[00:00:20] <CIA-26> willf: 6608620 krb ldap putback broke the export source build
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[00:09:32] <coffman> gar, we try to get something better then adsl and have a hard time :(
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[00:51:40] <z1pp1ty> how do I know which /dev/dsk/... are actual harddrives in my machine?
[00:52:52] <brendang> z1pp1ty: iostat -En
[00:52:55] <jmcp> z1pp1ty: run       /usr/sbin/format < /dev/null
[00:53:02] <jmcp> brendang: that'll work for sd-attached, but not cmdk-attached
[00:53:12] <brendang> jmcp: and format needs root ;)
[00:53:21] <jmcp> meh
[00:53:22] * jmcp shrugs
[00:53:28] <brendang> jmcp: maybe we need more kstats
[00:53:31] <jmcp> always
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[00:53:58] <sommerfeld> each disk is represented by a set of devices with the same prefix but different suffixes.  commonly cNdNsN or cNtNdNsN; the "sN" are "slices"
[00:54:17] <sommerfeld> (c = controller.  t= target.  d=disk  s=slice p=partition)
[00:54:37] <jmcp> z1pp1ty: and if you're running x86 hardware, then /dev/dsk/*p0 is another reference point
[00:54:49] <jmcp> p1, p2 , p3, p4  are the DOS-style "primary partitions"
[00:54:52] <jmcp> and p0 is "whole disk"
[00:55:27] <z1pp1ty> iostat -En worked a charm
[00:55:32] <jmcp> good
[00:56:22] * elektronkind dreams of having a Public libdiskmgmt one day
[00:58:19] <z1pp1ty> raidz1 spares will get used automagically, no?
[00:58:30] <z1pp1ty> in case of disk failure that is
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[00:58:37] <stevel> SXCE 73 is available
[00:59:19] * Triskelios hopes to see 74 next week =P
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[00:59:53] <Gman> mmm, 2 more builds before i see gnome 2.20
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[01:00:05] <sommerfeld> z1pp1ty: zpool spares aren't part of raidz or mirror groups.
[01:00:06] <sommerfeld> oops.
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[01:00:44] <CIA-26> stevel: 6609758 bfudrop.sh shouldn't make assumptions about where BFU archives live ($CODEMGR_WS/archives)
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[01:02:17] <Gman> stevel, last putback as a sun employee? :)
[01:03:18] <wesolows> no way, putback from an empty office at 4:59pm on your last day
[01:03:25] <wesolows> preferably something complex and intricate
[01:03:35] <jmcp> gate migration to hg >?
[01:03:36] <wesolows> something in the kernel, maybe in the interrupt handling code
[01:03:45] <jmcp> locore.s
[01:03:59] <wesolows> another good choice, or maybe the real mode code
[01:04:02] <richlowe> trap code would be good for that.
[01:04:23] <Gman>  /usr/src/configure.ac
[01:04:24] <Gman> :)
[01:04:40] <wesolows> only do that if you want to set a record for fastest backout
[01:05:13] <richlowe> It'd almost be worth getting a workspace in that shape to see the reactions, especially if it worked.
[01:05:23] <wesolows> also, I will personally hunt you down and kill you, your family, and your dog, feed the bodies to an arc furnace, and bury the resulting slag in Yucca Mountain.
[01:05:29] <richlowe> move all the nightly flags into ./configure args...
[01:05:41] <richlowe> I think we could drive wesolows to mass murder.
[01:05:49] <wesolows> Just be sure you libtoolize everything in usr/src/lib
[01:05:57] <jmcp> that's what it's there fore
[01:06:06] <wesolows> Of course, that'd be no fun, because you could never get it to pass check_rtime
[01:06:21] <sommerfeld> translate it all into C++
[01:06:32] <jmcp> or Erlang
[01:06:41] <jmcp> or the new Object Fortran
[01:09:13] <stevel> gman: yup :-)
[01:09:49] <stevel> i'll putback onnv-scm tomorrow evening before i leave and swap /export/gate for /export/gate-hg
[01:10:23] <wesolows> be sure to delete the TW gate
[01:10:29] <wesolows> so that no one accidentally puts back to it
[01:10:52] <stevel> definitely
[01:11:43] <sommerfeld> there are too many clones of the gate for that to cause more than a minor disturbance in the force
[01:11:59] <wesolows> Sadly, yes
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[01:12:06] <stevel> i'll hunt them all down and kill them
[01:12:12] <wesolows> Though nuking the official clones would at least make it more interesting
[01:12:37] <richlowe> if he were to do that, I'd kill before any of you folk got chance.
[01:12:44] <jbk> evening
[01:13:17] <jmcp> hi jbk
[01:13:51] <jbk> hey jmcp
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[01:15:53] <flyingparchment> GNU Hurd uses an autoconf script for its kernel ;)
[01:16:10] <flyingparchment> maybe that's why it's never finished
[01:16:31] <wesolows> doubtful
[01:17:47] <wesolows> as much as I hate autotools, except for libtool they're not bad enough to prevent progress by themselves
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[01:18:18] <wesolows> the Linux configurator is pretty awful (or was, anyway) and it didn't stop them from making something that often boots
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[01:36:59] <hollenjf> I am trying to make a new FS on a slave HDD... i used format and fdisk to partition it... i used partition to  set the partition label, start cyl, and size. wrote the label. I am trying to use newfs /device but it says cant determine  partition size.. any help?
[01:37:52] <flyingparchment> hollenjf: you did newfs on /dev/rdsk/..., not /dev/dsk/...?
[01:38:29] <hollenjf> yes I did
[01:40:37] <jmcp> hollenjf: what's the exact command line that you typed in, and the exact error message you get?
[01:42:15] <jmcp> hollenjf: newfs /dev/dsk/.....s1
[01:42:32] <jmcp> that's /dev/dsk/c0d0s1, for your example
[01:42:37] <jmcp> c0d1, rather
[01:42:50] <flyingparchment> hollenjf: also paste your label somewhere (rafb.net/paste)
[01:43:30] <flyingparchment> hm, zpool status is giving funny numbers for resilver ETA.. it seems to decrease by 1 minute for every 5 real minutes :)
[01:43:47] <jmcp> flyingparchment: the more work that it does, the better its estimate gets
[01:43:56] <flyingparchment> it's at 90% now ;)
[01:44:25] <hollenjf> http://rafb.net/p/zJYRRz66.html
[01:44:53] <flyingparchment> hollenjf: you haven't created a slice.  you can't use s2, that's the backup slice (entire disk)
[01:45:11] <jmcp> flyingparchment: technically, you can use s2, but in practice it's a *bad* idea
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[01:46:57] <richlowe> jmcp: sounds like cowardice, to me.
[01:47:02] <sommerfeld> flyingparchment: the accuracy decreases if you have snapshots.
[01:47:31] <jmcp> richlowe: caution, thankyouvermuch
[01:48:06] <sommerfeld> (it's measuring its progress based on number of blocks actually dealt with.  snapshots tend to increase the amount of metadata it has to slog through to find the blocks it needs to resilver.)
[01:48:25] <flyingparchment> no snapshots.. i suspect it's confused because the pool is fairly highly utilised
[01:49:23] <hollenjf> flying: so do you have an idea why newfs wont let me make ufs on that partition?
[01:49:45] <flyingparchment> hollenjf: firstly, stop using s2 and create a normal slice (like s0)
[01:49:57] <hollenjf> I'm not
[01:50:04] <hollenjf> I'm not creating any slices
[01:50:10] <jmcp> hollenjf: why not?
[01:50:21] <hollenjf> i dont know how to
[01:50:31] <jmcp> rtfm on format(1m) then
[01:50:47] <hollenjf> :(
[01:50:48] <jmcp> if you're in the partition menu, type "help"
[01:51:07] <jmcp> it's not very hard, really
[01:51:39] <hollenjf> in the partition./.. help says NOTHING about creating a slice
[01:51:46] <flyingparchment> type '0'
[01:52:01] <hollenjf> 0 unassigned 0 0 0
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[02:29:54] <flyingparchment> hm.. apparently tightvnc decoupled themselves from the X source tree
[02:30:02] <flyingparchment> so you no longer have to do an entire build of X to build it ;)
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[02:33:04] * alanc has only unprintable things to say about building any Xvnc at the moment
[02:33:21] <alanc> though:
[02:33:22] <alanc> 58945 Xserver23119              Xvnc                          Dispatch request-done
[02:33:22] <alanc> 58946 Xserver23119              Xvnc                          Dispatch request-start
[02:33:24] <alanc> ....
[02:33:25] <flyingparchment> heh.  tightvnc seems to work okay. couple of xmkmf's and it builds
[02:33:58] <flyingparchment> trying to find a version of XFree86 that both compiled on Solaris and worked with RealVNC was fairly unpleasant though
[02:34:00] <alanc> just need to write the arc fasttrack to put that back
[02:34:18] <alanc> oh, I'm using fedora's patches to build RealVNC against Xorg 1.3
[02:34:41] <flyingparchment> will Xvnc ever be integrated in Xorg?
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[02:34:54] <alanc> so we use the same X server code as the main Xorg server, and get things like dtrace provider & TX for free
[02:35:22] <alanc> flyingparchment: only if someone produces a non-GPL Xvnc or X.Org is convinced to drop the MIT-license-only rule
[02:35:31] <flyingparchment> oh, gpl.  bleh
[02:35:43] <alanc> neither seems likely at the moment
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[02:35:50] <hollenjf> how do I change root's PATH?
[02:35:55] <flyingparchment> oh fuck
[02:36:02] <flyingparchment> i run make install in Xvnc and it overwrote half my /usr/openwin
[02:36:09] <alanc> PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:... ; export PATH
[02:37:20] <hollenjf> that dids not work
[02:37:29] <hollenjf> i logged out and went back to root, the PATH changed again.,
[02:37:37] <hollenjf> i need it changed PERMINAMNTLY
[02:37:46] <jmcp> if you want it changed paermanently, then change /etc/profile
[02:37:47] <flyingparchment> hollenjf: set it in /.profile
[02:37:54] <wesolows> never change /etc/profile
[02:37:57] <wesolows> pleeeeeeeease
[02:38:00] <jmcp> oh, ok
[02:38:01] <wesolows> use .profile
[02:38:02] <jmcp> if you insist
[02:38:13] <flyingparchment> wesolows: is that because it makes upgrades a pain?
[02:38:21] <wesolows> it also affects every user
[02:39:29] <wesolows> you can do that, but it needs to be considered very carefully.  It's definitely not the solution to "I want root to have this PATH all the time"
[02:39:59] * jmcp trolls
[02:40:18] <jmcp> wesolows: but we only ever have one user per system, so none of that matters
[02:40:23] <jmcp> we're all root :-P
[02:40:28] * jmcp hides under his big rock
[02:40:40] * wesolows uses a bunker-buster :-)
[02:41:03] <hollenjf> does not work
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[02:41:09] <hollenjf> i  added path to /.profile
[02:41:12] <hollenjf> still not working
[02:41:24] <hollenjf> when I su, and echo $PATH, its still the old path
[02:41:27] <wesolows> did you log out and back in?  what exactly are the contents of that file?
