[00:14:50] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris
[00:15:28] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris
[00:15:51] <gisburn> jmcp: ping!
[00:21:41] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris
[00:26:39] <coffman> jamesd: well, the boxed coolers are okay for basic operations and the cool perfect, but i tend to use third party ones
[00:27:34] <coffman> jamesd: try if your old one is good enough, which is pretty certain
[00:27:55] <sickness> i'm back
[00:27:59] <sickness> hi gisburn :)
[00:28:19] <coffman> if the old one had a pad, remove it completly and go with the normal ceramic/silver paste
[00:29:04] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[00:29:38] * coffman allready did build a couple (~200) whiteboxes
[00:30:13] <jamesd> coffman, well this is a sun silver box so i guess it must be a pretty good setup....
[00:30:46] <coffman> :P
[00:31:04] *** sickness has quit IRC
[00:33:05] <jamesd> now what else to buy with the $30 or $40 left that i have budgeted.
[00:36:40] <kjetilho> upgrade the quality of your fans
[00:36:57] <kjetilho> or get a cabinet fan if you don't have one
[00:38:50] <jamesd> i have sun U20...  it comes with an awesome cabinet.
[00:39:14] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris
[00:39:20] <gisburn> sickness: Hi! :-)
[00:39:49] <sickness> hey :)
[00:42:50] <jamesd> http://photos.sun.com/asset/3585?returnPage=/page/444
[00:43:21] * oninoshiko recommends purchase of "morale boosting refreshments" (beer)
[00:44:02] <sickness> what's flat lighting?
[00:44:08] <sickness> oh, nevermind :)
[00:45:14] *** communicator has quit IRC
[00:53:04] *** dpn` has joined #opensolaris
[01:00:36] *** EddieMty has joined #opensolaris
[01:01:51] *** ashner has quit IRC
[01:04:15] *** kupfer has joined #opensolaris
[01:04:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o kupfer
[01:04:31] <gisburn> erm
[01:04:34] <gisburn> kupfer: Hi!
[01:04:39] <kupfer> hi.
[01:04:42] <gisburn> kupfer: it's weekend
[01:04:45] <gisburn> (AFAIK)
[01:04:51] <kupfer> i'm looking for clues on how to burn a dvd
[01:04:56] <kupfer> the nautilus burner hangs
[01:05:09] <kupfer> mkisofs and cdrw/cdrecord?
[01:05:12] <trygvis> I use cdrw on the commandline
[01:05:22] <kupfer> cdrw wants an ISO image, i think
[01:05:33] <trygvis> that might be right
[01:06:37] <kupfer> from reading the man pages it looks like i want to use mkisofs to generate the ISO image, but i was hoping for confirmation from someone.  i've wasted enough time on this as it is...:-/
[01:07:11] <delewis> yes, you want to use mkisofs(1) to create the ISO and then cdrw(1) or cdrecord(1) to burn the image.
[01:07:40] *** EddieMty has left #opensolaris
[01:08:07] <delewis> mkdir foo; cd foo; mkisofs -o ../foo.iso -r -J -V "<volume name>" .
[01:08:20] <kupfer> thanks!
[01:08:32] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris
[01:08:35] <delewis> (rationalized RR, Joliet, and a volume name, which both, RR and Joliet use)
[01:10:10] <kupfer> cool, i'll give it a whirl.  thanks again.
[01:10:13] *** kupfer has left #opensolaris
[01:14:05] *** Fish has quit IRC
[01:15:34] *** rubymonk has quit IRC
[01:17:40] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[01:20:47] <g4lt-mordant> woohoo, a OSUG only 250 miles from where I live :/
[01:29:55] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[01:36:04] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[01:51:48] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC
[01:52:35] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[01:52:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[01:53:20] *** neoxed has quit IRC
[01:55:34] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[01:59:51] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[02:04:32] *** NikolaVeber_ has quit IRC
[02:06:33] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[02:09:25] *** AtomicPunk has quit IRC
[02:09:38] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz
[02:16:30] *** blah__ has joined #opensolaris
[02:17:14] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[02:17:25] *** blah__ has quit IRC
[02:21:31] *** sniffy has quit IRC
[02:33:55] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:41:49] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris
[02:42:14] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[02:42:58] *** dm120769 has joined #opensolaris
[02:45:30] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[02:45:46] *** Gekz has quit IRC
[02:46:05] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris
[02:46:23] *** AtomicPunk has joined #opensolaris
[02:47:00] * dclarke falls in
[02:47:13] <jamesd> hi dennis
[02:47:16] *** Gekkko has joined #opensolaris
[02:47:29] <dclarke> hello .. long time no hear
[02:47:34] <dclarke> how goes GE ?
[02:48:11] <jamesd> i guess okay, i work for wells fargo
[02:48:16] <dclarke> erk
[02:48:18] <dclarke> oops
[02:48:21] <dclarke> sorry
[02:48:24] <jamesd> np
[02:48:27] <dclarke> somehow I thought GE
[02:48:32] <dclarke> my mistake
[02:48:43] *** Gekkko has quit IRC
[02:48:51] <jamesd> yeah it was supposed to be GE, but they never finallized an offer
[02:48:52] <dclarke> hrmm new release of PCA today
[02:49:05] * dclarke remembers that .. ah yes
[02:49:13] *** jmcp_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:49:20] *** Gekkko has joined #opensolaris
[02:49:56] <jamesd> i think my current just is a lot more fun,  lots of wild and crazy people.. its too bad there is so much red tape in everything we do, but the people are great
[02:50:39] <jamesd> yesterday i got paid to go see  borne identity
[02:50:55] <dclarke> ha ha !
[02:50:58] <sleepcat> dclarke: I downloaded CUPS from blastwave and it the web configuration page for CUPS keeps asking for the root password even though I set it using lppasswd -g sys -a root.
[02:51:00] <dclarke> cool
[02:51:36] <dclarke> uh huh
[02:51:43] * dclarke is not much of a cups user
[02:51:55] <sleepcat> just giving a heads up
[02:52:03] <dclarke> sounds like you need to join the users maillist at users at lists dot blastwave.org
[02:52:11] <sleepcat> i'll do that
[02:52:16] <dclarke> post that and you will get a response .. I assure you
[02:52:23] <dclarke> because .. I'm in patch hell
[02:52:26] *** Gekkko is now known as Gekz
[02:52:36] <sleepcat> i understand, thanks for blastwave, it is a great resource!
[02:52:48] <dclarke> I do what I can
[02:52:51] <sleepcat> SUN would be in serious trouble without it
[02:53:03] <dclarke> as of 22nd Oct it will be five years
[02:53:16] <sleepcat> hopefully sun is treating you well!
[02:53:19] <dclarke> that is what the Sun execs tell me too :-)
[02:53:37] <dclarke> yep .. I have a beer glass here from Sun
[02:53:49] <sleepcat> only a beer glass....
[02:53:52] <sleepcat> :-(
[02:54:02] <dclarke> with a nice thank you note
[02:54:04] <jamesd> too bad you dont have a  x4600 and  v490 sitting there from sun...
[02:54:07] <dclarke> and some cool hardware
[02:54:15] <dclarke> ha ha .. no v490
[02:54:19] <dclarke> no no no
[02:54:24] <dclarke> they need 220V power
[02:54:37] <dclarke> I do have some Cobalt LX50's
[02:54:40] <jamesd> the 490?  its only 4 cpus
[02:54:46] <dclarke> really ?
[02:54:58] <dclarke> I thought it was US-IV and 220V power
[02:55:23] <sleepcat> anyway as a reformed linux user, blastwave essentially enabled me to stay with solaris
[02:55:38] <jamesd> yeah i guess it does.... just looked it up
[02:55:39] <dclarke> cool .. I hear that a lot lately
[02:55:40] *** blindfish has quit IRC
[02:55:48] <dclarke> jamesd : yep .. knew it
[02:55:58] <dclarke> jamesd : someone at Sun was asking me if I wnted one
[02:56:08] <dclarke> I said .. uh .. no thanks .. can't power it or cool it
[02:56:13] *** Kush- has quit IRC
[02:56:14] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[02:56:20] *** dmarker has quit IRC
[02:56:23] <sleepcat> what about the T2000?
[02:56:32] <dclarke> that is a sweet machine
[02:56:35] <dclarke> yep ..
[02:56:39] <jamesd> that is  120volts and a  350watt PSU
[02:56:51] <dclarke> yeah .. it uses one of my UPS's
[02:57:06] <dclarke> one moment guys .. I have to process some patches for Studio 12
[02:57:13] <jamesd> yeah we have about 5 in work...
[02:57:32] <jamesd> er at work
[02:58:26] *** sleepcat has quit IRC
[03:05:11] *** Gekz is now known as ^_^
[03:07:27] *** ^_^ is now known as Gekz
[03:08:03] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[03:08:36] *** Gekz is now known as GenericFace
[03:08:42] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[03:09:21] *** GenericFace is now known as iamsthithas_face
[03:09:29] <kjetilho> I was surprised to hear about servers with "redundant" PSUs which are only actually redundant when you supply 220V.
[03:09:57] <kjetilho> of course I never had to worry about it here in Norway.
[03:10:17] <jamesd> which servers are those... i have never heard of that.
[03:10:24] <delewis> that might mean 2*110V
[03:10:29] <delewis> which would be true.
[03:10:33] <kjetilho> it was some IBM POWER5 server
[03:10:52] <delewis> it might use 220V power.
[03:11:04] <delewis> larger POWER5s require quite a bit of juice.
[03:11:10] <jamesd> oh nothing surprises me with IBM
[03:11:35] <jamesd> delewis, did you ever get all those sunrays?
