[00:02:12] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[00:03:55] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[00:09:12] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[00:22:10] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[00:23:30] *** jafari_ has quit IRC
[00:30:26] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[00:31:36] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris
[00:33:35] <jbk> hello
[00:41:30] <jmcp> time for a coffee
[00:42:01] *** storycrafte1 has quit IRC
[00:50:44] <Drone> boyd (boyd!i=brontita at ppp157-138 dot static.internode.on.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 10 Oct 2007 01:38 GMT, saying 'Now don't start that again'.
[00:51:40] * jmcp starts to wake up
[00:52:25] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC
[00:53:11] *** ashner has joined #opensolaris
[00:56:37] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris
[00:57:24] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[00:59:46] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:00:45] *** Megaf has quit IRC
[01:01:53] *** yippi has quit IRC
[01:04:02] *** plocher has quit IRC
[01:09:57] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[01:11:04] *** kupfer has quit IRC
[01:12:02] *** pfa3rh has quit IRC
[01:12:12] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris
[01:17:13] *** gavagai_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:17:31] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[01:26:48] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer
[01:27:35] *** matt_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:27:40] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[01:33:12] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[01:38:04] *** matt_ has quit IRC
[01:39:24] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris
[01:40:30] <Downix> Is there a VM for opensolaris?
[01:40:47] <Stric> huh?
[01:41:02] <Downix> like QEMU or VMWare
[01:41:13] <Stric> qemu should work
[01:41:14] <Downix> making a case to my boss to swap out our Xeon for a SPARC
[01:41:26] *** gavagai__ has joined #opensolaris
[01:41:29] <Stric> .. and emulating the old one?
[01:41:34] <Stric> that won't be too fast ;)
[01:42:09] <Downix> we only have an x86 for one app, and it runs on a P166
[01:42:13] <Downix> speed is not a worry
[01:42:25] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC
[01:42:28] <Stric> oh, right
[01:42:31] <Downix> everything else is open-source which I compile myself
[01:42:41] <Stric> well.. qemu should work.
[01:42:46] <Downix> Ok
[01:42:55] <Downix> Wasn't sure if it ran on solaris or not
[01:43:10] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC
[01:43:27] <Stric> I installed Win95 on an Ultra1 using Bochs (predecessor to qemu.. kinda) about 10 years ago
[01:43:52] <Downix> highest I ever ran on BOCHS was DR-DOS
[01:43:55] *** gavagai_ has quit IRC
[01:44:07] <gcmandrake> wish my ultra 45 would get here
[01:44:10] <Stric> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html
[01:44:33] <Downix> tyvm
[01:44:50] <Downix> going to be booting my own sparc shortly to try again to get Solaris onto it
[01:45:57] <Downix> at work I couldn't net-install due to the subnet masks being different, so going to do it at home now
[01:49:06] <seanmcg> Downix: check out the qemu pages on opensolaris ( http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/qemu )
[01:50:23] <Downix> oh cool
[01:50:38] <Downix> now to convince the boss that a T2 machine will save money....
[01:50:39] <Downix> 8)
[01:52:52] <jmcp> Downix: don't just look at the sticker price, remember to factor in power/cabling/cooling costs too :)
[01:53:00] <jmcp> TCO is .... fun to calculate
[01:53:45] <Downix> I am.  Right now the Xeon is sucking more wattage than a space heater... oh wait it IS a space heater!
[01:53:48] <kjetilho> e.g. console access can easily cost USD 500 or 1000 extra if it's not built-in
[01:53:53] <Downix> our AC bill is through the roof
[01:54:15] * kjetilho <3 serial access.  virtual KVM is such a pain.
[01:54:24] <moazamraja> anyone used a SuperMicro 1U Twin box yet?
[02:03:45] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC
[02:07:57] <Tempt> Stric: I installed Win95 on a SPARCstation 5 once.
[02:08:39] *** charlesnw has quit IRC
[02:08:56] <palowoda> Tempt: There goes all your future recommendations out the door.
[02:09:44] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC
[02:09:51] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris
[02:10:33] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:12:09] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[02:15:50] <Tempt> palowoda: It had one of those SunPC SBus cards with a 486 chip.
[02:16:23] <jamesd> anyone want to get connected on linkedin.com?
[02:16:28] *** gavagai__ has quit IRC
[02:16:40] <Stric> Tempt: did that on the ones with the 386 chip too..
[02:16:49] <Stric> or maybe that was just win311.. hm.
[02:16:54] <Tempt> Stric: This one was one of the last models, it had the AMD 5x86 chip.
[02:17:18] <Stric> didn't they go up to some celeron 1GHz or something too "in the end" ?
[02:17:26] <palowoda> Yeah the SunPC was one of those dead end products.  But it served a purpose for it's time.
[02:17:27] <Tempt> not in SBus, no.
[02:17:27] <Stric> where the host cpu was around 500MHz ;)
[02:17:33] <Stric> no, the pci ones
[02:17:34] <Downix> Tempt: hey, that would be cool on this SPARC.  8)
[02:17:52] <Tempt> Oh, the PCI ones are still rolling along, I think they're up to multi Ghz P4s now or something.
[02:19:23] *** bubbva has quit IRC
[02:19:30] <Downix> Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to host off of Linux for a network install
[02:19:36] <Downix> not Linux, Windows
[02:22:03] *** alfism has quit IRC
[02:25:37] *** JBeck has quit IRC
[02:25:55] <Downix> Ya know, the lack of support for my machine is downright fustrating
[02:26:37] <Downix> hmm
[02:26:44] <Downix> is there a firmware update?
[02:27:08] <Stric> .. for what?
[02:27:14] <Downix> SPARCStation 10
[02:27:19] <Downix> It has 2.10
[02:27:22] *** estibi has quit IRC
[02:27:57] *** jcsmith has quit IRC
[02:28:10] <palowoda> Downix: Do you have any money?
[02:28:21] <Downix> $0.83
[02:28:36] <palowoda> Nope no support for you.
[02:28:39] <Downix> heh
[02:28:46] <Downix> Hmm
[02:28:55] <Downix> maybe, maybe not
[02:29:04] <Downix> It is an Open Firmware, correct?
[02:29:25] <palowoda> N
[02:29:27] <palowoda> no
[02:29:46] <Downix> Hm, I was always led to believe that SPARCs used OF
[02:29:52] *** stevel has quit IRC
[02:30:22] <palowoda> Can't believe everything I guess.
[02:31:09] <Downix> By the guy that coded it infact, Mitch Bradley
[02:31:31] <Downix> that SPARCStations used Open Boot, which evolved into Open Firmware
[02:32:45] *** szt has joined #opensolaris
[02:34:22] *** jcsmith has joined #opensolaris
[02:34:42] <palowoda> So are you going to buy open firmware from him?
[02:34:53] <Downix> nope
[02:35:21] <palowoda> I hope he didn't pass away.
[02:35:46] <Downix> http://www.openbios.org  he seems pretty well alive to me
[02:35:58] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris
[02:36:42] <Downix> but no, my thought was, as I cannot get RARP to work right, I'd see about getting DHCP
[02:39:03] <Downix> Using FCode
[02:39:40] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris
[02:40:17] *** sarahj has quit IRC
[02:40:50] <Downix> just a thought if I can't get RARP to work this time
[02:41:42] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[02:43:26] *** Gman has quit IRC
[02:46:57] *** comay has joined #opensolaris
[02:50:32] *** comay has quit IRC
[02:52:16] *** plocher has quit IRC
[02:53:31] *** ACfromTX has joined #opensolaris
[02:54:36] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC
[03:03:07] *** simford has joined #opensolaris
[03:03:27] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[03:04:59] *** iron_angel has quit IRC
[03:05:31] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[03:13:34] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris
[03:13:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd
[03:19:59] *** dme has quit IRC
[03:20:08] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[03:31:05] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[03:39:43] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[03:39:51] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris
[03:43:45] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC
[03:47:30] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris
[03:47:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd
[03:53:11] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[03:58:38] *** theRealBallchalk has joined #opensolaris
[04:00:48] *** sriramnrn has quit IRC
[04:01:23] <storycrafter> Downix:  I've been able to netboot linux onto a SS2 from linux a while back
[04:01:23] *** sriramnrn_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:01:26] *** sriramnrn_ is now known as sriramnrn
[04:01:54] <Downix> storycrafter: I'm trying to figure out how to get the rarp to work out.
[04:02:05] <storycrafter> i do remember that was the hardest part
[04:02:15] <storycrafter> tftp and so on were cake after that
[04:02:24] <storycrafter> you're using linux as host?
[04:03:09] <Downix> I don't have a host as of yet
[04:03:19] <Downix> I tried on linux while at work, but no rarp
[04:04:19] <storycrafter> well, good luck with it, I don't see why it wouldn't work.  Course it was years ago since I last touched that SS2 box, so I have no clue on the OB revision level
[04:04:56] <storycrafter> and since you mention FCode anyways, you're a braver man than I
[04:05:42] <Downix> I worked for a company that used OF on the PPC, got to mess with some FCode there
[04:09:15] *** halton has joined #opensolaris
[04:09:55] <storycrafter> funny you mention that.  i'm working on getting sparc->ppc cross compiling work so I can try getting polaris running on my RS/6000 and PowerMac.  I may have to "go there"
[04:10:30] <Downix> ugh, I hate PPC after my experience
[04:10:44] <Downix> the worst features of RISC and CISC technologies all in one
[04:11:10] <storycrafter> heh
[04:13:10] <storycrafter> good luck.  gotta run.
[04:13:31] <Downix> have fun
[04:18:28] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[04:22:59] *** master_o1_master has joined #opensolaris
[04:23:11] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[04:24:34] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[04:25:03] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[04:27:06] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[04:27:44] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[04:28:00] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris
[04:33:45] *** master_of_master has quit IRC
[04:33:50] *** tax0n has joined #opensolaris
[04:36:01] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[04:36:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[04:41:06] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC
[04:44:12] *** szt has quit IRC
[04:44:13] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[04:44:21] *** tax0n has quit IRC
[04:52:57] *** Downix has quit IRC
[04:58:49] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris
[05:11:53] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[05:13:40] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[05:17:43] *** gpoo has quit IRC
[05:18:13] *** Trident has quit IRC
[05:18:18] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris
[05:21:16] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[05:22:17] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris
[05:22:59] *** duri has quit IRC
[05:33:45] *** laca has quit IRC
[05:38:09] *** stukreit__ has joined #opensolaris
[05:42:02] *** chrisso_ has joined #opensolaris
[05:47:00] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAWAY
[05:47:30] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[05:48:52] *** MegAWAY is now known as MegAFK
[05:49:02] <sommerfeld> amazing how a bad gbic will ruin your whole month
[05:53:46] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris
[05:53:51] *** Mazon has quit IRC
[05:53:52] <Tempt> sommerfeld: Yep, bad GBICs spell misery.
[05:54:11] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC
[05:54:17] *** Mazon has joined #opensolaris
[05:58:07] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris
[06:01:37] *** yongsun has left #opensolaris
[06:05:42] <sommerfeld> this one caused variable packet loss but typically at least 2% and sometimes 20%.
[06:06:27] <sommerfeld> i opened a ticket (complaining of lossy network between two adjacent buildings in massachusetts).  it was closed as a dup of a ticket reporting that a site in korea had fallen off of sun's internal network.
[06:07:19] <sommerfeld> i reopened.  last comment in there was essentially "well, ping to your switch from our switch runs clean.  must be a problem in your lab."
[06:07:36] <sommerfeld> while under another ticket they root-cause someone else's lossy performance to a bad gbic in that very switch.
[06:09:17] <jamesd> i thought its failure mode is why people liked fibre, its supposed to work 100% or fail 100%, thus making it perfect....
[06:09:56] <sommerfeld> clearly no.
[06:10:26] <sommerfeld> well, the fiber itself may behave that way.  the gadgets on the end of the fiber..
[06:11:00] <jbk> heh
[06:12:00] <jbk> this is reminding me of some of the stories from last night
[06:12:24] <sommerfeld> there are lots of good things about fiber.  No pins to bend is one.  No problems when two buildings disagree where GND is
[06:12:46] <sommerfeld> .. but gbics sometimes go bad
[06:14:02] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris
[06:14:26] <jamesd> hi dennis
[06:15:05] <dclarke> at the risk 0f being a tad whiney .. is anyone minding the store over at Sunsolve? I mean has anyone been able to download 10_x86_Recommended.zip ? I get a HTML file with embedded SQUID error messages and internal crud
[06:15:11] <dclarke> hello jamesd
[06:15:54] <dclarke> it says An FTP authentication failure occurred while trying to retrieve the URL: ftp://ssoftp at patches dot sun.com/patchroot/clusters/10_x86_Recommended.zip
[06:16:09] <jbk> hey dclarke
[06:16:14] <dclarke> Generated Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:04:27 GMT by gssdev01sz.east.sun.com (squid/2.5.STABLE7)
[06:16:17] <dclarke> hello Jason
[06:16:57] <dclarke> hopefully things are going well for other people .. I can't get patches to do my damn job
[06:17:19] <dclarke> maybe I can buy a CDROM with the patches on it .. does Sun still do that?
[06:17:31] * dclarke whines loudly
[06:17:38] <dclarke> :-)
[06:19:21] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[06:19:21] <dclarke> I have a machine here that reports /etc/release as Solaris 10 3/05 s10_74L2a X86
[06:19:35] <dclarke> that would be stock out of the box GA release S10
[06:22:27] * dclarke takes note of the dead silence
[06:22:41] <dclarke> clearly .. no one at home that knows anything about Sunsolve
[06:22:51] <jamesd> sorry... i'm a no budy i dont even have a sun solve account...
[06:22:54] <dclarke> screw it .. oh well .. I'll use what I have from two weeks ago
[06:22:55] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris
[06:23:03] <jbk> i still have mine from my old employer :)
[06:23:09] <jbk> but doesn't really help with any backend issues
[06:23:11] <dclarke> you mean your work does not have a support contract ?
[06:23:16] <jamesd> though they are looking for the information to get access using our corprate account... but its a slow process
[06:23:33] <dclarke> geez .. I have multiple contracts
[06:23:37] <dclarke> all paid for
[06:23:54] <dclarke> I think it is time to bump up to the premium level
[06:24:01] <dclarke> let me go see what that costs
[06:24:28] <jamesd> where i work has multiple as well.. just have to find the right people and ask the right questions... the down fall of being in a large corp.
[06:24:41] <dclarke> http://www.sun.com/service/subscriptions/index.jsp
[06:24:53] <dclarke> looks like $1080 USD
[06:25:01] <dclarke> which is cheaper than CDN these days
[06:25:05] <dclarke> so its a good deal
[06:25:16] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[06:25:23] <dclarke> that would be about .. $85 a month and I get 7x24 call in access
[06:25:31] <dclarke> I think it may be time for me to do that
[06:26:10] <dclarke> and then I'll provide tech support to the people inside Blastwave *because* it is a company and it has a contract and if someone has an issue .. then they get support.
[06:26:17] <dclarke> that may not be ethical however
[06:26:20] <dclarke> :-\
[06:27:03] <dclarke> one sec .. brb
[06:27:07] <jamesd> well if you are paying for support they should do it...  its not like you are going to call  them every month...
