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[00:00:24] <CIA-25> carlsonj: 6607154 dhcp_ip_default() does not always enable IP_RECVIF and IP_RECVDSTADDR
[00:00:25] <CIA-25> prasad: 6603261 panic: mutex_enter: bad mutex, at pciehpc_attn_btn_handler()
[00:03:32] <sommerfeld> hyegeek: ah, dug a little deeper.  svc:/system/filesystem/local:default doesn't unmount filesystems on shutdown, leaving it to the kernel
[00:04:52] <sommerfeld> neither does  svc:/network/physical:default, but svc:/network/physical:nwam shuts down nwamd
[00:05:03] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: So that sounds like I need to add something to the system to unmount my iscsi before the network goes down. Does that mean I need to create a new whatever the SMF stuff is called?
[00:05:38] <sommerfeld> alternatively, you can not shut down the network on the way down
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[00:10:24] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: I see how to enable or disable the network, can't say I know how to bring it up on boot, but not shut it down.
[00:11:16] <sommerfeld> hyegeek: are you using nwam or not?  # svcs -a | grep network/physical   will tell you
[00:11:17] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:11:46] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: Looks like nwam is disabled.
[00:14:48] <sommerfeld> hmm.  ok, so much for that theory
[00:16:53] <boyd> Anyone else getting SXDE spam from Sun Marketing?
[00:17:05] <Pietro_S> what does mean TBD in Indiana Developer Summit wiki? (I guess something like not booked yet)
[00:17:06] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: I just switch to nwam and shutdown to see what that will do. Looks like I get the same thing. Once I get my system back up, I will put it back the way it was.
[00:17:45] <jbk> Pietro_S: to be determined -- so probably -- i'm guessing they hopefully just haven't updated it with the hotel info
[00:17:48] <wesolows> boyd: No, but I'm careful never to give Sun marketing my address. ;-)
[00:17:57] <boyd> wesolows: :) http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/709720
[00:18:02] <cmihai> Pietro_S, TBD - To Be Done
[00:18:30] <Pietro_S> jbk, cmihai: thanks, so I'm TBD too ;-)
[00:18:33] <boyd> wesolows: Funny thing is that my blog doesn't contain my email address AFAIK
[00:18:47] <wesolows> boyd: Do you think it was bulk posted or did you have an entry that specifically referenced SXDE recently?
[00:19:03] <wesolows> If it was bulk posted, well, you have a name, so let loose with all 200 barrels please.
[00:19:40] <wesolows> Was it sent from a legit address, or some spambot?
[00:19:47] <boyd> I'm not sure... I don't have a particular SXDE entry, but I do have postings that kinda assume it as a background
[00:20:00] <boyd> wesolows: legit address
[00:20:03] <wesolows> If it's a spambot, it might be a reputation attack against Sun.  Not that I really think that...
[00:20:06] <wesolows> ok
[00:20:11] <boyd> (well looks like one)
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[00:20:48] <wesolows> Well, she seems to exist.
[00:21:09] <wesolows> I'd give her a call. :-)
[00:21:14] <boyd> Yes, her name is on lots of press releases accoring to google
[00:21:19] <boyd> lol
[00:21:26] <wesolows> She gave you her number...
[00:21:29] <Berny> does she look good? ;-)
[00:21:45] <boyd> Wow.. phone ringing!
[00:23:57] <boyd> Heh.. not her, strangely
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[00:29:58] <richlowe> boyd: whoa
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[00:30:23] <richlowe> wesolows: isn't DE the attack on your reputation? :)
[00:30:45] <boyd> :P
[00:30:45] <wesolows> seems to be self-inflicted though :-)
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[00:31:09] * boyd thinks wesolows is still grumpy about the "cat" based "fix" to LU
[00:31:46] <wesolows> yes, I was hoping you would have written alternate firmware we could use to make biosdev not FAIL HORRIBLY on x86
[00:31:58] <boyd> What, in 4 hours?
[00:32:06] <wesolows> Perhaps some kind of ... Open Firmware ...
[00:32:07] <Berny> hmm, biosdev?
[00:32:08] <boyd> It's I'd had 5, then sure, but..
[00:32:17] <Berny> did i hear biosdev?
[00:32:18] <boyd> *IF I'd
[00:32:21] <wesolows> Maybe something based on IEEE 1275 ...
[00:32:26] <Berny> what boxes are now broken?
[00:32:29] <wesolows> Nah, it's crazy; it'd never work.
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[00:32:34] <boyd> :)
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[00:33:04] <boyd> Berny: LU on the Ultra 20 and several^Wmany other boxes
[00:33:16] <boyd> Hoist by my own petard anyway, since brendang pointed out the fix I used was a UUOC
[00:33:28] <Berny> hmm, if you run into an issue on a x2200m2 i have a fix
[00:33:37] <richlowe> boyd: hah.
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[00:34:29] <boyd> Should have done #!tail +2
[00:34:47] <boyd> (or #!sed 1d )
[00:35:48] <boyd> So, back to the spam, "The key changes to SXDE are geared to improving installation and usability". I read the press release and what they're talking about is the new installer.
[00:35:59] <boyd> 1) is that really the biggest change since the last DE
[00:36:25] <boyd> 2) If you come to it hoping for usability changes and all you get is a new installer you'd be a bit annoyed, I'd think
[00:36:36] <wesolows> who knows?  who cares?
[00:36:53] <boyd> You're right, I'm giving it too much time
[00:37:01] <wesolows> people who can't figure out the existing Solaris installer really make me wonder anyway
[00:37:06] * boyd nods
[00:37:25] <boyd> Although the nested partitions take some explanation
[00:37:28] <boyd> (on x86)
[00:37:37] <wesolows> sorta like the guy driving on the wrong side of the road...you know it *could* happen to anyone, but you can't help but wonder at the person's native intelligence
[00:37:52] <boyd> Or maybe he's just visiting from the US :)
[00:37:54] <jbk> heh
[00:38:02] <jbk> someone almost hit me doing that last week
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[00:38:35] <boyd> wesolows: We had someone here drive for 75 km on the wrong side of a freeway a couple of months ago
[00:39:03] <elektronkind> jbk: did you ask him if he could install Solaris?
[00:39:24] <wesolows> boyd: That says a lot about how empty your roads are :-)
[00:39:27] <jmcp> boyd:  nicole ritchie was in town?
[00:39:28] <jbk> no, i just hot my horn and contemplated saying a few explitives
[00:39:45] <jbk> hey jmcp
[00:40:05] <jmcp> hya
[00:40:06] <boyd> jmcp: Lol... actually, I think he was from FNQ :)
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[00:41:26] <SYS64738> I am trying to compile apache2 from csk souces, but I receive this after the make command: find: stat() error /export/home/crossover/src_opt/httpd-2.2.3/include/ap_compat.h: No such file or directory
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[00:41:56] <SYS64738> which option declare that strange path ?
[00:42:38] <tomww> someone nameing its username "crossover" ...
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[00:43:39] <tomww> is there a patch included somewhere setting this path?
[00:43:49] <SYS64738> no
[00:44:03] <SYS64738> no ptaches
[00:45:26] <tomww> SYS64738: wondering why "find" is used in the Makefile. what should "find" find there?
[00:46:01] <tomww> stupid question. what should have been done with the ap_compat.h file?
[00:46:07] <SYS64738> the LD_LIBRARY is wrong
[00:47:56] <SYS64738> I don't know
[00:50:48] <SYS64738> why coolstack sux like this ?
[00:51:43] <hollenjf> boy.. the people in #solaris are real cocky
[00:52:00] <g4lt-sb100> and most of there mare here too
[00:52:05] <cmihai> Yeah, real fucking bastards they are.
[00:52:23] <hollenjf> se my point
[00:52:35] <boyd>  cmihai You channelling yoda?
[00:52:53] <cmihai> No, but I am drinking a soda.
[00:53:03] <hollenjf> soda?
[00:53:08] <hollenjf> i bet your real fat
[00:53:11] <hollenjf> and greasy
[00:53:20] <g4lt-sb100> S-O-D-A, soda
[00:53:29] <SYS64738> night
[00:53:52] <cmihai> aka carbonated water. Look it up.
[00:54:16] <hollenjf> with lots of refined sugar and no fiber
[00:54:41] <Berny> .oO(the only decent fizzy drink is champagne)
[00:55:01] <cmihai> I'll take fiber in my networks, mkey?
[00:55:02] <g4lt-sb100> Berny, and it tastes just like cherry cola?
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[00:55:27] <hollenjf> cmi: how much do you weigh?
[00:55:32] <Berny> not quite g4lt-sb100 ;-)
[00:55:34] <hollenjf> do ytou have a pic?
[00:55:36] <cmihai> About as much as your mother.
[00:55:37] <PerterB> g4lt-sb100: only in that club down in old soho
[00:55:48] <wesolows> getting a bit personal, eh?  On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.
[00:55:57] <hollenjf> exactly
[00:56:05] <hollenjf> dog... pig... same thing
[00:56:12] <PerterB> oink
[00:56:37] <iron_angel> nobody knows I'm really a slightly squarish katamari-like object emulating intelligence under a slightly modified Solaris 18 imported from the near future :P
[00:56:56] <wesolows> iron_angel: near?  Do tell...how'd we get 11 past Marketing?
[00:57:08] <iron_angel> hehehe :)
[00:57:36] <boyd> wesolows: Maybe they evolve more intellect in the future
[00:58:10] <wesolows> I was hoping they proved to be an evolutionary dead end.
[00:58:44] <cmihai> I think they should just rename it Solaris 20
[00:58:45] <cmihai> 2.0 for short.
[00:58:48] <cmihai> Oh, wait. Deja-vu.
[01:01:48] <hollenjf> so vlc cant configure... missing heades not on solaris
[01:01:49] <boyd> wesolows: Have you seen Idiocracy?
[01:01:52] <hollenjf> quite nice
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[01:01:59] <hollenjf> solaris is such a nice OS
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[01:02:22] <cmihai> hollenjf, if you can't handle it just use blastwave.org packages.
[01:02:29] <cmihai> There's packages for VLC and mplayer.
[01:03:23] <wesolows> boyd: nope
[01:03:23] <boyd> hollenjf: Why not "vlc requires header that are not on all OSs. What a nice program"
[01:04:22] <boyd> wesolows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy Just the first par is enough to get the idea
[01:06:01] <cmihai> boyd, so basically it's Futurama.
[01:06:08] <boyd> ... in reverse
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[01:06:39] <boyd> ... since the hibernators are now the smartest people on earth
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[01:07:58] <cmihai> boyd, point :-).
[01:08:50] <cmihai> boyd, though there was an episode where Fry was the smartest human :-)
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[01:16:46] <hollenjf> what is blashwave?
[01:16:54] <hollenjf> blastwave
[01:17:54] <boyd> hollenjf: A pre-built package repo. http://www.blastwave.org/howto.html
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[01:18:17] <hollenjf> it sure likes to over write headers?
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[01:19:49] <boyd> Sorry, I can't parse that
[01:20:07] <hollenjf> blastwave sure likes overwriting libs
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[01:20:51] <boyd> It does? I've never seen that
[01:21:29] <Berny> .oO(only if you dump your own stuff under /opt/csw)
[01:21:55] <MindDrive> Blastwave packages overwrite nothing in the core OS; everything it installs goes in /opt/csw unless you go through contortions to make it not do so.
[01:22:32] <boyd> mmm... contortions..
[01:23:33] <alanc> blastwave does like installing it's own copies of libraries already in the OS, but that's because it assumes it can only rely on what was in Solaris 8 in 1998 and anything newer isn't widespread enough yet to depend on
[01:23:36] <iron_angel> now, it will happily install its own builds of stuff that already ships with Solaris, like gtk, but it doesn't stomp on the existing ones.
[01:24:22] <boyd> It will also happily install 3/4 of the world when you just want one thing
[01:24:36] <alanc> (it does correctly assume that it will keep it's copies of the libraries much more up-to-date than Sun does)
[01:24:38] <iron_angel> boyd: that's dependencies for ya, though :(
[01:24:57] <iron_angel> this is why I want portage for Solaris, but hey :)
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[01:46:52] <Stric> interesting..
[01:46:53] <Stric> The following requested patches do not update any packages installed on the system
[01:46:53] <Stric> Packages from patch 120011-14 are not installed on the system.
[01:47:02] <Stric> "SunOS 5.10: kernel patch" .. I bet it's not installed ;)
[01:47:23] <jmcp> Stric: are you running s10u4?
[01:47:32] <Stric> sol10older, patching up
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[01:47:46] <jmcp> that's an interesting message to get then
[01:47:50] <Stric> yep ;)
[01:47:57] <Stric> got 118833-36 now
[01:48:13] <jmcp> since if you installed s10u4 directly, you'd see 120011-14 as your kernel patch rev - and /var/sadm/patch would be empty
[01:48:25] <jmcp> part of the joys of what RE calls "freshbitting"
[01:48:35] <jmcp> and no, I'm not quite sure wtf they mean by that term
[01:48:38] <jbk> heh
[01:49:00] <jbk> on a related subject, how many 'rejuvinations' has s10 had so far?
[01:49:10] <jmcp> nfi
[01:49:33] <jmcp> patch generation seems to me to be a bit like trying to keep medusa's hair in check
[01:49:42] <jbk> heh
[01:49:54] <jbk> i once looked at the docs or doing it and said 'uhh.. i'll just make a new package'
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[01:54:14] <alanc> they're rejuvenating at every update release now
[01:54:23] <alanc> for the ON patches at least
[01:54:26] <jmcp> "patch of olay"
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[01:58:45] <boyd> lol
[01:59:10] <Stric> I think I know my problem.. I had 120011-14.zip which was complete.. but also 120011-14/README.120011-14  (otherwise empty dir)
[02:00:04] <Stric> yep.
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[02:04:47] <Tempt> Hmm, an E450 completely full of 18Gb spindles ... sounds like a job .. for ... raidz.
[02:05:18] <jbk> *cue superhero music*
[02:05:41] <jmcp> Tempt: and a pallet jack
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[02:06:28] <Tempt> Pallet jack?
[02:06:53] <Tempt> I don't need this E450 anywhere but where it sits.
[02:06:58] <jmcp> oh
[02:07:02] <jmcp> not out the window?
[02:07:11] <Tempt> Besides, it has its own wheels, why bother with a jack?
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[02:07:49] <Tempt> Developers wanted more zones to play in, this E450 should cover them for plenty. Pleeeenty.
[02:08:02] <jmcp> Tempt: I bet they come to you within a month asking for more resources
[02:08:30] <Tempt> Nope.
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[02:08:32] <Tempt> I leave on Wednesday.
[02:08:44] <jmcp> ha!
[02:08:47] <jmcp> good for you :-)
[02:10:17] <Tempt> Besides, it's E450 or nothing for them, so they're getting the better option. Right?
[02:10:22] <jmcp> I guess
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[02:12:01] <jbk> one of my old coworkers used to by himself (no jack) rackmount e450s
[02:12:05] <jbk> still don't know how he did it
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[02:13:47] <Tempt> Easy
[02:13:53] <Tempt> pull out the power supplies and disks
[02:14:11] <Tempt> I've seen someone put an 880 in the rack by themselves
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[03:11:18] <pitty> anyone rememeber the arg to pass to the menu.MACADDRESS lines to delete any current boot blocks during jumpstart ?
[03:12:07] <pitty> ie: i am installing a machine that has a linux boot loader, but jumpstart is bombing because it sees a current boot block
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[03:18:36] <nrubsig> !seen drone
[03:19:15] <boyd> nrubsig: Who do you expect to respond to that?
[03:19:26] <nrubsig> boyd: ou
[03:19:31] <nrubsig> er
[03:19:32] <boyd> :P
[03:19:35] <nrubsig> boyd: you
[03:20:20] <nrubsig> boyd: technicially drone will answer, reporting the last message of user "drone"
[03:20:36] <boyd> But what's the point?
[03:20:50] <nrubsig> boyd: I want to test whether Drone  stll has problems.
[03:21:13] <boyd> Apparently it does
[03:21:18] <nrubsig> yes
[03:21:25] <nrubsig> same for ctcp ping
[03:21:53] <boyd> Does anyone else actually use that bot? (or are they all politely using PMs for that (hint, hint))
[03:22:24] <richlowe> if someone's around they're around
[03:22:26] <richlowe> if they aren't, they aren't.
[03:22:48] <nrubsig> If I ever get a magic wand with more than seven wishes I'm dump a T2000 on Drone's owner.
[03:22:53] <nrubsig> boyd: yes
[03:22:56] <pitty> ah, it was a simple fix, just reformat the raid and old boot block is history - thanks anyhow
[03:23:07] <nrubsig> boyd: http://www.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/opensolaris
[03:24:03] <nrubsig> boyd: normally you should see the channel log there.
[03:25:10] <boyd> Who the hell has time to read channel logs of times they weren't in the conversation? I find the logs here: ~/irclogs/freenode/\#opensolaris.log
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[03:31:23] <Tempt> boyd: They're usually waaay out of date
[03:31:39] <Tempt> Hmm, perhaps we need a new drone? I wonder who has a server that could run that?
[03:32:09] <boyd> I don't see the point of the existing one, why would we need a new one?
[03:32:18] <Tempt> I don't know.
[03:32:23] <Tempt> People seem to like the drone.
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[03:32:33] <boyd> Now, if we had a bot that could actually do something useful...
[03:32:38] <Tempt> I don't mind the !seen functionality, but I don't think IRC needs to be logged at all, let alone multiple times.
[03:32:44] <richlowe> boyd: the CIA bot.
[03:32:49] <boyd> like... !tell n00b about /home
[03:32:57] <Tempt> hmm
[03:33:08] <Tempt> There's a couple of off-the-shelf bots that handle that type of stuff
[03:33:09] <brendang> we should vote on the bot
[03:33:14] <brendang> I vote -1,000,000
[03:33:16] <Tempt> vote?
[03:33:21] <Tempt> democracy be damned.
[03:33:31] <nrubsig> Tempt: +1
[03:33:59] <Tempt> Now, being able to use a bot to explain paths, blastwave, /usr/local, packages, why opensolaris isn't linux, etc, etc
[03:34:02] <Tempt> That might be useful
[03:34:07] <brendang> I use a lot of PM's since I don't want a publically logged message taken out of context. the bot just means I speak a lot less here.
[03:34:18] <furrycat> wanted to say thanks for opensolaris
[03:34:19] <Tempt> Mm, same here.
[03:34:28] <Tempt> I really don't see why IRC needs to be fed to Google
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[03:34:48] <brendang> exactly. if people want to speak on google, go post to opensolaris-discuss
[03:35:10] <furrycat> irc is logged!?
[03:35:15] <furrycat> oh crap
[03:35:24] <boyd> heh
[03:35:41] <brendang> yes. which is more unhelpful that it is helpful
[03:35:49] <boyd> nrubsig: Are you voting in favor of "democracy be damned"?
[03:35:51] <brendang> who is responsible for the bot?
[03:35:54] <nrubsig> furrycat: you can pay boyd $200 and he removes the logs of all your activities... deal ?
[03:36:11] <nrubsig> brendang: erm, please dont touch Drone , ok ?
[03:36:19] <brendang> nrubsig: why.
[03:36:22] <brendang> nrubsig: why?
[03:36:29] <brendang> nrubsig: I say Drone gets kicked.
[03:36:48] <nrubsig> brendang: because usually - if it' s working - it's very usefull.
[03:36:48] <furrycat> irc logging can get someone fired
[03:36:51] <brendang> nrubsig: you say not. so our votes cancel. others seem to not want the Drone.
[03:37:00] <nrubsig> ok
[03:37:10] <nrubsig> brendang: I kick you if you touch Drone
[03:37:11] <brendang> furrycat: yes, good point
[03:37:13] <nrubsig> and I am serious
[03:37:14] <boyd> nrubsig: Honestly, what service does drone actually provide that's useful?
[03:37:24] <brendang> nrubsig: ok
[03:37:27] <nrubsig> boyd: searchable channel log
[03:37:32] <brendang> how do I kick in IRC? it's been a while? :)
[03:37:38] *** Drone was kicked by brendang (brendang)
[03:37:41] <brendang> yeah!!
[03:37:42] <furrycat> searchable channel log which can get someone fired
[03:37:45] *** brendang was kicked by nrubsig (nrubsig)
[03:38:14] <boyd> I have never found *anything* useful in a channel log that isn't part of a conversation I've been in but can't 100% recall a URL from (for example)
[03:38:32] <furrycat> so keep only urls
[03:38:45] <boyd> No, keep your own freakin' log
[03:38:47] * nrubsig IS VERY ANGRY right now.
[03:39:06] <boyd> nrubsig: That's nice.
[03:39:28] <furrycat> hopefully they don't log #solaris
[03:39:35] *** nrubsig was kicked by jamesd (feel better now? i know that feeling neglected can make you feel angry sometime.)
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[03:39:49] <boyd> Oh FFS
[03:39:54] <nrubsig> jamesd: this isn't very funny.
[03:40:10] <boyd> I have my own children. I don't need to see childs play here too
[03:40:13] <nrubsig> jamesd: it took some time to get Drone into this channel.
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[03:40:28] <jamesd> wb brendang
[03:40:39] <brendang> thanks
[03:41:23] <boyd> nrubsig: So, is there any other service other than logging that it provides?
[03:41:36] <Tempt> boyd: You're just a big MEANIE!
[03:41:45] <brendang> so why do we have a Drone? Roland is still out-voted
[03:41:51] <nrubsig> boyd: the logs are searchable and it tracks people logging in/out etc.
[03:42:02] <brendang> unless, for some reason, Roland thinks that he is more important than us
[03:42:14] <boyd> I'm just trying to have some information before having an opinion!
[03:42:22] <nrubsig> brendang: if you thing drone should go take it to benr. He owns the channel.
[03:42:28] <jamesd> brendang, for us to take bets on  how long he is going to lag before we get a response.
[03:42:31] <Tempt> I vote no for channel logging
[03:42:47] <Tempt> However, I will vote in support of other bot functions such as !seen and an information lookup
[03:42:58] <boyd> nrubsig: I'm interested. Why do parts/joins matter any more than "who is here right now?"
[03:43:35] <bda> When was x last seen?
[03:43:36] <brendang> nrubsig: no disrespect to ben, but I would have thought that the OpenSolaris community owns the channel. And if we think that the Drone is harmful (as people are pointing out), then the Drone goes.
[03:43:47] <jamesd> i think anyone that   pings more than 3 times in 24 hours, should be auto-banned. ;-)
[03:43:51] <boyd> Can someone tell my why they care when x was last seen?!
[03:44:05] <nrubsig> boyd: because it helps other people a bit. For the samep reason mozilla.org has it's bots around.
[03:44:19] <Tempt> Tracking parts/joins is completely pointless, since we all have our IRC running in screen and never leave
[03:44:35] <Tempt> having !seen means you can work out if someone is likely to be around.
[03:44:45] <nrubsig> Tempt: you may never leave, but other people only join here in unregualr intervals.
[03:44:47] <boyd> nrubsig: I'm trying to make a decision based on information. Your arguments in favor are so vague as to be useless
[03:44:48] <bda> Or when.
[03:45:00] <Tempt> nrubsig: Then they should get screen, dammit, and stick around.
[03:45:20] <boyd> Tempt: Since you have irssi in screen why not /last somebody ?
[03:45:27] <Tempt> boyd: Sssssh!
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[03:45:37] <wesolows> I know I've gotten in "trouble" because of channel logging, but the answer isn't not to log.
[03:45:47] <wesolows> Nor am I going to stop saying things which are true.
[03:46:07] <wesolows> So the answer is to tell the people who want to complain about what I'm saying to get stuffed and just ignore the whole thing.
[03:46:28] <Tempt> I just don't like having everything logged. I don't see the point, and I do see the downsides.
[03:46:44] <boyd> There is nowhere to hide on the net
[03:47:00] <boyd> Tempt: make an alter-ego and post all your dirt as them
[03:47:03] <wesolows> Since I keep my own log, I agree, but ultimately I'm fairly indifferent to the whole thing.  Nothing really stops nrubsig or anyone else from making his own log and publishing it somewhere, so it's not like there's really a difference.