[02:41:28] <hollenjf> how come?
[02:41:42] <hollenjf> PATH=mypath
[02:41:43] <jmcp> hollenjf: you need "su -" to force sourcing of /.profile
[02:41:46] <hollenjf> that is the contents
[02:42:08] <wesolows> PATH=foo
[02:42:11] <wesolows> export PATH
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[02:42:41] <wesolows> uhhhh
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[02:47:47] <flyingparchment> where is the "fixed" X font on S10?
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[02:50:45] <alanc> flyingparchment: /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
[02:51:07] <flyingparchment> i don't have fixed.pcf, does it have another filename?
[02:51:24] <alanc> it should be an alias in fonts.alias there
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[02:51:44] <flyingparchment> ah, i see
[02:52:19] <alanc> looks like it should resolve to 6x13.pcf
[02:53:42] <flyingparchment> hm, xvnc must be doing something else wrong then: could not open default font 'fixed'
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[03:02:03] <hollenjf> what do I do if I cant find libintl.so.3
[03:02:35] <wesolows> call out the super-sleuths!
[03:02:48] <wesolows> get Nancy Drew on the case
[03:03:07] <alanc> figure out how you got software that uses GNU libintl without including a copy of libintl
[03:03:11] <Triskelios> hollenjf: lemme guess, blastwave package?
[03:03:13] <wesolows> That too.
[03:03:19] <hollenjf> yes
[03:03:20] <wesolows> Since we deliver libintl.so.1
[03:04:05] <alanc> blastwave seems to have libintl.so.3 in CSWggettext, but they're usually good (too good) about declaring dependencies so you get everything you need (and then some)
[03:04:54] <hollenjf> so how do I get libintl.so.3?
[03:05:11] <Triskelios> hollenjf: you should get it if you installed the package the normal way
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[03:05:37] <hollenjf> i deleted the file.. i need it new
[03:05:40] <hollenjf> where can I get it
[03:05:40] <Triskelios> since blastwave normally pulls in half the universe as a dependency
[03:05:48] <Triskelios> hollenjf: reinstall CSWggettext
[03:06:23] <hollenjf> package unreconized
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[03:07:14] <Triskelios> hollenjf: without the CSW part, duh
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[03:07:39] <hollenjf> sorry its late.. i'm dumb
[03:12:13] <elektronkind> libintl, like libiberty, is the crotch-spawn of several GNU projects. There are several which install/overwrite with their own copy.
[03:12:32] <flyingparchment> everyone likes to bundle libintl with their software for some reason
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[03:22:43] <ipfw> hey, where is a good place to live ?
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[03:23:17] <networkdump> in your home I assume?
[03:23:32] <ipfw> no, if you went to move somewhere, where would it be ?
[03:23:56] <networkdump> hum, tadjikistan
[03:23:58] <elektronkind> vancouver.bc.ca, .is
[03:24:30] <ipfw> vancouver, that Canada ?
[03:24:41] <elektronkind> no the other Canada
[03:25:02] <networkdump> if you like rainy day, it's a nice place yeah
[03:25:17] <Triskelios> .nz
[03:25:40] <Triskelios> or maybe .se
[03:25:49] <ipfw> New Zealand ?
[03:25:56] <ipfw> whats .se ?
[03:26:13] <Stric> Sweden
[03:26:25] * Stric is there right now
[03:26:28] <elektronkind> senegal. you definitely want senegal
[03:26:39] <ipfw> Sweden does sound nice
[03:26:46] <Gman> nz is awesome
[03:26:48] <elektronkind> so does Finland
[03:27:01] * elektronkind breaks into the monty python song about Finland
[03:27:03] <Gman> and isn't populated by swedes :)
[03:27:14] <Triskelios> Gman has a point...
[03:27:23] <elektronkind> instead of swedes .nz has sheep
[03:27:29] <Gman> win win!
[03:27:34] <richlowe> hah
[03:27:43] <elektronkind> yeah, it sure is a win you sickos ;)
[03:28:23] <Stric> Gman: adultsheepfinder.com
[03:28:49] <Stric> New Zealand's #1 Internet Dating Site
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[03:29:13] <Gman> Stric, hahah, awesome!
[03:29:18] <Gman> very sick, but awesome
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[03:39:56] <jbk> evening
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[03:41:17] <the-decider> who said somethin' bout sheep?
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[04:16:26] <nrubsig> Are there any known problems with mounting NFS filesystems like /var/mail in B72 ?
[04:17:14] <Triskelios> I had no problems with autofs-mounted NFS filesystems
[04:18:23] <nrubsig> Triskelios: /var/mail is mounted via /etc/vfstab in this case...
[04:19:18] <nrubsig> sounds like the nfs/client log contains a "nfs mount: mount: /var/mail; Device busy"
[04:19:34] <nrubsig> groan
[04:20:50] <delewis> make sure NFSMAPID_DOMAIN in /etc/default/nfs is consistent across the server and clients.
[04:21:15] <delewis> I've been bitten by that one more than once as Jumpstarting, install a zone, and doing an interactive install tend to set it to different values.
[04:21:28] <wesolows> that should just cause bad uid/gid though
[04:21:30] <wesolows> not EBUSY
[04:21:34] <delewis> true.
[04:21:35] <wesolows> right?
[04:21:40] <delewis> yeah, you're right. my bad.
[04:23:00] <jbk> sounds like something's sitting in /var/mail, preventing it from being mounted
[04:23:02] <Gman> alanc, awesome mail, thanks!
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[04:23:45] <jbk> heh.. referring to osol-summit list?
[04:24:05] <alanc> Gman: saves me having to answer more people, and helps re-inforce the message to Martin that we actually want his bits, since that's the only SPARC graphics we're gonna get by March
[04:24:08] <nrubsig> jbk: but I can mount it manually and I can do it via $ mountall # , too ...
[04:24:30] <Gman> alanc, heh, yeah - added it to the status page too
[04:24:42] <nrubsig> delewis: /etc/default/nfs has the same MD5 number on both client and server
[04:25:08] <jbk> hmm.. that is strange.. perhaps a transitory service?
[04:25:24] <nrubsig> trans... what ?
[04:25:39] <alanc> bah, 74 isn't on my netinstall server yet - guess I won't leave an luupgrade running overnight
[04:25:52] <jbk> umm.. only runs briefly during startup
[04:26:25] <jbk> voruebergehend??
[04:26:26] <masta> did 74 come out over the weekend?
[04:27:04] <Triskelios> masta: it came out today, internally
[04:27:11] <masta> bah...
[04:27:18] <masta> each week... downloading isos
[04:27:19] <alanc> SXCE 73 came out externally today, 74 internally
[04:27:23] * masta bangs his head
[04:27:44] <masta> ty guys
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[04:28:52] <alanc> ah, found it on another server...
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[04:37:18] <Shiv__> All: The "Call for Participation" for foss.in/2007 is now out. I would like to request the community to respond by submitting talk proposals
[04:37:39] <Shiv__> community -> community members
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[04:41:04] <Shiv__> I had submitted a OpenSolaris project day proposal for the conf and am co-ordinating the same.
[04:42:43] <Shiv__> The conf is well represented by a variety of open source communities and is an a *fantastic* event.
[04:44:01] * nrubsig hates the xxx@@@!!!-sh*t his system is doing right now.
[04:44:07] * nrubsig makes coffee
[04:44:13] <nrubsig> long night ahead
[04:44:22] <Shiv__> One may submit their talks towards one of the project days or the conference days.
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[04:45:27] <Shiv__> The project days revolving around a particular project and have pre-determined talk session titles.
[04:45:46] <Shiv__> While the conference days (3 days) are open ended.
[04:46:07] <Shiv__> For those interested, 8-Oct is the deadline.
[04:46:24] <Shiv__> For further details see:
[04:46:26] <Shiv__>       http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=40486&tstart=0
[04:46:34] <Shiv__>        http://foss.in
[04:47:16] <Shiv__> Incase any of you are submitting a talk to the OpenSolaris project day, it would to co-ordinate if you can let me know...
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[04:53:11] <Shiv__> For those who need funding support, the details are available in the CfP (http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation#Travel_Support_for_Speakers)
[04:55:23] <nrubsig> Is Jesse Silver here ?
[04:56:34] <Gman> nrubsig, nope
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[05:00:26] <CIA-26> ss150715: PSARC/2007/514 DLPI Notification API, 6598880 dlpi_strerror() maps DLPI_SUCCESS incorrectly, 6601120 add DLPI notification support in libdlpi
[05:01:48] <nrubsig> Gman: is he around somewhere in the internet sun network ?
[05:02:07] <Gman> just pinging him on IM
[05:03:07] <nrubsig> erm
[05:03:17] <Gman> nrubsig, ok, he's around - seeing if he does irc ;)
[05:03:22] <nrubsig> !im jesse.silver!sun!com
[05:03:41] <elektronkind> you trying to send him a message via uucp?
[05:03:43] <Gman> doesn't do irc :)
[05:03:52] <Gman> nrubsig, /query me the query
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[05:22:45] <elektronkind> argh. every time I let my attention wonder while rebooting a box and missing the GRUB screen where I wanted to go into failsafe mode, I keep instinctively looking for a "STOP" button to click at the top of my terminal window
[05:23:08] * elektronkind sighs, lets the inevitable panic happen.
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[05:25:48] <elektronkind> Loading smf(5) service descriptions:  70/149
[05:25:51] * elektronkind zzzzzzzz
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[05:35:14] <jbk> evening dclarke
[05:35:37] <dclarke> hello jason
[05:35:40] <dclarke> how goes ?
[05:35:45] <jbk> good
[05:35:54] <dclarke> ld: fatal: library -lc: not found
[05:36:01] <dclarke> I'm trying to link statically
[05:36:09] <jbk> on s10?
[05:36:14] <dclarke> yeah
[05:36:18] <dclarke> its not done .. I hear
[05:36:19] <jbk> yeah, won't work
[05:36:29] <dclarke> yep .. I just ran into that .. smack dab
[05:36:31] <elektronkind> there are no more static libs shipped with ON
[05:36:37] <elektronkind> as of s10 FCS
[05:36:47] <flyingparchment> really?  i thought only the static libc was removed
[05:36:49] <dclarke> I should know that .. and I knew it .. but then
[05:37:04] <dclarke> ran into it again tonight and thought "oops .. yes .. now I seem to recall"
[05:37:17] <dclarke> so .. I'm back to good ol' Solaris 8
[05:37:27] <jbk> why do you need to link statically?
