October 15, 2007 
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October 15, 2007 [00:00:00] <nachox> very pirats of the caribean [00:00:00] <e^ipi> http://www.bibi.org/box/2007/01/My_Little_Cthulhu.jpg [00:00:15] <e^ipi> that cthulthu in particular [00:00:19] <nachox> http://www.phobos-deimos.com/Cthulhu/cthulhu.jpg [00:00:24] <Teltariat> I think it would work [00:00:43] <nachox> i like it [00:01:58] *** alanc has quit IRC [00:02:24] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [00:03:04] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [00:08:24] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [00:10:10] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [00:17:41] <tek-ops> hmm, a reboot didn't fix that [00:27:55] <jamesd> tek-ops, this is solaris, 99.9% of the times a reboot doesn't fix anything, perhaps delay it for a while [00:28:03] <nachox> what does clre -c show? [00:29:44] <nachox> also your solaris is using 64 bit binaries? [00:31:27] <nachox> if so the config file is actually /var/ld/64/ld.config [00:35:28] *** alanc has quit IRC [00:39:23] *** Megaf has quit IRC [00:42:29] <tek-ops> I'm actually locked out [00:42:30] <tek-ops> damn [00:42:41] <tek-ops> crle was clear [00:43:59] <tek-ops> any other possibilities? [00:44:42] <e^ipi> that's why you don't mess with crle if you don't know what you're doing [00:44:59] <tek-ops> thank you, noted [00:45:35] <nachox> e^ipi, funny that you learn that crucial fact only after you screwed it :P [00:45:46] <e^ipi> heh [00:46:21] <e^ipi> that's also why solaris used to ship with a static linked sh(1) [00:46:46] <nachox> bah, nonsense [00:50:10] <delewis> just rm /var/ld/ld.config [00:51:04] <delewis> and if you can't rm, grab some media, boot into single-user mode, mount /, and rm /var/ld/ld.config [00:51:41] <nachox> he did that already [00:52:45] *** Erwann has quit IRC [00:54:07] <delewis> looks like libc.so.1 is 32-bit, and ps has been compiled as a 64-bit executable. [00:54:19] <delewis> which ps are you using? [00:57:37] *** legolas has joined #opensolaris [00:57:51] <legolas> Hi [00:58:40] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [00:58:45] <legolas> Is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/tasks/gdesklets/gdesklets.png showing default theme of Solaris Express developer edition? I know that those which are on the desktop are gdesklets. what i am asking is top panel and coloring. [00:58:46] *** nachox is now known as uruk-hai [00:59:03] <legolas> Is there some more screenshot of Solaris Express Developer edition? [00:59:04] <uruk-hai> :) [00:59:39] <jamesd> here is a screen shot of solaris 8 on a sunfire 25k [00:59:40] <jamesd> $ [00:59:43] <jamesd> done :-) [01:01:20] <e^ipi> don't use sxde, it's just an old version of CE [01:01:41] *** jollyd is now known as jollydodo [01:02:15] <uruk-hai> jamesd, hehe [01:02:34] <uruk-hai> e^ipi, only it is much better tested [01:02:36] <tek-ops> /usr/bin/ps [01:03:07] <e^ipi> uruk-hai: any old version of SXCE is tested just as well as sxde [01:03:28] *** uruk-hai is now known as nachox [01:03:29] <e^ipi> the difference is that sun will sell you some worthless support for SXDE [01:04:06] <nachox> but no patches iirc right? [01:04:19] <e^ipi> no, you can't patch it [01:05:04] <legolas> does SXDE installs a Glassfish in global Zone? [01:05:42] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [01:06:27] <legolas> Sparse zone, Global zone, what other kind of Zones Solaris has? [01:06:51] <jbk> branded zones [01:06:56] <jamesd> full zone, and everything in between [01:07:57] <legolas> I know that global zone is the solaris itself, and each Sparse zone can see application installed in global zone (for example glassfish application server) [01:08:11] <nachox> i dont think glassfish is even included in sxde, not sure though [01:08:12] *** communicator has quit IRC [01:08:28] <legolas> A full zone is a complete Solaris installtion? an OS into another OS? Why? [01:09:07] *** Blackadder has quit IRC [01:09:07] <jamesd> its a full read/write copy of the zone. so you can replace libraries in /usr/* or where ever you like [01:09:20] <jamesd> in a sparse zone /usr /bin /sbin are read-only copies. [01:09:44] * g4lt-mordant politely fails to mention brandz [01:10:15] <legolas> Is it possible to have a command line (shell, bash, ...) to manage a zone? for example start and stop a zone. [01:10:52] <jamesd> g4lt-mordant brands make etude possible and it will totally rock if sun's marketing people can understand why its important to get people to use it. [01:10:57] <jamesd> and not charge for it. [01:10:59] <nachox> hmmm, i'm not sure i know what that means, there are cli tools to manage zones if that is what you mean [01:11:12] <jamesd> legolas, yes. [01:11:59] * jamesd chooses to ignore gui zone tools if they do exits... [01:12:23] <nachox> jamesd, nah, guis make your life easier when they work properly [01:13:04] <legolas> I am agree that GUI are good when they can do what is required by the user. [01:13:04] <jamesd> nachox, guis dont scale... i have 140 boxes at work i can't see how a gui makes my life easier if i can't script stuff... [01:13:23] <legolas> BrandZ is good if it got implemented carefully. [01:13:50] <nachox> jamesd, because you can have guis that centralize the zone management in all hosts of course [01:15:19] <jamesd> dRoot.sh -l servername zoneadm -z zonename boot .... that is centralized enough for me... change -l to -f solaris_servers and i can boot one zone across all our environment. [01:15:29] <legolas> Is there such GUIs in the SXDE? [01:17:17] <nachox> you configured ssh with keys in every host or kerberos or something like that? [01:17:19] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [01:19:01] <nachox> i think sxde has the solaris container manager that does exactly that and it looks cool in the process [01:21:23] <legolas> "solaris container manager" Is it a GUI tool to manage containers? [01:22:37] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [01:26:17] <nachox> legolas, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-7551/6mms4t0hm read it while you can, you never know when docs.sun.com will stop working :P [01:27:47] *** stevel has quit IRC [01:32:57] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [01:35:25] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [01:42:16] <hsn_> can we complain somewhere about docs.sun.com not working? its common for me [01:43:52] <jamesd> i'm sure its well documented... they just can't seem to get it working... and its not important enough to get first teer treatment like sun.com [01:45:06] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [01:46:55] *** Silveira_Neto has joined #opensolaris [01:47:01] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [01:48:07] <Silveira_Neto> Hi guys, I have in my hands a Solaris Express Developer Edition 9/07 DVD. I'll boot and install it right now but I have a few questions. I have only 512Mb of RAM, so I can't performe the full install right? [01:49:24] *** alanc has quit IRC [01:49:25] <kjetilho> if you by 512 Mb mean megabits, that's correct. [01:50:08] <Silveira_Neto> :( ok [01:51:05] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [01:52:23] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris [01:53:55] <kjetilho> Silveira_Neto: you seriously have only 64 MiB in your computer? [01:55:58] <Silveira_Neto> No,I have 512 MiB of RAM on it. right? [01:57:37] *** Gman has quit IRC [01:59:02] <Silveira_Neto> But here http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/getting_started_guide.html it tells that I can performe a installation less than 768Mb of ram, by console [01:59:46] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [02:01:17] *** nachox has quit IRC [02:01:48] <Silveira_Neto> Another little doubt, where in linux goes in /home/me in solaris goes in /export/me, It is this right? [02:02:21] <kjetilho> no, /export/home/me -- but it is automounted as /home/me so that the physical location is hidden [02:02:35] <kjetilho> (useful when you have many servers and NFS) [02:02:54] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [02:03:14] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [02:03:24] <Silveira_Neto> cool :) [02:03:28] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [02:08:47] *** Silveira_Neto has quit IRC [02:08:56] *** communicator has quit IRC [02:16:28] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [02:16:29] <Downix> ok, so now I have solaris 9 running.. um.... now to find a manual [02:26:06] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [02:27:12] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [02:29:28] *** victori_ has quit IRC [02:34:31] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [02:45:23] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [02:46:01] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [02:58:44] *** jamesd has quit IRC [03:01:41] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [03:03:07] *** hsn_ has quit IRC [03:04:48] *** mog has joined #opensolaris [03:06:05] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [03:06:09] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [03:06:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [03:08:06] *** Shiv_1 has left #opensolaris [03:19:55] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz [03:23:15] *** charlesnw has left #opensolaris [03:24:42] *** rachel_ has quit IRC [03:29:05] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [03:29:18] *** nachox has quit IRC [03:33:59] *** palowoda has quit IRC [03:34:15] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [03:38:59] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [03:40:46] *** mcnamarabrian has joined #opensolaris [03:46:09] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [03:47:23] *** ashner has joined #opensolaris [03:59:01] *** mcnamarabrian has quit IRC [04:04:46] *** Downix has quit IRC [04:05:18] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [04:05:53] *** victori_ has quit IRC [04:06:39] <tek-ops> by the way, thanks to whoever pointed out to check in /var/ld/amd64 for a ld.config file, that's what it was [04:06:40] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [04:08:38] <storycrafter> tek-ops: healthy respect for crle now, eh? [04:08:43] <tek-ops> indeed [04:09:19] <paulf> I was reading about crle after your problem [04:09:25] <tek-ops> yea? [04:09:36] <paulf> and I discovered LD_NOCONFIG that might have helped [04:09:49] <tek-ops> hmm, what's that [04:09:50] *** dynamicproxy has quit IRC [04:10:04] <paulf> if you set it in the environment, it will ignore the ld.conf file and use the defaults [04:10:21] <tek-ops> very cool [04:10:25] <tek-ops> hah, I love this OS! [04:10:31] <paulf> any value will work...it's mentioned in the crle man page [04:11:07] <paulf> I'm just learning now, but I like what I see so far [04:11:27] <paulf> the man pages are 10x better than the Linux man pages I'm used to [04:11:41] <tek-ops> definitely [04:11:53] <tek-ops> on order with OpenBSD's [04:12:25] *** dynamicproxy has joined #opensolaris [04:12:32] <paulf> it seems like it might come with a unified source tree [04:13:10] <Tempt> boyd: ping [04:13:17] <tek-ops> well, my underlying issue is this [04:13:27] <paulf> I still feel like a stranger in a strange land...I know where everything is in Linux, but I have to search for anything in Solaris [04:13:30] <tek-ops> I'm trying to build kaa-imlib2 [04:13:49] <tek-ops> which uses a setup.py but needs to know where Imlib2.la is [04:14:25] <tek-ops> and unlike Makefiles, theres no way to configure it [04:14:36] <paulf> the crle page also referrs to using the LD_CONFIG variable to point to a temporary ld.config file [04:15:10] <tek-ops> then the resulting binaries will then forever know where the library is? [04:15:19] *** tg has quit IRC [04:15:30] <tek-ops> I guess I can use ldd to know [04:15:33] <paulf> no, but it lets you easily test a new ld.config file without riskign the rest of the system [04:16:47] *** victori_ has quit IRC [04:17:47] <tek-ops> so what should I use to perminantly link it? crle or is there a better option [04:18:08] <kjetilho> tek-ops: you should compile your software with the correct rpath to begin with [04:18:17] <paulf> I'm beyond my depth on best practices here :) [04:18:25] <tek-ops> ok, so I can still do that [04:18:47] <tek-ops> kjeti have you dealt with the python setup.py installers much? [04:19:09] <kjetilho> no, sorry [04:19:35] *** user_ has joined #opensolaris [04:19:41] <kjetilho> one trick to compile software which isn't rpath aware is to set LD_RUN_PATH [04:19:54] <tek-ops> oh you did mention that before [04:19:59] <kjetilho> ld(1) will use this as the default rpath if you don't specify any -R [04:22:08] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [04:23:06] <paulf> how does LD_RUN_PATH vary from LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [04:25:09] <kjetilho> LD_RUN_PATH is used during linking/compiling, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is used during run-time. [04:25:34] <paulf> Ah ha [04:27:53] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [04:28:24] <tek-ops> hmm [04:30:58] *** bengtf has quit IRC [04:31:51] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [04:32:25] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [04:33:57] <storycrafter> anyone know how to prevent SUNW cc from using standard include dirs? [04:34:22] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [04:39:46] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [04:40:44] *** ryanknapper has joined #opensolaris [04:43:08] <e^ipi> just guessing [04:45:32] <e^ipi> or one of the -Y flags [04:52:36] *** ryanknapper has quit IRC [04:54:55] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [04:55:01] <storycrafter> i got it. it was really a missing -I that was being masked. found the root. thanks though [04:59:39] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [05:00:02] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [05:07:53] <tek-ops> so, let me get this correctly [05:08:12] *** dynamicproxy is now known as sriramnrn [05:08:15] <tek-ops> it's better to statically link libraries when compiling [05:08:37] <tek-ops> than maintain a dynamic list of libraries? [05:11:28] *** l1s has quit IRC [05:15:36] <kjetilho> tek-ops: no, dynamic linking is good. [05:16:05] <kjetilho> in fact it is impossible to make a fully statically linked binary in Solaris 10. [05:16:31] <kjetilho> s/impossible/unsupported/ [05:16:58] <tek-ops> ok [05:17:05] <tek-ops> then I just need to read up on it more [05:19:59] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC [05:42:55] *** jollydod1 has joined #opensolaris [05:47:30] *** victori_ has quit IRC [05:49:18] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [06:00:54] *** jollydodo has quit IRC [06:15:14] <tek-ops> well i'm off for now, nite [06:15:15] *** tek-ops has quit IRC [06:22:08] *** Shiv_1 has left #opensolaris [06:30:46] <paulf> g'night [06:30:47] *** paulf has quit IRC [06:31:29] *** user_ has quit IRC [06:38:25] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [06:38:42] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [06:42:38] *** victori_ has quit IRC [06:43:02] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [06:43:18] *** halton has left #opensolaris [06:43:26] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [06:46:32] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [06:50:34] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [06:54:04] *** moazamraja has joined #opensolaris [06:54:05] <moazamraja> re [06:56:18] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [06:58:15] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [07:01:05] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [07:08:24] *** Megaf has quit IRC [07:10:05] *** Murmuri1 has joined #opensolaris [07:13:53] <Drone> dclarke (dclarke!n=dclarke at d39-216-186 dot home1.cgocable.