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[00:05:29] <jbk> heh the 'simplified' ldap library seems anything but...
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[00:39:11] <dugan> is opensolaris install supposed to take hours in vmware?
[00:40:18] <jamesd> yes.... as long as its proceeding its good... vmware makes disk io even slower...  and it probably has very limited memory as well
[00:41:17] <elektronkind> especially if it's reading off a ISO that's on the same disk you're installing to
[00:41:55] <dugan> yup, tha'ts the case.  Thanks
[00:42:56] <dugan> I've got a test box that someone else installed that I'm using on the side while I'm waiting for my vmware install to finish...a build I'm trying to do is failing because it can't find error.h.  Is that just supposed to be at /usr/include/error.h?  Am I missing a package?
[00:42:57] <LuckyLuke> I just found out this xVM stuff, I see it's based on Xen, but is it able to run other xen-compatible systems (read: xen version of the linux kernel) or it's a solaris-only thing?
[00:43:08] <flyingparchment> dugan: not errno.h?
[00:43:17] * dugan confirms
[00:43:24] <flyingparchment> lucky: afaik, it's completely xen-compatible.  it's just not called xen.
[00:43:34] <dugan> xmalloc.c:17:19: error.h: No such file or directory
[00:43:54] <sommerfeld> it closely resemblers a certain unnamable opensource x86 virtual machine in all ways but its name.
[00:44:11] <elektronkind> it's not called Xen for trademark reasons... so it is Xen, but in Solaris it has been name xVM
[00:44:47] <sommerfeld> it's named xVM because the people who hold the trademark on its real name don't understand how to make trademarks play nice with open source.
[00:46:35] <LuckyLuke> yeah I know the naming issue, it's just that nowhere I read about compatibility with the 'upstream' xen stuff.
[00:46:50] <dugan> no one has error.h on their opensolaris system?
[00:47:29] <elektronkind> it's /usr/include/errno.h
[00:47:57] <dugan> hm, ok
[00:48:28] <sommerfeld> very recent builds also have /usr/include/err.h
[00:48:33] * dugan has both on his linux system
[00:48:36] <dugan> provided by glibc
[00:48:45] * jmcp shudders
[00:48:46] <sommerfeld> glibc != POSIX
[00:49:14] <dugan> understood.  Thanks for your patience
[00:51:26] <flyingparchment> hmm, is 45MB/sec when creating a file with 'mkfile' fairly slow for an array of 6 15,000 rpm SCSI disks?
[00:51:33] <flyingparchment> (raid10)
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[00:53:45] <jamesd> depends on the scsi channels...
[00:54:37] <flyingparchment> pci-x raid card, U160 disks
[00:56:14] <LuckyLuke> well, mkfile isn't a disk benchmark, but I get better results on a raidz, with compression on, on 4 ide disks on two UDMA66 channels, on a 1.7GHz pentium4.
[00:56:17] <jamesd> but is it a 40MB/s scsi channel?
[00:56:28] <flyingparchment> U160 is 160MB/s, isn't it?
[00:56:37] <jmcp> yes
[00:56:47] <flyingparchment> lucky: yeah, i'm just looking at 'sane figure' vs 'one disk is broken' (which i suspect, but haven't identified which yet)
[00:56:48] <jmcp> sorry, "MegaTransfers Per Second"
[00:56:50] * jmcp pedants
[00:56:51] <jamesd> the disks may be  160.. but if the scsi channel is only 40.. you only get 40.
[00:57:06] <flyingparchment> jamesd: what scsi channel?  it's a pci-x card, there's no scsi between the card and the host
[00:57:15] <LuckyLuke> but I think compression helps here, since mkfile fills the file with zeroes
[00:57:44] <LuckyLuke> ls -l
[00:57:47] <LuckyLuke> sorry :)
[00:57:49] <jamesd> flyingparchment, scsi comes in many flavors... if they are scsi disks, they are connected  via scsi channel..
[00:58:00] <flyingparchment> jamesd: yes.  the card is U320-capable
[00:58:07] <sommerfeld> LuckyLuke: indeed.  mkfile on compressed zfs is an exercise in how fast zfs recognizes a buffer is all zero
[00:58:28] <sommerfeld> (zfs has a special case for all-zero blocks)
[00:59:26] <jamesd> all zero blocks are treated as sparse files...  and doesn't even allocate space for it...  i stored a  500GB file on a  10Gb zfs pool, it used about one disk block of space.
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[00:59:46] <elektronkind> jamesd, flyingparchment: those are burst numbers, anyway
[01:00:03] <jamesd> i know
[01:00:14] <elektronkind> treat them as "up to, in optimal times" numbers, not "constant, always" numbers :)
[01:00:32] <flyingparchment> i've seen more than 45MB over U160, so i'm going to say that isn't the bottleneck ;)
[01:00:48] <sommerfeld> with compression off, i'm seeing about 350MB/s writes to a pool of 4 x 6-disk raidz2 in 10krpm fcal disks.
[01:08:09] <elektronkind> 1 or 2 Gb FCAL?
[01:08:26] <elektronkind> or is it pln ? ;)
[01:09:02] * elektronkind still has a pluto adaptor kicking around somewhere
[01:09:09] <jmcp> pln is evilbadoldcrap
[01:09:13] <jbk> hmm.. ok if I'm adding a new externally visible function to a private library, should the version in the mapfile be incremented?
[01:12:17] <jbk> i'm adding support 'service authorization request' extended operation to libsldap -- you can ask the server that supports it 'can user X access service Y'
[01:13:24] <sommerfeld> elektronkind: 2Gb FCAL
[01:13:56] <sommerfeld> (connected to an X4600.  V890 doesn't do quite so well)
[01:15:40] <sommerfeld> jbk: the comment in usr/src/lib/libsldap/common/mapfile-vers looks self-explanatory to me.
[01:15:42] <elektronkind> sommerfeld: awesome
[01:15:51] <sommerfeld> just add your function to SUNWprivate_1.1
[01:16:05] <elektronkind> pln was something like 100Mb/s pre-FCAL protocol, wasn't it?
[01:16:28] <jmcp> 25Mb/sec
[01:16:38] <jmcp> and yes, it was prior to the original FC-AL proposal
[01:17:26] <sommerfeld> jmcp: stupid q: how much does 33mhz vs 66mhz pci matter for 2gbit fcal?
[01:17:53] <jmcp> bndwdth?
[01:18:01] <jmcp> that's all that springs to mind at the moment
[01:18:38] <jmcp> oh, and I think some of the hba manufacturers decided against putting 2Gb/sec FC capabilities into 33MHz pci cards
[01:19:31] <delewis> that's a good thing, right?
[01:19:43] <jmcp> probably
[01:19:44] <sommerfeld> unfortunately, the v890 only has two 66mhz slots.
[01:19:53] <delewis> from what I've seen out in the field, I'd only ever use FC with 66Mhz/64-bit HBAs.
[01:20:06] <delewis> (or higher)
[01:20:13] <jmcp> pci-e makes FC (and SAS) rock
[01:20:26] <delewis> is that 133MHz?
[01:20:32] * delewis always get PCI-X and PCI-E confused
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[01:20:42] <jmcp> pci-x is 133
[01:20:52] <jmcp> pci-e is new, 133t and uuuubercool
[01:20:53] <jmcp> :-)
[01:20:57] <delewis> ah. :-)
[01:21:16] <jmcp> pci-x slots look like 64bit/66MHz pci slots
[01:21:23] <delewis> right.
[01:21:26] <jmcp> pci-e are the really short slots, perhap 1-2" long
[01:21:30] <delewis> I knew one of them was a completely different form factor.
[01:21:43] <sommerfeld> well, there are a bunch of different widths of pci-e
[01:22:03] <sommerfeld> 1x, 4x, 8x, 16x, each with a different connector
[01:22:04] * delewis is trying to decide whether his new box should be an x4100, x4150, or second-hand loaded v480.
[01:22:13] <jmcp> sommerfeld: true, I was generalising heaps
[01:22:31] <elektronkind> delewis: what would you use it for?
[01:22:41] <sommerfeld> the aforementioned x4600 has pci-e fcal.
[01:22:52] <elektronkind> so it's an M2?
[01:22:53] <delewis> elektronkind: databases, primarily.
[01:23:30] <delewis> and phasing out my old Ultra 2 :-)
[01:24:00] <sommerfeld> no, the x4600 original.
[01:24:19] * elektronkind thought the original 4600 had... ah yes, you're right.
[01:24:22] <sommerfeld> (unlike the x4{1,2}00, the first rev of the x4600 has a mix of pci-e and pci-x)
[01:24:23] <elektronkind> I'm thinking of the 54200
[01:24:37] <elektronkind> er 41/200, yes
[01:25:22] <elektronkind> rev1 4100/200 had PCI-X only, and on the 4100, one was 100Mhz, the other was 133. Annoying.
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[01:30:45] <Doc> the X4600 used the same chipset mix as the X4100 M2
[01:30:55] <elektronkind> this illustrates the calibre of some of the profs in our CS dept:
[01:30:56] <elektronkind> "If someone could read your hard drive, how well encrypted is
[01:30:57] <elektronkind> the password stored in /private/etc/krb5.conf  ?
[01:30:57] <elektronkind> "
[01:31:01] <Doc> in effect it's an M2 system, it just wasnt named as one
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[01:31:36] <elektronkind> Doc: some variant of CK8-04?
[01:32:05] <Doc> nfi what CK8-04 is
[01:32:34] <jmcp> nvidia chipset
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[01:33:33] <dclarke> hello
[01:33:42] <dclarke> anyone here part of the pkg flail of joy ?
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[01:37:31] <brandini> good evening
[01:37:39] <dclarke> uh huh
[01:37:40] <elektronkind> hidey ho
[01:37:55] * brandini is trying to boot the DVD on his E450
[01:38:05] <brandini> but it just went ahead and booted right up for me :)
[01:38:43] <elektronkind> are you sure that a box as old as the 450 has a DVD reader in it, and not just a CDROM?
[01:38:58] <brandini> yeah, says DVD on it :)
[01:39:22] <jamesd> and are you sure you got the sparc version not the x86 one.
[01:39:26] <brandini> once it boots into the graphical login can't I just hit break and get back to where I need to boot?
[01:39:43] <jamesd> press   stop-a
[01:39:52] <brandini> aha!
[01:39:55] * brandini writes it down
[01:40:00] <elektronkind> boot cdrom - install
[01:40:05] <elektronkind> issue that at the ok prompt
[01:40:20] * brandini watches the power usage go up
[01:40:45] <brandini> between the E450 and the A1000 it's right around 360W
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[01:41:02] <brandini> and it's on the way up a little
[01:41:26] <jamesd> brandini, the bad news is that the  a1000 is not supported in solaris 10 and later...   better to just move all the disks from the a1000 to inside the e450... if possible
[01:41:49] <brandini> I'm going to put openbsd on it for the time being
[01:42:00] <brandini> and it's booting now!
[01:42:09] * jamesd sends his condolances... what a waste...
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[01:45:16] <delewis> OpenBSD doesn't even support multiple processors.
[01:45:24] <brandini> o.O
[01:45:40] <delewis> the E450 is a 4-way system.
[01:45:43] <bda> uh.
[01:45:45] <bda> Yes, it does.
[01:45:46] <delewis> kind of a waste don't you think?
