September 24, 2007 
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September 24, 2007 [00:00:09] <delewis> PerterB: they're 'selected' by an unspecified body. [00:00:15] <PerterB> way to go! [00:00:30] <jbk> i beleive there are laws (though it's per state) as to how they're selected/vote/etc. [00:00:48] <delewis> the fact is this president has declare the constition null and void, and that's a precedent future presidents will take advantage of. [00:01:32] <delewis> Bush has said on numerous occasions how his 'executive authority, as specified by the Constitution' can encompass anything he sees fit. [00:01:35] <kaiwai> its funny then number of 'refugee's' from the US I see here [00:02:55] <delewis> and for something that's technically-related, none of our communications are safe, nowadays. [00:03:22] <delewis> I'm very surprised other nations aren't throwing a fit about that. [00:03:39] <kaiwai> what can 'other nations' do? [00:03:40] <delewis> given all of their Internet communications one way or another are coming to a backbone in the US. [00:03:52] <delewis> kaiwai: setup an independent Internet. [00:03:58] <kaiwai> voice up then get labelled anti-american? [00:05:16] <delewis> pretty much every Tier 1 ISP (these are the ISP's which control all the backbones) have cooperated with the NSA to give them access to the traffic on the lines. [00:05:20] <delewis> s/have/has/ [00:05:33] <kaiwai> mind you, international traffic has been crappy for quite some time - trying to download off the US sun site [00:06:10] <delewis> kaiwai: that's because the Internet *is* the US, and that's all the more reason for you guys (indendepent of the US) to setup an independent Internet that you can govern. [00:06:25] <delewis> all of the Tier 1 ISPs, and thus Internet backbones are US-based. [00:07:15] <WickedWhisky> we have Eurorings here [00:07:16] <delewis> and because all of these Tier 1 ISPs have cooperated with the NSA, your communications aren't safe, and you aren't even citizens. [00:07:45] <flyingparchment> my communications are safe because i encrypt them. why would i trust my own government any more than the US? [00:07:47] <delewis> WickedWhisky: that still doesn't mean your independent. the US Department of Commerce controls all of the root DNS servers. [00:07:53] <kaiwai> hmm, bin laden, jihad, death, america, george bush [00:07:59] <kaiwai> that should set some lights flashing [00:07:59] <WickedWhisky> well, we can forget independentness anyway [00:08:10] <WickedWhisky> since a law got passed that the US can legaly tap all phone traffic here [00:08:18] <delewis> flyingparchment: encryption means little, when the entire session that's encrpyted can be stored later and de-crypted. [00:08:41] <flyingparchment> delewis: if you're going to make up technology, why not assume the NSA can tap fibre from a satellite? [00:09:15] <kaiwai> I'll laugh if there is a war with Iran [00:09:18] <delewis> flyingparchment: that's physically not plausible with our current knowledge. What I just mentioned is plausible; however. [00:09:27] <flyingparchment> delewis: the NSA probably has more knowledge than you. [00:09:48] <delewis> to log traffic in real-time for a pipe that large, you wouldn't even need a filesystem to write the data, and thus you could just use an embedded device with an interface to the pipe to write the data in a linearly fashion. [00:10:05] <flyingparchment> hell, it's not even hard to get physical access to fibre, which is demonstrated by how often it gets cut by accident :) [00:10:07] <delewis> the go back later and create indices into the data that's been written linearly so that it can be looked at on a per IP, per session basis. [00:11:44] <WickedWhisky> delewis, the posibility to do that has to be provided by every voice/IP service provider here, by law [00:11:47] <delewis> flyingparchment: the only thing that fibre leaks is on the spectrum. There's a reason why the government requested that Sun produce Sun Rays which had fibre links, rather than ethernet, which does leak. [00:11:55] <WickedWhisky> in case the justice department wants to trace/track someone [00:11:56] <delewis> infrared* [00:12:17] <delewis> WickedWhisky: we no longer have such laws here [00:12:24] <flyingparchment> delewis: you can splice the fibre and insert your monitoring device in it [00:12:33] <WickedWhisky> we do in NL, dunno about the rest of europe [00:12:34] <delewis> and because the US controls all of the major backbones you, in fact, no longer are subject to those laws, either. [00:12:43] <WickedWhisky> latest discussion is if we should keep email traffic for a year [00:13:05] <delewis> flyingparchment: why splice the fibre when that's already been done? :-) [00:13:08] <kaiwai> that'll be useful for blackmail :) [00:13:35] <flyingparchment> delewis: that's my point, it doesn't matter if the traffic is controlled by the US or not; i really doubt it would be hard for the NSA to get access to fibre in the UK (for example) [00:13:49] <delewis> flyingparchment: google for "room 641a" or look it up on Wikipedia. [00:14:05] <delewis> flyingparchment: it's probable that ISPs in the UK are cooperating with the NSA, as well. [00:14:15] *** hali has quit IRC [00:14:18] *** hali has joined #opensolaris [00:14:22] <delewis> just as AU and the UK cooperated with the US for ECHELON in the early 90s. [00:14:30] <flyingparchment> quite. so why would it matter if we had a european internet? [00:14:51] <delewis> flyingparchment: ah, this is true. [00:14:52] <flyingparchment> oh awesome, i installed an smpatch patch and it broke smpatch [00:15:10] <flyingparchment> root@clematis:~#smpatch update -i 125062-03 [00:15:10] <flyingparchment> Unable to resolve /usr/jdk/jdk1.5.0_12 [00:15:20] <snuff-work> heh nice [00:16:09] <flyingparchment> i guess that's related to 6578377 smpatch should look for and use the correct version of java it requires [00:16:34] <BadKarma> right... world domination on a budget [00:17:18] <kaiwai> dear god hilary is so f*cking irritating [00:17:47] <oninoshiko> of course encryption doesn't permanently protect data, but no data needs permanently protected. it only needs protected for a certain time-frame, after which it is no longer vital to keep secret. [00:18:00] <flyingparchment> how weird, changing $HOME fixed it! [00:19:20] * flyingparchment reads secret bugs on sunsolve until they realise and hide them again [00:19:41] <BadKarma> kaiwai: you know about the petraus ad? [00:19:59] <kaiwai> yeah [00:20:05] <kaiwai> the 'general betray us' thing [00:20:27] <BadKarma> yes [00:20:47] <BadKarma> she is a lawyer, she WOULD NOT ANSWER the question [00:21:17] <kaiwai> more correctly, her voice and mannerism are irritating [00:21:23] <kaiwai> my stomach was churning as she spoke [00:21:41] <delewis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ogfMmDaOI [00:21:48] <BadKarma> no, that's a given, she is a lawyer, and crooked [00:22:02] <delewis> there's an interesting show that Frontline did (that's Pt. 3 which talks about Room 641a and the NSA wiretapping scandal) [00:23:14] <BadKarma> who cares about INTEGRITY, I am a fuckin lawyer, and I want MONEY [00:23:20] <BadKarma> she is annoying heh [00:24:27] <BadKarma> kaiwai: anyway, her not denouncing that ad, cost her a SHITLOAD of points in the polls...which might be a good thing [00:24:32] <kaiwai> almost as bad as the US election ads; its like watching a piss take [00:24:47] <BadKarma> people are starting to go......hmmm, she cares about MONEY.....not the actual COUNTRY [00:25:16] <kaiwai> "Hi, I"m sitting here next to a flag, I've got an apple pie on the window ledge, and I really hate gays! vote for me! I'm for heartland america" followed by some patriotic fanfare [00:25:50] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [00:26:45] <kaiwai> almost as bad as the national party ads of 1984 with the dancing cosak's [00:27:20] <BadKarma> kaiwai: you know who Ted Nugent is? [00:27:32] <kaiwai> WickedWhisky: have fun with this video, http://youtube.com/watch?v=_qf0puHJ-KM [00:27:59] <BadKarma> he is a famous american guitar player from Michigan... he called hilary a "worthless whore" [00:28:00] <kaiwai> BadKarma: the 'conservative singer' who has an album called 'love grenade' [00:28:14] <WickedWhisky> oh jesus christ kadath [00:28:17] <WickedWhisky> kaiwai [00:28:18] <WickedWhisky> lol [00:28:47] <BadKarma> well, they got him on CNN, asking him "you were not serious were you?" [00:29:03] <BadKarma> he said "yes, I was serious, she is a worthless whore" heh [00:29:12] <kaiwai> come on, everyone has a price [00:29:22] <kaiwai> I'm sure someone will pay 50cents for a trick [00:29:29] <WickedWhisky> I used to sing Kinderen voor Kinderen songs at elementry school [00:29:42] <WickedWhisky> I think the world should be happy I didnt proceed in a singing carreer [00:30:07] <BadKarma> WWJC? [00:30:12] <kaiwai> awww, I'm sure you had a angelic voice [00:30:30] <BadKarma> haha [00:30:36] <WickedWhisky> now it's more slayer/cradle of filth I scream :P [00:31:20] <kaiwai> WickedWhisky: ah, so the recipe for a chocolate cake screamed in dutch done to heavy metal backing :) [00:31:30] <WickedWhisky> indeed [00:32:01] <WickedWhisky> sad thing is that when you start to pay attention to most black metal band's lyrics you'll actually start laughing :P [00:32:04] * kaiwai screams "two eggs! beaten to extreme!" [00:32:09] <WickedWhisky> RAWR [00:32:21] <WickedWhisky> \m/ [00:33:47] <kaiwai> and the platnum hit, "I like cute fluffy bunny rabits!" [00:34:26] <WickedWhisky> yes, or, not black metal band but oh so true in power [00:34:29] <WickedWhisky> Manowar [00:34:34] <WickedWhisky> my god, nobody deserves that [00:34:49] <kaiwai> manowar [00:34:57] <WickedWhisky> "by moonlight, we ride, 10.000 side by side, with swords drawn, held high, or whips and armor shine" [00:34:58] <WickedWhisky> I mean [00:34:59] <WickedWhisky> serious [00:35:10] <kaiwai> dear god, the russian rep who can speak english is speaking russian [00:35:11] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [00:35:17] <kaiwai> someone give the guy a bitch slap [00:35:37] <kaiwai> mate, when in rome, do as the romans do [00:35:43] <WickedWhisky> i thought bitch slaps were your expertise [00:36:03] <kaiwai> I tend to be on the end of a bitch slap :P (and it feels good >:) [00:36:13] *** takahide has quit IRC [00:36:43] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [00:36:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [00:37:08] <nrubsig> Anyone flying from europe to the Indiana conference ? [00:37:55] <nrubsig> erm [00:37:56] <nrubsig> Anyone ? [00:37:59] <kaiwai> nope [00:37:59] <jbk> i see two other people with german email address on the list [00:38:00] <kaiwai> too bloody far [00:38:11] <nrubsig> WAKEY WAKEY! GET THE H*LL UP! [00:38:55] * nrubsig pretends to be an alarm clock: <BEEEEP> <BEEEEP> <BEEEEP> <BEEEEP> <MEEEEP> <BEEEEEEP> <BEEEEP> <BEEEEP> <BEEEEPP> <BEEEEP> [00:38:58] <PerterB> keep the noise down, eh? some of us are trying to sleep [00:39:08] * nrubsig tasers PerterB [00:39:29] <PerterB> hmmph [00:39:42] * nrubsig switches to higher voltage [00:39:55] <flyingparchment> i like how the postgres patch includes complete source code for 4 different versions of postgres [00:39:57] * kaiwai says 'do me! do me!' [00:39:59] <nrubsig> PerterB: <bzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzt> [00:40:07] <jbk> nrubsig: is there something specific you're needing to find out? [00:40:09] <PerterB> yeah, do him [00:40:17] <nrubsig> kaiwai: as you wish [00:40:28] <nrubsig> kaiwai: <bzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzt> [00:40:30] <kaiwai> tie me up too >:) [00:40:35] <nrubsig> erm [00:40:40] <nrubsig> kaiwai: no. [00:40:43] <kaiwai> aww :( [00:40:52] <nrubsig> kaiwai: nothing beyyond PG12 in this channel... [00:41:09] * nrubsig shoots kaiwai in the head instead. [00:41:14] *** delewis has quit IRC [00:41:27] * kaiwai shots in delight, depends on which head [00:41:28] <nrubsig> erm, Ok, I shoot kaiwai and delewis dies. [00:41:40] <bda> nrubsig: Awful aim. [00:41:46] <nrubsig> bda: yeah [00:43:08] <kaiwai> on a good side, my ipod works [00:44:07] <nrubsig> jbk: erm, do know on which day the normal people check-in into the hotel for the conference ? [00:44:27] <kaiwai> turn up at the guest and say you're hear for the conference [00:44:41] <nrubsig> ?! [00:44:50] <jbk> i think they're mostly arriving friday afternoon/evening [00:45:04] <jbk> since it looks to start early saturday morning [00:45:22] <kaiwai> sorry, turn up at the desk and ask where the conference is [00:46:07] <jbk> do you have your flight plans yet? [00:46:22] <nrubsig> jbk: I am trying to figure them out right now. [00:46:31] <nrubsig> jbk: that's why I am asking stupid questoins. [00:46:49] <nrubsig> jbk: my problem is: I screw such stuff up all the time. badly. like timezones... [00:46:57] <jbk> i would recommend (if possible) to avoid landing on the east coast and connecting [00:47:08] <nrubsig> jbk: why ? [00:47:10] <jbk> i think california is around 8-10 hours behind you [00:47:27] <jbk> because the eastern corridor is notoriously overcrowded, and you _will_ be delayed [00:47:37] <jbk> probably for several hours [00:47:41] <nrubsig> moan [00:47:47] <nrubsig> jbk: time is essential [00:47:51] <nrubsig> jbk: in my case [00:47:57] <richlowe> flights through the east coast suck. [00:48:02] <jbk> yeah [00:48:05] <richlowe> that said, it also cuts the flight up from there nicely. [00:48:13] <richlowe> given he's 8 hours from the east coast, and another 8 to the west... [00:48:21] <jbk> i had to fly out to kennedy a few months ago [00:48:44] <jbk> flight was delayed 3 1/2 hours or so going there [00:48:49] <jbk> flight back was delayed 4 hours [00:49:03] <jbk> around 3 of which were sitting on the tarmac, waiting in line to take off [00:49:55] <jbk> (and it was a clear day) [00:50:13] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [00:53:54] <oninoshiko> the state of US airways is abysmal [00:56:03] <kaiwai> who owns the airports? [00:56:42] <jbk> usually it's some local municipal authority [00:56:49] <jbk> it's a somewhat complex issue [00:58:02] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [00:58:09] <jbk> the air traffic control system (managed by the faa) needs improvements, but also, the airlines are trying to stuff more flights in (with smaller planes) than what the airspace can realistically manage (because they want to be seen as having more departure options), forcing delays [00:59:02] *** bunker has quit IRC [00:59:46] <nrubsig> moan [01:00:01] <nrubsig> I hate this travel setup stuff. [01:11:36] *** Hunger- has quit IRC [01:11:45] <flyingparchment> installing patches in zones is slow :( [01:11:53] <flyingparchment> although faster than on separate systems i suppose [01:11:55] *** estibi has quit IRC [01:14:52] *** Hunger- has joined #opensolaris [01:15:40] *** estibi_ has quit IRC [01:15:56] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer [01:18:08] <oninoshiko> it also is a problem that the system is a "hub-and-spoke" system. it would be far more functional if the smaller airports were used more as primary destinations and intermediate destinations (such as Midway in Chicago). [01:18:48] <jbk> heh.. i always fly into midway when i'm visiting family [01:19:07] <jbk> even with all the build up in the past few years, still much less hassle than o'hare [01:19:39] <oninoshiko> of course they need to pull immanent domain and expand Midway, its dangerous for the larger planes they are moving through there [01:19:47] <oninoshiko> vary true [01:20:15] <jmcp> gday Chip [01:20:23] <Chipdancer> morning [01:20:39] *** flyingparchment has quit IRC [01:20:46] <jbk> heh.. it's always fun driving down cicero ave as planes are landing :) [01:20:47] <Chipdancer> so your putbacks etc are all done, in, working etc? [01:20:58] <jbk> (the runway is like 50 ft from the street) [01:22:09] <jmcp> Chipdancer: mostly [01:22:10] <oninoshiko> but it becomes even more pronounced when you consider, for example, that i cant fly into Willard airport, in Champaign, i have to hop a connecting flight at either Midway or O'hare. [01:22:11] <jmcp> one niggle remaining [01:22:39] <jbk> it'd be nice if they expanded gary's airport [01:22:41] <oninoshiko> its not that funny... we had a 747 (i beleave) "land" on someone house. [01:22:52] <jbk> but daly will never allow it [01:23:08] <oninoshiko> daly is a corrupt twit [01:23:15] <jbk> well it is chicago :) [01:23:19] <jbk> that's somewhat redundant [01:23:40] <oninoshiko> touche [01:23:43] <jbk> but even building a 3rd airport in peotone i think will be too far from downtown to be useful [01:24:19] <oninoshiko> not really, even if they are used primarily for connecting flights, that seems useful to me [01:24:35] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [01:24:37] <jbk> i wouldn't mind it [01:24:46] <jbk> it'd be like a 15 min drive to my parents place [01:25:07] <oninoshiko> but what do i know? i move bits for a living. [01:25:43] *** WickedWhisky is now known as WickySleep [01:25:45] <jbk> but gary at least is already there, closer to the loop [01:25:46] <WickySleep> night all! [01:25:49] <jbk> and despite it's reputation [01:25:53] <oninoshiko> night wicky [01:25:54] <bda> http://sd4.sd-lj.si/diggit/20yago.jpg [01:26:13] <jbk> if it's a source of tax revnue, the city _WILL_ make sure there are no problems [01:27:13] <oninoshiko> BDA: cool pic [01:28:04] <oninoshiko> does that say 170 lbs on it? [01:29:17] <jbk> looks like it [01:30:45] *** flyingparchment has joined #opensolaris [01:30:58] <flyingparchment> what is libfsmdb.so and where did it go? suddenly QFS is failing to start on boot [01:31:20] <PerterB> did you check behind the sofa? [01:32:46] *** axisys has quit IRC [01:32:53] <oninoshiko> i hate it when i loose libraries behind the sofa [01:33:02] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [01:33:14] * holcomb shudders [01:34:47] <flyingparchment> weird, apparently it's meant to be provided by a package/patch that i have installed, but it's definitely not there [01:36:12] <oninoshiko> because then i forget about, and i wake up in the middle of the night to a bunch of MSes in libraries science all getting riled up because its "banned book week" [01:37:07] <oninoshiko> ohh!! my pizza is almost done ^_^ [01:37:40] <kaiwai> ooh [01:37:57] <kaiwai> oninoshiko: you japanese? [01:38:37] <oninoshiko> no. [01:39:13] <kaiwai> somewhere from in asia? [01:39:51] * oninoshiko is really from illinois (hence me and jbk complaining about chicago) [01:40:26] <kaiwai> ah, just looking at the nickname [01:40:29] <kaiwai> assumed you were [01:41:24] <oninoshiko> ahh... that did start as kinda a joke... it is japanese... [01:41:31] *** yarihm has quit IRC [01:41:36] <PerterB> it would also be a girl's name in japanese :) [01:41:49] <oninoshiko> that is true [01:42:27] <holcomb> does ral support wpa? [01:43:35] <kaiwai> nope [01:43:45] <kaiwai> the only thing that supports wpa is the atheros chipset [01:43:46] <holcomb> fizznuck [01:43:53] <kaiwai> and yes, I know it sucks [01:44:15] <holcomb> well... it's okay. i just sort of found an ral card in the closet. can't really expect much [01:44:23] <oninoshiko> you all shouldnt be cluttering up my airwaves with your encrypted communication anyway [01:47:14] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [01:57:07] *** ferret_0567_ has joined #opensolaris [01:58:30] *** ferret_0567_ has quit IRC [02:01:50] *** jmcp has quit IRC [02:02:01] *** ferret_0567_ has joined #opensolaris [02:02:02] <flyingparchment> okay, installing patches on a system with 14 zones in single user mode is unpleasant. it has to boot every zone :( [02:02:10] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:02:14] <flyingparchment> (which takes rather a long time thanks to this broken raid array) [02:02:26] <delewis> flyingparchment: yep. [02:02:49] <flyingparchment> i have 39 patches to install, this will be fun. ;) [02:03:25] <delewis> then again, consider going around to 39 individual systems and patching them. :-) [02:03:42] <flyingparchment> heh, yeah. [02:03:51] <delewis> er, 14. [02:03:54] <flyingparchment> i wonder if i can disable iscsi while i'm doing this, it only takes so long because devfsadm has to time out for every zone [02:07:00] <oninoshiko> hrm... why don't you do something about the raid array? [02:07:59] <flyingparchment> it's an infortrend array, i'm not sure it's physically possible for it to work correctly [02:08:24] * oninoshiko feels like the little kid pointing and asking why the emperor is in his skivies [02:09:35] <oninoshiko> never worked with their kit... is it really that bad? [02:10:06] <flyingparchment> well.. it basically works. but it has lots of small, annoying problems. [02:10:15] *** Jondice has quit IRC [02:10:16] <flyingparchment> like this one, or the one where the telnet/ssh interface will stop working for no reason [02:10:34] <flyingparchment> the array part is fine, and it has decent performance [02:11:31] <flyingparchment> i wouldn't recommend it unless you have almost no money, like us :) [02:12:05] <oninoshiko> we are just using solaris, iscsitgtd, all on zfs [02:12:10] <delewis> flyingparchment: what does Wikimedia use for a database, anyway? (I assume this also encompasses Wikipedia) [02:12:27] *** gpoo has joined #opensolaris [02:12:31] <flyingparchment> delewis: mysql on linux on whitebox or dell servers with 6-10 internal disks [02:12:51] <flyingparchment> (except the part i run, which runs solaris on sun or dell servers with external infortrend arrays) [02:12:52] <delewis> flyingparchment: do you know off the top of your head how big the Wikipedia database is at the moment? (just curious) [02:13:15] <flyingparchment> delewis: metadata is about.. 