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[00:03:11] <LeftWing> axisys: Ultra-Thin
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[00:06:57] <kjetilho> but it didn't even use the UltraSPARC!
[00:12:44] <WickedWicky> nite all
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[00:19:11] <e^ipi_> hmm... floppy disks are remarkably hard to find
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[00:20:11] <kjetilho> a mislaid micro-SD is even harder
[00:22:19] <e^ipi> i meant new ones for purchase
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[00:28:37] <PerterB> 3.5" or 5.25"?
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[00:32:44] <kjetilho> e^ipi: you may have some luck in a music shop, since quite a few synthesizers used them for samples
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[00:37:01] <wesolows> iirc they are no longer being manufactured
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[00:38:18] <kUdtiHaEX> well i still have a few boxes of BASF 5.25''
[00:38:21] <kUdtiHaEX> brand new :D
[00:38:39] <wesolows> 360k or 1.2M?
[00:38:42] <kUdtiHaEX> 1.2
[00:38:47] <kjetilho> new -- geologically speaking
[00:38:51] <kUdtiHaEX> and also i have this Golden Axe
[00:38:53] <wesolows> or, heaven forbid, 180k or even 90k :-)
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[00:39:10] <kUdtiHaEX> game on one of them
[00:39:42] <wesolows> considering the rate at which those went bad, wouldn't it make sense to copy data off them and dispose of them?
[00:39:55] <kUdtiHaEX> oh no :)
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[00:40:07] <kUdtiHaEX> they are not usable just after first usage
[00:40:15] <kUdtiHaEX> but... i'm little bit nostalgic
[00:40:29] <kUdtiHaEX> you know these days when games were on them
[00:40:42] <kUdtiHaEX> so you had 30 disks
[00:40:47] <kUdtiHaEX> with ARJ files :)
[00:40:52] <kUdtiHaEX> but one of them is bad
[00:40:59] <kUdtiHaEX> so you can't unpack your game
[00:41:02] <kUdtiHaEX> oh those were days :D
[00:41:03] <wesolows> my floppies from that era are filled with GIF and JPG files
[00:41:19] <kUdtiHaEX> than you don't know what pain is :D
[00:41:28] <wesolows> the ones that had ZIP and ARJ files seem to have gone bad
[00:41:33] <wesolows> so I discarded them
[00:41:41] <wesolows> the multi-disk archives...yeah.  All gone now.
[00:41:46] <kUdtiHaEX> :)
[00:42:49] <kUdtiHaEX> but this diskette with Golden Axe still works
[00:42:56] <kUdtiHaEX> i have an old 5.25 drive
[00:43:09] <kUdtiHaEX> stolen from some brand new IBM 286 :D
[00:44:31] <Tigerstein> good night
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[00:46:51] <NikolaVeber> <kUdtiHaEX> with ARJ files :)   - ARJ rulz!
[00:46:54] <NikolaVeber> :)
[00:47:01] <kUdtiHaEX> yes :)
[00:47:03] <kUdtiHaEX> ARJ rules
[00:47:24] <kUdtiHaEX> i still remember all DOS commands :)
[00:47:32] <kUdtiHaEX> and ARJ switches
[00:47:33] <kUdtiHaEX> :)
[00:47:43] <kUdtiHaEX> for split and extract
[00:47:44] <kUdtiHaEX> :)
[00:48:40] <pitty> is there a way to view faults on the hardware layer of my x4600? I have a couple amber lights blinking, not sure what could be amiss. i just installed an hba and 256Gb of memory
[00:49:14] <pitty> there are no errors from the os perspective and prtd shows nothing useful
[00:50:12] <kUdtiHaEX> man where the hell did u found 256 Gb of memory? :)
[00:50:53] <NikolaVeber> this is solaris channel... figure it out :D
[00:51:07] <kUdtiHaEX> oh yes :)
[00:51:23] <kUdtiHaEX> stupid me
[00:51:30] <tsp> 256GB? I only have 256MB :)
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[00:52:52] <seanmcg> pitty: fmdump ?
[00:52:55] <kUdtiHaEX> well maybe he is preparing to install Vista :)
[00:53:41] <pitty> we purchased it for our FE groups, 4gb DIMMS, they model market data so we maxed out the x4600 for them
[00:54:06] <pitty> so any ideas as to where one can find something relative to the amber lights?
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[00:55:14] <jbk> have you tried connectong to the lom?
[00:55:52] <pitty> i have SC access but not sure where to search
[00:55:57] <seanmcg> pitty: fmdump ?  Does it tell you anything ?
[00:56:38] * pitty sees this 'fmdump: /var/fm/fmd/fltlog is empty'
[00:57:26] <pitty> i can see all my memory with no problem at all
[00:57:39] <seanmcg> so FMA doesn't see anything wrong
[00:58:04] <pitty> no, i don't see any issues at the hw layer yet i have lots of amber lights
[00:58:44] <pitty> sorry, i meant OS layer
[00:58:58] * boyd curses gnome-terminal.... *again*
[00:59:04] <boyd> (Monring, all)
[00:59:09] <boyd> and Morning, too
[00:59:24] <pitty> maybe there's a firmware patch that i can apply
[00:59:42] <seanmcg> Theres maybe logs under /SP/logs in the SP (aka SC...)
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[01:00:02] <pitty> okay, i will check that, thanks Seanmcg
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[01:34:05] <gisburn> !summon comay
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[01:39:33] <cub> I have a T3 SAN connected to a v440 running solaris 10 u3 sparc.  The connection was there a while back, but today I couldn't see it anymore using "format" command.  I tried "devfsadm -Cv" as well as "boot -r" from the OK prompt but no help.  Can someone offer some tips?
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[01:43:11] <cub> hi Sporq
[01:43:20] <Sporq> Howdy!
[01:44:13] <cub> alright, i'm looking for some help with troubleshooting a T3 SAN connection to a solaris 10 sparc box
[01:44:25] <cub> it's not displayed under "format"
[01:45:12] <gisburn> alanc: Don't be suprised if you get more hits in your blog - I added you to the demo bookmarks in http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/rssread.ksh
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[01:46:22] <alanc> I don't pay much attention to blog hits, since it's so hard to measure with aggregators like planet.os.o, planet.fd.o, bloglines/google reader, etc. between blogs.sun.com and the readers
[01:48:31] * gisburn updates http://twitter.com/gisburn
[01:48:51] <gisburn> The twitter stuff starts to make some "fun" if you have a dumb command-line tool to put stuff there.
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[01:51:24] <alanc> hmm, wonder if you could hook that up to a hg hook to have a twitter changelog
[01:51:38] <alanc> or if that would be any more useful than just having CIA-bot
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[02:01:15] <gisburn> alanc: well, you can always grab shtwitter and do it yourself.
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[02:01:44] <gisburn> I don't have access to the machines but using the shtwitter.ksh script isn't very hard.
[02:02:23] <gisburn> and I just added a new method to allow service scripts to use shtwitter.ksh in a way that at the beginning you test the credentials to make sure it works.
[02:02:40] <gisburn> next step is to make some kind of SMF service from it.
[02:03:05] <gisburn> and http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/multifollow.ksh can be used to "follow" multiple files.
[02:03:25] <gisburn> (multifollow acts like "tail -f" for multiple files)
[02:03:41] <alanc> doesn't gnu tail do that too?
[02:03:47] <kjetilho> yes
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[02:04:28] <gisburn> alanc: depends... it doesn't like it when you remove the files.
[02:04:43] <gisburn> you'll find the remains of a GNU tool in /var/core/ then.
[02:05:27] <Gman> brendang, does jim mauro ever pause for breath? ;)
[02:05:33] * Gman sitting in a perf talk right now
[02:06:02] <gisburn> Gman: last I checked he seems to be eitehr anerob or a plant.
[02:06:19] <gisburn> e.g. works without oxygen or produces it.
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[02:06:49] <Gman> heh, he just cracked the same joke as cantrill about aligning columns :)
[02:07:20] <gisburn> Gman: try removing all light from the room where he is... if he starts to whither then he's a plant.
[02:07:28] <Gman> ok
[02:07:29] <kjetilho> gisburn: mine doesn't
[02:07:54] <kjetilho> Gman: I love that quote, "God is angry!"
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[02:08:11] <god_> grrraaawwwwwwww
[02:08:14] <god_> fear me
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[02:09:30] <kjetilho> gisburn: it does loose track of the file if it's gone for some time, even with -F.  but it doesn't crash
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[02:10:29] <gisburn> kjetilho: $ tail --version # please
[02:10:46] <kjetilho> coreutils 6.9
[02:11:35] <gisburn> 5.30 here
[02:11:45] <gisburn> er
[02:11:45] <kjetilho> works in 5.97, too.  that's the oldest I have
[02:11:48] <gisburn> 5.3.0
[02:11:51] <gisburn> mhhh
[02:12:02] <kjetilho> keep up with the times, will you? :)
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[02:16:25] <wesolows> tail --version had damn well better spew a usage message and fail
[02:16:39] <wesolows> unless /usr/gnu/bin is in your path first, of cours
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[02:21:35] <paulf> Hello
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[02:34:14] <g4lt-mordant> any -- switches should emit a "what the fuck are you doing, gnubie?"
[02:36:32] <cub> anybody here have a T3 SAN hooked up to a Solaris 10 sparc box ?
[02:38:06] <brendang> Gman: oh - the performance talk is today? I thought it was yesterday.
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[02:38:47] <Gman> brendang, he might have had a few, but he's on now
[02:38:56] <Gman> and talking about virtualization performance during the next hour too
[02:38:59] <alanc> g4lt-mordant: other than the POSIX required '--' to end options, right?
[02:39:32] <jbk> evening
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[02:40:43] <brendang> Gman: cool stuff. sadly I miss CEC this year - too busy..
[02:41:08] <Gman> brendang, no worries - it's vegas, i've decided i hate vegas ;)
[02:41:15] <Tempt> Hah.
[02:41:18] <brendang> Gman: heh
[02:41:40] <brendang> Gman: it's interesting for about 5 minutes.
[02:41:49] <Tempt> Oh, come on. At least 10.
[02:42:04] <g4lt-mordant> alanc, of coruse for that one, that's a different thing, and one of the reasons I hate GNU, they play fast and loose with POSIX reserved concepts
[02:42:07] <Gman> it's just overwhelming in terms of how much money this place generates
[02:42:10] <brendang> Tempt: true, it takes that many to count the security cameras.
[02:42:11] <Gman> the fountains are nice
[02:42:31] * Gman tried to take a photo in the bellagio last night - someone promptly told me to stop :)
[02:42:32] <Tempt> brendang: Ha.
[02:42:51] <Tempt> To be honest, anything would be the dose of shittyrail I've had since Tuesday.
[02:43:09] <Tempt> I'm beginning to understand why people vandalize trains
[02:43:22] <brendang> the blinking poker machines are interesting for a while in a subconsious visual stimulative way
[02:43:46] <brendang> as in, these are interesting and I don't know why (blink, blink, blink, blink, blink).
[02:44:12] <cub> hmm....does Solaris 10 have all the SAN drivers ?  Sun T3 array in particular
[02:44:26] <brendang> maybe my subconsious is better where it is, my consious would probably think it was a moron if they ever met.
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[02:47:45] <Triskelios> the chiming sounds of the slot machines is rather strangely soothing
[02:47:56] <ottom> axisys: "ut" stands for "Ultra Terminal"
[02:48:43] * boyd considers creating a facebook group called "Meta != Alt, you fools!"
[02:49:29] <boyd> cub: I'm not 100%, but I'd say yes
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[02:50:26] <Tempt> boyd: Haha, facebook group.
