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[00:09:54] <Gman> jbk, hrm, i thought that was fixed in a recent build, but obviously not
[00:10:19] <Gman> jbk, that feature seems to break just about every other build
[00:10:34] <richlowe> nah, it's been consistently broken for several.
[00:10:41] <richlowe> which, in theory, is better than before.
[00:10:48] <richlowe> in that it's 2 bugs, versuse Nbuilds/2 bugs.
[00:10:53] <richlowe> 'versus'
[00:11:21] <Gman> the patch landed in the community for 2.19
[00:11:26] <Gman> so that's an improvement
[00:11:32] <Gman> anyways, it's sunday, and i'm not here :)
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[00:13:03] <richlowe> some days I despair of humanity.
[00:13:45] <richlowe> > pkgchk -lp /usr/sfw/lib/webmin/blue-theme/samba/images/.svn/wcprops/askepass.gif.svn-work 2>/dev/null | grep 'SUNW'
[00:13:49] <richlowe>         SUNWwebminu
[00:13:56] <richlowe> I'm so glad people pay attention when packaging software.
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[00:26:19] <badcoder> is possible to cancel a zfs scrub ?
[00:26:55] <richlowe> zpool scrub -s, I think
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[00:35:53] <jbk> richlowe: gonna file a bug on that?
[00:35:57] <richlowe> just did.
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[01:11:37] <badcoder> how can i debug hang ups , i already set the deadman timer  but when my system hangsup it does not generate core
[01:12:00] <jbk> is a dump device set?
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[01:13:54] <badcoder>       Dump content: kernel pages
[01:13:55] <badcoder>        Dump device: /dev/dsk/c0d0s7 (swap)
[01:13:55] <badcoder> Savecore directory: /var/crash/atena
[01:14:18] <badcoder>  Savecore enabled: yes
[01:15:15] <jbk> hmm
[01:15:21] <jbk> have you tried booting w/ kmdb?
[01:15:58] <badcoder> no i have not tried that , how do i do it ?
[01:16:06] <jbk> in grub
[01:16:11] <jbk> edit the solaris entry
[01:16:28] <jbk> and on the kernel line, add '-k' to the line
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[01:17:06] <jbk> i.e. /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix ... -k
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[01:17:47] <badcoder> if i got another option  i just paste -k at the end o , -k
[01:17:59] <jbk> yeah
[01:18:08] <badcoder> i upgraded from b68 to b70
[01:18:27] <badcoder> and my hdd show error code 0x3 gen-ata
[01:18:46] <badcoder> in b54 it does not happen nor in 68
[01:19:05] <jbk> then, when it hangs, you should be able to hit a key sequence to drop into the debugger
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[01:19:27] <jbk> (though I can't remember the keys on x86)
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[01:20:27] <badcoder> thanks jbk ill look that up
[01:21:25] <jbk> if it does drop you to the debugger, the :c command i believe will give you a stack backtrace
[01:22:00] <Tpenta> try ::stack
[01:22:02] <Tpenta> :c is continue
[01:24:31] <jbk> heh.. shows how much i use it :)
[01:24:59] <jbk> (I tend to have the mdb guide open in another window while using it :P)
[01:26:31] <nrubsig> what is Gman's email again ?
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[01:27:42] <badcoder0> i just hit deadman timer generating core
[01:28:57] <jbk> nrubsig: firstname.lastname at sun dot com
[01:29:04] <nrubsig> jbk: I know.
[01:29:14] <nrubsig> jbk: but I don't know Gman's last name.
[01:29:18] <jbk> oh
[01:29:24] <jbk> well that's what you should have said :)
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[01:29:30] <jbk> foster
[01:30:34] <jbk> Tpenta: i thought there was a single character command though that did the backtrace
[01:30:39] <jbk> maybe i'm just imaging it..
[01:31:19] <richlowe> $C
[01:31:21] <richlowe> and $c
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[01:32:49] <jharr> Hi guys...
[01:33:26] <jharr> Kind of in an odd spot, I setup a mirrored root
[01:33:35] <jharr> and I just recently rebooted the box
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[01:34:03] <jharr> and the root mirror goes into maint. mode.
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[01:34:38] <jharr> I have md:mirrored_root_flag=1
[01:34:45] <jharr> in my /etc/system
[01:35:31] <jharr> I either need to switch my root fs over to a non-mirror temporarily, or figure out what's wrong... I'm having a hard time doing either because my root fs is read-only.
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[01:36:24] <azories> this is so kinky, websites dont have anything better to do then funny logo's with loseless info? www.iplobster.com lol check this www.ipchicken.com/
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[01:47:44] <axs> hi
[01:49:14] <axs> :(... well... i have to go... bye guys i'll be back someday...
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[02:08:38] <nrubsig> Ok, does anyone have other ideads for more demos ?
[02:08:48] <nrubsig> s/ideads/ideas/
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[02:13:23] <mw46> hi;-)
[02:13:38] <mw46> I've a question regarding zones and NTP;-)
[02:15:06] <jbk> well....
[02:15:32] <jbk> we can't answer it if you don't ask it
[02:15:33] <mw46> I've a global zone which does not see the internet but the configured zones can see the wide internet. So how would I set up a NTP system so that the box and all others behind it can have a sync time.
[02:15:35] <mw46> ??
[02:16:21] <mw46> I've just seen that a !global zone can't act as a NTP server:-(
[02:16:26] <jbk> i don't think that's possible since i don't believe you can set the clock from a non-global zone (though perhaps there's a privledge that would allow that)
[02:17:29] <mw46> :-(
[02:19:35] <jbk> the problem is there is 1 clock for all zones
[02:19:46] <mw46> yes.
[02:19:48] <jbk> so if you do allow one zone to do that, it affects all zones
[02:20:45] <jbk> you could try adding sys_time to the privset of one the zones and try running ntp in there, but you need to be aware of the security implications of doing that
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[02:27:24] <mw46> Thanks, I'll try to play with that a bit;-)
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[02:30:53] <victori>  hi I just changed my nic card and interface changed, how do I updated svc network-physical with the changes?
[02:30:58] <victori>  where are the profile configuration stored?
[02:33:22] <bda> /etc/hostname.<if>
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[02:45:45] <badcoder0> after a crash dump
[02:46:27] <badcoder0> i get partition type 0xbf unknown , is a zfs root
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[03:07:40] <dclarke> 8-)
[03:08:19] * dclarke tests for the optimal gzip http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/GNU_gzip_1.3.12_sparc.txt
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[03:31:12] <jpd> for b72 where the update option gone for the installer?
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[03:38:16] <jpd> b72 sparc just seems to want to install, no option to do an update. any ideas why?
[03:39:13] <johnlev> what option did you choose in the grub menu?
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[03:42:55] <jpd> theres no grub on sparc version yet
[03:43:20] <Triskelios> hopefully there shouldn't need to be
[03:43:37] <jpd> think theres going to be :(
[03:43:46] <jpd> bodge to get zfs boot
[03:44:43] <jpd> any ideas on if theres a way to force the installer into update mode?
[03:46:34] <johnlev> sorry, I missed the 'sparc'
[03:46:55] <johnlev> jpd: there won't be grub on sparc.
[03:47:12] <jpd> k - so no ideas then?
[03:47:25] <jpd> it just a bug in b72 installer?
[03:48:55] <johnlev> I dunno about sparc.
[03:48:56] <johnlev> sorry.
[03:49:25] <jpd> there links to the old iso images?
[03:49:56] <jpd> or do i have to wait for b73 or SXDE?