500GB (guess), text is ~2.2TB in the on-disk format [02:13:26] <delewis> cool. [02:13:38] <flyingparchment> (on-disk is gzipped and stored in mysql) [02:14:10] <delewis> so for a given article, it has to be un-gzipped to be read by a user? [02:14:14] <oninoshiko> although i think we might be encoutering Ben Rockwell's little "ZIL is slow" problem... I'm going to be running some tests about that this week, and look into moving the ZIL to another device if it is the problem [02:14:41] <flyingparchment> delewis: yes. it's stored on a separate mysql on an apache (using cheap sata disks) [02:14:50] <flyingparchment> delewis: when someone views an article, its retrieved, uncompressed and formatted [02:14:57] <delewis> hmm, interesting. [02:15:12] <flyingparchment> it's very ghetto but it actually works fairly well. [02:15:17] <delewis> I've never seen a performance issue with Wikipedia. Perhaps you guys should consider writing a paper on how you do things. It'd be an interesting read, IMO. [02:15:25] <flyingparchment> except when someone puts all replicas of one external cluster on the same power circuit, and the power fails ;) [02:15:34] <oninoshiko> LOL [02:15:40] <flyingparchment> delewis: there have been a couple, let me find .. [02:16:20] <delewis> then again, the MySQL mantra seems to be performance at the cost of integrity. :-) [02:16:35] <delewis> which is something you guys don't have to worry about since you aren't doing transactions or anything like that. [02:16:39] <flyingparchment> delewis: http://dammit.lt/2007/04/29/wikipedia-site-internals-etc-the-workbook/ [02:16:43] <flyingparchment> we do use transactions! [02:16:46] <jbk> must be why it's such a good fit with linux :) [02:16:49] <iron_angel> though of late mysql has gotten better about integrity while postgres has gotten better about speed. [02:16:50] <flyingparchment> obviously not important ones involving money though :) [02:17:09] <delewis> flyingparchment: is each 'edit' considered a transaction? [02:17:13] <flyingparchment> mysql is definitely not the most reliable database around. when it works, it's okay, but the failure modes tend to be awful [02:17:17] <flyingparchment> delewis: yes [02:17:22] <delewis> makes sense. [02:17:46] <flyingparchment> (ex: if a master runs out of disk space, it becomes inconsistent with slaves and has to be re-initialised) [02:18:15] <oninoshiko> solution: dont run out of disk space :p [02:18:59] <delewis> flyingparchment: have you guts run into a situation where you've loss data because of that? [02:19:12] <delewis> s/guts/guys/ [02:19:15] <flyingparchment> yes, when it happens the most recent few edits are lost [02:19:20] <flyingparchment> well.. [02:19:30] <flyingparchment> actually, i think we have a php script to retrieve them from the broken master and re-apply them ;) [02:19:43] <flyingparchment> it hasn't happened for a while, we have better monitoring now [02:19:57] <flyingparchment> used to be no-one would even notice a disk was filling up until it was full [02:20:14] <oninoshiko> See? there is my solution in action! ^_- [02:20:35] * oninoshiko is slightly amused [02:21:01] * delewis knows what it's like working for a non-profit organization with little money. [02:21:23] <delewis> therefore, I'm not foreign to such solutions. :-) [02:21:54] <oninoshiko> probably smiler to a start up... unfortunately not something i havent done <.< >.> [02:22:31] <flyingparchment> for a long time we didn't even have any paid technical employees [02:22:40] <flyingparchment> now there are a couple full/part-time people around to fix this stuff [02:23:45] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [02:24:14] <delewis> generally, from my experience with non-profits, you might have a few people that are technically competent but obviously short on cash, so you see those people being forced to generate solutions that a larger organization with a real budget might not come up with, because they're used to throwing money at a problem. [02:25:23] <flyingparchment> yes. if we had (much) more money, a lot of things would've been done differently [02:25:34] * oninoshiko nods "sounds familiar" [02:26:58] <delewis> I recently implemented an offsite replication solution for a non-profit that didn't have the cash to purchase a decent tape library (which would be the corporate solution to the problem). I did it by throwing a 1U system at a colo with 2x500GB SATA disks and using ZFS snapshots+compression and rsync on the client side so they'd get roughly 14 days of retention for 300GB of data. Anyone that's worked with tape knows that kind of [02:27:43] <delewis> and even with tape, you aren't going to have instanteous access to your data that's part of the retention set. [02:30:27] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [02:31:08] <flyingparchment> how do i start sam-fsd in single-user mode? [02:31:09] <kaiwai> delewis; neat setup [02:31:59] <delewis> kaiwai: thanks. Like I said, when you're working within such confines, you tend to generate solutions that work, and aren't always hackish. [02:32:49] <delewis> the only way tape would be more beneficial is if the volume of data were much larger. Fortunately, that wasn't the case, and this solution is able to guarantee data integrity, which is also something tape cannot promise. [02:33:26] <flyingparchment> hm.. init 2; init s works ;) [02:33:35] <flyingparchment> yay, no more slow array. [02:35:12] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC [02:36:22] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [02:37:53] *** ferret_0567_ has quit IRC [02:39:31] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [02:42:50] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [02:44:25] <oninoshiko> YAY! [02:46:07] *** nrubsig changes topic to "Latest SXCE 72 | Latest ON 73 | Starter kits: http://get.opensolaris.org | Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ | Twitter: http://twitter.com/opensolaris" [02:47:24] <flyingparchment> patchadd is annoying me, when i try to add multiple patches, it just says "No patches to check dependency." [02:47:51] * oninoshiko doesnt see what changed in the topic 0.0 [02:52:48] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [02:54:25] <flyingparchment> http://rafb.net/p/dRye9U97.html < any ideas? [02:55:49] <flyingparchment> oh, apparently patchadd -M doesn't work with jar patches [03:04:50] <kaiwai> unzip then do patchadd <patch> [03:05:10] <flyingparchment> i unzipped them and used patchadd -M, this time it worked :) [03:05:28] <flyingparchment> (adding several at once is much faster with several zones - for a single patch you can just patchadd the jar) [03:11:01] <flyingparchment> ... still takes a while though. *twiddle* [03:11:06] <flyingparchment> delewis: did you look at that url? [03:11:25] *** binarycrusader has joined #opensolaris [03:17:35] *** peemus has joined #opensolaris [03:31:36] <flyingparchment> man, every new kernel patch comes with an even more convoluted installation procedure [03:32:21] <flyingparchment> the current one requires a patch that requires an obsolete patch which is obsoleted by the kernel patch [03:32:53] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [03:33:12] <delewis> flyingparchment: obvious question, but I assume those patches have been unzip'd? [03:33:30] <delewis> oh, nevermind. [03:33:33] * delewis didn't scroll up enough [03:33:52] <Odin-> The Solaris Trusted Extensions stuff ... is that part of OpenSolaris, or not? [03:34:09] <flyingparchment> delewis: yeah. it confused me because you don't need to do that for a single patch. [03:34:32] <delewis> oh, you mean the Wikipedia internals URL? yep. Interesting stuff. I had a friend that asked me last week if I knew what Wikipedia did internally for a database, etc. so I'm sure he'll be interested in reading it, as well. [03:37:31] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris [03:37:35] *** hali has quit IRC [03:37:58] <flyingparchment> i never actually read the presentation, but people keep saying its good ;) [03:38:34] <Tempt> Presentations are always good when you don't read them. You can't be disappointed that way. [03:43:35] *** Sup3rkiddo has quit IRC [03:44:28] <oninoshiko> GTG, they are kicking me out, here at panera bread [03:46:05] <holcomb> haha [03:49:48] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [03:51:49] *** nostoi has quit IRC [03:55:30] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [03:55:49] <flyingparchment> hmm, fun new error: http://rafb.net/p/aaNYSA87.html [04:02:26] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [04:07:11] <delewis> I've never seen that one before. What's the state of the zone? [04:07:17] <flyingparchment> halted [04:07:25] <flyingparchment> if it's running, i get a different error ('zone must be halted') [04:07:27] <delewis> but you've installed it, right? [04:07:31] <flyingparchment> yes [04:07:36] <delewis> odd. [04:07:41] <flyingparchment> every other patch applies fine to the zones, just this one doesn't [04:08:37] <delewis> the only time I've seen 'unable to mount zone' was when the zone wasn't installed. [04:09:00] <flyingparchment> i wonder if it's confused because one of the zone's filesystems is on a qfs/iscsi fs [04:10:54] <delewis> that could be it, I guess. Are you directly mounting that filesystem on the zone is it mounted through the global zone and shared to the local zone? [04:11:06] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [04:11:07] <delewis> s/zone is/zone or is/ [04:11:36] <flyingparchment> it's shared. the zone root is in /zones (on the root fs) and there's an additional fs (the qfs one) mounted via lofs [04:11:58] <delewis> try removing that from the zone's configuration [04:12:27] <flyingparchment> i will in a sec - as all 13 zones have the mount i was hoping to find another solution ;) [04:13:26] <delewis> well, you don't have to alter the other zone's config. Just use zonecfg for that particular zone and 'remove fs dir=whatever' [04:14:26] <flyingparchment> okay, now i get the error for the next zone instead. i guess i'll remove it from them all and put it back later [04:15:16] <delewis> you might want to report that as a bug. [04:15:46] <flyingparchment> yeah. if the guy who buys stuff wasn't on holiday for the last two weeks, i could open a support case [04:15:51] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [04:17:22] <flyingparchment> (apparently he comes back on monday, yay) [04:18:07] *** Odin- has quit IRC [04:18:22] <delewis> hey, hile_ [04:19:49] <hile_> hey derek [04:19:51] <hile_> what's shakin? [04:20:48] <delewis> not much. you? [04:20:55] <hile_> not much [04:21:01] <hile_> work in the a.m. [04:21:06] <hile_> which sucks [04:21:08] <hile_> it needs to be wednesday [04:21:17] <hile_> damn appointments on Tuesday. [04:22:10] *** xuewei has joined #opensolaris [04:26:03] <delewis> fun, fun. [04:27:46] *** nicoAMG has joined #opensolaris [04:27:51] <binarycrusader> anyone here ever use the cadimum hg extension? [04:28:45] <nicoAMG> Hello! [04:31:25] *** andy_ has joined #opensolaris [04:31:52] *** Andy_Pease has quit IRC [04:36:26] *** hali has joined #opensolaris [04:36:53] *** hali_ has quit IRC [04:38:31] *** peemus has left #opensolaris [04:46:29] <axisys> is there anyway to find out what part of the libkernel50.so`_wuEarlyLoadLib+0xc8 and libkernel50.so`LocalAlloc+0x20 produced that 112 byte memory leaks in here http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708648 [04:46:57] <axisys> how do I pass this function thru c++filt within mdb? [04:48:50] <jamesd> axisys, probably best to use a memory lib that tracks leaks... [04:49:00] <axisys> I tried echo 'libkernel50.so`_wuEarlyLoadLib+0xc8' | c++filt and got nothing [04:49:16] <axisys> jamesd: I did [04:49:32] <axisys> jamesd: I used this trick http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/solaris_10_top_11_20 [04:50:14] <axisys> pldd 4136 | grep libumem [04:50:20] <axisys> /lib/libumem.so.1 [04:50:51] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris [04:55:46] <flyingparchment> axisys: that's not a C++ mangled function [04:56:41] <jbk> two lines above it is [04:57:09] <flyingparchment> oh, didn't look at the paste. yes, that one is, but the one he pasted here isn't [04:57:47] <flyingparchment> is this ported Windows code or something? [04:57:50] <axisys> jbk, flyingparchment so you mean line 18 and line 37 ? [04:58:02] <flyingparchment> axisys: yes [04:58:07] <jbk> and 36 [05:01:11] <axisys> hmm those gave me http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708744 [05:01:24] <axisys> so would this be exact code [05:01:30] <axisys> ? [05:01:35] <flyingparchment> that's the function [05:01:42] <flyingparchment> as a C++ prototype instead of the mangled name [05:02:09] <axisys> I dont have access to it .. i guess I can ask netcool vendor to take a look at it for memory leaks [05:02:12] <axisys> ?! [05:02:21] *** vijay has joined #opensolaris [05:02:29] <flyingparchment> i don't think that's where the leak is [05:02:38] <flyingparchment> unless it's calling LoadLibrary and not unloading it, or so [05:02:55] <flyingparchment> ps seeing AfxDllMain on unix is pretty funny :) [05:03:18] <axisys> flyingparchment: why? educate me pls [05:03:29] <axisys> why funny that is [05:03:55] <flyingparchment> dllmain, loadlibrary, afx... these are all windows functions [05:04:02] <axisys> flyingparchment: hehe [05:04:11] <flyingparchment> dllmain is the win32 version of _init [05:04:16] <axisys> i guess netcool guys compiled all these in windows env [05:04:18] <axisys> haha [05:05:14] <flyingparchment> awesome, kernel patch didn't brick my system [05:06:02] <axisys> so isn't line 16 and line 35 where the memory leaks according to the buffer audit? [05:06:33] <flyingparchment> yeah, but it could be that it's only leaked because something higher up forgot to call a free-type function [05:06:34] <axisys> never done memory leak debug like this.. hence the stupid questions if that be [05:07:11] <axisys> flyingparchment: is there a to get little closer? [05:07:19] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [05:07:20] <axisys> to the actual problem [05:07:25] <flyingparchment> i don't know, i've not actually used umem/mdb before [05:07:26] <jbk> you want to load libumem with LD_PRELOAD, let it run for a while, then run gcore [05:07:38] <jbk> and then run mdb on it [05:07:46] <axisys> jbk: it is running like that .. [05:08:11] <jbk> of course if they're calling brk() directly, libumem won't help [05:08:14] <axisys> jbk: do i necessarily need to create a gcore? or can i just attach to the process as well? [05:08:31] <jbk> gcore pid [05:09:00] <axisys> jbk: yep.. i was just wondering if i need to necessarily create the core file [05:09:12] <axisys> jbk: unless u meant two core file [05:09:15] <axisys> jbk: one now [05:09:18] <axisys> jbk: and one later [05:09:39] <jbk> no, just do it after it's been running for a while [05:09:46] <axisys> jbk: aight [05:13:17] *** baijiutong has quit IRC [05:19:04] *** peemus has joined #opensolaris [05:23:56] <axisys> flyingparchment: check this out http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708773 [05:24:26] <axisys> a 60 sec probe to on syscall shows windows library on ustack [05:24:44] <axisys> ncserver`__1cHCWinAppMInitInstance6M_i_+0x10 [05:24:51] <axisys> i guess that is funny [05:25:25] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris [05:25:48] *** hali has quit IRC [05:26:17] *** vijay has quit IRC [05:26:53] <lloy0076> Does vmware run under Solaris these days? [05:27:02] <flyingparchment> no [05:27:06] <flyingparchment> but xen is about to be integrated [05:27:19] <flyingparchment> and i think kqemu works now [05:30:51] *** perlmonk has joined #opensolaris [05:32:05] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [05:32:08] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [05:32:35] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [05:32:36] *** WifiJane has quit IRC [05:33:08] *** WifiJane has joined #opensolaris [05:37:39] <flyingparchment> ooh, exciting new columns in 'zoneadm list' [05:39:00] <Tempt> haha [05:39:02] <Tempt> Indeed [05:39:16] <Tempt> BRAND and IP, right? [05:39:19] <flyingparchment> yep [05:39:27] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [05:40:00] <flyingparchment> i wonder if the KU has enough of the update to make either of them actually work.. [05:42:26] <Tempt> Hmmm [05:42:32] <Tempt> I wonder if I can LU a 7 box to 10 somehow [05:42:45] <flyingparchment> 7 -> 9. 