[00:00:33] <WickedWicky> no idea what that means :P
[00:01:07] <PerterB> it means he lives somewhere in Idaho
[00:01:14] <WickedWicky> ah
[00:02:25] <coffman> WickedWicky: the company i worked for did the aqueduct for the german camp in masar-e-sharif and serval other technical things, i would have been a technician
[00:02:52] <WickedWicky> aha
[00:04:11] <coffman> but i skiped that, started school again, so that i will never have to even consider something like that again
[00:04:57] 
[00:05:40] <WickedWicky> not the kind of work environment I would opt for :s
[00:06:45] <coffman> good money, a P99 and another automatic weapon of my choice :P
[00:07:37] <coffman> friends of mine where and are in afghanistan with the german force, it sucks bad ass
[00:08:54] <coffman> the last that came home was a wrack, he sky diver unit, a elite force. mostly he had to protect german camps etc
[00:09:15] <coffman> he said he shot in one night 8 people
[00:09:22] <WickedWicky> :s
[00:10:22] <coffman> 9 soldiers of his unit died in a helicopter accident, 3 on the way to fly back in a bus
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[00:10:51] <DoYouKnow> how do I unmount a USB hard disk?
[00:10:54] <DoYouKnow> that is Zfs
[00:11:13] <PerterB> zpool export
[00:11:15] <coffman> DoYouKnow: zpool export $your-pool-name
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[00:12:59] <DoYouKnow> thanks
[00:13:02] <DoYouKnow> that worked great :)
[00:14:43] <coffman> WickedWicky: another friend of mine is right now in afghanistan with the "kampfmittelraeumdienst", defusing bombs and mines - i dunno if i will see him again
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[00:16:23] <WickedWicky> I hope you eill
[00:16:25] <WickedWicky> will
[00:17:10] <coffman> so do i, he has a kid, 2years old
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[00:18:38] <DoYouKnow> is there an easy way to write java applications that access the solaris api?
[00:18:48] <DoYouKnow> I know there is something for windows
[00:19:14] <trygvis> which API in particular?
[00:19:21] <DoYouKnow> zfs
[00:19:24] <trygvis> if you just want to do syscalls that is easy
[00:19:30] <trygvis> zfs is a file system, not an api
[00:19:31] <richlowe> there's no public interface to libzfs
[00:19:32] <DoYouKnow> yeah, syscalls
[00:19:41] <richlowe> I think there *is* a java interface though.
[00:19:42] <DoYouKnow> I want to do syscalls
[00:19:44] <richlowe> but you'd use it at your own risk
[00:20:03] <trygvis> what do you want to do?
[00:20:22] <DoYouKnow> set permissions on files for example from within a java application
[00:20:25] <trygvis> it would be nice if sun would supply a java interface for all solaris syscalls
[00:20:28] <coffman> DoYouKnow: you know that there is a webinterface for zfs in java?
[00:20:41] <trygvis> I think java 6 already has that
[00:20:55] <trygvis> but it would be super easy to write a tiny JNI thing to do that
[00:22:22] <DoYouKnow> ACL stuff
[00:22:30] <DoYouKnow> that's basically what I want to do
[00:22:47] <trygvis> should be easy. follow a basic JNI tutorial and you're good to go
[00:24:51] <DoYouKnow> thanks
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[00:31:00] <badcoder> any news of adobe acrobat for sol10 ....?
[00:31:13] <richlowe> there's an acrobat reader delivered on sparc.
[00:31:21] <richlowe> there's no solaris/x86 acrobat reader at all, that I know f.
[00:31:22] <badcoder> im on x86
[00:31:23] <richlowe> 'of'
[00:31:39] <flyingparchment> xpdf!