[02:52:35] <boyd> :P
[02:53:05] <boyd> If there can be an "I secretly want to punch slow-walking people in the back of the head" group then ....
[02:53:13] <Sporq> hmm
[02:54:07] <axisys> ottom: thanks
[02:55:59] <moazamraja> re
[02:56:44] <moazamraja> anyone noticed that the e1000g is slow as molasses on T1000/T2000 ?
[02:57:17] <moazamraja> 2900 gives me 29MB/s....same network, T2000 with a e1000g gives me barely 6MB/s
[02:57:26] <moazamraja> seems there are some comments about it online, but no results?
[02:57:30] <moazamraja> (answers, i mean)
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[03:01:02] <moazamraja> gman...any experience with T1000/T2000 and the e1000g cards?
[03:01:09] <Gman> sorry, none
[03:01:28] <gisburn> moazamraja: is the stuff single-threaded you're using ?
[03:02:15] <moazamraja> i did an SCP for a test
[03:02:31] <moazamraja> so yeah, that is single thread
[03:02:38] <moazamraja> it's a single download/upload
[03:02:47] <moazamraja> but c'mon, 6MB/s vs 29MB/s ?
[03:02:50] <moazamraja> that's crazy
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[03:03:58] <jbk> what does mpstat look like when you're doing the scp?
[03:04:14] <Triskelios> moazamraja: ssh has a low upper bound for throughput, it's not a good test
[03:04:39] <jbk> if the cypto unit isn't/can't being used, i could see lowered performance just from that
[03:05:03] <moazamraja> i could do ftp..i think
[03:05:11] <gisburn> moazamraja: T2000 single-threaded jobs act worse than an Ultra5 with 270MHz
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[03:05:24] <moazamraja> i understand that single thread sucks...
[03:05:28] <jbk> then if going across a wan, ssh fares even worse
[03:05:30] <Gman> Triskelios, met thomas wagner today - seems like a nice guy, was pimping SFE during a guys talk about open souce software and solaris
[03:05:31] <moazamraja> but..., honestly, it can not be THIS bad
[03:05:46] <Plaidrab> By chance does anyone know if SUNWxwfs is required for Sunray services?
[03:05:47] <moazamraja> because if so, i can't get the data fast enough to the T2000 for it to process it!
[03:06:02] <moazamraja> you sure this is not a e1000g problem, as opposed to a T2000 problem?
[03:06:03] <jbk> ssh and speed should never be used in the same sentence
[03:06:19] <moazamraja> jbk: i'm doing the test on 2 machines, same lan
[03:06:22] <moazamraja> both solaris 10
[03:06:23] <jbk> Gman: so not liking vegas?
[03:06:29] <ottom> Plaidrab: no, not required
[03:06:33] <Gman> jbk, not my favourite place in the world
[03:06:37] <moazamraja> 1 is E2900 and 1 is T2000
[03:06:49] <jbk> if you get a chance, there's a nice italian resturant downtown
[03:06:52] <moazamraja> the E2900 is getting close 30MB/s
[03:06:57] <jbk> i think it's above the golden nugget
[03:07:26] <Plaidrab> Excellent. Need to remove it but I've never learned the proper way to find out if a package has dependants other than to try and remove it.
[03:07:38] <jbk> i'm not a big gambler myself, and would prefer to see shows or do other things there..
[03:07:48] <Plaidrab> The Orleans is a nice quiet casino
[03:08:04] <Gman> jbk, yeah, there seem to be a good set of places to eat around - had a massive slab of meat last night :)
[03:08:05] <Triskelios> Gman: cool
[03:08:21] <Triskelios> (re: meeting Thomas Wagner)
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[03:08:43] <gisburn> moazamraja: I'd try multiple threads with multiple network connections for the T2000, otherwise it will suck
[03:09:08] <jbk> speaking of food, i'm hoping stuff will still be open by the time i get to SC on friday
[03:09:55] <cub> I have a T3 SAN connected to a v440 running solaris 10 u3 sparc.  The connection was there a while back, but today I couldn't see it anymore using "format" command.  I tried "devfsadm -Cv" as well as "boot -r" from the OK prompt but no help.  Can someone offer some tips?
[03:10:04] <jbk> well wait.. it's a college town
[03:10:06] <jbk> nevermind
[03:10:08] <Gman> jbk, should be
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[03:10:30] <e^ipi> heh
[03:10:47] <e^ipi> if you don't know when any given fast food joint closes, ask a student
[03:11:46] <jbk> well i should qualify that... it's a college town not in utah, so of course stuff will be open..
[03:12:08] <Gman> jbk, at the very least there'll be a bar serving bar food
[03:12:38] * jbk remembers at an old job having to fly into provo, ut
[03:12:43] <jbk> like 8pm on a sunday
[03:12:51] <jbk> and the only place open was a single mcdonalds
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[03:13:07] <Gman> that's provo though
[03:13:14] <Gman> *totally* different place :)
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[03:14:13] <moazamraja> gisburn: that doesn't make much sense unfortunately. We can't break all of our movies and audio assets into smaller files and then 'thread' them over the interfaces
[03:14:42] <jbk> have you tried ftp?
[03:15:17] <gisburn> moazamraja: wellm you can copy things in parallel
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[03:15:42] <jbk> also, i know with various s10 releases, there are some /etc/system settings that you need to set for the US-T1s
[03:18:06] <gisburn> and don't forget to increase the number of threads for the NFS server, the default sucks for a T1000/T2000 class machine.
[03:22:14] <Triskelios> ahhh, skype finally works for me with BrandZ doing Linux 2.6
[03:23:44] <paulf> brandz does 2.6 kernel now?
[03:23:51] <paulf> interesting
[03:24:18] <Gman> yeah
[03:24:38] <Gman> though it was breaking in newer builds according to gilles gravier
[03:25:38] <paulf> I'd only seen docs say 2.4 with RHEL3
[03:26:17] <Triskelios> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/todo/linux_2_6/
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[03:28:17] <paulf> Hmm, very interesting
[03:31:00] <Triskelios> I didn't notice until 10 minutes ago ;)
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[03:38:41] <diomac> i'm trying to install a sb1000 over a lan from a x64 solaris 10 box, i've set it up with the sparc 10 media etc.. when i boot the sb1000 it gets the arp packet, comes up with the SunOS Release 5.10 banner and then brings up the eri0 nic, but then hangs at "whoami: no domain name" any ideas how to fix this?
[03:39:52] <gisburn> !summon comay
[03:41:46] <dclarke> okay .. I'm having a brain problem .. time to ask someone else
[03:41:59] <dclarke> gisburn .. your a code warrior guru .. you would know
[03:42:12] <dclarke> if you don't mind me asking .. that is
[03:43:10] <gisburn> b r a i n w a s d a m a g e d . w a n t t o k i l l a l l h u m a n s w i t h f r o z e n m i l k
[03:43:14] <dclarke> there is a nice header /usr/include/fenv.h which has in it all manner of great info about floating point exception handling
[03:43:33] <dclarke> if you are willing to take a look that is
[03:43:42] <dclarke> in there .. there is a struct fex_info_t
[03:43:58] <Tempt> woaah
[03:44:08] <Tempt> flouro fitting just expired in a great cloud of sparks and smoke
[03:44:17] <dclarke> ? what ?
[03:44:22] * dclarke ignores that
[03:44:50] <dclarke> anyways .. inside that struct we get the actual operands that caused the floating point exception to occur
[03:44:55] <diomac> hmm Benr's site is offline
[03:45:05] <dclarke> they are just  fex_numeric_t   op1, op2, res;  /* operands and result */
[03:45:08] <gisburn> dclarke: why do you want a custom handler for that stuff ? I'd arcane magic which can be avoided completely
[03:45:26] <dclarke> well ... its a looong story
[03:45:26] <jbk> dclarke: libdisasm was integrated over the weekend (I was out of town), so I think I'm done w/ mercury
[03:45:36] <dclarke> jbk !  thanks man
[03:45:46] <dclarke> jbk .. it now runs Solaris 10 update 4
[03:45:56] <dclarke> I backed up everything
[03:46:03] <jbk> thank you.. made it a lot easier to test
[03:46:15] <dclarke> gisburn : anyways .. its a long story and somewhat academic
[03:46:19] <gisburn> dclarke: which kind of exception ?
[03:46:34] <dclarke> lost of precision
[03:46:36] <gisburn> dclarke: alignment error ?
[03:46:38] <gisburn> oh
[03:46:46] <dclarke> FEX_INEXACT
[03:46:50] <dclarke> to be specific
[03:47:01] <dclarke> and I get core dumps .. bah
[03:47:09] <dclarke> so .. I'm trapping the exception
[03:47:20] <dclarke> and looking at the operands .. it ain't make a lot of sense
[03:47:40] <dclarke> I decided that some trivial test data would help
[03:47:57] <dclarke> wnat to see that data ?
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[03:48:13] <gisburn> dclarke: do you provivide your own |fex| structure ?
[03:48:26] <dclarke> no .. I use the standard fex strucs
[03:48:34] <dclarke> nothing special
[03:48:50] <dclarke> but I'm running into a .. brain fart to be honest
[03:49:13] <dclarke> the operand types are type : fex_ldouble
[03:49:30] <dclarke> thus the number 9 looks like this : data : 0x40022000000000000000000000000000
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[03:49:39] <dclarke> printf: 9.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[03:49:44] <dclarke> type : fex_ldouble
[03:49:54] <gisburn> which compiler options do you use ? And is this SPARC or x86 ?
[03:49:56] <dclarke> near as I can tell .. that is correct
[03:49:59] <dclarke> Sparc
[03:50:18] <dclarke> the x86/i386 endian issues I'll solve some other day but for now .. I'm on Sparc
[03:50:49] <dclarke>  /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -errshort=full -xlibmopt -fround=nearest -xlic_lib=sunperf -xlibmil -xmemalign=8s -xO0 -Xa -fma=fused -fns=no -fsimple=0 -ftrap=\%all -g -m64 -Qy -xbuiltin=\%all -xcode=abs64 -xdebugformat=dwarf -o test test.c -lm
[03:51:07] <dclarke> sorry .. it was necessary
[03:51:23] <gisburn> dclarke: one thing to remeber is that SPARCv9 defines a long-double datatype and operations but the UltraSPARC hardware does not implement them and the stuff is trapped and then emulated.
[03:51:34] <dclarke> if left to its own devices I get a core dump real quick
[03:51:45] <dclarke> ahhhh
[03:51:58] <dclarke> good to know
[03:52:17] <dclarke> I always thought that the Sparc floating point units handled quad word floats natively
[03:52:20] <dclarke> guess I was wrong there
[03:52:37] <gisburn> dclarke: what does -fma=fused do ?
[03:52:51] <dclarke> one sec .. I'll get the Studio 12 page on that
[03:53:16] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/man/cc_1.html
[03:53:19] <gisburn> dclarke: and you may want to remove -xlibmil and -xbuiltin=%all for testing to avoid that the inline builtin versions of math functions bite you
[03:53:34] <gisburn> and -xlibmopt
[03:53:44] <dclarke> okay .. I'll strip that out
[03:53:53] <dclarke> also .. that cc manpage .. is the old one .. sorry
[03:53:56] <gisburn> and -xO0 is an unsupported interface
[03:54:07] <dclarke> I wanted no optimization
[03:54:10] <gisburn> yes
[03:54:17] <jbk> gisburn: fused instructions are add+multiply
[03:54:22] <dclarke> hrmm .. I'll strip that out too
[03:54:29] <dclarke> jbk : thats it
[03:54:42] <dclarke> jbk : I knew you were the assembler guru
[03:54:43] <gisburn> but AFAIK >= -xO1 is supported, -xO0 is... just there.