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Tue 18 Sep 2007 23:37 GMT, saying 'thanks'. [07:16:26] <g4lt-mordant> better late than never.... [07:17:21] <g4lt-mordant> what's drone running on, a U5? [07:27:24] *** legolas has quit IRC [07:29:58] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [07:52:32] *** FallenHitokiri has joined #opensolaris [07:54:27] *** Murmuri1 has left #opensolaris [07:57:46] *** mikaeld has joined #opensolaris [08:05:01] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:05:44] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [08:06:44] *** victori_ has quit IRC [08:07:32] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [08:08:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:09:22] *** mog has left #opensolaris [08:12:26] <FallenHitokiri> I downloaded Solaris Express Community Edition b74 and try to install it in VirtualBox. But after I select Solaris Exprss (not Developer Edition) the last thing it does is showing me the copyright and after that it does nothing. Is there a boot parameter I could try or something else? [08:14:10] <cmihai> FallenHitokiri, use VMware Server for Solaris. [08:14:22] <cmihai> VirtualBox is a bit slower and sometimes crashes while running Solaris. [08:14:38] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: okay thanks - do you know if qemu would also work? [08:14:43] <cmihai> Hell no. [08:14:48] <cmihai> It would take 20 hours to install :P [08:14:52] <cmihai> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ [08:14:55] <FallenHitokiri> great :) [08:14:56] <g4lt-mordant> containers FTW ;P [08:14:57] <FallenHitokiri> thanks [08:15:04] <cmihai> Don't see why you'd bother mate, VMware server is _free_. [08:15:35] <bda> According to the ATM at the neighborhood Wawa, 50 is no longer divisible by ten. They should update the "$50 quickcash" button. [08:15:37] <FallenHitokiri> I don't really bother, I just have qemu allready running, thats why I ask. [08:17:41] <trochej> Cofffe? [08:17:46] <cmihai> Solaris can't really be used inside QEmu, VirtualPC/VirtualServer or VirtualBOX. It does run OK in VMware I guess. SXCE even has mouse and video drivers included. [08:17:51] <g4lt-mordant> bda it probably still is, it' [08:17:58] <g4lt-mordant> s just the divisor changed [08:18:14] <bda> I think it actually meant "I'm out of ten dollar bills." :) [08:19:24] <g4lt-mordant> hence the divisor changing to 20 [08:19:32] <bda> Ok, fair enough. :P [08:19:58] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: I don't even need video support. I think about using Solaris on my new fileserver but I want to do some tests with zfs and setup a system so I know what I am doing [08:20:36] <bda> Though, in that case, the error msg should say so. But it was Diebold, so... [08:20:57] <cmihai> FallenHitokiri, take it slow mate. Make sure you leave room for /altroot for LiveUpgrade for example. [08:21:20] <g4lt-mordant> bda diebold admits no error, it's obviously user eerror [08:21:23] <cmihai> And regardless of role, do a FULL Install + OEM, or you'll waste hours fetching depends by hand. [08:21:44] <g4lt-mordant> ...and we'll laugh at you when you fail to have dependencies [08:21:48] <bda> Heh. [08:21:51] <cmihai> Duh :-] [08:22:06] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: how much space should I leave free for /altroot? [08:22:21] <cmihai> FallenHitokiri, http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/08/liveupgrade-sxce.html - LiveUpgrade [08:22:36] <FallenHitokiri> g4lt-mordant: reminds me of my first days with debian potato.. ;) [08:22:37] <cmihai> Since it's an _alternate_ root, same space as your root :-) [08:22:46] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: thanks :) [08:22:46] *** Beket has joined #opensolaris [08:22:51] <g4lt-mordant> FallenHitokiri, and I probably laughed at you then too ;P [08:23:10] <FallenHitokiri> g4lt-mordant: hm... maybe :) [08:23:26] <cmihai> There's other stuff to take note off... like /export/home storing user homes, and not /home and so on. I take it you're going to do quite a few reinstalls / repartitions before you get the hang of it ;-) [08:24:58] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: i planed to use a 80gb drive for solaris and 4 500gb drives for storage... if I get a working samba and nfs i won't touch the server until i played enough with solaris on a test system [08:25:29] <cmihai> zfs set sharenfs=rw /storage/p0rn [08:25:44] <cmihai> NFS is quite hard with ZFS as you can see... you have to type the whole thing in :P [08:26:12] <FallenHitokiri> hm... is there no easy way? *scnr* [08:26:16] <cmihai> Or use the GUI (Java WebApp thing), but whatever. Still too much to click [08:26:33] <cmihai> FallenHitokiri, yeah, the easy way requires you to click a button like 6 times... [08:27:24] <FallenHitokiri> cmihai: hm... well somebody really thought of everything :) [08:28:16] <cmihai> No, for some strange reason Solaris makes really complex things like ZFS surprisingly easy, while common administrative chores horrible, twisted, not working or make you use some Jaba tool :P [08:29:03] <FallenHitokiri> at least zfs - the reason why I am interessted in solaris - is easy :) [08:29:30] <cmihai> Yeah, pretty much. [08:29:35] <cmihai> Here, you'll need this: [08:29:40] <cmihai> http://localhost:6789 [08:29:56] <FallenHitokiri> bookmarked :) [08:29:58] <cmihai> Type that in, and you have a web console for ZFS. It types commands for everything you do, so it's a nice learning tool. [08:30:10] <FallenHitokiri> cool :) [08:30:19] <FallenHitokiri> hm. customer ringing at this time oO brb [08:30:39] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [08:30:53] <cmihai> Hm... better get my ass to work. [08:30:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:31:05] <cmihai> "Out of blue pants" ain't much of an excuse. [08:32:55] *** cmihai has quit IRC [08:38:00] *** Beket has quit IRC [08:38:38] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[work] [08:40:36] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris [08:56:31] <FallenHitokiri> now i have vmware server running, i choos 4 (solaris interactive text console) but after reading zfs config: done nothing happens [08:58:52] *** Sieghard has joined #opensolaris [08:59:17] *** wesolows has joined #opensolaris [09:01:47] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [09:01:52] <pablomh> FallenHitokiri, wait a bit [09:02:41] <jbk> evening [09:03:28] <trochej> 'lo [09:03:50] <FallenHitokiri> pablomh: now its doing nothing for ~7min. (pentium m 1.5ghz and vmware got 256mb ram for the vm) [09:04:39] <sickness> http://s1.imgdb.ru/2007-10/14/rtfm-jpg_s2q42rbh.jpg [09:05:45] <pablomh> it's usual for me that kind of "waiting" [09:07:04] <FallenHitokiri> pablomh: even without harddrive and cdrom access and top showing you that vmware doesn't really use some system resources? (thats the part that makes me suspicious) [09:07:41] <pablomh> it's the part that amazed me too [09:07:44] <jmcp> FallenHitokiri: don't use "top" usr prstat [09:07:50] <pablomh> (in my case, it worked after all ...) [09:08:32] <FallenHitokiri> jmcp: okay [09:08:36] <FallenHitokiri> pablomh: hm k. thanks [09:09:32] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [09:09:35] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [09:09:40] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [09:09:50] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [09:09:58] <FallenHitokiri> jmcp: is it possible that prstat is part of soalris? [09:10:39] <jbk> hey jmcp [09:11:04] <jmcp> FallenHitokiri: prstat has been part of Solaris since Solaris 8 [09:11:08] <jmcp> jbk: gday [09:11:20] <jmcp> jbk: btw, where's your fix for the mdb/memset issue? [09:11:27] <FallenHitokiri> jmcp: i run vmware server on my notebook with linux [09:12:01] <jmcp> FallenHitokiri: I'll send you a sympathy paccket :) [09:12:09] <e^ipi> heh [09:12:12] <FallenHitokiri> jmcp: thanks :) [09:12:17] <jbk> mdb? the memset issue i'm aware of is just in dis [09:12:26] <jbk> and on my desktop back in houston :) [09:12:57] <jmcp> jbk: sorry, got my wires crossed - just got back from supporting my bro-in-law @ the scott24hr.com.au mountainbike race... *rather* tired [09:13:06] <jbk> along with the changes for a few extra olympus + sun4v instructions [09:13:08] <jbk> np [09:13:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:13:42] <e^ipi> jbk: haven't you already started the putback procedures on that chunk of code? [09:13:50] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [09:14:01] <jbk> not for those bits [09:14:49] <jbk> i want to at least have an opportunity to see if anyone that would actually be using the stuff cared about being able to selectively turn on/off the vis/hyperprivleged/fused instruction support [09:15:17] <jbk> however, at this point, i am going to guess not (which seems resonable) [09:15:31] <jbk> it's basically like maybe a 50 line diff [09:15:39] <jbk> most of hwich is just adding table entries [09:17:10] <jbk> though i guess now having a better idea on how some of the stuff works, i suspect to rip out the support of _controlling_ the disassembly of VIS would probably require an ARC case [09:17:22] <jbk> s/the stuff/the process stuff/ [09:17:42] <jbk> probably should have used that as an example and asked john plocher during the whole arc/opensolaris discussion :) [09:17:50] <jbk> but my mind sometimes works asynchronously [09:18:21] <jmcp> most people's minds do [09:19:11] <jbk> it is so refreshing though to be able to geek out and (hopefully) not bore people to death because they have no idea what you're talking about :) [09:20:41] <g4lt-mordant> I thought vis died as of sol10 [09:21:03] <jbk> what do you mean? [09:21:12] <jbk> as far as i know, all the sparc cpus still support them [09:21:25] <jbk> and i know mlib still has vis versions [09:21:51] <jbk> as of like b65 or so.. [09:22:05] <jbk> whatever version of sxce dennis had installed for me to test with [09:22:18] <g4lt-mordant> I thought vis was primarily a sparcv8 thing [09:22:43] <jbk> don't think so.. [09:23:09] <jbk> but not really sure -- i don't have any knowledge of the history of it [09:23:10] <g4lt-mordant> okay, it SHOULD have died with the death of v8 [09:23:23] <jbk> other than apparently had a codename abbreviated with SGI [09:24:29] <g4lt-mordant> TBH, I thought vis was only useful on sbus cards, after the introduction of UPA, it wasn't needed [09:25:03] <jbk> how would sbus be relevant to doing vector operations? [09:25:12] <g4lt-mordant> shows how much I car^Wknow [09:25:41] <jbk> vis == floating point vector instructions [09:25:44] <g4lt-mordant> framebuffers, the most notable sbus framebuffeer is the cg3 [09:25:46] <Tempt> VIS is an UltraSPARC thing [09:25:53] <jbk> i guess like mmx or such... [09:25:57] <jbk> or sse [09:26:02] <jbk> but on sparc [09:26:08] <Tempt> And is supported on all UltraSPARCs *except* Niagara [09:26:18] <jbk> though perhaps the acronym was reused [09:26:25] <g4lt-mordant> Tempt, I could have sworn it was the + in v8+ [09:26:39] <libkeiser> v8+ won't run on a v8 [09:27:06] <Tempt> vis is the vis in 9+vis [09:27:19] <jbk> the + i believe was the v9 instructions [09:27:24] <Tempt> Indeed. [09:27:48] <jbk> basically v8+ is 32bit, but with v9 instructions (which is just mostly a superset of v8) [09:28:04] <jbk> just stuff like 64bit load/stores/alu operations [09:28:16] <jbk> though not sure about register sizes [09:28:46] <Tempt> and VIS instructions have nothing to do with SBus, they're just additional instructions, similar I suppose to mmx or simd or whatever is fashionable now. [09:28:51] <trochej> Hmm, processors sets are available in Solaris 9? [09:28:54] <Tempt> Not many applications actually use the vis instructions anyway. [09:29:03] <jbk> trochej: yes [09:29:06] <jbk> no [09:29:07] <Tempt> trochej: Yes, processors sets are available in 9 [09:29:12] <jbk> but i guess they could use mlib [09:29:20] <jbk> which