[00:31:46] <badcoder> ver 4 i think is for x86
[00:31:57] <coffman> evince is not that bad
[00:31:59] <badcoder> xpdf evince gv , but why not adobe
[00:34:31] <coffman> adobe sucks, thats it
[00:34:51] <coffman> i think they try to get some money out of it from sun
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[00:35:54] <jbk> also, it sounds like the unix port of acrobat reader has issues
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[00:41:47] <badcoder> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=31095&tstart=0 , haha zfs pr0n server
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[00:44:16] <dlg> morn
[00:45:00] <coffman> badcoder: not so porn, 4 disks on a pci controller
[00:45:47] <trygvis> 8
[00:46:56] <coffman> trygvis: nope, 4, 4 are on the nvidia chipset
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[00:49:37] <badcoder> god bless zfs , i just imported some pools from a dead server amazing
[00:51:04] <flyingparchment> most filesystems let you mount a filesystem on a different computer.. :)
[00:52:06] <badcoder> ahahah yeah
[00:53:22] <perlmonk> Well, really, I don't know any that doesn't actually...
[00:53:58] <dlg> moving between archs is hard on a lot of fses
[00:55:03] <badcoder> with zfs is even easier
[00:56:24] <dlg> true
[00:58:02] * coffman tries to recall which other fs let you do that with just one simple command
[00:59:24] <richlowe> as long as the constitutent drives are EFI labeled, I think.
[00:59:28] <richlowe> since you still have the VTOC suck, otherwise.
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[01:05:57] <nrubsig> dmarker: ping!
[01:06:49] <richlowe> nrubsig: good luck with that, I've been trying to get hold of him for days to get some diffs from him.
[01:07:08] * nrubsig prepares a mantrap to catch dmarker
[01:07:21] * nrubsig will also train some wild boards to sniff him down
[01:07:29] <nrubsig> s/boards/boars/
[01:07:46] <nrubsig> And another joke... RUINED BY TYPOS!
[01:07:53] <nrubsig> f*ck it.
[01:08:29] <nrubsig> <censored-by-childguard at freenode dot net>-typos!!
[01:09:03] <holcomb> wild boards are dangerous
[01:09:10] <richlowe> cfgadm'll tame 'em.
[01:10:12] <bda> Here Be Wild Boards.
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[01:12:32] <coffman> Sep  9 01:12:21 dev inetd[22980]: Property 'connection_backlog' of instance svc:/network/rpc/gss:default is missing, inconsistent or invalid
[01:12:36] <coffman> hmm
[01:13:49] <Triskelios> on x86, how would I dump the BIOS memory regions (near ~4G) with kmdb?
[01:15:54] <jbk> hmm
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[01:17:09] <richlowe> <addr>@<format>
[01:17:10] <richlowe> I think
[01:17:24] <richlowe> or <addr>\<format>
[01:17:30] <richlowe> (like /, but from the physical as)
[01:19:22] <Triskelios> could I do it from mdb -k?
[01:20:25] <Triskelios> not sure how to get it to read physical memory space instead of virtual mem
[01:20:37] <sickness> why sxce72 came out so fast after sxce71? =)
[01:20:50] <richlowe> sickness: because 71 came out so late, waiting on 70
[01:20:53] <jbk> NOTICE: IRQ21 is being
[01:20:54] <jbk> shared by drivers with different interrupt levels.
[01:20:56] <sickness> k
[01:21:02] <jbk> would that need to be fixed in the bios?
[01:21:14] <Triskelios> sickness: snv_72 was already being used when SXCE b70 came out
[01:22:11] <coffman> sickness: to make a angry
[01:22:25] <coffman> sickness: i did a lu to 71, only to discover that 72 is out
[01:22:32] <coffman> today...
[01:22:53] <oninoshiko> i dont know... trained wild boards are amusing too
[01:23:09] <sickness> coffman: well, I'm still at 70 too, but I think that I'll lu to 71 and than 72 anyway :)
[01:27:22] <badcoder> i was at build 54 now at 68
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[01:33:30] <coffman> it would be a hell easier if some one could finish that dam zfs boot and fix lu
[01:33:49] <richlowe> I hope they stick to replacing lu, rather than fixing it.
[01:34:05] <trygvis> what is wrong with LU? I love it!