[03:55:02] <jbk> more the disassembler guru :)
[03:55:15] <gisburn> jbk: I know... I want to know the name of the "fma" option.
[03:55:20] <gisburn> long name.
[03:55:46] <dclarke> $ /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -V
[03:55:46] <dclarke> cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_sparc Patch 124867-01 2007/07/12
[03:55:46] <dclarke> usage: cc [ options] files.  Use 'cc -flags' for details
[03:55:57] <dclarke> woo hoo .. the latest compiler and patches there :-)
[03:56:06] <dclarke>  /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -errshort=full -fround=nearest -xlic_lib=sunperf -xmemalign=8s -xO1 -Xa -fma=fused -fns=no -fsimple=0 -ftrap=\%all -g -m64 -Qy -xcode=abs64 -xdebugformat=dwarf -o test test.c -lm
[03:56:13] <dclarke> there .. that solves that
[03:56:26] <dclarke> let me go look up -fma
[03:56:42] <jbk> gisburn: i don't think there is one, it's just to turn on floating multiply add instructions
[03:56:55] <jbk> you can sed it to 'fused' or 'none'
[03:57:06] <dclarke> http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/documentation/product/compiler.jsp
[03:57:49] <jbk> there are also unfused instructions, but those appear to only be supported by fujitsu and are pretty much undocumented
[03:58:10] 
[03:58:11] <dclarke> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5265/bjapp?a=view
[03:58:43] <dclarke> B.2.21 -fma[={none|fused}]
[03:59:01] <dclarke> (SPARC) Enables automatic generation of floating-point, fused, multiply-add instructions. -fma=none disables generation of these instructions. -fma=fused allows the compiler to attempt to find opportunities to improve the performance of the code by using floating-point, fused, multiply-add instructions.
[03:59:11] <dclarke> there ya go .. that is the whole thing .. essentially
[03:59:57] <dclarke> I think one needs to be a bit of a floating point lover to do this sort of stuff
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[04:01:27] <dclarke> see http://rafb.net/p/0ncrba93.html
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[04:01:29] <gisburn> dclarke: does the code work now ?
[04:01:34] <dclarke> nope
[04:01:44] <dclarke> "test.c", line 99: warning: assignment type mismatch:
[04:01:54] <dclarke> ye haw .. getting closer to the real issue
[04:02:24] <dclarke> let me show you the thing I'm playing with .. I have a handler that just dumps the data out and then commits suicide
[04:03:10] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/b9eWwR43.html
[04:03:33] <dclarke> I receive fex_info_t *info when the TRAP occurs
[04:03:46] <dclarke> see numeric_dat = &info->op1; ??
[04:04:06] <gisburn> yes
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[04:04:17] <dclarke> *that* thing is the type mismatch
[04:04:23] <dclarke> I'm looking at it
[04:04:24] <gisburn> umpf
[04:04:33] <gisburn> dclarke: are you coming to the conference ?
[04:04:34] <dclarke> struct fex_numeric_t *numeric_dat;
[04:04:38] <dclarke> no .. can't
[04:04:43] <gisburn> groan
[04:04:44] <dclarke> had to cancel :-(
[04:04:50] <dclarke> damn business up here
[04:04:53] <gisburn> we have a developer box for such stuff
[04:05:02] <dclarke> pays the bills and the idea was to do server room work this weekend past
[04:05:11] <dclarke> but the project slipped forwards .. what a surprise
[04:05:25] <gisburn> groan
[04:05:34] <dclarke> so now this weekend coming is full of round the clock work for me
[04:05:45] <dclarke> which is very good $$ but gets in the way ya know ?
[04:05:48] <dclarke> :-(
[04:06:23] <dclarke> so .. off the top of your head .. whats the problem with numeric_dat = &info->op1;
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[04:06:32] <dclarke> if you can see one
[04:07:15] <dclarke> because I'm staring at it .. and scrathing my chin
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[04:08:22] <dclarke> as I see it .. inside the  fex_info_t struct I have the operands op1 and op2 as fex_numeric_t structs themselves
[04:08:25] <gisburn> dclarke: first theory: alignment issue. second theory: weired problem, use assembler and look at the generated code
[04:08:28] <dclarke> so ... that should be correct
[04:08:40] <dclarke> gisburn : I was afraid of that
[04:08:47] <gisburn> why afraid ?
[04:08:57] <gisburn> SPARC assembler is easy.
[04:08:59] <dclarke> that I had to weave through Sparc assembly
[04:09:07] <dclarke> I know x86 better
[04:09:11] <dclarke> oh well ...
[04:09:17] <dclarke> this is what needs to be done ..
[04:09:20] <dclarke> :-P
[04:09:46] <dclarke> as for alignment issue .. I'd get a SIGFAULT or something
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[04:09:55] <dclarke> what I get is a FPE err
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[04:10:03] <dclarke> loss of precision ..
[04:10:12] <dclarke> anyways .. its an interesting problem
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[04:10:33] <gisburn> dclarke: does it happen only for |long double| or fo |float|, too ?
[04:10:46] <gisburn> s/fo /for /
[04:11:01] <dclarke> believe it or not .. I trued to back down to -m32 and then use double everywhere as opposed to long double
[04:11:04] <dclarke> tried
[04:11:12] <dclarke> and whammo .. same thing
[04:11:23] <ottom> dclarke: fex_numeric_t is a typedef'ed name, not a struct name.  Try just 'fex_numeric_t *numeric_dat;', without 'struct' at the front.
[04:11:27] <dclarke> so my issue is in front of me .. I just have to apply coffee and brain
[04:11:34] <gisburn> what about |float| ?
[04:11:43] <dclarke> oh .. didin't try just float
[04:12:05] <dclarke> ah haaaa
[04:12:07] <dclarke> ottom !
[04:12:11] <dclarke> you nailed it
[04:12:28] <dclarke> typedef struct { foo } fex_numeric_t;
[04:12:53] <dclarke> that is the issue here ...
[04:13:06] <dclarke> and the operands have a union in the middle of them also .. lots of fun
[04:13:09] <dclarke> one sec ...
[04:13:53] <dclarke>  fex_numeric_t *numeric_dat;
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[04:13:57] <quittt> hello
[04:14:06] <quittt> I'm a common user
[04:14:16] <quittt> which OS should I get? OpenSolaris or Solaris 10?
[04:14:25] <dclarke> ottom! I love you
[04:14:44] <dclarke> at the very least .. admin
[04:14:49] <dclarke> admire
[04:14:51] <ottom> dclarke: thanks, but I'm not that way inclined :-)
[04:14:56] <dclarke> gisburn .. that was the issue
[04:15:01] <dclarke> me neither
[04:15:30] <dclarke> yep .. compiles clean
[04:15:33] <dclarke> runs !
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[04:15:54] <dclarke> traps and dumps operands and the operation that was doing the bad stuff
[04:16:29] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/yacyDZ26.html
[04:16:56] <dclarke> except .. I don't think that the operands are supposed to be the same
[04:17:05] <dclarke> hrmmm
[04:17:26] <dclarke> ottom : thanks .. I was losing my mind trying to see where my mistake was
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[04:18:30] <dclarke> now then .. can I ask the next silly thing ?  :-)
[04:18:36] <ottom> dclarke: I'm happy to help.  Been there many times myself.
[04:18:36] * dclarke presses his luck
[04:19:07] <dclarke> I'm trying to dump out the HEX from a long double data type and I get the weirdest thing
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[04:20:15] <dclarke> this is supposed to be pi  data : 0x4000921fb54442d18000000000000000
[04:20:27] <dclarke> which is nearly perfect
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[04:20:47] <dclarke> except the correct value is 400921fb54442d18
[04:21:00] <dclarke> note the extra 0 after the leading 4 in my data
[04:22:25] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/6Kdsaa43.html
[04:25:17] <dclarke> to verify that I was reading the data correctly from the operands .. I verify with pi and sure enough .. for a double the data is correct Some test data where we use pi :
[04:25:18] <dclarke>      data : 0x400921fb54442d18
[04:25:36] <dclarke> when I use long double .. I get an extra 0 after the 4
[04:25:41] <dclarke> real strange that
[04:25:51] * dclarke this is what Dennis does
[04:27:25] <dclarke> yep .. I switch to long double .. and I get data : 0x4000921fb54442d18000000000000000
[04:27:28] <ottom> are you sure that the extra 0 isn't supposed to be there?  quad-precision on sparc has 15 bits of exponent, not the 11 bits that a double has (it sez here in my sparc arch manual)
[04:27:45] <dclarke> I was just thinking that the mantissa is over 4 bits
[04:28:02] <dclarke> and that was what I found to be really catching me offguard
[04:28:17] <dclarke> really .. I should have this all written out for long double
[04:28:28] <dclarke> but I have the IEEE754 format here for double
[04:28:28] <jbk> dclarke: what are you trying to do?
[04:28:36] <dclarke> jbk : well ...
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[04:28:53] <dclarke> jbk : this is just test code that I am writing to trap a floating point exception
[04:29:06] <dclarke> if the test work then I can insert the trap routine into some production code
[04:29:25] <dclarke> essnetially I am trying to find a sneaking loss of precision
[04:29:43] <dclarke> and this goes into financial analysis software
[04:30:04] <dclarke> I have a long history with insurance stuff and this sort of work appears from time to time
[04:30:48] <dclarke> truth is .. its just a sub-routine of a larger work
[04:30:56] <dclarke> which took me years to write
[04:31:27] <dclarke> ottom : strange thing .. where are the rest of the bits of mantissa ?
[04:31:40] <dclarke> if the operand data was data : 0x4000921fb54442d18000000000000000
[04:31:46] <dclarke> that is a LOT of zeros
[04:32:42] <dclarke> what I should do is use 4 * atan(1)
[04:32:56] <dclarke> if I can look up the long double atan function ..
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[04:33:05] <dclarke> its in the libsunmath area .. somewhere
[04:33:31] <dclarke> long double atanl(long double x);
[04:33:36] <dclarke> that will do
[04:35:41] <dclarke> Arithmetic Exception - core dumped
[04:35:42] <dclarke> barf
[04:36:06] <ottom> yeah, those zeroes seems bogus.  Maybe the preprocessor truncated it?  Do you need a qualifer on the number to tell the preprocessor that it's not just a float?
[04:36:40] <dclarke> test_var_ld = (long double)3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751;
[04:36:47] <dclarke> that should give me pi
[04:36:52] <dclarke> lots of digits of it
[04:37:25] <dclarke> 0x4000921fb54442d18000000000000000  is the same precision as a double
[04:37:45] <dclarke> Arithmetic Exception - core dumped
[04:37:51] <dclarke> gee .. this is improvement
[04:38:40] <dclarke> I see dbx in my future I think
[04:39:29] <dclarke> everything compiles clean here however and now I just question if I am able to "see" the operands correctly
[04:39:39] <ottom> right, but I think you need 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751L with an 'L' on the end
[04:40:47] <ottom> otherwise the compiler will interpret it as a double (causing truncation) then cast it up to 'long double' and asign it to test_var_ld
[04:41:07] <dclarke> yep .. that is the issue
[04:41:13] <dclarke> data : 0x4000921fb54442d18469898cc51701b8
[04:41:26] <dclarke> ottom : you are two for two
[04:41:47] <ottom> then I should quit while I'm ahead
[04:41:47] <dclarke> ottom : now I wonder if I can figure out why I am getting the core dump
[04:41:55] <dclarke> nah .. you are doing great
[04:42:15] <dclarke> I think I need more coffee and/or sleep but either way I'm making progress here
[04:43:01] <ottom> can you see where the exception is happening, from 'pstack' on the core file?
