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[00:14:54] <flyingparchment> does anyone run solaris on a dell desktop system?  how is the hardware support?
[00:15:57] <tek-ops> I believe the PERCs are all supported under the aac driver, let me double check
[00:16:21] <flyingparchment> i wasn't planning on buying perc for my desktop :)
[00:16:22] <tek-ops> here's this for while I'm looking: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[00:16:25] <tek-ops> ahhh
[00:16:36] <tek-ops> what's the system?
[00:16:40] <flyingparchment> i do solaris on poweredge, it's good
[00:16:57] <tek-ops> what's the model, rather, of your desktop
[00:17:01] <flyingparchment> dunno, inspiron something or other probably
[00:17:10] <tek-ops> chip?
[00:17:29] <flyingparchment> i didn't buy yet
[00:17:32] <cmihai> Specs?
[00:17:47] <tek-ops> how much did it come to when you configured it?
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[00:18:50] <cmihai> You mostly need to care about performance (make sure you have at least 1GB RAM and a descent CPU), storage (SATA controller support) and NIC support.
[00:18:58] <cmihai> And if it's an option, pick NVIDIA
[00:19:03] <cmihai> You get 3D drivers.
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[00:21:33] <cmihai> flyingparchment, if it's a laptop, pick something base on Santa Rosa platform
[00:21:55] <flyingparchment> i guess SATA and audio are the main driver issues?
[00:21:58] <flyingparchment> (and graphics)
[00:22:15] <Triskelios> cmihai: intel gets decent 3D with SXCE
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[00:31:20] <Joanie> newbie bfu question:  Is bfu smart enough to install the closed binaries, or do I need to do that myself?
[00:31:31] <flyingparchment> the closed binaries are in the bfu archives
[00:31:54] <Joanie> so if I successfully bfu'ed I'm good? :-)
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[00:56:15] <jbk> uugh redhat--
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[01:02:48] <bda> jbk: ?
[01:04:50] <jbk> been fighting w/ a redhat box since 10 this morning (so 8 hours so far)
[01:05:01] <jbk> well really yum + rpm + some poorly build packages
[01:05:24] <jbk> trying to get the damn thing from rhel4u2 to rhel4u3 to match some other boxes in the environment
[01:05:44] <bda> aha
[01:06:38] <jbk> they use an rsa product to do user management
[01:06:54] <jbk> and an internal group created a custom rpm (as i'm guessing it's not packaged by default)
[01:07:13] <jbk> the rpm conflicts with util-linux (rather some of the pam files do)
[01:07:25] <jbk> and the user mgmt tool is rather hairy
[01:07:38] <jbk> if i pull it out, no idea if i can reinstall it and actually have it work (if not, no one can login)
[01:08:23] <bda> Get some vodka and force the package install? :)
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[03:11:36] <Doc> hmm.. whoever put together patch 118833-36 really screwed up...
[03:11:44] <Doc> it's 123,453 Kb in size - how could they miss such a good opportunity? just add another 3Kb to it!
[03:12:13] <bda> ha
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[03:51:09] <flyingparchment> is glassfish based on catalina or did they write their own servlet engine
[03:51:10] <flyingparchment> ?
[03:52:07] <masta> does google know?
[03:55:17] <e^ipi> glassfish is based on apache tomcat
[03:57:07] <flyingparchment> yeah, catalina is the servlet part of tomcat
[03:58:23] <Triskelios> e^ipi: really?!
[03:59:52] <e^ipi> do they not advertise themselves as such ?
[04:00:01] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I've set up both before and the external interfaces bore no resemblance to each other
[04:00:36] <flyingparchment> Triskelios: did you ever see the error pages from the old appserver?  they were basically identical to tomcat'
[04:00:47] <flyingparchment> (they just said 'sun java app server' instead of 'tomcat')
[04:01:02] <flyingparchment> sun added the fancy admin front end and stuff
[04:01:15] <flyingparchment> but the servlet engine is catalina
[04:01:26] <masta> is this like how centos is rhel, not in name... but in spirit?
[04:01:47] <flyingparchment> no, appserver isn't just a rebranded tomcat, they did add their own stuff to it
[04:02:06] <e^ipi> masta: not quite
[04:03:06] * masta d/l's nevada 72
[04:03:32] <masta> I wish we had a way to update to the latest build instead of repalce it
[04:04:23] <flyingparchment> hmm, jes webserver is offered on a curious selection of platforms... solaris, windows, rhel and hp-ux
[04:05:21] <e^ipi> masta: like liveupgrade, upgrade, etc
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[04:25:08] <SYS64738> hi
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[04:26:39] <SYS64738> I am trying to compile csk-php but I reveive this error:
[04:26:41] <SYS64738> checking whether the C++ compiler (CC   ) works... no
[04:26:42] <SYS64738> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[04:27:33] <Shiv__> Check config.log that might have been created.
[04:28:00] <SYS64738> ./configure: CC: not found
[04:28:12] <SYS64738> but
[04:28:13] <SYS64738> serverwifi # which gcc
[04:28:14] <SYS64738> /usr/sfw/bin/gcc
[04:28:17] <Shiv__> ls -l config.*
[04:28:45] <SYS64738> there are six
[04:29:08] <Triskelios> SYS64738: apache modules need Studio to compile unless you change the config
[04:29:25] <flyingparchment> CC is part of Studio
[04:29:33] <flyingparchment> make sure it's installed and that /opt/SUNWspro/bin is in your path
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[04:29:46] <Shiv__> config.log should have the output logs of configure
[04:30:25] <SYS64738> I havent /opt/SUNWspro
[04:30:26] <Shiv__> type gcc ; type cc; type g++ ; type CC
[04:30:35] <Triskelios> SYS64738: install studio
[04:30:41] <Triskelios> Shiv__: ...
[04:30:44] <SYS64738> but why cant use /usr/sfw/bin/gcc ?
[04:31:06] <Triskelios> SYS64738: because the rest of apache was built with Studio so it remembers the config
[04:32:00] <Shiv__> I meant check the path of the 4 tools. (gcc,cc,g++,CC) using type command
[04:32:40] <SYS64738> I used the pkg apache mysql and php from coolstack
[04:33:01] <Shiv__> I do not know about this particular(apache) build details, but the C++ compiler cannot create executables means either it either didnt find the compiler OR
[04:33:06] <SYS64738> but I need the oci8 extension in php
[04:33:35] <SYS64738> than I installed the php source pkg from coolstacj
[04:33:47] <Shiv__> found the compiler but could not create the sample output that configure script attempts due to some pre-requisites (ex required headers, devel packages) not present.
[04:34:00] <Triskelios> SYS64738: probably still needs Studio
[04:34:11] <SYS64738> ok I try to install it
[04:34:16] <SYS64738> thanks
[04:34:39] <Shiv__> It might turn out that it will still need studio, but first step on failure of configure should be to look at the output log !!!
[04:34:50] <Shiv__> Do not skip it :)
[04:35:36] <SYS64738> Shiv__, I read to you what is write in config.log
[04:36:00] <SYS64738> CC: not found
[04:36:53] <Shiv__> Ok. Triskelios is bang on target.
[04:38:39] <SYS64738> another question
[04:39:05] <SYS64738> but why I can compile for example  postfix if I don't have studio ?
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[04:40:51] <Triskelios> postfix is not a module for another application
[04:41:17] <SYS64738> ah ok
[04:41:20] <SYS64738> thanks
[04:41:45] <SYS64738> damn sun studio is very big
[04:42:06] <SYS64738> do I need sun studio 12 ?
[04:42:28] <Triskelios> either 11 or 12 should work
[04:43:57] <SYS64738> 40 min to download it
[04:43:58] <Triskelios> you can actually tell apr/apxs to use gcc by editing their config files (in regular apache2 this is under /var/apache2/build/ - don't know about CoolStack)
[04:44:08] <Triskelios> is this SX or S10?
[04:44:16] <SYS64738> SX
[04:44:24] <Triskelios> Studio 12 is on your SX DVD
[04:44:32] <SYS64738> I am now at home
[04:44:40] <SYS64738> the server is far far far far away
[04:44:53] <Triskelios> no install images on the network?
[04:47:22] <SYS64738> no
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[04:50:12] <SYS64738> Triskelios, I am confused
[04:52:41] <SYS64738> serverwifi # cat /opt/coolstack/apache2/build/config.nice
[04:52:49] <SYS64738> CC="/usr/sfw/bin/gcc"; export CC
[04:53:29] <Triskelios> does it set CXX?
[04:54:09] <SYS64738> what ?
[04:57:33] <Triskelios> SYS64738: CC the environment variable is different from 'CC' the command
[04:57:57] <Triskelios> CC tells the build system about the C compiler, CXX is the same for C++
[04:58:10] <SYS64738> ahhhhhh
[04:58:16] <SYS64738> ok
[04:58:32] <SYS64738> sorry I am a little bit noob
[04:58:35] <Triskelios> the Studio C++ compiler is also named CC (Studio C is cc lowercase)
[04:58:36] <SYS64738> thanks again
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[05:05:17] <peemus> hello all
[05:08:29] <SYS64738> how many seasons exists for eroes ?
[05:08:38] <SYS64738> heroes
[05:08:53] <flyingparchment> 1
[05:09:15] <SYS64738> 8 films ?
[05:14:12] <SYS64738> Is it better to install sun studio in the zone where I am trying to compile php or in the global ?
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[05:15:06] <flyingparchment> films?
[05:15:14] <flyingparchment> i don't think they made any films
[05:16:20] <SYS64738> I don't know the right term
[05:16:27] <Triskelios> episodes?
[05:16:28] <SYS64738> 8 appointments ?
[05:16:30] <SYS64738> yeah
[05:16:31] <SYS64738> that
[05:16:55] <SYS64738> my english is awful and now it is 5.15 am
[05:17:19] <SYS64738> and I am watching the 8th episode of heroes
[05:18:02] <flyingparchment> no, it was a full season, 22/23 episodes iirc
[05:18:19] <SYS64738> ouch
[05:18:22] <SYS64738> damn
[05:18:28] <SYS64738> I must download them
[05:19:00] <flyingparchment> http://www.eztvefnet.org/index.php?main=show&id=198 ;)
[05:19:31] <SYS64738> eheh
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[05:26:59] <SYS64738> looking at the positive side of this thing, I can go to bed very soon
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[05:59:45] <SYS64738> good night (morning)
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[06:14:21] <e^ipi> anyone know if there's a mass-market stout that's not gelatin clarified?
[06:14:59] <lloy0076> Anyone know where SJSAS puts its file/thing to say that it's installed in a particular direcgtory?
[06:16:03] <e^ipi> my question's more fun
[06:28:37] <e^ipi> it appears samuel adams cream stout is both gelatin and isinglass free, in case anyone was curious
[06:30:47] <Tempt> Mountain Goat
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[06:31:11] <Tempt> I think that's also certified organic.
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[06:34:11] <e^ipi> I'm less concerned about organic, but cool nonetheless
[06:34:45] <Tempt> Oh, the most important thing
[06:34:48] <Tempt> It's deeee-licious
[06:35:02] <Tempt> I don't care about the meat/organic factor, I drink it because it's a deee-licious local beer
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[06:38:32] <lloy0076> Fermented meat beer...hmmm
[06:39:27] <e^ipi> lloy0076: a lot of beers use gelatin ( made from pork ) or isinglass ( made from fish ) to clarify them
[06:39:41] <e^ipi> which leaves me a bit limited
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[06:53:01] <lloy0076> e^ipi: Well, if it's not fishy, then you're porked.
[06:54:21] <e^ipi> erm... quite
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[07:06:03] <Tempt> Allergic to fishbits?
[07:09:25] <e^ipi> vegetarian
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[07:11:41] <Tempt> coupla milligrams going to make that much difference?
[07:12:11] <e^ipi> it's the principle of the matter
[07:12:46] * Tempt mumbles something about fish being there for the eating.
[07:14:16] <e^ipi> so eat it
[07:14:18] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[07:14:23] * e^ipi chooses not to
[07:14:38] <Tempt> Oh, don't mind me.
[07:15:01] <Tempt> I just like to stir every now and again, and having a social circle with a lot of activist-types in it at one stage means I've heard all the arguments.
[07:15:10] <Tempt> "Don't eat honey, it is very cruel to bees."
[07:15:13] <Tempt> "Milk is torture!"
[07:15:29] <Tempt> etc, etc.
[07:15:54] <hallu_> Tempt: it's not like e^ipi is pushing his agenda on you
[07:16:01] <hallu_> if he even has an agenda
[07:16:04] <jmcp> Tempt: "those carrots have been murdered"
[07:16:16] <Tempt> torn from their home alive
[07:16:38] <Tempt> don't forget the potatoes, ripped from their home at the prime of their life.
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[07:27:21] <Doc> hmm.. it's good to see that the solaris patching process is still over-writing sendmail.cf
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[08:06:40] <e^ipi> I should like to point out that i'm not an activist
[08:10:38] * oninoshiko gives e^ipi an AK, cammo pants, a black t-shirt, and a funny french hat... "funny you look like one..."
[08:11:23] <e^ipi> oninoshiko: referring to the previous discussion about vegetarianism
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[10:14:47] <Fish-> hello
[10:27:38] <e^ipi> ahoy
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[11:47:53] <sparcdr> hello guys
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[12:12:35] <sparcdr> brb
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[12:39:00] <sparcdr> :o
[12:39:21] * sparcdr cites #opensolaris as the most dead channel of the night
[12:39:32] <sparcdr> unless someone wants to wake up of course
[12:41:02] <jmcp> sparcdr: come on, dude ..... it's a Sunday, and people are either asleep, having a day away from IRC, or they're working way too f'ing hard to waste time on IRC
[12:41:11] <sparcdr> it's sunday!
[12:41:17] <sparcdr> sun's sending my box today :D
[12:41:28] <jmcp> heh
[12:41:40] <sparcdr> jcmp: i know, meh I just like bickering
[12:41:51] <sparcdr> probably gonna go try out the latest build of jds :D
[12:41:56] <jmcp> it's your funeral :)
[12:41:56] <sparcdr> got B74
[12:42:09] <sparcdr> i am cautious but not afraid
[12:42:10] <sparcdr> :)
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[12:42:13] <jmcp> heh
[12:42:19] <sparcdr> so what's up dude?
[12:42:21] <palowoda> Nothing new in opnesolaris gnome to complain about.
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[12:42:36] <jmcp> palowoda: how about old stuff to complain about?