9 -> 10? [05:43:38] *** root has joined #opensolaris [05:43:50] <Tempt> Oh, no way [05:44:08] <Tempt> Basically, the host has no DVD drive, I can't be bothered downloading CD images and there's no machine around to use for jumpstart. [05:44:13] <Tempt> So I'm trying to find a cheat's way in. [05:44:51] *** root has quit IRC [05:49:12] <g4lt-sb100> why do you have to LU, can't you just jumpstart? [05:49:38] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [05:51:11] *** _hsilva has joined #opensolaris [05:53:39] *** monsterb has joined #opensolaris [05:53:50] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [05:54:14] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [05:54:19] <monsterb> hi all [05:54:42] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [05:56:05] <Tempt> g4lt-sb100: there's no machine around to use for jumpstart. [05:56:42] *** billbrasky has joined #opensolaris [05:56:44] <g4lt-sb100> that would crimp one's style [05:56:49] <Tempt> Yeah [05:56:52] <Tempt> I know [05:56:55] <g4lt-sb100> how did you propose to LU though? [05:56:58] <Tempt> I'm only here for 2 and a bit more days ... [05:57:05] <flyingparchment> got a spare laptop? [05:57:09] <Tempt> Nope. [05:57:24] <Tempt> Besides, this place and the inherant culture of stupidity speaks of no jumpstart. [05:57:38] <Tempt> Because if someone was to jumpstart something, the incumbent may have to learn something about jumpstart. [05:57:46] <Tempt> AND THAT WOULD NEVER DO, OH NOES, IT WOULD NOT. [05:58:07] *** binarycrusader has left #opensolaris [05:58:14] * monsterb is trying OpenSolaris for the 1st time. [05:58:53] <g4lt-sb100> wait, you don't have a laptop jumpstart server? and you call yourself a solaris admin? ;P [05:59:03] <Tempt> My laptop is at home, I'm not going home for it. [05:59:19] <flyingparchment> load average: 1.63, 22.33, 326.66 < dead nfs server causes funny load spikes when it reappears.. [05:59:28] <Tempt> Frankly, I'm thinking I might just give up and leave it to be someone else's problem. [05:59:45] *** monsterb has quit IRC [06:01:24] *** andy_ has quit IRC [06:01:30] *** andy_ has joined #opensolaris [06:01:31] *** Gman has quit IRC [06:03:07] <flyingparchment> that's weird. i have no console login prompt. [06:03:24] <flyingparchment> ttymon is running though.. [06:03:57] *** flyingparchment has quit IRC [06:03:58] *** __hsilva has quit IRC [06:04:43] *** flyingparchment has joined #opensolaris [06:07:26] *** peemus has left #opensolaris [06:21:45] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [06:27:49] <flyingparchment> i want an ldap server. do i install "java identity management suite" or "directory server EE"? [06:28:01] *** gpoo has quit IRC [06:28:15] <LeftWing> flyingparchment: I believe the latter is a subset of the former. [06:28:30] <flyingparchment> i see. i'll take that one then. [06:28:41] <flyingparchment> i also notice it's 6.0, but the download page said 6.2... maybe i need to install the patch as well [06:31:04] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [06:39:23] *** hali has joined #opensolaris [06:40:08] *** hali_ has quit IRC [06:41:15] <asyd> \_o< [06:41:25] <flyingparchment> hrm, directory server requires a contract-only solaris patch [06:41:28] <flyingparchment> that's kinda lame [06:55:47] <quasi> morning [06:56:34] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [07:01:10] <jbk> evening [07:02:31] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris [07:07:57] <oninoshiko> whatever time of day you feel is appropriate [07:08:33] * oninoshiko hates ostracising people [07:09:11] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [07:11:15] *** nicoAMG has quit IRC [07:13:58] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [07:18:24] * flyingparchment is confused about JES licensing [07:18:29] <flyingparchment> if i don't want support, can i use it free of charge? [07:18:49] *** halton has quit IRC [07:20:48] <quasi> flyingparchment: that's usually the case [07:24:05] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [07:26:23] <oninoshiko> wow... i just read the fsf's "whats wrong with vista page..." [07:26:40] <oninoshiko> it almost makes me consider vista a viable operating system [07:27:13] <oninoshiko> they really need to do some serious improvement on their rhetoric. [07:28:02] <oninoshiko> the only two problems they cite are "the license sucks" and "DRM sucks" [07:29:39] *** billbrasky has quit IRC [07:31:13] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [07:31:56] <g4lt-sb100> oninoshiko, the minor fact that the market has spoken on vista notwithstanding? [07:33:21] <lloy0076> But the FSF would declare a PERFECT piece of software wrong if it weren't GPL. [07:33:41] <Tempt> Yep. [07:33:56] <Tempt> They'd declare a perfect piece of software wrong for being GPLv2 instead of v3. [07:34:01] * lloy0076 hmmm [07:34:05] <lloy0076> OMG [07:34:28] <lloy0076> That's why all the major religions have gotten it wrong. [07:34:37] <lloy0076> Their Diety won't share the source to their prophecies! [07:34:40] * lloy0076 mwahahahahaha [07:35:41] *** yongsun has left #opensolaris [07:36:00] <g4lt-sb100> lloy0076, they did, solaris ;P [07:37:46] *** dunc has quit IRC [07:38:31] <lloy0076> Mind you, to be fair to the FSF, they're really only concerned with licensing and their definition of 'freedom'; so it could be seen as superfluous for them to comment on other things. [07:38:40] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris [07:38:55] *** hali has quit IRC [07:44:42] <oninoshiko> i suppose that's true, but i, along with the rest of the world, could give a rat's ass about licensing [07:45:22] <oninoshiko> the only reason i prefer open source licenses is that they tend to facilitate getting things fix [07:45:52] <oninoshiko> fixed* [07:47:23] <oninoshiko> g4lt-sb100: and i don't think vista adoption is much worse then XP. it will follow hardware replacement (not that it couldn't... i mean look at that requirement list -.-) [07:59:18] *** andy__ has joined #opensolaris [07:59:46] <flyingparchment> what LDAP class represents a UNIX account? [07:59:59] <jbk> posixaccount usually [08:00:06] <asyd> posixAccount and shadowAccount [08:00:28] <flyingparchment> that's what i thought, but sun ds doesn't offer that. only posixGroup [08:00:53] <flyingparchment> only relevant looking thing is User - inetOrgPerson [08:00:57] *** andy_ has quit IRC [08:02:56] *** Pedro1 has quit IRC [08:04:20] <jbk> flyingparchment: normally the idsconfig script adds the needed classes [08:06:24] <flyingparchment> hrm, posixAccount _is_ in the list of object classes.. but not in the list of classes i can select for my new object [08:06:29] * flyingparchment is missing something [08:06:48] <jbk> it's an auxiliary class [08:07:13] <jbk> i.e. you have to have something else first [08:07:18] <jbk> and then add it on top [08:07:19] <flyingparchment> oic [08:07:26] <flyingparchment> so i create an inetOrgPerson, say, then give him a posixAccount [08:07:30] <jbk> yes [08:08:10] *** crib has quit IRC [08:09:19] *** crib has joined #opensolaris [08:13:15] *** Das_Gekt is now known as Gekz [08:15:37] *** mac- has left #opensolaris [08:18:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:21:51] <flyingparchment> sigh.. i need a really stupid person's guide to ldap [08:25:18] <flyingparchment> i created an inetOrgPerson, but i see no way to give it a posixAccount [08:28:42] *** oninoshik1 has joined #opensolaris [08:32:25] <flyingparchment> okay, managed it by editing the text of the entry manually [08:34:48] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [08:43:30] *** oninoshik2 has joined #opensolaris [08:44:09] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [08:48:03] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:49:59] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [08:55:59] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [09:02:43] *** oninoshik1 has quit IRC [09:07:48] *** hali_ is now known as hali [09:08:24] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [09:15:51] *** madhatter has joined #opensolaris [09:15:58] <madhatter> Morning [09:16:11] *** jwit has quit IRC [09:16:11] *** phips has quit IRC [09:18:34] <madhatter> jmcp: I got the wrong controller, it seems. [09:19:08] <jmcp> madhatter: darn :( [09:19:12] <madhatter> jmcp: Talked to the guy who posted that he has it running. He got something mixed up: he uses a different controller ;) [09:19:19] <jmcp> ah [09:19:22] <jmcp> sorry to hear that [09:19:36] <madhatter> jmcp: I hope I can return it and then I will try another one... [09:19:43] <jmcp> good luck [09:19:55] <madhatter> Thanks [09:19:58] *** phips has joined #opensolaris [09:20:05] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [09:20:06] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:21:12] *** vrthra has joined #opensolaris [09:22:40] * flyingparchment applies beer to fridge [09:22:41] *** jwit has joined #opensolaris [09:23:24] *** vrthra has quit IRC [09:25:45] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris [09:26:04] <quasi> why are you pouring beer on your fridge? [09:26:24] *** vrthra has joined #opensolaris [09:26:25] * e^ipi applies beer to liver [09:26:25] <e^ipi> after it passes through my digestive system and bloodstream, anyways [09:27:29] <flyingparchment> hm, i have a manual page for /usr/sbin/directoryserver, but the actual binary is missing [09:27:38] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [09:29:52] <Tempt> muahahahaaaha [09:29:54] <Tempt> haha. [09:29:55] <Tempt> HA. [09:30:00] <Tempt> (sorry) [09:30:40] <Tempt> flyingparchment: I'm going to try and colaborate to get a walkthrough for authentication that actually works properly done this week [09:30:52] <flyingparchment> Tempt: oh please do. [09:31:07] <Tempt> AFAIK, /usr/sbin/directoryserver went away with 10FCS - it was a sol9 thing [09:31:09] <Tempt> (!) [09:31:30] <flyingparchment> hmm, does that mean i shouldn't have used idsconfig either? [09:31:50] <flyingparchment> idsconfig is what told me to run directoryserver :) [09:32:22] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [09:32:37] <Tempt> flyingparchment: I know someone around here who has done it before and had it working, so I'll log the whole thing and share [09:32:41] <Tempt> ummn [09:32:43] <Tempt> Did you do this in a zone? [09:33:20] <flyingparchment> yes [09:33:29] <Tempt> excellent [09:33:35] <Tempt> Much easier to zorch and reinstall a zone [09:33:35] <flyingparchment> i installed 'shared components' in the global zone and the server itself in a zone, like the docs said [09:34:01] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:34:09] <Tempt> LDAP auth is the most pathetically documented thing on Solaris [09:34:30] <Tempt> and it isn't helped by a lot of third party books on Solaris being COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG [09:34:40] <Tempt> usually because they wrote it for Sol8 and never tested their methods against anything newer [09:35:10] <lloy0076> Wrong documentation adds to the flavour. [09:35:12] <lloy0076> :( [09:35:19] <Tempt> anyway, off home for me ... [09:35:25] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [09:35:50] <quasi> Tempt: amazon has "The Sun Geeks Guide To Native LDAP: A Native LDAP Blueprint" [09:36:26] <flyingparchment> hey, it works! [09:36:40] *** Nikutaro has joined #opensolaris [09:37:24] * flyingparchment opens a beer to celebrate [09:37:56] <Nikutaro> Hello. I need a little help. I installed the latest community edition, but even though I choose the Japanese localisation, there is no japanese input method installed. How can I install this? Sorry for my English. [09:38:13] <flyingparchment> btw, i thought the client side of ldap was pretty well documented, but i guess it's fairly trivial [09:38:20] <flyingparchment> (then again, i didn't mess with kerberos or anything yet) [09:38:40] <jmcp> Nikutaro: have you logged in with the JDS aka Gnome desktop? [09:38:47] <Nikutaro> jmcp: Yes. [09:39:10] <Nikutaro> jmcp: With Solaris 10 of before, it was no problem. Now if I look in the input methods setup panel, there's nothing listed [09:39:30] <jmcp> did you choose a Japanese locale setting at the login screen? [09:39:46] <Nikutaro> Nope. I'm using the English locale, but want to have Japanese input. [09:39:49] <jmcp> ah [09:39:58] <flyingparchment> did you select a UTF-8 english locale? [09:40:04] <jmcp> my question exactly [09:40:36] *** alfred has joined #opensolaris [09:40:41] <Nikutaro> jmcp: As far as I can remember, it's not option on the new installer. [09:40:46] *** alfred has left #opensolaris [09:40:54] <flyingparchment> it should be an option on the login screen (dtlogin)... [09:40:57] <Nikutaro> jmcp: Let me try choosing Japanese as the locale language on the login screen. [09:41:26] <Nikutaro> and now it works! thanks! [09:41:46] <flyingparchment> Nikutaro: if you want english, choose a utf-8 locale like en_US.UTF-8 - the IM should appear there too [09:42:07] <Nikutaro> flyigparchment: I see. By the way, the English text is very nicely antialiased but not so for the Japanese... is there a way to change this too? [09:42:11] <Nikutaro> I imagine it's fonts. [09:42:14] <flyingparchment> (of course en_GB.UTF-8 is the real english locale...) [09:42:27] <jmcp> Nikutaro: probably an option under Launch->preferences->fonts [09:42:29] <flyingparchment> Nikutaro: i don't know. i guess japanese is using an X font instead of an Xft font, or something.. [09:42:45] <flyingparchment> or maybe it decides not to anti-alias it because the glyphs are too small? [09:43:13] <Nikutaro> flyingparchment: For example on a mac, it's antialiased but still easy to read. [09:43:23] <Nikutaro> to me, antialiased japaneese is much less eyestrain even on complex characteres [09:43:25] <flyingparchment> yeah, well apple font rendering is a fair bit better than X :) [09:43:36] <Nikutaro> actually, the english looks REALLY good to me [09:43:45] <Nikutaro> as much as a mac on this version [09:43:46] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [09:43:47] <Nikutaro> I was impressed [09:44:00] *** palowoda has quit IRC [09:44:08] <jmcp> that's very nice to hear [09:44:19] <Nikutaro> I used to use linux a while, and I always had to mess with settings to make it look good. [09:44:42] <flyingparchment> yeah, iirc JDS actually choose a reasonable size font by default [09:44:55] <andy__> this is lovely... I'm trying to install condor for solaris, comes in a .tar.gz file of course. Get a directory checksum error, so after some googling I decide it's likely due to an incompatibility with gnu tar. More googling gives me a package for gnu tar for solaris... in a .tar.gz. That won't open with solaris's tar. [09:44:58] <andy__> argh. [09:45:08] <flyingparchment> andy__: what's wrong with /usr/sfw/bin/gtar? [09:45:12] <Nikutaro> I have a hobby to play with OSes on my PC, so I noticed Solaris is easy enough for my wife to use it too :P [09:45:17] <sahafeez> : dumb question - running rysnc...i get rsync: failed to set times on "/data/Music/.": Operation not permitted (1) - [09:45:26] <andy__> flyingparchment, the fact I didn't know it existed [09:45:31] <Nikutaro> I only have to figure out how to compile stuff a little more easily [09:45:36] <sahafeez> i set the perm a+rwx [09:45:37] <flyingparchment> ah! well, that indeed is a problem no longer [09:45:56] <flyingparchment> andy__: btw: http://www.sunfreeware.com/ & http://www.blastwave.org/ - all the pre-packaged freeware for solaris you could want [09:46:08] <andy__> thanks [09:46:24] <sahafeez> there is no way the uid can ever match... [09:46:55] <andy__> egads, it worked [09:46:56] <Nikutaro> Is there not nasm on solaris? [09:46:59] <flyingparchment> sahafeez: that's EPERM, as opposed to EACCESS, which means the uid has to match [09:47:08] <flyingparchment> sahafeez: file permissions will make no difference [09:47:17] <sahafeez> okay anyway around this.. [09:47:29] <flyingparchment> fix the uid? :) [09:47:37] <sahafeez> not possiable [09:47:41] <sahafeez> period [09:48:38] <sahafeez> but i need the rsync sender to set the time [09:48:57] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [09:49:20] <flyingparchment> somehow give the sender the privilege i forget the name of that allows him to bypass file ownership [09:49:25] <flyingparchment> (dac_override or so?) [09:49:37] <Nikutaro> I have got one other question I want to ask for a little help with. On linux there are keyboard shortcuts I use. For instance alt+f2 for gnome's Run prompt and ctrl+alt+f1 for a console. What is the corresponding combinations for solaris? [09:49:54] *** sbahra has joined #opensolaris [09:50:05] <sahafeez> is that a unix thing or a solaris thing [09:50:08] <flyingparchment> Nikutaro: i don't know, but if you look in the preferences menu, there's a program to configure the shortcuts, which will also tell you what they are [09:50:21] <Nikutaro> flyingparchment: even so much as to go to the console? [09:50:21] <flyingparchment> sahafeez: a solaris thing, but quite a few unixes have basically the same thing done a bit differently [09:50:29] <flyingparchment> Nikutaro: you can't switch to the console (yet) [09:50:40] <flyingparchment> Nikutaro: that'll be possible once the virtual consoles project is integrated [09:50:45] <Nikutaro> flyingparchment: Ouch. I see [09:50:50] <flyingparchment> to get a console, quit X and select 'console login' from the menu [09:51:16] <Nikutaro> not quite as convenient when X has a problem though. Of course X can be killed still. [09:51:30] <flyingparchment> log in from a nearby machine with ssh :) [09:51:42] <Nikutaro> flyingparchment: Not quite that geeky enough. Haha. It's laptop [09:52:19] <Nikutaro> Anyway, thanks to all of you. I'm going to try using Solaris as usual so if I need more help, I'll ask again. Thanks for letting me be a bother. [09:52:20] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris [09:52:46] <Nikutaro> If anyone needs help for something Japanese let me know. <o,o> [09:53:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:53:16] *** Nikutaro has quit IRC [09:53:49] <flyingparchment> you know, jds actually made me not hate gnome. it's much better than other gnomes i've used (ubuntu, fedora) [09:54:01] <flyingparchment> i still prefer kde, but i could actually use jds for day-to-day work [09:56:29] *** WickySleep is now known as WickedWicky [09:57:02] <sahafeez> hey, you are wrong flying dude - i think - this is rsync over ssh so the uids do not have to match - however i can see that the owner and grp on that dir have changed from root user to the ssh username so it must be somethign else? [09:57:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:57:25] <oninoshik2> i still dont have a way to switch desktops when i hit the edge of the screen... why cant everyone just use E17? [09:57:35] *** oninoshik2 is now known as oninoshiklo [09:57:40] *** oninoshiklo is now known as oninoshiko [09:57:57] <flyingparchment> sahafeez: no ur wrong [09:58:03] <flyingparchment> river@yarrow:~>id -a; ls -ld test; chown river test [09:58:03] <flyingparchment> uid=100(river) gid=10(staff) groups=10(staff) [09:58:03] <flyingparchment> drwxrwxrwx 2 daniel root 512 Sep 24 07:57 test/ [09:58:03] <flyingparchment> chown: test: Not owner [10:00:04] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:17] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:00:39] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [10:01:05] <flyingparchment> hmm, the example of pam_ldap in the manual seems to _remove_ pam_unix_auth [10:01:17] <flyingparchment> if i do that, will i still be able to login as root when ldap is broken? [10:01:20] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [10:10:18] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:10:47] *** johnlev has quit IRC [10:12:41] <WickedWicky> flyingparchment, this is really going way back since I used ldap but if I remember correctly you configure pam to first try pam_ldap and if that fails pam_unix_auth [10:13:00] <WickedWicky> merely using pam_ldap will give you some kick ass results when ldap goes down [10:13:14] *** dlg has quit IRC [10:14:24] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [10:16:11] <WickedWicky> I htink you need something like this in your config [10:16:12] <WickedWicky> auth required pam_env.so [10:16:12] <WickedWicky> auth sufficient pam_unix.so likeauth nullok shadow [10:16:12] <WickedWicky> auth sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass [10:16:12] <WickedWicky> auth required pam_deny.so [10:16:20] <WickedWicky> account requisite pam_unix.so [10:16:20] <WickedWicky> account sufficient pam_localuser.so [10:16:20] <WickedWicky> account required pam_ldap.so [10:16:57] <WickedWicky> password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 [10:16:58] <WickedWicky> password sufficient pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok shadow md5 [10:16:58] <WickedWicky> password sufficient pam_ldap.so use_authtok use_first_pass [10:16:58] <WickedWicky> password required pam_deny.so [10:17:51] <WickedWicky> and change /etc/nsswitch.conf too [10:18:06] <WickedWicky> the lines passwd, group and shadow [10:18:28] <WickedWicky> passwd: files ldap [10:18:29] <WickedWicky> group: files ldap [10:18:29] <WickedWicky> shadow: files ldap [10:18:30] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [10:18:41] <Cyrille> shouldn't that be ldap files? [10:19:10] <WickedWicky> if you want your login attempt as root to timeout and all your processes to die in case ldap dies, yes [10:21:31] <flyingparchment> hmm, trying to nfs mount is hanging on the client without even doing any network traffic [10:21:40] <WickedWicky> what I always did was putting the groups/users that ran services and root in files, user accounts went to ldap [10:22:19] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar [10:26:04] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [10:26:07] <trygvis> hm, I'm having issues getting the BMC driver to attach with devfsadm -v -i bmc [10:26:39] <trygvis> I'm only getting "devfsadm: driver failed to attach: bmc" [10:28:07] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [10:28:19] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris [10:28:55] <flyingparchment> WickedWicky: thanks [10:29:13] <flyingparchment> so if i have any number of 'sufficient' entries, at least one of them must be met, but only one? [10:29:23] * flyingparchment isn't pam-proficient [10:29:34] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [10:29:37] <WickedWicky> if I remember correctly the first one met will authenticate you [10:29:45] <flyingparchment> okay [10:32:02] <flyingparchment> okay, finally got ldap working.. next step: kerberos [10:32:37] <WickedWicky> http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/ [10:32:56] <WickedWicky> http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html [10:33:01] <WickedWicky> latter explains kerberos too [10:34:38] <sparcdr> hey :) [10:39:22] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [10:41:35] <sparcdr> :o [10:41:42] <sparcdr> how's everyone? [10:44:17] <kaiwai> hmm, cerebos [10:45:07] <e^ipi> the dogs that guard the gateway to hell? [10:45:25] <rasputnik> e^ipi: one dog, lotsa heads [10:45:28] <e^ipi> if you're seeing them, you have some serious problems [10:46:55] <WickedWicky> ya, I think you can assum you're fscked and pwned then [10:46:56] <WickedWicky> :P [10:47:49] <trygvis> grr, I wonder why the bmc driver won't attach properly [10:53:28] <flyingparchment> hmm, when i log in via ssh, i don't automatically get a kerberos ticket. can i fix that? [10:54:56] <flyingparchment> ah, need to configure pam.conf correctly [10:59:21] <sparcdr> hello [10:59:34] <sparcdr> trygvis, bmc? [10:59:53] <trygvis> what? [11:00:14] <sparcdr> bmc driver? [11:00:23] <trygvis> what? [11:00:55] *** quobecha has joined #opensolaris [11:01:10] <sparcdr> "grr, I wonder why the bmc driver won't attach properly" [11:01:52] <trygvis> WHAT? ask a question [11:02:02] <sparcdr> I was quoting you [11:02:05] <sparcdr> what is the bmc driver? [11:02:07] <trygvis> no shit [11:02:26] <quasi> trygvis: what sort of machine? [11:02:30] <trygvis> v40z [11:02:36] <sparcdr> rasputnik, it's cerberus ::) [11:02:47] <sparcdr> one of my former machines was named that [11:02:53] <trygvis> it is a driver to talk to the management card in the vox [11:02:57] <quasi> hmm, I seem to recall having similar issues, while it worked on the v20z [11:02:57] <trygvis> s,vox,box, [11:03:09] <flyingparchment> so ldap+kerberos seems pretty neat, i wonder why more people don't use it [11:03:18] <sparcdr> because it takes effort :P [11:03:29] <quasi> trygvis: but I think I got distracted before figuring out why [11:03:37] <sparcdr> sysadmins dont learn after 5 years of being employed [11:03:46] <sparcdr> they must get a raise to change things [11:03:47] *** switch has quit IRC [11:03:48] <sparcdr> >_> [11:04:00] *** switch has joined #opensolaris [11:05:42] *** sparcdr has quit IRC [11:06:12] <trygvis> quasi: dang :/ [11:06:50] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC [11:07:54] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [11:10:18] <quasi> trygvis: it may have been related to the version - the v40z was an early box while the v20 was newer [11:10:33] <quasi> trygvis: or possibly the firmware version [11:12:00] *** bunker has quit IRC [11:14:03] *** ICU has joined #opensolaris [11:19:43] *** baijiutong has quit IRC [11:23:10] *** nostoi has quit IRC [11:25:43] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [11:32:38] *** Andrew_ has joined #opensolaris [11:34:08] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [11:38:08] *** simford has quit IRC [11:39:25] *** tsoome1_ has joined #opensolaris [11:39:28] *** tsoome has quit IRC [11:39:29] <WickedWicky> does anyone know if there is a public beta/test version of Etude? [11:39:44] <asyd> Etude ? [11:39:48] <WickedWicky> yea [11:39:56] <WickedWicky> Solaris8 zone thingy [11:40:11] <WickedWicky> http://blogs.sun.com/dp/entry/project_etude_revealed [11:40:30] <asyd> interesting [11:40:35] <flyingparchment> what i want to know about etude is, if vendors won't support their product on S10, will they really support it in a fake S8 zone? [11:40:55] <WickedWicky> I want to use it for developement only (compiling more) [11:41:14] <WickedWicky> something tells me compiling in a zone running on a ultra5 goes faster than compiling on a ss20 [11:42:14] <WickedWicky> and vendors who refuse to support solaris 10 should be taken out of bussiness IMO [11:42:37] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [11:45:19] <mustang> WickedWicky: unfortunately a lot of those vendors have bigger teeth and more money behind them than sun does. [11:45:43] <mustang> more unfortunate is that they decided to redo their apps to run on linux rather than re-test against Sol10. [11:46:13] <WickedWicky> but how can a shop seriously consider buying software running on an OS that's EOL? [11:46:56] <Berny> problem is sometimes not buying "new" stuff but already having old stuff which cannot be replaced easily [11:46:59] <mustang> they wouldn't. they'd buy it on linux. [11:47:12] <WickedWicky> I guess yeah [11:47:24] <mustang> this is why we're 'throwing out' SB2500s :( [11:47:38] <Berny> .oO(though the example i have at hand doesn't really work on linux, although they sell it) [11:47:52] <Berny> mustang: send me one ;-) [11:48:13] <mustang> berny: you'll have to arm wrestle the finance company. hence the quotes :) [11:48:20] <Pietro_S> well, I would rather want Solaris Sparc zone, than anything else (but I know that won't happend) [11:49:48] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [11:50:50] <flyingparchment> i hope some of those vendors will reconsider with solaris 10.. [11:51:13] <flyingparchment> since sun is once again leading the market with OS innovation, whereas prior solaris was fairly stagnant [11:52:21] *** halton has left #opensolaris [11:54:48] <tsoome1_> that was quite stupid remark tbh. [11:55:02] *** tsoome1_ is now known as tsoome [11:55:05] <flyingparchment> not really. [11:55:10] <flyingparchment> for a long time linux was the trendy OS [11:55:14] <flyingparchment> now, solaris is trendy again [11:55:23] <tsoome> trendy doen not mean innovative [11:55:31] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [11:55:34] <tsoome> does* [11:55:35] <flyingparchment> no, but solaris is trendy because of that. (zfs, dtrace...) [11:56:01] <tsoome> having new verison of gnome every month does not mean its usable [11:56:16] <flyingparchment> vendors don't care if linux is a good platform [11:56:26] <flyingparchment> their customers hear linux is the new thing, they want the product on linux [11:56:39] <tsoome> and there are *no* unique features in linux [11:56:51] <trygvis> quasi: hm, ok [11:56:58] <flyingparchment> sure, of course there aren't. [11:57:05] <flyingparchment> but linux is 'free' and 'open source' ... [11:57:15] <flyingparchment> and lower tco!! [11:57:27] <tsoome> lol [11:57:41] <tsoome> its bs talk for brainless ppl [11:57:50] <flyingparchment> yes [11:57:58] <tsoome> but sad thing is it works [11:58:08] <tsoome> and there is a little sun can do about [11:58:10] <quasi> trygvis: if you provide the command I can try it again just to double check that I didn't fix it [11:58:22] <tomww> you have to talk on such a fact again and again, then pepole start believe what you say.... [11:58:31] <tsoome> if ppl would be abe to think, there would be no microsoft around;) [11:58:44] <tomww> (the tco story)) [11:58:57] <flyingparchment> anyway, now solaris is cool, people can try it and find out it's actually been better than linux all along. [11:59:01] <flyingparchment> and vendors can start supporting it again ;) [11:59:07] <tsoome> true [11:59:48] <trygvis> well, I tried all sorts of ipmitool command, no one work properly. but this is an example: ipmitool -I bmc mc info [12:00:02] <quasi> trygvis: on second thought - there might have been something related to snmp done to get things working on the v20 [12:00:05] <flyingparchment> ugh, iptitool :( [12:00:10] <flyingparchment> i never got that to work properly [12:00:15] <trygvis> I then tried to modunload the bmc driver and then tried to use devfsadm to load the driver again [12:00:38] <quasi> trygvis: whaddayaknow - it does work on the v40z [12:01:20] <trygvis> I'm using solaris 10 u2 on this box iirc [12:01:27] <trygvis> yep, 6/06 [12:01:30] <quasi> this one is older [12:01:48] <quasi> ipmitool -I bmc sdr [12:01:49] <quasi> ambienttemp | 19.80 degrees C | ok [12:01:54] <quasi> ... [12:02:09] <trygvis> hm [12:02:10] <ofu> there are no tape libraries between 40 and 500 Tapes? What happened to L180? [12:02:11] <tsoome> its probably usual stuff - make sure you have latest patches, latest bios update and damn linux on management card updated.... [12:02:13] <ofu> sigh [12:02:40] <tsoome> ofu why u need L180, if you can use lodular L500? [12:02:44] <tsoome> modular* [12:02:56] <quasi> ofu: I've got an L180 sitting in storage doing nothing [12:03:08] <ofu> hmmm, i have to take a look at it [12:03:50] <flyingparchment> kadmin: Bad encryption type while changing host/yarrow.ts.wikimedia.org's key [12:03:54] <flyingparchment> what the heck does that mean? [12:04:22] <quasi> the 500 is pretty nice and pricing usually makes sense up to the point where you think you need 2 whole racks [12:05:20] <ofu> i wanted to use 180 1T-disks and zfs, but the disk license is very expensive [12:07:41] <quasi> always remember that list prices are open to negotiation ;) [12:14:11] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris [12:18:46] <ofu> sure, but this disk license seems to be almost 800$ per terabyte netto [12:19:56] <Berny> by enough to get big discount :-) [12:21:20] <quasi> these days, that makes what, 8 eur? ;) [12:21:49] <ofu> sure... but license is way more expensive than the hardware itself :-( [12:22:21] <Berny> lets put it this way: a samfs license is woth every cent imho [12:22:51] <flyingparchment> ofu: veritas is free if you have <= 4 filesystems :D [12:23:12] <Berny> that stuff saved my neck more than once [12:23:21] <ofu> never used samfs [12:23:36] <Tempt> Hmm, why do I have a vision of a SAN connected production host with 200 LUNs in a couple of filesystems? [12:23:45] <Tempt> using the 'free' vxvm [12:23:54] <flyingparchment> Tempt: because that's exactly what we'd do to avoid buying a license? [12:24:15] <flyingparchment> actually, i tested vxfs, and it was much slower than qfs running mysql [12:24:25] <Tempt> vxfs can go die in a fire [12:24:28] <Tempt> along with vxvm [12:24:31] <Tempt> and vvr [12:24:38] <Tempt> and Symantec as a whole. [12:24:38] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [12:24:40] <flyingparchment> then again qfs costs $8,000 and veritas is free [12:24:51] <Tempt> 'free' [12:25:02] <Tempt> ZFS is free, eat it up yum-yum. [12:25:07] <flyingparchment> i am 'evaluating' qfs at the moment [12:25:16] <flyingparchment> i have been 'evaluating' it for about 6 months now [12:25:17] <Berny> btw anyone tried to put a samfs on a zvol? :-) [12:25:27] <flyingparchment> i plan to evaluate it until it becomes open source and free of charge ;) [12:25:34] <Berny> hehe [12:25:42] <cmihai> flyingparchment, there's a new player in town :-) [12:26:01] <cmihai> One that sounds very much like QFS / SAMFS. [12:26:07] <flyingparchment> Tempt: zfs is still < qfs for oltp. it's much better than it used to be, but some ways to go [12:26:09] <flyingparchment> cmihai: oh? [12:26:18] <cmihai> Yeah [12:26:42] <cmihai> Oracle Information Lifecycle Management (ILM) :-) [12:26:49] <flyingparchment> heh [12:26:50] * Berny happily paid the sam/qfs license... support helps sometimes ;-) [12:26:51] <Tempt> Oh, QFS for the win. [12:26:52] * LeftWing explodes. [12:26:53] <flyingparchment> is that the new linux oraclefs? [12:27:03] <cmihai> Nah [12:27:07] <cmihai> It's part of Oracle 11g [12:27:12] <cmihai> http://www.oracle.com/technology/deploy/ilm/index.html [12:27:15] * Tempt looks at the remnants of LeftWing [12:27:16] <flyingparchment> you know, i could understand $8,000 for SAM-QFS, but if you're only using the QFS bit.... [12:27:19] <Berny> .oO(industrial light and magic) [12:27:24] <cmihai> They also have something like ZFS.. of sorts. [12:27:30] <flyingparchment> sure, it's a nice filesystem, but it doesn't even have snapshots [12:27:52] <cmihai> Oracle Secure Files... they have compression and such... [12:27:53] <Berny> flyingparchment: but its damn fast :-) [12:28:00] <cmihai> flyingparchment, wrong [12:28:07] <cmihai> They have Flash Back and Total Recall. [12:28:11] <cmihai> That's very much like snapshots. [12:28:16] <flyingparchment> cmihai: QFS has that? [12:28:19] <cmihai> And you can go back to the point of individual commits. [12:28:23] <cmihai> Nah, I'm talking about Oracle. [12:28:29] <flyingparchment> i'm talking about qfs :) [12:28:49] <cmihai> They now want you to dump all your files in an Oracle database... unsorted et all. [12:28:55] <cmihai> As in, replace a regular FS :-) [12:29:06] <cmihai> The whole data warehouse concept hehe [12:29:15] <Tempt> cmihai: What, are you on the Oracle payroll or something? [12:29:25] <cmihai> Eh? [12:29:34] *** yongsun has quit IRC [12:29:45] <Tempt> Advertising ;) [12:29:46] <cmihai> I'm just pointing how it looks suprisingly similar to ZFS, QFS and SAMFS. [12:29:50] <flyingparchment> (other things qfs can't do: make a filesystem larger when the lun grows) [12:29:51] <Tempt> Mm. [12:33:24] <ofu> except for NFS-performance i still like zfs for everything [12:33:48] <flyingparchment> i want zfs to support removing luns [12:36:15] <WickedWicky> hello polly, I've got a nice cuttlefish for you when you wake up Polly parrot [12:36:51] <WickedWicky> in this case polly is my AMD64 that doesnt want to come out of screensaver mode [12:38:13] <sparcdr> ;o [12:38:22] <cmihai> Ah, the Norvegian Blue... [12:38:34] <cmihai> WickedWicky, are you pinin' for the fiords or something? [12:38:45] <sparcdr> ofu, agreed, actually I have good experience with anything coming from nfs, but then again i'm only doing gigabit transfers of a archive > 300gb [12:38:58] <sparcdr> sorry anything coming from zfs :) [12:38:59] <cmihai> WickedWicky, ssh to the thing and pkill xscreensaver. [12:39:05] <sparcdr> zfs/nfs, bobfs :D [12:39:07] <WickedWicky> good one [12:39:20] <sparcdr> WickedWicky, card? [12:39:25] <sparcdr> and what build of xscreensaver? [12:39:37] <sparcdr> i had some issues with xscreensaver > 5.01 [12:39:44] <Tempt> blame jwz. [12:39:50] <WickedWicky> it's an onboard VIA chipset, using the VESA compatible driver since the chipset itself is not supported [12:39:54] <sparcdr> blah [12:39:59] <sparcdr> hmm [12:40:02] <WickedWicky> the xscreensaver is the version whatever is shipped with SXCD72 [12:40:05] <sparcdr> yeah that's fine WickedWicky [12:40:06] <WickedWicky> SXCE that is [12:40:08] <sparcdr> odd [12:40:13] <sparcdr> that's 5.01 afaik [12:40:34] <sparcdr> i just downloaded all the x_win dependencies so I could build on top of my SDX install [12:40:41] <WickedWicky> it doesnt happen all the times [12:40:43] <sparcdr> and xscreensaver-5.01 is the one it fetches [12:40:47] <WickedWicky> once in a week or so [12:41:06] <sparcdr> using opengl xscreensaver? [12:41:17] <sparcdr> one may blame mesa in that case :D [12:41:31] <WickedWicky> one could blame me for slacking which triggers the screensaver [12:41:38] <sparcdr> eh [12:41:41] <sparcdr> slacking lol [12:41:55] <sparcdr> that's terrible, comeon, you're better than that :D [12:42:07] <WickedWicky> not on my day off I am not [12:42:17] <sparcdr> one may yell at jwz and get a nvidia too [12:42:44] <sparcdr> i got my old dual vga fx 5200 for 10 bucks [12:42:45] <WickedWicky> yea well [12:42:48] <WickedWicky> the thing with that is [12:42:57] <sparcdr> but then again not sure if legacy drivers and solaris work well with