[00:01:31] <wesolows> I am waiting for them to forget that I start fires
[00:01:37] <wesolows> hmm, ww
[00:01:58] <eboutilier> BTW, speaking of spam loads... check this out
[00:02:10] <eboutilier> grep '^Sep 20.*postfix.smtp.*NOQUEUE: reject' /var/log/syslog | wc -l
[00:02:17] <eboutilier> 51310
[00:03:02] <eboutilier> NOQUEUE reject means postfix rejected the message before even handing off to spamassassin
[00:04:21] <eboutilier> About 1/second average
[00:06:34] <CIA-25> eota: PSARC 2007/402 Driver Periodic Timeouts, 4977787 Official DDI interface is required for periodic timeout requests
[00:06:36] <CIA-25> rscott: 6604545 bfu spits out error message when going from matrix-gate to onnv archives
[00:07:09] <wesolows> too bad our mailer is not equipped to send back a high-voltage spike when rejecting spam
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[00:07:53] <hile_> holy shit eboutilier - that's a lot of spam
[00:08:31] <bda> Heh.
[00:09:31] <bda> We reject 125k/hr outright. I haven't looked to see how many messages our spam system catches recently, but it's uh, most.
[00:10:19] <alanc> the Sun corporate mail filters supposedly dump over 95% of Sun's incoming mail outright as pure spam
[00:10:26] <sommerfeld> we'
[00:10:26] <eboutilier> bda: Do you use postfix? What do you have maxproc set to for smtpd?
[00:10:36] <sommerfeld> we're well past the time where a death penalty for spamming should have been enacted.
[00:11:15] <bda> eboutilier: Yes. On most of the MXes, it's 300. Other its 100-200, depending on what they can handle.
[00:11:23] <bda> Our hardware is slowly becoming standardized but at the moment...
[00:13:14] <eboutilier> bda: We've been playing with that setting on ours... I've been monitoring things after turning on spamd, and smtpd processes seem to top out at about 150
[00:13:19] <SYS64738> hi
[00:13:21] <bda> We have a .. very customizable antispam system, but first hit causes the message to be discarded.
[00:13:30] <bda> eboutilier: We don't use SpamAssassin. It's way too heavy.
[00:13:50] <SYS64738> I would like to remove the blastwave pkgs that I previously installed in the zone  ?
[00:13:51] <eboutilier> Actually, I should say process owned by the postfix users top out at about 150
[00:13:57] <bda> "discarded" = sent to the quarantine system.
[00:14:00] <SYS64738> without ?
[00:14:16] <eboutilier> bda: And that first hit is handeld by postfix, correct?
[00:14:36] <tomww> eboutilier: hi eric
[00:14:41] <bda> eboutilier: Maybe, maybe not. The settings are all set by the user.
[00:14:47] <eboutilier> s/postfix users/postfix user/
[00:14:51] <bda> Our standard settings are pretty conservative.
[00:14:54] <eboutilier> Hi tomww
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[00:15:20] <bda> Though Cloudmark is now included in that check, and is, iirc, the first post-data check.
[00:15:26] <bda> And CMAE is pretty damn fast.
[00:16:17] <eboutilier> spamassassin is heavy in memory consumption, is what you're referring to, right?
[00:16:45] <bda> Yeah, though ime it's also slow.
[00:16:48] <tomww> eboutilier: I'm thinking of submitting SFE to a un-conference session (cec)
[00:17:01] <bda> We use it on our mailing list side.
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[00:17:17] <bda> Once we have CMAE2 and categorization in place, SA will go away.
[00:17:51] <eboutilier> I know what you mean about slow. Scanning a message generally takes around 5 seconds, I think.
[00:18:08] * eboutilier googles cmae2
[00:18:15] <bda> eboutilier: http://www.cloudmark.com/
[00:18:20] <bda> You know Vipul's Razor?
[00:18:22] <eboutilier> thx
[00:18:36] <eboutilier> Sort of, it's a plugin that I haven't enabled for spamassassin yet.
[00:18:40] <bda> Vipul is co-founder. CMAE is their server-side anti-spam stuff. It's not cheap. :)
[00:18:55] <bda> Razor3 is a freeish version of CMAE, iirc. No idea what it status is.
[00:19:07] <bda> CMAE and Razor are entirely fingerprint based.
[00:19:30] <bda> So you get antivirus, antiphish, along with your antispam.
[00:19:45] <bda> It's absolutely been worth the cost for us.
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[00:20:15] <eboutilier> Here's the spamassassin page about razor:
[00:20:15] <eboutilier> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/UsingRazor
[00:20:44] <eboutilier> bda: Big company you work for I presume
[00:20:49] <bda> Nope.
[00:20:56] <bda> Seven people including myself.
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[00:21:00] <bda> We've been around since '95, though.
[00:21:11] <eboutilier> Yet your mailserver gets that much spam?
[00:21:18] <bda> eboutilier: We're in the mail forwarding biz. :)
[00:21:33] <eboutilier> Heh. That makes sense then.
[00:22:10] <sommerfeld> you don't have to be big to get tons of spam.  you just need to have been around since the dawn of the internet.
[00:22:23] <bda> Or have an aggressive sales dept.
[00:22:37] <bda> Marketing people are spam magnets.
[00:22:40] <richlowe> or to have utterly misconfigured your MTA at least once.
[00:22:43] <sommerfeld> (paul vixie sometimes posts indications of how much spam his personal mailserver is rejecting.  it's frightening)
[00:22:44] <bda> Ha.
[00:23:04] <eboutilier> sommerfeld: You mean if I still had my uunet!etc e-mail address it'd get lots of spam? ;-)
[00:23:35] <richlowe> the question is, would UUCP spam violate the do-not-call list bits...
[00:23:37] <bda> The funny thing is you reach a point of saturation where as you add nodes you just aren't handling valid mail there. They're spam traps.
[00:23:45] <bda> If I was smarter and had the math, I could figure out what that number is.
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[00:25:52] <eboutilier> tomww: I thought you already did (cec sfe submission)
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[00:26:21] <tomww> eboutilier: yes, but this official submission got rejected.
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[00:26:27] <eboutilier> Is CEC still held in Colorado?
[00:26:44] <eboutilier> tomww: They didn't understand it perhaps?
[00:26:57] <tomww> Las Vegas, where it should be never dark around the clock
[00:27:10] <tomww> eboutilier: I think they didn't :-)
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[00:28:13] <eboutilier> Long flight from germany! Did you go last year too?
[00:29:03] <tomww> yes :-) but I managed last year to stay healty (get a cold on the plain is easy enough)
[00:30:18] <eboutilier> Hope they give you time to have some fun, The outdoor bar to the right of Harrah's at happy hour time is my recommendation
[00:30:27] <tomww> the crazy thing is the next interesting conference (the indiana one) is hold only a few days after, and I don't see a chance to stay longer
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[00:31:27] <jbk> evening
[00:31:35] <richlowe> eboutilier: got a moment?
[00:32:14] <tomww> but there is light at the end of the tunnel, today I browsed through the cec sessions and discoverd a session with one topic about compiling open source on solaris. I already have an answer from the speaker...he looks into SFE
[00:32:18] <eboutilier> Too bad, I've decided to pass on that one. The only other "SFE'ers" I know of that are going is Doug, but that's it.
[00:32:41] <tomww> Doug the top-committer
[00:32:51] <tomww> (almost)
[00:33:04] <tomww> good to know, I'll poke him
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[00:33:39] <eboutilier> Yes, that Doug. I pinged Moinak and Laca and they're unable to go.
[00:33:56] <eboutilier> richlowe: Sure, what's up?
[00:34:03] <richlowe> eboutilier: see msg.
[00:34:05] <richlowe> since it maybe verbose.
[00:34:18] <eboutilier> whoops... thanks
[00:34:37] <Gman> eboutilier, to cec? i'm going :)
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[00:36:31] <eboutilier> Gman: Should have counted you as an SFEer indeed!
[00:36:49] <Gman> it's been a while since i did any real work there though admittedly; )
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[00:37:32] <tomww> at leas one spec-file tags one as a SFEer :-)
[00:39:53] <tomww> the interesting thing with SFE is, we could make a show-case how multiple packages could be configured by a configuration-layer. e.g. apache+scripting+database+webapplication - configured all in one configuration-recipe with user-interaction
[00:40:42] <tomww> ... to fill the gap, stephen hahns blog entry didn't fill (remove scripting for configuration, but what comes in place to do the work)
[00:41:08] <coffman> hey
[00:41:24] <Gman> pkg splits out basic package management from actual package creation
[00:41:39] <Gman> the thought is that everyone has their own build system, let them use it
[00:41:50] <coffman> can some one pls kick some ass for that: http://onetruth.blogsome.com/2007/09/19/solaris-express-not-working-on-non-sse-x86-machines/ ?
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[00:43:02] <tomww> I read the available writings as, reduce package-scripting at install-time as much as possible, not the initial package-creation tasks.
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[00:49:12] <rasputni1> jmcp: thanks for your help earlier - turned out to be a bad cable like you said
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[00:49:40] <Pietro_S> what are you talking about? package system for indiana?
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[00:51:13] <jmcp> rasputni1: cool, glad I could help
[00:51:18] <tomww> Pietro_S: hi
[00:51:19] <jmcp> glad it wasn't a gibc either!
[00:51:22] <jmcp> gbic
[00:52:41] <rasputni1> jmcp : yeah, me too :)
[00:52:56] <Pietro_S> hello, at least for a while until bed will catch me finally (0:51am)
[00:53:27] <tomww> Pietro_S: http://blogs.sun.com/sch/
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[01:05:21] <Pietro_S> well, I think that scripts in packages are true evil (at least from experiences wiith packaging AFS - first scripts saved me, then when upgrading AFS version I noticed that I should used more comments and on next version I made it script free and with this state I'm happy)
[01:05:35] <palowoda> coffman: I'd consider it a feature. :)
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[01:10:14] <Pietro_S> but I'm not very happy with spec file syntax, using (%files section gives me nightmares(
[01:10:36] <tomww> Pietro_S: true. If you think of a stack of different packages, forming a real application. the developer of the packaging has no good chance to offer a working stack if verything is limited to the single package.
[01:11:13] <tomww> to configure such a stack, a configuration-recipes covering all the involved packages would help much
[01:11:40] <tomww> Pietro_S: +1, but hey, keeps you on the ground (hopefully) (I'm kidding)
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[01:14:58] <Pietro_S> well - such stacks should have separate entity to package
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[01:16:27] <tomww> yes, with packages beeing simple and stable within a release-cycle of e.g. the OS-minor-version
[01:17:36] <Pietro_S> and that stacks can have some bounded scripting aviable
[01:17:37] <tomww> then you can write configuration-recipes on top of them (e.g. typo3 in one straigt-through flow)
[01:18:42] <tomww> you wrote about your packaging for AFS. I had the same for mpd/icecast/... where install-scripts would be huge, complicated and still not what the individual-user needs.
[01:18:57] <axisys> anyone here use QFS?
[01:19:02] <flyingparchment> axisys: yes
[01:19:07] <axisys> looks like oracle rac wants qfs
[01:19:25] <axisys> flyingparchment: is it reliable? never ever used it in my life
[01:19:30] <tomww> so, makeing packages as simple as possible, and put the rest into separate framework, enabling cross-package configuration+scripting
[01:19:32] <flyingparchment> axisys: yes
[01:19:40] <axisys> only ufs and now zfs is what I use
[01:20:04] <tomww> Pietro_S: time for bed in my Timezone :-) night_all
[01:20:15] <flyingparchment> axisys: i run mysql on it, works great
[01:20:41] <Pietro_S> tomww: good night (also for me)
[01:20:58] <axisys> how easy to take backup of qfs?
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[01:21:39] <axisys> can I take snapshot like zfs?
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[01:28:47] <axisys> can oracle rac with solaris cluster can be installed on ZFS ?
[01:28:51] <Stric> Is there any way of listing the id of a currently active pool?
[01:29:12] <Stric> (for use with zpool import, but I want to be sure to get the right one.. with scripting)
[01:29:16] <holcomb> usermod should support changing a person's default project
[01:29:47] <jmcp> Stric: what do you mean by "id" ?
[01:30:23] <Stric> jmcp: when you want to import a pool, you can either give the name or an id (quite long number) which is listed..
[01:30:28] <Stric>   pool: data
[01:30:29] <Stric>     id: 10740952675494665934
[01:30:31] <Stric> for instance..
[01:30:32] <jmcp> oh, right
[01:30:34] <jmcp> duh
[01:30:37] <jmcp> still too early for me
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[01:31:15] <sommerfeld> Stric: fstyp -v on a device in the pool lists  a bunch of numbers. i'm willing to bet that the pool_guid is the number you're looking for
[01:31:16] <Stric> anyhow, my main purpose is that I want to create a zpool in jumpstart and it should actually be enabled after reboot too
[01:31:48] <Stric> with zpool create -R /a blah bleh   it won't get started after reboot.. I have to import it..
[01:32:05] <Stric> and I want to be sure I'm trying to import the right one, not something that happened to be on some connected disk..
[01:32:50] <jmcp> how many pools will you have post-install?
[01:33:07] <jmcp> zpool import will import whatever it can find, and activate it - as far as I understand
[01:33:10] <Stric> I'll create one.. but there might be random crap on the disks
[01:33:25] <Stric> (on other disks connected)
[01:33:26] <flyingparchment> axisys: there are no snapshots
[01:33:35] <flyingparchment> axisys: you can make backups with 'qfsdump' (works like ufsdump)
[01:33:42] <jmcp> Stric: if there's no pool info available, zpool won't import it
[01:33:50] <jmcp> pool info on a disk
[01:34:28] <sommerfeld> Stric: after creating the pool, run fstyp -v on one disk in the pool and save the pool_guid.  i believe that's the id you need to import.