[03:12:00] <delewis> jamesd: only half of them (the Sun Ray 150s).
[03:12:14] <delewis> the organization donating the Sun Rays didn't want the hassle of packing the Sun Ray 1s.
[03:12:39] <delewis> we did get a large E280R config, though.
[03:12:53] <delewis> 1.2GHz UltraSPARC-III CUs, 4GB of memory (8 would've been nice), and 2x73GB disks.
[03:13:19] *** iamsthithas_face is now known as Gekz[^_^]
[03:13:21] <delewis> the other E280R we got out of it was a 2x900MHz, 4GB of memory, and 2x36GB disks.
[03:13:22] <jamesd> if you want to get rid of a  sunray 150 or two... give /msg me a price and a shipping quote
[03:13:25] <jamesd> nice.
[03:14:06] <delewis> jamesd: right now, I think that non-profit is planning on using them, but if they don't, and I can grab a few for myself, I'll price and ship one for you.
[03:14:20] <jamesd> col
[03:14:23] <jamesd> er cool
[03:15:28] *** Gekz[^_^] is now known as Gekz[away]
[03:17:37] *** Gekz[away] has quit IRC
[03:17:45] <jamesd> i think they might be nice to  check email and browser internet and stream music ... without a large 17" monitor taking up major desk space.
[03:18:12] <jamesd> er crt taking up
[03:18:25] <delewis> yeah, they're thinking about using them as kiosks for the break-rooms, hallways, and some other public areas, as well as staff workstations, maybe.
[03:20:28] <jamesd> sounds nice
[03:24:19] *** axle_512 has left #opensolaris
[03:25:19] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[03:26:07] <baijiutong> quick question: is there a place i can check for new releases of SXCE woithout logging in and checking the download page?
[03:26:24] <baijiutong> sitting on my hands waiting for xvm..
[03:26:48] <dclarke> baijiutong : yes
[03:26:59] <baijiutong> where is that?
[03:27:13] <dclarke> baijiutong : look at http://www.blastwave.org/docs/OpenSolaris
[03:27:20] <dclarke> you will see links there
[03:27:35] <dclarke> when SXCE updates .. I update those links
[03:27:40] <dclarke> does that help ?
[03:27:56] <dclarke> better yet .. just look at the link
[03:28:04] <dclarke> its easy to type in whatever version you want
[03:28:38] <Triskelios> baijiutong: the version of SXCE is also part of the download link, so you can just read the URL before logging in
[03:28:48] <baijiutong> ah, ok
[03:28:55] <baijiutong> but no like, announce list or anything?
[03:29:03] *** snuffy-home has joined #opensolaris
[03:29:04] <baijiutong> btw, it looks like b73 is available now :)
[03:29:37] <Triskelios> baijiutong: yes, b73 has been in the topic here for a week or two
[03:30:02] <baijiutong> ah hey! excellent. i'll just read the topic then :P
[03:30:04] <Triskelios> baijiutong: opensolaris-announce is the list, actually
[03:30:30] <baijiutong> i was mentioning because dclarke's page lists 72 as the latest
[03:30:34] <Triskelios> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/opensolaris-announce
[03:30:47] <baijiutong> trisk: thanks much
[03:30:54] <dclarke> look again
[03:31:15] <baijiutong> hey hey :)
[03:31:24] <baijiutong> thanks, guys
[03:31:42] <dclarke> it clearly says snv_74
[03:33:47] <baijiutong> yea, it didn't when i first loaded it- had 72, then 73, and now 74
[03:33:48] *** bra2 has joined #opensolaris
[03:33:54] <bra2> Hello guys
[03:34:20] * dclarke *wave*
[03:34:34] <bra2> Is there a simple way to enlarge /opt?
[03:34:42] <dclarke> steroids
[03:34:46] <dclarke> :-P
[03:34:48] <dclarke> sorry ..
[03:34:50] <bra2> I'm having trouble installing the blastwave repo
[03:34:53] <dclarke> umm ..
[03:35:02] <dclarke> yeah .. those jerks make it so damn big
[03:35:08] * dclarke giggles
[03:35:25] <dclarke> what do you get from  df -F ufs -k
[03:35:44] <gisburn> Isn't blastwave being replaced by IndianaWave right now ?
[03:35:45] <dclarke> also .. what are you trying to install ? all of it ?  ?
[03:35:55] <dclarke> gisburn : yep
[03:36:00] <gisburn> aaah
[03:36:03] <dclarke> gisburn : that's the plan
[03:36:12] <dclarke> gisburn : see pkg.blastwave.org
[03:36:18] <gisburn> ugh
[03:36:32] <dclarke> gisburn : myself and some Sun guys are back porint the SUNWipkg software to Solaris 10 Update 4
[03:36:45] <dclarke> we expect to have a public repository up in a week or so
[03:36:49] <dclarke> maybe less
[03:37:03] <dclarke> then we just migrate the CSW software over and .. keep doing what we do
[03:37:05] <dclarke> easy
[03:37:21] <dclarke> oh .. we also keep doing the Solaris 8 thing
[03:37:28] <dclarke> that won't halt until 2009
[03:37:41] <bra2> IDo you know when neveda's coming out?
[03:37:47] <axisys> dclarke: cool I thought I had to wait till 2009 to get a taste of it
[03:38:01] <dclarke> axisys : a taste of ? what ?
[03:38:39] <axisys> dclarke: indiana .. aka new blastwave
[03:38:46] <dclarke> oh ..
[03:38:51] <dclarke> no .. I'm on top of that
[03:39:03] <axisys> dclarke: u da man
[03:39:12] <dclarke> initially it looked like a move by Ian and co. to just outright replace the Blastwave community process
[03:39:17] <axisys> dclarke: i use blastwave almost everyday
[03:39:24] <dclarke> in order for Sun to control it ..
[03:39:32] <bra2> dclarke,Do you actually work at sun?
[03:39:33] <axisys> dclarke: life is sooo easy for sysadmins like me to manage 300 servers
[03:39:36] <dclarke> actually it is a collaborative effort
[03:39:45] <dclarke> bra2: no
[03:39:59] <dclarke> bra2: I'm currentin in a basement in Cobourg Ontario Canada
[03:40:11] <dclarke> currently
[03:40:53] <Triskelios> dclarke: I've not been following pkg-discuss, but is bw/indiana basically just making the existing blastwave repository ipkg-compatible or making more efforts at integration?
[03:41:19] <jamesd> axisys, untill you get a call at 1:30am to find out why server name blah is not responding and its not in the console server log.... so you have no idea how to login into it to fix it
[03:41:24] <dclarke> the pkg software infrastructure allows for multiple repositories
[03:41:37] <dclarke> the problem is .. there are 1700+ software packages at Blastwave
[03:41:45] <dclarke> so .. we need to migrate them into the new concept
[03:41:54] <dclarke> but only the leading edge people are looking at this
[03:42:04] <axisys> jamesd: and that.. luckily we have console and site engs
[03:42:05] <dclarke> Solaris custoemrs are still running Solaris 8 and 9 and 10
[03:42:11] <dclarke> they want SVR4 packages
[03:42:50] <delewis> damn right. :-)
[03:42:53] <jamesd> axisys, no such luck...   especially if the box is local.. then someone has to drive down to the datacenter and figure out which box it is.
[03:43:00] <gisburn> Did anyone see comay recently ?
[03:43:47] <jamesd> luckily i have only had minor problems by comparison, but friday i did feel like a windows  admin,  two pages before 10 pm....
[03:43:52] <dclarke> anyways .. one of the things I am doing this weekend is building a s10u4 reference platform box
[03:44:07] <dclarke> the Indiana people want to release this month but only for x86
[03:44:29] <dclarke> I plan to release a pkg repository for both Sparc and x86 as per Blastwave standards
[03:44:34] <axisys> jamesd: must not be critical .. if no 24/7 man around.. :P
[03:44:58] <baijiutong> wow, indiana's moving faster than i expected it to.
[03:45:53] <jamesd> axisys, we only have 140 servers split between two DC's ... our vendor contract has a 3 hour SLA,  very important but not big enough to pay for full onsite support
[03:46:15] <dclarke> baijiutong: have you seen it yet ?
[03:46:32] <Triskelios> dclarke: I'm one of the spec-files-extra contributors and the main reason I've been sticking with SFE is the better integration and less duplication of efforts, and a more transparent package maintenance process. the conversion of blastwave to target indiana would allow for some of these changes as well
[03:46:36] <baijiutong> no..
[03:46:44] <dclarke> neither has anyone else
[03:46:56] <dclarke> Triskelios : whatever works for you
[03:46:58] <baijiutong> well planned release by the end of the month
[03:47:08] <baijiutong> i was expecting a bunch of hemming and hawing for at least 3
[03:47:11] <dclarke> Triskelios : ultimately .. the plan is to coordinate better
[03:47:48] <dclarke> but .. I can not compete with a billion dollar corporation .. if they want to go some totally new diretion .. well .. no sense in playing anymore ya know ?
[03:48:58] <dclarke> no worries .. there are a bizillion SVR4 users out there still ..
[03:50:28] <bra2> Is there an easy way to enlarge /opt?
[03:51:01] <dclarke> oh .. yes
[03:51:11] <dclarke> so I asked you for df -F ufs -k
[03:51:16] <dclarke> or better yet ..
[03:51:19] <dclarke> so I asked you for df -F ufs -k /opt
[03:51:22] <jamesd> bra2, add more disk space... move the files to the new filesystem... and replace the current /opt
[03:51:33] *** Kitty has quit IRC
[03:51:40] <jamesd> or if this is zfs its much easier....   zpool add  poolname  disk1 ....