[01:45:51] <elektronkind> obsd does do SMP
[01:45:52] <delewis> bda: not on SPARC, which is the subject.
[01:45:59] <bda> ah, right.
[01:46:00] <brandini> delewis: you're right
[01:46:13] <bda> Jumped in a little quick there. ;)
[01:46:14] <brandini> but if I was interested in CPU would I be using a sparc?
[01:46:29] <brandini> and how do you know I'm not working on SMP support?
[01:46:30] <brandini> :P
[01:47:03] <delewis> if you were working on SPARC SMP support, you'd understand that SPARC may be slow for single-threaded workloads, but for multi-threaded workloads, it's often faster.
[01:47:16] <delewis> which is why you want SMP support on a 4-way system.
[01:47:26] <brandini> Yay!
[01:48:20] <jamesd> the other question is why put obsd on a box that can have up to 20 disks installed.. and would make a killer zfs fileserver....
[01:48:41] * brandini tries to explain it
[01:49:21] <brandini> this is more of just a science experiment
[01:50:31] <jamesd> better to get a  u2 or u60 to run your experiment...  it may cost you $100, up front.. but it will pay for it self in 6 months in power savings.
[01:51:05] <brandini> I have a 220
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[01:52:21] <jamesd> so.. the power still costs...   and the u2 or u60 will use about 1/4 as much perhaps less.
[01:52:57] <brandini> jamesd: did you ever get that sil issue worked out?
[01:53:59] <jamesd> sil?
[01:54:27] <brandini> yeah, you were helping me out with some cheap sil adapter
[01:54:34] <brandini> I was setting up a SATA zfs system
[01:54:55] <brandini> it was getting the ID's confused or some such
[01:56:01] <jamesd> oh..  i don't own an sata adapter other than the one in my  u20, and the one that is in a x86 box not powerful enough to run solaris+zfs
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[02:20:43] <posgis> can anyone help me setup vnc on solaris? the IT guy set it up but i need vnc access quick
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[02:57:17] <flyingparchment> can a .1q vlan be an exclusive ip zone's interface?
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[02:58:11] <flyingparchment> (also, where is .1q documented?)
[03:00:17] <flyingparchment> heh, bge123001?  that's a horrible naming scheme..
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[03:37:11] <e^ipi> okay, so I just discovered why one leaves fresh roasted beans degas for a while
[03:37:19] <jmcp> your machine exploded?
[03:37:30] <e^ipi> i'm running it through a french press
[03:37:58] <e^ipi> i added a couple ounces of water and it frothed up to the middle of the press & started doing the guiness thing
[03:38:15] * jmcp whistles
[03:38:25] <jmcp> got a video camera?
[03:40:53] <e^ipi> no
[03:41:00] <jmcp> :(
[03:41:07] <jmcp> cos it would be great to see that on youtube
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[04:01:39] <jbk> hehe
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[04:07:48] <Silveira_Neto> There days I have tried my first attempt with solaris, with the distro Belenix. When I typed 'ls -la' in a terminal a got an error, but the comand ls exists and 'ls -la' works in all linux distros I know. What happened?
[04:08:29] <e^ipi> works for me
[04:08:43] <e^ipi> though I'm using SXCE
[04:08:48] <jmcp> Silveira_Neto: do you have "ls" aliased to something?
[04:09:14] <paulf> seems to work for me also
[04:09:21] <Silveira_Neto> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[04:09:26] <jmcp> yuck
[04:09:27] <Silveira_Neto> alias la='ls -la --color=auto'
[04:10:44] <Triskelios> hey, has anyone else noticed the ipp-listener apache service not working in snv_73?
[04:10:59] <Triskelios> [Sun Sep 30 22:09:14 2007] [error] Cannot remove module mod_ipp.c: not found in module list
[04:11:02] <jbk> Triskelios: yeah, known bug
[04:11:31] <Triskelios> is there a workaround?
[04:11:35] <jbk> there's a workaround
[04:11:40] <jbk> which i can't find
[04:12:45] <jbk> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/printing-discuss/2007-September/000598.html
[04:12:48] <jbk> there
[04:12:53] <jbk> that should fix it
[04:13:34] <Triskelios> thanks!
[04:14:23] <flyingparchment> does patch 126662-01 fix the kerberos vulnerability http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-103060-1, or not?
[04:14:39] <flyingparchment> the readme suggests it does, and it's marked as incompatible with the IDR, but the sun alert doesn't list that patch as a solution, only the idr
[04:38:22] <Silveira_Neto> People, I'm thinking in buying a notebook for me. I'll install Linux and Solaris on it. I tested Belenix in 3 machines this week and it worked in just one of them. So should I care about compatibity with Solaris? There's some brand to avoid?
[04:42:48] <paulf> I'm new to Solaris, but I'd guess that it's more about particular components than particular brands
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[04:44:02] <paulf> There is a hardware compatibility list at http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/, but unfortunately it can be tricky to find out exactly what components a vendor uses
[04:44:24] <jmcp> that's why we've got a device detection tool included in snv_70 and later
[04:44:37] <jmcp> that's SXDE 0907 iirc
[04:46:21] <paulf> I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to get sound working with the 3'rd party drivers
[04:46:50] <flyingparchment> since solaris doesn't change the kernel api every minor version, 3rd party drivers tend to work well
[04:47:10] <paulf> coming from a linux background, it was pretty shocking :)
[04:48:51] <paulf> part of my job is supporting tons of different flavors of linux, and the inconsistency between distributins and versions has become increasingly frustrating
[04:49:14] <paulf> I really hope that OpenSolaris can avoid that kind of fracturing
[04:49:19] <jmcp> that sort of bogosity ends up costing, literally, megabucks
[04:49:26] <delewis> paulf: imagine how difficult it is for a software vendor. :-)
[04:49:41] <flyingparchment> software vendors solved it by only supporting rhel ;)
[04:49:50] <hile_> Or Suse
[04:49:51] <jmcp> and even that cost too much
[04:49:59] <hile_> not that I blame them one bit for that
[04:50:13] <delewis> which spawned all the clueless lusers to ask "Why doesn't Oracle support my Shitware box?"
[04:50:21] <paulf> delewis: I work in a software development office, and I support the lab for them to test and develop on :)
[04:50:35] <delewis> paulf: must be hell. :-)
[04:50:47] <flyingparchment> delewis: although for XE, they actually provide an apt repository now, which i found kind of surprising
[04:50:50] <paulf> yeah, it can be rough :)
[04:50:56] <delewis> flyingparchment: yep
[04:51:31] <paulf> we have everything from RH7.2 and SLES8 through RHEL5 and SLES10
[04:51:39] <delewis> I'm still quite disappointed at Oracle
[04:51:48] <delewis> as XE is only offered for Windows and Linux platforms.
[04:52:00] <hile_> who the fuck runs a DB server on windows?
[04:52:09] <delewis> hile_: plenty of people! (sadly)
[04:52:14] <flyingparchment> if they offered it for solaris, tempt would complain he can't use it on his V880
[04:52:20] <delewis> that's why there's DB2 and Oracle releases. :-)
[04:52:26] <delewis> you'd be surprised how many Windows Oracle shops there are.
[04:52:46] <delewis> flyingparchment: you can use it. It just want parallelize queries over all 8 procs in a v880, for example. :-)
[04:52:51] <delewis> s/want/won't/
[04:53:23] <flyingparchment> i don't really see the point of those restrictions anyway, you'd think anyone running a production system that large would want support anyway
[04:53:55] <delewis> it's meant to compete with MySQL
[04:54:05] <delewis> typically small databases where the majority of "customers" don't have support, anyway.
[04:54:10] <flyingparchment> we have much larger mysql dbs than XE would allow ;)
[04:54:22] <delewis> sure, but you're the exception, rather than the rule. :-)
[04:54:48] <boyd> Oracle are hoping it stays that way :)
[04:54:52] <delewis> I think XE supports analytics, too, unless Oracle pulled support on that, as well.
[04:55:06] <delewis> and that's one area where Oracle has all the RDBMS vendors beat.
[04:55:08] <flyingparchment> heh, two of our dba's went off to work for mysql.. i guess there's not much large-scale mysql experience around ;)
[04:55:38] <jbk> well i suspect most of it is centered around recovery strageties :)
[04:55:58] <bda> ha
[04:56:08] <delewis> analytics doesn't really make a whole of sense on a 4GB database, though.
[04:56:37] <delewis> you'd be able to bite the bullet and implement what the analytical functions with unions and what not.
[04:56:54] <delewis> (which is basically a full table scan/union)
[04:57:12] * flyingparchment is currently having a fun problem with mysql corrupting its replication logs.. no idea if it's mysql, or the disks, or the new kernel patch
[04:57:17] <delewis> that's obviously not an option for a much larger database where you need these analytical functions that can do the joins, sorts, etc. in parallel.
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[06:19:20] <paulf> g'night
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[06:24:23] <flyingparchment> hm.. i understand a few soft media errors on a drive is normal, but i started a raid5 parity check on this array and one drive is logging hundreds of them.  can i assume that's probably not good?
[06:24:48] <delewis> definitely not good.
[06:24:56] <delewis> could be the result of write holes.
[06:25:16] <flyingparchment> i don't think so, the array hasn't been powered off since the volume was created (and it has nvram)
[06:25:22] <delewis> does your array have a battery-backed cache?
[06:25:31] <delewis> hmm, odd.
[06:26:38] <flyingparchment> there's a hot spare, maybe i'll replace this drive and see if the application problems go away
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[06:40:31] <Silveira_Neto> I have a machine here that I can't start belenix by the livecd direclty. I get a login screen, but I can't login because I don't have user and passowrd. Which is?
[06:42:01] <Silveira_Neto> never mind, I got it http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbelenix.sarovar.org%2Fbelenix_docs.html&ei=h3oAR-HGDpuoediWidUC&usg=AFQjCNGr081h23Y7oKyPXW8EhAb_eRh1zg&sig2=ofFYENqr7SEPtyoKlWj6Sw
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[06:56:59] <Silveira_Neto> This time I could login in belenix (using user root and password belenix). But when I tried vim, python, awk or perl I got "ld.so.1: perl: fatal: /lib/libm.so.2 hardware capbility unsupported: 0x10000 [SSE2] Killed". No chance for this hardware so?
[06:57:43] <jbk> hmm
[06:57:47] <jbk> i think that's a known bug
[07:01:16] <sartek> Silveira_Neto: see http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/belenix-discuss/2007-July/000078.html
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[07:22:59] <Silveira_Neto> So I can't do a boot with solaris in this CPU? O got the same problem with an semprom 2400+.
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[07:31:13] <sartek> Silveira_Neto: read the thread, yes u can,, follow the instructions
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[07:40:02] <ACfromTX> which package in the express_community CDs for sparc contains the java and javac needed to build the code?
[07:40:13] <ACfromTX> package(s), that is
[07:48:37] <Triskelios> SUNWj5rt SUNWj6rt SUNWj5dev UNWj6dev
[07:48:45] <Triskelios> *SUNWj6dev
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[07:53:15] <ACfromTX> thanks, Triskelios
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[07:55:37] <blueandwhiteg3> hey, sorry guys, I think there was some kind of technical problem that was causing people to PM me... or appear to...
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[08:06:44] <peemus-hom1> anyone awake out there?