[01:35:07] <Stric> it does list that, yes.
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[01:36:41] <Stric> interesting stuff is happening.. I create a pool.. export it.. then chroot into /a (newly installed sys, not the nfsroot).. if I zpool import it there, all is fine in there.. but I can't export it in there..
[01:36:54] <Stric> if I leave the chroot, I can't access the data, but I can list and export the pool again ;)
[01:38:08] <sommerfeld> Stric: probably safer to defer the import until you reboot on the real root.
[01:39:09] <Stric> Then I think I need to patch /lib/svc/method/fs-local
[01:39:54] <flyingparchment> axisys: only downside to QFS is it's very expensive - hopefully it'll be open source/free soon..
[01:40:09] <FireflyST> Anyone here using OSS with a STAC9228 codec?
[01:40:12] <Stric> http://pastebin.ca/705272 <- this could work ;)
[01:42:24] <Stric> combined with a temporary fs from profile to find out which disk&slice to use..
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[01:43:34] <Stric> combined with http://pastebin.ca/705280 that is..
[01:43:40] <Stric> it's ugly, but this should work..
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[01:46:44] <Stric> or does anyone have a better suggestion for creating zpools in jumpstart (sparc)?
[01:49:12] <jamesd_> wont it have a fixed partition?  shouldn't be a need to search for it
[01:49:36] <nrubsig> Is Nicolas Williams around ?
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[01:51:06] <Stric> jamesd_: this is for jumpstarting random computers.. some servers, some workstations..
[01:51:17] <FireflyST> 4but only random ones
[01:51:34] <FireflyST> jamesd_: ONLY random ones
[01:51:45] <Stric> pff :P
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[01:54:01] <jamesd_> its not exactly rocket science unless you have want to install core bits of the OS on it.. i would just put it off till the jumpstart is completed.
[01:55:22] <Stric> currently, I just want to replace some ufs's with zfs.. and it's stuff that's currently being filled during jumpstart..
[01:55:33] <Stric> so the easiest thing for me is to do it early in the jumpstart ;)
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[01:56:37] <pitty> anyone have good documentation on configuring shared memory via resource pools for solaris 10 ?
[01:58:08] <jamesd_> docs.sun.com  or  brendan greg's   zone guide
[01:58:26] <jamesd_> er  two g's
[01:59:59] <jmcp> two g's
[02:00:06] <pitty> this can be used with databases right? or is better to use the /etc/system method?
[02:00:22] <pitty> any personal recommendations ?
[02:01:24] <jbk> well using projects + rctls has better granularity
[02:01:29] <jbk> however, are you using oracle rac?
[02:01:38] <pitty> no, this was for sybase
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[02:02:36] <jbk> oh then you can create a project and set the resources there.. however there is a bug (which I can't remember if it's been fixed) where using projects can be an issue if multiple processes try to enter the project at the same time
[02:02:47] <jbk> causes problems for ha clusters
[02:03:16] <jamesd_> dba's at my work think that sybase only runs on solaris 8...
[02:03:34] <jbk> but if that's been fixed, i liked the project based method better
[02:03:46] <jbk> since you can limit it to the sybase user (in this case)
[02:03:49] <jmcp> jamesd_: perhaps the version that they're running is only certified for s8
[02:04:04] <jamesd_> quite possible.. i hear its old...
[02:04:05] <pitty> ah, i see,  its probably better to use the /etc/system way then
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[02:05:12] <pitty> jamesd_: i think we are using sybase iq on x4600s
[02:05:54] <jamesd_> were using  fujitsu prime power.... 250's to 850's
[02:06:03] <Tempt> pitty: Are you doing Oracle here?
[02:06:16] <Tempt> Oh, hang on Sybase.
[02:06:17] <pitty> no, we are a pure sybase shop
[02:06:33] <Tempt> I'll give you a cut/paste of a sample line from /etc/project for Oracle, just tune it to suit
[02:06:44] <Tempt> user.oracle:100::oracle::project.max-sem-ids=(priv,100,deny);project.max-sem-nsems=(priv,256,deny);project.max-shm-ids=(priv,100,deny);project.max-shm-memory=(privileged,8294967296,deny)
[02:06:51] <SYS64738>  the samp pkg work!  wow my first working zone!
[02:07:09] <pitty> thanks Tempt
[02:07:10] <jbk> heh.. my sunsolve account still works
[02:08:21] <pitty> so how do i activate once tweaked
[02:08:33] <pitty> is there any svc cmd?
[02:08:40] <jbk> the bug i was thinking of is 6194864
[02:09:27] <jbk> now the question is.. has the fix been backported to s10..
[02:09:49] <jbk> and it has
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[02:10:01] <Tempt> Hey, that sounds like a suitable IRC game.. "I'm thinking of a bug"...
[02:10:45] <jbk> so then it's not a problem if you're using 120473-09 or later (sparc) or 120037-19 or later (x86) -- dunno how those translate into updates (or rather which KJP's are in which update)
[02:10:49] <jbk> haha
[02:11:02] <jbk> what's sad is i still know some of the KJP numbers
[02:11:18] <jbk> less for s10 as they seem to 'rejuvinate' every few months and change the number
[02:11:25] <jbk> but 108528-XX for s8
[02:11:34] <jbk> etc
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[02:13:30] <Stric> jbk: and still manage to get huge "kernel patches" which include apache source etc..
[02:13:48] <Stric> which is just plain silly.. that's not kernel related in any way
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[02:17:23] <jbk> yeah.. perhaps one of the things that will come from the packaging discussion (whatever the end solution is) will fix that (or rather make it less likely)
[02:18:23] <Stric> I seem to recall some mysql crap being in the kernel patches too.. or have I been dreaming?
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[02:22:51] <jbk> dunno... since i changed jobs, i mostly deal with linux now.. and the current place tends to be very conservative on patching (basically only serious security alerts)
[02:24:16] <elektronkind> well that's no fun
[02:24:36] <hile_> how goes, electronkind?
[02:25:13] <hile_> I am conservative about patching Soalris boxes, not so much with loonix boxes since you really can't be.
[02:25:17] <elektronkind> hey man. busy. spent this week spec'ing storage for a new peoplesoft installation
[02:25:29] <elektronkind> I'm 80% done on the afs stuff too
[02:25:32] <hile_> cool.
[02:25:36] <jbk> ick peoplesoft
[02:25:42] <hile_> what are you patching against, 1.4.4 ?
[02:25:49] <hile_> or against HEAD?
[02:25:51] <jbk> it was the straw that finally made me quit my old job :)
[02:25:54] <elektronkind> I posted my worker thread code to the -devel list and so far no one's provided feedback :/
[02:26:14] <jamesd_> elektronkind, just do what we do... just multiply the storage allocation by 4..  a few months after deploying...
[02:26:14] <hile_> i ain't got enough kl00 to do so :)
[02:26:51] <elektronkind> hile_: 1.4.4 so people running stable can get up and running quick, but I'll make patches against HEAD to keep the gatekeepers from getting uppity
[02:27:10] <hile_> ok cool.
[02:27:42] <hile_> I've also got to apply your ZFS patch finally
[02:27:47] <elektronkind> http://elektronkind.org/outbox/afs/osi_net.c
[02:28:09] <elektronkind> yeah, no more force attaches eh? ;)
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[02:29:38] * jamesd_ wonders if someone put in an RFE to make  zfs send/recv  recursive  and also transfer attributes such as mountpoint, ...
[02:29:57] <elektronkind> it should also transfer kittens
[02:30:15] <hile_> I still say that they should call it zfs spit and zfs swallow
[02:30:29] <jmcp> hile_: that was my idea!
[02:30:38] <hile_> I thought it was Keith?
[02:30:47] <SYS64738> good night
[02:30:55] <jamesd_> if i want to transfer a complete zpool  to another location creating new raidz vdevs  in the processs.. should be simple
[02:30:56] <elektronkind> "Oh no! Our ZFS NFS server went from suck to blow!"
[02:33:20] <wesolows> I may have thought of that while drunk and/or high, but I don't remember it.  Probably it was jmcp.
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[02:34:08] <wesolows> The recursive thing I think is being actively worked on.
[02:34:24] <wesolows> Presumably that covers attributes, but I'm not sure of the details.
[02:34:44] * hile_ used to get mail from his boss at like 0230 "your BAC is about %f" followed by a paste of "failed login for hile" messages from syslog
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[02:37:21] * jamesd_ sends those types of email out to our users, if they have more than 3 failed logins on a system.. though they dont mention blood alchol level...
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[02:38:03] <richlowe> dduvall: see mail.
[02:38:15] <richlowe> dduvall: but I could probably use your more direct input on the matter.
[02:38:22] <jmcp> wesolows: check the archives for psarc 2006/185
[02:40:14] <wesolows> jmcp: Proven, and closed.
[02:40:24] <elektronkind> Dear user, you appear to have a high percentage of FAIL
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[02:42:00] <jmcp> wesolows: a dubious honour :-)
[02:42:09] <wesolows> jmcp: given the response, I agree
[02:42:43] <elektronkind> reading fark/somethingawful too much :)
[02:44:23] <nrubsig> Does Sun have something like an i18n code review board or something like that ?
[02:44:52] <wesolows> There's a UIRB
[02:44:57] <wesolows> But that's not i18n per se
[02:45:03] <nrubsig> wesolows: "UIR B"=?
[02:45:16] <wesolows> UI review board
[02:45:22] <nrubsig> umpf
[02:45:33] <richlowe> what would you want i18n review to do?
[02:45:37] <richlowe> that isn't covered by normal code review.
[02:45:38] <nrubsig> It appears I found a serious design bug in SMF... ;-(
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[02:46:16] <wesolows> Generally the ARC will tell you if you haven't adequately considered i18n, but of course they don't review the nitty details of your implementation.  Your code reviewers should point out likely trouble spots/regressions in i18n.
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[02:46:42] <wesolows> I agree with dep's assessment of it, and don't understand the problem you have with it.
[02:46:59] <wesolows> What are we missing?
[02:47:06] <nrubsig> wesolows: "dep"=?
[02:47:13] <wesolows> david e powell
[02:48:00] <wesolows> If there's a real bug here it should be extremely easy to trigger it and provide a test case.
[02:48:14] <nrubsig> wesolows: You can't inject an UTF-8 encoding sequence in a Shift-JIS or GB18030-encoded multibyte character sequence. As result the thing is no longer readable by anything which wants to read at the charatcer level.
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[02:49:24] <nrubsig> wesolows: e.g. <shiftjis_text><utf8-text><shiftjis-text> won't work.
[02:49:37] <nrubsig> wesolows: and it appears that svcprop is exacly doing that.
[02:50:16] <nrubsig> wesolows: the stuf needs to be in one encoding all the time.
[02:50:21] <nrubsig> s/stuf/stuff/
[02:50:59] <wesolows> I suppose I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't understand why this matters.  Are you saying that a property may have text from multiple different encodings in a single value?  That would seem to be a bug in whatever set those values.
[02:51:16] <nrubsig> erm... no.
[02:51:31] <richlowe> I think he's meaning interpolation into the shell.
[02:51:36] <richlowe> or other such thing.
[02:51:56] <nrubsig> wesolows: I am saying that if the user which runs svcprop runs in a ja_JP.PCK locale then outputing a string encoded in UTF-8 won't work.
[02:52:33] <wesolows> I see.  But dep's contention was that the more important use case is not display but rather consistency with e.g., svccfg.
[02:52:37] <nrubsig> wesolows: you may get away with taht by accident if the shell just passes the values around and don't touch them (e.g. parsing in any way)
[02:52:38] <wesolows> And I agree.
[02:53:45] <nrubsig> wesolows: erm... which consistency ? The shell cannot handle the encoding and will not accept the value. The string will be cut at the point where the invalid character encoding sequence is encountered.
[02:54:07] <wesolows> But isn't it clear that svcprop -p mumble/foo outputs a UTF-8 string if the property type is ustring?  That's how the interface is defined to work.  If you want to display that in some other locale, you would need to translate it.
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[02:54:18] <richlowe> You're yet to mention where the shell would see the value.
[02:54:21] <sparcdr> hile_, I'm back :)
[02:54:22] <richlowe> unless explicitly asked to.
[02:54:25] <richlowe> at which point, as keith said...
[02:54:26] <nrubsig> e.g. instead of "The euro symbol ('?') is a currency") will be "The euro symbol ('"
[02:54:32] <sparcdr> er sorry hi
[02:54:35] <sparcdr> not hile :)
[02:55:21] <nrubsig> wesolows: it's not about displying it. the translation of |mbtowc()| will fail within the shell. game over.
[02:55:31] 
[02:55:55] <sparcdr> hey richlowe, alanc :)
[02:57:01] <g4lt-sb100> nrubsig, so you're saying that a character that's not reserved and typable via a standard sun keyboard will cause a shell to error out?!
[02:57:17] <nrubsig> groan
[02:57:18] <nrubsig> no
[02:57:21] <sparcdr> brb
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[02:57:36] <nrubsig> g4lt-sb100: it is not keyboard-related, it's encoding related.
[02:58:11] <g4lt-sb100> remember, the sun country kits started with the type4
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[03:00:56] <wesolows> Are you saying that if I do x="$(svcprop ...)" then the value of x will be wrong?  That would indeed be problematic, I suppose.