[12:42:43] <jmcp> is ekiga fixed yet?
[12:42:48] <palowoda> Hey where is the trash can?
[12:42:48] <Jiko> jmcp: so you're not working hard, and not having a day away from irc? :)
[12:42:50] <sparcdr> any major changes between SDX 04/04 (ON B64a)'s JDS and JDS Consolidation B74?
[12:42:57] <jmcp> Jiko: actually, I am working hard
[12:43:14] <Jiko> I'm not. :)
[12:43:19] <sparcdr> looking specifically for a few annoying bugs to have been fixed
[12:43:21] <jmcp> pissoffthenyabastard
[12:43:34] <sparcdr> need i mention them.. i dont.  we know about them :D
[12:43:39] <Jiko> jmcp: like you said, its Sunday night
[12:43:42] <palowoda> I lost my trashcan.
[12:43:42] <sparcdr> o.o
[12:43:49] <sparcdr> yeah well you all proved me right
[12:43:50] <Jiko> I'm kinda keeping an eye on backups, stupid things
[12:43:51] <jmcp> Jiko: I'm following up on a nit from our putback yesterday
[12:43:57] <Jiko> jmcp: ahh, right
[12:43:58] <sparcdr> all the freaks came out of the woodwork :p
[12:44:03] <jmcp> spent all bloody day on it though :(
[12:44:14] <Jiko> bugger
[12:44:15] <palowoda> Wait I don't have to take the trash out any longer.  A males dream.
[12:44:25] <sparcdr> trash can... mines overflowing
[12:44:28] <sparcdr> should take it out
[12:44:29] <Jiko> I've been cursing our backup solution all weekend
[12:44:36] <Jiko> had our tape library die too, that didn't help
[12:44:37] <jmcp> Jiko: yeah, we were going to head down to the GC for the day ... get out of the place, going stir crazy
[12:44:39] <jmcp> :(
[12:44:44] <sparcdr> Jiko: how large?
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[12:45:05] <Jiko> sparcdr: its a HP MSL 5060, has Ultrium 3 drives
[12:45:15] <Jiko> jmcp: oh, we'll be in town in about a week
[12:45:20] <jmcp> Jiko: neat
[12:45:22] <jmcp> for how long
[12:45:22] <jmcp> ?
[12:45:22] <sparcdr> you said tapes so I'm guessing more than 70GB :)
[12:45:25] <Jiko> jmcp: only for about 5 days
[12:45:40] <jmcp> sparcdr: ultrium3 does at least 400Gb native, iirc
[12:45:47] <sparcdr> sucks, happened that my backup disk failed
[12:45:47] <jmcp> Jiko: not staying for the weekend?
[12:45:51] <sparcdr> so i know the feeling
[12:45:55] <Jiko> sparcdr: each tape can hold 400Gb, we have 6 drives, something like 100 slots
[12:45:56] <sparcdr> stuff i cant just download again
[12:46:03] <Jiko> plus a virtual tape library that has 5Tb
[12:46:04] <sparcdr> nice
[12:46:07] <sparcdr> o.o
[12:46:14] <Jiko> jmcp: depends on how the little one goes
[12:46:19] <sparcdr> sounds a bit expensive for me ;)
[12:46:20] <jmcp> right
[12:46:24] <Jiko> jmcp: get in next Sunday, probably out on Thursday-ish
[12:46:31] <Jiko> sparcdr: this isn't mine - its my works :)
[12:46:33] <palowoda> Yeah the weekends are boring.
[12:46:35] <sparcdr> well im gonna go hack on JDS and stuff
[12:46:41] <sparcdr> Jiko: good :)
[12:46:47] <sparcdr> better them than you.
[12:46:57] <jmcp> Jiko: near the mater or rbh?
[12:47:11] <Jiko> jmcp: Prince Charles
[12:47:17] <jmcp> oh, right
[12:47:22] <palowoda> In a can.
[12:47:22] <Jiko> its a heart thing.
[12:47:23] <jmcp> that makes sense
[12:47:24] <jmcp> yeah
[12:47:25] <sparcdr> i need to get my ultra-20 soon, because it'd be quite a nice treat.  finally was able to replace my old workstation, still using my notebook.
[12:47:42] <Jiko> but they are moving to the Mater early-ish next year
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[12:47:59] <trygvis> sudo nvram nvramrc='" /" select-dev
[12:48:18] <palowoda> sparcdr: So yeah how many times do we have to hear you ordered a U20?
[12:48:44] <sparcdr> exactly 4 and ive met the quota
[12:48:45] <sparcdr> :)
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[12:49:00] <sparcdr> just happy my notebook has gone through hell
[12:49:05] <iLLeqaL> :D ByKimSe
[12:49:10] 
[12:49:11] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:49:16] <ByKimSe> sparcdr
[12:49:19] <ByKimSe> Lan DaLLama
[12:49:21] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:49:26] <sparcdr> ?
[12:49:28] 
[12:49:29] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:49:40] 
[12:49:52] 
[12:50:11] 
[12:50:14] <ByKimSe> sparcdr KaLtak
[12:50:29] 
[12:50:30] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:50:41] <sparcdr> bah
[12:50:44] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:50:51] 
[12:50:51] <dlg> how come noone gets excited over the sparc laptops?
[12:50:58] <iLLeqaL> bAh dio :d
[12:51:02] <palowoda> Money?
[12:51:05] <sparcdr> too expensive, my core2 notebook does fine
[12:51:07] 
[12:51:12] 
[12:51:12] <sparcdr> costs an arm and a leg
[12:51:25] 
[12:51:28] <ByKimSe> sparcdr ich kann es nicht ertragen
[12:51:31] <ByKimSe> ?
[12:51:34] <palowoda> And Sparc laptop OEM are not going to fix the problem either.
[12:51:34] 
[12:51:53] <sparcdr> still not the market, they are for government deployment mainly
[12:52:06] <palowoda> Good for the goverment.
[12:52:17] <ByKimSe> palowoda HeLLo
[12:52:18] <sparcdr> i sense sarcasm
[12:52:22] <iLLeqaL> ::D
[12:52:23] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:52:26] <ByKimSe> iLLeqaL :D
[12:52:33] <palowoda> They never knew how to spend tax dollars proplerly.
[12:52:36] <sparcdr> they dont care, they can deploy 1000/mo satellite internet connections all day long, they dont care
[12:52:43] 
[12:52:43] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:52:46] 
[12:52:52] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:52:55] <sparcdr> :)
[12:53:01] 
[12:53:01] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:53:03] <sparcdr> hello
[12:53:04] <iLLeqaL> :D Zuajhaja
[12:53:04] <ByKimSe> :)
[12:53:05] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:53:10] <iLLeqaL> o
[12:53:19] 
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[12:53:35] <sparcdr> heh check whois on irc.
[12:53:36] <iLLeqaL> SparcDr wher are u From
[12:53:37] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:53:43] <sparcdr> illegal: southern california
[12:53:45] 
[12:53:48] <palowoda> Bunch of fucknuts.
[12:53:57] <sparcdr> palowoda, ?
[12:54:00] 
[12:54:03] 
[12:54:12] <palowoda> Yeah right
[12:54:16] 
[12:54:17] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:54:26] <ByKimSe> :)
[12:54:38] <ByKimSe> sparcdr What iS your Jop
[12:54:40] <ByKimSe> ?
[12:54:49] <sparcdr> Why do you ask so many questions?
[12:55:01] <sparcdr> I'm a consultant
[12:55:08] <ByKimSe> iLLeqaL ne diyo la
[12:55:33] <sparcdr> blah, gotta love Sun's download servers :/
[12:55:49] <iLLeqaL> SparCdr  u r name ??? r u stuent in california ??
[12:55:57] <ByKimSe> iLLeqaL :)
[12:56:01] <iLLeqaL> :D  oLm
[12:56:02] <sparcdr> it's student
[12:56:03] <sparcdr> and no
[12:56:06] 
[12:56:10] 
[12:56:28] <sparcdr> brb
[12:56:33] 
[12:56:34] 
[12:56:48] <iLLeqaL> Sparcdr Im StudEnt   ben bEn okuyom oLm
[12:56:49] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:56:56] <sparcdr> cool
[12:57:02] <jmcp> ok, showing my ignorance here - what language are you folks typing in?
[12:57:05] 
[12:57:08] <sparcdr> german
[12:57:11] <ByKimSe> sparcdr I'am SoLDieR
[12:57:12] <sparcdr> i think
[12:57:17] <jmcp> sparcdr: I don't think so
[12:57:27] <sparcdr> too many extended chars
[12:57:28] <sparcdr> hmm
[12:57:34] <jmcp> Turkish, perhaps?
[12:57:35] 
[12:57:38] <sparcdr> i cant understand more than 1/100th of it
[12:57:39] <sparcdr> :/
[12:57:40] 
[12:57:46] <ByKimSe> jmcp Yes TurKish
[12:57:50] <iLLeqaL> [13:57:36] <jmcp> Turkish, perhaps? :D
[12:57:51] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:57:51] <jmcp> :-)
[12:57:56] <ByKimSe> :D
[12:58:02] <jmcp> welcome
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[12:58:12] <sparcdr> give me time and ill have my friend translate that :P
[12:58:23] <ByKimSe> jmcp TanKe
[12:58:26] <iLLeqaL> JmCp Tnkx
[12:58:27] <sparcdr> i only got "Hello" from it all
[12:58:28] <iLLeqaL> :D
[12:58:55] 
[12:59:07] 
[12:59:12] <palowoda> Yeah right.
[12:59:15] <ByKimSe> :D
[12:59:16] <iLLeqaL> :D,
[12:59:26] 
[12:59:38] 
[12:59:46] <ByKimSe> Hani Nerde.
[12:59:59] 
[13:00:12] <sparcdr> you to hungry something ever?
[13:00:17] <sparcdr> having trouble translating some of it
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[13:00:43] 
[13:01:23] <palowoda> And it will be lost forever.
[13:01:28] <Mdx4> uh seems that we are founding new script kiddie club , can i subscribe ?
[13:01:36] <ByKimSe> sparcdr You Mr.  ?
[13:01:40] 
[13:01:45] <sparcdr> blah
[13:01:46] <iLLeqaL> bEn qidiyOm bEbeKsS
[13:01:56] <sparcdr> can you speak more english than hell and u name?
[13:01:56] <sparcdr> *hello
[13:02:01] <jmcp> Mdx4: nope, just a different language to what we mostly see here
[13:02:02] * jmcp shrugs
[13:02:05] <PerterB> Mdx4: sure, just send 20 credit card numbers to the usual address
[13:02:24] <ByKimSe> my name is ASKER
[13:02:26] <palowoda> And your ebay account number.
[13:02:27] <Mdx4> jmcp: i've understood :)
[13:02:28] <ByKimSe> sparcdr
[13:02:29] <sparcdr> o.o i dont pay to get into nub clubs
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[13:03:22] <Mdx4> jmcp: but i dont think that is needed write with ShIfT ThAt FrEqUenTly in any other  language neither use $ :)
[13:03:33] <sparcdr> heh
[13:03:38] <sparcdr> yeah makes it harder to translate
[13:04:00] 
[13:04:02] <Mdx4> Odin 'll punish you all :)
[13:04:15] <jmcp> dammit I want some chocolate!
[13:04:39] <palowoda> Chocolate and port wine.
[13:04:56] <sparcdr> sparcdr and coffee myself
[13:04:59] <Mdx4> palowoda: i prefer drink it than port it :)
[13:05:02] <sparcdr> i mix well with coffee
[13:05:20] <sparcdr> too many ifdefs in my coffee
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[13:08:09] <palowoda> Mdx4: I was talking to my local shop ower who sells Port and he just sold a bottle for 1400.00 USD.  I asked him what the hell was that about 70.00 a swallow.
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[13:09:04] <Mdx4> palowoda: i don't appreciate Port that much, with sweet things i prefer some passito, much better.
[13:09:32] <Mdx4> with the current change a nice passito should cost not more than 100USD :)
[13:09:42] <sparcdr> <- doesnt drink wine
[13:09:48] <sparcdr> dont drink anything :/
[13:09:50] <Mdx4> shipping not included.
[13:09:51] <sparcdr> probably should
[13:09:59] <sparcdr> bored right now :)
[13:10:22] <palowoda> I love a good port and cheese but it can get rediculously expensive.
[13:10:48] <Mdx4> palowoda: better so cow cheese with acacia honey.
[13:11:38] <Doc> $70 to swallow isnt a bad price...
[13:11:45] <Doc> ohh.. you're talking about port.  my mistake
[13:11:59] <sparcdr> sounds good :)
[13:12:10] <Mdx4> Doc: for the other swallow you can find surelly something cheeper ;^)
[13:12:21] <Mdx4> s/chee/chea/g
[13:12:24] <palowoda> You can get port for 10.00 a bottle. But the stuff that is about 75 years old is definitely a little more pricey.
[13:13:06] <Mdx4> palowoda: definitily not a bottle to drink. for collectionists..
[13:13:35] <Mdx4> like stamps there are stamps that costs a fortune but aren't good for shipping mails.
[13:13:53] <palowoda> Tell that to the Portuguese that live around here. :)
[13:13:54] <Mdx4> a port is too sweet to get that old, maybe some spirit.
[13:14:36] <Mdx4> palowoda: the day that portogueses could understand and make real wine i'll tell that.
[13:15:11] <palowoda> Mdx4: They just wait 75 years.
[13:16:10] <palowoda> Time is such a hard thing to harness.
[13:16:21] <Mdx4> i've a bottle of the father of my granpa that is near 75 but i don't neither think to drink it.
[13:17:08] <Mdx4> is there just to tell that i have one :)
[13:17:57] <palowoda> You end up enjoying it on memories of the dead.
[13:17:59] <Mdx4> 7 years begin to are too much for a wine, like 50 begins to be too much for a spirit.
[13:18:21] <palowoda> Port is the only one that can last.
[13:19:03] <Mdx4> false, there is also marsala.
[13:19:15] <palowoda> Ah that is about the same.
[13:19:16] <Mdx4> both are born to be transported easly on ships ..
[13:19:19] <sparcdr> drink it when you accomplish a major goal in life :)
[13:19:32] <Mdx4> during long term trips.
[13:19:49] <Mdx4> was born before marsala than port if i'm not wrong.
[13:19:50] <palowoda> Hey lets open a bottle of good port in the name of Indiana?