each other [12:43:02] <WickedWicky> that everybody says how solaris isnt a desktop environment or isnt suposed to be [12:43:06] <sparcdr> eh [12:43:09] <flyingparchment> the nvidia solaris drivers support everything [12:43:11] <sparcdr> it is fine for a desktop environment [12:43:12] <WickedWicky> so why on earth would you put an nvidia card in your machine? [12:43:16] <flyingparchment> they worked with my antient GF2 [12:43:34] <WickedWicky> by tradition an S3 with framebuffer should be enough [12:43:51] <sparcdr> the key word is games and cedega tbh. people always try and compare solaris and linux yet non-kernel stuff is basically the same, especially if you're running SDX or Community [12:43:54] <WickedWicky> unless ppl use Solaris as a desktop more than some would want to admit [12:44:07] <sparcdr> they do :) [12:44:11] <flyingparchment> i don't see any reason not to use solaris on the desktop, if it works for you [12:44:20] <sparcdr> sun sells their boxes with solaris, a lot of the customers keep it on there [12:44:23] <sparcdr> it works fine [12:44:32] <sparcdr> minus games, shrug, buy a ps3 [12:44:36] <sparcdr> or an xbox or whatever [12:44:37] <flyingparchment> if solaris shipped with kde, i might use it ;) [12:44:43] <sparcdr> it does fluffle [12:44:44] <sparcdr> er flyingparchment [12:44:45] <WickedWicky> flyingparchmen: you definatly should read back some logs at times and see the "solaris is a server" discussion coming up about 3 times a month [12:44:51] <flyingparchment> no it doesn't [12:44:51] <sparcdr> not installed though :p [12:44:57] <flyingparchment> i never had much luck with the third-party packages [12:45:01] <sparcdr> companion afaik has it [12:45:02] <sparcdr> i have [12:45:06] <flyingparchment> WickedWicky: yeah some people in this channel are weird [12:45:06] <sparcdr> csw works perfect [12:45:38] <flyingparchment> i tried steleman's packages but kicker kept crashing [12:45:39] *** joevandyk has quit IRC [12:45:47] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, i take exception [12:45:49] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, use blastwave, trust me [12:46:01] <flyingparchment> maybe i will [12:46:02] <sparcdr> it works on sdx 04/04 (B64a) perfect on my Thinkpad T30 [12:46:26] <sparcdr> note it's a bit dated, but i havent found any stopped bugs in any of the core software [12:46:31] <sparcdr> *stopper [12:46:33] <flyingparchment> 3.4 or something? [12:46:36] <sparcdr> 3.5 [12:46:42] <flyingparchment> hm that's not so bad [12:46:48] <sparcdr> 3.5.3 i think [12:46:55] <sparcdr> current is 3.5.7 stable [12:47:03] <sparcdr> no big changes though [12:47:21] <sparcdr> KDE itself, KOffice, KMail, KOpete work fine for me [12:47:45] <sparcdr> just a few things not there, namely a minor problem with jabber protocol handling on kopete [12:47:45] <flyingparchment> does nwam work in kde? [12:47:50] <sparcdr> what's nwam? [12:47:59] <flyingparchment> network automagic, the new ubuntu-like network config stuff [12:48:02] <sparcdr> er [12:48:04] <sparcdr> nah [12:48:06] <sparcdr> probably not [12:48:09] <sparcdr> it's a gcc port [12:48:15] <sparcdr> and it's not integrated well [12:48:26] <cmihai> What's "ubuntu-like" supposed to mean [12:48:31] <sparcdr> solaris support was hacked on, it works but hal/dbus is no go [12:48:36] <flyingparchment> that it works like ubuntu does [12:48:37] <sparcdr> he means hal/dbus mounting [12:48:40] <cmihai> Ubuntu? [12:48:42] <sparcdr> and network stuff [12:48:46] *** joevandyk has joined #opensolaris [12:48:48] <cmihai> Sorry, I'm not into pokemon. [12:48:49] <sparcdr> ubuntu is just poo [12:48:51] <flyingparchment> cmihai: ubuntu is a linux distribution [12:49:02] <cmihai> Pikachu or what? [12:49:06] <sparcdr> it's a brand of jolly rancher [12:49:08] <Cyrille> supposed to be user-friendly [12:49:24] <sparcdr> it is, i guess because it's dumbed down a lot [12:49:47] <flyingparchment> i like dumbed down, i don't want to waste time making my desktop work, it should just work [12:50:02] <sparcdr> it's still gnome, but they added a gtk-ified update system, smf clone for booting to speed it up, and made hal/dbus mounting work out of the box [12:50:07] <rasputnik> flyingparchment: nwam works fine in dwm. It doesn't need a nm-applet like NetworkManager under Linux does [12:50:07] <flyingparchment> hm: Sep 24 10:48:42 inetd[583]: Property 'name' of instance svc:/network/nfs/rquota:default is missing, inconsistent or invalid [12:50:12] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, kde on solaris works well enough [12:50:47] <sparcdr> kde 4 will bring your sought features, and solaris support is now a priority, it's not gonna be a crappy port [12:51:01] <sparcdr> it's not too far off either [12:51:52] <sparcdr> do what you like, works for me :) [12:52:25] <sparcdr> i am getting coffee, if you're sitting here utilizing irc, you should too [12:52:30] <flyingparchment> i have beer [12:52:42] <sparcdr> that works just don't get drunk or I'll set you on fire [12:53:31] <flyingparchment> "... why isn't ldap working?" disabled 10:48:40 svc:/network/ldap/client:default [12:53:36] <sparcdr> gonna go see if i can get jds b74 working on my sdx install... got it yesterday and i didn't get anything done. i really must finish stuff here [12:55:47] *** renihs has quit IRC [12:56:38] <Tempt> "don't get drunk or I'll set you on fire" [12:56:39] <Tempt> charming, that is [12:56:54] *** joevandyk has quit IRC [12:57:34] <flyingparchment> Tempt: i got ldap + kerberos working without too much trouble in the end [12:57:44] <flyingparchment> Tempt: although please still write a howto, there was a bit of trouble :) [12:58:22] <kaiwai> sparcdr: hopefully JDS B75 will be released soon [13:01:58] <sparcdr> :) [13:02:14] <WickedWicky> ok, I am gonna do shopping while it's still dry [13:02:20] <sparcdr> my estimate is October 1-3 [13:02:30] <sparcdr> have fun WickedWicky [13:02:43] <quasi> sparcdr: seems a bit optimistic [13:02:48] <WickedWicky> knowing me the shopping will get out of hand really... [13:03:04] <sparcdr> quasi, :o [13:03:13] <WickedWicky> you go to buy dinner, you come back with Donna Karen sunglasses [13:03:36] <sparcdr> i try to be, if i look pessimistic, i become mean and stupid :) [13:03:58] <quasi> WickedWicky: interesting places you go grocery shopping ;) [13:04:05] <sparcdr> eh yeah [13:04:11] <sparcdr> i go to market, the end [13:04:31] <WickedWicky> I go to the supermarkt, then fetch a cappucino in town, then go walking around [13:04:40] <WickedWicky> then I see something cool, and then all hell breaks lose [13:04:44] * WickedWicky is a bit impulsive :P [13:04:53] <sparcdr> im explosive [13:04:59] * sparcdr lights #opensolaris on fire [13:05:02] <trochej> WickedWicky: You got that inkscape to compile? [13:05:03] <sparcdr> >:DDD [13:05:09] <WickedWicky> trochej: no [13:05:40] <WickedWicky> it tries to download libcairo, but the site it tries to fetch the source from seems to be firewalled/whatever [13:05:59] <WickedWicky> so it fails on a dependency [13:06:03] <flyingparchment> Please install 122661-08 and then run patchadd again for this patch. [13:06:04] <flyingparchment> The prepatch script exited with return code 1. [13:06:10] <flyingparchment> why don't they just make the patch depend on the other patch it needs? [13:06:50] *** WickedWicky is now known as WickyBRB [13:07:15] <trochej> uhm [13:07:16] <trochej> Sad [13:07:56] <WickyBRB> I tried to download the source tarbal from a freebsd mirror [13:07:59] <WickyBRB> and put it in SOURCES [13:08:03] <WickyBRB> but then the compile fails [13:08:06] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, Solaris GA with SS11? [13:08:10] <WickyBRB> so meh, I will try again in some days [13:08:23] <sparcdr> im sure it's a compiler kludge [13:08:26] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: 11/06 with studio 12 [13:08:30] <sparcdr> yeah [13:08:35] <flyingparchment> what but would the compiler have to do with it? [13:08:40] <sparcdr> tomorrow ill download 08/08 [13:08:45] <sparcdr> you said it was failing to compile [13:08:52] <flyingparchment> er, no i didn't [13:09:01] <WickyBRB> that was me [13:09:02] <sparcdr> "<trochej> WickedWicky: You got that inkscape to compile?" [13:09:05] <sparcdr> "<WickedWicky> trochej: no" [13:09:10] <flyingparchment> wickedwicky isn't me [13:09:13] * flyingparchment is flyingparchment [13:09:26] <WickyBRB> you most definatly dont want to be me [13:09:29] <sparcdr> you're a flying squirrel is what you are >:D [13:09:37] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [13:09:52] <sparcdr> you dont want to be me, i burn things [13:09:58] <sparcdr> o:<! [13:10:17] <flyingparchment> the result of sun backporting so much stuff to solaris 10 seems to be that the kernel patch is now 50MB and takes hours to install [13:10:29] <sparcdr> blah want to see something uber funny? [13:10:32] <sparcdr> i mean this is hard lulz [13:10:54] *** deather has quit IRC [13:10:55] *** deather_ is now known as deather [13:11:06] <sparcdr> http://www.sparcdr.com/pub/downloads/Updates/Sun/Solaris/10/x86/ check done + in current [13:11:09] <cmihai> Funny how most people still run Solaris 8 in production, huh? Usually running something like Oracle 9i :-). [13:11:18] <sparcdr> that's all of sunsolve patches, 533 line patch-list.txt [13:11:46] <sparcdr> this is 03/06-06/06 afaik, dont think there's a lot of patches yet for 08/08 :) [13:11:53] <cmihai> Isn't that illegal? [13:11:54] <Pietro_S> what is about inkspace? current SFE package is a bit broken, at least for me (I'm woking on fixing it) [13:11:55] <sparcdr> 533 fscking patches [13:11:57] <flyingparchment> all of sunsolve patches for what? 8/07? [13:12:04] <sparcdr> no it's for personal, and it's all public [13:12:09] <flyingparchment> i installed 39 patches just today on my 11/06 system [13:12:10] <sparcdr> all of sunsolve for solaris 10 x86 [13:12:14] <sparcdr> http://sunsolve.sun.com/show.do?target=patches/zos-x10 [13:12:15] <cmihai> Are you sure you're allowed to distribute those? [13:12:17] <sparcdr> thee [13:12:21] <sparcdr> *these [13:12:22] <sparcdr> im sure [13:12:27] <sparcdr> im putting index.html now :D [13:12:32] <rasputnik> Pietro_S: it's an SVG editor (a bit like Macromedia Fireworks) - inkscape.org [13:12:39] <sparcdr> yeah inkscape's nice [13:12:45] <cmihai> sparcdr, so, who's stupid enough to download them from you then [13:12:50] <sparcdr> me [13:12:51] <flyingparchment> did anyone else without a support contract notice that they can now access restricted content on sunsolve, like bug ids? [13:12:55] <sparcdr> i keep them for myself [13:13:06] <Pietro_S> rasputnik: I know what it is, but it looks like someone have troubles with it on opensolaris [13:13:16] <cmihai> sparcdr, how about .httaccess or something mate. [13:13:16] <sparcdr> im on a satellite and can only download at 3-6 am est large files, so ill bzip them [13:13:23] <sparcdr> im doing that now cmihai [13:13:30] <rasputnik> Pietro_S: sorry. misread. [13:13:41] <sparcdr> and it's not illegal per se, i dont see anything about it, they're all public anyways [13:13:46] <sparcdr> but i dont want people raping my server [13:13:49] <cmihai> sparcdr, so is Solaris 10 for example. [13:13:58] <cmihai> But Sun doesn't allow anyone to mirror it. [13:14:02] <sparcdr> i was just showing you all that there's a sh*tload of patches [13:14:06] <sparcdr> im not mirroring it for anyone [13:14:09] <sparcdr> it's a private archive [13:14:15] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: the patches you listed in that dir ain't a shitload [13:14:21] <sparcdr> 533!? [13:14:23] <flyingparchment> there's like 30 patches there [13:14:25] <sparcdr> look in done [13:14:27] <sparcdr> :/ [13:14:33] <flyingparchment> oic [13:14:35] <Pietro_S> and cause I *might* solve them, but I have to know about them first, as far I have onnly problems with autotools versions ... [13:14:35] <sparcdr> i was fetching ones that failed in / [13:14:36] <PerterB> Is that a metric shitload, or imperial? [13:14:43] <sparcdr> that's a metric [13:14:44] <flyingparchment> yeah that's more like it, S10 has a lot of patches :) [13:15:00] <sparcdr> it's legal for personal archive [13:15:04] <flyingparchment> btw, i wasn't joking about the new kernel patch being 50MB, it really is [13:15:05] <sparcdr> just not public [13:15:10] <sparcdr> it is [13:15:13] <sparcdr> 32mb was the one before that [13:15:27] <PerterB> it's not that surprising, solaris 10 is a huge OS and has been out for a couple of years now with a lot of development and fixes in that time [13:15:30] <flyingparchment> earlier i installed it on a system with 14 zones [13:15:31] <cmihai> If you don't have any kind of access control and you paste the link on IRC, it's very much public ;-) [13:15:33] <flyingparchment> that was.. fun :) [13:15:34] <sparcdr> yeah peteh [13:15:39] <sparcdr> *PeterB [13:15:43] <sparcdr> er yeah cant spell tonight [13:15:45] <cmihai> Bah, you should see the patch list for Windows 2003 [13:15:48] <cmihai> Get a standard windows [13:15:51] <sparcdr> cmihai, not anymore [13:16:00] <sparcdr> cmihai, less actually since it's more monolithic [13:16:08] <sparcdr> windows xp has about 103 [13:16:11] <sparcdr> from sp2 [13:16:11] <sparcdr> :D [13:16:21] <sparcdr> that's 2001-2007 though [13:16:23] <cmihai> Ah, but there's Microsoft Update :-). Products too, say Office, Visual Studio etc. [13:16:28] <sparcdr> blah [13:16:29] <sparcdr> yeah [13:16:38] <sparcdr> office = ~16 (2003) + vs (3 with sp1) [13:16:47] <sparcdr> plus dotnet [13:16:56] <cmihai> Trust me mate, they're bin. [13:16:57] <sparcdr> and media player and journal viewer and media center updates and extras [13:16:58] <cmihai> big [13:17:01] <cmihai> If you run WSUS, you know that. [13:17:02] <sparcdr> i know they are [13:17:03] <sparcdr> i have an archive [13:17:18] <sparcdr> yep i have wsus experience, 18gb of them for all windows updates [13:17:22] <cmihai> I've got about 40GB repository, just for a couple of systems and architectures. [13:17:25] <sparcdr> 2000/xp/2003 that is [13:17:30] <cmihai> Yeah [13:17:30] <sparcdr> and only x86 [13:17:31] <sparcdr> not x64 [13:17:32] <sparcdr> :/ [13:17:34] <cmihai> Heh [13:17:53] <sparcdr> not counting 100mb for vista either x 2 + ultimate extras [13:18:01] <cmihai> Still, WSUS / Microsoft Update rocks. [13:18:06] <sparcdr> it works [13:18:12] <cmihai> Kind of makes you wish Sun had something _sane_ [13:18:15] <sparcdr> still makes me cringe [13:18:38] <sparcdr> sun has it, not sane though, they make it difficult to archive, assuming you're always online and have assloads of bandwidth 24/7 [13:18:42] <sparcdr> which they do :/ [13:18:47] <rasputnik> cmihai, sparcdr : you tried PCA? [13:18:50] <sparcdr> PCA? [13:19:36] <rasputnik> yeah, for handling patches automatically : http://typo.submonkey.net/articles/2006/12/15/throwing-suns-patch-management-tools-away [13:19:41] <tsoome> sun screwed pca [13:19:42] <infidel> how do i add a directory to my PATH? [13:19:55] <cmihai> sparcdr, well, I've got WSUS 3 here, and it's wonderfull. You can impose policies, test updates and approve them, have host group policies and so on. It also has all kinds of updates too. It's a real bandwidth saver. [13:19:59] <tsoome> you cant get patchdiag.xref with wget any more [13:20:14] <sparcdr> infidel, setenv PATH="/path:$PATH" (csh) or export PATH="/path:$PATH" [13:20:23] <rasputnik> tsoome: really? since when? [13:20:27] <sparcdr> blah tsoome i had to manually add every patch from sunsolve into patch-list.txt [13:20:28] <infidel> sparcdr, thanks [13:20:31] <sparcdr> it was annoying as hell [13:20:45] <tsoome> quite a while [13:20:52] <sparcdr> cmihai, i have wsus 2 experience [13:21:09] <rasputnik> tsoome: bugger it. looked quite nice that. So what, you have to manually copy the file down, or....? [13:21:18] <tsoome> yes [13:21:22] <sparcdr> cmihai, i bet it is, unfortunately for me the initial getting cant be done all at once [13:21:31] <tsoome> download it and then it can do [13:21:43] <rasputnik> tsoome: ah ok. Not the end of the world then. [13:21:46] <sparcdr> yes rasputnik i had to do that to get sunsolve ones, there's no xml file, and imagine in 3 months when i have to recopy and diff it [13:21:54] <tsoome> but i really cant get how its so impossible for sun to implement decent patch update system [13:22:04] <sparcdr> it isn't, they just want contracts [13:22:11] <rasputnik> tsoome: full ack. It's horrendous at the moment [13:22:18] <sparcdr> if you have sunsolve contract (SunSpectrum) you can download all of it easily [13:22:22] <tsoome> at the moment?! [13:22:34] <tsoome> it has always been [13:22:36] <sparcdr> but they make it pulling teeth for me, I bought their machine, and Solaris is free, it's a bunch of horsesh*t [13:22:53] <rasputnik> tsoome: :) I only just built a Solaris 10 box, still a bit of a noob (been on Nevada for a year or so though) [13:22:54] <sparcdr> it's less break prone now, it was far worse :/ [13:23:03] <sparcdr> i know from experience with solaris 9 [13:23:05] <sparcdr> :(((( [13:23:22] <sparcdr> makes me want to burn myself and die in a garbage can [13:23:30] <rasputnik> ugh, nicotine gum tastes horrible [13:23:50] <sparcdr> rasputnik, yeah [13:23:51] <sparcdr> :/ [13:23:52] <tsoome> well, i got solaris 2.0 cd as demo. installed 2.2 or was it 2.3 [13:23:59] <sparcdr> dont even mention that [13:24:08] <sparcdr> that's like holy fsck old :D [13:24:25] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: wanna see my SVR3.2 media? [13:24:29] <flyingparchment> (for m68k!) [13:24:31] <sparcdr> ive seen it [13:24:37] <sparcdr> you showed me both [13:24:40] <tsoome> and patch management has never been decent:D [13:24:47] <flyingparchment> did i? i must know you from somewhere else then [13:24:49] <sparcdr> tsoome, less painful [13:24:54] * quasi still has 2.6 in production on an E4500 [13:24:57] <sparcdr> i still want to die a horrible death [13:25:01] <sparcdr> quasi, ouch [13:25:14] <sparcdr> ok flyingparchment [13:25:25] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris [13:25:28] <quasi> sparcdr: it is on my list of things to kill [13:25:39] <PerterB> tsoome: pca still works fine, you just might need to riun the dev version [13:25:43] <sparcdr> quasi, no worries i've already peed on it a few times [13:25:46] <sparcdr> Sun Connection that is [13:25:52] <flyingparchment> pca is no good if you don't have a contract [13:25:58] <tsoome> PerterB: ah, ok, i see... [13:26:01] <flyingparchment> it can't distinguish between free and contract patches [13:26:09] <sparcdr> i dont and i dont intend in getting one for a single system at my home [13:26:25] <quasi> flyingparchment: it used to be just fine at downloading the contract patches [13:26:26] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, which is why i handmade the damned patch-list.txt and used their script [13:26:38] <PerterB> flyingparchment: yeah, but if you care about the machien surely you have a contract.... and if you don't care then you don't need to patch it [13:26:41] <flyingparchment> quasi: uhm, did