[08:06:47] <Stric> nope
[08:07:41] <smtms> the OpenSolaris community spans the globe
[08:07:44] <peemus-hom1> heh, well i just imported my zpool from s10u3 to sxce b73 and am getting really bad samba performance
[08:07:58] <peemus-hom1> ah, true - not exactly night time everywhere
[08:08:00] <peemus-hom1> : )
[08:08:16] <Stric> worse performance now than in u3 or just bad performance?
[08:08:48] <peemus-hom1> yeah, really bad performance - before it took < 20min to transfer a dvd iso across my network not it's > 2hrs
[08:09:22] <e^ipi> what's wrong with NFS?
[08:09:27] <e^ipi> zfs supports it native-likes
[08:09:40] <peemus-hom1> i'm mounting it on a windows system
[08:09:46] <e^ipi> so what, use sfu
[08:09:51] <peemus-hom1> sfu?
[08:09:57] <e^ipi> microsoft services for unix
[08:10:02] <peemus-hom1> ah
[08:10:03] <e^ipi> it's got an NFS client in there
[08:10:25] <peemus-hom1> ok, i'll look into that
[08:10:47] <Triskelios> peemus-hom1: does the zpool itself seem to perform okay?
[08:11:18] <peemus-hom1> yes, i did a test transfer to another local disk and saw much better speeds
[08:11:51] <peemus-hom1> zpool iostat shows that it's not even being hit so that leads me to believe it's samba
[08:12:30] <peemus-hom1> i could also look into iscsi right? how does that compare to nfs?
[08:12:42] <e^ipi> like a valencia orange and a mcintosh apple
[08:12:54] <peemus-hom1> haha
[08:13:11] <peemus-hom1> right, so both good - but completely different
[08:13:26] <Stric> iscsi serves out a disk drive, nfs/smb serves out a filesystem
[08:14:25] <Stric> if you do iscsi instead, you won't be able to access it on the server.. unless you do some crossplatform cluster filesystem..
[08:14:45] <peemus-hom1> oh well that's no good
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[08:15:34] <peemus-hom1> sounds like nfs is a better permanent solution, but i'm still curious why samba went all slow
[08:15:57] <e^ipi> why'd microsoft's brain-dead protocol get all stupid all of a sudden...
[08:15:58] <e^ipi> hmm...
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[08:17:12] <Stric> try to compare with ftp/http or something to see if you have network issues
[08:17:30] <Stric> a dvd in 2h sounds like 10Mbit
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[08:27:05] <peemus-hom1> ok, transfer over http is also faster (same file about 15m)
[08:27:41] <peemus-hom1> both systems claim to be connected at 1Gb/s
[08:28:23] <Stric> 4.7GB in 15 minutes isn't even 100Mbit
[08:29:26] <Stric> and i hope your disks can do more than 5MB/s
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[08:53:01] <peemus-home> hmm, i think it was a problem with that network card/driver because now i'm transfering on a 100Mb/s card at 10m
[08:53:16] <peemus-home> maybe time to look for a different gigabit card
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[09:08:13] <WickedWicky> ello
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[09:30:49] <kaiwai> 'allo WickedWicky
[09:31:04] <WickedWicky> Hey hey :D
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[09:31:31] <kaiwai> :)
[09:31:37] <WickedWicky> how's NZ?
[09:31:47] <kaiwai> meh, not too bad
[09:31:52] <kaiwai> finished an assignment on tantric sex
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[09:35:04] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: you seemed surprised :)
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[09:37:03] <WickedWicky> O.o
[09:37:13] <WickedWicky> not really what I was expecting :P
[09:39:03] <kaiwai> yeah, its for my tantric; desire and deliverance paper
[09:39:19] <kaiwai> who needs programming when you can study raunchy sex :P
[09:40:51] <WickedWicky> congratulations
[09:41:04] <WickedWicky> 9:40am and I am having a sex discussion already
[09:41:16] <WickedWicky> normaly they start around 10am, when I arrive at work :P
[09:41:53] <kaiwai> oh well
[09:42:06] <kaiwai> :)
[09:42:11] <kaiwai> so what do you do for a job?
[09:43:18] <WickedWicky> Telco
[09:43:21] <WickedWicky> so I am on hte net all day
[09:43:22] <WickedWicky> and well
[09:43:28] <WickedWicky> mails like "CHECK THIS OUT!"
[09:43:35] <WickedWicky> hit my mailbox frequently
[09:43:57] <WickedWicky> and of course there is abuse/postmaster mail
[09:44:53] <WickedWicky> today might be an interesting day though
[09:45:10] <kaiwai> anyone familar with Sun's ld?
[09:45:17] <WickedWicky> we hired someone, and his resume looks like he has a lot of experience with Unix
[09:45:20] <WickedWicky> and we're gonna find out today
[09:45:43] <kaiwai> if I add -B direct to my LDFLAGS - do I need to put it within ' ' or do I go -Bdirect?
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[09:46:25] <kjetilho> I've never seen -B direct, always -Bdirect
[09:46:31] <kaiwai> ok
[09:46:33] <kaiwai> cool
[09:46:46] <WickedWicky> everything on google says -Bdirect
[09:47:23] <kaiwai> cool, this should be fun :)
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[10:01:16] <timsf> hi all
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[10:41:05] <kaiwai> hmm, that was neat
[10:41:15] <kaiwai> compiled with -Bdirect; quite snappy now
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[10:59:42] <tsp> Is there a better syslog for solaris? The one that comes with it is very limiting
[10:59:59] <trygvis> I think syslogng is supposed to work quite nice
[11:00:29] <renihs> syslog-ng is nice :)
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[11:14:16] <tsoome> hm, the task for syslog is to log messages to file or remote syslog. it does this job, what else you need?
[11:18:54] <trygvis> are the quad core AMDs CPUs socket compatible with the dual ones?
[11:19:38] <trygvis> IOW, if I buy a dual core motherboard today, can I upgrade to quad core CPUs later?
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[11:29:53] <ofu> trygvis: they _should_ be compatible... but I would only buy hardware if this upgrade path is guaranteed
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[11:53:50] <kjetilho> if I want the global zone to contain Sun Studio 11 and a (sparse) local zone with Sun Studio 12 -- are there any gotchas?
[11:54:15] <kjetilho> does the local zone need to be full due to the /usr symlink package?
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[12:12:24] <JWheeler> I might just be way out of practice here, but are there some gotchas with 9k packets on GigE?
[12:12:45] <JWheeler> I'm getting mplayer intermittantly stuttering, and my nfs browsing, is well, jerky
[12:13:20] <JWheeler> netstat -ni is giving me no errors...
[12:15:22] <kaiwai> hmm, any issues when played locally?
[12:15:41] <JWheeler> none. The only change is the move to jumbo frames
[12:15:53] <kaiwai> strange
[12:15:53] <trygvis> any CPU usage?
[12:15:56] <JWheeler> I also had this problem before putting a switch in the middle, so it's not the switch
[12:16:05] <JWheeler> nothing abnormal
[12:16:18] <JWheeler> nfsstat -v4 -c also isn't showing any obvious errors
[12:16:31] <JWheeler> I'm unsure how to troubleshoot this lower in the stack though
[12:17:03] <kaiwai> hmm, have you tried increasing the receive window size?
[12:17:40] <kaiwai> possibly buffering it for 30secs?
[12:17:47] <JWheeler> not as yet, but I'm just watching a video
[12:17:50] <master_of_master> hi, can I add two raidz to one ZFS filesystem?
[12:17:55] <JWheeler> copying, I'd understand maybe, but realtime?
[12:18:17] <JWheeler> master_of_master, not exactly in those words...
[12:18:53] <JWheeler> master_of_master: you can have a single zpool, which uses 2xraid-z in a stripe configuration, and have a single ZFS fs onto of all that
[12:19:34] <master_of_master> ok thanks
[12:20:03] <JWheeler> I might try running it at 6k for a little while, see if I keep seeing the problem
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[12:22:14] <JWheeler> kaiwai, how can I tell what the window is set too? I was rather assuming that mount or mount -v would tell me
[12:22:29] <JWheeler> does it only show the window if it's set to a non-default value?
[12:23:13] <kaiwai> well, its the tcp/ip receive window - its only really useful if the server is far away; it increases the amount of data received before transmission stops and the client sends back confirmation of recieving the data
[12:23:24] <kaiwai> I wouldn't know how to change it though
[12:23:27] <JWheeler> oh, I thought you were referring to the nfs setting
[12:26:39] <Vanuatoo> I've got HDD with FAT partition that I want to be automatically mounted on boot to some folder. How can I do that?
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[12:27:28] <timsf> edit /etc/vfstab to include an option to mount_pcfs
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[13:16:01] <Vanuatoo> I would like to submit RFE against installer. What category should I choose in submission form?
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[13:36:28] <kaiwai>  Vanuatoo: Caiman would be what you should do the RFE against
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[13:48:48] <Vanuatoo> Caiman is not in the listing
[13:54:09] <kaiwai> hmm, took a while
[13:54:48] <kaiwai> whats the feature request btw?
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[13:58:32] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: I would like to have an option during installation to automount my partitions
[13:58:59] <Vanuatoo> I've got additional HDD that has fat32 partition on it.
[13:59:21] <Vanuatoo> For example Ubuntu automounts all the known partitions on the system. I'm not saying to copy this functionality
[13:59:40] <kaiwai> well, thats an after tweak, not a 'during installation' tweak unless there is stuff on the partition needed for the installer
[14:00:33] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: Imagine a user that has MP3 files on that partition (like me). I don't want to dig in the manual of /etc/vfstab
[14:00:47] <kaiwai> under conolidation, there is an option of 'install'
[14:00:52] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: if you want that partition mounted at boot, you *must* add it to /etc/vfstab
[14:01:15] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: you need a line in /etc/vfstab such as this::      /dev/dsk/c1d0p3 /dev/rdsk/c1d0p3 /pcfs 1 yes rw
[14:01:20] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo: but at the same time it is stupid to simply go and 'mount' things willynilly for the sake of convinence
[14:01:31] <jmcp> darnit, missed a field
[14:01:32] <kaiwai> hence my hatred of sendmail and autofs
[14:01:33] <Vanuatoo> I'm proposing to have that step at the installation phase. So user will never know of /etc/vfstab
[14:01:52] <jmcp> /dev/dsk/c1d0p3 /dev/rdsk/c1d0p3 /mountpoint pcfs 1 yes rw
[14:02:28] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: those names frustrate me and I don't know how to guess how my unknown partition is named
[14:02:49] <Vanuatoo> Is there any work to make those names more human readable?
[14:02:51] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: there is an argument to be made that without a bare minimum of knowledge about your host's filesystem layout, you are forever limited to what is chosen for you at install time
[14:03:02] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: define "more human readable"
[14:03:27] <Vanuatoo> Just have a tool that lists all my HDDs with known partitions on them
[14:03:30] <kaiwai> jmcp: shouldn't it be c1d0t0p3?
[14:03:35] <Vanuatoo> and specifying at least the size
[14:03:40] <jmcp> kaiwai: only if it's attached via a scsi hba
[14:03:44] <Vanuatoo> and model name. So one can identify them
[14:03:51] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: I don't believe such a tool has been written, at least, not exactly
[14:04:06] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo: you could write one :)
[14:04:21] <jmcp> but then you'd have to start trying to understand how Solaris does things
[14:04:31] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: Thank you for reminder :)
[14:04:38] <Vanuatoo> I guess it's the last argument
[14:04:56] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: do you know how to list the devices (not just disks) which are installed in your system?
