[00:00:01] <e^ipi> less likely to flake out?
[00:00:15] <delewis> no clue. just making an observation. :-)
[00:00:46] <delewis> I would've guessed that because the x4150 is slightly more expensive than the x4100, hardware support would've been slightly more for it.
[00:01:09] <delewis> (base price on the x4100 is $2,000 vs. $3,000 for the x4150)
[00:01:39] <delewis> right now I've got an x4150 identically configured to an x4100 and it's only $500 more, because of the hardware support being less.
[00:01:48] <delewis> and the x4150 is by far a more expandable system.
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[00:07:24] <quasi> not bad at all
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[00:08:57] <quasi> just like buying the x2100 barely makes sense compared to the x2200 if you want more than 512M memory
[00:09:34] <delewis> quasi: yep, the x4150 seems to be a lot more sensical around the $5,000-$6,000 range, as that's when the x4100 and x4150 meet up price-wise.
[00:09:46] <delewis> and this particular x4100 configuration is only one dual-core proc vs. the one quad-core proc in the x4150.
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[00:31:09] <hollenjf> my disk maxed out, and it wouldnt let me boot, so I had to mount single safe and delete files so I can boot my system.. I deleted /opt.. so everythiign I had installed from blastwave is gone.. so now I'm reinstalling. it still thuinbgs everytihg is still there  but when I try to execute some binaries, they are looking for libs. can I just do a total reinstall of all previously installed blastwave bin's?
[00:32:15] <jmcp> hollenjf: there's a right way and a wrong way to get this to happen
[00:32:18] <jmcp> gimme a sec
[00:34:05] <jmcp> hollenjf: the right way to do this is as follows:: pkgrm all the blastwave packages from your system. find a filesystem which has enough space for all the blastwave stuff you want/need, then use a loopback mount (man lofs) to mount that fs as /opt/csw, then (finally!) go and reinstall the blastwave packages
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[01:00:25] <CIA-26> mrj: 6515322 misc cleanup neaded for SUNWxsvc package
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[01:22:58] <elektronkind> no prob
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[01:55:30] <jbk> ahh.. better now...
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[02:06:37] <ipfw> SXDE B70 fails to boot, all I get are msgs about sendmail complaining the domain name is invalid, using short-name. The goes on to say desktop login, or console login, and never brings up either. System doesn't respond to _anything_
[02:07:46] <ipfw> Anyone got an Idea ?
[02:08:04] <nachox> if it got to issuing errors about sendmail then it successfully booted
[02:08:20] <nachox> i'd try booting in single user mode
[02:08:36] <ipfw> Box has nvidia _everything_ nic, grapics, chipsets blah, nforce3 etc
[02:09:13] <ipfw> nachox:  umm, its always booted into gdm/X before, this doesn't give me _any_ login, text console or otherwise
[02:09:29] <ipfw> boot to _safe_mode_ works, get a single user login that way, no errors
[02:10:03] <ipfw> this silent boot stuff sucks though, I want to see my errors of there are any :P
[02:10:21] <nachox> add some verbosity then...
[02:11:51] <ipfw> its booting with grub, know what option it needs off the top of your head?
[02:12:17] <nachox> i'd bet -v
[02:12:28] <ipfw> I might just try the Solaris 10 build instead of SXDE, I have to get something on this box soon
[02:12:36] <ipfw> nachox:  thanks, I'll give it a shot
[02:17:33] <sommerfeld> ipfw: -v for verbosity.  -s for single-user mode
[02:19:52] <ipfw> sommerfeld !
[02:20:11] <ipfw> sommerfeld aye, its me... sponix, sponix2ipfw .... I'm home now, so not in need of solaris DVD's :)
[02:20:21] <ipfw> leaving back for Iraq in a couple days
[02:20:45] <sommerfeld> ah, that fell off my plate due to having a few systems at home explode on me.
[02:20:53] <ipfw> nachox:  tell me this isn't wild shit, I had already cycled power one time before, this time with the -v at the end of the kernel line (verbose), it fired over and went into JDS
[02:21:23] <ipfw> sommerfeld:  not a big deal, I'm fairly up to date for at least a few months now, got latest Solaris 10, and SXDE
[02:21:25] <sommerfeld> ipfw: sorry, I blew it.  i'll make sure to send you newer builds..
[02:22:02] <ipfw> sommerfeld:  was going to get SXCE B72, but heard their was some SATA issues being worked out, fix due out in release B74
[02:22:39] <ipfw> Like the new SXDE installer, had a bit of trouble with it hiding the xterm/console on me, other than that it was nice
[02:23:06] <sommerfeld> i actually haven't played with it yet (haven't done a non-jumpstart install in ages)
[02:23:10] <nachox> bah, new users dont want an xterm in the installer :)
[02:23:14] <ipfw> my graphics look like shit right now, going to hit up nvidia.com and stuck down the latest drivers, the installer said it did an nvidia pakcage though
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[02:23:52] <ipfw> nachox:  I just wanted to check and make sure it automagically setup my partitions with something decent, and it had
[02:24:09] <sommerfeld> if it's new hardware, the nvidia driver in the release may not be new enough.
[02:24:41] <ipfw> naw, this box is nvidia everything, but 2+ years old
[02:24:46] <ipfw> eMachine w502
[02:25:29] <ipfw> gf4 video nforce3/4 chipset, nic etc
[02:25:34] <ipfw> have to get the nic driver
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[02:51:20] <ipfw> this house is a pile of rubbish
[02:51:36] <ipfw> can't even run 2 computers off the same strip without taking the whole house out
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[02:55:58] <ipfw> advantages of zfs on a single drive ?
[02:56:07] <xinkeT> snapshots
[02:56:14] <ipfw> good point
[02:56:17] <xinkeT> checksums
[02:56:25] <xinkeT> compression
[02:56:27] <ipfw> have one 120G drive, think I'll zfs it
[02:57:27] <ipfw> Might tie it to the 100G I have free on my other drive, both with partitions, and just put it in a pool
[02:57:30] <ipfw> not sure
[02:58:48] <iron_angel> I'm looking for PCI Firewire S800 cards that work under OpenSolaris/SPARC. Is there a specific chipset I should look for/avoid, or is any OHCI chipset OK?
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[03:06:25] <nrubsig> Did anyone see comay today ?
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[03:22:14] <nrubsig>  /summon comay
[03:24:30] <nrubsig>  /summon --force --mmu_tant --terror911 --tentacle comay
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[03:24:37] <ipfw> anyone in here use a Geforce4 MX video with SXDE (latest release) ?
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[03:25:48] <nrubsig> huh ?
[03:25:53] * wesolows is taking over
[03:26:00] <wesolows> I'm K-lining all of you
[03:26:11] <nrubsig> ?!
[03:26:15] <nrubsig> wesolows: why ?
[03:26:18] <wesolows> prepare for a reign of IRC terror never seen before
[03:26:32] <nrubsig> erm
[03:26:37] <wesolows> you will say whay I want, when I want you to say it, and if you don't you're K-lined
[03:26:38] <nrubsig> wesolows: are you serious ?
[03:27:35] <wesolows> as serious as a punk rocker at a new kids on the block show
[03:28:16] <nrubsig> wesolows: was that a "yes" or a "no" ?
[03:29:05] <wesolows> of course I'm serious
[03:29:08] <wesolows> aren't I always?
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[03:29:31] <wesolows> like that's going to stop me
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[03:30:03] <storycrafter> serious as a brittany spears publicist?
[03:31:08] <wesolows> serious as a singing telegram
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[03:31:15] <nrubsig> groan
[03:31:21] <richlowe> we totally need to use wesolows as a singing telegram
[03:31:40] <nrubsig> wesolows: Ok, sorry for the /deop... but I had the feeling you're serious...
[03:31:55] <jbk> haha
[03:31:57] <wesolows> I can't K-line anyone...
[03:32:01] <nrubsig> Any idea what caused the mass k-line ?
[03:32:06] <wesolows> only the server owners/freenode staff can
[03:32:09] <wesolows> nope
[03:32:20] <storycrafter> richlowe, something like that seems to work for openbsd
[03:33:11] * dlg lookup
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[03:33:17] <dlg> ola jmcp
[03:33:36] <richlowe> dlg: I can't figure out what he was referring to.
[03:33:41] <richlowe> dlg: you guys have singing telegrams? :)
[03:33:45] <dlg> no
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[03:33:58] <richlowe> pity.
[03:34:02] <dlg> maybe i live too far away from the cvs server to hear them though
[03:34:05] <storycrafter> no, but songs for most releases...
[03:34:18] <jmcp> hiya
[03:34:18] <e^ipi> that's openBSD
[03:34:37] <dlg> oh yeah
[03:34:37] <e^ipi> terrible songs
[03:34:41] <e^ipi> horrible, horrible songs
[03:34:50] <wesolows> better than join us now and share the software, though
[03:34:53] <nrubsig> wesolows: That's nice: "... someone was fucking with me and he deserved the kline..."
[03:35:12] <e^ipi> seems reasonable to me
[03:35:17] <wesolows> huh?  he didn't say who it was, so he just K-lined the whole NAT?
[03:35:18] <nrubsig> wesolows: that happens if you use the wrong pattern for kline which kills a whole nat
[03:35:57] <nrubsig> wesolows: no, it just looks he just grabbed the host address and klined it with pattern
[03:36:06] <wesolows> brillian
[03:36:09] <nrubsig> shotgun effect
[03:36:15] <wesolows> nuclear bomb effect
[03:36:32] <wesolows> it took out most people in Menlo Park who know how to use a computer
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[03:37:20] <nrubsig> That happens if you tease freenode admins =:-)
[03:37:43] <jmcp> wtf happenedd?
[03:37:49] <nachox> lo nrubsig
[03:37:59] <nrubsig> jmcp: very angry person
[03:38:14] <jmcp> I figured that much
[03:38:15] <nrubsig> jmcp: ---> /msg
[03:39:04] <jbk> jmcp: collateral damage it would appear
[03:39:15] <wesolows> he got his hands on a copy of N1 and k-lined all of Sun in retribution
[03:39:32] <jmcp> seems fair actually
[03:39:33] <jbk> hahaha
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[03:49:18] <flyingparchment> jmcp: do you know if samfs "qwrite" could cause an application to see half-written data if it reads and writes the same part of a file at once?
[03:49:50] <jmcp> flyingparchment: nfi, sorry
[03:50:05] <nrubsig> flyingparchment: which version of samfs do you use ?