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[03:47:16] <wesolows> This is, after all, a public place.
[03:48:17] <wesolows> I'd liken it to a pub; if you want to talk privately, go sit in a booth.  If you say offensive things or disclose secrets while sitting at the bar, someone may overhear and you may get into trouble.  Don't do that then.
[03:49:09] <nrubsig> wesolows: I can't run a public logging service for this channel since I don't own a suiteable server which is online all the day. That's why we have Drone...
[03:49:26] <brendang> wesolows: it isn't very welcoming to newbies, who may be embarassed to ask what might be silly questions if they knew it was logged forever
[03:49:39] <nrubsig> groan
[03:50:08] <wesolows> brendang: Maybe.  Like I said, I'm not really defending it, just saying that it's basically impossible to prevent anyway.
[03:50:11] <furrycat> brendang: plus, some topics can be used against people when a group is having a good discussion
[03:50:12] <Tempt> If someone transcribed every bar conversation at my local pub and posted it online, I'd be annoyed.
[03:50:13] <boyd> brendang: Meh, everything is logged on the net... that never stopped n00bs on usenet :)
[03:50:31] <nrubsig> brendang: mozilla.org logs it's stuff for all it's servers and many programming questions there are ... hillarious sometimes. Still the people don't hesitate to ask them.
[03:50:33] <boyd> Personally I have no strong feeling either way, except that public !seen is inexplicably annoying
[03:50:53] <furrycat> is there a private place to ask questions?
[03:50:55] <nrubsig> boyd: maybe it is annoying, but IMHO only a small bit.
[03:51:02] <Tempt> !seen boyd
[03:51:02] <wesolows> Tempt: Me too - but I'll also say things in bars that I'd never say here. :-)
[03:51:05] <brendang> wesolows: its technically impossible to prevent BBS logs appearing to internet; but I'd rather people didn't put flamewars of yester-year online forever.
[03:51:14] <binarycrusader> Tempt: how do you know they aren't already? <g>
[03:51:17] <boyd> Tempt: boyd was last seen punching Tempt in the head
[03:51:21] <Tempt> haha.
[03:52:01] <wesolows> furrycat: What good would that be?  You can always /msg or send private mail, but then one wonders how you got the right person's contact info in the first place.
[03:52:23] <Tempt> It'll end up like usenet flaming of old
[03:52:31] <furrycat>  msg is annoying and prevents others from commenting
[03:52:55] <wesolows> So - what?  You want the benefits of public discussion with privacy?
[03:52:58] <wesolows> I don't get it.
[03:53:02] <furrycat> if you want to be logged, go on the opensolaris forums
[03:53:14] <wesolows> You're going to be logged here, no matter what.
[03:53:15] <nrubsig> BTW: "Drone" has a "FAQ" function, too. It only needs to be configured.
[03:53:31] <wesolows> We can get rid of all bots but that won't prevent you from being logged.  I'm logging you right now.
[03:53:32] <furrycat> so, instead of logging, make drone useful
[03:53:41] <furrycat> but i can dispute your log
[03:53:48] <wesolows> You can dispute drone's too
[03:53:54] <furrycat> not as easily
[03:53:59] <wesolows> He's not under "official" control
[03:54:08] <wesolows> Not that there's any real authority here anyway.
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[03:54:26] <furrycat> can we make the drone log optional?
[03:54:29] * binarycrusader hands out pointless discussion of the year awards
[03:54:40] <furrycat> those that want to be logged can be logged and those that don't can opt out
[03:54:41] <boyd> I think there should be a bot that answers bot FAQs
[03:54:49] <brendang> I don't think logging can really be argued one way or another. facts can be pointed out, but at the end of the day, it is whether the opensolaris community is comfortable with it or not - which is who this channel is for.
[03:54:56] <wesolows> In that case I think just turning it off would be better
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[03:55:10] <furrycat> wesolows: why?
[03:55:18] <wesolows> furrycat: Half a conversation is useless.
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[03:55:19] <furrycat> logging can only bite someone in the but
[03:55:21] <binarycrusader> i don't really care if it is on or off personally, if I don't want something to be repeated or known, I won't say it in a public forum
[03:55:24] <boyd> binarycrusader: You think this beats GPL/CDDL?
[03:55:28] <wesolows> Or 1/3 or 2/3 or whatever.
[03:55:38] <wesolows> binarycrusader: Exactly.
[03:55:50] <boyd> binarycrusader, wesolows  +1
[03:56:08] <binarycrusader> so +1 to turning it off, +1 to leaving it on
[03:56:11] <binarycrusader> how about them apples?
[03:56:14] <Tempt> boyd: Shall we put up a FAQ bot then?
[03:56:19] <wesolows> crunchy and tart, thanks
[03:56:54] <boyd> wesolows: No, sweet! all tart-lovers should follow the one true way of sweetness
[03:56:59] <nrubsig> Tempt: drone has a faq function. It only needs to be configured.
[03:57:08] <Tempt> nrubsig: Drone is boring, we need a new bot!
[03:57:32] <wesolows> I don't really see anyone offering strong arguments either way, but if I were in charge I'd tend to side with the "vague sense of unease" and say get rid of it, so long as no one seriously pretends they're not still being logged.
[03:57:32] <boyd> "HappyFunBot"
[03:57:44] <wesolows> boyd++
[03:57:57] <furrycat> gestapo_bot
[03:58:09] <boyd> more like stasi_bot
[03:58:20] <furrycat> informing on your superiours when you tell a newbie to RTFM
[03:58:23] <binarycrusader> can we pleast not invoke Godwin's law?
[03:58:45] <richlowe> you know who else didn't want godwin invoked?  That's right...
[03:58:48] <wesolows> furrycat: You laugh...
[03:59:11] * boyd goes off to do something, you know, worth the time.
[03:59:24] * wesolows goes off to smoke some crack
[03:59:28] <brendang> wesolows: yes. its a vague sense of unease, that some people feel and some people don't.
[03:59:48] <boyd> brendang: I suspect they have that sense when they're not on IRC too. It's the drugs, man.
[04:00:07] <binarycrusader> <g>
[04:00:16] <wesolows> put on a fuckin tinfoil hat then
[04:00:33] <wesolows> it's not like the bloody NSA isn't logging it anyway, and they're a hell of a lot more sinister than any bot
[04:00:42] <Tempt> Tinfoil? That won't keep out the atomic communist mind control lasers!
[04:00:43] * binarycrusader waves to AT&T
[04:00:58] <furrycat> but the NSA doesn't sign our checks
[04:01:00] <wesolows> Tempt: Whatever material you think appropriate then - ferroconcrete with lead reinforcements, perhaps.
[04:01:11] <binarycrusader> faraday cage anyone?
[04:01:12] <brendang> NSA can log it all they like.
[04:01:13] <wesolows> furrycat: You *WORK FOR* drone?!
[04:01:16] <Tempt> furrycat: You don't *think* the NSW signs ...
[04:01:42] <jamesd> brendang, damm right as long as they use sun/storagedge as there official supplier.
[04:01:46] <furrycat> drone, was furrycat being mean to newbies?  DRONE: yes he was
[04:02:00] <boyd> What about a bot that just puts #include <stddisclaimer.h> after every single comments from every person
[04:02:18] <boyd>  #include <stddisclaimer.h>
[04:02:21] <wesolows> if I kickban drone, can we never talk about this again?
[04:02:33] <richlowe> doubtful
[04:02:34] <nrubsig> groan
[04:02:39] <boyd> heh
[04:02:56] <boyd> What about a bot that /kicks any talk of bots
[04:03:11] <wesolows> to hell with you all then, I'm off to get crack
[04:03:26] <binarycrusader> wesolows: that sounds far more productive :}
[04:03:31] <wesolows> indeed
[04:03:47] <boyd> wesolows: Where do you buy? (just for the log)
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[04:03:56] <furrycat> wesolows: all offensive talk will be punished, sincerely, Drone management's enforcer.
[04:03:59] <Tempt> What about a hypnotoad?
[04:04:12] <Tempt> Obviously the solution to all disputes
[04:04:31] <binarycrusader> hip hip hooray!
[04:04:44] <binarycrusader> furrycat: "The drones need you; they look up to you."
[04:04:49] <furrycat> using crack is against company policy.  It puts opensolaris in a bad light
[04:05:05] <binarycrusader> furrycat: what if it's CDDL licensed?
[04:05:10] <binarycrusader> *ducks*
[04:05:15] <Tempt> they can look that up in the logs, you know?
[04:05:32] <brendang> wesolows just walked out
[04:05:59] <Tempt> Did he have his pipe?
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[04:06:45] <brendang> anyhow, there are some questions you could ask me (about DTrace or performance), that I just wouldn't find the time to answer here; since I'm answering to google and would need to phrase things carefully for those who haven't studied the complete IRC session. It would be easy to get misquoted.
[04:07:00] <furrycat> does the NSA use solaris?
[04:07:01] <boyd> brendang: Oh, rubbish
[04:07:13] <jamesd> furrycat, of course.
[04:07:15] <furrycat> we can use the telnet exploit to erase the logs
[04:07:40] <boyd> It's incumbent on people who read the logs to get the info straight since thet walked into a conversation, not the other way around
[04:07:45] <jamesd> furrycat, lilke they would have it enabled? ...
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[04:07:53] <jamesd> the S doesn't stand for studid.
[04:08:11] <furrycat> there is always a vulnerability in complex software
[04:09:01] <furrycat> 30,000 sun employees?  whose to say one of them isn't an agent of a foreign government?
[04:09:27] <brendang> boyd: no one has tried to use you as a scapegoat? some people want to be able to blame Sun for things, and being able to misquote Sun staff would be a great (although evil) resource.
[04:09:37] <furrycat> brendang: absolutely
[04:09:46] <jamesd> only one? i bet  5000 of them are paid by the NSA, FBI, CIA , and many more...
[04:09:47] <boyd> Hmm.. I just got an email out of the blue: "Dear Boyd:  Thank you for your interest in the Free Solaris Program. " I have no idea where that came from
[04:09:57] <boyd> (well, *why* actually)
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[04:10:24] <furrycat> jamesd: whose to say that the telnet exploit wasn't done on purpose?
[04:10:44] <Tempt> boyd: I got that one too
[04:10:54] <richlowe> I think someone's just decided boyd is an awesome spam target.
[04:10:56] <jamesd> furrycat, because if it was done on purpose, it wouldn't of been found so easily.
[04:11:17] <furrycat> jamesd: it was there long enough for someone to put in their rootkits
[04:12:03] <jamesd> so... if it was done on purpose it would of been there for years if not decades, and it wouldn't of been so easy to find.
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[04:12:15] <binarycrusader> ok, now we're just in weirdo conspiracy land...
[04:12:31] <furrycat> binarycrusader: its not a conspiracy.
[04:12:37] <brendang> binarycrusader: oh, btw, how's SF dude?
[04:12:47] <binarycrusader> brendang: SF?
[04:12:48] <furrycat> its a fact.  Any rational government would want to put in backdoors
[04:13:04] <brendang> binarycrusader: oh - you didn't actually move here
[04:13:13] <binarycrusader> brendang: no, never thought of it either :}
[04:13:26] <binarycrusader> brendang: if you're referring to san francisco?
[04:13:31] <brendang> binarycrusader: yep
[04:14:52] <binarycrusader> brendang: i think i'd rather move to melbourne than sf...
[04:14:53] <brendang> binarycrusader: thought I heard someone mention that you had a job here...
[04:14:58] <binarycrusader> brendang: nope
[04:16:15] <binarycrusader> brendang: I have a job here in Kansas
[04:16:26] <binarycrusader> brendang: I will be at the osol summit though next month
[04:16:41] <Tempt> anyway, CAN HAS LUNCH? OH YES
[04:18:16] <brendang> binarycrusader: I might be at the osol summit, to meet folks at least.
[04:18:54] <furrycat> there aren't very many females in northern cali
[04:19:20] <binarycrusader> brendang: we've met before in Sydney :}
[04:19:25] <binarycrusader> brendang: I have incriminating photos, remember?
[04:19:35] <brendang> binarycrusader: yep - I remember!
[04:19:48] <furrycat> Drone: let me see those incrimminating photos please
[04:19:55] <binarycrusader> brendang: btw, I picked up your co-authored book
[04:20:07] <binarycrusader> brendang: nicely done, and well worth buying
[04:20:11] <brendang> binarycrusader: cool, thanks!
[04:20:21] <binarycrusader> brendang: picked up the companion book too ;}
[04:20:34] <tek-ops> what filesystems can SEDR read natively?
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[04:21:28] <e^ipi> ufs, hsfs, zfs, pcfs, probably a couple others
[04:22:28] <boyd> nfs
[04:23:07] <e^ipi> yes, forgot about that one
[04:23:45] <tek-ops> pcfs is what fat16?
[04:24:03] <binarycrusader> no
[04:24:08] <binarycrusader> pcfs reads more than just fat16
[04:24:16] <binarycrusader> well, when it works right anyway ;}
[04:24:44] <binarycrusader> fat16, fat32, fat12? and maybe one or two others if I remember right...
[04:24:51] <Stric> grmbl. pident no longer working in s10u4 (and b62+).
[04:24:58] <binarycrusader> Stric: known
[04:25:03] <binarycrusader> Stric: see the lists
[04:25:19] <Stric> yup. seen the lists.. and "I got it working" .. but no link to working stuff..
[04:25:34] <binarycrusader> Stric: long term fix is to get a stable interface for the stuff it relies on
[04:25:49] <furrycat> will it be possible to mount ntfs?
[04:25:57] <Stric> right now I'm more interested in a short term fix :)
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[04:26:20] <tek-ops> I'm attempting to safely transform a file server running linux to opensolaris
[04:26:32] <tek-ops> the data is stored on an xfs file system
[04:26:37] <binarycrusader> furrycat: it is now, read-only
[04:26:46] <binarycrusader> furrycat: not using opensolaris as is though
[04:26:52] <furrycat> in solaris 10 u4?
[04:26:59] <binarycrusader> furrycat: http://mount-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[04:27:26] <binarycrusader> furrycat: works pretty well, I use it all the time
[04:28:33] <e^ipi> tek-ops: migrate it to ZFS, be happy.
[04:28:44] <tek-ops> that's of course the end result
[04:29:12] <furrycat> i was a big linux user (5 years) about 8 months ago. I tried it the other day and it was painful going back.
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[04:31:15] <furrycat> I've changed in the last 8 months.  ext3 -> zfs.  bash -> ksh
[04:31:35] <networkdump> is there an equivalent the the command "clear"?
[04:31:46] <furrycat> clear
[04:31:51] <snuff-work> dos is cls ;)
[04:32:08] <networkdump> well is doesn't seems to work
[04:32:16] <furrycat> clear works in ksh
[04:32:26] <binarycrusader> depends on your terminal type
[04:32:31] <Stric> /usr/bin/clear should work with any shell
[04:32:37] <binarycrusader> and which clear you're using possibly
[04:32:42] <networkdump> I'm in a screen which is connected to a xen console
[04:33:11] <networkdump> TERM is sun-color
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[04:34:14] <tek-ops> ok, thank  you, I've used open solaris plenty
[04:34:26] <tek-ops> I'm just looking for a file system migration
[04:34:31] <networkdump> any idea?
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[04:34:59] <jbk> try changing it to xterm or vt100
[04:35:20] <networkdump> thank you :)
[04:35:21] <tek-ops> what is a file system I can create on linux, to coppy the data to, then install solaris, make the zpool, copy back ad spare
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[04:35:58] <boyd> FAT?
[04:36:12] <boyd> (+star IMHO)
[04:37:05] <tek-ops> +star?
[04:37:30] <tek-ops> raw would be nice, hahaha
[04:37:35] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: use the star archiver to create a tarball
[04:37:52] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: then copy it to a fat32 partition
[04:37:54] <tek-ops> star archiver?
[04:37:59] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: yes, it's included with a lot of distributions
[04:38:01] <e^ipi> schilly's tar
[04:38:03] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: you could use tar too
[04:38:23] <tek-ops> tgz'ing right now
[04:38:28] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: that works too
[04:38:38] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: just create a fat32 partition, and stuff your data on there
[04:38:43] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: you can mount that from Solaris
[04:38:46] <tek-ops> so no issues reading fat32 in opensolaris?
[04:38:55] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: none that I've had
[04:39:11] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: opensolaris can read/write fat32 just fine in my experience
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[04:39:20] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: but I don't use it for "serious" stuff and I have lots of backups :}
[04:39:21] <tek-ops> mkfs.ext3 -F 32 basically?
[04:39:28] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: yeah, that should do it
[04:39:34] <tek-ops> this is what's holding me back
[04:39:37] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: it also doesn't matter if it's in a primary or logical partition
[04:39:39] <tek-ops> it's the current file server
[04:39:54] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: external USB drives are great for moving data around
[04:40:03] <binarycrusader> tek-ops: on a fat32 partition especially in my experience
[04:40:07] <tek-ops> it's still a matter of file system
[04:40:15] <tek-ops> ok, so that's the one then
[04:41:38] <tek-ops> well I'm getting SEDR 9/07 as we speak, I really am curious to see the new installer
[04:41:50] <tek-ops> then probably just LU to b73
[04:42:06] <tek-ops> D-lite is intriguing as well
[04:43:00] <binarycrusader> any cstyle experts here?
[04:43:04] <binarycrusader> i'm looking to make a change to it
[04:43:09] <binarycrusader> and I need someone's opinion
[04:44:30] <jbk> well i'm sure there's no shortages of opinion in here :)
[04:44:38] <binarycrusader> :}
[04:45:04] <binarycrusader> well, the short version is, I found a bug in it's exception handling for the "whitespace before right paren" check
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[04:45:26] <binarycrusader> it allows for the case of a "for" statements to have an empty "continue" clause
[04:45:35] <binarycrusader> however, it only does so if it is not the result of a continuation
[04:46:00] <binarycrusader> an easy fix for this particular exception would simply be to check to see if we are in a continuation of a for and allow the exception to happen
[04:46:23] <binarycrusader> however, the code that determines whether we are in a continuation is run well after the check for "whitespace before right paren"
[04:46:39] <binarycrusader> hence, to fix this, I would need to move the continuation check to be one of the first things so the other checks could take advantage of it
[04:46:50] <binarycrusader> as well as all the variables so they would be within scope
[04:47:16] <binarycrusader> thoughts? besides, exceptions suck?
[04:49:17] <richlowe> cstyle.pl, here?
[04:49:31] <binarycrusader> usr/src/tools/scripts/cstyle
[04:49:40] <binarycrusader> from onnv-scm...
[04:49:45] <richlowe> Yeah, same difference.
[04:49:48] <richlowe> or should be.
[04:50:24] <binarycrusader> so...
[04:50:27] <binarycrusader> ?
[04:51:47] <richlowe> it's a royal pain to test.
[04:51:56] <binarycrusader> I could also just check $prev and the current line and assume that if $prev was a for, that we're in a continuation
[04:52:08] <binarycrusader> but i'd rather not make changes to the actual continuation logic
[04:52:15] <binarycrusader> or duplicate any of it
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[05:08:09] <tek-ops> I'm confused
[05:08:23] <tek-ops> the sil 3512 is supported in Solaris 10, but not OpenSolaris?
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[05:10:33] <jmcp> tek-ops: why would it not be supported in opensolaris?
[05:11:00] <nrubsig> jmcp: maybe a binary-only driver ?
[05:11:07] <tek-ops> Maybe I misread the blog
[05:11:32] <tek-ops> well I keep seeing that the sil 3112 is supported in opensolaris, but I only see sil 3512 support in solaris 10
[05:11:37] <nrubsig> tek-ops: just try to treak OpenSolaris as Solaris 11.
[05:11:46] <nrubsig> s/treak/treat/
[05:12:12] <tek-ops> I read something a blog stating something along the lines of the SATA drivers are stripped down and the rest will be put back later
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[05:15:34] <tek-ops> I just remember having issue with it in the upper b60s
[05:15:43] <tek-ops> but I could be remembering incorrectly
[05:16:04] <jmcp> tek-ops: the 3512 is in the source for sil3xxx
[05:16:12] <jmcp> src.opensolaris.org::: usr/src/uts/intel/io/dktp/controller/ata/sil3xxx.c
[05:16:14] <tek-ops> ok cool, thanks
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[05:37:00] <Bartman007> hmm, does solaris have an issue with two drives on a PATA bus? (the install disc wouldn't boot properly with a second drive on the same channel as the dvd drive)
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[05:45:04] <jmcp> Solaris doesn't
[05:45:07] <jmcp> but your hardware might
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[05:46:00] <tsp> I have an interesting problem, and this started showing up on windows as well. I have a file where a string appears with grep, but nothing else
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[05:46:50] <Bartman007> interesting.
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[05:47:03] <tsp> unless there are two files with very similar sounding names
[05:47:06] <Tempt> Two drives on an IDE channel isn't exactly pushing the limits
[05:47:13] <Tempt> It should be fine. Apply a hammer to the PC.
[05:47:37] <Bartman007> Tempt: I guess the various linux distros I've run on this machine must have the hammer built in.
[05:49:18] <Tempt> They've probably cursed your hardware.
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[05:50:51] <Bartman007> Tempt: so I need a virgin chicken to lift the curse?
[05:51:11] <nrubsig> Bartman007: no
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[05:51:27] <nrubsig> Bartman007: You need to deliver your firstbirn to Scott McNealy!
[05:51:40] <nrubsig> groan
[05:51:50] <nrubsig> another joke ruined by typos
[05:52:07] <Bartman007> nrubsig: I've already signed the firstborn to RMS...
[05:52:38] <Bartman007> will Mr McNealy take the afterbirth?
[05:53:28] <nrubsig> Bartman007: your 2nd and 3rd are needed then.
[05:53:53] <Bartman007> nrubsig: guess I should start donating to a sperm bank, speed up the process.
[05:53:56] <Tempt> And due to the viral nature of the GPL
[05:54:03] <Tempt> the children of your children are also signed over to RMS
[05:54:11] <Bartman007> Tempt: only the first born.
[05:54:18] <nrubsig> Tempt: isn't that slavery ?
[05:54:33] <Bartman007> nrubsig: you're the one that said it, not him.
[05:54:33] <Tempt> "GPL is slavery --nrubsig"
[05:54:42] <Tempt> quote of the day.
[05:55:01] <Tempt> Bartman007: If you don't hand them all to RMS, they'll criticise you on slashdot. (OH NOES!)
[05:55:12] <nrubsig> Tempt: it was a question, not a statement.
[05:55:35] <Bartman007> nrubsig: but there was a space between the last letter and the question mark!
[05:55:52] <Tempt> Yes, you've been quoted out of context
[05:56:02] * nrubsig throws a bottle of acid after Bartman007
[05:56:06] <Tempt> and give it two days and anyone googling GPL slavery will hit your quote.
[05:56:33] <nrubsig> Tempt: no problem. my phone number is 0641/9941370
[05:59:08] <binarycrusader> Tempt: Wizard's First Rule
[05:59:15] <binarycrusader> Tempt: that's all I have to say about that
[05:59:39] * Tempt looks baffled
[06:00:04] <binarycrusader> Tempt: it's a reference to a series of books by an author named "Terry Goodkind"
[06:00:11] <Tempt> Google agrees.
[06:00:32] <binarycrusader> Tempt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard's_Rule
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[06:03:00] <Tempt> I'm ... unchanged.
[06:07:08] * Bartman007 goes back to install sxce minus one drive
[06:07:14] <Bartman007> I'll troubleshoot it later.
[06:07:34] * nrubsig is tempted to put a comment about Solaris bugs into Jim Grizianos blog which may stirr up some people...
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[06:08:13] <richlowe> Jim seems good enough at doing that himself.
[06:08:22] <richlowe> my problem is I find myself disagreeing with a whole lot of what he's posting.
[06:08:59] <nrubsig> richlowe: my point is that one comment of Linus is correct: Solaris IS full of rotten bugs.
[06:09:18] <nrubsig> so is Linux, but at least they work on getting rid of them.
[06:09:48] <jmcp> nrubsig: and we don't in Solaris/OpenSolaris?
[06:10:01] <nrubsig> the Solaris folks first need a buisiness case before anyone moves his butt.
