[00:02:24] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[00:05:48] *** Atomdrac1e has joined #opensolaris
[00:15:54] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[00:18:16] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[00:21:38] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris
[00:21:59] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC
[00:23:27] <SYS64738> by default syslog listen only on 127.0.0.1 ?
[00:29:10] <Stric> yeah, add -t
[00:29:17] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[00:32:05] <SYS64738> Stric, sorry but where ?
[00:32:15] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[00:33:34] <Stric> changing /etc/default/syslogd is one way
[00:33:49] <Stric> hacking /etc/init.d/syslogd or similar is another (but probably worse ;)
[00:34:07] <jbk> which build of nevada?
[00:34:17] <jbk> i think you can change that via svccfg
[00:34:20] <SYS64738> 69
[00:34:53] <richlowe> set config/log_from_remote to true with svccfg, and refresh/restart
[00:35:38] *** triplah_ has quit IRC
[00:35:52] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris
[00:36:34] <jbk> there ya go :)
[00:36:49] <jbk> i'd have looked, but I'm battling some work issues at the moment
[00:36:55] <jbk> and trying to secure dinner at the same time :)
[00:37:03] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[00:39:18] <SYS64738> svc:/system/system-log> set log_from_remote=true
[00:39:19] <SYS64738> Usage: set [-vV]
[00:40:54] <jbk> setprop config/log_from_remote = true
[00:41:03] <SYS64738> thanks
[00:41:09] <jbk> i think :)
[00:41:17] <SYS64738> yes I see it with listprop
[00:43:22] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[00:49:04] *** ichigo has joined #opensolaris
[00:49:19] *** ichigo has quit IRC
[00:52:07] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[00:55:22] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[01:03:16] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[01:06:49] <Drone> FrostCS is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Wed 22 Aug 2007 03:36 GMT, saying 'nite all'.
[01:07:23] <Drone> CSFrost (CSFrost!n=FrostCS at cpe-24-161-124-144 dot hvc.res.rr.com) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 27 Jul 2007 00:34 GMT, saying 'morteng, see live upgrade, currently we upgrade using the entire image, or just bfu.'.
[01:10:35] <jmcp> Drone: you're *really* lagged today
[01:14:55] <victori_> has anyone installed DBI from cpan with coolstack's perlio?
[01:15:16] <delewis> I avoid the Coolstack stuff.
[01:15:57] <victori_> I get some perlio recursion errors
[01:16:04] <delewis> unless you need the extra 1% theoretical performance difference on UltraSPARC-T1, there's no reason to bother with it.
[01:16:21] <victori_> perl 5.8.8 > perl 5.8.6
[01:16:26] <victori_> the only reason I am using it
[01:18:22] <jamesd__> delewis, it seems okay, but i haven't had much time in use, it is built with sun studio so probably better than most  packages and is not limited to just the t1.
[01:26:57] *** karrotx has quit IRC
[01:27:48] <_array> hey guys, I've burnt the Solaris ISO's to CD and when I try to boot it drops to a 'grub>' prompt, it doesn't boot the install proccess
[01:28:17] <richlowe> that tends to happen a lot when the download corrupted, or the image corrupted when you burned it.
[01:28:46] <_array> well, when I downloaded the files I used the Sun download manager
[01:28:51] <_array> it downloaded and verified the files
[01:29:05] <_array> it also extracted them from the zip, but I noticed the files didn't have a file extension
[01:29:18] <_array> so I added the .iso on the end so I could burn it
[01:29:27] <jmcp> _array: what command line did you use to put the file segments together, and what command line did you use to burn it?
[01:29:38] <jamesd__> or you didn't build the dvd correctly
[01:29:39] <richlowe> jmcp: the CD images are still segment-per-file, aren't they?
[01:29:44] <_array> jmcp: ahh, they're supposed to be added together?
[01:29:44] <jmcp> I  think so
[01:29:52] <jmcp> ummm
[01:29:53] <richlowe> _array: the CD images aren't, the DVD images are.
[01:29:57] <_array> ahh ok
[01:29:58] <jmcp> for the DVD, they are
[01:30:01] <_array> yes, I've got the DVD images
[01:30:10] <richlowe> _array: ah, sorry, you said CD above.
[01:30:11] <jmcp> righto
[01:30:16] <jmcp> then you need to cat the bits together
[01:30:19] <richlowe> yeah, they're meant to be cat'd end-to-end, then burned.
[01:30:31] <_array> grr, I'm a clown hehe
[01:30:47] <jmcp> hope you used -rw or+rw media then :-)
[01:31:04] <jmcp> though cdr is very cheap these days
[01:33:32] *** jamesd__ is now known as jamesd
[01:33:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd
[01:35:29] <_array> okay cool
[01:35:42] <_array> got it 'copy /b' going, hopefully it works
[01:36:34] *** Marv|LG has joined #opensolaris
[01:36:38] *** binarycrusader has quit IRC
[01:36:58] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris
[01:39:26] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[01:39:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[01:42:11] *** binarycrusader has joined #opensolaris
[01:45:42] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[01:46:06] *** trisk__ has joined #opensolaris
[01:50:32] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[01:52:06] *** Chihan has quit IRC
[01:59:15] *** Pietro_S has quit IRC
[02:00:18] <CIA-25> prabahar: 6519314 acl not being set properly
[02:00:58] <nrubsig> Gman: ping!
[02:01:09] <nrubsig> Gman: the software you ordered is ready.
[02:01:29] <Gman> yeah, i saw that
[02:01:30] <Gman> rad
[02:01:33] <Gman> though i haven't tried it
[02:01:39] <binarycrusader> what software? :P
[02:01:43] <Gman> i need to download and update my snv
[02:01:48] <binarycrusader> ah
[02:02:06] <Gman> nrubsig, now we need to slap a gui around it
[02:02:34] <richlowe> So, does this software come with a secret handshake, or is that stuff implied? :)
[02:02:37] <Gman> and you will be a hero among men
[02:02:46] <jbk> no email support? :)
[02:03:05] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: is this the twitter thing you were working on?
[02:03:09] <nrubsig> Gman: well, for now it only allows to push messages to twigger.com and that's it, but I can add more stuff if anyone is actually using it...
[02:03:21] <richlowe> You *really* need to name that script 'shitter'
[02:03:22] <nrubsig> binarycrusader: yes.
[02:03:24] <richlowe> the pun is a moral imperative.
[02:03:26] <Gman> nrubsig, it's a great idea though, so thank you for doing it
[02:03:44] <nrubsig> Gman: http://twitter.com/syslog_sxb72x86
[02:03:47] <richlowe> Gman: it's a security issue waiting to happen, if you mean pushing the logs.
[02:04:58] <Gman> richlowe, i don't personally care about the log stuff
[02:05:12] <Gman> (and i don't know why you'd want to do that, but that's just me)
[02:05:21] <nrubsig> richlowe: it's a demo for HTTP POST with application/x-www-form-urlencoded and HTTP BASIC auth and that's all.
[02:05:30] <richlowe> nrubsig: ah.
[02:06:05] <nrubsig> Gman: I have no clue either but it was the only interesting thing I could quickly hatch.
[02:06:16] <dwc-> from what? ksh?
[02:06:19] <Gman> nrubsig, ;)
[02:06:45] <Gman> nrubsig, if you had a blog people would read it and start using it :)
[02:06:45] <nrubsig> dwc-: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/sysadmin-discuss/2007-September/001623.html
[02:07:28] <nrubsig> Gman: maybe some day I get a job and get a blog there, too.
[02:07:29] <dwc-> lol...
[02:07:30] <Tempt> nrubsig: I'd be happy to host a blog for you.
[02:08:07] <dwc-> are webpages to web 0.9 for the new blogging generation?
[02:08:19] <Tempt> Apparently so.
[02:08:33] *** Trisk[laptop] has quit IRC
[02:08:36] <Tempt> Maintaining static pages also takes work, compared to using a blog or CMS to build sites quickly.
[02:08:39] <nrubsig> Tempt: thanks... bu right now I am trying to avoid the blogging stuff for now.
[02:08:48] <Tempt> I'd rather be writing content than fiddling with bloody HTML crap.
[02:09:01] <dwc-> html? something wrong with text/plain ?
[02:09:03] <nrubsig> Tempt: most CMS stuff is crap...
[02:09:06] <Tempt> nrubsig: Yes, well, if you ever just need to get an article out there you're welcome to post it on www2.purplecow.org
[02:11:03] <dlg> ola
[02:14:01] <jmcp> alo
[02:14:17] <dlg> hey, whats up?
[02:14:21] <jmcp> not much, really
[02:14:30] <jmcp> going through jbk's libdisasm differences
[02:14:43] <jmcp> waiting for Beijing to come online so I can talk to my colleagues
[02:14:45] <binarycrusader> It's pretty exciting to see someone replace libdisasm.
[02:14:50] <jmcp> yeah, it sure is
[02:14:59] <jmcp> and it's very interesting to see what differences there are
[02:15:18] <binarycrusader> From what I've read, it will actually improve upon some areas by making some much needed updates.
[02:15:33] <jbk> well it should fix several long-standing bugs
[02:15:36] <richlowe> I'd give that a firm "yes"
[02:15:45] <jbk> and hopefully not introduce any new ones :)
[02:15:48] <binarycrusader> :)
[02:16:16] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC
[02:16:40] <richlowe> jmcp: it's probably even more interesting when you can see both sides.
[02:16:48] <jmcp> jbk: those bugs which you emailed me ..... goly
[02:16:49] <jmcp> golly
[02:16:51] <jmcp> some of them are very old
[02:18:00] <binarycrusader> Speaking of old bugs...I'm working on one in exrecover right now that has been there since at least SunOS 3.5 :P
[02:18:07] <jmcp> general announcement ::: if you use dlg's "mfi" driver for a megaraid sas card, please let me know about it via   http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/roller/jmcp/entry/20070916#comments
[02:18:10] <jbk> haha
[02:20:31] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris
[02:21:44] <Tempt> exrecover
[02:21:45] <Tempt> a popular tool.
[02:21:50] *** nathank has joined #opensolaris
[02:22:08] <Tempt> then again, how many years did it take before vi no longer whined about too many columns? :)
[02:24:00] <dlg> too many
[02:24:09] *** unixware has joined #opensolaris
[02:24:31] *** preek has quit IRC
[02:24:38] <unixware> hi dudes and dudettes too
[02:25:10] <Tempt> dlg: I'd swear they were trying to build a userbase for vim ;)
[02:25:37] <dlg> Tempt: heh
[02:25:58] <dlg> never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence
[02:26:09] <Tempt> or laziness
[02:26:50] <dlg> that too
[02:28:00] *** sibikos has quit IRC
[02:28:37] <binarycrusader> oh the joys and dangers of pointer arithmetic
[02:29:06] <binarycrusader> I'll never forget the first time I did pointer arithmetic years ago thinking how much time it would save me and how it was much easier than assembler.
[02:29:23] * dlg wave his hand dismissively
[02:29:24] <binarycrusader> Then I wrote my first few lines of code that didn't work because I relied on it, and cursed the day I learned it :P
[02:30:23] <binarycrusader> dlg, given your background I suspect you're one up on me in many areas ;}
[02:31:14] <dlg> pointer arith is ok
[02:31:20] <dlg> using array notation is generally clearer though
[02:32:08] <nrubsig> binarycrusader: you're complaining about pointer arithmetrics ?
[02:32:32] <nrubsig> binarycrusader: wanna see "nameref" variables and all their possible fun ?
[02:32:52] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: a ksh93 feature I take it?
[02:33:17] <richlowe> what you need is locatives, though at least you can't do math on them.
[02:34:17] <nrubsig> binarycrusader: yes, technically very flexible since you can pass any string to a nameref (like $ nameref x=foo[15] # and then use "x" as alias for "foo[15]"). However you have to realign your mind a bit if you have arrays with more than one dimension or compound variables.
[02:34:38] <richlowe> that's pretty close to a locative, actually.
[02:34:53] <binarycrusader> Joyous.
[02:34:56] *** simford has joined #opensolaris
[02:35:03] <nrubsig> binarycrusader: see http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/xmldocumenttree1.ksh , function "handle_document"
[02:36:51] *** trisk__ has quit IRC
[02:36:54] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: reminds me a lot of perl's references
[02:39:01] <nrubsig> BTW: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/svcproptree1.ksh is something for SMF lovers.
[02:39:13] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:40:38] *** andy_ has quit IRC
[02:40:48] *** Andy_Pease has joined #opensolaris
[02:44:24] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris
[02:44:28] <_array> guys, what does it mean when an install is sitting on "Reading ZFS config: done."
[02:44:31] <nrubsig> (and sample output is http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/raw/700192=
[02:44:34] <nrubsig> er
[02:44:37] <nrubsig> (and sample output is http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/raw/700192)
[02:46:22] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[02:48:41] *** newpers has joined #opensolaris
[02:50:20] <newpers> i'm interested in using an opensolaris as a desktop solution.  i'm not familiar with opensolaris or its hardware support, but is it not something that I should consider if I need to support my nvidia geforce 6800 card?
[02:50:37] <binarycrusader> Your 6800 should be supported "out-of-the-box"
[02:50:47] <newpers> binarycrusader: thanks.  and wow
[02:51:21] <jmcp> newpers: if you're familiar with gnome on linux/*bsd... then it should be an easy transition to Solaris
[02:51:39] <binarycrusader> BSD users will have the easiest go of things.
[02:51:53] <dlg> cos we're smarter?
[02:51:54] <dlg> ;)
[02:52:09] <newpers> heh
[02:52:11] <jmcp> hippie
[02:52:16] <newpers> is nexenta something i should look at?
[02:52:21] <binarycrusader> Sure.
[02:52:27] <binarycrusader> If you like Debian, you'll probably love Nexenta.
[02:52:39] <binarycrusader> Belenix is great to try too.
[02:52:50] <newpers> i thought belenix was only a live cd?
[02:53:00] <binarycrusader> Nope, it has an install option, though that is rough around the edges.
[02:53:18] <newpers> which do you use, binarycrusader?
[02:53:37] <binarycrusader> I use Solaris Express Community Edition build 72 at the moment, but that's because I'm making changes which I plan on having integrated into ONNV.
[02:53:48] <newpers> :)
[02:53:51] <victori_> DBI+solaris perl+cc? anyone have any luck with it?
[02:54:04] <binarycrusader> newpers: If you're just planning on using OpenSolaris, I recommend Nexenta or Belenix if you're a beginner.
[02:54:36] <newpers> one more question.  which has the most packages?  and which has the most current packages?
[02:54:39] <newpers> that may be two questions
[02:54:42] <binarycrusader> newpers: Nexenta
[02:54:47] *** jamesd has quit IRC
[02:54:50] <binarycrusader> newpers: at last check anyway
[02:55:03] <binarycrusader> newpers: Nexent has 12,222 in their repository at the moemnt
[02:55:12] <binarycrusader> err..Nexenta
[02:56:32] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[02:57:53] <newpers> hmm.. the nexenta site seems to be broken:  i can't search for packages
[02:58:12] <binarycrusader> Yep, hrm.