[13:19:52] <sparcdr> whatever floats your boat
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[13:20:54] <quasi> what a waste of good port
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[13:21:09] <palowoda> There you go.
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[13:24:28] <Mdx4> was a pleasure, time to get some food ;) see ya !
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[13:26:47] <palowoda> sparcdr: Your not just going to have one U20.  You got to have a few backup systems.
[13:26:58] <sparcdr> i do
[13:26:59] <sparcdr> :)
[13:27:15] <sparcdr> just my main box is all, been needing to replace my Thinkcentre A30
[13:27:43] <sparcdr> I have an SGI Octane2, Thinkpad T30, and a few boxes that could be put back together if it's needed
[13:27:57] <palowoda> I use to work for SGI.
[13:28:04] <sparcdr> hahaha
[13:28:12] <sparcdr> i dont like them as a company, never did, even during MIPS days
[13:28:16] <palowoda> Yeah got out at the peak.
[13:28:20] <sparcdr> no common sense
[13:28:47] <sparcdr> tis a good box though and everything still works on it, even newer stuff, have little to no problems with nekoware packages and source compiles
[13:28:58] <sparcdr> I don't blame you palowoda
[13:29:12] <jamesd_> they made a lot of nice hardware, untill they decided they wanted to get into the x86 market... there OS is nice but should of been made free for developers and non commercial uses a long time ago.
[13:29:14] <palowoda> There where 4 guys in my department and they gave us 4.5 mil of equipment a quarter for usage.
[13:29:33] <sparcdr> 5,000 just for MIPSpro license, give me a fscking break.  at the time all compilers were expensive, sun was $800 though, and even microsoft was 1/2 that back in the nt 4 days
[13:29:41] <sparcdr> sheesh
[13:29:43] * jamesd_ still has an indigo2 and a pair of indy's
[13:29:58] <sparcdr> yeah that started with... hmm 320 I think it was called
[13:30:09] <sparcdr> which flopped
[13:30:14] <sparcdr> you know what im talking about, dual p3
[13:30:23] <sparcdr> sgi branded with a bunch of weird addons
[13:31:19] <dlg> like no bios
[13:31:21] <dlg> arc firmware
[13:31:28] <palowoda> sparcdr: I worked on the copy protection for the sgi compilers.
[13:31:36] <dlg> so its hard to boot anything but nt or 2k
[13:31:39] <dlg> i cant remember which
[13:31:40] <sparcdr> they went into bankruptcy protection not because MIPS flopped, but because they sold off the only cashcow they had, Alias' IP.  Without that, NVIDIA gobbled up all their IP and most of their engineers, and MIPS failed because they didnt invest as much into it as with Itanium.
[13:31:53] <sparcdr> that's the one dlg
[13:32:18] <dlg> i really like my altix though
[13:32:22] <sparcdr> plus lack of common sense, my Octane2 retailed for 57k i have the datasheet
[13:32:23] <dlg> despite some of its shortcomings
[13:32:39] <sparcdr> 512MB ram, v6 graphics, 36b disk, r10k cpu for 57k
[13:33:00] <palowoda> And the US goverment was the cause of the price.
[13:33:53] <sparcdr> and i got mine with 2gb ram, v8 graphics (2x the clock and vram), 73gb, r12ka for 400 bucks, mft cost my est was only $6500, compilers cost 5k on top of that, irix contract cost something like 2k on top of that, then all the alias stuff they used to own, if you needed all of that you'd pay them 100k/unit
[13:34:21] * quasi is contemplating getting a cheap v880
[13:34:53] <sparcdr> the us govt can pay satellite company's 1000/mo fee for "unmetered" bandwidth with sip acceleration (To overcome latency) they launch them all day and spend money on nasa still, go figure
[13:34:55] <palowoda> Hey all the big iron is worth the power it cost to run it.
[13:35:05] <sparcdr> palowoda, heh onyx :)
[13:35:29] <palowoda> onyx you mean the computer company?
[13:35:31] <sparcdr> blah coffee not working fast enough
[13:35:34] <sparcdr> no onyx the sgi unit
[13:35:37] <sparcdr> it's big iron
[13:35:42] <sparcdr> 16 x 900mhz mips
[13:35:44] <sparcdr> er 600
[13:35:48] <sparcdr> which is r14k
[13:36:07] <sparcdr> i think that was it, it's onyx, might be 300-400mhz, forgot
[13:36:18] <sparcdr> been a while since i looked into prehistoric stuff
[13:36:45] <palowoda> Yeah had one of those.  But I originally came out to the SFbay area to work for Onynx computers.
[13:36:46] <sparcdr> my octane2 is r12k (400mhz) only single cpu, kinda dumb how they made you replace the whole module to upgrade
[13:37:03] <sparcdr> hmm
[13:37:10] <sparcdr> kinda funny :)
[13:37:22] <palowoda> Way before you time I suspect.
[13:37:30] <palowoda> s/you/your
[13:37:53] <sparcdr> even at $400 above competition, im happy with what I got from sun coming soon.  i know ive mentioned it.  but given software costs, it's just fair to do something to help out.
[13:38:15] <sparcdr> "my time" - depends, if you're talking pre-1996 yes
[13:38:23] <sparcdr> even pre-2000 is out of my time
[13:38:26] <palowoda> 1982.
[13:38:30] <sparcdr> at least sgi experience
[13:38:31] <LeftWing> haha
[13:38:37] <sparcdr> wow that's definitely out of my time
[13:38:43] <sparcdr> by a few years back from birth
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[13:39:12] <sparcdr> deather, how's the weather :D
[13:41:47] <sparcdr> gonna go play with solaris stuff bbl
[13:41:52] <sparcdr> ill be back on in a few hours
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[13:45:04] <Tempt> quasi: Oh, joining the 880 club?
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[13:45:41] <quasi> no, not after all - way too expensive in power
[13:45:50] <quasi> 2200W
[13:45:54] <Tempt> Haha.
[13:46:04] <Tempt> I wouldn't take that to heart
[13:46:11] <Tempt> I'm pulling 800W on my 880.
[13:46:12] <palowoda> That is the issue these days Tempt.
[13:46:23] <quasi> 2880W on the top
[13:46:59] <Tempt> Yeah, and sunsolve claims a Blade-1000 eats 600W, etc.
[13:47:17] <quasi> Tempt: I assume you've got fewer boards than usual?
[13:47:28] <Tempt> Before it was trendy to keep power usage low, they gave worst possible power consumption as a rating.
[13:47:41] <palowoda> At the Intel developers conference they where talking about 12watts on a dual core.
[13:47:52] <Tempt> The absolute maximum DC output of their power supplies and the current pulled at 110V to sustain it.
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[13:49:39] * flyingparchment wonders why it takes sun web server several minutes to deploy configuration changes
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[13:50:59] <Tempt> flyingparchment: The J-word.
[13:51:44] <palowoda> flyingparchment: Ring buffers with monitors.
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[13:53:39] <palowoda> The monitors are directly connected to legal's brain synapse.
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[14:01:56] <Mdx4> flyingparchment: systems are gettin too much complicated, damn java ;^)
[14:03:54] <WickedWicky> BOO
[14:04:40] <palowoda> You mean he bugtrak database interface?
[14:04:54] <WickedWicky> no, BOO, as in RAWR, ph3ar me
[14:05:05] <WickedWicky> *sigh*
[14:05:15] <flyingparchment> okay, this is annoying.  sunsolve is not letting me view any page other than some random sun alert
[14:05:31] <WickedWicky> sunsolve is not really my friend either lately
[14:05:47] <flyingparchment> "lately" :)
[14:06:01] <WickedWicky> trying to keep it friendly and positive ;-)
[14:06:17] <palowoda> Now how would sunsolve help opensolaris in anyway?
[14:09:40] <WickedWicky> as much as your trashcan you lost does I guess
[14:10:52] <palowoda> Heh, the only reason I brought up the trashcan is someone logged a gnome bug upstream and I just noticed I didn't have a trashcan on my opensolaris desktop.
[14:11:04] <WickedWicky> lol
[14:11:16] <WickedWicky> so.. there goes the dream about never having to put the trash outside
[14:11:16] <WickedWicky> ?
[14:11:28] <palowoda> Maybe I trashed the trashcan.  I don't know.
[14:11:47] <WickedWicky> could be, or you outsourced the trashcan to the neighbour
[14:12:07] <palowoda> My SO will never let me live down the trash.
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[14:15:13] <palowoda> Yeah right if I ask my neighbour to do my trash he would probably shoot me.
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[14:28:00] <Highlander> I'm going for a coffee
[14:28:02] <Highlander> ttyl
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[15:22:54] <madhatter> Hello
[15:23:03] <madhatter> I'm back. :)
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[15:23:35] <madhatter> Just installed my new Promise S-ATA controller, but still can't see the disk in 'format'
[15:23:38] <madhatter> :(
[15:24:17] <jmcp> madhatter: what model controller?
[15:24:19] <madhatter> But I found ':model         Mass storage controller' in the output of 'prtpicl -v '
[15:24:43] <madhatter> jmcp: sata300 tx4
[15:24:52] <flyingparchment> why did you buy promise? :)
[15:25:21] <madhatter> flyingparchment: Because I read on the list it would work without any further manual steps necessary
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[15:26:19] <jmcp> madhatter: so if you run "prtpicl -v" do you see a device "pci105a,3d17"  ?
[15:26:42] <madhatter> jmcp: Yes
[15:27:11] <madhatter> jmcp: Seems to be the mass storage controller
[15:27:28] <jmcp> madhatter: can you please run      prtpicl -v        and dump the output into http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca   for me
[15:27:49] <madhatter> jmcp: Wait, i find the entry twice. For the mass and for an audio device...
[15:27:57] <madhatter> jmcp: I'll do that
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[15:30:10] <madhatter> jmcp: Too bad, the list is longer than my buffer
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[15:30:27] <madhatter> jmcp: I'll load up a file on box.net again
[15:30:29] <jmcp> darn
[15:30:42] <jmcp> got a convenient webserver you can put it on?
[15:32:29] <madhatter> jmcp: Not that much right now
[15:33:47] <SYS64738> how can I set the correct variable to make use c++ ?
[15:34:26] <jmcp> SYS64738: need a bit more info before I can answer your question appropriately
[15:34:45] <Pietro_S> SYS64738: ? CXX, CXX_FLAGS are variables for c++ compiler
[15:34:46] <SYS64738> jmcp, I am tryng to compile php from coolstack src
[15:34:47] <jmcp> why do you want to use a c++ compiler rather than a c compiler? do you have c++ code?
[15:35:05] <jmcp> so what have you tried so far?
[15:35:20] <SYS64738> I installed sun studio 12
[15:35:30] <SYS64738> is /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc what I nedd ?
[15:35:47] <jmcp> that's a C compiler. the C++ compiler is /opt/SUNWspr/bin/CC
[15:36:11] <Highlander> CC=cc; CXX=CC; PATH=$PATH:/opt/SUNWspro/bin; export CC CXX PATH
[15:36:26] <Highlander> then run the ./configure stansa and all
[15:36:27] <jmcp> I'd have PATH=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/:$PATH
[15:36:46] <Highlander> or that
[15:36:48] <jmcp> otherwise you're likely to get gcc/g++ instead of SUNWspro versions
[15:37:02] <Pietro_S> jmcp: but that sun studion old gvim will be used :-(
[15:37:02] <Highlander> not when you do CC= and CXX=
[15:37:28] <SYS64738> it seems it worked
[15:37:31] <SYS64738> thanks all
[15:37:51] <SYS64738> I need to compile php with the damned --with-oci8
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[15:38:36] <SYS64738> Can I compile the php over /opt/coolstack/php5 where is installed the apache/mysql/php pkg ?
[15:38:36] <jmcp> madhatter: you should be able to see your disk after you run this command::            update_drv -a -i ' "pci105a,3d17" ' ata
[15:38:48] <jmcp> SYS64738: I would assume so, but I don't know for sure
[15:39:01] <jmcp> did the coolstack stuff come in pkgadd format?
[15:39:18] <SYS64738> application CSKamp                           Apache httpd, PHP and MySQL
[15:39:18] <SYS64738> application CSKampSrc                        Apache httpd, PHP and MySQL Source
[15:39:22] <jmcp> ah
[15:39:26] <SYS64738> it is a 1 big pkg
[15:39:39] <jmcp> I would advise against dumping your build into /op/coolstack/php5
[15:39:57] <jmcp> what does the --with-oci8 enable?
[15:40:03] <Highlander> Oracle client
[15:40:07] <jmcp> ah
[15:40:07] <SYS64738> to read oracle db
[15:40:14] * jmcp runs away screaming
[15:40:27] <madhatter> jmcp: ("pci105a,3d17") already in use as a driver or alias.
[15:40:39] <madhatter> jmcp: But no disk to see in 'format'
[15:40:39] <Highlander> which kinda destroys the whole meaning of CSKamp
[15:40:44] <Highlander> since amp = apache mysql php
[15:40:46] <jmcp> madhatter: what does      grep "pci105a,3d17" /etc/driver_aliases     show up?
[15:41:03] <madhatter> jmcp: ata "pci105a,3d17"
[15:41:07] <jmcp> madhatter: oh
[15:41:08] <jmcp> hmm
[15:41:09] <Tempt> Oracle leaves you running screaming and mysql doesn't?
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[15:41:20] <Highlander> oh noes
[15:41:22] <Highlander> Tempt
[15:41:23] <jmcp> Tempt: I run further from mysql
[15:41:29] <jmcp> Tempt: I spent years doing VOSJEC support
[15:41:37] <jmcp> now, fortunately, a distant memory
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[15:42:13] <madhatter> jmcp: What does that tell you?
[15:42:15] <jmcp> madhatter: what mode is the card in - ahci?
[15:42:27] <jmcp> madhatter: it tells me that the ata driver should already be trying to attach to the card
[15:42:30] <madhatter> jmcp: Uhm, no idea ... :(
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[15:42:52] <jmcp> probably some bios option you can change
[15:43:09] <madhatter> I will take a look
[15:43:12] <jmcp> I'd run      devfsadm -v -i ata      to give the ata driver a good kick
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[15:43:42] <madhatter> jmcp: What mode would be good?