[01:34:39] <coffman> yeah, fixing to me throw it away, burn it - something like that
[01:34:57] <coffman> like lucreate, no need for that anymore
[01:35:03] <richlowe> because it does a whole bunch of things that are beyond unnecessary in a zfs-only world.
[01:35:06] <richlowe> and because it won't ever open up.
[01:35:09] <richlowe> and because it could be a whole lot better.
[01:35:19] <richlowe> go look at the bits implemented as shell scripts, and see if you still like it :)
[01:35:22] <trygvis> open up as in becoming open source?
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[01:35:46] <nrubsig> Ok, I hereby officially hate opengrok.
[01:35:47] <coffman> richlowe: you should hire nrubsig for doing a lu replacement
[01:36:06] <richlowe> nrubsig: Yeah, it got worse in a way I can't easily describe.
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[01:36:11] <nrubsig> OpenGrok screws.up at the first sight of a ksh93 script.
[01:36:14] <richlowe> some of it is broken, some of it is just... worse.
[01:36:37] <richlowe> nrubsig: the syntax highlighting, or what?
[01:36:45] <nrubsig> SXCE72 is out ?
[01:36:49] <richlowe> nrubsig: yes.
[01:36:50] <nrubsig> richlowe: yes
[01:36:57] <coffman> and some one needs to give pkgadd etc some huge amount of love
[01:37:05] <richlowe> that'd be what sch and co are doing.
[01:37:06] <nrubsig> richlowe: is that nevada build 32 or something else ?
[01:37:06] <richlowe> kinda
[01:37:21] <richlowe> nrubsig: ... I'm going to assume that's a typo.
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[01:37:48] <nachox> would anyone with a more or less recent nevada send me   /usr/share/lib/keytables/type_6/latinamerican and /usr/share/lib/keytables/type_6/kbd_layouts files?
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[01:38:03] <elektronkind> anyone here have a SPARC box running s10u4?
[01:38:43] <jamesd> not yet.. i just dl'd it on thursday haven't had the chance to upgrade my work workstation
[01:39:10] <elektronkind> I'm wondering what the kernele patch rev is that it installs with
[01:39:28] <nachox> well, more or less is actually not very old (>nv32)
[01:42:26] <coffman> nachox: still need them?
[01:42:38] <nachox> coffman: yep
[01:43:08] <nachox> thanks :)
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[01:45:12] <nachox> i thought the change would have been integrated in s10 by now but i missread the what's new doc
[01:46:20] <coffman> nachox: http://rapidshare.com/files/54336545/keytables.tar.html
[01:46:50] <coffman> hope rapidshare is oki for you
[01:48:09] <jamesd> bbiab
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[01:52:25] <flyingparchment> does anyone recognise this backtrace?  i couldn't find it on b.o.o: http://rafb.net/p/80QgJy40.html
[01:52:39] <richlowe> first things' first, did you search with b.o.o, or google?
[01:52:44] <flyingparchment> both :)
[01:52:44] <richlowe> google finds things on b.o.o that b.o.o won't.
[01:52:47] <richlowe> Ok. :)
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[02:00:20] <DoYouKnow> any luck guys on getting ZFS root running on snv_71?
[02:00:21] <coffman> who is fucking with the sdlc?!
[02:00:44] <coffman> zfs is useless without lu
[02:00:58] <flyingparchment> hmm, could be a hardware issue, i was getting random read errors with QFS so i hoped zfs could identify the bad disk, but apparently it just paniced instead :)
[02:01:21] <richlowe> flyingparchment: half the stuff b.o.o finds are assertion failures from DEBUG kernels.
[02:01:32] <richlowe> flyingparchment: your best bet is probably to try and find the one that would have asserted, if you were running DEBUG :)
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[02:01:45] <flyingparchment> heh.