[02:58:23] *** unixware has left #opensolaris
[02:59:02] <binarycrusader> newpers: They just finished migrating to a new domain in August, there may be some pages left uncorrected.
[02:59:31] <binarycrusader> newpers: you might try joining #gnusol and seeing if there's anyone there that can help you
[02:59:50] <binarycrusader> newpers: or their forums ( http://www.nexenta.org/os/Forums )
[03:00:23] <_array> guys, what does it mean when an install is sitting on "Reading ZFS config: done."
[03:01:11] <binarycrusader> _array: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/zfs/zfs_main.c#2782
[03:01:37] <binarycrusader> _array: it means that zfs has finished getting the list of datasets to mount
[03:01:51] <binarycrusader> _array: and that the utility was started in verbose mode
[03:01:58] <binarycrusader> _array: beyond that, not much
[03:06:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta
[03:07:07] <newpers> ok, one more question.  what about belenix packages.  where can i browse them?
[03:07:33] <binarycrusader> http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=packages
[03:08:20] <_array> binarycrusader: why would an install sit on that? shouldn't it move onto the installation proccess
[03:08:38] <binarycrusader> _array: that I can't answer, it could be for any number of reasons
[03:08:47] <binarycrusader> _array: you would need to find out where's it "hanging" at
[03:08:57] <binarycrusader> _array: I suspect it is something to do with it trying to find the install media
[03:09:00] <binarycrusader> _array: or the like
[03:09:05] <binarycrusader> _array: what version are you trying to install?
[03:09:22] <binarycrusader> _array: Solaris 10 Update 4? Solaris Express Community Release b72?
[03:09:46] <jmcp> good morning Tpenta
[03:09:59] <Tpenta> james
[03:10:11] <_array> oo, an error popped up: svc,startd[7]: svc:/system/postrun:default: Method "/var/lib/postrun/postrun-runq" failed due to signal KILL.
[03:10:35] <binarycrusader> _array: unfortunately, that doesn't tell me anything, but maybe someone else can help
[03:11:01] <binarycrusader> _array: is through vmware by chance?
[03:11:12] <_array> binarycrusader: well, I'm installing solaris x86 on a spare machine I have so I can setup a jumpstart server so I can install Solaris on my Netra T1 (it doesn't have a CDROM)
[03:11:26] <binarycrusader> _array: Is this S10u4 or SXCEb72?
[03:12:16] <_array> sol-nv-b72-x86
[03:12:19] <_array> b72?
[03:12:28] <jmcp> yup
[03:12:38] <binarycrusader> _array: Which boot option did you choose? Developer Edition or the other one?
[03:12:50] <_array> I chose the normal "Solaris" edition
[03:12:54] <_array> not the developer
[03:13:17] <binarycrusader> _array: Is this system SATA or IDE based?
[03:13:35] <_array> IDE
[03:13:47] <binarycrusader> _array: How much memory?
[03:14:08] <_array> 256mb
[03:14:22] <binarycrusader> _array: Oooh, that might be a problem.
[03:14:35] <_array> damn!
[03:14:42] <binarycrusader> _array: I don't know if they've fixed the regression in memory requirements yet.
[03:15:04] * binarycrusader looks around
[03:15:30] <_array> if this is an issue, my only other option is to buy a USB dvdrom to hook into the netra?
[03:15:41] <dlg> i dont know if a t1 has usb
[03:15:54] <binarycrusader> _array: until they fix it, or you upgrade the memory, probably
[03:16:05] <_array> I just checked the back
[03:16:08] <_array> it has a USB port
[03:16:15] <_array> will it pick it up right away?
[03:17:02] <binarycrusader> _array: yep, looks like starting w/ b70 there was a regression in memory requirements
[03:17:04] <binarycrusader> _array: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=151338
[03:17:21] <binarycrusader> but that was supposedly fixed in a respin of b70
[03:17:24] <binarycrusader> so I'm not sure what's going on
[03:17:29] *** newpers has left #opensolaris
[03:17:38] <_array> I'm trying now to boot with Developer Edition
[03:17:48] *** BatonT has joined #opensolaris
[03:17:49] <_array> I wish there was a Solaris LiveCD :P
[03:18:08] <e^ipi> there are a couple
[03:18:16] <e^ipi> belenix, for example
[03:18:27] <_array> coild that be an alternative to get a jumpstart server running?
[03:18:33] <_array> could*
[03:19:30] <e^ipi> as a livecd, dunno
[03:19:33] *** Sup3rkiddo has quit IRC
[03:19:34] <e^ipi> but I don't see why not
[03:19:52] <e^ipi> jumpstart is bootp, tftp & NFS
[03:20:25] <_array> is jumpstart difficult to setup?
[03:21:29] <e^ipi> I used JET to do it, it was a breeze
[03:21:30] <hile_> ot just install everything, no
[03:21:45] <hile_> to get all of your personal customisations in, that's a bit more difficult
[03:21:55] <binarycrusader> _array: maybe this is what you're looking for http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/belenix-discuss/2007-July/000153.html
[03:22:07] <binarycrusader> _array: not exactly step-by-step, but looks similar to what you want to do
[03:22:37] <binarycrusader> _array: this might be useful too: http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/07/jumpstart-links.html
[03:23:22] <victori_> which solaris package has glib2?
[03:23:27] <victori_> sunwglib is 1.x
[03:23:38] <_array> binarycrusader: thanks alot for all your help dude, you've been very helpful
[03:23:46] <binarycrusader> _array: no worries
[03:24:16] <_array> binarycrusader: I think the way I'm going to tackle this is though, I'm going to run down to the store and purchase an external usb dvdrom
[03:24:29] <binarycrusader> _array: I just hope that doesn't end in sadness for some other reason
[03:24:39] <binarycrusader> _array: you might talk to dclarke before you run off and do that
[03:24:48] <binarycrusader> _array: I know he has a netra t1 and would probably know if that works or the best way to do it
[03:24:56] <binarycrusader> _array: then again, if you can't wait, do what you gotta do :)
[03:25:39] <binarycrusader> victori_: what version of solaris?
[03:25:43] <victori_> 11
[03:25:47] <victori_> I think i got it
[03:25:48] <binarycrusader> victori_: sxce b72?
[03:25:51] <victori_> sunwgnome-base-libs*
[03:25:52] <victori_> yes
[03:26:09] <_array> I asked in #solaris if anyone else has a Netra just to be sure, it's not mission critical, I just want to get it going so I can start learning Sun
[03:26:10] <binarycrusader> Yep, that's it.
[03:26:18] <victori_> $hate solaris' archaic package management
[03:26:35] <binarycrusader> victori_: eh, you haven't used Slackware GNU/Linux lately have you? :P
[03:26:50] <victori_> binarycrusader: I am a bit spoiled with  debian/freebsd
[03:26:55] <binarycrusader> victory_: yep
[03:27:05] <victori_> or even portage which isn't too bad
[03:27:09] <binarycrusader> victori_: easiest way to find packages is to just grep /var/sadm/install/contents
[03:27:18] <victori_> ah thanks
[03:27:19] <binarycrusader> victori_: it's a hack, but it works well for me
[03:27:51] <victori_> you don't happen to know why DBI perl module fails with perlio recursion?
[03:28:03] <victori_> pretty made my server a dud with catalyst/perl serving
[03:28:10] <binarycrusader> victori_: no, but I've learned over the years that threaded perl builds are teh suck
[03:28:17] <victori_> yes well known
[03:28:28] <victori_> threaded perl takes more ram and is slower
[03:29:38] <binarycrusader> victori_: ah ha
[03:29:41] <victori_> just wish solaris could compile anything C related
[03:29:44] <binarycrusader> victori_: how did you build dbi?
[03:29:45] <victori_> from cpan*
[03:29:50] <binarycrusader> victori_: using gcc or Sun Studio?
[03:29:51] <victori_> cpan -i DBI
[03:29:56] <victori_> with sunpro tools installed
[03:30:01] <binarycrusader> victori_: that doesn't mean much
[03:30:11] <victori_> how so?
[03:30:35] <binarycrusader> victori_: meaning it could have used gcc
[03:30:40] <binarycrusader> victori_: it must be built with the same compiler as perl
[03:30:48] <victori_> perl was compiled solaris' cc
[03:30:52] <binarycrusader> victori_: you'll likely get that error if they aren't
[03:30:54] <victori_> perl -V confirmed
[03:31:01] <binarycrusader> victori_: yes, but did you confirm what compiler compiled dbi
[03:31:09] <victori_> yes
[03:31:12] <victori_> it uses CC
[03:31:24] <victori_> all cpan mods check against check.pm
[03:31:29] <victori_> err config.pm
[03:31:51] <binarycrusader> victori_: what version of DBI?
[03:32:06] <victori_> 1.54 the recommended
[03:32:11] <victori_> and 1.59 the newest
[03:32:18] <victori_> both fail
[03:32:28] <victori_> same exact issue
[03:32:55] <binarycrusader> victori_: you're using studio 12 then?
[03:33:04] <victori_> correct
[03:33:08] <binarycrusader> victori_: did you try using studio 11?
[03:33:19] <binarycrusader> victori_: do you know if the coolstack stuff was compiled with studio 11 or studio 12?
[03:33:21] <victori_> studio 12 is recommend for x86 since 11 has some issues supposedly
[03:33:24] <victori_> I have read the docs
[03:33:45] <binarycrusader> victori_: well, I have no answers then, but it's probably compiler related
[03:33:56] <binarycrusader> victori_: everytime I've seen a similar error with dbi it's been compiler related
[03:33:58] <victori_> hard to tell since perl -V does not state
[03:34:04] <victori_> it is
[03:34:20] <victori_> all C related cpan mods fail
[03:34:40] <victori_> well ill give studio 11 a try
[03:34:42] <victori_> what the hell
[03:35:02] <binarycrusader> victori_: the notes I find say that coolstack was compiled with studio 11
[03:35:14] <victori_> and in the faq they mention to use 12
[03:35:16] <victori_> for dbi
[03:36:21] <binarycrusader> victori_: hrm, what I see on the web is confusing, I see claims that the sparc version was compiled with studio 11 and the x86 version with gcc
[03:37:02] <victori_> well on the bright side performance with catalyst/perl is 39% faster under solaris
[03:37:16] <victori_> than with freebsd-6.2
[03:37:27] <victori_> its CC since it uses sunpro args
[03:38:24] <binarycrusader> victori_: yes, try studio 11, make sure it's fully patched though
[03:38:34] <victori_> *sigh* ill try
[03:38:43] <binarycrusader> victori_: http://www.codefund.com/513/using-perl-modules-with-cool-tools-5135030.shtm
[03:42:41] *** Gman has quit IRC
[03:43:54] <victori_> ya seen that
[03:43:56] *** Jondice has quit IRC
[03:47:31] *** halton has joined #opensolaris
[03:54:04] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[03:59:32] * binarycrusader gnashes his teeth a bit
[03:59:47] <binarycrusader> This should have been a simple bug to fix in exrecover, but no, I just had to realise it was all wrong.
[03:59:52] * dlg look bored
[04:00:20] <CIA-25> gtb: 6573019 mit 1.4 sub-glue layer resync (fix cstyle)
[04:00:37] *** nathank has quit IRC
[04:11:35] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris
[04:13:08] *** Doc has quit IRC
[04:13:50] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris
[04:19:15] *** chrisso has joined #opensolaris
[04:30:57] *** blueandwhiteg3 has joined #opensolaris
[04:31:49] <blueandwhiteg3> I need to update the PATH variable (for root) with all the oddball paths solaris uses for binaries.... does anybody know these offhand?
[04:32:43] <victori_> blueandwhiteg3: vipw  to /usr/bin/bash for root
[04:32:48] <victori_> touch ~/.bashrc
[04:32:57] <victori_> well that is how I do it
[04:33:08] <blueandwhiteg3> victori_: thanks, one moment
[04:33:32] <victori_> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sfw/bin  etc
[04:33:39] <victori_> in that /.bashrc
[04:34:52] <binarycrusader> nrubsig: you here?
[04:35:14] *** hile_ has quit IRC
[04:35:14] <victori_> anyway color me unimpressed with solaris' userland ;-/
[04:35:30] <binarycrusader> victori_: it's not supposed to be impressive, it's supposed to be backwards compatible :D
[04:35:35] <binarycrusader> victori_: I joke, I joke
[04:35:47] <victori_> the pkg management is really killing me
[04:35:56] <binarycrusader> victori_: you may find this useful then
[04:36:03] <victori_> gnome lib deps for hal/dbus is uncool
[04:36:04] <binarycrusader> victori_: http://icculus.org/~eviltypeguy/pkg/
[04:36:32] <binarycrusader> victori_: the gnutopkg script in there will turn just about any automake based thing into a solaris package, I created it from a version Philip Brown wrote
[04:36:42] <victori_> nice
[04:37:05] <binarycrusader> victori_: (http://www.bolthole.com/)
[04:37:11] <victori_> I should of used bootstart (is that the correct term?) to install solaris without all this cruft
[04:37:18] <binarycrusader> victori_: nah
[04:37:23] <binarycrusader> victori_: anything but a full install is a bad idea
[04:37:38] <victori_> oh yes I need firefox for my server!
[04:37:39] <binarycrusader> victori_: at the moment, many things will break for unexplained reasons if you don't know how everything ties together
[04:37:51] <binarycrusader> victori_: the hal/dbus issue is because of who delivers the package
[04:38:00] <binarycrusader> victori_: there's been talk of seprating them out
[04:38:19] <binarycrusader> victori_: yes, it's unpleasant, but for now, that's how it is...
[04:38:34] <victori_> would be nice for a "server" install in the installation option
[04:38:49] <victori_> avoiding CDE/GNOME , sure have X11 for java but avoid the rest
[04:38:55] <binarycrusader> victori_: look for project indiana to help in this area
[04:39:07] <victori_> well I am still getting my feet wet with solaris
[04:39:18] <binarycrusader> victori_: they must be very wet right now :}
[04:39:38] <binarycrusader> victori_: perhaps I can interest you in some fishing waders?
[04:39:47] <victori_> heh
[04:40:27] <victori_> but ya solaris is an interesting server option with dtrace + zones
[04:40:48] <binarycrusader> victori_: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=133744&#133744
[04:40:54] <binarycrusader> victori_: there's your answer to the dbus/hal thing
[04:40:54] <victori_> right now I have freebsd servers which are having disk contention and I can't seem to pinpoint what is causing the io havok
[04:40:59] <victori_> dtrace kicks ass for that
[04:41:16] <victori_> or it could be vmstat being faulty
[04:42:56] <blueandwhiteg3> victori_: What did you mean by "vipw  to /usr/bin/bash for root"
[04:43:14] <victori_> change the root's default shell
[04:43:15] <victori_> with vipw
[04:43:30] <victori_> bash > whatever is offered by default
[04:43:42] <blueandwhiteg3> what is vipw?