[15:43:53] <jmcp> madhatter: the one that lets you see your disk :-)
[15:44:10] <jmcp> ahci would be very handy though - because it should "just work"
[15:44:27] <jmcp> assuming, of course, that the ahci driver works with that card in the first place
[15:44:33] <madhatter> jmcp: Okay, devfsadm did nothing
[15:45:19] <jmcp> madhatter: re-run the prtpicl -v, and search for the pci105a node again - check whether the "instance" property is still set to "-1"
[15:45:30] <madhatter> jmcp: COuld there be some kind of conflict? I saw an audio device with the same number
[15:45:32] <SYS64738> I have a dream, that this damned zone will work one day
[15:45:42] <jmcp> madhatter: I didn't see one in your prtpicl output
[15:45:45] <jmcp> let me re-check
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[15:46:13] <jmcp> madhatter: that was probably an interrupt thing rather than a driver
[15:47:04] <madhatter> jmcp: Hm, than I don't understand the output ;)
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[15:47:13] <jmcp> output from what?
[15:47:32] <madhatter> prtpicl -v
[15:47:44] <madhatter> Because it's listed as 'binding-name'
[15:47:45] <jmcp> which bit don't you understand?
[15:47:56] <jmcp> which one?
[15:48:09] <madhatter> THe audio device for pci105a
[15:48:42] <madhatter> jmcp: The mass storage controller seems to have two names
[15:48:46] <jmcp> you don't have an audio device with pci vendor id of 105a
[15:49:00] <jmcp> that's due to how PCI card vendors implement their stuff
[15:49:11] <jmcp> on sparc we've got obp and fcode so we can provide aliases that mean something useful
[15:49:34] <jmcp> I'll dig up an example
[15:50:01] <jmcp> 	/devices/pci@7c0/pci@0/pci@1/pci@0,2/LSILogic,sas@1 << a SAS hba
[15:50:09] <jmcp> that's for a t2000
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[15:50:19] <jmcp> UltraSPARC-T1
[15:50:29] <jmcp> yet the same card on an x86/x64 system would look like this:
[15:51:08] <SYS64738> ld: fatal: file /opt/instantclient_10_2/libclntsh.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[15:51:11] <SYS64738> is thi evil ?
[15:51:16] <SYS64738> this
[15:51:23] <flyingparchment> SYS64738: you're trying to use a 64-bit library with a 32-bit program
[15:51:32] <jmcp> madhatter:  /devices/pci@7b,0/pci1022,7458@11/pci1000,3060@2   << an x4200
[15:51:37] <SYS64738> I hate 64
[15:52:07] <SYS64738> flyingparchment, what can I do ?
[15:52:09] <madhatter> jmcp: So those are vendor ids?
[15:52:12] <jmcp> yes
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[15:52:26] <madhatter> jmcp: And there are two ids for the mass storage device then?
[15:52:29] <jmcp> madhatter: the essential difference is that we have to use the pci vendor/device id combination ("pci vid, did") on x86 because bios is r00ted/b0rked and is not intelligent
[15:52:41] <jmcp> no, there's one id
[15:52:55] <madhatter> jmcp: :name  pci1043,811a  pci105a,3d17 (obp-device, 6600000291)
[15:53:10] <jmcp> nope, you're reading it wrong
[15:53:31] <madhatter> jmcp: I have the same feeling ;)
[15:53:32] <jmcp> any line in prtpicl which starts with a colon is a property of the device
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[15:54:08] <madhatter> jmcp: Ah, okay
[15:54:21] <jmcp> madhatter: so you can see the device nodes by running          prtpicl -v| grep "  pci"
[15:54:29] <madhatter> SO the audio device starts with pci1102,20 (obp-device, 66000002b0)
[15:54:32] <jmcp> yes
[15:54:38] <madhatter> jmcp: Thanks!
[15:54:45] <jmcp> you're more than welcome
[15:54:54] <madhatter> jmcp: Ok, I will reboot and take a look at the bios of the card...
[15:55:03] <jmcp> and once you know that, it's fairly easy to figure out how the rest of it all hangs together
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[16:00:12] <jmcp> ok, bedtime for me
[16:00:13] <jmcp> gnite
[16:00:27] <kaiwai> good night
[16:00:31] <kaiwai> sweet dreams :)
[16:01:26] <madhatter> jmcp: There seems to be no bios on the controller :-/
[16:01:52] <madhatter> Right now I get into the mood for throwing the box out of the window
[16:02:39] <madhatter> Oh, too bad. He went to bed
[16:03:18] <madhatter> Anybody else got an idea how to get that sata disk available?
[16:04:25] <kaiwai> hmm, sata not detected
[16:04:53] <madhatter> kaiwai: The controller seems to be available, but I don't see the disk when calling 'format'
[16:05:14] <Highlander> intel or sparc
[16:05:18] <kaiwai> hmm, tried manually using fdisk?
[16:05:32] <madhatter> Highlander: Intel
[16:05:53] <madhatter> kaiwai: I have no idea what device to give to fdisk
[16:05:59] <madhatter> kaiwai: device path
[16:06:11] <kaiwai> hmm, what devices are listed in /dev/rdsk/ ?
[16:06:18] <Highlander> try this:
[16:06:25] <kaiwai> assuming you know whcih is your hard disk, cdrom - the remaining one being the sata drive
[16:06:28] <Highlander> eeprom pci-ide=pcixxx.xxxx
[16:06:44] <Highlander> it worked for my Silicon controller
[16:07:17] <Highlander> (then reboot)
[16:07:43] <madhatter> Highlander: There was no output after hitting return
[16:07:49] <Highlander> correct
[16:07:49] <madhatter> Highlander: What does that do?
[16:07:52] <kaiwai> thats a good thing
[16:07:59] <kaiwai> no message = job done
[16:08:11] <Highlander> set things in the 'eeprom'  which on a sparc is nvram/rom
[16:08:16] <Highlander> on intel its a file I believe
[16:08:21] <Highlander> touch /reconfigure
[16:08:27] <Highlander> and reboot
[16:08:45] <madhatter> Highlander: Too late, box reboots already
[16:08:52] <Highlander> ok
[16:09:05] <madhatter> I will touch the next time then
[16:09:14] <Highlander> or see if it works now
[16:09:58] <Pietro_S> isn't reboot -- -r (easier way how to force reconfigure?)
[16:11:34] <Highlander> I am not sure if that works on intel
[16:11:41] <Highlander> so i didnt give that as a hint
[16:12:42] <madhatter> Highlander: No new disk to see
[16:13:26] <Highlander> so, touch /reconfigure && reboot
[16:13:39] <madhatter> Highlander: Use eeprom again before doing that?
[16:13:42] <Highlander> no
[16:14:05] <madhatter> Highlander: Okay
[16:14:18] <Highlander> if this doesnt work, try to see if you see any new devices you didnt see before in /dev/rdsk
[16:14:28] <Highlander> and try fdisking manual, as kaiwai suggested
[16:14:59] <madhatter> Highlander: I never looked into /dev/rdsk before....
[16:15:17] <Highlander> I see..
[16:15:35] <Highlander> format only shows disks that have an Solaris partition defined
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[16:15:46] <madhatter> Highlander: Oh
[16:15:52] <Highlander> so, after rebooting, try kaiwai's suggestion, and try fdisk
[16:16:04] <Highlander> so, for example, fdisk /dev/rdsk/c0d0p0
[16:16:17] <Highlander> or whichever devices you find there
[16:16:28] <madhatter> Highlander: I will try so
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[16:16:50] <madhatter> WickedWicky: So the sata devices are in rdsk
[16:16:51] <kaiwai> oooh WickedWicky :)
[16:16:59] <WickedWicky> hellow kiwi :)
[16:17:09] <WickedWicky> madhatter "raw"  devices are in /dev/rdsk
[16:17:19] <WickedWicky> devices with a filesystem are in /dev/dsk/
[16:17:25] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Ah, okay
[16:17:41] <WickedWicky> partitioning and formatting always goes on /dev/rdsk, since it's done on non-filesystem layer
[16:17:53] <madhatter> WickedWicky: So the dvd-rw drive is in there, too?
[16:17:55] <WickedWicky> mounting goes via /dev/dsk/ since it's a filesystem operation
[16:17:58] <WickedWicky> yes
[16:18:12] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Ah, I see
[16:18:32] <WickedWicky> technicaly its in both /dev/dsk and /dev/rdsk
[16:18:47] <WickedWicky> ./dev/rdsk to write an iso or format a dvd
[16:18:56] <WickedWicky> and /dev/dsk to mount the CD/DVD
[16:20:21] <madhatter> WickedWicky: So, I went for c0d0p0, and it lists an active solaris2 partition
[16:20:29] <WickedWicky> so
[16:20:31] <madhatter> WickedWicky: That means it's not the disk I am looking for?
[16:20:32] <WickedWicky> format
[16:20:36] <WickedWicky> should show c0d0
[16:21:51] <WickedWicky> now run the same fdisk command for c0d1p0 c1d0p0 c1d1p0
[16:22:01] <WickedWicky> and/or any other device you see in /dev/rdsk
[16:22:12] <WickedWicky> (try ls /dev/rdsk/*p0
[16:22:13] <WickedWicky> )
[16:22:40] <madhatter> I have c0d0, c0d1 and c1d0 as ide disks
[16:23:18] <madhatter> The only one showing up there is c2t0d0
[16:23:27] <madhatter> But I cant get it in fdisk
[16:24:02] <WickedWicky> then that's prolly your CDrom
[16:24:18] <madhatter> WickedWicky: So, still no other disk found
[16:24:52] <WickedWicky> when you run /usr/X11/bin/scanpci | less
[16:25:05] <WickedWicky> does the storage controller show up as RAID controller or MASS storage controller?
[16:26:00] <madhatter> It does not seem to show up there at all
[16:26:30] <madhatter> madhatter: Promise
[16:26:44] <madhatter> Talking to myself
[16:26:51] <WickedWicky> oh
[16:26:52] <WickedWicky> promise
[16:26:55] <WickedWicky> you can stop then
[16:26:59] <madhatter> WickedWicky: It says the name of the controller there, but not waht kind
[16:27:04] <WickedWicky> I didnt get any of my promise cards to work
[16:27:09] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Nooooooooooooo!
[16:27:19] <madhatter> WickedWicky: I read it works fine with that controller
[16:27:23] <WickedWicky> I tried the Ultra133/Ultra100/Ultra66
[16:27:24] <madhatter> on the lists
[16:27:25] <WickedWicky> yeah well
[16:27:27] <WickedWicky> not for me
[16:27:32] <WickedWicky> it's why I bought Silicon Image cards
[16:27:33] <madhatter> Crap.
[16:27:45] <madhatter> Spend 200 bucks for nothing
[16:27:48] <WickedWicky> hey
[16:27:51] <WickedWicky> it might work
[16:27:54] <WickedWicky> it just didnt for me
[16:28:09] <WickedWicky> so I am afraid I cant really give you advice on this one :s
[16:28:16] <madhatter> I had a silicon onboard that wasn't able to get out of raid mode, that's why I bought that one
[16:28:36] <madhatter> I am about to cry over here soon ;)
[16:29:03] <WickedWicky> you can get it out of raid mode by flashing the BIOS
[16:29:08] <WickedWicky> it's what I did
[16:29:22] <madhatter> WickedWicky: What board?
[16:29:31] <WickedWicky> Silicon Image 680
[16:29:43] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Mainboard?
[16:29:53] <WickedWicky> no, PCI-add on
[16:29:59] <WickedWicky> but the mainboard one I flashed as well
[16:30:11] <WickedWicky> (on my Gigabyte 7GA-XP Ultra)
[16:30:12] <madhatter> WickedWicky: I have an asus board
[16:30:44] <WickedWicky> and wtf
[16:30:51] <WickedWicky> you paid 200 for a promise card?
[16:31:00] <WickedWicky> they gave you free BJ with it?
[16:31:06] <madhatter> WickedWicky: No, I was thinking about getting a 500GB disk
[16:31:14] <WickedWicky> oh
[16:31:19] <madhatter> WickedWicky: So I chose s-atat
[16:31:29] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Did not work, so I had to get another controller
[16:31:43] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Nobody could name me an exact card, only chips
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[16:31:58] <WickedWicky> that's cause the chip is what matters
[16:32:10] <WickedWicky> I buy my SATA cards from the brand Sweex
[16:32:15] <WickedWicky> but they have Silicon Image chipset
[16:32:19] <madhatter> WickedWicky: That's why I then chose this one because I read on a list, that somebody installed it and it run from the very first moment
[16:32:20] <WickedWicky> so I need Silicon Image drivers
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[16:32:29] <WickedWicky> well, if its listed it should work
[16:32:33] <WickedWicky> I just didnt manage to
[16:32:41] <madhatter> WickedWicky: There is a silicon chip on the promise card
[16:33:19] <madhatter> WickedWicky: Never heard of Sweex, maybe not available in Germany
[16:35:24] <quasi> WickedWicky: some Sil cards are supported, but not all
[16:35:54] <Stric> madhatter: Sweex exists in Sweden too.. cheapest stuff there is, but features SIL, realtek etc stuff
[16:36:12] <quasi> madhatter: isn't .de ~= .nl? at least the language sounds a bit like it ;)
[16:36:30] * quasi hides
[16:37:20] <madhatter> Stric: Sweden is over the sea ;)
[16:37:58] <madhatter> quasi: Ya? I only noticed that I can read most of netherlands, but I don't understand them talking
[16:38:01] <WickedWicky> .nl is not sweden dude
[16:38:15] <WickedWicky> jesus
[16:38:29] <WickedWicky> I thought quasi could say bad things about my country
[16:38:31] <madhatter> I have c1t0, c1t1 and c2t0 in /dev/rdsk, but only one dvd-rom drive
[16:38:47] <quasi> madhatter: iostat -E
[16:39:14] <WickedWicky> I
[16:39:17] <WickedWicky> will be righ tback
[16:39:29] <madhatter> quasi: cmdsk0, cmdk1, cmdk2 and sd1, which is the dvd
[16:40:36] <quasi> maybe you need to clean up devlinks - devfsadm -Cv
[16:41:05] <madhatter> quasi: Removed a lot
[16:41:41] <madhatter> quasi: Now I only have the four devices in /dev/rdsk
[16:42:02] <quasi> better?
[16:42:21] <madhatter> Somebody interested in a sata controller plus a 500gb maxtor disk? 160 Euros plus shipping
[16:42:44] * quasi does a runner to the serverroom
[16:42:45] <dlg> which chip?