[06:28:04] *** chrisso_ has quit IRC
[06:28:57] *** chrisso_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:32:40] *** syndrome71 has left #opensolaris
[06:33:46] <dclarke> back
[06:34:06] <dclarke> with the amount of stuff I do .. yeah .. I'll call every week
[06:36:38] *** MegAFK is now known as Megaf
[06:38:04] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:43:13] *** benr_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:44:13] *** benr_ has quit IRC
[06:45:08] *** benr_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:45:50] *** benr has quit IRC
[06:45:53] *** benr__ has joined #opensolaris
[06:46:24] *** benr_ is now known as benr
[06:46:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benr
[06:47:48] *** Doc has quit IRC
[06:48:27] <benr> whats Glynn's nick?
[06:50:16] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[06:50:49] <g4lt-mordant> benr ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:51:20] <benr> duh.
[06:51:21] <benr> thanks.
[06:51:32] <benr> I need a memory upgrade. :)
[06:51:39] <Gman> hey benr
[06:51:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman
[06:53:17] <jbk> :)
[06:57:33] * benr goes to watch Scrubs
[06:58:16] <jbk> Gman: since you're here... question for you (should be quick)
[06:58:24] <Gman> sure
[06:59:22] <jbk> since it seems like the current houston os group is dead, what needs to be done to try to revive it (I thought someone mentioned the guy that was gonna do it moved out of the area, but that's unconfirmed)
[07:00:30] <jbk> well at least i hope it's an easy answer :)
[07:05:48] <Gman> yeah, i think jay has moved
[07:06:03] <Gman> so, might be worth just taking it on and seeing if there is interest
[07:06:29] <jbk> well i think there's probably at least 2 other people in houston that'd be interested :)
[07:07:05] <jbk> though perhaps the local sun office might know of more people as well..
[07:07:25] <jbk> just i was actually getting emails from other people asking me if i knew where the meetings were going to be
[07:07:34] <jbk> so, suggestive of interest at least
[07:08:43] <jbk> but might try to see if i can find some contacts at the local colleges & universities as well..
[07:09:58] <Gman> hrm
[07:10:09] <Gman> i'm not sure i know anyone in houston
[07:10:16] <Gman> might be worth dropping a mail to jim grisanzio
[07:11:07] <jbk> ok.. i can do that...
[07:11:10] <jamesd> bill bradford is somewhere in texas.
[07:11:21] <jbk> jamesd: that's somewhat vague :)
[07:11:43] <jamesd> mr. bill  the guy that runs  the sun managers mailing list.
[07:11:46] <jbk> the cloests is i know a sun guy i worked with in kc's boss is in houston
[07:11:59] <jbk> i mean 'somewhere in texas'
[07:14:32] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:14:41] <jbk> granted, that probably means either houston, dallas (most likely), austin (2nd likely), or san antonio
[07:15:13] <jbk> which are within a 5 hour drive of each other
[07:15:27] *** nyati has quit IRC
[07:15:52] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris
[07:16:33] *** sleepcat is now known as sleepcat2
[07:17:28] <jbk> wow
[07:17:35] <jbk> his linked in profile puts him in houston
[07:18:35] <jbk> anyway... i'll follow up tomorrow
[07:18:48] <jbk> time to get some sleep
[07:18:51] <Gman> night dude
[07:23:02] *** sleepcat2 has left #opensolaris
[07:25:08] <dclarke> hello late night folks
[07:25:37] <dclarke> I have a question that someone here may know .. and I *should* know .. but I don't and it has been years and I probably knew but forgot ..
[07:25:44] <dclarke> with all that preamble out of the way
[07:25:56] <dclarke> suppose you have a Solaris 10 GA system
[07:26:20] <dclarke> believe it or not .. and .. you apply the latest Solaris 10 x86 Recommended patch cluster
[07:26:21] <hile_> as in 3/05 GA?
[07:26:49] <dclarke> as in .. are you sitting?  as in /etc/release says s10x_wos_S74L2a
[07:26:52] <dclarke> or some such
[07:26:57] <dclarke> let me check
[07:27:23] <dclarke> s10_74L2a X86
[07:27:31] <dclarke> so .. yeah .. that would be the GA
[07:28:15] <dclarke> and I just popped in a CDROM with the latest ( okay .. two week old ) 10_x86_Recommended.zip patch cluster on it
[07:28:46] <dclarke> will I get feature updates like ZFS up to date and ethernet drivers etc ?
[07:28:52] <dclarke> that is the big question
[07:29:00] <hile_> not likely
[07:29:01] <dclarke> because the MU's are long since history
[07:29:09] <hile_> you'd get whatever have been released as *patches*
[07:29:12] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[07:29:17] <dclarke> hrmmm ... once upone a time a person could apply an MU
[07:29:33] <delewis> that's no longer the case.
[07:29:42] <dclarke> but only if the patch applies to a feature that was in GA
[07:29:44] <delewis> if you want features introduced after that release, you must upgrade to the next release.
[07:29:57] <dclarke> hrmmm .. that was what I feared to be true
[07:30:00] <delewis> that's what the case was for Solaris 8 and 9 and it's still the case for Solaris 10.
[07:30:03] <dclarke> okay .. this is an experiment anyways
[07:30:10] <dclarke> and thus far .. it is working
[07:30:27] <dclarke> I had a really lightweight machine here and I felt like perfomring the .. experiment
[07:30:37] <dclarke> install S10 GA .. patch .. reboot .. see what I get
[07:31:21] <dclarke> This is an IBM ThinkPad 390X with 256MB RAM and guess what .. S10 GA installs fine
[07:31:32] <dclarke> the S10 8/07 is just way too big as an installer
[07:31:42] <dclarke> but I'll bet I can upgrade
[07:31:51] <dclarke> and that .. is a worth while experiment
[07:32:12] <dclarke> it can simmer on a back burner all night doing patches and that is fine with me
[07:32:33] <dclarke> I have foreground tasks with an X2100 and an IBM e325 Opteron box that are more pressing ..
[07:32:43] <dclarke> but the S10 GA experiment .. is worthwhile
[07:33:01] <dclarke> thank you for the info delewis .. and nice to hear from you :-)
[07:33:05] * dclarke waves
[07:33:29] <delewis> sure
[07:33:46] <dclarke> I'm going to wander away ... put on headphones and putter away
[07:33:55] * dclarke wanders away
[07:37:50] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[07:41:57] <phrost> was b74 supposed to have xen built in?
[07:43:18] <jmcp> no
[07:43:19] <jmcp> 75
[07:43:34] <phrost> hah damn :(
[07:44:22] <phrost> is it hard to add on b74?
[07:44:39] <phrost> i should probably just wait for 75 before i try to build this i think
[07:44:39] <phrost> lol
[07:46:46] <jmcp> actually, it's 75a that you want
[07:46:51] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK
[07:54:56] *** Megaf is now known as _Megaf
[07:56:53] *** Gekz[sleep] has quit IRC
[07:57:34] *** Gekz has joined #opensolaris
[07:58:05] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[07:58:12] *** Gekz has joined #opensolaris
[07:58:44] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[07:58:53] *** Gekz has joined #opensolaris
[08:00:23] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[08:03:16] <phrost> hmm do they make just a dom0 kernel for b74?
[08:03:22] <phrost> i think that's all i'm missing from the binary packages
[08:04:40] <jmcp> phrost: if you want xVM, then you need 75a
[08:04:48] <jmcp> there won't be a "backport" to 74
[08:05:20] <phrost> and 75a isn't released yet right?
[08:05:20] *** storycrafter has quit IRC
[08:05:33] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris
[08:05:38] <jmcp> correct
[08:05:49] <phrost> jmcp: i thought i read somewhere that they released a patch or something on sol 10.. was that the b66 image?
[08:05:49] <jmcp> unless you want to pull the source yourself and build it
[08:06:06] <jmcp> phrost: uh, no
[08:06:08] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris
[08:06:10] *** l1s has quit IRC
[08:06:15] <jmcp> b66 is build 66 of Solaris Nevada
[08:06:38] <jmcp> there is no patch - at this time, at least- for Solaris 10 which will provide you with xVM on Solaris 10.
[08:07:12] * dlg install solaris again
[08:07:17] <phrost> i'll just wait for 75a then I think, no clue how to build source on solaris.. i've never done solaris building
[08:07:32] <phrost> just decided to pick it up over RHEL for containers and ZFS, but we use xen quite extensively right now
[08:08:24] <jmcp> phrost: have you done much reading about OpenSolaris and how it fits together, along with the terminology?
[08:08:27] *** _Megaf is now known as MegAFK
[08:09:01] * hile_ shakes his 8-ball
[08:09:04] <hile_> "Signs point to no"
[08:10:04] <phrost> lol
[08:10:10] <phrost> i've read more than you think
[08:11:13] <jmcp> phrost: just wanting to make sure that I don't spin you out if I use OpenSolaris jargon :)
[08:11:35] *** hile_ has quit IRC
[08:12:13] <phrost> jmcp: would following the guide on building @ OS communities be what I wanted?
[08:12:16] <phrost> nightly build?
[08:12:47] <phrost> this thing isn't production, doesn't matter if there's a nuclear meltdown
[08:12:52] <MegAFK> Bye, Tchau, Ciao, Hasta La Vista, Cya,
[08:13:06] *** MegAFK has quit IRC
[08:13:12] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[08:14:01] <jmcp> phrost: quite possibly
[08:14:13] <phrost> i found the right guide now
[08:14:28] <jmcp> lesse now .... you're ok with the difference between Solaris Express, Solaris Nevada, Belenix/martux/schillix/Nexenta and OpenSolaris ?
[08:14:43] <phrost> yeah
[08:14:46] <jmcp> good
[08:15:07] <jmcp> which guide are you reading at the moment?
[08:15:13] <phrost> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/install_quickstart/
[08:15:18] <jmcp> good
[08:15:45] <phrost> just gotta find sun studio 11 package
[08:15:55] <jmcp> you probably want to go through the Development Process and Developers' Reference sections too
[08:16:11] <jmcp> dlc.sun.com/ is a good place to start
[08:16:19] <jmcp> wait 1, i'll get you a better url
[08:17:19] <jmcp> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/
[08:17:29] <jmcp> right down the bottom of opensolaris.org/os/downloads
[08:17:56] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[08:18:32] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[08:20:17] <phrost> maybe you could answer another n00b question, what's the benefit of creating a ZFS within a ZFS
[08:20:28] <phrost> i'm from linsux world, it looks like sun's take on FUSE (file system in user space)
[08:21:05] <jmcp> not sure you've got the concepts right
[08:21:24] <jmcp> which is no surprise - it took me a while, and I'm a Sun employee + early adopter!
[08:21:31] <phrost> i gather zpool is like LVM for ZFS
[08:21:32] <jmcp> you create a zpool, out of which you create ZFS
[08:21:35] <jmcp> kinda-sorta
[08:21:57] <g4lt-mordant> fuse is linsux's craptacular attempt to get zfs usable by avoiding al viro
[08:22:08] <jmcp> the zpool is a container object, into which you throw your actual storage
[08:22:48] <jmcp> zfs are carved out from zpools, but without having to specify that you want block X to be on mirror Y
[08:23:28] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[08:23:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[08:23:43] <phrost> jmcp: ahh that's where the automated load balancing comes in?
[08:23:48] <jmcp> phrost: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/whatis
[08:23:51] <jmcp> sort-of
[08:24:17] <jmcp> there's a whole heap of concepts which everybody knows from decades of experience which really don't apply to ZFS because they're obsolete
[08:24:26] <phrost> haha go figure, i read the getting started guide but missed that page
[08:24:41] <jmcp> :)
[08:25:17] <phrost> yeah, zfs looked great for the containers / virtualization
[08:25:21] <jmcp> phrost: I've got a 2 year old presentation about it which might help ease you in - http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/~jmcp/ZFS_SOSUG17oct2005_preso.pdf
[08:25:24] <phrost> it's very.. dyanmic
[08:25:31] <phrost> dynamic*
[08:25:36] <jmcp> yeah
[08:26:11] <phrost> SAN engineering, now i'm in trouble
[08:26:12] <phrost> haha
[08:26:15] <jmcp> that's old
[08:26:22] <jmcp> I'm now working on SAS instead
[08:26:34] *** chrisso_ has quit IRC
[08:27:02] <jmcp> phrost: did you that we've got a feature in Solaris (and OpenSolaris) where if you move storage aroung (like cabling an array differently), then zfs and SVM will keep track of the change and keep the IO going to the correct device?
[08:27:32] <jmcp> http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/~jmcp/WhatIsAGuid.pdf explains the concepts behind that idea
[08:27:33] * jmcp takes the opportunity for more self-promotion .....
[08:28:08] <jteo> jmcp: :P
[08:28:15] <jmcp> shameless, totally shameless :-)
[08:28:31] <jmcp> need to update both of them, actually
[08:28:59] *** storycrafter has quit IRC
[08:29:09] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris
[08:29:17] <jmcp> phrost: btw, Jeff Bonwick - the ZFS Architect - has some blog entries which you'll find useful http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/blogs/?link=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.sun.com%2Fbonwick%2F&author=Jeff+Bonwick
[08:29:35] <phrost> neat
[08:31:59] <phrost> the pictures of the cockpit and the easy button are a nice touch
[08:32:00] <phrost> lol
[08:32:06] <jmcp> yeah
[08:32:16] <jmcp> did you like the pics explaining raid?
[08:33:03] <phrost> seen those before
[08:33:04] <phrost> lol
[08:33:20] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[08:33:27] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[08:34:37] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[08:36:49] *** dme has joined #opensolaris
[08:38:22] <phrost> jmcp: build ON source, or xVM source
[08:38:25] <phrost> or both
[08:38:28] <jmcp> phrost: both
[08:39:04] *** estibi_ has quit IRC
[08:41:23] <phrost> only thing i really miss so far from linsux is BSD ps.. i otta just add that ucb folder before $PATH
[08:43:34] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[08:45:01] <jmcp> no! don't do it!
[08:45:40] <phrost> why, is there some reason i'm missing that ps -ef is better than ps aux?
[08:46:25] <jmcp> BSD is evil :)
[08:46:46] <jmcp> the Solaris way is to use /usr/bin/ps With Options(tm)
[08:47:27] <phrost> do i just unpack this xVM tbz to the same build directory
[08:47:36] <phrost> because the readme only has options for the base ON tbz ( i assume)
[08:48:09] <jmcp> I don't actually know, I haven't looked into building the xVM stuff yet
[08:48:14] <jmcp> movement could tell you
[08:48:19] <jmcp> and richlowe as well
[08:48:43] <jmcp> lemme check
[08:49:00] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris
[08:49:39] <jmcp> phrost: it appears to be its own hg workspace, so unpack it at the same level as your ON source
[08:49:50] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris
[08:52:18] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris
[08:53:34] <phrost> man this is a lot of source code
[08:53:35] <phrost> lol
[08:57:01] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[08:57:06] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[09:01:24] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[09:03:54] <phrost> fun stuff, it's compiling itself now
[09:08:49] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris
[09:11:58] *** GmanAFK has quit IRC
[09:13:28] * g4lt-mordant flies a rockies banner at the end of a broom
[09:18:47] *** tsoome1_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:19:04] <dme> xVM is several hg repositories. Extract it in a different directory than the ON stuff.