[03:50:10] <flyingparchment> 4.6
[03:50:32] <flyingparchment> having a strange issue with mysql (innodb) that i'm not sure could be explained by disk errors
[03:50:35] <nrubsig> I'd ask in storage-discuss at opensolaris dot org
[03:50:51] <nrubsig> technically it should not happen
[03:51:18] <flyingparchment> i have no idea if that's the actual cause, just wondering if it's possible.  (i remounted the fs without qwrite, to test)
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[03:56:39] <e^ipi> should building ON die on most warnings?
[03:56:50] <wesolows> yes
[03:56:53] <richlowe> No.
[03:56:55] <wesolows> it should die on any warning
[03:56:59] <richlowe> It should *fail* on any warning
[03:57:03] <richlowe> it should continue building the rest though
[03:57:04] <richlowe> nightly uses make -k
[03:57:09] <wesolows> true
[03:57:37] <e^ipi> it apparently dies on  "constant promoted to unsigned long"
[03:59:02] <storycrafter> has anyone talked (joked) about a mips port project?
[03:59:04] <storycrafter> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180161988402&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008
[03:59:21] <e^ipi> storycrafter: why not? if you've got the skills, go for it
[03:59:48] <sommerfeld> the source tree needs a bit of refactoring to make adding ports easier..
[04:00:16] <e^ipi> I'm personally interested in seeing it ported to all the living architectures
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[04:00:56] <dlg> e^ipi: so just amd64?
[04:01:22] <e^ipi> IBM still wants to sell you POWER, intel still wants to sell you Itanic
[04:01:38] <e^ipi> piss poor job that they're doing in that department, but w/e
[04:01:56] <holcomb> itanium is still around?
[04:02:46] <nachox> ask intel
[04:02:49] <e^ipi> holcomb: yes, intel released a new version  a little while ago
[04:03:39] <jbk> hp and certain isv's are keeping itanic alive
[04:04:16] <dlg> actually, i really wouldnt mind seeing solaris on itanium
[04:04:38] <nachox> as long as intel does the porting...
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[04:05:00] <dlg> theres some big boxes with those chips in it, and solaris is the only os that i like on smp systems
[04:05:01] <e^ipi> nachox: or the community *shrug*
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[04:21:02] <kaiwai> hmm, UNISYS makes 32way intel x86 machines
[04:21:11] <kaiwai> too bad its loaded with windows datacentre
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[04:23:32] <dlg> werent cray doing big opteron boxen?
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[04:24:54] <flyingparchment> hm, apparently this scsi card won't realise that some targets disappeared
[04:30:59] <kaiwai> dlg: IIRC it was a bunch of blades hooked up by Infaband or something
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[04:31:17] <dlg> thats cheating
[04:31:46] <kaiwai> IIRC I think you're referrign to: http://www.cray.com/products/xt4/index.html
[04:31:51] <jmcp> infiniband, surely
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[04:32:54] <kaiwai> Wasn't Sun at one stage looking at selling 8+ AMD processor boxes?
[04:33:12] <richlowe> Unisys have a bridge-hypertransport kinda thing of their own, iirc
[04:33:17] <richlowe> which isn't the same as cray's
[04:33:31] <dlg> kaiwai: x4600?
[04:33:42] <kaiwai> must be the x4600
[04:33:42] <richlowe> x4600 is 8 socket.
[04:33:45] <nrubsig> does anyone remeber the IPv4 address of the Sun NAT which was klined ?
[04:34:00] <richlowe> nrubsig: use /lastlog
[04:34:21] <nrubsig> richlowe: unknown command
[04:34:33] <kaiwai> richlowe: it would be neat if they offered Solaris as an option on their 32 way machines
[04:34:43] <richlowe> jmcp: thorough, much?
[04:36:34] <nrubsig> jmcp: ping!
[04:36:54] <sommerfeld> x4600 is 8-socket, dual-core.  i'd imagine a quad-core variant is on someone's todo list.
[04:38:42] <dlg> does anyone know what chipsets are used on the amd blades for the 6000 chassis?
[04:39:39] <storycrafter> ugg.  trying to lu-upgrade both a blade 1000 and a (VM) x86 installation to b73 and managed to lock both up
[04:40:31] <storycrafter> niether due to b73, of course
[04:40:55] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: ----> /msg
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[04:41:52] <jamesd> http://blogs.sun.com/aland/entry/svosug_kernel_tcp_ip_evolution  <--- concall started
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[04:43:44] <jbk> one of these days there might actually be a osol user group around here
[04:43:56] <dlg> jbk: where's here?
[04:43:59] <jbk> houston
[04:44:02] <jbk> supposedly there is one
[04:44:21] <jbk> but over the past 2 months, was never able to get ahold of the person that was organizing it
[04:44:26] <jbk> nor was a location ever given
[04:45:29] <solariscat> package naming convention, is opensolaris going to follow sun in renaming packages from SUNW to JAVA?  ie SUNWemacs to JAVAemacs?
[04:45:35] <jbk> which given the size of houston (600+sq mi not including all the suburbs and unincorporated areas), not something you want to try to guess about :)
[04:46:12] <flyingparchment> Sep 28 02:42:12 inetd[333]: Property 'name' of instance svc:/network/nfs/rquota:default is missing, inconsistent or invalid
[04:46:13] <sommerfeld> solariscat: no.
[04:46:16] <flyingparchment> what does that mean?
[04:47:38] <richlowe> sommerfeld: I was fairly sure Sun weren't going to do that, either.
[04:47:42] <richlowe> but we sure won't, if I could stop it.
[04:47:51] <richlowe> even if I find the idea of JAVAtcsh and such hilarious.
[04:48:32] <solariscat> richlowe: i was tasked with evaluating the feasibility of this.
[04:48:45] <solariscat> branding needs to be consistent
[04:49:10] <richlowe> why is wesolows never awake when we need him?
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[04:50:19] <jamesd> richlowe, he's a kernel coder its part of his job description.
[04:50:50] <sponix> I'm getting 640x480 res, need to setup monitor/resolution, is there an easy way ?
[04:51:13] <richlowe> sponix: I thought JDS had some xrandr based GUI thing buried in the prefs menu somewhere.
[04:52:58] <sponix> the gnome/jds resolution control doesn't let me select anything else
[04:53:14] <sponix> and it seems I have no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[04:53:34] <jamesd> its hidden... look for a  . file.
[04:53:54] <richlowe> copy /etc/X11/.xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, edit the copy.
[04:55:13] <sponix> Xorg --configure didn't work either... hmm
[04:56:26] <sponix> nothing about resolution in .xorg.conf either
[04:56:45] <sponix> wtf is .video.devs
[04:58:06] <sponix> monitor is WF 1907, and is detected fine by Ubuntu 7.04... can I rip sections out of its xorg.conf ?
[04:58:32] <jamesd> try it and see...
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[05:00:17] <sponix> would updating my nvidia drivers, and letting it detect/modify my xorg.conf stand a chance ?
[05:00:31] <nrubsig> maybe OSOL should be the new package prefix...
[05:00:38] <sponix> think it just looks for proper nvidia entries in xorg.conf and not resolution/screen though
[05:00:59] <solariscat> nrubsig: JAVA sounds much better because of brand recognition
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[05:01:14] <sponix> also, my box seems to boot with kernel -v, but not without -v (let it set for 2+hours) .. How odd is that ?
[05:01:36] <sponix> not sure why verbose boot would make it work lol
[05:01:39] <flyingparchment> if sun is going to start calling everything java, they should come up with a new name for the programming language and vm that used to be called java
[05:01:51] <bda> Javajava.
[05:02:03] <jamesd> ijava, vjava
[05:02:04] <solariscat> java is like i in ipod iphone etc
[05:02:22] <sponix> Java-Solaris, Java-Java, Java-sparc
[05:02:35] <flyingparchment> sun java c++ compiler
[05:02:41] <solariscat> sponix: exactly, leverage the well known brand
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[05:02:47] <sponix> Java-Netbeans
[05:02:50] <richlowe> whoa, a troll with persistance.
[05:02:53] <richlowe> flyingparchment: nice.
[05:03:06] <solariscat> in fact SUN should be renamed to JAVA
[05:03:17] <solariscat> Jonathan Java
[05:03:21] <solariscat> should be the CEO
[05:03:28] <sponix> <- rotflmao
[05:03:59] <sponix> honestly who gives a fsck about the name, they can name the company horny toad for all I care
[05:04:11] <sponix> in fact, I might like that name !
[05:04:11] <solariscat> horny toad jave
[05:04:17] <sponix> Horny Toad Unix !
[05:04:39] <sponix> we should petition it !
[05:04:55] <sponix> OMG, got a tear, I'm laughing so hard
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[05:11:17] <gnut> hi... has anyone experienced problems setting up a linux branded zone on snv_72?
[05:11:24] <gnut> I got the set up to work
[05:11:26] <gnut> networking works
[05:11:52] <gnut> but when I try to log in via ssh, I get  lx_brand.so.1: not found.lx_brand.so.1: not found./bin/bash: Permission denied
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[05:13:06] <storycrafter> well, that's a shame.  b73 won't play nice with vmware 5.5
[05:13:46] <ipfw> jamesd sommerfeld: any idea why my box will boot with -v in the boot string (verbose) but not without it ?
[05:14:00] <storycrafter> time to give vpc a crack
[05:14:46] <sommerfeld> ow.  heisenbug
[05:15:09] <sommerfeld> does boot -s get you anywhere?
[05:15:49] <sommerfeld> another thing to try would be to boot -kd (under kmdb) and then break back in to kmdb when it hangs.
[05:16:11] <richlowe> if you can.
[05:16:26] <sommerfeld> stock entry for that is: http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
[05:16:34] <richlowe> another trick (though I forget the function), is to break on module load, and step until it hangs, to get a vague idea
[05:16:44] <richlowe> s/step/continue/
[05:16:45] <richlowe> not literally step
[05:21:00] <ipfw> sommerfeld, yeah it will boot -s
[05:21:08] <solariscat> i had a problem upgrading from u3 to u4.  I
[05:21:21] <solariscat> turns out the nvidia drivers cause it to hang
[05:21:26] <xinkeT> is anyone setting up zfs boot from within a jumpstart miniroot?
[05:21:36] <ipfw> without -v it hangs totally, ctrl+c does nothing... no response, let it set for 2+hours nada
[05:21:53] <solariscat> ipfw do you have a geforce MX 4 graphics card?
[05:21:58] <sommerfeld> not so useful if you don't.
[05:22:01] <ipfw> sommerfeld, I just put -v in menu.list for now
[05:22:17] <richlowe> ipfw: if you boot -k, let it hang, then hit F1-A, does it dump you to kmdb?