[05:37:36] <dclarke> its a looong story
[05:37:55] <dclarke> I'm writing a bit of code that fetchs the mirror list from Blastwave
[05:38:04] <dclarke> it then probes for best response time
[05:38:11] <flyingparchment> static linking is a good way to make a binary that won't work on any other system
[05:38:14] <dclarke> and then selects the top three mirrors
[05:38:46] <dclarke> after that .. it drags down the catalog and descriptions and then allows the user to install a pkg
[05:39:05] <dclarke> the idea here is to do the install .. potentilly from multipel mirrors at the same time
[05:39:09] <dclarke> among other things
[05:39:13] <flyingparchment> if you're writing something to distribute to a user, you definitely shouldn't link libc statically
[05:39:14] <dclarke> anyways
[05:39:25] <dclarke> and what if the user does not have curl ?
[05:39:34] <dclarke> or libiconv
[05:39:51] <elektronkind> perl isn't an option for this?
[05:40:02] <dclarke> perl is .. if it is installed
[05:40:07] <dclarke> I'm assuming it won't be
[05:40:18] <dclarke> think of an installer here
[05:40:25] <dclarke> that can install SVR4 packages
[05:40:25] <elektronkind> just like static libs ;)
[05:40:33] <Doc> what dates is CEC on?
[05:40:40] <jbk> you could statically link the non-libc stuff
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[05:40:45] <dclarke> yeah well .. one sec while I build this on S8
[05:40:46] <jbk> it's not like libc's api should be changing drastically
[05:40:54] <flyingparchment> delewis: curl is not in libc, so you can link that statically
[05:40:57] <flyingparchment> er
[05:41:01] <flyingparchment> s/delewis/dclarke/
[05:41:10] <dclarke> I get that all the time
[05:41:11] <jbk> the problem is the libc<->kernel interface is not stable and likely to change
[05:41:14] <flyingparchment> dclarke: the thing is, the solaris abi guarantee is between the application and libc, not libc and the kernel
[05:41:14] <dclarke> ha !
[05:41:28] <dclarke> right .. I know these things
[05:41:29] <flyingparchment> dclarke: when you embed libc in the binary, you have no guarantee it'll work on another solaris kernel
[05:41:37] <dclarke> right .. I know these things
[05:41:42] <dclarke> very very very well
[05:41:45] <dclarke> been there
[05:41:47] <dclarke> done that
[05:42:00] <dclarke> but hit the ol' no more static libs in S10 wall this evening
[05:42:03] <dclarke> oops
[05:42:13] <nrubsig> dclarke: done that but archived nothing!
[05:42:17] * nrubsig hides
[05:42:29] * dclarke reaches out .. too late .. misses him
[05:42:54] * dclarke switches to Solaris 8 x86
[05:42:57] <nrubsig> *squeaaaaaak*
[05:43:04] <dclarke> scary .. but I actually have S8 on x86
[05:43:47] <flyingparchment> dclarke: if you know that, then why do you still try to link libc statically?
[05:43:54] <flyingparchment> isn't it obvious it's a bad idea?
[05:44:11] <dclarke> ummm .. I'm not telling you the whole story .. yet
[05:44:23] <elektronkind> just say "You must have perl. otherwise, you lose. good day sir"
[05:44:27] <dclarke> just let me flail here for a few minutes
[05:44:41] <dclarke> core installs may not have Perl
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[05:45:07] <dclarke> pkginfo | wc -l ==> 38
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[05:45:22] <elektronkind> they do. many ON utils rely on /usr/perl5
[05:45:35] <dclarke> sorry .. but no Perl
[05:45:57] <elektronkind> seems like a silly requirement to flail yourself over
[05:46:08] <dclarke> yep .. welcome to my life
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[06:01:04] <dclarke> hell
[06:01:13] <dclarke> State: Needs maintenance
[06:01:14] <dclarke>     Invoke: metareplace d8 c2t3d0s5 <new device>
[06:01:22] <dclarke> just what I wanted tonight
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[06:21:43] <flyingparchment> how does format's 'test' (pattern testing) analysis work without harming data?
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[06:31:40] <dclarke> easy
[06:32:06] <dclarke> for any given disk it walks the blocks of the disk and reads your data into a buffer
[06:32:21] <dclarke> it then runs a binary 101010101 write
[06:32:24] <dclarke> and a read
[06:32:31] <dclarke> and then write 010101010
[06:32:32] <dclarke> and the nread
[06:32:42] <dclarke> then if all is well write your data block back
[06:32:51] <dclarke> move to next block
[06:32:54] <dclarke> easy
[06:32:59] * dclarke wanders away
[06:33:41] <nrubsig> erm
[06:33:52] <nrubsig> dclarke: technically it's a bit easier today
[06:34:44] <nrubsig> dclarke: they read data, invert it+xor pattern, write back the inverted data, read them and invert them back+xor pattern and write them back
[06:35:15] <dclarke> ahh ... that too
[06:35:28] <dclarke> I guess I'm an old guy ..
[06:35:46] <dclarke> sorry .. I keep wandering by .. am busy working on a few things here
[06:35:48] <nrubsig> dclarke: the point is not to remeber all the whole 512bytes somewhere, instead they just mark the number of the block somewhere in a flash
[06:35:55] <dclarke> like getting my mirror back online
[06:36:02] <nrubsig> if the power goes away you know at least the number
[06:36:18] <nrubsig> (in theory, the idea is flawed through)
[06:36:33] <nrubsig> That's why I avoid segate... =:-)
[06:43:01] <quasi> morning
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[07:08:24] <lloy0076> Are Quad Core AMD Opterons actually available or is AMD's web-site talking marketing nonsense still?
[07:10:47] <jmcp> they're coming
[07:11:09] <lloy0076> jmcp: Yes, but so is Christmas.
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[07:11:34] <lloy0076> jmcp: I think I understood enough of a German magazine article to note that 'pre-release review ones' are real.
[07:12:39] <jmcp> according to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/26/sun_x86_play/:: "Sun expects to ship similar systems by the fourth quarter with AMD?s new Barcelona version of Opteron."
[07:13:31] <lloy0076> jmcp: If that's Sun's marketing arm, aren't they the ones who landed us with the JAVA Destkop (even though it's actually GNOME)?
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[07:14:49] <jmcp> lloy0076: eat your heart out with a simple search of sun.com:: http://onesearch.sun.com/search/onesearch/index.jsp?qt=amd+quad+core&x=0&y=0&charset=UTF-8&col=all-filtered&rt=true&cs=false
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[07:15:31] <jmcp> http://www.sun.com/x64/amd/design.jsp ->>> http://www.sun.com/servers/blades/x8400/
[07:17:25] <lloy0076> Knowing my luck they'll be prohibitevly expensive anyway :(
[07:18:06] <jmcp> I've got nfi how much they'll cost
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[07:21:37] <lloy0076> Heh, considering I can easily get by with a AMD 4600+ dual core machine, I really don't need a quad core one.
[07:21:44] <jmcp> of course you do
[07:21:50] <jmcp> *everybody* needs more cores
[07:22:47] * dlg cough
[07:22:58] <jmcp> dlg: you know it's true!
[07:23:24] <dlg> yeah
[07:23:37] <dlg> i just wish they were easier for me to use
[07:24:18] <jmcp> taskqs are your fiend
[07:25:22] <WickedWicky> jmcp: I really do a lot of work in open office writer, do you recommend me a quad core AMD or a new Niagara 2?
[07:25:40] * jmcp guffaws
[07:25:45] <jmcp> z80, kthxbai
[07:26:11] <WickedWicky> that's not really multi core now is it ;P
[07:26:18] <WickedWicky> HAHA, me checks wikipedia
[07:26:20] <WickedWicky> 8Mhz?
[07:26:22] <WickedWicky> that's cute
[07:26:55] <lloy0076> OpenOffice on an 8Mhz CPU.
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[07:27:00] * lloy0076 shudders
[07:28:16] <WickedWicky> ya, lol
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[07:34:22] <dlg> jmcp: i got told not to use taskqs
[07:34:34] <jmcp> oh?
[07:34:42] <dlg> adds latency...
[07:34:45] <jmcp> by whom?
[07:34:48] <dlg> paul
[07:34:55] <dlg> reithmuller
[07:34:58] <jmcp> ah
[07:35:00] <jmcp> ok
[07:35:11] <dlg> perhaps told is a strong word
[07:35:12] <jmcp> so ... in some circumstance it's ok, otherwise kthreads
[07:35:27] <dlg> theyre useful
[07:35:36] <dlg> but for completing ios i just do that directly from the intr handler
[07:35:47] <dlg> for completing aens or such, id use taskqs
[07:35:53] <hallu_> is there somekind of MAC and role based access controll in OpenSolaris?
[07:35:59] <jmcp> hallu_: yes
[07:36:05] <hallu_> in the stock install?
[07:36:14] <jmcp> yues
[07:36:15] <hallu_> or do I need to do something extra to get it?
[07:36:16] <jmcp> man rbac
[07:36:21] <hallu_> ok, thanks
[07:36:31] <jmcp> no, it's in by default
[07:36:43] <jmcp> you used to have to pay $bugnum for Trusted Solaris to get that sort of thing
[07:36:45] <jmcp> now you don't :-)
[07:37:12] <hallu_> yeah I was aware of Trusted Solaris, just wasn't sure if OpenSolaris provides it for free :)
[07:37:41] <lloy0076> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/9/index.xml
[07:37:58] <lloy0076> Underneath the text, "Download Solaris 10 now"
[07:38:27] <nrubsig> yippie!
[07:38:36] * nrubsig dances around... :-)
[07:39:38] * WickedWicky hands nrubsig a coffee
[07:40:10] <nrubsig> WickedWicky: thanks! :-)
[07:40:31] <sbahra> Ever since I could remember, I've been popping my collar.
[07:40:31] <nrubsig> Technically I'm happy that http://uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/opensolaris is working again...
[07:40:45] <nrubsig> .. until someone spams the bot to death again... ;-(
[07:40:56] <jmcp> !seen nrubsig
[07:40:58] <Drone> nrubsig is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 27 Sep 2007 05:40 GMT, saying '.. until someone spams the bot to death again... ;-('.
[07:40:59] <jmcp> !seen drone
[07:41:10] <jmcp> !seen richlowe
[07:41:25] <WickedWicky> you're wrecking it!
[07:41:32] <Drone> Drone is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 27 Sep 2007 05:40 GMT, saying 'nrubsig is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 27 Sep 2007 05:40 GMT, saying '.. until someone spams the bot to death again... ;-('.'.
[07:42:02] <jmcp> muahahahahaa
[07:42:03] <jmcp> ha
[07:42:04] <jmcp> ha
[07:42:09] <lloy0076> heh
[07:42:16] <lloy0076> I was teasing a megahal bot in a channel once.
[07:42:24] <lloy0076> And it's owner says to it, one day, "Hello".