[03:51:59] <victori_> so blastwave is the preferred package management?
[03:53:24] <jpd> yes and no
[03:53:50] <jpd> you get your pre-compiled apps + depedancys = yay
[03:54:16] <jpd> you get some crazy dependancys :(
[03:56:39] <jpd> the pkg-get should have a yes flag to make your life easier
[03:59:08] <jpd> so no ideas then? no build 72 for me then :(
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[04:02:00] <hile_> blastwave in production? are you nuts?
[04:02:06] <hile_> N V T S nuts!
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[04:07:17] <victori_> hile_: I don't think the universe is going to break down if I use blastwave to get utilities like wget in production
[04:07:47] <rootard> I use blastwave in production... I have the live package copy and then once I am happy that everything works, I rsync /opt/csw to a "stable" export.
[04:08:57] <victori_> someone mentioned ill never be using vipw in solaris
[04:09:00] <victori_> what is the alternative?
[04:09:11] <victori_> (command line) since I don't have access to a monitor to the server
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[04:10:23] <hile_> victori - wget ships with Solaris
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[04:10:37] <victori_> ugh where is it?
[04:10:45] <victori_> companion cd?
[04:11:00] <hile_> (2) you should NEVER install any package on a produciton machine without knowing exactly what it  does and what files it installs, and what effects, if any it has on your production environment
[04:11:01] <hile_> /usr/sfw/bin
[04:11:06] <hile_> see filesystem(5)
[04:13:18] <e^ipi> ugh... I just got coffee grounds in my eye
[04:14:36] <e^ipi> hurts like hell
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[04:25:59] <dclarke> hile_ : for the sake of argument .. the binaries in /usr/sfw/bin are built using the same tools and same options that Blastwave uses
[04:26:07] <dclarke> except blastwave has more up to date stuff
[04:26:19] <dclarke> you can always build from source of course
[04:27:22] <dclarke> of course .. by that same argument Solaris can not be trusted because Solaris 10 Update 3 shipped with a massive gaping telnet security hole and it came directly from Sun after a bizillion dollars of testing
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[04:27:35] <dclarke> so .. you better just go to Linux and build from sources
[04:34:30] <jbk> are we gonna have to dig out reflections on trusting trust? :)
[04:35:12] <dclarke> oh hell .. let's put me and Steve Christensen and a few other people in a cage match fist fight and see who walks out !
[04:35:18] <dclarke> the winner takes all !
[04:41:16] <victori_> I wish sun would knock it off with their forced registration for any bit of piece of software
[04:41:26] <victori_> looking @ the coolstack specifically
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[04:53:36] <dclarke> this is such drivel http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/GNU_gzip_1.3.12_sparc.txt
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[04:59:09] <dclarke> victori : ultimately you need to be tracked .. counted .. weighed and then taxed
[05:00:10] <g4lt-sb100> under NO circumstances check the "I agree ot be part of the soylent green test group" box
[05:00:31] <dclarke> mmmm .. soylent green
[05:00:46] <dclarke> can I have the furniture ?
[05:01:37] <g4lt-sb100> you'd have to ask marketing
[05:06:04] <g4lt-sb100> how much space to give to brandz...
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[05:37:02] <Shiv__> To build a sub-tree of ON, the devref & README.opensolaris says use bldenv and then dmake for the sub-dir. But I see that tools need to be built before any other sub-dir. Is the dependancy info available.
[05:37:03] <Shiv__> (Earlier, I used to use nightly and hence no issues. Now space constraints)
[05:37:45] <victori_> wanted to run a quick microbenchmark with ab , it keeps failing with apr_socket_connect(): Operation already in progress (37)
[05:37:46] <Shiv__> A test build of vi fails after tools, maybe it needs "common", devref doesnt provide the dependancy info.
[05:37:49] <victori_> anyway o fix that?
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[07:40:31] <nrubsig> Doesn SMF have an IRC channel ?
[07:42:27] <Tempt> svcadm enable smf-irc
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[07:43:35] * rootard scratches head
[07:43:41] <rootard> I must be missing a package: Pattern 'smf-irc' doesn't match any instances
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[07:54:03] <JWheeler> nrubsig, silly trolling aside, there isn't a dedicated support channel, if that is your question (it really is a bit hard to tell)
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[08:25:30] <_array> hey guys, I've got an Netra T1 Ultrasparc it has no CDROM and no OS installed
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[08:25:41] <_array> for me to do a network install (using jumpstart) do I need to have Solaris installed somewhere running the jumpstart service
[08:25:52] <_array> or is there a way I can do it so it downloads direct from the internet?
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[08:27:23] <fermatstheorem> hello all. newb here. can anybody tell me which desktop brand+model's hardware hs full opensolaris support(no, not sun's own,i am poor), i would like to setup a zfs based file server
[08:28:52] <fermatstheorem> ?
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[08:39:42] <rootard> _array: net install is easiest if there is already a jumpstart server. If not, you can plug in a usb-cd/dvdrom and install from that.
[08:42:19] <rootard> fermatstheorem: there is a lot supported. If you are just curious you might consider a virtual machine (for eg vmware)
[08:43:11] <rootard> I've taken 3 random x86 (two are 64bit one is 32bit) machines and OpenSolaris has worked.
[08:43:28] <Gekkko> rootard: then it isn't x86.
[08:43:33] <Gekkko> because x86 is 32-bit...
[08:44:07] <rootard> Gekko: true. Both 64 bit machines are amd64.
[08:44:20] <Gekkko> x86_64 or x64 then.
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[08:44:26] <rootard> The 32 bit machine is a centrino loptop
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[08:44:36] <Gekkko> I'll give you $20 for it
[08:44:37] <Gekkko> lol
[08:44:40] <flyingparchment> Gekkko: no, in solaris land the arch is called 'amd64' ..
[08:44:48] <flyingparchment> x86-64 is a linux thing :)
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[08:52:32] <Gekkko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
[08:52:45] <Gekkko> is generally substituted by the x64 name (exclusive for 64-bit software[3]) at least in personal computing and servers[4].
[08:53:02] 
[08:53:20] <Gekkko> AMD, who would traditionally follow the lead of Intel, took the initiative of extending the 32-bit x86 architecture to 64-bit, initially calling it x86-64, later renaming it AMD64.
[08:53:32] <flyingparchment> river@yarrow:~>isainfo
[08:53:32] <flyingparchment> amd64 i386
[08:53:43] <Gekkko> Linux distributions refer to it either as "x86-64", its variant "x86_64", or "amd64". BSD systems use "amd64" while Mac OS X uses "x86_64".
[08:55:06] <Gekkko> This leads to the common use of the names x86-64 or x64 as more vendor-neutral terms to collectively refer to the two nearly identical implementations.
[08:56:35] <Gekkko> Linux was the first operating system kernel to run the x86-64 architecture in long mode, starting with the 2.4 version prior to the physical hardware's availability.
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[09:03:24] <Tempt> boyd: ping
[09:03:25] <Tempt> boyd: ping
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[09:14:21] <solfan> what changed between 11/06 and 8/07?
[09:14:56] <solfan> I  have a computer that installed perfectly with 11/06 and now just hangs on the copyright section on 8/07
[09:14:59] <solfan> any thoughts?
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[10:15:18] <LeftWing> ls
[10:15:26] <LeftWing> ...
[10:15:29] * LeftWing grumbles.