[04:43:16] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/f3w7U964.html
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[04:43:57] <dclarke> sorry .. I deleted the core file
[04:44:04] <dclarke> let me see if it will core dump again
[04:44:13] <dclarke> its not exactly hit and miss
[04:44:16] <dclarke> :-)
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[04:45:17] <dclarke> Some test data where we use pi :
[04:45:17] <dclarke> Arithmetic Exception - core dumped
[04:45:21] <dclarke> okay .. now I can look
[04:46:15] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/IuTzXu44.html
[04:46:54] <dclarke> if I take atanl out of there .. I'll bet everythign runs just fine
[04:50:05] <dclarke> sure enough .. remove the atanl crud ( which was just my way of getting pi anyways ) and it runs fine
[04:50:35] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/v4kVsO98.html
[04:52:43] <g4lt-mordant> silly wabbit
[04:54:54] <dclarke> ?
[04:56:02] <g4lt-mordant> what did you want me to say?  "you fool, everyone knows that the only to get pi from an atanl breaks things"?
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[04:56:33] <dclarke> :-P
[04:57:04] <dclarke> Some test data where we use pi :
[04:57:05] <dclarke>      data : 0x4000921fb54442d18469898cc51701b8
[04:57:05] <dclarke> Arithmetic Exception - core dumped
[04:57:17] * dclarke notes to self .. never use atanl
[04:58:22] <ottom> what are you asking it to do?  '4 * atanl(1.0L)' ?
[04:58:57] <dclarke> ( ( long double ) 4.0L ) *  atanl ( ( long double ) 1.0L )
[04:59:01] <dclarke> to be pedantic
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[04:59:45] <dclarke> one would think that should be fine
[04:59:56] <ottom> yeah, looks fine to me
[05:00:14] <dclarke> you know what ?  I think I will create the assembly
[05:00:16] <dclarke> just for kicks
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[05:23:06] <dclarke> okay .. who's still here ?  ottom ?
[05:23:38] <dclarke> anyone with a Solaris 10 Update 4 machine and a Studio 12 compiler handy ?
[05:23:58] <e^ipi> I've a nevada + studio12 machine handy
[05:24:23] <dclarke> void main () { long double foo;
[05:24:23] <dclarke> foo = ( ( long double ) 4.0L ) *  atanl ( ( long double ) 1.0L ) ;
[05:24:23] <dclarke> printf ( "\n%.40Le\n", foo ); }
[05:24:29] <dclarke> compile that puppy
[05:24:36] <dclarke> #include <stdio.h>
[05:24:37] <dclarke> #include <sunmath.h>
[05:24:50] <dclarke> besure to include stdio.h and sunmath.h
[05:25:05] <ottom> still here, but no SPARC Studio 12 handy
[05:25:08] <dclarke> to be really safe use int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { }
[05:25:29] <dclarke> I have snv_69 here on x86 and snv_70b on Sparc
[05:25:43] <dclarke> I am flabberghasted that I get a core dump .. every time I use atanl
[05:26:13] <Triskelios> dclarke: 3.1415926535897932385128089594061862044327e+00
[05:26:14] <Triskelios>  on snv_73
[05:26:17] <Triskelios> x86
[05:26:17] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/dAI7Jf63.html
[05:26:25] <dclarke> Triskelios: really ?!?
[05:26:54] <Triskelios> [trisk@shamisen]% cc -V                                                       ~
[05:26:54] <Triskelios> cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 Build47_dlight 2007/05/22
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[05:27:28] <e^ipi> can't find atanl
[05:27:32] <Triskelios> e^ipi: -lm
[05:27:47] <e^ipi> oh, yeah
[05:27:49] <e^ipi> there we go
[05:27:59] <e^ipi> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795027974791e+00
[05:28:13] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/THdJK691.html
[05:28:28] <dclarke> okay .. its the IEEE754 trap that is the issue
[05:28:30] <dclarke> one sec
[05:28:35] * Triskelios likes the slightly different results
[05:28:44] <dclarke> eh ?
[05:28:47] <dclarke> oh .. yeah
[05:28:54] <dclarke> those digits are out of precision anyways
[05:29:04] <e^ipi> cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_sparc 2007/05/03
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[05:29:10] <Bartman007> Triskelios: one of you is using a very small value of pi :-P
[05:29:13] <e^ipi> $ uname -a
[05:29:14] <e^ipi> SunOS abaddon 5.11 snv_72 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000
[05:29:16] <dclarke> cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_sparc Patch 124867-01 2007/07/12
[05:30:27] <ottom> dclarke: sorry, I gotta go.  Good luck with this.  (You know it's going to be something silly, right?)
[05:30:32] <Triskelios> dclarke: you get it on x86, too?
[05:30:46] <dclarke> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795027974791e+00
[05:30:51] <dclarke> nope .. on x86 it works
[05:31:06] <dclarke> weird ...
[05:31:07] <Triskelios> dclarke: ah, ok. so not too surprising
[05:31:13] <dclarke> let me scratch my chin a bit
[05:31:26] <dclarke> this is .. educational however
[05:31:35] <dclarke> oh .. befor you go
[05:31:38] <dclarke> check this out
[05:31:57] <dclarke> $ uname -a
[05:31:58] <dclarke> SunOS aequitas 5.11 snv_69 i86pc i386 i86pc
[05:32:03] <dclarke> $ psrinfo -pv
[05:32:03] <dclarke> The physical processor has 1 virtual processor (0)
[05:32:03] <dclarke>   x86 (CentaurHauls 6A9 family 6 model 10 step 9 clock 1200 MHz)
[05:32:03] <dclarke>         VIA Esther processor 1200MHz
[05:32:14] <dclarke> not exactly every day hardware there
[05:32:30] <Triskelios> nice
[05:32:35] <ottom> wow
[05:32:46] <dclarke> with a little work .. I'll have snv in a palmpilot
[05:32:53] <Bartman007> dclarke: m12000 ?
[05:33:03] <dclarke> or at least a hellish small embedded device
[05:33:15] <ottom> how much memory in that thing?
[05:33:19] <dclarke> what is the m12000 ?
[05:33:33] <Triskelios> dclarke: isainfo -v ?
[05:33:44] <Bartman007> dclarke: VIA EPIA II M12000  (one of their miniITX boards)
[05:33:47] <dclarke> $ isainfo -v
[05:33:48] <dclarke> 32-bit i386 applications
[05:33:48] <dclarke>         ahf sse2 sse fxsr mmx cmov sep cx8 tsc fpu
[05:34:13] <dclarke> Bartman007 : this is a VIA motherboard .. micro-ITX and I'm working with a picoITX also
[05:34:28] <dclarke> if I can get the picoITX going well .. I'll be real happy
[05:34:43] <dclarke> I'll wrap it in 18 gauge steel and let people buy it at near cost
[05:34:46] <Bartman007> dclarke: probably miniITX, not micro :-P
[05:34:46] <dclarke> just for fun
[05:34:56] <dclarke> oh .. its real small
[05:35:06] <dclarke> but its on my desk here and runs great
[05:35:13] <dclarke> has a Seagate laptop disk in it
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[05:35:19] <dclarke> four USB ports
[05:35:24] <dclarke> dual gig-E
[05:35:31] <dclarke> its a neat little experiment
[05:35:40] <dclarke> and runs snv solid as a rock
[05:36:01] <dclarke> $ uname -a
[05:36:02] <dclarke> SunOS thebe 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc
[05:36:02] <dclarke> $ psrinfo -pv
[05:36:02] <dclarke> The physical processor has 1 virtual processor (0)
[05:36:02] <dclarke>   x86 (CentaurHauls family 6 model 10 step 9 clock 1000 MHz)
[05:36:02] <dclarke>         VIA Esther processor 1000MHz
[05:36:09] <dclarke> runs Solaris 10 Update 4 fine also
[05:36:22] <Bartman007> dclarke: got the model number of the board with dual gige?
[05:36:35] <dclarke> one sec .. I'll get a flashlight and read it for you
[05:36:48] <dclarke> I have too many of them around to know which is which anymore
[05:37:17] <dclarke> I can tell you this .. it is RTL8110SC chips and the rge driver works fine
[05:37:19] <Bartman007> I haven't paid attention to the miniITX arena for a while now, didn't know VIA offered dual gige themselves.
[05:37:28] <dclarke> no need for that gani stuff anymore
[05:37:48] <dclarke> hrmm ..
[05:37:59] <dclarke> motherboard number is here .. somewhere
[05:38:03] <Bartman007> I'm using the rge driver on my home server, works rather nice.
[05:38:09] <dclarke> I better be carefull or I'll reset this
[05:38:16] <Triskelios> prtdiag doesn't happen to say anthing about the board does it?
[05:38:39] <dclarke> $ prtdiag -v
[05:38:39] <dclarke> System Configuration:
[05:38:39] <dclarke> BIOS Configuration: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 05/04/2007
[05:38:44] <dclarke> VIA C7                           Socket 370
[05:38:49] <dclarke> nope
[05:39:04] <dclarke> VIA Eden                         Socket 370
[05:39:11] <dclarke> I have two of them going
[05:39:21] <dclarke> one is VIA Eden and the nother VIA C7
[05:39:30] <dclarke> either way .. they work great
[05:39:39] <dclarke> but .. back to the task at hand
[05:39:42] <dclarke> the motherboard number
[05:43:10] <dclarke> this would be easier if I just looked up the invoice
[05:43:33] <dclarke> I can't see the model number .. not without maybe resetting my machine accidentally ..
[05:43:42] <dclarke> and I don't want to go poking around
[05:44:00] <dclarke> sooo .. drop me an email at dclarke at blastwave dot org and I'll ge that to you
[05:44:05] <dclarke> if you really want it
[05:44:50] <dclarke> ummm ..
[05:44:51] <dclarke> hey
[05:45:00] <dclarke> the results from atanl are wrong
[05:45:12] <Bartman007> dclarke: not that big of a deal, didn't mean to side track you.
[05:45:13] <dclarke> $ ./atanl
[05:45:13] <dclarke> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795027974791e+00
[05:45:30] <dclarke> Bartman007: no prob .. its a favorite topic of mine
[05:45:54] <Bartman007> VIA left a bad taste in my mouth with the CN400 chipset.
[05:46:29] <Bartman007> the hardware features MPEG2/4 accel, but actually being able to use it is a different story.
[05:46:53] <dclarke> the C7 promises hardware based encryption and random number generation
[05:47:02] <dclarke> being able to use it .. is a different story
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[05:47:19] <Bartman007> I like the little boards in general, but a bit annoying seeing as video hw accel was one of the primary motives for purchasing the board.
[05:47:34] <Bartman007> dclarke: padlock works great on my C3 boards.
[05:47:43] <Bartman007> (in Linux, and *BSD)
[05:48:00] <dclarke> I was going to ask
[05:48:13] <dclarke> because with Solaris I think I need to get into driver level work
[05:48:49] <dclarke> okay .. a funny thing just happened here
[05:49:08] <dclarke> not funny ha ha .. but funny weird
[05:50:57] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/DX0n0W25.nln.html
[05:52:02] <dclarke> the lsat result is more accurate
[05:52:08] <dclarke> by a long stretch
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[05:55:39] <dclarke> I better just go back to my IEEE traps
[05:55:50] <dclarke> thats IEEE754
[05:55:57] <dclarke> and its getting late
[05:56:08] <dclarke> Bartman007: Mr. Smaalders ?
[05:56:41] <Bartman007> dclarke: hehe, nope.