[07:42:36] <Drone> richlowe is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 25 Sep 2007 14:38 GMT, saying 'boyd: the CIA bot.'.
[07:42:41] <lloy0076> Well, it replied "The owner [who is a male] likes little boys."
[07:42:46] <lloy0076> I was like, oopsies
[07:43:02] <jmcp> ;-)
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[07:44:37] <nrubsig> groan
[07:44:38] <WickedWicky> so when is Halo 3 gonna be ported to Opensolaris?
[07:44:39] * WickedWicky runs
[07:45:10] <nrubsig> WickedWicky: the day we get decent OpenGL drives on SPARC
[07:45:20] <sbahra> hahaha
[07:45:45] <nrubsig> Ok, some really freaking a**h0le is messing with drone again... ;-(
[07:45:48] <WickedWicky> I think the productivity of some coworkers would be down to 0 and the server load on some of our servers would increase
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[07:56:28] <quasi> hmm, why did this flar install leave me without devlinks
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[08:32:29] <brendang> jmcp: good work. I assume you'd vote for no drone too.
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[08:33:35] <jmcp> brendang: yeah
[08:34:07] * jmcp wants to change the topic to   "vote no, dammit! to drone"
[08:35:22] * jmcp sods off
[08:37:18] <WickedWicky> tchau
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[08:44:27] <nrubsig> brendang: I'm a bit stunned... at one side you want this channel as a public place for discussions but then you don't want that people can actively participate...
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[08:50:37] <nrubsig> Stupid question: There is a Darren Reed at Sun, right ?
[08:51:45] <dlg> i believe so
[08:51:52] <nrubsig> dlg: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/rfc1459.txt
[08:52:05] <nrubsig> dlg: is that the same Darren Reed who wrote that RFC ?
[08:52:37] <dlg> i dont know
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[08:56:36] <alanc> could be - the Darren Reed at Sun uses the irc nick "avalon", which is the same as the e-mail address of Darren Reed in that paper, and is a networking dude from Australia
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[08:56:56] <nrubsig> Mhhh.... I could dump the IRC client demo on darrenr then...
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[09:10:56] <jmcp> nrubsig: the answer to your question is yes
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[09:19:27] <brendang> nrubsig: You aren't participating, you are dictating. Several of the community have said that they are not comfortable with the drone logging this IRc channel. Why do you think it is acceptable to ignore them?
[09:20:46] <brendang> nrubsig: If you want to log this channel, then log it. Publishing all the content is a different matter.
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[09:36:04] <gdamore> uebayasi-san:  good to see you again.  (another NetBSD fugitive)
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[09:42:04] <gdamore> hey john.  hows it going figuring out the compile issues?
[09:45:16] <steleman> pangomm test: BOOST_CHECK( 2 == 3 );
[09:45:23] <steleman> i wonder if this would ever fail
[09:45:26] <jmcp> steleman: nah
[09:45:33] <jmcp> of course it's not going to fail
[09:45:40] <jmcp> tests should always pass
[09:45:42] <jmcp> :-P
[09:45:55] <steleman> jmcp: yes, you are correct, sir. :-)
[09:46:33] <asyd> \_o<
[09:46:34] * jmcp basks in the glory
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[09:51:22] <Vanuatoo> I looked at HCL and found out that Marvel NIC 88E8001 is reported to work but you have to download the driver from the website. Does anyone know if SXDE 9/07 has direct support of that driver so I don't have to download it?
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[09:53:01] <jmcp> I don't think it does
[09:56:05] <jmcp> you'll want to grab the "skge" driver from www.skd.de
[09:56:44] <jmcp> http://www.skd.de/e_en/products/adapters/pcie_server/sk-9exx/software/solaris/sparc64/driver/skgesolx_sparcv8.19.1.3.tar.Z
[09:56:47] <jmcp> for instance
[09:57:08] <Vanuatoo> jmcp, there is also some driver from marvel.com
[09:57:12] <jmcp> true
[09:57:19] <Vanuatoo> which one is correct?
[09:57:23] <jmcp> not sure
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[09:59:14] <jmcp> http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=180&pId=41 (x64) or http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=133&pId=22 (x86)
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[10:00:32] <sickness> Vezz: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30171/77/ <- sensational! in 2007 tom's hardware discovers rsync and ssh! ghgh :P
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[10:17:33] <e^ipi> gdamore: sorry 'bout the late reply
[10:17:52] <e^ipi> regardless, I got nightly attempting to build my code now, so that's a bonus
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[10:23:05] <e^ipi> I shoved an ON fork in the emancipation repo
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[10:24:02] <e^ipi> speaking of which, there's presumably a way to keep it synchronized with onnv-gate, isn't there?
[10:24:40] <e^ipi> the rest of it ( everything except usr/src/lib/libc/ ) ought to be entirely unaffected by my manglings
[10:27:03] <e^ipi> pulling in to my copy from onnv-gate and then pushing back up results in errors regarding creating remote branches
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[11:09:28] <timsf> hi all
[11:11:37] <Belgar> hi there
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[11:49:22] <WickedWicky> *sigh*
[11:49:26] <WickedWicky> my life sucks
[11:49:27] <WickedWicky> # ./scadm userpassword admin
[11:49:27] <WickedWicky> scadm: The SC hardware could not be initialized.
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[11:52:25] <PerterB> tried resetting it?
[11:53:15] <WickedWicky> the server you mean?
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[11:55:50] <PerterB> no, just the SC
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[11:56:19] <PerterB> I forget is ALOM can do that, but with RSC's, occaisonally they would freeze and you could reset them independantly of the OS
[11:56:22] <PerterB> *if
[11:56:24] <WickedWicky> the awesome thing is that nobody knows the current password of this freaking thing
[11:56:41] <PerterB> result
[11:57:24] <Belgar> what box is it? are you sure you aren't supposed to use rcsadm?
[11:57:58] <Belgar> there is a 'scadm resetrsc' but i doubt it would work in this case
[11:59:06] <PerterB> point
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[12:03:28] <WickedWicky> scadm is pretty useless when scadm gives you the message I pasted..
[12:04:30] <WickedWicky> oh cool
[12:04:53] <WickedWicky> found the probably prolly, someone played with the keyswitch
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[12:12:52] <Fish> hello
[12:14:46] <Belgar> j c
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[12:49:38] <madhatter> Hi. Can you give me a hint if there is another place for the XF86Conf in Solaris but /etc/X11 ?
[12:50:58] <trygvis> solaris doesn't use xfree86 by default
[12:51:18] <trygvis> it uses x.org which doesn't require a configuration file by default
[12:51:50] <madhatter> trygvis: I am looking for a way to tweak the colors above 8bit. Or look if they are only 8bit
[12:53:17] <madhatter> trygvis: I have an application crashing when exporting the Display to a Windows box.
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[12:55:32] <PerterB> uh, if the display is on a Windows box then no config file on the solaris box will affect it... use xdpyinfo to see what visuals are available
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[12:56:54] <madhatter> PerterB: I found a post telling that the local config affects how the windows are handled and only displayed on the host (Windows). The host would expect >8bit and that may cause the error...
[12:57:25] <madhatter> PerterB: Oh, and I don't have root access on that box (customer) :(
[12:58:00] <PerterB> no, the local config should only affect the X server running on the solaris box
[12:59:21] <madhatter> PerterB: Hm, that was my hope. The issue is: the windows get displayed, but when another ok-box should pop up the whole X-Win seems to crash
[12:59:59] <PerterB> which X server are you using on Windows, maybe it's buggy and something the clients are doing is crashing the whole server?
[13:00:52] <madhatter> PerterB: X-Win32 is that tool.
[13:00:55] <PerterB> also, a few X clients get upset if they're not running under a CDE-like window manager (raid manager is the only one I can think of offhand)
[13:01:06] * jmcp spits @ raidmanager
[13:01:17] <madhatter> PerterB: I was able to use xdpyinfo and it told me 'Depth: 8 planes'
[13:01:28] * PerterB is with jmcp on that one
[13:01:51] <madhatter> PerterB: That's like 8bit?
[13:02:26] <PerterB> yeah... is that the only available visual?
[13:02:36] <PerterB> (or the default)
[13:03:01] <madhatter> PerterB: That might be caused, because I am on that box via RemoteDesktop, and it's Win2k, so only 256 colors
[13:03:16] <PerterB> there ya go then
[13:03:26] <madhatter> PerterB: I probably should try to get a win2003 server as Display then
[13:03:32] <madhatter> PerterB: Thanks a lot
[13:03:38] <trygvis> you can set rdesktop to use any resolution
[13:03:44] * madhatter sets status to 'waiting on customer' ;)
[13:03:55] <PerterB> I don't know much about remote desktop, but I thought you could force 16 or 24 bit colour out of it?
[13:04:06] <madhatter> trygvis: yes, but it only works with Windos > 2000
[13:04:14] <PerterB> oh right
[13:04:29] <PerterB> actual 8 bit displays are a bit of a rarity these days
[13:04:45] <madhatter> trygvis: Or have you got it working on an old win2k box?
[13:05:11] <PerterB> (I have a trusty old cgsix at home, but it doesn't run C any more)
[13:05:16] <PerterB> uh, "run X"
[13:05:17] <madhatter> trygvis: The settings in my rdv tell me I am using millons of colors, but actually there are only 256
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[13:11:41] <madhatter> I'll try VNC instead, that hopefully has true colors
[13:14:32] <PerterB> it does
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[13:26:03] <kjetilho> hi, I'm just starting out with zones, and think I made a mistake when I specified /opt to be one of the inherit-pkg-dir
[13:26:25] <kjetilho> at least it seems like SunStudio 11 isn't too happy about being installed in the non-global zones with that setting.
[13:27:02] <kjetilho> is it possible to undo this without starting from scratch?  or can I otherwise convince Studio11?
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[13:31:47] <trygvis> I think you have to hack the zone descriptor file directly
[13:31:57] <trygvis> detach the zone, fix xml, attach again and boot
[13:32:20] <JWheeler> yeah, I don't think the front end like it's
[13:33:11] <JWheeler> lol, what was that
[13:33:28] <trygvis> o.O?
[13:33:31] <JWheeler> I don't think the front end tools let you change the zone configuration after it's been made
[13:33:51] <trygvis> it doesn't, which is why you have to detach it
[13:33:52] <JWheeler> I think I started typing, and then started reading around monitor, and it seems my sentence...trailed off
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[13:44:54] <kjetilho> trygvis: thanks, interesting.  but when I attach, it complains about a 372 packages missing in the zone and refuses to attach.
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[13:45:21] <kjetilho> the packages are not in the zone's pkg-db when /opt is inherited, either
[13:45:28] <kjetilho> but then it isn't complaining
[13:47:11] <trygvis> hm, dunno. haven't done it myself
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[14:32:07] <trygvis> hm, for some reason pkgadd claim that my package's path doesn't exit, but it is there and it was delivered by the package itself
[14:32:12] <trygvis> anyone know why?