[10:15:48] <Fish-> hello
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[10:21:28] <flyingparchment>  Sep 16 07:41:22 yarrow vxio: [ID 771159 kern.warning] WARNING: VxVM vxio V-5-0-2 Subdisk ift01-01 block 1127677184: Uncorrectable read error
[10:21:34] * flyingparchment could've done without that
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[11:08:53] <WickedWicky> dobre den
[11:08:56] <WickedWicky> hi all!
[11:09:09] <Tempt> OH NOES
[11:09:16] <Tempt> :)
[11:09:38] <Tempt> what's up?
[11:09:56] <WickedWicky> me!
[11:10:09] <WickedWicky> showered, prada fragrance, and now a cup of coffee
[11:10:22] <WickedWicky> 'warming up for the F1 race this afternoon
[11:10:33] <WickedWicky> and how's you?
[11:10:36] <Tempt> That's quite a lot of morning effort.
[11:10:46] <Tempt> It's 19:10 on Sunday here, and I'm watching teev and having a cuppa.
[11:10:58] <WickedWicky> a cuppa implies tea...
[11:11:01] <flyingparchment> ITYM "a beer"?
[11:11:29] <WickedWicky> anything but tea, I hope
[11:11:30] <Tempt> No, tea.
[11:11:37] <WickedWicky> with milk?
[11:11:39] <Tempt> It's Sunday evening, FFS.
[11:11:47] <Tempt> I don't need beer every day of the week
[11:11:54] <WickedWicky> that's great
[11:11:57] <WickedWicky> but still.... you're drinking tea
[11:11:59] <Tempt> And no milk.
[11:12:08] <flyingparchment> you don't?  hm.  maybe that's just me.
[11:12:21] <WickedWicky> not needing doesnt imply not taking :P
[11:12:26] <Tempt> Could be. I need the night off beer every now and again.
[11:12:31] <WickedWicky> it's sunday evening, we dont know what he drunk during the day
[11:12:57] <Tempt> aspirin to counter the fallout from last night.
[11:13:06] <WickedWicky> asperin + beer == trouble
[11:13:21] <WickedWicky> you okay? or just hungover?
[11:13:40] <Tempt> Was a little hung over before
[11:14:12] <flyingparchment> a hang over is the body's way of saying it needs more alcohol
[11:14:21] <Tempt> hah.
[11:14:41] <Tempt> A hangover is the body's way of saying "You idiot! You stopped drinking! Why did you do that?"
[11:17:24] <WickedWicky> this night my sleep got brutaly disrupted by an E.R. chopper looking for a place to land
[11:18:33] <WickedWicky> apparantly somebody didnt see the round-about and launched himself into the sloggi billboard
[11:18:42] <WickedWicky> that's a fucking sad way to end your saturday evening
[11:19:05] <trochej> HMmm
[11:19:14] <trochej> Playlist is patented. How nice.
[11:19:21] <WickedWicky> que?
[11:19:43] <trochej>  /.
[11:20:11] <Tempt> death by underwear advert
[11:20:14] <Tempt> that's classy.
[11:20:32] <Tempt> last thing to go through your mind is a picture of a g-string. literally.
[11:20:48] <trochej> On a female?
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[11:21:28] <WickedWicky> yea
[11:21:53] <trochej> I can go that way.
[11:22:08] <Tempt> It's a billboard.
[11:22:11] <WickedWicky> I doubt he got a clue about what's was going on
[11:22:19] <trochej> Tempt: Still, it's a nice last sight.
[11:22:26] <Tempt> Well, possibly.
[11:22:27] <WickedWicky> I mean, if you dont see the round-about with the street lights
[11:22:40] <WickedWicky> then you're prolly too sleepy or too drunk to see the string fatima moreira is wearing
[11:22:46] <Tempt> Ooh.
[11:22:48] <Tempt> Indeed.
[11:23:41] <trochej> Or he was too excited about fatima moreira :)
[11:23:43] <WickedWicky> OR, got your drivers licence with a pack of peanutbutter
[11:23:46] <trochej> Whoever thatis
[11:24:13] <trochej> ok
[11:24:15] <trochej> [d]
[11:28:25] <WickedWicky> a dutch hockey playster
[11:29:01] <WickedWicky> http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/thadonk/FatimaMoreiraDeMelo-FHM7.jpg
[11:29:22] <WickedWicky> http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/art/13/9/11/large_321683.jpg
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[11:31:00] <trygvis> nice snake
[11:31:05] <WickedWicky> ya
[11:32:48] <WickedWicky> there once was a study here that concluded that people who dream a lot about snakes, have a higher interest and need for sex
[11:32:56] <WickedWicky> I see how this photo fits in
[11:33:05] <trygvis> hehe
[11:35:27] <WickedWicky> holy
[11:35:34] * WickedWicky is trying Azureus Vuze
[11:35:42] <flyingparchment> is that azureus 3.0?
[11:35:49] <WickedWicky> yes
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[11:37:32] <Tempt> what's new in it?
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[11:37:51] <WickedWicky> the entire interface, direct legal content download
[11:38:01] <WickedWicky> (like movie trailers, video clips)
[11:38:06] <WickedWicky> online media buying
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[11:38:18] <flyingparchment> odd things to put in a BT client
[11:38:43] <WickedWicky> maybe this is a Kazaa way to get rid of lawyers
[11:39:13] <WickedWicky> integrate your torrent engine in a legal download application, et voila, laywers cant say how you're provoking illegal downloads
[11:39:50] <Tempt> sounds stupid
[11:39:54] <WickedWicky> ya
[11:39:57] <Tempt> I bet they packed with spyware/malware crap
[11:40:04] <WickedWicky> it's java
[11:40:09] <WickedWicky> it's crap already
[11:40:09] * flyingparchment hopes they keep maintaining 2.5
[11:41:24] <Tempt> Hey
[11:41:28] <Tempt> I *like* azureus
[11:41:38] <Tempt> But not with all this crap attached.
[11:42:24] <WickedWicky> 2.5 is still there as well
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[11:42:43] <delewis> I observed an interesting "bug" (perhaps an "intentional bug") in Azureus 3.0: apparently, it'll reset your upload cap that you've specificed to the default for whatever connection you specified after a period of time.
[11:43:51] * Auralis still uses 2.2, newer versions never worked right here
[11:44:10] <delewis> I'm still using 2.5 on Windows and Solaris/SPARC.
[11:44:17] <delewis> 3.0 had too many annoyances.
[11:44:41] <Tempt> Yep.
[11:45:07] <WickedWicky> we'll see
[11:45:14] <WickedWicky> I am even running a legal copy of Vista
[11:47:07] <Tempt> Sad.
[11:47:14] <Tempt> Sad to Vista
[11:47:18] <Tempt> Sad to you for paying for it.
[11:47:23] <WickedWicky> ..
[11:47:25] <WickedWicky> I didnt pay
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[11:49:00] <delewis> You may not be paying some specified monetary value, but you are paying with your freedoms.
[11:49:22] <Tempt> and your soul
[11:49:29] <delewis> Microsoft has granted you the ability to "use" your "legal" copy of Windows Vista.
[11:49:38] <WickedWicky> it's legal
[11:49:47] <WickedWicky> via work
[11:49:52] <delewis> you're failing to see the distinction here.
[11:50:31] <delewis> you're apparently capable of making the distinction between "legal" and "illegal" but cannot see that you've only been granted explicitly granted the "right" to "use" your legal copy of Microsoft Windows Vista.
[11:50:38] <delewis> that's highly ironic.
[11:51:58] <WickedWicky> well, gimme a player that can do DRMed ASF/WMV content and I'm happely ditching Windows
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[11:52:06] <Tempt> oh yeah
[11:52:11] <delewis> why don't you take that up with your media provider?