[05:57:08] <dclarke> okay .. I thought you may be the Smaalders man
[05:57:19] <Bartman007> though I find it quite amusing that google helped my understand what you meant in under 30 seconds :-)
[05:57:32] <dclarke> sometimes google works
[05:57:51] <dclarke> and .. I was surprised to see that I am the top Dennis Clarke in the world
[05:58:10] <dclarke> gee .. finally shaking off that wretched Scientoligist weirdo
[05:58:45] <dclarke> oh crap .. I fell to number 2
[05:58:48] <dclarke> oh well
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[06:38:10] <sleepcat> I can't seem to get my kernel parameters right for oracle 10g
[06:39:12] <sleepcat> Checking for shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295; found no entry.	Failed <<<<
[06:39:23] <sleepcat> what does that mean?
[06:49:04] <sleepcat> ah I found the source of my troubles!
[06:49:16] <sleepcat> stupid solaris 10
[06:49:35] <sleepcat> they don't use /etc/system anymore yet oracle still looks for it
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[06:50:30] <e^ipi> how's that solaris' fault?
[06:50:38] <e^ipi> seems more like oracles
[06:51:33] <sleepcat> stupid oracle
[06:51:52] <sleepcat> you'd think with the billions they make they could make sure their stuff installs
[06:55:05] <dlg> money suits dont clean themselves
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[06:57:31] <sleepcat> money suits don't clean themselves?  what does that mean?
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[06:58:42] <john--__> so this is an incredibly dumb question, but im a newbie. where is smb.conf under sxde?
[06:59:50] <jbk> try /etc/sfw
[06:59:53] <sleepcat> find / -name smb.conf
[07:00:08] <jbk> i beleive there is a sample smb.conf (smb.conf-example) you can use to create your own
[07:00:21] <jbk> i don't think one is supplied by default
[07:00:43] <john--__> ah there it is
[07:00:48] <john--__> this layout is totally foreign to me
[07:00:53] <john--__> what is sfw supposed to mean?
[07:01:17] <jbk> i believe smf will not start samba unless smb.conf is there
[07:01:49] <sleepcat> john: it is a better layout
[07:02:00] <sleepcat> it takes a while getting used to it
[07:02:11] <john--__> does swf mean something?
[07:02:14] <sleepcat> especially if you are coming from linux like I did
[07:02:17] <sleepcat> yes
[07:02:29] <john--__> ah
[07:02:32] <sleepcat> originally it was supposed to be csw but blastwave stole it
[07:02:32] <john--__> what does it stand for?
[07:02:48] <sleepcat> something about community software
[07:02:50] <jbk> 'sun freeware' i think
[07:02:51] <john--__> oh
[07:02:58] <jbk> but don't quote me on that :)
[07:03:04] <john--__> so where do they store things like httpd, smbd, etc?
[07:03:21] <sleepcat> /opt/sfw/bin
[07:03:34] <john--__> so they consider named part of the OS
[07:03:36] <jbk> well apache is a bit of a special case
[07:03:41] <john--__> since thats in /usr/sbin
[07:03:42] <sleepcat> if you downloaded it from sunfreeware
[07:03:44] <jbk> (not sure why)
[07:04:23] <john--__> ah so i found samba
[07:04:30] <john--__> its in /usr/sfw/sbin
[07:04:46] <john--__> solaris seems to be different even from freebsd
[07:04:51] <john--__> i expected solaris to be more like freebsd than linux
[07:05:52] <e^ipi> yes... that would be because solaris is a SysV operating system, BSD is a BSD operating system
[07:06:14] <e^ipi> regardless, is there a reason you think you need samba?
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[07:06:27] <e^ipi> NFS is far superior
[07:06:32] <john--__> to share files with a windows machine i do :)
[07:06:39] <e^ipi> false.
[07:06:43] <e^ipi> SFU
[07:06:52] <john--__> i do not believe sfu works with vista
[07:07:35] <john--__> at home nfs would be ok, but having a bunch of PCs i dont control running an NFS client might not be such a good idea
[07:08:06] <e^ipi> it appears SFU works with vista as well actually
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[07:08:19] <sleepcat> the transition from a bsd to system V nearly killed sun
[07:08:20] <john--__> oh really. it must have been something old i read
[07:08:51] <john--__> so is svcadm similar to the command 'service' on RHEL?
[07:10:33] <jbk> somewhat
[07:11:16] <john--__> so what is the closet thing to iptables?
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[07:14:03] <john--__> ah...much to learn
[07:14:14] <john--__> on the upside the 907 release works so much better in vmware than 507
[07:14:29] <john--__> makes using solaris 10 unpleasant by comparison
[07:14:48] <jbk> you should try nevada :)
[07:14:55] <john--__> but, if we ever ran solaris in production i suppose we'd have to use solaris 10
[07:14:58] <jbk> or rather
[07:14:59] <john--__> im running nevada right now
[07:15:00] <jbk> sxce
[07:15:05] <john--__> im running sxde
[07:15:31] <jbk> 907 sounds more like a solaris 10 update (though I guess that'd be 8/07)
[07:15:35] <john--__> is sxde the closest thing to an "official" solaris 11?
[07:15:38] <john--__> its nevada 9/07
[07:15:55] <jbk> err wait, they use the same moniker for sxde don't they?
[07:15:56] <jbk> grr
[07:16:11] <john--__> i think 9/07 came out within the last few days, because i was using sxde 5/07 and having trouble with it last week
[07:16:17] <john--__> maybe i just wasnt paying attention
[07:16:20] <jbk> ok..
[07:16:21] <jbk> yeah
[07:16:39] <john--__> i dont think 5/07 actually came out in may
[07:16:42] <jbk> there's a bit of confusion due to various naming conventions
[07:17:08] <jbk> sxde i believe is based off sxce releases (which are more frequent)
[07:17:17] <john--__> what does sxce stand for?
[07:17:23] <jbk> but are named for the nevada build
[07:17:28] <jbk> community edition
[07:17:35] <jbk> solaris express community edition
[07:17:38] <john--__> oh
[07:17:42] <john--__> so which one is actually nevada?
[07:17:46] <john--__> sxce or sxde?
[07:17:53] <john--__> or are both nevada
[07:18:03] <jbk> both is probably the least confusing answer
[07:18:15] <jbk> i think sxde == sxce release that's been tested a bit more, then given a new name
[07:18:33] <john--__> so my experience is that normally a solaris install is pretty bare bones, but sxde basically gives me everything and the kitchen sink
[07:18:40] <john--__> does sxce also give you a ton of tools?
[07:18:48] <john--__> or is the dev edition special?
[07:19:27] <jbk> i don't know if anything extra is bundled with sxde or not
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[07:19:53] <john--__> sxde  installs with basically one click a full desktop environment
[07:20:04] <john--__> with like every app i can think of
[07:20:36] <zassyu> is there an easy way to install that without the dvd image? i saw instructions for an NFS install but that looked to be a pain
[07:20:48] <zassyu> tried belenix and that won't boot either ;p
[07:21:13] <john--__> this stuff is very confusing
[07:21:26] <john--__> trying to figure out which version has what
[07:22:05] <jbk> it takes a bit of work
[07:22:19] <e^ipi> SXDE is just an old version of SXCE
[07:22:27] <john--__> ah
[07:22:38] <john--__> and SXCE is trying to eventually become solaris 11?
[07:22:40] <jbk> but the versioning looks different
[07:23:03] <e^ipi> john--__: unless marketing changes the name again
[07:23:04] <jbk> sxde uses month/year, sxce uses the nevada build#
[07:23:15] <jbk> assuming sun marketing decides there will be a solaris 11 :)
[07:23:18] <john--__> so if i wanted to run a production service, at this point is solaris 10 still the only "real" option?
[07:23:32] <e^ipi> depends who you are
[07:23:33] <john--__> it makes me nervous that they update this every few months. doesnt make me feel like i could run a server on it
[07:23:40] <e^ipi> joyent uses nevada in production
[07:23:45] <jbk> well if you want the traditional solaris support
[07:23:46] <john--__> whats joyent?
[07:24:05] <e^ipi> a company
[07:24:31] <e^ipi> they do colo among other things IIRC
[07:24:33] <john--__> ah
[07:24:57] <john--__> so if i wanted to install without the gui and open office and firefox and stuff
[07:25:00] <jbk> if you don't care about getting support from sun, nevada works just fine
[07:25:01] <john--__> how would i do that?
[07:25:08] <john--__> i dont recall seeing a custom software option
[07:25:23] <jbk> you'd have to remove the packages after the fact at the moment
[07:25:30] <e^ipi> you can pick one of the metapackages and customize it
[07:25:31] <jbk> there are projects underway to address that
[07:25:34] <e^ipi> unless you use the new stupid installe
[07:25:37] <e^ipi> installer*
[07:25:49] <e^ipi> in which case you're screwed, that crap's gotta die, i swear
[07:26:18] <john--__> the new installer looked very modern and pretty
[07:26:23] <john--__> but it didnt give me many choices
[07:26:37] <e^ipi> oh, it looks all modern and pretty
[07:26:44] <e^ipi> it's actually fscking retarded
[07:27:02] <e^ipi> and worse than the ugly old installer that worked
[07:27:09] <john--__> what does it do badly?
[07:27:17] <e^ipi> install solaris
[07:27:26] <HCoyote> <snerk>
[07:27:34] <john--__> it got it up and running and looking pretty for me as a newbie
[07:27:39] <jbk> e^ipi: i think that's being a bit unfair
[07:27:42] <john--__> i liked that it let me add a user during the install process
[07:27:51] <john--__> under the old way, it didnt let me do that
[07:27:52] <jbk> yes it has limited functionality at the moment
[07:27:59] <john--__> so i had to log on as root to add a user
[07:28:04] <e^ipi> yes, quite the difficult task to do after the fact...
[07:28:19] <jbk> but no one has claimed it's anywhere near complete
[07:28:24] <john--__> well roots home dir was /, so when i logged in it crapped up everything
[07:28:32] <john--__> so its nice to neve rlog into the gui as root
[07:28:32] <e^ipi> better remove the ability to properly lay out slices so people don't have to type "useradd"
[07:29:36] <e^ipi> you can also log in on console
[07:30:07] <e^ipi> the installer could go for a rewrite, to be sure
[07:30:08] <john--__> ah
[07:30:13] <e^ipi> but the new one they gave us is worse than the old one
[07:30:27] <john--__> marketing people were probably involved
[07:30:39] <john--__> well, i better go to bed...this stuff is interesting. 'night
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[07:30:43] <e^ipi> no, i think GNOME people were involved
[07:30:57] <e^ipi> GNOME is the "that feature was removed" desktop environment
[07:31:32] <jbk> e^ipi: well you're free to write your own installer instead of constantly belittling the work of others
[07:32:34] <e^ipi> it's on the list
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[07:41:54] <e^ipi> I'm not saying the installer can't become good, but they released it at a horrible, horrible point
[07:42:58] <WickedWicky> hey guys
[07:43:17] <e^ipi> what up
[07:43:23] <WickedWicky> me, since 10 mins
[07:43:26] <WickedWicky> need coffee
[07:43:27] <WickedWicky> brb
[07:43:38] <e^ipi> coffee's always good
[07:43:47] <WickedWicky> did the roasting work out?
[07:44:25] <e^ipi> yeah, worked great
[07:44:32] <e^ipi> melted the lid to my popcorn popper though
[07:44:45] <Tempt> haha
[07:44:48] <Tempt> Not surprising
[07:45:54] * steleman has come to the sad conclusion that the dcam1394 driver doesnt work right
[07:47:00] <e^ipi> how's it broken?
[07:47:10] <steleman> well for one it doesn't attach
[07:47:35] <WickedWicky> hey Tempt :)
[07:47:36] <steleman> and because it doesn't attach, isochronous transfers don't happen
[07:47:47] <WickedWicky> e^ipi: I am sure it's worth the good tasting coffee ;-)
[07:48:54] <e^ipi> i had assumed it was going to happen when I found the popper
[07:51:23] <diomac> anyone know whats up with benr's site?