[03:51:50] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[03:52:04] <bra2> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/728513
[03:52:12] <bra2> thats my filesystems
[03:53:42] <dclarke> wow
[03:53:47] <dclarke> root is at 100%
[03:53:56] <dclarke> you are in trouble my friend
[03:54:10] <jamesd> just move all the files  to  /export/home/opt   and create a symlink to   from  /export/home/opt  to /opt
[03:54:15] <dclarke> what the heck were you thinking !
[03:54:20] <dclarke> no no .. no
[03:54:21] <bra2> ...That's how it autformatted it
[03:54:25] <dclarke> no symlinks
[03:54:31] <dclarke> yeah .. and that sucks
[03:54:38] <dclarke> that autoformatting crud
[03:54:39] <dclarke> sucks
[03:54:47] <dclarke> you may as well reinstall
[03:54:50] <bra2> how big should root be?
[03:54:58] <dclarke> like .. 10G
[03:55:01] <jamesd> dclarke, the better question is what were the sun engineers that created the autoformating crap thinking.
[03:55:09] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris
[03:55:16] <dclarke> jamesd : we should slap them
[03:55:28] <dclarke> bra2: dude .. that machine is borked
[03:55:35] <bra2> reinstall then?
[03:55:42] <dclarke> bra2: that install needs to be redone
[03:55:43] <jamesd> i would recomend it....
[03:55:47] <dclarke> can I show you something ?
[03:55:50] <bra2> sure
[03:56:10] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/docs/s10u3_howto.html
[03:56:27] <jamesd> 10 GB /  ,  20GB /opt    2x ram for swap ... 512MB in /export/home   leave the rest un-used and use later to play with  ZFS
[03:56:44] <bra2> I don't know if this will matter but i'm running solaris express
[03:56:46] <jamesd> and move  your home directory to  zfs once you have installed
[03:56:50] <dclarke> read all of this http://www.blastwave.org/docs/step-063.html
[03:57:04] <dclarke> and then just .. do what jamesd says
[03:57:07] <jamesd> bra2, nope still just as broken as it has been for the last 10 years.
[03:57:13] <dclarke> make root big .. like 10GB
[03:57:16] <bra2> ok
[03:57:25] <dclarke> make /opt about 16GB or 20GB if you have it
[03:57:29] <jamesd> you can also  put /opt on  zfs as well...  its really cool that way.
[03:57:39] <dclarke> make swap .. large enough for twice RAM but no bigger than 4GB
[03:57:49] <bra2> one more question before I reinstall
[03:57:50] <dclarke> yeah .. ZFS rocks and its a good way to go
[03:57:55] <dclarke> bra2
[03:57:58] <dclarke> bra2 : hey !
[03:58:03] <bra2> ya
[03:58:04] <dclarke> bra2 : okay .. you first
[03:58:13] <dclarke> bra2 : you have a question ?
[03:58:43] <bra2> My machine stalls at extracting windowing when Install with desktop
[03:59:02] <bra2> Anyway to fix that I had to install with console
[03:59:06] <bra2> ?
[03:59:35] <dclarke> erk
[03:59:49] <dclarke> the machine stalls during that "extract window" crud eh?
[03:59:49] <bra2> Man did I obfuscate that
[03:59:51] <jamesd> bra2, it should automaticly use what ever you have... if you install with a keyboard and monitor it uses them.. if over serial link it will use text.
[03:59:52] <dclarke> that is ... not good
[04:00:23] <bra2> It won't run the default install because I only have 512mb ram
[04:00:46] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris
[04:01:01] <bra2> Once installed it runs everything fine though
[04:01:02] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[04:03:27] <dclarke> hrmm .. only 512MB ..
[04:03:35] <dclarke> I think ya better increase the RAM a tad
[04:03:57] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[04:04:42] <bra2> I just don't see how 512mb can run JDS with 10 applications(right now) fine but need more ram for a graphical installation..
[04:04:43] *** sleepcat has joined #opensolaris
[04:05:00] <dclarke> Solaris runs in console more wonderfully
[04:05:19] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[04:05:42] <jamesd> bra2,  grub during installation creates a  192+ MB ram disk
[04:05:58] <bra2> ooh
[04:06:46] *** jmcp__ has joined #opensolaris
[04:08:27] <bra2> is there a command to show what type of ram I have?
[04:08:38] <bra2> I'm trying to shop for some more right now
[04:08:39] <dclarke> prtdiag
[04:08:44] <dclarke> oooh .. umm ..
[04:08:49] <dclarke> no not that detailed
[04:08:54] <dclarke> you need to open the box
[04:09:11] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:09:46] <bra2> nvm figure it out
[04:11:59] *** renihs has quit IRC
[04:13:10] *** Kitty has joined #opensolaris
[04:13:43] <jamesd> hi Kitty
[04:16:06] *** dm120769 has quit IRC
[04:18:09] *** jmcp_ has quit IRC
[04:22:08] *** bra2 has quit IRC
[04:22:59] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris
[04:37:22] *** Gropi_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:41:25] <sparcdr> o.o
[04:41:51] *** tehjackal has joined #opensolaris
[04:42:10] *** axle_512 has joined #opensolaris
[04:45:33] <axle_512> what's the best way to monitor the state of a ZFS pool?  (i.e. if the pool is degraded, I want an alert)
[04:48:36] *** gisburn has quit IRC
[04:50:31] <sleepcat> has there ever been any thought to opensourcing sun studio?
[04:50:39] <sleepcat> under the cddl?
[04:50:48] <sparcdr> o.o
[04:50:55] <sparcdr> sleepcat, what does it matter
[04:51:02] <Triskelios> axle_512: like for any other component failure, the the fault management system will send out alerts
[04:51:02] <sparcdr> they are eventually open-sourcing everything
[04:51:41] <sparcdr> it's not easy when they use 3rd party commercial source, take current binary drivers for ON for example.
[04:52:02] <sparcdr> or just ask our own alanc here, about the issues with ATI driver code
[04:52:28] <sleepcat> what is ON?
[04:52:47] <Triskelios> sleepcat: the OS/Net consolidation that is the base of opensolaris
[04:52:49] <sparcdr> haha you're on #opensolaris and you dont know what ON is
[04:52:57] <sleepcat> i'm kidding
[04:53:09] <sparcdr> you've been ON crack to long
[04:53:21] *** Gropi has quit IRC
[04:53:28] <sparcdr> :)
[04:53:33] *** renihs has joined #opensolaris
[04:54:24] <sparcdr> so yeah scsi drivers, nvidia drivers, atheros hal, are what should remain non-free in a few years
[04:54:25] <sparcdr> bbl
[04:54:26] <sparcdr> cya
[04:54:31] *** sparcdr has quit IRC
[04:55:08] <axle_512> Triskelios:  Thanks, let me read about fmadm and learn more about it
[05:02:27] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[05:05:11] <axle_512> Triskelios:  it seems like a cronjob that checks the fmdump or fmd log and emails me if the pool has faulted or degraded is the proper way to do it.  Does that sound right?
[05:13:28] <delewis> oh, dear. SMF is being suggested to replace vfstab.
[05:13:45] * delewis distributes pitchforks
[05:14:00] * g4lt-mordant distributes torches
[05:14:29] <sleepcat> delewis: no it's not!!!
[05:14:34] <sleepcat> it better not be
[05:15:39] <delewis> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/smf-discuss/2007-October/007086.html
[05:17:21] <delewis> even AIX, which has ODM, relies on a flat text file for mounting filesystems.
[05:18:06] <delewis> that should tell these crazy 'engineers' that it's not a good idea, if someone that's had an SMF-equivalent (at least in this respect) for years doesn't use it for that.
[05:18:08] <sleepcat> Lets revoke Nil's commit privilages
[05:21:38] <kjetilho> delewis: vfstab is replaced by ZFS anyway
[05:22:21] <Triskelios> kjetilho: zfs root still relies on "legacy" mountpoints, don't know if that is scheduled to change
[05:22:39] <kjetilho> (proc, ctfs and objfs really have no place in vfstab IMHO)
[05:25:02] *** axle_512 has left #opensolaris
[05:25:31] *** tehjackal has quit IRC
[05:42:53] *** quittt has joined #opensolaris
[05:50:45] *** estibi has quit IRC
[05:52:39] *** RElling has left #opensolaris
[05:56:52] *** jafari_ has quit IRC
[05:56:53] *** dclarke has quit IRC
[06:13:32] *** noobuntu has joined #opensolaris
[06:35:20] *** sleepcat has quit IRC
[06:41:38] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[06:42:19] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:46:05] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[06:47:23] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[06:48:16] *** quittt has left #opensolaris
[06:52:43] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[06:59:29] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:00:05] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:00:22] <CIA-26> jmcp: PSARC 2007/507 Unencumbered libdisasm for Sparc, 6596739 need non-encumbered libdisasm for sparc, 6396410 Update dis for preferred assembly language syntax, 6193412 Support for new Olympus B/C instructions needed in disassemblers, Code contributed by Jason Brian King <jason at ansipunx dot net>, 4751282 fp conversion ops decode registers incorrectly, 4767086 fmovrq registers decoded wrong, 4767091 pixel compare source registers decoded wrong, 4767154 Reg
[07:05:55] <Triskelios> yay emancipation
[07:11:02] <Gman> jbk, congrats
[07:20:32] *** asyd has quit IRC
[07:23:06] *** medar_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:24:12] <flyingparchment> it would be neat if you could have sparse linux zones
[07:28:21] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:29:00] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:31:45] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:32:18] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:35:19] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:35:51] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:36:41] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris
[07:38:41] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:38:57] *** Shiv_1 has joined #opensolaris
[07:38:58] *** LeftWing has quit IRC
[07:39:17] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:40:47] *** medar has quit IRC
[07:41:33] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[07:42:43] *** noobuntu has quit IRC
[07:57:27] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:59:45] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris
[08:06:46] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC
[08:08:27] <axisys> how do I make sure users always need a card to login to sunray? in other words I want a card insert icon when there is no card
[08:08:39] <axisys> i am reading man utpolicy
[08:08:44] <axisys> but little confused
[08:09:10] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris
[08:09:10] <axisys> currently I have utpolicy shows `-a -g -z both'
[08:09:21] <axisys> so it does not show the card ibsert icon
[08:18:17] *** Shiv_1 has quit IRC
[08:22:11] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[08:24:39] *** noyb has quit IRC
[08:25:15] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[08:38:15] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK
[08:56:07] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris
[09:19:02] *** ysss has quit IRC
[09:23:35] *** jmcp__ is now known as jmcp
[09:24:58] *** Gropi_ is now known as Gropi
[09:28:39] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC
[09:37:49] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[09:53:52] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:58:35] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[10:00:04] *** dmarker has quit IRC
[10:00:14] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris
[10:00:53] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[10:09:02] <axisys> utpolicy -a -g -z card was the answer
[10:16:13] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris
[10:18:44] *** e^ipi_ is now known as e^ipi
[10:21:50] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris
[10:21:51] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris
[10:34:24] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[10:34:33] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris
[10:41:36] <ofu> do i have to unmount/zpool export a disk before putting it into spindown mode?
