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October 13, 2007 [00:01:05] <g4lt-mordant> of course, /usr was effectively what /home became by those definitions too [00:02:45] *** mikefut has quit IRC [00:02:58] <alanc> I only barely remember SunOS - only used it for a few months and just remember how much nicer it was to set up Solaris because you could turn on DNS in nsswitch.conf and no longer had to rebuild libc to get DNS support it [00:03:37] * iron_angel argues with DHCP [00:03:45] <alanc> of course, I later had to explain to an admin with much further back SunOS experience that Solaris was much further evolved than SunOS 3.5 and you no longer had to recompile the kernel to add a new disk to the system [00:06:12] <timsf> You're kidding - recompile a kernel to add a disk? [00:06:29] * timsf thinks of new Back To The Future plot line involving a DeLorean & ZFS [00:07:14] *** |_James_Bond_| has joined #opensolaris [00:07:56] *** palowoda has quit IRC [00:07:57] <|_James_Bond_|> Plz help to configurated to modem is a HUAWEI E220 HSDPA USB Modem... [00:08:31] <|_James_Bond_|> This a modem is work in windows xp... [00:08:46] * g4lt-mordant is pretty sure taht modem isn't on the HCL [00:09:24] <iron_angel> It's basically just a USB-RS232 converter, that then emulates an AT-compatible modem [00:09:33] <hsn_> how hard is to port device driver from BSD to Solaris? [00:09:42] <iron_angel> not sure if Solaris has a driver for that specific chip though. Linux does, and I think FreeBSD does too. [00:10:01] <iron_angel> hsn_: not sure about that one. I'd say 'ask nvidia', but that's a snarky answer :) [00:10:41] <timsf> Does http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=160624 help at all ? [00:11:10] <timsf> (it doesn't look like the solution, but might help others help you ?) [00:11:36] *** pfa3rh has quit IRC [00:12:27] <|_James_Bond_|> This a modem is detected is a Autorun CD DRIVER... [00:13:02] <|_James_Bond_|> i a new user for opensolaris [00:13:07] <|_James_Bond_|> need help [00:13:54] <iron_angel> |_James_Bond_|: This is what I can tell ya about that device: It has two sub-devices. A flash disk which emulates a CD-ROM, and a USB-serial converter, which is the actual modem. [00:14:07] <|_James_Bond_|> ok... [00:14:41] <iron_angel> Under Linux, it takes a special driver option to tell the driver to ignore the mass storage bits and use the serial stuff. [00:14:46] <iron_angel> I'd poke at it, but I no longer have mine. 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[00:22:32] * iron_angel pokes at this Blade 2k. [00:22:47] <iron_angel> hmm, can't both specify a hostname during install and use DHCP. That's odd. [00:22:50] *** aka_druid has joined #opensolaris [00:22:53] *** fffff has quit IRC [00:22:58] <Sporq> any of you know if the sb2500 uses a standard atx type power supply? [00:24:09] *** bubbva has quit IRC [00:27:07] *** cub- has quit IRC [00:28:52] *** karrotx has quit IRC [00:39:22] <timsf> Long shot - anyone know how to get in touch with Petr Sobotka ? [00:40:58] <timsf> Google's found a cell phone, I'll try that. He's been wandering around SFO for the last hour trying to find PatrickF apparantly. <sigh/> [00:43:10] <timsf> Panic over - he's found Patrick! [00:43:15] <timsf> 1 down, 1 to go... [00:44:06] *** jgilje has quit IRC [00:45:20] <sommerfeld> Sporq: sun system handbook has partial pinouts. there's a 6-pin connector for the disk backplane listed that doesn't sound like anything you'd get off an ATX [00:46:42] <sayaka> excuse me, how do you untar a .tar file [00:47:00] <dsch04> man tar [00:47:31] <brendang> timsf: hey [00:47:44] <timsf> Hi brendang [00:47:52] <brendang> timsf: aren't you based in Ireland? [00:48:07] <timsf> Yeah, in MPK17 at the mo though.. [00:48:12] <brendang> timsf: cool [00:48:33] <timsf> heading back home on the 17th [00:48:40] <Sporq> the 2500 doesn't have a disk backplane. [00:48:46] <brendang> timsf: and off to the opensolaris summit? [00:49:09] <timsf> Indeed - now that the various people I'm supposed to be ferrying there have found each other [00:49:19] <timsf> (that sounds really romantic - it isn't...) [00:49:24] <timsf> :-) [00:49:49] <brendang> timsf: do you know much about it? I'm intending on dropping by one night to see people I haven't seen in years, and people I've never seen. [00:49:50] <timsf> Just waiting for them to get a taxi to here, and I'm offski. Don't relish the idea of driving in that rain [00:50:01] <timsf> Yeah - lots of info on the website [00:50:07] <timsf> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/summit/ [00:50:13] <brendang> I'm assuming the opensolaris summit has a drinks session each night [00:50:20] <timsf> Bloody hope so :-) [00:50:23] <brendang> heh [00:51:07] <alanc> there's supposed to be drinks tonight, and drinks & food tomorrow night [00:51:11] <brendang> ok, so either tonight or tomorrow night looks good [00:51:52] <alanc> given Glynn was one of the main planners, I'm sure plenty of beer is in the plans [00:52:54] <timsf> hurrah [00:53:11] *** |_James_Bond_| has quit IRC [00:53:38] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [00:53:39] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [00:53:49] <brendang> ... I would actually stay for the conference and contribute to indiana, but for the next few months I'm booked out with work.. [00:53:58] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [00:54:01] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [00:54:27] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [00:54:46] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [00:56:16] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [00:56:32] <timsf> Don't worry brendang, I'm pretty sure you'll be contributing indirectly (cf. mozilla + dtrace stuff, which I suspect will help the desktop guys a lot) [00:59:23] <brendang> well, the dtrace framework was integrated into the mozilla source this week - big win for dtrace :) [00:59:34] <brendang> next up are the javascript and load probes [01:00:31] <timsf> Yeah, that was really cool alright. Is the javascript stuff the same as the "helpermonkey" demo you had a while back ? [01:00:37] <brendang> yep [01:01:08] <timsf> Cool - I'd have thought that would have been the first set of things to go in, given all that ajax rah rah.. [01:01:13] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [01:01:22] <brendang> I want to take it further - I'd like to be able to print stack traces from DTrace, with JavaScript function evaluation. that would be awsome - tying together software layers in a single output. [01:01:40] <timsf> mmm [01:02:03] <brendang> timsf: the javascript probes needed much framework changes to the mozilla build; so that went in first seperately [01:02:37] <brendang> timsf: the javascript probes will probably get integrated next week [01:03:03] <timsf> Excellent. That makes sense, breaking buuilds is a bad thing. [01:03:19] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [01:09:54] *** cmihai has quit IRC [01:10:51] * tomww is back home from cec :-) [01:18:22] *** comay has left #opensolaris [01:24:31] <RElling> brendang: is there a real NFS server provider for dtrace yet? 