoid press releases mean nothing, it's nicely functional [06:44:51] <jbk> g4lt-sb100: ever deal with the press? [06:45:25] <g4lt-sb100> did anybody in the press lie? [06:45:46] <jbk> when's the last time you saw any reporter that could do more than turn on a computer (if you were lucky)? [06:46:05] <jbk> they often mangle stuff, often pretty horribly [06:46:22] <jbk> not one person [06:46:23] <jbk> not one [06:46:36] <sleepcat2> hehe [06:46:37] <jbk> said anything about breaking the existing rules for compatability that have been in solaris [06:46:40] <movement> spokespeople/execs half-mangle it, then the press does the rest. [06:46:48] <sleepcat2> i remember a reporter coming to do a story [06:46:58] <sleepcat2> and they told us it was about one thing [06:47:01] <movement> jbk: uh, really? [06:47:14] <sleepcat2> and when we saw the paper, it was completely something else [06:47:21] <jbk> keep in mind [06:47:31] <jbk> long before indiana existed [06:47:40] <jbk> there were different levels of 'compatability' [06:47:49] <jbk> the whole interface taxonony [06:48:04] <sleepcat2> now with indiana there is one more level of "compatibility" [06:48:11] <jbk> no [06:48:28] <jbk> basically the same rules applied [06:48:45] <jbk> even long before indiana existed, certain things were incompatible [06:48:52] <jbk> install veritas volume manager or file system [06:48:56] <jbk> go look in /kernel/drv [06:49:05] <jbk> you'll see a different version for each solaris version [06:49:09] <jbk> because of incompatible changes [06:49:10] <movement> jbk: then why does murdock rockwood et al constantly go on about compatibility? [06:49:20] <nachox> damn, almost 2, i have to be up in 6 hours [06:49:22] <movement> I don't understand why you'd mention it if nothing is changing [06:49:27] <jbk> just those things that changed are the ones they never said wouldn't [06:49:34] <jbk> actually [06:49:36] <nachox> night guys [06:49:41] <g4lt-sb100> right, SUNWvxvm is pretty standard, no? [06:49:43] *** sriramnrn has quit IRC [06:49:44] <jbk> it was usually to emphasize that unlike linux, which does change [06:49:50] <jbk> g4lt-sb100: go install it [06:49:54] <jbk> go look in /kernel/drv [06:49:57] <jbk> do it [06:50:06] <nachox> install veritas first :) [06:50:07] <jbk> you'll see a separate driver for sunos 5.8, 5.9, and 5.10 [06:50:16] <Tempt> Just because VRTS can't get their shit together .. [06:50:21] <jbk> no [06:50:29] <g4lt-sb100> I'll tell you what, you find me SUNWvxvm, I'll install it [06:50:30] <jbk> because it uses interfaces sun never said wouldn't change [06:50:31] *** bengtf has quit IRC [06:50:42] <nachox> there are no stable interfaces for filesystems [06:50:49] <jbk> correct [06:51:11] <jbk> but nothing about indiana is changing any of that [06:51:14] <jbk> though [06:51:22] <jbk> sun would sometimes be even more conservative [06:51:24] <sleepcat2> will indiana look cool? [06:51:39] <sleepcat2> screenshot make all the difference [06:51:44] <jbk> they always documented which interfaces could possibly change, and under which conditions [06:51:57] <jbk> some won't some might between os releases, some are 'subject to change without notice' [06:52:04] <jbk> it's been that way for years [06:52:20] <nachox> hell vold would have died ages ago otherwise :) [06:52:23] <movement> the only difference I can really find is that people are allowed to "put back" half-finished stuff into indiana [06:52:26] <jbk> though sun even sometimes was skiddish about even changing the 'subject to change without notice' ones, even when it'd make things better [06:52:29] <g4lt-sb100> right, but ian's other project, ANYTHING is subject to change AT ANY TIME [06:52:34] <movement> and it'll be redistributable (<---- yay!!!) [06:52:54] <sleepcat2> g4lt-sb100: that's the future [06:53:13] <jbk> g4lt-sb100: again, you must have some divine insight that no one else in the world has [06:53:13] <sleepcat2> even MS changes things now,whereas the old guard would bend over backwards for compatibility [06:53:21] <jbk> because no one has claimed that, ever [06:53:23] <sleepcat2> look at vista [06:54:02] <g4lt-sb100> jbk, are you denying tha tdebian will break anything at any time, just because they can? [06:54:17] <jbk> what relevance does debian have? [06:54:48] <g4lt-sb100> because ian of debian is pushing PI [06:55:14] <jbk> and he specifically states the break anything bit as one of the big problems with debian and linux in general [06:55:24] <jbk> and the lack of which being one of the big advantages of solaris [06:56:43] *** nachox has quit IRC [06:58:38] *** ACfromTX has quit IRC [06:58:54] *** ACfromTX has joined #opensolaris [06:59:05] <jbk> what i suspect is happening, is when ian starts talking about very specific qualities of debian or linux distributions that solaris lacks -- i.e. cannot redistribute it (legally) due to certain included bits -- no torrents, no 'boot off cd and download the rest from the internet', no 'point package program at some depot to update software', and that such defecits represent a disadvantage to opensolaris [06:59:32] <jbk> and that by closing those gaps, it gets munged into 'making solaris like linux' [06:59:39] <jbk> which misses the point [06:59:46] <movement> utterly. [06:59:47] <jbk> but the reporter likely doesn't know any better [06:59:53] <g4lt-sb100> that's because he actually uttered thoise words in the initial press release [07:00:22] <movement> he does seem to do a great job of confusing things, to be honest. [07:00:41] <jbk> I can't speculate to that [07:00:59] <jbk> I can say, in person, I don't think anyone had any issues misunderstanding him [07:01:45] <Tempt> Err [07:01:54] <movement> at the summit? most likely he's got his explanations clear enough now. [07:01:55] <Tempt> The "making solaris like linux" comes from speeches and presentations [07:02:06] <Tempt> not misunderstandings or 'munging' [07:02:18] <sleepcat2> is anyone here going to be in portland oregon on saturday? [07:02:25] <sleepcat2> for the postgresql conference? [07:02:43] <sleepcat2> it looks like SUN is one of the sponsors [07:03:03] <jbk> well the presentations i saw it was pretty clear [07:03:25] <jbk> that's all i can say with any sort of definitiveness [07:03:59] <Tempt> The whole Indiana thing is just so much noise-making beatup, anyway (IMHO) [07:04:14] <sleepcat2> Tempt: that's probably the intent [07:04:34] <sleepcat2> make a lot of noise, and hope people put off using linux [07:04:56] <jbk> it's really a tempest in a teapot [07:05:18] <jbk> the same compatability guarantees are still gonna be there [07:05:19] <dlg> anyone here use sam-fs? [07:05:37] <jbk> the biggest 'difference' is that it'll be redistributable, and more network-install friendly [07:05:50] <jbk> 'oh noes [07:05:51] <jbk> ' [07:07:00] <jbk> longer term, there is a bigger emphasis on the initial user experience, but again not without following the rules that are already there for compatability [07:07:30] *** sunmaster has joined #opensolaris [07:08:58] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [07:09:34] <Tempt> dlg: Frosty, but he hasn't been around for a while [07:09:38] <Tempt> !seen CSFrost [07:09:41] <Tempt> !seen FrostCS [07:10:00] <dlg> k [07:10:06] * dlg reading up on it [07:10:15] <Tempt> Looks pretty tasty, huh? [07:10:22] <dlg> yeah [07:11:05] <dlg> im surprised its not used more often [07:11:20] <g4lt-sb100> Tempt, drone ought to answer you in about 8-10 hours [07:13:08] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [07:14:32] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [07:16:58] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [07:17:44] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [07:20:10] *** elektronkind has quit IRC [07:24:33] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [07:25:03] *** victori_ has quit IRC [07:30:25] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [07:31:22] *** spackest has joined #opensolaris [07:32:02] <spackest> anyone here done a nexenta brandz zone on an opensolaris install? [07:37:07] <phrost> i'm suprised there are no *BSD brandz's yet [07:37:39] <spackest> what I really want is just to run mydns in a solaris zone, but I didn't have much luck [07:38:08] <spackest> couldn't get mydns and mysql and everything working together [07:38:13] *** plocher_ has quit IRC [07:38:27] <spackest> but there is a nexenta mydns package, so I thought I would give it a shot [07:41:15] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [07:41:16] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris [07:41:29] <phrost> what didn't work exactly [07:41:40] <phrost> i know mysql works on solaris, so i don't see why that simple(?) app wouldn't [07:41:41] *** wnorrix has quit IRC [07:42:06] <spackest> I had a hard time getting everything pointed to the right place [07:42:19] <spackest> the install process on mydns is not clean [07:42:24] <spackest> for me :) [07:44:01] *** tsoome has quit IRC [07:45:12] *** gentry- has joined #opensolaris [07:45:50] <gentry-> hey [07:46:49] *** chrisso has quit IRC [07:47:21] *** chrisso has joined #opensolaris [07:48:01] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [07:51:56] *** sunmaster has quit IRC [07:52:19] <Tempt> mydns ... a MySQL backed DNS? [07:52:41] <spackest> yeah [07:52:51] <spackest> for me, it is much nicer than bind [07:57:21] * delewis shudders [07:58:07] *** victori_ has quit IRC [07:58:28] <e^ipi> heh [07:58:31] *** Drone has quit IRC [07:58:44] <delewis> if your zones are large enough such that you'd need a DBMS, bdb or sqlite would work just as well. It has been my experience that 90% of the users of MySQL would be OK with sqlite, which is certainly simpler. [07:59:04] <Tempt> PowerDNS supports Oracle, I guess that should be beefy enough. [07:59:18] <gentry-> well, kinda a rule of thumb on dns databases to go as lightweight as possible [07:59:18] <Tempt> But I've seen huge production nameservers running perfectly well on bind, so .... [07:59:22] <Tempt> bind just works. [07:59:27] <delewis> right. [07:59:39] <spackest> I think mydns has it's own cache in front of the db, so I bet sqlite would be fine [07:59:53] <delewis> and MySQL doesn't provide huge performance gains, anyway. It's not like it is capable of utilizing the VxFS interfaces, for example, for block allocation. [07:59:54] <gentry-> I have never had a problem using bind either, for over 500k entries too. [07:59:57] <spackest> but I am betting I couldn't get that to build and mydns doesn't current support it [07:59:58] <Tempt> I'd tend to be that just about anything has to make more sense than mysql [08:00:59] <spackest> so, I am betting getting bind to work in solaris is pretty easy? [08:01:06] <delewis> uh, yeah. [08:01:21] <delewis> create your named.conf, create some zones, and svcadm enable network/dns/server [08:01:36] <delewis> getting Bind to work anywhere is relatively trivial. [08:01:43] <Tempt> gzcat bind-whatever.tar.gz | tar xvf - ; cd bind-whatever ; ./configure --prefix=/your/prefix && make && make install [08:01:44] <spackest> thanks [08:01:59] <myrkraverk> I think I can even run it on my ps2 ;-P [08:02:09] <gentry-> it got ported to linux, not from linux. [08:02:16] <delewis> spackest: if you're having trouble with Bind, go out and grab yourself a copy of 'DNS & Bind' (O'Reilly). [08:02:21] <spackest> I liked the rather dynamic nature of mydns [08:02:27] <myrkraverk> (though, getting solaris to work on it, is probably not as trivial) [08:02:34] <Tempt> I second delewis' recommendation [08:02:35] <delewis> spackest: dynamic? [08:02:38] <Tempt> That book makes DNS even easier [08:02:39] <delewis> edit your zone file, rndc reload. [08:02:43] <delewis> is that not dynamic enough for you? [08:02:55] <spackest> I went from bind to mydns and back to bind cause my mysql innodb tables got corrupted :) [08:03:08] <delewis> spackest: that's why the simplest solution is the best. [08:03:29] <spackest> delewis: yeah, I used to play with networking stuff, adding hosts and nodes pretty often and doing that via an insert was pretty nice [08:03:29] <e^ipi> yes, to hell with using the correct tools for the job [08:03:34] <gentry-> and this is why I use bind w/o all the extra cycles for some mysql hack. [08:05:14] <spackest> I have my zone files already, if I can turn bind on that easily, I will do that [08:05:26] <delewis> yep [08:05:32] <Tempt> I mean, if you need to make it 'easy' use some sort of frontend for editing your zonefiles [08:05:38] <Tempt> but don't mess with the heart of the matter [08:05:53] <spackest> so, when will perl be better supported? [08:06:04] <gentry-> yea exactly [08:06:06] <delewis> spackest: better supported? Perl has been in Solaris since forever. [08:06:10] <delewis> it's quite mature. [08:06:21] <spackest> delewis: uh, yeah [08:06:40] <delewis> well, Solaris 8. [08:06:41] <spackest> maybe blastwave messes me up or something [08:07:07] <spackest> I think this should work out of the box perl -MCPAN -e 'install Brackup' [08:07:10] <delewis> which shipped 5.00503 (according to perlsolaris(1)) [08:07:31] <spackest> but anything with C dependencies seems to always break [08:07:46] <spackest> see also http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5135030&start=15&tstart=0 [08:08:01] <spackest> which explains difficulties in getting DBD::mysql to work [08:08:05] <delewis> spackest: use perlgcc -MCPAN -e shell instead [08:08:16] <delewis> Perl modules are very compiler-dependent. [08:08:33] <gentry-> again, perl predates linux... [08:08:42] <gentry-> ported TO not from. [08:08:45] <delewis> If you build Perl with Sun Studio and compile modules with gcc or vice versa you're very likely to experience issues. [08:09:03] <spackest> perlgcc, huh? [08:09:17] <spackest> I will try it right now with DBD::mysql [08:09:28] <delewis> spackest: yes, that's the preferred way to build modules, nowadays. [08:09:41] <delewis> if it detects your Perl was compiled with Forte, it'll use Forte and gcc, otherwise. [08:09:44] <delewis> read perlgcc(1) [08:09:52] <jteo> intriguing. [08:09:56] <spackest> yeah, I have been doing something like perl Makefile.PL CC=gcc CCCDLFLAGS=-fPIC OPTIMIZE=" " LD=gcc [08:10:01] <moazamraja> grrr.... [08:10:02] <spackest> then hacking my Makefile [08:10:05] <delewis> spackest: yeah, *don't do that* [08:10:08] <moazamraja> stupid mediacard reader won't work [08:10:12] <delewis> just use perlgcc(1) and be done with it. [08:10:12] <moazamraja> or at least won't show up.. [08:10:12] <Tempt> And just use Sun's compiler. [08:10:15] <spackest> all I had [08:10:34] <delewis> spackest: Perl is also very dependent on compile-time flags. [08:11:02] <delewis> you're very likely to run into problems if you using compiler flags that defer from what Perl was built with. [08:11:05] <jteo> does perlgcc come with nv? [08:11:13] <delewis> jteo: comes with Solaris 10, so yes. [08:11:29] <delewis> //usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/perlgcc [08:12:00] *** sleepcat2 has quit IRC [08:12:09] <jteo> delewis: thanks dude. [08:12:10] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [08:12:56] <delewis> jteo: no problem. :-) [08:13:24] <spackest> no perlgcc in /opt/SUNWspro/bin /opt/coolstack/mysql_32bit/bin /opt/coolstack/bin /opt/csw/bin /usr/sfw/bin /usr/ccs/bin /usr/ucb /usr/sbin /usr/bin [08:13:32] * delewis just pasted the path.. [08:13:57] <spackest> but that is 