[16:42:57] <madhatter> quasi: no, I am still missing that new drive
[16:43:15] <madhatter> dlg: I forgot, some kind of sil 3114 iifc
[16:43:20] <madhatter> iirc
[16:43:26] <dlg> k
[16:43:57] <madhatter> dlg: I can see the controller, but not the disk attached to it
[16:44:15] <madhatter> dlg: But the controller tells me about the disk when starting the box
[16:44:26] <madhatter> dlg: It *is* connected to it :)
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[17:04:03] <madhatter> So, I think I am giving up here
[17:04:14] <madhatter> I always hated hardware
[17:04:19] <madhatter> Now I remember why
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[17:05:31] <kaiwai> best to stick to intel hardware
[17:05:36] <kaiwai> never had a problem
[17:07:29] <madhatter> kaiwai: I never saw an intel sata controller somewhere
[17:07:30] <jamesd_> probably  raid related.. if the controller is smart enough to talk about disk drives... its probably too smart to work in solaris 10
[17:08:04] <kaiwai> madhatter: IIRC, my brothers Dell has a intel controller with raid capabale
[17:08:07] <kaiwai> *capable
[17:08:18] <madhatter> kaiwai: Why raid?
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[17:08:29] <madhatter> kaiwai: I was told raid is not supported at all
[17:09:05] <kaiwai> sorry, I thought that is what you wanted
[17:09:12] <kaiwai> intel has a sata controller
[17:09:23] <jamesd_> if company X writes a raid controller driver its supported, but i dont think sun will ever write a driver for a raid controller they didnt make.
[17:09:31] <madhatter> kaiwai: I only want sata, without any hardware raid
[17:09:43] <kaiwai> purchase a motherboard which has an intel one rather than relying on others
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[17:10:45] <madhatter> kaiwai: I purchased enough for now. At the moment I am thinking about how getting rid of all that and buing a ide disk instead
[17:10:49] <madhatter> ide works
[17:11:28] <kaiwai> well, don't blame anyone for purchasing dodgy unsupported hardware
[17:11:57] <madhatter> kaiwai: sil3114 is supported. That's what I was told
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[17:12:28] <kaiwai> can you return it to the shop you purchased it from
[17:12:32] <kaiwai> ?
[17:12:50] <madhatter> kaiwai: The controller yes, but not the disk. I already have it for too long now
[17:13:00] <Fish> hello
[17:13:02] <madhatter> kaiwai: It took a while to get the new controller
[17:13:05] <kaiwai> oh, its an add in controller
[17:13:26] <madhatter> kaiwai: Yeah, the onboard one was my first try
[17:13:41] <kaiwai> what type is the onboard?
[17:13:48] <madhatter> sil3112a
[17:13:55] <madhatter> But with raid
[17:14:04] <kaiwai> :/
[17:14:23] <kaiwai> would have been better off purchasing an MB with an intel chipset
[17:14:46] <madhatter> kaiwai: The cpu is too old to get a board for that now, I am afraif
[17:14:51] <madhatter> *afraid
[17:15:02] <kaiwai> hm, oh well
[17:15:28] <kaiwai> I've had good experience with this HP laptop (Intel Core 2), ipod is working too :)
[17:16:46] <madhatter> kaiwai: That ain't a laptop
[17:17:15] <kaiwai> how so
[17:17:16] <kaiwai> ?
[17:18:53] <madhatter> kaiwai: I'm just saying. I never thought I would experience any such issues whith a desktop pc when laptops are supported that well
[17:19:27] <kaiwai> madhatter: well, its using non-intel stuff which causes issues
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[17:22:41] <madhatter> kaiwai: Hm
[17:23:23] <madhatter> kaiwai: Intel controller 400 bucks
[17:23:26] <madhatter> yay
[17:23:44] <kaiwai> I'm saying when the desktop was originally purchased
[17:23:49] <kaiwai> or the more correctly the MB
[17:24:36] <madhatter> kaiwai: I would switch the MB if I did not have to switch cpu and memory also :)
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[17:51:28] <SYS64738> have anyone compiled php5 with --with-oci8 extension ?
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[17:52:50] <sparcdr> no
[17:52:52] <sparcdr> that's oracle 8 right?
[17:52:57] <SYS64738> yes
[17:53:39] <sparcdr> what version are you compiling against?  and do you have your environment variables set to find the oracle headers?
[17:54:02] <SYS64738> I have a problem between 32 and 64 bit instantclient and library
[17:54:16] <SYS64738> I tried with instantclient 32 and 64
[17:54:24] <sparcdr> instantclient?
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[17:54:35] <SYS64738> is the oci
[17:54:44] <sparcdr> sorry to be asking all these questions but i'd assume php would need includes to compile against
[17:55:10] <ofu> is 64mbyte flash enough for a minimal nevada?
[17:55:26] <SYS64738> I use the --with-oci8=instantclient,/opt/instantclient_10_2
[17:55:38] <SYS64738> checking Oracle Instant Client directory... /opt/instantclient_10_2
[17:55:39] <SYS64738> checking Oracle Instant Client SDK header directory... /opt/instantclient_10_2/sdk/include
[17:55:39] <SYS64738> checking Oracle Instant Client version... configure: error: Oracle Instant Client library version not supported
[17:55:55] <sparcdr> ofu, negative
[17:56:06] <ofu> thats a pity
[17:56:10] <sparcdr> it's 128, just like solaris, but you'd have to liveupgrade to get it working
[17:56:19] <sparcdr> it's an impossible feat and no it's not a pity, it's how it is
[17:56:24] <SYS64738> while the 64 bit go on but when I do a make It tells me that the binary is incompatible with the system library
[17:56:36] <sparcdr> hm
[17:57:08] <sparcdr> could you find your oracle libraries and main binary for oracle?
[17:57:11] <ofu> http://virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Thecus_5200/index2.shtml only uses 64mbyte, but i think the system might rock
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[17:57:30] <SYS64738> sparcdr, yes
[17:57:33] <sparcdr> need we not get in a discussion about where solaris came from
[17:57:34] <ofu> dont know where to buy this flash thing
[17:57:51] <sparcdr> neat
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[17:58:06] <sparcdr> but yeah 64mb is not enough even for linux
[17:58:20] <ofu> it uses linux and a celeron1500mhz
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[17:58:30] <sparcdr> NAS devices struggle with what they have anyways
[17:58:35] <sparcdr> i bet you it cant handle more than 100mbit
[17:58:52] <sparcdr> brb
[17:58:58] <ofu> no, i think, a 1500mhz celeron may be much faster
[17:59:00] <sparcdr> SYS64738, okay just find the path to the libraries for me
[17:59:01] <sparcdr> haha
[17:59:04] <sparcdr> hell no
[17:59:17] <sparcdr> celeron is cheap, outdated, slow and cheap to begin with, and did i say cheap and slow?
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[17:59:28] <SYS64738> sparcdr, do you mean checking Oracle Instant Client SDK header directory... /opt/instantclient_10_2/sdk/include ?
[17:59:33] <sparcdr> no
[17:59:34] <ofu> thats 1500 core-mhz, not netburst-p4 stuff
[17:59:35] <sparcdr> i mean the libraries
[17:59:39] <sparcdr> who cares
[17:59:48] <sparcdr> it's not a matter of p4 vs p4 arch
[17:59:52] <sparcdr> it IS a p4 btw
[17:59:59] <sparcdr> they based celerons at least almost all on p4
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[18:00:24] <sparcdr> and x86 is not a cool or efficient architecture, nor does a 1500mhz celeron suffice for a NAS
[18:00:32] <sparcdr> i'll take a 300mhz ARM any day of the week
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[18:00:55] <sparcdr> even a VIA C3 is better :/
[18:01:23] <sparcdr> SYS64738, in /opt/instantclient_10_2 is there a lib dir?
[18:01:55] <SYS64738> sparcdr, the libraries are there
[18:02:03] <sparcdr> how many files?
[18:02:05] <sparcdr> a lot?
[18:02:14] <SYS64738> seven
[18:02:24] <sparcdr> run file on all of them and pm me the output
[18:02:38] <sparcdr> just file * in lib
[18:04:28] <SYS64738> sparcdr, http://rafb.net/p/W7CAKB35.html
[18:04:41] <sparcdr> that works
[18:04:50] <sparcdr> now is there an oracle binary on the system?
[18:04:52] <sparcdr> like for the server etc
[18:05:06] <sparcdr> "32-bit" on all of them, no wonder it can't do 64-bit
[18:05:11] <sparcdr> just read what you just pastebined
[18:05:17] <sparcdr> none say 64-bit at all
[18:05:24] <sparcdr> is there a lib64 dir in there?
[18:05:35] <SYS64738> in fact it is the instant clent 32bit
[18:05:46] <sparcdr> you cant build 64-bit with 32-bit libraries
[18:06:05] <SYS64738> no wait
[18:06:13] <sparcdr> you wanted 64-bit i thought
[18:06:14] <SYS64738> I can download two instantclient from oracle
[18:06:21] <SYS64738> one 32 and one 64
[18:06:29] <sparcdr> get 64-bit and rm the old one :D
[18:06:41] <SYS64738> If I try with the 64bit I have another problem
[18:06:52] <SYS64738> ok I try to compile so I can show you
[18:07:36] <sparcdr> sure
[18:07:42] <sparcdr> but you cant solve it with 32-bit :)
[18:07:55] <sparcdr> unless all of php is built 32-bit, and is using a 32-bit apache :/
[18:08:13] <sparcdr> which defeats the purpose of having x86_64
[18:08:25] <sparcdr> man sun's patch mirror is crappy :(
[18:08:39] <sparcdr> 533 line patch-list.txt ftw xD
[18:09:25] <sparcdr> enough patches to gag a maggot imho
[18:09:31] <SYS64738> I am trying to compile php from source package from cooltools
[18:09:44] <sparcdr> cooltools?  coolstack?
[18:09:48] <SYS64738> yes cks
[18:09:51] <SYS64738> csk
[18:09:52] <sparcdr> ok
[18:09:58] <sparcdr> well that's all 64-bit
[18:10:04] <sparcdr> but okay pastebin the 64-bit problems
[18:10:09] <SYS64738> ok
[18:10:48] <SYS64738> ops
[18:10:53] <sparcdr> o.o
[18:10:54] <SYS64738> I have the same error
[18:10:59] <sparcdr> meh?
[18:11:25] <SYS64738> I am a little bit confused
[18:12:03] <sparcdr> pastebin it for me
[18:12:07] <sparcdr> just copy all of it
[18:13:00] <SYS64738> sparcdr, http://rafb.net/p/SJXqL512.html
[18:13:18] <sparcdr> yeah
[18:13:38] <sparcdr> but want to try and explain to me why php would be able to use oracle10 with oracle8 config opt?
[18:13:40] <SYS64738> but libraries are 64
[18:14:00] <sparcdr> again, explain to me that, if there's an oracle 10 option you need to use it
[18:14:22] <SYS64738> I need to read an oracle 8 db
[18:14:26] <sparcdr> maybe there's a bug
[18:14:38] <SYS64738> instantclient is version 10
[18:14:39] <sparcdr> i gotcha there but it wont build against oracle 8
[18:14:44] <sparcdr> they should be backwards compatible
[18:16:50] <SYS64738> but why do you talk about oracle 10 ?
[18:17:20] <sparcdr> because oracle8 would mean you'd need to tell php to compile against oracle8 libraries, but you have oracle10
[18:17:39] <sparcdr> i talk about it because the database formats dont change that often, they add features
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[18:20:03] <sparcdr> php5 wont be able to build against archived oracle8 software most likely, and by not being backwards compatible, they are killing customers, they don't do that at the premium of oracle afterall.  just try it
[18:21:12] <SYS64738> sorry but how do you know that I have oracle 10 ?
[18:22:03] <sparcdr> you dont need it
[18:22:43] <sparcdr> you need to use the php option for regular oracle, or oracle 10 if it has it, oracle 8 is legacy, and you wont be able to compile against older 8 libraries unless they support it, you cant upgrade and use incompatible libraries and headers for an older version
[18:23:09] <kaiwai> anyone using gtkpod?
[18:23:40] <sparcdr> me kadath
[18:23:43] <sparcdr> er kaiwai
[18:23:50] <SYS64738> sparcdr, I don't know why but 30 min ago the configure worked
[18:23:59] <sparcdr> what did you change
[18:24:22] <kaiwai> sparcdr: is the libgpod and gtkpod version linked - that is, if I upgrade the libgpod, do I need to re-compile libgpod?
[18:24:23] <sparcdr> okay so i was assuming, it can use oracle10 libraries, it's just 8 and above for oci8
[18:24:28] <kaiwai> *gtkpod
[18:24:28] <SYS64738> removed /opt/instalclient 32bit and download the 64 bit version
[18:24:31] <sparcdr> kaiwai, yes
[18:24:36] <kaiwai> bugger
[18:24:47] <kaiwai> 0.99.10 doesn't work with 0.5.2 on solaris :(
[18:24:51] <sparcdr> SYS64738, but again php cant use 32-bit libraries unless all of it is 32-bit, including the webserver
[18:25:02] <sparcdr> and csk is all 64-bit
[18:25:12] <SYS64738> sparcdr, I am in x86
[18:25:19] <SYS64738> only mysql is 64
[18:25:23] <sparcdr> doesnt make one bit of difference
[18:25:26] <sparcdr> csk is ALL 64-bit
[18:25:33] <sparcdr> it says x64 on it
[18:25:44] <sparcdr> unless they are doing dumb naming conventions
[18:26:04] <sparcdr> probably, they did that with keyspan drivers and bundled x86 in a x64 labeled package :D
[18:26:22] <sparcdr> okay, so put back 32-bit version then
[18:27:18] <SYS64738> serverwifi # file /opt/coolstack/apache2/lib/libapr-1.so
[18:27:19] <SYS64738> /opt/coolstack/apache2/lib/libapr-1.so: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available
[18:27:40] <sparcdr> ah
[18:27:43] <sparcdr> okay bad labeling
[18:27:56] <sparcdr> so you need 32-bit no problem
[18:28:13] <sparcdr> sorry for misinforming you, but sun likes doing that to promise their systems and integration
[18:28:18] <sparcdr> *promote
[18:28:23] <SYS64738> ok
[18:29:18] <sparcdr> so do it again, pastebin the errors, i wont assume anything
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[18:29:48] <SYS64738> ok (and thanks)
[18:29:55] <sparcdr> np
[18:29:59] <sparcdr> i just want to help :D
[18:30:10] <SYS64738> you are a saint
[18:30:29] <sparcdr> trying to be that is
[18:30:42] <sparcdr> no one else is active today so ill do what i can to get this kludge gone
[18:34:04] <SYS64738> sparcdr, this is the whole store
[18:34:07] <SYS64738> story
[18:34:08] <SYS64738> http://rafb.net/p/RICCXo83.html
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[18:40:03] <delphi1000> hi
[18:40:17] <delphi1000> all talents
[18:40:57] <sparcdr> back
[18:41:06] <delphi1000> hi buddy
[18:41:42] <delphi1000> do you know how to change the solaris's kernel to suse?