[06:10:02] <richlowe> jmcp: of course we don't.
[06:10:05] <richlowe> jmcp: we enjoy the pain of our users.
[06:10:08] <richlowe> (don't we?)
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[06:10:16] <jmcp> ha
[06:10:27] <nrubsig> richlowe: see my comment
[06:10:45] <Gman> richlowe, i do.
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[06:11:30] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: resources are limited, and there are always bugs, it always makes the most sense for a business to focus on things that their customers need
[06:11:35] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: thus, the business case
[06:11:38] <richlowe> nrubsig: The key is to stop giving a damn about Solaris, business cases, marketing, and anything of the sort.
[06:11:43] <richlowe> nrubsig: opensolaris, code.
[06:11:48] <richlowe> and preferably not in that order.
[06:12:01] <richlowe> there's enough bitter people in here who'll fight for a bug fix against any of the former 4.
[06:12:10] <jbk> well i do think that sometimes there are a few intangibles that don't necessairly have a nice and clean cut business case, but hamper progress
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[06:20:38] <Tempt> urk, Torvalds ranting. Someone should cut his tongue out.
[06:20:41] <Tempt> and his fingers off.
[06:21:14] <jbk> well he should at least make sure he's right first :)
[06:21:21] <Gman> you're starting to rant about his rants ;)
[06:21:58] <jmcp> Tempt: where's he ranting now?
[06:24:12] <nrubsig> hell
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[06:25:03] <Tempt> jmcp: Aah, just the git thing.
[06:25:07] <jmcp> oh, right
[06:25:08] <Tempt> jmcp: See above.
[06:25:43] <Tempt> Just a little too rude, really.
[06:26:06] <Tempt> I think he's trying to steal Theo's reputation for being troublesome, and so far doing a good job.
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[06:48:38] <gavagai_> I wanna buy a laptop
[06:48:45] <gavagai_> which one is cheap and best for opensolaris
[06:48:50] <Tempt> I want a nuclear submarine
[06:51:40] <Gman> gavagai_, probably best to focus on one that has intel chipsets - probably the most likely of being supported
[06:52:25] <Gman> though there are issues, for example wpa support on the intel wireless driver
[06:52:39] <gavagai_> what is wpa
[06:53:01] <Gman> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ is worth a trawl through
[06:53:39] <Gman> gavagai_, wifi protected access - allows you to connected to wpa based wireless network
[06:54:03] <gavagai_> oh ok
[06:54:08] <gavagai_> acer ferrari is expensive
[06:55:21] <gavagai_> what is solaris express developer edition hcl?
[06:55:27] <gavagai_> other solaris os hcl
[06:56:47] <Gman> solaris express developer editions are the quarterly binary releases of codebase which is based on opensolaris.org
[06:56:57] <Gman> (along with some other bits that aren't)
[06:57:09] <gavagai_> cool
[06:57:39] <Gman> this is probably what you'd want to run if you're running solaris on a laptop
[06:57:46] <Gman> better support than solaris 10
[06:57:55] <Gman> (in terms of drivers)
[06:58:10] <gavagai_> yes
[06:59:18] <gavagai_> I think, sun is supporting all acer laptops
[06:59:27] <gavagai_> i donno whats going on between acer n sun
[07:00:22] <CIA-25> joycey: 6591788 Need nxge 32bit driver for x86 to support PXE boot, 6550650 SUNWnxge.i whines on upgrade
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[07:01:15] <Gman> gavagai_, many kernel engineers used acer laptops because they had 64bit support
[07:01:18] <Gman> nothing more than that
[07:01:25] <gavagai_> i see
[07:01:40] <gavagai_> only some of acers are certified; some other acers are reported to work
[07:01:44] <gavagai_> is there any difference
[07:02:36] <Gman> well, one is a definite guarantee
[07:03:15] <Gman> i'd personally write down the various bits and pieces that are supported (wireless, graphics, ..) and take it into a shop and see what you can afford :)
[07:04:46] <gavagai_> i see
[07:05:55] <gavagai_> which one I need to care?
[07:06:02] <gavagai_> which wireless card is best supported
[07:06:09] <gavagai_> which grahics card is best supported
[07:06:55] <Gman> most intel graphics cards should work, but you might want to get confirmation from alanc
[07:07:07] <gavagai_> oh ok
[07:07:16] <Gman> i have an intel wireless card - seems to work well under WEP, but it doesn't work atm with WPA
[07:07:20] <Gman> hopefully there'll be a fix soon
[07:07:51] <gavagai_> I want it to work under mac authentication with the router
[07:08:06] <Gman> i've heard that atheros seem to work with wpa
[07:08:16] <Gman> most will do that
[07:08:27] <Gman> maybe have a read through laptop-discuss@opensolaris alias
[07:08:41] <Gman> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/laptop-discuss
[07:08:47] <gavagai_> but it is full of spam
[07:09:06] <gavagai_> sorry
[07:09:07] <gavagai_> it is not
[07:09:10] <gavagai_> let me go there
[07:09:48] <Gman> you'll have to do the work yourself to figure out if a laptop you're interested will work ok
[07:10:02] <gavagai_> ok
[07:10:03] <gavagai_> thanks
[07:10:07] <Gman> there's also a java app you can run if you can get access to the laptop
[07:10:14] <Gman> and it'll tell you if things are supported
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[07:10:57] <gavagai_> i see
[07:10:59] <gavagai_> thats cool
[07:11:22] <Gman> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ddtool/
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[07:17:31] * trochej needs a coffee
[07:17:32] <trochej> A sting onew
[07:17:35] <trochej> strong
[07:17:36] <trochej> one
[07:17:38] <trochej> hmpf
[07:18:09] <trochej> http://www.flickr.com/photos/spike5792/1434769262/in/pool-geeks/
[07:18:10] <trochej> :)
[07:20:26] <Tempt> Obviously need much coffee.
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[07:44:33] <WickedWicky> morning
[07:44:38] <WickedWicky> coffee sounds good
[07:45:20] <e^ipi> I have green coffee coming to me in a few days
[07:45:22] <e^ipi> yay
[07:45:35] <e^ipi> I wonder how long until I set my apartment on fire
[07:46:20] <WickedWicky> that'd be a waste of coffee now wouldnt it
[07:46:32] <Tempt> popcorn popper?
[07:47:01] <WickedWicky> better be a very very very good movie you're gonna eat that popcorn with
[07:47:22] <Tempt> No, for roasting coffee.
[07:47:27] <e^ipi> Tempt: that's the plan, yeah
[07:47:37] <Tempt> I've done it.
[07:47:39] <Tempt> It was fun.
[07:47:42] <WickedWicky> oh! haha, sorry, not fully awake yet
[07:47:49] <Tempt> Be ready for some smoke and mess though.
[07:47:57] <WickedWicky> inform the neighbours
[07:48:17] <e^ipi> nah, then they'd know who to blame
[07:48:20] <Tempt> oh, they'll know soon enough
[07:48:29] <Tempt> when the smell of roasting coffee invades their soul.
[07:49:03] <WickedWicky> surely they'll get corrupted for the good stuff (tm) if they arent already
[07:49:21] <Tempt> Actually, the smell of *roasting* coffee isn't that dee-licious
[07:49:28] <WickedWicky> I looooooooove it
[07:49:35] <WickedWicky> oh, roasting not, roasted yes
[07:49:49] <Tempt> Yeah, it doesn't smell so nice at all during the roasting process.
[07:50:03] <Tempt> Smells more someone's taking a blowtorch to a jar of instant.
[07:50:07] <WickedWicky> not as good as the smell of when you fuel your tank at a gasoline pump... but that's long long ago ;P
[07:50:26] <WickedWicky> e^ipi: make pics
[07:50:41] <e^ipi> ... of coffeebeans?
[07:50:53] <WickedWicky> 'f course
[07:50:57] <WickedWicky> woreship
[07:51:02] <Tempt> Yes, post them online.
[07:51:16] <WickedWicky> Tempt puts pics online of bootylicious cups of coffee
[07:51:23] <WickedWicky> so why not of bootylicious roasted beans?
[07:51:30] <WickedWicky> or of the process roasting them
[07:51:53] <WickedWicky> if things really go haywire you can always sell the pics to a local newspaper and get some money for a new interior
[07:52:00] <e^ipi> heh
[07:53:16] <Tempt> I'll post them on purplecow if you don't have anywhere else appropriate
[07:53:33] <WickedWicky> purplecow seems an appropiate place for coffee
[07:53:48] <Tempt> Purplecow is the appropriate place for *everything*
[07:55:09] * WickedWicky sends you his nekkid pics
[07:55:40] <WickedWicky> which dont exist, before a new story starts on the internet
[07:55:41] * Tempt republishes them to alt.binaries.erotica....
[07:55:48] <WickedWicky> haha
[07:55:52] <WickedWicky> w00t
[07:55:55] <Tempt> ... and emails them to kaiwai
[07:55:59] <WickedWicky> OH NOES
[07:56:29] <trochej> fap fap fap fap fap fap fap
[07:56:38] <trochej> to continue in the bad tone :)
[07:56:43] <WickedWicky> lol
[07:56:48] <WickedWicky> riiiiiiight
[07:56:58] <WickedWicky> I think I am going to make that coffee
[07:58:02] <trochej> :)
[07:58:20] * trochej reads some *-discuss stuff
[07:58:34] <trochej> I can see that people start to notice, that Linus isn't a nice guy he likes to play
[07:58:37] <trochej> Kheh
[07:59:16] <palowoda> Heh I just got a smoker and my neighbor is the fire station.  Should be fun.
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[08:01:14] <e^ipi> WickedWicky: ?
[08:01:15] <e^ipi> I'm comfortable with the possibility that I'm the subject of a gay masturbatory fantasy
[08:01:15] <e^ipi> you should be too
[08:02:25] <Tempt> anyway
[08:02:26] <Tempt> 0xc0ffee
[08:02:32] * jmcp looks around, wonders where kaiwai is ......
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[08:05:35] <trochej> jmcp: Guard your back, you are on enema territory :)
[08:06:07] <jmcp> ewww!
[08:08:12] <palowoda> check out the new fishing rod: http://www.fiver.net/misc/nf2.jpg
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[08:12:19] <trochej> CNice
[08:13:57] <WickedWicky> lol
[08:14:00] <WickedWicky> cool
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[08:14:44] <palowoda> I know what are the chances you would find one with that name.  Could resist get it. :)
[08:15:09] <WickedWicky> haha, well you did right IMO
[08:15:44] <WickedWicky> rod looks profesional and expensive too ;s (of course I have no clue about fishing, only that it's the product of what i eat once in a while)
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[08:16:59] <trochej> ROTFL
[08:17:24] <trochej> What a man can find just firing up a find / *.avi on a server :)
[08:17:35] <trochej>  A Little Bit Pregnant 4 XXX DVDRip 2007.avi
[08:17:36] <trochej> kehehehe
[08:17:54] * trochej goes to do some rm -rf
[08:18:12] <WickedWicky> WAIT WAIT
[08:18:19] <WickedWicky> store it somewhere first! I didnt see that one yet
[08:18:20] <WickedWicky> :P
[08:21:19] <trochej> WickedWicky: I can't, I'm a Catholic. I. Must. Destroy. :)
[08:23:07] <e^ipi> nah, catholic just means you ask forgiveness later
[08:23:12] <WickedWicky> yeah well.. I was raised catholic.. did my communion, ya da, then I turned 16, and things got worse and worse :P
[08:24:23] <WickedWicky> anyway, of to the bus, talk to you later
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[08:33:24] <trochej> oki
[08:33:35] <trochej> Frog, I need a working Corel Draw here :/
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[08:35:14] <e^ipi> bittorrent?
[08:35:43] <trochej> e^ipi: Naah, I have a legal copy, however I don't have a copy of Windows
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[08:37:55] <Tempt> argh, T2000 hammered
[08:38:28] * Tempt mutters nasty curses about T2000s being jammed up with vmstat still reporting 40% idle
[08:39:11] <delewis> cache misses?
[08:39:34] <delewis> UltraSPARC-T1s are extremely sensitive to them.
[08:39:56] <Tempt> cache misses are part of it.
[08:40:05] <Tempt> The main part is 8 processes gobbling all the CPU they can eat.
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[08:49:51] <trochej> Frog, no corel, no inkscape
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[08:51:21] <mlh_> Tempt: so, next step is to limit them to a subset of cpus?
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[08:55:18] <Tempt> No.
[08:55:27] <Tempt> The next step is to move some of those zones onto another machine.
[08:55:43] <Tempt> It's a lot more than 8 processes, and some of them have to go.
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[08:58:23] <trochej> Microsoft said: "We understand that our [original equipment manufacturer] partners are responding appropriately to a small minority of customers that have this specific request. But, as they have said before, the vast majority of consumers want the latest and greatest technology and that includes Windows Vista."
[08:58:28] <trochej> a small minority of customers
[08:58:32] <trochej> I love MS marketoids
[08:58:37] <Tempt> They're telling the truth
[08:58:41] <trochej> They are simply the best, to quote Tina Turner
[08:58:48] <Tempt> It is a small minority of consumers who don't want Vista.
[08:58:57] <Tempt> a VOCAL minority, but still a pretty small one.
[08:59:34] <trochej> Tempt: Tell me, how a small minotiry of consumers can affect shops to the point of offering XP downgrade?
[08:59:35] <Cyrille> it may even be a small minority who knows what an OS really is and what the differences between them are, let alone which one they want.
[08:59:35] <Tempt> and remember, you just said you don't have Windows, so you aren't part of their market, you aren't one of their consumers.
[08:59:53] <Tempt> Cyrille's right.
[09:00:07] <Tempt> And it only takes 1% of Dell's customers to get them to make a call like that
[09:00:24] <jmcp> Tempt: I sure as hell don't want MS Windows Vista, and nor does my wife
[09:00:24] <trochej> Tempt: Depends on how you define their market. Because as far as I am aware, they point and click every computing consumer
[09:01:06] <Tempt> jmcp: Yes, but you weren't that impressed by any previous Windows, were you? NO!
[09:01:18] <jmcp> correct
[09:01:31] <Tempt> anyone in #opensolaris is so far from the average desktop consumer they're off the chart for this sort of thing.
[09:02:15] <trochej> Tempt: When 95 was out, I was an Amiga and Mac veteran, I may say
[09:02:22] <trochej> So no, I was never impressed by Windows
[09:03:12] <Tempt> urk
[09:03:13] <Tempt> more spam from Sun
[09:03:31] <Tempt> third one today, exactly the same
[09:04:11] <Bartman007> Tempt: It is a small minority of consumers who don't want duplicate spam from Sun.
[09:05:03] * Tempt screams
[09:05:13] * Tempt picked up nrubsig and beats Bartman007 halfway to death.
[09:05:19] * Tempt surveys the carnage.
[09:08:00] <Bartman007> Tempt: "I'm not dead." -The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't
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[09:14:02] <Tempt> excellent
[09:14:07] <Tempt> The T2000 just ended it.
[09:14:12] <Tempt> by panic'ing
[09:14:30] <Tempt> trapstat: TSTATIOC_GO failed: Resource temporarily unavailable
[09:14:40] <Tempt> that was the command that caused an insta-panic.
[09:18:23] * WickedWicky runs around in circles screaming panic
[09:18:46] <Bartman007> grub is screwing with me.
[09:18:57] <WickedWicky> properly?
[09:19:06] <Tempt> WickedWicky: You can join my T2000
[09:19:15] <WickedWicky> Tempt: did you expect this behaviour and was it a test or are you pissed off and kicking hardware now?
[09:19:23] * Tempt mutters something about 'should have bought a 490'
[09:19:26] <Tempt> This is a live host
[09:19:27] <Tempt> Not a test.
[09:19:32] <Tempt> There are angry users bleating
[09:19:32] <WickedWicky> *shrug*
[09:19:34] <WickedWicky> sucks t be you
[09:19:39] <Tempt> meh
[09:19:44] <Bartman007> *orrgle*
[09:19:47] <WickedWicky> pebbles at the other hand!
[09:19:49] <Tempt> I'll get it up and running and then it won't be my problem any more
[09:19:50] <WickedWicky> never paniced
[09:19:51] <Bartman007> *bleat*
[09:20:01] <WickedWicky> one more day eh
[09:20:04] <Tempt> one
[09:20:05] <Tempt> more
[09:20:06] <Tempt> day
[09:20:25] <Tempt> I've rebuild two hosts, LU'd a host, filled in mountains of paperwork and traced a network fault today
[09:20:31] <Tempt> what happened to doing nothing for the last week?
[09:21:02] <WickedWicky> I thought the last week was suposed to let the person you hand over to do the work to see if he grasps what you explained him lately
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[09:21:19] <WickedWicky> that sentence isnt well constructed but you get what i mean
[09:21:23] <Tempt> I'm not handing over to anyone.
[09:21:26] <WickedWicky> LOL
[09:21:27] <WickedWicky> what?
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[09:21:35] <Tempt> They haven't got their shit together enough to even start interviewing
[09:21:36] <e^ipi> the last week is the week you spend by showing up at noon, leaving at 3, and being a little drunk the whole time
[09:21:43] <WickedWicky> you're kidding
[09:21:48] <Tempt> no idea
[09:22:16] <quasi> the usual thing - most places don't hire replacements till the month after
[09:22:17] <WickedWicky> they DO realise you are REALLY leaving right?
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[09:22:32] <Tempt> They do, apparently.
[09:22:47] <Tempt> They cancelled my farewell lunch tomorrow by scheduling meetings all over it
[09:22:54] <Tempt> So the vindictive spirit is there
[09:23:12] <quasi> WickedWicky: they're probably hoping that things will start magically fixing themselves and when they don't, they give up and try to hire the replacement
[09:23:26] <WickedWicky> cute
[09:23:29] <WickedWicky> but naive
[09:24:32] <Tempt> naah
[09:24:39] <Tempt> They want to get a grad in as a replacement
[09:24:40] <quasi> yet very typical when people are expensive
[09:24:41] <Tempt> cheaper, apparently.
[09:24:55] <Tempt> and of course, since they have a degree, they'll be even better than an experienced admin with no degree.
[09:25:00] <Tempt> I mean, that's obvious.
[09:25:16] <Tempt> I wasn't even charging this outfit that much.
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[09:27:18] <Tempt> Sep 25 17:07:41 eris genunix: [ID 723222 kern.notice] 000002a108af5560 unix:mutex_vector_enter+2e0 (1843be0, 0, 1843be0, 3000e062fc0, 0, 0)
[09:27:21] <Tempt> oh, the joy.
[09:28:19] <e^ipi> Tempt: any chance you can just fuck off to the pub and not worry about it for a couple hours?
[09:28:35] <e^ipi> what're they going to do, fire you?
[09:29:14] <WickedWicky> sounds like it's gonna be a long night
[09:29:34] <WickedWicky> write a bad reference
[09:29:43] <WickedWicky> oh wait, you're hired already
[09:29:54] <WickedWicky> send(tempt,pub);
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[09:31:28] <Tempt> I'm going to stablise the system and just send the crash dump and an explorer to Sun
[09:33:39] <quasi> Tempt: it doesn't look like a fun thing to debug
[09:33:56] <Tempt> Nope, it sounds like a job for ...
[09:33:58] <Tempt> SOMEONE ELSE.
[09:34:21] <Tempt> I think it was running trapstat that pushed it over the edge though
[09:34:44] <Tempt> ::cpuinfo says it was on-CPU at the time of the dump, and the system froze pretty much as soon as my fingers hit enter.
[09:35:57] <WickedWicky> that's no cool
[09:36:08] <Tempt> panic message: recursive mutex_enter, lp=1843be0 owner=3000e062fc0 thread=3000e062fc0
[09:36:11] <Tempt> ARGH
[09:36:19] <Tempt> I give up, I won't be baited, this is a Sun problem.
[09:36:41] <WickedWicky> hoorah for platinum contracts
[09:36:47] <WickedWicky> Sun, explorer, fetch!
[09:38:25] <Bartman007> is there an easy way to restall a package (grub) from the recovery shell on the SXCE install disc.
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[09:40:41] <WickedWicky> mount the cd and pkgadd SUNWgrub?
[09:41:57] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: doh! late nights and unfamiliar operating systems....
[09:41:57] <WickedWicky> mount /dev/dsk/whatever_cdrom_target /a/cdrom/cdrom0; chroot /a /usr/bin/bash
[09:41:58] <WickedWicky> then pkgadd
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[09:43:02] <WickedWicky> why would you want to reinstall grub though
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[09:43:23] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: I'm assuming it contains the stage1/2 that are needed.
[09:43:46] <WickedWicky> they do.. but you have to be a real bright bulb to have rm-ed them
[09:44:50] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: effectively the same thing, replaced them with the GNU grub versions.
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[09:45:22] <Bartman007> unless I misunderstand the process performed by the installgrub command.
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[09:46:42] <WickedWicky> are you sure it isnt  your config that's overwritten by some default thing?
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[09:48:06] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: no, I'm not 100% sure...  Upon boot, the hangs, displaying "GRUB" after the BIOS output
[09:49:05] <WickedWicky> that's not your config file then.. when your configfile is corrupt/non existant you get thrown in the grub bash shell
[09:49:21] <WickedWicky> so yeah.. prolly have to reinstall grub
[09:49:33] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: exactly...
[09:50:20] <WickedWicky> you ran the grub-install (hd0,0,a) stansa I presume
[09:50:39] <WickedWicky> or whatever your boot device is
[09:50:45] <Bartman007> installgrub you mean?
[09:50:52] <WickedWicky> that
[09:50:55] <Bartman007> or setup from within the grub-prompt.
[09:51:06] <WickedWicky> yea, root(bla,bla,bla) setup
[09:51:18] <WickedWicky> whatever
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[09:52:03] <WickedWicky> I am not even sure if you're suposed to do that with solaris or if you have to run some other fancy tool
[09:52:08] <Bartman007> WickedWicky: I've tried root(0,0,a) from within the GNU grub prompt from the recovery cd, and it complains about mismatched corrupted grub.
[09:52:34] <Bartman007> well, it complains when I run setup (hd0)
[09:53:14] <Bartman007> the sxce installer didn't leave the disk in a clean state AFAIK, I got the "Bad PBR Sig" error upon rebooting.
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[09:57:14] <Tempt> alright; host is stable and I'm outta here
[09:57:40] <WickedWicky> have a view!
[09:57:44] <WickedWicky> vew
[09:57:46] <WickedWicky> whatever
[09:57:47] <WickedWicky> some
[09:57:48] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:58:16] <asyd> \_o<
[09:58:21] <WickedWicky> few, I guess
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[09:58:48] <WickedWicky> quack quack asyd
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[10:00:26] <CIA-25> vb160487: 5061885 '[' and ']' commands should not pollute the kmdb/mdb command history
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[10:37:40] <timsf> morning all
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[12:48:55] <madhatter> Server down somewhere?
[12:49:19] <trochej> two stores down
[12:57:30] <cmihai> Captain Obvious to the rescue, here to deliver the 6'o'clock news...
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[13:18:46] <trygvis> how can raid-z not suffer from the write-hole? because of the transactional semantic?
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[13:31:32] <Doc> because it never overwrites data
[13:31:54] <Doc> if it looses power halfway through a write then the old copy still exists unaltered
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[13:46:25] <jamesd> i wonder if it would even notice that powered failed, if it writes the new meta data after the data, and power goes out before metadata upgrade, it might not even know.
[13:48:31] <trochej> I missed something, I think. qemu believes that I lack kqemu, which I have
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[14:13:24] <sponix> starting to think this wireless router runs windows
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[14:19:32] <Tempt> Which model?
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[14:28:02] <WickedWicky> haha, I just showed my zone running on my ultra5 to a system architect here
[14:28:05] <WickedWicky> he's in love with it
[14:32:01] <Berny> .oO(what background pic did you show him?)
[14:33:33] <trygvis> Doc: but then it also has to write the pointer to the block somewhere?
[14:33:42] <trygvis> then what happens if that write fails?