[14:35:40] <Cyrille> its permissions/ownership have been changed maybe?
[14:36:06] <trygvis> nope, they are the same as the package expect
[14:36:47] <trygvis> and pkgchk list all the files/dirs as "partially installed" but everything is correct on the FS
[14:37:44] <Cyrille> doesn't sound good, last time I saw something "partially installed" my personal take from the real contents of the disk was that it was "not installed at all" ;-)
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[15:32:08] <jonkri> where would you recommend a c programmer interested in the opensolaris project to sign up? i would like to recieve bug reports and discussion around general solaris development. i've been looking at the community portal but i didn't find what i was looking for. thank you in advance
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[15:35:34] <tinman2k> what projects are you interested in?
[15:36:25] <ipfw> jonkri:  wrote any device drivers before ?
[15:37:37] <PerterB> http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/oss_bite_size/ might be a good place to start
[15:40:40] <jonkri> tinman2k, i don't know, i just wanted some general discussion to see what the options were
[15:40:58] <jonkri> ipfw, no, i'm not very experience, but i'm thinking that this may be a nice place to get better
[15:41:25] <jonkri> PerterB, that's perfect. thank you very much
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[15:43:21] <eboutilier> jonkri: Here's the best, IMO, starting page for people interested in coding/contributing:
[15:43:26] <eboutilier> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation/
[15:44:28] <jonkri> eboutilier, great. thank you :)
[15:44:38] <jonkri> eboutilier, how do you motivate that btw?
[15:44:39] <tinman2k> if you like the C programming look into DTrace
[15:44:57] <eboutilier> Any questions not answered there, I'd suggest catching up on the opensolaris-code mailing list, and then asking there.
[15:45:14] <eboutilier> jonkri: Not sure what you mean...
[15:46:41] <eboutilier> by "motivate that" ...
[15:46:52] <jonkri> eboutilier, i misunderstood you... i thought you meant that the opensolaris community was the best community join, you know... but perhaps you do think that? :P
[15:47:07] <jonkri> i don't know how i can read so badly sometimes
[15:47:13] <eboutilier> :-)
[15:47:34] <jonkri> :)
[15:47:45] <jonkri> tinman2k, yeah, dtrace is intersting
[15:47:57] <eboutilier> The thing about the opensolaris.org portal, is it's not really easy for people of varying interests to quickly find the best starting point (e.g. web page)
[15:48:33] <eboutilier> For you what you're interested in, I'd say it's the link I gave above, but unfortunately, that's no obvious enough from the top level of opensolaris.org.
[15:48:36] <tinman2k> I don't know C that well but I like Dtrace. I can understand it
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[15:49:37] <jonkri> eboutilier, i see. perhaps i can help the project by providing a better way to access that information
[15:49:53] <jonkri> i'm browsing through the sun course catalog now that i got access to... "Solaris O/S Developer" :)
[15:51:27] <eboutilier> Yes, that kind of help is very welcome too. The project pages for that would be website and docs
[15:51:30] <eboutilier> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/
[15:51:40] <eboutilier> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/website/
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[15:59:46] <Berny> is there a converter for a mysql-dump to proper sql?
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[16:26:30] <jonkri> hmm, i just realized that there isn't a swedish i18n mailing-list...
[16:27:55] <hali> noone in sweden want a swedish locale anyway
[16:28:31] <jonkri> hali, haha, really. ok then :)
[16:28:58] <hali> im swedish, most people run most software in english
[16:29:24] <jonkri> hali, yeah, i do too
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[16:33:19] <e^ipi> os.o is already in sweedish, see: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=bork&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopensolaris.org
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[16:35:46] <Fish> hello
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[16:37:28] <holcomb_> ignore doesn't really solve problems either, unfortunately
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[16:47:43] <jonkri> hmm, i can't join the code mailing-list... this is what i get: 550 5.1.1 <code-subscribe at opensolaris dot org>: Recipient address
[16:47:44] <jonkri>     rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO
[16:47:44] <jonkri>     command)
[16:47:49] <jonkri> whoops, sorry for line breaks
[16:48:04] <jonkri> i successfully joined the request-sponsor list
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[16:50:51] <PerterB> osol-code-subscribe not code-subscribe, surely
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[16:52:27] <ocallaghane> ping
[16:52:39] <tinman2k> pong
[16:52:57] <ocallaghane> Hey guys. Sorry I have not been around much :( hows things ?
[16:54:10] <kaiwai> could be worse
[16:54:26] <ocallaghane> hey man, how are you?
[16:55:04] <kaiwai> meh, not to bad; since the removal of the mobile ip thingy, my connection for some reason resolves host names alot faster, browsing is faster; very strange
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[16:55:48] <ocallaghane> hmm
[16:56:15] <ocallaghane> I still got problems with using usb pen drives and stuff with solaris
[16:56:20] <kaiwai> oh, and downloaded/compiled Lame 3.98 beta 5 - working really nicely
[16:56:30] <ocallaghane> I found out its the USB driver has some kind of bug
[16:56:33] <kaiwai> ocallaghane: in what way?
[16:56:34] <jonkri> PerterB, thanks
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[16:56:53] <holcomb> wtf metadb
[16:57:03] <jonkri> PerterB, that's far from obvious on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions/
[16:57:26] <ocallaghane> I put it down to 1.1 and it works but very slow. 2.0 makes a copy crash after ~50odd megs has been trasnfered
[16:57:47] <ocallaghane> Asus MB with nvid chipset
[16:58:02] <kaiwai> hmm, strange, I copied 100+ to my thumb drive without any issues
[16:58:12] <jonkri> oh, there's an subscribe link, i didn't see that... i just used the "listname dash subscribe at opensolaris dot org" instruction
[16:58:30] <ocallaghane> I know i know, its the USB driver for my nvid chipset
[16:58:43] <ocallaghane> I have no clue on what I can do to debug it ?
[16:58:58] <kaiwai> hmm, tried other thumb drives?
[16:59:41] <ocallaghane> yes, even other usb devices behave in stange ways apart from my usb KB and mouse, they are working fine ?
[17:00:44] <kaiwai> best to lodge a bug report then; or recompile the driver with debugging enable and attach the dump with the bug report
[17:01:19] <ocallaghane> bug report what though
[17:01:43] <ocallaghane> I did but I have nothing to give them apart from my MB name/type
[17:02:10] <ocallaghane> I can't/don't know how to get some kind of dump
[17:02:25] <ocallaghane> its a very stange behaver
[17:02:39] <kaiwai> best to get incontact with an engineer - some of them are very helpful in tracking down problems
[17:03:34] <PerterB> jonkri: it's a non-issue if you subscribe via the web interface ;)
[17:04:10] <ocallaghane> Well, I know how to solve most of these hardware type probes on the Linux kernel
[17:04:34] <ocallaghane> But I don't yet fully understand how on Solaris yet
[17:04:59] <jonkri> PerterB, yeah, i realized that as well... sorry for complaining without thinking ;)
[17:05:00] <kaiwai> well, you need to run the driver with debugging enabled - like I said, get incontact with a sun engineer - do you still have the bug report you previously lodged? it will have an engineers name attached to it
[17:06:07] <ocallaghane> yea but I don't pay money to Sun ?
[17:06:56] <kaiwai> no
[17:07:11] <kaiwai> you're a 'tester' for their future product, they want/need/demand/expect feedback
[17:07:36] <kaiwai> the more you help them solve the problem the better the product gets, they win, you win, we all win
[17:08:48] <bda> I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream.
[17:09:12] <kaiwai> I'd prefer a mellow puff
[17:09:51] <ocallaghane>  ok, I will get back to him as soon as I have more bandwidth
[17:10:17] <ocallaghane> :p stupid Australia DSL. I have feed up with this !
[17:10:40] <kaiwai> http://www.silverfernz.com/ProdImages/food/mallowpuffsp.jpg
[17:11:04] <Tempt> hey
[17:11:07] <kaiwai> ocallaghane: lol; I'm satisfied with my ADSL2+ connection :)
[17:11:10] <Tempt> Don't knock Australian DSL
[17:11:11] <kaiwai> yo
[17:11:18] <Tempt> I'm very happy with my Melbourne ADSL2+
[17:11:28] <kaiwai> well, we're all happy then :)
[17:11:55] <ocallaghane> :p
[17:12:10] <ocallaghane> Hey Tempt, how have you and boyd been ?
[17:12:31] <Tempt> not bad, not bad.
[17:12:34] <ocallaghane> down in the Melbourne massive
[17:12:36] <Tempt> Speaking for myself, anyway.
[17:12:56] <kaiwai> hmm, the way that was phrased, it was though tempt and boyd were partners
[17:12:59] <Tempt> Hey, are you still using that SSGD account?
[17:13:15] <Tempt> kaiwai: I think Boyd's wife might be somewhat upset about that.
[17:13:26] <ocallaghane> yes, I do. but my bandwidth is still very limited here !
[17:13:37] <kaiwai> Tempt: depends, kinky threesomes
[17:13:49] <kaiwai> ocallaghane: whats your download rates like?
[17:13:59] <Tempt> kaiwai: Not going to happen.
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[17:16:40] <ocallaghane> kaiwai:Strange one, you are
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[17:16:59] <kaiwai> ocallaghane: of course :)
[17:17:06] <ocallaghane> I have 10mb per day at 512kb
[17:17:07] <kaiwai> better than being mainstream *shudder*
[17:17:15] <kaiwai> ocallaghane: ewww
[17:17:29] <kaiwai> I've got a 20gig per month for $49.95
[17:17:45] <ocallaghane> wtf is 20gb these days ?
[17:17:51] <kaiwai> at maximum my line can provide - which is around 6mbps
[17:17:52] <ocallaghane> I don't yet this crap
[17:18:12] <ocallaghane> I did not have all this limit crap in the uk
[17:18:13] <Tempt> hmm, I'm glad I live in vision range of my exchange
[17:18:17] <Tempt> 24.5Mb
[17:18:38] <ocallaghane> yes thank you Tempt :p
[17:19:49] <ocallaghane> Sun have to post me my SXDE discs as I can't download s** :<
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[17:20:03] <kaiwai> why can't you download it?
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[17:20:41] <Tempt> he's on a 9600 bps connection.
[17:20:45] <kaiwai> lol
[17:20:48] <kaiwai> poor guy
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[17:23:22] <ocallaghane> i better jet
[17:23:30] <ocallaghane> send my regards Tempt
[17:23:38] <ocallaghane> have a good night all
[17:23:44] <kaiwai> same
[17:23:47] <kaiwai> well, not quite
[17:24:37] <Tempt> 10mb a day.