i think some of the multimedia libs do [09:29:28] <jbk> which means they'll indirectly use vis [09:29:50] <jbk> iirc, mlib does a similar trick that libc does [09:29:59] <jbk> where it picks a specialized version for a particular cpu [09:31:13] <Tempt> aanyway, time to head home for the day. [09:31:14] <Tempt> Later all. [09:31:17] <jbk> see ya [09:31:59] *** wesolows_ has quit IRC [09:32:17] <jbk> jmcp: i can send you the diffs a bit later this week after i'm back home [09:32:35] <jbk> i'm still a bit fuzzy on this stuff, but the memset issue isn't really directly related to the libdisasm stuff [09:32:48] <jbk> it's just a bit of an annoying nit that rich lowe spotted [09:33:32] <jbk> if you carefully follow the existing code, the structure it's trying to zero out gets fully initalized or cleaned up regardless [09:34:06] <e^ipi> damn him [09:34:46] <jbk> but so since it's not directly related, i wasn't sure if it'd be appropriate to putback with libdisasm stuff (vs. doing it as a separate integration) [09:34:50] <jbk> even though the fix is trivial [09:35:01] <jmcp> jbk: when you're ready [09:35:06] * jmcp passes out [09:36:08] <jbk> also, since it wasn't directly related, didn't want to just assume anything -- i know you've got other stuff going on, so would rather utilize your time on more important stuff [09:39:46] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:40:33] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [09:40:48] *** JWheeler has quit IRC [09:40:55] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris [09:50:23] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [09:50:34] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris [09:51:49] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [09:52:54] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris [09:54:02] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [09:56:05] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [09:57:34] *** capitano has joined #opensolaris [09:58:18] *** Disreali has quit IRC [09:59:59] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [10:00:05] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:25] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:00:43] <cmihai> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk - Jebus ;-\ [10:01:08] <cmihai> Ballmer sells windows 1.0 [10:01:15] *** Sieghard has quit IRC [10:01:15] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [10:06:57] *** dpn` has joined #opensolaris [10:15:12] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [10:16:16] <trochej> COFFEE [10:16:19] <trochej> Muahahaaaaa [10:16:25] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [10:17:55] <capitano> what's the correct way to put squid -k rotate in the cron ? 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[12:53:58] *** sriramnrn_ has joined #opensolaris [12:54:05] <ofu> [ Oct 15 12:51:02 Executing start method ("/opt/SUNWldm/bin/ldmd_start") ]... fatal error: HV MD major version mismatch: found version 0, can only support version 1. [12:57:07] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [13:01:00] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [13:01:21] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [13:01:57] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [13:02:36] *** renihs has quit IRC [13:08:29] *** halton has left #opensolaris [13:08:32] <WickedWicky> I'm suffering amnesia or something.. [13:08:43] <WickedWicky> what's this command to unconfigure an operating environment [13:08:48] <WickedWicky> sysuninstall, sysunconfig [13:08:50] <WickedWicky> what was it [13:09:06] <bda> sys-unconfig? [13:09:06] *** sriramnrn has quit IRC [13:09:29] <WickedWicky> you're my hero of today [13:09:35] <bda> Yay! [13:09:37] <bda> brb getting cape [13:12:31] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [13:12:39] <JWheeler> lol [13:17:20] <trochej> JWheeler: Yo [13:17:35] <JWheeler> good evening [13:19:37] *** FBdev has quit IRC [13:21:27] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [13:21:31] <SYS64738> how can I set cron jobs for the root user in the small zones ? (it tell me that root user cannot do it) [13:24:25] <bda> Log in as root into the zone (via zlogin or ssh or) and run `crontab -e`? [13:25:03] <bda> Though I guess you could just edit the file from the global. [13:26:01] <SYS64738> Proxy2 # crontab -e [13:26:01] <SYS64738> crontab: you are not authorized to use cron. Sorry. [13:26:48] <bda> Does /etc/cron.d/cron.deny contain 'root'? [13:27:49] <SYS64738> no [13:28:14] <SYS64738> hope I must insert in cron.allow [13:28:17] <SYS64738> maybe [13:28:22] <SYS64738> bda, thanks [13:32:01] <quasi> the other thing to check for when cron emits that error, is an expired account [13:33:41] <SYS64738> could root user expire ? [13:34:23] <trochej> Probably [13:34:32] <SYS64738> cool [13:35:41] <trochej> However I never tried it [13:35:46] <quasi> passwd -x -1 user to make sure users account doesn't expire [13:39:03] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [13:39:13] <solar-star> Hi [13:39:26] <solar-star> Does anyone know how to recompile a existing package? [13:42:12] *** yongsun has quit IRC [13:42:35] <SYS64738> solar-star, you can compile only sources [13:42:50] <solar-star> Ok [13:43:13] <solar-star> Where to get the SUNWgnome* or SUNWaudio* sources? [13:45:47] <jmcp> SUNWaudio is in usr/src/uts/common/io/audio [13:46:02] <jteo> yo jmcp [13:46:03] <jmcp> dunno about the SUNWgnome stuff, but it's probably in the JDS consolidation [13:46:06] <jmcp> hi jteo [13:46:43] <jmcp> hi one-n-all [13:48:08] <quasi> haven't seen one-n-all in here for a while [13:52:43] <BadKarma> interesting, user clicks on Launch -> Applications in JDS and his session hungs... anyone experienced something simmilar? [13:53:11] <trochej> BadKarma: Which jds? [13:53:42] <trochej> mean, version [13:53:55] *** rcorreia has joined #opensolaris [13:54:12] <BadKarma> 3.1 [13:54:49] <BadKarma> I think it has something to do with his settings as other users on that machine are not experiencing anything like it [13:54:55] <BadKarma> s/think/sure/g [13:56:05] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [14:01:57] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris [14:03:52] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [14:04:49] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [14:10:06] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [14:13:10] <Downix> ok, about to blow away this debian install. It keeps ticking me off after seeing it compared to Solaris on the same system. [14:13:40] <bda> Heh. [14:13:57] * bda is going to try and get a Debian 4.0 lx zone up today. :) [14:14:07] <Downix> this is debian 3.1 [14:14:14] <Downix> 4.0 they dropped support for my CPU [14:14:23] <bda> doh. :P [14:14:30] <flyingparchment> what cpu? [14:14:45] <Stric> 386? [14:15:32] <Stric> (as in 80386, not the generic i386+ arch) [14:15:58] <Downix> SPARC32 [14:16:16] <gcmandrake> yea, you want solaris on SPARC, it's the business [14:16:16] <Stric> that's dropped in solaris too ;) [14:16:19] <flyingparchment> solaris dropped support for your cpu too ;) [14:16:23] <gcmandrake> use 9 [14:16:34] <Downix> I have 9, friend of mine in Sun sent me a copy [14:16:58] <gcmandrake> 9 is fine, I like CDE, but if you use gnome you'll want to grab a newer version [14:17:08] <Stric> .. but can't in this case [14:17:11] <gcmandrake> from blastwave or compile if you want [14:17:12] <Downix> Once done it'll never see a monitor [14:17:19] <gcmandrake> oh, even better [14:17:36] <flyingparchment> what machine is it? [14:17:57] <Downix> SPARCStation 10 [14:18:07] <Downix> going to use it as a file server on the network [14:18:13] <BadKarma> ok, fond it compromised .gnome [14:18:14] <Downix> and do some dev work [14:18:43] <gcmandrake> a netra x1 makes a great dev machine and server, too [14:18:48] <gcmandrake> they can be had for a song [14:18:53] <gcmandrake> (if you happen upon one sometime) [14:19:22] <gcmandrake> fast usparc IIe, also [14:19:43] <Downix> Never seen one, honestly [14:20:36] <gcmandrake> they can turn-up from time to time, especially as business look to replace 8+ at a time with a t1/t2-based server [14:20:51] *** dnilsson has quit IRC [14:23:05] <Downix> *nods* I'll keep an eye out [14:23:12] <Downix> got this one for $35 tho, so can't complain [14:24:36] <bda> What's it run you in power? :P [14:24:51] <Downix> no idea, need to check out the power consumption [14:25:09] <Downix> I figure it can't be as bad as my Athlon w/ Radeon or my Alpha [14:25:58] <kjetilho> depends on how many Ross HyperSPARC modules you put in it [14:26:18] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:26:31] <Downix> 2 150's [14:27:39] <kjetilho> nice [14:27:39] <gcmandrake> nothing like a sparc or alpha [14:27:47] <gcmandrake> something fun about using RISC [14:28:00] *** wms_ has joined #opensolaris [14:29:01] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [14:29:04] <Downix> For me it's not so much about using RISC as using a SPARC. Having the Leon and UltraSPARC T1's source codes available makes me trust them more [14:29:12] *** S has quit IRC [14:29:23] <libkeiser> now drop a turbo zx in there, and obviate the need for a stove ;) [14:30:12] <Downix> Likely there's no alternative to the video card it has [14:30:48] *** linma has quit IRC [14:30:58] <gcmandrake> sounds like it's time for an Ultra 25/45 ;) [14:31:29] <Downix> gcmandrake, all in good time. Altho if I can get the FPGA I'm plotting I might be on an OpenSPARC [14:31:34] *** solar-star has quit IRC [14:31:34] <libkeiser> Downix: there are plenty of framebuffers for that machine: gx, gx+, tgx, tgx+, zx, tzx [14:31:44] <Downix> libkeiser, I have a GX in it [14:31:50] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [14:32:33] <kjetilho> is that the cg3? [14:33:18] <gcmandrake> I'm just seeing that fpga opensparc now [14:34:10] *** solar-star has quit IRC [14:34:20] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [14:34:55] <Downix> gcmandrake, I've been tinkering in simulation on the older Leon SPARC models, but having a real, honest, UltraSPARC available, well, makes a hardware nut like me all giddy. 8) [14:35:02] *** solar-star has joined #opensolaris [14:35:12] <gcmandrake> haha [14:37:16] *** cmihai has quit IRC [14:38:29] <Downix> I used to work for a company that made PowerPC motherboards. We wound up with problems because of the incredibly limited supply of PPC northbridges, resulting in three major motherboard revisions at a high cost just to have Apple kill off PPC as a viable desktop option. Taught me, never trust any product that you cannot have some measure of real access to. [14:39:15] <gcmandrake> the entire PPC debacle was unfortunate [14:39:45] <Downix> gcmandrake, I didn't like PPC that much to begin with, due to the monopolistic nature of the companies involved. [14:39:47] <jteo> economics trumps technology quite frequently. [14:39:55] <Downix> jteo: Indeed [14:40:06] <gcmandrake> the way IBM handled it only reinforced x86's ridiculous longevity by reducing the importance of an alternative architecture [14:40:15] <gcmandrake> I'm still dumbfounded as to why x86 is still around [14:40:17] <Downix> gcmandrake, But, with SPARC being an open standard, should Sun go "nah" we can go "fine" and roll our own. [14:40:20] <Downix> Agreed [14:40:43] <gcmandrake> I agree that SPARC is now a better architecture since we don't "need" to depend on Sun to spit them out [14:40:53] <gcmandrake> it would be nice to have a contender to kill x86, though [14:41:12] <gcmandrake> it's scaled well, for whatever reason, but it's time for a more elegant solution [14:41:19] <flyingparchment> ia-64! [14:41:26] <Downix> IA-64 is worse than x86 [14:41:59] <Downix> gcmandrake, then again, I'm an old Amiga-head, I don't think the CPU should be as important to the system as it is nowadays. [14:42:14] <jteo> x86's instruction set is irrelevant to the merits of it's micro-architecture. [14:42:45] <gcmandrake> but it is... why spend any silicon to prop-up that ancient pile? [14:43:06] <gcmandrake> it is what it is, internally, but that legacy translation is still there [14:43:17] <Downix> jteo: I more don't like how much junk it has. Makes optimizing code a real pain when the CPU can decide it wants to change things. [14:43:21] *** JWheeler has quit IRC [14:43:41] *** migi has joined #opensolaris [14:43:44] <jteo> Downix: true. [14:43:58] <gcmandrake> and you can only use x86's instruction set with p6, et al, nothing more modern [14:44:08] <gcmandrake> there is no fast path to the internals [14:44:15] <gcmandrake> so yes, it is relevant [14:44:19] <jteo> i tend to believe that the age of micro-optimization is over for desktop/server based apps. perhaps for embedded apps, yes. [14:44:28] <Downix> I also don't like how the x86 forces you to take a CPU-centric approach. [14:45:09] <Downix> jteo: it still is an option for the compiler-end however. Plus, if the CPU guesses wrong, you can cause severe performance issues, moreso than if you didn't have it to begin with. [14:45:51] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [14:45:55] <Downix> then again, I also deal mostly with embedded [14:46:09] <jteo> Downix: point taken. kinda like the CELL approach, with it's SPEs. [14:46:13] <Downix> so my perspective is slightly schewed. [14:46:17] <jteo> ie. make the human do the heavy lifting [14:46:20] <Downix> *nods* [14:46:22] <bda> Wow. Debian lx zone took.. three minutes. [14:46:28] <bda> And most of that was wget. [14:46:30] * bda hugs Solaris. [14:46:54] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris [14:47:06] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC [14:47:53] *** jmcp has quit IRC [14:47:53] *** Kush- has quit IRC [14:48:12] <Downix> jteo: I still think Sony did the absolutely wrong thing with CELL. An improved MIPS-based design would have gotten them further. [14:48:14] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [14:48:39] <jteo> Downix: and gotten them backwared compatibility [14:48:51] <Downix> jteo: But who am I to say anything? They've made billions, I debug RHEL for a living.... [14:48:54] <jteo> *backward [14:49:02] <jteo> Downix: hey, to each his own. ;) [14:49:14] <jteo> least you debug RHEL for a living. -sigh- [14:49:17] <Downix> jteo: right. The EE design itself might be a bear, but that's more due to the fact that their libraries for it SUCK! 8) [14:49:30] <Downix> jteo: Hey, before this I worked retail, so don't feel bad [14:49:32] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [14:50:42] <jteo> Downix: i think Sony was banking on the fact that console game developers are maschists [14:50:49] <jteo> masochists [14:51:36] <Downix> jteo: If I was Sony, I'd have kept the PS2's chipset as/is (including the PSX's chipset for the joysticks), and migrated it to a "Physics Processor", then used one of the new R9K cores paired with nVidia's latest GPU. Viola, a powerful, less expensive console with full backwards compat. [14:52:03] *** solar-star has quit IRC [14:52:26] <jteo> Downix: stupidity pervades in mega-corps. including SUN^H^H^H JAVA. [14:52:49] <Downix> jteo: again, a reason I am glad that SPARC is opened [14:53:23] <jteo> Downix: true. [14:53:55] <Downix> jteo: I'm pondering buying that Opteron-socket FPGA to see how much SPARC I could fit into it [14:54:00] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [14:54:04] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [14:54:26] <timeless> jteo: preach it.... i'm in one of those other companies that thinks it's a mega corp and thus justified in having such a mindset :( [14:54:46] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:54:47] <jteo> Downix: sure, if you have the moolah. ;) I'm more interested in the OGP thingy. (if and when i get around to learning Verilog) [14:54:52] <Downix> timeless: hence why I stick to small companies, even if we don't always survive. [14:54:58] *** renihs has joined #opensolaris [14:55:03] <jteo> timeless: got stock options? ;) [14:55:04] <timeless> downix: i'm experimenting [14:55:08] <timeless> jteo: no :( [14:55:20] <Downix> jteo: verilog isn't hard if you know C [14:55:23] <timeless> jteo: i'm not even sure if they'd have value [14:55:29] <jteo> Downix: ah. [14:55:36] <jteo> timeless: things can't be that bad. [14:55:44] <timeless> jteo: NOK [14:56:04] <timeless> 's only down .59% in premarket trading :) [14:56:05] <jteo> timeless: mmm. [14:56:19] <jteo> NOK is huge over here in asia. [14:56:51] <timeless> jteo: and forgotten in the states, and france it seems (i just got back from paris) [14:57:13] <jteo> timeless: cos it's getting whupped by the iphone and Steve's RDF [14:57:30] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [14:57:41] <timeless> jteo: nah, we don't have that problem [14:57:55] <timeless> our competitors do. we lost the market on our own >5yrs ago :) [14:58:32] <jteo> timeless: heh. [14:58:47] <jteo> timeless: still, the job security counts for something? [14:59:14] <timeless> i'll get back to you in a couple of years :) [14:59:37] <timeless> i've met people who ended up dealing w/ the networks/siemens mess ... [15:01:00] <Downix> Egads, I'd forgotten about NOK [15:03:12] <kjetilho> Nokia is going strong outside the US, I guess the competitors there care more about non-GSM models [15:03:29] <Downix> the saddest thing is, I have a Nokia and I'd forgotten them.... [15:03:34] <kjetilho> Motorola is a joke outside the US [15:03:39] <Downix> love my 6810 [15:03:58] <timeless> kjetilho: not in France [15:04:54] <gcmandrake> Motorola is also a big seller in Hong Kong [15:05:11] <gcmandrake> for whatever reason [15:05:15] <Downix> I still think Motorola was dumb for canning 68k development [15:05:22] <Downix> but I am biased there.... [15:05:42] <gcmandrake> 68k was a much better cisc arch than x86, and had a future [15:05:44] <jteo> that 68K was good fun in uni. [15:06:35] <Downix> Indeed [15:06:42] <Downix> have you ever seen the 68060 in action? [15:07:24] <gcmandrake> the most recent I got to use personally was 68040, but I've read quite a bit about 68060 and coldfire, etc [15:08:25] <Downix> I've used the 68060 in projects before [15:08:25] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris [15:08:31] <Downix> blew the first-gen Pentiums out of the water [15:08:36] <gcmandrake> of course [15:08:40] <trochej> I had a Mac with 68060 [15:08:49] <gcmandrake> that's an amazing feat, if you did [15:09:00] <gcmandrake> being as they only went up to 68040 ;) [15:09:01] <Downix> I never thought Mac's has a 68060 [15:09:08] <Downix> My old Amiga had one [15:09:22] <gcmandrake> and the rom simply won't support a 68060, even though the sockets are similar [15:09:29] <timeless> http://guides.macrumors.com/68k#68060 [15:09:40] <gcmandrake> it'll explain that it doesn't work, seen it... kthx [15:10:26] <gcmandrake> those that have tried it said it went to the grey screen, but didn't proceed [15:10:44] <Downix> There were 68060 Atari's and Amigas, never a Mac [15:10:47] <gcmandrake> yep [15:10:51] <gcmandrake> those amigas were great [15:10:57] <Downix> I loved mine [15:10:59] <gcmandrake> at least, amigas in general [15:11:05] <gcmandrake> (never tried the 68060) [15:11:09] <Downix> still think the current Amiga-community mindset is dumb tho [15:11:17] <Downix> "Amiga is just an operating system" bah [15:11:34] <Downix> without the system architecture, the OS is just another microkernel OS [15:11:46] <gcmandrake> yea, people aren't passionate enough about architectures anymore [15:11:53] <Downix> Indeed [15:12:00] <Downix> but architectures are the key to system performance [15:12:08] *** migi is now known as migi_away [15:12:10] <gcmandrake> absolutely [15:12:16] <Downix> and they wonder why their machines don't run as fast? [15:12:50] <gcmandrake> hardware innovation is over, hardware marketing is in full control [15:12:56] <gcmandrake> and the hobbyists just quibble over software nowadays [15:13:01] <trochej> gcmandrake: Interesting, as my LC630 seemed to have one [15:13:06] <trochej> But I will check that [15:13:07] <gcmandrake> it didn't [15:13:13] <gcmandrake> LC630 had a 33/66MHz LC040 [15:13:18] <gcmandrake> no FPU [15:13:31] <gcmandrake> ;) [15:13:57] <gcmandrake> 33MHz bus, 66MHz core [15:14:12] <Downix> gcmandrake: I've been tinkering on a design for about 10 years, never had the courage to try and actually build it tho. [15:14:15] <gcmandrake> a speedy little integer chip at the time, though [15:14:53] <gcmandrake> Downix: that sound exciting... I'd not even know where to begin as far as finding how to get the design out to the people [15:14:56] <gcmandrake> sounds* [15:15:07] <jteo> ooh summit mugshots [15:15:32] <trochej> gcmandrake: Drat, I remember wrong. Still, was nice [15:15:47] <gcmandrake> sure, that older apple hardware was interesting [15:16:20] *** FallenHi1okiri has joined #opensolaris [15:16:30] <gcmandrake> I have a 512k mac in a corner [15:16:33] <gcmandrake> lol [15:16:36] <Downix> gcmandrake, Me either. The design is like a hybred Amiga/Atari-Jaguar [15:16:45] <gcmandrake> that sounds sweet [15:17:19] <gcmandrake> archs like that always are impressive to me with their efficiency [15:17:26] <Downix> gcmandrake, The Amiga's DMA model + blitter, but the Jaguar's co-proc and obj-proc design. Each one overcomes the issues of the other. [15:17:31] <gcmandrake> none of this brute force, 350w nonsense [15:17:36] <Downix> Agreed [15:18:14] <Downix> I began with a MIPS core, but licensing became a pain. Then swapped to an ARM but couldn't get the clock up. Tried my own design and while it worked, was a pain to program. But then I found the Leon, and went SPARC for it. [15:18:45] <gcmandrake> that's awesome [15:18:57] <Downix> it's just a bunch of files tho [15:19:02] <Downix> one day I might finish it [15:19:04] <Downix> dunno [15:20:05] *** ashner has quit IRC [15:26:48] <Downix> the Jaguar was another case of fantastic technology killed by lack of executive understanding [15:26:49] *** sickness_ has joined #opensolaris [15:27:20] *** tinman2k has joined #opensolaris [15:27:24] <gcmandrake> indeed [15:28:17] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [15:28:30] <Downix> gcmandrake, Ah well. [15:29:31] <Downix> of course the big thing now is GPU's [15:30:40] <sickness_> I'm back [15:32:11] *** FallenHitokiri has quit IRC [15:32:52] <ofu> there will be a 10gig-copper-card for 5120? cool [15:33:38] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [15:34:17] *** sickness has quit IRC [15:34:34] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [15:34:53] *** sickness_ is now known as sickness [15:36:58] <Downix> Ok, I need to find that page to explain how to network-install solaris 9 again [15:37:59] <gcmandrake> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5768 [15:38:40] <gcmandrake> if it wasn't for smf and a few other features, I'd be on 9 too [15:38:50] <gcmandrake> but I love smf [15:39:00] *** snuff-work has quit IRC [15:40:08] <Downix> I have a 32-bit SPARC, 9 is the end of the line for me [15:40:24] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:40:43] <gcmandrake> yep, but it's supported for years to come of course [15:41:17] <e^ipi> someone was talking about a sun4m port of opensolaris a while back [15:41:53] <Downix> e^ipi: Now that I'd be interested in. That or finding docs to allow me to make my own MBus module to put a 64-bit SPARC on here (fat chance) [15:44:10] <Downix> I'll admit tho, this Linux install is ticking me off, absolute nonsence it keeps spitting out [15:44:19] <Downix> "kernel is too big" but it'll boot a bigger one??? [15:44:28] <Downix> time to stop playing with the ameteurs [15:44:55] <gcmandrake> have you ever tried to hang out in the linux channel? all I can say is "wow" [15:45:21] *** kszwed has quit IRC [15:45:57] <Downix> I have [15:46:02] <Downix> run Linux since '94, actually [15:46:09] <Downix> and this one is throwing even me for a loop [15:46:38] <gcmandrake> the experienced users, or the ones willing to read documentation are fine... it's just that so many wander over if only for hatred of microsoft and no real appreciation of unix [15:46:52] <Downix> Indeed [15:47:06] <Downix> I started because I wanted to try UNIX and I couldn't afford a real UNIX machine [15:47:27] <gcmandrake> and that was the whole point of linux, that's the spirit of it [15:47:33] <gcmandrake> it's a great unix clone [15:47:46] <Downix> since then I've run a real SysV, Commodore's AMIX [15:47:54] <gcmandrake> and back then, bsd was less than ubiquitous (and was in the midst of a lawsuit) [15:47:59] <Downix> the first SysVR4 ever released [15:48:13] <gcmandrake> i'll have to check AMIX out, I'm a real sysv fan [15:48:32] <Downix> it only ran on 1 computer, the Amiga 3000 [15:48:39] <gcmandrake> I'm actually interested to see what happens to the sysvr5 code [15:48:44] <Downix> still a nice machine after all these years [15:48:45] <gcmandrake> with the sco bankruptcy and what not [15:48:49] <Downix> Indeed [15:49:09] <Downix> The worst thing about SCO is, until the lawsuit, their Linux was my choise install [15:49:26] <gcmandrake> yea, UnixWare 7.1.4 is a good product, actually [15:49:30] <gcmandrake> bad company [15:49:35] <Downix> never used UM [15:49:38] <Downix> I used OpenLinux [15:49:41] <gcmandrake> not the same sco as before [15:49:44] <Downix> indeed [15:49:45] <gcmandrake> right [15:49:46] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [15:49:53] <Downix> I still have my Corel Linux stuffed penguin [15:49:54] <Downix> 8) [15:49:59] <gcmandrake> ha [15:50:01] <Downix> my son loves it [15:50:41] <gcmandrake> corel linux was polished for the time [15:50:46] <Downix> Yup [15:51:04] <Downix> Ah well [15:51:11] <Downix> I've also run an AIX install once [15:51:11] <sickness> http://kerneltrap.org/DragonFlyBSD/HAMMER_Filesystem_Design [15:51:16] <Downix> but not as sysadmin [15:51:48] <Downix> I still hate how Linux keeps trying to aim for the desktop [15:52:01] <Downix> but then again, I hate Microsoft for trying to shoehorn their server OS's onto the desktop too [15:52:03] <Downix> 8) [15:52:04] <quasi> sickness: picking links off zfs discuss? [15:52:09] <kjetilho> the desktop is essential to keep mindshare [15:52:28] <sickness> quasi: oh, was that there? [15:52:45] <Downix> kjetilho, I know, doesn't mean I like the design tho [15:52:46] <gcmandrake> I believe he means he hates linux being dumbed-down for the avg desktop user [15:52:47] <sickness> didn't read the lists today... [15:53:03] <gcmandrake> rather than the avg desktop user expanding their horizons and mastering what makes unix great [15:53:05] <timeless> yeah, i really liked corel linux [15:53:08] <Downix> gcmandrake, right. [15:53:48] <timeless> would you rather "maemo"? [15:53:57] <timeless> it's not designed as a server unix :) [15:54:08] <timeless> it doesn't support multiple users in any meaninful manner [15:54:23] <Downix> gcmandrake, Or at least even with the "dumbed-down" interface, be able to dis-engage the simpler parts, so as a person learns, they can go further. [15:54:24] <timeless> of course, it doesn't have a traditional desktop either, but.. [15:55:01] <gcmandrake> yes, and hopefully people would find the motivation to actually do that on a product which supported it [15:55:04] <Downix> gcmandrake, too often I keep finding that the "desktop Linux's" disable too much progression by default, giving me headaches [15:55:49] <Downix> example, Ubuntu. Beautifully done desktop, super-easy for my wife and son. But when I try and do soemthing simile like compile myself a copy of AROS, doesn't work. [15:55:55] <Downix> erm, simple even [15:56:06] <gcmandrake> it's that higher-level abstraction stuff that breaks consistency [15:56:12] <gcmandrake> one of the unix hallmarks [15:56:15] <Downix> *nods* [15:56:33] <Downix> why is sun's docs pages loading so slowly