5.8.4, and my perl -v says 5.8.8 [08:14:08] <delewis> spackest: so change it accordingly. :-) [08:14:13] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [08:15:19] <spackest> hmm, I just find perlgcc for 5.6.1 and 5.8.4 [08:15:37] <spackest> from a find / -name perlgcc [08:16:09] <spackest> SunOS svn.spack.net 5.11 snv_68 i86pc i386 i86pc [08:16:56] <delewis> spackest: it comes standard with the Perl packages that are shipped from Sun and those are what I use with very few exceptions (for example, the Perl that ships with Oracle for database connectivity) [08:18:20] <spackest> not in the coolstack stuff either [08:19:12] <delewis> looks like something that Alan Burlison wrote, so it's probably specific to the Perl packages that Sun ships with each Solaris releaes. [08:19:15] <delewis> release* [08:19:31] <spackest> so guessing that using /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/perlgcc for 5.8.8 will be problematic [08:19:53] <delewis> http://blogs.sun.com/fintanr/entry/perlgcc [08:19:58] <delewis> spackest: absolutely. [08:20:29] <delewis> actually, maybe not, given perlgcc just reads from various locations what build-time parameters that Perl was built with. [08:20:30] <spackest> delewis: do you see what I am getting at? :) [08:20:39] <Tempt> man [08:20:39] <delewis> no, I don't. [08:20:43] <Tempt> perl is misery these days. [08:20:51] <delewis> drop your custom Perl or whatever and use something that comes from your vendor. [08:21:05] <delewis> do you have any reason that you must use Perl 5.8.8? [08:21:11] <spackest> delewis: nope [08:21:19] <spackest> 5.8.4 is fine [08:21:23] <delewis> then use the Perl 5.8.4 that ships with Solaris and be done with it. [08:21:44] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [08:21:55] <spackest> seems like solaris should decide on 5.8.4 or 5.8.8 [08:22:12] <delewis> Sun isn't shipping 5.8.8 AFAIK. [08:22:25] <delewis> and you won't see a newer Perl until the next minor release. [08:22:33] <spackest> ok, maybe that's blastwave breaking me [08:22:48] <Tempt> If you must install an additional perl [08:22:50] <Tempt> use CSKperl [08:22:51] <Tempt> and be happy. [08:22:53] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:22:58] <spackest> yeah, I think so [08:22:59] <Tempt> If that isn't good enough, perl is an easy compile. [08:23:23] <delewis> I'd still say stick with the Perl that Sun ships with if you can. [08:23:28] <spackest> k, I will blow away my new zone, not install blastwave and use perlgcc? [08:23:32] <delewis> that's not always an option if you need something a newer Perl release provides. [08:23:33] <g4lt-sb100> SFEperl FTW ;P [08:23:42] <delewis> spackest: sounds like a plan. [08:23:51] <spackest> those blastwave perl packages are so nice though :) [08:23:56] <spackest> or at least they were :) [08:23:59] *** jHoNDoE has joined #opensolaris [08:24:05] <moazamraja> anyone have experience mounting SD/Memorystick cards on Solaris? [08:24:08] <moazamraja> (b73) [08:24:14] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris [08:24:43] <gentry-> yea they just work usually [08:24:59] <spackest> so is the subversion server as easy to get going in solaris as bind? [08:25:19] <gentry-> close... [08:25:20] <spackest> I was trying to just make a little zone, with an svn server and brackup [08:25:31] <spackest> if I can avoid blastwave, that would be great [08:25:44] <spackest> I found svn packages for sparc, but I am x86 [08:25:47] <gentry-> you need to get a subversion package off of sunfreeware or blastwave [08:25:48] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [08:25:51] <Tempt> CSKperl is pretty recent, 5.8.8 iirc [08:26:48] <spackest> while I am ranting, how about dtrace working with a stock perl that solaris ships? [08:28:09] *** tsoome1_ has joined #opensolaris [08:28:51] *** Auralis has quit IRC [08:29:14] <moazamraja> gentry-: i can't seem to figure out which device the memorystick is even [08:29:25] <moazamraja> . /var/adm/messages shows nothing when i insert the card [08:29:42] <spackest> delewis: so do you always use perlgcc when install CPAN stuff? [08:29:43] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [08:29:58] <spackest> (installing) [08:33:29] *** tsoome1__ has joined #opensolaris [08:36:02] <gentry-> try running volcheck [08:41:24] <tomww> rmformat should list the memorystick [08:42:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:43:28] <chrisso> Up for a quick bl0rt on Friday, Tempt? [08:43:56] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:44:03] <Tempt> chrisso: What an excellent idea. I fly back into civilisation tonight, I'm at a conference all day tomorrow and I'm in meetings for the entirety of Friday, so I think a blort is in order. [08:44:13] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:44:14] <Tempt> chrisso: Give me a call if you need to make plans [08:44:23] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [08:46:18] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [08:46:23] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris [08:46:33] <sleepcat> anyone still awake? [08:46:42] <sleepcat> hehe [08:47:03] <sleepcat> so, I finally figured out why oracle 10g wasn't running on my solaris 10 machine [08:47:47] <jteo> hmm? [08:48:01] <sleepcat> a bug in the installer [08:48:14] <sleepcat> I installed it on Windows, and it worked [08:48:40] <sleepcat> then I did a google search and it was mentioned that one needs to install oracle without creating a db [08:48:45] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [08:49:32] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [08:50:13] *** e^ipi_ is now known as e^ipi [08:50:55] *** tsoome1_ has quit IRC [08:58:30] <moazamraja> mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/card [08:58:37] <moazamraja> mount: /dev/sr0 write-protected [08:58:38] <moazamraja> wtf.... 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[09:09:44] <seanmcg> moazamraja: same here on my laptop, the sd reader isn't supported :( [09:10:07] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [09:15:28] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris [09:18:59] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [09:19:25] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [09:20:03] *** sleepcat has quit IRC [09:20:44] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [09:23:50] *** jHoNDoE has left #opensolaris [09:25:26] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris [09:27:14] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [09:31:32] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:31:40] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [09:31:55] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:32:28] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [09:32:42] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:43:34] <moazamraja> gdm is not running by default on opensolaris? [09:45:51] <Berny_> nope [09:46:07] <Berny_> default is cde-login (dtlogin) [09:46:12] <moazamraja> oik [09:47:42] *** estibi has quit IRC [09:48:11] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris [09:59:37] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris [10:00:08] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:26] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:06:26] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [10:06:37] <moazamraja> hrm...[~]$ svccfg list |grep gdm [10:06:38] <moazamraja> application/gdm2-login [10:06:43] <moazamraja> [~]$ svcadm enable application/gdm2-login [10:06:43] <moazamraja> svcadm: Pattern 'application/gdm2-login' doesn't match any instances [10:06:48] <moazamraja> w.t.f. [10:06:51] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [10:08:03] <Cyrille> svcs -a | grep gdm [10:08:30] <razrX> exactly [10:08:30] <Berny_> application/graphical-login/gdm you prolly want [10:10:54] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [10:11:10] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [10:12:17] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [10:13:06] <trochej> moazamraja: svcadmin disable cde-login [10:13:14] <trochej> moazamraja: svcadm enable gdm:default [10:13:20] <trochej> Inuf [10:13:20] <moazamraja> damn.. [10:13:23] <moazamraja> no wonder [10:13:30] <trochej> drat [10:13:32] <moazamraja> i kept doing dtconfig -d [10:13:38] <trochej> s/svcadmin/svcadm/ [10:14:00] <moazamraja> that works [10:14:02] <moazamraja> thx [10:14:20] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:15:50] <trochej> moazamraja: It has to. I did it at least 20 times last six months :) [10:18:32] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [10:18:35] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [10:18:41] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz [10:20:21] *** e^ipi_ has left #opensolaris [10:29:23] <WickedWicky> morning all [10:34:34] <Berny_> hey wicky [10:34:37] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [10:35:19] *** jmcp has quit IRC [10:35:39] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [10:38:50] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [10:44:21] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:47:10] *** giant has joined #opensolaris [10:49:26] *** peteh has quit IRC [10:49:52] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [10:50:00] <sickness> morning all [10:50:08] *** loky has quit IRC [10:51:01] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:51:42] <trochej> all [10:51:50] <trochej> morn [10:51:52] <trochej> ing [10:56:19] *** jmcp has quit IRC [10:56:40] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [10:57:10] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [11:02:24] *** arv has joined #opensolaris [11:02:24] *** jcea has quit IRC [11:11:44] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [11:13:56] <dsch04> Morning all [11:14:22] <dsch04> I'm just getting started with zfs/iscsi [11:14:38] <dsch04> Can anyone point me at any docs on iscsi security? [11:17:48] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [11:18:23] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [11:21:05] *** delewis has quit IRC [11:23:58] *** e^ipi_ has quit IRC [11:24:03] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [11:25:47] *** mikefut_ has joined #opensolaris [11:27:31] *** dpn` has joined #opensolaris [11:29:16] *** virgee has quit IRC [11:30:27] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [11:31:35] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [11:31:43] *** mikefut has quit IRC [11:35:59] <phips> dsch04: benr has written some stuff about chap - http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=834 [11:36:41] <phips> and I wrote something about setting up iscsi with solaris - http://www.probably.co.uk/tech/solaris/iscsi/iscsi_notes.html [11:36:42] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [11:36:47] <phips> (must add security to that) [11:39:10] *** e^ipi_ has quit IRC [11:44:56] *** simford has quit IRC [11:45:40] *** jamesd has quit IRC [11:47:34] <dsch04> phips, thanks [11:47:50] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [11:48:35] <dsch04> I like the zfs integration [11:49:43] <dsch04> e.g.: [11:49:46] <dsch04> zfs create -o shareiscsi=on tank/iscsi_luns [11:49:47] <dsch04> zfs create -s -V 25g tank/iscsi_luns/vol001 [11:50:02] <dsch04> et voila - a 25gb iscsi target [11:50:31] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [11:50:37] <dsch04> (with or without the "-s") [11:51:48] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [11:52:59] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [11:54:07] <phips> cool, I didn't know about the shareiscsi=on; I presume that's only on nevada at the moment? [11:55:13] <dsch04> http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=775 [11:55:31] <dsch04> From build 54 [11:55:35] <dsch04> (On OpenSolaris) [12:00:02] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [12:01:11] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [12:02:58] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [12:07:04] *** sriramnrn__ has joined #opensolaris [12:07:08] *** sriramnrn__ is now known as sriramnrn [12:07:25] <phips> fab - thanks dsch04 [12:07:55] <dsch04> I wouldn't mind learning how to restrict access to certain IP addresses [12:08:02] *** dlynes has quit IRC [12:09:26] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [12:11:41] *** pjlv has quit IRC [12:13:05] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [12:13:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [12:17:44] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [12:18:06] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [12:21:19] *** yongsun has quit IRC [12:25:34] *** sriramnrn_ has quit IRC [12:26:57] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [12:28:48] <phips> man iscsitadm dsch04 - i think --acl is what you're after [12:28:49] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris [12:29:01] <dsch04> phips, Thanks [12:29:06] <phips> I briefly touch on it on my notes page, but should really go into a little more detail [12:29:13] <phips> http://www.probably.co.uk/tech/solaris/iscsi/iscsi_notes.html [12:29:18] <dsch04> Just reading about zfs - there's some real cool stuff in it [12:29:21] <phips> search for 'acl' on the page [12:30:40] *** bengtf has quit IRC [12:34:58] <sickness> i'm back [12:35:55] *** estibi has left #opensolaris [12:37:26] <jamesd> wb sickness, now would someone call a doctor, the sickness is back ;-) [12:37:59] <sickness> lol :) [12:40:48] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [12:43:02] <trochej> Khehehehe [12:45:48] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris [12:48:29] <flyingparchment> fun mysql bug of the day: mysqldump producing dumps that can't be restored [12:49:35] <jamesd> flyingparchment, are you sure the version matches or is at least newer [12:49:56] <flyingparchment> it's a bug, i confirmed it with a mysql engineer [12:50:03] <jamesd> oh... [12:50:25] <jamesd> can you remove some of the crap that doesn't need to be restored, and get your data back? [12:50:49] <flyingparchment> fortunately i'm not doing DR.. i just removed the data causing the bug and dumped again :) [12:52:19] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [12:53:52] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [12:55:43] *** halton has quit IRC [12:57:54] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [12:58:47] *** cmihai has quit IRC [12:59:35] <JWheeler> ugh, here is a curly one pkgrm issue. Any ideas anyone? http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/739634 [13:01:03] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [13:01:55] <flyingparchment> JWheeler: is your /var/sadm/install/contents okay? can you add other packages? [13:01:58] <palowoda> JWheeler: Your going to have to examine the /var/sadm/install/contents file for the bad entry and repair it manually. [13:02:27] <palowoda> Once you get in this mode your screwed so to speak. [13:02:59] <palowoda> You have to repair it before anything else. [13:03:24] <JWheeler> ug [13:03:29] <palowoda> It's most likely at the end of the contents file. [13:03:37] <JWheeler> well the file looks ok to me... [13:03:49] <JWheeler> mind you... in ends like this: [13:03:52] <JWheeler> /var/yp/nicknames e ypnicknames 0644 root bin 226 22121 1186791764 SUNWnisr [13:03:52] <JWheeler> /var/yp/updaters f none 0500 root bin 