[17:24:47] <Tempt> I get more than 10mb a day in port scans and background noise
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[17:26:35] <elektronkind> 10 motherboards a day?
[17:26:49] <Tempt> [01:17] <ocallaghane> I have 10mb per day at 512kb
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[17:27:02] <elektronkind> 512 kick boxers?
[17:27:13] <elektronkind> you people make no sense
[17:27:23] * elektronkind goes back to playing with crayons
[17:28:07] <Tempt> mmm
[17:28:09] <Tempt> crayons
[17:28:15] <Tempt> I *am* a little hungry
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[17:30:30] <kaiwai> *gives Tempt a left over pizza*
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[17:31:50] <Tempt> nah, I want crayons. Waxy goodness
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[17:51:58] <Tempt> hmmm
[17:52:10] <Tempt> Is there a way of handing some zfs to a zone without rebooting it?
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[17:53:22] <tinman2k> Tempt. Not that I am aware of. You could use NFS if you just want to read/write to a zfs dataset
[17:54:19] <Tempt> nah, I'll just schedule a reboot for the zone.
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[17:54:40] <Tempt> I've found NFS from global to zones to be a little .. rattly.
[17:54:45] <Tempt> not quite so good.
[17:54:48] <Tempt> less than perfect.
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[17:55:08] <tinman2k> try doing it with Trusted Extensions. Took 2 days to get it working right
[17:55:51] <WickedWicky> ey all
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[17:56:15] <Tempt> Mmm, yes, well, when I'm working for some sort of high security organization I'm sure that'll be relevant.
[17:56:36] <WickedWicky> but at the moment, you work for noone! hah!
[17:56:47] <tinman2k> :)
[17:56:52] <kaiwai> hmm
[17:56:55] <kaiwai> spooky
[17:57:02] <WickedWicky> crookie!
[17:57:41] <Tempt> Yes!
[17:57:45] <Tempt> I am an unemployed bum.
[17:57:59] * kaiwai could put that to some good use
[17:58:14] <Tempt> s/bum/citizen/
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[18:00:04] <Tempt> I'm trying to decide what to do tomorrow
[18:00:09] <Tempt> I'm thinking some more mooching
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[18:00:34] <peemus> hello all
[18:00:37] <WickedWicky> friday moochday
[18:00:41] <Tempt> mmm
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[18:00:45] <Tempt> might find people with jobs
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[18:00:49] <Tempt> and drag them to the pub for lunch
[18:00:55] <Tempt> and infect them with moochosis
[18:00:56] <WickedWicky> corrupt them
[18:01:06] <peemus> i'm trying to play with zfs in a parallels install but it will only let me attach 3 "hard drives"
[18:01:15] <peemus> is there a way to create virtual disks in solaris?
[18:01:19] <peemus> using b72
[18:01:22] <asyd> mkfile
[18:01:27] <Tempt> lofi
[18:01:53] <peemus> k, so i know i can use mkfile but how do i mount it?
[18:01:58] <peemus> lofi?
[18:02:02] <Tempt> lofiadm
[18:02:05] <Tempt> check the manpage
[18:02:12] <peemus> k, thanks
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[18:02:19] <asyd> you don't need to mount it, just zpool create data /file1 /file2
[18:02:22] <tinman2k> does the system see it
[18:02:37] <peemus> ah, that's even better
[18:02:48] <Tempt> Hmm, never tried that.
[18:02:55] <Tempt> lofiadm is good to know for mounting isos etc anyway
[18:03:39] <peemus> yeah, i've used it for iso's just didn't know it could be used for mounting files as disks
[18:03:41] <tinman2k> if the zpool is already created I think you do a zpool attach
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[18:08:41] <kaiwai> Tempt: regarding lofi; is it possible to mount an SXCE dvd image, update a driver on the image, then use the modified image?
[18:08:55] <flyingparchment> no
[18:10:40] <WickedWicky> there are checksums/offsets mentioned in the manifest of the packagess that will detect you modified something, no?
[18:11:01] <kaiwai> oh buggerations
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[18:11:55] <JoergB> Moin
[18:12:02] <WickedWicky> Moin
[18:12:08] <kaiwai> 'allo
[18:12:17] <kaiwai> dumptee-doo
[18:15:26] <richlowe> jmcp: I've seen me, what do you want?
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[18:17:18] <kaiwai> I'd be shocked if you didn't see yourself
[18:19:44] <Tempt> when a monkey looks into a mirror, no apostle looks out.
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[18:22:36] <Tempt> Say
[18:22:43] <Tempt> Anyone in Melbourne want a Blade-100?
[18:25:11] <kaiwai> hmm, I'd love one, but then again, I'm in NZ :(
[18:26:09] <WickedWicky> offer to pay the shipment costs
[18:27:01] <kaiwai> na, got too many machines as it is
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[18:28:15] <kaiwai> I'd prefer a tadpole mind you
[18:28:33] <richlowe> glue a keyboard to the top, and tape an LCD to the back
[18:28:35] <richlowe> they'll weigh about the same.
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[18:28:52] <delewis> bullshit. :-)
[18:29:10] <richlowe> delewis: your tadpole's heavier? :)
[18:29:22] <delewis> 7lbs isn't *that* bad.
[18:29:56] <Tempt> ouch
[18:30:03] <Tempt> That's a desktop replacement, not a laptop.
[18:30:14] <Tempt> 1.2 kilos is the absolute limit IMHO
[18:30:39] <kaiwai> bah, give me a laptop thats built like a brick shit house
[18:30:45] <delewis> well, Tadpole did use the same chassis and design as the Dell Inspiron 5000, which was designated as a desktop replacement, so I suppose so.
[18:31:05] <delewis> then again, a laptop isn't going to come stock with 4GB of memory and 2 disks. :-)
[18:31:08] <Tempt> give me Fujitsu for laptops, they know how to make tough *AND* light.
[18:31:22] <WickedWicky> delewis: 2GB and 2x SATA here
[18:31:41] <delewis> WickedWicky: and this is from 2001.
[18:31:48] * LeftWing used to lug a ThinkPad 380ED around before he had money.
[18:31:52] <WickedWicky> delewis: ah okay
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[18:32:04] <Tempt> Still happy with the P1510
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[18:32:15] <Tempt> It's a pity the U1010 turned out crappy.
[18:32:22] <Tempt> otherwise I would have bought one
[18:34:26] <kaiwai> who made the u1010?
[18:34:45] <Tempt> fujitsu
[18:34:47] <LeftWing> It was one of Wilde's.
[18:35:10] <kaiwai> fujitsu, was tempted to get one but the selection in NZ is really crap
[18:37:21] <Tempt> Having owned the Fujitsu, I wouldn't go anywhere else now
[18:37:43] <kaiwai> I had a toshiba before this hp, talk about a laptop of pain, suffering and missery
[18:37:45] <Tempt> Think I might buy a new caffeine engine instead
[18:37:46] <Tempt> http://www.rancilio.it/rancilio/prod_version.jsp?id_language=2&id_version=26&id_model=20&id_category=2
[18:38:35] <delewis> it's a shame VMware Server doesn't have a Solaris port, yet.
[18:38:59] <delewis> I'm thinking about purchasing an x4150 or x4100 and I'd hate to use Linux as the base operating system to run VMware server.
[18:39:02] <kaiwai> true, then again, given xen has merged, hopefully it'll make VMWare surplus to requirements
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[18:39:24] <delewis> when is xVM scheduled to be integrated into Solaris 10?
[18:39:30] <delewis> Update 5?
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[18:39:41] <kaiwai> I think so, I think zfs boot is some time soon
[18:39:49] <kaiwai> well, zffs root create during install
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[18:49:42] <kaiwai> does Solaris 11 work on 200Mhz UltraSPARC cpus?
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[18:50:19] <libkeiser> i don't even think 10 worked on the 200's
[18:50:34] <kaiwai> hmm, ok
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[18:52:47] <Stric> correct
[18:52:53] <kaiwai> tadpole sparcbook 6500 for $799 looks reasonable
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[19:00:24] <CIA-26> zl149053: PSARC 2007/414 SCF changes for iSCSI Target, 6498817 the iSCSI target needs to use SMF rather than a conf file
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[19:03:09] <ipfw> aye, installing b70, and I gave it 279Gig, it told me I could only have 1 Solaris partition per disk, and didn't ask me to configure any slices. So, is it going to give me 2 slices around 20-40G automagically, so I can have a spare liveupgrade slice ?
[19:03:59] <peemus> are you using the developer edition installer?
[19:04:00] <ipfw> SXDE B70
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[19:04:09] <ipfw> whatever the default one is
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[19:05:13] <ipfw> I accepted _all_ defaults
[19:05:24] <peemus> someone correct me if i'm wrong - i believe it will automagically create the three default slices (/, swap, /export) and fills up the partition, so no it won't let you create a lu slice
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[19:05:53] <ipfw> I had better go attempt to check
[19:05:54] <peemus> if you want to manage slices you have to use the Solaris Express installer, instead of the Solaris Express Developer Edition
[19:06:05] <peemus> at the grub boot menu
[19:06:27] <ipfw> hmm, Solaris Express installer will still drop all the developer tools on through, riiight ?
[19:06:41] <ipfw> I'll go double check the partitions
[19:06:49] <peemus> no, i think you'll have to add those on later
[19:06:56] <ipfw> is there an easy fdisk command to just spit out the current setup ?
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[19:08:38] <peemus> you can use format from the command line, but i think the SXDE installer will overwrite whatever you have on your solaris partition
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[19:09:52] <ipfw> true, just want to see what it defaulted too
[19:10:04] <ipfw> bbiaf
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[19:12:29] <peemus> hmm, does anyone else know a way to create a slice for LU using the SXDE installer?
[19:13:12] <richlowe> I'm pretty sure you can't.
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[19:13:27] <peemus> ok
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[19:14:06] <ipfw> ok, this is the deal
[19:14:15] <ipfw> It made slices like this
[19:14:20] <peemus> are there plans to support filesystem manipulation in the SXDE installer?
[19:14:23] <ipfw> it did / 15.something Gig
[19:14:32] <ipfw> then it did 2G swap (I have 2G ram)
[19:14:41] <ipfw> then another 15G blank (for lu)
[19:14:47] <ipfw> then 247G for /home
[19:14:57] <ipfw> so it did leave me a lu slice !