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[03:01:38] <wesolows> It doesn't matter whether its *interpretation* is wrong in the current locale, only that it have the correct sequence of bytes.
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[03:01:42] <jmcp> elektronkind: hi - with that afs patch, why do you jump off to CE_PANIC so quickly in the while loop?
[03:02:30] <nrubsig> wesolows: x="$(svcprop ...)" # may work. If you do a $ echo ${x:1:1} # to print the first character the shell will likely bite you.
[03:02:48] <wesolows> That's ok.
[03:02:55] <nrubsig> ?!
[03:02:56] <nrubsig> why ?
[03:03:04] <nrubsig> I said _may_ work.
[03:03:08] <wesolows> If I'm asking the shell to operate on the value, and my locale is not compatible with UTF8, I deserve to lose.
[03:03:46] <nrubsig> wesolows: we#re talking about something which will fail for any other variable operation than "assign".
[03:03:47] <wesolows> If I'm just asking the shell to capture, store, and pass the value on to some command or into some pipe, and *that* won't work, we may indeed have a problem.
[03:03:48] <iron_angel> How much CPU load does zfs+nfs4+samba put on a machine if it's being accessed occasionally? I'm wondering if I could reasonably use a Blade 2000 as both a desktop and a storage server at the same time.
[03:04:32] <dlg> its hard for cpus to go slower than disks
[03:04:33] <wesolows> Yes, I understand that.  And I think that's ok, because you're asking the shell to treat a string you KNOW to contain UTF8 as if it were encoded in some other way (namely, whatever your current locale settings suggest).
[03:04:48] <nrubsig> wesolows: maybe I wasn't clear: If you use _any_ operation which needs to work at the character level you'll loose.
[03:05:00] <wesolows> As dep has just replied.
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[03:05:35] <iron_angel> dlg: yeah, this is true, but my concern was more about nfs/zfs overhead making the system slow for desktop stuff.
[03:05:54] <wesolows> I agree.  I understand.  And I think that's fine.  The bug is in treating something you KNOW to be UTF8 as if it were something else.  That's the bug.  You can introduce bugs like that in C, too, but using (for example) strcmp to compare strings of different encodings.
[03:06:03] <wesolows> The bug is not in svcprop.
[03:07:23] <wesolows> Or by doing char c = *str, where str may point to some multibyte thing.
[03:07:24] <dlg> iron_angel: i think you'll notice io going slow rather than the cpu being used
[03:08:10] * iron_angel nods. "Ok, that does sound rather more likely, true."
[03:08:19] <iron_angel> Shouldn't be *that* much of a problem, then.
[03:10:30] <elektronkind> jmcp: that's a placeholder at the moment. For what I can, I'm going to try to institute some "sane" defaults
[03:11:06] <elektronkind> ever hitting those CE_PANICs would be quite the rarity though
[03:11:39] * elektronkind just gnashes his teeth and wonder why there's no stable api in kernel-land for getting network interface info
[03:11:56] <elektronkind> of all the things I would have expected to be in there... but oh well
[03:12:15] <elektronkind> I suppose being stingy on the interfaces is a good thing in some ways
[03:17:04] <elektronkind> I'm just learning the rope wrt kernel programming so I'm taking it step by step
[03:17:39] <jmcp> cool
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[03:19:34] <elektronkind> I really like taskq's now
[03:19:42] <elektronkind> I'm using one to kick that thread off
[03:20:52] <jmcp> yup, noticed that - glad to see it there. ditto for using delay()
[03:21:20] <elektronkind> using Public where I can :)
[03:21:54] <axisys> flyingparchment: wait! it is not free? it does not come with solaris 10 ?
[03:22:03] <axisys> flyingparchment: the qfs that is
[03:22:15] <elektronkind> right now the one Private thing in there is ddi_name_to_major() .. it was the only obious and q&d way for me to get a dev_t to feed to ldi_ident_from_major()
[03:22:39] <jmcp> yeah
[03:22:46] <jmcp> I think you're on reasonably safe ground with that one
[03:22:47] <elektronkind> In my hunting through the man pages I must have missed a public way of getting one
[03:23:11] <elektronkind> I reasoned the same
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[03:24:53] <hile_> ls
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[03:25:55] <elektronkind> jmcp: thanks for the feedback :)
[03:26:42] <elektronkind> on review, I probably should move drv_usectohz to just before the delay() call in case some enterprising individual changes the poll rate via mdb ;)
[03:26:57] <jmcp> elektronkind: you're welcome, and yes you probably should
[03:27:03] <jmcp> not that it's likely .... but you never know
[03:27:51] <elektronkind> never put anything past the type of wacky people who use afs ;)
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[03:28:36] <hile_> Ok stupid question...
[03:28:39] <nrubsig> wesolows: the fun is: whoever designed this wanted to avoid a "dataloss" problem... and now has exactly this problem... =:-)
[03:28:55] <jmcp> hile_: don't make me quote Mr Garrison at you
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[03:30:18] <elektronkind> what's up hile_?
[03:32:19] <hile_> in struct passwd pwd { char * pw_name } is there some definition somewhere which specifies how long a username may be?
[03:32:39] <hile_> i use 9 (8+NUL) as a matter of convention
[03:32:58] <iron_angel> IIRC it can be longer than that, but I don't recall how much longer.
[03:33:14] <elektronkind> there's probably some #define for it
[03:33:27] <jmcp> I looked by didn't see anything relevant
[03:33:29] <jmcp> yay cscope
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[03:35:20] <elektronkind> nscd code might provide a hint
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[03:37:04] <jbk> hmm
[03:37:05] <jbk> limits.h
[03:37:21] <jbk> LOGNAME_MAX
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[03:38:01] <jbk> my guess is most of the stuff probably doesn't care (just copies the pointer, however long it is)
[03:38:14] <jbk> if they do anything length-related
[03:38:30] <elektronkind> it's set to 8... no null probably
[03:38:52] <jbk> yeah, it's actualyl deifned as # of characters, so that would probably exclude NLL
[03:40:46] <elektronkind> huh, though  symbol search through the code shows a lot of LOGNAME_MAX+1's
[03:41:37] <axisys> anyone knows if oracle rac can be run with solaris cluster on zfs env?
[03:42:29] <elektronkind> why would you use sun cluster with RAC?
[03:44:12] <elektronkind> ah, I'm thinking Grid
[03:47:34] <jbk> well CRS is crap
[03:47:41] <jbk> that'd be one reason to use solaris cluster :)
[03:47:54] <jbk> but no, you cannot access a zfs pool simultaneously on multiple systems
[03:48:06] <jbk> probably better off using ASM
[03:48:25] <jbk> just research your ASM patchlevels :)
[03:58:10] <axisys> jbk: keep forgetting that you are the oracle expert..
[03:58:17] <axisys> jbk: what is CRS ? sorry for my ignorance
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[03:59:11] <sparcdr> :o
[03:59:14] <axisys> jbk: also I can use oracle rac + asm + sol custer?
[03:59:23] <axisys> cluster that is
[03:59:40] <sparcdr> yes axisys
[03:59:54] <sparcdr> It's a first class citizen on Solaris (Oracle)
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[04:00:06] <sparcdr> not sure about Sun Cluster + Oracle tbh
[04:00:40] <tek-ops> hey, quick question, does opensolaris have xfs support?  fresh out of the box?
[04:00:44] <jmcp> suncluster in all it's forms has been pretty damned good with Oracle since 1.x
[04:00:48] <jmcp> tek-ops: no
[04:00:49] <sparcdr> my lil opensolaris portable's in good shape now, almost everything is working
[04:00:54] <jmcp> unless you're talking about the X font server
[04:01:01] <sparcdr> jcmp: okay thanks for that
[04:01:02] <tek-ops> jmcp can it be built in?
[04:01:10] <tek-ops> no xfs the sgi file system
[04:01:17] <sparcdr> not needed
[04:01:23] <jmcp> I'm sure some misguided person has tried porting it
[04:01:24] <tek-ops> I have a file server thats pretty loaded up
[04:01:25] <sparcdr> Solaris UFS is plenty fast, and ZFS is lightning fast
[04:01:44] <sparcdr> Sun owns StorageTek, they know how to tune for disk io
[04:01:55] <jmcp> ... and tape
[04:02:01] <tek-ops> i was going to juggle disk space, but then realized that I may not be able to read the xfs disks when migrating the data to a zfs file system
[04:02:11] <sparcdr> well, yeah, 500tb tape library :D
[04:02:24] <sparcdr> tek: set a middleman machine to transfer it
[04:02:31] <jbk> i believe oracle rac + sun cluster is certified
[04:02:36] <tek-ops> no spare disks
[04:02:40] <tek-ops> well
[04:02:42] <sparcdr> Coming from IRIX, Linux xfs sucks for reliability.
[04:02:45] <tek-ops> that aren't sata
[04:02:48] <jmcp> "is that room you've got there?" "no, that's the second tape silo. the other one is that building over there"
[04:02:56] <jbk> i don't know which methods (asm, qfs, etc) are supported though for storing the data
[04:03:09] <tek-ops> hmm...
[04:03:11] <sparcdr> tek-opts: tapes or a few runs around with an external disk?
[04:03:12] <jbk> oracle of course wants you to use nothing but CRS
[04:03:23] * jmcp wanders out
[04:03:32] <jbk> crs == cluster ready services -- oracle's attempt at clustering
[04:03:34] <tek-ops> well they're hardware raided
[04:03:37] <sparcdr> :o
[04:03:48] <jbk> it will interoperate (on certain platforms) with vendor clusterware (i.e. sun cluster)
[04:03:52] <sparcdr> tek-opts: I meant transfer to a 500gb usb 2.0 disk
[04:03:53] <kaiwai> sparcdr: UFS is ok, ZFS was really speedy when I last tried it
[04:03:56] <sparcdr> maybe a few trips
[04:04:02] <tek-ops> ahhh
[04:04:19] <sparcdr> kaiwai, ZFS root on GA issue
[04:04:42] <tek-ops> anyone have any success with hot-plugging sata support?
[04:04:44] <sparcdr> in production unless you're joyant, best using regular GA, but that's just me
[04:04:57] <axisys> jbk: so how do you backup terabytes of data ? asm can do it ?
[04:05:01] <sparcdr> noyb, sorry
[04:05:02] <tek-ops> GA?
[04:05:04] <sparcdr> *no
[04:05:13] <sparcdr> general availability aka stable aka release
[04:05:18] <tek-ops> gotcha
[04:05:37] <jbk> no, you use... having a brainfart -- oracle's backup utility to spool it to either a regular filesystem or tape
[04:05:47] <sparcdr> sun calls it GA, Wyatt Gale handles release notifcations and Sun's beta connection and it's always called GA
[04:05:49] <jbk> rman
[04:06:03] <sparcdr> brb
[04:06:08] <tek-ops> we just got an HP in for testing as a potential replacement for our database servers, not by my choice, the vender literally shipped it and then informed us
[04:06:09] <tek-ops> anyways
[04:06:38] <kaiwai> tek-ops: going to run solaris?
[04:06:41] <tek-ops> it has an LSI SAS card for internal disks, I'm guessing that is supported in opensolaris for hot-plugging
[04:06:43] <tek-ops> kaiwai, I wish
[04:06:50] <tek-ops> at the last company i would say definitely
[04:06:51] <kaiwai> oh, Windows
[04:06:54] <tek-ops> this one is all linux
[04:06:56] <tek-ops> no no no
[04:06:58] <kaiwai> ewww
[04:07:02] <sparcdr> eh
[04:07:04] <tek-ops> kill me, I'd rather be homeless than use windows
[04:07:04] <kaiwai> dear god, what the fuck is it with companies and linux
[04:07:18] <tek-ops> well in all fairnes
[04:07:21] <tek-ops> fairness*
[04:07:24] <sparcdr> kaiwai, popularity and ignorance
[04:07:28] <axisys> jbk: ok oracle rac + sol cluster + asm  and use rman to backup
[04:07:37] <tek-ops> they, thank god, switch to linux very early on
[04:07:39] <axisys> jbk: is that how yours laid out?
[04:07:43] <tek-ops> and it was a HUGE undertaking
[04:07:50] <tek-ops> from windows that is
[04:07:57] <kaiwai> sparcdr: the only reason why Linux took off was because it was a cheap/free UNIX clone that was better than Windows - now that Solaris is cheap/free, where is Linux's advantages?
[04:08:03] <sparcdr> more or less, yes, if you are dependent on something
[04:08:04] <jbk> well the last installation i did (peoplesoft), it was veritas cluster (corporate standard), not sun cluster unforunately
[04:08:14] <sparcdr> kaiwai, driver support still, but yeah
[04:08:16] <richlowe> kaiwai: mindshare, commonality, corporate standardization on a platform.
[04:08:19] <sparcdr> pizza's done
[04:08:43] <sparcdr> haha corporate standardization, standards meh
[04:08:43] <sparcdr> big lawls
[04:08:50] <axisys> jbk: cool
[04:08:53] <tek-ops> and between the EMC support contracts and sun hardware support contracts for a few of their image processing servers, they just have a bitter taste in their mouth
[04:09:41] <kaiwai> so linux appears to be better?
[04:09:46] <tek-ops> dont get me wrong, I'd love to span ZFS across the devices on the fiber channel switches
[04:10:00] <tek-ops> we dont use suse or redhat, so yes
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[04:10:18] <kaiwai> tek-ops: what will be used?
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[04:10:31] <tek-ops> kaiwai, which distro?