[04:43:49] <blueandwhiteg3> where is vipw?
[04:43:53] <e^ipi> victori_: try ksh93
[04:43:54] <victori_> program to edit your passwd safely
[04:44:30] <blueandwhiteg3> it's not in pkg-get either
[04:44:38] <jbk> why vipw?
[04:44:49] <e^ipi> the version that ships with recent versions of nevada has tab completion, which is really the only bash feature people actually seem to want
[04:45:00] <jbk> i think usermod allows you to do it, i think it just now spits out a warning if you're logged in as root
[04:45:11] <binarycrusader> yes, usermod does
[04:45:13] <binarycrusader> usermod -s
[04:45:20] *** gdamore has left #opensolaris
[04:45:22] <jbk> yeah, i switch root's shell to ksh93, and so far, no issues
[04:45:27] <binarycrusader> Same here.
[04:45:43] <binarycrusader> Although ksh93's tab completion is still a bit off for me.
[04:45:52] <binarycrusader> Though I already like it better in some ways (the completion by number thing is great).
[04:46:17] <victori_> I find vipw easier to use, its a bit more straight forward than usermod
[04:46:27] <binarycrusader> and I find that I am frequently trying to use ^R to search through my shell history.
[04:46:30] <victori_> specifically the vi part ;-)
[04:46:31] <binarycrusader> sigh
[04:46:36] <binarycrusader> victori_: :)
[04:47:25] <victori_> binarycrusader: what is the preferred method of updating sxce?
[04:47:32] <binarycrusader> victori_: updating?
[04:47:41] <victori_> kernel+userland
[04:47:43] <binarycrusader> victori_: if you're talking about something like apt-get, it doesn't exist (yet)
[04:47:54] <binarycrusader> victori_: if you're talking about upgrading, then 1) download new iso 2) run upgrade
[04:48:06] <e^ipi> victori_: you can liveupgrade, upgrade w/ the CD, you can BFU
[04:48:10] <blueandwhiteg3> example syntax for usermod?  usermod -s /usr/bin/bash yeilds "UX: usermod: ERROR: Invalid syntax."
[04:48:11] <e^ipi> there are tons of ways
[04:48:20] <binarycrusader> victori_: if you're talking about building from source bfu
[04:48:46] <e^ipi> though BFU obliterates the package database, so it's not recommended if you want to use other upgrade methods in the future
[04:48:57] <e^ipi> binarycrusader: BFU archives are offered in the normal places
[04:49:00] <binarycrusader> victori_: liveupgrade is the easiest if you just want to use an iso to upgrade
[04:49:05] <binarycrusader> e^ipi: i know
[04:49:10] <e^ipi> no need to compile if you don't want to-
[04:49:11] *** Trisk[laptop] has quit IRC
[04:49:23] <binarycrusader> e^ipi: right, I just haven't used that method in a while
[04:49:41] <victori_> ya but will it comply to my pkg selection? or will it install gnome all over again?
[04:49:56] <binarycrusader> hrm, that's a good question
[04:50:02] <binarycrusader> I suspect it will install gnome all over again though :}
[04:50:04] <e^ipi> victori_:  it will destroy the package database. All you get from BFU is the ON consoldation
[04:50:13] <binarycrusader> e^ipi: no, I think she's asking about upgrade/liveupgrade
[04:50:16] <binarycrusader> err...he/she
[04:50:18] <binarycrusader> :P
[04:50:31] <e^ipi> oh, you mean regular liveupgrade... IIRC it's package based
[04:50:42] <e^ipi> so if you don't have a package installed, it won't try to upgrade it
[04:50:43] <binarycrusader> e^ipi: I just can't remember if new packages get added by default
[04:50:52] <victori_> its "he"  victor is the first name, I is my last initial
[04:51:02] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[04:51:20] <binarycrusader> victori_: all I can say is that you're in for a long hard road if you try to customise the packages too much
[04:51:28] <binarycrusader> victori_: at least for now anyway
[04:52:23] <victori_> I suppose your right, next update or install I am not going to bother
[04:52:35] <e^ipi> harddrive space is cheap
[04:52:48] <e^ipi> the extra 1 or 2 gb you save will cost you a grand total of about 3 cents
[04:53:09] <victori_> I just don't want my zones to be 5 gigs
[04:53:19] <victori_> since they get cloned from global
[04:53:22] <e^ipi> victori_: so make them sparse zones
[04:53:41] <blueandwhiteg3> anybody on proper use of usermod to change the shell of root?
[04:53:44] <victori_> sparse zones as linked back to globa for usr?
[04:53:49] <binarycrusader> victori_: yep
[04:53:52] <e^ipi> yes
[04:53:54] <victori_> blueandwhiteg3: vipw
[04:54:07] <blueandwhiteg3> # vipw
[04:54:08] <blueandwhiteg3> bash: vipw: command not found
[04:54:08] <victori_> or man usermod
[04:54:15] <victori_>  /usr/ucb/vipw
[04:54:20] <e^ipi> especially helpful if you use ZFS
[04:54:35] <e^ipi> that way all the stuff that's copied over is just running off a single snapshot until it changes
[04:54:46] <victori_> e^ipi: well isn't the point of zones to have a segregated environment
[04:54:47] <blueandwhiteg3> what other paths should i have? i cannot recall all the secret paths i setup last time
[04:54:52] <binarycrusader> victori_: I would advise you to make sure that /usr/ucb is the last item in your path
[04:55:05] <e^ipi> victori_: yes, and the kernel segregates it just fine
[04:55:06] <binarycrusader> blueandwhiteg3: this is my PATH /opt/onbld/bin:/opt/onbld/bin/i386:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/contrib/vim/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/export/home/swalker/bin:/etc:.
[04:55:09] <victori_> for example I use my freebsd jails across servers to have a consistent environment
[04:55:24] <e^ipi> why bother having 2 copies of a file when they don't change anyways?
[04:55:37] <e^ipi> segregate the zones so they can't overwrite it, and be happy
[04:55:41] <binarycrusader> blueandwhiteg3: ignore the onbld entries unless you plan on building opensolaris from source ;}
[04:55:53] <victori_> e^ipi: I upgrade some perl cpan modules I don't want it propagting down to a stable amavisd/spamassasin mail zone
[04:56:02] <e^ipi> they won't
[04:56:06] <binarycrusader> blueandwhiteg3: don't forget your manpath too: /usr/man:/usr/sfw/man:/opt/SUNWspro/man:/opt/SUNWspro/contrib/vim/man:/usr/X11/man:/usr/dt/man:/usr/openwin/man:/etc:.:/usr/sfw/man:/usr/X11/man:/usr/openwin/man
[04:56:07] <victori_> ?
[04:56:12] <e^ipi> not unless you do it in the global zone
[04:56:20] <victori_> exactly
[04:56:23] <binarycrusader> blueandwhiteg3: sorry about some of the duplication :}
[04:56:33] <victori_> I want to upgrade global all I want, and have zones for stable services
[04:56:46] <e^ipi> and like I said earlier, if you have > 1 zone, you can choose to copy /usr over just once
[04:56:47] <binarycrusader> victori_: it's usually the other way around
[04:57:08] <e^ipi> and then run all your zones off a ZFS snapshot
[04:57:11] <victori_> how can you check if you have a sparse zone?
[04:57:15] <e^ipi> so they'll all use the same files, unless they change
[04:57:42] <e^ipi> when they change, the new copy is assigned to whichever zone's filesystem that changed
[04:59:19] <blueandwhiteg3> now, where is smbadd supposed to be located?
[04:59:44] <jbk> probably somewhere in /usr/sfw
[04:59:51] <binarycrusader> it's not
[05:00:12] <binarycrusader> I don't think it's shipped
[05:00:17] <blueandwhiteg3> i see all the other smb stuffs, but not smbadd
[05:01:15] <blueandwhiteg3> i guess we just use smbpasswd -a
[05:10:06] *** BatonT has quit IRC
[05:12:12] <blueandwhiteg3> i still never figured out where vipw hides out, i want to change the default shell for root
[05:12:17] <binarycrusader> /usr/ucb/vipw
[05:13:14] <blueandwhiteg3> is it not editable by default?
[05:13:40] <binarycrusader> ?
[05:13:52] <binarycrusader> /etc/passwd?
[05:17:23] <jmcp> blueandwhiteg3: /usr/bin/vi /etc/passwd    ?
[05:17:32] <blueandwhiteg3> i got it
[05:18:21] <binarycrusader> anyone here have experience in generating a webrev?
[05:18:29] <binarycrusader> i have a change I wanted to post for review
[05:18:48] *** Bart_M has quit IRC
[05:18:49] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris
[05:18:52] <sommerfeld> I create webrevs all the itme.
[05:19:23] *** zebra has quit IRC
[05:19:26] <binarycrusader> I have my hg checkout of the source with my changes, where do I go from there?
[05:19:40] *** zebra has joined #opensolaris
[05:20:08] <johnlev> binarycrusader: you need to use onnv-scm's webrev. then you just do "ws onnv-gate.hg ; webrev"
[05:20:35] <binarycrusader> ah
[05:21:24] <binarycrusader> hrm, looks like it requires special knobs and switches to be set, joy
[05:21:49] <binarycrusader> that looks teamware-centric
[05:22:29] <johnlev> huh?
[05:22:38] <binarycrusader> maybe just misleading help output
[05:22:53] <johnlev> like I said, no switches needed.
[05:23:10] <binarycrusader> it does appear to expect certain environment variables though
[05:23:27] <johnlev> yes, all as set by 'ws'.
[05:23:40] <binarycrusader> which I'm not using
[05:23:51] * johnlev boggles
[05:24:10] <binarycrusader> I'm not a Sun employee, so I'm just building this using nightly from a source checkout
[05:24:35] <johnlev> don't complain about having to set knobs and switches if you decide not to use the tools that mean you don't need to.
[05:24:54] <jmcp> why is Brian Aker trying to build libdtrace with automangler and libtool ?
[05:25:03] <binarycrusader> johnlev: I have no problems with doing so, but I guess I was under the mistaken impression that most of those tools were still intended to be internal
[05:25:13] <binarycrusader> johnlev: I guess it's time to update my knowledge :)
[05:25:14] <johnlev> binarycrusader: ah. no, not at all.
[05:25:25] <victori_> binarycrusader: your building solaris from source?
[05:25:27] <johnlev> binarycrusader: they are intended for all ON developers, and many of them for even wider audiences
[05:25:31] <binarycrusader> johnlev: the last time I looked at the devref was when opensolaris.org was first launched
[05:25:50] <victori_> binarycrusader: just curious does the source include all the gnome/gnu stuff as well? or its just the very base userland/kernel?
[05:26:15] <binarycrusader> victori_: all the gnome/gnu stuff, it's available from various consolidations at various places
[05:26:23] <binarycrusader> victori_: i'm just working with the ON consolidation
[05:26:40] <binarycrusader> johnlev: excuse me while I go RTFM
[05:26:44] <binarycrusader> johnlev: :)
[05:27:20] <johnlev> sure :)
[05:27:43] <johnlev> binarycrusader: just remember to use onnv-scm bits otherwise things won't work at all...
[05:27:43] <jbk> there's not one single master source repository for everything that's 'solaris' or sxce -- the core OS + userland is ON, there's nws which has a lot of the storage stuff, there's jds which has the desktop stuff (i'm making some broad generalizations for the more pedantic)
[05:28:06] <binarycrusader> johnlev: I am, I did set my build environment using bldenv -d opensolaris.sh
[05:28:18] <binarycrusader> johnlev: so the webrev in my path is that in ws/usr/src/tools..
[05:28:28] <johnlev> oh, your tree is onnv-scm based/
[05:28:29] <johnlev> ?
[05:28:39] <binarycrusader> johnlev: yep
[05:28:44] <johnlev> ok
[05:29:17] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris
[05:29:34] <e^ipi> heh, espresso is going to cost me my damage deposit
[05:29:37] <binarycrusader> johnlev: hrm...docs are out of date "CODEMGR_WS...a workspace that does not use TeamWare does not need this variable"
[05:30:39] <johnlev> binarycrusader: the devref?
[05:30:43] <binarycrusader> johnlev: yes
[05:30:54] <johnlev> binarycrusader: well, the onnv-scm bits aren't in Nevada yet. so it's kind of unclear what to document
[05:31:07] <binarycrusader> johnlev: no worries
[05:32:14] <binarycrusader> oh wait, CODEMGR_WS is set
[05:32:16] <binarycrusader> bldenv set it
[05:32:25] <binarycrusader> the error from webrev was misleading
[05:35:51] <binarycrusader> johnlev: it would appear it expects teamware no matter what
[05:35:56] <e^ipi> take that, landlord
[05:36:11] <binarycrusader> johnlev: even the code in webrev only seems to look for teamware
[05:36:14] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris
[05:36:43] <johnlev> binarycrusader: you're looking at the wrong webrev somehow then
[05:36:49] <binarycrusader> /opt/onbld/bin/webrev ?
[05:37:01] <binarycrusader> usr/src/tools/proto/opt/onbld/bin/webrev
[05:37:10] <johnlev> sure.
[05:37:12] <binarycrusader> both have no mention of "hg", only teamware
[05:37:32] <johnlev> then I'll repeat myself one last time: you need the onnv-scm bits.
[05:37:43] *** eboutilier has quit IRC
[05:38:00] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris
[05:38:09] <binarycrusader> johnlev: okay, I assumed that I already had them as part of onbld, etc.
[05:38:18] <binarycrusader> johnlev: i didn't realise that was a completely separate thing
[05:38:43] <johnlev> right, that's why I mentioned it :)
[05:39:03] <binarycrusader> johnlev: yes, but I didn't make the connection until now, call me an idiot if you will, you wouldn't be far off
[05:40:27] *** eboutilier has quit IRC
[05:42:37] <binarycrusader> johnlev: found it hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/scm-migration/onnv-scm
[05:42:40] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris
[05:42:41] <binarycrusader> johnlev: thanks, sorry again
[05:45:57] <johnlev> binarycrusader: no problem.
[05:48:52] <victori_> can you convert a sparse zone to a full fledged zone?
[05:49:15] <e^ipi> why would you want to?
[05:49:30] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC
[05:49:49] <victori_> e^ipi:  /usr differences
[05:50:03] <e^ipi> once again, why would you want to ?
[05:50:07] <e^ipi> put it on ZFS
[05:50:16] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris
[05:50:21] <e^ipi> if /usr changes, then ZFS will take care of it
[05:50:26] <e^ipi> like so...