[11:52:16] <Tempt> because there's so much DRMed ASF/WMV worth watching
[11:52:19] <WickedWicky> we are the media provider
[11:52:32] <delewis> so don't provide DRM'd content.
[11:52:36] <WickedWicky> lol
[11:52:37] <WickedWicky> yeah
[11:52:41] <WickedWicky> RTL television will love that
[11:52:47] <WickedWicky> so will the dutch football league
[11:52:56] <WickedWicky> they like to see money for their "services'
[11:53:15] <delewis> make an authentication mechanism mandatory then?
[11:53:24] <WickedWicky> look
[11:53:35] <delewis> the media, itself, is not a location for the authentication mechanism.
[11:53:38] <delewis> Where you access that media is.
[11:53:41] <WickedWicky> the content party decides if stuff needs to be DRM-ed
[11:53:44] <WickedWicky> not we
[11:54:05] <delewis> then take the issue up with your content party. No one will be providing an "open source" solution to DRM content.
[11:54:25] <WickedWicky> and content parties like television broadcasters will ditch drm probably in the same year you can call Sun support for free when your machine is on fire
[11:54:38] <WickedWicky> no
[11:54:40] <WickedWicky> but it would be nice
[11:54:43] <delewis> And that means you're forcing consumers of your media to give up their freedoms, as well.
[11:54:51] <WickedWicky> if I can play DRM content in firefox, as i can under windows
[11:54:52] <delewis> (not that they care, probably)
[11:55:10] <delewis> WickedWicky: won't happen.
[11:55:13] <WickedWicky> and aslong as I cant,I'll have to run Windows on at least one laptop
[11:55:32] <WickedWicky> then, ironic or not, I'll be using Windows, licenced, on at least one laptop
[11:55:54] <delewis> it's the stance of FFmpeg to not implement DRM functionality (for decoding an definitely encoding)
[11:56:19] <delewis> that would encourage the propagation of DRM'd media.
[11:56:42] <WickedWicky> nobel idea... but I think the effect of it will be 0
[11:56:43] <delewis> when the obvious intention is to discourage it.
[11:56:54] <delewis> WickedWicky: what effect?
[11:57:07] <WickedWicky> I dont think content parties will stop DRMing their stuff
[11:57:20] <delewis> they probably won't.
[11:57:43] <delewis> not until they learn that media is not the place for an authentication mechanism.
[11:57:43] <WickedWicky> to be honest with you, DRM is gonna be even more used here (in NL)
[11:57:50] <WickedWicky> especialy for DVB-H and all
[11:58:28] <WickedWicky> I agree with that.. but i am afraid we're gonna get stuck in the "it works like this for years, why would we change" theory
[11:58:49] <WickedWicky> which is what most content parties will have as a theory, I think
[11:59:15] <delewis> Fortunately most content parties seem to be off the pornographic variety at the moment.
[11:59:19] <delewis> s/off/of/
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[12:00:08] <WickedWicky> all DVB-H channels are DRM-ed as well, marely cause the broadcaster wants to assure noone pics up the signal from the air and will watch the content for free
[12:01:01] <WickedWicky> same reason why soccer broadcasts over the internet are DRM-ed here, client made it mandatory, cause he wants to make sure people pay for the stream they capture/see/whatever
[12:01:08] <delewis> When will those broadcasters learn that there are always methods to circumvent that sort of thing for a user that's determined enough?
[12:01:16] <WickedWicky> honestly? I think never
[12:01:27] <delewis> WickedWicky: that provider could just use HTTP authentication.
[12:02:14] <WickedWicky> we could, yes... if not for the reason the client strictly tells us to use DRM
[12:02:48] <WickedWicky> and with HTTP authentication
[12:03:03] <WickedWicky> they assume one person will buy a 'ticket', and share that one account with 0943098430983 people
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[12:04:14] <delewis> sure, but you easily "tag" each download with some sort of marker that identifies the consumer of that media. The tag will be seen on the distributed copies, and you can deny the user further access to media (per your policy).
[12:04:44] <WickedWicky> we opted for that, cause noone at work likes DRM and most are Linux/Mac users
[12:04:47] <delewis> any user that wants to keep using your service, wouldn't distribute the media.
[12:04:50] <WickedWicky> (under the admin group anyway)
[12:05:06] <WickedWicky> we opted non-drm manners, trust me
[12:05:44] <WickedWicky> but aslong as the clients have their demands, and nobody in this world can change those from them, we're stuck
[12:05:56] <WickedWicky> and, to be honest, I think we'll be stuck with DRM for quite some time
[12:06:36] <WickedWicky> not only cause of technical/possibility ways DRM is crap
[12:07:12] <WickedWicky> it's a fucking nightmare to administer it as well, functionaly and legaly
[12:07:27] <delewis> yes
[12:07:43] <delewis> and there are currently ways to remove the DRM from a DRM'd copy.
[12:07:56] <delewis> it just requires that you have a valid "license" instantiation to view the DRM.
[12:07:57] <WickedWicky> what to do when someone bought a licence and his PC crashed and had to reinstall, what if he claims to have paid by credit card or SMS but he didnt get his licence installed cause Media player crashed
[12:08:07] <WickedWicky> (and yes, we do get these kind of incident reports)
[12:08:11] <delewis> and afterwards, the user is free to re-distributed the DRM-less copy.
[12:08:28] <delewis> which is the same issue you'd have with just providing HTTP authentication and no markers on individual files.
[12:08:50] <WickedWicky> yea, which kinda voids the advantage of DRM over HTTP authentication
[12:08:58] <delewis> as long as the view can decrypt the media to view, they'll be able to dump the unencrypted stream elsewhere.
[12:09:07] <WickedWicky> yep
[12:09:21] <flyingparchment> delewis: until the drm is present all the way from the file to the lcd :)
[12:09:31] <delewis> flyingparchment: that's currently being worked on :-)
[12:09:43] <WickedWicky> watermarking is something people are really hot for at the moment
[12:09:46] <delewis> and then those of us with electronics experience can flourish. :-)
[12:09:47] <WickedWicky> but even then
[12:10:01] <WickedWicky> redirect your signal to a PCTV card, capture it to avi
[12:10:06] <WickedWicky> and you can broadcast it anyway
[12:10:14] <delewis> as I've said any user that's determined (and knowledegable enough -- this can be the result of 'determined') can circumvent any DRM.
[12:10:22] <WickedWicky> agreed
[12:10:41] <flyingparchment> in the end, you can just point a video camera at the tv
[12:10:46] <flyingparchment> which is fine for what most people distribute online
[12:10:53] <delewis> the only way to implement DRM completely is to prevent the user from seeing it. :-)
[12:10:59] <WickedWicky> it's not a question of how to make it impossible to break protected content, but more a question of how difficult do you want it to make for them to break it
[12:11:05] <Tempt> oh, come on.
[12:11:07] <Tempt> DRM will stay
[12:11:11] <WickedWicky> it will
[12:11:14] <Tempt> and people who hate it will work around it
[12:11:17] <Tempt> every time.
[12:11:21] <WickedWicky> if its a good thing and if it should, is discussable
[12:11:26] <WickedWicky> 'f course
[12:12:17] <delewis> fortunately all of the media I consume is DRM-free. :-)
[12:12:21] <WickedWicky> fortunatly, steak with fries is open source, and everybody can make their own plate and distribute it if they want
[12:12:25] * WickedWicky is going for lunch
[12:12:26] <delewis> (this mostly includes DVD and TV rips)
[12:13:02] <Tempt> mmm
[12:13:03] <Tempt> steak
[12:13:50] <delewis> I'm not afraid to admit that I do not pay for DVDs or bother to watch the commercials associated with the TV show. If the writers and products of the show actually had a point they wanted to make (rather than just make money), I'm under the assumption they'd want me to watch it, rather than not watch it, because I didn't like the price that was attached to it.