[04:10:36] <kaiwai> yeap
[04:10:37] <kaiwai> which distro
[04:10:39] <tek-ops> ubuntu lts
[04:10:57] <kaiwai> interesting
[04:10:58] <tek-ops> support until 2010
[04:11:11] <kaiwai> so the bar isn't set very high when it comes to support
[04:11:11] <tek-ops> I know sun is all about backwards compatibility
[04:11:18] <tek-ops> you dont have to make the case to me
[04:11:37] <tek-ops> we're a LAMP company
[04:11:40] <sparcdr> eh
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[04:11:44] <sparcdr> AMPS > god
[04:11:46] <kaiwai> ewww
[04:11:52] <tek-ops> are our developers work with all the open source projects we use
[04:12:27] <sparcdr> licensing issues, unresponsive developers, lack of organization, no technical merits, I've hopped from Linux to FreeBSD to Solaris myself
[04:12:35] <tek-ops> either way, i'm not in a position to make these calls
[04:12:38] <sparcdr> I do both open-source and commercial software development
[04:12:47] <victori_> sparcdr: ditto
[04:12:48] <sparcdr> tek-opt: they need to be educated
[04:12:53] <jbk> i'd love to get this group i deal with at work to switch to solaris, but they're already behind on their deadline, even tough it'd be a godsend to have dtrace to help with their issues
[04:12:58] <tek-ops> so my open solaris usaged is kept to home project for now
[04:13:24] <tek-ops> well seeing as I started mid-migration from mandriva to ubuntu, I never had the chance
[04:13:26] <sparcdr> tek-ops: you are the IT guy, push them a bit
[04:13:34] <tek-ops> hah
[04:13:35] <sparcdr> both of those are dumbed down distros
[04:13:40] <tek-ops> i'm not THE IT guy
[04:13:43] <kaiwai> or taser them until they accept :)
[04:13:45] <tek-ops> an one SA
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[04:13:47] <sparcdr> sounded like you were
[04:13:48] <tek-ops> not the only ;)
[04:13:51] <tek-ops> not at all
[04:13:59] <tek-ops> heres the issue
[04:14:02] <sparcdr> show the merits with test case by showing productivity gains from Solaris-only tools
[04:14:05] <tek-ops> its UNIX, not Linux
[04:14:18] <sparcdr> tek-ops: sorry, linux is not unix
[04:14:21] <tek-ops> thus there are differences in debugging issues on the SA's behalf
[04:14:26] <sparcdr> like calling a cow a steak
[04:14:28] <tek-ops> sparcdr
[04:14:33] <tek-ops> solaris is UNIX, not Linux
[04:14:51] <sparcdr> right making sure you werent saying linux was, it never will be
[04:15:21] <tek-ops> you can relax on that speach, i know, i've done plenty of solaris and bsd SA work, thanks
[04:15:22] <sparcdr> novell could push the issue, they are the true owner of UNIX trademark, but that's meaningless when licensing and certification is a different group
[04:15:23] <tek-ops> anyways
[04:15:28] <tek-ops> this is a linux house
[04:15:52] <tek-ops> its as easy to migrate a linux how to unix, as it is to migrate a windows house to linux or unix
[04:15:52] <sparcdr> same here, well BSD and Linux, and Linux is terrible to manage.  even with cruddy sysv packages I have so many gains
[04:15:53] <sparcdr> bbl
[04:16:04] <kaiwai> BSD is nice compared to linux
[04:16:08] <tek-ops> anyways
[04:16:11] <sparcdr> uh it's easy to migrate from linux to solaris
[04:16:12] <rbrown_> linux is fast
[04:16:15] <sparcdr> and from linux ot freebsd
[04:16:16] <sparcdr> *to
[04:16:16] <rbrown_> which is why we use it
[04:16:21] <rbrown_> and its pretty rock solid
[04:16:22] <sparcdr> i did a contract to just do that recently
[04:16:25] <tek-ops> the server has a SAS controller for internal drives
[04:16:26] <rbrown_> 2.6 atleast
[04:16:41] <sparcdr> eh rock solid if 3rd party everything and no LSB panning out sure
[04:16:49] <sparcdr> the kernel itself is generally reliable
[04:16:58] <sparcdr> but as a whole package it's a bad situation
[04:17:05] <tek-ops> I'm thinking this is a reasonable alternative to waiting for sata hot-plug support in opensolaris
[04:17:13] <tek-ops> i'm looking for peoples thoughts on this
[04:17:32] <kaiwai> scsi?
[04:17:50] <tek-ops> SAS = Serial Attached SCSI
[04:17:57] <tek-ops> but the drives are more like SATA
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[04:18:23] <tek-ops> in fact, external SAS drive shelves are just SATA disks
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[04:18:35] <tek-ops> I'm curious if that's the same for internal SAS disks
[04:18:45] <tek-ops> it has the 15k 2.5 drives
[04:19:05] <tek-ops> the same ones Sun puts in many of it's servers
[04:19:10] <tek-ops> say the T2000 for instance
[04:19:29] <palowoda> There was a zfs poormans hotplug arc case sometime back in april if I remember.
[04:19:59] <tek-ops> and since they're hot-plugable and since theres VERY minimal sata-hotplug support I'm curious if this is what Sun uses for its controllers
[04:20:13] <palowoda> marvell based
[04:20:30] <tek-ops> palowoda, those cards are hard to come by
[04:20:45] <tek-ops> I've personally dealt with LSI SAS controllers in solaris 10
[04:20:48] <palowoda> Heck Sun is an OEM.
[04:21:14] <tek-ops> yes, but as a home hobbyist at this point, i dont really have the budget for sun hardware ;)
[04:21:28] <tek-ops> as much as I would love to, i cant afford it
[04:21:35] <palowoda> I didn't make up the rules.
[04:21:40] <tek-ops> believe me, i'd LOVE a T2000 at home :D
[04:22:03] <palowoda> Oh crap my dinner is burning.
[04:22:08] <jbk> hmm
[04:22:15] <jbk> this csyle error is annoying
[04:22:22] <jbk> there seems to be no 'good' way to fix it
[04:22:38] <tek-ops> I REALLY wish this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118011) card was supported in OpenSolaris :D
[04:25:06] <tek-ops> though I'm actually eager that this one might be: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118058
[04:25:20] <tek-ops> especially concidering mentions being MPT
[04:25:29] <sparcdr> tek-ops: i bought an ultra-20 it's cheap
[04:25:47] <sparcdr> you fit it with 3rd party storage is all
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[04:26:31] <tek-ops> sparcdr, I built a core 2 duo system specifically for xVM
[04:26:51] <tek-ops> I'd like to hard a ZFS shared with NFSv4 to the domU's
[04:27:10] <tek-ops> living in NYC makes you watch your power consumption ;)
[04:28:49] <tek-ops> this one is really growing on me http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118087
[04:29:39] <tek-ops> however, my thought is, I'd rather use raidz than hardware raid....
[04:30:19] <tek-ops> anyone?
[04:31:20] <dlg> tek-ops: that first card should be supported in solaris just fine
[04:33:05] <tek-ops> the Fusion-MPT one?
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[04:33:42] <dlg> LSI LOGIC PCI SATA MegaRAID 150-6
[04:35:01] <tek-ops> really?!
[04:35:08] <tek-ops> oh shit
[04:35:11] <dlg> lsimega should cope with it
[04:35:12] <tek-ops> I posted the wrong one
[04:35:24] <tek-ops> that one was pci-e 64bit
[04:35:29] <tek-ops> i only have pci-x slots
[04:35:40] <dlg> the megaraid 150-6 is pce-x
[04:35:44] <dlg> pci
[04:36:22] <tek-ops> only the SAS cards that i  post (the last two) are pci-x, the first one was pci-e
[04:37:00] <dlg> im confused
[04:37:07] <dlg> [12:22:38] <tek-ops> I REALLY wish this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118011) card was supported in OpenSolaris :D
[04:37:10] <dlg> [12:25:06] <tek-ops> though I'm actually eager that this one might be: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118058
[04:37:13] <dlg> those are the two urls you pasted
[04:37:29] <tek-ops> yea that first one is pci-e
[04:37:39] <dlg> no, the first one is pci-x
[04:37:47] <tek-ops> oh der
[04:37:54] <tek-ops> i need pci-e
[04:37:59] <tek-ops> i'm not a hardware person
[04:38:02] <dlg> ok
[04:38:03] * tek-ops slaps forehead
[04:38:18] <tek-ops> my bad
[04:38:19] <dlg> the second one is supportable using the mpt driver
[04:38:24] <dlg> and its pci-e
[04:38:28] <tek-ops> yea, that's what i mean
[04:38:31] <dlg> you can also get 8 port variants
[04:38:48] <tek-ops> but can i bypass the hardware raid and just let ZFS handle the hardware
[04:38:50] <tek-ops> ?
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[04:39:07] <dlg> the fusion-mpt boards are hbas, not raid controllers
[04:39:25] <dlg> the sometimes have raid 0 and 1 functionality, but you do not have to use it
[04:39:30] <tek-ops> oh wow, where do you see that
[04:39:46] <tek-ops> oh hahaha
[04:39:49] <tek-ops> in the highlights
[04:39:56] <dlg> i dunno, ive just dealt with them for a long time
[04:40:03] <tek-ops> i appologize, i've been sick for a week, but too busy to take a sick day
[04:40:13] <dlg> tis ok
[04:40:22] <tek-ops> :)
[04:40:28] <tek-ops> i'm soooo pumped right now
[04:40:45] <tek-ops> my file server/xen box may finally be usable for my original intensions :D
[04:41:15] <dlg> congrats
[04:41:28] <jmcp> tek-ops: if the firmware on that card shows up as  "IR" then it has integrated raid support. it's not mandatory to use it though
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[04:42:03] <tek-ops> I read a comment about a gripe with the shipped firmware
[04:42:10] <tek-ops> hmm... wonder where i can find a floppy drive
[04:42:22] <dlg> you can flash it in solaris iirc
[04:42:33] <elektronkind>  raidctl
[04:42:35] <tek-ops> nice nice
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[04:43:03] <elektronkind> which really should be called mptctl
[04:43:10] <elektronkind> or mptadm
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[04:43:19] <elektronkind> something not "raidctl" imop
[04:43:24] <elektronkind> s/p//
[04:43:27] <dlg> ive heard that raidctl can talk to aac controllers too
[04:43:34] <jmcp> elektronkind: no, it shouldn't. it's generic
[04:43:39] <jmcp> at least ... it will be shortly
[04:43:48] <elektronkind> ok, I take that back then :)
[04:43:55] <tek-ops> woah the 8 port is more than double
[04:44:12] <tek-ops> and i have 3 spare pci-e 1x slots
[04:44:29] <jmcp> I thought it was an x8 card
[04:44:30] <dlg> i dont think there's such a thing as a 1x mpt
[04:44:32] <tek-ops> actually, there of the 4-port cards is about as much as one 8port card
[04:44:43] <dlg> jmcp: i think the 1064s can come in a x4 variant, but im not sure
[04:44:53] <jmcp> ah
[04:45:15] <tek-ops> not that I really need 12 SATA disks
[04:45:33] <jmcp> of course you do :-)
[04:45:36] <tek-ops> especially concidering i have 4 500 GB drives already
[04:45:57] <tek-ops> hahaha, its just for xen disk images and my girlfriends graphic design work backups
[04:46:02] <tek-ops> well i guess mp3's too
[04:46:09] <jmcp> therefore you need many more disks
[04:46:10] * tek-ops hears the cops at the door
[04:46:13] <tek-ops> hahaha 12?!
[04:46:20] <tek-ops> 8 should saffice
[04:46:24] <tek-ops> suffice
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[04:46:52] <tek-ops> I could drop 4 750s on the second one
[04:47:12] <dlg> tek-ops: if you only have 1x slots you could be stuck
[04:47:16] <tek-ops> hmm then set it up as a raidz2, copy the data and just through the original 4x500s on it
[04:47:22] <tek-ops> how so?
[04:47:26] <tek-ops> i have two 8x as well
[04:47:29] <dlg> ah
[04:47:34] <dlg> you'll be fine then
[04:47:39] <dlg> or you can buy a lot of jmicron boards
[04:47:40] <jmcp> ah, that second url shows the x4
[04:47:46] <dlg> i hear they'll work in solaris soon
[04:47:51] <jmcp> heh :-)
[04:47:53] <tek-ops> oh you're right it is x4
[04:47:54] <jmcp> that reminds me .....
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> The PCI Express features of the LSI PCIe to SAS host adapters include:
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> ? Provides four (boards using LSISAS1064E) or eight (boards using
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> LSISAS1068E) PCI Express phys
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> ? Suppor ts a single-phy (1 lane) link transfer rate up to 2.5 Gbits/s in
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> each direction
[04:47:55] <elektronkind> ? Suppor ts x8, x4, and x1 link widths
[04:47:57] <elektronkind> oops
[04:48:03] <tek-ops> well guess i'm limited to two anyways
[04:48:18] <elektronkind> see pp 1-4 of http://www.lsi.com/documentation/storage/hbas/sas/pcie_3gsas_ug.pdf
[04:48:45] <dlg> elektronkind: what the chip can do and what is manufactured arent always the same thing
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[04:49:09] <dlg> lsi list boards that noone sells sometimes too
[04:49:14] <jmcp> the link widths refers to the SAS links iirc
[04:49:21] <elektronkind> what's manufactured is a good indication of what the chip can do though
[04:49:28] <elektronkind> ah, right. SAS lanes
[04:49:41] <elektronkind> everything has lanes now. It seems to be all the rage
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[04:50:22] <tek-ops> well i'm just glad I dont have to hold my breath anylonger for sata hot-plug support
[04:50:47] <dlg> hrm, i should fix that in openbsd
[04:50:53] <elektronkind> just keep holding your breath for port replicator support :)
[04:51:05] <tek-ops> huh?