[05:22:18] <ipfw> yes, its a gf4 MX something, built on board
[05:22:25] <solariscat> yup that's the problem
[05:22:39] <solariscat> the Quatro drivers fuck it up
[05:22:54] <solariscat> uninstall them and you'll be happy as a clam
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[05:23:04] <ipfw> really hmm
[05:23:25] <ipfw> can I update with the latest nvidia driver from nvidia.com after that, or will it hose it up as well ?
[05:23:41] <solariscat> don't know haven't tried
[05:23:54] <ipfw> also, how do I get the pkg name
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[05:24:20] <ipfw> pkginfo|grep Quatro ?
[05:25:22] <jmcp> ipfw: pkginfo |grep NVDA
[05:26:23] <ipfw> removing both NVDAgraphics && NVDAgraphicsr will just go to standard X "nv" instead of "nvidia" correct ?
[05:26:53] <jmcp> if you're running X in "automagically determine everything" mode
[05:26:58] <jmcp> then that's what I would assume
[05:30:51] <ipfw> while I ask stupid questions, why did I just have to plumb my nfo0 again after reboot, what makes that stick ?
[05:31:29] <jmcp> do you have an /etc/hostname.nfo0 file which contains your hostname (NOT fully qualified domainname), and is your hostname listed in /etc/hosts ?
[05:34:02] <ipfw> pretty sure, will double check
[05:34:50] <ipfw> yep
[05:35:21] <jmcp> do you have svc:/network/physical:nwam enabled or disabled?
[05:36:00] <ipfw> disabled
[05:36:20] <jmcp> that's quite strange then. I'm all outta ideas, sorry
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[05:47:22] <solariscat> does pf run on solaris 10?
[05:49:47] <jmcp> we've got ipf
[05:50:22] <solariscat> why not pf?  openbsd guys think its better
[05:50:31] <jmcp> that's great for them
[05:50:36] <jmcp> Sun hired Darren Reed
[05:50:58] <solariscat> they should hire theo
[05:51:03] <jbk> hahaha
[05:51:12] <solariscat> just keep him in a cage
[05:51:37] <Gman> i believe our cages are full up
[05:52:12] <jbk> hey gman
[05:52:19] <Gman> hi jbk
[05:53:18] <Tempt> Hiring Darren was such an obvious (and good) move.
[05:55:05] <jamesd> theo opensource official version of BOFH/
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[05:58:09] <ipfw> so where does Xorg read the xorg.conf file from, I can't get it to change my default resolution for anything
[05:58:43] <jmcp> if you've got one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf it'll use that, otherwise it automagically senses
[05:59:12] <ipfw> have one there
[05:59:31] <ipfw> still doesn't like 1024x768, gives me 640x480 over and over
[05:59:42] <jmcp> so have a look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for EE lines
[05:59:46] <solariscat> ipfw: shoot the computer
[05:59:49] <ipfw> ok
[05:59:58] <ipfw> solariscat, might do that
[06:01:10] <ipfw> and to make sendmail shutup with that using short name crap ?
[06:01:54] <jbk> can turn it off
[06:02:12] <jbk> or stick sometihng like 'hostname.foo.com' as an alias in /etc/hosts
[06:02:35] <ipfw> think things depend on it, I'll check
[06:02:54] <ipfw> svcs -d sendmail or svcs -D should tell me riiight ?
[06:03:07] <jbk> one of them
[06:03:10] <bda> oops, I guess the colo was really serious about rolling outages while they upgrade their routes.
[06:03:14] <bda> Yay for screen.
[06:03:21] <bda> s/routes/routers/
[06:04:58] <ipfw> shit, think the box is hanging again wtf
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[06:06:40] <solariscat> ipfw: smash it with a hammer for not booting!
[06:06:51] <jbk> i need to look at the packaging stuff this weekend...
[06:08:05] <ipfw> failsafe works
[06:08:18] <ipfw> box is fine, its graphics/monitor that keep Solaris guessing
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[06:22:02] <ipfw> whats this viewport 0 0 stuff in xorg.conf instead of mode lines ?
[06:22:08] <ipfw> that the crap that hoses up my X ?
[06:23:08] <elektronkind> you might want to google for x.org configs for your card
[06:23:25] <elektronkind> and the xorg.conf directives are xplained in the man page too
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[06:25:06] <kaiwai> dear god
[06:25:11] <kaiwai> what type of graphics card is it?
[06:27:08] <kaiwai> just douse it with petrol and set a lighter to it
[06:28:58] <e^ipi> unless it's a radeon7000, in which case mail it to me, because it's probably better than my current solution
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[06:39:58] <jbk> jmcp: just responed to your email
[06:40:07] <jmcp> ta
[06:44:40] <jbk> for the last bit (wrpr/rdpr), i might be too strict, i'll need to reread the defintion, however, i'm going to defer that till this weekend (and prepare myself with a few shots of whiskey first) :)
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[06:44:53] <jmcp> righto
[06:44:55] <jmcp> seems fair
[06:45:09] <jbk> those instructions were a headache to say the least :)
[06:46:43] <jbk> it would be interesting to know how the closed version handled it any better... but ohwell
[06:46:48] <jbk> err if
[06:54:12] <jbk> nrubsig: ever get your travel plans figured out?
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[07:24:27] <solariscat> BSM
[07:24:44] <solariscat> is it a good idea to enable this?
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[08:13:05] <e^ipi> anyone know if VMS runs in an emulator at all?
[08:13:59] <g4lt-sb100> yeah, i think it's simh
[08:14:02] <brendang> Gman: G'Day
[08:14:27] <boyd_> Yep, simh does VAX
[08:14:40] <richlowe> and I think I've seen that VMS worked in there.
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[08:15:15] <boyd_> Yes, I've done it at some point
[08:15:34] <e^ipi> okie, all i needed to know
[08:15:36] <e^ipi> thx
[08:16:00] <g4lt-sb100> though I think simh is more designed to emulate tops ;P
[08:18:07] <richlowe> nah, I think simh started out with the intent of having the backends be switchable like that.
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[08:23:28] <g4lt-sb100> okay, it was designed to emulate tops hardware ;P
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[08:26:46] <jharr> say I wanted to suggest a feature for ZFS... Who should I talk to?
[08:26:53] <jharr> or where should I post it?
[08:27:01] <johnlev> zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org
[08:28:55] <quasi> morning
[08:29:02] <jharr> good morning.
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[08:50:36] <andyshack> Hey folks, I've gorgotten what ports I've asked webmin to listen on. Is that info hanging around in a config file somewhere that i can change ?
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[08:59:43] <andyshack> oh I think I've found it :)
[09:01:56] <asyd> 10'000?
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[09:05:13] <andyshack> Naye, I changed them and cant find where i documented it.
[09:06:08] <andyshack> I've got the googles onto it.
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[09:09:04] <WickedWicky> morning
[09:09:30] <g4lt-sb100> andyshack, whyy not just strobe/nmap yourself
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[09:11:12] <andyshack> Thats beyond me although ill look into it. I've buckled into wanting a gui to look after the apache vhosts as im starting to loose track of them all in flat text.
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[09:15:53] <g4lt-sb100> lsof will also tellyou what ports are being listened on
[09:16:34] <g4lt-sb100> shit, did I just fall into linsuxism
[09:16:51] <andyshack> maybe, although i can get lsof from sunfreeware
[09:17:17] <andyshack> Have you got some native syntax up your sleeve ?
[09:18:26] <g4lt-sb100> netstat also works, but you have to do some flag-fu
[09:20:35] <andyshack> netstat -an = potential joy
[09:21:50] <g4lt-sb100> actually, just straight netstat piped through a pager and you just dump athe pager after you get done with the TCP status
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[09:29:50] <andyshack> Login to Webmin! Thank you.
[09:30:48] <WickedWicky> netstat -an | grep tcp | grep LISTEN && netstat -an | grep udp | grep LISTEN
[09:30:56] <WickedWicky> I wrote an alias for that called ports
[09:30:57] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:31:20] <andyshack> ill save that and andd shortly
[09:32:12] <trochej> Coffee?
[09:32:33] <WickedWicky> yes please!
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[09:35:01] <jmcp> WickedWicky: how about     netstat -an |egrep "tcp.*LISTEN|udp.*LISTEN"
[09:35:47] <g4lt-sb100> I still think that netstat|less is easier
[09:35:58] * jmcp generally dislikes vgrep
[09:36:44] * g4lt-sb100 generally dislikes grep at all when dealing with human-parsing
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[09:46:57] <WickedWicky> I just got word there is another V240 waiting to flirt with me, on my desk
[09:50:22] <andyshack> I've got one sitting in a rack waiting to be hammered with a mallet by me.
[09:51:21] <andyshack> I cant connect to the fux0r so i've declared it either stuffed, or myself stupid.
[09:52:25] <andyshack> The scales are 50 / 50 on it at the moment until I buy a real prefab console cable to rule out 80% of my potential stupidity
[09:58:11] <andyshack> I think I might go down there and touch it some more, although it does sadden my further every time i fail to discover any output.
[09:58:29] <andyshack> cheers for the help folks!
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[10:56:01] <rasputnik> morning all
[10:58:31] <rasputnik> quick sanity check. Is anyone else having trouble with recent linux kernels connecting to S10 machines?
[11:00:41] <tsoome> no problems. dont use linux at all
[11:03:39] <rasputnik> tsoome: nor do I, but all my clients come in through ISPs which use transparent Linux proxies.
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[11:04:07] <rasputnik> I think it's some kind of new stupidness with recent linux kernels and tcp window scaling, but I need to figure out a workaround.
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[11:05:35] <renihs> rasputnik, disable tcp window scaling
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[11:05:54] <renihs> rasputnik, but its default on sol10 too
[11:06:07] <renihs> and on linux since .19 afaik
[11:06:13] <renihs> and on vista :)
[11:06:40] <renihs> rasputnik, vista boxes have the same issue, i tracked that issue once
[11:06:45] <renihs> are you using pf?
[11:06:51] <rasputnik> renihs: .19 is what is f-cking us. Vista, Linux, Networe.... like I say I think it's an intermediate router tripping something out.