1393 51153 1186791764 SUNWypr [13:03:52] <JWheeler> # Last modified by pkgadd for CSWmplayer package [13:03:52] <JWheeler> # 17 October 2007 1:43:13 AM [13:03:57] <JWheeler> I take it that's not right? [13:04:28] <flyingparchment> no, that's normal [13:05:05] <palowoda> somewhere in the contents file is a bad pathname. [13:05:26] <JWheeler> nothing easy to search for though, I presume... that would be too easy :) [13:05:36] <palowoda> If you do a pkginfo does the same error come up? [13:07:18] <JWheeler> plain pkginfo works ok [13:07:42] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris [13:07:47] <JWheeler> as soon as I do a pkginfo -l, it dies with pkginfo: ERROR: bad entry read in contents file [13:07:48] <JWheeler> pathname: Unknown [13:07:49] <JWheeler> problem: incomplete entry [13:07:54] <Berny_> hi calum_ [13:08:28] <Berny_> pkginfo usually stops with the package which is corrupted in the contents file [13:08:43] <Berny_> so i'd examine the last package pkginfo lists [13:08:50] <palowoda> Do you know if this started happening after a specific package install? [13:09:13] <palowoda> As in the CSWmplayer [13:09:25] <JWheeler> My PC crashed last night, and then again earlier tonight [13:09:30] <JWheeler> presumably one of them did it [13:10:02] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [13:10:40] <palowoda> Hmm I have CSWmplayer installed (most recent) with no problems. Did you machine crash when adding some package? [13:10:58] *** sriramnrn has quit IRC [13:11:04] <JWheeler> no I wasn't installing anything at the time [13:11:27] <JWheeler> mplayer will no doubt have been the last package that I installed, but I don't know that I'm having any specific issues with it [13:11:28] <palowoda> Did you install packages just before the crash? [13:11:39] <JWheeler> yeah, mplayer would have been installed [13:12:07] <palowoda> Are you using UFS with logging turned on? [13:12:22] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [13:12:25] <JWheeler> / on /dev/dsk/c0d0s0 read/write/setuid/devices/intr/largefiles/logging/xattr/onerror=panic/dev=1980000 on Wed Oct 17 21:38:53 2007 [13:12:35] <JWheeler> (yes?) [13:13:05] <palowoda> Damn out of all the files to get corrupted. [13:13:44] <JWheeler> yeah... well this sucks [13:14:21] <palowoda> You might have a chance with truss -f -v all pkginfo -l [13:14:39] <palowoda> Just to identify where the missing path is. [13:14:40] <JWheeler> ok, I'll try that [13:14:50] <palowoda> Script it. [13:15:18] <palowoda> Hopefully you will see where it's parsing the contents file. [13:15:56] <palowoda> Friggen error messages from SVR4 package. [13:16:07] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [13:16:21] *** calumb has quit IRC [13:16:26] <palowoda> I'm glad the new IPS (package system) aka Indiana is wiping it out. [13:17:38] <quasi> don't count on it [13:18:09] <palowoda> Oh yeah ATT is coming to the rescue. Heh. [13:18:22] <JWheeler> what the.... [13:18:30] <JWheeler> I think it's working now [13:18:51] <palowoda> That is weird. [13:18:52] <JWheeler> ok... and we're away [13:19:16] <JWheeler> so, I was running pkgchk in the background... maybe that has some superhealing powers that I don't know about [13:19:35] <JWheeler> I ran your truss command at the same time, but it appeared to exit ok, so I tried pkginfo -l again, it also worked [13:19:51] <JWheeler> finally, I just successfully pkgrm'ed CSWmplayer this time around [13:19:58] * JWheeler thanks the unix gods [13:20:15] * JWheeler scarifices another mac for them [13:20:23] <palowoda> Hey there you go. [13:20:30] <JWheeler> *sacrifices [13:20:41] <JWheeler> how weird is that though... [13:21:15] <palowoda> quasi: You don't think things will change with svr4 pkg? It has too wiether we like it or not. [13:21:59] <quasi> palowoda: I'm still hoping indiana will curl up and die [13:22:36] <palowoda> Indiana is the testbed. You want to make big changes to OpenSolaris Express? [13:23:05] <quasi> Indiana is the community breaker [13:23:13] <Pietro_S> quasi: well Indiana is just codename - so when Jerico comes (next releast after 6months) the Indiana will die [13:23:25] <palowoda> Hey I'm sure you got a better idea for change. [13:23:50] <Pietro_S> by the way sxce and sxde will die [13:23:51] <quasi> Pietro_S: that's more than I wanted to know about indiana [13:24:23] *** mikefut_ has quit IRC [13:24:34] <quasi> see, that's what I fear - that ian and his linux chums will screw over opensolaris for the rest of us [13:24:56] <palowoda> It's funny how sometimes we just don't want to hear about change. [13:25:12] <palowoda> It has nothing to do with Linux. [13:25:49] <jteo> maybe we're all just elitist bastards who want to feel special. [13:26:07] <palowoda> It has a lot to do with Sun's PSARC process and OpenSolaris ARC process. [13:26:30] *** tg has quit IRC [13:27:34] <quasi> when you look to something that doesn't work for inspiration in changing something that does... [13:27:49] <JWheeler> Before I forget, thanks for the help palowoda/flyingparchment [13:28:33] <flyingparchment> good to see sun just released a patch for a bzip2 security issue from 2005 [13:28:37] <palowoda> Err didn't do anything you just bumbled into a fix which is good for you but didn't explain much. [13:29:09] <JWheeler> still, moral support eh? :) [13:29:51] <jteo> heh [13:30:28] <palowoda> Well yeah I think every admin has had to deal with the horrors of the package system. I have getting UTF8 characters stuck in the contents database when using C locale. [13:31:37] <palowoda> The whole svr4 package system is so foobarr'ed it isn't even funny any more. [13:31:53] <palowoda> It doesn't scale. [13:32:16] <palowoda> It doesn't have any idea of updates. [13:32:21] *** zeax has quit IRC [13:32:46] <palowoda> I just feel sorry for everybody that has to use it. [13:32:54] <palowoda> Including me. [13:37:02] <Pietro_S> quasi: well the first technical preview of release surely will have lot's of bugs (probably even Indiana release), but it's good direction and surely it's no against opensolaris community [13:37:54] <quasi> Pietro_S: I disagree [13:38:19] <palowoda> I think "direction" is the keyword. [13:39:06] <quasi> downhill, about to crash into a brick wall ... not sure that qualifies as "good direction" [13:39:31] <palowoda> And what direction shall you suggest? [13:40:07] <quasi> the solaris way [13:40:08] <Pietro_S> quasi: don't tell me that massive scripting in svr4 is *good* idea ... [13:40:32] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [13:40:41] <palowoda> quasi: The opensolaris way or the solaris way? Pick one. [13:40:57] <quasi> Pietro_S: well, if you don't want me to tell you, I won't bother [13:41:59] <quasi> palowoda: whichever keeps opensolaris similar to solaris or should I say whatever doesn't make opensolaris into another linux desktop dist [13:42:59] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [13:43:00] <palowoda> Well than just site in the corner and deal with solaris while the opensolaris community defines the future. [13:43:03] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [13:43:18] *** mikefut_ has joined #opensolaris [13:43:37] <quasi> you mean while the linux community takes over [13:43:54] <palowoda> what ever you want to believe it's your brain. [13:47:21] *** zeax has joined #opensolaris [13:47:26] <Pietro_S> quasi: well, I wouldn't force you to tell me it. But surelly I would listen (then maybe a bit argue ;-) [13:49:34] * quasi has used up the quota for today - I still think indiana was a huge mistake and that's that [13:50:25] <palowoda> Problem is parts of Indiana are a mistake and other parts are not. [13:50:39] *** calum__ has joined #opensolaris [13:52:02] <Cyrille> I guess the other problem is that different people would disagree on which parts are the mistaken ones ;-) [13:52:38] *** calum__ is now known as calumb [13:52:58] <palowoda> Look at the bright side. IPS doesn't adhiere to PSARC rules. [13:54:13] <quasi> bright as in that light at the end of the tunnel being an oncomming train [13:55:11] <Pietro_S> palowoda: right now IPS is just *prototype* for IPS - I guess that after prototyping ends - it will adhiere PSARC ... [13:56:33] <palowoda> Pietro_S: My point is it's not adhiering to PSARC rules now. Which defines something new in the development process. That is good. [13:58:21] <palowoda> What fear change before your eyes. [13:58:39] *** calum_ has quit IRC [13:59:54] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [14:00:41] *** mikefut has quit IRC [14:02:07] *** wms_ has joined #opensolaris [14:06:30] <palowoda> By the way Pietro_S do you think IPS would be rejected by PSARC? What alternatives would the Sun come up with? [14:06:49] <jteo> we have arrived. [14:07:04] <palowoda> damn right. [14:07:43] <JWheeler> In some ways, its a bit a shame they haven't been working with BW on packaging [14:07:55] <JWheeler> they've actually been hard at work on a new system too [14:08:11] <flyingparchment> bw? [14:08:14] <JWheeler> and given that this is all about the community and all that...it's a shame to have ignored them [14:08:20] <JWheeler> sorry, Blastwave [14:08:45] <jteo> JWheeler: you get used to it. they (Sun internal) do loads of stuff, and suddenly announce it. [14:09:00] <palowoda> Don't worry about Blastwave they where at the Indiana summit also. [14:09:15] <JWheeler> who's they? [14:09:23] <palowoda> Phil Brown. [14:09:23] <JWheeler> I know Phil went [14:09:36] <palowoda> Who do you think Blastwave is? [14:09:45] <JWheeler> I'd have loved to have gone... it wasn't exactly a cab ride away though [14:09:59] <JWheeler> there are a handful of core contributors [14:10:00] <Pietro_S> JWheeler: I just came from OpenSolaris Development meeting and there were also peoples from blastwaves - and they were quite happy with IPS [14:10:08] <JWheeler> phil/james/dennis [14:10:33] <palowoda> But isn't Blastwave really dependent on pkg-get? [14:11:52] <Pietro_S> actually IPS don't care about building software - but it has lot's of features how blastwaves can provide their packages with IPS and don't break anything ( you will just specify you want to obtain packages from Blastwave authority) [14:12:01] *** jwest- has joined #opensolaris [14:12:46] <JWheeler> pkg-get is the main tool, but it's getting upgraded in a big way [14:13:35] <JWheeler> The only real major that it was missing was dependancy tracking before installation, and that wasn't a pkg-get issue, so much as the catalog that it uses, (also being upgraded) [14:14:09] <JWheeler> so it's a shame really, since that tool already had a lot of history/maturity when dealing with network package fetching... oh well, jteo summed it up I guess [14:14:17] <palowoda> Pietro_S: And I might add that PSARC, Solaris in general has no concept of what to do about upgrading pacakges. OpenSolaris for that fact. [14:14:55] <palowoda> And what does IPS have to do with Blastwave? [14:17:00] *** ashner has joined #opensolaris [14:17:40] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC [14:20:17] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [14:21:46] <Pietro_S> palowoda: I just want to point that Blastwave can use IPS in more ways than svr4 , but it's up fof them what features they will use [14:22:52] <JWheeler> absolutely nothing, that was rather my point. It's just a shame they didn't work with the existing community when developing IPS. Still done now, I'm over it [14:23:40] <palowoda> I guess we should cry over spilt milk. [14:24:17] <palowoda> Although what milk is 6.00 a gallon around here nowdays. [14:24:39] <jmcp> an American or British gallon? [14:24:47] <palowoda> US. [14:25:08] <Pietro_S> JWheeler: I asked about this thing Stephan - and he andswered , that it wouldn't be possible as everyone would need some feature and his devs wouldn't do anything then emails care ... [14:25:14] <jmcp> =~ 3.8L, yeah? [14:25:39] <palowoda> The cows are moo'ing to the bank. [14:25:58] <jmcp> palowoda: but have they come home yet? [14:26:01] *** nostoi has quit IRC [14:26:04] <JWheeler> lol [14:26:13] <palowoda> :) [14:27:38] *** bzcrib- has joined #opensolaris [14:28:20] <jteo> Got milk? [14:28:38] <nico> does someone has a doc to use a zfs mirror as root fs ? [14:30:12] <palowoda> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ [14:30:39] <nico> palowoda: yes found this one just after asking [14:31:13] <palowoda> Oh one of those that ask than search. [14:32:01] <nico> palowoda: one of those that open too many tabs [14:32:23] <palowoda> typing faster than thinking. done that. [14:32:31] <nico> :) [14:36:12] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [14:36:55] *** nat_ has joined #opensolaris [14:37:16] *** nat_ has quit IRC [14:38:59] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [14:39:03] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [14:40:59] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [14:41:07] <Downix> ok, day two of my Solaris adventure [14:41:17] <flyingparchment> hello agai [14:41:18] <flyingparchment> +n [14:41:53] <Downix> having issues now logging in my personal account. I can log root into gui, no problem. I try with my own account, it kicks me out to the login screen again. [14:42:06] <Downix> altho I prefer the console normally so it's not a huge deal [14:42:41] <Downix> not sure if there are virtual-screens however so I can do multiple things in the console [14:43:07] <flyingparchment> not yet, use screen instead [14:43:16] <Downix> hmm [14:43:38] <Downix> ok. Well, in the interim, need to find out why the gui isn't working for my login [14:44:16] <Pietro_S> Downix: JDS? or any other thing? [14:44:18] <flyingparchment> did it ask you to select JDS or GNOME? [14:44:22] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [14:44:22] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [14:44:26] <Downix> tried jds and cde [14:44:34] <Downix> flyingparchment: nope [14:44:47] <flyingparchment> how did you try them if it didn't ask? :) [14:44:58] <Downix> I used the little selection tab [14:46:28] <Downix> below my login there's a pulldown menu that listed them both, so when login didn't work the first time with jds, I pulled it down to cde [14:46:38] <Downix> hmm [14:46:39] *** cub- has quit IRC [14:46:46] <Downix> let me try manually starting it, brb [14:46:47] *** Downix has quit IRC [14:49:37] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [14:49:39] *** e^ipi_ has quit IRC [14:54:47] <calumb> running gnome-session in a failsafe session should give you some clues [15:04:32] * JoergB is away: for ~1hr [15:07:25] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:10:48] *** alanbur has joined #opensolaris [15:11:47] *** exanter has quit IRC [15:12:23] <alanbur> http://auth.opensolaris.org - development version of new user management app, please feel free to play [15:13:48] <Pietro_S> alanbur: what features it has? Does it control RBAC nicely? [15:14:24] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris [15:14:33] <flyingparchment> oh, it's for opensolaris.org.. i thought there was a new solaris user manager ;) [15:14:42] <alanbur> It is nothing to do with RBAC, it is (the start of) the new user management system for opensolaris.org [15:15:02] <alanbur> Yes, I should have been a little clearer :-) [15:15:06] <Pietro_S> whooha [15:15:39] <alanbur> Now I just have to churn out the other bazillion JSPs it