[10:41:52] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris
[10:49:20] *** SirFunk has quit IRC
[10:49:38] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris
[10:57:51] * bda smacks docs.sun.
[10:58:22] <Fish-> hello
[11:10:17] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris
[11:11:10] *** suhail has joined #opensolaris
[11:11:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o asyd
[11:11:40] <suhail> hi everyoen
[11:11:45] <suhail> hi everyone
[11:12:43] *** justin__ has joined #opensolaris
[11:12:59] *** Jondice has quit IRC
[11:13:41] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[11:23:07] *** suhail has quit IRC
[11:24:28] *** program has quit IRC
[11:42:03] *** logic_ has quit IRC
[11:59:15] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[12:08:30] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[12:09:10] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:18:12] *** jeanBlack has joined #opensolaris
[12:23:22] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[12:55:34] *** __hsilva has joined #opensolaris
[12:58:31] *** snuffy-home has quit IRC
[13:07:38] *** _hsilva has quit IRC
[13:07:43] *** __hsilva is now known as _hsilva
[13:08:38] *** Tigerstein has joined #opensolaris
[13:09:48] 
[13:10:56] <Tigerstein> and the imput methos switcher says that I'm using the C locale, but I have given Hungarian at the install
[13:11:09] <Tigerstein> its the latest Developer Edition of SolEx
[13:12:35] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[13:13:12] *** Gekz has joined #opensolaris
[13:14:22] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[sleep]
[13:19:27] *** bunker has quit IRC
[13:35:38] *** logic has joined #opensolaris
[13:39:10] <logic> hi, anybody here who has tried the alpha release of zfs-crypto?
[13:39:15] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[13:39:33] <logic> i did the bfu install, after the reboot, i cant seem to import my current zpool's :(
[13:41:21] *** dnilsson has joined #opensolaris
[13:41:23] *** Tigerstein has quit IRC
[13:41:34] *** Yaksha has quit IRC
[13:41:42] *** Yaksha has joined #opensolaris
[13:42:14] <JWheeler> yikes, a 1GB core file
[13:50:15] *** Kush- has quit IRC
[13:53:41] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[13:54:15] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:00:30] <flyingparchment> when i try to mount an NFS filesystem from my linux server with nfs4, i get "No such file or directory".  with nfs3 (-o vers=3), it works fine.  what am i missing?
[14:01:19] <trygvis> nfs doain shit
[14:01:26] <trygvis> err, "domain shit"
[14:01:36] <flyingparchment> idmapd and whatever?
[14:01:54] <trygvis> nah, but both boxes has to use the same nfsv4 domain
[14:04:01] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris
[14:04:09] <flyingparchment> hom can i check that?
[14:04:46] <trygvis> I think you can set it under /etc/default/nfs
[14:05:17] <trygvis> yeah, /etc/default/nfs
[14:05:18] <flyingparchment> hmm, this is for jumpstart, so maybe i need to change it on the server.. or just force it to use v3
[14:05:23] <trygvis> NFSMAPID_DOMAIN
[14:10:46] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris
[14:11:17] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[14:11:18] <jteo> re.
[14:12:49] *** tigerstein has joined #opensolaris
[14:13:18] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris
[14:13:30] *** logic has quit IRC
[14:14:19] *** mcnamarabrian has joined #opensolaris
[14:16:55] *** libkeiser has quit IRC
[14:17:04] *** logic has joined #opensolaris
[14:17:29] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris
[14:18:55] *** mcnamarabrian has quit IRC
[14:26:48] <trygvis> what is the "correct" way to add /opt/csw/bin for all users on a system?
[14:27:10] *** dnilsson has quit IRC
[14:27:13] <trygvis> err, that is /etc/default/login
[14:27:20] <trygvis> but what about MANPATH?
[14:27:28] <trygvis> in /etc/profile?
[14:29:11] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC
[14:29:21] <flyingparchment> okay, got it.. found out how to make linux not offer nfsv4
[14:32:38] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[14:36:44] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[14:41:37] *** kaiwai has joined #opensolaris
[14:42:57] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[14:43:10] *** kaiwai has quit IRC
[14:44:15] *** kaiwai has joined #opensolaris
[14:45:13] <kaiwai> hmm
[14:46:02] *** virgee has quit IRC
[14:47:55] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[14:49:20] <jteo> hmm?
[14:52:19] <kaiwai> nothing, just hmm'ing my satisified state of seeing xchat compile nicely :)
[14:55:03] <kaiwai> hmm, something wrong with B75?
[15:01:08] *** sioraiocht is now known as sior|away
[15:05:35] *** Gekz[sleep] is now known as Gekz[PDA]
[15:07:27] *** l1s has joined #opensolaris
[15:08:03] <l1s> woohow, i installed openspolaris successfull
[15:08:19] <trygvis> \o/
[15:10:42] *** Gekz[PDA] is now known as Gekz
[15:10:58] *** Gekz is now known as Gekz[PDA]
[15:22:55] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[15:24:59] <jteo> egads i'm still on b61.
[15:35:45] *** doof has joined #opensolaris
[15:35:49] <doof> hi
[15:37:02] *** palowoda has quit IRC
[15:37:16] <l1s> hi
[15:37:30] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris
[15:37:37] <l1s> hm, isnt there kde installed for opensolaris?!?
[15:38:29] *** hspaans has joined #opensolaris
[15:38:33] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[15:42:54] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris
[15:43:09] <quasi> l1s: it is available on the software companion iirc
[15:47:51] *** medar_ has quit IRC
[15:50:23] *** medar has joined #opensolaris
[15:53:14] <l1s> ?!?
[15:53:18] <l1s> on the dvd?
[15:54:09] *** Fish- has quit IRC
[15:54:47] <jamesd> you need the software companion dvd
[15:54:55] <jamesd> or get it from blastwave.org
[15:54:56] <l1s> and how do i change the hosntame? simply in /etc/hosts?
[15:55:07] <jamesd> or perhaps  solaris.kde.org
[15:55:12] <l1s> ah, ok thanks
[15:55:44] <jamesd> lls easiest way is to  do  sys-unconfig, and then it will walk you through the setup of the hostname and networking, takes 5 minutes
[16:01:33] *** victori_ has quit IRC
[16:03:06] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[16:06:30] <l1s> how do i disable that carbus warning?!? i cant select anything
[16:07:44] <kaiwai> l1s: did you get B71 installed in the end?
[16:07:51] <l1s> b70
[16:08:21] <l1s> but i cant select anything
[16:08:32] <l1s> how can i stop the installprocedure?
[16:08:42] <kaiwai> the latest KDE will be available when KDE 4.0 is released
[16:08:49] <l1s> strg+c does not work
[16:08:55] <kaiwai> l1s: what can't you select?
[16:09:03] <l1s> anything
[16:09:12] <l1s> becouse the warning message destroys my screen every second
[16:09:14] <kaiwai> for what?
[16:09:26] <l1s> warning: odd cardbuss detected
[16:09:27] <kaiwai> are you running and installer for solaris?
[16:09:37] <l1s> i did sys-unconfig
[16:09:43] <l1s> becouse i wanted to change my hostname
[16:10:06] <l1s> but i cant select anything in the menu, becouse the warning message destroys the menu
[16:10:57] <trygvis> press control-L to refresh the screen
[16:11:10] <l1s> doesn ot work
[16:11:22] <trygvis> or f5/esc-5 to go to the help menu and back
[16:11:52] *** tcuji`e has joined #opensolaris
[16:12:05] <l1s> does not work either
[16:12:07] <l1s> i reinstall
[16:12:24] <trygvis> just echo the hostname you want into /etc/nodename an reboot
[16:12:25] <kaiwai> pressed f2?
[16:13:11] <kaiwai> I wonder whether I should go back to using CDE
[16:14:09] <trygvis> blastwave has fluxbox/blackbox IIRC
[16:14:20] <trygvis> if you want something simple/minimalistic
[16:14:48] <kaiwai> trygvis: well, its just that opensound/gnome integration is so shit
[16:15:14] <kaiwai> I've ended up resorting to use the commandline tools to record/play things
[16:16:49] <trygvis> I use mpd, yay
[16:16:56] <trygvis> ncmpc ftw
[16:17:12] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:18:50] <kaiwai> grrr
[16:21:43] <kaiwai> I hate that term ftw
[16:21:55] <kaiwai> it should be something that qualifies for the death penalty
[16:25:27] <jteo> i hate that too.