[18:41:53] <kaiwai> pardon?
[18:41:53] <sparcdr> delphi1000, what are you smoking?
[18:41:55] <kaiwai> change the kernel?
[18:42:09] <kaiwai> what ever he is smoking, it can't be legal
[18:42:14] <SYS64738> I know that you can build gentoo with a solaris kernel
[18:42:15] <sparcdr> OpenSolaris gets the name Solaris partly from the kernel
[18:42:24] <delphi1000> no
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[18:42:26] <sparcdr> if you mean SunOS kernel + GNU userland, there's Nexenta
[18:42:38] <delphi1000> i know
[18:42:39] <delphi1000> it
[18:42:40] <sparcdr> not the other way around, cause solaris uses the same exact stuff as gnu
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[18:42:48] <sparcdr> just use linux if you want to use it
[18:42:59] <delphi1000> just i wanna know how to complish it?
[18:43:02] <sparcdr> and dont discuss crack smoke induced thoughts that make no sense
[18:43:04] <sparcdr> you don't
[18:43:48] <sparcdr> have haven't even used solaris, nor do you know the differences between linux and sunos kernels.  and you probably have no idea about library dependencies, libc implementions and kernel runtime execution
[18:44:02] <sparcdr> *you probably haven't
[18:44:24] <delphi1000> yes
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[18:44:34] <sparcdr> there's no reason to do it at all, you want linux runtime and solaris feel/stability, nexenta
[18:44:55] <sparcdr> OpenSolaris uses GNOME, GCC, and all the stuff you have on Linux, it's the same thing on the desktop front basically
[18:44:58] <sparcdr> but internally, no
[18:45:36] <sparcdr> SYS64738, check php bugs for Oracle 10_2 incompatibility
[18:45:43] <cmihai> sparcdr, don't you mean the Ubuntu feel and stability? :-)
[18:45:48] <sparcdr> hell no
[18:45:50] <sparcdr> that smells
[18:45:56] <sparcdr> stability hah
[18:46:01] <sparcdr> well feel, moreover yeah
[18:46:14] <cmihai> Nexenta is pretty much Ubuntu with a OpenSolaris ON (kernel + networking) and some applications.
[18:46:17] <cmihai> It's also ALPHA
[18:46:24] <sparcdr> just no crumbling unix beard multi-teer 3rd party kludge combination
[18:46:28] <sparcdr> heh
[18:46:40] <cmihai> Hell, they even _use_ the ubuntu stuff.
[18:46:41] <sparcdr> i know cmihai
[18:46:48] <sparcdr> nothing to compare it to
[18:46:59] <sparcdr> he's very ignorant of libc and kernel stuff
[18:47:25] <delphi1000> oh,key figure.
[18:47:27] <sparcdr> i explained in a translated way and he still insists in using loonix with the impossible
[18:47:46] <sparcdr> im not the key figure, but im sure all of the sun devs here would laugh at you hard
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[18:48:25] <sparcdr> want linux, as in the kernel?  then run a linux distribution.  dont play the yeah let's replace libc with gnu and re-license everything (You can't, and it's incompatible at kernel level)
[18:48:56] <sparcdr> @ your username, very funny indeed, delphi isn't even a modern programming language worth throwing two sticks at
[18:49:37] <sparcdr> blah thank goodness for pantera
[18:49:49] <LeftWing> Delphi isn't a programming language, either, it's a Development environment and toolkit for Pascal development.
[18:49:56] <delphi1000> you know delphi is not always meaning for programming language.
[18:50:02] <sparcdr> it's moreover extensions
[18:50:09] <sparcdr> might be india-related too
[18:50:14] <delphi1000> you know
[18:50:34] <delphi1000> in the tale of Greek,
[18:50:34] <sparcdr> you know, i answered your question, it's legally incompatible and technically not thesible
[18:50:46] <sparcdr> in the tale of go away we dont care, the god bob said go away
[18:51:10] <delphi1000> delphi is a beautiful goddess
[18:51:34] * LeftWing mumbles something about IRC being full of sterling examples of the community and returns to coding.
[18:52:01] <PerterB> uh, wasn't Delphi the site of the oracle, not a deity
[18:52:38] <delphi1000> ^_^
[18:53:02] <sparcdr> Oracle is not a deity, it's a database
[18:53:17] * kaiwai takes a puff on delphi1000's hubbly-bubbly
[18:53:22] * sparcdr just shows how little he has to do except computer stuff
[18:53:56] <sparcdr> delphi1000, sorry for bashing you so much, but yeah tried getting it through your head that it doesn't make sense
[18:54:08] <sparcdr> brb
[18:54:16] <delphi1000> i know
[18:54:19] <delphi1000> thank you
[18:54:48] <delphi1000> hi guy,
[18:55:15] <sparcdr> yeah..
[18:56:58] <delphi1000> can you analyze a dtrace script?
[18:57:37] <sparcdr> sure
[18:57:57] <sparcdr> you'd call it a probe
[18:58:05] <delphi1000> yes
[18:58:10] <delphi1000> but when i run it
[18:58:30] <sparcdr> it says sigsev die!
[18:58:31] <sparcdr> :D
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[18:59:19] <SYS64738> I give up, tomorrow I'll try on a linux server
[18:59:44] <delphi1000> it just show dtrace matched a prob.why i can not the get the output from
[18:59:54] <delphi1000> hi guy
[18:59:58] <sparcdr> because you forgot to run man
[19:00:06] <delphi1000> don't be lost your heart.
[19:00:14] <sparcdr> meh
[19:00:26] <delphi1000> hi guy
[19:00:33] <sparcdr> maybe i should just go code so i dont have to be here for a while
[19:00:34] <sparcdr> ;/
[19:00:53] <delphi1000> not all the things will be shown in man page.
[19:01:24] <delphi1000> sys
[19:01:51] <sparcdr> delphi1000, enough to solve most problems, then there's http://docs.sun.com/ too :)
[19:02:14] 
[19:02:15] <sparcdr> check out mailinglists on http://www.opensolaris.org/ if you really need a human answer
[19:02:41] <delphi1000> Ok
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[19:04:21] <sparcdr> blah :D
[19:04:30] <SYS64738> sparcdr, I found only bug for php4 with oci, but I am using php5
[19:04:38] <sparcdr> okay SYS64738
[19:04:58] <sparcdr> are you sure you set your INCLUDE_PATH PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH's to use Oracle stuff?
[19:05:21] <SYS64738> serverwifi # export | grep LD
[19:05:21] <SYS64738> declare -x LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/instantclient_10_2"
[19:05:27] <sparcdr> er
[19:05:29] <sparcdr> that's bad
[19:05:45] <sparcdr> need to have system libs included
[19:05:50] <SYS64738> understood
[19:06:08] <sparcdr> LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/instantclient_10_2:/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/sfw/lib" etc
[19:06:20] <sparcdr> have you googled first?
[19:06:29] <sparcdr> i cant be a big help because i have no oracle experience
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[19:13:28] <SYS64738> I must go now, sparcdr thanks very much for the help
[19:13:46] <SYS64738> I will inform you in future about this
[19:13:47] <SYS64738> bye
[19:14:06] <sparcdr> i said i tried
[19:14:09] <sparcdr> bye SYS64738
[19:14:16] <sparcdr> ask php guys for help
[19:14:33] <sparcdr> a lot of them run oracle on their sun systems, so im sure it's a trivial fix
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[19:23:33] <Triskelios> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-arc/2007-August/003884.html - hilarious schily flame thread
[19:25:08] <FireflyST> is the nv_73 sxce out yet?
[19:25:36] <Triskelios> not publicly. releases are usually on Fridays
[19:25:42] <PerterB> s/hilarious/interminable/
[19:25:59] <kaiwai> still not as good as the theo flamefeasts
[19:26:31] <Triskelios> PerterB: oh, but the ending is great
[19:28:04] <sparcdr> sounds dumb :/
[19:28:29] <sparcdr> about feature parity and ignoring what makes sun a favorite among long-time unix admins, compatibility
[19:28:32] <Triskelios> Joerg gets all worked up over enhancements to tar (how dare you enhance tar when you know star is the one true tar!) and it turns out he missed the aARC meeting about it
[19:28:57] <sparcdr> "how dare you dare me when I dare you" -leslie neilson
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[19:29:13] <Triskelios> and of course he asks "So why did nobody remond me to do so on wednesday?"
[19:29:45] <sparcdr> because sh*t happens :D
[19:30:29] <FireflyST> or maybe they didn't want him there with an attitude like that
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[19:31:00] <sparcdr> no one likes socializing with theo for the same reason, people love his trolls from archive a lot more :)
[19:32:11] <Triskelios> FireflyST: for one thing, the ARC meeting schedules are publicly posted, and secondly it's not someone's job to remind Joerg about every tar-related ARC case
[19:32:15] <FireflyST> does anyone take Joerg seriously?
[19:32:51] <sparcdr> not really, from browsing archives ive read over a few replies to his somewhat abrasive posts
[19:36:48] <FireflyST> why does this guy's name ring a bell from some other community I'm in
[19:36:57] <WickedWicky> cdrecord
[19:37:00] <WickedWicky> cdrtools
[19:37:03] <FireflyST> oh
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[19:37:13] <FireflyST> probably that
[19:37:46] <FireflyST> you know what I find funny
[19:38:20] <WickedWicky> tell
[19:38:43] <FireflyST> it seems like the linux people who get involved in nevada development get pissy when you mention documentation being any kind of priority
[19:39:14] <kaiwai> FireflyST: *shrugs* I've see people get pissy over documentation irrespective of what their background is
[19:39:37] <WickedWicky> I thought it was common sysadmin behaviour to hate documentation and documenting
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[19:40:18] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: its hatred by most IT people - the lust of wanting to jump in and fire off commands than doing the 'unsexy' paper work before hand
[19:40:25] <Triskelios> no! I hate documenting, but love having accurate documentation
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[19:46:36] <richlowe> What I really enjoy is kaiwai thinking we're all morons.
[19:46:41] <richlowe> lowered expectations == easier work
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[19:47:02] <kaiwai> richlowe: who said that? i certainly didn't
[19:50:55] <richlowe> See, now you're just trying to raise expectations again.
[19:50:58] <richlowe> and thus, make things harder.
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[19:52:06] <flyingparchment> i thought just the guy who wrote pcfs was a moron
[19:52:39] <richlowe> moroniciousness encompasses anything currently broken.
[19:54:09] <LeftWing> Or the folks at {nVidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, Sun, Apple, ...} depending on the modulus of the date and some unknown (and probably variable) integer.
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[20:03:08] <sparcdr> i really like lulzing at #opensolaris ^_^
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[20:06:12] <FireflyST> \o/ 4 the lulz \o/
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[20:10:17] <sparcdr> s/lulz/biglaugh
[20:11:16] <Triskelios> I just unplugged my usb zpool from the fileserver, it's sitting on the couch now so I can snapshot the laptop's root and copy it...
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[20:13:22] <Pedro1> hi
[20:14:04] <Pedro1> Which laptop (model, brand) is good for installing opensolaris
[20:14:57] <iron_angel> Well, the Sun Ultra 3 is probably on top of the list, but I suspect that isn't what you're really looking for...
[20:15:08] <iron_angel> As for x86 stuffs, I'd have to do more research.
[20:15:22] <Triskelios> Sun uses Acer Ferraris internally, I (and some other people) have VAIO SZs...
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[20:15:54] <Pedro1> i see
[20:16:05] <Triskelios> you should look at the Solaris HCL, or look up the individual components
[20:16:25] <sparcdr> haha
[20:16:26] <sparcdr> thinkpad t30
[20:16:28] <FireflyST> I've had decent success with my Dell, everything but the speakers work
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[20:16:48] <sparcdr> everything works on t30 except suspend/resume and speedstep in SDX 04/04
[20:17:07] <Pedro1> i see
[20:17:33] <Pedro1> I am planning to buy some inexpensive laptop (around $800); and I wanna play with opensolaris on it
[20:17:37] <Pedro1> looking for options
[20:17:53] <sparcdr> no laptop does suspend/resume, barely any do speedstep
[20:18:01] <sparcdr> i got my t30 2 1/2 years ago for 565
[20:18:02] <Triskelios> preferably get something based on Core2
[20:18:04] <Pedro1> sun ultra 3 is no longer orderable
[20:18:07] <sparcdr> sorry, no dice there
[20:18:12] <Pedro1> yeah, core2
[20:18:13] <sparcdr> Pedro1, yeah
[20:18:16] <sparcdr> core 2... hmm
[20:18:44] <sparcdr> AMD and Intel only chipsets (i845-865) preferrably, and mini-pci with atheros, onboard or mxm nvidia
[20:18:53] <sparcdr> try a Asus C90 barebones tbh
[20:19:00] <sparcdr> wont be 800
[20:19:07] <Pedro1> let me check
[20:19:10] <sparcdr> no core2 with all the most compatible things will be under 1200
[20:19:16] <sparcdr> even that's low
[20:19:22] <sparcdr> around 1500 is sweet spot
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[20:19:53] <sparcdr> C90 is highly upgradable, supports conroe, if you're into being able to upgrade
[20:19:55] <sparcdr> hey jamesd
[20:21:33] <sparcdr> lunch
[20:21:34] <sparcdr> bbl
[20:21:37] <sparcdr> good luck Pedro1
[20:21:44] <sparcdr> and Ultra3 would had been around 3k btw
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[20:22:01] <FireflyST> yeah
[20:22:09] <Pedro1> I can upgrade laptop, no problem
[20:22:17] <FireflyST> I almost had enough saved for one when they axed it
[20:22:26] <Pedro1> I want to keep multiple OS-ubuntu, opensolaris, windoze
[20:22:47] <sparcdr> you want to take a hard look at a T60 or a C90
[20:23:08] <sparcdr> bye
[20:23:13] <sparcdr> have a nice day #opensolaris
[20:23:17] <Pedro1> thanks, sparc
[20:23:39] <FireflyST> cd /
[20:23:40] <FireflyST> ls
[20:23:42] <FireflyST> oops ww
[20:23:43] <FireflyST> lol
[20:24:11] <Berny> ls / is shorter :-P
[20:25:46] <FireflyST> there were 'screen' control attempts in between those
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[20:32:59] <Triskelios> argh, fssnap doesn't want to work
[20:34:33] <kaiwai> Pedro1: you still there?