needs... [15:16:03] <kjetilho> alanbur: eventually it should have RBAC support, though? [15:16:10] <alanbur> Source at http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/website/auth/trunk/ [15:16:13] <flyingparchment> alanbur: the colour scheme is a bit strong :) [15:16:13] <alanbur> Why? [15:16:35] <flyingparchment> alanbur: (i suggest using the Sun blue gradient branding, like the other management stuff does.. that's nice) [15:16:48] <kjetilho> a friendly way to configure RBAC is sorely needed, and it seems logical to integrate it in the normal user management tool [15:16:52] <alanbur> It has nothing to do with Solaris (other than the machine running it runs Solaris) [15:17:02] <Pietro_S> alanbur: I guess it's not connected to real data, right? (it didn't find me) [15:17:04] <alanbur> It's for opensolaris.org users, not Solaris users [15:17:16] *** ashner has quit IRC [15:17:33] <alanbur> flyingparchment: the awful colours are deliberate ;-) [15:17:48] <jteo> there must be a method to your madness alanbur. [15:18:21] <alanbur> The need to be bad enough to persuade someone with some sort of design clue to do a better job :-) [15:18:42] <alanbur> but not quite so bad that you can't actually read the pages... [15:19:35] <alanbur> I'm concentrating on the functionality, the CSS just needs to be passable. [15:20:17] <jteo> "passable" [15:20:22] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:20:28] <alanbur> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/website/auth/trunk/AuthWebapp/web/stylesheet.jsp - hack away [15:20:37] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [15:20:38] <spackest> wow, tough crowd [15:22:11] *** arv has quit IRC [15:22:54] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [15:22:57] <Downix> ok, still no luck [15:23:10] <Downix> but just noticed there's gaim installed so at least I now can irc [15:23:22] <Downix> incidentally, can't login to console at all now, says it is occupied [15:23:32] <Pietro_S> alanbur: which users does it find? Cause I'm opensolaris man ... [15:24:25] <spackest> alanbur: have you tried to get a dtrace-friendly version of perl to ship with solaris? [15:24:28] <alanbur> They are just dummy ones - unless you want me to publish your email address to the world... ;-) [15:24:53] * steleman_away is back. [15:24:56] *** steleman_away is now known as steleman [15:25:09] <Pietro_S> alanbur: it's ok - you now I just want to try find myself ;-) [15:26:04] <alanbur> Feel free to add yourself then :-) [15:26:14] <alanbur> it's just a test database [15:27:14] <Pietro_S> Downix: don't your normal user use ksh93 shell as default one? Try to delete your whole home dir (included . files) (if you have some data there copy them!) and then try to log in [15:27:43] <alanbur> And if anyone can find any XSS flaws in it I'd be glad to hear about them... [15:27:53] <Downix> there is no home directory it looks like [15:27:57] <Pietro_S> Downix: and then post ls -la to some pastle bin (for example mentioned in topic) [15:28:15] <alanbur> I already fixed a couple. [15:28:21] <Downix> it's blank Pietro_S [15:28:29] <Pietro_S> Downix: how did you create that user? [15:28:34] *** hile_ has quit IRC [15:28:37] <Downix> just used useradd [15:29:17] <Pietro_S> does path exist and can the user write there a files? [15:29:31] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [15:29:49] <Downix> nope [15:30:06] <Downix> and for fun, if I try and mkdir him a directory, it says that it failed to make said directory [15:30:12] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [15:30:15] <Berny_> mkdir /export/home/$user [15:30:17] <Downix> says the Operation is not applicable [15:30:21] <flyingparchment> Downix: you put the directory in /home, right? [15:30:23] <Berny_> chown $user /export/home/$user [15:30:30] <flyingparchment> you're running the automounter, which takes over /home to do automounting [15:30:36] <flyingparchment> if you don't need that, svcadm disable autofs [15:30:41] <Downix> flyingparchment: right [15:31:44] <Downix> turning off autofs [15:31:53] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [15:31:57] <Downix> once done this machine will be essentially an unmoving rock [15:33:12] <Downix> **installs bash, this default shell is horrid** [15:33:34] <flyingparchment> bash is already installed [15:33:45] <Downix> it is? [15:33:52] <Downix> I checked every directory I could find with no luck [15:33:59] <flyingparchment> /usr/bin/bash [15:34:01] <spackest> just change /etc/passwd for root to point to /bin/bash [15:34:22] <Downix> hmm [15:34:31] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [15:34:33] <tsoome> man find [15:35:25] <tsoome> nad if you feel need to change root shell in /etc/passwd, then perhaps you should consider giving root password for more competent person.... [15:35:40] *** millhouse513 has joined #opensolaris [15:36:14] <spackest> wow, tough crowd [15:37:28] <Downix> spackest: I've gotten better from worse. [15:37:45] <Berny_> what's so tough? [15:38:04] <Downix> in any case [15:38:27] <gcmandrake> there are better options than bash... try ksh or tcsh [15:38:30] <Downix> still doesn't explain why the console's locked up, altho might explain why I couldn't login [15:38:48] <flyingparchment> how is the console locked up? [15:39:15] <Downix> flyingparchment: If I try to login to command-line rather than gui it tells me that the tty is occupied [15:39:28] <flyingparchment> show the exact error? [15:39:45] <millhouse513> morning [15:39:48] <Downix> I can't as I'm in gui atm, let me switch back and see if I can create it again [15:40:02] *** Downix has quit IRC [15:41:09] <gcmandrake> hmm [15:42:25] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [15:42:41] <Downix> ok, on another comp now so I can actually copy things over [15:42:53] <Downix> it says that /dev/console is already in use [15:43:14] <Downix> unfortunately, it dropped me back to gui login so let me get back to that, one moment [15:45:51] <flyingparchment> has anyone used sun web proxy server as a reverse proxy? how is its performance? [15:47:33] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [15:48:57] <Downix> or not... as it's now a big black screen with a mouse pointer.... [15:49:19] <Downix> yet, my ssh connection is still rock-solid [15:50:23] <millhouse513> has anyone played with virtualbox? [15:50:44] <cmihai> Yeah, sure. [15:50:52] <cmihai> Don't try to run Solaris or OpenBSD in VirtualBOX though. [15:51:03] <cmihai> Use VMware. It even has video / mouse drivers (SXCE) [15:51:30] <trochej> gcmandrake: Trying ksh or tsh is a bad option for someone who knows bash and has problems with box [15:51:34] <Gekz> vmware doesnt run on solaris [15:51:38] <millhouse513> cmihai: why not? [15:51:46] <trochej> gcmandrake: That advice you can give and owner of properly functioning machine [15:52:03] <cmihai> Gekz, no, but it RUNS solaris. [15:52:08] <gcmandrake> trochej: I don't believe you and I speak the same language, but I can tell you that you're wrong [15:52:23] <gcmandrake> moving to ksh or tcsh (or even zsh) IS good advice in many situations [15:52:25] <Gekz> cmihai: and does it well [15:52:30] <gcmandrake> it's fine to dump bash [15:52:45] <trochej> gcmandrake: IT is asking for problems, if you also try to fix the box [15:52:46] <gcmandrake> that's like saying, "don't come over to opensolaris if you know linux, just stay there and do your thing" [15:52:57] <gcmandrake> trochej: that's nonsense [15:53:01] <trochej> gcmandrake: No, it's not the same [15:53:06] <Downix> gcmandrake, One step at a time. I need to put at least tcsh and zsh on this machine for other users anyways. [15:53:08] <flyingparchment> i don't get bash hating. i can understand the argument that root's shell should stay /bin/sh (although i don't agree myself)... but saying changing root to ksh is okay but bash isn't, just seems weird. [15:53:09] <gcmandrake> how would it deter your "fixing the box" [15:53:09] <cmihai> Gekz, right. And your point is? [15:53:14] <millhouse513> i'm running virtualbox in ubuntu... i F***'d up vmware so for the time being i can't use anything other than virtualbox as a vm [15:53:30] <cmihai> millhouse513, just get VMware server, it's free. [15:53:33] <trochej> gcmandrake: It's the same as saying, don't change your car for a truck it you can barely drive a bicycle [15:53:35] <Gekz> I need a point? pssh. [15:53:48] <gcmandrake> trochej: not to mention he just said he'll be using ksh and tcsh for other users... then there is the fact that both bash and ksh use bourne syntax [15:53:55] <gcmandrake> apparently you don't know what the hell you're talking about [15:53:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:54:13] <gcmandrake> lol, "zomg moving to ksh will r00t ur boxen" [15:54:16] <Downix> but first things first, need to get the machine ready [15:54:17] *** alanbur has left #opensolaris [15:54:20] <Downix> so relax [15:54:22] <Downix> it's just a shell [15:54:23] <millhouse513> cmihai: I could... I'll try it in a little bit. [15:54:27] <Pietro_S> Downix: login as root and - create *new* normal user (as this one looks like screwed) [15:54:29] <Downix> I just hated that I couldn't up-arrow [15:54:30] <gcmandrake> Downix: not you, the other guy [15:54:31] <flyingparchment> Downix: tcsh and zsh are already installed on your machine [15:54:34] <gcmandrake> yep [15:54:39] <millhouse513> i do have another question..about Solaris disk queuing [15:54:42] <gcmandrake> they're already there... and have been since the early 90's [15:54:45] <Downix> Pietro_S, No idea how to do that, honestly. [15:54:51] <Pietro_S> Downix: ksh93 has this feature [15:54:53] <Downix> oh, ok, cool, saves me headache [15:54:56] <trochej> gcmandrake: Yes, apparently I don't. You, of course, posses al the knowledge and reason and are the only true source of wisdom. [15:54:57] <cmihai> millhouse513, VirtualBox is crashy and slow running Solaris or OpenBSD. Use VMware, it's faster and Solaris has VMware drivers (for video and mouse) included (in SXCE) [15:55:03] <flyingparchment> Downix: and sysvr4 csh, if you're feeling nostalgic ;) [15:55:07] <Downix> Pietro_S, The default shell when I booted didn't, which was fustrating me. [15:55:15] <gcmandrake> trochej: great that you now see that, too bad you are just spreading FUD [15:55:18] <Downix> ok, the screen remains black [15:55:28] <trochej> gcmandrake: Where did I spread the FUD? [15:55:39] <Pietro_S> Downix: yes because it's ksh, which i don't lie too [15:55:43] <Downix> cntl+alt+bkspce kill X like on Linux, or is there another method? [15:55:54] <gcmandrake> trochej: you spread it rather heavily, i.e. "switching to ksh will break your box" [15:56:03] <trochej> gcmandrake: Quote me [15:56:07] <gcmandrake> as an interactive shell, they hardly differ in syntax... so that's ridiculous [15:56:14] <trochej> gcmandrake: Because right now you just misquoted me heavi;ly [15:56:17] <Pietro_S> Downix: yes, but you probably need to do it few times [15:56:34] *** bzcrib- has quit IRC [15:56:41] <Downix> ok [15:56:48] <gcmandrake> "it is asking for problems if you try to fix the box" i'd say that many admins have been able to "fix the box" using a korn shell [15:56:50] <Downix> so how do I kill that user and recreate him? [15:56:53] <gcmandrake> or any other shell, for that matter [15:56:59] <millhouse513> ah ok, thanks... i was mostly playing with it so far... it looks like it's got potential [15:57:00] <gcmandrake> not to mention THE SYNTAX IS BASED ON BOURNE IN BOTH [15:57:04] <gcmandrake> idiot [15:57:43] <PerterB> oooh, shell wars... put the handbags down, ladies [15:58:09] <trochej> PerterB: Not, I don't do wars. [15:58:18] <gcmandrake> no shell war, I gave my opinion on using ksh or tcsh rather than bash, and someone spread some FUD which needed correcting [15:58:21] <trochej> PerterB: gcmandrake just tries to tell me that I spread the FUD [15:58:22] <Downix> PerterB, bah, that's nothing. You should see when Amiga-fanatics get into a fight. They held up arguements once about interrupt processess that went on for years... still going on. [15:58:23] <gcmandrake> doomsday is BS [15:58:40] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris [15:58:50] <trochej> PerterB: Where all tyhat I sad was, that when you try to fix an unfamiliar environemtn, then changind the shell to unfamiliar one is a wrong idea [15:58:52] <gcmandrake> bash is a fine shell, I simply recommend an alternative... but saying that going with something other than bash won't allow you to "fix your box" (whatever the hell that means) is FUD [15:58:53] <gcmandrake> :) [15:58:54] <Gekz> Downix: Amiga ftw [15:59:09] <Gekz> AmigaDOS syntax is WTF [15:59:10] <Downix> Gekz: I used to work for one of the neo-Amiga companies. [15:59:23] <Gekz> lol, fail. [15:59:28] <PerterB> I used to use "what's your favourite shell" as an interview question (or "window manager")... There's no wrong answer (apart from maybe vanilla csh) but it can be interesting to see how people react [15:59:39] <Gekz> as to why "past-tense" [15:59:53] <Downix> Gekz: surprisingly, it's the only one still in business for all practical purposes. I left them almost 4 years ago [15:59:58] <trochej> gcmandrake: Okay, you not only miquoted me, you also deliberately or not just ignored a very inmportasnt part of what I said and then you called me an idiot [16:00:01] <trochej> Nice of you [16:00:09] <trochej> Downix: You work as a helpdesk? [16:00:10] <Gekz> Downix: AmigaOne? [16:00:25] <gcmandrake> trochej: I call 'em like I see 'em... don't menstruate so publicly [16:00:28] <trochej> gcmandrake: You work as a helpdesk? [16:00:31] <Downix> Gekz: Pegasos. AmigaOne's company went bankrupt 2 years ago. [16:00:50] <Gekz> ah Pegasos. [16:00:55] <gcmandrake> trochej: no, I'm not a desk, I'm made of flesh [16:00:58] <Pietro_S> does this shell line makes any sense? (I think that find need path to start): javadoc -d javadoc $(find -name '*.java') || : [16:01:03] <Downix> Gekz: they're about to roll out their next-gen board too. [16:01:04] <Gekz> AROS looks interesting [16:01:16] <trochej> gcmandrake: Wierd, you surely sound as a piece of dumb wood [16:01:23] <Downix> Gekz: Agreed. I'm working on getting it to run on Solaris SPARC (it's already on Solaris x86) [16:01:24] <flyingparchment> Pietro_S: GNU find defaults to '.' if you don't specify a path [16:01:32] <gcmandrake> trochej: weird*, and learn English [16:01:38] <Gekz> they should just make it into a Linux kernel patch [16:01:44] <gcmandrake> trochej: you can't fix your box with french [16:01:53] <flyingparchment> gcmandrake / trochej: could you two take this somewhere else? [16:02:07] <Cyrille> (and trochej isn't french...) [16:02:10] <Downix> Gekz: it's able to do more than that tho. An environment able to run as it's own OS, or hosted just as easily. [16:02:15] <trochej> flyingparchment: No need, I just set ignore [16:02:23] <trochej> Healtheir that way [16:02:26] <gcmandrake> and I'm not ksh, but I can't fix my box with it [16:02:33] <Downix> anyways, time to look up how to delete a user from solaris then remake it [16:02:35] <Gekz> Downix: I haven't used it yet, POSIX? [16:02:47] <trochej> Downix: userdel ? [16:02:48] <Gekz> I said "looks" :P [16:02:49] <Downix> Gekz: Nope. [16:02:59] <Gekz> What is it then? [16:03:08] <Gekz> AROS? [16:03:09] <Gekz> lol [16:03:15] <Downix> trochej: "ERROR: nat is in use. Cannot remove