[02:01:51] <flyingparchment> that might be hard as this is S10 11/06, no source :)
[02:03:43] <elektronkind> that looks like a ZFS dangling dbuf panic I had with s10u3 a week ago... no null ptr deref though
[02:03:44] <badcoder> DoYouKnow nexentacp beta3 comes with zfs root as default
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[02:06:21] * flyingparchment would ask support, but apparently buying support in under two weeks is too much to hope for
[02:13:13] <jbk> man.. even the differences from b62->b72 are pretty amazing
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[02:29:38] <coffman> i would like to fill some bugs/feature request for dladm, maybe some one did before..
[02:30:13] <coffman> dladm show-wifi/scan-wifi should show the channel xbit encryption
[02:33:37] <coffman> badcoder: not every one wants all the gnuism
[02:38:37] <badcoder> coffman thats right , but gnusism is not all that bad
[02:40:36] <Doc> ok, so i'm on the download screen for sol10 8/07 x86 DVD
[02:41:02] <Doc> and i have the choice of downloading a single 1217Mb file "for downloads onto Windows only", or 2x 1190Mb files otherwise... wtf?
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[02:41:59] <nrubsig> badcoder: the GNUism is bad in cases where the GNU people deliberately piss on the POSIX standard.
[02:42:10] <nrubsig> (sorry for the "piss" thing)
[02:42:35] <badcoder> you could say shit on
[02:42:50] <nrubsig> badcoder: I already have trouble waving the flag that the GNU "sleep" command is a bad thing since it violates some POSIX stuff.
[02:43:37] <nrubsig> badcoder: e.g. "sleep 0.1" works, "sleep 0x1.999999999999p-04" won't work.
[02:44:06] <coffman> badcoder: if some one thinks that it is cool to make there tools utf8 only, thats bad
[02:44:37] <nrubsig> badcoder: sounds weired but it comes down that alternative float representations aren't supported by GNU stuff and even worse the unit extensions of "sleep" collide with that.
[02:44:54] <coffman> and gnu people tend to be worse then ms these days
[02:45:54] <nrubsig> badcoder: and see what coffman said. For chinese users support of zh_CN.18030 is required by the chinese goverment and Sun nor OpenSolaris get away by not supporting it. The same applies for ja_JP.PCK
[02:46:14] <nrubsig> badcoder: and huge efforts have been made to get ksh93 fixed to support this stuff in all fine details
[02:46:19] <jbk> that being said, i think some of the current solaris binaries could use some polishing
[02:46:25] <nrubsig> yes
[02:46:44] <nrubsig> jbk: but not by adding extensions which violate POSIX in a way which is going to be bad.
[02:46:51] <nrubsig> jbk: see "sleep" example above.
[02:46:53] <coffman> moving gnu bins from /usr/gnu to /usr was a big mistake
[02:47:02] <coffman> not that i dont use some of them
[02:47:12] <nrubsig> coffman: well, say that the person who ran that ARC case.
[02:49:06] <coffman> nrubsig: im not willing to start a rant on a mailing list, i rather focus on the newer stuff like dladm, stuff that is nice designed and not so easy to replace
[02:49:13] <nrubsig> I think we already have enougth mess with basic tools like /usr/bin/grep which screw-up multibyte characters.
[02:50:44] <jbk> god i hope upc brings along some performance improvements
[02:51:04] <nrubsig> upc=?
[02:51:05] <coffman> upc?
[02:51:20] <boyd> Here's a question out of the blue... on the mac I can type "open ." to open a finder window on the current dir (or open "some/path" to open any file or dir for that matter) is there a gnome equivalent of that?
[02:51:55] <jbk> err or what was it called.. the project to fix packaging
[02:52:03] <jbk> up something i think
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[02:52:40] <jbk> i've seen paint dry faster :)
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[02:54:27] <jbk> of course this is on ufs which probably doesn't help things
[02:54:39] * nrubsig greets Tpenta , master of the australian territory, slayer of managers, tamer of the beasts (koala monsters!), lord of the eastern shores of the big island ... and a damn good cook!
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[02:54:54] <boyd> Sheesh...
[02:55:11] * steleman wonders if this is the Academy Awards
[02:55:45] <nrubsig> Ladies, gentlemen and komodo dragons, we proudly present the Stele Man of the Year 2007!