[09:19:49] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris
[09:20:08] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[09:28:24] *** LeftWing has quit IRC
[09:30:36] *** chrisso has quit IRC
[09:33:55] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris
[09:34:49] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC
[09:39:12] *** chrisso has joined #opensolaris
[09:43:15] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris
[09:49:42] *** gobbler has joined #opensolaris
[09:49:42] *** jcea has quit IRC
[09:49:49] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC
[09:50:48] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris
[09:51:22] <jteo> wb Doc.
[09:51:28] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[10:00:08] *** dmarker has quit IRC
[10:00:25] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris
[10:06:48] *** migi has joined #opensolaris
[10:10:27] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris
[10:13:11] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[10:13:40] *** dnilsson has joined #opensolaris
[10:18:52] *** sartek has quit IRC
[10:19:19] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris
[10:21:39] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[10:22:14] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[10:22:41] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[10:43:52] <FastJack> mhh, a raidz can't be expanded with additional disks once it is created, right?
[10:45:48] <cmihai> Nope, but you can swap them for bigger disks and it will automagically grow. Or just add other RAIDZ's or disks to the pool.
[10:59:07] *** uebayasi has quit IRC
[11:00:08] *** kloczek has quit IRC
[11:02:10] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC
[11:03:38] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[11:05:50] <FastJack> hmm, I tried adding disks to the pool. but that disk didn't get added to the raidz. it just got concatenated to the raidz
[11:06:32] <flyingparchment> you need to add another raidz set
[11:06:39] <flyingparchment> (or whatever)
[11:06:48] <flyingparchment> that'll give you a raidz+0 pool
[11:06:53] <FastJack> so I can't just add a single disk?
[11:06:58] <flyingparchment> no
[11:07:03] <flyingparchment> well, you can, but it won't do what you want
[11:07:05] <FastJack> ok
[11:08:11] <cmihai> Yeah, you can't grow a RAID-Z array mate. Growing striping / data parity arrays is quite hard. And risky.
[11:10:28] <JWheeler> I don't understand why it's so hard
[11:10:41] <JWheeler> I'd have thought I'd be fairly easy to do atomically
[11:10:58] <flyingparchment> it's hard for raid5 because the stripe width changes
[11:11:05] <flyingparchment> for raidz, i'd expect it to be easier, but i don't know the details
[11:11:23] <JWheeler> sure, but you you create a stride at a time, then COW it over one by one
[11:11:25] <flyingparchment> possibly it has to rewrite existing stripes anyway to get full capacity from the drive
[11:11:42] <FastJack> I see. I was just wondering if it's possible to do something like the drobo-guys promise. http://www.drobo.com/
[11:12:06] *** vanob has joined #opensolaris
[11:12:07] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[11:12:42] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[11:12:51] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris
[11:12:53] <FastJack> I'm still sceptical how they can just replace disks and still provide data protection
[11:12:58] *** vanob has quit IRC
[11:12:59] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC
[11:13:24] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris
[11:13:31] <cmihai> FastJack, Isn't that JBOD
[11:14:03] <flyingparchment> up to 4 drives?  heh
[11:14:07] <JWheeler> It's weird, and I always find it odd when people advertise products for PC and MAC
[11:14:12] <JWheeler> what is PC exactly?
[11:14:25] *** dpn` has joined #opensolaris
[11:14:26] <JWheeler> my MAC is a computer, used personally by me
[11:14:38] <JWheeler> and my PC runs solaris... I wonder if that's what they meant
[11:14:42] <flyingparchment> JWheeler: it's a contraction of "IBM PC compatible"
[11:14:56] <JWheeler> ah, so x86 compatable then
[11:14:57] *** loky has joined #opensolaris
[11:15:18] <Cyrille> right, it comes from the "IBM PC" brand, which then had its clones/compatible variations.
[11:15:22] <JWheeler> somehow I expect they actually mean, an i386 host, crippled by some variant of windows
[11:15:35] <Cyrille> that's likely
[11:15:43] <flyingparchment> not just i386.. macs are i386-compatible but aren't IBM PC compatible
[11:15:53] <FastJack> it's attached via usb and it simulates an usb storage. but they promise that you can just swap drives and the size will automatically be adjusted. sounds strange
[11:15:57] *** loky has quit IRC
[11:15:58] <flyingparchment> i doubt it'd work on a Sun 386i either ;)
[11:16:04] <Cyrille> x86, more than i386 (I think we moved from those)
[11:17:14] <JWheeler> heh, speaking of which, I see linux is moving to x86 now
[11:17:23] <JWheeler> no more i386 or x86-64
[11:17:48] <cmihai> FastJack, that's bullshit
[11:18:07] <JWheeler> I don't suppose anyone knows much about the solaris scheduler, since that's the endless topic of conversation in the linux camp
[11:18:11] <cmihai> You can't add smaller drives, you can't just swap them at will and such.
[11:18:52] <JWheeler> Surely solaris must suffer many of the same issues, if anything solaris has tradionally been more targeted at big servers then linux has, so you have to wonder about the compromises <not> made for desktop interactivity
[11:18:55] <cmihai> FastJack, take ZFS for example. You can hot replace drives with larger drives.. say you have 4 500GB disks ina RAIDZ, swap them one at a time with 1TB disks (resilver between swaps) and it will automagically grow to 3TB.
[11:20:11] <cmihai> FastJack, not only that, "drobo" looks FileSystem specific.
[11:20:51] <JWheeler> presumably it just serves up a block device? Oh mind you, it if claims to grow seamlessly, maybe not then
[11:21:49] <cmihai> I kind of doubt the redundancy it provides.
[11:22:36] <cmihai> Ah, looks like I was right: it only supports NTFS, FAT32 and HFS+
[11:22:53] *** bnit1 has joined #opensolaris
[11:25:04] *** bzcrib has quit IRC
[11:25:05] *** nico has joined #opensolaris
[11:25:10] <nico> hi
[11:25:37] <trochej> JWheeler: According to Solaris internals, solaris tries to overcome desktop/server problems with various scheduling classes
[11:25:53] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[11:26:01] <JWheeler> I really must order that book
[11:26:06] <trochej> JWheeler: I don't know about linux, but thewy seem to try and take on everything with one scheguling solution, while solaris allows for choice
[11:26:10] <trochej> JWheeler: Rox
[11:26:17] <cmihai> Hm... looks like it just does think provisioning. ZFS has that too.
[11:26:22] <nico> I have a little problem while trying to install opensolaris on a server with areca cards
[11:26:54] <JWheeler> Rox?
[11:27:10] <trochej> JWheeler: The book is excellent.
[11:27:17] <trochej> JWheeler: That was a translation for you :)
[11:27:33] <nico> trying to use the "Driver update" mechanism at install time to add areca (1110) cards driver but it does not find the drivers on my usb key
[11:27:42] <nico> am I missing something ?
[11:28:26] <JWheeler> what are areca cards?
[11:28:34] <nico> JWheeler: RAID cards
[11:28:40] <JWheeler> ah
[11:29:04] <nico> JWheeler: I'm building a filer (12 disks, 3 cards with 4 ports)
[11:29:13] <JWheeler> my understand of the solaris install process is very limited sorry
[11:29:26] <nico> np
[11:29:29] <trochej> JWheeler: There is a special interactive scheduling class that gives extra boost for GUI applications
[11:29:35] <nico> this is my first solaris install
[11:30:13] <JWheeler> On my NAS, I just have the OS running on a plain PATA disk, with everything else on sata/zfs
[11:30:32] <JWheeler> sure, it might fall over, but when zfs boot support comes along, I'll move it then
[11:31:08] <nico> JWheeler: I don't use RAID functions of the cards, just to have a bunch of disks
[11:31:23] <JWheeler> But you still need a driver?
[11:31:42] <trochej> JWheeler: Actually, there was a push from Kon Colivas to make pluggable schedulers in Linux, but Linus with Molnar scratched that
[11:31:49] *** simford has quit IRC
[11:32:21] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris
[11:32:38] <nico> JWheeler: yes, to have at least the disks seen by the system :)
[11:33:04] <FastJack> JWheeler: your nas sounds interesting. I'm trying to cobble a nas together with solaris running off a read-only compact flash
[11:33:27] <JWheeler> trochej: Yes, I was reading an interview with him today in fact. Really interesting read :)
[11:33:39] <JWheeler> FastJack, wow, RO....hardcore
[11:34:22] <JWheeler> nico, Ok, so back to basics then. In the installer, are you seeing your USB key mounted from a terminal? Maybe you'll need to load the driver by hand
[11:35:35] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[11:35:40] <nico> JWheeler: how can I see this ?
[11:35:41] <kjetilho> anyone tried eSATA Port Multiplier with Solaris?
[11:36:38] <JWheeler> I've not ever tried to add drivers during install... so I'm not sure. Are you using the graphical installer?
[11:36:46] <nico> JWheeler: nope
[11:36:51] <JWheeler> If so you can just fire up another terminal somewhere along the way
[11:36:54] <JWheeler> hmm
[11:37:15] <nico> JWheeler: what I mean is that I don't know how to see if my usb key is seen
[11:37:28] <JWheeler> oh, try format
[11:37:31] <JWheeler> see if it shows up
[11:37:32] <nico> I have access to a term
[11:37:36] <nico> ok
[11:37:52] <JWheeler> or rmformat (I think, I've not used it)
[11:38:10] <JWheeler> iostat -E is another fun one
[11:38:46] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris
[11:38:53] <palowoda> kjetilho: Most of the sata driver manpages indicate that port multipliers are not supported.
[11:38:54] <dlg> how do i tell zfs to use a slice instead of a disk?
[11:39:32] <palowoda> They where working on NCQ last I heard.
[11:39:44] <JWheeler> just specify the slice as the target, rather then the plain disk?
[11:39:51] <dlg> cool
[11:39:56] <kjetilho> palowoda: a pity.  the Addonics web page for their 5x1 indicates Solaris is supported, though.
[11:39:58] <dlg> how do i create a new slice?
[11:39:59] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[11:40:18] <JWheeler> I don't know about creating them, but you can set how big they are using format
[11:40:28] <JWheeler> I think the number of slices is preset isn't it?
[11:40:32] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[11:40:52] <palowoda> I wonder if port multipliers are going to reduce performance though.
[11:41:02] *** dsch04 has quit IRC
[11:41:05] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris
[11:41:28] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[11:41:46] <JWheeler> palowoda, do they work like trunks? SAS has a feature where it bundles 4 together into a 600MB/sec 'uplink'
[11:42:23] <JWheeler> But it can't be much worse then scsi 320? (sata-2 = 300)
[11:42:26] <nico> JWheeler: format says "no disks found"
[11:42:28] <dlg> port multipliers hurt
[11:42:40] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris
[11:43:07] <kjetilho> palowoda: I saw one test performed on MacOS -- in bulk transfer it peaked at 410 MB/s
[11:43:32] <kjetilho> in his test, that's the performance he got with 4 directly attached drives.  so using the 5 slot reduced the potential performance
[11:43:37] <JWheeler> nico, Ok... not good. You said you have a driver for the card though
[11:43:41] <JWheeler> rmformat?
[11:44:41] <nico> JWheeler: I have one, on an usb key
[11:44:55] <nico> JWheeler: but I can't load it from the usb key
[11:45:40] <nico> JWheeler: I don't even know if the usb key is seen by the installer (format says no disk found)
[11:45:49] <JWheeler> what about rmformat?
[11:47:41] <nico> JWheeler: command not found :)
[11:47:53] <nico> JWheeler: but iostat -E has done well
[11:47:59] <palowoda> kjetilho: Sorry got distracted.  I racoon was attacking a duck outside my window.  Do you have that MacOS test report URL handy?
[11:48:05] <JWheeler> It's not sounding promising then
[11:48:21] <nico> it says "error" on sd3
[11:48:38] <nico> JWheeler: does it need a special FS ?
[11:48:41] <JWheeler> Personally, given that this is your first install, I'd be starting off simpler
[11:48:56] <nico> JWheeler: I can't :(
[11:49:19] <JWheeler> try installing onto a plain "OS" disk, and then work towards getting your areca cards working
[11:49:26] <kjetilho> palowoda: http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/addonics/5x1/
[11:49:37] <nico> JWheeler: yeah, gonna try this
[11:49:42] <nico> JWheeler: thanks
[11:49:54] <kjetilho> palowoda: I see I may have misrepresented the result -- but my conclusion is that the performance penalty is very slight for bulk
[11:50:04] <JWheeler> Once you know what to be doing, and you've working out what needs to be done to get your USB stick working, then you might be away
[11:50:05] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[11:50:21] <JWheeler> it could be as simple as mounting it with PCFS in some fashion, I just don't know
[11:50:26] <kjetilho> (harder to say how it influences the latency of I/O ops -- I guess that's driver dependent, too.)
[11:50:30] <JWheeler> get your feet wet first eh?
[11:51:48] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[11:53:14] *** bruci has joined #opensolaris
[11:53:48] <palowoda> kjetilho: Hey that is a cool looking sata case.  Same type of case I had an E65 mini style motherboard in.  In fact Addonics is one of those OEM that are located right down
[11:53:52] <palowoda> the road from me.
[11:54:40] <nico> JWheeler: is it possible to set zfs RAID on / ?
[11:54:55] <palowoda> The case still has a four port direct connect.
[11:55:29] <JWheeler> nico, not yet
[11:55:48] <palowoda> Nice for a raidz2 3T type box.
[11:55:49] <JWheeler> I don't know if it ever will be possible to have raid-z, mirrors will
[11:56:37] <nico> JWheeler: I'll set the raid on the motherboard then
[11:56:48] <JWheeler> Given that zfs chucks meta data around the various slices rather then just treating the whole disk like a single big block device, maybe it will be possible to include enough information across a raidz for grub to be able to read and boot off it
[11:56:54] <JWheeler> I sure hope it'll work that way
[11:57:11] <nico> I will end up with 10 * 500G raid-Z2 for the data
[11:57:29] <JWheeler> Sounds like a good start!
[11:57:30] <palowoda> I thought zfs boot only works with mirror?
[11:57:47] <JWheeler> palowoda, that's currently the case, yup.... I'm musing
[11:57:55] <palowoda> Ah.