it" [16:03:34] <trochej> Khehehe [16:03:37] <Downix> gekz: it's Amiga ABI, which is TripOS abi. [16:03:44] <Pietro_S> flyingparchment: this used Doug in his spec file - which doesn't works here, if it would be someone else I would just to fix it ... [16:03:49] <flyingparchment> Downix: userdol probably won't do what you want. (what do you want to do?) [16:03:56] <gcmandrake> Downix: if you want real support for solaris, try #solaris [16:03:59] <Downix> flyingparchment, delete the user so I can remake him. [16:04:04] <trochej> Downix: I don't follow the discussion from the very start, what did you do and what do you want to do? :) [16:04:06] <gcmandrake> this is ##linux for solaris newbs [16:04:07] <Gekz> Downix: I know that, but what _else_ [16:04:08] <Downix> gcmandrake, good point. [16:04:09] *** gcmandrake has left #opensolaris [16:04:09] <flyingparchment> Downix: why do you want to do that? [16:04:21] <Gekz> or is that it? [16:04:22] <Downix> flyingparchment, because I cannot login that account [16:04:23] <flyingparchment> Downix: userdel/useradd just manipulates /etc/passwd and shadow [16:04:28] <Downix> Gekz: that's it for now [16:04:30] <flyingparchment> Downix: try deleting the home directory and recreating it [16:04:47] <Downix> no home directory [16:04:52] <Downix> and mkdir locks up [16:05:00] <trochej> Uhm [16:05:04] <flyingparchment> you disabled autofs? [16:05:06] <Gekz> Downix: that's lol considering floppy drives cant read DD floppies [16:05:07] <Downix> yup [16:06:26] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris [16:06:27] <Berny_> Downix: kill all processes running as that user, try again [16:06:30] *** calumb has quit IRC [16:09:21] *** leal has joined #opensolaris [16:09:26] <leal> hello all... [16:10:00] <leal> i'm getting an error in AVS that i think is the one in this document: "80732 Sun StorEdge[TM] Availability Suite 3.2: Missing Remote Mirror Sets After a HostBoot" [16:10:09] <leal> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/sunsolve/archives/022007.html [16:10:32] <leal> Somebody here can get that document? [16:10:59] * JoergB is back (gone 01:06:27) [16:11:15] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [16:12:39] *** calum__ has joined #opensolaris [16:13:30] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [16:14:17] <quasi> it is readable with a contract [16:14:22] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [16:14:35] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [16:15:11] <leal> quasi: ok... and? [16:15:36] <leal> AVS is a free software now. [16:15:50] <quasi> sure? it wasn't last time I checked [16:16:16] <flyingparchment> solaris is free too, but you don't get access to all the sunsolve stuff [16:16:57] <leal> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/avs/files/ [16:17:36] <leal> Ok, but somebody here can help me with that Doc or not? [16:17:39] <quasi> right, the version that only works on osol [16:17:52] <leal> quasi: works on solaris too. [16:18:38] <quasi> leal: which seemed to be unintentional [16:18:54] <leal> quasi: right. [16:19:13] <quasi> leal: I'd suggest sending off mail to storage-discuss [16:19:51] <leal> quasi: i did that already... and i think in that doc is "the" solution. :) [16:21:04] *** calum_ has quit IRC [16:21:56] <quasi> leal: ah, darn [16:23:05] <millhouse513> i'm having a problem (I think) with solaris disk queues... I've got an iscsi/solaris/zfs setup, and it seems to work great, but sometimes we'll see long latency's when doing things like searching for files or something [16:23:07] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [16:23:42] <kjetilho> leal: darn, I thought you were referring to avs.com [16:24:05] <kjetilho> that was very nice on our SGI workstations 10 years ago :) [16:24:15] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan [16:27:13] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [16:29:58] *** jwest- has quit IRC [16:32:01] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [16:32:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [16:32:15] *** calum__ has quit IRC [16:32:38] <Berny_> hey glynn [16:33:27] <Gman> hi Berny_ [16:35:15] <Berny_> how are the pigs? ;-) [16:38:27] *** jHoNDoE has joined #opensolaris [16:39:49] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [16:41:14] <Gman> Berny_, hah. um, flying? :) [16:42:03] <Berny_> hehe who's idea was that? :-) [16:42:59] *** calumb has quit IRC [16:43:14] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [16:44:24] *** pablomh has quit IRC [16:46:05] <Downix> ya know, the dns resolution issue is fustrating [16:46:32] <bda> ? [16:46:41] <PerterB> hmm? did somebody switch the root nameservers off again? :) [16:47:13] <bda> Cleaning lady unplugged them so she could have somewhere to power the vacuum off of. [16:47:26] <PerterB> hate it when that happens... [16:47:27] <Downix> This box whenever I reboot keeps forgetting its name resolution [16:47:35] <PerterB> dhcp? [16:48:38] <Downix> it's dhcp'd up no problem [16:48:43] <Downix> still no name resolution [16:48:58] <LeftWing> Does DHCP provide correct DNS information? [16:49:14] <Downix> it does for every other machine on the LAN [16:49:28] <LeftWing> So what does resolv.conf get populated with? [16:49:42] <Downix> resolv.conf has the nameservers in there [16:49:49] *** sv2_ has joined #opensolaris [16:50:05] <LeftWing> What changes, then? [16:50:14] <PerterB> so whereabouts is it actually getting broken? [16:50:15] *** bengtf has quit IRC [16:50:18] *** Megaf has quit IRC [16:50:35] <sv2_> hey... basic question. how different/similar is solaris 8 from open solaris?? [16:50:55] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [16:50:59] <movement> yes. [16:51:13] <quasi> sv2_: 42 [16:52:58] <millhouse513> how can I check my disk queue? [16:52:59] <Downix> nothing changes, it just isn't resolving. [16:52:59] <sv2_> i'm asking because i have a solaris 8 system.. but i can't seem to find an answer to my questions about the system, so i thought i'd ask here.. if this is similar to solaris... [16:53:23] <LeftWing> Downix: And you can't get it to resolve? [16:53:45] <Downix> right [16:53:46] <trygvis> sv2_: they are about 7 years of development different [16:53:50] <Downix> you know, it might be a gateway error [16:53:55] <Downix> it might not be seeing the gateway [16:53:58] <trygvis> sv2_: so, similar but not equal :) ish [16:54:56] <LeftWing> Downix: Are the nameservers not on the local subnet? Does netstat -rn give you the correct default gateway? [16:54:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [16:55:10] <seanmcg> sv2_: you wanna move from s8 to latest solaris ? [16:55:23] <Downix> nope, it's showing the wrong gateway [16:55:31] <Downix> and no they're not [16:55:52] <Downix> One of the many messes I'm trying to deal with thanks to previous employee that I replaced [16:56:08] <seanmcg> Downix: the dhcp server is giving you the wrong gateway then ? [16:56:17] *** phimic has quit IRC [16:56:27] <sv2_> seanmcg - no... i have a solaris8 system, running nis. it's a master. i'm trying to figure out how to tell if the ypxfrd daemon is running, and how to stop/start it. [16:56:32] <Downix> seanmcg: looks like it. [16:56:48] <Downix> seanmcg: it's supposed to be 192.168.10.1, but it's giving 192.168.10.0 [16:56:53] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [16:56:54] <sv2_> i can see it in the ps tbl using "ps -aAufd" | grep "yp" [16:56:59] <seanmcg> .0 ? heh [16:57:02] <flyingparchment> Downix: are you sure that's not the network route? [16:57:31] <Downix> flyingparchment, pretty sure. [16:57:32] <sv2_> i can't find anything via google to tell is it's actually running.. [16:57:49] <Downix> I've been finding issues with this dhcp server since arriving here [16:59:11] <seanmcg> Downix: dhcpinfo can show you what the dhcp server is tossing to the clients [16:59:12] *** cygnusecks has quit IRC [16:59:23] *** solar-star has quit IRC [16:59:31] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [16:59:36] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [16:59:55] <Downix> command not found [17:00:09] <seanmcg> sv2_: its in the process table so its running.. the question is, is it doing anything. truss could help. or the s8 pages off docs.sun.com [17:01:51] *** Jondice has quit IRC [17:01:54] <seanmcg> Downix: eh ? it should be in /sbin [17:02:16] <Downix> ok, got it [17:02:25] <Downix> I had to route add default [17:03:16] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [17:04:55] <sv2_> seanmcg - ok.. then i think you're on point. .how can i find out if it's doing anything!!! i'm trying to test out a slave nis sever, with the slave being a rhel server.... i'm getting some errors the Redhat TEch support can't understand... [17:05:12] <sv2_> and noone here has solaris depth.. [17:05:28] <sv2_> so who/what is truss?? [17:06:33] <trygvis> man truss [17:09:42] *** kszwed has quit IRC [17:09:47] *** hile_ has quit IRC [17:11:11] *** peteh has quit IRC [17:11:48] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [17:12:20] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [17:13:13] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [17:14:39] *** hile_ has quit IRC [17:18:24] *** pschow has joined #opensolaris [17:18:41] *** pschow has left #opensolaris [17:19:03] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [17:19:24] *** solar-star has quit IRC [17:19:37] *** Dar has quit IRC [17:20:24] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [17:25:37] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [17:31:54] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [17:37:26] <sv2_> has anyone ever setup a nis master on opensolaris [17:39:21] <phrost> do they have a viable package managment / upgrade system in solaris? [17:39:30] <phrost> like apt-get or something similar [17:39:41] <kjetilho> phrost: Blastwave has pkg-get [17:40:33] <kjetilho> but OpenSolaris doesn't have patches, only new releases [17:40:48] <kjetilho> sorry, wrong usage. I mean Solaris Express [17:41:29] *** Gman has quit IRC [17:42:28] *** piwi has quit IRC [17:43:11] *** dmarker has quit IRC [17:44:35] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [17:46:18] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [17:47:16] <cmihai> kjetilho, use LU [17:47:59] <cmihai> erm [17:48:06] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [17:48:38] <cmihai> phrost, use LiveUpgrades to update stuff in SXCE. Easy, safe, fast enough (no downtime) and you can do it every 2 weeks.. that's pretty up to date. If bandwidth isn't a problem, it rocks. 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[18:08:05] <stevel> http://src.opensolaris.org [18:08:10] <stevel> or you can subscribe to the onnv-notify mailing list [18:08:16] <stevel> or you can go read the onnv-notify archives [18:08:21] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [18:08:50] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [18:09:12] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [18:10:44] * JoergB is away: for the night [18:12:35] *** wesolows has quit IRC [18:12:50] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [18:13:37] *** zeax has quit IRC [18:13:41] *** zeax has joined #opensolaris [18:13:45] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [18:14:35] *** wesolows has joined #opensolaris [18:15:41] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris [18:16:50] *** mikefut_ has quit IRC [18:17:15] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:17:22] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:20:49] *** jhawk has quit IRC [18:21:16] *** cygnusecks has joined #opensolaris [18:22:42] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [18:24:14] <kohju> Hmm... I found good PC.....(This page is japanese only. http://shop.epson.jp/pc/st100) [18:25:05] <kohju> for small HOME NAS. [18:25:08] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [18:25:43] <kohju> Of course, install solaris. [18:25:51] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [18:26:29] <kohju> it might be small home NAS on zfs... [18:28:48] <kohju> oops..... the NIC on its pc is 100M..... :'( [18:34:00] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [18:34:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [18:36:54] <oninoshiko> does it have a PCIe slot? [18:36:59] <oninoshiko> just add a card [18:38:10] *** zeax has quit IRC [18:38:48] <phrost> they do make 64 bit pci cards too :P [18:39:09] *** tg has quit IRC [18:39:15] <kohju> maybe no :'( [18:41:50] <oninoshiko> yes, but PCIx is dieing (hopefully sooner then then later, im tired of trying to keep the two clear in my head) [18:42:34] <phrost> hehe [18:42:49] *** zeax has joined #opensolaris [18:43:35] <kohju> I want a small x86/x64 computer for HOME-NAS :) [18:44:20] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [18:45:20] <gdamore> hi * [18:45:33] <Triskelios> hey gdamore [18:45:52] <WickedWicky> hey guys? I am trying to compile onnv_76 and getting heaps of errors [18:45:55] <WickedWicky> "io.h", line 163: syntax error before or at: __volatile__ [18:45:55] <WickedWicky> "io.h", line 163: syntax error before or at: __volatile__ [18:45:55] <WickedWicky> "io.h", line 163: syntax error before or at: __volatile__ [18:45:55] <WickedWicky> "io.h", line 163: syntax error before or at: __volatile__ [18:45:55] <WickedWicky> "io.h", line 164: syntax error before or at: __volatile__ [18:46:08] <Triskelios> gdamore: still want the DEC card for dnet? [18:46:10] <gdamore> gcc? [18:46:13] <gdamore> YES! [18:46:24] <WickedWicky> I dunnno, this comes from mail_msg [18:46:25] <Triskelios> gdamore: send some shipping labels my way =P [18:46:31] <WickedWicky> "i386_byteswap.h", line 8: syntax error before or at: : [18:46:32] <WickedWicky> "i386_byteswap.h", line 18: syntax error before or at: : [18:46:32] <WickedWicky> "../stage2/mb_info.h", line 53: syntax error before or at: ( [18:46:39] <WickedWicky> etc etc [18:46:48] <gdamore> i don't have any labels, as I work from home. [18:47:05] <gdamore> but if you can get it to a local sun office, then I can have sun fund the shipping. [18:47:45] <gdamore> i can probably give you a fedex account number to use as well. [18:48:15] *** stukreit__ has joined #opensolaris [18:50:06] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [18:52:08] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [18:53:50] *** cga has joined #opensolaris [18:56:22] *** wesolows has quit IRC [18:56:35] *** wesolows has joined #opensolaris [18:57:32] *** cga has quit IRC [18:57:40] *** stukreit___ has joined #opensolaris [18:57:57] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC [18:58:04] <millhouse513> I'm having some problems with ZFS... it seems to "freeze" at times when doing things like searching from windows clients [18:58:14] <millhouse513> does anyone else have latency issues with ZFS? [19:00:22] <e^ipi> only when i set compression to gzip [19:01:20] <millhouse513> hmm... no compression is enabled [19:03:00] *** duri has joined #opensolaris [19:03:31] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [19:04:37] <hsn_> need i create new free partition before i install solaris or having free space on drive is enough? 