[14:34:57] <Berny> if that fails the reference is still to the old block
[14:35:01] <libkeiser> trygvis: you never overwrite anything in zfs, including metadata.  if the write of the new metadata block referencing that new data block failed, then that data block obviously wouldn't be referenced all the way down from an uberblock, so it wouldn't be used
[14:35:20] <Berny> just that some "free" block now holds data which are not referenced
[14:36:57] <trygvis> libkeiser: uh, *somewhere* something has to be overwritten to point to the new block
[14:37:22] <libkeiser> trygvis: uh, no, nothing has to be overwritten. the uberblocks are a ring buffer. you look for the latest consistent one
[14:37:49] <trygvis> aha, ok
[14:37:51] <libkeiser> to be more specific, there are several mirrored ring buffers at different virtual locations
[14:38:22] <trygvis> is that true for all kinds of meta data?
[14:38:33] <trygvis> I guess this is where the dittoblock come in?
[14:38:34] <Doc> yah.. on boot it checks all possible "tops" of the trees and looks for the latest one
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[14:39:01] <Doc> yes and no.  the concept of dittoblocks has been there all along for the uberblock and other metadata
[14:39:09] <Doc> just not for data
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[14:43:13] <gdamore> good morning *
[14:43:38] <renihs> its not morning nor good :)
[14:44:04] <ludovicp> Good afternoon :-)
[14:44:24] <timsf> Hey Garret - nice response to that opensolaris-summit post
[14:44:36] <gdamore> the one about ARC I take it. :-)
[14:44:42] <timsf> Yep, nicely done.
[14:44:48] <gdamore> tks.
[14:45:06] <gdamore> joergs whining about the same thing over and over is starting to grate on me. :-)
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[14:45:42] <Berny> hi gdamore
[14:45:51] <gdamore> btw, I still need to set up remote access on that SPARCLE for you.
[14:45:51] <Berny> how the sd driver going? ;-)
[14:46:10] <gdamore> its going.... i need another week or two before I'll have anything for folks to play with.
[14:46:26] <timsf> No worries, the nb-sparc folks are going slow, they've enough on their plate for now I think
[14:46:27] <gdamore> last week I was at IDF all week, so I got pretty much nothing else done.
[14:46:46] <timsf> (and last I talked to them Jan was suggesting he had an idea where he might be able to find a local one)
[14:46:50] <gdamore> i'll e-mail you details.  i'll have to set up access on a non-SWAN system.
[14:47:05] <gdamore> well, if you call Tadpole, I'm pretty sure they'd just loan you one.
[14:47:39] <timsf> It's not a huge deal for now, but thanks - if it comes to it, we'll get in touch with Tadpole
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[14:47:48] <Berny> gdamore: cool... no hurry
[14:47:50] <timsf> Sounds like there's another test cycle needed before this stuff is ready
[14:47:59] <gdamore> yeah, I think so.  I hope so soon though.
[14:48:14] <gdamore> I really, really want ZFS as the default filesystem, and I think nb-sparc is a gating item for that.
[14:48:38] <timsf> Yep, it is :-/
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[14:51:11] <kaiwai> anyone running SXDE 09/07?
[14:51:27] <gdamore> i have it on a system or two.
[14:51:47] <gdamore> although I am about to clobber it with s10u4 to facilitate some other testing.
[14:51:50] * jmcp catches up with Joerg's latest
[14:51:53] * jmcp groans
[14:51:53] <kaiwai> gdamore: any different to vanilla B70?
[14:51:59] <gdamore> yes.
[14:52:07] <gdamore> there are a few *fixes* that are good to have.
[14:52:08] <kaiwai> jmcp: cheer up - read Theo Raadt instead :)
[14:52:28] <gdamore> jmcp: read my response to joerg. :-)
[14:52:40] <jmcp> kaiwai: I've got a *lot* of respect for Theo, especially over the way he's been handling the recent licensing fuckups between OpenBSD and Linux
[14:52:41] <kaiwai> gdamore: running B73 + new ATA driver, and the power management works beatifully
[14:52:59] <gdamore> B73 has a lot of fixes that SXDE doesn't.
[14:53:19] <kaiwai> jmcp: I have my opinions on GPL but I keep them to myself worried a jihad maybe launched on my ass
[14:53:26] <gdamore> actually, some of the fixes that are in B73 were backported to SXDE...
[14:53:37] <jmcp> kaiwai: it's a sight more complicated that that
[14:53:48] <jmcp> kaiwai: I thought kiwis had more sheep than donkeys, anyway
[14:53:53] <Doc> backported to SXDE?
[14:54:00] <kaiwai> gdamore: I'm looking at B75, that'll be an awesome release
[14:54:14] * Doc points out again that Sol10 was B74L2a
[14:54:27] <gdamore> yes... SXDE is b70b... so fixes that were made in b71, b72, b73 may have been backported to b70b.
[14:54:35] <jmcp> Doc: which would be relevant if we had a darned release date
[14:54:36] <gdamore> its kinda goofy....
[14:54:51] <Doc> jmcp: that's sorta my point...
[14:54:51] <kaiwai> gdamore: hopefully all the BS will be gone once Indiana starts up
[14:55:13] <Doc> original schedule for SNV had a release around high 60's from memory (not that those early schedules mean jack)
[14:55:27] <gdamore> you're kidding right?  if anything it will just be more chickens running around without heads in release engineering... that's my prediction
[14:55:58] <kaiwai> gdamore: whats the alternative? Solaris 10 with limited hardware support and ugly desktop usability?
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[14:57:03] <kaiwai> anyway, back to jorg, what is he whinging on about?
[14:57:14] <Doc> jmcp: so how is the world when you're living in the 80's?
[14:57:38] <jmcp> kaiwai: what I read just now is a complaint that - essentially - fasttracks are designed to avoid discussion
[14:57:52] <jmcp> Doc: dunno, not there yet
[14:58:07] <kaiwai> jmcp: somethings need to be fast tracked
[14:58:14] <Doc> i thought qld was on 20 years behind the rest of the world?
[14:58:23] <gdamore> basically joerg is upset because the world didn't shift to accomodate his version of star.
[14:58:32] <kaiwai> if Jorg doesn't like it, why doesn't he create his own distribution with all his cool software he makes
[14:58:35] <jmcp> Doc: see this? this is the finger. screw you, hippy!
[14:58:48] <Doc> joerg is always upset
[14:58:51] <jmcp> gdamore: and because whoever was working on 2004/.... for its integration left the company
[14:58:52] <gdamore> kaiwai: what I'd really like is a real Solaris 11.
[14:58:56] <kaiwai> so he is the resident emo
[14:59:00] <jmcp> kaiwai: oh, like Schillix?
[14:59:08] <Doc> i suspect that the day he becomes happy the world will simply cease to exist
[14:59:13] <kaiwai> jmcp: is that his little paddling pool?
[14:59:31] <LeftWing> No, it's actually from somebody else with a name similar to Schillix.
[14:59:34] <Doc> Schillix was the first ever OpenSolaris-based distribution which was not binary compatible
[14:59:43] <LeftWing> Doc: And many moooore?
[15:00:35] <Doc> he didnt like one of the arguments to a system call, so he just changed them
[15:00:48] <LeftWing> haha
[15:00:49] <gdamore> you've got to wonder about anyone who feels a compelling need to put their own name into any piece of software they ever write....
[15:00:57] <kaiwai> lol
[15:00:59] <jmcp> gdamore: like linux?
[15:01:01] * jmcp hides
[15:01:04] <kaiwai> yeap
[15:01:08] <gdamore> no.  Linus didn't name it linux.
[15:01:09] <Cyrille> good one
[15:01:12] <Doc> and freebsd
[15:01:30] <jmcp> gdamore: what did he call it?
[15:01:33] <gdamore> one of his colleagues in finland called it that.... lemme go check history.
[15:01:38] <jmcp> ah
[15:01:53] <Doc> no, _he_ called it that
[15:01:56] <Doc> who suggested it isnt relevant
[15:02:19] <Cyrille> and his colleague was called Sunil Sdlavrot?
[15:03:03] <gdamore> heh.
[15:03:25] <gdamore> No, I'm trying to recall.... it was a friggin' long time ago that I last looked at it.
[15:05:47] <gdamore> anyway, it doesn't matter too much.  when he first started distributing linux, nobody (not even Linus) ever thought it would really go anywhere.
[15:06:08] * gdamore recalls the pre-history of Linux 0.97.... ;-)
[15:06:55] <kaiwai> hmm, then again, without linux there would be no opensolaris
[15:07:03] <gdamore> true.
[15:07:11] <Gekz[PDA]> how so
[15:07:17] <gdamore> but you can say that about BSD Unix as well.
[15:07:18] <LeftWing> I don't think you can say that with a certainty.
[15:07:21] <kaiwai> and sparc bigots would still be froathing at the mouth of 'bandwidth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[15:07:53] <Cyrille> "froathing"? Is that when one's foaming and frothing at the same time?
[15:07:56] <Cyrille> ;-)
[15:07:59] <LeftWing> I think you've got a bit of post hoc ergo propter hoc going on.
[15:08:09] <gdamore> i think Linux demonstrated to the world the commercial power of open source.  Sun would probably still be closed source without it.  (although occasional code drops for interoperatbility would be around)
[15:08:21] <Doc> if linux didnt exist, freebsd or hurd or something else would have taken it's place
[15:08:28] <LeftWing> Doc: Indeed.
[15:08:28] <gdamore> Doc: I dunno.
[15:08:41] <gdamore> certainly not hurd.
[15:08:56] <Gekz[PDA]> uh yeah
[15:08:57] <kaiwai> Cyrille: of course :) "Check out that shit INT score for that sparc CPU" to which the response is "BANDWIDTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" followed by slobbering, foaming and frothing
[15:09:01] <Gekz[PDA]> probably hurd
[15:09:11] <Gekz[PDA]> gnu needed a kernel
[15:09:21] <Gekz[PDA]> hurd would have picked up.
[15:09:26] <gdamore> and early *BSD's were such crap, combined with problems from the Joliett's and the BSD lawsuit fiasco... i doubt it would have picked up enough commercial steam
[15:09:47] <Doc> umm.. *BSD is probably used in more commercial products than linux
[15:10:09] <gdamore> *embedded* BSD.  and I still doubt even that.
[15:10:25] <gdamore> although *portions* of BSD (the networking stack) I'd believe
[15:10:42] <kaiwai> gdamore: IIRC alot of it has been replaced/re-written
[15:11:00] <gdamore> of course.
[15:11:21] <gdamore> i recall choosing linux instead of 386BSD because linux could coexist on a separate partition from windows....
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[15:11:50] <kaiwai> I chose linux initially because I was given a free cd
[15:12:00] <Doc> yes the world would have been different without linux, but imho, not overly different
[15:12:01] <gdamore> i still think that one difference was the "pivot point" that decided the Linux versus *BSD debate for the following 10 years.
[15:12:32] <Doc> lets all move over to #linux and have this same discussion :)
[15:12:54] <Cyrille> that should prove interesting...
[15:12:55] <gdamore> it made linux a lot friendlier to casual experimentation in the academic community much earlier.
[15:13:07] <kaiwai> Doc: true, but then again, without the necessary proding, Sun would have kept Solaris closed, SPARC bigots with their mouth frothing would have remained in control and Windows would be even more dominating
[15:13:08] <Gekz[PDA]> kaiwai: you chan0ged why?
[15:13:09] <gdamore> anyway, who cares about Linux anymore.   nobody runs it... :-)
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[15:13:24] <Doc> kaiwai: but like i said, something else would have taken its place
[15:13:29] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: I changed to FreeBSD in 4.x then to Mac then to Solaris
[15:13:38] <Doc> *bsd, Hurd, or something completely different
[15:13:39] <Gekz[PDA]> lol why
[15:13:44] <gdamore> Sun was doing limited forms of open source long before Linux existed.
[15:13:48] <Gekz[PDA]> dependency hate?
[15:14:15] <gdamore> but then it was to foster interoperability.  that has been a core Sun value much, much longer than giving source code away for free has been.
[15:14:29] <gdamore> Plan9! :-)
[15:14:30] <jmcp> agreed
[15:14:38] <kaiwai> gdamore: but it required prodding to open up more
[15:14:55] <kaiwai> realise that *SHOCK!* *HORROR* i86 is a viable platform
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[15:15:16] <gdamore> of course it did.  the idea that you could sell *service* on *free* software was a major thought revolution across the industry.
[15:15:37] <LeftWing> Well, it is a platform.
[15:16:02] <gdamore> the fact that i86 is viable is, IMO, due only to the *massive* amount of investment in it.  it is, IMO, still far inferior to other alternatives that exist and have had far less investment.
[15:16:19] <kaiwai> I would have used SPARC but the sparc laptops were expensive and the desktops/workstations are expensive
[15:16:28] <gdamore> we can thank the continued dominance of i86 to the Microsoft monopoly.
[15:16:59] <gdamore> I'm not even convinced that SPARC is the best architecture.... MIPS and ARM are both very viable.
[15:17:11] <Gekz[PDA]> how so?
[15:17:22] <Gekz[PDA]> MIPS has two endians.
[15:17:35] <gdamore> So do some SPARC variants.
[15:17:46] <gdamore> just almost nobody uses the little endian form.
[15:18:14] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: with all the outsourcing you could say that they have 2000 indians :P
[15:18:29] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:18:33] <gdamore> I've done a lot of work on both MIPS endians.  ;-)  I really like the MIPS platform.
[15:19:25] <gdamore> there exist 64-way MIPS cpus with clocks up near 2GHz today.  but the software support for them sucks, because nobody cares about MIPS anymore.  :-(  I wish I had time/energy/funding to do a Solaris/MIPS64 port.
[15:19:33] <kaiwai> MIPS unfortunately it riddled with patents for instance
[15:19:50] <gdamore> kaiwai: not really.  Only the floating point emulation is patented.
[15:20:17] <kaiwai> mind you, any platform other than i386 is doomed to failure due to the lack of Windows support
[15:20:24] <gdamore> and, pretty much all other architectures that ever shipped without a floating point unit use the same logic that was patented... but never mind.
[15:20:50] <timsf> Hey folks - I'm doing the usual monthly news roundup for tonight's IE-OSUG meeting - would anyone care to take a peek at http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/710338 and let me know if I'm missing anything noteworthy ?
[15:20:52] <gdamore> its not windows support... its the installed software base.  (applications)
[15:21:06] <gdamore> recall alpha had windows support, and it died horribly.
[15:21:12] <Gekz[PDA]> lol?
[15:21:13] <Gekz[PDA]> lol.
[15:21:35] <Tempt> argh - anyone know much about PHP here?
[15:21:44] * LeftWing recalls now why he always comes here -- it's kaiwai's ongoing and relentless analysis of computing.
[15:21:47] <Berny> hey Tempt
[15:21:56] * Berny knows enough about php to avoid it
[15:22:00] <Tempt> I've got php not able to send mail
[15:22:10] <Tempt> it doesn't appear to even call sendmail to push it out
[15:22:11] <Tempt> Suggestions?
[15:22:17] <tinman2k> should be able to use the mail() funct
[15:22:30] <Tempt> It never even makes it near the mail logs, let alone out the door
[15:22:34] <Tempt> yet the local MTA works fine.
[15:22:35] <tinman2k> if your smtp works on the sys
[15:22:37] <kaiwai> LeftWing: So sparc has been a great success - I'll have a look at the sales data
[15:23:04] <kaiwai> LeftWing: I guess you live in the same universe which the iranian president occupies
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[15:23:14] <tinman2k> tempt PM me
[15:23:23] <LeftWing> kaiwai: I'm not saying it's outselling x86, I'm just saying that they're still selling.
[15:23:31] <LeftWing> And that they won't shrivel and die just because they don't run Windows.
[15:23:50] <kaiwai> LeftWing: I was referring to becoming a dominant architecture
[15:24:10] <kaiwai> sure, pick a niche - its all good, but beyond that, you need MS on your team
[15:24:11] <Gekz[PDA]> noone wants an inflexible architecture
[15:24:18] <Gekz[PDA]> unless embedded.
[15:24:21] <LeftWing> So a hundred years from now we'll still be running Windows on Intel x86-derived processors?
[15:24:34] <Gekz[PDA]> ARM for instance is primarily embedded.
[15:24:37] <gdamore> LeftWing: probably. :-(
[15:24:44] <LeftWing> gdamore: Ssh, don't help me man. =P
[15:24:44] <kaiwai> I'd say so given how crappy the competition is
[15:24:58] <Gekz[PDA]> I've never seen ARM desktops
[15:25:10] <gdamore> Gekz: I have.
[15:25:11] <Tempt> Gekz[PDA]: corel netwinder. done. next.
[15:25:12] <Gekz[PDA]> also, Windows is transitioning to x6%
[15:25:17] <Gekz[PDA]> x64*
[15:25:17] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: RiscOS desktops :)
[15:25:18] <WickedWicky> and to think of it all this endianness comes from a book about small ppl not agreeing on which end of an cooked egg should be opened
[15:25:29] <Gekz[PDA]> I said *i've*
[15:25:35] <WickedWicky> (Gulliver)
[15:25:36] <gdamore> Tempt:  no, "NeXT" was mc68040. :-)
[15:25:38] <Gekz[PDA]> i'm too young >.>
[15:25:49] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: the acorn arm laptops were cool :)
[15:26:00] <kaiwai> how old are you Gekz[PDA]?
[15:26:03] <Gekz[PDA]> 15.
[15:26:08] <Gekz[PDA]> >.>
[15:26:09] <kaiwai> ah, well, I'm an old far
[15:26:10] <kaiwai> t
[15:26:16] <WickedWicky> too young for you kaiwai , down boy
[15:26:20] <Gekz[PDA]> also kiwi.
[15:26:27] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:26:42] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: hey, I've only got eyes for you :)
[15:26:44] <Gekz[PDA]> damn sodomists.
[15:27:00] <gdamore> anyway, the problem isn't that the competition to x86 is sucky, because its not.  its because nobody wants to change software, so Intel/AMD have a nearly continuous revenue stream to continue to invest in what should, by rights, be a dead architecture.
[15:27:03] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: awww
[15:27:15] <LeftWing> gdamore: Indeed.
[15:27:18] * kaiwai calls Gekz[PDA] a waaaaaaabulance
[15:27:27] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:27:37] <LeftWing> I'm fairly certain (still) that there's an M in that.
[15:27:42] <Tempt> tinman2k: /msg'd you; no response.
[15:27:49] <tinman2k> I can read it
[15:27:53] <tinman2k> I sent some back
[15:27:55] <Gekz[PDA]> gdamore: at least theyre moving towards 64bit
[15:27:58] <tinman2k> I don't know why it doesn't work
[15:28:15] <tinman2k> pm me your email addy. I can read your messages
[15:28:32] <libkeiser> gdamore: hear hear!
[15:28:35] <Tempt> tinman2k: You need to register with nickserv before you can send messages on freenode
[15:28:42] <kaiwai> Core 2 isn't too bad mind you, works nicely with solaris
[15:28:49] <tinman2k> Ahhhh, forgot about that. Hang on
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[15:29:17] <Gekz[PDA]> AMD X4 looks nice.
[15:29:20] <LeftWing> The Core 2 still contains the "Very Fast 8086" cruft, though.
[15:29:25] <Gekz[PDA]> quadcore.
[15:29:40] <Tempt> Aah, give me a nice big stack of UltraSPARC IV+ and I'll be happy.
[15:29:45] <Tempt> You can keep your fancy desktop processors.
[15:30:10] <kaiwai> too bad they're expensive
[15:30:18] <Tempt> Too bad for you.
[15:30:19] <Gekz[PDA]> and loud fans.
[15:30:34] <LeftWing> Gekz[PDA]: 1RU Opterons also have loud fans.
[15:30:45] <kaiwai> Tempt: not all of us have a cash tree siting in the back garden
[15:30:50] <Gekz[PDA]> Yeah and?
[15:30:55] <Tempt> 1RU Pentium-IIs have loud fans
[15:31:16] <LeftWing> Gekz[PDA]: The point is they all belong in the Datacentre. ;P
[15:31:17] <libkeiser> you want a relatively quiet machine room, buy big iron
[15:31:20] <Gekz[PDA]> My PIII has no fan.
[15:31:21] <kaiwai> my core 2 has a loud fan - me cheering at its performance :)
[15:31:47] <Gekz[PDA]> I want a silent laptop.
[15:31:57] <gdamore> 1RU anything with a real processor will have loud fans.  because the fan diameter has to be tiny.
[15:32:13] <gdamore> Get a Tadpole Comet (laptop sunray)... they are silent.
[15:32:19] <Gekz[PDA]> 108: Chuck Norris once ate an entire bottle of sleeping pills. They made him blink.
[15:32:19] <gdamore> no fans.  only tiny amounts of heat.
[15:32:48] <Gekz[PDA]> I need x86 :/
[15:33:07] <kaiwai> gdamore: the tadpole; I assume its a dumb terminal in laptop form
[15:33:08] <kaiwai> ?
[15:33:10] <Tempt> kaiwai: Some of us just went out and got jobs in the enterprise space and get to have big toys.
[15:33:17] <Gekz[PDA]> and that laptop probably couldnt emulate it
[15:33:24] <gdamore> not entirely dumb, but yeah, you can't load your own software on it.
[15:33:55] <LeftWing> Stateless but not dumb.
[15:33:58] <gdamore> and yeah, you wouldn't want to emulate x86 anyway... only 100MHz CPU.  its a thin client.
[15:34:27] <Gekz[PDA]> why would I want that?
[15:34:28] <kaiwai> gdamore: going to wait till Ultra 3's start appearing on ebay; there are no tadpoles on ebay at the moment
[15:34:50] <Tempt> I doubt there will be tadpoles on ebay
[15:34:56] <gdamore> every now and then a tadpole will show up on ebay.  it doesn't last long though.
[15:34:57] <Tempt> Tadpole owners aren't the sort to part with them
[15:35:32] <gdamore> and you won't see any US3 tadpoles on ebay.  almost all the buyers are government/DoD.  nobody else can afford 'em.
[15:35:51] <kaiwai> gdamore: True; I'd love to have one, just impossible to buy one :(
[15:36:47] <gdamore> there's an economy of scale.  If you knew what it cost to make one, you'd understand why they can't be had for less than 5 figures.
[15:38:40] <kaiwai> gdamore: true; I know that, it would be nice (and wishful thinking) for it to be cheaper
[15:39:53] <Tempt> kaiwai: Perhaps you should get that money tree. Or, perhaps, the alternative
[15:40:08] <kaiwai> whore myself at $100 per trick?
[15:40:30] <Tempt> GET A JOB IN THE INDUSTRY?
[15:40:35] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:40:39] <Gekz[PDA]> nz?
[15:40:44] <Gekz[PDA]> industry?
[15:40:47] <Gekz[PDA]> lol.
[15:41:13] <kaiwai> Tempt: in NZ? an IT job? in NZ?
[15:41:22] <kaiwai> the two don't go together
[15:41:26] <Tempt> Hey
[15:41:28] <Tempt> NZ has a telco
[15:41:31] <Gekz[PDA]> lolol
[15:41:34] <Tempt> There has to be at least one Solaris admin.
[15:41:42] <WickedWicky> 15:24 < kaiwai> WickedWicky: hey, I've only got eyes for you :)
[15:41:45] <WickedWicky> at least someone
[15:41:48] <WickedWicky> RE-SULT
[15:42:03] <kaiwai> most of the recruiting is done by those wankers - recruiting companies
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[15:42:56] <gdamore> I'm pretty sure there are even Solaris developers working for Sun in NZ.
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[15:43:15] <WickedWicky> if not you could be the first
[15:43:17] <WickedWicky> make milions
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[15:43:35] <Gekz[PDA]> LOL.
[15:43:39] <WickedWicky> surely there are sun boxes in NZ
[15:43:44] * LeftWing switches to an OS not developed by New Zealanders.
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[15:43:54] <Gekz[PDA]> NZ went bankrupt in the 80s did it not?
[15:44:01] <Tempt> I know recruiting companies
[15:44:05] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: almost went bankrupt
[15:44:12] <Tempt> they're the fscker that phone every week asking me to work somewhere shit
[15:44:22] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: thanks to rob moldoon with his 'think big' projects
[15:44:32] <Gekz[PDA]> we bought your airforce.
[15:45:00] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: where abouts are you?