[05:50:40] <e^ipi> zone 1 and zone 2 have a copy of /usr/local/etc/blah.cfg
[05:50:41] <victori_> e^ipi: have lib 2.6 on zone and have lib 2.4 in globa
[05:50:48] <e^ipi> both are the same copy
[05:50:51] <victori_> hypothetically speaking
[05:50:55] <e^ipi> zone 2 changes blah.cfg
[05:51:11] <e^ipi> ZFS writes the changes to new blocks, like it always does, because that's how ZFS works
[05:51:19] <victori_> isn't ufs the default fs anyway?
[05:51:35] <e^ipi> rather than dereferencing the old blocks, zone1 sees blah.cfg as the old blocks, and zone2  sees blah.cfg as the new blocks
[05:51:49] <e^ipi> because that's how ZFS snapshotting works
[05:51:50] <Tempt>  Don't write to /usr!
[05:51:51] <victori_> e^ipi: you just confused me
[05:51:56] <Tempt> Writing to /usr is bad and wrong.
[05:51:57] <e^ipi> Tempt: hypothetical example
[05:52:01] <victori_> I want to have have write access to /usr from zone
[05:52:06] <Tempt> [13:49] <victori_> e^ipi:  /usr differences
[05:52:07] <e^ipi> victori_: and you can do that
[05:52:10] <Tempt> Just. Don't. Do. It.
[05:52:19] <Tempt> If you need to mess with /usr, you're doing something wrong.
[05:52:19] <e^ipi> with zones + zfs
[05:52:25] <victori_> Tempt: how is it wrong?
[05:52:26] <e^ipi> without taking up any more storage space
[05:52:37] <victori_> isnt the point of a zone for experimentation ?
[05:52:58] <Tempt>  /usr should just be what the OS puts in there.
[05:53:11] <e^ipi> hey, Tempt ... you're here
[05:53:14] <Tempt> Everything else should live either in /opt or some application specific location.
[05:53:36] <Tempt> e^ipi: Yep, I've appeared. Nothing like to mention of /usr/local to get me commenting!
[05:53:39] <Tempt> :)
[05:53:42] <victori_> Tempt: I see
[05:53:50] <victori_> I guess its the freebsdisms in me
[05:53:51] <e^ipi> is there a rule of thumb for grind/roast colour ?
[05:53:58] <e^ipi> like "grind lighter roasts finer " ?
[05:54:02] <Tempt> hmm
[05:54:08] <Tempt> It depends on a lot of factures.
[05:54:10] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[05:54:15] <Tempt> factors
[05:54:27] <Tempt> Different roasts have different fracture patterns in the grinder.
[05:54:36] <victori_> oh something has been driving me nuts, zlogin -C zonename , the shell's display is funky with vi
[05:54:42] <Tempt> (which will change grind time for a specific particle size)
[05:54:45] <victori_> as in I cant see the file I am editing clearly
[05:54:50] <Tempt> victori_: set your TERM to vt100
[05:54:54] <victori_> it shows line 5 where line 3 is supposed to be
[05:54:59] <Tempt> victori_: set your TERM to vt100
[05:55:03] <victori_> k thanks
[05:55:18] <e^ipi> Tempt: so no real rule of thumb then?
[05:55:23] <Tempt> e^ipi: Nope.
[05:55:26] <e^ipi> okie
[05:55:31] <Tempt> e^ipi: Different roasts shouldn't change your grind
[05:55:46] <jbk> victori_: you can change the default by doing 'svccfg -s console-login ttymon/terminal_type = XXX'
[05:55:47] <Tempt> e^ipi: grind particle size is about matching your extraction method, nothing to do with the roast depth
[05:56:12] <e^ipi> I just noticed that the beans I was running through my grinder before were a darker roast than the ones I have now... and now I'm pulling really quick shots
[05:56:22] <e^ipi> (grossly quick, actually... it's not very good)
[05:56:24] <victori_> jbk: I was just going to use .bashrc
[05:56:30] <Tempt> Aaah
[05:56:40] <Tempt> For espresso you'll need to balance the different oil content.
[05:56:41] <e^ipi> my grinder's a piece of crap though, so that has a lot to do with it
[05:57:11] <Tempt> Just like you need to slowly adjust your grinder finer as your beans get older. 1 day old beans need a courser grind than 10 day old beans.
[05:57:20] <victori_> "./DBIXS.h", line 405: PerlIO: macro recursion
[05:57:21] <victori_>    -- can't get anything running with solaris' perl/cpan
[05:57:30] <victori_> tried sunspro 11 and 12
[05:57:48] <binarycrusader> victori_: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zones-discuss/2006-April/004717.html
[05:58:15] <victori_> *sigh* solaris isnt the best perl platform is it?
[05:58:29] <e^ipi> victori_: why wouldn't it be?
[05:58:29] <jmcp> "congratulations, you're not running Eunice"
[05:58:33] <Tempt> victori_: That's old.
[05:58:36] <Tempt> s/old/odd/
[05:58:41] <Tempt> victori_: That shouldn't happen.
[05:58:51] <Tempt> victori_: Try grabbing the coolstack perl anyway, it's a nice build.
[05:58:54] <victori_> I cant get any C dependent cpan mod installed
[05:59:04] <Tempt> victori_: Then you've got something broken
[05:59:04] <victori_> Tempt: funny story I am using coolstack perl
[05:59:16] <victori_> and its in front of my path
[05:59:18] <Tempt> victori_: Very strange. What are you trying to build, anyway?
[05:59:24] <victori_> DBI of all things
[05:59:41] <Tempt> wow, never had problems with that, although haven't tried with coolstack perl
[05:59:52] <Tempt> Google it, I remember there were specific instructions and hints for building DBI
[05:59:55] <victori_> fails in blastwave perl as well
[06:00:04] <victori_> have yet to tried perl 5.8.6
[06:00:08] <victori_> s/tried/try/g
[06:00:37] <Tempt> Have you checked the coolstack doco on DBI?
[06:01:21] <victori_> doco?
[06:01:24] <victori_> ya I read the faq
[06:01:27] <victori_> did follow the directions
[06:03:19] <victori_> I am surprised to find no hints to my problem on google
[06:04:26] <victori_> http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2650
[06:04:27] <victori_> full error
[06:05:53] <Tempt> Again, quite odd.
[06:06:01] <Tempt> try hitting it with a hmmer
[06:06:02] <Tempt> hammer
[06:06:03] <victori_> coolstack 1.1 / sun studio 11
[06:06:09] <victori_> ?
[06:06:26] <Tempt> I find compiling perl modules deeply annoying, no matter which platform.
[06:06:32] <Tempt> I think I've had just as many hassles on loonix and BSD.
[06:06:36] <victori_> its a charm on freebsd
[06:06:54] <victori_> but ya whatever
[06:07:02] <Tempt> depends on the phase of the moon, typically.
[06:08:00] <victori_> Tempt: you actually have DBI compiled?
[06:08:13] <Tempt> I've compiled it before.
[06:09:21] <Tempt> I do less and less with perl these days. I'm not a fan of the language myself and now that the perl/CGI craze has been eaten by PHP, I'm not seeing many applications that require perl, let alone DBI.
[06:09:32] *** binarycrusader has left #opensolaris
[06:09:39] <victori_> I suppose Ill just compile perl with gcc and be done with it
[06:09:44] *** Shiv__ has left #opensolaris
[06:10:07] *** Andy_Pease has quit IRC
[06:10:31] *** Andy_Pease has joined #opensolaris
[06:11:31] <victori_> I guess the cool stack isn't soo cool afterall
[06:11:32] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris
[06:11:36] <gnut> hi all
[06:11:41] <Tempt> Yep, all the perl bugs are the fault of Solaris.
[06:12:06] <victori_> it isnt perl but cc
[06:12:10] <gnut> i just upgraded to b72 and on my machine with an intel 865G, I'm getting Xorg errors of no sub module ch7xxx, sil164, and a bunch of others
[06:12:18] <gnut> the screen looks not so good
[06:12:28] <gnut> anyone see this?
[06:13:44] *** Gman has quit IRC
[06:14:23] <libkeise1> i fail to see how cpp emitting a macro recursion error has anything to do with cc
[06:16:32] <gnut> does anyone happen to have libsil164.so in /usr/X11/lib/modules? or /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers?
[06:16:51] <Tempt> libkeise1: Easier than blaming your favourite software.
[06:16:53] *** alred has joined #opensolaris
[06:19:28] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris
[06:19:38] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris
[06:22:04] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris
[06:23:46] *** ashner has quit IRC
[06:25:57] *** sbahra has quit IRC
[06:26:21] *** badcoder0 has joined #opensolaris
[06:26:52] <e^ipi> well, this is forward progress I suppose
[06:27:04] <e^ipi> now when I put my student card in the card reader, it lights up
[06:28:19] <badcoder0> what is the service that uses java  , besides installupgrades , smcweb console , i need to disable all services that uses java or are irrelvant for headless file server
[06:29:46] <e^ipi> wbem
[06:30:02] <e^ipi> umm, graphical-login
[06:30:26] <e^ipi> cde-printinfo
[06:30:52] <e^ipi> cde-calendar-manager
[06:31:00] <e^ipi> fc-cache
[06:31:31] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris
[06:32:10] *** alred has quit IRC
[06:35:54] <badcoder0> what is fc-cache ?
[06:37:15] <e^ipi> oh poop...
[06:37:50] <e^ipi> damn you smart card console! damn you to hell!
[06:37:55] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris
[06:37:59] <e^ipi> font something IIRC
[06:43:05] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[06:43:27] <victori_> well I think I did a number on my solaris install, safe to just mount the solaris dvd iso and pkgadd -d * the product dir?
[06:44:32] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[06:44:54] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris
[06:46:04] <gnut> okay. which package contains ivch.so and ch7xxx.so?
[06:46:09] <e^ipi> well, bugger it to all hell, I have no idea how to fix this then
[06:47:01] <e^ipi> ahh, nevermind... spoke about 30 seconds too soon
[06:49:01] *** xuser has joined #opensolaris
[06:50:18] *** xuser has left #opensolaris
[06:50:45] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[06:50:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[06:50:47] *** stevel has quit IRC
[06:51:35] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[06:51:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[06:51:41] *** gnut has quit IRC
[06:57:52] <badcoder0> Common Agent Container , what is this ?
[06:58:39] <jmcp> that's where all the commoner agents go. The upper class agents go in a different container
[06:59:48] <jmcp> btw, is this old news yet? SCOX filed for Ch11 protection last friday - http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LAF04014092007-1.htm
[06:59:53] <badcoder0> sorry but i dont know what your talking about , what is an agent
[06:59:58] *** stevel has quit IRC
[07:00:01] <jbk> yeah, old :)
[07:00:15] <CIA-25> yc148097: 6505251 NIU FMA needs to diagnose XAUI and XFP faults, 6558331 Should add detailed error info to ddi_fm_ereport_post, 6559504 nxge_ipp_eccue_valid_check causes FMA errors, 6562470 fm capabilities passed to ddi_fm_init should be set properly, 6564290 Unused function nxge_fm_npi_error_handler should be deleted, 6579032 When jumbo frame is enabled, nxge driver does not set the size of the incoming frame correctly., 6597303 XFP in the topology sho
[07:02:08] <badcoder0> this news means i should make fun of an sco fanboy  i know XD
[07:02:54] <g4lt-mordant> common agent container: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsautomotive/default.mspx , upper class agent container: http://www.sun.com/emrkt/blackbox/index.jsp
[07:04:48] * jmcp snorts
[07:04:51] <jmcp> nice one :-)
[07:07:08] *** tamr has quit IRC
[07:09:40] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris
[07:11:00] <e^ipi> sco has fanboys?
[07:12:07] *** tamr has quit IRC
[07:12:37] *** Atomdrac1e is now known as Atomdrache
[07:13:34] *** badcoder0 has quit IRC
[07:16:07] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[07:18:34] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[07:18:51] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer
[07:19:49] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris
[07:26:55] *** nrubsig has quit IRC
[07:32:56] <Atomdrache> Does anybody know of a way to get cmus to compile in Solaris?
[07:35:33] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[07:35:52] <Atomdrache> (i.e. C* music player)
[07:36:41] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris
[07:46:37] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[07:50:37] <tomww> Atomdrache: what kind of error occurs?
[07:50:38] *** g4lt-sb100 has joined #opensolaris
[07:50:41] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris
[07:50:55] <Atomdrache> No worries.  I gave up and decided to try a different player.
[07:51:10] <Atomdrache> In short, make vomited bizarre errors about the Sun audio system and how it couldn't find these variables.
[07:51:19] <Atomdrache> Actually...gmake.  make didn't work.
[07:51:30] <Atomdrache> Make just said "Screw you, man."
[07:51:49] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[07:52:45] <jmcp> Atomdrache: that'll learn ya for trying to compile linux software on Solaris
[07:53:10] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris
[07:53:29] <Atomdrache> If I intend to use a Solaris machine as a home workstation, sometimes I have to do that.
[07:53:29] *** Drone has quit IRC
[07:53:38] <Atomdrache> (see also: "Where are all my developers?")
[07:53:47] <jmcp> heh
[07:54:08] <Atomdrache> I am pleased by Murdock's idea to attract developers to Solaris by making Indiana more palatable to them, though.
[07:55:05] <Atomdrache> It means people who were previously turned away by having to register with Sun to download SXCE (my personal analysis of this is "you people are bloody whiners, it's free", but it still prevents a large number of people from trying Solaris) will give it a try.
[07:55:56] <Atomdrache> And it means people who were turned away by the unfamiliarity of the user space (compared to what they're used to) will also give it a try.
[07:55:57] <e^ipi> depends
[07:56:02] <Atomdrache> Maybe.
[07:56:05] <e^ipi> does he plan to hobble solaris by making it like linux
[07:56:13] <e^ipi> because linux is a piece of shit
[07:56:37] <Atomdrache> No.
[07:56:46] <e^ipi> and if "usable" == "GNUsable" then I want nothing of it on any of my machines
[07:56:47] <Atomdrache> He's not doing anything to the underlying technology.
[07:57:07] <Atomdrache> It also is only one version.
[07:57:16] <Atomdrache> Indiana will be to Solaris 11 as SXCE is to Solaris 10, pretty much.
[07:58:06] <Atomdrache> So people who are perfectly comfortable with Solaris and want long-release versions for enterprise applications will not have to worry about it.
[07:58:50] <e^ipi> yes, well since no code exists it remains to be seen just how bad a linux zealot can fuck up solaris
[07:59:01] <victori_> e^ipi: admit some gnu userland utilities are just better
[07:59:25] <Atomdrache> Part of the concern I have about the whole subject is that there are not enough applications being developed for Solaris.
[07:59:29] <e^ipi> victori_: such as?
[07:59:38] <victori_> gtar
[07:59:53] <victori_> ggrep
[07:59:55] <Atomdrache> I don't like the idea of using Solaris on a server but then having to go use Linux at home to play some damn music.