you try downloading the contract patches when you don't have a contract? [13:27:07] <quasi> flyingparchment: yeah [13:27:08] <tsoome> you cant:) [13:27:17] <quasi> it used to work just fine [13:27:25] <flyingparchment> PerterB: /i/ care.. i've been trying to buy a contract for the last year :) [13:27:32] <flyingparchment> PerterB: i think this week it might actually happen [13:27:33] <quasi> but that's gotta be 6months ago [13:27:38] <flyingparchment> (i hate working for non-profits.) [13:27:38] <PerterB> flyingparchment: ah :) [13:27:52] <sparcdr> PerterB, i bought a sun machine, solaris is free, there's always been a confusion between public and private patches, they have made efforts to make all the patches public that need to be finally, but it's still a mess [13:28:03] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, i bought a hardware-only warrenty with my ultra-20 [13:28:25] <sparcdr> i can support myself, i just want sunspectrum private stuff, and alas, 720/3yr is not worth it for a home workstation [13:28:26] <tsoome> what is hw only warranty? [13:28:30] <sparcdr> for a server, hell yes i'd do that [13:28:49] <sparcdr> tsoome, same day hardware replacement for sun systems, no software support, it's 1/2 the cost of sunspectrum [13:28:57] <tsoome> ok [13:28:58] <sparcdr> which is otherwise known as hw + sw [13:29:05] <flyingparchment> patches are only $240/socket/year [13:29:07] <sparcdr> check sun's store for options youll see [13:29:12] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, per year ;/ [13:29:17] <sparcdr> blah id pay 120 [13:29:24] <flyingparchment> yeah, used to be 120 :( [13:29:34] <flyingparchment> 120 is fine, i guess 240 is verging on a lot for a home user [13:29:37] <sparcdr> 120 is perfect, 10/mo :) [13:29:51] *** Vorbis_w57 has quit IRC [13:30:08] <sparcdr> it is a lot, this is for work at home, away from work, i still need the same level of support as a server/work server system, but this is out of pocket [13:30:19] <sparcdr> it rapes me having to keep licenses in check [13:31:00] <sparcdr> if they lower it to 120, then ill buy it, i understand hardware/server costs and bandwidth, and that's more than fair for no more 1gb of patches/yr [13:31:03] <sparcdr> but double that just irks me [13:31:48] <tsoome> anyhow, my last exp with smpatch was funny: did smpatch update. all patches were downloaded and installed, except kernel patch - it was marked interactive. ok, patchadd..... and it told me im missing some other patch and cant install that kernal patch. [13:31:55] <sparcdr> o.o [13:31:58] <sparcdr> hahaha [13:32:01] <sparcdr> sounds right [13:32:08] <tsoome> sorry, but i really dont wanna pay for this kind of "service" [13:32:15] <sparcdr> ive had smpatch fail on me 2 of 3 times [13:32:34] <sparcdr> yeah, agreed, that's another aspect of why 240 just makes me want to kill them and bury them in the sand [13:32:46] <tsoome> exactly [13:32:56] <tsoome> its not damn pay-tc [13:32:59] <tsoome> tv* [13:33:15] <sparcdr> i mean sh*t, microsoft includes it with windows (Yes, solaris is free) and it equates to 100/yr with os support included [13:33:18] <tsoome> with self service:P [13:33:42] <sparcdr> i do self-service, just gimme fscking patches easily so i dont have to wear out my keyboard to type out patch-list.txt manually [13:33:55] <tsoome> lol:D [13:34:44] <flyingparchment> what is the ldap class for a /etc/hosts entry? [13:35:03] <tsoome> ? [13:35:10] <sparcdr> i vote on the gimme-patch script... it reads a remote xml file and says hi2u here's patches and thus delivers patches with 14 chars instead of oh, let's just say 5 x 533 chars on my patch-add [13:35:51] <sparcdr> gimme-patch -d (download) [13:35:57] <sparcdr> and thus i would be happy :/ [13:36:01] <Tempt> err [13:36:06] <Tempt> you mean pca -d -a [13:36:10] <tsoome> :) [13:36:16] <sparcdr> no i mean sun supported patch grabber [13:36:23] <Tempt> meh [13:36:23] <sparcdr> one that can just give me all the public patches [13:36:25] <Tempt> pca is good enough [13:36:26] <sparcdr> and not break [13:36:33] <sparcdr> blah, can it download them all? [13:36:40] <sparcdr> or does it fetch and rm them ;/ [13:37:00] <tsoome> with -d it will download only [13:37:01] <PerterB> you can run it in download mode to maintain a local patch archive [13:37:04] <Tempt> yes, -d for download [13:37:20] <sparcdr> hmm [13:37:21] <sparcdr> ill try it [13:37:23] <sparcdr> thanks [13:39:48] <sparcdr> brb [13:42:12] *** axisys has quit IRC [13:42:19] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [13:43:48] *** renihs has joined #opensolaris [13:47:09] <sparcdr> wow i got 532/533 patches to download :) [13:47:34] <Tempt> That's a lot of patches ... [13:47:42] <sparcdr> got them all now [13:48:26] *** kszwed has joined #opensolaris [13:48:30] <sparcdr> my personal archive of sunsolve public patches. yeah and about that, i read the eula, as long as 3rd parties dont get ahold of the files im fine :) [13:48:48] <sparcdr> damn that's a big archive... 561M [13:48:50] <sparcdr> :X [13:49:09] <sparcdr> that's more patches than all windows xp ones + office and 1/2 of visual studio sp1 [13:49:16] <coffman> sparcdr: delete one pr0n and your fine [13:49:22] <sparcdr> i have no pron sir [13:49:25] <sparcdr> i stream it :/ [13:49:36] <coffman> poor guy [13:49:43] <sparcdr> i have dvds :D [13:50:40] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC [13:51:00] <sparcdr> i gotta go do work now [13:51:09] <sparcdr> nice being around for a while seeing you guys [13:51:23] <sparcdr> if you need me for something (Dunno why you would) ill be idling [13:51:58] <Berny> .oO(hmm my local patchserver repo is 3.5gigs) [13:52:50] <sparcdr> Berny, for? mine is just solaris 10 x86 [13:53:08] <Berny> .oO(i should write a script to keep the latest patchrev only :>) [13:53:14] <Berny> sol8,9,10 [13:53:23] <sparcdr> sparc would be slightly bigger than x86 (est: 600mb+) just for sol10 [13:53:41] <sparcdr> yeah i just downloaded them all, even though a few said depreciated in favor of patch-xyz [13:53:45] <Berny> yeah thats only sparc [13:54:10] <sparcdr> incase i have a system that for some reason needs a patch that isnt current (eg: im using 03/06 instead of 06/06 or 08/07) [13:54:17] <sparcdr> for whatever reason [13:54:29] <sparcdr> i havent even got the sun studio 11 patches :/ [13:55:02] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [13:55:04] <Berny> i do [13:55:23] <sparcdr> are those even available via sunsolve public? [13:55:47] <flyingparchment> sparcdr: have you logged into sunsolve today? did you notice that you can access protected content? [13:55:54] <sparcdr> no [13:56:00] <sparcdr> ill check [13:56:16] <flyingparchment> example: http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-1-6466048-1 [13:56:21] <flyingparchment> Document Audience: SPECTRUM [13:57:07] <sparcdr> some of the patches shouldnt be private imho, finally they've been slowly reducng the restriction [13:57:50] <sparcdr> hmm, yeah it comes up flyingparchment [13:59:18] <Berny> eek [14:00:35] <flyingparchment> either they finally opened up the useful stuff, or there's a bug in sunsolve ;) [14:00:43] <sparcdr> nice bug :D [14:02:14] <Berny> someone tried building interbase/firebird with studio 11? [14:04:20] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [14:04:35] <infidel> what do you guys use as plugins for firefox to watch videos? [14:04:50] <Berny> mplayer-plugin [14:05:10] <sparcdr> nope Berny [14:05:34] <sparcdr> Konqueror KIO / Firefox/Mplayer-plugin [14:05:44] <Berny> oh well, i'll go and have fun myself then [14:06:22] <infidel> sparcdr, where can i find the plugin? [14:06:58] <sparcdr> it's not a plugin if you mean Konqueror, it's part of kde. If you mean the Gecko plugin one sec [14:07:07] <rasputnik> flyingparchment: doesn't let me in (I have a Sun account, but not a valid service plan) [14:07:13] <sparcdr> http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ [14:07:18] <sparcdr> same here rasputnik [14:07:28] <infidel> sparcdr, ok thanks [14:07:39] <sparcdr> np [14:09:13] <sparcdr> infidel, make sure you compile it with gcc not sun studio [14:09:47] <infidel> sparcdr, ok thanks for the heads up [14:10:06] <sparcdr> no worries [14:10:13] *** andyshack has joined #opensolaris [14:10:16] *** hile_ has quit IRC [14:15:56] *** master_o1_master has joined #opensolaris [14:17:07] *** fbo has joined #opensolaris [14:18:19] <andyshack> Maybe I'm stupid : I log in as andy, create directory, chmod to 755, login as another user of the same group and cant write to that dir. Apart from the complete UNIX manual what should i be pondering ? [14:18:34] <flyingparchment> you need 775 to write to the directory [14:18:39] <flyingparchment> 7 = rwx, 5 = r-x [14:18:58] <andyshack> i think i tried that! ill double check. thanks [14:19:16] <jmcp> andyshack: the perms are a bitmap that's commonly represented in octal [14:19:36] <jmcp> r = 4, w = 2, x = 1 --> so 775 is rwxrwxrx [14:19:38] <sparcdr> learn acls or use groups and add +rw to that directory for the group [14:19:48] <andyshack> oh yeah ive been trying to install that in my brain the past while [14:19:49] <sparcdr> eg "users" [14:20:11] <jmcp> andyshack: the umask(1) manpage explains it quite well [14:20:20] <sparcdr> haha install it.. it more like washes up into your braincells like water on the rocks of a beach [14:20:31] <andyshack> ok ill check that out too thanks jmcp [14:23:07] *** dpn` has quit IRC [14:23:13] <andyshack> mm 775 gave me no joy. I'll have a look into it some more first. 777 of course does work, although I know thats bad :) [14:25:16] *** Highlander has joined #opensolaris [14:25:16] *** JWheeler has quit IRC [14:26:10] <sparcdr> as i said groups [14:26:23] <sparcdr> you must add both users to a group, eg users and chgrp the directory, then use 775 [14:26:49] <sparcdr> groupadd -g 100 users for instance then vi /etc/group and after the colon add the users to users group [14:27:04] <sparcdr> then logout then back in to reflect changes [14:27:18] <andyshack> Ok thanks doc! [14:27:24] <sparcdr> heh :) [14:27:44] <sparcdr> so chgrp users /path/to/dir after adding group [14:27:45] <andyshack> on a side note, does svcadm control bind9 ? [14:27:55] <sparcdr> Andrew_, it can [14:28:03] <sparcdr> er andyshack [14:28:17] <sparcdr> tab complete doesnt work when you're not paying attention [14:29:26] <andyshack> what I've noticed is that svcadm reload dns/server doesnt hit me with an error yet wont reload name.d for me. I've had trouble working out or even finding info on the googles as to how to restart bind. [14:29:58] <jmcp> did you try "svcadm restart" ? [14:29:59] <jmcp> or reload? [14:30:22] <sparcdr> well when you tel rndc to rehash the config it should be fine. but i dont know if smf's bind9 svc has a part for that in the manifest [14:30:45] <sparcdr> you can add it at the risk of upgrade breakage in the future of the service [14:30:53] <andyshack> I *think* i did try restart aswell as reload although i double check when i make the next change. [14:31:23] <andyshack> reboot works well although is annoying waiting ;) [14:31:36] <jmcp> andyshack: if you run "svcs -l dns/server" then you should see the location of the service logfile and with any luck that'll tell you more [14:31:47] <andyshack> oh nice! [14:31:58] <jmcp> man svcadm(1m), svcs(1m) [14:32:07] <flyingparchment> shocking, linux kerberos interacts with solaris with no problems [14:32:20] <sparcdr> flyingparchment, same goes for nfs and nis too ;O [14:32:29] <flyingparchment> not so much for nfs :) [14:32:31] <sparcdr> minus editing /etc/default/nfs for maximum protocol [14:32:34] <sparcdr> that's the fix [14:32:39] <flyingparchment> yeah [14:32:54] <sparcdr> kerberos less so interoperable. heck osx is more interoperable with nfsv4 than linux :( [14:33:01] <sparcdr> in regard to krb5 [14:33:12] <flyingparchment> hm, i don't do kerberized nfs [14:33:17] <sparcdr> oh [14:33:18] <sparcdr> aight :) [14:33:50] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris [14:34:16] <sparcdr> hi2u JWheeler [14:34:44] <JWheeler> hi sparcdr [14:34:55] <sparcdr> :) [14:35:08] <sparcdr> andyshack, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/fddwo#hic [14:35:23] <JWheeler> I don't think I've ever recieved a 'hi2u' before... what is the formal response? [14:35:29] <sparcdr> hi :) [14:35:30] <jmcp> hiback ? [14:35:34] <flyingparchment> JWheeler: 'hai fren how r u' [14:35:36] <rasputnik> oh, just noticed the x2100 has ILOM now. Neat. Might get one for home.. [14:35:43] <sparcdr> whatever you like ust say hi or smile [14:35:58] <JWheeler> flyingparchment: I never did work out that type of speaking [14:35:59] <sparcdr> rasputnik, yeah, you mean the second iteration [14:36:03] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [14:36:06] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [14:36:13] <sparcdr> although I have experience with ALOM on T2000 and it's sure sexy [14:36:14] <andyshack> is sysadmin a default included group in solaris 10 ? im looking at /etc/group to see whats already there before i make changes. [14:36:20] <sparcdr> yes [14:36:42] <sparcdr> sparcdr@sol10 ~$ cat /etc/group|grep sysad [14:36:42] <sparcdr> sysadmin::14:sparcdr [14:36:58] * flyingparchment uses 'staff' rather than 'sysadmin' [14:36:59] <andyshack> Yep, thats it. thanks. [14:37:05] <jmcp> andyshack: it's been there since s8 or maybe even earlier [14:37:15] <rasputnik> sparcdr: yeah, the M2. Same board the x4100 has by the looks of it. They're really nice. [14:37:23] <sparcdr> potato potato both are included [14:37:34] <flyingparchment> the SP on the X4100 is a bit crappy [14:37:39] <sparcdr> rasputnik, ive never seen one of their x64 servers tbh [14:37:46] <sparcdr> not irl that is [14:37:46] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [14:37:49] <flyingparchment> compared to the earlier v20z/v40z, or the sparc stuff [14:38:17] <quasi> flyingparchment: there's a big differemce between x4100 and x4100M2 [14:38:18] <sparcdr> i have experience with Ultra-2, Ultra-60, and T2000... th Ultra-60 was based on E250 board [14:38:21] <rasputnik> sparcdr: tried and buyed a few. ILOM is very similar to ALOM, but you can map your display and DVD drive into the remote server for installs [14:38:34] <quasi> flyingparchment: yeah, v20z/v40z sp is very nice [14:38:35] <sparcdr> rasputnik, yeah [14:38:36] <flyingparchment> quasi: aren't they both the cruddy 'start /SP/console' stuff? [14:38:50] <andyshack> oh, I already have a staff group. re comment from flyingparchment is that non standard and I may assume that the sysadmin put that there for staff ? [14:38:57] <flyingparchment> my X4100 SP crashed recently, i had to log in as sunservice and reboot it.. [14:39:04] *** moo_cow has joined #opensolaris [14:39:06] <quasi> flyingparchment: the non M2 model works better from my experience [14:39:08] <sparcdr> andyshack, not sure, theyre both default [14:39:14] *** quobecha has quit IRC [14:39:32] <flyingparchment> i'm not sure if this is a X4100 or a X4100 M2 [14:39:51] <andyshack> any harm in adding users to the already standard staff group you think ? [14:40:37] <kszwed> the sp in those boxes are linux/ppc with apache ;) [14:41:28] <jmcp> andyshack: no harm at all [14:41:39] <andyshack> Cheers. [14:41:43] <sparcdr> no [14:41:46] <sparcdr> no harm [14:42:25] <sparcdr> stupid csk [14:42:32] <sparcdr> httpd: Syntax error on line 118 of /opt/coolstack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /opt/coolstack/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: ld.so.1: httpd: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/coolstack/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: symbol xmlParserInputBufferCreateFilenameDefault: referenced symbol not found [14:42:50] <sparcdr> blah xml extension seems borked or something [14:43:00] <quasi> sparcdr: ldd /opt/coolstack/apache2/modules/libphp5.so [14:43:03] *** WickyBRB has quit IRC [14:43:18] <quasi> sparcdr: to see what it tries to link in [14:45:01] <sparcdr> libmysqlclient, libcrypt (system), libncurses (system), libssl (sfw), libcrypto (sfw), libxml (system), libm (system), libsocket (system), libiconv, libexpat, libgcc (sfw), libgen (system), libscf (system), libdoor (system), libmp (system), libaio (system), libgen (system), libmd5 (system), libpthread (system), libresolv (system), and libuutil (system) [14:45:39] <sparcdr> oh and libxml2 (system) [14:46:11] <quasi> so check the libxml2 that it tries to grab - does it exist where it thinks it is? [14:46:13] <sparcdr> ah i got it i think [14:46:27] *** ashner has quit IRC [14:46:40] <sparcdr> php5/lib isnt in ld path [14:46:44] <sparcdr> maybe that's it? [14:47:18] <sparcdr> nope hah [14:47:21] <coffman> is it on solaris 10 ? [14:47:24] <sparcdr> yes [14:47:27] <sparcdr> U3 with CSK 1.1 [14:47:31] <quasi> possibly - although I doubt that's where the system libxml is [14:47:43] <coffman> hm, you might as well need a newer libxm version [14:47:54] <sparcdr> root@sol10 /opt/coolstack# find / -name libxml2.so.2 [14:47:55] <sparcdr> /usr/lib/amd64/libxml2.so.2 [14:47:55] <sparcdr> /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 [14:48:09] <quasi> perhaps missing /usr/sfw/lib or /opt/sfw/lib [14:48:10] <coffman> yeah, but still [14:48:11] <sparcdr> it's there, maybe a kludge with bitness [14:48:25] <sparcdr> it's running on x86_64 and LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't include amd64 [14:48:39] <sparcdr> but php is 32-bit because of dependencies and the fact of apache being preforked [14:48:52] <coffman> i had to comppile a newer libxml version on solaris 10 for php [14:49:03] <flyingparchment> why do i get 'kadmin: Bad encryption type while changing host/clematis.ts.wikimedia.org's key' when i try to use 'kclient' to initialise a kerberos client? [14:49:08] <sparcdr> quasi, /opt/sfw/lib isnt correct, it's always in /usr [14:49:24] <flyingparchment> the KDC is actually on the same server as the client (a zone), so i don't understand why it could be a bad encryption ype [14:49:38] <sparcdr> ill try changing order of LD_LIBRARY_PATH to prefer sfw libxml2 [14:50:14] <sparcdr> nope [14:50:22] <coffman> sparcdr: pkginfo -l SUNWlxml [14:50:43] <sparcdr> VERSION: 11.10.0,REV=2005.01.08.01.09 [14:50:57] <coffman> sparcdr: DESC: [14:51:15] <coffman> VERSION is useless [14:51:17] <sparcdr> libxml2-2.6.10 [14:51:37] <jmcp> coffman: no it isn't [14:51:46] <jmcp> coffman: it tells you when the package was built [14:51:59] <jmcp> granted, it's not incredibly helpful info, but it's better than nothing [14:52:04] <sparcdr> hmm [14:52:06] <sparcdr> any ideas? [14:52:12] * jmcp counts sccs %I% under "next to useless" [14:52:16] <sparcdr> they tested it on A U2 im on U3 [14:52:21] <sparcdr> should work [14:52:30] <sparcdr> backwards compatible wise that is [14:52:37] <sparcdr> no patches applied fwiw [14:52:56] <sparcdr> i added ssl and it killed it, but it is complaining about libxml2 [14:53:05] <sparcdr> maybe just another symptom [14:53:27] <coffman> sparcdr: your libxml version is to old [14:53:38] <sparcdr> coffman, bug