[14:05:04] <PerterB> isn't that the kind of functionality that Gnome's HAL is intended for?
[14:05:13] <jmcp> PerterB: probably
[14:05:20] <jmcp> but I think that's also kinda geared towards removable media
[14:05:25] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: I know that it's like /dev/dsk/controller/disk/partition
[14:05:42] <PerterB> oh right
[14:05:49] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: not really
[14:05:52] <timsf> kinda - you can get lots of information out of hal though...
[14:05:56] <Vanuatoo> I forgot slice I guess
[14:06:00] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: nono
[14:06:05] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: /dev/dsk/cXtYdZsN
[14:06:10] <jmcp> not separate directories
[14:06:17] <jmcp> that's for scsi, btw
[14:06:18] <Vanuatoo> yeah right
[14:06:20] <Vanuatoo> my fault
[14:06:24] <Vanuatoo> I meant that
[14:06:25] <jmcp> for ide there's no "tY"
[14:06:27] <jmcp> nod
[14:06:53] <jmcp> then you've got DOS-style primary partitions p0, p1, p2 ,p3 tacked on where the slicenumber is
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[14:07:10] <jmcp> eg    c1d0p0 is all of IDE master disk attached to IDE controller 1
[14:07:14] <timsf> (and the :<letter> bit...)
[14:07:19] <jmcp> and p1 is DOS-style partition 1
[14:07:33] <jmcp> while it might seem confusing, it is actually quite consistent
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[14:07:51] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: I know that I've got three controllers but how Solaris enumerates them?
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[14:08:08] <PerterB> I still get confused as to when you need to tag a :c on the end for pcfs :)
[14:08:09] <jmcp> look at "iostat -En"
[14:08:28] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: or you could make the leap to looking at the kernel's device tree, and grow a bit more
[14:08:33] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: run      prtpicl -v |less
[14:08:43] <jmcp> see, it's a slippery slope
[14:08:52] <Vanuatoo> wow thats a handy tool
[14:08:57] <jmcp> you betcha
[14:09:12] <jmcp> your IDE disks should be attached near nodes using "cmdk"
[14:09:25] <Vanuatoo> c0d1
[14:09:36] <jmcp> ide "slave" disk attached to controller 0
[14:10:02] <trochej> I have a sparc machine, but no one here knows if it's 64 bit
[14:10:13] <Vanuatoo> trochej: isainfo
[14:10:16] <jmcp> trochej: psrinfo -v ; isainfo -b
[14:10:20] <trochej> It hosts sol 9
[14:10:21] <trochej> ok
[14:10:50] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: So I've got many nodes under /dev/dsk/c0d1
[14:11:14] <jmcp> yes, that's correct
[14:11:26] <Vanuatoo> So which one of them is my partition?
[14:11:31] <jmcp> I don't know
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[14:11:39] <jmcp> which partition do you expect it to be?
[14:11:48] <Vanuatoo> The disk has only one partition
[14:11:57] <jmcp> here's another handy tool - /usr/sbin/fstyp
[14:12:08] <jmcp> run   /usr/sbin/fstyp /dev/dsk/c0t1p1
[14:12:13] <jmcp> then p2, p3, p4
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[14:12:21] <jmcp> one of those should show as type pcfs
[14:12:45] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: don't you think that it's a little bit annoying :)
[14:13:19] <Vanuatoo> OK, second try did that
[14:13:20] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: all the world is not a PC running MS-Windows and making the same assumptions about hardware
[14:13:25] <jmcp> p2 ?
[14:13:30] <Vanuatoo> p1
[14:13:45] <jmcp> you need to learn how to translate between the environments
[14:13:48] <jmcp> right
[14:13:55] <jmcp> so /dev/dsk/c0d1p1 is your DOS partition
[14:14:19] <jmcp> then in /etc/vfstab you would have     /dev/dsk/c0d1p1 /dev/rdsk/c0d1p1 /mountpoint pcfs 1 yes logging
[14:14:34] <jmcp> there are comments at the top of /etc/vfstab which tell you what goes in the columns
[14:14:43] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: Actually I'm quite a long a linux and solaris user. I don't want to bitch about solaris, I just think that all of this should be some kind of more simple
[14:14:47] <jmcp> and you can read    man vfstab to find out more
[14:14:57] <timsf> (and man mount_pcfs for more details)
[14:14:58] <jmcp> and how is it more simple on linux?
[14:15:23] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: At least there you have less choices
[14:15:30] <Vanuatoo> /dev/sdN
[14:15:32] <jmcp> gah
[14:15:35] <jmcp> that doesn't scale
[14:15:50] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: I agree with you that Solaris is consistent and I like that trend
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[14:16:14] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: the /dev/sd* nomenclature is the BSD way of doing things
[14:16:22] <jmcp> the /dev/dsk/.... is the SysV style
[14:16:35] <jmcp> Solaris is a SysV-based OS ... you have to conform :-)
[14:16:38] <Vanuatoo> I think that if Solaris wants to be successful it should provide kinda "smart defaults" behaviour
[14:16:43] <jmcp> it does
[14:16:46] <jmcp> and it is successful
[14:17:15] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: On the desktop?
[14:17:40] * jmcp pulls on flame-retardant clothing
[14:17:53] <jmcp> I use Solaris as my desktop. I have done so for more than 10 years
[14:17:54] * kaiwai starts cutting himself and listening to morrissey
[14:18:14] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: a heckuvalot of people who hang out here also use Solaris as their desktop environment
[14:18:15] * WickedWicky makes a happy psychotic face listening to Toy Dolls
[14:18:22] <Vanuatoo> jmcp: I've been using SXCE builds for a year or so, one year ago
[14:18:27] <WickedWicky> I'm using it on my laptop as we speak
[14:18:34] <jmcp> that's great
[14:18:49] <Vanuatoo> Now I've got latest SXDE and I must say many things improved
[14:18:54] <jmcp> this is good
[14:18:56] <Vanuatoo> Performance is great
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[14:19:09] <Vanuatoo> A little bit slower than Fedora but acceptable
[14:19:14] <jmcp> perhaps one or two of the bugs that I've logged against SXCE and SXDE and plain old SX have been fixed then
[14:19:16] <kaiwai> automounting of partitions is stupid IMHO
[14:19:25] <jmcp> kaiwai: in certain circumstances
[14:19:30] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: I agree with you
[14:19:37] <Vanuatoo> But there should be a choice
[14:19:56] <kaiwai> jmcp: I'd sooner have a castrated OS which forces me to explicitly state 'this is what I want done' rather than than the OS assuming/guessing what i want
[14:20:09] <Vanuatoo> I don't think Caiman interface would bloat after adding such a functionality at the installation phase
[14:20:31] <jmcp> the "castrated OS" can also be the more powerful one if it makes you understand what you really need before asking for something
[14:20:46] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: so post the idea to install-discuss and caiman-discuss
[14:20:52] <jmcp> float the idea and see what comes out of it
[14:20:52] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo: so what you want is a vfstab editor but with a nice 'point and click' interface
[14:20:55] <Vanuatoo> I filed RFE
[14:20:58] <jmcp> good
[14:21:11] <jmcp> without a record of the request, there is no visibility
[14:21:17] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: That would be great
[14:21:24] <WickedWicky> no it wouldnt
[14:21:30] <WickedWicky> not in my opinion
[14:21:37] <kaiwai> jmcp: well, its the amount of crap that loads which pisses me off; sendmail for instance - why?
[14:21:38] <Vanuatoo> WickedWicky: you seem to be CLI fan
[14:21:48] <WickedWicky> cause now, you actualy have to grasp a bit what you're doing before editting /etc/vfstab
[14:21:51] <jmcp> kaiwai: ask jbeck sometime
[14:21:54] <jmcp> or sommerfeld
[14:22:04] <WickedWicky> if you make it point and click you'll have anyone/everybody editting the file and fuck up
[14:22:05] <jmcp> WickedWicky: that's my point, exactly
[14:22:19] <jmcp> One of Solaris' great features is stability and robustness
[14:22:32] <WickedWicky> Vanuatoo: I like to know what I am doing
[14:22:35] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: I think the solution is remove all the other OS's and just have Solaris - problem solved :)
[14:22:38] <WickedWicky> admittedly I fail at it at times
[14:22:40] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: such features as what you've just logged must be well thought-out first - design, not just hackery
[14:22:45] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: do the linuxes have point n click vfstab editors? I've never seen one.
[14:23:06] <Vanuatoo> rasputnik: that does not mean there should not exist one
[14:23:07] <WickedWicky> rasputnik: they have yast, linuxconf, what not
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[14:23:15] <dlg> point at terminal
[14:23:16] <dlg> click
[14:23:21] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: it indicates to me there is no demand for one
[14:23:29] <dlg> then you type vi and j and k and stuff
[14:23:34] <dlg> good enough
[14:23:54] <jmcp> dlg: oh, but vi doesn't have a gui! or colours! or pretty noises when you make a mistake!
[14:24:05] <WickedWicky> gvim does
[14:24:06] <WickedWicky> :P
[14:24:07] <Cyrille> you can make it beep, I think/
[14:24:11] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo: get rid of all the other OS's, just have one, and voila, problem solved
[14:24:17] <Vanuatoo> All I'm saying is that OS should be simple to start working on it and also highly customizable
[14:24:18] <rasputnik> WickedWicky: true. But it's not something many users need to mess with often (nor should they). Maybe the installer could add entries for partitions it detects a la ubuntu?
[14:24:21] <jmcp> dlg: how can *anybody* possibly think that vi is modern editor suitable for using on any modern uuuuuber-133t OS?!?!?!?!
[14:24:22] <dlg> jmcp: exactly, its beautiful
[14:24:23] * jmcp dies from shock
[14:24:30] <Vanuatoo> In solaris's case there is the second one
[14:24:31] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: it is, and it is
[14:24:40] <WickedWicky> rasputnik: I know.. and to be honest I think that system critical files shouldnthave gui front ends
[14:24:55] * jmcp goes out on a limb
[14:25:01] <WickedWicky> what's next? a gui driven engine to edit /etc/system and add/remove shared memory segments and all?
[14:25:17] <jmcp> if you want a gui to edit a system-critical *text* file then you've got no business with root privs
[14:25:27] <kaiwai> lol
[14:25:36] <Vanuatoo> I don't understand. If we have GUI for network configuration, why can't we have a GUI for fstab
[14:25:37] <WickedWicky> jmcp: can you write me one in mono?
[14:25:39] * kaiwai crowns jmcp bofh of the year
[14:25:50] * jmcp swoons
[14:25:57] <Vanuatoo> Whoever starts that tool should know what is he doing
[14:26:02] <WickedWicky> Vanuatoo: I dont use the network  GUI either
[14:26:06] <WickedWicky> I edit the files manually
[14:26:21] <Vanuatoo> WickedWicky: because you know and you remember all the locations
[14:26:27] <WickedWicky> no
[14:26:30] <rasputnik> given the amount of different OSes out there, it would be safest to let the user handle it themselves rather than try to guess what fs it actually is
[14:26:32] <WickedWicky> it's cause I use google and take notes
[14:26:39] <Vanuatoo> I do sys-unconfig and reboot
[14:26:42] <WickedWicky> and i ask around, go on trainings, ya da yada
[14:26:58] <Vanuatoo> because I'm lazy to remember all the 5 files
[14:27:13] <WickedWicky> network configuration was handled in Solaris 8 essentials and Sysadmin I I believe
[14:27:19] <kaiwai> hmm, I'm happy with nwam
[14:27:31] * kaiwai hides under a rock
[14:27:37] <WickedWicky> besides, when does one change network settings?