[08:00:15] <e^ipi> yes, to hell with "do one thing well", let's keep adding flags for whatever compression algo, is in style right now
[08:00:26] <e^ipi> alternately, we can use pipes like god intended
[08:00:35] <victori_> e^ipi: right like gtar is flaed..
[08:00:36] <jbk> gtar is actually a good example of bad gnu software
[08:00:38] <victori_> fawed*
[08:00:39] <victori_> err
[08:00:41] <victori_> flawed
[08:00:46] <Atomdrache> My understandng is that the autotools are particularly evil.
[08:00:51] <victori_> jbk: how so?
[08:00:54] <Atomdrache> And in my experience they like to spontaneously catch fire.
[08:00:55] <jbk> it's buggy, the format is undocumented
[08:01:04] <victori_> buggy? oh common fud
[08:01:26] <victori_> I been using gtar 9 years now, never has it failed
[08:01:42] <Atomdrache> I'm not really thinking much about GNU utilities.  I like Sun's compilers and utilities better, usually.  I'm thinking more about other open-source applications which I'd rather like to have but can't because I can't get them to compile.
[08:01:57] <Atomdrache> And this is a problem because, well, these guys only develop shit for Linux.
[08:02:01] <jbk> then you're lucky, many others have had far different experiences
[08:02:17] <victori_> hard to believe
[08:02:17] <jbk> especially when they have to start using different tar implementations
[08:02:22] <Atomdrache> jbk: I only use tar :3
[08:02:35] <jbk> basically gnu tar is only compatible with itself
[08:03:04] <victori_> nope compat with bsdtar
[08:03:06] <victori_> wrong again
[08:03:29] <e^ipi> yeah, to hell with evidence... gnu has to be better
[08:03:32] <e^ipi> because it's gpl
[08:03:50] <victori_> I am just being practical/pragmatic , licenses aside
[08:04:05] <jbk> you're lucky schily is idle :) he can give you very specific examples (for hours on end) of the problems with gnu tar :)
[08:04:43] <victori_> well I do want to hear
[08:04:57] <jbk> but a lot of the issues surround how longer pathnames are stored
[08:05:06] <jbk> if i recall correctly
[08:05:09] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC
[08:05:34] <victori_> jbk: might of been the case 15 or 20 years ago heh
[08:06:54] <e^ipi> regardless, schilly's version of tar is less buggy & more standards compliant
[08:07:16] <e^ipi> and it supports compression, which is once again, really the only thing that people want out of gtar
[08:07:36] <victori_> ugh standards compliant? last time I checked solaris' tar is the odd one out
[08:08:33] <victori_> anyway don't matter this can on forever, you are attached to solaris's userland
[08:09:09] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[08:09:25] <victori_> anyway thank you for help earlier
[08:09:42] <victori_> pitty it did not get anything resolved with nevada+perl but oh well
[08:14:02] <Atomdrache> Ouch.
[08:14:16] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[08:14:17] <Atomdrache> Note to self:  Do not ever.  EVER.  Make symbolic links in /usr/lib.
[08:14:29] * Atomdrache installs XFCE to replace JDS, which is in the process of being on fire.
[08:14:42] <quasi> ;)
[08:15:04] <Atomdrache> why did I do that ;-;
[08:15:23] <Atomdrache> Oh right.  I hadn't heard of crle before.
[08:16:08] <quasi> crle isn't necessarily a good idea either
[08:16:52] <Atomdrache> In general, I am informed (by the same guy who originally told me to do something unwise with ln -sf (later:  "I'm a moron.")) that dicking with /usr/lib is just usually not wise.
[08:17:04] <Atomdrache> Previously I had just copied missing library files to it.
[08:17:22] <quasi> eeek!
[08:17:27] <Atomdrache> But he told me no, that's bad, you shouldn't copy them.  You should link this whole directory to that.  Oops, I think I destroyed your computer.
[08:17:36] <Atomdrache> That was mostly fixed by reinstalling SUNWcsl.
[08:18:07] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[08:18:07] <Atomdrache> (But not completely, as evidenced by JDS suddenly experiencing a boiler explosion and rapidly listing to port.)
[08:25:53] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[08:26:24] <Tempt> hah
[08:26:28] <Tempt> Geez.
[08:26:32] <Tempt> This is why I say writing to /usr is *bad*
[08:26:40] <Tempt> (well, one of the many reasons)
[08:30:19] *** Andy_Pease has quit IRC
[08:30:40] *** Andy_Pease has joined #opensolaris
[08:36:24] <Atomdrache> I really am not sure how many library packages need to be reinstalled.
[08:36:57] <Atomdrache> Currently, I'm waiting on somebody to give me a list of which ones I need to reinstall.
[08:37:07] <Atomdrache> (hopefully he'll have that to me fairly soon)
[08:37:59] <Tempt> reinstall the machine
[08:38:06] <Tempt> or LU it
[08:38:07] <Tempt> or something
[08:38:08] <Atomdrache> LU?
[08:38:20] <Atomdrache> There are reasons I would prefer not to reinstall right now.
[08:39:08] <quasi> Live Upgrade
[08:39:37] <Atomdrache> While I'm going to try to avoid doing either if at all possible, how do you do a live upgrade?
[08:39:56] <quasi> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/liveupgradehowto.jsp
[08:39:58] <Tempt> Any reason why not to reinstall?
[08:40:03] <Tempt> Just back up valuables from /etc
[08:40:05] <Tempt> and reinstall it
[08:40:15] <Tempt> you can choose "preserve data" to avoid overwriting your homedir or anything
[08:40:33] <Atomdrache> Well...what all would be at risk during a reinstall?
[08:40:44] <Tempt> Well, there's always the risk of human error
[08:40:45] *** bengtf_ has quit IRC
[08:41:04] <Atomdrache> I have /opt moved to a seperate ZFS filesystem because I was running out of disk space.  Would that be harmed?
[08:44:18] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris
[08:46:07] <Atomdrache> I also am not sure I have enough disk space to do a live upgrade.
[08:46:52] <Atomdrache> Hmm...maybe, if only my root partition is copied.
[08:47:14] <Atomdrache> And yes if I were to somehow use my fileserver as an NFS filesystem.
[08:47:15] *** tamr has quit IRC
[08:48:25] <Atomdrache> (which I mean to learn eventually, but right now the main objective is to restore normal functionality to the  machine I least need to be hosed.)
[08:49:12] <Atomdrache> Though I might look that up while I'm waiting.
[08:54:24] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[09:00:36] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[09:03:31] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris
[09:08:35] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[09:09:15] *** chrisso has quit IRC
[09:11:57] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris
[09:12:46] <WickedWicky> morning
[09:12:49] <JoergB> Moin
[09:14:05] <quasi> WickedWicky: was it you with the compaq "smart"array controllers?
[09:19:03] <WickedWicky> Yea, they're working
[09:19:12] <WickedWicky> I downloaded the Sol10 drivers from the HP site
[09:19:31] <WickedWicky> choose to load a driver diskette in the "installation type" menus
[09:19:45] <WickedWicky> virtualy mounted the CD-iso via ILO
[09:19:47] <WickedWicky> et voila
[09:20:05] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[09:20:16] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[09:21:12] <WickedWicky> it handles both physical and logical drives created within the Smart Array tool
[09:22:12] <WickedWicky> have a look here for the stuff/drivers HP provides
[09:22:14] <WickedWicky> http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/492635-0-0-0-121.html
[09:23:31] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris
[09:23:37] <quasi> WickedWicky: cool, thanks
[09:29:24] <Atomdrache> Is there a way to go between workspaces in GNOME by keyboard?
[09:29:31] <Atomdrache> Buttons are broken and I need to kill a terminal window.
[09:29:53] <e^ipi> control-alt-left&right
[09:29:57] <jmcp> Atomdrache: I have that mapped to <meta>-<left arrow> and <meta>-<right arrow>
[09:30:16] <Atomdrache> Ain't working here.
[09:30:31] <Atomdrache> ctrl+alt does, though.
[09:31:40] <Atomdrache> Apparently that's not it.
[09:31:48] <Atomdrache> It's saying I can't eject the CD-ROM because it's busy.
[09:31:52] <Atomdrache> How do I find out what's using it?
[09:32:08] <quasi> fuser
[09:32:16] <asyd> \_o<
[09:32:55] <Atomdrache> fuser what?
[09:33:11] <asyd> man fuser !
[09:33:12] <e^ipi> man fuser
[09:33:19] <Atomdrache> I'm doing that =P
[09:33:27] <e^ipi> then good, continue
[09:35:51] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[09:36:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[09:38:08] <Atomdrache> Can't find anything using /dev/dsk/c0t6d0s2.
[09:38:14] <Atomdrache> Still says it's busy.
[09:38:31] <WickedWicky> if there was an amnesty international for human heads in the world, then this headache I haveright now would be in the top sued for violating brain rights...
[09:38:40] <WickedWicky> use the mountpoint
[09:39:18] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris
[09:40:47] <Atomdrache> Mountpoint didn't do anything, but using df I did find which slice of that device the CD was on.  Danke.
[09:48:18] *** halton has quit IRC
[09:49:06] <Atomdrache> Well this isn't good.
[09:49:23] <Atomdrache> I didn't realize I shouldn't have, but I killed nautilus because I thought it might've been causing that problem earlier.
[09:49:32] <Atomdrache> Now I can't mount a CD normally.
[09:49:45] <Atomdrache> Which is not good, because the CDs are where the library files are.
[09:50:20] <Atomdrache> I remember mounting CD-ROMs manually was kind of tricky.  Does anybody remember how?
[09:50:34] <Atomdrache> (besides reading man mount like fifteen times and wondering why it still doesn't work)
[09:51:27] <Atomdrache> Nevermind, found a guide.
[09:52:59] <jmcp> mount -F hsfs -o ro /dev/dsk/.....s2 /mnt
[09:53:56] <Atomdrache> Actually, that worked better.  Thanks.
[09:55:51] <jmcp> yw
[09:59:44] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris
[10:00:03] *** dmarker has quit IRC
[10:00:13] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris
[10:08:45] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC
[10:09:53] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris
[10:12:38] *** SamWan has joined #opensolaris
[10:14:11] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris
[10:21:23] *** JoergB has quit IRC
[10:27:48] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[10:29:20] <e^ipi> anyone happen to know where solaris looks for ppd files?
[10:31:39] <Atomdrache> Last I messed with 'em, I think it was somewhere in /usr.
[10:31:43] <Atomdrache> That's all I remember.
[10:31:55] <Atomdrache> (no guarantee that I remember it right)
[10:32:29] <Atomdrache> Wow.
[10:32:36] <Atomdrache> ...I've done a *lot* of dumb shit in /usr :D
[10:32:58] <dlg> does anyone know where i can find a list of hardware compatible with sam-fs/qfs?
[10:33:23] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris
[10:33:44] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris
[10:33:47] <Tempt> anything that is a block or tape device?
[10:33:47] <Tempt> :)
[10:34:03] <dlg> oops
[10:34:08] <timsf> hi all
[10:34:09] <dlg> i meant "qualified"
[10:34:16] <Tempt> aaah
[10:34:24] <dlg> sorry
[10:34:35] <Tempt> I gather docs.sun.com isn't helping?
[10:34:43] <dlg> that, or im too dumb to drive it
[10:36:42] <flyingparchment> apparently, HP pre-sales support don't offer any information on enterprise products.  does that mean i have to buy something before i can find out what it does?
[10:39:51] <Tempt> talk to your reseller
[10:39:53] <Tempt> Man
[10:40:28] <Tempt> I don't mean to be rude, but if I had a dollar for every time someone complained about vendors not being helpful to direct sales leads, I'd have a new workstation for it.
[10:42:30] <WickedWicky> OH NOES, it's Tempt
[10:43:19] <flyingparchment> Tempt: i tried finding a fujitsu reseller.  apparently, none of their authorised resellers sells the product i wanted.  (except as part of a 'managed solution')
[10:44:40] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC
[10:44:52] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar
[10:46:44] <Vanuatoo> Will SXCE use 64 bit kernel when booting core 2 duo system?
[10:46:47] <Berny> any kernel hackers with x86 experience around?
[10:47:04] <trochej> Vanuatoo: Yes
[10:47:16] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris
[10:47:25] <Vanuatoo> trochej, So I have to download 64 bit drivers, right?
[10:47:42] *** Vorbis_w48 has quit IRC
[10:47:43] <cmihai> What drivers ;-).
[10:47:59] *** Kush- has quit IRC
[10:47:59] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[10:48:00] <Vanuatoo> cmihai, Network driver for Marvel 88E8001
[10:48:13] <Vanuatoo> and OpenSound driver for Intel ICH8 Audio
[10:48:19] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[10:48:28] <cmihai> Just install SXCE 72, you'll find it's probably supported.
[10:48:44] <Berny> where/how does the kernel gather it's information it has on hard disks? does it query the bios? if so how come the bios reports a disk as being pci channel/disk target 3 while the kernel structures used be di_walk_node have it as channel/target 1?
[10:48:51] <cmihai> I've got a Marvel Yukon, nge driver right?
[10:49:08] <Vanuatoo> cmihai, I'm going to install the upcoming SXDE that is based on build 70a, I guess
[10:49:23] <cmihai> Umh... why SXDE? Just go for SXCE
[10:49:55] <trochej> Vanuatoo: I don't know, for broadcom I use 32bit drivers woth 64bit kernel
[10:49:56] <trochej> Worls
[10:49:57] <trochej> worls
[10:50:00] <trochej> fok
[10:50:01] <trochej> works
[10:50:12] *** migi has joined #opensolaris
[10:50:16] <Vanuatoo> cmihai, Because SXDE is more polished and I don't want to have a system where instant messenger has some bug and that'll be fixed in the next build :)
[10:50:43] <richlowe> at least for the two available, the SXDE and SXCE images are bit-for-bit identical.
[10:50:54] <trochej> :)
[10:50:55] <cmihai> Heh
[10:50:56] <richlowe> it's really a matter of whether you used the crippled installer and got the wrong studio release, or not.
[10:51:07] <cmihai> And you have a new SXCE to LiveUpgrade to every 2 weeks...
[10:52:27] <Vanuatoo> trochej, So solaris can use 32 bit drivers on 64 bit system, but what is recommended. I guess to use the same arch as the kernel
[10:53:24] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris
[10:54:18] <Vanuatoo> cmihai, waste of bandwidth. looking forward to indiana release.
[10:54:27] <cmihai> HAH
[10:55:39] <e^ipi> ehh
[10:55:46] <trochej> uhmm
[10:57:27] <Vanuatoo> I hope firefox performance is better than a year ago.
[10:58:03] <e^ipi> what's with all the yapping about Ian Murdock's distro lately?
[10:58:54] <Vanuatoo> e^ipi, Did not know that Ian Murdock was in distribution team
[10:59:36] <Atomdrache> It looks like it might be cool?