report? [14:53:55] <sparcdr> any ideas how to fix the kludge, i have blastwave [14:54:04] <coffman> sparcdr: i did php 5 builds by my self [14:54:14] <coffman> on solaris 10 [14:54:21] <sparcdr> im using coolstack, it's optimized, but i dont mind compiling by hand [14:54:29] <sparcdr> ill recompile a newer libxml2 from my archive [14:54:53] <coffman> 2.6.2x should be fine [14:54:58] <sparcdr> hmm alright [14:55:23] *** Pedro1 has joined #opensolaris [14:55:32] <sparcdr> okay give me a minute or two [14:59:13] *** cyril_plisko has quit IRC [15:01:13] <andyshack> Thanks for the help folks, I'm going to go bash my designer so i feel better ;) I've logged all that to chew through and work out. [15:01:23] *** andyshack has quit IRC [15:02:18] *** billbrasky has joined #opensolaris [15:03:00] <sparcdr> fixed [15:03:12] <sparcdr> libxml-2.6.30 installed and no errors [15:03:33] <sparcdr> perfect [15:07:31] <sparcdr> now to fix ssl problem so smf can stop complaining (apachectl works, no ssl, says invalid signature even though server.crt looks fine) [15:07:42] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [15:09:53] *** infidel has quit IRC [15:12:24] *** qingl has joined #opensolaris [15:13:26] <sparcdr> fixed [15:14:15] <sparcdr> :) [15:14:53] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris [15:14:59] *** tinman2k has joined #opensolaris [15:15:02] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [15:15:17] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:16:11] *** billbrasky has quit IRC [15:18:06] <sparcdr> smf is still having issues, ssl works, php works, but only from apachectl, and ive refreshed, disabled, enable, and cleared the smf csk-http service several times. any idea? the logs are complaining that files dont exist which do and manual launching works [15:19:02] <sparcdr> and it's not putting anything into the logs after i rmed the log, so no errors are showing, thus i cannot troubleshoot why smf is failing to start csk-http [15:19:09] <sparcdr> so any ideas why smf is having trouble? [15:19:33] <flyingparchment> did you sacrifice a goat? [15:19:40] <sparcdr> of course [15:19:58] *** Gekz[PDA] is now known as terriorist [15:20:05] <Tempt> silly boys [15:20:09] <Tempt> goats are for SCSI termination problems. [15:20:21] <sparcdr> i sacrified a rock tbh [15:21:40] <sparcdr> no errors in error.log (apache2/logs) or in /var/svc/logs/network-csk-http:CSKapache2.log [15:21:45] <sparcdr> and it starts from apachectl [15:22:04] <tinman2k> Maybe I came in late. Did you scroll the xml here? I can have a look if you would like to email them. [15:22:13] <sparcdr> o.o [15:22:22] <sparcdr> you mean the manifests? [15:22:43] <tinman2k> yeah [15:22:46] <sparcdr> sure [15:22:53] <sparcdr> ill give you all valuable data [15:22:55] <sparcdr> pm e-mail [15:22:55] <tinman2k> k [15:23:52] *** Odin- has quit IRC [15:24:12] *** flyingparchment has quit IRC [15:25:17] *** flyingparchment has joined #opensolaris [15:25:29] <flyingparchment> that was interesting. my uid changed, and i couldn't attach my screen anymore [15:25:47] *** terriorist is now known as Gekz[PDA] [15:25:50] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:28:45] <sparcdr> tinman2k, ? [15:29:01] <tinman2k> Did you not get the PM? [15:29:04] <sparcdr> no [15:29:31] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:29:32] <tinman2k> Hummm. Ill try again, I am using pidgin, I am used to other clients [15:29:39] <sparcdr> blah [15:29:50] <tinman2k> now? [15:29:51] <sparcdr> sparcdr [at] sparcdr [dot] com [15:29:54] <sparcdr> no [15:31:16] *** pfa3rh has joined #opensolaris [15:31:19] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [15:31:28] <tinman2k> sent [15:31:41] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC [15:31:46] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris [15:32:03] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris [15:32:44] <sparcdr> sent [15:32:48] <coffman> sparcdr: lxml fixed it? [15:32:55] <sparcdr> yeah coffman [15:33:06] *** madhatter has quit IRC [15:33:07] <coffman> nice [15:33:12] <sparcdr> libxml2-2.1.30 from source [15:33:13] *** madhatter has joined #opensolaris [15:33:23] <sparcdr> fixed ssl too [15:33:27] <madhatter> re [15:33:28] <sparcdr> just smf being real dumb [15:33:57] <tinman2k> got it [15:33:58] <coffman> maybe no config in place? [15:35:11] <sparcdr> haha [15:35:12] <sparcdr> funny [15:35:15] <sparcdr> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/709199 [15:36:07] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [15:39:39] <coffman> sparcdr: svcs -l http:apache2 ? [15:40:03] <sparcdr> it's csk-http [15:40:23] * jmcp sleeps [15:40:34] <sparcdr> one sec [15:41:00] <sparcdr> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/709205 [15:43:04] *** qingl has quit IRC [15:43:13] <coffman> sparcdr: cat /var/svc/log/network-csk-http:CSKapache2.log ? [15:43:20] <sparcdr> i did [15:43:28] <sparcdr> i rmed it, should have recreated itself [15:44:05] <sparcdr> k new stuff showed up [15:44:27] <sparcdr> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/709210 [15:45:13] <sparcdr> oddly enough starting from apachectl works [15:45:43] *** Andrew_ has quit IRC [15:45:58] *** Andrew____ has joined #opensolaris [15:47:04] <coffman> sparcdr: there you have your problem [15:47:09] <sparcdr> ? [15:47:13] <sparcdr> the syntax is right [15:47:33] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [15:47:37] <sparcdr> SSLCertificateFile /export/www/ssl/server.crt [15:47:51] <sparcdr> apachectl works with it [15:47:56] <coffman> # [15:47:56] <coffman> Syntax error on line 103 of /opt/coolstack/apache2/conf/extra/httpd-ssl.conf: [15:47:59] <coffman> # [15:48:02] <coffman> SSLCertificateFile: file '/export/www/ssl/server.crt' does not exist or is empty [15:48:03] <sparcdr> again [15:48:09] <sparcdr> it's not wrong, it's not empty [15:48:25] <coffman> sparcdr: permision problem [15:48:29] <sparcdr> root@sol10 /opt/coolstack/apache2/conf# ls -l /export/www/ssl/server.crt [15:48:30] <sparcdr> o.o [15:48:38] <coffman> tsts [15:48:54] *** moo_cow has quit IRC [15:49:03] <coffman> check under which user it is runing, the service [15:49:05] <sparcdr> shouldnt apache be setgid/uid and drop it down to webservd and be able to parse the crt [15:49:35] <sparcdr> then why does apache2 work with it, does smf do extra user control? [15:50:07] <sparcdr> chgrped to webservd and chmodded 440 and it still doesnt go [15:50:57] *** Vorbis_w has quit IRC [15:51:16] <coffman> sparcdr: apachectl will run under the user you started it from? [15:51:48] <sparcdr> yes but it's setgid and it drops perms after utilizing root to have it listen on restricted ports [15:52:14] <sparcdr> it doesnt start under the user i start it from, unless suexec is kicking in [15:53:44] <sparcdr> there is no suexec settings in place, the apache2 module is loaded, no more [15:57:49] <rasputnik> sparcdr: look at SMF manifest - believe it grants/drops privileges in there too. [15:58:15] <sparcdr> negative [15:58:26] <kohju> Hmm... I want the google toolbar for (open)?solaris..... someone knows similar good tools? [15:58:42] <sparcdr> lol [15:58:51] <sparcdr> kohju, developer toolbar and gmail addon work fine [15:59:16] <jbk> morning [15:59:22] <kohju> developer toolbar? [15:59:31] <sparcdr> it might be of use even for non-devs [15:59:40] <sparcdr> i dont know what you specifically want from googletool bar [15:59:43] <sparcdr> what do you want? [15:59:50] <flyingparchment> well this is weird. all of my zones authenticate fine from kerberos except one. [16:00:23] <CIA-25> frankho: [16:00:23] <CIA-25> PSARC 2007/044 Support for timezone mount option in PCFS, PSARC 2007/415 PCFS mount options "noatime"/"atime", 6213409 pcfs alternate FAT #1 corrupted: doesn't say which device, 6258345 Some of the contents of /tmp/SUNWut/mnt/<Username>/ shows wrong date, 6338334 crash in pc_getcluster - filesystem believes it has 29-bit cluster count, 6459843 fix for 1181439 (enabling "hidden") failed to remove old comment in cmd/fs.d/pcfs/mount/mount.c, 6490418 mount op [16:00:24] <CIA-25> {0xc0|0x80|0x40}, Contributed by Juergen Keil <jk at tools dot de>, Contributed by Alexander Zakharov [16:00:24] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [16:02:14] <kohju> sparcdr: this one > http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/toolbar/FT3/intl/en/ [16:02:15] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [16:02:43] <sparcdr> it'll work if you use unzip on it and modify install.rdf to not check os, then rezip it [16:03:19] <kohju> sparcdr: wow. [16:03:42] <kohju> sparcdr: I'll try. thanks. [16:04:06] <sparcdr> mkdir toolbar && mv toolbar.xpi toolbar && cd toolbar && mv toolbar.xpi toolbar.zip && unzip toolbar.zip && vi install.rdf (Remove os check) then zip -r toolbar.zip . and then mv toolbar.zip toolbar.xpi drag into addons in ff [16:05:04] <sparcdr> be weary though it might have glitches, doubtful, but this is google, they arent the most agnostic company (See Safari support taking 1 extra year for google calendar and maps, and lacking support for other browsers, brushing them off by user agent) [16:05:21] <sparcdr> shouldnt be an issue [16:05:22] <sparcdr> brb [16:07:17] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [16:07:28] <kohju> sparcdr: thanks a lot. [16:07:36] <sparcdr> np [16:07:47] <sparcdr> ive done it before when an extension didnt want to work on freebsd :0 [16:09:45] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [16:16:26] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC [16:18:12] <kohju> sparcdr: Now I can use it!, Thanks a lot. [16:18:34] <sparcdr> haha great :) [16:18:44] <kohju> :D [16:18:44] <sparcdr> now send a feature request to google to not check for os [16:18:59] <sparcdr> disable automatic extension checking too [16:19:01] <kohju> yeah. [16:19:21] <sparcdr> *burp* [16:22:37] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [16:22:54] *** kszwed has quit IRC [16:24:11] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [16:26:56] *** quobecha has joined #opensolaris [16:27:41] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [16:27:43] *** Irene-home has joined #opensolaris [16:29:08] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [16:29:55] <sparcdr> there done sorting all the archived patches :S [16:31:13] *** quobecha has left #opensolaris [16:33:37] *** Shiv has joined #opensolaris [16:37:46] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC [16:39:12] *** Shiv has left #opensolaris [16:41:53] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [16:43:30] *** karrotx has quit IRC [16:46:25] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [16:46:48] *** cmihai has quit IRC [16:49:56] *** het has quit IRC [16:50:16] *** het has joined #opensolaris [16:50:32] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [16:55:15] <axisys> dtrace shows lots of http reads http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/709267 .. this ticket system seems slow now [16:55:33] <jbk> uuh [16:55:40] <jbk> i think i just found a bit of a bug with webrev :) [16:55:44] <jbk> though dunno [16:55:49] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [16:56:01] *** rasputnik has quit IRC [16:58:21] *** ICU has quit IRC [16:58:30] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [16:58:34] *** xOmega has joined #opensolaris [16:59:12] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [16:59:35] <jbk> anyone alive have access to cr.opensolaris.org ? [17:02:36] <cmihai> No, it's just for the undead. It's also broken :-). [17:03:32] <fbo> wj quagga [17:04:07] <cmihai> http://www.cr.opensolaris.org.com/ - lol :-)Warning: array_chunk() expects parameter 1 to be array, null given in /home/dan/www/org.com-v2/inc_feed.php on line 49 [17:04:19] <cmihai> The .com mirror is weird. [17:04:27] <asyd> S7 [17:04:45] <flyingparchment> cr.opensolaris.org is stevel's i think [17:05:23] *** Vorbis_w has quit IRC [17:06:15] *** cmihai has quit IRC [17:12:55] <sparcdr> o.o [17:12:55] <sparcdr> :D [17:13:03] <sparcdr> my artwork is scary [17:17:07] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [17:17:16] <gdamore> good morning * [17:18:18] <jbk> hello gdamore [17:19:12] <sparcdr> hi [17:22:53] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [17:25:33] *** zooko has left #opensolaris [17:27:27] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [17:30:18] *** Irene-home has left #opensolaris [17:33:00] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [17:37:32] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:37:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:41:06] *** Mazon is now known as _Mazon [17:41:54] <elektronkind> hey gdamore [17:42:18] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [17:43:47] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [17:43:54] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [17:46:10] *** perlmonk has joined #opensolaris [17:47:40] <gdamore> hey elektronkind. :-) [17:48:22] *** Drone has quit IRC [17:48:39] *** Vorbis_w has quit IRC [17:48:46] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [17:49:20] *** sparcdr has quit IRC [17:51:05] <Fish> hello [17:53:35] <jbk> hi [17:55:13] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [17:57:19] *** laca has quit IRC [17:57:40] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [17:59:01] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [17:59:02] *** Sup3rkiddo has joined #opensolaris [18:00:15] <CIA-25> frankho: 6539301 PCFS FAT type detection / device detection still insufficient (fix cstyle) [18:02:01] *** cmang_ has joined #opensolaris [18:05:34] *** phalenor has quit IRC [18:09:26] *** SteVe- has quit IRC [18:12:43] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:12:45] *** deather has quit IRC [18:13:14] *** cmang has quit IRC [18:14:22] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [18:14:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [18:15:29] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [18:15:33] *** SteVe- has joined #opensolaris [18:19:05] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:20:34] *** Chihan has left #OpenSolaris [18:23:43] *** m0le has quit IRC [18:27:54] *** SteVe- has quit IRC [18:28:34] *** SteVe- has joined #opensolaris [18:35:18] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [18:41:18] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris [18:43:17] *** reflect__ has joined #opensolaris [18:44:25] *** pjlv has quit IRC [18:44:32] *** Dar is now known as Dar_HOME [18:46:43] *** WickyBRB has joined #opensolaris [18:46:44] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [18:51:10] *** reflect_ has quit IRC [18:57:49] *** phalenor has joined #opensolaris [18:58:24] *** peteh has quit IRC [18:58:55] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC [18:59:26] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [19:00:18] *** WickyBRB is now known as WickedWicky [19:00:26] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [19:00:46] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [19:00:49] *** slaq has left #opensolaris [19:00:49] *** ericeatsbrains has joined #opensolaris [19:04:11] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [19:05:01] *** Highlander has quit IRC [19:07:01] *** nostoi has quit IRC [19:07:28] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [19:09:16] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [19:09:44] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC [19:10:34] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris [19:14:56] *** jcea has left #opensolaris [19:16:07] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [19:16:41] *** deather has joined #opensolaris [19:25:57] *** mikefut has quit IRC [19:26:31] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [19:32:18] <Doomshammer> call me stupid, but anybody an idea how to get the SATA AHCI pacakge mentioned in this doc: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/projects/AHCI/ ? [19:32:51] <Doomshammer> ok.. nevermind.. "At the moment, the first phase of ahci driver has been putback into nevada build 56" [19:32:57] <Doomshammer> I've got build 50 [19:33:02] <PerterB> and more recently in b72 [19:33:31] <PerterB> oh wait, b72 was the nvidia one, sorry [19:33:37] <Doomshammer> do you think an upgrade from b50 to b72 would work well? [19:34:28] <PerterB> sure, why not [19:35:09] <Doomshammer> k, we'll see ;-) [19:35:11] <Doomshammer> thx [19:36:32] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [19:37:25] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [19:39:37] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [19:40:38] *** stevel sets mode: +o JBeck [19:42:32] *** nicoAMG has joined #OpenSolaris [19:46:04] <ofu> Doomshammer: ahci doesnt work for me (Intel DG33TL-Mainboard with ICH9R) [19:46:27] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [19:46:45] *** cypromis has quit IRC [19:46:54] *** johnlev has joined #opensolaris [19:47:51] <Doomshammer> ofu: i'm trying to get a promise sata300tx4 to work [19:48:59] <Doomshammer> *lol* the installer fails as I only have 512 MB RAM [19:49:24] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:50:10] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [19:51:07] <nicoAMG> Some advice about the Adaptec SATA 1210SA controller card. Is supported in OpenSolaris CE ? [19:53:15] <Doomshammer> as much as I love Solaris... getting some disk controllers/raid controllers running sucks very much some times :-( [19:53:52] <Doomshammer> I had to mess around with PERC/5i and PERC/5E lately, as Dell shipped the wrong hardware- took me 1 day to get the installer running [19:59:07] <gdamore> Doomshammer: LSI will be shipping a driver for that HBA soon. In the meantime, dlg has an "mfi" driver that will work on PERC. [20:01:53] <Doomshammer> gdamore: i know :) [20:02:18] <Doomshammer> I've replaced that stupid controller by a simple SAS/5E though [20:02:54] <Doomshammer> http://blog.pebcak.de/archives/701-Update-Solaris-10-on-a-Dell-PowerEdge-1950.html <-- My tale of woe ;-) [20:06:56] *** cydork has quit IRC [20:09:20] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [20:09:42] <g4lt-sb100> as in, she got her phone cut off [20:09:47] <g4lt-sb100> ww [20:11:16] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC [20:11:52] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris [20:16:21] *** Vorbis_w has quit IRC [20:18:39] <Doomshammer> any idea if a "downgrade" from SXCE b50 to Solaris 10u4 would work as well? [20:20:15] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [20:22:07] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [20:22:38] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [20:23:18] *** efl has joined #opensolaris [20:24:55] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [20:25:31] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [20:29:35] <cmihai> http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/09/steel-insulators.html - Who needs plastic to insulate coaxial cables? [20:29:50] <cmihai> Well, not a major American networking hardware