[16:26:56] <kaiwai> its right up there with 'pwned'
[16:27:36] *** aramdune has joined #opensolaris
[16:31:09] *** tigerstein has quit IRC
[16:34:07] *** Gekz[PDA] is now known as iamsthithas_face
[16:34:25] *** iamsthithas_face is now known as Gekz[PDA]
[16:35:12] *** palowoda has quit IRC
[16:35:25] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris
[16:48:06] *** hspaans has quit IRC
[16:48:56] *** Gekz[PDA] is now known as Gekz[sleep]
[16:48:57] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris
[16:50:08] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris
[16:55:37] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris
[16:59:43] <sickness> what about the status of sata framework support for nVidia MCP51 ? ck804 works like a charm, I used to though they were the same =)
[17:02:23] <quasi> sickness: shouldn't there be support in one of the latest sxce?
[17:03:29] <quasi> sickness: in b72
[17:03:47] <quasi> ehrm, no - seems to ne for mcp55
[17:06:32] <sickness> yeah, only ck804
[17:06:39] <sickness> no mcp51
[17:06:46] <sickness> anyway, I'll wait I'm just curious :)
[17:07:38] <quasi> oh well, I won't rush in upgrading then
[17:07:53] *** deather_ is now known as deather
[17:14:57] *** JWheeler has quit IRC
[17:15:31] *** Nishaway has quit IRC
[17:19:48] *** mugi__ has joined #opensolaris
[17:29:31] *** virgee has joined #opensolaris
[17:30:55] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris
[17:41:09] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris
[17:47:38] *** toblun has quit IRC
[17:51:14] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris
[17:54:52] <kaiwai> hi Kush
[17:55:15] <kaiwai> :o running Windows!
[17:57:42] <trygvis> kaiwai FTW!
[17:59:00] * kaiwai attacks trygvis with a chocolate fish
[17:59:24] <trygvis> here, have some lutefisk!
[18:00:55] <kaiwai> bah
[18:01:03] <kaiwai> iirc there is a holiday in china
[18:02:13] *** troff has joined #opensolaris
[18:02:16] <jteo> it's a whole week actually.
[18:02:40] <kaiwai> yeah, got a mate over there working in trade/finance - worked on the weekend to make up for the time off
[18:02:47] <jteo> smashing.
[18:03:05] <kaiwai> told him to go out, relax, get laid - too bad his parents were there it cramp his style :P
[18:03:47] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #opensolaris
[18:04:04] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC
[18:05:45] <jteo> career choices. -sigh-
[18:06:37] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis
[18:09:25] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris
[18:14:31] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[18:15:19] * delewis knows the feeling, as he accepted a job offer last week
[18:16:12] <kaiwai> delewis: congratulations on the job
[18:16:19] <delewis> kaiwai: thanks.
[18:16:31] <kaiwai> turn on the delewis charm I bet - Solaris related I assume?
[18:16:34] <delewis> it'll be my first, full-time job outside of contracting, which I don't consider full-time.
[18:16:35] *** asyd has quit IRC
[18:16:55] <kaiwai> ah, so it'll be a stable full time job?
[18:17:25] <delewis> kaiwai: I wouldn't say completely Solaris-related, but Solaris and more generally, Sun, helped a lot during the interview.
[18:17:58] <delewis> sort of. I'm contracted to be full-time, but the position is contract-to-hire, so hopefully, when my contract is up, they'll hire me.
[18:18:16] <kaiwai> ah, cool, well, it'll all work out good in the end; I'm sure you've got what they need, and they'll take you on full time
[18:18:51] <delewis> they have a decent retention of contractors, so I'm not that worried about it. :-)
[18:19:11] <kaiwai> ah, good, good, and the company is pretty stable I assume
[18:19:18] <kaiwai>  it isn't a GM or a chrysler
[18:19:34] <delewis> in any case, I was choosing between graduate school, looking elsewhere, or taking this job, which has excellent pay for someone with zero (well, approximately zero) work experience and fresh out of school (not even that, I still have two more months)
[18:19:50] <kaiwai> ah, doing some tutorial work at a polytech?
[18:19:57] <delewis> kaiwai: FedEx Global Services (the branch of FedEx that provides IT services to FedEx Ground, Freight, etc.)
[18:20:31] <kaiwai> delewis: cool. I could never understand how Sun could associate themselves with the likes of GM though
[18:20:46] <delewis> FedEx is a fairly large Sun and HP (yes, HP customer)
[18:21:01] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman
[18:21:07] <delewis> not quite sure how HP made their own in, but oh well. :-)
[18:21:23] <delewis> s/own/way/
[18:21:47] <kaiwai> hmm, the same reason why Air New Zealand sources from Airbus and Boeing
[18:22:05] <kaiwai> leverage
[18:23:13] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[18:23:33] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[18:24:12] <jteo> delewis: congrats on landing the job.
[18:24:13] <kaiwai> unfortunately leverage doesn't work with sun
[18:24:15] <jteo> wb jmcp.
[18:24:31] <kaiwai> won't be jmcp as it is 3:00am in aussie
[18:24:37] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[18:24:38] <kaiwai> auto-reconnect
[18:26:25] <kaiwai> that and agressively persuing contracts
[18:26:26] <jteo> i suspected as much.
[18:27:01] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris
[18:28:25] <delewis> jteo: thanks.
[18:29:59] *** mega has quit IRC
[18:31:49] *** asyd has quit IRC
[18:32:48] <kaiwai> delewis: I guess good things happen in pairs, I got an A for my terrorism essay
[18:33:16] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[18:34:35] <jteo> job searching. ergh.
[18:35:34] <kaiwai> jteo: you are? what type of job are you looking at?
[18:36:34] <jteo> kaiwai: long and complicated story. i'm just browsing to see what is available.
[18:36:41] <kaiwai> ah
[18:36:53] <kaiwai> poor guy, you're in singapore
[18:37:27] <jteo> kaiwai: thanks for the encouragement. ;)
[18:37:43] <kaiwai> well, its a completely debauchery free zone :(\
[18:37:52] <kaiwai> I need my debauchery!
[18:38:24] <jteo> won't coffee suffice?
[18:39:24] <kaiwai> no :P
[18:39:38] *** dmesg has joined #opensolaris
[18:39:43] <dmesg> hi dudes
[18:40:02] <kaiwai> worse still, surrounded by cute guys left, right and centre; and the government breathing down my neck; nope, I'd sooner stay here :)
[18:40:08] <dmesg> does the sun netra t1 105 has 2 network interfaces?
[18:40:09] <kaiwai> hi dmesg
[18:40:21] *** troff has quit IRC
[18:41:13] <trygvis> dmesg: yes
[18:41:42] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[18:42:01] <dmesg> trygvis ahh ok, i want it for some sun thinclients
[18:42:25] <dmesg> so i think it will work ok rigth?
[18:43:49] <kaiwai> someone needs to update the staroffice 8 bundle with solaris
[18:44:17] <dmesg> yes
[18:44:56] <dmesg> any one speak germany?
[18:45:03] <kaiwai> nope
[18:45:13] <kaiwai> you engrish not all that good? :P
[18:45:33] <kjetilho> we speak Great Britain here.  some even speak New Zealand
[18:45:52] <dmesg> i dont care about my english, i care about my unix xD
[18:46:23] <kaiwai> aww
[18:46:28] * kaiwai hugs dmesg's unix
[18:46:47] <dmesg> ;)
[18:48:14] <l1s> hm, can someone tell me why opensolaris does not include a kde release?
[18:48:22] <l1s> is kde insecure or what is the reason?
[18:49:09] <kaiwai> nope
[18:49:16] <kaiwai> because Sun's chosen desktop is GNOME
[18:49:31] <l1s> ah, ok and where is the javadesktop?
[18:49:42] <dmesg> the reason is that solaris is mostly for server services, u dont need wm for that
[18:49:48] <kaiwai> however there are munskins and hermits working behind the scenes to get KDE 4.0 working with Solaris/Studio 11 so when it is released, its all blessed
[18:49:56] <dmesg> and kde is very big
[18:49:59] <kaiwai> l1s: JDS is included with Solaris by default
[18:50:12] <kaiwai> l1s: you should be running it right now
[18:50:25] <l1s> hm ok, i try to select it
[18:50:32] <kaiwai> dmesg: no bigger than kde IMHO
[18:50:35] <l1s> need some time to finish the installation..
[18:50:58] <kaiwai> l1s: when you first login you choose between CDE and GNOME
[18:51:08] <l1s> yes
[18:51:21] <h3sp4wn> With regards to that if I have only one box (I have access to a linux box over the internet but I really don't fancy jumpstarting like that) how can I install SXCE without gnome (I want CDE and the sysv headers and what I need for sun studio/staroffice)
[18:51:25] <l1s> but there wasnt a selection for javadesktop
[18:51:43] <h3sp4wn> (I will compile xfce probably but cde is fine for the time being)
[18:52:21] <l1s> jub, i also like cde, but i wanted to try the javadesktop
[18:52:40] <axisys> my in.dhcpd shows disable on sunray server.. do I need to enable it
[18:53:28] <kaiwai> l1s: GNOME is JDS and JDS is GNOME
[18:53:38] <l1s> ?!?
[18:53:41] <axisys> most users got there session.. but three so far I know still showing 26D
[18:53:41] <kaiwai> JDS is Suns branded GNOME
[18:53:45] <h3sp4wn> l1s: afaik gnome is the java desktop (except its newer and more sluggish) the one in Solaris 10 is nicer
[18:54:02] <l1s> ah
[18:54:49] <l1s> jds is gnome changed to suns needs?