[20:34:42] <kaiwai> Pedro1: you looking for a compatible laptop
[20:35:01] <kaiwai> ?
[20:35:57] <kaiwai> 'allo?
[20:36:00] <sparcdr> blah csk apache2 is being dumb when i enable ssl
[20:36:32] * kaiwai tasers Pedro1
[20:36:34] <Pedro1> yeah, kaiwai
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[20:36:39] <kaiwai> ok
[20:36:40] <FireflyST> wb sparcdr
[20:36:46] <kaiwai> I saw an acer down the road
[20:36:47] <sparcdr> just checking things then watching tv
[20:36:49] <Pedro1> yeah
[20:36:52] <sparcdr> acer != asus
[20:36:58] <Pedro1> yeah, i know
[20:36:59] <sparcdr> acer is barebones market oriented
[20:37:05] <kaiwai> their new emerald range, atheros wireless, amd 64bit processor
[20:37:05] <sparcdr> which is why it's a great option
[20:37:06] <Pedro1> i saw barebones asus c90 for $800
[20:37:06] <sparcdr> :)
[20:37:13] <sparcdr> yeah that's not complete
[20:37:15] <kaiwai> 8400 gpu
[20:37:16] <kaiwai> etc.
[20:37:17] <sparcdr> that's mobo + lcd + enclosure
[20:37:20] <sparcdr> they are modular
[20:37:23] <Pedro1> i see
[20:37:37] <sparcdr> mxm gfx (8600gt) option, memory is separate, disk is separate (no windows tax)
[20:37:39] <kaiwai> NZ$1200 or so incl. GST
[20:37:40] <mbkumar> can somebody tell me how to boot xfs partition from opensolaris grub
[20:37:51] <Pedro1> kaiwai, which laptop is it
[20:37:54] <sparcdr> mbkumar, not sure you can
[20:38:00] <kaiwai> Acer Emerald IIRC
[20:38:01] <mbkumar> oh ok
[20:38:07] <Pedro1> sparc, can you give me the configuration for asus c90
[20:38:12] <sparcdr> sure
[20:38:15] <sparcdr> ill give you a site
[20:38:18] <Pedro1> which is compatible with opensolaris
[20:38:19] <Pedro1> thanks
[20:38:20] <sparcdr> google rkcomputer
[20:38:27] <kaiwai> sorry, its called 'gemstone'
[20:38:29] <sparcdr> should be if it's atheros, nvidia, intel stuff
[20:38:38] <sparcdr> acer ferrari is decent, minus crap ati
[20:38:44] <sparcdr> stay away from ati
[20:38:52] <Pedro1> ok
[20:38:58] <Triskelios> kaiwai: $1200NZD? wow that's cheap
[20:38:59] <sparcdr> unless they release specs like they said they would (AMD that is) it'll be a while anyways
[20:39:06] <sparcdr> bai
[20:39:11] <Pedro1> I dont want anything that opensolaris doesn't support
[20:39:23] <kaiwai> Triskelios: saw it at dicksmiths today, had a $99 'mail in' coupon thingy
[20:39:32] <kaiwai> http://www.acer.com.au/gemstone/default.html
[20:39:43] <e^ipi_> sparcdr: the recent drop didn't include the mobile chips?
[20:39:48] <sparcdr> older gen thinkpad t30 works flawlessly, but note power mgmt is not done being implemented, and bluetooth compatibility is not there, on all laptops
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[20:39:53] <kaiwai> thats what it looks like - I was scheptical at first given that normally AMD ones use broadcom wireless
[20:39:54] <sparcdr> not all of them
[20:39:57] <sparcdr> dont take the chance
[20:40:03] <sparcdr> yep
[20:40:09] <sparcdr> mini-pci is preferred
[20:40:10] <Pedro1> ok
[20:40:19] <kaiwai> Pedro1: the only downside, its built like a tank
[20:40:22] <sparcdr> even if it comes with one you can burn the one that comes with it :D
[20:40:32] <sparcdr> with mpi that is
[20:40:34] <sparcdr> now i go
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[20:40:45] <Pedro1> kaiwai, which one?
[20:40:49] <Pedro1> asus or acer?
[20:40:52] <kaiwai> acer
[20:41:01] <Pedro1> which model is it
[20:41:04] <kaiwai> never tried an asus; I do remember the barebones kits a while back
[20:41:21] <kaiwai> Pedro1: depends on the store, you'd need to go in and see them
[20:41:45] <Pedro1> it is all confusing
[20:41:59] <Pedro1> put this way: intel +nvidia +atheros work--no matter what?
[20:42:16] <Pedro1> how abt widescreen
[20:42:30] <kaiwai> yeap
[20:42:43] <kaiwai> atheros has the bonus of supporting WPA out of the box too
[20:42:44] <WickedWicky> I use widescreen on my nvidia GPU driven laptop
[20:42:57] <kaiwai> and well supported in *BSD, OpenSolaris, Linux, Windows etc. etc.
[20:43:04] <FireflyST> does or doesn't the Intel driver support WPA?
[20:43:25] <kaiwai> nope
[20:43:32] <kaiwai> doesn't support it, only WEP :(
[20:43:40] <flyingparchment> i like my intel 2915abg, but i understand the newer ones have some driver issues in some places
[20:43:45] <FireflyST> no
[20:43:48] <FireflyST> 3945
[20:44:06] <kaiwai> apparently it is 'work in progress'
[20:44:07] <FireflyST> I was told 3945 works with WPA2
[20:44:24] <Triskelios> the wpi driver doesn't support WPA yet
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[20:45:46] <kaiwai> I'm surrounded by ludites where I live, so I feel safe with WEP
[20:46:28] <Triskelios> I don't even bother with encryption
[20:47:21] <Triskelios> uh oh, this usb enclosure started buzzing
[20:47:47] <FireflyST> smoke & fire
[20:48:06] <FireflyST> big nasty flames
[20:48:06] <e^ipi> don't let the magic smoke out
[20:48:55] <Triskelios> oh, looks like the fan just got some fibres caught in it
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[20:55:16] <Triskelios> ack, I have an fssnap driver loaded along with fssnap_if... guess it changed recently in ON
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[21:00:18] <CIA-25> markfen: 6601982 ipsecconf(1m) may ignore errors in configuration file
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[21:01:39] <Triskelios> I'm going to do this backup offline
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[21:12:34] <coffman> wpa is quite okay, wep is up in smoke
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[21:17:32] <cmihai> WPA-2 Personal (or Enterprise) with AES is good enough for most home users. WEP takes about 2 minutes to crack now ;-0
[21:20:26] <coffman> cmihai: under 2 minutes
[21:20:45] <coffman> even wpa with tkip is good
[21:21:13] <kaiwai> true, but there isn't much one can do if the driver doesn't support wpa
[21:21:15] <Pedro1> what is wpa?
[21:21:56] <Stric> wifi protected access
[21:22:00] <coffman> i was at a con last week where some of the guys of the "ptw" crack for wep did a speech about
[21:22:20] <cmihai> coffman, yeah. My router can do both for example, AES and TKIP.
[21:22:37] <cmihai> (double encryption). Not really worth it, but it doesn't hurt either.
[21:23:08] <coffman> cmihai: tkip uses rc4 for encryption like wep. but it uses it in another (safer) way
[21:23:18] <coffman> cmihai: aes is better ofc
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[21:24:03] <cmihai> The problem with WEP wasn't the encryption.
[21:24:06] <cmihai> It was the IVs
[21:24:46] <cmihai> It gives away the intialization vectors in plain text
[21:25:22] <cmihai> Once you have a collition, you're set.
[21:26:14] <cmihai> Since they're only 24 bit, get a lot of stations and traffic, and that's that. Get something like aireplay in the mix...
[21:26:27] <e^ipi> my router is stupid. If I enable WPA it gets confused and occasionally miscalculates checksums or something, sees it as an attack attempt, and the shuts down for 60 seconds
[21:27:28] <cmihai> e^ipi, can you get dd-wrt/openwrt or something on it? :-)
[21:27:29] <e^ipi> it could also just be OSX being retarded, I dunno. it's a real possibility
[21:27:56] <e^ipi> cmihai: nah, it's not the right kind of router
[21:28:27] <e^ipi> I think i'm just going to get a wireless-N router whenever those are around
[21:30:16] <cmihai> You mean 802.11 Draft N?
[21:30:36] <e^ipi> yes
[21:31:04] <cmihai> There's a bunch around already.
[21:31:17] <e^ipi> i think apple sells one, but hell if i'm going to spend $200 on a wireless router
[21:32:33] <axisys> how do I call a command with libumem preload and mdb that needs to be can only be called from another supervisor program?
[21:33:02] <axisys> http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/solaris_10_top_11_20 this only is possible when calling the cmd directly
[21:33:30] <Stric> axisys: wrapper script?
[21:33:43] <axisys> Stric: yes .. a perl script
[21:33:53] <axisys> Stric: let me paste the script .. one sec
[21:35:01] <axisys> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708333
[21:35:18] <axisys> I am interested to debug the ncserver process
[21:35:28] <axisys> which is leaking memory
[21:35:43] <axisys> but i cannot call it directly .. it complains
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[21:36:30] <axisys> ncstart at line 19 calls the ncserver
[21:36:31] <Stric> so modify ncstart?
[21:38:37] <axisys> Stric: ncstart is a 500 line perl script where I see it uses the `system()' function to call ncserver
[21:39:05] <axisys> Stric: let me see if i can make a copy of nctsart .. make change and call that instead
[21:39:09] <axisys> heh
[21:39:11] <Stric> axisys: so put $ENV{LD_PRELOAD}="blah" right before
[21:39:33] <axisys> Stric: ahh
[21:39:47] <axisys> Stric: simpler than what I am thinking
[21:40:02] <axisys> Stric: but then how do I call the ncserver from mdb?
[21:40:16] <coffman> cmihai: the flaw is also not the encryption it self, its how it is implementet
[21:40:18] <axisys> i wonder if i can run two copy of the process
[21:41:48] <Stric> axisys: can't mdb attach to a running process too?
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[21:41:54] <cmihai> coffman, yeah, as I've said, it's weak initialization vectors (and in plain text).
[21:42:05] <axisys> Stric: thats an idea
[21:42:17] <cmihai> coffman, the attackers collect IV's and once they find a conflict, the encryption is compromised.
[21:43:08] <cmihai> And since the pool of IVs is limited (24 bit), and are sent with every packet... there's bound to be conflicts. Add something like aireplay that makes them send a lot more packets, or more complex methods and the WEP is toast
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[21:46:59] <axisys> Stric: thnx for the hint..
[21:47:09] <Stric> np
[21:47:23] <axisys> Stric: ldd /opt/OSInc/bin/ncserver | grep mem
[21:47:27] <axisys> Stric:  libumem.so =>    /usr/lib/libumem.so
[21:47:32] <axisys> Stric: eehaa!!
[21:52:27] <axisys> ld.so.1: ncserver: fatal: libxerces-c.so.25: open failed: No such file or directory inside mdb
[21:52:32] <axisys> when I try to ::run
[21:52:45] <axisys> how do I run this inside the mdb
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[21:53:05] <axisys> source /opt/OSInc/userfiles/ncenv.sh
[21:53:32] <axisys> without sourcing this file those libraries will be missing
[21:53:57] <axisys> what is the mdb trick to source an env.sh file?
[21:55:14] <Stric> sourcing it before
[21:55:24] <axisys> Stric: ok
[21:58:56] <Pedro1> gurus
[21:58:59] <Pedro1> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sx/systems/views/all_laptops_certified.mfg.page1.html
[21:59:06] <axisys> mdb: fork1 detected: follow (p)arent or (c)hild?
[21:59:07] <Pedro1> can I buy any laptop listed there
[21:59:13] <Pedro1> for opensolaris
[21:59:13] <axisys> Stric: mdb: fork1 detected: follow (p)arent or (c)hild?
[21:59:21] <axisys> Stric: what do i pick ?
[22:03:33] <axisys> what is this telling me http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708383
[22:04:04] <kaiwai> hmm, kill them both and sell the house
[22:05:22] <axisys> i ran the audit but i am not sure how to interpret the result
[22:05:57] <axisys> anyone here done audit using libumem can suggest something?
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[22:11:52] <Stric> axisys: seems like ncserver is daemonizing.. see if there's an option not to
[22:11:56] <Stric> or follow the child
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[22:23:13] <axisys> Stric: can u explain what this means http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/708383
[22:23:24] <axisys> Stric: still a newbie there
[22:27:24] <jbk> ahh.. looks like c++ in there
[22:28:17] <jbk> just means so far, those two allocations haven't been free'd
[22:28:29] <jbk> since they seem to be related to initalization, might not mean anything
[22:28:58] <jbk> even stuff in libc i believe will do a malloc on first invocation, and keep it around for the lifetime of the process
[22:29:10] <jbk> of course it's only done once
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[22:39:07] <flyingparchment> can i store auto_home &c in LDAP?
[22:39:50] <delewis> yes
[22:40:38] <flyingparchment> and can i use the automounter in a zone?
[22:40:44] <delewis> sure
[22:40:59] <flyingparchment> the nfs client works there now?
[22:41:05] <delewis> always has.
[22:41:06] <g4lt-sb100> but for th love of god, please do it right, as I've sen the horrid results of doing it wrong, so wrong
[22:41:18] <delewis> the NFS server has never worked in a zone.
[22:41:25] <flyingparchment> ah, maybe that's what i'm thinking of
[22:42:36] * flyingparchment wonders if nis or ldap makes more sense for a new deployment
[22:43:06] <iron_angel> ldap, by far.
[22:43:13] <iron_angel> NIS has many ickinesses.
[22:44:01] <quasi> nis should be dead and gone ages ago
[22:44:17] <flyingparchment> is there a nicer way to manage users in ldap than ldif?
[22:44:24] <Pedro1> nfs server doesn't work in zone
[22:44:27] <Pedro1> has it ever worked?
[22:44:36] <iron_angel> flyingparchment: not really - but there are tons of frontends.