[07:51:54] <e^ipi> steleman: any idea where it fails?
[07:52:21] <steleman> if ((softc_p = ddi_get_soft_state(dcam_state_p, instance)) == NULL) {
[07:52:27] <steleman> ddi_soft_state_free(dcam_state_p, instance);
[07:52:32] <steleman> return (DDI_FAILURE);
[07:54:04] <e^ipi> think you can fix it?
[07:54:21] <steleman> that's one of the things i'll be doing :-)
[07:54:31] <steleman> i have Kino all ported
[07:54:48] <steleman> async mode *kind of* works
[07:54:58] <steleman> meaning i can treat my camcorder as a vcr
[07:55:15] <e^ipi> neato
[07:55:15] <steleman> i can do play stop ff rewind
[07:55:17] <steleman> but
[07:55:28] <steleman> for transfering video you need isochronous mode
[07:56:12] <steleman> :-(
[07:56:21] <steleman> i was *so* looking forward to posting screenies of Kino on Solaris
[07:57:10] <e^ipi> eww, gtk
[07:57:18] <steleman> yeah i know
[07:57:25] <steleman> but KDE's video thingy isn't ready yet
[07:57:53] <steleman> and it will still use libraw1394 && friends and the dcam1394/hci1394/av1394 drivers
[07:58:51] <e^ipi> well, garrett was going to break away from the summit on saturday for precisely that reason (drivers ), maybe talk to him about poking around at dcam1394
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[07:59:01] <steleman> that's what i plan on doing
[08:00:03] <steleman> i even considered bringing my camcorder to MPK but then i decided against it because i can't take it onboard and i don't want that piece of equipment damaged since it's a nice camcorder
[08:00:18] <Berny_> fedex it
[08:00:26] <steleman> same risk
[08:00:35] <e^ipi> why can't you take it as carryon?
[08:00:39] <steleman> not allowed
[08:00:42] <steleman> the case is too big
[08:00:45] <Berny_> fedex offers insurance :-)
[08:00:49] <e^ipi> oh, that'd do it
[08:01:07] <e^ipi> anything you can use as a hardware device in lieu of it ?
[08:01:12] <Berny_> christ what camcorder do you have if the case is too big?
[08:01:14] <steleman> yeah, but i would have to insure it for USD $10000, and if it gets damaged and i ask for the insurance, FedEx will fight it
[08:01:26] <steleman> Sony XVR-V1U + 3 lenses
[08:02:05] <Berny_> ok
[08:02:10] <e^ipi> or can you simulate it in software?
[08:02:12] <steleman> e^ipi: hopefully someone will bring a camcorder
[08:02:18] <steleman> ill bring my firewire cable :-P
[08:02:20] <Berny_> .oO(why on earth do you have such a beast?)
[08:02:34] <steleman> Berny_: i shoot HD Video as a hobby
[08:02:35] <Berny_> .oO(i wouldn't take it out f the shelf though...)
[08:02:47] <steleman> it is a beast
[08:02:56] <steleman> it can shoot 1080p at 60FPS
[08:03:29] <Berny_> nerdy :-)
[08:03:38] <steleman> yeah but cool :-)
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[08:04:23] <Berny_> indeed
[08:04:45] <Berny_> .oO(which studio did you lift that thing off? ;-))
[08:05:03] <steleman> it fell out of a truck in Brooklyn :-)
[08:05:11] <steleman> and i just picked it up
[08:05:12] <Tempt> ha
[08:05:13] <Berny_> guess so
[08:05:24] <Tempt> Funny how trucks don't tie things down, isn't it?
[08:05:35] <palowoda> Owwe that cam is faily a new model.
[08:05:43] <steleman> Tempt: exactly. some trucks just leave a trail of high end video equipment behind them
[08:05:58] <palowoda> And it's progressive.
[08:06:07] <steleman> palowoda: December 2006
[08:06:28] <steleman> it does amazing things
[08:06:46] <steleman> it can simulate "film" by interposing a black frame every 25 frames
[08:07:15] <steleman> and by adjusting its depth of field to "film" camera view
[08:07:26] <Berny_> .oO(i should ask my bro for this as a christmax present ;-))
[08:07:59] <steleman> Berny_: it would be a nice xmas present but your girlfriend/wife/significant other will not appreciate it because you will be spending a *lot* of time with the V1U :-)
[08:08:32] <Berny_> i'll shoot vids of my daughter... that should set things right in the family order ;-)
[08:08:55] <Tempt> Just wait for that hi-def porn industry.
[08:09:05] <Tempt> every last ass pimple in clear focus
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[08:09:42] <Berny_> hehe that could be my second hobby ;-)
[08:10:02] <Berny_> thoug i'm not sure wife would appreciate the extra money
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[08:14:32] <e^ipi> interesting
[08:14:43] <e^ipi> there appears to be an ia64 machine simulator named 'ski'
[08:14:48] <e^ipi> i wonder if it'll compile
[08:17:18] <steleman> i have to pack sometime before 5AM tonight
[08:17:50] <e^ipi> how come?
[08:17:57] <steleman> fly to MPK
[08:18:00] <steleman> well SFO
[08:18:10] <steleman> flight leaves at 7AM out of JFK
[08:18:19] <e^ipi> heading in a couple days early?
[08:18:25] <steleman> yeah
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[08:20:05] <palowoda> I'm having a barbee thur at 7pm your welcome to stop by. Hopper is going to be there.
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[08:20:25] <steleman> palowoda: oh yah ? ty ty very much. can i tag aland along ?
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[08:21:07] <palowoda> Yeah I'll try and call him in about 10 min. He's up this late usally.
[08:21:17] <steleman> yeah he is
[08:21:45] <palowoda> He keeps on trying to put that broken mill together.
[08:21:58] <steleman> what is he trying to do ?
[08:22:04] <steleman> electricity ?
[08:22:27] <palowoda> He bought a bill mill machine that fell of the truck and busted it all up.  Now hes trying to save it.
[08:22:36] <palowoda> s/bill/big
[08:22:45] <steleman> haha
[08:22:56] <e^ipi> what's he going to do with a big mill?
[08:23:14] <dme> Mill big things.
[08:23:29] <palowoda> Heck he spends too much money buying all kinds of machines.  He even as a forging oven now.
[08:24:26] <palowoda> The mill wieghed about 1-1/2 ton.
[08:24:34] <steleman> oh i know about the forging oven
[08:25:14] <palowoda> Hang on I'll see if I can get him on the phone.
[08:25:20] <steleman> ok
[08:26:46] <palowoda> Yeah Alan said he coming over.
[08:27:06] <steleman> oh cool!
[08:27:19] <palowoda> make it 7pm
[08:27:26] <steleman> ok
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[08:27:47] <steleman> i can't remember how to get to your place from MPK but i'll tag behind alan
[08:28:15] <palowoda> I'll email you the directions at your gmail address.
[08:28:21] <steleman> oh ty ty
[08:28:59] <e^ipi> bugger.
[08:29:07] <e^ipi> ski doesn't compile for solaris it seems
[08:29:16] <steleman> why it needs gas ?
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[08:30:47] <e^ipi> dunno what it needs, but i haven't got it
[08:31:26] <e^ipi> looks like it can't find gtk
[08:31:57] <steleman> maybe the test for gtk in ./configure is messed up
[08:33:20] <e^ipi> i'll figgure it out
[08:33:30] <e^ipi> it'd be nice to get it working though
[08:33:46] <e^ipi> since real itanium hardware seems not to actually exist anywhere
[08:34:06] <steleman> Itanium is a state of mind ?
[08:34:11] <steleman> :-P
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[08:35:47] <e^ipi> hmm...
[08:35:59] <e^ipi> it seems a lot of stuff can't find gtk actually
[08:36:13] <steleman> do you have your PKG_CONFIG_PATH set up ?
[08:36:21] <e^ipi> probably not
[08:36:49] <steleman> setenv PKG_CONFIG_PATH "/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/sfw/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/gnu/lib/pkgconfig"
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[08:44:50] <flyingparchment> pkg-config is such a broken idea
[08:45:28] <e^ipi> and how
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[08:50:33] <phrost> anyone know if the core packages / network services are built with SSP or PIC? i assume solaris would support it either with their compiler or gcc
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[08:56:59] <steleman> i never understood why unix had to imitate the windows Registry(TM)
[08:57:14] <e^ipi> drats... dl.h: No such file or directory
[08:57:19] <e^ipi> anyone know where dl.h is from?
[08:57:35] <steleman> e^ipi: forget dl.h replace it with dlfcn.h
[08:58:04] <e^ipi> oh, okay
[08:58:12] <steleman> that's what it's really looking for
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[08:59:17] <e^ipi> and syscall.h should become ?
[08:59:37] <steleman> what is it looking for
[08:59:48] <steleman>  /usr/include/sys/syscall.h
[08:59:53] <e^ipi> dunno, just can't find syscall.h
[08:59:54] <steleman> but that might not be the exact same thing
[09:02:43] <e^ipi> meh, it got it to shut up, good enough for me
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[09:09:46] <e^ipi> :-/ looks like it needs a whole bunch of linux-isms to work good
[09:11:05] <steleman> probably a bunch of ioctl's are missing
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[09:11:20] <steleman> or aren't missing but are not the same
[09:11:38] <e^ipi> bunch of undefined symbols actually
[09:11:49] <e^ipi> like restoreOpenFile
[09:11:59] <steleman> hmm
[09:12:10] <steleman> that doesn't look like a linux kernel routine
[09:12:38] <steleman> does it want some additional packages ?
[09:13:23] <e^ipi> dunno
[09:13:25] <e^ipi> don't think so
[09:14:18] <e^ipi> http://ski.sourceforge.net/#dependencies
[09:15:43] <steleman> hold on i wonder if that's in ncurses
[09:17:31] <Stric> I don't find it on my debian etch machine
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[09:19:07] <steleman> well it's not in ncurses, libelf or libltdl
[09:19:33] <e^ipi> libltdl comes with ski
[09:19:58] <e^ipi> not sure why they have it listed there
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[09:20:47] <steleman> can you look which file restoreOpenFile() is called from and peek at the headers ?
[09:21:00] <steleman> that might give a clue where it expects it to come freom
[09:21:03] <steleman> s/freom/from/g
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[09:22:42] <e^ipi> extern void restoreOpenFile(char *, unsigned, unsigned, unsigned);
[09:22:49] <e^ipi> :-/ unhelpful
[09:22:58] <e^ipi> it's from src/ski.c
[09:23:50] <moazamraja> re
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[09:24:42] <moazamraja> any ZFS ZIL experts around?
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[10:20:51] <e^ipi> ugh... this crap is seriously broken
[10:23:35] <chrisso__> users
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[10:24:59] <JWheeler> Evening all
[10:25:07] <dme> Good morning.
[10:25:29] <JWheeler> I have a PC migration of sorts to do. It's been a while since I've done this, and I certainly haven't done this with solaris;
[10:25:50] <JWheeler> I have a new motherboard, video card, and hard drive to migrate my desktop too
[10:26:17] <JWheeler> I'm going to go ahead and just assume that solaris should pick up most of the new motherboard easily enough
[10:26:44] <JWheeler> and no doubt the new video card will just need some new drivers to get X working nicely, but the HD migration has me a little miffed
[10:27:09] <JWheeler> I'm running ufs /, and zfs /opt, /export/home, and /export/zones
[10:27:29] <flyingparchment> take the new drive, put it into your current system and create a new liveupgrade be on it
[10:27:33] <JWheeler> Should I try and mirror it first... Really the ZFS's can wait, it's the ufs root that I'm not too sure about
[10:27:47] <JWheeler> ah yes, of course
[10:28:09] <JWheeler> Can I also zfs send/recieve between local disks?