[11:57:58] <nico> ho
[11:58:11] <nico> I want to set mirror for my system, not raidz
[11:58:29] <JWheeler> you're ok there nico, go ahead - mirror will work
[11:58:39] <JWheeler> well, it depends on what you're after
[11:58:42] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris
[11:58:48] <JWheeler> zfs-mirror-boot is a complex beast to setup
[11:58:58] <nico> haha :)
[11:59:02] <JWheeler> It's not officially supported at all yet
[11:59:14] <JWheeler> I'd stick with a motherboard/hw mirror for the moment
[11:59:24] <JWheeler> In another month or two it might be more standard :)
[11:59:45] <nico> no pain, no gain :)
[12:01:12] <nico> JWheeler: thanks for your help btw
[12:01:26] <JWheeler> Well, I can babble, I don't know how much help I've been
[12:01:39] <JWheeler> but I'll be here for further babbling if you'd like :)
[12:01:42] <nico> much :)
[12:01:52] * nico is gonna stick on this chan
[12:03:14] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris
[12:09:15] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[12:24:14] *** yuuki has joined #opensolaris
[12:24:43] <palowoda> kjetilho:  If your still there and for what it's worth I have some notes where Ian Collins got about 232MB/sec from a raidz 4+1 setup on a Quad FX AMD type system. Direct connect.  I doen't know what big advantages are to gain with multiplexing to a channel.  More drives/space but I wouldn't go for write throughput on down to a single channel.
[12:26:32] <kjetilho> you gain the ability to add external enclosures
[12:26:33] * dlg need jmcp
[12:27:08] <kjetilho> with eSATA MP you should be able to add a dozen disks to a commodity PC with excellent performance
[12:27:09] <palowoda> Yeah you can gain some easy expansion.
[12:27:15] <kjetilho> s/MP/PM/
[12:28:30] <palowoda> Some of these new motherboards already have 6 and 8 ports.  But yes Sun has no low end storage solution.
[12:30:17] <kjetilho> it's a challenge to fit 8 disks inside a normal PC chassis
[12:30:24] <kjetilho> I'm thinking home use here, definitely
[12:31:47] <palowoda> Damn I go to Fry Electronics and see all kinds of cases that might handle 8 drives.  In fact the market is flooded with all kinds of cases.
[12:32:51] <kjetilho> you won't get hotswap though
[12:33:23] *** _Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[12:33:57] <palowoda> Brings up a good question which SATA controllers support hotswap with Solaris (x86/64)?
[12:36:53] <palowoda> Or is hotswap/hotplug what ever you want to call it supported on all sata controllers as a rule?
[12:37:52] <kjetilho> I think the controllers support it, but the physical interface may not
[12:39:02] <palowoda> Yeah if you read the si3124 manpage it's just not clear.
[12:44:44] <trochej> Call da saport
[12:45:28] <palowoda> They are on a coffee break.
[12:46:48] <palowoda> Heck Sun support should win awards for coffee breaks. :)
[12:47:08] <PerterB> I'm pretty sure I saw an email (maybe on zfs-discuss) from someone in the driver team saying hotplug was supported by all the sata drivers (just not port multipliers, and I think currently only marvell has ncq)
[12:48:04] <kjetilho> can I specify NFS version as part of an NFS URL used in Jumpstart?
[12:48:19] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris
[12:48:43] <palowoda> I would hope the thumper supports hotplug.  It's not a lowend type hardware configuration.
[12:49:18] <kjetilho> do you really want to pull it out while running?
[12:49:27] * kjetilho is wary of moving spinning disks
[12:50:18] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[12:56:01] <palowoda> I guess take the device offline from the zpool before unplugging it.
[12:56:42] <palowoda> Wasn't there a way to spin down?
[12:59:45] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris
[12:59:46] <myrkraverk> hi all
[13:00:43] <myrkraverk> given "some other operating system Y" is it feasible to grab the ON sources for the nfs client, in order to make an nfs client for Y?
[13:01:30] <palowoda> Y no.
[13:01:39] <quasi> somehow I doubt it very much
[13:02:48] <myrkraverk> ;)
[13:03:04] <palowoda> Yeah we all hoped it would be that simple.
[13:04:26] <myrkraverk> ;-P
[13:05:15] <palowoda> You can always buy an Apple product and sue Jobs if it makes you feel better. :)
[13:06:59] *** bruci has quit IRC
[13:09:10] <myrkraverk> erm? why would I want to sue jobs?
[13:09:24] <palowoda> Your right the line is too long.
[13:09:52] <myrkraverk> btw, is nfs 4 the xnfs spec? or something else?
[13:10:17] <palowoda> The 4.1 spec?
[13:11:02] <myrkraverk> not neccesarily
[13:11:28] <palowoda> Ok not neccesarily.
[13:12:09] <myrkraverk> ;)
[13:12:10] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[13:13:18] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[13:13:58] <myrkraverk> ah, found rfc 3010
[13:14:28] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:20:05] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[13:25:33] *** benr has quit IRC
[13:30:06] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris
[13:31:13] *** peteh has quit IRC
[13:31:41] <kjetilho> gah, how can they put the Dell SC1425 in the HCL if the SCSI controller's firmware isn't supported?!
[13:33:12] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[13:34:13] <palowoda> Maybe somebody tested it and Dell did everybody a favor of upgrading the firmware.
[13:35:02] <kjetilho> it works with the original Adaptec firmware, not Dell's
[13:35:22] <flyingparchment> did they just change the pci id, or something else?
[13:35:26] <palowoda> Becuase Dell is special?
[13:35:50] <kjetilho> Solaris doesn't support the RAID features of the controller, and it's impossible to turn it off in Dell's firmware
[13:36:09] <kjetilho> that's what my Google search tells me, anyway
[13:36:11] <palowoda> Is that what the HCL says?
[13:36:20] <kjetilho> no, the HCL says nothing about any gotchas
[13:36:27] <flyingparchment> impossible to turn off?  heh.  that's awesome
[13:36:36] <kjetilho> only two comments from people who get "No disks can be found", like me
[13:37:11] <flyingparchment> i had fun with my PE1950 (need external drivers for the ethernet and sas controllers), but other than that it does work
[13:37:18] *** jwit has quit IRC
[13:37:35] <kjetilho> yeah, I have a miniroot patched for PE1950, that's fine since it's a onetime job
[13:37:55] <kjetilho> we actually have 70 of these SC1425 which may or may not be switched to Solaris some time in the future
[13:38:25] <kjetilho> flashing all of them with an unsupported (by Dell) firmware revision isn't tempting
[13:39:24] <flyingparchment> i thought i saw something about adaptec and solaris on their linux page.. did you look there already?
[13:39:41] <kjetilho> no, which page?
[13:39:54] <flyingparchment> linux.dell.com (i don't remember the exact link, sorry)
[13:40:33] <kjetilho> ok -- I find Dell's support pages really useless.  so hard to find the correct software and info
[13:41:54] <FastJack> oh, those wacky italians again. http://fastjack.at/snapshots/Welcher_Prozessor_denn_nun.png :)
[13:42:34] <kjetilho> hmm, perhaps it will work if I just install the latest Dell firmware updates
[13:42:50] *** karrotx has quit IRC
[13:43:35] <kjetilho> really annoying that you need a Windows box to make the firmware boot media, too.
[13:45:06] <palowoda> Dell has limited resources just like everybody else.
[13:45:44] *** yuuki has quit IRC
[13:45:46] <kjetilho> would it kill them to distribute the files as ZIP instead of EXE?
[13:45:52] <kjetilho> at least as an option?
[13:46:00] <myrkraverk> kjetilho, probably ;)
[13:46:01] <kjetilho> (some of the EXE are ZIP, but not all.)
[13:46:23] <Cyrille> but... but... doesn't everyone run windows? ;-)
[13:46:25] <palowoda> Your talking about Dell right?
[13:46:37] <kjetilho> *grumble*
[13:46:47] <myrkraverk> Cyrille, nope, I keep my curtians *closed*
[13:47:14] <myrkraverk> kjetilho, in theory, wine might help
[13:47:39] <palowoda> Come on you can't burn firmware in wine.
[13:48:46] <kjetilho> no, but you can write to a floppy
[13:49:25] <myrkraverk> palowoda, that's debatable -- last time I heard, ethanol was flammable ;)
[13:49:32] <palowoda> Err Dell still depends of floppies for updates?
[13:49:33] <kjetilho> (and freedos is sufficient as the bootable medium)
[13:49:47] <kjetilho> or USB memory stick, doesn't matter
[13:52:12] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris
[13:52:27] *** SamuraiMark has quit IRC
[13:52:55] <palowoda> s/of/on
[13:56:12] *** dnilsson has quit IRC
[13:57:01] <palowoda> I wonder if they brought up such a problem like the Firmware issue and Dell at the Indiana development meeting.  Seems like a common issue that Indiana should address.
[13:57:12] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[13:58:50] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris
[14:05:17] *** Drone has quit IRC
[14:07:41] <Berny_> kjetilho: i have that rebranded adaptec controllers here as well... no help from dell... you can't flash it with the adaptec firmware straight away... i ended up using a spare lsi controller
[14:07:47] *** mikefut_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:08:13] *** darrenm has left #opensolaris
[14:08:19] <kjetilho> Berny_: so newest Dell firmware won't help?
[14:08:38] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep}
[14:08:41] *** Gekz[sleep} is now known as Gekz[sleep]
[14:08:48] <Downix> This is funny, an emulated system is more stable than the included OS on this machine
[14:09:11] <Berny_> kjetilho: i tried like 8 weeks ago... no fun :-\
[14:09:21] <Berny_> dell support line couldn''t help either
[14:09:40] <kjetilho> that's really bad news, but very useful to know!
[14:09:44] <Berny_> they tried to escalate that issue but still no results
[14:10:03] <Downix> Berny_: what's up? (as I have a dead Dell always perks up when I hear dell support line mentioned)
[14:10:56] <Berny_> there was a forum post somewhere describing how to pull of some firmware bits off an original adaptec card and put that on the dell branded cards... after that you could flash them with the adaptec firmware
[14:11:06] <kjetilho> Berny_: yes, I found that post
[14:11:15] <Berny_> haven't tested that myself as i don't have a adaptec card
[14:11:31] <kjetilho> right -- the author seems to hand out the image via e-mail, though
[14:11:39] <Berny_> Downix: just dell fucking up adaptec controllers with their crippled firmware
[14:11:57] <Berny_> kjetilho: the spare lsi card was faster and painless ;-)
[14:12:03] <Downix> Berny_: Ugh, don't remind me.  I have 2 Dell servers here with less than stellar performance.
[14:13:03] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[14:13:20] <Downix> trying hard to convince the boss to shelve them as local fileservers and buy a SPARC for our main webserver
[14:15:55] *** Downix has quit IRC
[14:16:42] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris
[14:17:16] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris
[14:21:47] *** mikefut__ has joined #opensolaris
[14:22:25] *** Belgar has quit IRC
[14:25:07] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris
[14:25:22] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[14:31:18] *** migi is now known as migiFood
[14:31:50] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC
[14:34:53] <Downix> Ok, after the fustration in getting the SPARC running, decided I'm buying an UltraSPARC as a companion for it.
[14:35:04] <Downix> and using that to jumpstart the other
[14:35:39] *** noyb has quit IRC
[14:36:55] <quasi> I've been using sol10 on x86 to jumpstart sparcs without problems
[14:37:40] <Downix> Well, I've wanted an US anyways
[14:37:44] *** trede has joined #opensolaris
[14:37:52] <Downix> don't tell the wife that sol runs on x86
[14:37:53] <Downix> 8)
[14:38:14] <gcmandrake> what usparc machine are you going to get
[14:38:38] <quasi> ah, good point - if I wanted more sparc gear, I've still got a couple of machines piled up in the corner
[14:38:41] <Downix> an older model, hunting for like a 1-10
[14:39:02] <Downix> quasi:  I collect odd computers.  My only running SysV system, for instance, is a 68030
[14:39:11] *** mikefut_ has quit IRC
[14:39:21] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer
[14:40:30] <quasi> Downix: ah - our facilities manager would kill me if I started powering on some of the older boxes as the ups has already hit 90%
[14:41:13] <Downix> quasi:  heh, I *am* the facilities manager here
[14:41:30] <Downix> altho I don't feel like it with how tied my hands are
[14:42:02] <Downix> **grumbles**
[14:42:31] <quasi> basically, facilities manager is just another word for the guy with the screwdrivers and the roll of cable
[14:42:37] <Downix> yup
[14:42:45] <Downix> don't forget the duct tape!
[14:42:57] <Downix> have to hide those cables somehow
[14:43:00] <gcmandrake> I can't wait to see duct tape being used on an actual duct
[14:43:07] <Downix> hehe
[14:43:17] <Downix> in any case, bidding on an Ultra10 on ebay right now
[14:43:38] <gcmandrake> my ultra 45 shipped today
[14:43:39] <Downix> seems to be a pretty low-end build, but it'll be fine for this.
[14:43:40] <Downix> Nice
[14:43:53] <gcmandrake> sun goes to work way too early
[14:43:53] <quasi> gcmandrake: eek, those are not cheap
[14:44:10] <Downix> I still think this place needs to quit with the 4 Xeons and go to a single T1000 w/ one Xeon as a redundancy circuit.
[14:44:24] <gcmandrake> 4 xeons... sounds like a waste of energy
[14:44:38] <Downix> gcmandrake, Yup, each one dual-duals
[14:44:39] <quasi> Downix: except you'd want the t1000 replacement
[14:44:41] <gcmandrake> we can say that now that the t1/t2 are available, lol
[14:44:54] <quasi> Downix: buying t1000 today makes little sense
[14:45:10] <Downix> quasi: I know, we're holding off on upgrades for 8 months
[14:45:37] <quasi> Downix: they should be more or less available right now
[14:45:51] <Downix> Well, this is more than just servers
[14:45:56] <Downix> we've expanded too fast
[14:45:57] <quasi> ah
[14:46:15] <Downix> need to stabilize the codebase and userbase
[14:46:32] <quasi> I know the feeling - usually much pain and suffering in the post cleanup
[14:46:42] <Downix> Our 4 Xeons are split over 3 different hosts
[14:46:59] <Downix> The plan is to consolidate and migrate to a local host
[14:47:41] <Downix> but with so many websites... oy vey!
[14:47:59] <quasi> are the xeons running solaris?
[14:48:03] <jteo> Downix: are you embracing virtualization? ;P
[14:48:06] <Downix> Some are
[14:48:09] <Downix> some are running CentOS
[14:48:20] <bda> BrandZ.
[14:48:26] <quasi> then just slice and dice with ldoms and move straight over
[14:48:27] <Downix> two Solaris boxes, one CentOS box, one Fedora box
[14:48:29] <bda> Though heh, not recent CentOS/RHEL.
[14:48:30] <Downix> jteo:  yup.
[14:48:35] <quasi> bda: not for production
[14:48:40] <bda> quasi: We'll seeeee.
[14:48:45] <jteo> Downix: xen?
[14:48:56] <Downix> quasi:  that was my thinking
[14:49:09] <Downix> jteo: well, testing it on our local server right now
[14:49:11] <gcmandrake> ugh, I have a RHEL contract :(
[14:49:15] <quasi> bda: ldoms and ubuntu would be my choice (or xen on the longer term)
[14:49:21] <quasi> gcmandrake: lucky you
[14:49:34] <bda> quasi: It's a short-term solution, our existing distro is Debian 3.1.
[14:49:35] <Downix> that reminds me
[14:49:39] <gcmandrake> money I could've spent on something else
[14:50:02] <Downix> bda:  I have that on my SPARC right now.  Want to put Solaris on it (my personal machine, not my work machine)
[14:50:09] <bda> Short-term as in "get the damn services off real systems" until I can get enough dev time.