today? [15:56:40] <flyingparchment> it's always slow [15:56:50] <gcmandrake> the same reason I can't grab my patchdiag.xref :( [15:56:55] <gcmandrake> for the past 3 days [15:56:57] <gcmandrake> haha [15:57:10] <Downix> flyingparchment, oy vey. I just want to blow away this debian and install solaris here.... [15:57:11] <Downix> 8) [15:57:13] <gcmandrake> i need to stop trying at the same time [15:57:22] *** jbsn has joined #opensolaris [15:57:35] <bda> Anyone know if 6591535 is going to get backported to Sol10u4? [15:58:14] <gcmandrake> that article makes me want to fool around with dragonflybsd for a couple hours [15:58:57] *** migi_away is now known as migi [15:59:21] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:00:30] *** Downix has quit IRC [16:00:41] *** Downix has joined #opensolaris [16:00:46] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [16:01:05] <Downix> that was fun [16:02:07] <gcmandrake> when it comes to bsd, I'm a real fan of openbsd [16:02:14] <gcmandrake> or net [16:02:35] <Downix> Agreed [16:02:44] <Downix> Theo might be a jerk, but he's my kind of jerk [16:02:45] <Downix> 8) [16:06:33] *** mikefut has quit IRC [16:06:49] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [16:07:48] <LeftWing> Shoehorning Server OSes onto the desktop is an interesting way to describe what Microsoft have been doing. [16:08:26] *** cygnusecks has joined #opensolaris [16:08:34] <Downix> LeftWing, Well, I am trying to be polite..... [16:09:20] <LeftWing> Well polite is one thing, I just think you have it backwards. ;P [16:09:42] <oxygene> LeftWing: as for NT, that's quite correct [16:09:51] <oxygene> LeftWing: they absolutely ruined a server OS design to accomodate to desktops [16:10:15] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris [16:10:16] <Downix> oxygene, Agreed 100%. [16:10:17] <oxygene> unix-like systems are only halfway ruined, but they're only partial desktop systems [16:10:34] *** catena has joined #opensolaris [16:11:39] <LeftWing> I think the distinction is a bit of a waste of time. [16:12:26] <Downix> true [16:12:37] <Downix> we should instead be focusing on the real enemy, ignorant computer users [16:12:38] <Downix> 8) [16:12:41] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris [16:12:41] <oxygene> all I know is that unix systems are usable as server systems but suck in interactive graphic mode - all of them, no exceptions [16:13:06] <gcmandrake> that's the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while [16:13:09] <LeftWing> Indeed. [16:13:18] <gcmandrake> I guess SGI should erase their past [16:13:31] <gcmandrake> that IRIX sucked for graphical workstation duty, right? [16:13:33] * elektronkind is pretty happy with mac os in that regard [16:13:43] <gcmandrake> </sarcasm> [16:13:50] <elektronkind> 4dwm rocked with much glory [16:13:55] <gcmandrake> exactly [16:14:01] <kjetilho> "this is Unix, I know this" [16:14:06] <elektronkind> hahaha [16:14:08] <gcmandrake> the hardware and software were brilliant for graphics workloads [16:14:13] <Downix> I've never used IRIX [16:14:25] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [16:14:25] <Downix> I know AMIX was damned nice for GUI work [16:14:25] <oxygene> gcmandrake: okay, where's flash9 for irix? [16:14:37] <kjetilho> oxygene: you'll have to gnash your teeth [16:14:42] <gcmandrake> lol, you associate flash with a necessary tool for graphical workstations? [16:14:49] <gcmandrake> frankly: fuck flash ;) [16:15:04] <LeftWing> There are plenty of people making good use out of UNIX or UNIX-like operating systems with desktop environments wrapped around them. And some of them (Solaris and Linux, at least) even have Flash 9. =P [16:15:05] <elektronkind> irix is a dead OS, unfortunatelly. SGI went to Linux when they focussed on cheap compute clusters [16:15:06] <gcmandrake> and the people that invoke flash of why unix sucks on the desktop are generally wintendo weenies [16:15:30] <oxygene> LeftWing: those that have flash 9 also have pango and gtk - that's a breaker [16:15:46] <gcmandrake> flash is one reason why desktops suck, didn't get your daily dose of marketing today? [16:15:57] <elektronkind> flash has nothiung to do with desktops [16:16:02] <gcmandrake> exactly! [16:16:08] <LeftWing> oxygene: Philosophical arguments aside, users who don't care about the mechanicals of the software that they're using are often quite happy with GTK and Pango applications. [16:16:09] <gcmandrake> and even less to do with workstations [16:16:10] <Downix> You know, I feel right at home now [16:16:10] <Downix> 8) [16:16:14] <LeftWing> *mechanics [16:16:41] <gcmandrake> although, for the record, the latest version of flash IS available for sysv unix (at least for solaris) [16:16:56] <LeftWing> And it works moderately well, too. [16:17:01] <Downix> indeed [16:17:04] <elektronkind> desktop responsiveness is more of a functin of the kernel scheduler rather than the desktop system itself [16:17:09] <elektronkind> anyhow... [16:17:20] <gcmandrake> yep, I'm able to see all the "slap the mosquito, get a free laptop" banners, anyway [16:17:27] <gcmandrake> that lets me know flash is working to its full potential [16:17:32] <LeftWing> And Solaris has several tunable schedulers to select from, including one focused on Interactive (desktop) use. [16:18:09] <gcmandrake> oddly enough, ad-blockers seem to eliminate around 95% of all flash on the web ;) [16:18:14] <gcmandrake> go figure... [16:18:24] *** jhawk has quit IRC [16:18:48] <LeftWing> GIF-based advertising was a Problem before Flash-based advertising was. Flash is also a reasonable cross-platform content delivery mechanism. [16:19:04] <gcmandrake> so is Java [16:19:15] <gcmandrake> and Java is more open, and more portable [16:19:30] <LeftWing> As much as I like Java, the applet plugin stuff does kind of blow. [16:19:37] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [16:19:38] <Downix> I like Java better [16:19:40] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [16:19:45] <Downix> if I want to make a Java app, I have a pile of tools [16:19:51] <Downix> Flash, I have to use Adobes [16:19:56] <gcmandrake> yea, I'm not a huge java fan, but I do prefer it over flash [16:20:09] <gcmandrake> and I believe it's more powerful [16:20:13] <Downix> agreed [16:20:14] <LeftWing> Flash is aimed at a different market, though -- content creators, not programmers. What you're really after in that case is something like Flash, but written as a Java plugin. [16:20:29] <Downix> LeftWing, Not hard to do [16:20:34] <gcmandrake> I believe that's correct, and a very good solution to the portability issue [16:20:35] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [16:20:44] *** cub- has joined #opensolaris [16:21:01] <LeftWing> Potentially not hard to do, but you actually need to get people to use it which is always the hard part. [16:21:12] <gcmandrake> anyway, there is no version of windows notepad for unix... discuss [16:21:22] <gcmandrake> ;-) [16:21:31] *** snuff-work has joined #opensolaris [16:21:43] <Downix> gcmandrake, bah! I use PSPad when I have to edit on Windows anyways. [16:21:43] <cub-> can some kind soul help me out with a Sun T3 being "unconfigured" but "connected" in cfgadm -al to my v440 running solaris 10 ? [16:22:02] <cub-> I did try to cfgadm -c configure c3 ; no help [16:22:07] *** sickness_ has joined #opensolaris [16:23:04] <LeftWing> cub-: Have you had a browse through the T3 manuals and configured the thing correctly? [16:23:40] *** karrotx has quit IRC [16:24:13] <cub-> LeftWing, yup, done it already ... infact, it was up and operational for aboug 6 months. Then i stopped using it for months, then I wiped out the OS and reinstalled sol 10 [16:24:37] <cub-> so from the T3 itself, there has been no changes [16:25:27] <LeftWing> Right. Same HBA as well? [16:25:50] <bda> scrub: scrub in progress, 74.67% done, 19h47m to go [16:25:51] <bda> oof. [16:26:04] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [16:26:05] <cub-> yes, same HBA [16:26:22] <cub-> LeftWing , actually this guy here has a similar problem as me http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5103222&messageID=9352069 [16:26:33] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [16:27:02] <cub-> mine is a T300 [16:27:16] <cub-> I don't have mpxio enabled, but that shouldn't matter [16:27:39] <cub-> I did devfsadm -Cv [16:27:43] <cub-> i did reboot -- -r [16:27:45] <elektronkind> cub, you are seeing this in the output of 'cfgadm -al -o show_SCSI_LUN' [16:27:53] <elektronkind> ? [16:27:54] <cub-> ahh, hang on [16:27:58] <LeftWing> Isn't mpxio on by default? [16:28:12] <elektronkind> LeftWing: on sparc it isn't. only on x86 it is [16:28:22] <gcmandrake> sweet, I have about 100 patches pending [16:28:26] <cub-> nice command there, elektronkind [16:28:28] <cub-> [root@betadb1]$ cfgadm -al -o show_SCSI_LUN [16:28:28] <cub-> Ap_Id Type Receptacle Occupant Condition [16:28:29] <cub-> c3 fc connected unconfigured unknown [16:28:51] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep] [16:28:59] <cub-> so it's showing as "connected" [16:29:03] <LeftWing> elektronkind: Is there a reason for that? [16:29:25] <elektronkind> cub-: could you paste the full results of that at opensolaris.pastebin.ca ? [16:29:46] <cub-> elektronkind , that's the only line coming out from that command [16:29:57] <sickness_> uhm [16:30:04] <elektronkind> ok, so you're not seeing any Type lines of "disk" [16:30:13] <cub-> nope [16:30:23] <elektronkind> that would mean that your box isn't seeing the T300 [16:30:38] <cub-> but it's seeing that c3 there [16:30:46] <SunTzuTech> do you have the T3 setup to remote login via network? [16:30:47] <elektronkind> here's an example of what you should see: [16:30:47] <cub-> when it used to work, it was on c3 [16:30:48] <elektronkind> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/737532 [16:30:59] <cub-> SunTzuTech , yes yes I can telnet to it [16:31:07] <elektronkind> right, solaris sees fc controller at c3, but nothing off of it [16:31:13] <cub-> wow, I have all the experts here ... I will have this going today :) [16:31:14] <elektronkind> no disks or anything [16:31:30] <cub-> hmm [16:31:38] *** ICU has joined #opensolaris [16:31:41] <cub-> you're right [16:31:42] <SunTzuTech> I've clubbed myself in the head a few times with a T3 [16:32:18] <cub-> SunTzuTech, can you help me from clubbing my own head with your previous experience with it :P [16:32:32] <elektronkind> cub- here's something to try [16:32:35] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [16:32:42] <cub-> elektronkind , yes please ... i'll try anything [16:32:52] <Downix> ok, trying to teach myself how to setup nfs... [16:32:56] <Downix> this is fun [16:32:57] <cub-> i can see all the volumes when i telnet to it [16:32:58] <SunTzuTech> lol. I'll try. if it's been down for a while, I'd make sure via the telnet interface to the t3 that the volumes are still valid [16:33:09] <SunTzuTech> ok mr precog. :-) [16:33:33] <cub-> SunTzuTech , yes all the volumes are still valid and healthy it seems [16:33:47] <cub-> let me put all the outputs on the pastebin [16:33:48] <elektronkind> cub- do a 'fcinfo hba-port' and you'll get info on all the FC ports on your box. Find the one that is for /dev/cfg/c3 and get its Port WWN (PWWN). Then execute the command 'fcinfo remote-port -p <pwwn>' [16:33:53] <elektronkind> see if anything is listed [16:33:54] <cub-> oh ok elektronkind [16:34:08] <elektronkind> that will tell you if your box sees anything off that controller on a FC level [16:34:19] <SunTzuTech> oh, I think elektronkind has this under control... :-) [16:34:40] <elektronkind> I tussle with mindless FC crap daily ;) [16:35:12] *** sickness has quit IRC [16:35:45] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [16:36:13] <elektronkind> cub-: you might also want to do a 'fcinfo remote-port -s -p <pwwn>' [16:37:28] <cub-> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/737540 [16:37:33] <cub-> ok [16:37:56] <elektronkind> yeah, it looks like your box has no visibility to the T300's LUNs [16:38:05] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [16:38:08] <cub-> :\ [16:38:34] <elektronkind> well, the answer is right there in the hba-port output ;) [16:38:42] <elektronkind> State: offline [16:38:42] <elektronkind> Supported Speeds: 1Gb [16:38:42] <elektronkind> Current Speed: not established [16:38:54] <elektronkind> your FC card isn't connected [16:38:57] <SunTzuTech> the old "is it plugged in"? [16:39:04] <elektronkind> at least, it's not plugged in ;) [16:39:32] <quasi> could be plugged in but have a down interface on the switch, no? [16:39:41] <elektronkind> could be that too [16:39:45] *** dennis has quit IRC [16:40:01] <quasi> "no light at the end of the fc" [16:40:06] <cub-> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/737548 [16:40:09] <elektronkind> aww so sad [16:40:17] <cub-> ohh [16:40:18] *** iMax has quit IRC [16:40:30] *** iMax has joined #opensolaris [16:40:34] <cub-> there is no switch, it's directly connected [16:40:50] <cub-> i did replace the FC cable too [16:41:03] <elektronkind> cub-: might be a bum cable or not inserted all the way [16:41:18] <flyingparchment> broken gbic? [16:41:26] <elektronkind> sometimes those SC connectors can give you a false impression of being well-seated [16:41:38] <quasi> broken gbics are fun, not! [16:41:48] <elektronkind> I have a pile of those [16:41:59] <elektronkind> crappy. I'm much happier with the reliability of the SFPs [16:42:02] <cub-> there is an FC adapter on the v440 [16:42:28] <cub-> when I take the adapter out, the light on the FC card is green [16:42:28] <elektronkind> you could try that [16:42:33] <cub-> when I plug it back in, it's yellow [16:43:01] <cub-> but I was told by someone here that he also had yellow on the light also and it worked for him [16:43:45] <Downix> grr [16:43:52] <Downix> stop+a is not giving me the firmware [16:43:53] <elektronkind> I