[11:07:21] <rasputnik> renihs: yeah, ipf is the next suspect
[11:07:28] <renihs> i mean ipf :)
[11:07:30] * renihs hides
[11:07:54] <renihs> rasputnik, i tracked the issue to ipf once but the solution didnt make any sense
[11:08:15] <renihs> and i wiped my memory about it, can dig up the mail conversation with the university though :)
[11:08:26] <rasputnik> renihs: stupid solutions are very welcome at this point. the students are back on monday O_o
[11:08:30] <renihs> except disabling window scaling on linux :)
[11:09:44] <renihs> rasputnik, my memory starts fading in a bit, i think i got so mad because the tcp offload engine messed my sniffings
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[11:10:04] <renihs> so i couldnt debug in a sane manner, which costs me additional time and put me on the wrong track first :)
[11:11:03] <renihs> lemme compare the works and dont work ipf script which "solved" the problem
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[11:12:41] <rasputnik> renihs: thanks a lot man
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[11:15:03] <renihs> hmm i only have the final long (bug shows) and short (bug doesnt show) ipf script, that doesnt make sense (again)
[11:15:14] <renihs> are you doing flag inspection? i think it was related to that too
[11:16:31] <rasputnik> renihs: let me replicate it on my s10 desktop, I'll just run up apache
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[11:21:07] <renihs> rasputnik, i put some snippets of communication up at http://pastebin.ca/718315
[11:21:18] <renihs> we had at least 2 independend issues
[11:21:45] <renihs> there are 2 links you might wanna check out
[11:21:57] <renihs> not sure what/if anything applies to your szenario
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[11:23:13] <rasputnik> renihs: thanks again, I think it's the window issue for us (because we know disabling it on the client fixes things).
[11:23:54] <renihs> ya pretty sure but i am not sure which of the final solutions was used (disable flag inspection/make custom rules) or hmm
[11:24:16] <renihs> it was a medical university :)
[11:24:34] <rasputnik> this is the just regular kind of university :)
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[11:29:19] <renihs> rasputnik, i might be able to help afterwards a bit but i never truly understood the final issue, sadly i am very new to ipf
[11:29:28] <renihs> but now i have to walk my bosses dog :)
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[11:30:09] <renihs> my first love was netfilter and learning something different afterwards is ...difficult :P
[11:30:41] <rasputnik> renihs: I remember ipf from my BSD days, first decent firewall  used (coming from linux ipchains).
[11:30:50] <rasputnik> renihs: thanks for the help
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[11:31:05] <renihs> coming from bsd it should be easy indeed
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[11:37:21] <rasputnik> renihs: right, I'm off to see the admins on the broken boxes. Thanks again, see you later
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[13:08:56] <WickedWicky> oh for f sake
[13:09:24] <WickedWicky> this thing wont even turn on when you press the power button, how cool is that
[13:09:47] <WickedWicky> I plugin both power suplies, the critical alarm is set and the repair led is orange
[13:17:33] <jamesd> very cool...  it can't get heat if it wont power on.
[13:19:09] <WickedWicky> true
[13:19:19] <WickedWicky> even cooler is the SC resetting itself all the time loading the image
[13:19:29] <WickedWicky> I think I'm gonna call this an ex-netra, it is no more
[13:20:25] <PerterB> it's just resting
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[13:30:42] <trochej> http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=254
[13:30:44] <trochej> ROTFL
[13:30:49] <trochej> A classical FUD
[13:31:00] <WickedWicky> I hope the SCC card isnt damaged
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[13:47:24] <kaiwai> scc?
[13:48:06] <trygvis> system configuration card
[13:48:17] <trygvis> contains the ID of the system, including the MAC and hostid of a system
[13:48:26] <kaiwai> ah
[13:49:20] <rasputnik> I have a cast-off blade 1000. lovely box, but doesn't want to tell me what's wrong. no terminal or vga output, just sits there and farts..
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[13:58:56] <kaiwai> yeah, got mplayer to compile - and it works :)
[14:02:25] <WickedWicky> and this is why I love platinum contracts: hello Sun, my v240 doesnt power on. We're sending someone right away
[14:03:47] <WickedWicky> with a new systemboard
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[14:05:09] <rasputnik> I think my support is going to be 'ebay for random parts' :D
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[14:07:59] <Cyrille> that's the "rusty bit of iron" contract, right? ;-)
[14:08:57] <rasputnik> Cyrille: the 'dumpster', yeah.
[14:13:51] <rasputnik> right, time for a bit of lunch and a drool over the iPod Touch that just arrived in town
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[14:24:07] <kaiwai> hmm, joy
[14:24:23] <kaiwai> rasputnik: what desktop os do you run?
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[15:18:32] <ansari> hi everyone
[15:19:48] <ansari> hey
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[15:31:04] <rasputnik> bah, no ipod touches in cardiff until next week
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[15:51:02] <WickedWicky> things not to do on an x86 machine, bfu, reboot... with a bootable CD in the drive
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[15:57:40] <toblun> Do I need to fill all memory slots in a bank on my E450?
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[15:58:58] <quasi> toblun: most likely you do
[15:59:26] <toblun> quasi: Ok, tnx.
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[16:00:53] <quasi> toblun: you can most likely find the answer in the system handbook on sunsolve.sun.com
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[16:04:18] <toblun> quasi: I know, but I only got a serial console here. So its kinda hard.
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[16:06:20] <quasi> just telnet www.sunsolve.com 80
[16:06:21] <quasi> ;)
[16:06:37] <toblun> hehe
[16:06:49] <rasputnik> toblun: you're not running IRC on the serial console, are you?
[16:07:05] <toblun> rasputnik: Why not?
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[16:07:36] <rasputnik> you mean you are?
[16:08:23] <toblun> yepp
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[16:08:43] <rasputnik> oh, fair enough :)
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[16:11:01] <holcomb> serial4life
[16:11:02] <toblun> Pretty it aint... Functional it is
[16:11:24] <rasputnik> hard to watch porn on tho
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[16:12:09] <holcomb> doesn't mplayer have a text output mode?
[16:12:20] <toblun> aalib
[16:12:30] <rasputnik> holcomb: actually, yes. But you can only see what's going on from across the room.
[16:12:35] <toblun> You can play doom with aalib.
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[16:13:59] <Gekz[PDA]> toblun: as if you would
[16:14:07] <Gekz[PDA]> aalib sucks :/
[16:14:08] <quasi> toblun: you can also go play catch on the freeway - that still doesn't mean it is a good idea ;)
[16:14:57] <toblun> hehe
[16:15:03] <toblun> True
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[16:16:31] <toblun> Hmm, the machine refuses to boot now.
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[16:19:35] <PerterB> maybe it caught a virus from IRC ;)
[16:20:09] <toblun> hehe, its not the same machine...
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[16:22:16] <Vanuatoo> It's funny that wget is not included in the default installation of SXDE (Developer Group)
[16:22:39] <flyingparchment> the install clusters are stupid
[16:22:42] <flyingparchment> just always use All ;)
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[16:26:22] <tomww> Vanuatoo:  which wget
[16:26:23] <tomww> /usr/sfw/bin/wget
[16:26:56] <peemus> i think he's saying it doesn't get installed when you only install the "Developer Group"
[16:27:12] <peemus> instead of the default "Entire Group"
[16:28:33] <toblun> Back in business with a workstation with X. :)
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[16:33:47] <tomww> peemus: possible. I ever install the whole beast :-)
[16:34:30] <peemus> me too, i had a coworker once who liked to install just the Core - it was a PITA to manage
[16:36:25] <Vanuatoo> peemus: I meant that
[16:36:45] <Vanuatoo> wget should be included in every group that has some business with network
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[16:42:55] <oninoshiko> is it possable to add a cluster? ie, i installed using the minimal cluster, but want to go to all, but really dont want to re-install the whole machine
[16:43:12] <oninoshiko> and i dont want to have to add everything by hand -.-
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[16:43:40] <tek-ops> ugh
[16:43:47] <tek-ops> I'm having trouble getting my sil3512 card working
[16:44:33] <tek-ops> I just a fresh install of sedr 9/07, but had to move my root drive to the on-board ICH7 controller, because it wasn't being detected on the sil3512
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[16:46:31] <tek-ops> either way, /etc/driver_aliases didn't have an entry for the 3512, so following the output of /usr/X11/bin/scanpci I then ran "update_drv -a -i '"pci1095,3512"' si3124"  however prtconf -D shows it as pci1095,6512
[16:48:15] <Vanuatoo> And also Why home directory is not in the places?
[16:50:34] <tek-ops> I just did a "touch /reconfigure;reboot" maybe it needs some clean up?
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[16:52:22] <tek-ops> that didn't help, hah
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[16:53:53] <tek-ops> I thought that the sil3512 was supported
[16:53:59] <alanc> *sigh*  had to play proxy server roulette to find one freenode hadn't banned
[16:54:22] <tek-ops> ouch, sorry to hear that alanc
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[16:55:26] <alanc> the bay area ones result in ' Banned:  Please do not run bots or clones on freenode. '
[16:55:43] <tek-ops> ahhh
[16:56:03] <quasi> alanc: you just need to talk to freenode staff - they only allow a few connections/ip
[16:56:35] <quasi> alanc: at least we've managed to get the to allow more from a proxy at times
[16:57:58] <alanc> they knew it was the Sun NAT server, since they'd set our hostname to "nat/sun/...."
[16:58:26] <quasi> someone prolly forgot
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[17:00:29] <tek-ops> isn't there a way to run fdisk such that you can choose which device from a list
[17:00:40] <bda> format
[17:00:43] <tek-ops> yea
[17:01:03] <tek-ops> I just figured it out, damn, the disk on that card isnt coming up
[17:02:08] <tek-ops> so prtconf show the devices that the kernel reconizes as attached and loaded, right?
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[17:03:44] <tek-ops> I don't understand how is shows pci1095,6512 when that's not referenced anywhere in /etc/driver_aliases
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[17:08:50] <holcomb> check prtconf -pv - sometimes pci devices have compatibility entries for other pci numbers that are in driver_aliases
[17:09:17] <holcomb> so your card is 1095,6512, but it's compatible with 1096,6500 or something
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[17:10:05] <tek-ops> well it's a 3512
[17:10:16] <tek-ops> but yes, the compatible list incudes a 6512
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[17:10:37] <tek-ops> so does that mean this isn't a problem?
[17:10:57] <holcomb> it could be - it might not actually be compatible
[17:11:33] <tek-ops> I've read irc conversations and blogs of people getting the 3512 to work for them
[17:13:23] <peemus> does anyone know how to set a default router/gateway with nwam?
[17:13:44] <peemus> i've tried putting it in the /etc/defaultrouter file but nwam must be looking somewhere else
[17:15:55] <holcomb> not to change the subject - but has anybody set up ipqos before?  I'm finding the docs to be a little dense... maybe just not enough coffee this morning
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[17:18:57] <peemus> i think maybe none of us have had enough coffee this morning...