[02:55:50] <boyd> "Thanks, I'd like to thank my midwives, kindergarten teacher..."
[02:56:12] <steleman> butcher, cab driver, drug dealer ...
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[02:57:27] <nrubsig> OK... here is goes: ksh93 fails when a nameref to an array which is a compound variable member passed via nameref
[02:57:40] <nrubsig> *donk*
[02:58:43] <jamesd> is that even supported in any other shell?  is that possible in C? ;-)
[02:59:21] <coffman> im at the mrmcd in darmstadt this week, its a small conference from the CCC http://mrmcd110b.metarheinmain.de/
[02:59:35] <coffman> nrubsig: there is even a dtrace talk
[02:59:38] <nrubsig> jamed: namerefs are a clever way to access local variables of a calling function, e.g. like pass by reference in C++
[03:00:07] <nrubsig> coffman: I have no money left.
[03:00:19] <coffman> nrubsig: ah, know that issue
[03:00:57] <boyd> It's gnome-open for those who care
[03:01:18] <nrubsig> jamesd: and AFAIK no other shell supports namerefs (I am unsure about zsh) which means you must pass all values by value in other shells.
[03:01:33] <nrubsig> jamesd: which sucks if you want to pass data back somehow.
[03:02:40] <coffman> boyd: you mean a place where i go with torches and pitchforks and punish them?
[03:03:19] <boyd> I mean that's the command I was looking for
[03:03:32] <coffman> oh :P
[03:03:37] <coffman> nvm
[03:03:40] <boyd> :)
[03:04:05] <coffman> i wonder if sun pays me traveling if i speak at a con about (open)solaris
[03:04:08] * Tpenta did not have a good holiday. We were on hayman island for less than 24 hours as we had to get lyn to a hospital on the mainland :(
[03:04:25] <nrubsig> Tpenta: why that ?
[03:04:31] <Tpenta> dislocated patella
[03:04:32] <nrubsig> Tpenta: what happened to her ?
[03:04:39] <nrubsig> dis... what ?
[03:04:48] <Tpenta> kneecap took a mystcal journey to the back of her knee
[03:04:58] <boyd> How does one do that?
[03:05:05] <nrubsig> Tpenta: !OUCH!
[03:05:08] <Tpenta> it just happened
[03:05:19] <nrubsig> Tpenta: How old is she ?
[03:05:22] <boyd> What, like just sitting there?
[03:05:35] <Tpenta> not a polite thing to ask, but older than me and I'm 42
[03:05:43] <nrubsig> erm
[03:05:44] <nrubsig> sorry
[03:05:52] <Tpenta> just walking around the bed in the room (30 minutes after arriving)
[03:05:57] <boyd> Wow..
[03:05:58] <nrubsig> Tpenta: sorry, I thought we're talking about your kids...
[03:06:05] <Tpenta> my wife :)
[03:06:30] <nrubsig> but... but...
[03:06:41] <nrubsig> the kneecap is fixed by lots of stuff...
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[03:06:49] <nrubsig> ... how can that happen ?
[03:06:49] <boyd> Here was I expecting you to say "she landed heavily on a skydive" or something
[03:06:56] <Tpenta> heh
[03:07:08] <Tpenta> it was all i could do to get her on the boat from hamilton island to hayman island
[03:07:21] <nrubsig> or attacked by KKS (killer koalas)
[03:07:38] <boyd> :(
[03:07:45] <richlowe> dropbears.
[03:07:48] <richlowe> they get everywhere :)
[03:07:53] <boyd> What's the treatment? Rest?
[03:07:58] <boyd> richlowe: You're right abou tthat
[03:08:04] <nrubsig> boyd: knifes
[03:08:40] <nrubsig> Tpenta: any surgery planned yet ?
[03:08:41] <Tpenta> no no no, in australia, it's drop bears ... see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEQpUY_crc&mode=related&search=
[03:09:05] <nrubsig> what ? drop bears doing the surgery on your wife ?