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[01:41:59] <brendang> which reminds me - in case anyone missed it and would be interested: http://bdgregg.blogspot.com/2007/10/dtracetoolkit-ver-099.html [01:43:10] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [01:43:19] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz [01:43:42] <tomww> brendang: good signs :-) [01:51:11] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [01:52:16] <RElling> I'm thinking along the lines of a server's view to how well it does NFS, sorta like an inverted iostat [01:52:59] <RElling> I can already show some correlation from snoop data, but it would be nice to do aggregation [01:58:29] *** pschow has quit IRC [01:58:54] <brendang> RElling: if you can cook up example desired outputs, that'd be a useful start [02:00:11] *** alanc has quit IRC [02:01:15] <RElling> brendang: ok, I'll drop something into an e-mail [02:02:24] *** RElling has quit IRC [02:06:00] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [02:18:52] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [02:19:35] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [02:20:23] <elektronkind> brendang: that's awesome work [02:21:14] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC [02:21:41] <brendang> elektronkind: thanks [02:21:42] <elektronkind> brendang: ever thought about soliciting man pages for the scripts and making it a ON package? [02:23:14] <elektronkind> or is this something that you would prefer to keep separate :) [02:23:33] <elektronkind> (either way, it doesn't matter to me, because it all uber cool) [02:24:07] <brendang> elektronkind: there are man pages for the scripts, in the Man subdirectory of the DTraceToolkit (over 200 manpages) [02:24:30] <elektronkind> oh damn, Imust have missed those (and certainly don't have it in my MANPATH) [02:24:44] * elektronkind rectifies that [02:24:47] <brendang> elektronkind: the Examples directory usually serves as better documentation [02:25:43] <brendang> elektronkind: anyhow, I should make it a package one day. and maybe get it on OpenSolaris one day. but not Solaris - there is no great need to integrate it into Solaris, and it would certainly be months of work to get approval. 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[04:01:17] <Sporq> i think. [04:02:22] <aka_druid> and gnome 2.6 is.... sad [04:03:49] <iron_angel> well, it is a bit bloated, true. [04:04:08] <iron_angel> Hmm. Guess I'll use XFCE, and use 3.4.x from blastwave for any KDE apps I want (k3b) [04:04:16] <aka_druid> http://solaris.kde.org/ [04:04:23] <aka_druid> a bit outdated... [04:04:36] <kjetilho> Sporq: KDE may be bloated, but at least it uses half the resources of GNOME [04:04:45] <Sporq> heh [04:04:47] <aka_druid> but it says there are 3.5.1 packages, which qualify as 3.5.X heh [04:05:06] <iron_angel> hmm, yeah, that's rather close. [04:05:07] <Sporq> hahaha "opensolaris love at first boot" [04:05:10] <aka_druid> Sporq, have you tried after 3.5.0? It really improved [04:05:12] <iron_angel> and faster than recompiling. [04:05:26] <Sporq> aka- nah, perhaps i will [04:05:32] <aka_druid> iron_angel, could talk tothe guys, maybe they put put more recent packages [04:05:46] <kjetilho> on my 512 MiB workstation, GNOME is simply not an option, but KDE works fine. [04:05:57] <iron_angel> oh, those are source packages... [04:06:04] <aka_druid> Sporq, do it. I know what Im talking about. I switched only after they made it a bit lighter [04:06:21] <iron_angel> looks like I either compile or use 3.4.x. [04:06:42] <aka_druid> kjetilho, I would say at 512MB of ram kde also annoys me, but just a little. But with more ram you dont even feel its "full of stuff" [04:07:22] <aka_druid> 3.4.X to 3.5.X kde changed in an unrecognizable way (for the better) [04:07:30] <kjetilho> sure, it's sad, but 512 MiB is marginal these days. [04:07:45] <kjetilho> I'm running KDE 3.5.5 btw [04:07:51] <aka_druid> at 512MB I would pick xfce or wmaker (no, I dont like the ultralight envs) [04:09:16] * kjetilho has a ordered new workstation and hopes to receive it next week. 2 GiB RAM and 6 times faster CPU for less than USD 1000. it's amazing what you get for your dollars these days. [04:09:49] <iron_angel> hmm, seems I can build 3.5.7 trivially with gcc but not so much with Sun Studio 12. That's a pain. [04:11:15] <tsp> Just why do things need more and more ram? I.E. zfs [04:11:50] <aka_druid> ram is good [04:11:56] <aka_druid> and if it gets cheaper... [04:13:44] <aka_druid> data storage is a performance bottleneck nowadays (thats why you get cache in the processors and boards)... so the more fast access data storage you can get, the better [04:15:05] <tsp> ah, zfs does piles of caching [04:15:41] <aka_druid> some ftp servers runs mirrors directly from ram, for better throughput [04:16:32] <tsp> wo, lots of ram [04:16:45] <aka_druid> yeah, 16 or 32GB [04:22:24] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [04:27:21] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [04:28:51] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [04:34:24] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [04:35:21] *** wangcity has joined #opensolaris [04:35:48] *** insomnia has quit IRC [04:39:16] *** SamuraiMark has joined #opensolaris [04:40:46] <moazamraja> re [04:41:04] <moazamraja> anyone here headed to the santa cruz OpenSolaris Summit ? [04:41:06] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [04:42:13] <SamuraiMark> I wish. [04:42:45] <SamuraiMark> The schedule looks good [04:43:42] <moazamraja> i'm supposed to head over there tonight [04:43:53] <moazamraja> highway 17 has a major accident tho, blocked up for a while [04:45:08] <wangcity> how to config wifi pci netcard in Solaris Express Developer Edition 9/07 [04:45:21] <SamuraiMark> hm, I'm 4500km away ... don't think I'll make it [04:47:15] *** laca has quit IRC [04:48:56] *** mcnamarabrian has quit IRC [04:57:56] *** polk_ has quit IRC [05:01:07] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [05:08:02] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [05:08:09] *** jafari has quit IRC [05:11:00] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [05:19:21] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [05:22:02] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [05:22:37] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [05:27:17] <wangcity> hi [05:27:33] <wangcity> anyone know how to config wifi in Solaris Express Developer Edition 9/07 [05:28:05] *** Megaf has quit IRC [05:36:35] <SamuraiMark> wangcity: not me,sorry [05:45:31] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [05:49:04] <jbk> uugh [05:49:06] <jbk> i mean hi [05:57:37] *** wangcity has quit IRC [05:59:08] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [06:00:17] *** rachel_ has quit IRC [06:01:17] *** rachel_ has joined #opensolaris [06:10:42] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [06:11:08] *** bengtf has quit IRC [06:15:14] *** sayaka has quit IRC [06:23:56] *** mr-potter has joined #opensolaris [06:26:36] *** gm152 has quit IRC [06:28:29] *** Drone has quit IRC [06:33:10] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [06:33:11] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [06:34:21] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [06:35:49] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [06:36:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [06:37:35] *** robilad has joined #opensolaris [06:41:56] *** AtomicPunk has joined #opensolaris [06:51:08] *** mr-potter has quit IRC [07:01:30] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [07:03:09] *** Megaf has quit IRC [07:03:44] * the-decider might be by Santa Cruz around the time of the summit. Is complicated, you see [07:17:00] *** theRealBallchalk has joined #opensolaris [07:17:23] *** theRealBallchalk is now known as RealBallchalk|zz [07:27:40] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC [07:30:15] *** jmcp has quit IRC [07:30:16] *** Kush- has quit IRC [07:30:35] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [07:30:58] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [07:32:04] <Fish> hello [07:32:31] <dlg> ola jmcp [07:33:24] *** robilad has quit IRC [07:35:05] *** salamanders has joined #opensolaris [07:39:24] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [07:51:46] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [08:02:05] *** stevel has quit IRC [08:03:35] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris [08:09:34] <jteo> dubi-doo. 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[09:26:35] <Teltariat> And this done within a live system [09:26:37] *** Megaf has quit IRC [09:28:14] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: you can use liveupgrade to upgrade to a dvd, but you can't install with it [09:28:35] *** e^ipi_airport has joined #opensolaris [09:29:11] *** e^ipi_airport is now known as e^ipi_summit [09:29:16] <Teltariat> flyingparchment: So I'm runnin snv_69; can I use Liveupdate to upgrade based off the stuff on a lofi-mounted snv_74 ISO? [09:29:16] <e^ipi_summit> howdy [09:29:35] <Teltariat> Hey e^ipi [09:29:48] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: yes [09:29:49] <Teltariat> Thank you very much, flyingparchment [09:30:09] <jteo> Teltariat: yes you can. I've done it. [09:30:16] <Teltariat> Thanks again [09:30:38] *** kdeuser^ has joined #opensolaris [09:30:39] <jteo> e^ipi_summit: i see you made it to MPK? [09:30:48] <kdeuser^> Hey.. [09:30:49] <e^ipi_summit> nope [09:30:55] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris [09:30:56] <e^ipi_summit> schilly picked me up from SFO [09:31:22] <kdeuser^> Anyone used the latest build of opensound ? Does it support the latest intel drivers ? [09:31:27] <jteo> e^ipi_summit: intriguing. [09:32:10] <e^ipi_summit> my flight was delayed to such a degree that catching a ride from him was a 20 minute wait at the airport [09:32:23] <e^ipi_summit> which is much easier than wandering down to sun's campus & hoping to bump in to someone [09:32:54] <jteo> ah [09:34:57] *** kdeuser^ has left #opensolaris [09:36:03] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep] [09:41:28] *** clee has joined #opensolaris [09:42:05] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [09:42:13] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [09:46:40] <Teltariat> Hmm.... I have an app thats immediately core-dumping, and I'd like to kind of get an idea _why_ its core dumping. Since I'm but a puny neophyte, dtrace is beyond my ken (for now). Are there any lighter tracing mechanisms or should I just shut up and use DTrace? [09:46:45] *** e^ipi_summit has quit IRC [09:47:22] <clee> I take it nobody's working on a stripped-down OpenSolaris NAS distribution yet? [09:47:39] <Teltariat> hey, thats a good idea. [09:47:52] <Teltariat> Thats actually why I'm Solaris in the first place. [09:48:00] <jteo> Teltariat: start with a stack trace? [09:48:01] <Teltariat> I'm **using Sol... [09:48:04] *** iron_angel has joined #opensolaris [09:48:11] <iron_angel> stupid question - if I put a supported USB card into an Ultra 80, can I use it for input devices once Solaris boots? [09:48:21] <iron_angel> (ie, supported by Solaris but not by OF) [09:48:38] <Teltariat> jteo: stack trace....how? [09:48:45] <jteo> Teltariat: man pstack [09:48:52] <Teltariat> jteo, Thank you [09:54:46] <Teltariat> jteo: pstack (and associated p-tools) is missing rtld_db, which was supposed to have been included with SUNWcsl (which is indeed installed).... without this, I can't get and symbol names out of pstack... ever ran into this before? [09:55:45] <SunTzuTech> iron_angel: probably want to use a NEC usb card. I know those work. As for using them with input devices (you mean like mice?) dunno [09:55:53] <SunTzuTech> hi jeremy [09:56:08] <iron_angel> Cool, I'll test it. [09:57:26] <SunTzuTech> I seem to recall that because Sparc boxes are uniquely tied to the hardware, things like mice may not work with the xserver [09:58:23] <jteo> SunTzuTech: heya. [09:58:33] <jteo> Teltariat: that's strange... [09:58:38] <SunTzuTech> jteo: ltns [09:58:47] <jteo> SunTzuTech: been busy. [09:58:48] <Teltariat> agreed [09:59:28] <SunTzuTech> yeah, I haven't been aroudn much. woke up in the middle of the night, can't sleep [10:00:04] <iron_angel> well, there are USB SPARCs, so I expect it might, but I'll give it a shot. 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Has anyone dealt with this one? [13:46:02] *** nostoi has quit IRC [13:46:42] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [13:46:43] <FBdev> this is a v240 Generic_120011-14 and aparently a ZFS problem? [13:50:48] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [13:51:09] <FBdev> also in Cluster 3.2 two node config and this ocurred after switching resource to the second node after adding a Zpool to a resourcegroup [14:00:28] *** thezerox has joined #opensolaris [14:12:52] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [14:20:43] *** mcnamarabrian has joined #opensolaris [14:20:46] <jteo> wtf is facebook. [14:21:38] *** victori has quit IRC [14:22:17] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [14:22:34] *** mcnamarabrian has quit IRC [14:26:53] <tsp> jteo: It's some kind of blog site, as far as I know [14:27:06] <tsp> although I'm probably oversimplifying it a bit [14:29:18] <jteo> apparently i'm missing out on this whole social revolution or something. -sigh- [14:29:55] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [14:31:02] *** crib has quit IRC [14:34:07] *** thezerox has quit IRC [14:37:09] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [14:37:28] *** crib has joined #opensolaris [14:37:30] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris [14:37:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly [14:38:03] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [14:40:22] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [14:52:56] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [15:04:24] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris [15:07:16] *** l1s has quit IRC [15:11:58] *** kFuQ has quit IRC [15:13:58] <kaiwai> hmm [15:14:14] <kaiwai> facebook, put it in the myspace/bebo/faceparty etc. etc. crowd [15:16:16] <BadKarma> meh [15:17:07] <BadKarma> there is one more geekdate.com or something my buddy at the office plays with that [15:19:16] <jteo> holy [15:19:26] <kaiwai> yeap, 'social networking' [15:19:41] <kaiwai> aka emo's whinging, guys trying to get laid, and pedo's looking for kiddies [15:20:25] <BadKarma> good point kaiwai [15:21:22] <kaiwai> sure, I've got a blog, but I could never be buggered with the whole 'social BS' [15:22:30] <BadKarma> ok...but I've got a linkedin profile [15:23:10] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [15:30:52] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz[PDA] [15:32:06] <kjetilho> Facebook is pretty useful for inviting people to parties and keeping in touch with what people do [15:32:38] <kjetilho> it does require everyone to sign up, though. but at least around in my circles, the majority have. [15:56:51] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [15:58:35] *** mcnamarabrian has joined #opensolaris [15:58:38] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [16:01:10] <Drone> I've never seen useful license talk in #opensolaris. [16:01:15] *** Megaf has quit IRC [16:03:29] *** kFuQ has joined #opensolaris [16:06:01] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [16:06:43] <axisys> flyingparchment: i can put it anywhere [16:06:53] <axisys> flyingparchment: u should put your smf script anywhere [16:07:04] <axisys> u should be able to I meant [16:09:54] <Triskelios> jteo, tsp: facebook is essentially a social directory for college students, although obviously evolved quite a bit [16:10:16] <jteo> and it's supposedly worth billions. w00t. [16:10:44] *** mcnamarabrian has quit IRC [16:12:34] <Triskelios> yeah, it has gazillion users now [16:14:10] <Triskelios> is anyone here at the summit? [16:14:56] <SunTzuTech> I had to cancel at the last minute [16:15:32] <Triskelios> aww [16:16:45] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [16:16:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [16:17:34] <Triskelios> I'm here in Santa Cruz and it's been a lot of fun so far, without the flamewars that people feared (although I did only see gisburn briefly =P) [16:20:49] *** Netwolf_ has joined #opensolaris [16:22:28] <PerterB> is Joerg there? [16:25:57] <Triskelios> supposedly [16:26:25] <PerterB> he was probably already there 10 years ago and you missed him ;) [16:26:37] *** jonkri has quit IRC [16:28:01] <jteo> heh. [16:29:41] <Triskelios> time to wander over to campus or something [16:29:55] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [16:31:54] <kaiwai> hmm, santa cruz [16:32:11] <kaiwai> for some reason when I hear that I think of SCO and really bad soap opera's [16:35:18] *** Gekz[PDA] is now known as Gekz[sleep] [16:38:14] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [16:38:53] *** Netwolf_ has quit IRC [16:38:54] *** Netwolf has quit IRC [16:39:26] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris [16:41:11] *** jcsmith has joined #opensolaris [17:07:03] *** dlg has quit IRC [17:07:29] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [17:12:01] *** dlg has joined #Opensolaris [17:12:44] *** salamanders has quit IRC [17:13:03] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [17:17:49] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC [17:18:04] *** kFuQ has quit IRC [17:21:34] *** |UltraSPARC| has joined #opensolaris [17:33:36] *** IvanR_ has joined #opensolaris [17:37:47] <FBdev> anybody has had panic[cpu1]/thread=300012d2ca0: dangling dbufs (dn=600033f3be0, dbuf=600033f5ec8) [17:40:07] <FBdev> ZFS problem? [17:40:12] <kaiwai> whats that using? [17:40:33] <kaiwai> what are you running? [17:40:43] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [17:42:04] <FBdev> kaiwai Generic_120011-14 on a v240 suncluster 3.2 two node cluster and after creating a pool [17:42:35] <kaiwai> so its Solaris not opensolaris [17:42:40] <FBdev> and put into a resourcegroup successfully y tested evacuating to the second node and it panicked [17:42:45] <FBdev> kaiwai yes [17:43:22] <kaiwai> have you checked in #solaris ? [17:43:40] <FBdev> kaiwai yes ... absolutely no answer [17:45:34] <kaiwai> had a look, sounds like an issue with the e1000g driver, I assume it has an intel gigabit ethernet card? [17:47:18] <kaiwai> is your ethernet card be0? [17:48:25] <kaiwai> hello?! [17:48:34] <FBdev> kaiwai no qfe and ge : http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/735365 the dump is about ZFS ... [17:50:51] <kaiwai> what version of solaris is it? [17:51:14] *** tg has quit IRC [17:51:42] <FBdev> kaiwai 11/06 patched to Generic_120011-14 [17:52:11] <kaiwai> paid patches? [17:52:43] <FBdev> kaiwai nope [17:52:57] <FBdev> ecomended&Security [17:55:14] <kaiwai> I had a look through, and there are mentions of zfs bugs [17:55:24] <kaiwai> all I can suggest is downloading the latest version of Solaris [17:55:54] <FBdev> kaiwai mmmm I'm not sure about U4 copatibility [17:56:08] <kaiwai> which is the compatibility issue? [17:56:09] <FBdev> kaiwai with cluster 3.2 yet ... [17:56:18] <FBdev> kaiwai thanks for your time [17:56:57] <kaiwai> its strange, there are alot of mentions of errors of that nature, but not of that memory address [17:57:04] <sommerfeld> FBdev: there was a recent "dangling dbufs" fix to nevada [17:57:07] <kaiwai> most of them are mentioned before 11/06 [17:57:41] <sommerfeld> zfs bug [17:58:41] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:59:01] <flyingparchment> wow, docs.sun.com is actually fast today [17:59:13] <FBdev> sommerfeld I've seen something like zfs bug fixed for "paying" customers ... [17:59:33] <kaiwai> FBdev: according to google.com - 3.2 is compatible with U4 [18:03:21] <FBdev> kaiwai well you have been more accurate than me I did not see that [18:03:50] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [18:04:30] <FBdev> kaiwai then I'll upgrade first and bug afterwards [18:04:38] <FBdev> kaiwai cheers : ) [18:05:38] <kaiwai> have fun :) [18:07:14] <flyingparchment> hm, spoke too soon, now i can't load anything on sun.com [18:07:37] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: sorry, I was searching it - thus, leaching the limited bandwidth it has :) [18:17:12] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris [18:17:34] *** kaiwai has quit IRC [18:19:38] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [18:19:49] *** victori_ has quit IRC [18:20:38] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [18:22:07] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [18:24:10] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [18:24:40] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [18:25:11] <Triskelios> yo