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[12:14:23] <delewis> and this serves as an excellent 'filter' for shit movies and TV shows that fail to have any meaning or point associated with them *cough* 99% of reality TV *cough*
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[13:22:50] <flyingparchment> does the raid5 parity give any protection against unnoticed read errors?
[13:26:05] <dlg> on what?
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[13:28:02] <flyingparchment> what do you mean?
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[13:37:40] <JWheeler> I don't believe it always checks the parity, if that's what you mean
[13:37:55] <JWheeler> normally it only falls back to checking the data using parity, if a device has failed
[13:38:08] <JWheeler> zfs on the other hand however, checksums everything as it runs
[13:38:31] <delewis> flyingparchment: the parity is only used doing re-construction.
[13:39:01] <delewis> s/doing/during/
[13:39:46] <delewis> which is why the RAID5 write-hole is a huge problem. You won't notice your data has been corrupted by the write hole until you go to re-construct and find the parity is bad.
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[13:48:25] * JWheeler hates nroff
[13:49:58] <JWheeler> So, the SUNW nroff is way out of date, and it can't handle the mplayer manpage. I can open it ok with gnroff. Is there some way to open then export it with gnroff, so that nroff can open it later?
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[13:51:31] <Tempt> if only one manpage breaks
[13:51:34] <Tempt> fix the manpage
[13:52:11] <JWheeler> I like it... the trouble is that I really just don't understand the syntax
[13:52:38] <JWheeler> The problem is something to do with macros, but no matter what format they are in, macros scare me!
[13:54:32] <JWheeler> I don't suppose you'd like to give it a crack?
[13:55:21] <delewis> JWheeler: traditionall troff doesn't support >2 character macros.
[13:55:38] <delewis> just rename all the 3 character macros in the MPlayer man page to unique 2 character macros.
[13:55:43] <delewis> I've done this many, many times.
[13:56:18] <JWheeler> ok, what does a macro look like?
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[13:56:38] <JWheeler> ".RSs" by any chance?
[13:56:47] <delewis> yes
[13:56:49] <delewis> that's one.
[13:56:52] <delewis> there are 4 total, IIRC.
[13:57:08] <delewis> (macros are defined in *roff with .de)
[13:57:31] <JWheeler> if you've already done it, I don't suppose I could have a copy of one you prepared earlier?
[13:57:32] <delewis> you'll need to do 1,$s/RSs/PO/g for example
[13:58:34] <delewis> /msg me your email address, and I'll send you the man page as an attachment. (my personal web server is down at the moment)
[13:59:36] <JWheeler> is "1,$s" the same as %s?
[14:01:34] <JWheeler> Is sun looking to upgrade it's *roff? Even wikipedia talks about how old it is
[14:03:44] <delewis> yes, 1,$s is the same as %s in ex/vi.
[14:03:49] <delewis> I prefer 1,$s because its compatible with ed.
[14:03:58] <delewis> and more consistent.
[14:04:05] <JWheeler> ah, ed!... woo ed :)
[14:04:06] <JWheeler> heh
[14:04:15] <delewis> hey, you never know when you might need to use it :-)
[14:04:33] <delewis> hardly no man pages seem to use > 2 character macros.
[14:04:34] <JWheeler> heh, I've never used it, only of it's fame
[14:04:42] <delewis> MPlayer is actually the only one I've come across that does.
[14:04:53] <delewis> not even Perl's man pages use >2 character macros.
[14:05:42] <delewis> so the fact that Solaris's *roff needs to be updated is moot at this point. If you're actually composing *roff documents yourself, it typically pays off to use groff, though.
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[14:10:37] <Tempt> !seen FrostCS
[14:10:45] <Tempt> !seen CSFrost
[14:11:04] <Tempt> grr
[14:11:12] <Tempt> what's the point of having a bot of it doesn't work?
[14:13:56] <delewis> it works. It's just a bit retarded. Literally.
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[14:14:04] <delewis> give it a few minutes.
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[14:21:17] <jpdrawneek> any body got any idea where the upgrade option is in the b72 installer?
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[14:41:07] <Tempt> Where is Frosty, anyway?
[14:41:11] <Tempt> Been *ages*
[14:44:55] <quasi> maybe he's gone over to the dark side
[14:46:27] <Tempt> Which particular dark side?
[14:46:32] <Tempt> He never struck me as a penguinlover.
[14:46:34] <jmcp> Tempt: of the moon
[14:46:39] <trygvis> what is xsvc0? my pc suddenly started hanging after loading/discovering xsvc0 something
[14:46:58] <Tempt> jmcp: Bit chilly out there. And you get these wierd prisms appearing from nowhere.
[14:47:47] <jmcp> yeah
[14:47:48] <jmcp> very spacey
[14:52:03] <flyingparchment> xsvc is the helper driver for the X server
[14:52:07] <quasi> jpdrawneek: why not just luupgrade?
[14:52:26] <jpdrawneek> luupgrade is broke on sparc :(
[14:52:44] <Tempt> waaa?
[14:52:45] <Tempt> Oh, that's sad.
[14:52:54] <jpdrawneek> fix will hopeful arrive before Sol10 u5
[14:53:00] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: how is it broken?
[14:53:01] <jpdrawneek> your telling me
[14:53:30] <jpdrawneek> it can mount the mini kernel - bug filed
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[14:54:53] <jpdrawneek> so the only way to do upgrading is off a cd or jumpstart
[14:55:21] <jpdrawneek> but theres no option to update with b72 - where has it gone?
[14:55:56] <cmihai> jpdrawneek, try the old installer (Solaris Express) not the Developer Edition installer.
[14:55:58] <cmihai> That's.. different.
[14:56:07] <cmihai> Also, you could just LiveUpgrade :-)
[14:56:23] <jmcp> cmihai: jpdrawneek has just asserted for us that luupgrade is broken on sparc
[14:56:29] <jpdrawneek> cmihai: I can't!!!!!!!
[14:56:36] <cmihai> jmcp, oh, that sucks ;-\
[14:56:41] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: I don't understand your description of *how* it is broken on sparc
[14:56:42] <jpdrawneek> your telling me
[14:57:34] <quasi> jmcp: seems like you need to do some mind reading for that
[14:57:41] <jmcp> quasi: yeah
[14:57:45] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: comes up with can't mount /temp/(something).(some number) luupgrade stops
[14:58:08] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: and you're *certain* that this is a bug in LU rather than something specific to do with your system?
[14:58:13] <jpdrawneek> the bug has been filed
[14:58:19] <jmcp> what's the bugid?
[14:58:26] <jpdrawneek> will find it for you
[15:01:40] <jpdrawneek> bug id 6573154
[15:01:52] * jmcp looks
[15:03:36] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: did you get any email from the RE for that bug?
[15:04:09] <jpdrawneek> no
[15:04:53] <jpdrawneek> going through a guy called ethan quach
[15:05:13] <jpdrawneek> he placed the bug and could find the same issue
[15:05:19] <jmcp> you should email him directly asking for an update
[15:05:26] <jpdrawneek> i have
[15:05:31] <jmcp> any response?