would try a new cable, and failing that, check the GBICs on the T300 and try another port if you can on the v440 [16:44:03] <elektronkind> either way, your problem right now is one of lack if link [16:44:32] <elektronkind> Downix: did you disable that in /etc/default/kbd ? [16:44:52] <Downix> nevermind, got it [16:45:02] <aruiz> I'm inside a big zone, host myhost solves a dns request, but afterwards, wget or svn can't solve it [16:45:03] <cub-> GBIC is the FC port on the T300? [16:45:12] <aruiz> does zones has any particular restriction to dns solving? [16:45:13] <Downix> ok, now to learn how to get a SPARC to netboot [16:45:18] *** sickness1 has joined #opensolaris [16:45:21] <elektronkind> GBIC is the optical transceiver module part of the FC interface [16:45:23] <flyingparchment> 'boot net' [16:45:35] <elektronkind> or boot net:dhcp [16:45:44] <elektronkind> depending on how you're doing it [16:45:52] <cub-> elektronkind , let me try to put it on another port of the v440 .. thanks a lot for the help [16:46:01] <elektronkind> cub-: no problem [16:46:12] <elektronkind> fcinfo is a very useful command [16:46:28] <Downix> elektronkind, Lost Carrier then Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet [16:46:42] *** oxygene has left #opensolaris [16:48:35] *** phimic has quit IRC [16:48:36] *** sickness_ has quit IRC [16:50:20] *** sriramnrn_ is now known as sriramnrn [16:50:55] <Downix> looks like I need to set up a RARP server [16:50:57] <Downix> hold on [16:51:04] <Downix> *walking to his network server* [16:52:21] *** dennis has joined #opensolaris [16:52:29] <jafari> good morning everybody, here is the moto, i have a openbsd 3.2 box i have been running for years when i started to learn using, i migrated router(nat)/firewall form my openbsd box to my solaris 10 box, i want to now move dns cache and dhcp server form my openbsd 3.2 box to solars 10 box, can anyone provide me with any documents on building dns cache and dhcp server on solaris 10, you're help will be greatly appreciated... [16:52:52] <jafari> LMAO, s/using/UNIX/g [16:55:00] <gcmandrake> one moment, i'll find a tutorial [16:55:18] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [16:55:52] *** sickness_ has joined #opensolaris [16:56:05] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [16:56:30] <gcmandrake> http://www.learning-solaris.com/index.php/configuring-a-dns-server/ [16:56:31] <gcmandrake> that is one [16:56:32] <jafari> gcmandrake if you can find tutorials specificly for solaris 10 ill be the happiest man on earth :) [16:56:58] <gcmandrake> yea, that's 10 dns (it refers to smf) [16:57:06] <Downix> now if someone could tell me how to get my SPARC to net-boot I'd be happy [16:57:08] <jafari> nice :) [16:57:19] <e^ipi> Downix: stop-A [16:57:24] <e^ipi> > boot net [16:57:37] * jafari Jafari gives gcmandrake a huge :) [16:57:43] <Downix> e^ipi: Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP [16:57:58] <e^ipi> so it's not getting the ARP packet [16:58:00] <Downix> right [16:58:03] <e^ipi> is your server set up correctly? [16:58:23] <gcmandrake> http://www.learning-solaris.com/index.php/unix-solaris-10-configuring-a-dhcp-server/ [16:58:25] <gcmandrake> and that is dhcp [16:58:34] *** sickness has quit IRC [16:58:42] <Downix> it should be [16:58:51] <Downix> not quite sure what an ARP is, honestly [16:58:53] <e^ipi> you can simplify the whole thing immensely if you just use JET [16:59:00] <e^ipi> address resolution protocol [16:59:23] <Downix> how would I use jet(what is jet?) [16:59:29] <kjetilho> Downix: your SS 10 don't support DHCP [16:59:45] <Downix> kjetilho: ok. [16:59:53] <e^ipi> jumpstart enterprise toolkit [17:00:03] <kjetilho> in other OBP you have to say boot net:dhcp I think [17:00:09] <e^ipi> there's a quick rundown on how to create a JET server kicking around somewhere [17:00:33] <Downix> kjetilho, Tried that, same error after telling me to ask help ethernet [17:00:35] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/jet/ [17:01:28] <jafari> gcmandrake you have dhcp server link? [17:01:34] <gcmandrake> http://www.learning-solaris.com/index.php/unix-solaris-10-configuring-a-dhcp-server/ [17:01:46] <flyingparchment> Downix: arp converts IPs to ethernet addresses. rarp converts ethernet addresses to IPs [17:01:50] <jafari> does solaris 10 comes with dns and dhcp server installed? [17:01:53] <gcmandrake> yes [17:01:54] <flyingparchment> Downix: the latter is one way to do autoconfiguration for net booting [17:01:55] <jafari> Thanks gcmandrake [17:01:57] <Downix> e^ipi: don't have another solaris machine on the network [17:02:13] <e^ipi> oh, dunno then [17:02:16] <Downix> flyingparchment, I'd be fine if I knew how to manually set it. [17:02:17] <flyingparchment> (the machine rarps for its ethernet address, and uses that as its IP) [17:02:21] <e^ipi> use vmware or something [17:02:29] <flyingparchment> Downix: i don't know if that's even possible [17:02:42] <Downix> flyingparchment, I wonder if the issue is that the DHCP is not at 192.168.1.1 [17:02:52] <flyingparchment> Downix: dhcp is not being used [17:02:57] <flyingparchment> Downix: rarp is used instead of dhcp [17:03:06] <Downix> flyingparchment, ok. [17:03:09] <jafari> isnt there a better DHCP server somewhere i forgot the site [17:03:29] <kjetilho> jafari: ISC [17:03:30] <flyingparchment> Downix: there should be a rarp server for your OS, it's a common protocol [17:03:52] <gcmandrake> better? it's too easy to just use the integrated and follow the guide [17:03:53] <Downix> yup, installing one now [17:03:54] <jafari> yes exactly [17:03:54] <kjetilho> jafari: not sure if it is better, but it feels less alien :) [17:03:59] <jafari> thats the site [17:04:13] <jafari> hmmm [17:04:19] <flyingparchment> but sun dhcp server has a gui! :) [17:04:32] <jafari> why do people suggest ISC version over the platform version [17:04:35] <jafari> ? [17:04:45] <flyingparchment> because people are used to using isc dhcpd [17:04:50] <gcmandrake> yep, and the guide i diligently searched for the purpose is step-by-step with the gui or the shell config [17:05:24] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [17:05:40] <gcmandrake> but you can quibble over isc, rather than actually configuring dhcp all you like (it works fine for me, so I couldn't care less ;) ) [17:05:40] <Downix> ok, got it, but how do I find out my ethernet address to add it to the rarpd arguements? [17:05:41] <jafari> yes gcmandrake i appreciate it not that i will use ISC, i will go you're way :) [17:05:52] <gcmandrake> well, it's not my way, it's just the easier way [17:06:01] <jafari> ok [17:06:07] <gcmandrake> since it's already there, and it's robust [17:06:27] <kjetilho> Downix: banner at the ok prompt will display the MAC address [17:06:36] <Downix> ok [17:06:55] <flyingparchment> you can also use tcpdump to look for the rarp request [17:07:24] <kjetilho> or snoop, if we are to avoid 3rd party software :-) [17:07:38] <flyingparchment> he doesn't have a solaris system [17:07:56] <gcmandrake> Downix: how much RAM does your ss 10 have? [17:08:38] <Downix> gcmandrake, 128MB [17:08:46] <gcmandrake> ah, not too shabby for that era [17:09:00] *** sickness1 has quit IRC [17:09:06] <Downix> ok, it's still not seeing it [17:09:23] <e^ipi> you can always set up a solaris server... you don't need a sparc for the JET server [17:09:33] <e^ipi> you might even be able to just use belenix livecd for it [17:09:41] <gcmandrake> that's a good idea, actually, and the documentation would make more sense [17:09:44] <e^ipi> don't quote me on that one though, i haven't tried [17:11:57] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [17:12:27] <Downix> nothing [17:12:42] <Downix> I even have rarpd in debug mode [17:13:00] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [17:14:24] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:14:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:14:26] *** stevel has quit IRC [17:14:56] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:14:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:15:31] *** stevel has quit IRC [17:15:36] <Downix> where does it look for the rarpd server? [17:15:50] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:15:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:15:58] *** sickness1 has joined #opensolaris [17:16:35] <Downix> hmm [17:16:37] <bda> JET is pretty great. [17:16:39] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [17:16:41] <Downix> might be firewalled [17:17:02] <bda> Firewalled, on different segments, ... [17:17:21] <kjetilho> the main downside to rarpd vs. DHCP is that the server needs to be on the same broadcast network. [17:18:32] *** sickness_ has quit IRC [17:20:47] <Downix> Nope, not firewall [17:20:50] <Downix> this is perplexing [17:21:15] <Downix> it is sending out the requests, but nothing is seeing them [17:21:35] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:21:56] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [17:22:29] *** sickness_ has joined #opensolaris [17:22:33] <Downix> how do I check on which subnet it is? [17:22:46] <Downix> (should be the same unless someone's been messing with my network again) [17:26:20] <Downix> looks like I'm stick with Linux, as annoying as it is, for the immediate future [17:26:36] <Downix> Hmm [17:26:46] *** pfa3rh has joined #opensolaris [17:26:49] <Downix> is it possible to put the HD into another machine and install it that way? [17:27:56] <Downix> (Or I could just dig up a SCSI cable and try and remember where my external DVD-ROM drive is) [17:30:00] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [17:30:21] *** razrX has quit IRC [17:30:24] *** sickness has quit IRC [17:33:32] <Downix> going to surrender for now [17:33:39] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [17:33:39] <Downix> *sigh* [17:35:24] *** sickness1 has quit IRC [17:37:41] <axisys> what is way to good way to keep two remote zfs fs in sync short of a cron job with zfs send | zfs recv ? [17:37:48] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [17:38:02] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [17:38:21] <axisys> also what would be remote fs sync tool for ufs short of rsync ? [17:39:26] <kjetilho> none, except ufsdump, which isn't incremental [17:39:35] <kjetilho> what am I saying! [17:39:51] <kjetilho> of course it is incremental -- but it doesn't support deleting files [17:40:20] <bda> axisys: zetaback. AVS. [17:40:43] <bda> The latter is for sure what you really want. [17:40:48] <bda> That, or rsync. :) [17:42:29] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [17:43:33] <flyingparchment> GRR docs.sun.com [17:43:38] *** catena has quit IRC [17:44:02] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [17:44:03] <Downix> Hmm, could I use QEMU to trick a SPARC install? [17:45:30] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [17:45:36] *** aruiz has quit IRC [17:46:31] <axisys> bda: never heard of zetaback.. thnx [17:47:12] *** Gman has quit IRC [17:47:17] <axisys> kjetilho: so rsync definitely for ufs? [17:47:25] <e^ipi> Downix: why not? [17:47:32] <e^ipi> solaris installs in qemu [17:47:55] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [17:47:56] <e^ipi> you could use the qemu image to run JET [17:48:37] *** |UltraSPARC| has joined #opensolaris [17:48:48] <Downix> or I walk in the other room and hey, there's my SCSI CD-ROM drive [17:48:52] <Downix> *slaps himself around* [17:49:43] <e^ipi> that might be a better plan [17:50:10] <kjetilho> axisys: or rdist if you have *many* files [17:50:34] <kjetilho> rsync wants to keep information about every file in RAM before it starts working [17:50:46] *** |UltraSPARC|_ has joined #opensolaris [17:51:04] <kjetilho> an incremental mode is due for next version, though. also available in alpha [17:55:34] <Downix> ok, how do I boot from a CD? [17:55:42] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [17:56:47] <Downix> if I try boot cdrom it says it can't open the device [17:57:57] <Fish-> hello [17:58:29] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [17:58:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [17:59:27] *** |UltraSPARC|_ has quit IRC [17:59:55] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [18:00:26] <e^ipi> Downix: you probably don't have the 'cdrom' alias set up correctly [18:00:32] <Downix> right [18:00:39] <Downix> it's Target 3 [18:00:40] <kjetilho> use SCSI targe 6 [18:01:03] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [18:01:33] <e^ipi> obp has as 'ls' command that'll show you all the devices on the system [18:01:45] *** razrX has joined #opensolaris [18:01:52] <e^ipi> you should be able to pick the cdrom device out of there and issue boot /pci at 600 dot ..whatever [18:02:55] <Downix> it loaded the HD rather than the CD [18:03:46] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [18:03:55] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [18:04:15] <Downix> I'm learning more about OF now than I did with the year and a half with my old boss [18:04:16] <Downix> 8) [18:05:13] *** gcmandrake has quit IRC [18:07:39] *** millhouse has joined #opensolaris [18:07:51] *** Dar has quit IRC [18:07:52] *** |UltraSPARC| has quit IRC [18:08:19] <millhouse> hey [18:12:25] <Downix> the commands I use either get me "no such device" or boots the HD [18:15:24] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [18:17:08] <Downix> hmm [18:17:41] <Downix> every reference tells me to "boot cdrom" when the machine doesn't see the CDrom alias, but sees "target 3", so trying tof igure out how to alias cdrom properly [18:17:53] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [18:18:00] <kjetilho> why don't you change the SCSI ID instead? [18:18:33] <kjetilho> target 3 is the default target for the system disk [18:18:44] <kjetilho> I don't think it changed to target 0 until UltraSPARC computers [18:18:58] <Downix> that's bizzare, because my system disk is target 0 [18:18:59] <kjetilho> whereas target 6 is the CDROM [18:19:31] <kjetilho> well, it works with both 0 and 3 in Solaris. in SunOS 4.x it was hardcoded in the kernel, so you had to recompile it to change it [18:19:32] <Downix> don't see a way to change my target [18:19:48] *** jhawk has quit IRC [18:20:42] <Downix> wait [18:21:47] <Downix> got it! [18:21:50] <Downix> they hid it [18:23:41] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [18:27:43] *** Megaf is now known as MegAFK [18:29:55] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [18:30:16] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:31:02] <Downix> Now, um... it's sat here for about 5 minutes "booting" but not doing anything [18:31:21] <flyingparchment> Downix: set sector size to 512 bytes on the cd-rom [18:31:34] <Downix> how would I do that? [18:31:40] <flyingparchment> jumper, usually [18:31:53] <Downix> no jumpers available [18:32:24] <sickness> re [18:32:47] <Downix> what is it looking for? [18:33:38] <flyingparchment> find another cdrom :) [18:33:57] <flyingparchment> afaik this is a requirement for most (all?) older sun OFW systems [18:34:11] <Downix> how would I find out it's sector size? [18:35:46] <flyingparchment> if it can't be set it's almost certainly 2048 [18:36:24] <Downix> oy vey [18:36:57] <Downix> I almost wish for a return of the floppy install [18:37:36] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [18:37:39] *** MattMan has quit IRC [18:37:43] <sickness> openbsd's boot floppies++ [18:37:46] <sickness> ;) [18:37:56] <Downix> sickness, Still wouldn't get me Solaris tho [18:38:17] *** sickness_ has quit IRC [18:38:20] <Downix> (and I'd thought of that) [18:38:30] <RElling> I don't want to go and find/buy a floppy drive... haven't used one in years... :-) [18:38:35] <sickness> ok, I was just brainstorming... =) [18:38:54] <Downix> it's what the machine has for a built-in drive [18:39:08] <flyingparchment> got a tape drive? ;) [18:39:21] <flyingparchment> (was solaris ever available on tape?) [18:39:29] <Tpenta> yes [18:39:52] *** storycrafte1 has joined #opensolaris [18:40:22] <Downix> Nope [18:40:27] <RElling> I don't want to go and find/buy a QIC tape drive... haven't used one in years... :-) [18:40:28] <Downix> thought of that [18:40:29] <Downix> 8) [18:40:43] <Tpenta> solaris 1.x was available on tape as were previous versions of SunOS [18:40:46] <g4lt-mordant> RElling, boot net? [18:40:53] <RElling> it'll be faster to boot net [18:40:55] <flyingparchment> ah, i meant 2.x [18:40:56] *** sarahj has left #opensolaris [18:41:16] <g4lt-mordant> OBP FTW [18:42:27] <Downix> I think it's a subnet issue [18:42:28] <Downix> for me [18:45:05] <paul> anyone use BrandZ / CentOS a lot? [18:45:27] <logic_> hi, doesn't opensolaris have a default pop3 server? [18:45:29] * paul wondering whether they too have problems with the 'yum' command hanging [18:46:41] <flyingparchment> how do i write pre-formatted text in jive? [18:47:19] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [18:48:02] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [18:49:22] <Downix> Ok, this is getting tiresome [18:49:23] *** jcea has quit IRC [18:51:49] <tomww> paul: not recently done "yum" but it worked. basic network connection is alread there? So a telnet ip-of-anoter-box 22 should give the ssh protocol ... and the http_proxy=http://yourproxy:port/ (ftp_proxy=...) is set and exported? [18:53:35] <paul> tomww: it works, but hangs every now and then [18:54:25] <paul> tomww: it's a very long-running yum command, cause I'm running 'yum update' (against the CentOS image on OSOL.org) [18:55:35] *** danmcd has joined #opensolaris [18:58:30] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [19:04:10] *** nahamu has joined #opensolaris [19:04:33] <nahamu> hello everyone [19:04:51] <nahamu> has anyone ever seen "zfs destroy pool/fs@snaphot" hang indefinitely and lock up the system? [19:07:09] <Downix> Ok, still no luck [19:07:16] <Downix> can't netboot, it can't see the CD's.... [19:10:18] *** migi has quit IRC [19:11:57] <Downix> Hmm, the boot net issue's changed [19:12:06] <Downix> now it says it cannot send ARP/RARP [19:15:50] <g4lt-mordant> what's the model of your computer? [19:15:56] <Downix> SPARCStation 10 [19:16:41] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [19:19:18] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [19:19:41] <RElling> IIRC, SS10 only does 10Mbit ethernet [19:20:00] <Downix> yup, which is fine for this setup [19:20:07] <RElling> also, there is an OBP switch for enabling link test [19:21:03] <Downix> I'm checking on that block size thing [19:21:10] <Downix> opening up the unit to look [19:21:44] *** deather has quit IRC [19:21:46] *** deather_ is now known as deather [19:22:09] <RElling> I think I have an old external SCSI CD-ROM laying around here somewhere... [19:23:14] <Downix> a ha, there is a way to change the block size [19:24:01] <quasi> does it require the use of a hammer? [19:25:35] *** victori_ has quit IRC [19:27:26] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [19:33:12] <Downix> ok, no help [19:33:19] <Downix> I did notice something tho [19:33:30] <Downix> when I try to start, the "read-write" light doesn't change [19:34:37] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [19:34:53] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [19:34:59] <Downix> no way I could install it from my pre-existing Linux install is ther? [19:35:01] <Downix> there? [19:35:26] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [19:38:08] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [19:38:16] <Downix> hmm, or not [19:38:25] <Downix> the system will not boot Linux with the drive [19:41:01] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [19:42:53] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [19:45:00] *** rcorreia has quit IRC [19:45:55] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [19:50:20] <axisys> if i take a snapshot of uncompressed zfs fs and send it to a compressed zfs fs using zfs send/recv.. will it be compressed? [19:51:28] <jteo> axisys: no. [19:53:46] <axisys> jteo: hmm.. so I actually have to use cpio to have them compressed ? [19:54:10] <cmihai> cpio does not compress. [19:54:24] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [19:54:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [19:54:43] <cmihai> It archives. [19:54:43] <axisys> cmihai: i know.. if you cpoy a file to a compressed zfs fs it should compress.. zfs does that [19:54:57] *** cydork has quit IRC [19:55:24] <jteo> axisys: i could be wrong. it could have been fixed since i last checked. [19:55:39] <cmihai> axisys, doesn't matter what you store than. [19:55:55] <cmihai> It will compress the snapshot if you store it to ZFS. [19:56:09] <cmihai> Do a test drive. [19:56:14] <axisys> cmihai: so answer to my original question is yes? [19:56:24] <axisys> if i take a snapshot of uncompressed zfs fs and send it to a compressed zfs fs using zfs send/recv.. will it be compressed? [19:56:41] <axisys> cmihai: good idea [19:56:43] <cmihai> Should be. Like I said, it takes minutes to see for yoursel.f [19:56:53] <axisys> cmihai: thanks dude [19:57:20] <jteo> hmm. are properties preserved when you zfs send an entire zfs to another machine? [19:57:25] <Stric> axisys: I believe yes. [19:57:46] <cmihai> axisys, what kind of files are you archiving btw? Is it logs and such? [19:57:54] <axisys> cmihai: yep [19:57:59] <axisys> Stric: thnx [19:58:13] <axisys> i am going to test it real quick [19:58:26] <cmihai> Than you're better of looking at http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/10/rzip-great-compression-rates-for-logs.html . It's rzip, you'll get much better compression. [19:58:40] <cmihai> Probably 5-6 times better than ZFS compression. [20:00:06] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC [20:00:09] <cmihai> Those tests are done with binary logs, but plain text logs, woo hoo. Rzip rocks. [20:00:29] <jteo> hence the request to make compression algos pluggable [20:00:34] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris [20:00:52] <jteo> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6421959 [20:00:58] <jteo> ah that was what misled me. :( [20:01:03] <cmihai> jteo, hehe, no, you can't do that with rzip. You can't pipe and it uses up to 900MB memory. [20:01:12] <jteo> cmihai: memory is cheap. :P [20:01:15] <cmihai> It uses a history buffer of 900MB [20:01:21] <cmihai> Compare that to 32k for gzip.. [20:01:30] <cmihai> You can imagine the compression can be like 100 times better ;-) [20:03:09] <axisys> cmihai: zfs can use rzip? if not i cannot use it.. i need to keep the zfs filesystem so user can seemlessly access their data [20:03:27] <axisys> actually some of those data are probably oracle database [20:03:50] *** mikefut has quit IRC [20:03:51] <cmihai> Like I said, nope. But depending on your company policy, you may need to write stuff to write once media like DVD-R or Blu Ray DVD's. Hence, rzip. [20:04:13] <axisys> cmihai: correct! [20:04:27] <cmihai> I have a script that rotates logs and prepares DVD's for me :-) [20:04:28] <axisys> cmihai: i will definitely use it over gzip [20:05:10] <cmihai> I keep logs for a pre-determined period of time on the log server, but anything older has to be on write once media... Trust me, when you have to burn 2 DVD's instead of 20... [20:05:21] <jteo> whatever happened to tape? [20:05:30] *** catena has joined #opensolaris [20:05:37] <danmcd> Would rzip work on ZFS? I thought it required a lot of input before crunching down. [20:06:00] <cmihai> jteo, tape is NOT write once media. [20:06:42] <jteo> your company policy requires it? [20:07:37] <cmihai> There are rules and standards you have to comply with (unalterable retention for example) [20:07:39] <cmihai> jteo, well, governament does anyway :P [20:07:56] <jteo> cmihai: AH. [20:08:06] <jteo> that makes sense then. [20:08:22] <danmcd> If it did work on ZFS, I wonder how much memory bloat would occur? [20:08:27] *** blah__ has joined #opensolaris [20:08:32] <cmihai> There's DVD-R, Blu-Ray BD-R and HP UDO for example [20:08:52] <cmihai> danmcd, as I've said, up to 900MB, that's the history buffer it uses. [20:09:11] <cmihai> 13967 cmihai 643M 642M cpu0 0 0 0:00:14 24% rzip/1 [20:10:23] <danmcd> cmihai, sorry - didn't read your blog entry before typing [20:10:34] <cmihai> :-) [20:10:49] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [20:11:05] *** gavagai_ has joined #opensolaris [20:11:09] <danmcd> Okay, that 900MB checks with what I was reading about it earlier. [20:11:39] <cmihai> jteo, oh, and sometimes logs need to be destroyed. Easier to kill a DVD (microwave owen) than a tape :-) [20:11:58] <cmihai> Hell, I have racks of 100DVD's, they fit in the owen, put it for 3 seconds on 1000W and they're permanently destroyed :-) [20:12:45] *** loky has joined #opensolaris [20:12:55] *** blah__ has quit IRC [20:12:58] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [20:13:08] *** tek-ops has joined #opensolaris [20:13:28] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [20:14:16] *** bnitz has left #opensolaris [20:15:23] <axisys> Stric: problem! if i have a compressed zfs fs on the recv end .. zfs send/recv wont work.. complain that fs already exists.. hmm [20:15:47] <axisys> so I guess copy is the only way to transfer file from non compressed fs to compressed fs .. zfs fs that is [20:16:07] <jteo> it's unfortunate i was proven correct. :( [20:16:29] <cmihai> Sounds like bug :-( [20:16:45] <tek-ops> hi all [20:16:59] <axisys> cmihai: tthat was in sol 10 11/06 [20:17:10] <axisys> cmihai: let me try on snv_70 [20:17:40] <tek-ops> copy as in no rsync? [20:17:51] <RElling> do incremental receive, or in another shell, change the compression property after the new file system is created [20:18:22] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [20:18:29] <cmihai> 11/06 is a tad old. [20:18:39] <cmihai> Try SXCE 74 or 08/07 at least :-) [20:19:25] *** millhouse has quit IRC [20:19:35] <axisys> RElling: if i change the compression property after I recv the file then, as I understand, it won't compress them.. only any new files will be compressed [20:19:59] <cmihai> Yeah, it won't. [20:20:31] <axisys> cannot receive: destination 'newpool/newfs' exists [20:20:37] <axisys> cmihai: that was on snv_70 [20:20:47] <axisys> so I doubt it will work on 08/07 [20:20:54] <tek-ops> has anyone tried to link in more than one version of imlib2 on opensolaris yet? [20:21:44] <tek-ops> I know imlib2-config is used, however this is a dilemma if you have a piece of software that requires a different version of imlib2 than the one required for JDS [20:21:50] <axisys> zfs send oldpool/data@now | zfs recv newpool/data will fail if the fs newpool/data already exist, even if it is empty [20:22:56] *** millhouse has joined #opensolaris [20:22:59] *** noyb has quit IRC [20:23:11] <axisys> i guess i can only do cp like this http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/a_little_zfs_hack [20:23:27] <cmihai> Guess so ;-\. [20:25:30] <Downix> ok, have a plan of action [20:25:51] <RElling> axisys: if the recv is instantaneous, then you'll mis-time it. But if it is instantaneous, then it won't be big enough to worry about compression, no? [20:25:54] <Downix> I'll use QEMU to install Solaris onto my external HD, then use silo on my SPARC's internal HD to boot between them? [20:26:58] <RElling> I could argue that a best practice would be to send/recieve immediately after the fs is created, so then all of your data movements will be incrementals. [20:27:11] <axisys> RElling: so u r saying do the recv and then on another window turn on compression while it is recving ? [20:27:34] <RElling> Also, there is an RFE for properties transfer with send/recv, being worked [20:27:50] <sommerfeld> I think turning on compression in the parent filesystem of the receive will DTRT [20:27:57] <RElling> axisys: yes, you can change properties anytime [20:28:08] <axisys> RElling: i can't recv if the fs already created.. recv end cannot exist before the recv .. [20:28:42] <axisys> sommerfeld: that is an excellent idea. [20:28:42] <RElling> axisys: incremental recvs (qv zfs(1m) [20:28:54] <axisys> RElling: i c.. [20:29:02] <axisys> sommerfeld: i will give that a try [20:29:44] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris [20:31:07] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC [20:31:14] <RElling> zfs receive -d option could also be used [20:33:40] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris [20:34:18] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris [20:36:09] *** nostoi has quit IRC [20:37:59] *** catena has quit IRC [20:42:29] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [20:43:16] *** nyati has quit IRC [20:43:33] *** nyati has joined #opensolaris [20:44:44] *** UberDuper has joined #opensolaris [20:45:34] <jteo> ooh cheap SUN JBODs. [20:46:14] <trygvis> woot? [20:46:27] <sommerfeld> jteo: i hope you mean "inexpensive" :-) [20:46:36] <UberDuper> Can any of you recommend a hardware raid controller for x86 solaris? [20:47:28] <quasi> UberDuper: for scsi, sas or sata? [20:47:37] <UberDuper> Sorry. For sata. [20:47:40] <jteo> sommerfeld: ok fine. inexpensive. by enterprise standards. [20:48:19] <trygvis> UberDuper: this one: http://nextron.no/main.php3?PI=info&PNO=17353 [20:48:26] <trygvis> or anything based on that chip [20:48:52] <quasi> trygvis: not much raid in that [20:48:54] <UberDuper> That's not a raid controller. And it's pcix [20:49:11] <trygvis> doh [20:49:24] <UberDuper> And I do intend on using that controller/chip for zfs based storage. [20:49:35] <jteo> then why do you need a RAID controller? [20:49:47] <quasi> UberDuper: if you want to do zfs, you wouldn't want raid [20:50:01] <UberDuper> I understand that. [20:50:16] <trygvis> jteo: did you mean the storagetek 2500? [20:50:23] <UberDuper> We're ordering hardware which will in the short term run linux. Long term it'll end up running solaris. [20:51:11] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [20:51:34] <UberDuper> If it were up to me I'd just go solaris/zfs and be done with it. [20:51:38] <UberDuper> But it's not up to me. =) [20:51:49] <jteo> trygvis: i'm just babbling about RElling's post. [20:51:57] <trygvis> oh [20:52:16] <danmcd> So the problem you're trying to solve is, "I need a controller that'll do HW raid while I'm running Linux [20:52:21] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [20:52:31] <danmcd> ... and will continue to move bits to disk when running Solaris." right? [20:52:44] <UberDuper> Sounds about right, yes. [20:53:10] <danmcd> Pity I know sh*t about disk controllers, otherwise I'd have an answer for you. :( [20:53:11] <axisys> RElling: zfs recv -d worked.. did not complain about fs exists [20:53:21] <UberDuper> =) [20:53:25] <axisys> RElling: thanks a lot [20:54:25] <axisys> RElling: only because it treats the fs as the parent.. cool [20:56:59] *** Roa has joined #opensolaris [20:58:27] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [20:58:41] <jbk> afternoon [20:58:47] <jteo> wb jbk [20:59:16] <jbk> i apparently overestimated how long it'd take to get to the airport :) [20:59:26] <cub-> re [20:59:34] <axisys> jbk: hey will orcale perform bad on compressed zfs fs / [20:59:36] <axisys> ? [20:59:47] <jbk> no idea [21:00:40] *** Murmuri1 has joined #opensolaris [21:00:42] *** peemus has joined #opensolaris [21:04:26] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [21:04:49] <peemus> anyone know how to get system(C) to route traffic _back_ through proxy(A) & proxy(B) - instead of just the once configured as /etc/defaultrouter ? [21:05:18] <peemus> hope that made sense... [21:05:19] <sommerfeld> peemus: depends on what proxy(A) and proxy(B) are doing to the traffic [21:05:59] <UberDuper> Can solaris boot off zfs? Is that even something that's planned? [21:06:08] <peemus> the proxys are using ipnat to redirect ports to the service on system(C) [21:06:25] *** sarahj is now known as sara1 [21:06:34] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [21:06:35] *** sara1 is now known as sarahj [21:06:39] <sommerfeld> UberDuper: 1) currently only on x86 and with some duct tape (installer doesn't cope yet) 2) doing it for real is underway. [21:07:03] <UberDuper> Nice. [21:07:04] <peemus> sommerfeld, the service is LDAP, and i can run an ldapsearch against proxy(A) but not proxy(B) [21:07:11] *** gcmandrake has joined #opensolaris [21:07:17] <peemus> proxy(A) is configured as the defaultrouter on system(C) [21:07:24] <sommerfeld> peemus: so the nat is rewriting the destination address but not the source address in the ip header? [21:07:54] <peemus> yes, but i'm not sure how to make it do that [21:08:02] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [21:08:14] <jbk> are proxy a & b just regular unix boxes? [21:09:05] <sommerfeld> peemus: one approach would be to give C two ip addresses. A rewrites to C1, B rewrites to C2; C uses ipfilter to send traffic from C1 to A and traffic from C2 to B [21:09:06] <peemus> a is solaris 9 and b is sxce b73 [21:09:21] <jbk> you could just use sun's ldap proxy [21:09:29] <sommerfeld> Or that [21:09:43] <flyingparchment> did anyone here make magt from sun web server work? mine just hangs forever when i start it [21:09:52] <jbk> magt? [21:09:59] <peemus> haha, i am, the proxys are routing to DPS [21:10:00] <flyingparchment> the snmp smux thing [21:10:08] <flyingparchment> (the bundled snmpd doesn't support smux) [21:10:39] <jbk> then something's not write, it shouldn't be doing any sort of NAT, it should be initating a new ldap request [21:12:11] <sommerfeld> is the proxy on A & B or on C ? [21:12:22] <peemus> jbk, this is my ipnat rule: rdr eri0 0.0.0.0/0 port 389 -> 192.168.0.131 port 389 [21:12:43] <peemus> sommerfeld, directory proxy server is on C [21:13:07] <peemus> using ipnat, to get behind A & B [21:14:14] <peemus> and this is my map rules: map eri0 0/0 -> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp [21:14:15] <peemus> map eri0 0/0 -> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 [21:14:36] <peemus> eri0 is the public interface [21:15:41] <peemus> is this even possible? [21:16:11] <sommerfeld> is running the ldap proxy on A & B out of the question? [21:16:16] <peemus> somehow DPS needs to recognize which system the request is coming from and return back to that system [21:16:39] <peemus> well, long term no - i'm trying to do something fast though and thought this might work [21:18:52] <tomww> peemus: what would be the way back for your packates, answers from 192.168.0.131 back to which clients? [21:19:03] <sommerfeld> can you give a 2nd ip address to C? [21:19:28] <UberDuper> sommerfeld: This is the current process? http://blogs.sun.com/tabriz/entry/are_you_ready_to_rumble [21:20:28] *** dmesg has joined #opensolaris [21:20:36] <sommerfeld> if so, you can turn on ipf on C and add a "pass out on xx0 to xx0:B.B.B.B from C2 to any" [21:20:39] <dmesg> hi dudes [21:20:44] <dmesg> i have one question [21:20:47] <dmesg> is ok to use s10 as a production server? [21:20:54] <sommerfeld> UberDuper: I think that's old. [21:21:08] <UberDuper> It's 1.5 years old. =) [21:21:11] <sommerfeld> dmesg: only if you're not comfortable running nevada in production. [21:21:24] <elektronkind> dmesg: I run about 100 servers here on s10 [21:21:26] <dmesg> sommerfeld nevada is s9? [21:21:33] <UberDuper> 11 [21:21:39] <elektronkind> what will be 11 [21:21:44] <dmesg> elektronkind production? :O [21:21:49] <dmesg> ahh [21:21:58] <elektronkind> dmesg: yes, they're quite production [21:22:07] <dmesg> i see :) [21:22:53] <Roa> xDD [21:22:57] <Roa> hello dmesg [21:23:22] <dmesg> xD [21:23:48] *** tek-ops has quit IRC [21:26:04] *** gpoo has joined #opensolaris [21:26:11] *** wms_ has quit IRC [21:26:31] *** jeanBlack has quit IRC [21:26:51] <peemus> would this be the correct rule for making traffic appear as being from 192.168.0.2? map eri1 192.168.0.0/16 -> 192.168.0.2/32 [21:27:51] <peemus> sommerfeld, i can add an interface on C but wouldn't that require a restart of the physical on C (it's a zone) ? [21:29:25] <UberDuper> sommerfeld: This looks a little more up to date. http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/setup-zfs-boot-for-build-72.html [21:30:15] *** bengtf has quit IRC [21:30:58] *** JBeck has quit IRC [21:31:29] <jbk> heh [21:31:44] *** clee has left #opensolaris [21:32:13] <jbk> i finally figured out how to take a sxce iso and get the bits dumped onto an empty zfs fs (so i wouldn't have to patch the dvd image or do mess with temporary slices) [21:32:20] <jbk> except i forgot to reinstall grub :) [21:32:28] <jteo> jbk: practise makes perfect. ;) [21:32:51] <jbk> well it should be a lot easier once snap upgrade is ready [21:33:07] <jbk> thankfully there were some blank cds & dvds handy [21:33:40] <jbk> so i could just download the cd image, boot off it, and reinstall grub [21:33:41] <tomww> peemus: if I adapt one of the rules i use to your addresses, this would look like map eri1 from 192.168.0.0/16 to 192.168.0.131 -> 192.168.0.2 portmap tcp/udp auto [21:34:16] <tomww> peemus: some of the options are not necessary for you, esp. udp I think [21:34:31] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [21:35:15] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [21:35:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o JBeck [21:36:57] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [21:37:13] <peemus> tomww, i just tried it and got the same results - doing an ldapsearch from an external machine doesn't return [21:38:30] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [21:38:34] <l1s> hm, when i try to download packages from blastwave the most ones appear as folders?!? [21:38:38] <l1s> i cant download them [21:38:52] <l1s> hmmm, maybe the downloadprogramm does not support links [21:39:43] <reflect> hi.. when I mounted my machine in a chassi, I ran into a little problem. I get presented with the grub cli, typing root gives me (hd0,0,a) (which should be a ZFS root) and then it says partition type 0xbf unknown.. trying to mount anything fails for me. Could placing the root disk on another sata connector cause this? [21:40:07] <reflect> forgot to say it's nexenta, but I guess that shouldn't matter in this early stage [21:45:45] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris [21:48:09] *** locy has joined #opensolaris [21:48:42] <tomww> peemus: if you connect from the outside to the viewable IP port 389, does this work? [21:49:07] <peemus> tomww, yes, at least it shows up in the ipnat routing table [21:50:45] *** jollydod1 has quit IRC [21:53:09] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [21:54:47] <reflect> sorry, it says "filesystem unknown".. [21:58:38] <tomww> peemus: just an ide to debug this, what if you stop the server on port 389 and bind a in.telnetd to that port? this should proof the nat-rules are okay and no other effect breaks your ldap-queries... [21:58:44] <tomww> *idea [21:59:44] <wnorrix> benr: your blog kicks ass... [21:59:48] <wnorrix> benr: thanks.. 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[22:30:57] <wnorrix> ah .. [22:31:28] <wnorrix> speaking of mysql need to check up on my shipit from open solaris [22:31:56] <wnorrix> trying to push open solaris in my org, if all goes well should able to test it on 50 servers [22:32:11] <wnorrix> before converting all of em to it.. [22:32:22] <wnorrix> but for some reason love ubuntu a bit more :) [22:33:09] <tomww> wnorrix: what industry are you in? [22:33:38] <wnorrix> kinda mixed, since the org i work for is into a bunch of things [22:34:00] <wnorrix> but gis, web2.0, and telecom/wireless stuff [22:34:07] <HCoyote> hmm. 48 2.5" drives in 4U. that'll be an interesting jbod to play with. [22:34:22] <jteo> Hitachi is getting in on that game too. [22:34:44] *** plocher has quit IRC [22:35:26] <wnorrix> been dyin to benchmark postgis + opensolaris [22:35:43] <wnorrix> trying to get rid of oracle ... [22:35:54] <HCoyote> I'm hoping that's the jbod with sas drives. [22:36:09] <tomww> wnorrix: :-) postg* might be a bit more straigt forward and not oversized [22:36:22] <wnorrix> and a hell of a lot cheaper ;) [22:36:55] <wnorrix> and one of my friends (whos name i cant remember) is a maintainer for postgresql and now works at sun [22:37:00] <jteo> oracle is as mystical as it's namesake. [22:37:35] <wnorrix> the thing i cant understand is with the billions of $$$ they make they couldn't roll out a better version of sqlplus (client0 [22:37:49] <tomww> wnorrix: oh, people at sun tend to be busy :-) [22:37:52] *** plocher has joined #opensolaris [22:38:16] <tomww> wnorrix: the good old backwards view ^H^H^H^H^H comaptibiity [22:38:27] <jteo> oh sqlplus is a joy. [22:38:30] <wnorrix> heh [22:38:37] <wnorrix> i used to use emacs + sql-oracle-mode [22:38:44] <tomww> jteo: if you can watch other work with? [22:38:45] <wnorrix> just so i could use the backspace [22:39:20] <jteo> tomww: i'm a sadistic bastard. [22:39:21] <tomww> wnorrix: then you might wand pgadmin3 and a recompiled psql (with gnu readline) [22:39:37] <tomww> jteo: didn't expect something other :-) [22:41:11] <jteo> gawd Sara D. looks very unMarketing [22:41:40] *** FallenHi1okiri has quit IRC [22:43:03] <moazamraja> hrm. [22:44:06] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [22:44:48] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [22:45:36] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [22:45:46] *** sahafeez has left #opensolaris [22:46:31] <jmcp> morning [22:46:36] <trochej> 'lo [22:46:56] <jteo> morn jmcp. [22:47:00] <jmcp> gday [22:47:05] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [22:47:12] <jteo> jeez my bio clock is screwed. [22:50:00] <trochej> Why? [22:50:13] *** MegAFK is now known as Megaf [22:51:16] <jteo> lack of sleep hygiene? 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