[14:27:58] <jmcp> WickedWicky: every time your wireless drops out
[14:28:03] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: My NIC is not detected after installation so I had to install driver and after that configure NIC manually
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[14:28:21] <WickedWicky> jmcp: good point
[14:28:22] <WickedWicky> :P
[14:28:23] <rasputnik> jmcp: NWAM tokes care of that for you,doesn't it?
[14:28:28] <jmcp> it should
[14:28:30] <kaiwai> what type of nic is it?
[14:28:31] <jmcp> it's been designed to
[14:28:34] <jmcp> kaiwai: broken
[14:28:42] <Vanuatoo> Marvel 88E8001
[14:28:57] <kaiwai> ewww
[14:29:08] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: yeah, I get that a lot with on-board Intels. Latest SXCR seems to like them ok now.
[14:29:39] <kaiwai> jmcp: hopefully Phase 1 will yield an improvement in nwam
[14:29:48] <Vanuatoo> rasputnik: That's good. It seems SXDE 1/08 will detect them and I would not have to spend half an hour get my network working
[14:30:29] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: I just added them to /etc/driver_aliases and re-ran sysconfig. It did all the hard bits for me.
[14:31:10] <rasputnik> though if your time is worth anything, it's simpler just to buy a supported NIC for 10 bucks.
[14:31:22] <Vanuatoo> rasputnik: Actually I installed marvel driver. That worked like a charm. And after that tried to edit files manually. (What a mess). After that found GUI tool and it did the work. I had sys-unconfig for the last case
[14:32:02] <Vanuatoo> I don't use DHCP, otherwise would rely on network auto magic
[14:32:40] <Vanuatoo> So I want to mount my FAT32 partition under some folder. Should that folder have some special permissions?
[14:32:43] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo: you seem to like making things difficult for yourself
[14:32:46] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: that's a pain. But I think that's the worst I've had to do so far. /etc/vfstab just involves understanding how disk partitions are numbered - which my Sparc-experienced brother has been doing all morning :)
[14:33:02] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: Why do you think so?
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[14:33:27] <kaiwai> why don't you use dhcp for instance?
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[14:34:12] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: because my sysadmin is lazy to add my mac address to the list, so it autoassigns 1.50 to my NIC
[14:34:31] <Vanuatoo> Becuase I'm a privileged user and there are rules in the firewall to allow me access specific sites
[14:34:47] <Vanuatoo> That are assigned to 1.50 :)
[14:35:15] * kaiwai gives Vanuatoo a 18inch black dildo
[14:35:17] <Vanuatoo> Besides I'm keen to know how to do static ip address for my system
[14:35:21] <kaiwai> now go off and beat the sys admin up with it
[14:36:13] <Vanuatoo> he's a friend of mine and I would be happy you to be more polite regarding him
[14:36:21] <rasputnik> Vanuatoo: even if you have statically assigned the IP, you need the sysadmin to reserve it so some other asshole doesn't get it handed out to them too.
[14:36:43] <kaiwai> Vanuatoo,: why should I be polite to him?
[14:36:55] <Vanuatoo> kaiwai: because he's a friend of mine
[14:37:06] <kaiwai> well, good for you
[14:37:16] * kaiwai gives Vanuatoo a pack of scorched almonds
[14:37:17] <Vanuatoo> and becuase he's lazy does not mean you can beat him with 18inch dildo
[14:37:22] <kjetilho> oooh, 4xquad-core -- I wonder how that stacks up to Niagara ...
[14:37:37] <trygvis> probably kick ass
[14:37:43] <kaiwai> kjetilho: depends on the job that needs to be done
[14:38:05] <rasputnik> kjetilho: is that the new intel boxes? they look great.
[14:38:25] <dlg> if i want superglue with my smp box i'll buy the intels
[14:38:51] <kaiwai> intel workstations would be nice too
[14:38:59] <kjetilho> rasputnik: the X4450, yes
[14:39:30] <rasputnik> kjetilho: nice. like the staggering numbers of DIMM slots too (so you can get cheaper, smaller dimms)
[14:40:27] <rasputnik> off to lunch
[14:40:27] <kjetilho> yes, 16 slots in a 2U box!
[14:41:36] <kaiwai> off to bed
[14:41:39] <kaiwai> good night
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[14:43:57] <kjetilho> heh, I can't do maths.  128/4 == 32 slots :-)
[14:44:02] <ofu> i thought 32 dimms in 2u is the new limit
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[14:49:14] <Vanuatoo> New package management will bring many imovements I guess
[14:50:20] <timsf> ping pjd- ?
[14:51:56] <pjd-> timsf: ?
[14:52:14] <timsf> hey there - saw the excellent ZFS swf you had :-)
[14:52:30] <timsf> Don't suppose you've got the "Z" ZFS man icon available anywhere ?
[14:53:26] <Vanuatoo> From what build / be ZFS?
[14:53:38] <pjd-> timsf: Let me look around.
[14:53:47] <timsf>  (and if so, would you mind if I borrowed it to use in that zfs auto backup to usb gui thingy I was blogging abuot ? Thanks!)
[14:54:10] <timsf> Vanuatoo, too early to tell, there's still no zfs root for sparc.
[14:54:55] <pjd-> timsf: We used something like this for a t-shirt: http://be.unnameden.com/zfs.shirt/shirt2/przod_zfsman.tiff
[14:55:30] <pjd-> timsf: There is little daemon in the corner. If it's not ok for you, feel free to remove it.
[14:55:31] * timsf sucking down 7mb of tiff at the moment...
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[14:56:21] <timsf> Would you mind if I did ? Really just looking for a 150x150 icon, so lots of detail would be lost...
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[14:56:50] <timsf> I'll gimp that into oblivion, but if you've a smaller image, that'd be great, but no big deal...
[14:56:54] <pjd-> timsf: Treat it as public domain:)
[14:56:58] <timsf> Fab, thanks!
[14:57:14] <timsf>  (will post credit (and a link) of course :-)
[14:57:28] <pjd-> :)
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[15:10:04] <natsume> hi, what is the command for install package from cd ?
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[15:11:05] <Vanuatoo> I would like to install packages with pkgbuild tool. I read that I should install CBE. Should I download latest version that is 1.6.0? I sue SXDE 9/07
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[15:48:45] * quasi waits impatiently for svm to finish mirroring 1T
[15:48:53] <WickedWicky> hey quasi
[15:48:57] <WickedWicky> redoing the migration?
[15:49:15] <quasi> WickedWicky: nope, this is another fun filled system
[15:50:08] <quasi> development suddenly decided that they needed 1T instead of 100G in prod
[15:50:29] <quasi> and that they wanted to do the install on their own
[15:50:42] <WickedWicky> give them a zone
[15:50:49] <quasi> it is a zone
[15:50:56] <quasi> on top of a cluster
[15:52:01] <quasi> and if I try to add the storage to the zone while it is doing the initial sync, it seems the sync gets restarted and I'm not allowed to import it
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[15:56:08] <asyd> ahah the sungloss certificate is expired
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[15:58:21] <Tempt> svm mirroring 1TB?
[15:58:35] <Tempt> have a nice long nap.
[15:58:40] <asyd> :)
[16:00:35] <quasi> 3 mins for 1%
[16:01:10] <Tempt> heh, it'll take quite a few more hours to finish
[16:01:19] <Tempt> what sort of storage?
[16:01:29] <quasi> Tempt: yeah, I wish we let the hitachis make their own copies
[16:01:39] <quasi> HDS tagmastore something
[16:01:43] <Tempt> mmm
[16:01:48] <Tempt> They're really nice.
[16:01:56] <Tempt> NSC
[16:01:58] <Tempt> Mmmm.
[16:02:07] <Tempt> Ummn, they're a raid box though.
[16:02:08] <Tempt> Why mirror?
[16:02:31] <quasi> dual site
[16:02:38] <Tempt> aaah
[16:02:49] <Tempt> fibre between sites?
[16:03:50] <quasi> not too shabby mirroring at 40M/s
[16:03:54] <quasi> yeah
[16:03:55] <Tempt> I'd say TrueCopy would be a smarter move ...
[16:04:04] <quasi> yeah, me too
[16:04:18] <Tempt> You do realise that if you're creating new SVM mirrors you can avoid the resync?
[16:04:28] <quasi> $boss didn't agree
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[16:04:36] <Tempt> As in, if they have no data, you don't *need* to sync
[16:04:47] <quasi> do tell
[16:04:59] <Tempt> metainit blah -m blah1 blah2
[16:05:14] <Tempt> you'll get a warning telling you they aren't synced, but all writes will be mirrored etc.
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[16:06:55] <carbon60> Has anyone put together a template for an SMF manifest that runs a Java daemon?
[16:07:31] <asyd> what kind of daemon? that's a lot of examples about jboss/glassfish/tomcat
[16:08:00] <quasi> Tempt: blah? that's a command I never met before ;)
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[16:08:51] <Tempt> quasi: I'm sure you can work it out from there.
[16:12:51] <axisys> is there a java provider to debug java issue.. glassfish install hangs on X4200 .. but runs fine on U20
[16:13:17] <trochej> axisys: There is
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[16:13:36] <trochej> axisys: Don't remember which, but you can find it in dtrace entry on wikipedia
[16:14:01] <axisys> trochej: cool... i will take a look
[16:14:07] <axisys> trochej: thnx
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[16:15:54] <Ober> what is the command to configure network cards from the command prompt?
[16:16:07] <nightswim> ifconfig
[16:16:07] <trochej> Ober: ifconfig?
[16:16:17] <Ober> ifconfig -a does not show either device
[16:16:26] <Tempt> ifconfig -a plumb
[16:16:27] <Ober> I rearranged two nics and now it does not see them
[16:16:34] <Tempt> devfsadm -v
[16:16:49] <carbon60> asyd: A daemon I'm writing.
[16:17:42] <Ober> excellent thank you
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[16:21:26] <Vanuatoo> laca: are you here?
[16:22:20] <laca> Vanuatoo: yes
[16:22:29] <Vanuatoo> I'm trying to install SFEmplayer from spec file. I've installed JDS CBE, sourced env.sh file, checked out subversion repository
[16:22:35] <Vanuatoo> cd to SFE directory
[16:22:50] <Vanuatoo> and run the command pkgtool build --download SFEmplayer.spec
[16:23:08] <Vanuatoo> it complains that WARNING: skipping package SFEmplayer: required package SFElibsndfile not installed
[16:23:11] <laca> you probably need at least 10 other pkgs first
[16:23:12] <laca> yeah
[16:23:33] <Vanuatoo> so that tool does not resolve dependencies automatically?
[16:23:53] <Vanuatoo> like apt,yum and emerge
[16:24:02] <Vanuatoo> it works exactly like rpm?