[03:09:08] <Tpenta> not yet but has to see doc on monday. she has to have it immobilised for 2 weeks, ... "I got voted of fthe island and have right leg bondage"
[03:09:15] <Tpenta> drop bears instead of KKS
[03:10:28] <Tpenta> though i like the red sock ad better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVBiuRp1oiA&mode=related&search=
[03:14:02] <flyingparchment> is running SunVTS a reasonable way to diagnose a system that fails randomly?
[03:16:32] <nrubsig> Tpenta: offtopic: I painfully realise the reason why you wrote the blog entry about "why did I do sh first" ...
[03:16:50] <nrubsig> Tpenta: ... mad trolls out there.
[03:16:51] <Tpenta> i am still getting email on that
[03:17:04] * nrubsig , too.
[03:17:07] <Tpenta> well more, "are you going to do ksh93"
[03:17:18] <nrubsig> groan
[03:17:47] <nrubsig> Tpenta: well , B72 seems to be out and I make branches for all the follow-up work later this week.
[03:17:50] <Tpenta> anyway, I hope this week to write up the PSARC fast track, post the draft on the website and then submit it
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[03:18:09] <nrubsig> Tpenta: can I review the fast-track, please ?
[03:18:22] <nrubsig> Tpenta: and BTW: do you add scope-begin/scope-end, too ?
[03:18:41] <Tpenta> i'll put it on the websit for a few days, and then anyone can comment on it after it is submitted
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[03:28:13] <boyd> Tpenta: I should chat with you when I have more time... I have some issues with the zsh one that I'm struggling with... lemme read your patch properly first though
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[03:38:54] <coffman> yeah nice
[03:38:59] <coffman> firefox core dump
[03:39:10] <nrubsig> coffman: stacktrace ?
[03:39:56] <boyd> At least these days is should offer to re-open your tabs
[03:40:13] <richlowe> which isn't quite so helpful, when one of them provoked the crash.
[03:40:27] <richlowe> the ever fun game of "race to get the damn tab closed in time"
[03:40:48] <coffman> heh
[03:40:55] <coffman> i use tab mix plus
[03:46:37] <coffman> flash
[03:46:40] <coffman> once again
[03:54:25] <coffman> i totaly will switch browsers
[03:54:38] <badcoder> exit
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[03:54:53] <coffman> opera does plugins in an extra process
[03:56:08] <SYS64738> is there anyone who use simscan (qmail wrapper) in solaris ?
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[04:06:13] <flyingparchment> hmm, the SunVTS manual doesn't seem to match the actual application.  it tells to select an option that isn't there.
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[04:21:16] <SYS64738> ./compile: gcc: not found
[04:21:22] <SYS64738> I hate when it does like that
[04:22:14] <SYS64738> I dont reach to install qmail-scanner and I dont reach to compile simscan
[04:22:18] <SYS64738> I hate all this
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[04:28:45] <richlowe> boyd: gnome-open
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[04:28:53] <richlowe> boyd: which (from memory) attempts to DTRT in the same way open does.
[04:30:03] <DoYouKnow> SYS64738: yeah, I get that as well
[04:30:06] <DoYouKnow> it bothered me
[04:30:17] <SYS64738> simscan or qmailscan ?
[04:30:20] <DoYouKnow> some fuse burnt in my brain and I don't think it's been quite repaired yet
[04:30:36] <DoYouKnow> let me know if you figure out how to fix it
[04:30:57] <SYS64738> you talk about qmailscan or simscan ?
[04:31:10] <SYS64738> or fuking both or them
[04:31:11] <DoYouKnow> well, I had a different program report that back to me
[04:31:28] <DoYouKnow> that it couldn't find gcc, but I could swear that I had it installed
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[04:31:34] <DoYouKnow> isn't it installed by default?