[14:50:13] * bda is using zones heavily.
[14:50:25] <quasi> bda: honestly I'd be very reluctant to try - I'd probably find something x86 and just stick vmware on it for the duration
[14:50:51] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[14:50:54] <bda> quasi: Have you done any testing?
[14:51:14] <quasi> bda: of brandz?
[14:51:16] <bda> Yeah.
[14:51:23] <Downix> with the number of sites we have to admin, virtualization is about the only method to keep them organized
[14:51:36] * bda is always happy to hear about other's experiences with stuff he's starting to invest time in.
[14:52:15] <quasi> bda: no, I don't particularly like linux and having to run a 2.4 kernel is not something I'd like very much
[14:52:19] <bda> Downix: Yeah, same here. I'm collapsing as much as I can into zones. Picked up an X4150. Will pick up another early next year.
[14:52:28] <Downix> bda:  how many sites are you managing?
[14:52:39] <bda> quasi: Well, we already do that basically everywhere legacy (which are the things I'd be virtualizing).
[14:52:57] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz
[14:52:57] <bda> All the places that *really* matter are running FAI-controlled 2.6, though still Debian 3.1 (sigh).
[14:53:11] <bda> Downix: Three sites, ~40 boxes, mixed environment still dominantly Linux.
[14:53:26] <Downix> bda:  not too bad.  3224 sites here
[14:53:34] <bda> That's a lot of sites. :P
[14:53:35] <Downix> (and I wish I wasn't kidding)
[14:53:41] <Downix> erm, was kidding
[14:53:59] <Downix> and due to the setup, most of them are inert
[14:54:06] <bda> What's the market, if you don't mind my asking?
[14:54:25] <Downix> more like what isn't the market
[14:54:38] <bda> ?
[14:55:00] <axisys> Downix: wow! 3224 sites?
[14:55:11] <Downix> Can't give any real details as most of the sites are not yet rolled out
[14:55:13] <axisys> Downix: what you use to manage user accounts? ldap?
[14:55:48] <Downix> axisys: PLesk does most of the site management, but that's getting unweildy.  For users it's... complex.
[14:55:58] <quasi> average isps and hosting providers usually do a lot more sites than that
[14:56:28] <Downix> quasi:  right, and it's the transitioning from site portal to hosting providor that we're in right now
[14:56:45] <quasi> Downix: oh joy ;)
[14:57:01] *** tinman2k has joined #opensolaris
[14:57:04] <Downix> I'll be busy for a long while
[14:57:05] <axisys> lately I have been looking for a central management tool.. i looked at puppet/cfengine/bcfg2
[14:57:12] <quasi> Downix: yeah, I bet
[14:57:29] <Downix> Trying to get all of these sites into a single, organized manner.....
[14:57:50] <axisys> but trying to find something to manage users/sudo/group stuff like those among my 300 servers..
[14:58:05] <bda> ..ugh. Always forget how much I hate RH's /etc.
[14:58:08] <Downix> axisys:  you're hitting the same problems I am
[14:58:23] <axisys> Downix: i heard aol is using puppet
[14:58:32] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[14:58:33] <bda> We're moving towards puppet slowly.
[14:58:38] <bda> So far I'm pretty happy with it.
[14:58:41] <quasi> Downix: I architechted our shared hosting setup some years back mighrating 50 or 60 odd machines of windows and unix vhosting into one setup - lots of fun and hard work
[14:58:46] *** wms has joined #opensolaris
[14:58:58] <Downix> quasi:  sounds good
[14:59:13] <axisys> quasi: what do u use to manage user accounts? ldap?
[14:59:13] <quasi> but in the end well worth it to get rid of 40 windos boxes
[14:59:44] <axisys> bda: same question to you.. hwo do you manage user accounts? puppet or ldap?
[15:00:34] <bda> axisys: Neither yet. I haven't decided. I only have a small number of accounts to manage, so LDAP doesn't really lend itself.
[15:00:35] <axisys> bda: i like bcfg2 better.. but way to many dependecies and no solaris pkg yet... may be encap type sol pkg
[15:00:48] <quasi> we did layer7 switching in front and serving files off a netapp cluster such that site could pick and choose between php and cgi on unix and asp on windows all inside the same site
[15:02:07] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[15:04:08] <Downix> I need to learn how to migrate tho
[15:04:26] <Downix> the boss is thinking of migrating two of the solaris machines onto one machine
[15:04:35] *** masta has joined #opensolaris
[15:05:19] *** ashner has quit IRC
[15:05:49] <axisys> Downix: sol 10 to sol 10?
[15:05:53] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris
[15:06:00] <Downix> right
[15:06:17] <Downix> we don't have many sites on the Linux machines
[15:06:28] <Downix> the Solaris machines have ~80% of our sites right now
[15:07:13] <axisys> Downix: the reason I asked that is I think on oct 22ndish there is a sol 8 to sol 10 migration kit coming up
[15:07:21] <Downix> ah
[15:07:23] *** hile_ has joined #Opensolaris
[15:07:29] <axisys> where u take a image of sol 8 and put it on a sol 10 container
[15:07:54] <axisys> the opensolaris version of that tool is called etude
[15:08:11] <axisys> it only works for sparc though... i believe
[15:08:43] <axisys> or x86 .. cn't remember exactly
[15:08:44] <jteo> project etude.
[15:09:10] <jteo> http://blogs.sun.com/dp/entry/project_etude_revealed
[15:09:19] <axisys> i am not sure if you could use the same tool to migrate a sol 10 to a sol 10 container
[15:10:09] <Downix> the sites are already in a container
[15:10:14] <Downix> I'm not that crazy
[15:10:44] <axisys> Downix: oh nice..  that it is 90% done already :-)
[15:10:53] <JWheeler> This is weird, that's 2 nights in a row that this PC has died at around 1:45am
[15:10:55] <axisys> s/that/then/
[15:10:59] <jteo> migrating a sol 10 zone is doable. via a series of hacks
[15:11:00] <JWheeler> kernel panic :/
[15:11:32] <axisys> jteo: cool
[15:11:57] <jteo> i'm not sure whether they've actually added that feature in...
[15:12:30] <axisys> jteo: i did migrate sol 10 zone from one system to another.. if that is what you are referring to
[15:12:38] <jteo> axisys: ah.
[15:12:45] <axisys> jteo: i basically followed the docs.sun.com
[15:13:10] <jteo> axisys: ah. yes that was what i was referring to. i'm a tad out of date.
[15:13:35] <Downix> ok
[15:15:39] <Downix> yay, boss is aok'ing the new install
[15:15:55] <Downix> putting those two onto a dual quad-core xeon should help
[15:16:14] *** halton has left #opensolaris
[15:18:05] <trochej> I would very muc h like to live here for a while:
[15:18:06] <trochej> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=988100528&context=pool-429326@N25&size=l
[15:19:02] <tinman2k> how do you get groceries up there
[15:19:15] <jteo> ftp?
[15:19:40] <tinman2k> brb, gotta clean up coffee spit on my keyboard
[15:19:54] <tinman2k> thanks jteo
[15:19:55] <ofu> james bond?
[15:20:37] *** DevideZero has joined #opensolaris
[15:21:43] *** DevideZero has quit IRC
[15:22:21] <ofu> trochej: is this where "for your eyes only" was filmed?
[15:22:44] <trochej> ofu: Don't know, but it's really nice place :)
[15:23:33] <trochej> tinman2k: You take a hike :)
[15:24:01] <trochej> I think today is the most unproductive day of my life
[15:24:07] <trochej> It sucks
[15:25:58] <ofu> james had a few problems getting up there, i wouldnt want to climb up there
[15:26:20] <trochej> NAaah, would be fun
[15:26:34] * trochej takes a walk to work and back home every day
[15:26:39] <trochej> Like 5 kms
[15:26:49] <trochej> Each way
[15:27:06] <trochej> I get there within half an hour
[15:27:29] <Downix> egads, there are multiple Solaris distros now?
[15:27:40] <trochej> Downix: OpenSolaris
[15:27:55] <Downix> yes, I'm on the OS site and seeing what's there
[15:27:57] *** Cometstyles has joined #opensolaris
[15:28:28] <Downix> don't know what the differences are
[15:28:35] *** Cometstyles has left #opensolaris
[15:30:36] <Downix> Solaris Express, BeleniX, MarTux, NexentaOS, SchilliX, I don't know what the differences are.  My thinking Express because I don't know the difference
[15:31:18] <flyingparchment> Solaris Express is a preview of what will become Solaris 11.. so it's basically solaris, but based on opensolaris
[15:31:21] <flyingparchment> (and newer than S10)
[15:31:30] <Downix> ok
[15:31:37] <flyingparchment> the others are various non-sun opensolaris distributions
[15:31:42] <Downix> well, that's what I'm downloading.
[15:31:47] <Downix> wait no
[15:32:01] <Downix> I'm downloading sol-10-ga-x86
[15:32:04] <jmcp> Downix: http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i
[15:32:07] <flyingparchment> that's solaris 10
[15:32:17] <flyingparchment> (not an opensolaris distribution)
[15:32:20] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:32:21] <jmcp> explains the differences between the various names/terms you see bandied about
[15:32:25] <Downix> ok
[15:32:33] <Downix> so, not the right distro?
[15:32:44] <flyingparchment> depends what you want.  i still use S10 in production
[15:32:53] <Downix> I just want the most stable I can get
[15:32:59] <gcmandrake> you want solaris in a mission critical/production environment
[15:33:10] <gcmandrake> open solaris is similar to "current" in the bsds
[15:33:11] <flyingparchment> Downix: then you want S10
[15:33:32] <Downix> alright
[15:34:09] <Downix> After the headaches with the linux's (which is doubly fustrating as I've run Linux since ~94/95)
[15:34:50] <Downix> Began on Slackware 3.0
[15:35:14] <Downix> thought it was the best.... until I got this SysV machine
[15:35:20] <Downix> a Commodore A3000UX
[15:35:25] <Downix> all 25mhz of it
[15:35:26] <Downix> 8)
[15:35:28] <gcmandrake> well, there really is only one solaris... the "distros" of opensolaris aren't really a part of the equation if you're looking for solaris
[15:35:36] <Downix> gcmandrake, Ok
[15:35:54] <gcmandrake> solaris express ce and dev are the bleeding edge of actual solaris development on the community side
[15:36:10] <gcmandrake> and are the only relevant portions of the program which will enter into solaris 11
[15:36:18] <jteo> Downix: bottomline, if you want support, you want to run Solaris.
[15:36:22] <Downix> *nods* too bleeding edge
[15:36:28] <Downix> jteo:  heck yes
[15:36:57] <jteo> ie. you can run solaris for free, and if the shit hits the fan, you can buy a support contract.
[15:37:26] <Downix> right
[15:37:39] <Downix> We're running too many sites to goof around
[15:37:52] *** theRealBallchalk has quit IRC
[15:37:56] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris
[15:38:07] *** theRealBallchalk has joined #opensolaris
[15:39:17] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris
[15:39:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd
[15:39:20] *** migiFood is now known as migi
[15:45:50] *** tsoome1_ has quit IRC
[15:46:03] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC
[15:46:52] <Downix> and here I go babbling again....
[15:47:40] *** stukreit__ has quit IRC
[15:50:15] <trochej> Downix: Too many?
[15:50:20] * trochej thinks of Linux distros...
[15:50:34] <Downix> hehe
[15:50:44] <Downix> you mean there's more than gentoo???
[15:50:45] <Downix> 8)
[15:50:59] <trochej> Gentoo?
[15:51:03] <trochej> Apage, Satanas!
[15:51:26] <Downix> You know the irony here is that I am listening to Type O's cover of "Black Sabbath" where they say just that
[15:51:31] <trochej> :)
[15:52:43] <Downix> so sad
[15:52:46] <Downix> (about gentoo)
[15:52:49] <trochej> What?
[15:52:52] <Downix> I used to be part of it's team you know
[15:53:01] <trochej> Oh, gentoo
[15:53:17] <trochej> I have never really seen the point
[15:53:19] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[15:53:42] <flyingparchment> i decided gentoo was silly when it built tomcat from source
[15:53:45] <Downix> optimizing software per-platform was the original idea
[15:54:11] <trochej> Downix: There were other more mature distros, and finally, the difference was barely noticable, by my experience
[15:54:21] <trochej> And if you really, really want "from source", try LFS
[15:54:24] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris
[15:54:37] <trochej> I mean, you probably tried
[15:54:44] <Downix> trochej: exactly, altho why I left was more due to politics than anything
[15:55:10] *** kFuQ has quit IRC
[15:55:28] <cub-> re
[15:55:40] <Downix> the concept was born back when most distros were still building against the 80386
[15:56:04] <Downix> that's not the case anymore, however
[15:56:09] <Fish> hello
[15:56:14] <Downix> hey Fish
[15:56:28] <trochej> Downix: true
[15:57:46] <Downix> And back when you had to deal with an incredible number of options on the x86 platform
[15:58:04] <Downix> some people running nx586's, others with K5's, or Cyrix 6x86's, and Pentiums
[15:58:10] <Downix> each one needing their own set of tweaks
[15:58:16] <Downix> But now, not the case anymore
[15:59:10] <Downix> but what did it for me was when the team leader got all giddy over Amiga Inc's virtual OS
[15:59:42] *** hile_ has quit IRC
[16:00:42] *** laca has quit IRC
[16:00:51] *** gobbler has quit IRC
[16:01:06] <Downix> in any case, moved onto bigger and better things
[16:01:49] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[16:01:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman
[16:02:01] <FastJack> hmm, even the smallest installation of solaris only gets me down to somewhere above 500mb disk space. I think I need to thin out that a bit more.
[16:02:25] <trochej> Gman: Jo
[16:02:32] <Downix> which reminds me, I need to learn how virtualization works under solaris now
[16:03:33] <Gman> trochej, hi
[16:03:37] <Downix> I had an idea and was curious if it would work
[16:04:28] <trochej> Downix: Go
[16:07:16] <Downix> well I tinker on the AROS project, got to wondering if it would work as a virtual setup on solaris
[16:07:21] <Downix> no practical point, mind you
[16:07:41] <trochej> What's aros, exactly?
[16:07:52] <Downix> a clone of the old Amiga's OS
[16:08:07] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[16:08:09] <trochej> OpenSourced?
[16:08:12] <Downix> yup
[16:08:13] <trochej> TM
[16:08:18] <Downix> http://www.aros.org
[16:08:21] <Downix> TM?