[15:45:10] <kaiwai> Tempt: the recruiters in NZ are clueless
[15:45:10] <Gekz[PDA]> why -_-
[15:45:22] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: well, no one bought out air force
[15:45:28] <kaiwai> *our
[15:45:34] <LeftWing> kaiwai: To be fair, they aren't placing you in IT jobs. ;)
[15:45:40] <gdamore> heh.
[15:45:45] <Gekz[PDA]> didnt we take your fighters?
[15:45:54] <Tempt> LeftWing: Touche.
[15:45:57] <gdamore> kaiwai: maybe you should start your own recruiting firm.  good luck with that.
[15:45:59] <Gekz[PDA]> sold them back later.
[15:46:08] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: nope, haven't been sold yet, still sitting in the hangers
[15:46:41] <gdamore> NZ has fighters?  I didn't think there were enough sheep on the island to pay for an airforce.
[15:46:53] <kaiwai> LeftWing: hence the reason I'm not going into IT; my limited experience working in IT, its filled to the brim with dishonest assholes
[15:46:58] <Gekz[PDA]> owned.
[15:47:09] <Gekz[PDA]> wool is furry gold.
[15:47:13] <Tempt> haha
[15:47:18] <Tempt> its filled to the brim with dishonest assholes
[15:47:23] <Tempt> you mean people who don't like you.
[15:47:37] <WickedWicky> let's keep it friendly
[15:47:38] <Gekz[PDA]> Tempt: one in the same
[15:47:47] <kaiwai> gdamore: actually, it is true; to upgrade the fighter wing would have cost +$1billion and it couldn't be justified considering what we actually do in terms of 'international contributions'
[15:47:53] <kaiwai> basically, we're the orange boys
[15:48:13] <Doc> NZ? there's a bloody chick running the place, do you really think she'll be buying planes?
[15:48:17] <Gekz[PDA]> silence infidel whilst we invade.
[15:48:28] <kaiwai> Doc: it is true that she has a bias towards the army
[15:48:41] <Gekz[PDA]> it's Labor ffs.
[15:48:48] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: Protect the sheep!
[15:48:49] <Doc> that because she's as ugly as a tank?
[15:48:54] * kaiwai protects baaaaaaaaaruce
[15:48:58] <Gekz[PDA]> Fail something chronic
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[15:49:22] <Gekz[PDA]> shes 4 generations inbred
[15:49:28] <Gekz[PDA]> leave her alone.
[15:49:44] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: better than bush; there are no branches on his family tree
[15:49:54] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:50:14] <kaiwai> reminds me of the 'christian' group in the US who did a shot gut wedding between two cousins
[15:50:16] <Gekz[PDA]> hes a fucking monkey clone
[15:50:27] <kaiwai> *gun
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[15:52:11] <kaiwai> Gekz[PDA]: hey, atleast you can train a monkey
[15:52:24] <Gekz[PDA]> lol "OPEC"
[15:52:55] <Gekz[PDA]> did nz gain anything from apec >.>?
[15:53:27] <kaiwai> yeap
[15:53:32] <kaiwai> everyone likes NZ
[15:53:42] <Gekz[PDA]> so
[15:53:51] <Gekz[PDA]> what did you gain?
[15:53:52] <kaiwai> and americans think we're in the netherlands
[15:54:36] <WickySlacking> WHICH YOU ARENT!
[15:54:46] <WickySlacking> We have a province called Zeeland, that's about it!
[15:55:20] <kaiwai> WickySlacking: you should look at my blog, the number of morons who thought I was in the netherlands
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[15:56:40] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[15:56:46] <Tempt> Yes.
[15:56:52] <Tempt> Netherlands has no Kaiwai
[15:57:14] <kaiwai> awww :(
[15:57:21] <kaiwai> I'm sure there is a kaiwai in some form :)
[15:57:34] <kaiwai> the more you hate me, the more likely you'll have a son like me :)
[15:57:57] <WickySlacking> I eat kiwis
[15:58:00] <WickySlacking> in a non erotic way
[15:58:02] <lloy0077> Ok, I can see a person whose nick is "kawai" but was is "a kawai, (n)"?
[15:58:03] <Berny> don't quote morrissey...
[15:58:06] <Gekz[PDA]> I don't want a kiwi
[15:58:08] <Gekz[PDA]> nooo
[16:00:49] <kaiwai> awww
[16:01:13] <kaiwai> poverty and ignorance'
[16:01:16] <Gekz[PDA]> lol
[16:01:31] <kaiwai> 'combating poverty and ignorance' - shouldn't GWB start at home
[16:01:49] * kaiwai listening to GWB's UN speech
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[16:02:52] <kaiwai> is it normal for ones stomach to churn when listening to GWB?
[16:03:31] <libkeiser> yes
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[16:04:33] <kaiwai> hmm, could only happen in america
[16:04:56] <rvalles> 13:55:35 < WickySlac> in a non erotic way
[16:05:01] <rvalles> thanks for specifying
[16:05:15] <WickySlacking> you're welcome
[16:06:18] <kaiwai> awww, doesn't want to make me get jealous :P
[16:07:04] <WickySlacking> xceptions when the results after a full review of the kiwi are positive
[16:08:54] <WickySlacking> serious though
[16:09:05] <WickySlacking> how much RAM can I put in an ultra 5
[16:10:00] <nightswim> officially?
[16:10:02] <nightswim> or physically?
[16:10:07] <Gekz[PDA]> 6MB
[16:10:12] <nightswim> officially 512M
[16:10:13] <Tempt> about 200Gb
[16:10:15] <nightswim> but 1G will fit
[16:10:16] <Tempt> if you fill the case to the brim
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[16:10:22] <nightswim> that too
[16:10:25] <LeftWing> I don't think the sticks for the 1GB configuration fit if you still have some of the drive frame stuff in it.
[16:10:52] <nightswim> indeed
[16:11:00] <nightswim> you need to take that out or saw a bit off it
[16:11:05] <Tempt> take it out
[16:11:08] <Fish> hello
[16:11:17] <WickySlacking> would it fit if I put the motherboard in a Ultra 10 casing?
[16:11:22] <Tempt> yes.
[16:11:25] <WickySlacking>  since hte mainboard is the same
[16:11:25] <LeftWing> Mmm.
[16:11:36] <nightswim> yes
[16:11:42] <nightswim> that's the same mainboard
[16:11:43] <Gekz[PDA]> good night.
[16:11:48] <LeftWing> You'll be jipped out of an entire PCI slot, though if you don't have an U10 riser.
[16:11:57] <nightswim> but it's easier to take out the frame thingy
[16:12:37] <LeftWing> And Ultra 5 cases go better in a rack.
[16:12:45] <Tempt> or a dumpster
[16:12:49] <LeftWing> haha
[16:13:10] <WickySlacking> HEY NOW
[16:13:12] <Tempt> Somewhere I have some stats that show a SPARCstation 20 beating an Ultra-5 on a database test
[16:13:23] <WickySlacking> serious?
[16:13:27] <WickySlacking> pebbles ftw then
[16:13:30] <nightswim> scsi vs crappy ide
[16:13:33] <nightswim> I bet
[16:13:34] <Tempt> yep
[16:13:44] <Tempt> And the IDE was even crappier with the drivers from 2.6
[16:13:51] <Tempt> (or was it 7?)
[16:14:00] * LeftWing grumbles about apparent XGrabKey funk in Xsun.
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[16:17:20] <sparcdr> hi friends :)
[16:18:01] <Tempt> Hey all.
[16:18:04] <Tempt> and sparcdr
[16:18:05] <Tempt> and ...
[16:18:11] <Tempt> oh, brain is heading offline
[16:18:13] <Tempt> after midnight
[16:20:03] <elektronkind> ddi_taskq_suspend(&tempt_taskq);
[16:21:52] <sparcdr> :o
[16:22:04] <sparcdr> still having that issue with smf and csk http + ssl
[16:22:23] <sparcdr> maybe you have too many open ports Tempt
[16:22:46] <sparcdr> or too many context switches in your brain
[16:23:03] <sparcdr> if you think about it we have a 10 core brain
[16:23:23] <sparcdr> cmihai, you there?
[16:23:50] <cmihai> Yeah, but I'm busy. What's up?
[16:23:53] <sparcdr> aha!  finally got an error that would push me in the right direction, smf logs came up with nothing
[16:24:06] <sparcdr> do you remember that I was having issues with cskhttp and ssl?
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[16:24:16] <quasi> sparcdr: yes
[16:24:32] <sparcdr> i wasnt finding any useful info on why it was failing
[16:24:35] <sparcdr> but i got something from the console
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[16:24:57] <sparcdr> httpd[428]: pkcs11_softtoken: Keystore version failure.
[16:26:24] <quasi> is that on a t2k?
[16:26:33] <sparcdr> no
[16:26:45] <sparcdr> csk-http on x64 (Solaris GA U3)
[16:27:34] <quasi> hmm, then I'm surprised it tries to use the pkcs11 junk
[16:27:47] <sparcdr> i know about the crypto accelerator, but yeah
[16:28:04] <sparcdr> better yet, this is a vm, not a physical machine
[16:28:20] <sparcdr> it works from apachectl start
[16:28:23] <sparcdr> but not from smf
[16:28:31] <flyingparchment> why wouldn't it use kernel crypto?  T2000 isn't the only machine with crypto acceleration
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[16:28:44] <sparcdr> i used the manifest from the coolstack readme
[16:28:55] <sparcdr> it's x86_64 and not a sun box
[16:29:05] <quasi> flyingparchment: because hw acceleration isn't that common on stock x86
[16:29:24] <flyingparchment> quasi: no, but it has to try anyway in case the system does have it
[16:29:27] <quasi> (except via and that probably still lacks a driver)
[16:29:33] <sparcdr> this is about csk on x86_64 anyways, and it's related to smf, even though I've gone through the manifest and it's fine
[16:29:54] <sparcdr> it's a very basic manifest all it does is call apachectl, which im doing
[16:30:27] <quasi> sparcdr: perhaps because smf tries to start with -DSSL and you don't by calling apachectl directly
[16:30:30] <sparcdr> i know it drops permissions but ive played with permissions a bit and it wont change the outcome, transitions to maintainence
[16:30:45] <sparcdr> quasi, manifests dont show anything about -DSSL
[16:31:01] <sparcdr> it's the one linked from cookstack's page on a sun blog, just modified to the apache dirs
[16:31:05] <quasi> sparcdr: no? the stock httpd in sol10 does
[16:31:19] <sparcdr> it's not a stock it's an imported manifest
[16:31:36] <sparcdr> i can pastebin it again if you like
[16:32:01] * quasi really should be working instead
[16:32:11] <sparcdr> well it sounds trivial
[16:32:25] <sparcdr> maybe something with openssl version?
[16:32:37] <quasi> could well be
[16:32:48] <sparcdr> what should I do to find out what it's using
[16:32:50] <LeftWing> Apache 2+ doesn't even strictly care about -DSSL, does it?  I think that's a behaviour you can create in the configuration files...
[16:32:55] <sparcdr> no LeftWing
[16:33:07] <sparcdr> there seems to be an error in the included csk-http httpd-ssl.conf in extra/
[16:33:14] <quasi> LeftWing: correct - sun did
[16:33:27] <LeftWing> quasi: Ah, in the default httpd.conf stuff?
[16:33:33] <sparcdr> it's SSLCertificateKeyFile not SSLCertificateFile but both work from apachectl
[16:33:36] <quasi> LeftWing: and httpd used to back in 2.0.something
[16:33:39] <flyingparchment> the default apache config file (and the one sun ships) includes the <IfDefine SSL> stuff
[16:33:53] <sparcdr> remove the indefinite stuff?
[16:33:58] <sparcdr> *ifdefine
[16:33:59] <quasi> sparcdr: SSLCertificateFile could also contain the key
[16:34:05] <sparcdr> well yeah
[16:34:18] <quasi> sparcdr: that's perfectly valid
[16:34:25] <sparcdr> but that it where it was borking on smf, not on apachectl, apachectl works, and again, i checked the manifest it doesnt call anything
[16:34:57] <sparcdr> it's probably priviledges in the manifest
[16:35:00] <sparcdr> i see them in there
[16:35:13] <sparcdr>  privileges='basic,!proc_session,!proc_info,!file_link_any,net_privaddr
[16:35:39] <sparcdr> nothing else valuable in there, just dependency handling
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[16:36:56] <sparcdr> if you're busy dont bother with me
[16:37:47] <sparcdr> aha!
[16:37:50] <sparcdr> one sec i think i got it
[16:37:58] <sparcdr> well not got it but im trying something
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[16:39:10] <sparcdr> hmm nope
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[16:39:27] <sparcdr> saw that only root had +x on the dirs, changed it, still has keystore version error
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[16:39:58] <sparcdr> smf logs dont update in realtime for some reason in this case, but i do see it says the crt is empty, which it's not
[16:43:22] <sparcdr> fixed
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[16:44:14] <sparcdr> this is rich... one log wasn't owned by webservd and it threw out a pkcs11 version error
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[16:44:42] <sparcdr> just cleared it and re-enabled, svcs-vx now shows nothing and ps -ef shows the processes
[16:44:47] <sparcdr> solved it myself :/
[16:45:00] <sparcdr> well that's awesome then :)
[16:45:32] <tinman2k> Awesome
[16:45:33] <sparcdr> ssl works too :D
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[16:46:07] <sparcdr> okay now ill be idling if anyone needs me
[16:46:09] <quasi> you weren't checking timestamps in the logfiles?
[16:46:13] <quasi> ;)
[16:46:20] <sparcdr> i just woke up
[16:46:21] <sparcdr> :/
[16:46:39] <sparcdr> i did check timestamps on logs, that's why i said smf isnt giving me any good info, and it wasnt
[16:46:57] <sparcdr> just not on the logfiles in apache2/logs ;)
[16:47:16] <sparcdr> now that it works, hella fast
[16:47:51] <sparcdr> i have to work on my SDX install now (On my Thinkpad) got a few new bits to play around with yay
[16:52:30] <peemus> anyone know of some good documentation for compiling php on solaris express
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[16:53:38] <nightswim> ./configure --help ?
[16:53:42] <sparcdr> it's not that hard dude
[16:54:18] <elektronkind> peemus: it's exactly the same as you would on linux
[16:54:29] <sparcdr> build apache, install it, install mysql if you need it (For linking php against), then use --prefix=/desired/path --with-apxs2=/path/to/apxs --opts
[16:54:35] <elektronkind> given that you also have supporting libraries available, too
[16:54:44] <elektronkind> lib<whatever>
[16:54:45] <sparcdr> i have docs written somewhere peemus
[16:54:49] <sparcdr> give me a bit ill find them
[16:55:10] <peemus> thanks guys
[16:55:19] <sparcdr> only here to help ;)
[16:55:28] <sparcdr> but yeah im a bit busy
[16:55:31] <peemus> my biggest question is whether or not I need to compile mysql & apache or if I can use the bundled version
[16:55:42] <sparcdr> you should try coolstack
[16:55:55] <sparcdr> it's at minimal a tad faster than either included version
[16:56:05] <peemus> i have... : ( unfortunately it doesn't have the compile options I need in php
[16:56:06] <sparcdr> and it doesnt need compiling
[16:56:09] <sparcdr> ah
[16:56:17] <sparcdr> you could use csk-http and roll your own php
[16:56:25] <sparcdr> php is just an apache module afterall
[16:56:29] <peemus> right
[16:56:44] <sparcdr> you want it all from vanilla sources?
[16:56:48] <sparcdr> cause that's what my docs have
[16:57:20] <peemus> not necessarily, but will take that
[16:57:57] <peemus> in the past i've just run into problems with different packages built with different compilers (I think)
[16:58:04] <sparcdr> you can ignore my steps about apache and try csk-http and just tell php to use csk-http's apxs
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[16:58:18] <sparcdr> peemus, it's built with gcc
[16:58:35] <sparcdr> but no, if the abi's match and the arch is both the same it generally works
[16:58:40] <peemus> the gcc bundled with solaris express or a diff version?
[16:58:54] <sparcdr> doesnt matter, solaris is one of the most backwards/forward compatible systems
[16:59:00] <sparcdr> and it was tested on solaris express (coolstack)
[16:59:02] <peemus> ah
[16:59:15] <sparcdr> depends what version you're on though
[16:59:20] <peemus> b72
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[16:59:23] <sparcdr> what build of SDX?
[16:59:25] <sparcdr> ok
[16:59:27] <sparcdr> not tested
[16:59:36] <sparcdr> they say you need to use pkgstream to convert it, then it'll work
[16:59:44] <sparcdr> check their site, there's info on that
[16:59:57] <peemus> the coolstack site?
[17:00:03] <sparcdr> but anyways after i finish this fwiw ill link you to my docs
[17:00:05] <sparcdr> yes peemus
[17:00:14] <peemus> awesome, thanks
[17:00:15] <sparcdr> build xyz and higher need to use pkgstream
[17:00:23] <sparcdr> if it fails to install from pkg that is
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[17:22:03] <flyingparchment> so i'm using directory server, and i want to add a posixAccount.  the only way i've found to do this is to create an inetOrgPerson, then edit the entry text and paste in the posixAccount and shadowAccount definitions.  am i missing a better way?
[17:25:44] <sparcdr-away> not that I am aware of
[17:26:58] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: Scripting around ldapmodify and parameterised LDIF files is probably less gruelling.
[17:27:20] <flyingparchment> yes.  actually someone mentioned an 'ldapuseradd' here the other day, maybe i should look at that
[17:30:57] <flyingparchment> the docs mention a program called "directory editor" but it seems rather elusive
[17:31:30] <LeftWing> Directory Editor is (at least, presently) a web application you can deploy into a Java app server container.
[17:31:42] <flyingparchment> yeah, that's what i assumed.  but where it is? :)
[17:31:55] <LeftWing> I... seem to remember it being a separate download.
[17:32:07] <flyingparchment> (i already use web server, so if the editor is any good, that'd be useful..)
[17:32:12] <LeftWing> But then I only ever deployed it once, just to see if it was going to be useful.
[17:32:16] <PerterB> nah, it's part of dsee 6.x I thought
[17:32:18] <flyingparchment> was it?
[17:32:32] <PerterB> still easier to write a few lines of dodgy perl to generate the LDIF
[17:32:33] <LeftWing> PerterB: I'm sure I've deployed it against DS5.2 before, it may have since been integrated.
[17:32:41] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: LDIFs were more useful to me.
[17:32:58] <flyingparchment> ah, found a download page for it, that'll do.
[17:33:04] <flyingparchment> LeftWing: i'm lazy and dislike ldif :)
[17:33:06] <sparcdr-away> hmm
[17:33:24] <PerterB> oh, talking of dodgy perl, have a look at padl's migration tools which will generate ldif from your existing passwd file
[17:33:30] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: Well, I prefer to script (if possible) or type (failing that) rather than click through GUIs.
[17:34:12] <LeftWing> PerterB: I have to wonder how many people to /etc/passwd -> LDAP migrations with scripts like that, even just as a starting point.
[17:34:18] <LeftWing> *do
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[17:35:14] <LeftWing> I would imagine if you have enough accounts for a migration script to be worthwhile you're probably also going to want some other infrastructure for identity provisioning.
[17:35:14] <sparcdr-away> comeon clicky clicky is shiny ^_^
[17:35:16] <ludovicp> flyingparchment: Directory Editor is part of Sun Directory Server Enterprise Edition 6.
[17:35:29] <flyingparchment> ludovicp: how do i deploy / access it?
[17:35:43] * sparcdr-away drools rabidly at dumb-esc guis
[17:35:55] <ludovicp> http://www.sun.com/software/products/directory_srvr_ee/get1.jsp
[17:36:00] * sparcdr-away glares at #opensolaris like a zombie
[17:36:12] <flyingparchment> ludovicp: i already have directory server
[17:36:24] <sparcdr-away> ludovicp, ah... i was using straight ldap.
[17:36:25] <ludovicp> DE is part of the DSEE license.
[17:36:33] <sparcdr-away> DE?
[17:36:43] <ludovicp> Directory Editor, sorry.
[17:36:49] <sparcdr-away> oh gotcha
[17:36:56] <sparcdr-away> what's the license?  is it free to use?
[17:37:09] <LeftWing> sparcdr-away: For directories of under 200000 objects or something, yes.
[17:37:15] <sparcdr-away> that's be me
[17:37:18] <sparcdr-away> :)
[17:37:19] <LeftWing> Indeed.
[17:37:36] <PerterB> LeftWing: I used the padl stuff for a prood of concept trial, and that's about it... I suspect it's fine in small-ish environments where ldap becomes the master identity repository
[17:38:11] <ludovicp> The 200 000 user entries license for Solaris is for the Directory Server only, afaik.
[17:38:12] <LeftWing> PerterB: I suppose there's probably a sweet spot somewhere between 10 users and 200.
[17:38:21] <sparcdr-away> 200000 is a lot imho.  i mean seriously, i have 10 users synchronized in my test environment with multiple group association and a lot of extra info on my LDAP, and it's probably 3000 objects total
[17:38:44] <PerterB> if you want a simpler GUI, look at http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap/ - you can create templates for adding various classes
[17:38:51] <sparcdr-away> should probably try it out but have been busy testing bits on SDX
[17:39:13] <ludovicp> Or you might want to give a look at the Apache Directory Studio.
[17:39:20] <LeftWing> ludovicp: I dunno, there's a whole bunch of talk about it being Free on the website.  I've not read much further than that. ;)
[17:39:24] <sparcdr-away> is that for regular ldap?
[17:39:36] <sparcdr-away> (Apache DS)
[17:39:49] <quasi> sparcdr-away: all Apache-* is free
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[17:39:56] <sparcdr> well I know that
[17:39:56] <LeftWing> sparcdr-away: LDAP is a protocol, not a specific implementation of a Directory Server.
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[17:40:16] <sparcdr> yeah should have clarified what I am using
[17:40:20] <LeftWing> Oh sigh, it's an Eclipse application.
[17:40:20] <ludovicp> http://directory.apache.org/studio/download/download.cgi/directory/studio/stable/1.0.1
[17:40:24] <sparcdr> sigh
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[17:40:28] <ludovicp> Eclipse based though.
[17:40:29] <sparcdr> not a fan of eclipse myself
[17:40:34] <LeftWing> Indeed.
[17:40:41] <FBdev> hi everybody. I got a SunCluster problem that I'm trying to solve, but in the meanwhile I have to recover data from a disk array A5200. I made a metaset, but I can not recover it if not in cluster mode, I got mdmonitor error(metadevadm -r fails) any ideas on recovering the data?
[17:40:45] <sparcdr> makes me cry
[17:41:00] <sparcdr> blah need to finish writing this document
[17:41:03] <ludovicp> LeftWing: DSEE is free of charge for download and use.
[17:41:06] <sparcdr> but #opensolaris is awesome
[17:41:07] <LeftWing> FBdev: Yes, pay for support.
[17:41:14] <LeftWing> ludovicp: Yarrr'!
[17:41:28] <ludovicp> but if you want support or indemnification, you must have a valid license.
[17:41:28] <sparcdr> pay for support!?  Never.  Yarr tis be booty for free of cost below deck!
[17:41:31] <FBdev> LeftWing sorry can not aford it
[17:41:39] <sparcdr> indemnification is overrated
[17:41:51] <sparcdr> there's no reason for it if you have under 200 users
[17:42:07] <FBdev> LeftWing pretty RightWing?
[17:42:10] <sparcdr> support for sun studio is absolute rape
[17:42:20] <RElling> FBdev: sounds like the disks are reserved
[17:42:21] <LeftWing> Oh no, another original gag about my nickname.
[17:42:24] <sparcdr> i just sift through bug reports and mailinglists
[17:42:35] <sparcdr> LeftWing, gag?  oh... haha
[17:42:42] <sparcdr> liberal!
[17:42:43] <sparcdr> :D
[17:42:56] <sparcdr> meh yeah brb
[17:43:10] <FBdev> LeftWing no that was not a gag but a complain of your money oriented chat
[17:43:26] <sparcdr> well he's right about the price, let's speak technical and not political
[17:43:36] <LeftWing> FBdev: I'm serious, though, if you're using something as complicated as Sun/Solaris Cluster and you have Sun hardware, you ought to have support.