[04:51:27] <elektronkind> replicator/multiplier
[04:51:33] <tek-ops> for what?
[04:51:36] <dlg> sas exanders > sata port multipliers
[04:52:01] <dlg> elektronkind: port multipliers also mean you cant use ncq on the disks
[04:52:10] <dlg> you better hope more spindles compensates for it
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[04:52:48] <libkeiser> just buy fibre channel :D
[04:52:49] * libkeiser ducks
[04:52:56] <elektronkind> for a home-bound disk box, I'd rather have the drives for zfs mirror than ncq
[04:53:07] <dlg> libkeiser: sas!
[04:53:12] <elektronkind> and that generally involves a port multiplier
[04:53:25] <elektronkind> eg: 2 port eSATA card with a 4-disk external box
[04:53:43] <dlg> hrm
[04:53:45] <dlg> i wonder how much they are
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[04:53:51] <elektronkind> I sure wouldn't use it in a data center
[04:54:02] <tek-ops> elektronkind, I'm just have 4 hot-plug disks in caddies
[04:54:03] <elektronkind> but for home, I can live sans ncq
[04:54:26] <tek-ops> I'll mirror the root drives, but dont mind a shut down if one of those goes
[04:54:33] <elektronkind> tek-ops: yeah, and then I'd have to find a 1x PCIe, 4 eSATA port card
[04:54:54] <elektronkind> because each drive will need its own link
[04:55:16] <tek-ops> oh, you have the external enclosures already?
[04:55:28] <theRealballchalk> how do i zip a folder with items in it using zip?
[04:55:31] <tek-ops> i'm just trying to do internal sata
[04:55:32] <elektronkind> plus most generic eSATA drive boxes, even with a four or five bay capacity, have one or two (at the most) esata ports on tem
[04:55:52] <elektronkind> internally there are port multipliers
[04:56:16] <tek-ops> i'm talking in the server case
[04:56:22] <tek-ops> not the external drive enclosure
[04:56:43] <elektronkind> ah. I could go that route, but I like my mini-ITX mobo and case
[04:56:44] <elektronkind> ;)
[04:56:54] <tek-ops> ahhhh
[04:57:04] <tek-ops> that does sound pretty cool
[04:57:18] <tek-ops> but still, won't you have hot-plug issues with eSATA?
[04:57:37] <tek-ops> or that's not your intention?
[04:57:46] <elektronkind> yeah, a mini-ITX case with an external drive box. Add solaris, run samba and NFS
[04:57:51] <Stric> theRealballchalk: zip -r blah.zip blah
[04:58:11] <elektronkind> not worried about hot plug right now
[04:58:24] <theRealballchalk> Stric: yea i know but it's weird. it's not doing it
[04:58:27] <theRealballchalk> brb
[04:58:42] <elektronkind> just maintaining a nice file server in a corner of the basement that I can turn on an forget
[04:58:46] <tek-ops> hot-plug is what i want
[04:59:31] <tek-ops> running headless... I dont really feel like having to power it off, no ilom, so I can't watch bootup
[04:59:46] <kaiwai_> whats cap-eye?
[05:00:07] <tek-ops> the although I love ASUS and all serial in post... I dont see the support for it
[05:00:19] <tek-ops> cap-eye?
[05:00:34] <kaiwai_> "Minor Flag Day: for Cap-Eye Install users"
[05:00:45] <kaiwai_> whats a cap-eye install?
[05:00:46] <elektronkind> tek-ops: you'll get over it. I don't get worried during a boot/reboot unless my ping session goes 5 or so minutes without being answered
[05:01:16] <tek-ops> yea, but they I have to steal my g/f's LCD and that's not a pretty situation
[05:01:32] <tek-ops> I've learned to never touch a designers monitor
[05:01:44] <elektronkind> kaiwai_: It's for people who build from the source and use the Install (hence the cap-eye) utility to put the compiled bits in place on a running system
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[05:02:05] <kaiwai_> ah, non-bfu way of updating I guess
[05:02:13] <elektronkind> yes
[05:02:42] <tek-ops> bfu?
[05:02:43] <elektronkind> very much by the seat of ones pants
[05:03:24] <tek-ops> anyone try to run MythTV off of an OpenSolaris box yet?
[05:03:31] * tek-ops giggles to himself
[05:03:40] <kaiwai_> bfu = blindingly fast upgrade
[05:03:57] <tek-ops> no idea
[05:04:04] <tek-ops> is this in regards to opensolaris builds?
[05:04:09] <tek-ops> we're not still using LU?
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[05:04:21] <jmcp> kaiwai_: Bonwick-Faulkner Upgrade
[05:04:33] <jmcp> tek-ops: not yet
[05:04:45] <jmcp> tek-ops: except for the capture card stuff it should work fine
[05:04:50] <TheTraxManCometh> Hi, anybody have a couple moments to help a newb?
[05:04:55] <tek-ops> I dont use a capture card
[05:04:58] <tek-ops> so perfect
[05:05:03] <jmcp> TheTraxManCometh: possibly ... depends on your question :)
[05:05:07] <tek-ops> well, i'm off, nite everyone
[05:05:12] <jmcp> gniter
[05:05:18] <tek-ops> thanks for the info
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[05:05:22] <kaiwai_> good night tek-ops
[05:05:30] <TheTraxManCometh> jmcp: Just installed and then booted and I'm stuck in a console. Where do I go from there?
[05:06:04] <jmcp> you're in a command line login?
[05:06:14] <TheTraxManCometh> Yeah
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[05:06:39] <kaiwai_> damn some americans are dumb (watching CNN)
[05:06:42] <jbk> anyone used hg + zfs clones? I haven't looked at how the metadata is stored to know if it'll cause problems if i just put each copy on a separate zfs filesystem, then clone instead of doing an hg clone
[05:06:45] <jmcp> TheTraxManCometh: what sort of install did you do?
[05:06:59] <TheTraxManCometh> Full solaris install
[05:07:18] <jmcp> you should be able to run       svcadm enable cde-login
[05:07:29] <jbk> kaiwai_: stupidity is eternal... americans are just worse at hiding it :)
[05:07:47] <kaiwai_> jbk: true, but really, Iran and Sept 11? dear god
[05:07:49] <elektronkind> our hubris clouds our judgement
[05:07:59] <kaiwai_> thats as stupid as 'Iraq and Sept 11'
[05:08:15] <elektronkind> oh no, lets not start this
[05:08:22] <jmcp> kaiwai_: stop it now
[05:08:26] <kaiwai_> ok :)
[05:08:36] * kaiwai_ gives jmcp a biscuit
[05:08:41] <jmcp> thankyou
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[05:08:51] * jmcp crumbles biscuit, pours rum over it, drinks .....
[05:08:54] * jmcp coughs
[05:08:57] <jbk> haha
[05:09:04] <jbk> speaking of which, i am out of rum...
[05:09:12] * jbk makes note to do a run to specs tomorrow
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[05:11:57] <vija1> i am new to opensolaris
[05:12:22] <vija1> i installed on my laptop, i need to install sound driver, any info on how to do it ???
[05:12:36] <kaiwai_> http://www.opensound.com
[05:12:44] <kaiwai_> please refrain from multiple question marks
[05:12:53] <vija1> sorry and thanx kalwai
[05:13:07] <jmcp> TheTraxManCometh: did that work for you?
[05:13:31] <TheTraxManCometh> No but I rebooted and it appears that the install didnt fully finish
[05:13:52] <jmcp> that's annoying
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[05:16:14] <Gekkko> The more ? the less you know.
[05:16:15] <Gekkko> :D
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[05:16:52] <kaiwai_> everytime I see multiple ? and ! I want to punch the persons lights out
[05:17:09] <vija1> sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[05:17:23] <kaiwai_> or that, multiple letters
[05:17:33] <kaiwai_> or the constant us of x such as 'thanx'
[05:17:41] <vija1> y ?
[05:17:44] <elektronkind> vija1: dont worry about kaiwai, he's easily excitable
[05:17:57] <vija1> :)
[05:18:06] <vija1> i am expecting him to say he hates emoticons now
[05:18:15] <jmcp> kaiwai_: you haven't used enough !! kthxbai!!!!!!?!?!!?!?!!
[05:19:02] * kaiwai_ shudders
[05:21:42] <kaiwai_> almost as bad as people using the term 'dude'
[05:24:01] <vija1> another question, i am trying to install graphical ftp client on open solaris, any help on how to proceed ?
[05:24:46] <kaiwai_> which one are you using?
[05:24:50] <kaiwai_> gftp?
[05:24:54] <vija1> yes
[05:25:25] <kaiwai_> should be just a matter of ./configure && gmake && gmake install
[05:25:44] <kaiwai_> making sure that /usr/sfw/bin and /usr/ccs/bin is in the $PATH
[05:25:54] <vija1> ok
[05:27:50] <kaiwai_> I hope Alanc is going to update freetype soon
[05:28:54] <elektronkind> is that still living in SFW?
[05:29:34] <jmcp> vija1: you might need to set some CFLAGS and LDFLAGS, too
[05:29:51] <jmcp> eg,   CFLAGS="-I/usr/sfw/include" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/sfw/lib"
[05:30:51] <kaiwai_> elektronkind: yeap, but it has some big bugs in which causes problems with opera
[05:30:52] <elektronkind> unless ld.so now looks in there by default now
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[05:32:42] <kaiwai_> hmm, gftp doesn't compile on solaris :(
[05:32:53] <TheTraxManCometh> Ok, what is the command to start cde?
[05:34:12] <jmcp> TheTraxManCometh: cde the environment, as distinct from JDS/Gnome ?
[05:35:28] <jmcp> if you want the environment itself, then that's a choice you make at the graphical login screen or just after your very very first login
[05:35:42] <jmcp> if you want to start the gui login thing from the command line, then try      svcadm enable cde-login
[05:36:18] <TheTraxManCometh> I got an a message saying starting desktop login on display :0 then it kicked me back to console saying suspending desktop login... if currently logged out, press [Enter] for a console login prompt.
[05:36:30] <TheTraxManCometh> Desktop Login will resome shortly after you exit console session
[05:37:36] <kaiwai_> sounds like x can't start
[05:38:16] <kaiwai_> have you changed any settings with X?
[05:38:20] <kaiwai_> whats your graphics card?
[05:38:20] <TheTraxManCometh> Nope
[05:38:38] <TheTraxManCometh> geforce 4 ti 4200
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[05:39:28] <kaiwai_> have you checked online to see whether the proprietary driver supports your gpu?
[05:39:48] <kaiwai_> a new nvidia driver has been released btw
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[05:40:23] <TheTraxManCometh> It is supported by the older one released by nvidia (one of the legacy drivers)
[05:41:16] <TheTraxManCometh> Or at least it is for linux, not sure about solaris
[05:41:41] <kaiwai_> Solaris only 'officially supports' the 'professional line' - your GPU might be too old to be supported by the driver
[05:41:48] <kaiwai_> anyway brb, reboot time.
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[05:42:13] <Gekkko> it's "legacy" now
[05:42:23] <Gekkko> GeForce 4 has been legacy for quite some time.
[05:44:02] <TheTraxManCometh> But shouldnt it still work with the nv driver?
[05:44:14] <theRealballchalk> just curious, who here has an iphone :)
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[06:24:42] <solfan_> TheTraxManCometh: I have a GForce 4, and it doesn't work for a fact
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[06:40:03] <solfan_> TheTraxManCometh: no, in fact in my case the nvidia prevented my solaris system from booting when I upgraded from 11/06 to 8/07
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[06:42:47] <kaiwai> you need to create an xorg.conf and explicitly state to use the opensource driver rather than the closed source one
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[06:51:39] <solfan_> where are the opensource drivers located?
[06:52:21] <kaiwai> already included IIRC you use the nv which is already included
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[06:55:03] <peemus> anyone up?
[06:56:20] <jmcp> ssshhhh only us lurkers
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[06:56:45] <peemus> heh, well i'm hardware shopping
[06:56:49] <Tempt> mmm
[06:56:51] <Tempt> hardware
[06:56:54] <peemus> thinking about this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128042
[06:57:01] <peemus> for a mobo
[06:57:06] <Tempt> Oh
[06:57:08] <Tempt> peecee bits
[06:57:10] <Tempt> Less fun.
[06:57:36] <peemus> ha, what did you think i was referring to?
[06:59:36] <peemus> it's relatively cheap for 6 sata3 ports and ICH8 is supported right?
[06:59:41] <kaiwai> hmm, anyone up?
[06:59:47] <kaiwai> *looks down* you could say I am
[06:59:52] <peemus> i'm up!
[07:00:30] <kaiwai> peemus: I beg ti differ, your's is swinging slightly to the right
[07:01:11] <peemus> haha, is that my right or yours?
[07:01:37] * kaiwai looks
[07:01:40] <kaiwai> your right
[07:04:10] <peemus> well looks like we're the only two in here
[07:06:48] <solfan_> interesting
[07:07:00] <solfan_> everyone buys peecee bits
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[07:07:16] <solfan_> why not just charge for opensolaris?
[07:07:30] <jmcp> ich8 should owrk ok with the ahci driver
[07:07:41] <jmcp> solfan_: because it's open source ....