[16:08:35] <trochej> Downix: You can make it a guest in Xen with hardware virtualisation support
[16:08:40] <trochej> TradeMark :)
[16:08:40] <Downix> ok
[16:08:44] <trochej> Ooor
[16:09:05] <trochej> You can extebnd Branded Zone framework, which is much more work
[16:09:11] <Downix> *nods*
[16:09:20] <Downix> guest would be fine I imagine
[16:09:26] <Downix> it's fast on even a 486
[16:09:42] <trochej> And, of cource, you can extend aros kernel to be able to boot as a domU
[16:10:03] <trochej> If you lack hardware virtualisation flags
[16:11:06] <Downix> neat
[16:11:37] <Berny_> hey glynn nice mascot :-)
[16:15:27] <trochej> Tru, nice piggy
[16:15:28] <trochej> :)
[16:16:06] <Downix> ya know, sometimes installs fustrate me when they lack a *back* option
[16:16:37] <Berny_> there's always ctrl-c ;-)
[16:17:05] *** phimic has quit IRC
[16:17:56] <trochej> [d]
[16:19:39] <Downix> got it
[16:19:48] <Downix> accudentally selected the wrong nameservice
[16:21:41] *** exanter has joined #opensolaris
[16:21:48] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep]
[16:25:48] <Downix> hmm
[16:29:46] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC
[16:29:48] *** y-fujii has joined #opensolaris
[16:30:03] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris
[16:30:35] <ofu> is it OK that iostat -E shows 1400 errors for every disk in my thumper?
[16:31:06] <quasi> ofu: what does zfs status say?
[16:31:19] <ofu> everything is fine, scrubbing does not find any errors
[16:31:29] <ofu> but i am a little bit worried
[16:31:43] <quasi> ehrm, zpool status
[16:31:56] <quasi> it does sound a  bit odd
[16:32:14] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[16:32:32] <ofu> since i upgraded to U4, i also see sata resets on the console
[16:32:50] <quasi> those are most likely the reason
[16:33:15] <quasi> and kind of makes sense for having the same number of errors over several drives
[16:33:56] <ofu> not exactly the same number... somewhere between 1335 and 1401
[16:35:30] <quasi> still resonably close - to the point where this only affects drives with activity whenever the reset happens
[16:35:42] *** Gman has quit IRC
[16:36:15] <ofu> but shouldnt the spare drives have less errors then?
[16:36:57] <quasi> oh well, just guessing anyway
[16:38:11] *** y-fujii has left #opensolaris
[16:44:03] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris
[16:47:40] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[16:52:13] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[16:52:34] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[16:53:08] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:53:29] *** Dar has quit IRC
[16:55:52] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:58:53] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[16:58:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[17:00:25] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[17:00:48] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:05] *** FallenHitokiri has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:40] *** virgee_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:43] <jafari> exit
[17:01:45] *** jafari has quit IRC
[17:01:48] *** virgee has quit IRC
[17:01:48] *** virgee_ has quit IRC
[17:01:54] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris
[17:02:19] *** bnit1 has left #opensolaris
[17:10:32] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris
[17:19:55] <axisys> i have 8 6140 in daisy chain attached to a v490
[17:20:23] <axisys> should I set those 6140s as jbod or raid5s?
[17:20:57] <axisys> should i setup the raid5 using the hardware raid cntrls or just have zfs do the raid5s
[17:22:46] <axisys> i was thinking of creating one disk per lun using raid0 and then provision them to the 490
[17:23:35] <axisys> and then have zfs manage the disks using raidz w/ or w/o hotpsapres.. or what not.. creating multiple zpools.. may be one zpool per tray
[17:23:45] <axisys> any suggestion?
[17:24:46] <Downix> almost done installing on the Xeon
[17:26:20] *** trede has quit IRC
[17:26:27] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[17:26:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman
[17:26:55] <sommerfeld> axisys: multiple zpools is usually a mistake
[17:27:08] <sommerfeld> axisys: unless you forsee yourself moving some fo these 6140's elsewhere..
[17:27:46] *** ICU has quit IRC
[17:28:19] <Triskelios> hey Glynn
[17:28:28] <sommerfeld> axisys: if you forsee always having those 8 6140's attached to the same system, one big pool will generally give you best results.
[17:29:14] <Gman> Triskelios, hey dude
[17:29:34] <jteo> Gman: wb.
[17:29:35] *** millhouse513 has joined #opensolaris
[17:29:40] <millhouse513> hey
[17:29:41] <axisys> sommerfeld: ok so you saying provision all the disks as separate luns and then create the pool in the OS?
[17:30:03] <millhouse513> how can i edit my crontab file using nano?
[17:30:08] <axisys> sommerfeld: i prefer not to create the raid using the hardware raid ctrl
[17:30:14] <holcomb> set EDITOR=nano
[17:30:17] <pizdec> axisys, in similar setup we had decide that dedicated hardware raid shall do what it suppose to
[17:30:20] <axisys> sommerfeld: and I take u r suggesting the same
[17:31:33] <pizdec> so we have raid5+hotspare configured on array itself
[17:31:55] <pizdec> and zpool then gobbles them
[17:32:14] <sommerfeld> axisys: in a meeting.  will get back to you
[17:32:36] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[17:32:40] <axisys> pizdec: my understanding was zfs w/ jbods performs better than those expensive hardware raid cntrls
[17:32:46] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC
[17:32:47] <axisys> sommerfeld: sure
[17:33:32] <axisys> so if there is no way to access the disks directly.. u might as well just create luns of single disks.. and provision them to the OS
[17:33:43] <axisys> and then have the zfs do its magic
[17:36:10] <Stric> and the best method is to try both and see which performs better for your specific load
[17:36:33] <axisys> For better performance, use individual disks or at least LUNs made up of just a few disks. By providing ZFS with more visibility into the LUNs setup, ZFS is able to make better I/O scheduling decisions
[17:36:44] <axisys> that was direct quote from solaris internals
[17:37:19] <RElling> axisys: yes, but you still want the nonvolatile write cache on an array to work for you
[17:37:20] *** migi has quit IRC
[17:37:29] <Downix> ok... no idea how to get the network configured
[17:37:32] <Downix> time to dive in
[17:37:35] <millhouse513> holcomb:  I tried that, but when I do "crontab -e" i get a line saying 826 and nothing I do seems to work
[17:37:47] <holcomb> what shell are you using?
[17:38:29] <millhouse513> bash
[17:38:39] <holcomb> export EDITOR=/path/to/nano
[17:38:44] <millhouse513> ah, d'oh!  thanks
[17:38:47] <axisys> RElling: in other words?
[17:38:54] <axisys> RElling: :-)
[17:39:11] <Downix> ok, no idea
[17:39:21] <Downix> it keeps asking for a network proxy when it's dhcp'd....
[17:39:25] <RElling> nonvolatile write caches are a good thing, but JBODs don't have them
[17:40:15] <axisys> RElling: so since I have 8 trays with 16 disks per tray.. i should create 8 luns and provosion them to zfs ?
[17:42:19] <axisys> RElling: trying to find more info on nv write cache
[17:42:34] <axisys> or benefit of it
[17:42:49] <Downix> a ha, no dhcpagent
[17:43:13] *** bzcrib has quit IRC
[17:46:52] <RElling> axisys: it is hard to guess without more requirements: try ordering this list by priority: space, performance, RAS
[17:47:27] <axisys> performance, RAS, space
[17:48:09] <RElling> mirror one tray to another, each tray should have several LUNs
[17:48:31] <RElling> how many LUNs per tray might be an interesting experiment
[17:49:22] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[17:49:38] <axisys> 16 disks.. so I could do 4 luns
[17:49:49] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[17:49:51] <sommerfeld> other thing to consider is that nonvolatile write cache has its biggest payoff for a separate intent log
[17:50:09] <RElling> I have both performance and RAS data for 6140s, so we could do some modelling
[17:50:20] <axisys> sommerfeld: i still dod not find a good article on the benefit of nv write cache
[17:50:26] <RElling> what does the workload look like?  I/O size, read/write ratio?
[17:50:45] <axisys> it will be mainly used for oracle and sas
[17:51:02] <axisys> let me get more data.. be back in 2 mins
[17:51:07] <sommerfeld> axisys: http://blogs.sun.com/perrin/entry/slog_blog_or_blogging_on
[17:52:37] *** kaiwai has joined #opensolaris
[17:52:47] <kaiwai> hmm, anyone notice that sunsolve is broken?
[17:52:56] <holcomb> i only notice when it's not broken
[17:53:15] <kaiwai> well, the StarOffice downloads don't work
[17:53:32] <kaiwai> http://sunsolve.sun.com/show.do?target=patches/xprod-StarOffice&nav=pub-patches
[17:53:35] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[17:54:18] <flyingparchment> hmm, there's 8Gb/s FC now?
[17:54:34] *** jcea has left #opensolaris
[17:55:02] <RElling> yeah, they'll catch up with Ethernet one day :-)
[17:56:09] *** kaiwai has left #opensolaris
[17:57:14] <sommerfeld> i kinda doubt it.  802.3ba is getting rolling (40 gbit/s and 100gbit/s)
[17:57:28] <Downix> ok, can't get network up, that's fun
[17:59:38] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[17:59:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[17:59:59] <Downix> says I have no network adaptors, wha?
[18:00:36] <flyingparchment> ifconfig -a plumb
[18:00:48] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris
[18:00:51] <elektronkind> flyingparchment: I'm running 10Gb fibre channel on some interswitch links
[18:01:09] <axisys> ok it is going to be I/O intensive
[18:01:25] <Downix> ok, says I have bge1
[18:01:59] <axisys> sommerfeld, RElling they will use it as data warehouse .. lots of voip data will be stored.. and very busy
[18:02:29] <axisys> RElling: more writes than read
[18:02:59] <Downix> ok, gave myself an ip number, now to figure out how to add a gateway... my normal linux command isn't the same
[18:03:05] <Triskelios> Downix: echo primary > /etc/dhcp.bge1 && svcadm enable dhcp/client
[18:03:44] <sommerfeld> axisys: ok, separate intent log is likely to not be an option (only in nevada at this point IIRC).
[18:04:31] <Downix> "Pattern 'dhcp/client' doesn't match any instances"
[18:05:58] *** pablomh has quit IRC
[18:07:05] <Downix> Triskelios, new to solaris, if you can't tell
[18:07:11] <Triskelios> Downix: oops, forgot it's not a seperate service. just ifconfig bge1 dhcp primary
[18:07:38] <millhouse513> elektronkind:  what 10G are you using?
[18:09:10] <Downix> ok, not sure if it's working because it's not returning a shell prompt
[18:09:34] <RElling> axisys: ok, for a small, write-mostly workload (like CDRs), you definitely want a nonvolatile write cache and separate slogs
[18:09:50] <Downix> finally got "wait timed out, operation still pending"
[18:10:12] <Triskelios> Downix: are you sure bge1 is plugged in?
[18:10:22] *** aka_druid has quit IRC
[18:10:49] <Downix> there are two ethernet ports on the back
[18:10:55] <Downix> swapping cables between them now
[18:11:13] <Triskelios> does bge0 exist? that's probably the other one...
[18:12:06] <axisys> RElling: ok so how should I setup 8 16disks 6140s?
[18:12:37] <Downix> It didn't see it when I probed earlier, trying again
[18:13:10] <Downix> ok, didn't give me an error, but still won't connect
[18:13:11] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[18:13:53] <Triskelios> Downix: dladm show-dev
[18:14:16] <Downix> says bge0 is up at 100mbps
[18:14:23] <Downix> but still no dns resolution
[18:14:34] <flyingparchment> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[18:14:51] <Triskelios> svcadm enable dns/client
[18:14:59] <Downix> no access through straight ip #'s either
[18:15:54] <Triskelios> Downix: you did ifconfig bge0 dhcp primary?
[18:16:05] <RElling> axisys: I would start with RAID-5 LUNs on the 6140s and mirror across 6140s: RAID-5-1-0
[18:16:08] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris
[18:16:15] <Downix> yup
[18:16:26] <Triskelios> Downix: is there actually a DHCP server?
[18:16:35] <millhouse513> axisys:  how big is this FS going to be?
[18:16:58] <Downix> yes
[18:17:19] <Triskelios> Downix: try: dhcpinfo Router
[18:17:31] <Downix> not found
[18:18:06] <axisys> millhouse513: dont have any data on space.. i have 8*16*143G(?)
[18:18:16] <Triskelios> Downix: check cabling again
[18:18:29] <flyingparchment> Downix: does ifconfig -a show an ip on the interface?
[18:18:46] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC
[18:18:46] <axisys> RElling: so two raid5 luns per 6140s?
[18:18:49] <tinman2k> yes
[18:18:53] <tinman2k> flying
[18:19:04] <tinman2k> oh nm
[18:19:07] <Downix> flyingparchment, nope
[18:19:07] <RElling> axisys: that would be a reasonable start
[18:19:13] <axisys> and then mirror using zpool or on the raid cntrls?
[18:19:14] *** rafaeldt has joined #opensolaris
[18:19:19] <millhouse513> axisys:  ah ok
[18:19:24] <RElling> will probably need to match the recordsize
[18:19:54] <RElling> I'd mirror with ZFS so that you can recover from loss of a whole 6140
[18:20:06] <Downix> I should remove the other ethernet since I'm not using this machine as a gateway anymore
[18:20:45] <axisys> RElling: if i take that path i can take advantage of nv write cache and slogs?
[18:20:54] <millhouse513> i setup my hardware raid to be 128k stripes to best match zfs' stripes
[18:22:04] <RElling> axisys: yes, alas we don't have good info on how to size slogs... right now we're recommending 10 seconds of write workload, so it should be relatively small
[18:22:56] <RElling> slogs *love* nonvolatile write caches... they are a write-only workload (!) and latency sensitive
[18:23:10] <rafaeldt> does anybody know if with opensolaris b70 im able to make an zfs pool, and export it as a iSCSI target for other servers ?
[18:23:24] <rafaeldt> Im trying to get some use for 10 old D1000
[18:23:47] <rafaeldt> I know opensolaris has iSCSI initiators but ... don't know if it can be a target
[18:24:05] <millhouse513> rafaeldt:  You can do that with build68, so i'd say 70 could do it
[18:24:14] <rafaeldt> hummm
[18:24:15] <RElling> rafaeldt: yes, iscsi target arrived in b69
[18:24:19] <rafaeldt> perfect!
[18:24:23] <rafaeldt> and what about
[18:24:29] <rafaeldt> making a whole zfs pool as a target
[18:24:47] <flyingparchment> you make zvols the targets
[18:24:48] <rafaeldt> (im going to have a huge vmware iscsi pool ;)
[18:24:53] <rafaeldt> ihihhi
[18:24:56] <rafaeldt> cool!
[18:24:57] <millhouse513> rafaeldt:  What I did was made a pool on the target, then made a zfs and set the shareiscsi to on
[18:24:58] <rafaeldt> tks guys
[18:25:07] <millhouse513> so i share a zfs share not the root pool
[18:25:16] <rafaeldt> got it!
[18:25:19] <Downix> ok, now it tells me dhcp is already running even tho both ethernets are down
[18:25:21] <Downix> **boggle**
[18:25:26] <millhouse513> let me know what performance you get...  i'm trying to compare (with iozone)
[18:25:37] <rafaeldt> millhouse513, Im finishing this this week
[18:25:44] <rafaeldt> Ill let you know
[18:25:46] <rafaeldt> make sure to ask me
[18:25:47] <Triskelios> Downix: ifconfig ... down
[18:25:47] <rafaeldt> ok ?
[18:26:14] <millhouse513> rafaeldt:  cool!  Yeah, I thought i'd finnish, but i have a very picky boss at another site that is intent on getting a bluearc, so i've been trying to tune the performance at every turn
[18:26:19] <Downix> yup, did that
[18:26:19] <millhouse513> even tuned the tcp params
[18:26:26] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[18:26:43] <rafaeldt> hehehe
[18:26:52] <Downix> a ha!