[17:43:51] <sparcdr> if you have a 10k user base then I'd pay for it, but yeah that's cost prohibitive
[17:43:52] <FBdev> LeftWing I'd love to
[17:44:06] <sparcdr> i have sun hardware coming on the 27th :D
[17:44:24] <sparcdr> makes me hot and nasty thinking about the ultra-20 i bought
[17:45:08] <elektronkind> hah. CAM auto-opened a ticket on one of my 6140s and the sun tech assigned to it is named "Edward Norton"
[17:45:17] <sparcdr> elektronkind, haha
[17:45:20] <elektronkind> I am jack's misbehaving RAID array
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[17:45:30] <LeftWing> haha
[17:45:39] <elektronkind> no talking about fibre club
[17:46:20] <sparcdr> which reminds me of Full Metal Jacket for some reason.  "5'9" I didn't think they stacked sh*t that high"
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[17:50:03] <shark> hi! I have solaris express 09/07 and geforce 7300gt. I see green lines after graphic installer start. All is ok in older solaris express.Any ideas?
[17:50:41] <sparcdr> shark, which express?
[17:50:42] <shark> I cat to install in console, but i want to see new graphic installer:)
[17:50:55] <sparcdr> shark, community I'd assume
[17:51:00] <shark> 09/07, developer
[17:51:03] <sparcdr> ah
[17:51:17] <sparcdr> no I haven't had that issue
[17:51:41] <shark> hm... it's very strange.
[17:52:37] <sparcdr> but I can recommend http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/discussions/ and http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/discussions/
[17:53:07] <shark> thnx, i'll see.
[17:53:11] <sparcdr> it's related to X11 and device drivers, specifically the built-in 'nv' driver, you may want to ask them
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[17:53:50] <RElling> you might need to get the latest 100* driver from NVidia
[17:53:59] <shark> i read that nv replaced gfx driver from nvidia in 09/07
[17:54:21] <sparcdr> I doubt that
[17:54:27] <sparcdr> NVIDIA's driver isn't open-source
[17:54:30] <RElling> not in b72...
[17:54:35] <sparcdr> the generic X11 driver has always been used
[17:54:48] <sparcdr> he cant RElling
[17:54:53] <sparcdr> it's the installer
[17:55:00] <shark> yep
[17:55:07] <peemus> LeftWing: your nickname couldn't get more gags than mine...
[17:55:27] <RElling> hmmm... no, NVidia's driver is distributed in SXDE, but there are two versions: one for older hardware and one for newer hardware :-(
[17:55:32] <sparcdr> my nickname is sound.  except when sun employees can't spell it which happens a lot
[17:55:34] <LeftWing> peemus: I suppose not.
[17:55:41] <shark> hm.. you are right about open-source:)
[17:55:55] <sparcdr> RElling, i doubt that it is used for the installer
[17:56:21] <shark> it's not older or newer hardware
[17:56:29] <shark> it's geforce 7300gt
[17:56:39] <RElling> for the installer, it should default to NVidia's or nv, which isolates the problem to need new driver
[17:57:05] <sparcdr> it must do probing for the card in the first place.  it's a live system too, so it's more technical to get drivers loaded in memory from bootable media.  not saying it isn't technically done, there are a few livecds that use nvidia's drivers (Looking glass)
[17:57:14] <shark> yes, I hadn't any problems in older express releases
[17:57:16] <sparcdr> RElling, keyword should, it's a bug whatever it is
[17:57:39] <sparcdr> shark, that's not per se newer hardware, it's the lowest common denominator current nvidia card.
[17:57:50] <RElling> definitely a bug, but after you finish installation, you might need to install the latest from NVidia
[17:57:54] <sparcdr> so it should have less issues
[17:58:03] <sparcdr> but obviously :D it's borking
[17:58:11] <sparcdr> shark wants to try out caiman
[17:58:12] <sparcdr> :)
[17:58:26] <shark> :)
[17:58:29] <shark> yep)
[17:58:48] <sparcdr> shark, must wait a while unfortunately, submit a bug report.
[17:59:06] <sparcdr> first subscribe to those dicussions I linked and tell them the problem
[17:59:30] <shark> yes, i'll tell
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[18:00:14] <flyingparchment> i like how directory editor has a java installation wizard to install a single file...
[18:00:25] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: Haha.
[18:00:29] <sparcdr> xD
[18:00:36] <sparcdr> awesome :DDD
[18:00:43] <flyingparchment> and an uninstall wizard in case 'rm' is too complicated
[18:00:44] <sparcdr> i LOVE wasting CPU!
[18:00:56] <peemus> lol
[18:01:38] <sparcdr> I sense sarcasm, my cynicism meter is going off
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[18:02:37] <flyingparchment> it actually does include an uninstall wizard. but i'm not really sure why.
[18:02:40] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, of course it's complicated, it's much easier to burn through 20x more cpu to do less with more!
[18:03:00] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: I would imagine some sort of standard packaging guidelines are at play.
[18:03:07] <timsf> stupid X question: is there an easy way to allow root to write to :0 when a user owns the display ?
[18:03:24] <timsf>  I'm hacking around with getting the X user, and su'ing to them, but there has to be a better way...
[18:03:25] <flyingparchment> timsf: you could steal the user's xauth cookie from his home directory
[18:03:33] <RElling> or su
[18:03:36] <LeftWing> timsf: XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority perhaps?
[18:03:49] <sparcdr> dangle a cookie in front of X11 and tell him it's food
[18:04:04] <timsf> That might be what I'm after, thanks guys - still involves me looking up the X user of course.. but thanks
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[18:04:39] <timsf> (wish we had a wrapper script that ran X - I'll need to check for Xorg and Xsun)
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[18:04:45] * sparcdr is a complicated package, refrain from running strings on sparcdr or you'll cause a kernel panic!
[18:04:49] <timsf> Damn GUIs.
[18:04:52] <flyingparchment> timsf: what are you doing?
[18:05:02] <sparcdr> timsf, but they're SHINY :D
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[18:05:07] <timsf> I've an SMF service that I want to be able to do gui notifications with
[18:05:31] <sparcdr> now that's a good idea timsf
[18:05:36] <flyingparchment> timsf: maybe run a program as the user in his X session (in the systray or something) and use a pipe?
[18:05:41] <flyingparchment> then it can work for remote users, too..
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[18:05:54] <LeftWing> That would, perhaps, be more architecturally sound.
[18:06:03] <richlowe> timsf: which SMF service?
[18:06:13] <timsf> It's using the zenity --notification option at the moment, and the mechanics of the service pretty much require you to be local
[18:06:26] <timsf>  - it's that zfs usb automagical backup thingy...
[18:06:45] <timsf> plug a usb disk into your machine, and any filesystems with a given property get backed up.
[18:06:56] <sparcdr> I like that
[18:06:59] <richlowe> timsf: then I agree with flyingparchment, separate the service from the UI.
[18:07:29] <flyingparchment> hmm, directory editor won't deloy on web server.  "Parse error in application web.xml"
[18:07:39] * timsf thinks
[18:07:46] <LeftWing> Stick a 'client' to start in /usr/dt/config/Xsession.d/ and use pipes or something.
[18:08:25] <LeftWing> Even if the client is just a script that loops around trying to open the pipe fire off zenity with the input (with some sanity checking).
[18:08:29] <timsf> zenity --notification --listen already sets up a listener for stdin,
[18:08:34] <timsf> so perhaps that'd do it.
[18:08:51] <timsf> Except that I'd need to su to the user running X in the first place in order to start that, goto 0.
[18:09:12] <LeftWing> Start it from a script in Xsession.d
[18:09:30] <timsf> I'd much rather limit the places I'm screwing with the system though (and not leave processes hanging around for no good reason)
[18:09:38] <timsf> I'll keep thinking about it.
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[18:10:40] <timsf> 'course all this would die a flaming death when run from a SunRay I'm guessing :-(
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[18:12:09] <RElling> how does the printer-thingy do it?
[18:12:22] <timsf> Which printer thingy ?
[18:12:48] <RElling> plug in a USB printer and a screen pops up to configure the printer... kinda sweet, actually
[18:13:15] <richlowe> RElling: the printer thingy does what flyingparchment said, pretty much
[18:13:22] <richlowe> ospm-applet (misnomer) is always running
[18:13:27] <richlowe> hal tells it when the printer appears
[18:13:34] <timsf> Aah.
[18:13:50] <timsf> Yeah - I've got the same sort of stuff happening, just that my hal watcher is looking for named usb devices,
[18:14:12] <timsf> which then starts off a script to do zfs sends.. All working now except the gui bit
[18:14:19] <timsf> (which works fine if you're root ;-)
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[18:17:10] <sparcdr> ^_^
[18:17:39] <sparcdr> timsf, good work. ill try it out soon
[18:20:02] <timsf> Yeah, if I can get this last bit nailed, I'll be able to publish
[18:25:31] <flyingparchment> hmm, when directory editor fails to deploy it also breaks all my other web apps.  awesome
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[18:34:08] <Shiv__> Can someone let me know the SFW svn/hg path.
[18:34:29] <Shiv__> The SFW project pages do not make any mention of this.
[18:34:37] <stevel> /usr/bin/hg
[18:34:42] <stevel> and /usr/bin/svn
[18:35:01] <Shiv__> Hey, I am asking for the SFW consolidation's source path for download
[18:35:04] <LeftWing> I imagine he means the repo path?
[18:35:09] <stevel> ahh
[18:35:11] <LeftWing> (path/URI)
[18:35:12] <Shiv__> Yes.
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[18:35:24] <stevel> SFW doesn't have a Hg repo yet
[18:35:47] <stevel> there are source deliveries here: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/sfw/downloads/
[18:35:58] <stevel> but those are just tarballs with no source history
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[18:36:17] <Shiv__> I have these. I had to submit a webrev. It seems webrev needs hg or svn.
[18:36:50] <Shiv__> Cant work with files on the system (no way of me telling pick these files and create diffs)
[18:37:00] <stevel> you can pass it an active list of files
[18:37:31] <stevel> see webrev(1)
[18:37:46] <stevel> reference section "FILE LIST"
[18:37:54] <richlowe> stevel: it still needs the SCM
[18:38:05] <richlowe> actually, no, it shouldn't
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[18:38:13] <richlowe> you need to pass a wx-style file list specifying both parent and child.
[18:38:15] <stevel> IT SHOULDN'T
[18:38:18] <stevel> uh
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[18:38:23] * stevel didn't mean to yell
[18:38:24] <richlowe> stevel: tetchy, much?
[18:38:27] <richlowe> stevel: sure, sure.
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[18:38:39] <stevel> ;-)
[18:38:43] <richlowe> asshole. :)
[18:38:48] <stevel> punk. :-)
[18:39:23] <stevel> #opensolaris: can you feel the love.. ?
[18:39:24] <stevel> :-P
[18:39:48] <flyingparchment> omg op abuse :/
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[18:40:32] <stevel> no no. op abuse is when the op is abusing his powers indiscriminately
[18:40:35] <stevel> richlowe *totally* deserved it
[18:41:35] <sparcdr> o.o
[18:41:49] <sparcdr> nutcases
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[18:44:39] <Shiv__> It shouldn't (need repos) but it does enforce.
[18:45:05] <richlowe> stevel: did you break it, perhaps?
[18:45:06] <Shiv__> Tried the "webrev file.list" option
[18:45:55] <Shiv__> My onbld tools is from B72
[18:46:10] <g4lt-sb100> and they say WE'RE pricks in #solaris ;P
[18:46:46] <LeftWing> They suuure do! ;P
[18:47:18] <stevel> richlowe: possibly
[18:47:19] <stevel> ?
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[18:51:09] <richlowe> stevel: looks that way
[18:51:27] <stevel> bugger
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[18:52:11] <sparcdr> hi alanc
[18:52:18] <gdamore> so what's the scoop on SXCE 73?  i know i can d/l it internally at Sun, but I like using SDLC to make sure I get identical bits to customers....
[18:52:32] <richlowe> gdamore: get it from inside.
[18:52:41] <sparcdr> gdamore, or wait
[18:52:42] <richlowe> gdamore: if they differ, it's a bug.
[18:52:54] <sparcdr> yeah
[18:52:57] <gdamore> richlowe: if its not released yet, it can differ.
[18:53:00] <sparcdr> i cant get it internall :)
[18:53:03] <gdamore> i.e. they can respin.
[18:53:04] <sparcdr> *internally
[18:53:14] <stevel> gdamore: if it's published to nana.eng, it won't be respun
[18:53:14] <alanc> then get the respin internally
[18:53:18] <richlowe> gdamore: if they respin, you'll have the re-spin around inside too
[18:53:23] <stevel> they might respin a *new* build, e.g.: 70b vs. 70a
[18:53:36] <gdamore> stevel: is that a hard and fast rule?  the bits on nana are always "official" ?
[18:53:39] <alanc> or just wait until tomorrow and get 74
[18:53:44] <richlowe> I'm not advocating pulling the bits from install.eng here...
[18:53:47] <sparcdr> still on snv b64a myself, just with new bits from b73
[18:53:56] <stevel> gdamore: i believe so
[18:54:00] <alanc> (tomorrow internally)
[18:54:07] <gdamore> hmm... that eases my complaints somewhat.
[18:54:14] <alanc> besides, it's cheaper for Sun for you to download internally than externally
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[18:54:38] <sparcdr> alanc, see the bug a user here was reporting with geforce 7300 gt?  he said there were odd lines on X startup from the dvd installer
[18:54:45] <gdamore> i really should be testing with b74... there were merges in my test code for bfu with xVM in b74.
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[18:55:05] <sparcdr> cool @ xVM.  How far is it??
[18:55:17] <g4lt-sb100> alanc, then convince them to give me a host inside to download to ;P
[18:55:18] <alanc> sparcdr: doesn't sound familiar, but I'd just pass that on to the guys that work with nividia
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[18:55:25] * g4lt-sb100 is always willing to help
[18:55:34] <sparcdr> alanc, i heard the latest sdx uses nvidia drivers, so yeah
[18:55:50] <sparcdr> i said check mailing lists for x_win and device_drivers and report a bug
[18:56:21] <sparcdr> mind explaining to me what xrandr changes are?
[18:56:32] <sparcdr> you said that was the big thing between 64a and b73
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[18:58:06] <alanc> sparcdr: nvidia's accelerated drivers are bundled since about b58 - they're the "legacy" versions at the moment, not the latest, but we're working through the process to update that
[18:58:37] <alanc> the xrandr changes between 64 & 73 are xrandr-1.2, which adds multi-screen support, monitor hotplugging, and similar features
[18:58:39] <sparcdr> okay, thanks
[18:58:48] <sparcdr> great to hear
[18:58:54] <flyingparchment> alanc: will the update mean older cards are no longer supported?
[18:59:00] <flyingparchment> (like my GF2)
[18:59:02] <sparcdr> My ultra-20 will be using dual monitors is al
[18:59:03] <alanc> yes, which is why it's taking extra process
[18:59:05] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, wrong
[18:59:13] <sparcdr> download the legacy nvidia drivers from their website
[18:59:26] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: yes, i'm talking about the ones shipped with solaris though
[18:59:28] <kaiwai> just out of curiosity; if Solaris doesn't support, if I load windows on in a xen session, can it be supported through windows?
[18:59:29] <sparcdr> oh
[18:59:33] <sparcdr> yeah alanc would know
[18:59:45] <kaiwai> *hardware I mean
[18:59:51] <sparcdr> kaiwai, you mean multi-monitors?
[18:59:55] <alanc> you're both right - the bundled drivers will stop supporting old cards, users with those download the legacy drivers and run like they're used to
[19:00:00] <kaiwai> na, a webcam
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[19:00:08] <sparcdr> less than likely
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[19:00:27] <kaiwai> got an hp webcam, waiting back from Sun what the cost of developing support for it will be
[19:00:43] <sparcdr> kaiwai, right now don't count on it
[19:00:50] <kaiwai> :(
[19:00:58] <sparcdr> xen usb support is not an initial consideration
[19:01:33] <g4lt-sb100> sparcdr, on the contrary, kaiwai just mentioned the one thing that can make ANYTHING possible at sun: $$$$
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[19:02:24] <kaiwai> g4lt-sb100: I'm happy to pay for the support, but they're working out the legal considerations from what I understand
[19:02:50] <sparcdr> g4lt-sb100, we're talking about a single driver.  a common source base that worked with several cameras, with ability to load a hal module would make the cost worth it
[19:03:50] <stevel> i'm not sure it's worth the investment from Sun if newer cameras all support the usbvc spec
[19:04:05] <sparcdr> stevel, not all do
[19:04:23] <stevel> sparcdr: understood, but it will hopefully be the long term case that they do
[19:04:25] <kaiwai> stevel: this webcam is a built in one that comes with all HP laptops by default
[19:04:27] <sparcdr> again, ability to load some sort of proprietary firmware would be needed for broad support
[19:04:35] <kaiwai> thats thousands if not hundreds of thousands
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[19:07:14] <sparcdr> testing latest binary build of jds atm :)
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[19:08:56] <kaiwai> sparcdr: b74
[19:09:00] <kaiwai> ?
[19:09:04] <sparcdr> yeah
[19:09:13] <kaiwai> hmm, hopefully B75 will be soon
[19:09:23] <sparcdr> you test b74 already?
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[19:09:33] <flyingparchment> is there a way to make directory server use kerberos passwords instead of ldap passwords for binding?
[19:09:40] <flyingparchment> (so my users don't need two separate passwords)
[19:10:31] <alanc> JDS b75 announcement went out internally about an hour ago - not sure how long it takes to push the bits from ireland to the Sun download center in the US
[19:11:05] <sparcdr> I'd say it'll be out on the 27th
[19:11:19] <alanc> has GNOME 2.20 & Firefox 2.0.06 it looks like
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[19:11:35] <sparcdr> alanc, great
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[19:15:01] <kaiwai> lanac: cool
[19:15:30] <kaiwai> *alanc: will the Xserver get a freetype upgrade
[19:15:32] <sparcdr> looking forward to GNOME 2.20
[19:15:43] <kaiwai> the existing one has a bug in it which casues font deformations in opera
[19:15:44] <sparcdr> going over release notes right now
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[19:16:17] <dmesg> hi jamesd
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[19:18:13] <alanc> kaiwai: build 74 is the first one in which the Xserver uses freetype
[19:18:31] <kaiwai> ah, before that, the bitstream was used?
[19:18:34] <alanc> and there are no plans to upgrade freetype at this time - too many other things we need to do
[19:19:02] <kaiwai> alanc: I can get around the issue by using LD_LIBRARY_PATH but it seems rather ugly-hackish
[19:19:07] <alanc> in the Xserver, yes - programs using Xft for client-side/anti-aliased fonts (like anything using GTK) always used freetype
[19:20:10] <alanc> I wouldn't stop someone else who wanted to do the work from upgrading freetype - it's just past the overflow limit on my todo list for now
[19:20:49] <kaiwai> what would be involved with the upgrading?
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[19:22:08] <flyingparchment> what does the X server use freetype for?
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[19:22:25] <flyingparchment> oh, server-side fonts
[19:23:36] <kaiwai> IIRC 2.1.x
[19:25:25] <kaiwai> brb
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[19:32:36] * LeftWing grumbles about Xsun + Sun Ray + XINERAMA + XGrabKey
[19:34:24] <alanc> kaiwai: downloading the new source, figuring out if Sun's patches still need to be applied or are already included, figuring out how much software we're going to break thanks to the freetype binary incompatiblies, preparing an ARC case summarizing the API changes and incompatibilities, and submitting code review for the changes
[19:35:03] <flyingparchment> alanc: ISTR that the Xinerama extension API on S10 was not entirely compatible with the Xorg one.  has/will that change(d)?
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[19:35:07] <kaiwai> hmm, wonderful; it compiles without a problem using gcc; but buggered if I can be bothered with all that beaucratic paper work required
[19:35:33] <alanc> LeftWing: you referring to 6566519?   our sustaining guys are working on an S10 patch for that
[19:35:45] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: compiling it, shipping it and breaking everyone's applications is not really the solaris way
[19:35:50] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: we like backward compatibility
[19:36:06] <LeftWing> alanc: I'm not sure what 6566519 is, but if it's "Buggering up my WM keyboard shortcuts when you use xinerama multihead on Sun Rays" then yes....
[19:36:08] <kaiwai> but the current one has a bug which stops opera from working properly
[19:36:19] <LeftWing> s/65.../the actual bug/
[19:36:22] <flyingparchment> well fix that bug then
[19:36:26] <alanc> flyingparchment: libXinerama (the XFree86/XOrg API) is shipped in Nevada builds 62 and later
[19:36:33] <flyingparchment> alanc: ah
[19:37:01] <LeftWing> alanc: If you have more information for me, I'd love to have it.  It's rather intensely irritating and I've learnt more about the source to {c,v}twm in the last day or so that I previously cared to.
[19:37:02] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: its fixed in 2.3.5 - I've noticed no breakage so far, all the applications bundled with Solaris work nicely
[19:37:03] <alanc> LeftWing: the description is "Open and Front keys stop working on one monitor only in Xinerama mode"
[19:37:15] <LeftWing> alanc: That sounds eerily like what I'm having.
[19:37:35] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6566519
[19:37:57] <alanc> the evaluation starts out with "This is caused by the Xserver failing to grab the keys properly when XGrabKey() is called by dtwm in Xinerama mode"
[19:38:07] <LeftWing> The WM uses XGrabKey to register shortcuts (like, I suppose, Open & Front, or in my case Ctrl+Find for instance) and then... sort of loses the ability to use them on some monitors.
[19:38:15] <LeftWing> That sounds good!
[19:38:52] <alanc> apparently it was only adding grabs when the mouse was on screen 0
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[19:40:26] <LeftWing> Fixed in snv_71, eh... I'm on b72. =(
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[19:42:41] <alanc> then perhaps there's a further problem - you can figure out the sustaining engineer's address easily (s/ /./g + ' at sun dot com')
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[19:43:31] <LeftWing> alanc: Cheers.
[19:45:03] <alanc> the incompatibilities between the freetype 2.1.x shipped now and later versions are documented at http://freetype.sourceforge.net/freetype2/freetype-2.2.0.html
[19:45:34] <kaiwai> *shrugs* I'll keep using LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead
[19:48:08] <alanc> smart man - there is nothing like changing the font software to get you piled deep under bug reports and complaints from people who like their fonts looking just so
[19:48:49] <WickySlacking> haha
[19:49:09] <alanc> I wouldn't have done the bitstream->freetype change in 74 if I could have avoided it, but between the Xvnc integration and making a redistributable X server for indiana, it couldn't be avoided
[19:50:20] <Pietro_S> I think I will buy some book about dtrace for Christmas - as it takes me ages to do what I want (sometimes I even don't know what I want) [dtracing gnome-keyring-deamon, manager] :(
[19:50:33] <kaiwai> alanc: hence I'll stick with my nasty hack rather than going through the drama
[19:50:39] * alanc already gets enough hatemail from breaking peoples keyboards (press Control, then Backspace...crap Xserver died again!)
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[19:52:22] <kaiwai> hmm, strange, never happened to be before
[19:52:55] <Pietro_S> alanc: it's much better this way than hatemails about ctrl+backspace not killing X (I wrote few ones on linux, on opensolaris didn't enccouterr it *yet*)
[19:53:14] <richlowe> alanc: I'm guessing bugs lingering in opensolaris/triage-queue do so because you have no idea where to put them?
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[19:54:00] <alanc> I'm not supposed to triage all of them, I just get sick of seeing them rotting after a while and handle the ON ones as well
[19:54:29] <quasi> WickySlacking: have you ended up in the coffee shop again?
[19:54:35] <alanc> maybe if we added on-gatekeeper alias to the triage queue someone would actually look at the ON ones...