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[19:15:51] <rudy> lol cmihai :) [19:15:56] <rudy> yeah flying [19:16:09] <flyingparchment> rudy: export the filesystem with -oroot=hostname [19:16:10] <sommerfeld> by default solaris maps a remote "root" to "nobody" [19:16:20] <rudy> ohhh [19:17:38] *** Downix has quit IRC [19:17:52] <e^ipi> rudy: the solaris equivalent to norootsquash is anon=0 [19:17:53] <rudy> icic i will have to try that..i think that'll help with the pam_mkhomedir for ldap stuff, right? [19:17:57] <rudy> ic [19:18:44] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [19:19:23] *** tinman2k has joined #opensolaris [19:19:34] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [19:20:18] *** rudy has quit IRC [19:20:19] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [19:20:38] <timsf> hey folks [19:20:54] <jteo> hello timsf. [19:20:56] *** millhouse513 has quit IRC [19:21:26] *** tenex has joined #opensolaris [19:21:48] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [19:22:03] <Gman> hey timsf [19:22:25] *** deather has quit IRC [19:22:26] *** deather_ is now known as deather [19:22:57] <timsf> Hi Gman [19:23:02] <timsf> I jteo [19:23:07] <timsf> Hi (even) [19:24:17] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [19:26:32] *** mog has joined #opensolaris [19:28:52] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [19:30:39] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [19:31:32] *** rudy3 has joined #opensolaris [19:31:35] *** rudy3 is now known as rudy2 [19:32:20] *** timsf has quit IRC [19:33:35] *** szt has joined #opensolaris [19:34:34] *** cga has joined #opensolaris [19:35:54] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [19:36:03] *** stukreit___ has quit IRC [19:37:12] <rudy2> back sorry, got disconnected didnt know someone had that nickname already :) so in regards to the nfs with linux ... what I did is "share -F nfs -oroot -d "hugespace" /space" is that the correct way to do it? [19:37:42] <leal> hello... [19:37:47] <leal> zpool status -v mypool [19:37:58] <leal> errors: Permanent errors have been detected in the following files: [19:38:07] <flyingparchment> rudy2: -oroot=hostname,rw=hostname [19:38:08] <leal> mypool/myfs [19:38:29] <leal> there is a way to mount that pool??? [19:38:34] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [19:39:13] <rudy2> if i want to allow any hostname? -oroot,rw ? [19:39:58] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [19:40:01] <flyingparchment> rudy2: -orw,anon=0 [19:41:18] <rudy2> oh yeah :) thanks alot ! [19:41:23] *** timsf has quit IRC [19:41:44] <flyingparchment> btw, if you space is really that huge, use zfs :) [19:43:38] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [19:43:41] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [19:43:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [19:44:08] <rudy2> actually that /space is a zfs pool [19:44:08] *** JWheeler has quit IRC [19:44:16] <flyingparchment> then you shouldn't be using share [19:44:25] <flyingparchment> zfs set -osharenfs=rw,anon=0 /space [19:44:31] <rudy2> ohhh [19:44:49] <rudy2> i'll try that [19:46:59] <flyingparchment> i wish my function keys works in the command-line solaris installer [19:47:06] <flyingparchment> all this esc 2, esc 2, esc 2... is tiring [19:47:15] *** cydork has quit IRC [19:47:52] <kjetilho> flyingparchment: if you're in XTerm, use Old Function Keys [19:47:54] <e^ipi> zfs set sharenfs="-rw,anon=0" would be the correct syntax [19:47:59] <flyingparchment> kjetilho: konsole [19:48:05] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: -rw? [19:48:07] <rudy2> yeah i was getting a invalid option [19:48:09] <kjetilho> well, use XTerm then :) [19:48:18] <flyingparchment> hm, weird [19:48:20] <e^ipi> err, sorry... "rw,anon=0" [19:48:35] <flyingparchment> why would the "" make a difference? [19:49:08] <rudy2> you had -o :) [19:49:29] <flyingparchment> oh, right [19:49:37] <flyingparchment> i don't use zfs, i forget the syntax ;) [19:51:30] <myrkraverk> given a large file F (>1G) what is the quickest way to make a backup? [19:51:37] <myrkraverk> (on zfs) [19:51:48] <flyingparchment> snapshot the filesystem [19:52:06] <myrkraverk> ok [19:52:15] <myrkraverk> can I do that as a normal user (me?) [19:52:24] <flyingparchment> not by default [19:52:32] <flyingparchment> i think there are rbac rights to allow it [19:52:34] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [19:52:51] <myrkraverk> ok [19:53:19] <sommerfeld> on nevada, there's also zfs delegated administration which gives finer grain control. [19:54:03] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [19:54:11] <myrkraverk> huh? [19:54:50] <sommerfeld> if you're running sufficiently new bits, read the zfs man page description of "zfs allow" [19:55:20] <myrkraverk> ok [19:55:33] <myrkraverk> (am running snv 68, let's hope) [19:55:50] <sommerfeld> that allows you to administer an access control list that can say things like "sommerfeld can create snapshots in /tank/x and myrkaverk can create snapshots in /tank/y" [19:56:19] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [19:56:42] <sommerfeld> off by one. it showed up in build 69 [19:56:49] *** sioraiocht has left #opensolaris [19:57:01] <flyingparchment> that sounds neat [19:57:06] *** jhawk has quit IRC [19:57:41] <myrkraverk> dawn ;/ [19:58:15] <myrkraverk> damn :P [19:58:20] <myrkraverk> or *gnu* ;) [19:59:29] <myrkraverk> decided to usee plain old pc for now ( I also want to use the current version of the file) [19:59:34] <myrkraverk> *cp [19:59:52] * sommerfeld wonders what mr. hawkinson was doing here [20:05:39] <flyingparchment> hm: Solaris 10 software installation partially failed [20:05:51] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [20:05:52] *** mog has left #opensolaris [20:06:13] *** mog has joined #opensolaris [20:09:34] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [20:09:41] <rudy2> cool i'm loving zfs more now :) [20:09:59] <RElling> if you love it too much, you might go blind :-) [20:10:05] <rudy2> oh man,,hmm how can i see which drives are attached to the pool list? [20:10:08] <rudy2> lol RElling [20:10:17] *** sioraiocht has left #opensolaris [20:10:18] <holcomb> zpool status [20:10:54] <flyingparchment> oh wow, the smf initial import is much faster in s10u4 [20:11:15] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [20:11:18] <rudy2> oh yeah, thanks holcomb [20:11:25] *** sioraiocht has left #opensolaris [20:11:45] *** cga has quit IRC [20:22:20] *** phips has quit IRC [20:25:28] <flyingparchment> awesome, sconadm register is broken [20:25:47] <tenex> no, sconadm register worked fine in s10 2 days ago [20:25:51] <tenex> for me [20:26:01] <flyingparchment> doesn't here.. and i know i put the right password in, but it claims authentication failed [20:26:19] <tenex> that's probably related to sun not being able to maintain a server [20:26:26] <tenex> at least, one facing the web [20:26:52] <tenex> "try it later" is a way of life when dealing with sconadm or even trying to grab a pathreference [20:26:55] <tenex> patch* [20:27:00] <timeless> pupnik: sorry, did you volunteer? [20:27:03] <timeless> oops, wrong window [20:27:34] <flyingparchment> oh well, guess i'll find something else to do until they fix it :) [20:28:44] <tenex> try it in a few hours, or tomorrow... you'll catch it at some point [20:33:11] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [20:34:12] <bda> Any Jumpstarting ONNV and with ZFS root stuff? [20:34:15] <bda> er, Anyone. [20:35:00] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [20:35:34] *** elektronkind has joined #opensolaris [20:37:16] <flyingparchment> is veritas "root disk encapsulation" used to mirror the root disk with vxvm? [20:39:33] <elektronkind> yes [20:42:52] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [20:43:22] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [20:45:02] *** yippi has quit IRC [20:48:18] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [20:53:52] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris [20:54:29] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [20:55:31] *** phips has joined #opensolaris [20:57:25] <flyingparchment> hm weird, created two metadb replicas, rebooted, and one of them had disappeared [20:58:54] <kjetilho> flyingparchment: I couldn't get mirroring to work in Jumpstart at all [20:59:11] <kjetilho> I do it in a firstboot script instead ... [20:59:50] <kjetilho> oh, this wasn't Jumpstart. sorry. [20:59:55] <flyingparchment> yeah, just a normal install [20:59:59] <DerJoern> do not use jumpstart use jet [21:00:05] *** sriramnrn has joined #opensolaris [21:00:19] <kjetilho> Jet is hard to integrate in my infrastructure [21:01:06] <DerJoern> eh? when you can use jumpstart you can even use jet [21:01:23] <kjetilho> JET requires a Solaris box to run it on, doesn't it? [21:01:41] <DerJoern> umm, yes [21:01:52] <kjetilho> my infrastructure is all Windows [21:02:43] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [21:02:44] <DerJoern> and jumpstart runs on windows? [21:03:11] <kjetilho> Jumpstart is simply TFTP and NFS [21:03:23] <kjetilho> no software needed [21:03:33] <elektronkind> and DHCP ;) [21:03:40] <DerJoern> jet is just a bunch of ksh scripts [21:03:41] <kjetilho> I have written my own add_install_client equivalent [21:05:22] <flyingparchment> kjetilho: SFU? :) [21:06:19] *** nostoi has quit IRC [21:08:25] <kjetilho> what's SFU? [21:08:38] <kjetilho> oh. actually the NFS is from a Linux server [21:09:09] <kjetilho> but I could've used HTTP instead for x86 installs [21:10:04] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris [21:10:34] *** estibi has quit IRC [21:10:43] *** glagasse has quit IRC [21:11:11] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [21:11:41] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [21:15:10] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [21:15:36] *** virgee has quit IRC [21:19:40] <flyingparchment> elektronkind: hope you don't mind another vx question .. ;) if i want to create a raid5 device, i need two logs to prevent disk failure losing the log, right? [21:21:11] *** leal has quit IRC [21:22:50] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris [21:23:45] <l1s> hi all, is blastwave.org the recommendet package reporsity? [21:24:08] <l1s> i need gdk-pixbuff and wanted to download it from blastwave? [21:24:15] <Triskelios> depends on for what [21:24:33] <l1s> hm, mainly i just need packages compiled against the original solaris libs [21:24:52] <Triskelios> Solaris includes the basic GTK stuff [21:25:09] <l1s> hm, there is no gdk pixbuf installed [21:25:12] <DerJoern> l1s: blastwave is completly independent [21:25:34] <l1s> at least i overseen something... Triskelios [21:25:50] <l1s> DerJoern: so they link against their own libs? [21:25:53] <Triskelios> l1s: what release of Solaris is this? [21:25:59] <l1s> b70b [21:26:23] <DerJoern> l1s: yes [21:26:28] <l1s> ah, ok [21:26:31] <l1s> thanks [21:26:34] <Triskelios> Blastwave is independent of the system essentially, because the target is Solaris 8 [21:27:06] <Triskelios> l1s: what is failing to find libgdk_pixbuf? [21:27:16] <l1s> xscreensaver [21:27:53] <Triskelios> Solaris Express ships with xscreensaver [21:28:26] <l1s> yes, but not with all screensaver applications, or how they are called [21:28:44] <elektronkind> flyingparchment: I would put the log on another device, a slice of a disk that's not part of the RAID5 set [21:29:21] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [21:29:22] <Triskelios> l1s: yeah, a few "hacks" are missing due to the fact that they pull content from the web. look at the jds spec files for xscreensaver [21:29:41] <dsch04> Evening all [21:29:55] <l1s> ie. there are only screensavers that do not fit all parts of the screen, what means some parts are unchanged [21:30:02] <dsch04> I'm making steady progress with my excursion into opensolaris-land [21:30:32] <flyingparchment> elektronkind: hmm, so if i have 6 disks, 2 root and 4 data, put the logs on the 2 root disks? [21:30:55] <Triskelios> l1s: I'm not sure what you mean [21:31:08] <dsch04> I pulled my SAT2-MV8 card, and installed to an HDD on a SATA port on the mobo [21:31:23] <dsch04> I then added another drive to another port on the mobo and played with zfs [21:31:28] <l1s> why should i look at it Triskelios? and why do they should add support for dynamic downloadable content?? thought solaris it not a kind of multimedia play arround os... [21:31:48] <l1s> and why should they [21:32:13] <dsch04> Now, I've shutdown, put the SAT2-MV8 card back in, and plugged 5 drives into it, including the one that I was using for zfs [21:32:26] <dsch04> On boot up, the system hangs at: [21:32:31] *** Jondice has quit IRC [21:32:36] <Triskelios> l1s: you should look at the spec files because it would be simple to make new packages with the missing xscreensaver hacks [21:32:48] <dsch04> Reading ZFS config: * [21:33:11] <dsch04> Any idea why this might be? [21:33:32] <sommerfeld> is it stuck there, or are you just wondering about the noise? [21:33:45] <dsch04> It is stuck there [21:33:54] <Triskelios> l1s: the removed hacks I'm talking about are like webcollage which often displays pr0n since it grabs random web images [21:34:24] <l1s> uh yes ma master of wisdom Triskelios [21:34:33] *** calumb has quit IRC [21:34:40] <Triskelios> l1s: and Solaris *should* have good multimedia support, anything missing is a problem [21:35:21] <dsch04> I thought zfs could cope with drives being moved around onto different controllers, etc. [21:35:59] <seanmcg> dsch04: if you export the pool first I think. [21:36:25] <dsch04> Hmmm, so I need to do that before I move the drive? [21:37:04] <seanmcg> bit late since you've already moved the drive :) [21:37:19] <dsch04> I can move it back easy enough! [21:37:23] <dsch04> It's just a cable! [21:37:35] <dsch04> Let me try that [21:38:46] <jteo> you could force import it. zpool import scans for available pools. [21:39:45] <seanmcg> the other possible way is physicall detach the drive, boot to failsafe, mount the root /, mv /a/etc/zfs/zpool.cache /a/etc/zfs/zpool.cache, then reattach the drive, boot normally and zpool import as jteo says [21:39:58] <seanmcg> s/physicall/physically/ [21:40:00] *** NikolaVeber_ has joined #opensolaris [21:40:09] *** mog has quit IRC [21:41:44] <dsch04> Hmmm, still hangs at the same place [21:41:49] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [21:42:36] *** dlg has quit IRC [21:42:39] <seanmcg> bootfailsafe and mv /a/etc/zfs/zpool.cache /a/etc/zfs/zpool.cache.old ? [21:43:08] <jteo> you put zfs on root? [21:46:44] <dsch04> No [21:46:54] <dsch04> O/S on one drive, zpool on another [21:47:18] <dsch04> It seems that it boots OK, even on the other controller, with just those two drives installed. [21:47:28] <dsch04> Problems arise when I put more drives in [21:47:59] *** glagasse has quit IRC [21:48:11] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [21:48:17] *** locy has joined #opensolaris [21:48:34] <jteo> export the pool [21:48:37] <jteo> then plug drives in [21:50:03] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [21:50:35] <sommerfeld> note that moving zpool.cache out of the way is about 95% of exporting the pools. and the most important 95% [21:50:56] <sommerfeld> (the other 5% is marking the drives as part of an exported pool) [21:52:57] *** laca has quit IRC [21:53:20] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [21:55:23] <flyingparchment> WARNING: ufs log for / changed state to Error [21:55:24] <flyingparchment> yay [21:55:50] <flyingparchment> 2 hours from install to brick ;) [21:56:04] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [21:56:59] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [21:57:51] <l1s> huh the ms channel is scarry... [21:57:51] <sponix> sommerfeld: I finally got net that sucks less ! [21:57:52] <l1s> LD [21:57:53] <l1s> :D [21:58:33] <sponix> still cost $75 a Month, and has a 1G down 512Meg up CAP per Week, but at least the speed is better and it doesn't have _everything_ blocked :) [21:58:59] <sponix> l1s: I wouldn't dare go in there [21:59:06] <l1s> interresting [21:59:37] <jteo> cap? where do you live? [21:59:38] <l1s> your provider limits your connection and disables it if you went over your volume [21:59:43] <l1s> ?? [22:00:58] <sommerfeld> jteo: if he's where I think he is he may not be allowed to answer with great precision for reasons of operational security. [22:01:33] <jteo> ah. [22:01:42] *** wms_ has quit IRC [22:01:55] <jteo> bandwidth should be a human right. [22:02:04] <holcomb> amen [22:02:11] <l1s> hm [22:02:27] <sommerfeld> jteo: depends on who's paying [22:02:33] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC [22:02:37] <sponix> Military takes away most Human Rights [22:02:44] <sponix> Speaking of, I have to get to work [22:04:00] <l1s> huh i have some problem with that assholes... [22:04:10] <l1s> sry for such fould language [22:04:28] <flyingparchment> sommerfeld: you know, you can see someone's ip on irc ;) [22:05:04] <quasi> and with luck you can translate it to icbm coordinates ;) [22:05:07] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [22:05:12] *** comay has quit IRC [22:05:14] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [22:05:30] *** loky has quit IRC [22:05:46] <l1s> they want to put me into military but i need to do school now, now i need to send tons of mail that explain why i cant join the army... [22:06:04] <l1s> crazy system... [22:06:50] <cmihai> Can't you like, say you're gay [22:06:57] <kjetilho> what kind of Internet links do Iraq have anyway? [22:07:15] <kjetilho> wouldn't surprise me if it was mostly satellite [22:07:21] <tenex> he's in Germany, which has conscription [22:07:27] <tenex> and I'm not sure homosexuality is a good excuse there [22:07:36] <tenex> pretty much everyone serves [22:07:36] <kjetilho> ok, the whois said IQ. [22:07:52] <flyingparchment> i think tenex is talking about l1s [22:07:56] <tenex> yes, l1s [22:08:11] <kjetilho> sorry :) [22:08:29] <l1s> yes what...?!? i lost the line somehow? [22:09:07] <l1s> im in germany, yes... but i do not go to the army [22:09:08] <l1s> never [22:10:10] <wesolows> you can usually get out of military service by having a crippling illness that makes you unfit for combat [22:10:12] <l1s> and you cant excuse to leave the army in germany becouse you are gay, you could avoid the army if you excuse that you do not want to handle with guns [22:10:23] <tenex> well, thankfully that's beyond the topic of this channel (I hope) [22:10:27] <l1s> but i missed that excuse... anyway i do not need to excuse i do school now [22:10:47] <wesolows> tenex: For better or worse, this channel ranges pretty far afield at times. :-) [22:10:52] <flyingparchment> l1s: why don't you want to serve? [22:11:00] *** hile_ has quit IRC [22:11:20] <l1s> that way im doing is more involving... but i have no problems for that [22:11:28] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [22:11:41] <l1s> maybe i do army in 3 years, anyway thanks for your listening, i also found a solution for my problem :D [22:12:05] <l1s> i just compile gdk-pixbuf now... and hopefully i have a great time then... [22:12:26] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [22:12:43] <tenex> l1s: with a bit of maturity and an education, you could also serve as an officer [22:12:50] *** rudy2 has quit IRC [22:13:03] <tenex> coming out of university [22:14:14] <l1s> we see... first i need to get my highschool graduate, that what i do now, then i study something with heavy mathematics... [22:14:23] <l1s> 's [22:15:00] <l1s> hmmm, why does solaris reset my powersaving anytime i boot the computer... [22:15:03] <l1s> funny problem... [22:18:09] *** _mw46_ has joined #opensolaris [22:19:06] <flyingparchment> is there a website for the suspend/resume on x86 project? [22:19:13] <_mw46_> quick question: Does the Solaris SXDE-x86 installer allow installing into a logical partition? [22:19:22] <flyingparchment> _mw46_: no. solaris partition must be primary [22:19:26] <dsch04> Can anyone tell me the difference between Solaris Express Developers Edition and Solaris Express ? [22:19:35] <wesolows> if by logical partition you mean part of an MSDOS Extended Partition, no [22:19:42] <flyingparchment> dsch04: DE is released less frequently, gets more testing [22:19:45] <wesolows> dsch04: Marketing [22:19:50] <flyingparchment> dsch04: it's basically the same as a particular CE release [22:20:15] <flyingparchment> oh, you asked about SXDE and SX, not SXCE [22:20:15] <_mw46_> flyingparchment: how am I supposed to do that when stupid windows takes three and I want to install Linux and Solaris on that laptop? [22:20:17] <wesolows> flyingparchment: actually SX is the name for the S10 program that now seems dead; it was actually even more rigorous than SXDE. SXCE is the every-build one now... [22:20:20] <flyingparchment> does anyone even use SX anymore? :) [22:20:36] <wesolows> _mw46_: not use Windows? Put Windows in an Extended partition if it likes them so much? [22:20:37] <flyingparchment> _mw46_: why does windows need three? [22:21:00] <dsch04> So I should install the Developer's Edition then? [22:21:20] <flyingparchment> dsch04: i find DE mostly pointless, you'd be better installing CE [22:21:21] <dsch04> What's SXCE? [22:21:24] <_mw46_> the recovery (1) OS (2), data (3):-( It's the default installation on a Acer laptop:-( [22:21:33] <flyingparchment> SXCE is the same, but released every build [22:21:39] <flyingparchment> whereas DE is only released every couple of months or so [22:21:59] <dsch04> Hrm. I've got sol-nv-b74-x86 [22:22:08] <flyingparchment> dsch04: that is SXCE [22:22:13] <dsch04> Oh [22:22:45] <dsch04> The install choices are "Solaris Express Developers Edition", "Solaris Express", plus a couple of serial cable options [22:22:53] <wesolows> SXCE probably works fine [22:23:07] <flyingparchment> if you choose SXDE, you'll get the new dwarf caiman installer, and it'll install studio too [22:23:14] *** Timsen has joined #opensolaris [22:23:15] <flyingparchment> if you choose SX, you'll get the old installer [22:23:20] <wesolows> They're now overloading the already-confusing names...awesome. [22:23:20] <cmihai> dsch04, don't pick Developers Edition [22:23:27] <cmihai> it features the new caiman installer, and that isn't complete [22:23:34] <cmihai> You won't get to pick everything you want. [22:23:46] <wesolows> sometimes I wonder if Sun is trying to go out of business. [22:23:47] <dsch04> I noticed [22:23:50] <dsch04> :) [22:24:00] <cmihai> That, and it uses more memory I think... 768? Anyway, just pick the old installer, and add the developer tools from the DVD later if needed [22:24:07] <dsch04> So, choose Solaris Express [22:24:07] <cmihai> wesolows, they are [22:24:14] <gdamore> 768MB to install. Amazing. [22:24:17] <wesolows> cmihai: Well, I'm not! [22:24:17] <cmihai> wesolows, hence the SUNW to JAVA stock ticker change. [22:24:25] <cmihai> Keep people confused :-) [22:24:28] <wesolows> I'd kind of prefer we succeed. [22:24:32] <cmihai> Stocks went down after the change (duh) [22:24:40] * flyingparchment wonders when sun is going to open source webserver [22:24:43] <wesolows> cmihai: actually since then it's up about 20% [22:24:52] <wesolows> cmihai: but that has nothing to do with the ticker [22:24:53] <cmihai> wesolows, so would I... Sun's one of my favourite companies... I just can't agree with half of what they do [22:25:08] <gdamore> someone uses Sun's webserver? I figured everyone just used Apache.... [22:25:19] <flyingparchment> gdamore: i like it [22:25:19] <cmihai> gdamore, like 0.7% [22:25:20] <wesolows> gdamore: afaik you're correct [22:25:22] <cmihai> a bit more than lighttpd [22:25:56] <wesolows> gdamore: what I don't understand is what that 768MB is even used for [22:26:01] <cmihai> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/10/overallc.gif :-) Sun WebServer vs. Apache vs. IIS vs. lighttpd [22:26:04] <gdamore> webtier stuff borese me. [22:26:04] <cmihai> wesolows, Java? [22:26:13] <wesolows> gdamore: it's an *installer*; its job is to copy bits from device A to device B and reboot! [22:26:14] <flyingparchment> cmihai: but the normal one uses java and only needs 256M [22:26:18] <gdamore> and yeah, the 768MB for a simple GUI to install Nevada is *insane* [22:26:26] <cmihai> flyingparchment, 512 :-) [22:26:33] <jteo> maybe it's inflation? [22:26:33] <flyingparchment> oh, right, 256 is for console [22:26:38] <cmihai> yeah [22:26:40] <gdamore> we used to be able to do this thing in like 16MB. remember that? [22:26:45] <wesolows> yep [22:26:57] <cmihai> Looks like Sun webserver was _really_ popular 10 years ago [22:27:04] <cmihai> Had like 20% [22:27:06] <flyingparchment> cmihai: back then it was Netscape [22:27:06] <wesolows> I remember installers that worked in 4MB, half of which was for the miniroot [22:27:08] <FireflyST> what was the community developing support for wireless broadband cards? [22:27:09] <axisys> I know I can do zfs snapshot for backup.. how about syncing fs between two zones on zfs fs at global distance w/o changing the zones hostname and all that zone specific info [22:27:17] <cmihai> More than Apache ;-\ [22:27:17] <gdamore> i know a lot of this is thanks to newboot, which wants a full miniroot... but sheese! [22:27:18] <wesolows> cmihai: before Sun bought it, you mean [22:27:25] <cmihai> wesolows, yeah :P [22:27:31] <cmihai> Oh, that makes sense :-D [22:27:36] <wesolows> cmihai: Cobalt was fairly popular at one time, StorageTek, ... [22:27:37] <axisys> the two globally separate zones were identical at born besides their own hostname [22:27:41] <gdamore> s/miniroot/root-in-ram-anything-but-mini/ [22:27:42] <wesolows> Sun buys, company dies [22:27:49] <plocher> 10 years ago it was a different codebase - I rather liked it. The current webserver is, uhmm, a step backwards in some senses. [22:27:59] <cmihai> wesolows, did Cobalt do anything but die under Sun supervision? [22:28:04] *** locy has quit IRC [22:28:06] <wesolows> nope [22:28:15] <gdamore> Cobalt had no value add.... they were doomed with or without Sun. [22:28:16] <wesolows> just left a spectacular flaming $2b crater [22:28:23] <flyingparchment> gdamore: reason #1 to use webserver: <If> and NameTrans is 200% less ridiculous to configure than mod_rewrite ;) [22:29:32] <axisys> so how do I keep two zones one way in sync at wan distance but running on top of zfs fs [22:29:33] <wesolows> gdamore: I'm not convinced of that. From a SW perspective, you're right. But 1U webservers that consume 50W are kind of interesting these days. They could have developed a nice SW stack to go with their hardware at some point, and branched out into more appliance types. It would have been a nice low-end completment to T1000/T2000. [22:29:55] <cmihai> Hm.. weird... [22:30:06] <cmihai> Microsoft IIS keeps going up, Apache keeps going down [22:30:12] <gdamore> yeah, but they'd already moved to x86, so 50W was a non-starter. [22:30:19] <jteo> wesolows: somewhat like a SME targeted appliance box. [22:30:26] <gdamore> now an appliance based on MIPS... that was a nice idea. [22:30:42] <wesolows> MIPS was dying by then, so yes [22:30:45] *** Pierre_Tramo has joined #opensolaris [22:30:46] <Pierre_Tramo> hi! [22:30:51] <gdamore> mips ain't dead yet. [22:30:54] <wesolows> but there was room to keep going there [22:31:08] <cmihai> gdamore, yes it is [22:31:14] <gdamore> there still a lot of stuff in embedded spaces that use MIPS... Au1550 and similar platforms are pretty compelling. [22:31:24] <cmihai> gdamore, even HP migrated the NonStop OS crap / Tandem garbage to it [22:31:25] <gdamore> Geode hasn't killed it *yet*. Neither has Core architecture. [22:31:32] <wesolows> then they started doing x86 and became commodity boxes with commodity power consumption and a lousy software stack [22:31:37] <wesolows> that was the end for them [22:32:04] <claws_bugs> hey [22:32:07] <gdamore> the particular MIPS boxes that were Cobalt were lame slow CPUs, but they could have picked another faster CPU. [22:32:10] <Pierre_Tramo> is there a short changelog about hardware support, "end-user" features? [22:32:10] <wesolows> I agree - I always liked MIPS. [22:32:15] <cmihai> Heh, reminds me of DEC. [22:32:15] <claws_bugs> so solaris patches for security are free? [22:32:16] <jteo> why? [22:32:19] <cmihai> And SGI [22:32:20] <cmihai> :_) [22:32:24] <claws_bugs> if I run solaris on a non sun hardware [22:32:27] <wesolows> And the power to CPU ratio is very good [22:32:34] <claws_bugs> what other kinda patches are there that I might miss [22:32:35] <claws_bugs> ? [22:32:37] <cmihai> claws_bugs, yeah, sure. [22:32:37] <wesolows> like I said, a nice single-threaded complement to T1000 [22:32:38] <flyingparchment> claws_bugs: yes, and for drivers [22:32:43] <wesolows> though nowadays they have multicore too [22:32:43] <gdamore> yes. Btw, Sun Ray 2 is based on MIPS Au1550. [22:32:46] <cmihai> claws_bugs, security and drives are free [22:32:47] <flyingparchment> claws_bugs: you won't get some non-security bug fixes or new features [22:33:00] <claws_bugs> hm [22:33:09] <cmihai> claws_bugs, though you can update / LiveUpgrade every 6-8 months or so. [22:33:17] <claws_bugs> does solaris have a page lsiting features linux doesn't have? [22:33:22] <cmihai> There's a new update... sort of like a "service pack" [22:33:28] <claws_bugs> oh? [22:33:30] <claws_bugs> cool [22:33:37] <wesolows> claws_bugs: not as such, but if you browse the OpenSolaris project list you'll see a bunch of them [22:33:42] <cmihai> claws_bugs, yeah, sure, but that's pointless. Point your browser at docs.sun.com [22:33:55] <cmihai> claws_bugs, ZFS, Containers, DTrace, etc. [22:34:02] <cmihai> It's really about implementation though. [22:34:04] <wesolows> interface stability, documentation [22:34:09] <wesolows> resource controls [22:34:31] <wesolows> debuggers that work [22:34:39] <cmihai> Stable and varied scheduling classes [22:34:55] <wesolows> a VM subsystem older than 36 hours [22:34:58] <cmihai> (that don't need love-mm-turbo-nitro-love-hexx-asl-pls-jesus-saves patches) [22:35:13] <sommerfeld> unmatched observability into what the heck the system is doing [22:35:14] <libkeiser> rofl [22:35:19] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [22:35:30] <jteo> hello to the choir. [22:35:31] <jteo> ;) [22:36:19] <cmihai> It's basically unfair to compare Solaris to Linux [22:36:21] <cmihai> Linux is just a kernel. [22:36:40] <cmihai> And distributions tend to vary greatly. [22:36:45] <jteo> not to mention the biasness here. [22:36:45] <timeless> an unstable kernel :) [22:36:46] <jteo> ;) [22:36:48] <tenex> and when you bring Gnu into the equation, the entire equation becomes rather chaotic [22:36:49] <cmihai> Kind of like Nexenta compared to Schillix [22:37:02] <cmihai> So basically, you need to compare Solaris to RHEL or SLES. [22:37:15] <cmihai> That's the