[18:26:56] <Downix> the stupid wireless card
[18:27:18] <Downix> forgot I had that in there since Linux didn't see it
[18:28:41] <Downix> ok, can connect now using IP's
[18:28:44] <Downix> now to figure out dns
[18:29:58] <Downix> turns out due to the wireless card I had a bge2
[18:31:04] <flyingparchment> Downix: cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[18:31:10] <flyingparchment> dhcp should've filled in resolv.conf already
[18:31:23] <flyingparchment> can i move a zone between hosts using cpio or similar?
[18:31:31] <Triskelios> flyingparchment: enabling the service is the right way to do things, not the cp
[18:31:34] *** oowe has joined #opensolaris
[18:31:42] <Downix> flyingparchment, nada
[18:31:43] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[18:32:38] <flyingparchment> hmm, i guess not since it's a sparse zone.. package db will be wrong
[18:33:25] <dclarke> anyone know if there is a driver for the DLink PCMCIA 10/100 laptop ethernet hardware ?
[18:33:41] <dclarke> I mean .. just off the top of one's head
[18:34:29] <asyd> the problem of dlink if that you have several chipsets for the same ref
[18:34:49] <tomww> dclarke: have the card-id (scanpci, ...) ?
[18:34:55] <dclarke> yeah .. that is like RealTek
[18:35:06] <dclarke> ummm .. hello Sir Tom of the JET
[18:35:09] <dclarke> :-)
[18:35:13] <tomww> :-) !
[18:35:15] <dclarke> PCI ID .. no
[18:35:28] <dclarke> at the moment the only way to access this machine is on the console
[18:35:42] <dclarke> I guess I could run prtconf and then look for it
[18:35:44] <Downix> ok, can ssh in, yay!
[18:35:55] <Triskelios> dclarke: /usr/X11/bin/scanpci is more concise
[18:36:13] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris
[18:36:16] <dclarke> when did scanpci get included ?
[18:36:22] <flyingparchment> with Xorg
[18:36:23] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[18:36:44] <dclarke> really .. huh .. okay .. one sec
[18:36:45] *** Cyrille has quit IRC
[18:37:06] *** Drone has quit IRC
[18:37:06] <Triskelios> maybe it's still not on sparc?
[18:37:26] <dclarke> this is x86
[18:37:31] *** charlesnw has quit IRC
[18:37:32] <dclarke> one sec .. let me boot this unit again
[18:37:33] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[18:38:34] <dclarke> booting .. booting ...
[18:38:38] <dclarke> slowly .. booting
[18:38:49] <dclarke> now then .. scanpci is a console tool ?
[18:38:56] <Downix> well, um...
[18:38:57] <flyingparchment> yes
[18:38:57] <dclarke> meaning I don't need X
[18:39:02] <dclarke> cool ..
[18:39:03] <flyingparchment> it just happens to come with X
[18:39:05] <Downix> not sure how to run it w/o dns
[18:39:13] <dclarke> the only other tool I would use is sddt
[18:39:14] <millhouse513> if i have a bad disk in a raidz (3 disks) setup, how do I detach it and reattach a new one?
[18:39:31] <flyingparchment> millhouse513: zpool offline, zpool replace (iirc)
[18:39:58] <millhouse513> flyingparchment:  okay
[18:40:01] *** csjp has joined #opensolaris
[18:40:16] <millhouse513> it's an iscsi node, so i want to detach it, fix it, then reattach it
[18:40:24] <dclarke> still booting
[18:41:05] <RElling> you should be able to replace without offlining
[18:41:21] <flyingparchment> i was thinking offline to swap the disk safely
[18:41:24] <flyingparchment> not so important for iscsi :)
[18:41:41] <axisys> can't you get the nv write cache benefit from ZFS as well?
[18:41:43] <millhouse513> ah, heh..  So, could I just fix the target and from the initiator, simply replace?
[18:41:49] <dclarke> woohoo .. scanpci works
[18:41:56] <dclarke> but .. I better pipe it to more
[18:41:59] <flyingparchment> axisys: yes, but you need to do some evil hack on the array firmware, otherwise zfs flushes will defeat your cache
[18:42:10] <flyingparchment> axisys: there's a description on google somewhere for sun arrayrs (6540 i think) but i forget where..
[18:42:21] <flyingparchment> millhouse513: should work
[18:42:23] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris
[18:42:28] <Downix> any spot I could put the DNS servers in?
[18:42:39] <flyingparchment> Downix: /etc/resolvd.conf
[18:42:48] *** mikefut__ has quit IRC
[18:43:24] <Downix> no such file, what format should it be in?
[18:43:33] <flyingparchment> sorry, resolv.conf
[18:43:43] <Downix> no such file
[18:43:48] <flyingparchment> nameserver 1.2.3.4
[18:43:52] <flyingparchment> search mydomain.com
[18:43:58] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris
[18:44:15] <flyingparchment> you should configure your dhcp server to send nameservers :)
[18:44:16] <phrost> is it normal for sun ssh to start dropping connections if the server gets busy?
[18:45:01] <Downix> got it
[18:45:09] <Downix> and it should, which is bizzarer
[18:45:15] <Downix> **shrug**
[18:45:32] <Downix> anyways, yay, have solaris running on server!
[18:45:44] <phrost> hrm
[18:45:55] <phrost> what if there was some resource problem you needed to login and fix
[18:46:04] <phrost> and you can't because it's too busy to fork sshd
[18:46:05] <phrost> lol
[18:46:08] <axisys> flyingparchment: zfs does not have its own cache.. if not.. is that why I want hardware raid cntrl to gain nv write cache?
[18:46:19] <flyingparchment> axisys: ?
[18:46:28] <flyingparchment> axisys: you want the nv cache because flushing to nv is faster than flushing to disk
[18:46:39] <flyingparchment> axisys: zfs will force the array to flush to disk, bypassing the nv cache
[18:46:54] <axisys> flyingparchment: i understand now
[18:47:17] <dclarke> okay .. I'm back and here is NO bloody PCI entry for the DLink PCMCIA option
[18:47:18] <dclarke> at all
[18:47:21] <dclarke> damn
[18:47:32] <flyingparchment> dclarke: if it's really PCMCIA (not PC Card), it's ISA, not PCI
[18:47:43] <dclarke> but .. I have a salami sandwich with mustard and mayo .. so things are looking up :-\
[18:47:44] <axisys> so if I have one disk per lun through radi cntrl and provosion that to OS.. and the build a zpool at OS I still get nv write cache correct?
[18:47:48] <flyingparchment> pcmcia = isa + additional autoconfig stuff
[18:47:59] <dclarke> flyingparchment: I never knew that
[18:48:07] <dclarke> I don't work with laptops much
[18:48:10] <dclarke> or .. at all
[18:48:27] <RElling> axisys: in general, yes
[18:48:45] <dclarke> gotta boot another box .. sorry
[18:48:47] <axisys> do I need to turn of any zfs parameter
[18:48:48] <dclarke> be back in a bit
[18:48:56] <axisys> like noflushcacche ?
[18:48:59] <tomww> dclarke: hmm. donno if frkit with it's cardbus and other modules might help. but w/o network you would have troubles havin frkit fetch the modules.
[18:49:02] <flyingparchment> axisys: http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/?itemid=44
[18:49:12] <flyingparchment> axisys: that's the page i was referring to
[18:49:20] <dclarke> oh .. and on the way out the door .. to whomever was yakking about SSH .. no it will not drop sessions until the server is obscenely busy
[18:49:27] <axisys> flyingparchment: thnx
[18:49:33] <RElling> axisys: I wouldn't change it, unless there is a measured problem
[18:50:03] <dclarke> tomww : thank you .. I think that I'll just toss this old laptop
[18:50:14] <dclarke> or get another PCMCIA option
[18:50:23] * dclarke walks away with sandwich
[18:50:51] <RElling> dclarke: I've used 3com PCMCIA cards in the (distant) past
[18:51:17] <RElling> distant == Solaris 2.5 timeframe
[18:52:56] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[18:53:20] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris
[18:55:30] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[18:57:05] <phrost> erm i think i figured out why sshd is broke
[18:57:12] <phrost> are you supposed to run the nightly build script as root?
[18:57:15] <Downix> ok, before I move this to the hosting site I'm removing the extra network cards
[18:57:45] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[18:57:52] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[19:04:03] *** millhouse513 has quit IRC
[19:05:28] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris
[19:05:38] *** csjp has quit IRC
[19:06:04] *** snuff-away has quit IRC
[19:07:26] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris
[19:07:32] *** csjp has joined #opensolaris
[19:08:32] <Downix> ok, is it normal to see a 20% performance boost from Solaris over Linux?
[19:09:04] <Triskelios> in what...?
[19:10:01] <Downix> just what I noticed after running a compile on this machine
[19:10:18] <Downix> it took only 8 minutes while the old Fedora it ran took 10 for the same thing
[19:11:26] <sommerfeld> compile times have so many variables they're not good benchmarks
[19:11:45] <sommerfeld> small changes in compiler version will sometimes significantly change compile times.
[19:12:24] <sommerfeld> that degree of variability is well within what i'd expect..
[19:12:35] <bondolo> they can serve as a microbenchmark if you want to look at the impact of a single change though.
[19:13:14] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[19:13:45] <Downix> ok
[19:13:47] <Downix> just surprised
[19:14:02] <bondolo> but agreed, in the case described there's so much changed as to make it impossible to credit who's responsible for the improvement.
[19:14:24] <Downix> right
[19:14:29] <Downix> still, impressed
[19:14:41] <Downix> now, to figure out how to migrate our sites
[19:16:19] <Downix> of course all migration info is "how to migrate FROM solaris" not the other way around
[19:16:30] *** virgee has quit IRC
[19:17:21] *** jonkri has quit IRC
[19:19:55] <FastJack> interesting. just as I was asking questions about growing zfs pools here today. http://blogs.sun.com/mmusante/entry/zfs_and_automatically_growing_pools
[19:19:57] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:18] <FastJack> I would almost suspect the author in this channel ;)
[19:21:46] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris
[19:28:09] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[19:28:31] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[19:28:57] *** loky has joined #opensolaris
[19:29:20] <Downix> ok, now... to get apache running
[19:29:27] <flyingparchment> svcadm enable apache2
[19:29:29] <flyingparchment> done ;)
[19:29:36] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris
[19:30:02] <Downix> oh geesh
[19:30:05] <Downix> um... mysql?
[19:30:06] <Downix> sshd?
[19:30:20] <Downix> World of Warcraft? *dives for cover*
[19:30:46] <Downix> do I need to do this every time I boot?
[19:31:01] <flyingparchment> no
[19:31:12] <flyingparchment> svcadm enable ssh # for ssh.. mysql isn't bundled, use coolstack or the binaries from mysql.com
[19:31:24] <flyingparchment> (mysql is sort of bundled, but it's a very old version of the server and isn't really usefully supported)
[19:32:02] <Downix> ok
[19:32:09] <Downix> now, any alternative to PLesk?
[19:32:21] <flyingparchment> vim?
[19:32:51] <Downix> ??
[19:32:56] <Downix> the text editor?
[19:33:20] <g4lt-mordant> webmin
[19:34:06] *** cydork has quit IRC
[19:36:36] *** deather has quit IRC
[19:37:58] <Downix> I tried webmin, wound up doing more functions manually
[19:38:08] <Downix> good for system admin, not as good for site admin
[19:38:17] <Downix> (altho PLesk does have some annoyances)
[19:38:27] <flyingparchment> sun java system web server actually has a fairly nice admin gui
[19:38:40] <flyingparchment> although it's not apache, which might be a problem for some people
[19:38:56] <Downix> nobody here but me knows what web server we have
[19:39:08] <flyingparchment> yeah, but you can't use apache modules.  it uses NSAPI instead
[19:40:58] *** cmynhier has joined #opensolaris
[19:41:06] <Downix> I don't think we're using any anyways
[19:41:21] <flyingparchment> well, try it then.  i'm using it here and i like it.
[19:41:30] <flyingparchment> (has a built-in java appserver too, if you like that sort of thing)
[19:42:13] <flyingparchment> fastcgi too
[19:42:36] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris
[19:42:43] *** comay has joined #opensolaris
[19:42:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay
[19:43:04] <Downix> hmm
[19:45:43] <flyingparchment> oh, and built-in cluster support
[19:45:54] <flyingparchment> edit the config on the admin node, click 'deploy' and it deploys it to all server nodes
[19:47:15] *** jgilje has joined #opensolaris
[19:47:46] *** IvanR_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:50:12] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[19:50:18] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[19:52:19] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[19:53:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris
[19:58:42] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[20:03:42] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[20:03:43] *** Trident has quit IRC
[20:09:12] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris
[20:11:00] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris
[20:11:32] *** Gman has quit IRC
[20:12:31] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[20:12:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[20:17:10] <Downix> ok, so how do I activate that?
[20:17:17] <flyingparchment> activate what?
[20:17:20] <Downix> turning off apache first
[20:17:25] <Downix> (sorry, in a meeting)
[20:17:28] <flyingparchment> svcadm disable apache2
[20:18:26] <Downix> and java system web server?
[20:19:03] *** oowe has left #opensolaris
[20:19:09] <flyingparchment> http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=467713d6
[20:22:19] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris
[20:22:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck
[20:22:29] <Downix> hmm
[20:22:35] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC
[20:22:35] <Downix> unable to launch the download manager
[20:22:46] <flyingparchment> don't use the download manager, it's crap.  use wget
[20:22:53] <Downix> ok
[20:23:08] <flyingparchment> well, actually i don't know whether it's crap, i never used it.
[20:23:13] <flyingparchment> but it seems pointless to me
[20:23:52] <bda> It does suck.
[20:23:53] <Downix> hmm, no wget on this machine
[20:23:56] <Downix> that's new
[20:24:06] <flyingparchment> /usr/sfw/bin/wget
[20:24:38] <jteo> most of the gd stuff is in there.
[20:24:52] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[20:24:55] <Downix> "node name or service unknown"
[20:25:13] <flyingparchment> is your dns working yet?
[20:25:24] <Downix> yup
[20:25:58] <Downix> I'll download it here then upload it to the server
[20:27:18] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[20:27:39] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[20:28:39] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris
[20:28:46] <Downix> hmm, and now which modules will I need....
[20:29:48] <flyingparchment> what content are you serving?
[20:33:52] *** FallenHitokiri has quit IRC
[20:37:10] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[20:44:22] *** ahl has left #opensolaris
[20:44:47] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris
[20:44:49] *** mog has joined #opensolaris
[20:45:50] * movement sighs
[20:46:03] <movement> how long will it take before I have to stop telling people not to use 'Comments' ?
[20:46:07] <wnorrix> hola!
[20:47:17] <flyingparchment> movement: forever, until we get a bug tracker that doesn't suck?
[20:47:34] <Downix> flyingparchment, mostly joomla sites
[20:47:44] <flyingparchment> what language is that?