[07:07:47] <jmcp> solfan_: what am I missing here?
[07:07:50] <solfan_> that doesn'tstop redhat
[07:08:00] <jmcp> they charge for support, as I understand it
[07:08:01] <jmcp> so does Sun
[07:08:29] <solfan_> jmcp: I think it should be reversed
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[07:08:37] <solfan_> charge for the OS and have free support
[07:08:39] <sbahra> Hi
[07:08:56] <jmcp> solfan_: doesn't scale
[07:09:07] <solfan_> sure it does, look at MS
[07:09:32] <solfan_> or Apple
[07:09:47] <solfan_> apple took freebsd and improved a few bits and now they sell it.
[07:10:00] <jmcp> they have massive volume in their favour
[07:10:13] <solfan_> apple or MS?
[07:10:45] <solfan_> OS X, Windows , Linux and Solaris.
[07:11:15] <solfan_> all serve different needs, all have significant value
[07:11:53] <jmcp> both Apple and MS have volume in their favour
[07:12:03] <solfan_> OS X, the upper end of the consumer market.  Windows the low end.  Linux the low end of the consumer market and Solaris the high end
[07:12:43] <solfan_> apple is about quality, and MS is about volume
[07:12:44] <jmcp> Apple and MS also target the consumer market
[07:13:09] <solfan_> linux is about volume, and Solaris is about quality
[07:13:30] <solfan_> market share != profitablity.  Look at GM
[07:13:57] <jmcp> so what's your point here?
[07:14:25] <solfan_> jmcp: SUN stock should be going through the roof
[07:14:43] <jmcp> solfan_: irrelevant, actually
[07:14:48] <solfan_> web 2.0 should be about SUN!
[07:14:54] <solfan_> and solaris
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[07:22:36] <jmcp> hi Chipdancer
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[08:05:36] <WickedWicky> morning all
[08:05:57] <e^ipi> ahoy
[08:06:14] <WickedWicky> almost weekend \\o o//
[08:06:17] <WickedWicky> and it's pay day today
[08:06:22] <WickedWicky> \o/ <o>
[08:07:30] <jmcp> hi
[08:07:39] <WickedWicky> g'day!
[08:08:41] <jmcp> back shortly
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[08:15:35] <Tempt> WickedWicky: beeeer
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[08:25:42] <dlg> wb
[08:25:45] <jmcp> hi there
[08:25:56] <dlg> sup
[08:26:00] <jmcp> not much
[08:26:04] <jmcp> :(
[08:28:28] <dlg> :(
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[08:33:07] <e^ipi> Tempt: I can now officially pull a better shot of espresso on shitty equipment at home than I can at work on the verissimo's
[08:35:24] <jmcp> that's kinda sad
[08:35:30] <e^ipi> yeah, it is
[08:35:50] <jmcp> which espresso do you have at home?
[08:35:55] <e^ipi> illy's
[08:36:04] <jmcp> plumbed in?
[08:36:32] <e^ipi> no, the machine's a saeco rebadge
[08:36:50] <WickedWicky> Tempt: heaps of it
[08:36:59] <e^ipi> it's a *$ barista machine, cost me $100 after employee discount
[08:37:30] <e^ipi> I tore the portafilter to bits when I first got it though because it came with this pressurized portafilter garbage
[08:38:49] <WickedWicky> ok so.. there is really no way of compiling something on a Solaris 10 box and make it work on 9?
[08:39:18] <WickedWicky> unless I use a gcc cross compiler I assume
[08:42:49] <WickedWicky> or to keep the question on topic: is there really no way to compile something on my nevada build and make it work on a solaris 9 box without running into LIBC version SUNW1_1.22_1 not found
[08:43:45] <boyd> Not that I
[08:43:55] <boyd> Not that I know of... other than using something like Xen
[08:44:00] <dlg> etude?
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[08:44:04] <boyd> ...errr ... xV
[08:44:06] <boyd> xMV
[08:44:10] <boyd> arrgh
[08:44:38] <e^ipi> isn't there a sol8 branded zone these days?
[08:44:47] <WickedWicky> it's getting late eh boyd
[08:44:52] <boyd> Not anywhere you can get it
[08:45:05] <boyd> WickedWicky: Heh... end of the week.. at the airport waiting to go home
[08:45:24] <WickedWicky> ow :D long wait?
[08:46:05] <WickedWicky> so, I guess I either have to build a gcc cross compiler and use --with-sysroot everywhere or I have to run a VM with Solaris 9 in it
[08:46:12] <boyd> Another 1.5 hrs
[08:46:17] <WickedWicky> and the total was?
[08:46:28] <boyd> about 2.5
[08:46:30] <WickedWicky> dlg: what's estude?
[08:46:36] <boyd> Got here early but not many flights
[08:46:45] <WickedWicky> boyd: that's not too bad, my longest wait was 16 hours from Sao Paulo to Fortaleza
[08:46:52] <dlg> WickedWicky: sol8 in a zone
[08:46:52] <boyd> Wow
[08:47:02] <boyd> This is only a 45 minute flight :(
[08:47:38] <WickedWicky> flights from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo only ran once a week (with varig) so you arrived at wednessday morning 6am local time and the first flight to fortaleza was at 18:00 or so :P
[08:47:39] <boyd> WickedWicky: http://blogs.sun.com/dp/entry/project_etude_revealed
[08:47:48] <WickedWicky> dlg: I'll try to google it
[08:48:27] <WickedWicky> fortunatly "estude" means "go study" in portuguese so "estude + zones" on google wont give me that much false positives... :P
[08:48:36] <boyd> Of course there is extensive documentation on the open source web site here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/350/
[08:48:46] <dlg> WickedWicky: etude, not estude
[08:48:53] * boyd takes tongue out of cheek
[08:48:54] <WickedWicky> ow
[08:49:25] <WickedWicky> boyd: wow.. this is.. huge
[08:51:39] <jmcp> it's Etude, not Estude
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[08:52:50] <WickedWicky> http://blogs.sun.com/dp/entry/project_etude_revealed
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[08:53:34] <WickedWicky> that looks pretty straight forward to do
[08:54:04] <boyd> Umm... didn't I paste that exact link?
[08:54:10] <WickedWicky> yes
[08:54:19] <WickedWicky> but I only see you pasted it now :P
[08:54:29] <WickedWicky> I'm distracted by a cutey in the bus
[08:54:47] <WickedWicky> and she's smiling at me actually, sorry for the distract :P
[08:55:22] <boyd> What the hell are you typing in here for then?
[08:55:35] <WickedWicky> she is one of this SMS frantics apparantly
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[08:56:35] <boyd> Hey, Alan.
[08:56:53] <Tpenta> boyd
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[08:59:20] * nrubsig curses his life (and Tpenta , too)
[08:59:42] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I got an email.
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[08:59:52] <nrubsig> Tpenta: please guess the subject...
[09:00:43] <Tpenta> dtrace probes in ksh93
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[09:02:04] <nrubsig> Tpenta: bingo.
[09:02:13] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I have an idea.
[09:02:26] <nrubsig> Tpenta: 1. we annouce  it's done.
[09:02:55] <nrubsig> Tpenta: 2. everyone who wants the feature before the opensolaris.org conferece has to pay $200 for a copy of the program
[09:03:10] <nrubsig> Tpenta: would that work ?
[09:03:19] <Tpenta> lol
[09:03:40] <sickness> morning all
[09:03:43] <sickness> hi nrubsig ! :)
[09:03:47] <Chipdancer> jmcp: yeah, I must be yoyoing
[09:03:52] <nrubsig> I bet we can make $2000 with that, you get 9/10 and I get 1/10 of the money
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[09:03:54] <Chipdancer> jmcp: hi
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[09:03:58] <Chipdancer> jmcp: news?
[09:03:59] <nrubsig> sickness: Hi!
[09:04:17] <jmcp> Chipdancer: no, no news at all
[09:04:24] <Chipdancer> jmcp: got me a nightly with xVM yet?
[09:04:28] <jmcp> nope
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[09:04:38] <jmcp> pull it down for yourself, ya lazy bum! :-)
[09:04:57] <Chipdancer> with what?  I have no quote for a few weeks!
[09:05:02] <WickedWicky> so I guess I am gonna learn/work with zones this weekend
[09:05:05] <WickedWicky> \o/
[09:05:08] <Chipdancer> 128kbps
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[09:05:28] <quasi> WickedWicky: zones are easy
[09:05:31] <WickedWicky> so I see
[09:05:54] <Chipdancer> quasi: well, they seem easy enough from the limited playing I did with them
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[09:06:07] <Chipdancer> much easier than freebsd jails.. (better tools to manage, instantiate etc)
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[09:07:01] <quasi> Chipdancer: I've done quite a bit with zones - http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/03/08/T16_17_05/index.html
[09:07:36] <boyd> Wow... there's something that feels wrong about sitting at a unix desktop while in an airline lounge on one of their PCs :) Thanks to Tempt and his SGD :)
[09:10:41] <Chipdancer> quasi: you're Dansk?
[09:11:06] <jmcp> Chipdancer: how long are you throttled for?
[09:11:24] <Chipdancer> jmcp: till mid next month or until my service provider changes
[09:11:42] <jmcp> so you've only just started your new month? geeeprs!
[09:11:50] <Chipdancer> well, a week ago
[09:12:05] <quasi> Chipdancer: yep
[09:13:10] <Chipdancer> quasi: cool, my skjeld (I think that's it) is also a Dane
[09:14:38] <Chipdancer> jmcp: is there a way to download nightlies and update them via rsync?
[09:15:02] <jmcp> nightly builds, no
[09:15:13] <Chipdancer> any others?
[09:15:16] <jmcp> you'd be better off doing an hg sync
[09:15:28] <Chipdancer> hg?  Mercury?
[09:15:31] <jmcp> mercurial
[09:15:44] <Chipdancer> which is?
[09:15:54] <jmcp> our SCM
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[09:15:59] <jmcp> at least, it will be soon enough
[09:16:07] <jmcp> Chipdancer: are you going to go to humbug tomorrow>?
[09:16:20] <Chipdancer> jmcp: unlikely, we have a housewarming-ish to attend
[09:16:28] <jmcp> ok
[09:17:34] <Chipdancer> so what can (could) I get access via using mercurial?
[09:17:39] <Chipdancer> just source?
[09:17:50] <jmcp> yes, and you pull down the closed bins separately
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[09:18:13] <Chipdancer> hrmm.. I'd prefer it if I could also sync the open bins
[09:18:36] <jmcp> you're making assumptions again
[09:19:01] <Chipdancer> that's possible ;)
[09:19:34] <jmcp> Chipdancer: you've got more reading to do:: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/scm-migration/ and http://opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/
[09:19:51] <Chipdancer> thanks
[09:19:58] <Chipdancer> that's the next-step I was wondering about
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[09:22:44] <WickedWicky> a lie-down? what is your transit line made out of? snails?
[09:23:23] <Cyrille> two paper cups and a piece of string.
[09:23:34] <Chipdancer> WickedWicky: just about at the moment
[09:26:22] <Chipdancer> jmcp: so hg is very fledgling at the moment.. and best option is to probably wait a few months?
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[09:27:03] <jmcp> Chipdancer: where do you get the idea that hg is fledgling?
[09:27:13] <Chipdancer> ok, the sun hg repository is fledgling
[09:27:25] <jmcp> not at all
[09:27:37] <jmcp> richlowe: oi! come and beat up on chipdancer
[09:27:43] <Chipdancer> :)
[09:27:44] * Chipdancer ducks
[09:27:55] <jmcp> I don't understand why you think it's a fledgling repo
[09:28:03] <jmcp> because it most certainly isn't
[09:28:03] <WickedWicky> I use hg al the time, it works neatly, and I have to pull the source ones from Sun, clone it localy to an AMD64 and Sparc workspace
[09:28:07] <Chipdancer> ok, the documentation makes it appears so
[09:28:19] <jmcp> it's quite possibly out of date ... in favour of getting on with doing the job
[09:28:28] <Chipdancer> jmcp: indeed
[09:28:32] <WickedWicky> updates go easy go, hg pull, hg update, and then hg update from my workspaces to the local repository
[09:29:07] <Chipdancer> WickedWicky: how quick is an update?
[09:29:17] <WickedWicky> depends on how fast your snails run
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[09:29:32] <WickedWicky> you only update changesets
[09:29:37] <WickedWicky> not the entire repository
[09:29:44] <Chipdancer> okokok.. what data size is an update typically?
[09:29:54] <WickedWicky> depends on the changes made
[09:30:53] <Chipdancer> of course, so I gather the recent putback of xVM was moderately large?
[09:31:01] <WickedWicky> when you want bleeding-bloody-ready-to-brick-yourserver-edge you have a couple of 100Ks a day
[09:31:11] <WickedWicky> when you want to go from onnv_72 to onnv_73 , a couple of megs
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[09:31:51] <WickedWicky> I also found that mecurial repository is always one onnv build ahead of what's available via BFU archives
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[09:32:17] <WickedWicky> and geek (not nerd, I dig girls) as I am I always want the latest and greatest
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[09:33:41] <WickedWicky> i even dare to assume that using the mecurial repository to update from one onnv branch to another costs you less bandwith than downloading wnentire BFU archives all the time
[09:34:07] <Chipdancer> *nods*
[09:34:28] <Chipdancer> by being one build ahead of the BFU archives, when does that suggest you'll have B75?