[16:24:03] <Cyrille> uh oh
[16:24:12] <laca> pkgtool resolves dependencies between the spec files you specify on the command line but doesn't automatically pick up additional specs
[16:24:23] <Vanuatoo> laca: ok, thanks
[16:24:30] <laca> it should be doing that in the next pkgbuild release though
[16:24:33] <laca> i'm working on it
[16:24:45] <laca> well, not actively... :(
[16:25:10] <Vanuatoo> at least there is some way besides blastwave to install third party apps
[16:27:15] <Vanuatoo> Also it would be nice if progress is printed while downloading files
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[16:44:46] <Vanuatoo> laca: I could not find devel packages. I checked out SFE module. What module should I check out to get devel packages?
[16:46:31] <laca> Vanuatoo: they are in the same spec file as the non-devel pkg
[16:46:54] <laca> so SFEfoo and SFEfoo-devel are in SFEfoo.spec
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[16:57:07] <rasputnik> can I Live Upgrade an SVM mirror, or am I better off offlining one submirror and doing a straight 'upgrade'?
[16:57:33] <rasputnik> by 'better off' I mean 'my only option', since i don't have a free slice anywhere else
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[16:58:10] <gdamore> good morning *
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[16:59:00] <elektronkind> heya gdamore
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[17:02:32] <quasi> rasputnik: if you don't have a free slice, that really doesn't leave you many options, does it?
[17:03:03] <Tempt> rasputnik: Use LU.
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[17:03:23] <Tempt> rasputnik: It's really easy and saves having to split the mirrors etc manually.
[17:03:52] <rasputnik> Tempt: I suppose what I'm really osking is  whether LU can install to half the mirror for me. I take it that might work?
[17:05:07] <rasputnik> hmm, s10u4 gives errors creating a zone on ZFS root. Interesting.
[17:06:03] <Tempt> rasputnik: Yes, LU will split the mirrors etc.
[17:06:21] <rasputnik> Tempt: cool! Will read up on that then.
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[17:06:57] <Tempt> rasputnik: hang a second ...
[17:07:31] <Tempt> rasputnik: read boyd's slides here: http://www2.purplecow.org/?p=67
[17:07:55] <Tempt> rasputnik: and read a walkthrough for LU with mirrors here: http://www2.purplecow.org/?p=69
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[17:18:12] <tomww> Vanuatoo: ist you SFEmplayer working now?
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[17:25:30] <Vanuatoo> tomww: no, because I can't install package SFEogg-vorbis ERROR: SFEogg-vorbis: Source file l10n-configure.sh not found
[17:26:17] <Vanuatoo> Does anyone know what should be a problem?
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[17:30:53] <Vanuatoo> tomww: are you Thomas Wagner?
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[17:33:31] <Berny> damien just wrote a replay to that :-)
[17:33:45] <Berny> prolly a left-over from when ogg was part of jds
[17:35:07] <Vanuatoo> Berny: what should I do to make it compile?
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[17:36:59] <Berny> in base-specs/libogg.spec and base-specs/libvorbis.spec remove Source1: l10n-configure.sh and bash -x Source1
[17:38:46] <rasputnik> Tempt: thanks
[17:40:24] <Tempt> no problem, enjoy.
[17:40:31] <Vanuatoo> Berny: thanks
[17:40:38] <Vanuatoo> gnome-commander also fails to compile
[17:40:47] <rasputnik> right, hometime
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[17:41:10] <Vanuatoo> configure.log states that there is no gtk+>=2.6.0
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[17:51:14] <Vanuatoo> ERROR: SFEmplayer: Source file http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/latest/Rel-6/26_series/26204-600.zip not found
[17:52:08] <Vanuatoo> In this directory there are many files.
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[17:55:15] <millhouse> hey
[17:56:53] <millhouse> I have a question about UPS monitoring...
[17:57:31] <millhouse> does Solaris/OpenSolaris come with tools to connect with and monitor UPS', and if not, what are some tools that ya'll recommend (and where can I get them)?
[17:57:52] <RElling> PowerChute is available from APC
[17:58:13] <sommerfeld> yup.  it included solaris support last time I looked
[18:03:28] 
[18:04:12] <millhouse> what's the command(s)?
[18:05:05] <millhouse> specifically, the UPS' I'm using (currently) are CyberPower...  I've been told that they're compatible with some variant of APC's UPS (though reporting info SUCKS...i'll only be able to know if the ups is on power or on battery)
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[18:10:49] <Vanuatoo> When playing some video with mplayer I get bunch of lines like: iconv: conversion from US-ASCII to 646 unsupported
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[18:11:23] <Shiv_1> Hi laca
[18:13:07] <kjetilho> Vanuatoo: set your locale to something different from C and POSIX
[18:13:11] <kjetilho> e.g. en_US
[18:14:02] <Vanuatoo> kjetilho: what variable?
[18:14:13] <Vanuatoo> I'm logged in as en_US.UTF-8
[18:14:36] <Fish-> hello
[18:15:15] <Vanuatoo> everyhitng works now
[18:15:22] <Vanuatoo> I was in a wrong shell
[18:15:58] <millhouse> this may be a stupid question, but I'm curious about Solaris Zones...  Specifically, I know they work with Solaris and Linux, but is it possible to run Windows inside a "zone"?
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[18:16:50] <sommerfeld> millhouse: not currently possible, and not likely to every happen
[18:16:53] <timsf> Nope - that's probably unlikely to ever happen either - it'd take a /lot/ of work
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[18:17:25] <sommerfeld> zones virtualize only userspace code.  you can run linux applications in a linux zone, but there is no actual linux kernel involved anywhere
[18:17:42] <Shiv_1> hg commit fails if -m option is not given on my system. Is this expected?
[18:17:52] <movement> no
[18:17:54] <sommerfeld> solaris emulation of the linux kernel is not so hard because they're both unixoid
[18:17:57] <millhouse> sommerfeld:  Honestly I'd be suprised if Windows did work (and if it was planned to work).  ..It was more a "brain fart" of an idea...
[18:17:58] <RElling> we could conjure the spirits of Wabi...
[18:18:09] <timsf> If you need to run windows at the same time on Solaris, then xVM is a more likely candidate
[18:18:13] <Cyrille> emulating the Windows "kernel" might prove more complex.
[18:18:26] <timsf>  (all hail wabi)
[18:18:36] <delewis> emulating the Windows "kernel" will definitely prove more complex, as Microsoft doesn't publicly document the system call layer.
[18:18:41] <flyingparchment> awesome.. the only way to get the current krb5 fixes is to install an obsolete patch and an idr ;)
[18:18:46] <delewis> it's considered "closed" and "propietary"
[18:19:00] <millhouse> in that case, how well does Linux run inside a zone?  ...What I'd like to accomplish is some sort of a VMware-like setup using Solaris/OpenSolaris as the base OS w/zones and then running multiple sessions w/in that to do other work
[18:19:07] <Cyrille> and other words less suitable for printing, I'm told ;-)
[18:19:20] <sommerfeld> there's a package for netbsd called "peace" which emulates windows, albeit incompletely.  http://chiharu.haun.org/peace/
[18:19:29] <millhouse> basically, I guess I'm asking if Solaris zones can run Linux well enough to be used as an alternative to VMware/XenSource :-)
[18:19:51] <millhouse> because I'd like to play w/zones, it'd save money from not having to buy VMware, and it'd be just cool to play with and say "i did it"
[18:19:54] <delewis> millhouse: absolutely, unless you need to run applications that require a 2.6.x kernel.
[18:20:12] <delewis> 2.6.x kernel support is currently in an 'experimental' phase.
[18:20:38] <timsf>  (or indeed any kernel level code at all - brandz is userland only)
[18:20:57] <Shiv_1> millhouse: VMplayer is free (as in zero price). But ofcourse playing with zones maybe fun.
[18:21:00] <millhouse> ah ok...  but 2.4.x is fully supported?
[18:21:08] <delewis> millhouse: yep.
[18:21:25] <delewis> as in the sense it's made it into Solaris 10 Update 4, and therefore, production-quality.
[18:21:39] <timsf> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/brandz_lae_faq/#limitations
[18:21:57] <millhouse> yeah, i know...  this idea came about because my boss wants to run Windows2003 w/VMware workstation to run multiple VM sessions (each a production server)..  If we keep it to a FEW VM's i'm sure we'd be fine, but more than that and the overhead from windows + vmware workstation would surely take a noticeable hit
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[18:22:27] <quasi> millhouse: let him find out the hard way
[18:22:34] <delewis> millhouse: xVM is going to be the way to go then.
[18:22:37] <millhouse> solaris would still be "overhead" but not nearly as much and <<insert other anti-MS stuff here>>
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[18:22:43] <delewis> that or throwing up a Linux system to run VMware Server.
[18:23:02] <millhouse> yeah...  i could...  and i'd like too...  but as much as I'd love to say "I told you so", I don't want to have to deal with fixing it later :)
[18:23:07] <delewis> millhouse: defintely not. With BrandZ there's slightly more overhead than a regular Solaris zone, because of the system call translation.
[18:23:40] <delewis> but nowhere near as much as Xen or VMware.
[18:24:05] <delewis> which are in effect software hypervisors (though, if you have newer hardware, the Xen software hypervisor functionality isn't required)
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[18:33:37] <millhouse> delewis:  just the answer i was hoping for! ;-)
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[18:34:19] <millhouse> don't get me wrong, VMware (server) kicks ass and is well worth the $$$ (though perhaps it could be a bit cheaper ;-) ).  But I think Solaris could provide a better answer and it no doubt scales MUCH higher than both xen and vmware
[18:34:36] <millhouse> not that we'll be deploying a server w/100+ CPU's but it's the fact that "we could" that I like :-)
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[18:35:43] <millhouse> ...now if any of you knows of a project that can do the reverse of VMware (that is, run a box w/multiple CPU's but create an emulated session that "reports" just one or two CPU's but allows for apps to thread and take advantage of ALL CPUs available to the underlying system) that would be great
[18:36:40] <millhouse> ...basically, the only use for such an app would be to "lie" to an emulated server and say "You have 1 CPU Mr. Oracle" (so you only get charged for 1 CPU), but then you thread it over all the underlying CPU's so you get the benefit of SMP, but don't have to pay for it all...
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[18:42:09] <smtms> the overhead with BrandZ should be almost unmeasurable
[18:42:46] <timsf> millhouse, I'd expect Oracle to be wise to that sort of thing. Larry's got to pay for those yachts somehow.
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[18:43:16] <flyingparchment> millhouse: you can bind 1-2 cpus to a zone and run oracle in it and only pay for those cpus
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[18:43:26] <millhouse> true...  but other software maybe not so much <cough> windows <cough>
[18:43:27] <flyingparchment> oh, wait, you want to cheat.. nm
[18:43:55] <millhouse> but again it's more of "it'd be cool" but I seriously don't see any "legal" need for such an app/solution...
[18:44:25] <millhouse> and being in the U.S., it'd be easy for me to get sued for spearheading such a project...  maybe if i move to the caribean or something ;-)
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[18:45:23] <tomww> Vanuatoo: I'm testing libogg.spec and libvorbis.spec w/o the l10* and submit them to the spec-files-extra if it compiles well.
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[18:51:08] <millhouse> flyingparchment:  heh, yeah...
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[18:51:35] <millhouse> not really...  I mean, sure it'd be fun to be able to cheat and lie like that, but ultimately it'd do nothing than hurt the companies that developed all that software...
[18:52:02] <millhouse> i say this knowing that oracle charges LOTS of $$$ so you can use them, but at the same time they are worth their weight..