[15:05:40] <jpdrawneek> no fix till atleast solaris 10 u5
[15:06:01] <jpdrawneek> that was friday
[15:06:09] <jmcp> well the gate for u5 will open in a few days, so there's hope
[15:06:41] <jpdrawneek> yes - i know but how does that solve my curent problem?
[15:06:48] <jmcp> it doesn't, sorry
[15:07:02] <jmcp> I can't help you, unfortunately
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[15:07:13] <jpdrawneek> so where is the upgrade option in b72?  Is it just not there?
[15:07:24] <jmcp> I was sure it was there
[15:07:29] <jpdrawneek> will it come back in b73?
[15:07:46] <jmcp> what point did you get to before thinking that the upgrade option was not there any more?
[15:08:13] <jpdrawneek> when it aked about what package group to install
[15:08:29] <jmcp> install cluster, I think you mean
[15:08:34] <jpdrawneek> ya
[15:08:48] <jmcp> was that an SXDE install, or a "Solaris Express" install ?
[15:08:49] <flyingparchment> goddamn linux auditing is totally a pile of piss
[15:09:04] <jpdrawneek> solaris express b72
[15:09:14] <jpdrawneek> SXDE is still b64a
[15:09:15] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: that's not what I meant
[15:09:41] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: when you boot from the media, you get asked to choose what sort of installation you want to do
[15:09:49] <jmcp> oh, hang on
[15:09:54] <jmcp> grrr
[15:09:55] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: you don't
[15:10:09] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: get back to your x86land
[15:10:24] <jmcp> no, actually, you do - interactive, custom jumpstart, install ITU, or boot to single user
[15:10:58] <JWheeler> If you chose the developer release, it uses this new installer, but the older cde based one still has an upgrade option
[15:11:13] <jmcp> JWheeler: the new installer isn't there for *sparc* as far as I can see
[15:11:17] <jpdrawneek> there was no option
[15:11:26] <JWheeler> ah, possibly, I've only tried x86
[15:11:46] * jmcp did a sparc install just two days ago
[15:12:00] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: what build
[15:12:06] <jpdrawneek> off what media?
[15:12:21] <jmcp> netboot, then installed via nfs from dvd in my laptop
[15:12:35] <jmcp> I did get the upgrade option
[15:12:37] <jmcp> that was 71
[15:12:43] <jpdrawneek> k netboot media cdrom
[15:12:57] <jpdrawneek> ok has any one used Build 72 yet????
[15:13:30] <jpdrawneek> the netboot work fine for b66 which was the last install i did
[15:13:32] * estibi_ runs b72 ...
[15:13:48] * jmcp waits for jpdrawneek to tell estibi to sod off back to x86land
[15:14:03] <jpdrawneek> estibi_: what platform, how did you install it?
[15:14:08] <estibi_> x86
[15:14:21] <estibi_> via Live Upgrade
[15:14:26] <jpdrawneek> not you get your sod of back to x86 land
[15:14:45] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: so we come back to "we're sorry, we cannot help you right now, how about you go back to talking directly with Ethan about getting a fix for the bug"
[15:15:01] <jmcp> rather than railing against people who would actually like to help
[15:15:19] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: done that
[15:15:53] <jpdrawneek> I just want to know is my netboot is either broke or that upgrade option is actual missing from b72 install
[15:16:03] <jmcp> ask on install-discuss, too
[15:16:15] <jpdrawneek> ok - first bit of help from you
[15:16:24] * jmcp growls
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[15:16:53] <flyingparchment> now now, children, play nicely
[15:17:38] <jpdrawneek> its a simple question i have been asking - can any one else reproduce this problem, it a normal part of the debuging process
[15:19:50] <flyingparchment> is there any word on QFS open-sourcing?
[15:20:03] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: I think it's bloody obvious that nobody else here is able to answer either yes or no to your question
[15:21:36] <jpdrawneek> not really
[15:21:58] <jpdrawneek> some crazy guy my be using opensolaris on a sparc other than me
[15:22:15] <jmcp> yeah, plenty of people do
[15:22:18] <flyingparchment> /nick kaiwai
[15:22:23] <flyingparchment> i don't use sparc, it's a dead platform
[15:22:30] <flyingparchment> </kaiwai>
[15:22:46] <WickedWicky> lol
[15:22:51] <jmcp> but in the hour since you first asked your question, nobody who is currently active in the channel has come forward to say that they have tried to install snv_72 on sparc
[15:23:05] * jmcp chuckles @ flyingparchment
[15:23:35] <flyingparchment> what is the equality operator in awk?  like /$1 == foo/ ...
[15:24:56] <victori_> I find it a bit annoying zoneadm copies the current install into the zone instead of a fresh base install
[15:25:14] <jpdrawneek> flyingparchment: bugger better go throw away our T2000s and replace they will a room full of dulls
[15:26:25] * jmcp sees a need for a "/channelling" irc command
[15:27:08] <Tempt> Certainly better not buy those N2 machines
[15:27:12] <Tempt> They are deader than dead.
[15:27:32] <flyingparchment> jmcp: have you seen these "nearline FC" (NL-FC) disks before?  Fujitsu advertises them, it looks like a SATA-spec disk (7200 rpm) with an FC-AL interface..
[15:27:40] <Tempt> hmm
[15:27:43] <WickedWicky> d3@d @rc|-|
[15:27:43] <Tempt> What sort of pricing?
[15:27:48] <flyingparchment> Tempt: doesn't say
[15:27:51] <jmcp> flyingparchment: nope, haven't seen them
[15:27:58] <Tempt> flyingparchment: 7 times the cost of SATA?
[15:28:01] <jmcp> flyingparchment: I've heard about "FATA" - FC attached ATA disks ...
[15:28:04] <flyingparchment> they claim it's cheap :)
[15:28:08] <Tempt> fata.
[15:28:09] <Tempt> jeez.
[15:28:10] <jmcp> flyingparchment: but they seem like a waste of effort
[15:28:12] <jmcp> yeah
[15:28:23] <Tempt> I'd be impressed if one could get FC attached 750Gb spindles
[15:28:24] <flyingparchment> they don't offer SATA disks in their arrays, only these nl-fc disks.
[15:28:44] * Tempt considers a V880 chocked with 12 x 750
[15:28:46] <Tempt> ooooh yeaaaah
[15:28:49] <Tempt> that's a zpool
[15:29:30] <jmcp> flyingparchment: I've been i18n'd for so long, that looks like Netherlands Football Club
[15:29:39] <flyingparchment> heh
[15:29:40] <WickedWicky> oi
[15:29:44] <jbk> morning
[15:30:12] <flyingparchment> Tempt: they only seem to do up to 500G
[15:30:20] <flyingparchment> http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2005/20051121-01.html < press release
[15:30:49] <jmcp> gday jbk
[15:33:15] <Tempt> hmmm
[15:33:17] <Tempt> 12 x 500
[15:33:20] <Tempt> that's still tasty
[15:34:03] <jbk> jmcp: I hope so :)
[15:34:29] <jbk> so far, not so good -- was woken up at 6am because a dba can't understand that they can't just start/stop stuff on a clustered system
[15:34:49] * jmcp sighs
[15:35:03] <jmcp> jbk: hope you learned good+proper on correct ways of handling clustered environments
[15:35:18] <jbk> oh i know how to deal with clusters just fine
[15:35:19] <flyingparchment> can you remove disks from zfs yet?