[10:28:16] <flyingparchment> yes
[10:28:28] <JWheeler> splendid. That'll take care of most of that then
[10:28:44] <JWheeler> Is the solaris boot likely to freak out by a new motherboard?
[10:28:58] <flyingparchment> bootpath will probably be wrong
[10:29:05] <g4lt-mordant> yes, you'll have to call sun for an unlock code
[10:29:18] <flyingparchment> it'll either panic or boot to a single user shell.. boot the recovery environment, change bootpath in bootenv.rc
[10:29:19] <e^ipi> heh
[10:30:12] <JWheeler> Erk, the ugly format: setprop bootpath /pci@0,0/pci-ide@8/ide@0/cmdk@0,0:d
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[10:31:07] <JWheeler> So I boot to single user, type format, then copy/paste as appropriate?
[10:31:40] <flyingparchment> if it allows you to, yes
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[10:33:00] <JWheeler> sounds promising...
[10:33:06] <JWheeler> right, phase one, new hard drive!
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[10:36:23] <e^ipi> heh, crank up those optimization flags... for xchat...
[10:36:34] <e^ipi> because, you know... it's important to have a fast IRC client
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[10:45:29] <trochej> Topic is late
[10:45:31] <trochej> Again
[10:45:40] <dlg> huggz
[10:47:11] <trochej> :)
[10:47:14] <trochej> Coffee
[10:47:17] <trochej> I need a coffe
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[11:24:26] <WickedWicky> hello identity.sun.com .. wakey wakey
[11:24:42] <Tempt> WAKEY WAKEY
[11:24:58] <Tempt> Norwegian blue likes kippin' on it's back
[11:25:17] <WickedWicky> beautiful plumage!
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[11:25:53] <WickedWicky> but serious, it looks kinda dead, identity.sun.com that is
[11:26:40] <WickedWicky> ah, there it is
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[11:27:24] <WickedWicky> or not
[11:27:46] <WickedWicky> The page isn't redirecting properly
[11:27:56] <WickedWicky> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
[11:27:59] <WickedWicky> nice one
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[11:28:13] <WickedWicky> it keeps bouncing me between www.sun.com and identity.sun.com
[11:28:17] <WickedWicky> sod it
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[11:59:59] <Vanuatoo> The topic should be changed I guess
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[12:02:55] <trochej> Vanuatoo: I said something along these lines, too
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[12:33:06] <quasi> http://xkcd.com/327/ :)
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[12:46:40] <dpn`> quasi: awesome
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[13:52:48] <WickedWicky> is there a reason my DVD-ROM unit shows like it's massively reading when I do a lucreate?
[13:56:33] <WickedWicky> crap
[13:56:47] <WickedWicky> because it copies the inserted CD
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[14:04:31] <kjetilho> I'm compiling Emacs 21.4 with default configure options -- but in the resulting binary, something white obscured the minibuffer.  anyone seen this?
[14:06:08] <kjetilho> oh, when I click on it, I get a menu for choosing input method.  I don't get this at all on Linux (built using the same spec).  weird.
[14:12:28] <Berny_> thats the iiim switcher thingie i'd say
[14:14:20] <trygvis> hm, what can be wrong if id and getent show that the user exist, but passwd is failing
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[14:22:44] <trygvis> anyone?
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[14:23:57] <trochej> trygvis: A field in shadow, for example ? (I'm guessing)
[14:26:45] <trygvis> it seems fine. how can I check it? or reset it?
[14:27:14] <trygvis> hm, there was a blank line in /etc/passwd
[14:29:48] <rcorreia> does anyone know why my "nightly ./opensolaris.sh" doesn't do anything (just returns back to the shell)?
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[14:30:56] <rcorreia> never mind, I've figured it out :)
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[14:57:32] <bda> xkcd++
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[15:23:29] <solar-star> Hi
[15:23:44] <solar-star> I have no sound on my SXDE 07/09 box
[15:23:58] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: what card do you have?
[15:24:43] <solar-star> SB450 HDA Audio
[15:25:21] <solar-star> It is from ATI
[15:25:40] <Vanuatoo> Is it a dedicated card or integrated on motherboard?
[15:25:51] <solar-star> I think integrated
[15:25:54] <solar-star> For sure
[15:26:52] <Vanuatoo> you need realtek hd audio driver
[15:27:13] <solar-star> how did you find that answer so quick?
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[15:28:03] <Vanuatoo> google is your friend :)
[15:28:34] <solar-star> Thank you
[15:28:38] <Vanuatoo> what is your motherboard?
[15:29:03] <solar-star> how can I figure out?
[15:29:21] <dlg> dmidecode
[15:30:06] <solar-star> command not available
[15:30:13] * dlg shrug
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[15:30:31] <dlg> if it was openbsd you could just run sysctl hw and seemaybe prtconf can do it
[15:30:43] <dlg> i missed an enter there between see and maybe
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[15:32:23] <solar-star> prtconf: motherboard (driver not attached) i8042, ...
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[15:33:24] <luis4god> opensolari liveCD?
[15:34:45] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: you could restart your computer and pause at the very first screen
[15:34:57] <Vanuatoo> your better open your case and look at the motherboard
[15:35:31] <solar-star> why is this important?
[15:36:03] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: If I know motherboard name I will find out what chipset it uses
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[15:36:12] <Vanuatoo> hence identifing correct sound driver
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[15:36:28] <Vanuatoo> and redirecting you to the correct site for driver
[15:36:37] <solar-star> Chipset is ATI Xpress 1150
[15:37:32] <trygvis> can anyone tell what's wrong with my permission settings?: start/privileges         astring  basic,net_rawaccess,net_icmpaccess,net_privaddr
[15:37:33] <Vanuatoo> ok
[15:39:54] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: are you sure?
[15:40:09] <solar-star> Yes
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[15:40:17] <tsoome> damn, rpcbind does not set source address in packets and thats bad in IPMP environment if client host is using sunscreen:(
[15:40:24] <aruiz> kszwed, ping
[15:41:50] <solar-star> Vanuatoo: That is the vendors name
[15:41:59] <kszwed> aruiz, pong
[15:42:27] <solar-star> Vanuatoo: Or maybe it is Xpress 1100
[15:43:04] <Vanuatoo> It's basically for onboard video
[15:43:40] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: you should tell me the motherboard
[15:44:05] <Vanuatoo> at least the motherboard vendor name
[15:44:22] <solar-star> I have a laptop and it is quiet difficult to open it on the fly
[15:44:42] <solar-star> It is a HP Compaq nx6325
[15:45:41] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: you should've started with that :)
[15:46:10] <solar-star> Ok?!
[15:46:56] <Vanuatoo> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12447_div/12447_div.HTML
[15:47:03] <Vanuatoo> Audio        ADI1981HD High Definition CODEC
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[15:49:54] <solar-star> Great
[15:50:09] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: you should install OpenSound driver from http://manuals.opensound.com/devlists/
[15:50:17] <solar-star> Where to find such a driver?
[15:51:03] <Vanuatoo> http://www.4front-tech.com/release/oss-solaris-v4.0-1006-i386.pkg
[15:51:08] <Vanuatoo> this is the exact file
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[15:51:17] <Vanuatoo> http://www.opensound.com/release/oss-install.pdf
[15:51:24] <Vanuatoo> this is the installation instructions
[15:51:53] <solar-star> With OSS I had not much luck in the past
[15:52:18] <solar-star> Maybe it has changed since I now use a recent SXDE
[15:52:32] <Vanuatoo> The installation is really simple
[15:52:35] <Vanuatoo> 4 steps
[16:01:23] <solar-star> How can I figure out if I have the GTK/GLIB-1.2.10 libraries installed
[16:02:32] <solar-star> Vanuatoo: Another issue
[16:03:02] <solar-star> Suns device detection tool said it would use audiohd
[16:05:06] <Cyrille> solar-star, if you know the gnome package name for it, you can use pkgconfig <whatever> to find its properties.
[16:07:25] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: then why it did not use?
[16:07:32] <aruiz> [aruiz@dtzip ~]$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --modversion
[16:07:32] <aruiz> 2.10.6
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[16:08:15] <Cyrille> wouldn't 1.2.10 be under gtk and not gtk+-2.0?
[16:08:15] <solar-star> Vanuatoo: Maybe there is no entry in /etc/driver_aliases ?
[16:08:23] <aruiz> ouch
[16:08:30] <aruiz> Cyrille, you're right
[16:09:08] <solar-star> Cyrille: I need this lib for OSS
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[16:09:31] <Vanuatoo> solar-star: I don't know
[16:12:41] <flyingparchment> what's a reasonable size for / (including /usr & /opt) for SXCE?  15GB?
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[16:13:08] <trochej> flyingparchment: I always give 20 GB
[16:13:09] <Vanuatoo> flyingparchment: Of course it depends on what are you going to install in the future
[16:13:26] <Vanuatoo> I gave 30gb
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[16:13:35] <Vanuatoo> and 100 for home
[16:13:44] <Vanuatoo> Raptor 150gb drive here
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[16:21:25] <jteo> dubi-doo0.
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[16:51:00] <jteo> wb sommerfeld.
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[17:05:07] * Triskelios has a good laugh at the alanc/facebook thread
[17:06:19] <Triskelios> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-October/002548.html
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[17:18:10] <jteo> mmm.
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[18:04:10] <jteo> Fox News hired Carly.
[18:04:18] <jteo> ugh.
[18:04:20] <holcomb> fiorina?
[18:04:24] <holcomb> (sp?)
[18:04:31] <jteo> yes.
[18:04:34] <jteo> the one and only.
[18:04:36] <holcomb> heh
[18:04:47] <cathya> where's jmcp
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[18:09:57] <Fish> hello
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[19:38:45] <l1s> hm hey all
[19:38:47] <l1s> can someone tell me how to add another ide hdd to opensolaris?!?
[19:39:42] <l1s> i tried newfs and format, but mount keeps telling me "mount /dev... is not a blockdevice"
[19:39:48] <PerterB> 1. Install hardware.  2. Do a reconfig boot, or run devfsadm after booting.
[19:40:19] <l1s> i did that...
[19:40:55] <wesolows> use format to figure out which device you added
[19:41:06] <wesolows> then use zpool create poolname <device>
[19:41:15] <wesolows> where <device> is something like c1t2d0
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[19:41:34] <l1s> c1d0s0 whitch is what i used for newfs
[19:41:36] <wesolows> newfs makes ufs filesystems, which should no longer be used in general
[19:41:48] <l1s> hm
[19:41:49] <wesolows> don't need slice number, just give zfs the whole disk
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[19:42:54] <l1s> like zfw /dev/rdsk/c1d0??
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[19:43:02] <l1s> zfs
[19:43:06] <wesolows> no
[19:43:10] <wesolows> no /dev/rdsk, ever
[19:43:19] <wesolows> for ZFS just use c1d0
[19:43:28] <wesolows> for UFS you want to mount /dev/dsk/c1d0s0
[19:43:35] <wesolows> rdsk is the character device, dsk is block
[19:43:40] <wesolows> ZFS is smart enough not to care
[19:44:48] <l1s> but why does /etc/vfstab show that it mounts /dev/rdsk?
[19:45:13] <wesolows> it doesn't
[19:45:19] <wesolows> man vfstab
[19:45:34] <wesolows> first one is block, that's what's mounted; second one is character used for fsck
[19:45:39] <l1s> aaah
[19:45:43] <wesolows> all this shit is obsolete as hell; just use ZFS and be happy
[19:45:55] <l1s> its fsck that uses rdsk
[19:45:56] <l1s> mhhh
[19:45:58] <l1s> ok thanks
[19:45:59] <wesolows> UFS is for root filesystems made by the Solaris installer
[19:46:15] <wesolows> soon that will die too and every system will be all ZFS all the time
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[19:46:30] <jteo> it's global domination.