[17:19:05] * peemus sips my own coffee
[17:22:17] <tek-ops> ok, this is actually a firmware issue
[17:22:18] <tek-ops> damn
[17:22:41] <tek-ops> the only flashtools are for windows or dos, hahaha, where am I going to get a dos boot disk
[17:22:46] <peemus> can you flash it? i know some of the sil3114 chipset sata cards had to be flashed to work
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[17:23:11] <peemus> bootdisk.com  : )
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[17:24:25] <tek-ops> why are all of these .exe's
[17:25:25] <peemus> oh that bites
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[17:25:36] <tek-ops> hah, oh wait, svrops.com
[17:26:33] <tek-ops> nope, same problem, ok I'll leave you all alone
[17:26:48] <tek-ops> oh wait, real quick
[17:27:01] <tek-ops> is it safe to flash a pci bios with freedos?
[17:27:30] <peemus> no idea
[17:28:19] <peemus> i would _imagine_ that as long as it got you a dos environment that things should run pretty much the same
[17:28:23] <peemus> but don't hold me to that
[17:28:32] <tek-ops> ok
[17:31:05] <oninoshiko> ive done it to a ethernet card in free dos (PRO/1000 iscsi boot)
[17:31:20] <oninoshiko> but, as always YMMV
[17:32:48] <tek-ops> that's good enough
[17:33:05] <tek-ops> i mean this card was only $15, i'd just like to give it a shot since i have the day off... and it's here now
[17:34:02] <oninoshiko> thats definitely cheaper then the PRO/1000s :p
[17:34:13] <tek-ops> indeed :)
[17:34:59] <oninoshiko> and i am planning on doing all future flashes on this setup (i only have SATA cdroms in the machines, so... yeah... most "real" doses dont like that so much)
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[17:37:49] <tek-ops> I'm using a usb floppy drive, hahaha
[17:37:56] <tek-ops> pray for me :P
[17:37:57] <myrkr> hi all
[17:38:25] <tek-ops> hi
[17:38:54] <myrkr> driver code examples include #ifdef _MULTI_DATAMODEL; but where is it suposed to be defined?
[17:39:17] <myrkr> Am I supposed to add -D_MULTI_DATAMODEL to my 64 bit compilations?
[17:39:37] <tek-ops> no clue, sorry
[17:39:40] <myrkr> :)
[17:40:54] <tek-ops> to be honest, I can't even begin to guess what that's referring to
[17:42:46] <myrkr> aparently, it's a macro used to differentiate code that's different in 64bit and 32bit kernel modules
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[17:44:09] <tek-ops> well, my core 2 duo is still coming up as i686pc ...
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[17:44:24] <tek-ops> so I dont even have my system running as 64bit right now
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[17:46:33] <myrkr> tek-ops: oh? my core 2 duo is running an amd64 kernel ;)
[17:46:45] <tek-ops> how did you get it to do so?
[17:46:56] <elektronkind> tek-ops: what's the output of 'isainfo -b' ?
[17:47:13] <tek-ops> oh, good catch
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[17:47:45] <myrkr> isainfo -k shows the type of the running kernel
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[17:48:00] <tek-ops> when I saw i86pc in the prtconf -D output I was thrown off
[17:48:16] <myrkr> tek-ops: as for your question: I installed solaris ;)
[17:48:23] <myrkr> tek-ops: ah ;)
[17:48:44] <elektronkind> isainfo -k on a 32bit system will reply with "i386"
[17:48:49] <elektronkind> instead of amd64
[17:49:04] <tek-ops> yea I see amd64, nice, thanks
[17:49:09] <myrkr> ;)
[17:49:27] <shark> hi! I try to install solaris express 09/07 developer, but he say to me that "could not copy file /solaris_11/product/locale/c/.clustertoc to /a/var/..../.clustertoc" and stop install.
[17:50:08] <shark> Install from DVD. DVD-R is ok. How to fix?
[17:50:32] <myrkr> ah, #include <sys/isa_defs.h> seems to be the header to include (I wonder why that's not included in the kernel code examples I've seen)
[17:51:59] <myrkr> shark: check if your device/fs is ok?
[17:52:38] <toblun> Does anyone know what this error message is. Its from a E450, Ive tried with a lot of other memory-modules. http://www.df.lth.se/~toblun/error.txt
[17:53:23] <shark> hdd is ok, I install win 2003 now to this hdd.
[17:54:05] <shark> And I have 2 hdd. Solaris say "could not copy..." to both.
[17:54:51] <myrkr> shark: did you check the install log? (I seem to recall there should be one)
[17:54:52] <shark> fs... I select " auto layout" in solaris.
[17:55:03] <PerterB> toblun: looks like a dodgy simm or a damaged pin
[17:55:48] <shark> no, i don't check log.
[17:57:11] <toblun> PerterB: Since Ive tried with a lot of different memory-modules thats a I know of work. A damaged pin in the memory-bank?
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[17:59:17] <PerterB> quite possibly... I'm no OBP diags expert, but it seems to be pointing to a specific pin (or bit) that's wrong... do you get the same numbers with different simms?
[18:00:05] <shark> I can't look at install log, because. Solaris say that he could not install all packages and stop. Nothing works. Only reset:(
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[18:01:32] <toblun> PerterB: Yepps, same numbers.
[18:02:55] <shark> And I try to install solaris update 4, but he show only grub string, without menu, don't boot kernel.
[18:03:06] <toblun> Hmm, need some food. BBL.
[18:03:09] <PerterB> so that would suggest there's a bad data path for that bit (worst case a broken track somewhere, best case a bent pin in the simm connecter)
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[18:07:01] <tek-ops> here goes the freedos disk, attempting to flash this bios
[18:07:07] * tek-ops crosses fingers
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[18:12:23] <tek-ops> :D well it's writting... this could be good or bad
[18:14:30] <tek-ops> well the write completed with no errors :D  lets see what solaris has to say
[18:14:50] <elektronkind> o solaris, what doth thou sayeth
[18:14:57] <tek-ops> HAHAHAHA
[18:15:02] <tek-ops> nice one
[18:15:19] <tek-ops> oh by the way, I'm hitting up a psytrance party saturday
[18:15:26] <tek-ops> you don't happen to be in the NYC area, do you?
[18:16:10] <tek-ops> .... and elektron is gone
[18:16:13] <elektronkind> sweet. the 28th day party in brooklyn?
[18:16:18] <tek-ops> yea, hah
[18:16:21] <elektronkind> nah, I'm in DC
[18:16:34] <tek-ops> that's cool that you know if it
[18:16:51] <tek-ops> do you know Tony and ... his girl's name is slipping my mind
[18:17:16] <tek-ops> he's not spinning at this one, but I think he's running the audio
[18:17:54] <elektronkind> met him briefly this past summer I think. As far as NYC peeps go, I'm more aquainted with the omnitribe guys. those wacky russians.
[18:18:09] <tek-ops> hah, never been
[18:18:28] <tek-ops> but russians really know how to throw an electronic music party, no matter what the genre is
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[18:18:38] <elektronkind> when you're at the party, say hey to dj laryn for me. ask her if she still has her button. she'll laugh.
[18:18:52] <tek-ops> hah, ok, definitely
[18:18:53] <elektronkind> oh yeah, they're nuts. in a good way. but still nuts.
[18:19:01] <tek-ops> hahaha, well put
[18:19:11] <tek-ops> wait wait, say "elektronkind"?
[18:19:17] <tek-ops> will she know what that means
[18:19:22] <elektronkind> elektronkind yes, or dale
[18:19:27] <tek-ops> ok cool
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[18:19:37] <tek-ops> FUCK YEA, it picked up the drive
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[18:19:51] <tek-ops> hah, sorry, this card has been useless to me for months
[18:20:30] <oninoshiko> YAY!
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[18:21:16] <tek-ops> oh shit, no
[18:21:26] <tek-ops> it just picked up the two ata interfaces, no drives...
[18:21:38] <tek-ops> elektron you come up here for parties often?
[18:21:49] <oninoshiko> aww :(
[18:22:10] <tek-ops> oni i'm sorry to disappoint :(
[18:23:55] <oninoshiko> atleast it didnt start a fire
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[18:27:16] <oninoshiko> if it make you feel any better im soring out some porblems with intel on these pro1000s
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[18:29:04] <tek-ops> a little
[18:29:15] <tek-ops> but I doubt silicon images will return my phone calls
[18:30:51] <oninoshiko> you have no idea how hard it was to find someone at intel who would listen to me -.-
[18:31:29] <tek-ops> actually I can imagine that
[18:32:18] <tek-ops> hmm... I'm at a bit of a loss though, why can solaris now see the two ata options (under prtconf -D) but not see the attached device when it's recognized by the controller on POST
[18:32:53] <elektronkind> are the drives behind a SATA port replicator?
[18:32:58] <elektronkind> s/replicator/multiplier
[18:32:59] <tek-ops> nope
[18:33:07] <tek-ops> it's just a two port card
[18:33:11] <tek-ops> wait a minute
[18:33:12] <peemus> is it just using the ata driver for the sata drives?
[18:33:18] <tek-ops> yes peemus
[18:33:27] <elektronkind> hmm. ata driver
[18:33:28] <peemus> then you should be good
[18:33:28] <oninoshiko> hrm... have you looked in cfgadm?
[18:33:45] <tek-ops> do you think that maybe the two ports are really only one, and just using a multiplier?
[18:33:48] <elektronkind> shouldn't it using the si3124 driver?
[18:33:53] <tek-ops> yes it is
[18:34:01] <tek-ops> oh wait, not ide
[18:34:06] <tek-ops> ata
[18:34:25] <tek-ops> but the drive, when placed on the ICH7 in ide mode comes up as SD
[18:34:28] <g4lt-sb100> uhm, ATA IS IDE...
[18:34:51] <tek-ops> I realize that, however, I'm not sure what all is still psuedo'd with this chip
[18:35:40] <tek-ops> it says pci-ide instance #1 (driver name: si3124)
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[18:35:54] <tek-ops> with two ide (driver name: ata) under it
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[18:36:12] <peemus> do you have 2 drives connected?
[18:36:13] <elektronkind> what does 'cfgadm -al' show ?
[18:36:16] <tek-ops> thats "ide (driver name: ata)"
[18:36:34] <tek-ops> I see sata1/0-3
[18:36:44] <tek-ops> however, I'm guessing thats the ICH7 card
[18:36:45] <elektronkind> but no drives under it
[18:36:48] <elektronkind> ah
[18:36:49] <tek-ops> no
[18:36:53] <tek-ops> all empty
[18:37:05] <tek-ops> even though the root drive is on the ICH7
[18:37:06] <elektronkind> can you pastebin that output?