[18:55:06] <kaiwai> yeap
[18:55:14] <l1s> or could it run jds on any system and linux?
[18:55:18] <kaiwai> the same way which Red Hat branded GNOME
[18:55:43] <kaiwai> and SuSE branded GNOME too
[18:55:53] <l1s> and where can the jds sources be downloaded?
[18:56:07] <kaiwai> look on the opensolaris website
[18:56:15] <l1s> cool, thanks
[18:56:16] <kaiwai> everything is there
[18:56:32] <l1s> jub, i just need to read the manual now...
[18:56:33] <kaiwai> love, passion, intrigue and the meaning of life
[18:58:01] <kaiwai> off to bed, good night
[18:58:31] <l1s> nite
[18:58:54] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[19:05:47] *** aramdune has left #opensolaris
[19:17:01] *** LeftWing has quit IRC
[19:17:41] *** baijiutong has quit IRC
[19:18:47] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:19:15] *** palowoda has quit IRC
[19:19:28] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:22] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:29] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[19:22:47] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris
[19:24:40] *** kUdtiHaEX has joined #opensolaris
[19:27:32] *** jonkri has joined #opensolaris
[19:29:00] *** Yaksha has quit IRC
[19:33:29] *** Yaksha has joined #opensolaris
[19:35:46] *** deather has quit IRC
[19:37:40] *** mugi__ has quit IRC
[19:38:27] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris
[19:43:04] <doof> does someone use wireless laser mouse with opensolaris ? keyboard work  but not mouse
[19:44:05] <dmesg> :P
[19:44:34] <Pietro_S> doof: nearly everyone
[19:44:53] <Pietro_S> doof: did you check battery in your mouse?
[19:46:57] <doof> Pietro_S: yes it work. On linux it's work very well. i dont have problem. on opensolaris, it find microsoft wireless receiver on which keyboard is connected ,but not find mouse
[19:47:31] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[19:49:07] *** palowoda has quit IRC
[19:49:32] <Pietro_S> doof: in installer or after installation - which version, ...
[19:49:40] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris
[19:50:17] <Pietro_S> maybe autodetection choice bad protocol for mouse - the microsoft's ones use some MS protocol ...
[19:55:19] <Pietro_S> doof: I would suggest to bump xorg.conf and take look there in InputDevice section for your mouse, and play a bit with protocols
[19:55:43] <kUdtiHaEX> i have MS wireless mouse
[19:55:47] <kUdtiHaEX> it worked great
[20:04:11] *** kaiwai has quit IRC
[20:06:45] *** solsTiCe has joined #opensolaris
[20:10:25] *** virgee has quit IRC
[20:11:02] *** rubymonk has joined #opensolaris
[20:18:24] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris
[20:21:41] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris
[20:23:49] <FastJack> whoa! this is what I have been looking for to build my own homebrew NAS. http://www.norcotek.com/DS-520.php
[20:24:24] <FastJack> just put solaris on the cf and have all hard disks in a raidz
[20:24:55] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[20:26:54] <doof> kUdtiHaEX: what driver do you use ?
[20:27:06] *** klepto has quit IRC
[20:27:17] *** karrotx has quit IRC
[20:27:22] *** dmesg has left #opensolaris
[20:27:37] <kjetilho> FastJack: hmm, isn't 1 GHz a bit slow for ZFS?
[20:27:45] <Bartman007> FastJack: in my experience Norco SATA trays suck.  I have never been able to mount a drive with all four screws in a tray.
[20:28:07] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[20:28:40] <Bartman007> Norco equipment tends to be a lot cheaper than most server hardware, and it's fine hardware for the price you pay; but you get what you pay for.
[20:29:22] <kjetilho> very nice compact design, though
[20:29:31] <FastJack> It's supposed to be a home NAS. I want it to be small
[20:29:46] <kUdtiHaEX> doof: i don't know, default one in Solaris
[20:30:16] <FastJack> kjetilho: that's exactly the reason why I'd like to use it. unless someone points me to something better
[20:30:27] <kjetilho> 180 W PSU???  how can that be enough to run 5 drives?
[20:30:32] <kjetilho> (and CPU and RAM)
[20:30:46] <Bartman007> kjetilho: that should be more than enough.
[20:31:07] <kUdtiHaEX> kjetilho: that's enough for 5 drives
[20:31:08] <kjetilho> you'll have to stagger spinup, at least
[20:31:12] <Bartman007> it's a Pentium M based processor at 600mhz or 1Ghz.
[20:31:18] <FastJack> kjetilho: remember when computers hat 250W PSUs? today graphics cards eat up most power
[20:31:30] * jamesd waits untill someone starts selling  nas/san based on  opensolaris/zfs  mini-itx mother board,  and a few  sata drives is all it would take to beat all small  nas on the market.
[20:31:33] <Bartman007> figure each drive draws 1A @ 12V and 5V each.
[20:31:40] <kjetilho> a normal home computer doesn't have 5 drives  :)
[20:32:00] <kUdtiHaEX> kjetilho: it has :) mine :))
[20:32:01] <jteo> you'll probably want a 64bit capable cpu on that NAS.
[20:32:19] <Bartman007> 17W * 5 drives = 85W + no more than 30W for the mobo+CPU
[20:32:25] <jamesd> jteo, i'm sure that 64 bit  mini-itx will be out shortly.
[20:32:34] <jteo> jamesd: smashing. :)
[20:32:35] <Bartman007> looking at 115W
[20:32:52] <jteo> would a mini-itx have enough SATA ports?
[20:33:06] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: it's more than 30W for CPU & MoBo
[20:33:17] <kUdtiHaEX> i think he will reach about 150 W
[20:33:28] <Bartman007> kUdtiHaEX: that's an ULV Pentium M based processor.
[20:33:30] <jamesd> jteo, not sure, but some do come with a  pci slot, though a 1x pci-e slot would solve a lot of issues and by tiny as well.
[20:33:47] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: that motherboard with IGP is on 30W + CPU
[20:34:31] <FastJack> jteo: I've seen nano-itx with 4x sata
[20:34:37] <kjetilho> Bartman007: found a reference saying the Hitachi 400 GB draws 30 W at startup
[20:34:52] <kUdtiHaEX> and how much CPU will spend depends of it's load
[20:35:01] <kjetilho> but with staggered spin-up it's OK I guess
[20:35:27] <jteo> intriguing.
[20:35:37] <Bartman007> kUdtiHaEX: oh, didn't know it had IGP...
[20:36:15] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: if it doen't have, than 180W is not enough
[20:36:52] <kUdtiHaEX> but i prefer stronger PSU
[20:37:06] *** toblun has joined #opensolaris
[20:37:25] <kUdtiHaEX> for example i have 6 HDD, 2 GB of RAM and CPU @2.8 GHz on 380W PSU...
[20:37:28] <kUdtiHaEX> and it's not enough :)
[20:37:39] <Bartman007> kUdtiHaEX: P4 ?
[20:37:42] <kUdtiHaEX> C2D
[20:37:51] <Bartman007> what kind of GPU?
[20:37:58] <kUdtiHaEX> 7900gs
[20:38:10] <kUdtiHaEX> +1 SCSI PCI card & PCI audio
[20:38:11] <Bartman007> well, there you go.
[20:38:23] <kUdtiHaEX> yep
[20:38:38] <kUdtiHaEX> but that is not what he is trying to build :)
[20:39:03] <kjetilho> the 64-bit point is interesting, though -- how much faster is ZFS checksumming etc. with the new instructions?
[20:39:05] <Bartman007> exactly.  C2D + Mobo + GPU is > 200W alone.
[20:39:18] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: idle state: 160 W
[20:39:26] <kUdtiHaEX> my machine
[20:39:50] <kjetilho> kUdtiHaEX: remember a 380W PSU rarely can supply 380W.  it degrades with temperature
[20:40:07] <kjetilho> lots of cheap PSU waste a lot of juice internally
[20:40:15] <kUdtiHaEX> yes i know that fact
[20:40:17] <Bartman007> kUdtiHaEX: nVidia recommends 350W PSU with 22-23A on the 12v rail for your video card.
[20:40:33] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: well i'm not using low-end PSU
[20:40:53] <kUdtiHaEX> but i'm planning to a few more HDD
[20:40:59] <kUdtiHaEX> so i need stronger PSU
[20:41:13] <kUdtiHaEX> (but i'm planning to create a Solaris jubox) :D
[20:41:28] <kUdtiHaEX> *jukebox
[20:41:46] <FastJack> I just need a NAS to store all my porn and music ;)
[20:41:56] <kUdtiHaEX> me too :)
[20:42:21] <kUdtiHaEX> but i', wondering how solaris works with
[20:42:28] <kUdtiHaEX> i875 or i865 chipsets
[20:42:36] <kUdtiHaEX> MoBo based on these chipsetsd
[20:44:43] *** Gman has quit IRC
[20:53:33] *** iron_angel has joined #opensolaris
[20:55:34] <FastJack> hmm, that DS-520G costs $729. that's about 515 euros. I think I can live with that
[20:58:20] <kUdtiHaEX> not enough storage :)
[20:58:29] <kUdtiHaEX> (520G = 520 Gb?_
[20:59:07] <jamesd> i got a 500GB drive "new" 8MB cache 7200 rpm  sata drive for $130 with a 5 year warranty.....
[20:59:08] <FastJack> no. 5x sata + 3x esata. you can put any drives in it you like
[20:59:30] <kUdtiHaEX> mmm
[20:59:30] <FastJack> kUdtiHaEX: http://www.norcotek.com/DS-520.php
[20:59:34] <kUdtiHaEX> is it fanless?