[19:15:05] <ipfw> with the SXDE install
[19:15:10] <ipfw> here is the issue
[19:15:21] <peemus> awesome, maybe my drive wasn't big enough... haha
[19:15:28] <ipfw> it didn't let me have a console, or anything outside the installer, so I ctrl+alt+backspaced X
[19:15:54] <ipfw> _NOW_ how do I get back to see the graphic installer, it is still copying files
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[19:16:48] <ipfw> the DE installer not giving console option is gay btw
[19:17:01] <ipfw> know it is n00b geared, but give me a break
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[19:17:11] <peemus> yeah, i vaguely remember being able to use alt-tab for something
[19:17:16] <peemus> let me check
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[19:19:39] <ipfw> don't want to start the installer over, my wife is looking over my shoulder and will poke fun at me
[19:20:12] <peemus> yes, there is a terminal window that starts up minimized while the installer is going - so in the future you can just alt-tab to that
[19:20:13] <ipfw> I know, I shouldn't have nuked X out from under the installer
[19:20:26] <ipfw> peemus:  now you tell me :P
[19:21:02] <ipfw> minimized to _where_ I didn't see one, looked all over... didn't try that alt+tab though, and that's my bad
[19:21:19] <ipfw> what I woudn't give for a kvm switch
[19:21:27] <ipfw> tired of moving the monitor over to the other box
[19:21:32] <peemus> lol, sorry i always use the classic installer
[19:21:37] <peemus> yeah the dock must be hidden
[19:21:58] <ipfw> this is my first run on the new installer minus the hidden console, I liked it
[19:22:09] <ipfw> no console made me feel it was gutless :P
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[19:22:34] <ipfw> and lack of editing slices is fine to me honestly, if it gives sane defaults like that
[19:22:56] <peemus> hmm, i have no idea how to get X back up
[19:23:21] <ipfw> I didn't even try just running "gdm" again
[19:23:32] <ipfw> might bring it up, but doubt it will resume the session
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[19:23:48] <ipfw> X 0:0 might do something is your session named 0:0 ?
[19:23:49] <tomww> what if you clear maintenace state?
[19:24:06] <ipfw> tomww:  gdm/X is ran through smf ?
[19:24:15] <ipfw> guess that _might_ do something
[19:24:21] <tomww> try: svcs -xv
[19:24:47] <tomww> shoudl give your services in not-so-perfect shape
[19:24:47] <ipfw> I'll go see if its listed there
[19:24:50] <peemus> nothing
[19:24:59] <peemus> (i've simulated ipfw's situation)
[19:25:05] <ipfw> peemus:  you got a spare box you are playing with ?
[19:25:10] <peemus> yeah
[19:25:15] <tomww> if you try: svcs -av | grep gdm    there should be two of gdm-type.
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[19:25:45] <ipfw> peemus:  could you reboot the box, bring up the console, and tell me what the X session is named ... see if X 0:0 or something similar is running it, if so I might be able to respawn it by hand that way
[19:26:14] <peemus> tomww: no results
[19:26:27] <peemus> ipfw: i'll try that
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[19:27:26] <ipfw> yeah, if you can get a session id, try firing it back over with that, see if the apps/installer are still in the same spot etc
[19:27:42] <ipfw> works to resume vnc sessions && blah blah
[19:28:00] <ipfw> ya know, if some tard kills them (aka ipfw)
[19:28:05] <peemus> how do i start x on a specific session?
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[19:28:49] <ipfw> NAME
[19:28:49] <ipfw>        Xorg - X11R7 X server
[19:28:49] <ipfw> SYNOPSIS
[19:28:49] <ipfw>        Xorg [:display] [option ...]
[19:29:04] <ipfw> so Xorg :0 on a recent _Linux_ box
[19:29:27] <ipfw> Xorg X or Xfree86 something and either :0 or 0:0 or hosts:0
[19:29:33] <ipfw> sometimes hostname:0
[19:30:43] <ipfw> normally, on *cough* Linux when you do what I did it takes the apps with it as well, I was amazed to see the installer still copying from the DVD
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[19:32:00] <ipfw> peemus:  I'm going to play too... will be away from this monitor for a bit -- hooking it to the other box for playtime
[19:32:13] <peemus> ok, the X process running is: /usr/X11/bin/Xorg :0 -depth 24 -nolisten tcp :0
[19:32:22] <ipfw> if nothing, I'll just restart the box/installer
[19:32:27] <ipfw> I'll try to run that first
[19:33:35] <ipfw> thanks for the help, no matter what the outcome
[19:33:40] <ipfw> I'll try to report back through
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[19:33:55] <peemus> no prob, sorry i'm not exactly a pro
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[19:43:37] <peemus> ipfw: you can bring the installer back up with /sbin/insall-ui-start but it won't be where you left it - so I guess that doesn't really help you
[19:43:46] <peemus> your best bet may just be to restart the install
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[19:46:43] <ipfw> peemus:  that's what I'm coming too.. going to do that real fast while the wife is outside
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[19:51:24] <moazamraja> anyone here using Sun Update Connection?
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[19:52:12] <quasi> moazamraja: I know someone who does and is pretty happy with the sattelite version
[19:53:44] <moazamraja> I'm trying to figure out if I can update Sun Studio 10/11 compilers via Sun Update Connection
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[19:55:40] <quasi> ah, I don't think they have compilers anywhere
[19:55:58] <elektronkind> rtrt
[19:57:17] <ipfw> peemus:  I restarted it, thanks for attempting to help me recover though
[19:57:36] <quasi> moazamraja: http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5206761&tstart=15 seems to suggest that at least it supports studio 12, so I'd be surprised if it didn't do 11 as well
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[20:00:20] <CIA-26> td122701: 6592272 L2 cache ue error injections producing dau ereports / memory faults, 6595920 Only a single cpu is faulted with L2 cache correctable errors
[20:00:27] <moazamraja> thx
[20:03:38] <Triskelios> wait, stevel is going to be working for songbird?!
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[20:04:11] <Triskelios> wait, I wonder if that coincides with their SVN going down...
[20:04:12] <stevel> triskelios: yeah.
[20:04:17] * quasi turns the evil eye on $E6900s - behave or I'll bring a larger hammer next time
[20:04:23] <stevel> were you the one asking about the solaris port?
[20:04:39] <stevel> triskelios: haven't started there yet - so can't blame me for that one
[20:05:03] <Triskelios> stevel: heh, probably. I had most of the tree built at one point before they moved to their current repo
[20:05:23] <stevel> huh. i should sync up with you next week then. :)
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[20:05:41] <richlowe> stevel: Yes.
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[20:19:39] <Triskelios> stevel: I have to express my confusion at the move since you are a "real" kernel hacker, although I guess I've also dirtied my hands in both
[20:20:14] <richlowe> maybe it's all a ploy to get the hell away from us peons. :)
[20:23:34] <stevel> triskelios: something new and different to try mostly
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[21:37:29] <wili> is there a compiled list of release notes for nv releases somewhere?  or any other decent source for checking if something has happened for ich7 support (ahci driver) between nv70 - nv73?
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[21:40:30] <quasi> wili: yes there is
[21:40:38] <sickness> http://www.mirrors.wiretapped.net/security/vulnerability-assessment/aircrack/whax-aircrack-wpa/whax-aircrack-wpa.html <- I wonder when this will be doable under opensolaris =)
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[21:41:17] <quasi> wili: if you want exact changes, each release has a mile long changelog
[21:41:56] <wili> i bet, you think it will be too verbosive for searching for changes in a reasonable time? :-)
[21:42:04] <wili> or do i have an alternative?
[21:42:23] <quasi> wili: for an overview you should look at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/71-75/
[21:42:41] <wili> ah, that's brilliant
[21:42:44] <e^ipi> sickness: wouldn't solaris need to support WPA at all in the first place for the WPA crack to work?
[21:43:07] <wili> thank you.  maybe it's just me but i was unable to find that list even though i surfed through the site quite some time
[21:43:25] <e^ipi> you weren't looking for flag days
[21:43:42] <e^ipi> flag days aren't a changelog, they're subject to change if something slips
[21:44:06] <richlowe> those mails are normally sent after (or very soon before) something has integrated.
[21:44:14] <richlowe> after in the case of the project notification.
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[21:45:25] <quasi> wili: part of it is in knowing that the on community is where the core source lives
[21:45:28] <e^ipi> richlowe: you might know
[21:45:39] <sparcdr> you know... sparcdr is here!
[21:45:49] <richlowe> e^ipi: hm?
[21:45:54] <e^ipi> is there a way to coax hg in to keeping the emancipation gate synchronized with onnv-gate?
[21:45:57] * sparcdr greets e^ipi and alanc
[21:46:07] <richlowe> e^ipi: pull onnv-gate into it, merge, push
[21:46:18] <richlowe> e^ipi: doing it as builds close is a fairly reasonable pattern.
[21:46:22] <richlowe> and not just because that's what I'm doing.
[21:46:26] <sparcdr> got my ultra-20 :D
[21:46:29] <e^ipi> hg update messes this up, evidently
[21:46:31] <sparcdr> sexy beast
[21:46:33] <wili> quasi: k
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[21:46:50] <richlowe> e^ipi: well, hg update will update you to the tip of the gate, in that case.
[21:46:53] <sparcdr> aha!
[21:46:58] <richlowe> e^ipi: that doesn't stop you merging or anything...
[21:47:01] <sparcdr> 75 it oot (jds)
[21:47:13] <richlowe> or alanc's crazy.
[21:47:14] <richlowe> or both.
[21:47:31] <sparcdr> nah he's nuts, that's true, but he was telling me that it'd happen very soon
[21:47:42] <e^ipi> what I tried was pull <emancipation-gate>; update;  pull <onnv-gate>; update; push <emancipation-gate> and it spat up some warnings about creating remote branches
[21:47:45] <sparcdr> might just be internal
[21:47:58] <sparcdr> anyways, got more stuff to setup on here
[21:48:01] <delewis> hmm, anyone know why Sun is still selling the v40z?
[21:48:06] <sparcdr> just getting on to see how everyone was
[21:48:09] <sparcdr> no
[21:48:22] <sparcdr> happy so far with my ultra-20
[21:48:25] <libkeiser> delewis: i was wondering that myself the other day
[21:48:29] <sparcdr> performance kicks ass
[21:48:32] <sparcdr> and quiet
[21:48:33] <e^ipi> delewis: because they have some? and people will buy them?
[21:48:44] <sparcdr> o.o
[21:48:56] <sparcdr> blah
[21:49:02] <delewis> e^ipi: there's no reason to buy it over the newer systems, though.
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[21:49:15] <Triskelios> e^ipi: did you merge after pulling?
[21:49:16] <sparcdr> unless it's at a marginal markdown :)
[21:49:26] <peemus> sparcdr: what do you plan to use it for?
[21:49:32] <sparcdr> my ultra-20?