[18:37:27] <tek-ops> ok
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[18:41:35] <gdamore> hi *
[18:42:05] <elektronkind> hi is not a valid typedef
[18:42:23] <tek-ops> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/718673
[18:42:31] <gdamore> oh right:  typedef struct salutations hi;
[18:42:37] <elektronkind> ;)
[18:43:21] <elektronkind> tek-ops: this silicon image card you have... it's only 2 port or 4?
[18:43:26] <tek-ops> 2
[18:43:30] <tek-ops> 3512
[18:43:40] <tek-ops> and that chip should only support 2 ports
[18:43:54] <tek-ops> however the ICH7 is a four port, which is why I assume it's referring to that
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[18:46:17] <elektronkind> does 'devfsadm -v' produce any output?
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[18:46:39] <Triskelios> tek-ops: cfgadm only lists scsi (removable) disks, so something actually using the ata driver will not be listed
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[18:47:01] <elektronkind> yeah, but if his drives are under a working sata driver, they'd show up there, too
[18:47:06] <tek-ops> devfsadm -v is blank
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[18:49:23] <tek-ops> hah, to be honest, I've never seen that come back blank before
[18:49:44] <tek-ops> though, that was all on supermicro boxes with LSI controllers :P
[18:49:45] <elektronkind> well it just means that the drivers didn't find anything new to attach to
[18:50:01] <tek-ops> fair enough
[18:50:02] <tek-ops> hmmm
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[18:50:28] <elektronkind> devfsadm is basically what is ran when you do a reconfigure reboot
[18:50:49] <tek-ops> oh right
[18:51:37] <sommerfeld> you'd expect it to be silent unless hardware has changed since the last time it ran.
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[18:52:30] <peemus> so your root disk is attached to the ich7 controller - do you have any disks attached to the sil3124 controller?
[18:53:35] <tek-ops> yes
[18:53:41] <tek-ops> a 500GB drive
[18:53:58] <tek-ops> I eventually want to mirror a twin to the root drive on the sil3124
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[18:55:30] <peemus> and you only see one drive when you use format? (sry, stupid question)
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[18:56:29] <tek-ops> oh crap
[18:56:40] <tek-ops> the firmware update bad it come up as an ide controller
[18:57:34] <elektronkind> can you edit options in the fw?
[18:57:57] <tek-ops> not that I can tell, i'm looking into it now
[18:58:05] <tek-ops> not with this current version, that is
[18:58:55] <peemus> is the sil3124 supported in sata mode or just ide?
[18:59:18] <tek-ops> sata, as far as i've seen
[19:00:13] <tek-ops> I haven't seen talk of it being supported in IDE, but I figured if the ICH7 is supported better in IDE mode, this would be as well
[19:00:53] <tek-ops> I'm going to load up the sata version of the driver
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[19:01:34] <Triskelios> in ATA mode, everything uses the 'ata' driver
[19:02:08] <tek-ops> does that mean it should be supported, then?
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[19:03:01] <Triskelios> yeah, barring strange quirks in the device
[19:03:15] <tek-ops> i think i found a strange quirk
[19:03:27] <tek-ops> the drive attached isn't detected at all
[19:07:07] <tek-ops> ok, back to having the RAID menu
[19:07:15] <tek-ops> however I dont have a raid set up
[19:07:31] <tek-ops> I'm loading back into solaris now
[19:08:00] <tek-ops> I wish I knew of a known working firmware version
[19:10:13] <tek-ops> hmm...
[19:10:52] <tek-ops> the only difference is that cfgadm -l says sata0 instead of sata1 and there are no instances under the sil3124 in prtconf -D
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[19:13:53] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: ping!
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[19:14:32] <tek-ops> brb, coffee
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[19:18:18] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: for the log: the kline for sca-ea-fw-1.Sun.COM should be gone now. Please confirm (and if I'm gone then post confirmation anyway sice drone will log it).
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[19:19:38] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: sorry, live humans in the doorway of my office get priority
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[19:20:11] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: shoot them!
[19:20:32] <nrubsig> The Live Human Doorway Shooter!
[19:20:56] * sommerfeld is more likely to shoot someone else via /kick
[19:20:58] <nrubsig> Now with new levels and bots, including the Famous Feeing Manager!
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[19:28:48] <stevel> awesome
[19:29:29] <g4lt-sb100> did he break the bridge again?
[19:29:43] <stevel> nope
[19:29:53] <johnlev> wow, it's an easy life not working at sun.
[19:30:35] <stevel> johnlev: yeah it was pretty rough sleeping in this morning, walking down to get coffee and croissants, and then trying to figure out what time i need to catch the bus to the airport
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[19:31:06] <johnlev> I almost did the same, both my wake-up call AND the stupid hotel room alarm didn't happen
[19:31:15] <stevel> nice
[19:31:19] <stevel> how was the svosug meeting?
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[19:41:26] <tek-ops> ok, back
[19:43:57] <tek-ops> hah, ok, this is probably an easy one
[19:44:10] <tek-ops> why can I resolve domain names with nslookup, but nothing else
[19:44:27] <stevel> because nslookup is using DNS explicitly
[19:44:33] <tek-ops> ahhh
[19:44:34] <stevel> your other tools are probably following /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:44:59] <peemus-home> look at /etc/nsswitch.dns
[19:45:20] <tek-ops> on it now, thanks
[19:45:25] <tek-ops> wow I feel slow
[19:45:28] <tek-ops> hmm
[19:45:39] <tek-ops> hosts and ipnodes have files dns
[19:45:58] <peemus-home> hmm, are you using nwam?
[19:46:13] <tek-ops> not deliberately
[19:46:26] <tek-ops> I'm not sure what it is, but if its on by default, then probably
[19:46:31] <peemus-home> what build are you on?
[19:46:36] <tek-ops> 9/07
[19:46:39] <tek-ops> sedr
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[19:47:04] <peemus-home> hmm, i don't know if nwam is in sedr or not
[19:47:11] <peemus-home> do svcs -a |grep physical
[19:47:48] <tek-ops> it's online
[19:48:02] <tek-ops> woah nsswitch.conf looks like binary format or something
[19:48:54] <bda> O_o
[19:48:57] <tek-ops> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/718754
[19:49:09] <tek-ops> that's kind of crazy
[19:49:13] <peemus-home> i thought you said it had "files dns" for hosts and ipnodes
[19:49:26] <tek-ops> it does in /etc/nsswitch.dns
[19:49:46] <peemus-home> ah, sry, you need to cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:49:51] <peemus-home> back it up first tho
[19:49:51] <stevel> nsswitch.conf probably got corrupted somehow
[19:50:00] <tek-ops> hmm....
[19:50:07] <tek-ops> what should it look like, hah
[19:50:17] <peemus-home> it should look like nsswitch.dns
[19:50:22] <peemus-home> but be named nsswitch.conf
[19:50:26] <WickedWicky> you could try to cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:50:44] <tek-ops> that fixed it, thanks
[19:50:49] <WickedWicky> as mentiioned 2 seconds ago
[19:50:50] <tek-ops> no I wonder how that happened
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[19:51:37] <tek-ops> s/no/now
[19:51:56] <tek-ops> I wonder what else may be corrupted
[19:52:36] <peemus-home> tek-ops: i had to head home for a bit, did you get it to recognize your drive?
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[19:52:48] <tek-ops> nope
[19:52:55] <tek-ops> but thank you for asking
[19:53:19] <tek-ops> basically, when I put the IDE-mode firmware on, prtconf -D shows the two ATA port options
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[19:53:32] <tek-ops> however, no drives are detected as attached
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[19:54:08] <tek-ops> when I put the SATARAID firmware on (currently on)  I shows nothing under the "pci1095,6512, instance #0 (driver name: si3124)" entry in prtconf -D
[19:54:55] <tek-ops> Now, I'm torn, do I leave it as non-working with the IDE or SATA firmware, hah
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[19:55:38] * tek-ops would like to clarify that he is only kidding
[19:56:31] <WickedWicky> what's even more hilarious is this
[19:56:46] <WickedWicky> # /usr/apache2/bin/apachectl start
[19:56:47] <WickedWicky> Segmentation Fault - core dumped
[19:56:53] <tek-ops> you win
[19:56:56] <Fish-> hello
[19:57:13] <tek-ops> getting storage working can't compare to apache
[19:57:14] <peemus-home> haha
[19:57:25] <tek-ops> wickedwicky what are you trying to run, just out of curiousity?
[19:57:34] <tek-ops> I realize apache, but what's the web app in the end?
[19:57:39] <WickedWicky> so, my advise to the world: Dont try to compile onnv-gate (at least 74) with SS12, it's gonna compile, it's gonna let you bfu, acr, everything
[19:57:42] <WickedWicky> but weee for segfaults
[19:57:47] <peemus-home> wickedwicky, what build?
[19:57:50] <peemus-home> ah
[19:58:03] <WickedWicky> I did this on purpose even
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[19:58:59] <tek-ops> I'm curious, post grub, do the kernel look to /etc/vfstab for what to mount as root?
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[20:00:52] <millhouse> i have a bash/perl question...
[20:00:59] <tek-ops> its worth a shot
[20:01:00] <tek-ops> :)
[20:01:37] <millhouse> i'm trying to parse information about ZFS,  So, say I do 'zpool list -H -o size'.  It gives me "3.80T".  How can I strip the "T" off so I'll just get 3.80?
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[20:02:03] <tek-ops> regex?
[20:02:33] <tek-ops> you do want it in TB and not KB, right?
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[20:03:05] <millhouse> well, if i can get just the number back that would work because then I can convert that simply by $var=($result)*100
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[20:03:57] <tek-ops> hmmm
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[20:04:38] <tek-ops> I'd switch ( regex ) and case for the format T, G, M?
[20:04:49] <tek-ops> then do substr then math
[20:04:58] <tek-ops> thats just me
[20:05:01] <millhouse> k
[20:05:03] <millhouse> thanks
[20:05:13] <tek-ops> definitely, I hope that's helpful...
[20:05:19] <millhouse> it is :)
[20:05:22] <tek-ops> ok cool
[20:05:37] <tek-ops> hah, if my zpool was up, I'd code it for you...
[20:05:46] <tek-ops> I kinda of want to cacti this whole system
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[20:06:37] <tek-ops> I think an OpenSolaris template might be useful to more than just me
[20:07:32] <peemus-home> now i've got a drive question...
[20:07:39] <millhouse> i've really liked what little i've seen of cacti
[20:07:54] <tek-ops> I genuinely enjoy the project
[20:08:06] <tek-ops> rrdtools in general are VERY useful from an SA perspective
[20:08:09] <peemus-home> in the bios, under the sata controller - i want ahci mode right?