[19:54:46] <WickySlacking> quasi: Nope, went straight home
[19:54:48] <richlowe> alanc: "you" was general
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[19:55:07] <alanc> only 8 in the queue right now
[19:55:30] <alanc> 2 old incomplete ones, the next oldest is from 9/18
[19:56:13] <alanc> lets see what we have
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[19:56:27] <alanc> no idea where this goes: 6606301 Auth fails when userPassword for OpenLDAP bindDN is SSHA or MD5 and greater that 8 chars
[19:56:49] <wesolows> pam_modules/ldap_scheme probably
[19:56:54] <wesolows> let me look at that one
[19:57:04] <kaiwai> hmm, tell the person to have a userpassword less than 8 characters
[19:57:05] <richlowe> alanc: I see 31 in the queue, via b.o.o
[19:57:10] <richlowe> alanc: some dating back to January
[19:57:11] <alanc> "zfs send/recv should support recursive transfers of filesystems or pools" - sounds like kernel/zfs to me...
[19:57:11] <WickySlacking> kik
[19:57:12] <richlowe> of course, it's b.o.o
[19:57:17] <kaiwai> that'll solve it
[19:57:19] <richlowe> alanc: that's a dup, I think.
[19:57:24] <flyingparchment> tell the person to use kerberos ;)
[19:57:39] <wesolows> that's gotta be a dupe, the ZFS guys are already working on it I believe
[19:57:48] <WickySlacking> so, just for my understanding
[19:57:52] <alanc> b.o.o lies - oldest in the queue is from July
[19:58:05] <alanc> probably bugs that went to a category outside the b.o.o set
[19:58:30] <WickySlacking> let's say, hypothetical, I find not being able to use a '!' in my passwords when using samba a bug/not somehting that should be. Do I fill it to the opensolaris bug system or samba?
[19:58:50] <alanc> it's triage - I dump it in kernel/zfs - they get to figure out what to close as dup of
[19:58:51] <richlowe> alanc: you stopped delivering xview, right?
[19:59:07] <alanc> the libraries are still around for backwards compat
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[19:59:13] <richlowe> ok.
[19:59:26] <kaiwai> WickySlacking: Solution don't be a tosser by using ! in the password
[19:59:58] <WickySlacking> kaiwai: that's very cool when you come from an AD environment with tight security policies where passwords require a "strange" character
[20:00:20] <kaiwai> the end user is already strange enough, no need to compound it further
[20:00:29] <CIA-25> dm199847: 6607723 idmap show with undefined userness/groupness doesn't return a correct answer
[20:00:40] <WickySlacking> calling me strange is flirty.. and flirty wont get you anywhere
[20:01:00] <alanc> 6608007 Fault on boot BAD TRAP: General Protection - punt to kernel/boot_x86, let them deal with it
[20:01:02] <kaiwai> depends on whether your hard disk needs maintenance
[20:01:29] <kaiwai> I'll turn that from a floppy to a hard disk in no time
[20:01:29] <WickySlacking> but serious. Bugs in /usr/sfw software, should they be filed to the developers/manafactures/give the beast a name mailing lists or the opensolaris bug tracker, that's all I am asking
[20:01:30] <alanc> hmm, not sure about 6608358 SXCE in VM restarts when USB ZFS drive is removed while VM is paused
[20:01:59] <wesolows> heh
[20:02:07] <wesolows> which of 7 million variables, etc
[20:02:10] <kaiwai> alanc: sounds like a hal/gnome-volume-manager
[20:02:12] <wesolows> kernel/zfs perhaps
[20:02:20] <kaiwai> had a similar thing happen to me once
[20:02:31] <wesolows> no, hal/gnome can't make the system panic/reboot; if they do, it's still a kernel bug
[20:02:56] <wesolows> that's either a kernel bug or a VM bug
[20:03:00] <kaiwai> hmm, true, but tell that to the kernel people - they'll swear its something else
[20:03:04] <alanc> WickySlacking: depends - sending it upstream will hopefully get it fixed in a future upstream release Sun may eventually pull in, but if you want it faster than that, you'ld have to file with Sun and escalate via support
[20:03:06] <wesolows> I'm a kernel person
[20:03:14] <wesolows> I'm telling you that panics are bugs.
[20:03:21] <alanc> kernel/zfs it is - they can always reassign if it's wrong
[20:03:24] * kaiwai faints
[20:03:37] <wesolows> The exception are panics caused by unrecoverable hardware failure - of which this very well may be an example
[20:03:47] <wesolows> but it is definitely not GNOME's fault, nor hald's
[20:05:04] <kaiwai> when I had a removable hard disk, the whole thing would stop working when I plugged in the hard disk; the gui would freeze and the machine would reboot
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[20:05:29] <wesolows> well, if the thing you were plugging it into supports hotplug, that's a kernel bug too
[20:05:45] <wesolows> if not, you are doing something unsupported by hardware and deserve what you get
[20:05:59] <sommerfeld> and if it doesn't support hotplug, you let the magic smoke out.
[20:06:33] <kaiwai> well, it started working fine in later releases; so the bug got fixed
[20:06:45] <wesolows> yep, "what you get" ranges from device no worky to panic to smoking crater where your data used to be
[20:07:04] <kaiwai> too bad when reported all i got was "its all your fault!" rather than "shit, this could be a bug, lets investigate"
[20:08:38] <alanc> the triage queue is now empty, except for the two incomplete bugs from July
[20:09:05] <wesolows> there are other bugs there, but they are closed (dupes, etc)
[20:09:10] <wesolows> maybe that's why boo lies
[20:09:22] <richlowe> A lot I saw there were Dispatched
[20:09:31] <richlowe> it's probably the old "b.o.o didn't sync, and now we're fucked" bug.
[20:09:32] <wesolows> nope, there are now 0 in that state
[20:09:58] <alanc> though b.o.o won't update until later the ones I just reassigned
[20:10:07] <richlowe> alanc: of course.
[20:10:13] <richlowe> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/search.do?process=1&category=opensolaris&subcategory=triage-queue&sortBy=date
[20:10:22] <alanc> several of the ones I see searching on b.o.o are in the "moved out of boo-tracked-categories" state
[20:10:26] <richlowe> 6516145, for instance.
[20:10:31] <kaiwai> hmm, what a horrid interface that is
[20:10:35] <richlowe> or 6515074
[20:10:57] <richlowe> alanc: they normally vanish when that happens.
[20:10:59] <richlowe> alanc: or they used to.
[20:11:00] <alanc> yeah, boo is broken
[20:11:05] <richlowe> Gee, ya think?
[20:11:09] * richlowe is totally shocked
[20:11:20] <alanc> 6541809 system panics under great load on zfs on sata is in solaris/driver/sata now, Closed Duplicate
[20:11:29] <richlowe> alanc: Yup, that's the refuses-to-sync issue.
[20:11:36] <richlowe> alanc: it now won't sync that bug until that bug changes again
[20:11:45] <richlowe> alanc: mail dcicero with the ID and what's wrong with it please?
[20:13:25] <stevel> mail help at opensolaris dot org rather than derek directly.
[20:13:34] <richlowe> really?
[20:13:35] <stevel> it's possible linda may be able to help
[20:13:52] <richlowe> stevel: Well, I'm going on derek having asked for details to be sent to him next time we saw a bug screwed like this.
[20:13:59] <richlowe> stevel: but sure, if other folks can fix it too
[20:14:21] <stevel> well, send it to help so that linda can at least learn from derek's response what to do - so we have a backup for when derek is gone or unavailable
[20:14:39] <richlowe> stevel: the workaround is to do a NOP update on the bug, and it'll sync.
[20:14:45] <richlowe> stevel: I think derek wanted to actually figure out the why and fix it.
[20:17:04] <alanc> heh - I love the entries in the search list that show bugs as not available - why include them in the search results if you can't see them?
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[20:17:28] <richlowe> alanc: it only does it sometimes.
[20:17:48] <richlowe> alanc: the interesting question is, can you deduce the content of a hidden bug via crafted search terms and looking for it being listed, but unavailable.
[20:17:55] <richlowe> I'd guess it's possible, just time consuming.
[20:18:02] <alanc> and searching for opensolaris/triage-queue is showing results that are bugs I transferred yesterday, and the entry in the search results lists the new cat already
[20:18:19] <alanc> so the search db category list and bug db are out of sync
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[20:22:38] <alanc> so the recent "This bug is not available" entries of 6608105 & 6608132 are ones that I transferred to non-boo categories, so maybe it's working now, just missed the older ones...
[20:23:07] <richlowe> alanc: for the sake of your sanity, quit poking at it.
[20:24:27] <alanc> weird - 6608132 ended up under matrix/driver/ndiswrapper...didn't know that existed, don't know why it's not under solaris
[20:24:50] <kaiwai> woop-woop
[20:24:55] <kaiwai> b75 is here :)
[20:26:59] <johnlev> it is?
[20:27:00] <kaiwai> off to bedy-byes
[20:27:01] <kaiwai> yeap
[20:27:17] <kaiwai> 300KBs
[20:27:25] <kaiwai> no complaints from me (yeap, thats a first)
[20:27:42] <johnlev> 73, right?
[20:28:32] <kaiwai> yeap
[20:28:53] <kaiwai> I bfu'ed to it, so I guess I'm sweet
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[20:30:28] <alanc> JDS b75 just pushed out to opensolaris.org
[20:30:54] <alanc> (Desktop gates for Nevada close a week before ON gate does in general)
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[20:31:42] <alanc> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/2007-September/010834.html
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[20:43:05] <Pietro_S> does anyone here something different than JDS and have working gnome-keyring-daemon, gnome-keyring-manager?
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[20:47:14] <Pietro_S> you can test it - running gnome-keyring-manager if it will fail o not
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[20:48:28] <flyingparchment> does a user authenticated via kerberos need a shadowAccount in their ldap config?
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[20:49:58] <SYS64738> what are improvements on using php 5.2.0 from coolstack instead php 5.2.4 from php.net ?
[20:50:25] <nightswim> is that solaris specific? :)
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[20:51:27] <nrubsig> alanc: ping!
[20:51:42] <nrubsig> alanc: Can you please check the triage queue for new dtrace bugs, please ?
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[20:59:49] <Pietro_S> it's interesting that gnome-keyring-daemon works in JDS well, until you kill it and lunch it manually
[21:00:13] <CIA-25> wyllys: 6607135 KMF incorrectly labels public keys as private
[21:00:27] <nrubsig> Pietro_S: stop using ketchup when lunching it... :-)
[21:01:54] <SYS64738> I am little bit confused between SFW, CSW, CSK amp
[21:02:01] <Pietro_S> pargs didn't catch some special arguments which differ in default and manual start
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[21:03:24] <Pietro_S> is there any way how to investigate what script/smf in JDS launched daemon?
[21:03:25] <nrubsig> Pietro_S: check the env vars
[21:03:52] <Pietro_S> nrubsig: already done, even with exporting the new ones it doesn't work
[21:04:18] <nrubsig> Pietro_S: maybe it needs X11 ?
[21:04:35] <nrubsig> Pietro_S: my first try would be "truss" and then "truss -u ::"
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[21:05:46] <trasz> guys, what's "dtmf style cli", like in http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4150/specs.xml?
[21:06:25] <flyingparchment> trasz: i don't see that text anywhere
[21:06:33] <flyingparchment> oh, dmtf
[21:06:48] <Pietro_S> nrubsig: thanks
[21:06:54] <flyingparchment> trasz: it means the LOM CLI conforms to a particular standard
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[21:07:27] <flyingparchment> (so in theory, all commands and such are the same as other systems using that standard, like dell)
[21:07:33] <Pietro_S> I'm blind and stupid at onece - I was running blastwave binaries
[21:07:51] <trasz> flyingparchment: my first reaction was 'what, so you can get a console using a tonedialer?'  ;-)
[21:08:05] <trasz> flyingparchment: is it described somewhere?
[21:08:08] <Pietro_S> I *really* have to get rid of blastwave (when I don't use it at all) ...
[21:08:24] <flyingparchment> trasz: check the manuals for any X* systems.. they all use it.  it's the stuff like 'start /SP/console'
[21:08:37] <flyingparchment> trasz: basically it's pretty annoying and the old V20z-style LOM had a much nicer interface.  but it works..
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[21:10:19] <sommerfeld> trasz: actually, the older RSC cards had built-in modems which were dial-out capable.
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[21:13:30] <trasz> flyingparchment: ok, thanks for clarification.
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[21:16:36] <SYS64738> why mysql_32bit that come with CSKamp pkg doesn't install the smf for mysql while the CSKmysql pkg do it ?
[21:18:09] <cmihai> SYS64738, http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/08/installing-coolstack-on-solaris-and.html - install CoolStack, create SMF manifests and use inside a zone.
[21:18:29] <SYS64738> thanks
[21:18:49] <cmihai> See part II, it's for mysql. I is apache
[21:19:07] <nrubsig> Can anyone go to JBeck's cube and check whether he is still alive ?
[21:19:48] <cmihai> He's DEADBEEF
[21:19:55] <SYS64738> cmihai, the strange is that I already have a smf for cskapache2
[21:20:15] <cmihai> That is strainge.
[21:20:28] <cmihai> I don't remember CoolStack coming with any SMF integration.
[21:20:35] <cmihai> Not 1.1 anyway.
[21:20:44] <SYS64738> and also mysql 64 install the smf
[21:21:30] <SYS64738> I have another problem, mysql_install_db doesn't create the tables
[21:22:04] <cmihai> Huh
[21:22:13] <SYS64738> with 64bit it works but I have troubles to compile php
[21:22:21] <cmihai> Is it started?
[21:22:22] <SYS64738> with mysql 64bit pkg
[21:22:30] <flyingparchment> how timely are coolstack security updates?
[21:22:45] <cmihai> What security updates? :P
[21:23:02] <cmihai> SYS64738, you need 32 bit mysql to compile PHP
[21:23:14] <cmihai> That's why you NEED to keep it around even if you use the 64 bit
[21:23:27] <flyingparchment> cmihai: for PHP in particulary, it tends to have a lot of them..
[21:24:08] <cmihai> Yeah
[21:24:12] <SYS64738> then I choose the 64bit
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[21:31:07] <flyingparchment> awesome, docs.sun.com broken again
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[21:37:03] <tulcod> so why should I choose open solaris over linux?
[21:37:40] <trasz> tulcod: documentation?  ;-)
[21:37:49] <tulcod> k
[21:37:55] <tulcod> that all? (not sarcastic)
[21:38:12] <flyingparchment> tulcod: maybe you shouldn't.  try it and see.
[21:38:19] <trasz> tulcod: no.  but discussion like this usualy turns into advocacy.
[21:38:27] <tulcod> haha
[21:38:29] <tulcod> true
[21:38:30] <trasz> tulcod: just try and compare.
[21:38:37] <tulcod> but... I just wanna know how you guys think about it :)
[21:38:42] <tulcod> like, I won't say linux is better
[21:38:47] <cmihai> tulcod, do you actually expect us to sell you OpenSolaris?
[21:38:49] <tulcod> cause I don't know if it is
[21:38:53] <tulcod> cmihai: pretty much ;)
[21:38:56] <cmihai> And you won't either.
[21:39:08] <cmihai> It takes _time_ and experience to really know something.
[21:39:14] <trasz> tulcod: for me, solaris is simply _simpler_.  i.e. easier.  less stuff to think about.
[21:39:33] <tulcod> trasz: hm, ok. not easy like windows easy, right? just... well documented
[21:39:35] <g4lt-sb100> !seen productive advocacy
[21:39:44] <cmihai> A quick tour will just highlight the unfamiliar aspects and you'll com to the wrong conclusion: eg: Solaris is not Linux, Solaris is hard, solaris doesn't have this that linux has etc
[21:40:08] <flyingparchment> tulcod: i like solaris because it's well integrated (easy to use), well documented, stable and scalable.
[21:40:14] <flyingparchment> tulcod: and all the software i need runs well on it
[21:40:17] <cmihai> Ask here, and you'll end up with a bunch of subjective bullshit.
[21:40:29] <cmihai> It's best to just see for yourself
[21:40:31] <tulcod> cmihai: that's why I'm asking :p
[21:40:36] <g4lt-sb100> #$%%^ dron won't be a straight man again :(
[21:40:52] <tulcod> flyingparchment: hm, so it's kind of a mix of linux's package management (and friends) and windows' easiness?
[21:40:59] <g4lt-sb100> I men, what good's a bot if you can't use it as a straight man
[21:41:30] <cmihai> tulcod, combined with the usability of OpenVMS and the hardware support of Minux.
[21:41:34] <cmihai> Look
[21:41:35] <flyingparchment> tulcod: the package management isn't that much like linux
[21:41:37] <cmihai> Just see docs.sun.com
[21:41:47] <tulcod> flyingparchment: well, same goals...
[21:41:56] <sponix> tulcod:  do you have any *nix (unix flavor) experience ?
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[21:42:00] <cmihai> Not really.
[21:42:03] <cmihai> It's very very very different.
[21:42:11] <tulcod> sponix: I'm using linux atm, but I'm trying to be objective
[21:42:19] <tulcod> bsd is nice, but it just lacks drivers
[21:42:45] <cmihai> Linux is nice, but it lacks drivers.
[21:42:49] <cmihai> So I'm using Windows atm.
[21:42:55] <cmihai> And I am objective. Yeha.
[21:43:00] <flyingparchment> tulcod: you really should just try it and see
[21:43:02] <tulcod> well, linux at least has more than *bsd
[21:43:07] <flyingparchment> tulcod: much better way to find out whether you like it than asking us
[21:43:11] <tulcod> flyingparchment: k. might try it in a vm
[21:43:12] <cmihai> If it supports _your_ hardware, it HAS drivers.
[21:43:13] <cmihai> End of story.
[21:43:30] <flyingparchment> just remember that solaris isn't linux (or bsd), so it's not going to work the same.
[21:43:38] <flyingparchment> some people seem to try it, get frustrated that it's not linux, and give up ;)
[21:43:41] <sponix> tulcod:  what kind of hardware are you using ?
[21:43:54] <tulcod> sponix: not too weird stuff, kinda outdated also
[21:43:55] <cmihai> tulcod, Solaris is _very_ slow in VMware.
[21:44:05] <tulcod> cmihai: and in qemu?
[21:44:09] <cmihai> qemu and Virtualbox won't run it all the way...
[21:44:13] <cmihai> OH MY GOD
[21:44:15] <cmihai> It takes 14 hours to install in qemu
[21:44:16] <sponix> tulcod:  imho, Linux has the best driver support out of *nix flavors for cheap, low end, normal x86 PC hardware
[21:44:17] <cmihai> on a quad core
[21:44:20] <tulcod> lol
[21:44:39] <tulcod> sponix: is opensolaris close?
[21:44:45] <flyingparchment> heh, it took a long time to install SXDE in vmware, but i blamed that on the new installer
[21:44:48] <sponix> tulcod:  Solaris has very good driver support if you follow the HCL or match specs with boxes they sell though
[21:44:53] <flyingparchment> actually running it was okay, e.g. ON compile time was fairly reasonable
[21:45:30] <tulcod> hm... and... I've heard some stories that the java implementation would be better on opensolaris. is that true?
[21:45:34] <sponix> tulcod:  you might go read on the solaris releases, so you know opensolaris, solaris express developer edition, and solaris express community edition are all solaris
[21:45:43] <cmihai> tulcod, yes, you get to DTrace it.
[21:45:47] <cmihai> And umh.. that's about it.
[21:46:03] <tulcod> sponix: k
[21:46:22] <sponix> Sun makes both Solaris and Java, so java is packaged with Solaris, that can be a plus
[21:46:25] <cmihai> tulcod, just get SXCE
[21:46:34] <tulcod> cmihai: /me googles
[21:46:39] <cmihai> tulcod, read the topic, follow the link.
[21:46:46] <tulcod> k
[21:46:46] <cmihai> opensolaris.org -> download -> sxce
[21:47:18] <tulcod> sponix: well, installing java isn't a real problem on linux. at least not for me
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[21:47:37] <tulcod> only problem atm is that it doesn't support xcb
[21:47:39] <tulcod> which is bad
[21:47:40] <sponix> cmihai:  I still stick with SXDE myself, but I just use it to play with java, and zfs
[21:47:55] <cmihai> SXDE is kind of pointless, but whatever.
[21:47:58] <sponix> tulcod:  what is xcb ?
[21:48:02] <cmihai> Same code, older version. Meh.
[21:48:08] <tulcod> sponix: does xlib say anything to you?
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[21:48:28] <sponix> cmihai:  yes, its a bit outdated, but SXCE doesn't come with all the devel bits does it ?
[21:48:50] <cmihai> Yes it does.
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[21:48:52] <cmihai> It's the same.
[21:48:54] <tulcod> xlib is the library libraries like gtk+ and qt use to communicate with x.org
[21:48:55] <cmihai> Bit to bit.
[21:49:00] <sponix> tulcod:  not much, know its a good thing to have installed if you plan on rebuilding X stuff from sources
[21:49:04] <tulcod> xcb is a new system cooperating with xlib
[21:49:10] <cmihai> A SXCE and SXDE of the same release are IDENTICAL.
[21:49:25] <cmihai> Same stuff is on the DVD.
[21:49:34] <tulcod> but... it's kinda like xcb is placed in front of xlib
[21:49:43] <tulcod> so apps effectively communicate with xcb, instead of xlib
[21:49:49] <tulcod> but xcb's rules and stuff are tighter
[21:49:55] <cmihai> tulcod, oh, one sec
[21:50:06] <trasz> tulcod: it's not just it's well documented.  it's just that one has to make less choices than with linux.
[21:50:06] <sponix> cmihai:  wow, I feel a bit dumb on that, though SXCE was more stripped down, didn't know it came with the Sun Studio, netbeans, and such
[21:50:16] <cmihai> No, it's bleeding identical.
[21:50:23] <tulcod> so lotsa apps expecting xlib's acceptance (can't explain better) suddenly are placed in xcb's strictness
[21:50:24] <cmihai> tulcod, http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/08/liveupgrade-sxce.html - read this.
[21:50:28] <trasz> tulcod: i don't need to think which driver for ide i'm using, CONFIG_IDE or CONFIG_ATA.
[21:50:30] <cmihai> tulcod, it's how you should install SXCE.
[21:50:33] <trasz> tulcod: etc, etc.
[21:50:41] <tulcod> trasz: heh, ok
[21:50:45] <cmihai> sponix, read that too if you don't do LiveUpgrade :-)
[21:50:51] <tulcod> cmihai: gonna read that in a few mins, thx
[21:51:10] <cmihai> tulcod, just read it before you install, or you'll be sorry when you try to find space for a /altroot :-)
[21:51:22] <sponix> cmihai: in your opinion whats the best way to upgrade between releases ?
[21:51:29] <cmihai> sponix, read that link :-)
[21:51:59] <cmihai> It applies across any solaris 8-11 releases (going forward, maximum version difference = 2)
[21:51:59] <johnlev> nrubsig: ping
[21:52:03] <trasz> sponix: xcb is a kind of libX11 rewrite.  slightly better, slightly incompatible.
[21:53:00] <nrubsig> johnlev: pong!
[21:53:02] <tulcod> trasz: more like, xlib rewrite ;)
[21:53:12] <sponix> cmihai:  I bookmarked it, looks like good stuff
[21:53:15] <johnlev> nrubsig: to clarify, that dtrace hang is under vmware, right?
[21:53:19] <trasz> tulcod: yeah.
[21:53:23] <cmihai> sponix, I usually keep 2-3 live upgrade environments around. Could be a SXDE and 2 SXCE, could be 10 and SXCE, depends.
[21:53:24] <johnlev> nrubsig: is it reproducible on metal?
[21:53:34] <cmihai> Disk space is cheap :-).
[21:53:38] <alanc> nrubsig: was at lunch before
[21:53:40] <tulcod> thx all for your info and opinions
[21:53:41] <nrubsig> johnlev: erm, did the bug make it into the triage queue ?
[21:53:47] <johnlev> nrubsig: yes
[21:53:48] <sponix> cmihai:  I just sucked down 4G worth of SXDE, so I'll probably stick with that for a few months
[21:53:49] <alanc> but I think I see what you want
[21:53:55] <alanc> CR 6609054 Created P2 opensolaris/triage-queue System hang when executing $ dtrace -m '*'
[21:53:57] <hali> oh, the intel systems are out!
[21:54:03] <cmihai> sponix, bandwidth issues? ;-(
[21:54:11] <sponix> cmihai:  but I do want to learn how to properly use liveupgrade, sure that is on the Sun Certified Admin testing ;)
[21:54:14] <johnlev> 6609054
[21:54:15] <cmihai> It's more fun when it takes 20 minutes to download sxce hehe
[21:54:17] <nrubsig> johnlev: I don't have a system to test it right now.