[20:59:43] <FastJack> G = gbit ethernet
[20:59:51] <kUdtiHaEX> let me check
[20:59:54] <kjetilho> fanless, with five disks in it?  that's a bit optimistic, isn't it?
[20:59:56] <kUdtiHaEX> uuu this looks mean
[20:59:57] <Bartman007> 5x SATA in that enclosure, I sure hope it has a fan.
[21:00:03] <kUdtiHaEX> <kjetilho> fanless, with five disks in it?  that's a bit optimistic, isn't it? - nope
[21:00:28] <Bartman007> kUdtiHaEX: heat is the enemy of rotating drives.
[21:01:00] <kjetilho> Bartman007: actually there's a Google study about the influence of temperature on drive lifetimes
[21:01:36] <kjetilho> they found that high temperatures exposed the bad drives earlier, but that good drives would handle 50-60 degrees fine
[21:01:43] <kjetilho> (Celcius, of course)
[21:01:51] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[21:02:50] <kUdtiHaEX> Bartman007: i know... but in theory you can :)
[21:03:42] <kjetilho> still, you'd need a much more spacious box to pull it off, I'm sure
[21:04:27] <kjetilho> or a well controlled ambient temperature (a home server in a closet will have to withstand 30 degrees ambient in Summer)
[21:05:06] <kUdtiHaEX> well, one 12cm fan on 7V should do the trick
[21:07:13] <FastJack> yeah one bit slow moving fan is better than a dozen small fast moving ones. the bigger the better :)
[21:07:44] <kUdtiHaEX> :)
[21:09:55] *** paulf has joined #opensolaris
[21:10:30] <paulf> Hello
[21:11:26] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris
[21:11:43] <iron_angel> Hmm, I wonder if the DS-520G could run Solaris... ZFS seems to be a good fit for that kind of thing.
[21:11:44] *** deedaw has quit IRC
[21:12:44] <FastJack> iron_angel: they claim it can run windows, linux and bsd. and since it's just a pentium m I see no reason why it couldn't
[21:15:38] * iron_angel nods
[21:15:49] <iron_angel> I might have to try that...
[21:16:06] <iron_angel> Though I've already got most of the stuff to turn my Blade 2000 into a low-rent storage server.
[21:16:55] <FastJack> I think the DS-520G makes more sense as a home NAS.
[21:17:05] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris
[21:18:04] <FastJack> and 515 euros doesn't sound that bad. though customs might want their share :-/
[21:18:04] <iron_angel> This is true.
[21:21:07] *** solsTiCe has left #opensolaris
[21:24:00] <iron_angel> hmm, I also need to de-brick this U80.
[21:24:17] <iron_angel> that RAM riser card was designed by Mephistopheles.
[21:26:14] <jteo> suffering does wonders for the soul.
[21:26:57] *** boyd has quit IRC
[21:27:16] *** Drone has quit IRC
[21:28:01] <delewis> yes, the riser boards on the E420R and Ultra 80 are a pain to work with.
[21:29:37] <iron_angel> mine has a buggered retaining screw on one side, so I have to fudge the correct tightness. If I get it wrong, no workie.
[21:29:50] <iron_angel> I should probably just rebuild it with some epoxy.
[21:30:22] *** blindfish has quit IRC
[21:31:20] <delewis> looks like I might get around to upgrading to a newer Solaris Express release on my laptop today.
[21:33:28] <sickness> iconv: conversion from UTF-8 to 646 unsupported <- I just updated my blastwave packages and I get this whenever I use mplayer, should I reboot?
[21:38:01] <trygvis> sickness: odd
[21:38:04] <trygvis> mplayer from blastwave?
[21:38:49] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris
[21:39:04] <sickness> yeah
[21:39:09] <sickness> or maybe is an xterm86 problem?
[21:39:15] <trygvis> which version?
[21:39:32] <sickness> anyway I see this every line that mplayer prints to the terminal (program works fine otherwise)
[21:39:35] <trygvis> if you set your locale to something else that might change things
[21:40:02] <sickness> $ mplayer
[21:40:02] <sickness> iconv: conversion from UTF-8 to 646 unsupported
[21:40:02] <sickness> MPlayer 1.0rc1-3.4.5 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
[21:40:22] <sickness> my locale is not set, I never set it I always leave C or ascii 7bit
[21:40:23] <l1s> hm, someone told me to grab a companion dvd with kde on it, whre to get it?!? i searched the blastwave page but i cant find a downloadlink for a dvd image anywhere
[21:40:37] *** cypromis has quit IRC
[21:40:42] <trygvis> right,, that is what 646 is
[21:40:43] <trygvis> or what, kjetilho?
[21:42:33] <sickness> so I screwed my system? :/
[21:43:09] <trygvis> no, but it sounds like the iconv lib is missing some support
[21:43:58] <sickness> :|
[21:44:13] <jamesd_> lls you should avoid the companion disk if you like using software versions updated in  this century.....
[21:44:13] <trygvis> ask JWheeler, he's the mplayer maintainer
[21:44:58] <e^ipi> l1s: steleman's 3.4 packages are at solaris.kde.org
[21:45:22] <e^ipi> kde4 builds with gcc, they're working on getting it working with studio
[21:45:31] *** CIA-26 has quit IRC
[21:45:52] <delewis> jamesd_: it isn't *that* bad. I mostly use it for things like rxvt, emacs, etc., where the latest version is meaningless for the most part.
[21:47:20] <jamesd_> delewis, but grabbing a full cd for  10 Mb of software thinking you are going to get a usable version of kde is just wrong to subject a newbie too.
[21:47:34] <delewis> oh, sure. :-)
[21:47:49] <iron_angel> is there a list of which sound cards work right with Solaris somewhere?
[21:47:54] <sickness> tnx
[21:47:59] <sickness> JWheeler: you here? =)
[21:48:00] <jamesd_> iron_angel, sun.com/bigadmin/hcl
[21:48:27] <iron_angel> cool, thanks.
[21:48:32] <e^ipi> plus the OSS cards
[21:50:05] <iron_angel> ah, yeah, that seems to be the catch for the Revolution 7.1. And something about the built-in volume control causing kernel panics... which is not good.
[21:50:21] <iron_angel> still, the onboard crystal stuff on most SPARCs is fairly good, though.
[21:50:52] <delewis> the CS42xx and CS43xx chipsets are extremely common.
[21:51:14] <delewis> usually for embedded sound in laptops and workstations.
[21:51:35] <kjetilho> sickness: sounds like your mplayer is build with a separate iconv library
[21:52:00] <kjetilho> sickness: in Solaris, you don't need -liconv, it's built into libc.
[21:52:23] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[21:53:08] <sickness> kjetilho: I simply upgraded it from blastwave, worked fine before (still works fine, it just tell this warning every line)
[21:53:43] <kjetilho> check with ldd on the binary
[21:54:03] <kjetilho> if it's linked with a separate libiconv, file a bug
[21:54:54] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[21:56:42] <doof> my problem is not xorg but hid driver. It see the wireless receiver, the keyboard but not mouse
[21:57:00] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris
[21:58:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o asyd
[21:58:44] <sickness> tnx
[22:00:14] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[22:00:49] *** mikefut has left #opensolaris
[22:03:35] *** CIA-26 has joined #opensolaris
[22:03:51] <toblun> Dose anyony know if the october release of Indiana will be public?
[22:08:57] *** jeanBlack has quit IRC
[22:14:27] <trygvis> I don't get this.. for some reason I can't set quotas from within a zone
[22:14:33] <trygvis> (on a dataset tht I've delegated to the zone)
[22:15:34] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[22:16:48] *** Berny_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:17:32] <e^ipi> toblun: I think they mean next october
[22:18:08] *** Berny has quit IRC
[22:19:06] <trygvis> dude, stop being such an ass
[22:19:17] <e^ipi> ?
[22:19:22] <e^ipi> how is that being an ass?
[22:19:24] <trygvis> yes, you
[22:19:38] <e^ipi> isn't it next october?
[22:20:01] <toblun> No, it this year.
[22:20:07] <toblun> it is even
[22:20:09] <e^ipi> okay, I stand corrected
[22:21:05] <g4lt-mordant> you're sitting...
[22:22:22] <jteo> touche.
[22:30:03] <l1s> hm, does opensolaris own ext2 compatibilty by default?
[22:30:17] <l1s> owns
[22:30:19] <trygvis> no
[22:30:48] <l1s> mhhh, do you recommend the belenix package?
[22:30:56] <trygvis> haven't tried it
[22:30:58] <e^ipi> there's an ext2 driver out there for s10 which theoretically should work for nevada
[22:31:27] <jmcp> morning all
[22:31:34] <l1s> k, thanks
[22:31:43] <l1s> but where to get the solaris companion dvd?
[22:32:28] <jmcp> l1s: did you try sun.com/downloads?
[22:32:38] <l1s> hm, no
[22:32:53] <jmcp> gimme a sec, I'll find a url for you
[22:34:25] <l1s> jmcp you meant this one http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/index.xml
[22:34:50] <jmcp> that'll be close
[22:34:59] <jmcp> you're running SX{CD}E ?
[22:35:05] <l1s> but its for solaris 10
[22:35:26] <l1s> ?!? what is that?
[22:35:40] <jmcp> Solaris Express {Developer|Community} Edition
[22:35:47] <l1s> ah, yes
[22:36:16] <paulf> I was curious, does anybody know of a way to verify if power management is actually slowing down my CPUs?
[22:36:46] <jmcp> l1s: you'd probably find http://dlc.sun.com/osol/companion/downloads/current/ more useful
[22:36:53] <sickness> libiconv.so.2 =>         /opt/csw/lib/i386/libiconv.so.2
[22:37:04] <sickness> this is what iconv blastwave's mplayer is linked to...