[20:08:15] <tek-ops> peemus
[20:08:18] <tek-ops> whats the chipset?
[20:08:26] <peemus-home> ICH9r
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[20:08:30] <tek-ops> no
[20:08:36] <tek-ops> you want compatible mode
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[20:08:52] <tek-ops> only ICH5? and ICH6 are supported by solaris' AHCI driver
[20:08:53] <tek-ops> yet
[20:09:11] <peemus-home> ah, so i'll have to use ide mode
[20:09:16] <tek-ops> yea, sorry
[20:09:24] <tek-ops> I have to as well with my ICH7...
[20:09:46] <peemus-home> what's the difference? speed right?
[20:09:55] <tek-ops> I think it's revision
[20:10:05] <peemus-home> i mean between the 2 modes
[20:10:06] <tek-ops> so, I'm not really sure speed is it
[20:10:11] <tek-ops> oh
[20:10:20] <tek-ops> well and all the SATA features
[20:10:31] <tek-ops> one, that's very important to me, hot-plugging
[20:10:39] <peemus-home> ah
[20:10:43] <tek-ops> yea... :-/
[20:10:47] <tek-ops> but all in good time
[20:11:57] <peemus-home> will it still run at 300mb/s?
[20:11:57] <tek-ops> though, theres not been much talk on it in driver-discuss... but I'm keeping hope, I think intel released all the docs, so it can be done
[20:11:57] <tek-ops> well... that I can't tell you
[20:11:57] <peemus-home> k
[20:11:57] <tek-ops> however, how many drives are you connecting?
[20:11:57] <tek-ops> each can probably only handle 50 anyways
[20:11:57] <peemus-home> 9
[20:11:58] <tek-ops> woah
[20:11:58] <peemus-home> 1 for os, 8 for storage
[20:11:59] <peemus-home> : )
[20:12:00] <tek-ops> to one ICH8?!
[20:12:04] <tek-ops> err ICH8
[20:12:06] <tek-ops> damn it
[20:12:09] <tek-ops> ICH9
[20:12:15] <tek-ops> i loath little keyboards
[20:12:25] <peemus-home> na, the ICH9r has 6 ports, then 2 on the Gigabyte SATA chipset (whatever that is
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[20:12:41] <peemus-home> and i have a 4 port sil3114 pci card
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[20:13:14] <peemus-home> so i have a little room to expand :)
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[20:13:23] <tek-ops> that chip may also only work in IDE mode
[20:13:41] <tek-ops> though I can't yet vouch for any sil cards... that's what I'm struggling with now
[20:13:54] <tek-ops> my last resort is a server board
[20:14:11] <tek-ops> and toss a pair of LSI pci-x sas cards in
[20:14:12] <tek-ops> :D
[20:14:19] <tek-ops> though I'd rather just get SATA working
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[20:15:27] <tek-ops> do you run devfsadm -C then devfsadm or vice verse
[20:16:34] <peemus-home> well I think i'm gonna head back to work
[20:16:38] <tek-ops> enjoy
[20:16:39] <quasi> devfsadm -Cv if you want to know what gets added/deleted
[20:16:44] <peemus-home> be back in a bit
[20:16:45] <tek-ops> good luck with the new system
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[20:16:54] <peemus-home> heh, i'll play more with it tonight
[20:16:59] <tek-ops> keep me posted
[20:17:01] <peemus-home> lunch break is over... :(
[20:17:03] <tek-ops> I'm curious what you find out
[20:17:03] <elektronkind> nom nom nom
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[20:21:32] <tek-ops> wait, do you HAVE to have the sil HBA create a "RAID" for solaris to recognize it?
[20:22:08] <elektronkind> it should have a "JBOD" mode
[20:22:27] <tek-ops> I'll check
[20:22:41] <elektronkind> sometimes it's also called "NRAID"
[20:22:42] <tek-ops> I only have one drive attached
[20:22:51] <elektronkind> I don't know what SI raid cards call it
[20:22:54] <tek-ops> it says "Not enough singe drives to create Raid set!"
[20:23:07] <tek-ops> looks like it's only raid 1
[20:23:28] <elektronkind> sounds like your drive needs to join a frat and attend mixers if its single
[20:23:36] <tek-ops> hahahaha
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[20:24:24] <tek-ops> what is e-PAD design?
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[20:33:49] <tek-ops> I'm trying older firmware
[20:34:21] <oninoshiko> i have these Supero SAT2-MV8 SATA-2 cards (PCI extended) 8 port, SATA2... then again, i dont know how much they cost (im not the one buying them) straight up SATA controllers, no RAID junk on them
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[20:34:58] <oninoshiko> so if your looking for somthing, these things work like a dream
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[20:35:06] <tek-ops> my mother board only has pcie x16 (video card in there) 3xpcie x1, and 3xpci
[20:35:27] <tek-ops> I'll probably have to get a new motherboard at this rate...
[20:35:29] <oninoshiko> they will work in normal PCI
[20:35:37] <tek-ops> really?
[20:35:49] <tek-ops> hmmm
[20:35:53] <tek-ops> what's the chipset?
[20:40:00] <tek-ops> ok, round 15, the absolute oldest and featureless firmware
[20:40:14] <oninoshiko> marvell 88SX
[20:40:19] <tek-ops> I have heard good things
[20:40:38] <tek-ops> actually, I had forgotten that PCI-X cards can still work in PCI slots
[20:40:49] <tek-ops> I kind of want to get the LSI SAS card
[20:41:04] <tek-ops> maybe two, just wonder if they do actually work well in regular PCI slots
[20:41:11] <oninoshiko> i had forgetten the chipset, because i havent had any real issues
[20:41:50] <tek-ops> that's a really good sign
[20:41:55] <tek-ops> I'm going to look thoses up
[20:41:58] <Teknix> oninoshiko: they are around $100
[20:42:07] <oninoshiko> the board i am using them in only has 32 bit slots... be this is just being used for iSCSI storage... im not so concerned about the bus
[20:42:35] <oninoshiko> like i said, i just know they work well under OS, im not the one paying the tab :p
[20:43:17] <millhouse> I'm having issues installing OpenSolaris in a VMware session
[20:43:22] <oninoshiko> although when i get around to building my fileserver, i will probibly use them
[20:43:29] <tek-ops> still less than half the LSI card
[20:45:44] <tek-ops> wait, is that the chip Sun puts in their x64 boxes?
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[20:50:17] <oninoshiko> i dont know, i dont have the luxury of sun branded hardware ATM :(
[20:51:39] <peemus> hello again
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[20:51:53] <peemus> tek-ops, what systems are you referring to - I have access to a few
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[20:53:49] <tek-ops> like an ultra 20?
[20:53:52] <tek-ops> :)
[20:53:53] <quasi> tek-ops: low end x2100 and x2200 is nvidia, the first x4100 were lsi
[20:54:11] <tek-ops> damn, I love the x4100 more than ever
[20:54:42] <tek-ops> anyone know off hand the the SATA chip is on the nvidia chipset
[20:56:01] <tek-ops> damn, the Ultra 40 M2 is sick
[20:56:07] <quasi> except the first x4100s was with an lsi that only did hw raid on the first set of drives
[20:56:08] <tek-ops> those prices kill me though
[20:56:09] <trs81> the x4500 has the marvell 88sxsomething
[20:56:40] <tek-ops> yup, that sounds like the chip for me then
[20:56:54] <trs81> http://blogs.sun.com/lidasblog/entry/sunfire_x4500_sata_driver
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[20:58:41] <quasi> tek-ops: supermicro does a board with the same chipset - 8 ports for about $100
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[20:59:54] <tek-ops> damn!
[21:00:08] <tek-ops> this is the obvious solution
[21:00:49] <tek-ops> thank you oni, peemus quasi, and trs  that's it
[21:01:38] <oninoshiko> no worries ^_^
[21:01:57] <quasi> tek-ops: http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm to be exact
[21:03:09] <oninoshiko> yep that would be the one im using ^_^
[21:04:50] <quasi> oninoshiko: still happy with it?
[21:05:05] <tek-ops> what do I lose by having only a PCI slot?
[21:06:06] <oninoshiko> tek-ops: speed
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[21:06:34] <tek-ops> I can always upgrade my motherboard as needed...
[21:06:40] <tek-ops> I like that solution a lot
[21:06:42] <tek-ops> thanks again
[21:07:16] <sommerfeld> a workload which is too fast for the slot can cause things like dropped ethernet packets
[21:07:21] <oninoshiko> quasi: yes, the only thing i would change is id like to have OpenSolaris automatically config devices when they attach/reattach. but i can
[21:07:30] <oninoshiko> can't blame that on the card
[21:07:44] <oninoshiko> and its only a minor inconvience
[21:08:06] <quasi> oninoshiko: did you file a bug / rfe?
[21:08:55] <oninoshiko> i beleave there is already one filed, ill double check over the weekend
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[21:09:36] <quasi> "The NForce 680a boasts 12 SATA ports.  Nevada builds 72+ should see these as SATA drives using the nv_sata driver"
[21:09:57] <quasi> sounds pretty interesting as well
[21:11:49] <quasi> or maybe not - it seems to be only for expensive mobos
[21:12:05] <quasi> ah, dual proc
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[21:12:13] <Teknix> and it accepts quad core chips
[21:12:49] <quasi> oh, it does? or is that with a different socket?
[21:13:08] <Teknix> well, i just did a newegg search on the nforce 680a and an asus board came up
[21:14:06] <quasi> probably the same board as I'm seeing then
[21:14:44] * oninoshiko drools
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[21:27:45] <tek-ops> If I'm moving my root drive from c1t0 to c0t0 do I only need to update /etc/vfstab, no root device is labeled in my grub/menu.lst
[21:29:51] <WickedWicky> yes, you do
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[21:32:02] <elektronkind> no love for Drone
[21:32:39] <tek-ops> there is no "root=" anywhere in my /boot/grub/menu.lst file at all
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[21:38:08] <WickedWicky> I meant, you have to edit /etc/vfstab
[21:38:09] <sommerfeld> tek-ops: solaris does this differently.
[21:38:19] <WickedWicky> and if you want to boot from your new disk
[21:38:27] <WickedWicky> you'll have to make it bootable/install grub on it
[21:38:34] <tek-ops> so is /etc/vfstab the only part that needs edited?
[21:38:58] <tek-ops> it already has one, I just want to plug it into a different controller now
[21:38:59] <sommerfeld> tek-ops: you need a root entry in menu.lst
[21:39:27] <sommerfeld> root (hd0,0,a)
[21:39:28] <sommerfeld> or
[21:39:34] <Triskelios> tek-ops: you need to edit /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc with the location of the new root device, too
[21:39:36] <sommerfeld> root (hd1,0a,a)
[21:40:26] <tek-ops> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/718886
[21:40:58] <tek-ops> I still have a linux install, waiting for new storage to migrate to zfs
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[21:43:59] <tek-ops> using grubsetup?