[09:35:04] <WickedWicky> prolly when the topic here shouts B74 is out
[09:35:10] <WickedWicky> at least that's what happened lately
[09:35:37] <Chipdancer> ahh, cool
[09:35:54] * Chipdancer goes to read some more about hg
[09:36:47] <sparcdr> hi2u
[09:36:59] <Chipdancer> ok, are there any instruction sets to geting started with hg and ONNV?
[09:37:00] * sparcdr lights room on fire
[09:37:15] <WickedWicky> yeah
[09:37:18] <WickedWicky> run htis command
[09:37:19] <WickedWicky> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[09:37:32] <WickedWicky> on the location where you wanna download the repository
[09:38:24] <Chipdancer> any tips to building onnv without polluting your source area?
[09:38:25] <WickedWicky> and read this
[09:38:28] <WickedWicky> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
[09:38:40] <WickedWicky> I have it in /export/build/
[09:38:47] <WickedWicky> which is a huge ZFS filesystem
[09:39:54] <WickedWicky> then copy usr/tools/env/opensolaris.sh to the 'root' dir of the onnv-gate
[09:39:59] <WickedWicky> make changes as you see fit
[09:40:10] <WickedWicky> (change WS_GATE for starters)
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[09:40:27] <WickedWicky> oh and make sure you have Sun Pro 11 + patches
[09:40:38] <WickedWicky> I downloaded the SS image mentioned by the JDS group
[09:40:53] <Chipdancer> Sun Pro == Sun Studio?
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[09:41:37] <WickedWicky> yes
[09:42:08] <WickedWicky> I have to go for 10 mins
[09:42:11] <WickedWicky> arrival at the office
[09:42:14] <sparcdr> hi
[09:42:18] <WickedWicky> ellows
[09:42:29] <sparcdr> my sun ultra-20 arrives soon, ships on 3rd
[09:42:36] <sparcdr> :)
[09:42:44] <WickedWicky> ow I am not a mecurial expert btw.. just a happy user and spreading the good news :P
[09:42:51] <WickedWicky> brb!
[09:42:53] <Chipdancer> excellent, thanks for yoru help
[09:43:38] <sparcdr> im sparcdr and i didnt help because i was sleeping :(
[09:49:17] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:54:53] <sparcdr> :o
[09:54:58] <sparcdr> >_<
[09:55:19] <quasi> hey hey asyd
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[09:56:53] <sbahra> Anyone recommend a bug report/GNATS system?
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[09:57:00] <sbahra> Other than trac. Which is what I'm using at the moment.
[09:57:24] <trygvis> jira
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[09:59:52] <sparcdr> yeah
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[10:00:17] <sparcdr> http://www.carcinogenic-studios.com:8080 to see jira in action (FreeBSD/Diablo JRE)
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[10:00:55] <timsf> morning everyone.
[10:01:29] <sparcdr> morning timsf
[10:01:35] <trygvis> or https://issues.apache.org/jira/, jira.codehaus.or
[10:01:36] <trygvis> g
[10:01:43] <sparcdr> yeah :)
[10:02:55] <sbahra> Not going to install support for JSP. :-)
[10:03:31] <WickedWicky> back
[10:03:48] <sparcdr> it comes with its own tomcat
[10:03:59] <sparcdr> or can be deployed on a AS
[10:04:16] <sparcdr> so be it, much better than bugzilla is all
[10:05:56] <sparcdr> brb
[10:10:39] <trochej> Coffee
[10:10:41] <trochej> Mornin'
[10:12:35] <quasi> trochej: waaaay ahead of you
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[10:18:30] <sparcdr> what's up timsf?
[10:18:51] <timsf> Nothing much, reading mail, catching up.
[10:18:58] <sparcdr> cool @ ZFS USB support btw
[10:19:05] <trygvis> url?
[10:19:18] <sparcdr> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/
[10:20:13] <timsf> thanks, it's not quite there yet, but very nearly.
[10:20:39] <timsf> trying to work out whether to do the extra work now to make it generic enough to work with networking
[10:20:50] <sparcdr> need any testing?
[10:20:51] <timsf> so it could hook into the nwam project...
[10:21:17] <timsf> Not yet - haven't the cycles to spend on it at the moment
[10:21:38] <sparcdr> timsf: just bought an ultra-20 btw :).  I wouldn't mind converting my storage disk over for it (120GB USB 2.0)
[10:22:38] <timsf> Lovely - I'd thought of buying one of those a few years ago, never got around to it. Definitely worth putting zfs on a single disk
[10:22:50] <sparcdr> what mailing list in regards to this would subscribe to?
[10:22:54] <sparcdr> *i
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[10:23:20] <sparcdr> timfs: so I've heard, construction is excellent and noise is minimal
[10:23:34] <timsf> (Oh sorry, misunderstood you - no need to change your USB disk to zfs, pcfs is fine)
[10:23:35] <sparcdr> wasn't too bad, although I got the larger config of course
[10:23:46] <sparcdr> ah, really.  cool.
[10:24:03] <timsf> Yeah - that was my thought at the time as well. Didn't need the expensive graphics card though,
[10:24:16] <timsf> so I think that's why I stalled on buying one..
[10:24:17] <sparcdr> meh, comeon, glxgegars!
[10:24:32] <sparcdr> you should had gone with medium then and a ram upgrade
[10:24:44] <timsf> I figured I could get more bang/buck with a consumer level graphics card,
[10:24:45] <sparcdr> The entry level NVIDIA is more than enough
[10:24:51] <timsf> rather than going for one of the quadro cards...
[10:24:54] <sparcdr> true, but I saw it as a package
[10:25:06] <timsf>  (wanted a machine that I could play counterstrike on as well :-)
[10:25:18] <sparcdr> I will eventually buy an x16 Geforce 8800 GTS
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[10:25:26] <sparcdr> timfs: source works fine on a 64mb card
[10:25:35] <sparcdr> the entry is 128mb
[10:25:41] <sparcdr> plus the clock is way more than enough
[10:25:46] <sparcdr> trust me, long time player myself
[10:25:58] <WickedWicky> Chipdancer:
[10:26:01] <WickedWicky> to give you an example
[10:26:04] <WickedWicky> look at the topic
[10:26:05] <sparcdr> my 8600 GT is overkill for it
[10:26:09] <WickedWicky> it shows ON73
[10:26:15] <WickedWicky> hg tags shows me
[10:26:16] <WickedWicky> tip                             5108:43add252e506
[10:26:17] <WickedWicky> onnv_74                         5082:988308a14072
[10:26:19] <sparcdr> they only cost 150-200 too :D
[10:26:29] <sparcdr> opposed to about 350-400 for quadro 1500
[10:26:53] <sparcdr> but I wanted the faster opteron, can't hurt to be able to chew more cycles
[10:27:29] <timsf> What attracts me at the moment, is the impending power management support - which will work for Ultra 20s first.
[10:27:32] <sparcdr> multipurpose use really, C/C++ work and general computing tasks, more than enough.
[10:27:37] <sparcdr> great :D
[10:27:47] <timsf> Lack of suspend/resume is why I don't use Solaris on my main machine at home :-/
[10:28:13] <sparcdr> my thinkpad's speedstep supposedly will work in ON 73, some changes to unify support for mobile procs.  No suspend/resume yet obviously
[10:28:53] <sparcdr> everything else works.  it's not new at all, has a terrible gfx card, but it does a good job for some development work
[10:29:19] <sparcdr> sorry meant ON 74, I haven't read that it works on 73
[10:30:00] <timsf> Yeah - running on an ancient Toshiba m100 laptop at the moment (with a broken screen, which ties it to a CRT) Works fine.
[10:30:24] <sparcdr> haha :D
[10:30:33] <sparcdr> thinkpad t30 for my current solaris box
[10:31:31] <sparcdr> things to note that are lacking, power managgement (Speedstep, resume/suspend), bluetooth (T30 doesn't have it), and still some problems with current wifi drivers (Pull a PCMCIA card out, I dare you)
[10:32:13] <sparcdr> oh yeah, keyboard layouts, older ati support, backlit display controls, etc
[10:33:05] <sparcdr> curious, does anyone know of a tun/tap driver that works on OpenSolaris?
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[10:34:40] <sparcdr> bah ;_;
[10:34:51] <sparcdr> brb
[10:36:03] <g4lt-sb100> yeah, god help you if you installed the frkit
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[11:00:17] <CIA-25> petede: 6211435 disks with target names > 40 chars cannot be added to a diskset
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[11:58:57] <sparcdr> ;o
[11:59:01] <sparcdr> hello
[12:00:59] <asyd> hi
[12:01:14] <Fullmoon_> Is there any package manager yet for (Open)Solaris?
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[12:05:36] <rasputnik> Fullmoon: pkgadd not do what you need?
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[12:08:03] <sparcdr_sunos> hey :D
[12:08:23] <trygvis> Fullmoon_: blastwave has pkg-get as an add-on to pkg*
[12:08:54] <sparcdr_sunos> trygvis, just got done synchronizing most of csw
[12:09:14] <trygvis> as in installing or rsync?
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[12:15:58] <Fullmoon_> rasputnik: So, lets say installing ruby with pkgadd will install all dependencies?
[12:16:36] <rasputnik> Fullmoon_: no, use pkg-get for that (from blastwave.org). It uses the same package format, but handles all the dependencies.
[12:16:53] <Fullmoon_> rasputnik: I see, thanks
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[12:23:09] <Giacomino> hi
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[12:27:37] <rasputnik> Fullmoon_: although it's really easy to build your own ruby (and you'll need to to get the DTrace bits)
[12:29:51] <JWheeler> Hi Folks, I'd appreciate some advice on building for a lower sparc revision. I'm trying to build mplayer, but it doesn't seem to matter if I give gcc -mv7 or -mcpu=v7, I always end up with an v8+ binary
[12:30:46] <JWheeler> The build host that I'm using is v9, so I'm guessing that the configure script is messing things up for me, but looking at the very last gcc line, it's looks fine - it has -mcpu=v7 in there
[12:31:27] <flyingparchment> can gcc even emit v7 code?  i don't think current studio can..
[12:32:46] <flyingparchment> and are you building on a solaris revision that actually runs on v7?
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[12:34:11] <JWheeler> Well I'm actually shooting for v8, but I thought I'd try v7 just to really make sure that changing the flags is making a differnence
[12:34:25] <JWheeler> I'm using gcc3 on a solaris 8 host
[12:35:14] <JWheeler> so v8 is ok, v8+ is not :)
[12:38:22] <JWheeler> Retrying now with gcc4
[12:38:59] <rasputnik> I'm setting up a 2-disk SVM root mirror on x86. How are you supposed to setup metadbs to ever get quorum?
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[12:41:53] <flyingparchment> rasputnik: use three disks :)
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[12:42:08] <flyingparchment> rasputnik: or when a disk fails, remove the replica on the other disk
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[12:42:36] <Giacomino> does anyonw know if the php istalled with the apache/mysql/php of coolstack come with the --with-oci option ? I need to use the oracle instant client
[12:43:11] <Fullmoon_> Is there also a way to use pkgsrc
[12:43:12] <Fullmoon_> ?
[12:43:48] <Giacomino> ah ok
[12:43:52] <Giacomino> thanks
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[12:51:36] <rasputnik> flyingparchment: so make 2 copies on each disk, then just trash one on the good disk after failure?
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[12:59:48] <Fullmoon_> Does OpenSolaris supports live migration of containers?
[13:00:00] <jamesd_> no
[13:00:45] <CIA-25> paulsan: 6606499 Fix cstyle error in hat_sfmmu.c
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[13:11:00] <rasputnik> Fullmoon_: it's quite easy if your zonepath is on a shared disk though
[13:11:42] <rasputnik> not live, sorry. but Good Enough imo
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[13:13:48] <trochej> Can dia do SVG?
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[13:14:10] <asyd> if you want SVG I recommand inkscape and some nice templates (I have some if you're interest)
[13:15:19] <trochej> asyd: I need to send somethnig as a vector, prefferably corel, but I don't have corel, next on list is svg
[13:16:38] <rasputnik> +1 for inkscape. even I can make nice logos with it
[13:17:03] <trochej> hmmm
[13:17:08] <trochej> inkscape, you say
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[13:24:11] <WickedWicky> can anyone give me pointers to how I can use my MTP device (Zen vision:M) under Opensolaris? I installed libmtp but I assume more has to be done?
[13:24:40] <WickedWicky> I'm compiling Inkscape now trochej , I heard great things about it
[13:26:18] <trochej> WickedWicky: Any interesting dependencies?
[13:27:04] <WickedWicky> I can give you the pkgtool line in a sec, when it's done
[13:30:34] <rasputnik> If I've got a Gb of RAM in my desktop, how big should swap be to hold a crashdump? About 1200Mb enough?
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[13:49:24] <rasputnik> ok, I'll rephrase that. If i had 2 600Gb swap filesystems (1 per disk) and a Gb of RAM, would Solaris be able to crashdump across both ? Or do I need 1 slice that's bigger than physical memory?
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[13:50:23] <quasi> 600Gb swap? damn, that's quite a bit
[13:50:34] <rasputnik> quasi: duh, Mb :)
[13:50:55] <trochej> WickedWicky: I's appreciate it
[13:50:56] <tomww> would be interesting if 600gb swap would be adressable
[13:51:01] <PerterB> I think there can be only one dump device
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[13:51:30] <rasputnik> PerterB: that's what I thought too. Just wanted both disks to look the same. Ok, 2 x 1100Mb slices it is
[13:51:43] <quasi> tomww: why wouldn't it be? on a system that can adress TBs of memory?