[20:48:00] *** snuff-away has joined #opensolaris
[20:49:14] <Downix> php
[20:49:34] <flyingparchment> hm.. i'd probably use fastcgi for php.  (although it does support nsapi)
[20:49:53] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[20:50:06] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[20:50:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[20:50:27] * wnorrix wonders if he is going to get kicked
[20:50:28] <elektronkind> mmm
[20:50:51] * elektronkind gets to buy two 6540 systems and two double-tray 6140 systems
[20:53:21] <wesolows> gets to? :-)
[20:54:00] <elektronkind> I've been given the blessing to run that PO up the pole
[20:54:36] <paul> the industrial age hasn't reached your finance dept yet then? :)
[20:54:37] *** jonkri has quit IRC
[20:55:03] * elektronkind sends paul hate mail via pneumatic tube
[20:55:32] *** plocher has quit IRC
[20:55:55] <paul> :)
[20:57:05] <jteo> it's always fun spending OTM.
[20:57:10] <jteo> uh, OPM.
[20:58:46] * paul goes to fix alpine to compile and finds it was just a silly auto* issue
[20:58:49] <paul> yay..
[20:59:08] <Downix> hmm, ftp server?
[20:59:48] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[21:00:14] <flyingparchment> Downix: a basic one comes with solaris, otherwise use whichever you prefer
[21:00:17] <flyingparchment> (proftpd, vsftpd...)
[21:00:37] <Downix> ok
[21:00:46] <Downix> I'll be spending the next month getting this up
[21:01:10] <Downix> ok, time to punch out
[21:01:12] <Downix> see you later
[21:02:55] <paul> Downix: Alpine == PINE, but with a free software licence (GPL) and some bits reimplemented, possibly.
[21:03:05] *** SirFunk has quit IRC
[21:03:06] *** sarahj has quit IRC
[21:03:22] <Downix> tyvm
[21:04:18] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[21:04:36] <paul> he
[21:04:44] <Downix> I'll be logging into it from home
[21:04:51] <Downix> I think
[21:04:57] <Downix> *checks to see if he can ssh in*
[21:05:19] <jteo> you better enable ssh then.
[21:10:18] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[21:10:24] <Downix> well, no rush
[21:10:27] <Downix> time for home
[21:10:50] *** Downix has quit IRC
[21:14:45] <trochej> hm
[21:15:57] *** rafaeldt has quit IRC
[21:17:13] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris
[21:17:22] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[21:20:19] *** slowho1 has joined #opensolaris
[21:27:18] *** slowhog has quit IRC
[21:27:24] <tomww> what's your favorite location for a DTraceToolkit installable as a package?
[21:27:50] <tomww> /usr/demo/dtrace/DTT, /opt/DTT, /usr/demo/dtracetoolkit or somewhere else?
[21:28:09] <palowoda> I put it in /opt/DTT
[21:28:18] *** mog has left #opensolaris
[21:28:46] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[21:28:59] *** mog has joined #opensolaris
[21:29:16] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[21:29:27] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[21:30:14] <palowoda> Just for the fact that in opensolaris you may end up doing a clean install on a build and wipe out /usr.
[21:32:59] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris
[21:33:09] *** wnorrix has quit IRC
[21:33:19] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris
[21:34:04] <tomww> palowoda: very good point, but since it already is in a package, it is reinstalled easily... (SFEdtracetoolkit.pkg)
[21:34:37] *** _Megaf has quit IRC
[21:35:14] <palowoda> Hmm I was getting from Brendan's website which was a tar file last I checked.
[21:35:31] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris
[21:35:35] <tomww> yes, but I've build a spec file fetching this one and make it packaged :-)
[21:36:07] * tomww loves packaging everything, see SFEzfs-auto-backup.[spec|pkg] also...
[21:36:10] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[21:37:50] *** wnorrix_ has joined #opensolaris
[21:39:05] <palowoda> Well I guess you can reinstall all the SFE packages if you have some /usr dependencies.  But it seems like a lot of effort for optional packages.
[21:40:18] *** wnorrix_ has quit IRC
[21:40:34] *** wnorrix has quit IRC
[21:40:58] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris
[21:41:15] <elektronkind> I put it in /usr/local/dtrace but only because /usr/local on our systems is a network fs
[21:41:20] <elektronkind> and mounted on all of them
[21:41:31] <tomww> well, I'm looking into a direction, where you have repositories for all kinds of software, and having dtracetoolkit and others installably by menu or on a jumpstart-hands-free apsect, you don't have to deal with tar-bundles... (or did i miss your point with "effort"?)
[21:41:51] <palowoda> For instance I have a seprate pool for /opt and an initial install I let it create a new opt and after move the new packages to the zfs opt pool.
[21:46:23] <palowoda> Same thing as elektronkind idea only my /usr/local is a seprate zpool locally which isn't affected by an initial install.
[21:46:28] *** estibi has quit IRC
[21:47:02] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[21:47:11] <palowoda> I should say dataset.
[21:47:20] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[21:48:21] <tomww> ok, so by copying the new files matching the entires in /var/sadm/install/contents your packages remain patch and deinstallable?
[21:48:24] *** locy has joined #opensolaris
[21:49:11] *** wms has quit IRC
[21:49:15] <palowoda> Yeah it's like one of svr4 biggest gaping holes isn't it?
[21:50:04] <palowoda> Is the Caiman or any new proposals addressing this?
[21:51:00] <tomww> hmm. the pkg thing tries to take files to or remove them to/from the system.
[21:51:46] <tomww> dunno if it can deinstall a packgage and de-reference the files from the database (if any? sure..) when they are blown away by some reason...
[21:53:55] <palowoda> It's any new version of a package that becomes a pain in the contents database.
[21:54:28] *** tomww has quit IRC
[21:56:20] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC
[21:56:34] *** deather_ is now known as deather
[21:57:13] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris
[21:57:52] *** bzcrib has quit IRC
[21:58:21] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris
[21:59:48] *** tomww has quit IRC
[21:59:55] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris
[22:00:27] <tomww> back
[22:04:35] *** loky has quit IRC
[22:11:29] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris
[22:20:50] *** cmynhier has quit IRC
[22:20:51] *** locy has quit IRC
[22:23:54] *** sartek has quit IRC
[22:30:08] <jteo> i wonder when osol-jobs will actually see a post.
[22:31:28] *** pfa3rh has joined #opensolaris
[22:34:10] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:37:37] *** plocher has quit IRC
[22:38:08] <quasi> when sun starts looking for a replacement for jonathan? ;)
[22:39:19] * g4lt-mordant points "ian first, ian first"
[22:40:10] <quasi> g4lt-mordant: once burned... surely they'd be reluctant to look for another ian ;)
[22:40:21] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris
[22:40:25] <cmihai> theo ftw
[22:40:35] * g4lt-mordant could replace him with a horse, then shoot the horse
[22:40:56] <g4lt-mordant> heey, at least theo backs his peopl instead of bashing them
[22:41:07] *** stukreit_ has quit IRC
[22:41:42] * g4lt-mordant pushes that "e" gently back into place
[22:42:35] <jteo> i really hate the "ftw" acronym.
[22:43:01] <g4lt-mordant> what would you prefer?
[22:43:06] <sommerfeld> ftl
[22:43:09] <flyingparchment> jteo: ftw ftl?
[22:43:14] <jteo> ...
[22:43:16] <cmihai> wtf
[22:43:27] <gcmandrake> bbq
[22:43:29] <jteo> wtfbbq.
[22:43:49] <jteo> you're all children. -mutters-
[22:43:54] <gcmandrake> eleventy
[22:45:28] <cmihai> cs mud: you have been pwned by a grue
[22:45:31] <tomww> jteo: playing with computers all day long is similar to children playing something serious...
[22:45:57] <jteo> tomww: boys don't grow up. they just get bigger toys.
[22:45:58] <jteo> ;)
[22:46:26] *** mog has left #opensolaris
[22:46:48] *** Emmedics4 has joined #opensolaris
[22:47:08] *** mog has joined #opensolaris
[22:47:11] * g4lt-mordant is looking ot get a E10K toy ;P
[22:49:35] <quasi> g4lt-mordant: don't forget the nuclear powerplant to keep it running
[22:50:04] <g4lt-mordant> bah, it only needs a good nuke generator ;P
[22:50:57] <dsch04> Evenign all
[22:51:07] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[22:51:11] <dsch04> I'm back at it - trying to get OpenSolaris installed on my hardware
[22:52:04] <dsch04> I removed the SATA card (Supermicro 8-port) and plugged the drives into the mobo
[22:52:14] <dsch04> And chose Solaris Express, rather than developer edition
[22:52:18] <dsch04> And I have an install
[22:52:27] <dsch04> However, no NIC is detected
[22:52:43] <dsch04> How do can I search for devices and install it?
[22:53:31] <myrkraverk> dsch04, for me, it has consisted of prtconf and add_drv cmd lines ;-P
[22:54:01] <jmcp> dsch04: there should be a directory on your dvd which is "sddtool" - that has the Sun Device Detection Tool and should help you identify devices and their drivers
[22:54:10] <dsch04> Ok
[22:54:18] <myrkraverk> (and I don't have a nic driver for my laptop yet -- will probably attempt to port it one of these days)
[22:54:22] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[22:55:04] *** Fish has quit IRC
[22:56:00] <dsch04> Bugger.
[22:56:05] <dsch04> No Solaris driver for my NIC
[22:56:32] <jmcp> http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/how_do_i_find_out might help too
[22:56:39] <jmcp> dsch04: what's the nic chip?
[22:56:45] <dsch04> Marvell 88E8052/88E8056 Gigbit Ethernet controller
[22:57:08] <jmcp> hm
[22:57:11] * jmcp thinks
[22:57:24] *** estibi_ has quit IRC
[22:58:39] * dsch04 tears hair out!
[22:58:57] <jmcp> dsch04: you might find that the "skge" driver from syskonnect.com is what you need
[22:59:16] * dsch04 looks
[22:59:41] <jmcp> http://www.skd.de/e_en/support/driver_searchresults.html?navanchor=&term=typ.treiber+bs.SUN_Solaris+produkt.SK-9E22&produkt=produkt.SK-9E22&typ=typ.treiber&system=bs.SUN_Solaris
[23:00:34] <jmcp> and make sure you pkgrm SK98sol before installing the version from SysKonnect
[23:00:44] <dsch04> ok
[23:00:54] <jmcp> and "rem_drv skge" too
[23:00:58] * dsch04 hunts for USB key to get driver onto system!
[23:04:20] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[23:06:20] <tomww> dsch04: just to make sure, an "ifconfig -a plumb" and then "ifconfig -a" didn't show any ethernet-interface? (sorry, Linux would show etherinterfaces always, solaris only after plumbing them)
[23:08:34] *** Nishaway has quit IRC
[23:08:47] *** slowho1 is now known as slowhog
[23:08:54] <dsch04> tomww, nothing showed
[23:09:07] <tomww> ok, good luck with the new driver
[23:09:49] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[23:09:49] *** Kush- has quit IRC
[23:10:15] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[23:11:13] *** estibi has quit IRC
[23:12:51] <dsch04> Bah
[23:12:52] <dsch04> It didn'ty work
[23:13:03] <dsch04> Failed to loadf
[23:13:10] <dsch04> jeez, my typing is bad tonight!
[23:14:06] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[23:14:42] <tomww> you have the pci id of the NIC? if you do a  grep pci1234,5678 /etc/driver_aliases , only the new driver is assigned to this pci-id?
[23:15:01] <tomww> (/usr/X11/bin/scanpci to display pic-ids)
[23:15:05] <dsch04> how do I get the PCI ID?
[23:15:10] <tomww> :-)
[23:15:36] <dsch04> Ah! Missed that! :)
[23:16:06] <tomww> alternative but not readable for normalperson: prtconf -vp
[23:16:48] *** glagasse has quit IRC
[23:17:31] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC
[23:18:30] *** jgilje has quit IRC
[23:18:36] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[23:18:43] <dsch04> The pci-id not found in driver_aliases
[23:19:55] <dsch04> When I run the install for the driver (pkg_add) it says
[23:19:56] <tomww> so the pci-id will not match any driver.. hmm why is it missing?
[23:20:07] <dsch04> driver failed to attach: skge
[23:20:16] <dsch04> Wonder if that's the right driver?
[23:20:39] <tomww> hmmm. is there any match, if you do a   grep skge /etc/driver_aliases  ?
[23:21:06] <tomww> (should list pci-ids assigned to driver skge
[23:21:11] <tomww> )
[23:21:22] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer
[23:21:29] <jmcp> hi Chipdancer
[23:21:36] <Chipdancer> yawning
[23:21:57] <dsch04> Yes, there are several, but none matching the pci id of my device
[23:23:09] <tomww> ok, no one is at least similar to yours? pastbin might be a bit difficult now :-)
[23:23:25] <dsch04> yeah.
[23:23:41] <dsch04> I could take a photo of the terminal :)
[23:24:11] <tomww> but, of you use prtconf -vp and look for the vendor/card and the compatible lines, these should help. moterboard mounted pci devices somtimes get motherbard vendor's ids programmed...
[23:24:21] *** Rawplayer has joined #opensolaris
[23:24:23] <tomww> yes a photo, you win the prize!
[23:24:31] *** Rawplayer has left #opensolaris
[23:26:43] <dsch04> Ok, how does that help?
[23:31:19] <dsch04> Hmmm. It's supposed to work
[23:31:20] <dsch04> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/2675.html
[23:32:02] <dsch04> This is exactly what happens for me: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6546335
[23:33:09] <Triskelios> dsch04: yukonx is the current driver, not skgesolx
[23:33:11] *** Doc has quit IRC
[23:33:24] <dsch04> Ah, where do I get that?
[23:33:26] *** cyril_plisko has joined #opensolaris
[23:33:31] <Triskelios> SKGEsolx was exclusive with SKGEsol
[23:34:36] <Triskelios> I think it's on Marvell's site...
[23:35:04] <Triskelios> it's actually the same as SKGEsolx afaik (albiet with a later build date) aside from the package name
[23:35:05] * dsch04 looking
[23:35:09] <dsch04> Aha!
[23:39:20] *** hile_ has quit IRC
[23:39:38] <dsch04> That seemed to install
[23:39:41] <dsch04> Am rebooting now
[23:40:27] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris
[23:42:20] *** stukreit_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:43:33] *** stukreit__ has joined #opensolaris
[23:47:01] <flyingparchment> "Unix, Linux or Solaris"
[23:47:05] <flyingparchment> solaris is not unix now?
[23:48:59] <sommerfeld> still is
[23:49:24] <dsch04> Hmmm, got an ip address and can ssh to other hosts, but I don't think the gateway is set.
[23:49:31] <dsch04> Where's that specified in Solaris?
[23:49:46] *** blindfish has quit IRC
[23:49:49] <tsoome> man netstat or man route
[23:50:03] *** dpn` has quit IRC
[23:50:08] <tsoome> route print may be interesting:P
[23:50:15] <tsoome> or netstat  -r
[23:53:54] <Triskelios> hi stukreit_
[23:55:52] *** cyril_plisko has quit IRC
[23:57:09] *** tinman2k has left #opensolaris
[23:58:14] *** stukreit__ has quit IRC





top