[21:44:43] <tek-ops> or installgrub rather
[21:44:55] <Triskelios> tek-ops: if you are just moving the drive you don't have to edit menu.lst, grub assumes the same slice menu.lst was loaded from
[21:45:07] <tek-ops> ok cool
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[21:45:23] <tek-ops> I'm trying to figure out bootenv.rc right now
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[21:46:22] <Triskelios> tek-ops: see the symlinks in /dev/dsk
[21:46:54] <tek-ops> that's perfect, thanks
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[22:01:03] <sparvu> hi all
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[22:10:27] <trygvis> I'm trying to give some services privileges and getting: svc.startd could not set context for method: setppriv: Not owner
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[22:30:12] <Bartman007> hmm, `format' is showing reporting one of my drives as "<drive type unknown>" yet it works fine in other operating systems
[22:30:48] <trygvis> that's normal with non-sun drives
[22:31:17] <Bartman007> trygvis: oh, all non-sun drives get hit with that?
[22:32:20] <sommerfeld> there's a "type" command in format which will recover from that
[22:33:24] <Bartman007> so by "non-sun" drives do you mean drives not issued by Sun, or drives not formatted by Solaris?
[22:33:29] <Triskelios> sommerfeld: isn't the only option "custom" in that case?
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[22:33:49] <peemus> i've had that happen recently
[22:34:14] <peemus> I had to get the specs (cyls, heads, etc) from the manufacturer's website and put them in
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[22:34:31] <Bartman007> was about to do that here, but I figured I'd ask first.
[22:35:19] <Triskelios> sometimes indicates weirdness with the driver for controller the drive is attached to
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[22:36:50] <Triskelios> most scsi, ata or sata drives will have the correct info, I've only seen this with usb storage and pcata
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[22:37:34] <Bartman007> Triskelios: quite possible, I exprienced the b72 "Cannot find install software" bug also.
[22:38:13] <Bartman007> (the hd in question is IDE, and so is the DVD drive that presented the problem)
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[22:51:28] <SplasPood> hrm... anyone attempt to install Sol 10U4 recently and find that smpatch, sconadm (and others?) are failing due to java version differences?
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[23:00:43] <peemus> i'm having trouble getting  my netmask to stick in sxce b73
[23:01:10] <peemus> anything special in sxce b73 vs. s10 ?
[23:02:23] <WickedWicky> did you set up /etc/netmasks properly?
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[23:02:55] <peemus> is the format "ip netmask" ?
[23:03:05] <WickedWicky> yea
[23:03:10] <Triskelios> "network netmask"..
[23:03:15] <peemus> it refers to it as "network-number" whatever that is
[23:03:18] <WickedWicky> 192.168.1.0     255.255.255.0
[23:03:21] <peemus> ah
[23:03:24] <WickedWicky> that's what I have
[23:03:52] <peemus> that did the trick
[23:03:53] <peemus> thanks
[23:04:03] <WickedWicky> no probs :)
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[23:16:44] <jbk> afternoon
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[23:29:58] <jbk> hey nrubsig.... were you able to get your travel arrangements worked out?
[23:30:12] <nrubsig> jbk: I am waiting for a reply
[23:32:30] <dclarke> I'll be back shortly ..
[23:32:33] <dclarke> gotta go eat
[23:32:35] <trygvis> anyone know what this means: svc.startd could not set context for method: setppriv: Not owner
[23:32:39] <nrubsig> dclarke: yes, mr T800
[23:32:55] <dclarke> abyone heard anything from inside Sun about the all hands on desk issue today ?
[23:33:14] <nrubsig> dclarke: all hands... what ?
[23:33:19] <dclarke> oh heck .. never mind .. I'll be back in 30 min
[23:33:47] <dclarke> oooh .. slamon tonight .. yum
[23:33:52] <dclarke> oooh .. salmon tonight .. yum
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[23:34:07] <nrubsig> dclarke: our first step to cancer
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[23:36:32] <jbk> i haven't heard anything
[23:36:45] <jbk> a friend of mine was layed off earlier the week though
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[23:40:31] <gimonroy> hi, could anyone help me with this problem? I've been trying to send the output of the time command: var=`time ls` ; echo $var >file
[23:40:35] <gimonroy> but it didnt work
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[23:40:49] <trygvis> time ls > file
[23:40:50] <gimonroy> so i tried:  time ls > file
[23:41:06] <tomww> what sould be in the file?
[23:41:07] <gimonroy> and send the ls output to the file
[23:41:10] <trygvis> err, time ls > 2&>1 file
[23:41:11] <tomww> the outout of "time" ?
[23:41:14] <gimonroy> but i want the time output
[23:41:35] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~>  time ls > 2&>1 file
[23:41:35] <gimonroy> real    0m0.016s
[23:41:35] <gimonroy> user    0m0.004s
[23:41:35] <gimonroy> sys     0m0.004s
[23:41:35] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~> more file
[23:41:36] <tomww> time ls 2>file
[23:41:36] <gimonroy> file: No such file or directory
[23:41:43] <gimonroy> sorry about the flood
[23:41:48] <Bartman007> tomww's soltuion should work.
[23:41:59] <Bartman007> time outputs on stderr
[23:42:16] <gimonroy> but it didnt work
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[23:43:04] <dosiu> (time ls) 2>file
[23:43:05] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~/vmware> time ls 2>file
[23:43:05] <gimonroy> borrame  DASIDM3  file  sles9sp3withedir-8.7.3.tar.gz  SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 2  Windows Vista (experimental)
[23:43:05] <gimonroy> real    0m0.116s
[23:43:05] <gimonroy> user    0m0.004s
[23:43:05] <gimonroy> sys     0m0.004s
[23:43:07] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~/vmware> more file
[23:43:16] <sommerfeld> "time" is a shell built-in.
[23:43:19] <gimonroy> file is empty
[23:43:23] <gimonroy> yes
[23:43:43] <sommerfeld> try /bin/time ls 2>file
[23:43:48] <gimonroy> how can i get the time output into a file?
[23:43:51] <sommerfeld> which invokes the non-shell-builtin
[23:44:09] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~/vmware> /bin/time ls 2> file
[23:44:10] <gimonroy> gimonroy@osuse:~/vmware> more file
[23:44:10] <gimonroy> bash: /bin/time: No such file or directory
[23:44:24] <gimonroy> didnt work either
[23:44:35] <dosiu> thumper-19.srv:root ~ > (time ls) 2>file 1>/dev/null
[23:44:36] <dosiu> thumper-19.srv:root ~ > cat file
[23:44:39] <dosiu> real    0m0.004s
[23:44:39] <dosiu> user    0m0.001s
[23:44:39] <dosiu> sys     0m0.003s
[23:44:42] <dosiu> ;P
[23:44:45] <WickedWicky> try /usr/bin/time
[23:44:45] <bengtf> or sh -c 'time ls' 2>& file , depending on shell
[23:45:41] <gimonroy> bengtf it woks!!
[23:45:52] <sommerfeld> gimonroy: /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin on solaris
[23:46:01] <sommerfeld> or, well, should be
[23:46:24] <WickedWicky> it is here to be honest
[23:46:26] <gimonroy> thansk
[23:46:41] <Bartman007> g
[23:47:15] <tomww> I'm shure ksh93 would have solved this at least in 1/10th the time *running* :-)
[23:47:23] <tomww> s/shure/sure/
[23:47:36] <sommerfeld> right after it solved world hunger and global warmening
[23:47:46] <tomww> *lol*
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[23:48:05] <WickedWicky> I use ksh93 and I still feel hungry
[23:48:07] <WickedWicky> should I patch?
[23:48:12] <tomww> yes!
[23:48:33] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: print the ksh manual and eat it.
[23:48:35] <jbk> sommerfeld: i heard it can cure cancer as well
[23:49:30] <Bartman007> jbk: that involves giving your first born sun to David Korn
[23:49:33] <tomww> man ksh93(medcine)
[23:49:37] <Bartman007> oops...  s/sun/son/
[23:50:34] <elektronkind> ksh93 can also clean litter boxes
[23:50:59] <WickedWicky> if you're next gonna tell me it gives decent bjs too I'll marry it
[23:51:02] <Bartman007> elektronkind: does it train your pets to use the toilet?
[23:51:22] <WickedWicky> serious though, I like ksh93
[23:51:29] <tomww> I bet: ksh93 would behave similiar and not redirect the time-outout to stderr in a way that is can be saved in a file.
[23:51:52] <WickedWicky> you can save stderr to a file too
[23:51:55] <WickedWicky> 2>file
[23:52:15] <tomww> sure, but how would the ksh93-build-in-time behave?
[23:52:25] <WickedWicky> try it
[23:52:36] <tomww> my machine is not ksh93 infected.
[23:52:42] <WickedWicky> or give me the command you wanna run
[23:52:45] <WickedWicky> and i'll run it for you
[23:53:14] <tomww> time ls 2> file
[23:53:30] <tomww> the time-output (got it) should appear in the file "file"
[23:54:12] <WickedWicky> it doesnt
[23:54:46] <WickedWicky> it does however
[23:54:51] <WickedWicky> when I use the -p option
[23:54:56] <WickedWicky> per specification of man time
[23:54:56] <tomww> honest? this happens with ksh93(bugfree)?
[23:55:00] <WickedWicky> no
[23:55:09] <WickedWicky> to print to stderr you need to use the -p flag
[23:55:10] <WickedWicky> man time
[23:55:30] <nachox> i'm puzzled, who will bmsheer bash when sun strikes a deal with ibm on power? :)
[23:55:54] <tomww> hmm. some lines above we learned, that the /usr/bin/time does work different from the build-in time
[23:56:11] <gimonroy> thanks for your help
[23:56:59] <WickedWicky> well obviously ksh93 calls /usr/bin/time then
[23:57:13] <WickedWicky> or the internal time of ksh93 behaves like /usr/bin/time
[23:58:20] <WickedWicky> $ truss time
[23:58:20] <WickedWicky> execve("/usr/bin/time", 0x080479A4, 0x080479AC)  argc = 1
[23:58:20] <WickedWicky> resolvepath("/usr/lib/ld.so.1", "/lib/ld.so.1", 1023) = 12
[23:58:20] <WickedWicky> resolvepath("/usr/bin/time", "/usr/bin/time", 1023) = 13





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