[18:52:39] <millhouse> i'll stick w/Solaris Zones as a linux/vm solution over windows/vmware workstation/mult vm's
[18:53:34] <flyingparchment> i added another lun to my scsi device, how do i make this adpu320 card see it?
[18:53:38] <flyingparchment> (devfsadm doesn't seem to help)
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[18:57:45] <millhouse> as far as opensolaris goes, does all of sun's software run on it?  specifically, Sun's Cluster Suite?
[18:57:56] <libkeiser> flyingparchment: sd.conf not enumerating the luns you need?
[18:59:30] <flyingparchment> libkeiser: it says the default should be to check 8 luns
[18:59:35] <flyingparchment> maybe it's configured wrongly in the card's bios..
[18:59:48] <flyingparchment> (was hoping to avoid a reboot)
[19:00:17] <CIA-26> webaker: 6189209 cb_recall() panicked system., 6533126 panic[cpu5]/thread=3005834b780: kernel heap corruption detected, 6592943 S10U4 system panics during stress test
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[19:00:54] <flyingparchment> to add a new scsi id instead of a lun, i have to reboot the controller.. to make the host see a lun, i have to reboot the host
[19:00:59] <flyingparchment> i love cheap x86 hardware ;)
[19:01:31] <Shiv_1> tomww: libogg.spec seems to build fine on B72(default installation)
[19:01:57] <Shiv_1> tomww: Any specific packages (L10n) to be removed to test?
[19:02:37] <tomww> Shiv_1: if you already have the gnome svn checked out, and use the same download-diry, then l10* is found and everything is fine.
[19:02:38] <Shiv_1> tomww: I see only SUNWeuluf as some kind of L10n related package
[19:03:11] <Shiv_1> tomww: This was a recent install of B72 and a fresh checkout from snv
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[19:03:20] <tomww> I'm just testing with the Source1 l10* commented for libogg.spec and libvorbis.spec. I expect this to run fine and will submit the changes
[19:04:29] <tomww> originally the writer of the spec added the 64-bit-build by copying the gnome vorbis spec file and therefore the download-dir already had l10* and no error appeared.
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[19:05:08] <Shiv_1> tomww: I was the one who had submitted the SFElibogg.spec. It doesnt use the base spec.
[19:05:31] <Shiv_1> tomww: Let me know if something has not been done the way it should have been.
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[19:07:19] <tomww> oh, please look at the SFEogg-vorbis.spec which adds 64-bit libs - they are not included in the gnome-ogg-vorbis and this spec is intended to att 64-bits (dougs)
[19:07:56] <tomww> I have no problems with the SFElibogg.spec. but I think we should check for duplication here.
[19:08:18] <Shiv_1> tomww: Ah, ok. The SFEogg-vorbis is what you are referring to. It is referring to the base libogg.spec. Ok.
[19:09:07] <Shiv_1> tomww: Such duplication is difficult to catch. Typically there should have been a separate spec file for the lib!
[19:09:24] <tomww> yes. ant this only build fine, if you use the gnome svn also, which has l10* from some other source (source-tarballs?).
[19:09:28] <tomww> *d
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[19:10:35] <tomww> but the funny think is: the gnomies use the spec-files-extra space to quickly add missing pieces without messing up the other repository :-)
[19:10:39] <tomww> *g
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[19:11:07] <Shiv_1> tomww: I am using svn from the system (/usr/bin). I had done a svn co using /usr/bin/svn and then installed jds cbe.
[19:11:37] <Shiv_1> tomww: The svn from the jds build environment is old and does not work on the svn co from /usr/bin
[19:11:52] <tomww> Shiv_1: you mean the version mismatch with the cbe-svn (beeing older)?
[19:11:54] <Shiv_1> tomww: So I have been using /usr/bin/svn
[19:12:04] <Shiv_1> tomww: Yes
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[19:13:02] <tomww> yes, same for me. just used /usr/bin/svn without sourcing env.sh and no way back:) - but since i expect laca to remove as much tools from cbe as they appear on soalris, then this should go away
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[19:13:29] <tomww> SFEogg-vorbis.spec passed okay. I'll do a quick submission to svn
[19:13:35] <Shiv_1> tomww: Yeah, I had posted to desktop-discuss about this.
[19:14:23] <Shiv_1> tomww: Once u submit, I will have a look to get to know what this l10n dependency was about.
[19:14:56] <Shiv_1> tomww: Oh, I attempted a build of the spec and I see what is wrong.
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[19:16:39] <millhouse> bbl..
[19:17:07] <Shiv_1> hg commit fails without the -m option on my system (on snv_72). Anyone experienced this?
[19:18:01] <movement> please stop asking that all the time.
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[19:18:39] <tomww> Shiv_1: 648 spec files (expl. base-spec) - cool!
[19:19:10] <Shiv_1> tomww: Yes, indeed. Last time I posted it was 640!
[19:19:45] <Shiv_1> movement: I dont think you get it! If there is an issue with hg or default setup it is to be reported.
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[19:23:41] <Shiv_1> tomww: Shouldnt changes to base-specs be sent upstream instead of fixing in our copies?
[19:24:10] <movement> Shiv_1: there is no such issue.
[19:24:48] <Shiv_1> movement: I had posted at http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=159633&tstart=0
[19:24:53] <movement> I know.
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[19:30:21] <tomww> Shiv_1: #define uptream . If you say to the spec-files-extra repository, yes, just right now.
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[19:33:44] <Shiv_1> tomww: I saw that your change was in libogg.spec. This file has originally come from suse lineage.
[19:33:47] <sommerfeld> Shiv_1: on snv_73, hg commit without -m invokes $EDITOR
[19:34:05] <sommerfeld> seems fine
[19:34:52] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: For me it invokes the editor and after closing the editor, it says transaction aborted and rolls back.
[19:35:11] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: If -m is specified, it works perfectly.
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[19:35:43] <sommerfeld> Shiv_1: is the editor exiting with a non-zero status?
[19:37:20] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Probably. Cant say since it gets invoked within hg and hg catches the error. hg itself returns 0.
[19:37:53] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: I have set the editor to gedit, vi, cat, dtpad. Same result.
[19:39:01] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: I checked the same after downloading a windows version of hg on one another system I have. Same result (but with notepad)
[19:39:15] <sommerfeld> actually, you can see what the exit status is with truss
[19:40:09] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Checking...
[19:40:24] <sommerfeld> try:  truss -f -t exec,exit -v exec,exit hg commit
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[19:43:53] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: python, shell & the $EDITOR are called in that order. All of them exit with zero !
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[19:44:12] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Checked with cat & vi
[19:44:55] <sommerfeld> oh, wait, you're not actually editing the commit message...
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[19:45:04] <sommerfeld> transaction abort!
[19:45:04] <sommerfeld> rollback completed
[19:45:04] <sommerfeld>
[19:45:11] <sommerfeld> is what you get if you don't actually edit the commit message.
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[19:48:12] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Uh, it is mandatory to edit? The default message that has username & filename was good enough.
[19:48:33] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Got to know :)
[19:48:45] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: thanks.
[19:49:18] <sommerfeld> no, lines starting with HG: are deleted out of the message because they're redundant with the metadata that hg itself keeps
[19:49:26] <sommerfeld> clearly the error message could be improvesd
[19:49:31] <sommerfeld> err, "improved"
[19:50:59] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: Ok, then me erring wasn't really that bad :) I did look at all the docs that google threw at me. hg has some catching up to do w.r.t svn
[19:51:14] <Shiv_1> sommerfeld: when it comes to docs.
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[19:57:04] <moazamraja> re folks
[19:57:15] <moazamraja> can one use GCC to build a full OpenSolaris?
[19:57:20] <moazamraja> or are Sun Studio compilers a requirement?
[19:57:48] <trochej> moazamraja: sunstudio
[19:57:50] <trochej> IIRC
[19:58:06] <trochej> moazamraja: It is written in developement guide I believe
[19:58:14] <moazamraja> that's what is confusing
[19:58:32] <moazamraja> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/gcc    <-- seems to state that GCC can build OpenSolaris
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[19:59:41] <trochej> moazamraja: So I am a little bit behind
[20:00:23] <CIA-26> ab196087: 5035454 mixing -Kpic and -KPIC may cause SIGSEGV with -xarch=v9
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[20:00:29] <moazamraja> but yet the main page says, "The support for gcc is not yet complete."
[20:01:17] <palowoda> Define support, other than lets say Nexenta uses GCC to build opensolaris.
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[20:04:02] <moazamraja> interesting ..., and confusing.
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[20:19:14] <trochej> There is a point of interaction bwetween pidgin and keyring-manager that blocks GUI
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[20:28:49] <elektronkind> oh man, tis was just posted to the openafs mailing list
[20:28:51] <elektronkind> I have lost a fileserver because of a corruption on the reiserfs v3.
[20:28:51] <elektronkind> Something like 1000 volumes and 100GB of data were lost.  The backups
[20:28:52] <elektronkind> were made using amanda with standard tar.
[20:29:06] <elektronkind> reiserfs strikes again!
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[20:30:44] <yofuh> well, reiser looses everything... wife, freedom, data
[20:33:19] <sommerfeld> ow.
[20:34:37] <holcomb> loses
[20:36:42] <libkeiser> sorry, but afs doesn't protect against bad system design choices :D
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[20:40:23] <axisys_> snv_70 X86 has etude?
[20:42:16] <delewis> etude is SPARC-only.
[20:42:29] <delewis> there aren't too many legacy Solaris 8 customers using x86. :-)
[20:42:33] <trygvis> really? dang
[20:42:37] <delewis> of course.
[20:42:47] <delewis> how many legacy Solaris/x86 apps do you know of?
[20:42:53] <axisys_> delewis: ok so sol 10 u4 has etude?
[20:43:04] <delewis> axisys_: no.
[20:43:07] <trygvis> (almost) all of the blastwave packages :(
[20:43:10] <delewis> Solaris 10 has branded zones.
[20:43:17] <trygvis> but I see what you mean
[20:43:24] <axisys_> delewis: so how do I get etude?
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[20:43:37] <delewis> trygvis: applications that can't be migrated to Solaris 10 or the vendor can't be bothered to re-cerify them.
[20:43:48] <delewis> axisys_: Nevada would be my guess.
[20:43:56] <axisys_> delewis: ok
[20:44:44] <axisys_> delewis: thnx
[20:45:50] <axisys_> delewis: so I can't migrate sol 8 to sol 10 yet .. sun contract does not support nevada
[20:46:07] <axisys_> delewis: i guess the migration canw ait
[20:46:11] <axisys_> wait that is
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[20:48:30] <mw46> Anybody has a good solution for SVN over NFS+ZFS?
[20:49:19] <mw46> it looks like the writes are very (!!) slow:-(
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[20:49:28] <dmesg> hi dudes and dudettes too
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[20:50:26] <trochej> Gman: 'lo
[20:50:40] <Gman> hey trochej
[20:51:26] <dmesg> if i want to buy a sun netra t1 and it dont have a cdrom drive how can i install a new OS?
[20:53:57] <axisys_> dmesg: do u have another system around that u can hook up on same network?