[19:46:37] <l1s> k, thanks
[19:47:05] <wesolows> I think your confusion makes an excellent case study in why ZFS is better though
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[19:47:39] <wesolows> instead of having to get several things right (some of which are confusing), ZFS asks only that you do one simple thing correctly, and is generous in what it accepts as "correct"
[19:51:30] <l1s> does opensolaris b70 support a zfs installation?
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[19:52:59] <sarahj> l1s.. no b70 doesn't support ZFS installation automatically. It does however let you configure zfs root by hand and use jumpstart to update.
[19:53:04] <sarahj> Take a look at the zfs project page.
[19:53:13] <l1s> where?
[19:53:16] <sarahj> We will have a ZFS supported install out on opensolaris  by end of Oct.
[19:53:44] <jteo> intriguing, sarahj.
[19:54:02] <sarahj> l1s... http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/
[19:54:10] <sarahj> jteo... yep, we have it working mostly now.
[19:54:13] <l1s> thanks
[19:54:27] <jteo> sarahj: kudos.
[19:54:47] <sarahj> it runs via a liveCD.
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[19:55:58] <PerterB> how about upgrading to later releases, presumably LU won't work
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[19:56:42] <jteo> snap upgrades?
[19:56:47] <sarahj> PerterB.. no LU won't work. We are using the new IPS packaging system for our distro.
[19:57:06] <sarahj> jteo.. snap upgrade is planned for 03 08. With the new pkg'ing stuff.
[19:57:17] <jteo> yup.
[19:57:28] <PerterB> funky
[19:57:30] <sarahj> PerterB.. updating with the IPS system is as simple as going to the pkg repository and getting the updates.
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[19:57:47] <sarahj> so, update will be allowed as soon as the IPS has that capability available.
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[19:59:33] <PerterB> is there a succint description of IPS anywhere?
[19:59:52] <sarahj> well.. all that is there is on opensolaris.
[19:59:57] <sarahj> have you read the project page?
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[20:01:00] <PerterB> ah, there's a bit more there than last time I looked
[20:01:03] <sarahj> PerterB... here is the project page: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/
[20:03:14] <PerterB> although there still seems to be no "big picture" overview, just man pages and people's web log entries on various aspects
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[20:04:38] <sarahj> PerterB... that's true.
[20:04:48] <sarahj> I am hopeful it will be updated soon.
[20:05:40] <PerterB> me too... from a systems management point of view, changing the packaging system is a huge deal so the more info you can get out, the better
[20:05:49] <l1s> so, to setup zfs i need space for the installed ufs system + space for the new zfs system?
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[20:07:15] <l1s> hm, well i will try that...
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[20:08:19] <sarahj> l1s... yes, I believe you need that to copy over the data.
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[20:09:30] <PerterB> anyways, it's way past my going home time... but thanks for the info, sarahj
[20:10:15] <sarahj> sure..
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[20:25:27] <tinman2k> exec_attr
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[20:25:32] <tinman2k> sorry
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[20:45:04] <holcomb> isn't sxce 74 out?
[20:45:37] <Triskelios> only internally
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[20:47:31] <holcomb> i downloaded it yesterday
[20:47:32] <holcomb> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/sol_ex_dvd/
[20:47:38] <holcomb> seems to still be there
[20:48:27] <Triskelios> oh
[20:48:43] <Triskelios> stevel: poke
[20:48:53] <Berny_> was announced yesterday according to opensolaris.org
[20:49:29] <stevel> triskelios: what's up?
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[20:49:50] <Triskelios> topic needs bumping =P
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[20:50:58] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest SXCE 74 | Latest ON 74 | Starter kits: http://get.opensolaris.org | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | Twitter: http://twitter.com/opensolaris"
[20:51:09] * stevel wonders why ON 75 hasn't been pushed
[20:51:39] <stevel> oh wait, it has
[20:51:52] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest SXCE 74 | Latest ON 75 | Starter kits: http://get.opensolaris.org | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | Twitter: http://twitter.com/opensolaris"
[20:52:18] <Triskelios> thanks
[20:54:37] <Triskelios> now, it would be hilarious if I bricked my laptop doing this upgrade right before I left
[20:56:22] <stevel> yeah don't do that :)
[20:56:59] <stevel> damn. meant to try and grab you a songbird shirt, but forgot
[20:57:04] * stevel won't be in the office before sunday
[20:57:37] <stevel> got songbird stickers though :-P
[20:57:42] <WickedWicky> ola
[20:57:50] <Triskelios> hah ok
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[21:06:59] <Teltariat> ZFS BOOT! IT WORKS!
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[21:07:07] <Teltariat> Someone hold me.
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[21:07:31] <opt> Teltariat why are you posting in #math channel about open solaris? :-)
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[21:07:49] <Teltariat> opt: I'm sorry, its entirely my mistake
[21:07:55] <Teltariat> I was not paying attention
[21:08:19] <doc_nl> ne1 @ cec?
[21:10:18] <stevel> alanc: ping
[21:10:31] <alanc> stevel: pong
[21:10:40] <stevel> what's the passcode for the conference?
[21:10:51] <stevel> i have 6266208
[21:10:54] <stevel> but it keeps rejecting it
[21:10:59] <alanc> that worked for me
[21:11:18] <alanc> using the 877 number on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/OGB_minutes/call_details/
[21:11:25] <stevel> ??? yeah, i'm dialing 877-807-6997
[21:11:41] <stevel> weird. now it worked
[21:11:43] <stevel> 4th time's the charm apparently
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[21:31:24] <madwizard> coffee?
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[21:34:19] <FastJack> yay! I hacked away ruby code to get information about avaiable storage devices in solaris via iostat and prtpicl. http://pastie.caboo.se/105889
[21:34:50] <FastJack> tomorrow I have to figure out how to parse the output of zpool/zfs
[21:35:24] <Triskelios> FastJack: well, there are better interfaces like HAL and libzfs for that ;)
[21:35:44] <FastJack> except that I can't code in C :)
[21:36:13] <Triskelios> hal *might* have Ruby bindings
[21:38:15] <Triskelios> FastJack: anyway, it's all cool
[21:38:44] <Teltariat> Is there a quick page where I can see the new things/changes in b74?
[21:38:57] <elektronkind> lots of good solaris press today
[21:39:13] <holcomb> hm, no man page.  what is libzfs's stability?
[21:39:31] <Teltariat> Well, I'd happily add to that press, as I am positively _beside_ myself at getting a successful boot from pure ZFS root
[21:39:42] <Teltariat> <-- is very thrilled
[21:39:56] <Triskelios> Teltariat: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/71-75/ I guess
[21:40:06] * alanc is hiding from the press after http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202400539
[21:40:43] <Teltariat> Triskelios: thanks.  I am currently running Nevada 69
[21:41:02] <Teltariat> wanted to know if it was worth disturbing my setup to upgrade to 74
[21:41:14] <Triskelios> Teltariat: I thought there were bugs with ZFS boot before snv_72
[21:41:30] <Teltariat> Well if there are bugs, then I have yet to discover them
[21:41:39] <Teltariat> I'm booted and cruising easy in snv_69.
[21:41:44] <elektronkind> dear lord
[21:41:49] <Teltariat> :D
[21:42:05] <elektronkind> $43,055 (USD) to buy 64GB of RAM for a IBM p5 550
[21:42:10] * elektronkind 's jaw drops
[21:42:16] <Teltariat> Thats a joke, right?
[21:42:48] <elektronkind> that's not a joke. and, btw, that's the price of buying it from Crucial, not IBM. We're waiting to see what the IBM price is.
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[21:43:22] <Teltariat> good mercy.
[21:43:30] <elektronkind> haha. a T2000 with 64GB of RAM costs us $40k
[21:43:43] <elektronkind> less than just the IBM RAM upgrade :P
[21:43:51] <elektronkind> un freakin believable
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[22:00:04] <l1s> wow
[22:00:06] <l1s> zfs is great
[22:01:07] <Triskelios> isn't it, though?
[22:06:44] <rickenbacker4003> 64GB RAM for what kind of work? Computational Physics? :P
[22:07:15] <holcomb> wordpress
[22:07:26] <elektronkind> heh
[22:07:27] <elektronkind> not quite
[22:07:49] <WickedWicky> zones of course
[22:07:51] <WickedWicky> lots of zones
[22:07:52] <elektronkind> BEA Websphere/Tux server for peoplesoft
[22:07:58] <WickedWicky> *shrug*
[22:08:00] <WickedWicky> or Websphere
[22:08:02] <elektronkind> er Tuxedo
[22:08:02] <WickedWicky> that'll do
[22:08:02] <WickedWicky> :P
[22:08:04] <rickenbacker4003> ah eheh
[22:08:38] * Teltariat looks over at his paltry 1GB of RAM
[22:08:41] * Teltariat sighs.
[22:08:51] <WickedWicky> elektronkind: plus some caching of pr0n in fast ram surely
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[22:09:42] <elektronkind> IBM servers are so stuffy that they have microcode in the MMU which prevents pr0n from existing on the system
[22:09:51] <WickedWicky> ow
[22:10:19] <elektronkind> white shirt, black tie, and nerdy glasses. just like their ads
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[22:37:33] <l1s> time for music...
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[23:07:34] <Triskelios> SXCE 74 still has JDS < 75, right?
[23:07:56] <Triskelios> (i.e. GNOME < 2.20)
[23:14:26] <Gman> yes
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[23:15:13] <sleepcat> we should build a time machine and go into the future and download the source code and then go back and check it in
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[23:36:43] <stevel> sleepcat: yes - that's much better than installing the vermillion 75 packages
[23:36:47] <stevel> much more efficient that way ;-)
[23:37:22] <Bartman007> sleepcat: why not jump ahead to the Solaris 11 release date then, or Solaris 15?
[23:37:36] <asyd> is anyone have ie 6or7 here?
[23:37:37] <Teltariat> Theres a Solaris 15?
[23:37:38] <Triskelios> sleepcat: I like your idea and look forward to your initial IPO
[23:37:49] <Teltariat> :P
[23:38:02] <Teltariat> I wonder if it would even be called Solaris by then
[23:38:11] <Teltariat> It would probably be called SkyNet
[23:38:28] <Teltariat> And go self aware, thus dooming man to extinction
[23:38:48] <Teltariat> The original idea for a true network OS fulfilled beyond the Sun founders' wildest dreams.
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[23:41:24] <stevel> The Network is the Enslaver
[23:41:50] <stevel> i should go trademark that slogan... then why skynet comes about - i can charge royalties
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[23:44:29] <_el_guapo> hi
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[23:51:55] <phrost> i can't get the b74 build to load the install cd on my server, shows the 3 line SunOS boot / copyright message and the cursor is just blinking in the lower left of the screen
[23:51:59] <phrost> any thoughts?
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[23:53:13] <alanc> "The Solaris upgrade of the boot environment <snv_75> is complete." - now for the fun part - luactivate & reboot...
[23:53:40] * Plaidrab crosses fingers
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[23:56:12] <Triskelios> phrost: boot with -kv
[23:56:46] <phrost> Triskelios: e at the grub prompt for edit and then add -kv where?
[23:56:47] <Teltariat> stevel: I imagine you'll make a killing "food rations", since after SkyNet has enslaved humanity, you'll be paid only in nutrition sludge.
[23:56:57] <Triskelios> phrost: aye
[23:56:58] <phrost> Triskelios: just at the end of the arguments?
[23:57:11] <phrost> kk, lemme go try it
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