[15:35:58] <jbk> it seems though that dbas just seem to never be able to grasp the concept
[15:36:38] <jpdrawneek> flyingparchment: that to make the pool smaller
[15:36:44] <flyingparchment> jp: yes
[15:36:57] <flyingparchment> i would like a filesystem where i can add and remove luns online, and make luns larger/smaller
[15:37:08] <flyingparchment> so far, the only candidate i found is vxfs
[15:37:09] <jpdrawneek> flyingparchment: no
[15:37:52] <jpdrawneek> flyingparchment: still ranting about that - zfs team did not think any one would want to make a pool smaller
[15:37:52] <jmcp> jbk: sorry, I meant "have you learned *them*"
[15:37:54] <jmcp> ie, with a lart
[15:38:08] <jmcp> jbk: I knew that you'd know how to handle clusters
[15:38:37] <jbk> unfortunately, they're 1000+ miles away
[15:38:45] <jmcp> ICBLart?
[15:39:54] <jbk> oh well, i won't have to deal with this again until december
[15:40:00] <jbk> today's last day of oncall till then :)
[15:40:07] <jmcp> yay!
[15:40:26] <jbk> even this is mild compared to my old job
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[15:41:10] <jbk> there, when you were oncall, 16-20 hr days were pretty much the norm
[15:41:46] <jmcp> sounds like when I did frontline on-call, years ago
[15:41:50] <jmcp> it was the pits
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[15:43:25] <Doc> obviously you never had me call you up
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[15:43:32] <jmcp> Doc: yes
[15:43:45] <Doc> you'd be using words far more harsh than "the pits" in that case... :)
[15:43:46] <jmcp> Doc: I stopped doing on-call before you started
[15:43:50] <trygvis> how can I figure out which domain my nfsv4 server is using?
[15:44:07] <jmcp> Doc: otoh, if you'd called me, it would definitely have been a really hard problem
[15:44:10] <jbk> well the problem was inept mgmt -- it was so bad, there was (still is probably) a daily (m-f) 7:30am call to go over the day's high severity (major impact) issues -- the fact that there were multiple issues per day that caused high impact didn't seem to suggest to them that perhaps there was something wrong with how the environment was being managed :)
[15:44:20] <jmcp> ow
[15:44:20] <Doc> jmcp: before 1997?
[15:44:21] <jmcp> badness
[15:44:47] <jmcp> Doc: oh, I was thinking of when you were @ Sun
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[15:45:20] <Doc> ohh i never called the SC when i was actually at sun, only beforehand when i was a customer
[15:45:26] <jmcp> right
[15:48:02] <jbk> i always liked it when i'd give my name, and they'd come back with a 5-7 yr old phone number for me :)
[15:48:18] <jmcp> yeah, had that too
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[15:59:58] <LeftWing> trygvis: /var/run/nfs4_domain on Solaris... Remote discovery would, I imagine, be implementation dependent.
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[16:03:28] <trygvis> thanks
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[16:22:35] <Kitty> a/47
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[17:17:04] <flyingparchment> what can cause this error?
[17:17:05] <flyingparchment>  Sep 16 07:41:22 yarrow scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning] WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci8086,25e4@4/pci8086,32c@0/pci9005,40@3/sd@0,0 (sd3):
[17:17:06] <flyingparchment>  Sep 16 07:41:22 yarrow  incomplete read- retrying
[17:17:28] <Tempt> bus noise, bad disc, improper termination, controller glitch
[17:17:51] <flyingparchment> if it's been working fine for months and suddenly appeared, i guess bad disk is most likely..
[17:18:52] <Tempt> if you only get one message, I'd say random bus noise
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[17:20:46] <flyingparchment> no, it occurred several times, then said 'giving up' and vxfs disabled the filesystem
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[18:03:27] <mac-> re
[18:04:22] <mac-> how can I read volume id from my CD-ROM
[18:04:23] <mac-> ?
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[18:57:06] <victori_> anyway to expand bzip2 tarballs in one command?
[18:57:12] <victori_> I miss the gnu tar
[18:59:20] <WickedWicky> gtar is shipped
[18:59:27] <WickedWicky> it's /usr/sfw/bin/gtar
[18:59:32] <g4lt-mordant> bzcat whatever.tar.bz2|tar xvf -
[18:59:38] <victori_> oh ood
[18:59:47] <victori_> good, did not know it was called gtar
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[19:00:13] <WickedWicky> when there is a "solaris" binary and a "GNU" binary, the GNU binary will be prefixed with g
[19:00:25] <WickedWicky> GNU make = gmake, GNU tar = gtar
[19:00:26] <WickedWicky> etc
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[19:01:01] <victori_> thank you
[19:01:28] <WickedWicky> no probs ;)
[19:01:47] <solfan> Hi,  I started the install process from solaris 10 11/06 to 8/07 and it hangs on the copyright screen after the first reboot.
[19:03:01] <solfan> i started the boot with -v and the last thing on the screen is this: kb80420is /isa/i8042@1,60/keyboard@0
[19:03:24] <solfan> solaris 11/06 worked on this machine.  Any thoughts?
[19:04:08] <solfan> also, it says, "smbios not loaded.  smbios format is too old for processing."
[19:04:17] <victori_> now if there was only a solaris install without gnome/cde that would be nice
[19:04:34] <victori_> who the heck uses an x11 desktop on server?
[19:04:53] <solfan> victori_: it is possible to install solaris without x11
[19:05:03] <solfan> just do a core install
[19:05:04] <quasi> victori_: there is
[19:05:07] <victori_> ya but that install is too minimal, without zoneadm etc
[19:06:03] <WickedWicky> you can customize the package selection I think
[19:06:33] <victori_> ya with pkgadd's lack of dep management thats a tough one
[19:07:10] <WickedWicky> I mean during the installation
[19:07:11] <victori_> hopefully ian murdock (?) can do some wonders with the pkg* tools for sun
[19:07:17] <victori_> oh
[19:07:18] <Triskelios> victori_: should be pretty easy to make a profile for JumpStart
[19:08:01] <richlowe> murdock is a manager in marketing, he does absolutely nothing interesting.
[19:08:04] <richlowe> at best, he encourages other people to :)
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[19:18:10] <victori_> one last question where is the pkg db?
[19:18:16] <victori_>  checked /var/db
[19:20:09] <victori_> nm got it, truss++
[19:22:16] <bengtf_> is this a bug ? sys-unconfig asks in national language with national language alternatives , but only accepts 'y' or 'n'
[19:23:40] <richlowe> if I'm understanding that right, it sounds like a bug in the relevant bit of syidcfg, yet.
[19:23:43] <richlowe> s/yet/yes/
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[19:25:51] <bengtf_> okie
[19:27:46] <victori_> odd so if I remove stuff from global, zones are forced to remove the pkgs as well?
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[19:29:46] <victori_> oh whopes I am in the zone
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[19:38:33] <richlowe> hey comay
[19:38:46] <comay> hey there richlowe
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[19:57:55] <richlowe> comay: is it you who's taking rainer's open package build fixes forward?
[19:59:25] <comay> not officially.  i might but i was more curious at what he had proposed
[19:59:43] <richlowe> I think his proposal is the only real way to go about it, right now.
[19:59:45] <comay> i've been looking at factoring out through the contents that are not-redistributable
[20:00:10] <comay> not concerned so much at the moment about which components are closed source but redistributable
[20:00:12] <richlowe> I used to have a 'fix' that would remove the missing pieces from the prototypes, but that's unsupportable.
[20:00:29] <richlowe> Yes, the fix should be such that we can build packages given a full set of closed bins.
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[20:00:33] <richlowe> in the closed-bins is "enough".