[22:44:39] <Pedro1> flying, yes
[22:44:44] <Pedro1> use ldap account manager
[22:44:49] <quasi> flyingparchment: there's plenty of gui tools for ldap
[22:44:53] <iron_angel> There's Debian Linux's ldapuseradd, which is alright and not Linux-specific.
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[22:45:04] <iron_angel> I hacked it to include support for Kerberos.
[22:45:05] <flyingparchment> hmm, okay.
[22:45:33] <quasi> flyingparchment: http://directory.apache.org/studio/download/download.cgi/directory/studio/stable/1.0.1 if you want guiness
[22:45:56] <Pedro1> lam.sourceforge.net
[22:45:59] <Pedro1> it is cool
[22:46:07] <Pedro1> it can support sshPublicKey
[22:46:12] <Pedro1> lpk schema, etc
[22:46:53] <iron_angel> my biggest catch was using GSSAPI to authenticate to the directory for changes, but if you're not doing that many tools will work.
[22:51:01] <flyingparchment> hm.  so is sun directory server a reasonable ldap server?  (i used openldap in the past, and wasn't too fond of it)
[22:51:32] <delewis> flyingparchment: it's the defacto LDAP server still.
[22:51:41] <flyingparchment> which, sun ds or openldap?
[22:51:49] <delewis> flyingparchment: Sun One DS.
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[22:54:05] <flyingparchment> okay.
[22:54:37] <flyingparchment> i guess tonight i'll be deploying ldap on my test box
[22:55:28] <Pedro1> on opensolaris?
[22:55:32] <Pedro1> it is easy, anyway
[22:55:34] <flyingparchment> solaris 10
[22:55:39] <Pedro1> oh
[22:59:32] <trygvis> speaking of ldap servers, have anyone tried opends?
[22:59:35] <trygvis> https://opends.dev.java.net/
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[23:01:30] <trygvis> I wonder how it will compare to sun one ds
[23:01:46] <jbk> i've looked at it
[23:02:17] <trygvis> any good?
[23:02:19] <jbk> i think it has potential.. seems a lot cleaner than the redhat ds code i looked at (which should at least give some idea of what the current sun ds code looks like -- same ancestry)
[23:02:28] <trygvis> ready for prime time?
[23:02:46] <jbk> still incomplete, and admin is cli only at this point, but pretty damn easy to setup :)
[23:03:20] <jbk> for basic stuff, i think you'd be ok.. if you want more advanced features, might be another issue
[23:03:29] <flyingparchment> is it actually written in java?
[23:03:42] <jbk> yes
[23:03:57] <jbk> but still uses berkeley db for the backend
[23:04:00] <flyingparchment> but not a pile of slow crud like most java that comes from sun? :)
[23:04:19] <iron_angel> most non-GUI java stuff is fairly decently fast.
[23:04:50] <flyingparchment> yeah, but not always.  (one word: smpatch)
[23:04:51] <jbk> they haven't posted any numbers, but keep hinting that it's a _lot_ faster than sun one ldap
[23:05:36] <jbk> flyingparchment: last time i looked at it (granted it was a few years ago), a lot of it was brain dead jvm bugs
[23:05:39] <jbk> (smpatch)
[23:05:41] <iron_angel> ok, true enough, smpatch is slow, but I'd always figured that was doing something dain-bramaged over the wire.
[23:05:52] <jbk> but haven't looked recently
[23:06:06] <jbk> there was for a very long time, a bug with the i/o libraries
[23:06:07] <flyingparchment> anyway, i do actually quite like java on the server, but i've seen it done badly more than a few times :)
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[23:06:28] <jbk> basically almost all file i/o was done a byte at a time
[23:06:41] <jbk> fixed with 1.5 and i think certain versions of 1.4.2
[23:07:08] <jbk> but prior to that, if you trussed any java app doing i/o you'd see lots of read(fd, addr, 1) calls
[23:07:31] <jbk> which of course is going to kill your performance
[23:07:36] <jbk> but also
[23:07:44] <jbk> no language is going to stop someone from writing bad code :)
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[23:08:41] <jbk> just like the old saying 'a fortran programmer can write fortran in any language', inefficient code can be written in any language
[23:09:52] <oninoshiko> and for any reasonably complex program, they are poorly reimplementing lisp.
[23:09:52] * flyingparchment looks at smpatch analyze, forsees long night of patching
[23:12:03] <jbk> flyingparchment: could always try to dtrace it :)
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[23:17:15] <jbk> hey Gman
[23:17:22] <Gman> hey jbk
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[23:18:04] <jbk> hmm.. 3 weeks to the conference..
[23:18:17] <jbk> i wonder if anyone's considered transportation to/from the school from the hotels
[23:18:31] <jbk> looks to be a few miles away
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[23:31:50] <Gman> jbk, i believe so
[23:32:02] <Gman> though i don't know the details, jesse was thinking about hiring some buses
[23:32:56] <jbk> ahh ok
[23:34:17] <jbk> i'm looking forward to this
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[23:35:31] <WickedWhisky> gotta love having tomorrow off
[23:35:44] <jbk> holiday?
[23:36:00] * PerterB raises a glass to WickedWhisky, I don't work Mondays either (at least until the end of this contract)
[23:36:10] <WickedWhisky> naw, we have 37 hour work weeks, we work 40 (or more)
[23:36:17] <WickedWhisky> so once in the two weeks you get a day off
[23:36:31] <jbk> nice
[23:36:45] <jbk> energy company?
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[23:36:50] <WickedWhisky> telco
[23:36:57] * jbk faints
[23:37:04] <jbk> in the US or elsewhere?
[23:37:08] <WickedWhisky> NL
[23:37:11] <jbk> ahh ok
[23:37:17] * WickedWhisky is 100% dutchie
[23:37:18] <PerterB> got to love that EU work time directive
[23:37:26] <jbk> you'd definately not get that in a US telco
[23:37:28] <WickedWhisky> it's a necesaty really
[23:37:38] <WickedWhisky> they have to cut on 8000 employees organization wide still
[23:37:47] <jbk> they still have the attidute 'you should be greatful you get any holidays, and are only allowed to leave work because we allow it'
[23:37:50] <WickedWhisky> so letting ppl work 37 hours instead of 40 is a nice start
[23:38:22] <WickedWhisky> I didnt take any holidays this year yet.. but I will be going to Brazil (kinda my second home) in dezember
[23:38:26] <WickedWhisky> december too
[23:39:22] <jbk> that is the nice thing about this job, i have as many vacation days to start with as i had after 8 years of working at my last job (large telco in the US)
[23:39:33] <jbk> plus more holidays
[23:40:20] <WickedWhisky> holidays are always good
[23:40:35] <jbk> columbus day, veterans day, plus a couple personal days (not counted in vacation days)
[23:40:36] <WickedWhisky> xcept when you have a habbit of not being able to let your work go
[23:40:37] <WickedWhisky> *cof*
[23:41:05] <PerterB> the contract I am about to take comes with the condition "we expect you to take at least 10 days holiday so the books balance" (over 6 months)
[23:41:12] <jbk> i never had that issue, my big problem was my last employer didn't respect its employees or their personal time
[23:41:22] <flyingparchment> did something change on sunsolve?  i can see CRs
[23:41:33] <jbk> felt that you worked for them 24/7 and could make you work at any time, even when on vacation
[23:42:01] <jbk> i was still getting calls even after i quit :)
[23:42:02] <WickedWhisky> it's not like that where I work, there is a lot of pressure cause we have systematic FTEs short
[23:42:22] <WickedWhisky> and you do get calls in your free time (hey they can try) but you always have the choice of switching your work-provided phone off
[23:42:49] <jbk> see, they didn't care.. they'd just start escalating up the mgmt chain
[23:43:07] <WickedWhisky> what happens more often is coworkers forgetting the concept of timezones and they call you at 9am GMT+2 while you're in Toronto :P
[23:43:10] <jbk> and either try calling your home #, or otherwise you were in for a headache when you came in the next business day
[23:43:22] <jbk> haha
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[23:44:06] <jbk> the other nice thing about this job, is it is international, so there are sysadmins in north america, london, glasgow, and singapore
[23:44:16] <jbk> so you tend to not get called as much after hours
[23:44:23] <WickedWhisky> sometimes I wish I could go back to London
[23:44:35] <WickedWhisky> I wanna go abroad again in general
[23:45:06] <WickedWhisky> I've lived for a year in London/UK and Curitiba/Rio de Janeiro... was a nice experience for someone who only had the age of 19 :P
[23:45:24] <jbk> well it's at least a bit easier in europe to see other cultures and such
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[23:45:59] <WickedWhisky> true, brazil was cause I had a brazilian girlfriend and I fell in love with that country when I first went there
[23:46:18] <WickedWhisky> so when I was made redundant in the UK I went for a year to brazil
[23:46:35] <kaiwai> HMM
[23:46:41] <kaiwai> brizilian
[23:46:44] <WickedWhisky> sim sim
[23:47:55] <jbk> europeans sometimes don't realize how large the US is.. and how far you have to go to really see something 'foreign'
[23:48:12] <WickedWhisky> I've only been to JFK airport
[23:48:23] <WickedWhisky> I'd looooooove to see New York and L.A
[23:48:28] <PerterB> yeah, but at least we can usually find it on a map ;)
[23:48:38] <WickedWhisky> New York for the Prada/Gucci and L.A. for the clubbing
[23:48:41] <jbk> :)
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[23:49:11] <jbk> well you'd definately want to fly for that :)
[23:49:26] <delewis> PerterB: seen this, yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE
[23:49:26] <kaiwai> jbk: true; but then again, the average US tends to stay in the US - going 'out of state' is a 'big thing'
[23:49:27] <PerterB> And I did Toronto->NYC->San Francisco by bus, so I have some appreciation for how bloody big it is
[23:49:50] <jbk> going out of state isn't that big a deal
[23:49:52] <jbk> going out of the country is
[23:50:11] <jbk> because you can drive for over 24 hours non-stop and still be in the US
[23:50:19] <flyingparchment> in 2004, 1.4% of US residents didn't realise you could leave the country
[23:50:25] <kaiwai> lol
[23:50:39] <kaiwai> +90% don't have passports
[23:51:06] <PerterB> delewis: I hadn't.... go Whoopi!
[23:51:25] <delewis> PerterB: it's jaw-droppingly sad.
[23:51:37] <PerterB> yes
[23:51:41] <jbk> kaiwai: yeah, because it's not like europe
[23:51:48] <jbk> where you can drive for a few hours and be in another country
[23:51:57] <flyingparchment> if i drove for a few hours i'd be in the sea
[23:52:00] <kaiwai> true, assuming I was in europe :P
[23:52:01] <jbk> (of course they don't need passports in most cases going around europe)
[23:52:30] <jbk> where i used to live, you could literally pick any direction, drive 24 hours non-stop (at 100+ kph)
[23:52:33] <delewis> this person has been hired to offer an opinion on a television show, yet, she doesn't have the amount of critical thinking required to wonder if the world is flat or not?
[23:52:34] <jbk> and never leave the country
[23:53:19] <kaiwai> delewis: there are christians in the US who believe dinosaur bones have been put there by satan to confuse believers
[23:53:30] <PerterB> delewis: you forget, the rest of the World is no longer surprised by that shit, not since they started putting disclaimers in student texts that evolution is "just one theory"
[23:53:37] <delewis> kaiwai: haven't heard that one, but it really doesn't surprise me. :-)
[23:53:55] <jbk> they're fun to mess with :)
[23:54:19] <kaiwai> delewis: we have religious nuts in NZ, but they number in the 0.7% zone
[23:54:32] <delewis> then again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KGwQ1O88Y
[23:54:37] <PerterB> kaiwai: and presumably don't set public policy?
[23:54:41] <flyingparchment> remember, 0.7% is nearly 1 in every 100 people
[23:54:43] <jbk> they're not a majority in the US either, they're just a lot louder than most
[23:54:49] <kaiwai> they're fun to watch; every time they try to merge, create a party, they split up over 'differences'
[23:54:57] <delewis> "Just confirmed: The Mandella Foundation confirms that Mandalla is, indeed, alive."
[23:55:21] <kaiwai> jbk: interesting how bush won the second term off the three G's
[23:55:31] <jbk> barely
[23:56:02] <delewis> if you actually think the US still has democratic elections, you're sadly mistaken. :-)
[23:56:03] <kaiwai> mind you, when you have a crooked system, its difficult to win - same number of senators no matter how big the state is - for example
[23:56:27] <delewis> the sad fact is citizens in the US do not have a choice who gets elected, let alone who actually can run or not within the election.
[23:56:32] <jbk> well originally, the sentae was supposed to represent the interests of the states, the representatives of the people directly
[23:56:59] <delewis> we have what's called a party system, and that party is free to nominate anyone they like to run. It is necessary to have this nomination, because you, alone, do not have the money required to run for election without them.
[23:57:19] <kaiwai> delewis: hence I prefer the good old parliamentry system :)
[23:57:29] <delewis> and though, these parties hold 'primaries' where members of the party can vote on who to nominate, they leaders of that party can still choose someone to nominate even if the vote says otherwise.
[23:57:54] <delewis> and that's not even getting into this thing we have called the 'electoral college'
[23:57:57] <WickedWhisky> you could do like our system, you need an X amount of seats to form the parlimaint, you never get those seats so you're forced to ally with 2 other parties
[23:58:02] <WickedWhisky> and BAM, noone will ever agree
[23:58:14] <kaiwai> WickedWhisky: we've had a stable MMP system so far
[23:58:30] <delewis> (basically, an electorate that's part of your electoral college interprets the number of votes for that region and places his vote. This electorate is free to cast the vote for the other candidiate even if the number of votes says otherwise)
[23:58:32] <kaiwai> centre left without many problems - throw in a christian party for extra fun on occasions
[23:58:35] <WickedWhisky> praise yourself lucky that you dont have Harry Potter as prime minister and his clowns
[23:58:56] <kaiwai> WickedWhisky: we have Helen Clarke
[23:59:04] <delewis> the electoral college was specified in the constitution as a safe guard to prevent the uneducated masses from making a questionable presidential choice.
[23:59:38] <kaiwai> delewis: but a moron still got through though
[23:59:46] <flyingparchment> voting is a stupid idea anyway, people are idiots
[23:59:53] <PerterB> who elects the electoral college?
[23:59:57] <delewis> kaiwai: the candidate's intelligence has nothing to do with it.





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