[21:54:20] <alanc> (and I saw JBeck in the lunch room too)
[21:54:22] <sponix> cmihai:  yes, going back to Iraq soon
[21:54:23] <johnlev> and 6609055
[21:54:39] <cmihai> sponix, oh, you're in the army?
[21:54:40] <sponix> cmihai:  I would get SXCE right now, but I am trying to get my movie Cache built up as well
[21:54:44] <richlowe> huh, I don't see it hang.
[21:54:45] <sponix> cmihai:  yes
[21:54:54] <richlowe> of course, it's not so easy to kill, either...
[21:54:56] <cmihai> Cool. What do you do? IT or killing?
[21:54:59] <sponix> cmihai:  you happen to work for Sun, or know a few people well that do, btw ?
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[21:55:09] <sponix> cmihai:  IT
[21:55:36] <cmihai> No, sorry, I don't work for Sun, but quite a bunch of people here do.
[21:56:00] <cmihai> sponix, that's really cool. I hear the pay is good, a few friends here went as well.. NATO peace keeping or whatever they call it.
[21:56:43] <sponix> been writing emails, asking Sun to Sponsor/Hire people for programming and Administrator courses online, similar to Sang's Javapassion course
[21:56:50] <nrubsig> alanc: I assume the triage queue is working, right ?
[21:57:04] <alanc> as far as I can tell - new bugs are coming in
[21:57:08] <cmihai> sponix, their online stuff is quite expensive mate, but they have a student program.
[21:57:09] <nrubsig> ok
[21:57:26] <alanc> but I can't really tell when it's not, unless you complain one of yours got lost
[21:57:27] <sponix> cmihai:  pay is decent, but not enough to compensate for being away from my 2 little ones, imho -- Of course, I'm not sure if there is a dollar amount that could meet that
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[21:58:04] <cmihai> Oh, you're a family man. Can't say I'd go in that case.
[21:58:06] <sponix> cmihai:  See, I feel it should be _free_ online courses.. More people trained on Sun stuff, the more people will use Sun, it pays off for them to teach others
[21:58:40] <cmihai> sponix, meh, docs.sun.com stuff is quite good, and there's bigadmin, online webcasts, etc.
[21:58:50] <johnlev> 6608957 Expect to be included into SFW consolidation
[21:58:52] <johnlev> that confused me
[21:58:53] <cmihai> There's plenty of resources and good community support.
[21:59:00] <cmihai> The online stuff is more about certifications.
[21:59:01] <richlowe> johnlev: heh.
[21:59:12] * wesolows expects to be assimilated any day now
[21:59:30] <sponix> True, but the Javapassion course is structured, in a online college like environment, homework, the real deal, its very nice
[21:59:44] <nrubsig> wesolows: resistance is futile!
[21:59:51] <nrubsig> wesolows: surrender now!
[22:00:13] <sponix> cmihai:  it prepares for SJCP, I would love one to prep in the same manor for Sun Solaris Administration
[22:00:31] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, hold out for seven of nine
[22:00:43] <nrubsig> wesolows: erm... psssst... your text... you have to say "I surrender, my holy master" ...
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[22:04:33] <sponix> cicso should give up on WRT54G firmware and just have only WRT54GL with DD-WRT, its amazing how bad the 54G sucks compared to a GL with dd-wrt
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[22:05:08] <sponix> about ready to toss my 54G, think I can get $5 for it on ebay ?
[22:05:15] <wesolows> g4lt-sb100: she's "out of my league", sadly
[22:05:36] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, at least hold out for borg queen
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[22:05:59] <wesolows> I'll hold out for the first borg who offers me a decent bottle of scotch
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[22:06:48] <cmihai> sponix, dd wipe the data clean first
[22:06:52] <cmihai> 7 times ;P
[22:06:59] <cmihai> Or 34. Depends on paranoia levels.
[22:07:20] <sponix> cmihai:  why, so they don't try to recover my pr0n bits from the router :P
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[22:31:30] <nrubsig> alanc: anything new in the triage queue ?
[22:32:12] <alanc> not yet
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[22:32:28] <victori> does sxce have smbfs?
[22:32:35] <flyingparchment> no
[22:32:38] <victori> ugh...
[22:32:42] <flyingparchment> (i think it's being worked on though)
[22:32:49] <victori> any way to mount a samba share?
[22:32:57] <nrubsig> alanc: e.g. dtrace
[22:33:02] <victori> last thing I  want to do is mess with nfs + windows
[22:33:24] <alanc> nrubsig: the triage queue is currently completely empty except for two bugs from July
[22:33:30] <alanc> I should punt those too
[22:33:39] <nrubsig> groan
[22:33:45] <victori> hmm cygwin seems to support nfs on windows, might not be so bad after all
[22:34:27] <cmihai> victori Windows has native NFS support from Microsoft.
[22:34:36] <cmihai> Install Windows SUA (the old Services for Unix 3.5).
[22:34:56] <wesolows> alanc: should the closed ones be moved to whatever category contains the bugs they duplicate?
[22:35:01] <cmihai> It maps it right next to the CIFS shares in windows, so using it is fully integrated, just like CIFS (SMB, see SAMBA)
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[22:35:12] <alanc> hmm, kernel panic with no stack trace and no core dump, guess there is no good place to move that one
[22:35:26] <wesolows> kernel/other
[22:35:38] <nrubsig> heh
[22:35:39] <wesolows> and marked incomplete
[22:36:21] <alanc> wesolows: I only search the triage queue for bugs in state 1-9, so the closed ones don't show up when I search, but it might be nice for those searching externally who can only choose a single state
[22:36:45] <alanc> the panic without details is already marked incomplete
[22:36:56] <alanc> 6577949 Kernel panic when running "svcprop dns/server"
[22:37:06] <wesolows> yeah, I just think it could be moved
[22:37:11] <wesolows> it's incomplete no matter where it is :-)
[22:37:19] <alanc> kernel.other is slightly better than triage queue, so I'll send it there
[22:37:49] <alanc> there, now there are 0 open bugs in the triage queue
[22:38:11] <nrubsig> groan
[22:38:19] <nrubsig> but... I filed another RFE
[22:39:15] <alanc> but b.o.o has to mail that to the internal bug db, so any number of SMTP servers on the way could be making that take a non-negligible amount of time
[22:39:38] <alanc> or it could have hit one of the bugs in b.o.o's filing process
[22:39:41] <nrubsig> alanc: AFAIK I can hit "reload" on that tab.. should I try that ?
[22:40:06] <alanc> I think someone tried that last week - 7 duplicate bugs filed
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[22:40:51] <sparcdr> hi
[22:41:01] <cmihai> hi
[22:41:05] <nrubsig> hi
[22:41:46] * nrubsig reloads
[22:42:01] <alanc> 'lo
[22:42:19] <nrubsig> alanc: reload completed, please check the triage queue...
[22:42:31] <alanc> it never works that fast
[22:43:01] <richlowe> it's mail, for a start.
[22:43:18] <nrubsig> alanc: What ? We have 5GHz power CPUs these days... it must be hyperrealtime!
[22:43:25] <richlowe> but pounding b.o.o with duplicates isn't going to help anyone.
[22:43:58] <nrubsig> richlowe: should I start ranting how many of my bug reports went missing ? Should it ... ?
[22:44:10] <richlowe> We all know.
[22:44:15] <richlowe> and we all know it's despicable, too
[22:44:18] <alanc> CPU speed matters not when the bottleneck is routing it through all the various servers (including Sun's SPAM filter servers, which have to check and filter tens of millions of mails per day)
[22:44:22] <nrubsig> richlowe: one f*cking duplicate won't harm anyone.
[22:44:23] <victori> still a really pitty opensolaris has no way of mounting an smb share
[22:44:28] <richlowe> as has been suggested before, what you need to do is help tools-discuss find an alternative.
[22:44:39] <richlowe> the faster we get it torn to shreds, the better for everyone.
[22:44:48] <richlowe> nrubsig: one, no.
[22:44:53] <jmcp> nrubsig: it's definitely a plot. *somebody* wants to <deleted><deleted> you
[22:45:06] <nrubsig> richlowe: it will take years
[22:45:07] <richlowe> nrubsig: but depending on how much stuff is sucking right now, the latency maybe even worse.
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[22:45:15] <richlowe> It will if nobody does anything about it yes.
[22:45:17] <nrubsig> richlowe: and I want to get my work DONE today.
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[22:45:21] <richlowe> which is why I'm trying to encourage you to.
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[22:45:39] <cmihai> alanc how many spam per hour do you think you filter?
[22:46:04] <nrubsig> cmihai: Inf+
[22:46:09] <flyingparchment> awesome, java backtrace on docs.sun.com
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[22:46:28] <nrubsig> flyingparchment: the new way to advertise java-is-great!
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[22:46:33] <jmcp> hi dlg
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[22:47:13] <sparcdr> blah
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[22:47:25] <sparcdr> you guys crack me up
[22:47:50] <alanc> cmihai: the stats page I see only lists stats per day - currently running between 20-30 million spams discarded every day for sun.com e-mail
[22:47:52] <nrubsig> sparcdr: wrong sort of crack!
[22:48:03] <flyingparchment> does solaris ship with SASL?  (directory server docs say i need sasl installed on the ldap client...)
[22:48:13] <nrubsig> alanc: Do they make a list of most common words in the spam ?
[22:48:25] <cmihai> alanc damn, that's almost as much as we have per total :P
[22:48:26] <alanc> (around 95% of the sun.com incoming e-mail traffic from the net)
[22:48:50] <nrubsig> alanc: I bet top 1-9 are porno-related, followed by "mainz", "ksh" and "roland"
[22:48:51] <sparcdr> alanc, that's a lot :)
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[22:49:08] <alanc> nrubsig: #1 spam phrase seems to be "Bug filed by roland.mainz at nrubsig dot org"
[22:49:13] <alanc> 8-)
[22:49:14] <tomww> +1
[22:49:15] <nrubsig> yeah
[22:49:19] <sparcdr> i have plenty myself on a single box for a less-than-known domain, all pornography and "free software" crapola
[22:49:21] <cmihai> Yeah, we get about 200k / hour per 2 domains, but 95% just dies at greylisting.
[22:49:45] <alanc> (or for a serious answer, no, they don't publish that list anywhere I know of)
[22:49:50] <nrubsig> alanc: is there anything in the triage queue now ?
[22:50:18] <alanc> nope
[22:50:23] <cmihai> Though to be honest, filtering it isn't that much of a problem.
[22:50:28] <alanc> watched triage queues never boil
[22:50:40] <nrubsig> alanc: Should I reload again ?
[22:50:54] <sparcdr> i publish my e-mail to two mailinglists atm (OpenSolaris related) to VMware, and Sun, no one else has directly gotten my e-mail without finding it in an index.  Yet 9/10 of the e-mails a day are spam.
[22:51:27] <alanc> I'd go back, save the form contents, and mail it to website-discuss
[22:51:50] <nrubsig> alanc: This is firefox. "back" empties all POST forms.
[22:51:51] <alanc> a bunch of the stuff I get is to people mailing alana at sun dot com, alanb at sun dot com, alanc at sun dot com, ....
[22:52:12] <sparcdr> hahaha
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[22:52:44] <alanc> and my e-mail address appears thousands of times on the net, so no spam surprises me
[22:52:55] <sparcdr> alanc, that's horrible, since you're alan coopersmith not alan babbage or alan aljibar
[22:53:39] <nrubsig> alanc : WANT SEXY PICTURES OF WILD WILD KOMODO DRAGON GIRLS ? NAKED SKIN GURANTEED! SEXY TAIL, TOO!
[22:54:04] <sparcdr> what do I know?  my e-mails are directed at sparcdr: increase the size of your certain member we GUAREENTTEEE IT!
[22:54:05] <alanc> no
[22:54:21] <sparcdr> not my name though, oddly
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[22:54:40] <sparcdr> they found sparcdr because that's my username everywhere
[22:55:07] <alanc> I am confused by some of the content of the spam, like the "I took these pills and now my member is too big for my girlfriend, so we can't have sex anymore!" - I just don't understand how that's a good thing
[22:55:17] <sparcdr> haha
[22:55:20] <cmihai> You need better spam filters mate
[22:55:43] <sparcdr> if they get any better he wont be able to talk to me ;_;
[22:55:46] <sparcdr> then I'll miss alanc
[22:55:49] <sparcdr> :(
[22:55:59] <cmihai> You need to learn how to write proper emails.
[22:56:08] <cmihai> Without saying viagra 2.13 times per mail.
[22:56:47] <sparcdr> iHey now, iNot use iAnnoying Viagra in my e-mails >:o
[22:57:05] <sparcdr> i don't need it >_>
[22:57:16] <sparcdr> should unbrick my thinkpad probably
[22:57:24] <the-decider> iViagra?  Does it touch-sensitive?
[22:57:27] <sparcdr> i didnt follow instructions and it bricked
[22:57:38] <sparcdr> yes the-decider it will even fetch you beer
[22:57:49] <peemus> lol
[22:57:54] <cmihai> sparcdr, hahahaha
[22:58:24] <sparcdr> need not read my source code comments :/
[22:58:25] <the-decider> rrr, only need bartender to fetch beer.
[22:58:39] <the-decider> sparcdr: are you commenting in LOLcat?
[22:58:51] <sparcdr> no
[22:59:08] <cmihai> Sure looks like it though :-)
[22:59:10] <the-decider> obfuscated spam speak?  one line of comment, 5 lines cut-n-pasted from a book?
[22:59:13] <sparcdr> just a lot of really comical jabs at other people's code
[22:59:17] <cmihai> CAN please have verb?
[22:59:37] <cmihai> This sentence no verb either...
[22:59:46] <sparcdr> CAN please grammar right use?
[22:59:52] <the-decider> is has verb.  u can no has verb.
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[23:00:00] <cmihai> weeee
[23:00:03] <cmihai> ^_^
[23:00:04] <holcomb> i can haz past participle?
[23:00:21] <sparcdr> jebus im gonna has jab self with thyne sword.  arrr maytey!
[23:00:27] <the-decider> can has standby?  no earlier plane to have standby, must wait.
[23:00:31] <alanc> it's spreading already.../* DO NOT WANT */ was included in one of the recent Xorg community commits...
[23:00:48] <sparcdr> alanc, vagueness is annoying
[23:01:08] <sparcdr> "function getbeer does stuff"
[23:01:14] * the-decider wrote a plugin for iplanet/java/whatever DS that passes off authentication stuffs to a perl script waiting on a socket...
[23:01:28] <sparcdr> the-decider, neat
[23:01:47] <the-decider> ...the protocol is lolspeak...  "CAN HAS" == ok, "DO NOT WANT" == decline/pass,  "NO WAI" == failed
[23:01:51] <alanc> better than those that just state the obvious because someone decided a comment was required "function getbeer gets beers"
[23:02:00] <sparcdr> durr
[23:02:01] <the-decider> is good the clients don't look at the source before using.
[23:02:11] <libkeiser> the-decider: you were reading CVS source code when you wrote that, weren't you? ;)
[23:02:14] <sparcdr> alanc, i follow the only document if obfuscated or complex method
[23:02:46] <hile_> hey libkeiser
[23:02:57] <libkeiser> evening, hile_
[23:03:11] <sparcdr> if one clearly states functions in a consistent function, then less than likely anyone will have an issue with it.  but alas, people can be dumb when it comes to documentation.
[23:03:17] <sparcdr> *fashion
[23:03:19] * elektronkind goes stabby stabby on the rx code
[23:03:25] <sparcdr> need some tea obviously, i am fail.
[23:03:30] <the-decider> libkeiser: heh, perhaps the AFS/RX code needs some lolcomments.
[23:03:34] * libkeiser takes Rx out back and shoots it with the AFS Glock
[23:03:46] <libkeiser> in fact, lemme drop the entire AFS source tree down the crapper while I'm at it
[23:03:48] <the-decider> elektronkind: make it happen!  Even better, struct members.
[23:04:06] <sparcdr> no worries, i went over a chunk of azureus' network-specific source code and had a good laugh
[23:04:08] <the-decider> I, as your boss, command you!
[23:04:11] <the-decider> (like that ever works.)
[23:04:26] <libkeiser> AFS needs a large rearchitecting, and a 100% rewrite,
[23:04:31] <cmihai> grep for fuck, you can't miss :-)
[23:04:34] <elektronkind> libkeiser: my tests so far have revealed that there's a good chance that rxi_FindIfMTU in rx/SOLARIS/rx_knet.c has always returned -1 for the mtu
[23:04:41] <elektronkind> like, always
[23:04:53] <libkeiser> ROFL
[23:04:54] <the-decider> libkeiser: what's your problem with it?  It has prototypes now (for most functions)... What could be wrong? ;)
[23:04:57] <cmihai>  // Fuck me gently with a chainsaw -> Linux
[23:04:58] <sparcdr> my window size is large.  due to viagra of course
[23:05:13] <hile_> libkeiser, multiple RW replicas would be a great start :)
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[23:05:24] <the-decider> setsockopt( SOCK_VIAGRA )?
[23:05:27] <sparcdr> haha
[23:05:37] <hile_> cmihai, in what source is that?
[23:05:41] <the-decider> used to specify large windows for streaming.
[23:05:43] <cmihai> Linux kernel
[23:05:44] <libkeiser> hile_: a new codebase would be a great start :D
[23:05:50] * libkeiser is grumpy today
[23:05:50] <cmihai> Linus added that commnt.
[23:06:06] <hile_> so am i
[23:06:07] <sparcdr> unfortunately my collaboration software has too many sockets open due to overuse by sex
[23:06:09] <hile_> goddamn Dr appt
[23:06:21] <cmihai> > /* Fuck me gently with a chainsaw... */ > > -/usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/ptrace.c ...
[23:06:28] <the-decider> cmihai: what, the /* this intentionlly removed so AFS doesn't work */ comment? ;)
[23:06:31] <sparcdr> that's unprofessional
[23:06:49] <sparcdr> stating the obvious about the project and fsf in general though :)
[23:07:21] <sparcdr> meh time to unbrick my thinkpad
[23:07:22] <sparcdr> bbl
[23:07:35] <sparcdr> have a nice day cmihai, alanc, the-decider
[23:07:43] <the-decider> enjoy the hacking.
[23:07:49] <sparcdr> blah
[23:07:52] <sparcdr> the-decider, indeed
[23:08:02] <hile_> electronkind - it appears people are getting impatient
[23:08:04] <sparcdr> didnt update one bit and i bricked my SDX
[23:08:12] <hile_> me, I can wait as long as I need to :-)
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[23:08:34] <the-decider> hile_: I can't make it his only work priority, but I wants my exclusive IP zones too ;)
[23:08:40] <elektronkind> hile_: indeed. too bad that I'm uncovering existing bugs as I go along
[23:08:56] <elektronkind> I'm hot for iscsitgtd, so I have my own motivations as well
[23:09:28] <cmihai> > and fuck up the programming interface
[23:09:28] <cmihai>  /* Only Sun can take such nice parts
[23:09:28] <cmihai> > and fuck up the programming interface
[23:09:29] <cmihai> That's another one from Linux code
[23:09:30] <cmihai> http://uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9810.1/1059.html - historical fucks in the Linux kernel :-)
[23:09:34] <the-decider> elektronkind: what, you wanna serve iscsi targets off of AFS volumes? ;)
[23:09:35] <elektronkind> the-decider: it's your damn excluive IP zones that broke this in the first place!
[23:09:44] <the-decider> that are then moutned by AFS servers to serve other AFS volumes?
[23:10:07] <elektronkind> the-decider: yup! my next step is to extend vos. "vos create-iscsi ..."
[23:11:42] <elektronkind> and the iscsi packets would be carried over rxTCP
[23:11:48] <elektronkind> whaddya think, libkeiser???
[23:11:56] <elektronkind> is that cool or WHAT?
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[23:12:19] <Berny> thats sick :-)
[23:12:22] <libkeiser> hey, why don't we require IP over avian carrier while we're at it just to ENSURE high performance
[23:12:40] <hile_> hahahaa
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[23:15:53] <SYS64738> I am trying to make apache2 to start but I have this: [apc-error] apc_sem_create: semget(0,...) failed: No space left on device
[23:15:56] <SYS64738> any idea ?
[23:16:47] <jmcp> SYS64738: yeah, "no space left on device" means "your filesystem is full, choose another one or make some space"
[23:17:05] <SYS64738> I have a lot of free space
[23:17:26] <jmcp> ok, so let's look at the mechanics here. you're trying to do a semaphore operatoin
[23:17:35] <SYS64738> I think is a permission problem, but I don't undertand where it must write and what
[23:17:52] <jmcp> SYS64738: so use dtruss and find out
[23:19:12] <SYS64738> what is dtruss
[23:19:14] <SYS64738> ?
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[23:19:38] <Berny> from the dtrace toolkit
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[23:23:23] <tomww> SYS64738: yes, from the dtrace toolkit, but similar usage then the nromal truss command. very nice.
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[23:24:29] <SYS64738> isn't more simple to turn off the semaphore ?
[23:24:52] <SYS64738> I want only to see a damned php page in my apache
[23:25:10] <Berny> how would apache process communicate with each other then?
[23:25:58] <SYS64738> I don't what are the others
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[23:26:08] <SYS64738> maybe lost island others ?
[23:26:29] <tomww> SYS64738: is your apache running in a zone?
[23:26:31] <Berny> you could use ipcs to check if you have any stale semaphores / shm segments eating up memory
[23:26:35] <SYS64738> tomww, yes
[23:26:46] <tomww> so, is is a spare-zone?
[23:26:55] <tomww> sorry, sparse-zone
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[23:27:23] <Berny> .oO(resource-control.semaphores=0)
[23:27:33] <SYS64738> yes sparse one
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[23:27:58] <SYS64738> two day ago apache worked, but not php with oci8
[23:28:02] <tomww> maybe you hit the thing, where apache wants to create a (special)file at a palce where it is readonly
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[23:28:26] <SYS64738> I take a look to the httpd.conf
[23:28:27] <SYS64738> thanks
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[23:29:05] <Berny> thats a good one tomww
[23:29:13] <holcomb> dladm scan-wifi makes me so happy.  now if connect-wifi would just work
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[23:31:27] <SYS64738> mmm I remember two link creation error while installing the cskamp package
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[23:32:57] <nprice> i downloaded b72 of sxce, does it have the new installer, i didn't notice anything new really...
[23:36:09] <SYS64738> the httd.conf is alright the apache work inside /opt/coolstack/apache2
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[23:41:31] <tomww> SYS64738: you might check if here (regarding apache 2.2.6) int this document: http://tinyurl.com/yo7ojj
[23:42:00] <SYS64738> thanks
[23:42:20] <tomww> SYS64738: and i remember, that apache tries to create a special file at runtime in a readonly-place... but dunno if this is the case with your error.
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[23:43:46] <SYS64738> I don't understand why yesterday it went well
[23:43:57] <SYS64738> s/went/worked
[23:47:27] <tomww> today it blames about something?
[23:49:10] <SYS64738> megadamned world
[23:49:12] <SYS64738> I hate this
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[23:49:48] <SYS64738> log at debug level desn't tell me anything
[23:51:03] <SYS64738> two days to make work the damned php with the damned oci8 and now this
[23:51:19] <SYS64738> I want a new work
[23:51:30] <tomww> hmm. last chance. ./httpd -X -e debug
[23:51:44] <tomww> this starts only one instance IIRC of httpd
[23:51:45] <SYS64738> I would like to work as motocross driver or videogame tester
[23:52:02] <tomww> what a difference :-)
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[23:52:30] <SYS64738> ops
[23:53:02] <SYS64738> I think I have the wrong smf
[23:53:13] <SYS64738> ./httpd worked :)
[23:53:28] <tomww> the one from /opt/somstack/bin/httpd i think
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[23:56:32] <tomww> if you tried smf, would have the logfile in /var/svc/log/<the apropriate logfile here> said somethink usefull?
[23:56:58] <SYS64738> it dont
[23:57:04] <SYS64738> doesn't
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