[10:59:45] *** migi has quit IRC
[11:00:28] <trochej> Vanuatoo: Everything is better than a year ago. Even my salary
[11:00:34] <Vanuatoo> The new installer, The new package management system
[11:00:41] <Tempt> flyingparchment: Yep, that's Fujitsu for you.
[11:00:46] <Vanuatoo> trochej, I'm happy for you
[11:00:52] <Tempt> They have no idea how to sell product outside of japan, it seems.
[11:01:05] <trochej> Vanuatoo: You like you, but imagine how happe for me I am!
[11:01:15] <Atomdrache> Which is unfortunate.  I'd like to play with some of their sparc64 stuff.
[11:01:31] <richlowe> e^ipi: you're listed for the devcon crap, right?
[11:01:38] <Vanuatoo> trochej, Hardly imaginable less happier than me
[11:01:40] <e^ipi> richlowe: yeah
[11:01:41] *** Gman has quit IRC
[11:01:46] <richlowe> e^ipi: just so you can flame 'em in person, or? :)
[11:02:09] <e^ipi> or what, it's a working session re: opensolaris
[11:02:17] <richlowe> it claims that, sure.
[11:02:18] <Vanuatoo> I hope that mozilla dtrace probes will improve the browser
[11:02:19] <e^ipi> it happens to be organized by the indiana poeple
[11:02:22] <richlowe> but I don't exactly believe it.
[11:02:23] <Tempt> Well, now that Sun is selling Fujitsu you just deal with your Sun reseller
[11:02:31] <Tempt> It's the older PrimePower stuff that was next to impossible to get.
[11:02:33] <JoergB> Hi, I have just done a live upgrade from 55b to 70b (first time I do it this way), and now want to do the switch. But the old system seems to hang while going down. Is that normal (i.e. is it doing something useful to prepare the switch)?
[11:02:34] <richlowe> e^ipi: I'd love to see it forced into being a generally useful thing though.
[11:02:38] <richlowe> e^ipi: so go for it.
[11:03:32] *** SamWan has left #opensolaris
[11:03:49] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[11:09:40] *** Chipdanc1r is now known as Chipdancer
[11:10:58] *** Vorbis_w48 has joined #opensolaris
[11:11:04] <Berny> HA!
[11:11:15] <Berny> i'm getting there...
[11:11:19] <Berny> jmcp: ping?
[11:11:43] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris
[11:17:05] <cmihai> Now that VMware Tools are OpenSource, will they start integrating more in OpenSolaris (I know they've already put VMware video drivers and mouse...)
[11:18:18] <Atomdrache> When did that happen?
[11:18:29] <renihs> few days ago
[11:18:29] *** jwest- has joined #opensolaris
[11:18:34] <renihs> or weeks :) dunno
[11:21:01] <quasi> September 11, 2007
[11:21:03] <trochej> cmihai: Those are Linux tools
[11:21:17] <cmihai> No
[11:21:32] <cmihai> http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/
[11:21:32] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[11:21:44] <cmihai> They're to be used INSIDE the virtual machine.
[11:21:52] <trochej> cmihai: Yes, I know that
[11:21:55] <trochej> I use VMware, I read
[11:22:02] <cmihai> So what makes them Linux tools may I ask?
[11:22:12] <cmihai> Since they would run on say.. BSD
[11:22:38] <trochej> The tools are currently composed of kernel modules for Linux and user-space programs for all VMware supported Unix-like guest operating systems.
[11:22:43] <trochej> Maybe not exactly Linux
[11:22:51] <trochej> But modules are Linux only
[11:22:52] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris
[11:23:07] <cmihai> The drivers aren't mate.
[11:23:08] <cmihai> Tjh
[11:23:08] <trochej> So most interesting parts that may help guest are only linux modules
[11:23:10] <renihs> hmm but the xorg modules shouldnt be?
[11:23:26] <renihs> shouldnt be linux specific i mean :)
[11:23:36] <cmihai> Like I said, mouse and video are already in SXCE
[11:23:43] <cmihai> and the other stuff is portable.
[11:24:00] <trochej> [d]
[11:24:01] <cmihai> Anyway, bbl
[11:24:01] <quasi> the readme for the vmware tools include build instructions for Nevada
[11:24:35] <cmihai> Yeah, they build on Solaris, FreeBSD, Linux..
[11:25:22] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris
[11:25:29] <Drone> Gman is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sun 16 Sep 2007 06:08 GMT, saying 'anyways, it's sunday, and i'm not here :)'.
[11:26:10] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[11:30:06] *** derchris has quit IRC
[11:30:19] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[11:38:16] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[11:39:31] <cmihai> Hm... is there something new in terms of ZFS integration in the SXCE installer? I've seen SXCE 72: Reading ZFS config: done. Or is this just ZFS Upgrade (from b69)?
[11:40:30] *** Vorbis_w48 has quit IRC
[11:40:31] <e^ipi> oh, evidently my printer is listening to the network, it just takes forever
[11:44:04] *** Fullmoon_ has joined #opensolaris
[11:45:33] <WickedWicky> cmihai: I can tell you in an hour
[11:45:39] <WickedWicky> I am going to install b72 on  my laptop today
[11:46:29] *** simford has quit IRC
[11:46:35] <timsf> cmihai, that's the more verbose ZFS mount stuff put in a while back
[11:47:18] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris
[11:47:19] *** migi has joined #opensolaris
[11:47:28] <timsf> I'll see if I can find the reference
[11:47:35] <cmihai> Cool.
[11:47:50] <cmihai> It's just that I haven't seen any ZFS related stuff in the installer before
[11:48:11] <timsf> It's not in the installer, as much as it's in the version of Solaris the installer uses.
[11:48:53] <timsf> It's PSARC 2007/273 - ZFS mount -v
[11:49:11] <timsf> The link on opensolaris.org to the caselog is hosed unfortunately :-(
[11:49:25] <cmihai> Actually, I was looking at PSARC 2007/328
[11:49:30] <cmihai> zfs upgrade
[11:49:55] <timsf> Yeah, that's different
[11:50:56] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:51:15] <richlowe> there's really not much public covering install/upgrade of zfs roots except the caiman bits.
[11:51:32] <richlowe> the zfs root cases talked about it mostly in that context too
[11:52:03] <timsf> Haven't seen much here either. Lori has the installkit stuff, allowing you to jumpstart a system with ZFS root
[11:52:37] *** Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon|office
[11:52:52] <cmihai> Oh, that's cool.
[11:52:56] <cmihai> Oh well, off to lunch
[11:55:08] <e^ipi> what in the hell?
[11:55:34] <e^ipi> it prints text, but not images
[11:55:53] <e^ipi> and it takes 5 minutes to send a couple bytes to the printer
[11:58:22] <WickedWicky> Xerox WorkCenter by any change?
[11:59:55] <e^ipi> no
[12:00:09] <e^ipi> some minolta piece of crap that i picked up for $100 a few years ago
[12:00:16] <CIA-25> meem: 6602776 IP complains about an unsolicited DL_DISABMULTI_REQ when unplumbing IPv6, 6603807 ip_sioctl_removeif_restart() has botched ASSERT()
[12:00:21] <e^ipi> it's plugged in to the USB port of my fileserver
[12:00:27] <WickedWicky> expensive piece of crap then
[12:00:37] *** wilhelm_eau90 has joined #opensolaris
[12:01:01] *** wilhelm_eau90 has left #opensolaris
[12:01:10] <e^ipi> meh, not really... not for a laser printer at the time anyways
[12:01:51] <Tempt> Lexmark e240n
[12:01:58] <Tempt> Laser printer for every OS.
[12:02:42] <Berny> heureka
[12:06:36] *** blueandwhiteg3 has quit IRC
[12:07:54] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris
[12:08:25] *** jwest- has quit IRC
[12:14:43] *** jcea has left #opensolaris
[12:16:57] *** Jagoma has joined #opensolaris
[12:17:06] <Berny> jmcp: ping?
[12:21:59] <Berny> hmm, b.o.o is missing a feature... i need a button "i have more information on that bug which might fix this issue..."
[12:25:00] <e^ipi> b.o.o is missing a whole lot of features
[12:25:09] <e^ipi> it's quite the piece of crap they've concocted
[12:25:35] <Berny> :-)
[12:25:39] <richlowe> Berny: the way you do that is easy.
[12:25:50] <Berny> so whats the recommended way of doing that?
[12:25:50] <richlowe> Berny: you find a sun employee who isn't currently busy, and you get their email address.
[12:25:53] <richlowe> then you email them the update.
[12:25:56] <richlowe> then they change the bug.
[12:25:56] <e^ipi> heh
[12:25:57] <Doc> now, now... that's not very nice
[12:26:06] <Doc> very true perhaps, but still not very nice...
[12:26:19] <richlowe> Really, the suck of b.o.o exists to build community spirit.
[12:26:28] <richlowe> 'cos you can't do a fucking thing with it without mailing a sun employee at least 3 times.
[12:26:35] <richlowe> and thus, conversation is born.
[12:26:36] <Berny> hmm, richlowe you don't happen to be inside sun? ;-)
[12:26:45] <richlowe> nope
[12:26:48] <Berny> bugger...
[12:27:11] <Berny> anyway i would have liked jmcp to check that first on his box.. he's hit the same issue
[12:27:38] <Gman> Berny, send me a mail with the updates, and i'll add them
[12:28:34] <Berny> ah hi glynn :-)
[12:35:00] <Berny> whats the recommended patch format?  (gdiff -urN ? ;-))
[12:35:29] <Gman> depends what you're commiting to
[12:35:34] <Gman> webrev i suspect :)
[12:36:34] <Berny> should go into onnv
[12:37:00] <Gman> unified diff sounds fine for a bug report though
[12:37:01] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[12:37:08] <Gman> ask richlowe :)
[12:37:30] <richlowe> unified diff, probably.
[12:37:45] <richlowe> some folks seem to prefer context, but it's easy enough to patch a workspace and re-diff it.
[12:38:03] <dlg> ola
[12:38:08] <richlowe> if your change is in mercurial, and you're feeling brave, a tar'd up webrev would probably work great.
[12:38:11] <richlowe> since that covers all the bases.
[12:38:24] *** Gekkko has joined #opensolaris
[12:38:54] <richlowe> but if you're sticking in a suggested fix, go with diff -u or diff -c
[12:40:28] <dlg> diff -u pls
[12:51:30] <Berny> right
[12:51:47] <Berny> how exciting :-)
[12:52:40] <Berny> now lets just pray i didn't set any boxes on fire 8-)
[12:52:47] *** bnitz has left #opensolaris
[12:53:15] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris
[12:57:04] <Berny> should i sign the contributor agreement before sending a patch? :-)
[13:00:17] *** yongsun has left #opensolaris
[13:08:27] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:11:31] <Gman> Berny, no idea, but send me whatever you have and i'll update tomorrow
[13:11:33] * Gman heads to bed
[13:11:36] <Gman> night all
[13:11:39] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK
[13:11:48] *** deather has quit IRC
[13:11:49] *** deather_ is now known as deather
[13:13:19] *** Megaf has joined #OpenSolaris
[13:13:30] *** ysss has joined #opensolaris
[13:25:26] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[13:34:36] <Berny> sent you the patch a while ago...
[13:36:09] *** fbo has joined #opensolaris
[13:39:20] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:40:34] *** hali has quit IRC
[13:43:54] <jmcp> Berny: mail it to me
[13:47:03] <Berny> you got it
[13:48:03] *** FelipeBare has joined #opensolaris
[13:48:40] <jmcp> ta
[13:48:46] <jmcp> I'll give it a go v.v. shortly
[13:49:23] <Berny> cheers
[13:49:57] <Berny> i wonder why libdevinfo and prtconf/bios enumerate them differently....
[13:50:58] *** rarruda_ has joined #opensolaris
[13:51:16] *** rarruda_ has left #opensolaris
[13:51:44] <Cyrille> enumerate what?
[13:53:04] *** alred has joined #opensolaris
[13:53:22] <Berny> disks
[13:53:36] <Berny> or ide disk instances to be me precise
[13:54:07] *** hali_ is now known as hali
[13:56:05] <Cyrille> might be that one of them (guess of libdevinfo) is using something like readdir which doesn't have a fixed ordering defined.
[13:56:55] <Cyrille> I've seen a few instances of different behaviours from different machines based on that peculiarity (not specifically related to libdevinfo or disks, though).
[13:58:20] <Berny> bios reports the disks a 2 and 3... prtconf has them as ide instance 2 and 3. libdevinfo finds them as 0 and 1, in the /devices tree they are under pci-ide@5/ide@0 and /ide@1
[13:59:04] *** JoergB has quit IRC
[13:59:29] <Cyrille> ah sorry, I thought you just meant a difference in the order.
[13:59:36] <Berny> that makes biosdev choke badly (if the disks are same model and same disk layout) it can't match them to devices because they have different numbers in the bios and the data libdevinfo uses... and it can't match them because to first block of mirrored disks is identical too
[14:00:04] <Cyrille> no idea, then (not that my suggestion was much of an idea to begin with ;-))
[14:01:03] <Berny> cheers anyway
[14:01:22] <Berny> that problem sucks big time when trying to lu that box...
[14:02:03] <Berny> now i try to find out where and how the disk instances get their numbers in both possible ways and try to match them accordingly
[14:03:48] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[14:05:57] <Pietro_S> hmm, why when I use jds-cbe to build it is ok, but when I do it manually (with right export variables) it fails on libintl - missing symbol
[14:06:49] *** ysss has quit IRC
[14:06:50] *** hali has quit IRC
[14:06:51] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:08:40] *** rbrown has quit IRC
[14:14:29] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris
[14:14:56] *** hali_ is now known as hali
[14:14:59] *** Gekkko[P1A] has joined #opensolaris
[14:15:24] *** Gekkko[PDA] has quit IRC
[14:16:31] *** Gekkko[P1A] is now known as Gekkko[PDA]
[14:17:33] *** halton has joined #opensolaris
[14:18:33] *** Megaf is now known as Megaf|Away
[14:19:22] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris
[14:23:30] *** perlmonk has joined #opensolaris
[14:26:53] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC
[14:31:02] <bda> http://cgi.ebay.com/Poweredge-Powervault-Caddy-5649C-2550-2500-4600-210S_W0QQitemZ170118508254QQcmdZViewItem
[14:31:05] <bda> Must. Buy. Hard. Drive.
[14:31:08] <bda> lul
[14:31:15] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:31:54] *** hali has quit IRC
[14:33:38] *** Gekkko has quit IRC
[14:35:55] *** hali_ is now known as hali
[14:37:23] <jmcp> Berny: no joy on my system -  http://paste.lisp.org/display/47840
[14:41:31] <Berny> hmm, your box never runs through the stuff i added :-\
[14:41:40] <jmcp> :(
[14:41:42] *** alred has quit IRC
[14:42:08] <jmcp> I've got sata disks attached to the onboard controller instances, and a glm card with 4 u160 scsi disks attached too
[14:43:12] *** alred has joined #opensolaris
[14:43:39] *** halton has left #opensolaris
[14:43:47] <Berny> yeah that should be no problem... on your box the old code matches the pci bus/dev/func/channel combo before... my addition only comes into play when the existing procedure failed...