[21:49:35] <peemus> yeah
[21:49:45] <peemus> just curious
[21:49:47] <sparcdr> I've already said, day before yesterday
[21:49:57] <sparcdr> J2EE development and C/++
[21:49:57] <Triskelios> e^ipi: sounds like you have commits to a revision earlier than the tip
[21:50:35] <sparcdr> specifically for my project, radium.  a server/client project management system written with native front-ends
[21:50:52] <sparcdr> amongst other things, it replaced my IBM Thinkcentre A30
[21:50:58] <e^ipi> Triskelios: i have commits to onnv-gate from a week or so ago, yeah
[21:51:14] <peemus> sparcdr: nice
[21:51:15] <sparcdr> Opteron 1218 beats my Core 2 T7700 in my notebook by quite a bit
[21:51:31] <Triskelios> e^ipi: so you have to merge your local branch with the tip
[21:51:32] <sparcdr> ironically both systems have "Santa Rosa"
[21:51:33] <sparcdr> :)
[21:52:07] <sparcdr> neways gotta setup the box
[21:52:10] <delewis> looks like the v40z is in the middle of the x4200 and x4600.
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[21:52:21] <delewis> x4200 supports 2 procs, the v40z supports 4, and the x4600 supports 8.
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[21:52:33] <delewis> still doesn't make sense why they wouldn't replace it with something Galaxy-based.
[21:52:44] <sparcdr> it's not setup yet, just did some testing with bundled stuff... but I'll have it replaced with SDXE soon
[21:52:53] <sparcdr> delewis, they still have ultra-2 based systems
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[21:53:13] <delewis> sparcdr: what?
[21:53:33] <sparcdr> believe the netra or sunray or something still uses either ultra-2 or ultra-3 (SPARC)
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[21:54:04] <delewis> you're confusing machine models with processor models.
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[21:54:15] <sparcdr> sorry UltraSPARC-II/III
[21:54:18] <richlowe> the new sunrays are no longer sparc based, the old ones were sun4m
[21:54:19] <delewis> there's the UltraSPARC-II and UltraSPARC-III and machines like the Ultra 2, which used the UltraSPARC-II.
[21:54:26] <sparcdr> yeah
[21:54:38] <delewis> in any case, that has little relevance on the v40z.
[21:54:45] <sparcdr> the Ultra-3 (Mobile) used an older sparc
[21:54:57] <sparcdr> but again, I agree to ask why one would buy a v40z
[21:55:10] <delewis> the Ultra 3 used an UltraSPARC-IIe or UltraSPARC-IIIi depending on the model of Ultra 3 you purchased.
[21:55:12] <sparcdr> aside from price discount and there being stocks of them
[21:55:23] <delewis> the Naturetech used the UltraSPARC-IIIi and the Tadpole used the UltraSPARC-IIe.
[21:55:28] <sparcdr> although atm they don't sell them, they didn't say discontinued either
[21:55:49] <sparcdr> tadpole is what the ultra-3 is, was redundant
[21:55:57] <delewis> no, it's not.
[21:56:05] <delewis> the low-end Ultra 3 was a Tadpole SPARCLE.
[21:56:06] <e^ipi> yeah, bingo... i should be using merge instead of update
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[21:56:13] <sparcdr> tell me the differences, I don't see any major differences
[21:56:14] <delewis> the high-end Ultra 3 was a Naturetech Meso 999.
[21:56:19] <sparcdr> ah
[21:56:20] <delewis> You're talking to someone that actually owns a Tadpole.
[21:56:21] <sparcdr> that explains it
[21:56:31] <sparcdr> don't they cost 3k minimal?
[21:56:39] <delewis> the SPARCLEs are $3,000 base.
[21:56:43] <sparcdr> yeah
[21:56:49] <delewis> the Meso 999s are around $5-6k base.
[21:56:54] <sparcdr> yikes
[21:56:56] <sparcdr> that's a ripoff
[21:57:17] <sparcdr> unless you need it specifically that is
[21:57:22] <delewis> it's not if you need to run a SPARC application on a portable platform.
[21:57:31] <sparcdr> gotcha
[21:57:35] <sparcdr> how well does it work?
[21:58:10] <delewis> and at the time when the Meso 999 and SPARCLEs were new systems, you could purchase configurations from 256MB of memory to 8GB of memory. There weren't too many x86 laptops in 2001 or 2002 that offered a 64-bit processor and support for a large amount of physical memory.
[21:58:10] <hali> tadpole used to have something like 85% of their business with the US government, the navy bought shitloads of machines
[21:58:31] <sparcdr> awesome
[21:58:41] <sparcdr> yeah I noticed dual socket laptop with 16gb ram
[21:58:56] <delewis> my SPARCbook 6500, for example, makes for a decent database testing/development environment. I've got individual zones for Oracle, DB2, and PostgreSQL on it.
[21:59:07] <delewis> 4GB of memory. :-P
[21:59:12] <sparcdr> of course
[21:59:21] <sparcdr> sounds like fun
[21:59:25] <delewis> and it's going on 6 years old.
[21:59:32] <e^ipi> oh... "awesome"... now i'm going to get emails for every commit
[21:59:36] <sparcdr> bult well it seems
[21:59:42] <sparcdr> *built
[21:59:43] <sparcdr> im gonna go have fun with my box
[21:59:45] <sparcdr> bye
[22:00:03] <wesolows> e^ipi: I certainly do - what's wrong with that?  file them in a separate mailbox and look at them when you want to
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[22:00:24] <hollenjf> my disk maxed out, and it wouldnt let me boot, so I had to mount single safe and delete files so I can boot my system.. I deleted /opt.. so everythiign I had installed from blastwave is gone.. so now I'm reinstalling. it still thuinbgs everytihg is still there  but when I try to execute some binaries, they are looking for libs. can I just do a total reinstall of all previously installed blastwave bin's?
[22:01:14] <e^ipi> wesolows: 90% of them I won't care about
[22:01:21] <wesolows> that's typical
[22:01:32] <e^ipi> ( though it will be nice to filter it to see if anyone's messed with libc while I wasn't paying attention )
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[22:09:25] <richlowe> e^ipi: the notify stuff won't do that when you merge, it'll send one conglomerate email.
[22:09:35] <richlowe> (if you merge > 10 changes, which you will)
[22:09:42] <richlowe> as *you* commit, yes, if you subscribe to onnv-notify, yes.
[22:10:08] <e^ipi> oh, okie
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[22:11:59] <newpers> we have a clustered (Linux) web app that uses a Linux file server via NFS.  We are looking to replace the file server with a Solaris + ZFS solution.  Would you all recommend NFSv4?
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[22:12:41] <e^ipi> can linux even use v4 sanely?
[22:13:02] <libkeiser> test the hell out of v4 before going into production. the linux client isn't fully featured
[22:13:19] <sommerfeld> i can say that solaris v4 to solaris v4 is very solid.
[22:13:43] <hali> we rolled back all linux nfs4 clients to v3 ... wasn't usable
[22:13:45] <newpers> well that answers my question
[22:13:55] <newpers> thanks, guys
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[22:23:41] <ipfw> just booted SXDE, so if I don't set a proper hostname, and leave the default one, the system hangs for how many hours trying to use sendmail ?
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[22:26:43] <hile_> it doesn't hang
[22:26:45] <hile_> sendmail just bitches
[22:27:01] <richlowe> as hile_ said, it doesn't hang, it just whines like a baby
[22:27:22] <hile_> the fix is to add my.fqdn to the appropriate line in /etc/hosts
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[22:47:52] <SYS64738> what's the right way to make mysqld listen to remote clients ?
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[22:48:36] <hile_> use a real database instead?
[22:49:07] <SYS64738> I am enough noob to make start mysqld
[22:49:41] <SYS64738> I would like that my windows client connetcs to the mysqld
[22:49:56] <SYS64738> but it tell me 'not allowed'
[22:50:53] <SYS64738> should the my.cnf stay in mysql/data/ dir ?
[22:51:14] <flyingparchment> my.cnf goes in /etc (unless your mysql was configured oddly)
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[22:53:53] <SYS64738> I installed the coolstack one
[22:54:21] <elektronkind> the user's account has to be named a certain way to allow remote connections
[22:54:41] <elektronkind> 'use'@'localhost' is different from 'user' at 'host dot foo.com'
[22:54:54] <elektronkind> if you want user 'joe
[22:55:13] <elektronkind> if you want user 'joe' to be able to connect from anywhere, then the account would be 'joe'@'%'
[22:55:19] <flyingparchment> you can use `user`@`%`, but that's probably a bad idea
[22:55:31] <elektronkind> remember, % is SQL-speak for *
[22:55:50] <elektronkind> so 'joe' at '% dot foo.com' is also valid
[22:57:52] <elektronkind> mysql has stupid account naming stuff
[22:57:57] <elektronkind> no user quota
[22:58:19] <elektronkind> it's really silly
[22:58:42] <elektronkind> no real resource limits on users/dbs either
[22:58:57] <elektronkind> other than per-hour connect limits (woo wee... how useful)
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[23:38:35] <SplasPood> would someone running a more recent build get me a copy of /usr/lib/lu/lulib ?
[23:41:21] <coffman> SplasPood: how recent?
[23:41:50] <e^ipi> onnv-gate work for you?
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[23:42:33] <coffman> e^ipi: dont think so. thats closed stuff, even if it is a shell script
[23:43:01] <e^ipi> so it is
[23:43:14] <e^ipi> how can a shell script be "closed"?
[23:43:23] <coffman> Copyright 1992-95 AT&T Global Information Solutions
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[23:43:29] <g4lt-sb100> e^ipi, ask AT&T, RE /bin/true
[23:44:05] <e^ipi> can we reimpliment that, because i don't think it'd be to hard
[23:44:24] <flyingparchment> hm.. i thought lu came from NCR
[23:44:44] <g4lt-sb100> e^ipi, it's been reimplimented many times, it's just the original /bin/true was a shellscript that was 1.5 pages of copyright notice and one line
[23:45:47] <coffman> SplasPood: here you go http://rapidshare.com/files/58715874/lulib.html
[23:45:54] <coffman> SplasPood: its b72
[23:47:51] <coffman> and no, i dont care about the copyright of at&t they can come and try me
[23:48:22] <alanc> e^ipi: it's "closed" in the sense of not being under a license that allows others to modify and/or redistribute, not in the "source is secret" sense
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[23:49:39] <sommerfeld> g4lt-sb100: no, the original /bin/true was a zero-length shell script
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[23:49:55] <sommerfeld> and then bloat set in
[23:50:11] <g4lt-sb100> sommerfeld, when did the copyright notice get added, sys3 or so?
[23:50:20] <sommerfeld> not sure.  before my time.
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[23:51:07] <richlowe> flyingparchment: AT&T kinda bought NCR at some point in the past.
[23:51:11] <richlowe> then kinda spun them off, I think.
[23:51:14] <g4lt-sb100> I know on all SVR*, it's mostly copyright notice, until they made it a binary
[23:51:15] <richlowe> then, maybe, kinda unspun them off.
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[23:54:23] <SplasPood> coffman: thanks a lot
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[23:59:21] <delewis> it's interesting that hardware support on the x4150 is at least $100-$200 cheaper than the x4100.
[23:59:39] <delewis> software+hardawre support is also cheaper.
[23:59:44] <delewis> hardware, rather.





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