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[20:54:47] <axisys_> dmesg: it would be lot easeir if the othere one is a solaris, you could jump the new one using that
[20:55:41] <dmesg> axisys_ i can set it up a solaris machine yes
[20:55:54] <dmesg> in the same network
[20:56:09] <axisys_> cool.. then use that as the jumpstart server
[20:56:31] <dmesg> ahh ok
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[21:00:23] <CIA-26> th199096: 6523051 root crontab should only execute nfsfind if it is present and executable
[21:00:24] <CIA-26> ab196087: 6253589 mcs has problems handling multiple SHT_NOTE sections, 6473571 strip and mcs get confused and corrupt files when passed non-ELF arguments
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[21:13:47] <Triskelios> dmesg: you can actually install solaris from any nfs server that can loopback mount the image
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[21:14:59] <dmesg> Triskelios any OS?
[21:15:17] <Triskelios> yes
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[21:16:31] <Triskelios> it's a bit more difficult with linux because you have to force NFSv3, but it still works
[21:16:34] <dmesg> Triskelios ahh, i try that then
[21:16:50] <dmesg> Triskelios the best is solaris then rigth?
[21:17:25] <Triskelios> certainly
[21:17:37] <dmesg> ahh ok :)
[21:18:28] <Triskelios> it's much less trouble to use what's at hand than setting up a new NFS server though
[21:19:16] <dmesg> i see
[21:19:46] <dmesg> :)
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[21:36:21] <millhouse> how do i use cpan to install the mysql libraries?
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[21:39:35] <emiel_> Hi all
[21:39:48] <dmesg> hi
[21:39:59] <emiel_> I'm having some trouble with /dev/random
[21:40:57] <Triskelios> what sort of trouble?
[21:40:58] <emiel_> What are the default permissions for /devices/pseudo/random*
[21:41:24] <Triskelios> crw-r--r-- 1 root sys 149, 0 2007-10-01 12:30 /devices/pseudo/random@0:random
[21:41:24] <Triskelios> crw-r--r-- 1 root sys 149, 1 2007-10-01 12:30 /devices/pseudo/random@0:urandom
[21:41:53] <emiel_> Ah so they should be world readable as I suspected.
[21:42:18] <emiel_> I finally got my disks working but apparently broke a number of other things. ;)
[21:42:23] <emiel_> Triskelios: Thank you.
[21:42:26] <Triskelios> sure
[21:42:40] <Triskelios> you might want to copy the /devices tree from media or failsafe
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[21:43:04] <emiel_> I just might do that if other funny things show up.
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[21:44:57] <sickness> evening all
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[21:54:26] <delewis> does Wine work/build on Solaris?
[21:54:38] <flyingparchment> yes, but look for the patched solaris version, not the upstream one
[21:54:43] <delewis> notice I seperated 'work' and 'build' :-)
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[21:54:48] <delewis> flyingparchment: great, thanks.
[21:54:53] <flyingparchment> (some guy maintains the solaris bits and provides binaries)
[21:55:39] <delewis> flyingparchment: does the guy provide his patches, as well?
[21:55:44] <flyingparchment> i believe so
[21:55:45] <fbo> par/exit
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[21:56:20] <axisys_> millhouse: u mean perl module for mysql?
[21:56:25] <Triskelios> delewis: yes, some of them are used in the SFE package as well
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[21:57:13] <delewis> anyone have a link to this guy's packages/patches?
[21:58:04] <flyingparchment> the one i used to use seems to be gone now
[21:58:51] <Triskelios> delewis: blastwave.org/wine/
[22:00:19] <CIA-26> myers: 6592591 Single instance of panic "mutex_enter: adaptive at high PIL" on x86 in snv_71, 6606094 acpica: need to remove SCCS keyword from module name
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[22:01:29] <delewis> Triskelios: cool, thanks.
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[22:02:02] <WickedWicky> howedy
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[22:05:44] <millhouse> yes
[22:05:48] <millhouse> axisys:  yes
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[22:07:52] <axisys_> millhouse: have u tried `perl -MCPAN -e shell' ? and then at cpan shell cpan> install Your::Module ?
[22:09:53] <millhouse> i did the first part...
[22:10:03] <millhouse> is there a way to query cpan for modules?
[22:10:27] * quasi kicks $self - putting an fs on that 1T filesystem might help in mounting it *sigh*
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[22:11:21] <tld> Anyone know the license of the CDDL license?  I'm curious if I can use it for my own stuff.
[22:11:40] <tld> nm
[22:11:56] <tld> Something about Google.  The second you give up on finding a definitive answer and ask, you find it. :I
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[22:12:22] <axisys_> millhouse: that does query and install
[22:12:29] <quasi> tld: it is roughly the same license as the mozilla license - just not filled with the mozilla name
[22:12:34] <axisys_> millhouse: there might be a different command just to query
[22:12:38] <RElling> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq
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[22:15:34] <millhouse> nm...think i got it
[22:20:29] <axisys_> is there a sunray channel there? i want to add a second sunray server and introduce loadbalanace and failover
[22:20:44] <flyingparchment> is U160 SCSI, 80MHz Wide?
[22:20:49] <axisys_> current sunray server is a 440 and the second one will be T2000
[22:21:48] <sommerfeld> flyingparchment: i've not seen scsi that fast in a narrow variety
[22:22:11] <flyingparchment> sommerfeld: so it could be 160MHz Narrow.. but isn't?
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[22:22:30] <sommerfeld> flyingparchment: uh, something like that :-)
[22:22:37] <flyingparchment> heh, ok
[22:23:26] <sommerfeld> (ok, SAS is, in some sense, ultra-narrow, but...)
[22:24:11] <flyingparchment> this controller is so stupid, i have to reboot it to enable another scsi id
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[22:24:55] <the-decider> ooh, fast & wide & scsi.  just like the way elektronkind likes his women
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[22:36:48] <e^ipi> anyone happen to know if ultrasparc3-cu has a documented MMU ?
[22:37:15] <delewis> it should use what's in 'sfmmu'
[22:37:40] <delewis> the CUs all use something that is the Spitfire MMU or closely resembles it.
[22:37:49] <delewis> at least to my knowledge, anyway.
[22:38:04] <e^ipi> okie, cool
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[22:40:01] <hrlmec> Can someone tell me what the followign two kernel modules do and why they were installed?  fcp, logindmux
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[22:44:46] <sommerfeld> see fcp(7D) for the former.  I think it's an older fcal driver used with usoc.
[22:46:00] <sommerfeld> the latter is used by the in-kernel STREAMS telnet/rlogin accelerators
[22:46:07] <jmcp> fcp ain't so old
[22:46:16] <WickedWicky> do you ever sleep?
[22:46:17] <jmcp> fcp is what's used for enumerating
[22:46:18] <jmcp> no
[22:46:30] <jmcp> enumerating devices attached to FC ports
[22:46:41] <hrlmec> hmm...telnet and rlogin are both disabled on the server...should this module still be loaded?
[22:46:48] <sommerfeld> source is in usr/src/uts/common/io/logindmux.c; there's a big block comment near the start of the file explaining is reason for existence
[22:47:10] <sommerfeld> hrlmec: to paraphrase the waiter: it won't eat much
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[22:47:58] <hrlmec> yea..this is more curiosity.   We have three identical servers...all built off the same flash archive with the same software installed.  Only on one of them these two modules are enabled for some reason but not on the others.  I'm curious more than anything.
[22:48:26] <sommerfeld> do you mean "loaded" rather than "enabled"?
[22:48:32] <hrlmec> yea..sorry
[22:48:53] <sommerfeld> immediately after a reconfiguration boot you expect most or all driver modules loaded
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[22:49:40] <sommerfeld> if the other two servers have booted more than once while the first one has only booted once after install...
[22:50:13] <hrlmec> gotcha...will reboot them all tonight and see if they all come up the same again
[22:50:34] <sommerfeld> you can also do a "modunload -i 0" to unload stuff that's not currently needed.
[22:51:07] <hrlmec> oh...thanks.
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[23:02:02] <coffman> hmm in the last couple of snv was there a change of the zones behaviour? b70-72 or so
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[23:02:22] <Pedro1> any laptop specialists around?
[23:02:32] <coffman> Pedro1: just ask
[23:05:02] <peemus-home> is there a way in zfs to manually fail a drive (w/out unplugging it) ?
[23:05:28] <flyingparchment> peemus: zpool offline, iirc
[23:05:51] <flyingparchment> zpool offline foo c1t0d0
[23:07:17] <peemus-home> hmm, that didn't cause my spare to get used
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[23:08:38] <peemus-home> flyingparchment: is the offline command supposted to trigger the spare to be used?
[23:08:52] <flyingparchment> i don't know, but i'd assume not
[23:09:55] <Triskelios> how do I deal with __attribute__((__packed__)) in Studio 11?
[23:11:25] <flyingparchment> Triskelios: use studio 12.  ;)
[23:11:34] <flyingparchment> Triskelios: or use #pragma packed, iirc (check the manual)
[23:11:40] <flyingparchment> maybe #pragma pack
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[23:12:23] <Triskelios> okay - I have to build libgpod in Studio 11 as part of a mozilla-based program (S12 has a bug that prevents building mozilla)
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[23:16:46] <peemus-home> so i unplugged my sata drive and my zpool spare was used - i plugged the drive back in but how do i get the system to recognize it?
[23:17:09] <sommerfeld> zpool replace
[23:17:26] <peemus-home> even though it's not showing up in the format command?
[23:17:27] <flyingparchment> someone asked this a while ago with their thumper and no-one found a way to make it recognise hot-plugged drives
[23:17:34] <flyingparchment> that was when it was using the crappy not-really-sata driver
[23:17:42] <flyingparchment> peemus: try devfsadm; then cfgadm -c configure
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[23:35:36] <peemus-home> is blogs.sun.com down for anyone else?
[23:36:46] <holcomb> aye
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[23:39:55] * coffman wonders if you can get empty drive slides for the thumper and how much they cost
[23:41:46] <Pedro1> is 4965agn supported
[23:41:50] <Pedro1> thats by intel
[23:42:05] <alanc> Sun Ray team published their request for an OpenSolaris community - this should be fun...
[23:42:26] <coffman> oO
[23:44:13] <quasi> alanc: as long as they roll in a few truckloads of sunrays in and hand them out to osol people, I'm sure they'll be welcome ;)
[23:44:34] <coffman> they better hand out the code!
[23:44:59] * coffman wants that dirt
[23:45:00] <alanc> they've said they will hand out code - but not yet which parts of it
[23:45:28] <quasi> iirc that was supposed to happen 2 years ago
[23:45:46] <alanc> I don't think Sun Ray has ever promised to open source anything before today
[23:46:10] <Tpent1> wow
[23:46:18] <quasi> maybe it was just a free download then
[23:46:38] <quasi> it was on the "soon to be free" list very early on
[23:47:04] <alanc> two years ago would be about the time it was available for a short time as part of the "all sun software is free" ("Red October") plan, before they pulled out and went back to charging for it
[23:47:34] <quasi> yeah, that's it
[23:48:25] <coffman> alanc: wasnt even jonathan surprised that they charge again?
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[23:48:46] * quasi starts saving for a sunray 2FS again
[23:48:46] <alanc> coffman: I don't know, was he?
[23:49:05] <coffman> seen some open letter around about it
[23:49:35] <coffman> ~2 months ago or so
[23:50:42] <quasi> a bit like the storagetek AVS thing
[23:51:18] <alanc> ah, never saw that
[23:51:42] <coffman> quasi: maybe it was about both
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