[20:01:17] <richlowe> you're basically looking at taking the bindrop blacklist, and excluding those files from packaging, while retaining everything else.
[20:01:26] <richlowe> given that, rainer's proposal seems among the better ways to achieve it.
[20:03:02] <richlowe> and since it's rather necessary given the current plans, I assumed either you or someone in the same area would be working toward it.
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[20:06:11] <badcoder0> greetings , im experience hang ups in build 70 , setting dead man timer i get this stack trace
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[20:06:39] <badcoder0> cyclic_expire+0x77:
[20:06:46] <victori_> removing a package from global removes from zone? is that normal?
[20:07:02] <richlowe> the panic_thread stacktrace from a deadman firing isn't useful to you.
[20:07:04] <badcoder0> damn it hangup again
[20:07:14] <richlowe> because it's the deadman cyclic that panic'd you.
[20:07:25] <richlowe> so that trace will always be "The cycling firing, and panicing you out"
[20:07:26] <badcoder0> the problem
[20:07:32] <badcoder0> si tha is not panicing
[20:07:37] <badcoder0> is just hangs up
[20:07:40] <richlowe> and not related to the actual deadlock.
[20:07:42] <badcoder0> so i got no core
[20:07:57] <richlowe> Yeah, I was just telling you that pasting "$C" from there isn't going to say anything useful.
[20:08:02] <richlowe> because that trace isn't actually related to the deadlock
[20:08:06] <badcoder0> ah ok
[20:08:12] <richlowe> (ok, is *very very* unlikely to be, really...)
[20:08:47] <badcoder0> you are right , but i cant figure out what causes the hangup
[20:10:13] <badcoder0> is there not a key combination to generate a core when my system hangs up ?
[20:11:01] <richlowe> The core is still useful.
[20:11:06] <richlowe> it's the stack trace that won't tell you everything.
[20:11:13] <richlowe> if the deadman fired and you got a core...
[20:11:28] <richlowe> if the deadman fired and you *didn't*, I'm most confused. :)
[20:12:09] <badcoder0> yes i got a core from deadman
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[20:13:18] <richlowe> So, what you want to figure out is what the system is ultimately waiting on.
[20:14:10] <badcoder0> yes , that's right richloew
[20:16:55] <comay> richlowe: i might adoped rainer's work although i'm hopeful he might finish it :-)
[20:17:07] <richlowe> comay: last I knew, nobody could get in touch with him.
[20:17:47] <richlowe> badcoder0: what I'd do to start with, is ::walk thread | ::findstack, and if there's a large number of similar stacks that aren't "normal", especially if they're all waiting on a sobj in about the same place, I'd figure out what that sobj was, and who owned it.
[20:18:02] <richlowe> and then figure out why it isn't done with it yet.
[20:18:27] <richlowe> munges (I think it's in the mdb community pages) is handy for coaelescing stack traces and printing <count> <representative thread addr>, and the trace.
[20:18:32] <richlowe> ::walk thread | ::findstack ! munges
[20:19:36] <badcoder0> thank you very much richlowe
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[20:21:14] <richlowe> it's probably easier to file a bug, and make the core available with it though.
[20:21:19] <richlowe> even if you're going to keep looking at it too.
[20:21:27] <richlowe> I have no idea how you get dumps onto mdb.eng from out here though.
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[20:35:35] <LuisManson> hi
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[20:54:22] <LuisManson> with the nfo driver on boot the kernel complains about a device on a vecto 32 with IPL 5 and that i should change something of that (i have an nforce network)
[20:54:27] <LuisManson> anyone has an idea?
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[21:10:41] <Triskelios> LuisManson: it's some kind of interrupt sharing issue, could you be more specific?
[21:10:55] <LuisManson> yes
[21:11:04] * comay starts a petition to drive all external open source out of ON and into SFW...
[21:11:08] <LuisManson> loading the nforce driver
[21:11:35] <LuisManson> it says something about a device in the same vector, and that i should change it
[21:12:13] <LuisManson> i dont have any idea on how to do that, and my mother is new, with APIC/ACPI and dosnt have the "plug and play os" option...
[21:17:58] <LuisManson> any ideas?
[21:19:49] <Triskelios> LuisManson: it would help to paste the actual message
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[21:21:51] <LuisManson> i dont have network nor access to the FS
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[21:22:59] <LuisManson> it says when load the nfo driver somethnf like im loading a driver and the divece with and ipl of 5 its on the same vector than my nic which has and ip of 12
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[21:28:57] <badcoder0> unixware sco is broke?
[21:29:12] <unixware> yeah :P xD
[21:29:21] <unixware> no money :P
[21:30:21] <badcoder0> unixware XD
[21:33:56] <LuisManson> i have and error like this:
[21:33:57] <LuisManson> "Warning: Cannot register interrupt for 'ide' device
[21:33:57] <LuisManson> > at IPL 5 because it conflicts with another device
[21:33:58] <LuisManson> > using same vector 15 with an IPL of 11. Reconfigure
[21:33:58] <LuisManson> > the conflicting device to use different vectors"
[21:34:29] <LuisManson> but vector is 32 and ipl 5, nic card its ipl 12
[21:34:30] <badcoder0> wtf sun and microsoft strategic alliance
[21:35:11] <unixware> yeah, sun want to use windows 2003 server on their machines too
[21:35:12] <jamesd__> badcoder0, its amazing what  2 billion dollars buys.
[21:35:49] <unixware> money buys everythin xD
[21:37:48] <comay> badcoder0: what alliance do you mean?
[21:37:59] <LuisManson> well, bye im goin to try some things...
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[21:38:05] <comay> there was a recent announcement about sun selling its boxes with windows installed
[21:38:52] <richlowe> now all we need to do is wait for the flying pigs, dogs and cats living together, etc.
[21:39:39] <unixware> ?
[21:40:08] <unixware> http://www.sun.com/images/b1/b1_sun_msft_alliance_post.jpg
[21:41:37] <unixware> what does solaris use for a bind server? bind9?
[21:42:59] <quasi> yeah
[21:43:50] <unixware> a ok
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[21:48:00] <badcoder0> sol 10 8/07 comes with lxzones , thats cool , need to host some games..
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[22:18:34] * Triskelios wonders why the audiocast linked from the Sun/MS press kit is entitled "Project Philadelphia"?
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[22:48:05] <nrubsig> jmcp: ping!
[22:48:56] * nrubsig groans
[22:51:02] <nrubsig> Tpenta: ping!
[22:51:11] <nrubsig> !seen gman
[22:51:47] <nrubsig> Drone: I know you're not paid for your job but please wake the hell up and answer, please...
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[23:26:30] <SYS64738> where can I find egrep for solaris ?
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[23:27:19] <hile_> uh, egrep is there..
[23:27:31] <hile_> /usr/bin/egrep
[23:27:39] <SYS64738> isn't there a blastwave version ?
[23:28:13] <trygvis> if you know where it is, why do you ask?
[23:28:35] <SYS64738> I would like to use a gnu one
[23:28:44] <hile_> so use ggrep
[23:28:49] <hile_> which is not egrep
[23:29:06] <SYS64738> ok thanks
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[23:29:18] <trygvis> blastwave still has gegrep
[23:29:20] <hile_> GNU grep != grep != egrep
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[23:30:12] <richlowe> ggrep,  gegrep are in SFW
[23:30:18] <richlowe> why would you pull them from blastwave?
[23:30:19] <Triskelios> ggrep has an -E option
[23:30:39] <Triskelios> ah yeah, and gegrep works..
[23:32:08] <SYS64738> is there someone who use simscan under solaris ?
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