[22:37:29] <trygvis> file a bug then, sickness
[22:38:12] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[22:41:38] <l1s> ?!? there is a solaris 10 version out?!?
[22:41:42] <sickness> mmm
[22:41:47] <sickness> I'll try tnx :)
[22:41:48] <l1s> whats the difference between opensolaris and the solaris 10 version?
[22:42:30] *** Gropi has quit IRC
[22:43:48] <l1s> or where can i read about the differences?!?
[22:43:56] <jmcp> l1s: finding you a url
[22:43:57] <jmcp> ....
[22:44:17] <l1s> hm i just read at wikipedia
[22:45:08] <jmcp>    http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i, and then          http://whacked.net/2007/03/01/opensolarissolaris-relationships-updated/
[22:45:13] <l1s> but there is nothing about the difference
[22:45:24] <l1s> thanks
[22:46:36] <l1s> is there sourcecode for solaris 10?
[22:46:46] <jmcp> it's not freely available
[22:47:11] <jmcp> ie, you have to sign mega-scary agreements and (iirc) pay lotsamoola for the right to look at it
[22:47:20] *** cygnusecks has joined #opensolaris
[22:47:22] <l1s> ah
[22:47:26] * jmcp gets annoyed with the execs talk about s10 being opensource
[22:47:30] *** bunker has quit IRC
[22:47:42] <jmcp> l1s: OpenSolaris is much newer, and uber-133ter than Solaris 10
[22:47:45] <jmcp> :)
[22:47:54] <l1s> ?!?
[22:48:02] <l1s> uper-133ter?
[22:48:26] <l1s> ok, its newer, and the work of opensolaris is build into the solaris 10?!? true?
[22:48:31] <jmcp> kinda
[22:48:45] <l1s> but mainly the 2 distributions of solaris are on their own
[22:48:53] <jmcp> some features from OpenSolaris / Solaris Express /... are backported to Solaris 10
[22:48:58] <l1s> but sund tells tests booth of the?!? true?
[22:49:02] <l1s> sun
[22:49:07] <jmcp> yes, they've diverged a lot
[22:49:28] <l1s> k
[22:49:29] <jmcp> Sun doesn't sell Solaris 10 or Solaris Express, they're free to download. It's support that you pay for
[22:49:36] <l1s> anyway who cares if solaris is free and opensource
[22:49:43] <jmcp> lots of people, apparently
[22:50:02] <l1s> would be stupid from sun to release sourcecode for a system that makes them a marked leader...
[22:50:12] <jmcp> speaking of licensing (as we were, kinda) - there's a very handy picture which summarises the licensing differences http://blogs.sun.com/chandan/entry/copyrights_licenses_and_cddl_illustrated
[22:50:17] <jmcp> l1s: why?
[22:50:25] <l1s> hmmm good question
[22:50:30] <jmcp> OpenSolaris makes Sun a market leader
[22:50:39] <jmcp> it took a *lot* of balls to make the decision to open it up
[22:50:44] <l1s> thought they released sourcecode and opensolaris was build out of that sources, right?
[22:50:52] <jmcp> pretty much
[22:50:56] <l1s> coool
[22:51:00] <jmcp> development continues with OpenSolaris
[22:51:01] <l1s> just what i wanted
[22:51:04] <l1s> so i stay with opensolaris
[22:51:05] <jmcp> tha'ts where the new features turn up first
[22:51:08] <jmcp> good idea
[22:51:12] <l1s> aaahaaaa!
[22:51:47] <l1s> well, then i take another nip from my sun coffee cup, and get back to working stuff...
[22:51:59] <l1s> ie. i need to implement ext2
[22:52:04] <jmcp> eeek
[22:52:14] <jmcp> istr that's been worked on before now
[22:52:26] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris
[22:52:29] <l1s> yes. but its work to install it...
[22:52:30] <l1s> :D
[22:52:31] <jmcp> good morning boyd
[22:52:42] <l1s> anyway who cares about ext2...
[22:52:48] <boyd> jmcp: Morning, jmcp
[22:52:57] <jmcp> l1s: people who want to see what it's like and keep their linux partitions
[22:53:10] <l1s> hmmmm
[22:53:15] <l1s> like me...
[22:53:26] <jmcp> l1s: did you find this link? http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mount_ntfs_ext2_ext3_in
[22:53:37] <l1s> no
[22:53:47] * l1s bookmarks
[22:53:48] <jmcp> that's from one of the belenix team
[22:54:04] <l1s> ya, i saw that text in a plain form...
[22:54:59] <l1s> and anyway, since i run solaris on a laptop it could be real handy to mount ntfs and ext2
[22:55:14] <jmcp> yup
[22:56:53] <l1s> haah, shaft has just sarted...
[22:57:10] <l1s> at tv...
[22:57:28] <boyd> jmcp: Great to see your putback come through
[22:57:31] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[22:57:42] <jmcp> boyd: thankyou
[22:57:53] <jmcp> I was relieved to finally get it in there
[22:58:02] <boyd> :)
[22:58:07] <bda> http://drewthaler.blogspot.com/2007/10/don-be-zfs-hater.html
[23:01:13] <boyd> "wrapping a GUI around its administration options and coming up with good default parameters will be an interesting trick" Hardly.
[23:01:24] <bda> Gruber is local. I have often wanted to find and smack him.
[23:02:35] *** wnorrix has joined #opensolaris
[23:03:22] <boyd> Most of the other points are not bad...
[23:04:20] <boyd> I wish I were more qualified to comment on the small files overhead comment
[23:04:36] <bda> That isn't Gruber ( http://daringfireball.net/ ). He was one of the guys who jumped on the MacBook wireless exploit story last year and called the researchers liars.
[23:04:56] <bda> Couple weeks ago their NDA went away and... his only comment was one of the guy's stockpile of firearms.
[23:05:19] <bda> Just annoyed me a lot.
[23:05:59] <boyd> Ok, better hit the road
[23:07:04] *** Fish- has quit IRC
[23:13:35] <l1s> ah i have another question
[23:13:38] <jmcp> shoot
[23:14:13] <l1s> is the source whitch was released from sun updated continously?
[23:14:56] <g4lt-mordant> well, weeklyish code drops
[23:15:04] <wnorrix> is there such as thing is a official opensolaris distro ?
[23:15:10] <l1s> ie. sun release source whitch opensolaris was made out of, then sun think about updates for that parts of the operating system, changes them and releases that changes to the public, is that made that way?
[23:15:30] <g4lt-mordant> fine, don't listen
[23:15:37] <l1s> booth opensolaris distros are tested from sun
[23:15:44] <wnorrix> which are ?
[23:15:49] <wnorrix> solairs express ?
[23:16:08] <wnorrix> solairis is making me feel like a n00b
[23:16:26] <wnorrix> only thing i can confident run is emacs and ls :)
[23:16:29] <jmcp> wnorrix: not really
[23:16:35] <l1s> g4lt-mordant ah ok so its updated from sun, cool thanks
[23:16:47] <l1s> g4lt-mordant and that source is the same used for solaris 10?
[23:17:16] <l1s> Solaris Express Community Edition is Sun's binary release for OpenSolaris developers ++ Solaris Express Developer Edition is Sun's tested release built from the OpenSolaris
[23:17:48] <g4lt-mordant> no, the sol10 sourcee is pretty much frozen except the updates, of which there have been 5 in the last two or so years
[23:18:12] <wnorrix> l1s: thanks
[23:18:23] <l1s> hm, and they want to release source for solaris 11 again?
[23:18:32] <wnorrix> where can i find the iso for Solaris Express Community Edition
[23:18:40] <quasi> g4lt-mordant: we're only on U4
[23:18:43] <wnorrix> Dont want to use their net downloader
[23:18:51] <l1s> www.opensolaris.org on top there is a download link
[23:19:02] <g4lt-mordant> quasi, shows how much I car^Wknow
[23:19:02] <l1s> or topic
[23:19:05] <wnorrix>  yup
[23:19:39] <l1s> you dont need to use their download application...
[23:19:49] <l1s> i get a smoke
[23:20:19] *** cygnusecks has quit IRC
[23:20:22] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[23:24:41] <iron_angel> though SDM isn't half bad.
[23:30:29] *** zassyu has joined #opensolaris
[23:33:10] *** ferret_0567 has joined #opensolaris
[23:37:39] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris
[23:38:43] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[23:43:19] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[23:47:19] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris
[23:48:26] <sickness> hi gisburn :)
[23:48:47] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[23:49:22] *** tcuji`e_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:49:59] <gisburn> sickness: Hi!
[23:50:24] <l1s> what cdrom formats does solaris know?
[23:50:29] <l1s> and where do i find documentation?
[23:50:31] <jmcp> iso9660
[23:50:36] <l1s> hmmmm
[23:50:36] <jmcp> and udfs
[23:51:00] <jmcp> if you check the output from "mount" when you've got a cd mounted, it'll show up as having a type of "hsfs"
[23:51:35] <l1s> and how do i mount a cd initially?
[23:51:48] <l1s> i tried the cde cd-rom application but it did not show anything
[23:52:36] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris
[23:52:36] <l1s> a documentation would be really cool
[23:52:44] <jmcp> if the rmvolmgr service is running, then your cd should be mounted under /media
[23:53:17] <l1s> hm, wait 2 secs
[23:55:58] *** hollenjf has joined #opensolaris
[23:56:09] <l1s> ya its running
[23:56:22] <l1s> windows shows the content without problems...
[23:56:25] <l1s> hmmm
[23:58:48] <hollenjf> i'm running the Sun Update Manager, it brings up the registration wizzard and freezed upon entering username/password
[23:59:19] *** jonkri has quit IRC





top