yo [18:25:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC [18:27:14] <Gman> Triskelios, dude! :) [18:29:01] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [18:30:33] *** tamr has quit IRC [18:32:56] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris [18:33:16] <dsch04> Afternoon all [18:33:52] <dsch04> Anyone able to help me with an OpenSolaris installation problem? [18:35:01] <Shiv_1> dsch04: Depends on the problem. (OpenSolaris => You mean Solaris Express). [18:35:18] <dsch04> Yeah, that's the one [18:35:30] <dsch04> I'm booting from the sol-nv-b74-x86 DVD [18:35:55] <dsch04> It seems to be spinning on "Configuring /dev" [18:37:09] <Triskelios> dsch04: boot with additional options: -vk [18:37:27] <dsch04> OK - that's the sort of info I need. Thanks [18:37:38] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [18:37:41] <dsch04> I see a coupld of warnings before it starts configuring dev [18:37:44] <dsch04> Want to see them? [18:38:05] <flyingparchment> dsch04: how long did you wait? [18:38:30] <dsch04> About 30 mins [18:38:45] <dsch04> The Warnings are: [18:38:47] <dsch04> WARNING: out of I/O resources on bridge: bus -x5, dev 0x0, func 0x1, for secondary bus 0x6 [18:38:48] <dsch04> WARNING: devices under bridge bus 0x5, dev 0x0, func 0x1 willnot be assigned I/O ports [18:39:01] <dsch04> Let me try -vk [18:39:54] *** derchris has quit IRC [18:40:33] <dsch04> Does "-vk" go at the end of the kernel line? [18:41:44] <flyingparchment> yes [18:44:10] <dsch04> Ok, it seems to detect 3 of the 6 disks on my 8-port SATA controller (assuming they are detected in order 0, 1, 2, etc. [18:44:42] <dsch04> The last thing I see is: [18:44:49] <dsch04> sd3 is /pci@0 etc etc [18:44:54] <dsch04> Then just the spinning cursor [18:47:29] <dsch04> Any further ideas to find out what's hanging? [18:47:59] <trygvis> what controller do you have? [18:48:58] <dsch04> Supermicro [18:49:29] <trygvis> I meant which controller chip [18:50:07] <dsch04> The card is an ... hang on [18:52:18] <dsch04> AOC-SAT2-MV8 [18:53:06] <oninoshiko> that should be a Marvell 88SX [18:53:10] <dsch04> Based on the Marvell Hercules-2 Rev. C0 [18:53:19] <oninoshiko> ? [18:54:07] <dsch04> That's what it says here: http://scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=258223 [18:55:32] <oninoshiko> that card is fully supported... its the same thing i use [18:56:42] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC [18:56:56] <dsch04> It's in one of these mobos: http://scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=615970 [18:57:01] <dsch04> Asus P5K WS [18:57:51] <dsch04> iP35 chipset [18:58:21] *** jks has quit IRC [18:58:26] <dsch04> Any more diagnostics I can do? [19:01:58] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris [19:02:04] <oninoshiko> i have 4 machines with 2 of that card in them. each card (presently) supporting 4 drives. no problems... [19:02:43] <jamesd> dsch04, did you run devfsadm and then recheck format [19:02:57] <dsch04> Where do I run devfsadm from? [19:03:19] <dsch04> oninoshiko, what mobo are you using? [19:04:05] <oninoshiko> intel desktop board... one moment ill get the model number [19:04:29] <jamesd> you do it from a shell [19:04:38] <dsch04> I haven't got an install yet! [19:05:22] <oninoshiko> Intel DG965RY [19:05:26] <oninoshiko> IIRC [19:05:43] *** jks has joined #Opensolaris [19:06:00] <oninoshiko> actually i know i recall correctly because I was updating documentation yesterday [19:06:07] <dsch04> :) [19:09:08] <dsch04> Oh, you've got them in PCI slots [19:09:22] <dsch04> I was thinking you'd found a board with 2xPCI-X slots [19:09:26] <oninoshiko> yes, so i dont get the full preformance [19:09:31] *** moazamraja has left #opensolaris [19:10:05] <dsch04> Well, I'm not getting any performance :) [19:10:10] *** Bart_M has quit IRC [19:10:40] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris [19:10:54] *** victori has quit IRC [19:11:36] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [19:11:38] <oninoshiko> I'm kind of halfheartedly trying to make the argument that we need nice server boards with dual PCIx (in addition to the PCIe we need for other cards), but it works adequately... so i think I'm probably not going to be able to justify the expenditure. [19:12:18] <dsch04> jamesd, I'm doing a new install, booting from the b74 DVD [19:12:35] <dsch04> How do I run devfsadm ? [19:15:15] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [19:15:56] <dsch04> Is OpenSolaris Plug and Play ? [19:17:49] *** |UltraSPARC| has quit IRC [19:17:58] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [19:18:00] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [19:19:35] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [19:19:42] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [19:20:34] <dsch04> Well, I think I'll have to give up for now [19:20:41] *** estibi has quit IRC [19:20:50] <dsch04> Got dinner to prepare in time to sit down and watch the rugby!! [19:20:53] <dsch04> Come on England! [19:21:24] <dsch04> Allez Les Ros Bifs [19:24:32] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [19:24:33] <jamesd> dsch04, the cdrom should be doing it automaticly... so i doubt its the issue.... that is useful when you add the card to a previous install or you are hot plugging drives [19:24:43] <dsch04> OK [19:24:52] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [19:24:59] <dsch04> It just seems to hang on the 4th drive [19:25:50] <jamesd> dsch04, move the 4th drive to a different port like 8.. and see if its a bad drive or cable issue [19:25:58] <dsch04> Good idea [19:26:33] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris [19:31:17] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [19:32:18] *** tamr has quit IRC [19:36:37] *** deather has quit IRC [19:36:58] *** deather_ is now known as deather [19:38:07] <Teltariat> Is there anyway of tricking LiveUpgrade into working with BEs whose root is stored on ZFS datasets? [19:38:43] <Teltariat> I'm running snv_69 and I'm trying to use LiveUpgrade to install snv_74 on another ZFS dataset, but I run the entire machine of a whole-disk ZFS root. [19:38:50] <Teltariat> LiveUpgrade will hear none of it. [19:40:04] *** benr has joined #opensolaris [19:41:10] <Sporq> heh [19:41:59] <Teltariat> Hey, is that the same benr of Cuddletech fame? Can I have your autograph?! [19:42:19] <Teltariat> :) [19:43:00] <Teltariat> Anywho, I'm guessing no one has done any foonking around with liveupgrade on ZFS? Anyone? ...someone?.... [19:43:08] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [19:43:15] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris [19:43:41] *** e^ipi_conference has joined #opensolaris [19:43:48] <Triskelios> Teltariat: you might be able to do an in-place upgrade on a snapshot, but Live Upgrade is complex enough that you'll probably have to wait for Snap Upgrade [19:44:03] <l1s> hi all [19:44:20] <Teltariat> Triskelios: I'll have to give that a shot if all else fails, thanks [19:44:44] <dsch04> Aha, success? [19:45:10] <dsch04> Or, success!! Even [19:45:27] <Teltariat> Nope, only dismal failure here so far. [19:45:32] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [19:46:27] <dsch04> I've unplugged all drives except the first two and I've managed to boot into the installer [19:48:49] *** dynamicproxy has joined #opensolaris [19:49:04] <Triskelios> dynamicproxy: yo [19:49:30] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: Hey there. [19:49:42] <dynamicproxy> I'm just trying to locate the songbird IRC channel as well.. [19:50:01] <Triskelios> it's #songbird on irc.mozilla.org [19:50:09] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: ack... [19:50:12] <Triskelios> I've been there for a while [19:53:43] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: How did you learn about me building xulrunner ? Did you read my livejournal post ? [19:54:39] <Triskelios> dynamicproxy: I need to stop replying on -summit [19:54:47] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [19:55:09] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: me too ! I'm using chatzilla, and have these tabs open ! [19:55:30] *** noobuntu has quit IRC [19:56:02] <dsch04> jamesd, Installation now proceeding. However, I'll need to get it to boot with all six drives. In fact, I'll have 10 drives: 2x80GB mirrored for the O/S (on the mobo sata ports) and 8x250GB which I'll configure as a raidz2 array. [19:57:09] <jamesd> dsch04, you can do the zfs stuff after the os is installed [19:57:36] <dsch04> Yeah, I figured [19:57:50] <dsch04> But, only if the box will boot with all 10 drives in [19:58:55] <jamesd> dsch04, pull the driives... install... shut down the box.. and boot ... it wont even look for new drives unless you tell it too.. [19:59:03] <dsch04> Ah, OK [19:59:14] *** Disreali has joined #opensolaris [19:59:33] <dsch04> That's when I use devfsadm [20:00:01] <jamesd> dsch04, you dont want the OS scanning for new hardware when it has to reconfigure a 1000 devices in the process... [20:00:15] <jamesd> when your loosing 50k a minute while the box reboots. [20:00:18] <dsch04> Sorry, not sure what you're saying [20:00:27] <dsch04> Ah, I understand [20:00:45] <flyingparchment> if you're losing that why money, why haven't you deployed Cluster? :) [20:01:21] <jamesd> flyingparchment, because clusters aren't the easiest to configure and dont work with all software... [20:01:48] <benr> jamesd: your not at the Summit are you? [20:01:59] <jamesd> i'm only 1500 miles a way. [20:02:28] <benr> why didn't you come out? [20:02:35] <dsch04> Can I mirror the root partition? (Or "slice" as I believe I need to get used to saying!) [20:02:49] <jamesd> no money, new at job, i'm a contractor so no funds for travel availible [20:02:53] <flyingparchment> dsch04: yes, with svm. see the manual at docs.sun.com [20:03:16] <dsch04> flyingparchment, thanks [20:03:20] <Triskelios> jamesd: sun covered my travel costs [20:03:32] <dsch04> Will need to get up to speed with Solaris - have a linux background [20:03:51] <flyingparchment> you'll want to mirror swap too [20:03:56] <jamesd> nice... i have been too busy at work leaning 10,001 and acronyms to keep track of most opensolaris news. [20:04:05] <jamesd> i barely even heard about the summit last week [20:04:09] <benr> Sun provided a lot of "sponsorships", mentioned on the page. [20:04:10] <benr> ah. [20:04:11] <dsch04> Ok - will do [20:04:34] <l1s> dsch04: so you have experience with linux, and have not learned to read the manual? [20:04:41] <dsch04> hah! [20:04:51] <flyingparchment> linux has a manual? [20:04:52] <dsch04> I'm in the "playing with it stage" [20:04:58] <dsch04> Double hah! [20:05:24] <e^ipi_conference> benr: that's how I got here [20:06:02] <dsch04> Before I commission my servers "officially", I'll make sure I read a lot [20:06:14] <Triskelios> e^ipi_conference: hey, you're here? join the summit chan [20:06:24] <e^ipi_conference> which summit chan? [20:06:27] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: I'm sriramnrn at gmail Write to me, and I'll send you instructions on the exact steps that I've taken to get a working xulrunner build [20:06:56] <Triskelios> dynamicproxy: okay. I'm going to be talking to the Sun Beijing folks here to debug the crashes [20:07:01] <dsch04> Actually, I won't be using them interactively much - I really just want to use OpenSolaris because of zfs, and iSCSI support. I'm building a couple of NAS servers. [20:07:08] <Triskelios> if you want we can meet later [20:07:21] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: I'm not at the summit. [20:07:30] <Triskelios> e^ipi_conference: #opensolaris-summit [20:07:31] <jamesd> benr, i will try and go next year.. things will be much better by then... hopefully i will be a full time employee of this company and not just a contractor [20:07:39] <dynamicproxy> triskelios: I'm still in India, preparing a presentation on building opensolaris. [20:07:40] <Triskelios> dynamicproxy: oh =\ [20:07:43] <Triskelios> okay [20:07:49] <oninoshiko> dsch04: there are some problems with the iscsi target, it is fixed, but i dont know if the fix is in the realease [20:07:57] <oninoshiko> yet [20:08:07] <dsch04> Really? [20:08:17] <dsch04> I presume I can install the update? [20:08:30] <flyingparchment> dsch04: before you install: create another partition the same size as your root (and the same for /usr, /opt etc. if you put those on separate slices) for liveupgrade [20:08:31] <oninoshiko> my employer paid to have it fixed [20:09:05] <dsch04> OK [20:09:31] <dsch04> (I had read that before somewhere) [20:09:36] *** eboutilier has left #opensolaris [20:09:41] <oninoshiko> we are trying to get it into the release, but i haven't had an update from Rick McNeal on it yet. [20:09:57] <dsch04> What does "in the release" mean? [20:10:32] <oninoshiko> so the fixed version is what is on the DVD you download [20:10:56] <dsch04> Ah, I see. Would I have to download a DVD to upgrade? [20:12:02] *** RainDoctor has joined #opensolaris [20:12:12] *** nostoi has quit IRC [20:12:22] <oninoshiko> i would assume you could use the updater thing when it gets added... but I really dont know. [20:13:31] <oninoshiko> you might not even encounter the problem. it only seems to affect Qlogic HBAs... (although the HBA's interpritation of the standard is correct) [20:14:01] <l1s> does someone know a page for free solaris drivers?? [20:14:41] <Triskelios> l1s: jurgen has some... [20:15:07] <l1s> hmmmm [20:15:08] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [20:15:12] <dsch04> ok, let's hope I don't hit the issue. [20:15:24] <flyingparchment> dsch04: for SX, you need to upgrade, there are no patches. (that's what liveupgrade is for - you can upgrade online, and rollback if the upgrade fails) [20:15:24] <l1s> the drivers for opensolaris can be found in the bfu source packages, true? [20:16:02] <e^ipi_conference> they're in the source [20:16:05] <flyingparchment> l1s: there are no 'bfu source packages' [20:16:06] <Triskelios> l1s: most of them are in ON, so a tarball or hg checkout of ON [20:16:08] <flyingparchment> bfu archives are binaries [20:16:20] <l1s> ok, thanks [20:16:25] <l1s> ON what was i meant... [20:16:26] <e^ipi_conference> cvs.opensolaris.org [20:16:27] <dsch04> flyingparchment, what I meant was, I don't need to download a DVD to upgrade [20:16:32] <e^ipi_conference> you can search through it [20:16:35] <flyingparchment> dsch04: with SX, you do [20:16:42] <flyingparchment> dsch04: "upgrade" = get a new release and upgrade to it [20:16:49] <dsch04> Ah, Ok [20:16:50] <oninoshiko> l1s: i believe most of them are in ON.... but i do not believe all the drivers are open [20:17:10] <flyingparchment> dsch04: with solaris 10 (the production solaris release) bug fixes and new features are delivered via patches (and 6-monthly or so update releases, which accumulate patches and some larger new features) [20:17:11] <dsch04> Linux/*BSD 1 - Solaris 0. :) [20:17:16] <l1s> thats not important... i just need a example on building my own [20:17:21] <dsch04> (open)Solaris [20:17:35] <l1s> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b75/ nam nam, fresh source :D [20:17:37] <flyingparchment> dsch04: if you want apt-get, use nexente instead of sx [20:20:43] <dsch04> How stable is it? [20:21:19] <dsch04> Alpha 7? [20:21:31] <flyingparchment> dunno, never used it [20:21:52] <dsch04> heh [20:22:32] * oninoshiko hasn't either [20:23:10] <dsch04> Is it x86_64? [20:23:33] <flyingparchment> probably, there's no difference between i386 and x86-64 on solaris [20:23:48] <dsch04> Really? How so> [20:23:49] <dsch04> ? [20:24:09] <flyingparchment> if you boot on a 32-bit system, it loads a 32-bit kernel. if you boot on a 64-bit system, it loads a 64-bit kernel. [20:24:20] <flyingparchment> only a few binaries that need to be 64-bit for some reason are [20:24:21] <jamesd> there are 32 and 64 versions of the kernel, and not all drivers work in 64 bit and vice versa [20:24:52] <dsch04> Ah, OK [20:24:59] *** Gropi has quit IRC [20:25:30] <dsch04> Right, gotta go guys. TTYL [20:25:31] <jamesd> i wonder if the marvell drivers are 64 bit only... [20:25:50] <Triskelios> gh [20:25:52] <Triskelios> er [20:25:57] <Triskelios> the sata drivers? [20:26:39] <jamesd> yeah... [20:26:52] <jamesd> it is a 64 bit pci-x card... [20:27:31] <flyingparchment> it would be odd if they were 64-bit only [20:27:53] <jamesd> i have seen other drivers that are 32 bit only... [20:28:03] <iron_angel> 64-bit PCI-X does not imply that the drivers must be 64-bit only, though. [20:28:14] <flyingparchment> isn't that mainly for obsolete hardware? [20:28:21] *** fluffle has quit IRC [20:28:25] <jamesd> no but it would make things easier... [20:28:57] *** fluffle has joined #opensolaris [20:30:50] <oninoshiko> the marvell 88sx works in both 64bit and 32 bit [20:31:40] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [20:32:27] <oninoshiko> (the repair mode or safe mode or whatever its called loads a 32-bit kernel on x68 without regard to the processor) [20:35:43] *** catena has joined #opensolaris [20:36:46] <madhatter> re [20:39:20] <madhatter> I am still wondering why I have to always add 'route -p add default 192.168.0.1' every time I start my b72 to reach internet. [20:39:40] <madhatter> And every time I am told that this route is already stored... ;) [20:39:51] *** alan2 has joined #opensolaris [20:40:29] *** alan2 is now known as alanc [20:42:22] *** l1s has quit IRC [20:44:02] *** sahafeez_ has joined #opensolaris [20:45:02] *** alanc has quit IRC [20:46:58] *** catena has quit IRC [20:47:15] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [20:50:08] *** karrotx has quit IRC [20:52:13] *** bengtf has quit IRC [20:58:41] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris [20:58:44] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [20:59:29] <l1s> my fuckin dump isp [20:59:31] <l1s> sry... [21:00:32] *** alanc has quit IRC [21:02:33] *** e^ipi_conference has quit IRC [21:05:41] *** Beket_ has joined #opensolaris [21:05:42] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [21:05:46] *** dunc has quit IRC [21:05:58] <Beket_> Hello people. Does anyone know the size of zfs implementation in terms of lines of code? Thanks [21:06:41] *** sahafeez_ has quit IRC [21:09:31] <g4lt-mordant> Beket_, since it's opensource the answer is easy, download the source, untar it, and wc -l [21:12:15] <Beket_> Since the source is kind of big, I thought to stop by and ask here. Thanks anyway. [21:12:22] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [21:12:37] *** Beket_ has left #opensolaris [21:16:00] *** deedaw has quit IRC [21:18:02] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [21:22:51] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [21:23:32] *** Megaf has quit IRC [21:29:34] <sparvu> evening [21:29:35] *** l1s has quit IRC [21:29:57] *** RainDoctor has quit IRC [21:30:06] <sparvu> anyone running SXDE on Acer Aspire 5520 ? Im trying to install SXDE 9/07 on this laptop. Works fine except the network [21:30:10] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [21:30:40] <sparvu> The NIC seems to be NVIDIA, MCP67 ethernet ? [21:30:41] <iron_angel> do you know what the chipset is? [21:30:48] <iron_angel> ah, answered that one. Sec. [21:30:55] <sparvu> Well the prtconf -vp says: [21:31:24] <sparvu> vendor id: 10de [21:31:32] <sparvu> device-id: 054c [21:31:48] <sparvu> MCP67 Ethernet NVIDIA [21:32:05] <iron_angel> hmm, no nvidia NICs seem to be listed on the HCL :( [21:32:13] <sparvu> the laptop is an AMD X2, with nvidia GeForce 8400M G [21:32:22] <flyingparchment> nfo supports some, but i think muriyama's nge supports more [21:32:38] <flyingparchment> (nfo is for the nforce integrated cards) [21:32:49] * sparvu checking muriyama's nge driver [21:33:33] <sparvu> nfo ? is this under laptop community ? [21:33:41] <flyingparchment> nfo is bundled with solaris [21:33:58] <flyingparchment> oh wait, nge is the bundled one [21:34:02] <flyingparchment> (nge(7d)) [21:34:33] <sparvu> well nge does not work. I checked that [21:35:34] *** alanc has quit IRC [21:35:52] <sparvu> ahh, nfo from muriyama driver list might do the trick [21:35:56] <sparvu> thanks for pointers [21:37:45] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [21:41:57] *** wraith has joined #opensolaris [21:42:50] <wraith> How can I change the path where pkgadd installs soft?As I have no space in /,in want to install in /export/home [21:43:55] <palowoda> sparvu: The nge driver worked with mcp61 which the 67 model is just a cheaper version. You might want to follow the instructions in http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6497473 just add your device_vendor id and device. [21:44:03] <g4lt-mordant> wraith, it's actually nicely explained in the manpage [21:44:27] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [21:44:45] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> -R root_path Define the full path name of a directory to [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> use