[14:44:49] <Berny> i'll be back in a bit... gotta pick up my daugther
[14:44:52] <jmcp> ok
[14:45:28] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[14:49:07] <Pietro_S> how can I display manpage not installed in the system - man file nor man -FM ./ file didn't help at all
[14:49:39] <cmihai> Install it, make sure it's in your MANPATH or use the online manpages.
[14:49:49] <cmihai> You can also troff render it to whatever format you want.
[14:50:31] *** hali_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:50:42] <jmcp> nroff -man /path/to/manpage
[14:51:05] *** hali has quit IRC
[14:51:24] <Pietro_S> thanks
[14:52:51] <timsf>  man -M/opt/csw/man vncviewer
[14:53:10] <timsf> also works - but yeah, I tend to use nroff too whenever something isn't in manpath...
[14:53:28] <timsf> (funny the way we learn things...)
[14:53:29] <richlowe> man -M needs a manpath-like hierarchy
[14:53:48] <richlowe> mkdir -p man/man1 && cp foo.1 man/man1 && man -M man foo
[14:53:49] <richlowe> etc.
[14:54:42] <Pietro_S> well, nroff is enough for now, I will install it when I compile whole thing
[14:55:12] <Pietro_S> just now, I wanted to see man page - so I can edit configs while compiling ;-)
[14:56:12] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris
[14:56:17] <seanmcg> timsf: isn't the java vncviewer in snv_72 ?  along with the manpage...
[14:57:55] <timsf> I'll tell you whenever I get there, still on nv_69 - the shame of it!
[15:04:34] *** infidel has quit IRC
[15:07:51] *** alred has quit IRC
[15:11:57] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:13:46] *** Gekkko[PDA] is now known as Gekkko[P1A]
[15:14:56] *** Gekkko[P1A] is now known as Gekkko[PDA]
[15:17:24] *** baijiutung has joined #opensolaris
[15:19:55] <Symmetria> goddamn intel hardware
[15:20:17] <Symmetria> stuck a new memory board in the server that intel supplied me, and they supplied me one that was wrong bus speed and my whole server went down
[15:20:47] <Symmetria> Memory: 24G phys mem, 1532M free mem, 29G swap, 29G free swap
[15:20:48] <quasi> the joys of hardware ;)
[15:20:59] <Symmetria> ^^^ heh my mirror server
[15:21:17] <Symmetria> 777
[15:21:58] <victori_> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=39793   any have this perl issue?
[15:22:24] <victori_> Symmetria: where is the other 23 gigs of ram going? db?
[15:22:42] <cmihai> The Java admin GUI, duh
[15:22:55] <victori_> for oracle?
[15:23:27] <victori_> cmihai: btw that network connectivity issue I had earlier revolved around a buggy tyan board, acpi needed to be disabled for it to work
[15:23:36] <cmihai> Nice
[15:23:36] <victori_> oddly enough freebsd/netbsd seem to have work arounds for it
[15:23:44] <victori_> but not linux
[15:24:10] <victori_> now if only I can just get perl C based mods compiled I would be in heaven
[15:24:22] *** Andy_Pease has quit IRC
[15:24:48] <victori_> since I am roughly getting 39% performance improvement in a catayst/perl app over freebsd
[15:25:49] <bda> victori_: Same hardware?
[15:25:59] <victori_> two identical rackmounts
[15:26:04] <bda> Crazy.
[15:26:17] <victori_> could be just cc's better outputted binaries
[15:26:34] <Gekkko[PDA]> could be LSD.
[15:26:59] <victori_> ?
[15:27:14] *** estibi has quit IRC
[15:27:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol.
[15:31:11] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris
[15:31:43] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[15:33:56] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[15:35:55] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[15:37:06] *** baijiutong has quit IRC
[15:37:59] <seanmcg> timsf: the newly bundled vnsviewer (java based) has a few bugs though.  I still use the c-based one
[15:38:51] *** johnlev has quit IRC
[15:41:58] *** infidel has joined #opensolaris
[15:42:12] *** lemur has joined #opensolaris
[15:42:18] <infidel> where can i get perl tk?
[15:43:38] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris
[15:45:14] *** sese1 has quit IRC
[15:45:37] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[15:45:53] <nachox> morning
[15:46:03] <lemur> morning
[15:46:05] <infidel> good morning
[15:46:06] <_william_> morning
[15:46:10] <lemur> you like nachos
[15:46:25] <infidel> nachox, where can i get perl tk?
[15:47:09] <nachox> ?
[15:48:26] <nachox> it's the Tcl::Tk module, cant you get it from cpan?
[15:49:37] <infidel> checking
[15:50:30] <infidel> i thought there was a command to run at the command line to download modules from cpan
[15:50:49] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris
[15:53:23] <seanmcg> infidel: perl -MCPAN gives you a shell like interface to pull/build modules..
[15:54:58] *** logic has quit IRC
[15:55:01] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:55:13] <infidel> seanmcg, ok thanks
[15:55:25] <eboutilier> Or, if you you have /usr/perl5/bin in you path, just type cpan.
[15:57:25] *** Megaf|Away is now known as Megaf
[15:58:03] <nachox> perl -MCPAN -e 'shell' actually gives you a cpan shell
[15:58:38] <bda> cpanplus tends to be the nicer option. ;)
[15:59:09] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris
[15:59:21] <nachox> anyway, once youre in the shell just type get Tcl::Tk
[16:00:19] <CIA-25> mp153739: 6586580 kadmin dumps core on error path due to a double-free., 6595197 kadmin dumps a core during ktadd
[16:00:43] <Vanuatoo> is opensound integrated in builds?
[16:01:44] <infidel> nachox, ? perl::TK?
[16:02:20] *** baijiutung has quit IRC
[16:02:33] <nachox> that is what the documentation say
[16:09:42] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris
[16:13:16] *** dunc has quit IRC
[16:13:25] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris
[16:16:50] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[16:19:07] *** lemur has left #opensolaris
[16:23:38] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris
[16:24:22] <WickedWicky> is it known behaviour under b72 that a user with /usr/bin/ksh93 as shell in /etc/passwd wont be able to log in to JDS?
[16:24:30] <WickedWicky> the X server will simply restart
[16:24:42] <WickedWicky> changing the shell to /usr/bin/ksh solves the problem
[16:24:59] <dlg> dont you have to register login shells somwehre?
[16:25:06] * dlg not sure if thats true on solaris
[16:25:48] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris
[16:26:06] <Berny> try to put ksh93 in /etc/shells
[16:27:15] <WickedWicky> let me try that
[16:27:17] <richlowe> dlg: it defaults to every shell delivered.
[16:27:19] <Berny> if that file is not existing.. put all shells you have in there... it seems like there is now a list of default shells which you can override with the contents of this file ... seeman shells
[16:27:20] <richlowe> except, apparently, ksh93
[16:27:25] <richlowe> so don't *only* add ksh93 to that file...
[16:27:34] <WickedWicky> well
[16:27:40] <WickedWicky> the entire file is non existant
[16:27:51] <WickedWicky> so I guess once it is created I should put any allowed shell there
[16:27:54] <WickedWicky> right?
[16:27:55] <Berny> ack
[16:27:55] <richlowe> man shells
[16:28:04] <Berny> theres a list in the shells manpage
[16:28:10] <dlg> i knew it
[16:28:18] <richlowe> actually, no.
[16:28:24] * dlg a genius
[16:28:25] <richlowe> ksh93 is in the list in the getusershell implementation.
[16:28:25] <nachox> libc has some defaults, but if i read the path correctly they added it
[16:28:57] <WickedWicky> ksh93 is not mentioned in the default list
[16:29:16] <WickedWicky> and creating an /etc/shells file will override the defaults, so yes, I will have to put all alowed shells in that file
[16:29:57] <richlowe> it's not in the manpage, it's in the source file.
[16:30:34] <Berny> did that sourcefile make it into b72? ;-)
[16:30:57] <WickedWicky> works now
[16:31:09] <WickedWicky> richlowe: the manpage shows a list of default shells used
[16:31:23] <Berny> manpages are always behind ;-)
[16:31:31] <Berny> first code, then document..
[16:32:10] <richlowe> Berny: that file was last touched with the initial ksh93 putback
[16:32:16] <richlowe> so if /etc/shells fixes it, color me confused.
[16:32:20] <WickedWicky> whichever was first, one has to create an /etc/shells file to be able having ksh93 as login shell
[16:32:20] *** estibi_ has quit IRC
[16:33:07] <Berny> hmm, is the path to ksh93 correct?
[16:33:25] <WickedWicky> yes
[16:33:30] <WickedWicky> su - patrick , worked
[16:33:36] <WickedWicky> echo $SHELL showed /usr/bin/ksh93
[16:33:51] *** Megaf has left #OpenSolaris
[16:33:56] <Berny> i mean in the getusershell implementation
[16:34:36] <richlowe> actually, gimme a sec.
[16:35:01] <dlg> sounds like a job for dtrace
[16:35:45] <seanmcg> wasn't this already a thread on desktop-discuss about ksh93 and logging in ?
[16:36:10] <WickedWicky> seanmcg: I dont know... which is why I am asking here first if its known behaviour
[16:36:47] <richlowe> seanmcg: I've seen mail about, but I don't think it was on that list.
[16:37:47] *** karrotx has quit IRC
[16:39:22] *** Sup3rkiddo has joined #opensolaris
[16:39:25] <seanmcg> Yaksha, twas a different mailing list (internal).  See /usr/dt/bin/Xsession - it doesn't list ksh93.  Think theres a bug logged already.
[16:40:12] <WickedWicky> that was to me? or?
[16:41:16] <seanmcg> s/Yaksha,/Ya/  sorry, twitchy fingers...
[16:41:43] <WickedWicky> hehe, okay, so I wont have to log a bug then, and indeed, ksh93 isnt in Xsession
[16:42:32] <WickedWicky> creating an /etc/shells file fixed it for now, so I am all happy :D
[16:42:33] <WickedWicky> thanks all
[16:52:16] *** xOmega has joined #opensolaris
[16:56:37] *** cmang has joined #opensolaris
[16:58:27] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[16:58:40] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[17:00:58] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[17:01:18] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris
[17:03:25] <CIA-25> gm89044: 6602421 panic in dca_encrypt() while handling an in-place call
[17:03:29] *** cmang__ has joined #opensolaris
[17:08:14] *** cmang_ has quit IRC
[17:11:49] *** estibi has quit IRC
[17:14:41] *** cmang has quit IRC
[17:14:42] *** johnlev has joined #opensolaris
[17:16:47] *** tamr has quit IRC
[17:17:56] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[17:27:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[17:33:10] *** baijiutong has quit IRC
[17:37:05] *** Andy_Pease has joined #opensolaris
[17:40:14] *** charlieS_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:42:01] *** Chihan has quit IRC
[17:47:24] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[17:48:23] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[17:49:20] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[17:49:24] *** badcoder has joined #opensolaris
[17:52:51] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[17:52:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[17:53:26] *** Fullmoon|office has quit IRC
[18:00:19] *** badcoder has quit IRC
[18:02:14] <CIA-25> dm199847: PSARC/2007/457 Winchester idmap(1M) update, 6567797 ambiguity: "unixname" as an ID type for both Unix users and groups, 6577598 idmap should return non-zero status on add/remove rule failures, 6577601 idmap should pinpoint the exact entry from the batch on update rules failures, 6579694 idmap should not display sid2pid fallback mapping if pid == -1, 6601140 idmap remove winname:aaa should remove the group rule too, 6599176 No strdup of idmap_u
[18:11:07] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[18:11:14] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[18:11:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[18:15:07] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris
[18:15:14] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris
[18:20:19] *** Cyrille has quit IRC
[18:25:40] *** Erwann has quit IRC
[18:28:11] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC
[18:29:41] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris
[18:30:16] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris
[18:32:05] *** crash__ has quit IRC
[18:32:20] *** Vorbis_w48 has joined #opensolaris
[18:33:02] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC
[18:39:05] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris
[18:39:15] *** crash__ has joined #opensolaris
[18:40:16] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[18:45:30] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[18:45:31] <Fish-> hello
[18:47:05] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris
[18:48:08] *** jwk404 has quit IRC
[18:49:23] *** sunman6 has quit IRC
[18:49:29] *** dunc has quit IRC
[18:49:34] *** sunman6 has joined #opensolaris
[18:49:47] *** Jagoma has quit IRC
[18:51:42] *** bondolo has quit IRC
[18:51:43] *** peteh has quit IRC
[18:51:48] *** Dar is now known as Dar_HOME
[18:54:30] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC
[18:58:57] *** RafaelTinoco has joined #opensolaris
[18:58:58] *** pschow has quit IRC
[19:00:14] <CIA-25> gz161490: PSARC 2007/053 Per-Disk-Device support of non-volatile cache, 6462690 sd driver should set SYNC_NV bit when issuing SYNCHRONIZE CACHE to SBC-2 devices
[19:00:59] *** RafaelTinoco has left #opensolaris
[19:03:19] *** RafaelTinoco has joined #opensolaris
[19:03:53] *** estibi has quit IRC
[19:06:06] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[19:06:25] *** estibi has quit IRC
[19:08:37] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris
[19:08:48] *** Shiv__ has joined #opensolaris
[19:10:29] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris
[19:11:36] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:11:42] *** bnitz has left #opensolaris
[19:11:45] *** Shiv has joined #opensolaris
[19:12:16] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[19:13:11] *** migi has quit IRC
[19:13:22] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[19:17:30] *** cydork has quit IRC
[19:25:04] *** NikolaVeber_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:25:26] *** pschow has joined #opensolaris
[19:25:35] *** NikolaVeber_ has quit IRC
[19:26:26] *** blueandwhiteg3 has joined #opensolaris
[19:26:36] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:26:46] *** blueandwhiteg3 has quit IRC
[19:26:51] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris
[19:31:22] *** badcoder has joined #opensolaris
[19:31:46] *** Shiv__ has quit IRC
[19:31:47] <badcoder> i get this when enabling samba on sol10 Start method failed repeatedly, last exited with status 255
[19:33:03] *** Chipdanc1r has quit IRC
[19:39:30] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC
[19:41:04] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[19:43:26] *** boyd has quit IRC
[19:44:09] *** timsf has quit IRC
[19:44:15] *** Shiv has left #opensolaris
[19:44:49] *** nachox has quit IRC
[19:47:31] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[19:50:58] *** andy_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:53:12] *** Andy_Pease has quit IRC
[19:56:23] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris
[19:57:40] *** Chipdanc1r has joined #opensolaris
[19:59:55] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris
[20:04:06] *** ontologist has joined #opensolaris
[20:05:39] <ontologist> Greetings.