only 2 Linux distributions of it's class... everything else is pretty much a toy. [22:37:21] <tenex> even then, RHEL and Novell will refer you to GNU or Linux devs for a great deal of support [22:37:24] <wesolows> cmihai: That's true, but Solaris does include the things we talked about. [22:37:27] <tenex> which is rather ridiculous [22:37:29] <wesolows> One could say "userland" [22:37:39] <cmihai> Those are, at least, a tangled supported mess :-) [22:37:56] <tenex> not completely supported, unfortunately [22:38:09] <tenex> linux is such a moving target that there are a lot of gotchas, even with red hat [22:38:16] <cmihai> Still, you can install Oracle or other commercial software without them bitching [22:38:22] <cmihai> Or the installer quitting for some reason. [22:38:29] <cmihai> Want me to give you a reason to run RHEL? [22:38:31] <cmihai> Simple. [22:38:41] <tenex> there is no question that if you are implementing linux in the enterprise, you have to go with rhel or sles [22:38:48] <tenex> but I'd use solaris wherever I can [22:38:55] <cmihai> Make a Linux server with the Veritas Volume Manager running Oracle on top of Veritas. [22:38:59] <tenex> and it be effective and efficient [22:39:02] <cmihai> It won't work on ANYTHING but RHEL or SLES. [22:39:04] <cmihai> I guarantee it. [22:39:25] <tenex> nobody was arguing RHEL vs unsupported linux... [22:39:26] *** glagasse has quit IRC [22:39:28] <wesolows> I'll give you a reason to run RHEL instead of Solaris. Someone pays you $10m a year to do so, tax-free and all profit. You suffer for a year and then retire. [22:39:41] <wesolows> Other than that I can't think of any. [22:39:44] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [22:39:47] <holcomb> did somebody post that to osol-jobs? [22:39:57] <cmihai> WHo the fuck is stupid enough to pay you $10m for Linux sysadmin? [22:40:07] <jteo> i would have noticed that first post. [22:40:07] <cmihai> They just fish'em from the local schools :P [22:40:28] <wesolows> I'm just saying...that would be a reason for me to run RHEL instead of Solaris. [22:40:36] <wesolows> Not that it would ever happen. [22:41:00] *** movement has quit IRC [22:41:01] <tenex> I'd say 10m is a reasonable price for almost anyone to compromise their values [22:41:21] <wesolows> Yep. [22:41:34] <tenex> I'd admin minix on a mainframe for that pay [22:41:34] <wesolows> Well, not values so much as knowingly using a shoddy tool. [22:41:50] *** movement has joined #opensolaris [22:41:51] <wesolows> Knowingly doing something that's going to work poorly and be a pain to get working. [22:42:10] <jteo> you just described my job. -sigh- [22:42:59] <cmihai> tenex, I'd do it for fun ^_^ [22:43:27] <cmihai> All the manual memory management does get to you after a while though [22:43:33] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [22:43:53] <plocher> If my choice was "grab something that is easily configured with the full development/deployment stack I need so I can go off and create a yotube - and sell the company for $$$B a year or so later" -vs- "fart around with Solaris, blastwave, manual downloads from apache.org, find my own mysql drivers... and not get to market", the $10M for your values seems cheap. [22:44:16] <cmihai> tenex, http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2006/10/qemu-on-opensolaris-running-everything.html - Minix on a mainframe :-). [22:44:23] <phrost> what package provides: [22:44:24] <phrost> lx_brand: [ID 708118 kern.notice] /lib/ld-linux.so.2: not found. [22:44:25] <wesolows> "fart around with"? [22:44:30] <wesolows> Solaris Just Works for me. [22:44:38] <wesolows> I dunno what you're trying to do. [22:44:39] <cmihai> tenex, http://bp2.blogger.com/_YFgpCPoV-8g/RrLq5WY52ZI/AAAAAAAAAA0/drBUBuvX2jg/s1600-h/minix-qemu.jpg erm this. Well, not really a mainframe, but whatever ;P [22:44:46] <libkeiser> i think the problem is you mentioned "blastwave" [22:44:59] <wesolows> Yeah, true - bringing blastwave into the picture is instant pain. [22:45:13] <wesolows> Though maybe it's better now that they've got S10-only stuff going. [22:45:17] <tenex> well look at that... minix on sun [22:45:21] * tenex applies [22:45:26] <cmihai> :-) [22:46:18] <dsch04> Well, much as I hate to interrupt your OS War (more a minor skirmish really ;) ... [22:47:03] <wesolows> The problem with the let's go make youtube on gnu/linux and sell it for $1b is that with gnu/linux you basically have to get lucky and not have scalability, performance, or correctness problems that are visible to your prospective buyers, because there's no way in hell you're ever going to be able to debug them in that environment [22:47:25] <plocher> blastwave isn't any more of a pain than figuring out how to run a recent tomcat on Solaris10u4 with apache2, mysql and php... (yes, it is sometimes like using a 200 ton hammer to push in a tack...) [22:47:35] <wesolows> so if your plan is to sell something quickly enough and stick your investors with the problems, sure. [22:47:42] <axisys> in case my question lost in OS war.. anyone know of a sync tool between remote zones w/ separate hostnames? [22:47:59] <wesolows> axisys: is there some reason you can't use rsync? [22:48:00] <dsch04> rsync? [22:48:25] <dsch04> Anyway, back to my install... [22:48:26] <dsch04> It doesn't seem to matter what I do, the installer hangs if I have >1 disk connected to my 8-port controller [22:48:45] *** bengtf has quit IRC [22:49:06] *** charlesnw has left #opensolaris [22:49:09] <axisys> wesolows: i could unless there is a zfs snapshot diff w/some hack is out there as an option [22:49:50] <dsch04> zfs send? [22:49:54] <wesolows> you could use zfs send/recv, sure [22:50:12] <axisys> wesolows: that may overwrite the hostname of the remote zone.. no? [22:50:27] <axisys> my zone root path is a zfs fs [22:50:34] <wesolows> if you're syncing the fs that contains /etc, yes, that's wrong [22:50:36] <wesolows> don't do that [22:50:53] <axisys> wesolows: exactly [22:50:56] <wesolows> why are you storing user/app data in the same filesystem as /etc? [22:51:24] <axisys> wesolows: i build a zone on a zfs fs.. [22:51:39] <sommerfeld> that's the problem. "a" zfs fs [22:51:39] <axisys> wesolows: easy to backup/restore [22:51:44] <timeless> axisys: nothing prevents you from having more than one zfs in the zone [22:51:46] <timeless> i do... [22:51:47] <wesolows> yes...so? you can use more than one filesystem [22:51:57] <sommerfeld> multiple zfs fs's let you split user data from config from system software [22:52:04] <timeless> you want one for home and one for system at least [22:52:09] <wesolows> one for the OS, one or more for user and application data [22:52:49] <axisys> wesolows: i follow that on global zone.. but non-global zone I keep one root path for the zone which is happen to be a zfs fs [22:53:18] <flyingparchment> axisys: why don't you add a zfs dataset to the zone? [22:53:34] <moazamraja> anyone know what kinda memory a Sun T1000 uses? [22:53:37] <axisys> flyingparchment: i do it for cases when oracle runs on a zone [22:53:38] <moazamraja> regular PC style ram? [22:53:43] <flyingparchment> axisys: do it for all cases [22:54:08] * jteo takes notes. [22:54:25] <axisys> flyingparchment: i guess i have to to keep them in sync.. w/o hurting the /etc dir.. [22:54:43] <flyingparchment> axisys: it's stupid not to, you're wasting the point of zfs [22:55:52] <axisys> flyingparchment: to be honest w/ you i have not seen an example where anything build outside root path on a zone [22:56:16] *** estibi has quit IRC [22:56:23] <axisys> flyingparchment: until now when sync became a requirement i did not have to think about this [22:56:35] <axisys> flyingparchment: i was taking nightly snapshot [22:56:52] <claws_bugs> is schillix something that can produce a running server? [22:57:00] <axisys> flyingparchment: migration was pretty easy.. i just had to chnage the OS config using sys-unconfig once [22:57:01] <claws_bugs> or do I need nexentaos for that? [22:57:05] <flyingparchment> i think schillix is unmaintained now [22:57:08] <claws_bugs> oh [22:57:16] <claws_bugs> anyone runnign nexentaos? [22:57:23] <claws_bugs> is there an irc for it? [22:57:35] <tenex> why would you run a server on something experimental? [22:57:51] <flyingparchment> tenex: benr's company runs their servers on sxce :) [22:57:54] <moazamraja> PC2-4200 Chipkill DDR2-533 DIMM [22:58:01] <Triskelios> moazamraja: yeah, probably DDR2. check the spec sheets [22:58:09] <moazamraja> says something about Chipkill tho... [22:58:20] <flyingparchment> chipkill is a standard thing, just costs more [22:58:27] <flyingparchment> (not sure if it's required in the T1k..) [22:58:36] <tenex> while that's probably not a sane policy, sxce is the future solaris release in a less-tested fashion [22:58:42] <tenex> while nexenta is... alpha [22:59:12] <Triskelios> claws_bugs: S10 is the best choice for servers unless you need features that haven't been backported yet [22:59:26] <flyingparchment> well, benr has lots of solaris clue, so it works for them [22:59:35] <plocher> Joerg seems to be actively talking with/working with the Indiana folks, as is Moinek/Belenix, so I would expect it to be the followon to their awesome groundbreaking efforts... [23:00:32] <Triskelios> plocher: Joerg does want to pick up Schillix again, but he's been busy with his day job [23:00:44] <moazamraja> benr seems to have more Solaris clue (from admin/config angle at least) than most Sun employees [23:03:55] *** insomnia has quit IRC [23:05:08] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [23:07:16] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [23:10:43] <claws_bugs> s10 [23:10:44] <claws_bugs> ok [23:10:53] <claws_bugs> i686 version good too? [23:11:01] <claws_bugs> has X windows? [23:11:04] <claws_bugs> c compiler? [23:11:09] <claws_bugs> for isntalling programs [23:11:13] <claws_bugs> are there many ports? [23:11:21] <claws_bugs> sunfreeware or something site if I remember? [23:11:52] <cmihai> Ugh [23:11:53] <wesolows> sunfreeware should never be used [23:12:00] <wesolows> use the companion CD instead [23:12:03] <cmihai> Just install the damn thing [23:12:13] <wesolows> or look at blastwave if convenience outweighs correctness for you [23:12:16] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [23:12:43] *** jhawk has quit IRC [23:12:45] <wesolows> the features you asked about are present: X, gcc [23:12:55] <wesolows> no such thing as i686 [23:13:02] <wesolows> works fine on all current and recent CPUs [23:13:36] *** cmihai has quit IRC [23:13:47] *** mikefut has quit IRC [23:14:02] <Triskelios> if you want a desktop for development, use SXCE, otherwise S10 is fine... [23:14:57] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [23:18:29] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:22:38] *** mega has quit IRC [23:29:21] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [23:29:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [23:29:44] <nrubsig> Greetings fellow monsters! [23:30:53] <nrubsig> !seen comay [23:30:56] <Drone> comay (comay!i=comay@nat/sun/x-234f3acbe22a7a4e) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 17 Oct 2007 16:03 GMT, saying 'hey there stevel'. [23:31:21] * nrubsig watches brendang scream in pain... [23:31:42] <nrubsig> Is it "scream in pain" or "scream out of pain" ? [23:34:02] <claws_bugs> wait [23:34:17] <claws_bugs> can sxce be used alone? [23:34:28] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [23:34:31] <claws_bugs> does it include tools to partition drives and a bootoader n all? [23:34:34] <tenex> alone? [23:34:37] <tenex> how could it not? [23:34:38] <claws_bugs> well the cd [23:34:43] <claws_bugs> I dunno [23:34:49] <sponix> claws_bugs: Yes, it can _install_ and work on its own [23:34:50] <claws_bugs> site reads as if its dev code bundle [23:34:53] <claws_bugs> ok [23:35:00] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [23:35:42] <claws_bugs> https://sdlc6b.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=18DCA169FFC71BB83DEE5BC860EFE910 [23:35:43] <claws_bugs> ok [23:35:56] <claws_bugs> cool [23:40:39] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [23:42:48] *** dlg has joined #Opensolaris [23:43:19] *** FunkyELF has joined #opensolaris [23:43:35] <FunkyELF> how is it that this bug still isn't fixed?.... http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6332924 [23:43:55] <FunkyELF> it has been in progress forever [23:44:05] *** estibi has quit IRC [23:44:19] *** yarihm_ has joined #OpenSolaris [23:45:14] <nrubsig> Is anyone awake who can watch the bugs.opensolaris.org triage queue, please ? [23:45:38] *** yarihm has quit IRC [23:45:53] *** yarihm__ has joined #OpenSolaris [23:46:20] <FireflyST> if nevada sees my USB webcam as /dev/video0 without me touching anything, does that mean my webcam will probably work? [23:46:27] *** blindfish has quit IRC [23:47:01] <stevel> fireflyst: fire up ekiga and see :) [23:47:06] *** yarihm__ has quit IRC [23:47:07] <FireflyST> ok [23:47:16] <FireflyST> I guess I'll do that when I get home [23:47:52] *** trs81 is now known as trs80 [23:47:55] <stevel> are you logged in remotely? [23:48:03] <stevel> check the syslog for any error messages or stuff from the usbvc driver [23:48:50] <FireflyST> yes [23:48:56] <FireflyST> which log, dmesg? [23:49:00] <stevel> yeah [23:49:09] <FireflyST> nothing other than that it detects it [23:49:48] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [23:50:28] <FireflyST> hub: video@0, usbvc0 at bus address 2 [23:50:29] <FireflyST> Oct 17 03:21:40 soundwave usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] OmniVision Technologies, Inc. -2640-07.07.20.3 Laptop Integrated Webcam [23:50:32] <FireflyST> Oct 17 03:21:40 soundwave genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usbvc0 is /pci@0,0/pci1028,1f3@1d,7/miscellaneous@6/video@0 [23:52:56] <stevel> looks good [23:53:08] <FireflyST> I'm going to try it when I get home [23:53:19] <dsch04> Ok, okay. Progress [23:53:30] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer [23:53:34] <FireflyST> only things left that don't work on my laptop then would be the useless winmodem and bluetooth [23:54:05] <FireflyST> bt is far from progress I see though [23:54:43] <dsch04> I've now got OpenSolaris installed on a single SATA drive attached to the motherboard, and it's rebooted with 5 more SATA drives attached to a Supermicro SAT2-MV8 [23:54:50] <dsch04> So far so good [23:54:58] <dsch04> But... (there's always a bit) ... [23:55:06] <stevel> you could use uvccapture and test it remotely [23:55:09] <stevel> that's how i have my webcam setup [23:55:20] <stevel> uvccapture doesn't compile out of the box on solaris, hang on - i can tar up my sources for you [23:55:25] <dsch04> When I run "format", it "hangs" and just sites there, looking for drives [23:56:15] *** bob_johnson has joined #opensolaris [23:56:56] <dsch04> Any idea how to diagnose this further? [23:57:26] <stevel> fireflyst: http://whacked.net/uvccapture-0.4-snv_71-patched.tar.bz2 [23:57:36] <stevel> should just build out of the box on nevada [23:57:41] <wesolows> mv8 - that's marvell, no? [23:57:50] <dsch04> Hang on... [23:57:53] <wesolows> marvell sata = endless tales of woe [23:58:14] <wesolows> however, since it's in Thumper, it should at least see your disks [23:59:17] *** tinman2k has quit IRC [23:59:59] <dlg> wesolows: why woe?