as the root_path. All files, including [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> package system information files, are relo- [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> cated to a directory tree starting in the [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> specified root_path. The root_path may be [21:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> specified when installing to a client from a [21:45:28] <g4lt-mordant> server (for example, /export/root/client1). [21:46:09] <wraith> ah,ok,I missed this [21:46:17] <wraith> thought there must be config file [21:48:11] *** locy has joined #opensolaris [21:50:41] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [21:55:04] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris [21:55:17] <flyingparchment> hrm.. ipf is suddenly giving strange errors on an ipf.conf that used to work fine [21:56:12] <iron_angel> new ipf version? [21:56:33] <flyingparchment> i don't think so, it worked fine on boot [21:56:38] <flyingparchment> broke when trying to reload the rules [21:57:09] <wraith> =( When I install new version of opera into non-standard location, it doesn't want to start [21:58:22] <jbk> do you have a pastebin of the errors? [21:59:24] <wraith> It starts like a daemon, no window [21:59:31] <wraith> no error, but no window [21:59:49] <jbk> i mean the ipf stuff... i've never used opera [21:59:56] <flyingparchment> jbk: protocol unknown error at "from", line 17 [22:00:04] <flyingparchment> line 17 is: pass in quick on bge0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 keep state [22:00:23] <jbk> hmm.. looks correct [22:00:30] <jbk> are there any lines around that one that maybe don't look right? [22:00:46] <flyingparchment> nope.. i tried commenting out lines, and it just gives an error on the next uncommented line [22:01:04] *** e^ipi_conference has joined #opensolaris [22:01:12] <jbk> strange [22:01:23] <flyingparchment> hm.. if i say proto tcp/udp instead of proto tcp, it works [22:01:48] <flyingparchment> i guess i can use that as a workaround for now, very odd though [22:01:57] <jbk> yeah [22:02:05] <jbk> can always paste an email [22:02:08] <jbk> err send [22:03:18] *** jks has left #Opensolaris [22:03:41] <jbk> someone else might have a better idea [22:04:46] <flyingparchment> i guess it must've broken on the last patch run and i didn't notice until now [22:05:47] *** loky has quit IRC [22:06:02] <flyingparchment> this is S10, if i mail the opensolaris lists i might get whined at ;) [22:06:25] <jbk> oh hmm.. [22:06:53] <jbk> too bad you're not here [22:07:02] <jbk> could probably get the question answered quickly [22:13:20] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris [22:19:50] *** wraith has quit IRC [22:21:15] <jteo> i'm ashamed to say i find this facebook thingy entertaining. [22:23:47] *** Atomic-Punk has joined #opensolaris [22:23:47] *** AtomicPunk has quit IRC [22:23:56] *** Atomic-Punk has quit IRC [22:25:10] <flyingparchment> i wish people wouldn't make java apps that include their own appserver.. i already have a perfectly good one here [22:26:19] *** catena has joined #opensolaris [22:27:43] <oninoshiko> apperently they dont think so [22:28:31] <jteo> re-inventing the wheel looks good on everyone's resume! [22:28:36] <jbk> heh [22:28:45] <jbk> there's a group where i work that's really big on that [22:28:56] <jbk> decided to write their own object database [22:29:00] <jbk> their own IM system [22:29:15] <jteo> NIH is a plague. [22:29:18] <jbk> their own distributed batch scheduler [22:29:22] <flyingparchment> well, the appserver it includes is jboss, they didn't write their own [22:29:22] <trygvis> there is a difference between including your own appserver and writing one [22:29:26] <jbk> their own IDE [22:29:31] <g4lt-mordant> flyingparchment, it's easier to rewrite an appserver than to attach to one already in place ;P [22:30:01] <jteo> trygvis: it's late here, and i mis-read. :P [22:30:26] <trygvis> :) [22:31:27] *** alanc has left #opensolaris [22:31:41] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [22:41:45] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [22:42:02] *** e^ipi_conference has quit IRC [22:42:26] <trygvis> any hg users awake? I'm having issues checking out osol: http://rafb.net/p/03TG0V47.html [22:48:36] *** victori_ has quit IRC [22:49:11] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [22:54:21] *** locy has quit IRC [22:54:32] <master_of_master> is it a big problem if a device in a raidz is 2% bigger than the others? [22:55:19] <flyingparchment> no, the extra space just won't be used [22:58:21] <oninoshiko> hmm [22:58:44] <l1s> the backup one or the main one? [23:11:13] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [23:16:21] *** mikefut has quit IRC [23:17:58] *** FBdev has quit IRC [23:18:37] *** FBdev has joined #opensolaris [23:21:06] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris [23:21:23] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [23:26:23] *** soccerfan127 has joined #opensolaris [23:26:31] *** soccerfan127 has quit IRC [23:29:18] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [23:29:52] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [23:31:25] <FBdev> how could I prevent a system on 11/06 (not opensolaris I know sorry) try to mount a ZFS pool that is making two nodes panic with "dangling dbufs", there is no data in the datasets yet s [23:32:15] <FBdev> but I can not destroy it either import it to destroy it , I've tried to remove zpool.cache stil no sucess .... is format an option? [23:35:19] <oninoshiko> hrm, i dont know [23:35:45] <oninoshiko> haven't seen a problem like that myself... on OS [23:39:15] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [23:42:08] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [23:46:11] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris [23:52:47] <WickedWicky> FBdev set the mountpoint to 'none' [23:52:56] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [23:53:11] <WickedWicky> zfs set mountpoint=none pool/fs [23:55:32] <FBdev> WickedWicky that would be perfect yes .... if I could get a hold to the bloody zpool ... zpool status == no pools;zpool import mypoolname == panic [23:55:51] <WickedWicky> so [23:56:02] <WickedWicky> halt one node [23:56:08] <WickedWicky> boot one node in non cluster mode [23:56:12] <WickedWicky> try to import [23:56:46] *** timeless has joined #opensolaris [23:57:15] <FBdev> WickedWicky it just panics ... [23:57:29] <WickedWicky> then it isnt your cluster [23:57:54] <FBdev> WickedWicky no is the pool [23:57:57] *** lfs-livecd2 has joined #opensolaris [23:58:29] <FBdev> WickedWicky the pamic is dangling dbufs and all a zfs_* crap [23:58:47] *** karrotx has quit IRC [23:59:11] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC [23:59:20] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris [23:59:25] <WickedWicky> I understood it was under a cluster, that's why I opted for booting in non cluster mode and try