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[13:53:44] <PerterB> even a midrange server like the m4000 supports 128G RAM, so you'd want quite a lot of swap
[13:54:35] * dlg want an m4000
[13:56:04] <PerterB> m9000 "Supports up to 2 TB of memory"......
[13:56:59] <trochej> http://www.heinleinarchives.net/upload/
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[13:57:47] <seanmcg> rasputnik: you can setup a dedicated dump device - where _only_ crash dumps get to - no swap on it..  man dumpadm for more info
[13:58:18] <rasputnik> seanmcg: cool. I'm really just penny pinching as the box only has 2 x 40Gb disks
[14:00:24] <CIA-25> sk102515: 6564477 set_up_connection() doesn't not handle return values of t_connect() properly.
[14:01:31] <seanmcg> rasputnik: a 1GB swap to dump (iff you panic) should be fine..
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[14:02:18] <jwest-> hi
[14:02:21] <jwest-> sun office is freee?
[14:05:48] <quasi> jwest-: staroffice? no. openoffice is (or at least that was the case last time I checked)
[14:05:57] <jwest-> ah
[14:05:59] <jwest-> hi quasi!!
[14:06:16] <quasi> hey hey
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[14:07:36] <jwest-> long time huh
[14:08:21] <quasi> yeah, I've been _busy_
[14:08:57] <quasi> speaking of which - I need to get this bloody 6900 configged - laters &
[14:09:09] <jwest-> hehe
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[14:13:25] <rasputnik> seanmcg: cheers
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[14:22:58] <trochej> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2005-04-30/mineswee.jpg
[14:24:05] <seanmcg> rasputnik: no, though your milage may vary - hopefully no panics :)
[14:24:08] <Stric> trochej: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138
[14:24:31] * rasputnik watches the installer plod along
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[14:27:35] <cmihai> Huh, why the hell did I bounce
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[14:39:17] <trochej> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2002-12-31/aecoffee.jpg
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[14:40:56] <quasi> trochej: looks a bit fake
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[14:52:49] <trochej> quasi: A bit fake, huh? What about that: http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-08-31/pxl506.jpg ? :)
[14:53:21] <ofu> how can i power down a sata drive? (what hdparm -S does for linux or ataidle -s for FreeBSD)
[14:53:49] <trochej> quasi: Or that: http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/atrick.jpg
[14:54:27] <trochej> quasi: Or that: http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/waterfa1.jpg
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[15:00:14] <CIA-25> batschul: 6566239 nfslog_logbuffer_rename causes nfslogd self deadlock
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[15:03:05] <victori_> is forcedirectio even remotely safe?
[15:03:10] <victori_> for fs mount?
[15:03:29] <dlg> try and see ;)
[15:08:07] <flyingparchment> it's very safe, why wouldn't it be?
[15:10:25] <Stric> ofu: powerd.conf has stuff I think
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[15:25:20] <sickness> is there a way to disable the pc speaker in snv72? I'm at the console of a latitude 510 and it's head blasting every time a type a wrong key :/
[15:25:55] <PerterB> wire snips? :)
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[15:32:52] <rasputnik> sickness - try turning off the bell in the shell?
[15:33:18] <timsf> xset -b ?
[15:41:24] <quasi> "the bell in the shell"
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[15:49:57] <kaiwai_> hmm, to avoid that, don't use the wrong key :)
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[15:57:51] <millhouse> hey
[15:57:54] <kaiwai_> yo
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[15:58:17] <millhouse> has anyone played with iscsitadm?
[15:58:20] <Heimidal> excuse me if this is a stupid question, but I've been Googling for almost an hour: how can I execute the following in an SMF definition? just adding the command to an <exec_method> doesn't do it:
[15:58:39] <bart> hmm
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[15:58:56] <Heimidal> "FERRET_USE_LOCAL_INDEX=1 RAILS_ENV=production script/ferret_start"
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[16:05:36] <Berny> /bin/sh -c "FERRET_USE_LOCAL_INDEX=1 RAILS_ENV=production script/ferret_start" might work
[16:06:00] <Berny> hmm what sun boxen are codenamed "enchilada/stiletto"?
[16:07:06] <ofu> enchilada... v240?
[16:07:09] <richlowe> enchilada is the Sun-Blade-2500
[16:08:01] <Berny> cheers
[16:08:21] <Berny> .oO(one should have a list with alle the codenames somewhere)
[16:08:29] <kaiwai> hmm, is Khebab going to be the successor?
[16:08:45] <richlowe> Berny: sure should.
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[16:09:19] <richlowe> there's a list of those with platmods in the devref (which would include enchilada)
[16:09:21] <seanmcg> enchilada was used for a bunch of boxes, v240 and SB-2500 included..
[16:09:49] <seanmcg> they all had the same/similar system-board
[16:09:56] <Berny> ok and which one is the stiletto?
[16:10:11] <Berny> .oO(i bet on the sexy sb2500)
[16:10:16] <kaiwai> hmm, thats off Billy Joels album '52nd street'
[16:10:18] <kaiwai> :P
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[16:17:19] <sickness> tnx
[16:17:21] <richlowe> kaiwai: sucessors are enchilada+ and chicago, iirc
[16:17:43] <kaiwai> hmm, who comes up with the code names?
[16:17:53] <kaiwai> mind you, all the computers on my network are named after composers
[16:18:14] <kaiwai> my router is called bruckner, this computer is rachmaninov, the two others are tchaikovsky and dvorak
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[16:20:54] <WickedWicky> kaiwai: what did you do to make your MPT device working?
[16:21:03] <kaiwai> MPT?
[16:21:10] <WickedWicky> Creative
[16:21:19] <WickedWicky> MTP
[16:21:21] <WickedWicky> whatever
[16:21:37] <kaiwai> haven't got one - but it should work using the gtkam application which supports mp3 players as well
[16:21:51] <kaiwai> libmtp is also in the pkgbuild cvs as well
[16:22:04] <kaiwai> then download gnomad which is a front end to libmtp
[16:22:05] <WickedWicky> I installed libmtp, I can query the device and all
[16:22:08] <WickedWicky> but I need a player
[16:22:09] <WickedWicky> ah
[16:22:11] <WickedWicky> awesome
[16:22:15] <WickedWicky> thankies thee kiwi
[16:22:24] <kaiwai> thats ok
[16:22:33] <WickedWicky> I can wire the money to the usual account?
[16:22:40] <kaiwai> I'm waiting for flash to improve before I give up my MiniDisc
[16:22:55] <kaiwai> na, don't worry about the money, some TLC would be more than sufficient :)
[16:23:14] <Berny> wicky wire the money to my account ;-P
[16:23:21] <WickedWicky> genau
[16:24:06] * kaiwai hands WickedWicky a whip
[16:24:09] <kaiwai> lets have some fun :P
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[16:25:43] <WickedWicky> I'm not much fun atm, I am preparing for a cute migraine attack
[16:26:00] <kaiwai> awww, why is that?
[16:26:08] <kaiwai> insufficient caffeine in the diet?
[16:26:09] <WickedWicky> you tell me
[16:26:16] <WickedWicky> it comes back every year around this time of the year
[16:26:19] <WickedWicky> lasts for 2 weeks
[16:26:22] <kaiwai> ewww
[16:26:22] <WickedWicky> then I can go on for a year
[16:26:29] <kaiwai> *hugs*
[16:26:32] <WickedWicky> awww
[16:26:39] <WickedWicky> plans for the weekend?
[16:26:41] <WickedWicky> besides getting laid
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[16:26:54] <kaiwai> just the usual, study, study, study and ooh, study :)
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[16:27:07] <dolt_> how has the transition of Opensolaris to Hg (Mercurial) worked out?  any downsides?
[16:27:12] <kaiwai> studying the tantric tradition :)
[16:27:30] <kaiwai> dolt_: I haven't noticed anything bad since the last time I downloaded the source
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[16:30:42] <Doc> i'm starting up a distribution called New Mexico
[16:31:04] <kaiwai> hmm, interesting
[16:31:22] <Doc> i have no intention of actually telling anyone what its really all about
[16:31:38] <elektronkind> Doc: what, is Delaware not flashy enough?
[16:31:40] <Doc> so basically itll just be an indiana clone...
[16:32:29] <Cyrille> can you make sure there's lots of wild speculation on its contents, meaning, and impact before it even exists, though?
[16:33:06] <Doc> i did a delaware distribution, but it just wasnt taxing enough
[16:33:28] <kaiwai> should have gone the full monty and released Swedish distribution
[16:33:41] <kaiwai> that would have been really taxing
[16:34:05] <richlowe> Doc: wrong state.
[16:34:06] <Doc> i intend to lisense it under the GPL3/CDDL hybrid license
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[16:39:44] <kaiwai> B73 is stable, hopefully the ata fix will make it for B74
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[16:39:58] <richlowe> kaiwai: b74 closed monday night.
[16:40:01] <richlowe> so if it's not in, it won't.
[16:40:13] * kaiwai goes emo
[16:40:44] <kaiwai> oh well, GNOME 2.20 will be cool :)
[16:41:09] <richlowe> or it'll break stuff in odd ways again for 3 or 4 builds.
[16:42:00] <Berny> you're so negative ;-)
[16:42:14] <kaiwai> true; or get merged when there are still thousands of bugs
[16:42:31] <kaiwai> and some jerk off not regularly rebuilding JDS resulting in an out of date desktop
[16:43:05] * Berny waits for b75... so xVM can really break things :-)
[16:43:06] <richlowe> Berny: bitter, not negative.
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[16:43:41] * Berny could do with a nice pint of bitter
[16:43:47] <quasi> Berny: yeah, b75 looks like more fun
[16:44:06] <PerterB> ata fix?
[16:44:08] <axisys> should tcpsnoop.d catch any tcp communication ? i tried to telnet remote 25 and tcpsnoop.d did not show it
[16:46:10] <kaiwai> PeterB: yeah, some cd/dvd's drives stopped working from B72 forwards
[16:46:47] <PerterB> ah ok, I can live with that for a few builds
[16:47:08] <kaiwai> PeterB: its getting fixed as well speak - apparently
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[16:48:06] <Berny> .oO(could someone fix my bank account? ;-))
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[17:00:15] <CIA-25> yz147064: 6602811 GLDv3 MAC has references to an ill after the ill is long gone
[17:02:00] <flyingparchment> is the JES mail server free?
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[17:08:28] <kaiwai> yeap
[17:08:32] <kaiwai> its now SES
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[17:11:06] <ofu> can anybody tell me the correct mdsadm syntax for creating a pnfs-layout over several data-servers?
[17:11:09] <kaiwai> StarOffice Update 8 is very stable
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[17:58:36] <millhouse> hey
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[17:59:47] <cast> yo
[18:00:15] <CIA-25> ahl: 6606981 the ucaller variable requires additional checks
[18:00:16] <CIA-25> vi117747: 6574028 Panic in flowacct_update_flows_tbl
[18:00:53] <kaiwai> yo
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[18:18:07] <millhouse> how do you change the GUID of the iscsi target node?
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[18:19:50] <rcorreia> hi, I was wondering if you could help me
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[18:20:45] <sommerfeld> that depends on what you need help with
[18:21:08] <rcorreia> I have an application that is getting this error msg: "bind() to port 988 failed: errno==34"
[18:21:15] <rcorreia> errno 34 is ERANGE
[18:21:23] <rcorreia> anyone knows why I'm getting this?
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[18:22:07] <rcorreia> I can't find the relevant piece of code in OpenSolaris
[18:24:59] <trygvis> hi reflect_
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[18:25:48] <rcorreia> btw, I'm running the application as root
[18:26:21] <rcorreia> man page doesn't say anything about ERANGE
[18:26:30] <rcorreia> *bind man page
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[19:00:15] <CIA-25> jg97986: 6564175 Oracle unkillable, thread stuck in cv_timedwait called from rsm:rsm_unpublish
[19:01:00] <rcorreia> nm, it was a bug in the application
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[19:12:21] <gdamore> hi *
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[19:14:51] <paul> hmm, trying to remount an FS as RO, but remount says 'not this fstype'
[19:14:59] * paul is doing something silly no doubtr
[19:15:14] <paul> (mount -F ufs -o remount,ro /var -> "mount: /dev/dsk/c1d0s5 is not this fstype")
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[19:22:22] <richlowe> what's actually mounted on /var, what does /etc/vfstab say should be mounted on /var, do they differ?
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[19:23:59] <paul> richlowe: i just booted it, so presumably they're same.. let me check
[19:24:09] <paul>  /var on /dev/dsk/c1d0s5 <options>...
[19:24:17] <paul>  /dev/dsk/c1d0s5 /dev/rdsk/c1d0s5        /var    ufs
[19:24:21] <paul> seems to be same
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[19:24:55] <paul> hey dunc ;)
[19:25:01] <dunc> hiya :)
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[19:39:58] <Fish-> hello
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[19:58:51] <millhouse> has anyone played with BakBone's netvault replicator?
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[20:59:49] <jbk> and IPMP gurus around? I'm curious if anyone knows of any issues with ipmp + ip multicast
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[21:32:42] <WickedWicky> yes
[21:33:00] <WickedWicky> so, time to see what's going on in onnv_74 world
[21:33:05] <WickedWicky> reboot!
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[21:34:15] <trochej> Friggin' friggers. Playing with things we have to wait for
[21:34:29] <trochej> :)
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[21:59:17] <flyingparchment> man, the solaris data encryption kit is hard to find
[22:00:15] <CIA-25> myers: 6565168 need support for disk LEDs on ThumperF platform
[22:00:45] <millhouse> how do you encrypt a whole volume/directory?
[22:00:47] <millhouse> in solaris
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