vendor. [20:30:25] *** xOmega has left #opensolaris [20:30:30] <WickedWicky> lol [20:30:42] <cmihai> Yeah. [20:30:52] <cmihai> From the series: http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/09/bsd-is-gpl-reloaded.html :-) [20:30:57] <cmihai> Godda love those training courses. [20:31:02] <g4lt-sb100> uhm, the whole thing about coaxial is it has a metal shield [20:31:21] <cmihai> Mmmm, yeah, but they've already passed over the whole external copper mesh. [20:31:36] <cmihai> They were talking about the insulation on the central copper wire. [20:33:45] *** stevel has quit IRC [20:34:22] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [20:34:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [20:37:28] <g4lt-sb100> god help you if you had to cut that sumbitch then [20:37:37] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [20:37:42] <sommerfeld> they must have figured out it was steel based on the color used in the illustration. [20:38:00] <sommerfeld> i mean, the center core and braid are clearly copper... [20:38:15] <g4lt-sb100> though, it WOULD tend to prevent lowradiusing ;P [20:38:24] <cmihai> I've seen so many mistakes (eg: kernal instead of kernel, BSD being GPL) that it's clear to me that the people who typed it are just plain stupid. [20:38:45] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [20:38:52] <sommerfeld> i suspect a decent-sized bolt cutter would do the trick for typical coax cable diameters :-) [20:39:01] <cmihai> Or a fire axe. [20:39:09] *** efl has quit IRC [20:39:17] <WickedWicky> how happy are you when you run an old novell coaxial network with all that steel [20:39:17] <sommerfeld> bolt cutter would be less likely to remove your foot, though. [20:39:20] <WickedWicky> nevermind termination [20:39:48] <bda> Is anyone using splunk? [20:40:45] <wesolows> probably; otherwise why would they keep working on it? [20:40:47] *** cypromis has quit IRC [20:42:15] <bda> wesolows: gnaw gnaw gnaw. [20:42:28] * wesolows plays a game of gnaw [20:42:34] <bda> Is anyone using splunk and willing to offer some opinions on it? :) [20:43:04] <bda> A co-worker said something insane, combining the terms "logs" and "wiki" and after the sputtering stopped, I suggested we look into splunk first. [20:44:26] <g4lt-sb100> use nrubsig's twitter shellscript ;P [20:45:12] *** charlesnw has left #opensolaris [20:45:44] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [20:45:50] <bda> g4lt-sb100: >_< [20:46:32] <cmihai> Ugh [20:46:53] <cmihai> Who spilled the jar of 2.0 in the channel? [20:47:09] <comay> bda: ben rockwood (of cuddletech, joyent) has talked about splunk on his blog [20:47:17] <cmihai> Oh, wait, now that I have a blog I can't bitch about it. :-( [20:47:39] <bda> comay: Ah, cool, I will go look. :) [20:49:41] *** likik has joined #opensolaris [20:52:57] *** Odin- has quit IRC [20:55:22] <axisys> anyone know of a tool to find top hitters on a tcp port? [20:56:05] <bda> tcpstat.d, tcptop..? [20:56:12] <bda> (DTraceToolkit) [20:58:45] <axisys> bda: unfortunately that box is sol 8 [20:58:48] <axisys> damn it! [20:58:55] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [20:59:57] <quasi> axisys: just do a bit of cut, sort and uniq -c on your httpd logfile [21:01:41] <bda> axisys: Migrate it to a Solaris 10 Zone with eTude. ;-) [21:03:28] *** Vorbis_w has joined #opensolaris [21:05:04] <axisys> bda: heh [21:05:09] <axisys> quasi: thnx [21:10:20] <quasi> that's how I do my webstats [21:13:57] *** _Mazon is now known as Mazon [21:17:57] <sponix> bda: whats eTude ? [21:18:31] <sponix> sommerfeld: you there ? [21:19:38] <quasi> sponix: Etude is a way to run solaris 8 inside a solaris 10 container [21:20:06] <sponix> quasi: that work on both sparc and x86 ? [21:20:34] <quasi> sponix: I would imagine so - but my money is on sparc [21:20:37] <trochej> Mornin' [21:21:00] <sponix> quasi: cost $ ? [21:21:19] <quasi> sponix: 0 [21:21:35] *** gavagai_ has joined #opensolaris [21:21:40] <sponix> quasi: that would be perfect for my box [21:21:51] <quasi> at least I think so [21:22:14] <sponix> quasi: its solaris 8 sparc, if it would run all its programs flawlessly inside a sol 10 container that would be sexy [21:24:35] <cmihai> What sucked so much about Solaris 9? [21:24:38] <WickedWicky> sponix: I asked if Estude is publicly available earlier today [21:24:44] <WickedWicky> which would help me heaps [21:24:56] <WickedWicky> Etude too [21:26:02] <WickedWicky> even if it's gamma state, I'd love to give it a go [21:27:34] *** andy__ has quit IRC [21:27:48] *** andy__ has joined #opensolaris [21:32:30] <quasi> cmihai: sol9 was a whole lot faster than sol 8 [21:32:47] <quasi> cmihai: many nice performance improvements [21:33:02] <sommerfeld> am now [21:34:32] <cmihai> quasi, sure, but I haven't actually seen it live in production. EVERYONE still uses Solaris 8 and Oracle 9i for some damn reason. [21:34:42] <WickedWicky> we dont [21:34:43] <WickedWicky> :P [21:35:07] <Marv|LG> hey hey we use solaris 8 and oracle 8 [21:35:14] <WickedWicky> Solaris 9/05HW + Sun cluster 3.1u4 + Cluster Agents for Oracle 9AS [21:35:37] <WickedWicky> and it runs bootylicious [21:35:52] <cmihai> Marv|LG, heh. Keeping things nice and ancient huh? :-) [21:36:16] <quasi> cmihai: a previous $job had hundreds of boxes on sol 9, and I even have a few at $currentjob [21:36:18] <Marv|LG> I will not even discuss our Linux version, it makes me sick to my stomach [21:36:28] <WickedWicky> RH 5.2? [21:36:29] <quasi> cmihai: works well enough [21:36:38] <cmihai> Hm.. Red Hat 7? [21:36:42] <cmihai> Nah mate, 7 was the bad ass back in the day. [21:36:52] <wesolows> 7 was terrible [21:37:06] <wesolows> I'm guessing he's using Yggdrasil Plug and Play, or maybe SLS [21:37:07] <Marv|LG> 6.2 was the last good Redhat release in my opinion [21:37:11] <wesolows> Marv|LG: Yep [21:37:18] <quasi> Marv|LG: +1 [21:37:27] <Tiger^> yeah [21:37:32] <Tiger^> but 5 was crap, too. [21:37:37] <quasi> about the time I started calling them deadrat [21:37:42] <Tiger^> 4.2 before that was quite good. [21:37:43] <wesolows> libc5 -> glibc = pain [21:37:48] <WickedWicky> wesolows yep [21:37:57] <WickedWicky> doomed to break [21:38:00] <wesolows> then they got their stuff together for one major release [21:38:12] <wesolows> and then they went completely off the rails and have been in the weeds ever since [21:38:19] *** Pedro1 has quit IRC [21:38:39] <cmihai> Heh, people still use RHEL 3... [21:38:46] <cmihai> Don't see many upgrading to 4 or 5. [21:39:11] <WickedWicky> We use 3 update 4 and 4 update 3 [21:39:22] <WickedWicky> 5 we're experimenting with to see what breaks [21:39:37] <Marv|LG> we use redhat 4 a bit here and there, they would not let me try redhat 5 out [21:40:10] <WickedWicky> we seem to have problems getting the LPFC multipath driver working under 5 [21:40:11] <madhatter> Just curious, how long does it really take to get one of those free DVD boxes from Sun? Anybody ordered one? [21:40:25] <cmihai> Bout' 2 weeks to 2 months. [21:40:30] <WickedWicky> lol [21:40:37] <cmihai> I ordered 2... [21:40:37] <WickedWicky> what an ETA [21:40:56] <cmihai> A Solaris 10 and it took about a month.. and another one 3 months ago, but nothing came. [21:41:10] <WickedWicky> well, a friend of mine asked for a quote at dell and got an cute email back he'll recieve the quote within 60 days [21:41:13] <WickedWicky> that looks odd [21:41:39] <cmihai> Did I mention it's a 15 minute download for me? :P [21:41:51] <madhatter> cmihai: Oh, okay... I am afraid mine won't arrive here, too [21:42:07] <WickedWicky> but but but! it wont be in a flashy casing when you download! [21:43:29] <madhatter> WickedWicky: I was hoping for a free t-shirt coming with that dvd box ;) [21:48:36] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [21:48:44] <WickedWicky> Zone <medusa-dev> is initialized. [21:48:47] <WickedWicky> oh baby! yes yes yes! [21:49:44] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [21:53:09] * WickedWicky is now officialy zone devirginized [21:53:30] <WickedWicky> it takes a fair share of time to install a zone on a Ultra 5 though :P [21:54:08] <quasi> WickedWicky: go for sparse zones then rather than whole root - it saves time on the copying [21:55:31] <WickedWicky> hm [21:56:53] <quasi> or even better - stick them on zfs and go from there [21:57:45] <WickedWicky> an ZFS filesystem was created automaticly when I did the zoneadm -z ... install [21:57:59] <WickedWicky> I did a remove inherited-pkg-dir opon creation though [21:58:06] <WickedWicky> since I really want this to be a seperated thing [21:58:42] <quasi> create -b does that as well [21:58:47] <WickedWicky> so I guess I could save some time by using the global zone's /usr /platform and /lib [21:58:52] <WickedWicky> ow cool [21:59:54] <WickedWicky> maybe I'll make a mini local grid out of my AMD 4400+ :P [22:00:25] <WickedWicky> I basicly want to set up zones at work so ppl at work can mess around with solaris 10 after they went on the training [22:00:43] <WickedWicky> so every coworker can get his/her own zone to mess with and destroy [22:01:26] <quasi> then having it on zfs and clone/snapshot makes things easy ... even if it isn't officially supported by sun [22:02:22] <WickedWicky> that was my intension yep [22:02:51] <WickedWicky> and it will be test-lab material only for now. I am trying to make people at work hot for ZFS and zones, which is why I spent my day off today messing with this so I can make a case [22:04:28] *** fbo has quit IRC [22:05:09] <quasi> I've spent some time lately putting zones under cluster control - much joy [22:06:12] <trygvis> what kind of applications are you clusterin? [22:06:24] <trygvis> g [22:07:36] <quasi> trygvis: this is just a messed up financial clearing service - but by sticking it all in a zone I get fairly rapid failover without having to worry about making the app itself cluster aware [22:08:24] *** mlo has joined #opensolaris [22:08:44] <quasi> WickedWicky: last job was migrating a system to zones on a pile of t2k - they wanted boot from san - we gave them boot of zones from san [22:09:04] *** hollenjf has joined #opensolaris [22:09:10] <WickedWicky> neat [22:09:11] <hollenjf> hey I installed a compatible sound card (sound blaster pci128) and it loaded the proper drivers. However the desktop mixer on javadesktop is telling me there is no audio device [22:09:17] <quasi> WickedWicky: the speed of booting a zone compared to booting a domain is usually a good demo [22:10:01] <WickedWicky> I bet :D [22:11:49] <mlo> So I am trying again installing opensolaris on my box. Gladly I notice that sata cdroms are now supported. [22:11:50] <quasi> WickedWicky: and if you do the san and/or zfs bits and have to do strict changemanagement, then being able to clone your zone and test software installs elsewhere is pretty nice too [22:12:17] <mlo> There still seem to be issues with the jmicron controller (where the destination disk is connected). [22:12:49] <quasi> (not to mention that sparse zones are a nice time saver in patch management if you bunle many zones) [22:12:56] <mlo> ahci:[ID 307806 kern.warning ] WARNING : Cannot map register space [22:13:16] <mlo> could be related. Any idea what to do about that ? [22:13:37] <WickedWicky> quasi: we dont use domains though.. but virtualization is a very hot topic within the company I work for at the moment [22:13:51] * wesolows takes cover in the OGB's Green Zone to avoid darren's rocket attack [22:15:10] <quasi> WickedWicky: well, try booting a good old 3800 on full diag then - that takes 18 hours or thereabouts ... a zone takes about 2 mins [22:15:40] <WickedWicky> yeah, that'll make a case :D [22:15:54] *** glaw-away has joined #opensolaris [22:18:50] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [22:19:00] *** hollenjf has quit IRC [22:25:49] *** hyegeek has joined #opensolaris [22:27:15] *** jafari has quit IRC [22:28:29] <WickedWicky> quasi: let's say I want to put my zones on a different subnet than my global zone (i.e: global zone is 192.168.1.x and zones are 192.168.2.x), is there something nifty I can do routing wise, or am I stuck with adding a routing entry for every zone with to which interface alaias it should be redirected [22:29:11] <WickedWicky> alaias = alias [22:29:48] <quasi> WickedWicky: you have to have the global zone on each subnet you have non-global zones on [22:30:16] <quasi> (well, perhaps ip-instances changes that, I'm not sure) [22:30:31] <WickedWicky> well, it created this for me [22:30:32] <WickedWicky> hme0:1: flags=201000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4,CoS> mtu 1500 index 2 [22:30:32] <WickedWicky> zone medusa-dev [22:30:32] <WickedWicky> inet 192.168.2.2 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 [22:30:44] <WickedWicky> but ssh to 192.168.2.2 gives me nothing [22:31:04] <quasi> I wouldn't expect it to [22:31:28] <WickedWicky> even after having finnished the interactive setup within the zone and the zone created ssh keypairs? [22:32:02] <quasi> not if the global zone isn't on that network [22:32:19] <WickedWicky> hmr [22:32:31] <WickedWicky> I'd expect the global zone to be able to ssh to its interface aliases [22:33:15] <quasi> official explanation (pre ip instances at least) is no [22:38:23] <WickedWicky> ok well, that's no problem I guess [22:38:26] <WickedWicky> thank you :) [22:38:33] *** xOmega has joined #opensolaris [22:40:27] *** cypromis has quit IRC [22:43:05] *** Gropi has joined #opensolaris [22:46:43] *** mikefut has quit IRC [22:47:22] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [22:47:59] <WickedWicky> night all! :) [22:51:47] *** apersson has joined #opensolaris [22:53:09] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [22:53:40] <Triskelios> woot, Dead Upgrade works on ZFS root [22:54:09] *** blindfish has quit IRC [22:57:32] <jbk> dead upgrade? [22:57:51] <alanc> un-live upgrade? [22:57:59] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC [22:58:28] <Triskelios> yeah, boot-from-media-and-run-installer [23:01:18] *** glagasse has quit IRC [23:01:27] *** xOmega has left #opensolaris [23:01:48] *** bunker has quit IRC [23:02:42] *** likik has quit IRC [23:04:02] <Triskelios> [trisk@shamisen]% uname -v ~ [23:04:02] <Triskelios> snv_73 [23:07:25] *** Gropi has quit IRC [23:09:29] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [23:14:12] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:19:23] *** JBeck has quit IRC [23:20:21] *** JBeck has joined #opensolaris [23:26:12] *** Trident has quit IRC [23:30:45] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris [23:31:27] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC [23:40:57] *** ericeatsbrains has quit IRC [23:42:15] <hyegeek> I have been experimenting with opensolaris as an iscsi initiator. While the setu [23:42:15] <hyegeek> p was very easy and things worked very well, I have run into one snag. When I sh [23:42:15] <hyegeek> utdown, the network goes away before my zfs on the iscsi disk unmount so things [23:42:15] <hyegeek> take a long time timing out before it goes down. Any idea what I need to change [23:42:15] <hyegeek> to fix this? [23:43:24] *** ericeatsbrains has joined #opensolaris [23:46:54] <palowoda> Well I guess if you have to go fishing you have to get one of these fishing poles: http://www.fiver.net/misc/nf2.jpg [23:47:37] <sommerfeld> hyegeek: i've fixed that by adding dependencies into SMF using svccfg [23:48:14] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: Thanks. I'm new to the SMF stuff, so I guess I will do some man page reading. [23:48:44] <tomww> palowoda: is this suitable to fish penguins too? [23:49:17] *** dlg has joined #opensolaris [23:49:39] <FireflyST> how do I get snv_73 [23:51:05] <stevel> you wait patiently [23:51:31] <cmihai> Should be out in 3-4 days. Tops 5-6 [23:51:56] <FireflyST> hmm [23:52:25] <wesolows> No reason to give people unrealistic expectations; it'll be out whenever Sun decides to publish it. One might hope and even suppose it will be within N days, but there's really no way to know. [23:52:54] <wesolows> Of course, you can get your OpenSolaris source in realtime or near realtime and make your own distribution if you're in a hurry. [23:52:58] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: What did you make dependant on what? I just listed zfs (svcs -l zfs) and it shows the network as a dependency. [23:53:30] <palowoda> I guess I just need some gpl bait. As a side note last time I went out fishing my fishing buddy actually latched on to a humpback whale. Which was and an experience of a lifetime for him. [23:53:44] <alanc> oh that should be entertaining: WSARC/2007/554: Deliver Squid into OpenSolaris - don't think we've ever had an open WSARC case before [23:53:59] <richlowe> while I understand the rationale for it being at WSARC [23:54:04] <richlowe> I still think it's ultimately the wrong venue. [23:54:09] <wesolows> Didn't think WSARC handled more than a handful of cases period [23:54:12] <cmihai> wesolows, let's just say experience. Unless there's another SXDE around the corner, it's usually every other Friday. Hell, say it's late a week, but I've never seen it _that_ late. [23:54:24] <richlowe> wesolows: that'd be part of the reason why I think it's wrong [23:54:28] <alanc> wesolows: it mostly handles the JES stack [23:54:38] <richlowe> wesolows: the other part being that, as best as I know, they don't do a thing relating to us, normally. [23:54:38] <palowoda> Need an Imap server more than Squid. [23:54:52] <richlowe> alanc: that counts against them, too [23:55:20] <wesolows> richlowe: The problem of course is that the ARCs were divided horizontally with the assumption that they'd together handle all Sun product offerings... [23:55:22] <Triskelios> cmihai: I haven't noticed any issues that would cause a respin, and the b73 DVDs I have are from April 12... [23:55:30] <alanc> but they did mark it as open this time [23:55:47] <richlowe> I'd rather see it at LSARC [23:55:47] * wesolows puts alanc's ARC rework into his reading queue yet again [23:55:54] <sommerfeld> hyegeek: that's svc:/network/shares/group:zfs which is not the thing you're looking for [23:55:55] <richlowe> and it's rare that that I think LSARC is the *better* idea [23:56:33] <wesolows> I guess I don't really care who reviews it as long as they can reasonably claim to have the relevant expertise and do so openly. [23:56:48] <richlowe> wesolows: my thinking is that WSARC probably don't. [23:56:56] <richlowe> wesolows: web services, yes. The OS and surrounding, no. [23:56:57] <Triskelios> err *September 12 [23:57:25] <cmihai> Triskelios, meh, close 'nuff :P [23:57:33] <wesolows> Without knowing the history, it's hard to comment. If WSARC feel they aren't qualified to review it, they should redirect the team to a more appropriate ARC, no? [23:57:47] <alanc> yes [23:58:34] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [23:59:59] <hyegeek> sommerfeld: I've just finished looking through the list of svcs - '*' and it is not obvious to me what I need to make dependant on the network. Can you help clue me in?