[20:06:58] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris
[20:08:53] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris
[20:09:10] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris
[20:09:22] <ontologist> I have a S10u4 machine that, when performing an ldapsearch, fails to authenticate a user with a password more that 8 characters long *unless* that password is {crypt} hashed.  Anybody seen this?
[20:09:45] <ontologist> Server is OpenLDAP
[20:10:52] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone experienced issues booting SVCE 72 from a serial ata dvd (both solaris 10 - 10/6 and a newer solaris express developer edition work fine) or should I wait for the 9/07 Solaris express developer edition ? (or is there a RC of this ?)
[20:12:06] <RElling> there is a bug in b72 that it doesn't recognize some ATA devices, DVD/CD being the most commonly lost.
[20:13:43] <badcoder> RElling in build 70 i get error code 0x3 with my hds , so i disabled acpi on bios
[20:14:06] <RElling> See CR 6600169 CD/DVD Drive not detected in B72
[20:14:54] <h3sp4wn> RElling: Thankyou - is there a method to obtain from anywhere older releases (other than 05/07)
[20:14:57] <RElling> badcoder: did it work for b70?  The b72 ATA driver bug is different.
[20:15:25] <badcoder> yep i get rid of error code msgs doing that.
[20:15:40] *** TrogL has joined #opensolaris
[20:16:01] <RElling> h3sp4wn: a temporary workaround was to use the b71 ATA driver, but I'm not sure how easy that will be.
[20:16:05] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[20:16:26] <TrogL> /usr/openwin/bin/xhost +  returns "./xhost:  unable to open display ""
[20:16:34] <RElling> h3sp4wn: I also had some luck with reducing/shuffling the devices, but that is not a real fix.
[20:16:42] <TrogL> this used to work.  what could have gone wrong?
[20:16:55] <TrogL> the box doesn't even HAVE a display
[20:17:40] <TrogL> errr. I've got that bakcwards.
[20:18:01] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC
[20:18:06] <TrogL> even so, on a different box which does, I'm getting the same thing
[20:18:58] <RElling> TrogL: the current wind seems to suggest using ssh -X rather than Xserver security
[20:19:23] <richlowe> painful way to use something as an xterminal though
[20:20:17] <RElling> Also, by default, the Xserver does not allow remote connections.  See Xserver(1) for the magic incantation
[20:21:40] <RElling> Xterminal?  searching... searching... found, just behind the braincells on "how to use adjust the choke" :-)
[20:22:21] <RElling> An Xterminal would have a different setup, though
[20:24:55] <ontologist> BTW, sotruss shows that ldapsearch is using getpass() and not getpassphrase()
[20:25:28] <ontologist> I changed my /etc/security/policy.conf to use 2a
[20:28:16] <ontologist> Why would ldapsearch (using getpass()) work with a {CRYPT} hashed password stored in userPassword and not {SSHA}?
[20:28:39] <ontologist> ...longer taht 8 characters tht is ;-)
[20:29:11] <ontologist> s/that/than
[20:30:55] <e^ipi> Hmm... this machine won't suspend
[20:34:34] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris
[20:34:39] <jbk> ontologist: file a bug
[20:35:16] <ontologist> no prob.
[20:45:17] *** duri has quit IRC
[20:45:33] *** duri has joined #opensolaris
[20:52:17] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC
[20:54:59] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[20:59:25] *** jafari has quit IRC
[21:00:14] <CIA-25> ab196087: 6602992 file(1) command does not understand ELF files with extended indices
[21:00:15] <CIA-25> rie: 6603313 dlclose() can fail to unload objects after fix for 6573641
[21:01:32] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[21:05:35] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris
[21:08:22] *** charlesnw has quit IRC
[21:10:00] <TrogL> RElling:  http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/802-2011/6i60mct6h?l=en&a=view
[21:10:23] <TrogL> I'm not seeing the magic incantation (and dont' remember having to done in the past)
[21:14:56] *** nostoi has quit IRC
[21:16:17] <RElling> TrogL: geez, that is the Solaris 2.6 man page... probably 12 years old now... the docs.sun.com search tends to suck
[21:19:28] *** comay has quit IRC
[21:19:59] *** RafaelTinoco has quit IRC
[21:20:04] *** comay has joined #opensolaris
[21:22:17] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC
[21:23:57] *** aglio2 has joined #opensolaris
[21:24:38] <victori_> what is this java process running in my zone under noaccess? some type of panel for the zone?
[21:27:34] <seanmcg> victori_: at aguess its webconsole; 'svcs webconsole' to see if its enabled or not.
[21:27:47] <RElling> docs.sun.com really does suck, lots of missing man pages for recent releases...
[21:28:07] <victori_> web console first time i heard of that
[21:29:22] *** hali_ is now known as hali
[21:31:07] <agliodbs> hey, anyone know if I can somehow get scriptreplay on Solaris?
[21:31:09] <RElling> TrogL: I'll cut-n-paste from the man page
[21:31:24] <RElling>   Example: Allow remote access
[21:31:25] <RElling>      The following command allows access from remote clients.
[21:31:25] <RElling>      svccfg -s svc:/application/x11/x11-server setprop options/tcp_listen = true
[21:31:33] <agliodbs> we have "script", but replay seems to only exist in linux-utils project
[21:33:06] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[21:33:09] <RElling> isn't scriptreplay just a perl script?
[21:39:01] <TrogL> Relling: thanks
[21:41:10] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[21:41:11] <paul> TrogL: use ssh
[21:41:25] <paul> TrogL: using xhost + is utterly insecure
[21:41:52] <paul> TrogL: anyone woh can reach that Xsever can sniff the keystrokes
[21:42:47] <paul> If I were your colleague, I wouldnt do that, but I would fill your display full of crap, until you desisted from tempting me so.. ;)
[21:43:40] <paul> TrogL: ssh -X remotehost
[21:43:47] <paul> then run your application
[21:44:01] <paul> or: ssh -X remotehost application
[21:44:19] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC
[21:46:21] <TrogL> paul: agreed and thats' what I'm working towards, but today I just want the user working, nothing has changed other than the app server crashed (hardware problem)
[21:46:35] <TrogL> on reboot, it won't do xhost +
[21:47:25] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris
[21:47:35] *** FBdev has joined #opensolaris
[21:49:19] <paul> TrogL: as you wish, be sure to let the user know they shouldn't type in Cc info, or write any emails to their secret-lovers, etc..
[21:50:08] <paul> (least, not on apps displaying to that same Xserver)
[21:54:08] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc
[21:57:13] <flyingparchment> does shared SAM-QFS require a certified array?
[21:57:20] <flyingparchment> (are any iscsi arrays certified?)
[21:57:57] <TrogL> paul: she's trying to use a Sparc 5 as a display terminal.  it's running 2.5.
[21:58:13] <paul> TrogL: ah, wow.. ;)
[21:59:42] <badcoder> anyone using samba from /usr/sfw ? i can get mine to work in a fresh sol 10 08/7 install
[22:00:08] <Stric> This might sound odd, but.. Does anyone here happen to have access to AIX 5.3 Expansion CD #1? :)
[22:00:16] <CIA-25> robj: 6492246 x64 cpu/mem topology/diagnosis should include FRU labels, 6552234 Add propset/propmethod/propmap support to topology XML schema and libtopo parsing engine, 6562046 libtopo dcmds cause mdb crash, 6577125 fmtopo coredumps in print_fmri_props, 6577127 wrong topo_method_invoke return code when method versions mismatch, 6578581 using fmsim in root account. The fmsim can not be started., 6601280 add interfaces to libipmi to simplify access to fr
[22:00:17] <CIA-25> wyllys: 6546405 KMF Interfaces need to be extensible (fix lint)
[22:01:53] <WickedWicky> badcoder: I use samba in opensolaris
[22:02:11] <WickedWicky> gotcha is: you can't use "!" in your passphrases
[22:02:22] <WickedWicky> which is kinda cool
[22:02:25] <WickedWicky> not.
[22:03:11] <WickedWicky> you'll need to create an smb.conf file in /etc/sfw/
[22:03:18] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:03:59] <WickedWicky> after that I could start samba with /usr/sfw/sbin/smbd
[22:05:33] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris
[22:05:40] *** ontologist has quit IRC
[22:06:02] <_setuid_H> Does anybody here have Thinkpad R60 with Solaris installed?
[22:06:23] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris
[22:09:39] <badcoder> yes i already created
[22:09:44] <badcoder> in /etc/sfw
[22:10:01] <badcoder> but svcadm enable samba does not start nmbd
[22:10:21] <badcoder> and i can login with any user  i already smbpasswd user -a
[22:11:48] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris
[22:11:57] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris
[22:12:00] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris
[22:12:09] <WickedWicky> you mean you can login with any acount? do you have a line: guest ok = no
[22:12:10] <WickedWicky> ?
[22:12:18] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris
[22:12:39] <badcoder> my security is user
[22:12:53] <badcoder> i mean i cant login
[22:12:54] <WickedWicky> hm
[22:12:57] <badcoder> with any account
[22:13:12] <badcoder> i got to start manually nmbd to see the share on the lan
[22:13:44] <WickedWicky> that I don't know :s
[22:14:03] *** laca has quit IRC
[22:14:34] *** xOmega has quit IRC
[22:15:33] <seanmcg> badcoder: the samba SMF service just starts smbd.  If you want nmbd started too you'll need to enable the svc:/network/wins service
[22:16:41] <seanmcg> they were separated out to let samba have different name servive back ends, wins, winbind, ldap..  etc
[22:16:52] *** fbo has quit IRC
[22:21:33] *** sarahj has quit IRC
[22:21:39] *** FBdev has quit IRC
[22:23:04] *** glagasse has quit IRC
[22:23:05] *** estibi has quit IRC
[22:23:51] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[22:24:00] *** boyd_ has quit IRC
[22:26:20] <badcoder> ah thakns saenmcg
[22:35:51] *** FBdev has joined #opensolaris
[22:36:20] *** badcoder has left #opensolaris
[22:36:38] *** vmlemon has quit IRC
[22:37:39] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris
[22:38:22] *** perlmonk has quit IRC
[22:46:16] <FBdev> hi everybody
[22:46:43] <FBdev> I got a panic with SunCluster 3.2 on a ultra 5 SunOS Release 5.10 Version Generic_125100-10 64-bit
[22:47:18] <FBdev> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/701086
[22:48:20] <FBdev> it's got a shared A5200 in a single loop conf and right befoe joining the cluster it panics and dumps with error panic[cpu0]/thread=30002146960: clconf: Failed to open table infrastructure in unregister_infr_callback
[22:49:07] *** crash__ has quit IRC
[22:49:29] <FBdev> wich in cluster errors database the solution is 'check table infrastructure' I have not found such a thing either in google or the system, anybody knows what is it, please? Yhank you for your time
[22:50:03] *** masta has joined #opensolaris
[22:51:04] <PerterB> I suspect your best bet is to open a support call or ask on ha-cluster-discuss
[22:51:50] <FBdev> PerterB cheers
[23:00:18] <CIA-25> kchow: 6580117 panic: assertion failed: ISP2(CPUSETSIZE()) on VIA Esther based system
[23:00:19] <CIA-25> jwahlig: 6605258 NFS server panic at: nfssrv:rfs4_findfile
[23:01:59] <holcomb> lots of putbacks today
[23:03:16] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris
[23:04:15] *** Fish- has quit IRC
[23:05:24] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris
[23:05:36] *** crash__ has joined #opensolaris
[23:06:35] <masta> does smpatch or update manager fetch things for the developer express version?
[23:07:44] *** FelipeBare has quit IRC
[23:07:55] <infidel> how do i configure sound?
[23:08:48] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris
[23:09:08] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[23:11:06] <alanc> masta: only for any add-on packages that have patches, like the compilers - there are no patches for the OS itself in the express versions for a patch manager to fetch
[23:12:43] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris
[23:13:12] <masta> dang... I suppose I want b72... but that will require effort... oh bummer
[23:13:14] *** yippi has quit IRC
[23:13:31] <alanc> yeah, for now, to get b72 you have to download the entire ISO's
[23:13:48] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris
[23:14:02] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC
[23:14:11] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman
[23:14:18] <alanc> Project Indiana says they'll fix that in the future, with an online package repository to grab just the changed packages from, but that's the future
[23:14:46] <richlowe> the same future that promised us flying cars.
[23:14:55] <richlowe> curse you, future!
[23:15:35] <alanc> can we blame Gman for not having flying cars too?
[23:16:45] <alanc> damn, I need to stop fixing xserver/font bugs before people get the wrong idea...
[23:17:34] *** jafari has quit IRC
[23:22:52] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris
[23:23:31] <WickedWicky> what do you mean, no flying cars? should I file a bug?
[23:25:05] *** cmihai has quit IRC
[23:25:11] <alanc> RFE
[23:25:22] <WickedWicky> brb then
[23:25:24] <WickedWicky> :P
[23:25:48] <infidel> any docs of configuring sound?
[23:30:11] *** derchris has quit IRC
[23:30:26] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[23:37:22] *** infidel has quit IRC
[23:39:15] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[23:44:06] *** Drone has quit IRC
[23:47:50] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[23:48:30] *** solfan has joined #opensolaris
[23:49:28] <solfan> what are some steps to take when solaris won't boot after upgrading from 11/06 to 8/07?
[23:50:06] <alanc> any error messages?
[23:50:19] <quasi> solfan: switch your LU back to the old bootenv
[23:50:55] <solfan> I actually did an install over the top of my 11/06 version.
[23:51:14] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC
[23:51:15] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:51:18] <solfan> it seems that 8/07 is not running on the hardware that worked with 11/06.
[23:51:39] <alanc> it should be
[23:51:53] <alanc> no hardware support was intentionally removed that I know of
[23:51:54] <solfan> that's what confuses me.
[23:52:22] <quasi> which brings us back to 23:50 <@alanc> any error messages?
[23:52:52] <solfan> i get a smbios error and it stops at kb80420is /isa/i8042@1,60
[23:53:22] *** charlesnw has quit IRC
[23:53:56] <quasi> keyboard trouble - odd
[23:54:01] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris
[23:54:10] <solfan> could it be some kernel features that were added are preventing solaris from working even though it works perfectly with 11/06 (solaris 11/06 is awesome, thanks SUN!).
[23:54:21] <estibi_> hi solfan, have you tried core networking install ?
[23:54:30] <alanc> tips for debugging hangs or panics at boot are on http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
[23:54:54] <quasi> estibi_: it is a bit late for an upgrade
[23:55:19] <solfan> thanks alan, I'll try that and see what I get.
[23:55:36] <solfan> brb
[23:56:26] *** solfan has quit IRC
[23:58:01] <estibi_> quasi: hi said yesterday that hi will try core networking install





top