[04:31:47] <SYS64738> yes
[04:31:53] <SYS64738> I use to compile qmail
[04:31:54] <DoYouKnow> hmmm
[04:31:56] <SYS64738> used
[04:32:11] <edp> by default it's not in PATH though
[04:32:26] <SYS64738> I used to compile qmail, spamassassin and clamav
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[04:32:36] <SYS64738> bash-3.00# export
[04:32:37] <SYS64738> declare -x CC="/usr/sfw/bin/gcc"
[04:32:57] <SYS64738> but the fucking simscan don't find it
[04:33:07] <SYS64738> doesnt
[04:33:27] <edp> export PATH=/usr/sfw/bin:$PATH maybe?
[04:35:09] <_judsa_> i tried brushing my ferret's teeth again
[04:36:18] <SYS64738> there is something in the simscan.c that don't like solaris
[04:36:25] <SYS64738> doesnt
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[04:39:53] <SYS64738> i go to bed
[04:39:56] <SYS64738> good nigh
[04:40:01] <SYS64738> t
[04:46:25] <flyingparchment> why does vts test both c2t0d0 and c2t0d0p0?
[04:46:58] <_judsa_> i can hear cows outside
[04:49:48] <jbk> ok.. now hopefully this setup works..
[04:49:59] <_judsa_> every road leads to your door
[04:50:01] <_judsa_> every step i take, forever
[04:50:07] <g4lt-mordant> flyingparchment, the question is why wouldn't it?
[04:50:07] <_judsa_> just say you love me, for the rest of your life
[04:50:13] <_judsa_> i gotta lot of love and i dont wanna let go
[04:50:26] <flyingparchment> galt: what is the point of testing p0 if it also tests the entire disk?
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[04:51:15] <g4lt-mordant> flyingparchment, because the entire disk may not be visible to and/or used by  solaris
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[04:56:35] <unixware> good evening
[04:57:56] <jbk> hello
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[04:58:31] <unixware> :)
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[05:00:31] <_judsa_> i am suffocating from the smell of my own farts
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[05:01:16] <Auralis> o.O
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[05:03:27] <pauliukas> w...t...f...?
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[05:04:29] * g4lt-mordant is guessing his ignore is working
[05:05:05] <unixware> xDDD
[05:06:07] <badcoder> wtf unixware ?
[05:06:24] <badcoder> i thought you were dead ..
[05:06:34] <unixware> not jet :P
[05:06:42] <unixware> novell own me :P
[05:06:43] <unixware> xD
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[05:10:01] <pauliukas> LOL
[05:10:10] <pauliukas> Dude. Where were you, unixware.
[05:10:12] <pauliukas> I missed you
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[05:10:57] <unixware> :P
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[06:06:48] <coffman> the last dvd part of b72 x86 fails every time if i try to dl
[06:07:08] <jbk> hmm
[06:07:16] <jbk> try the download manager
[06:07:42] <elektronkind>   if you sign in again to sdlc you'll get a different download server... you can try that
[06:09:44] <coffman> did that
[06:09:46] <coffman> now it works
[06:09:52] <coffman> jbk: im using curl
[06:15:35] <coffman> there is something realy bad wrong...
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[06:30:30] <flyingparchment> how does SunVTS test disks? read, write, compare?
[06:31:27] <Doc> depends on the version.  some older versions did a  "write, read, panic"  test
[06:33:22] <jbk> hmm where in the heirarchy do the closed bins go for building?
[06:33:33] <jbk> same level as usr, in usr/src, ?
[06:33:45] <Tpenta> usr/closed
[06:33:51] <Tpenta> usr/src/closed
[06:33:54] <Tpenta> i mean
[06:34:07] <jbk> cool.. thanks
[06:34:10] <flyingparchment> Doc: heh :) do you know what 6.3sp1 does?
[06:34:46] <flyingparchment> and i thought the 'closed' directory was meant to be a sibling with usr/.. did i put them in the wrong place?
[06:36:29] <flyingparchment> iostat seems it's only doing reads.. i'm not sure how useful a read-only test is
[06:43:18] <Doc> if you want to test disks, use format -> analyze
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[06:50:51] <axisys> i so wish there are some mirror sites for sol 10 u4 download
[06:50:57] <axisys> it is soooo slow..
[06:51:45] <axisys> no matter which network I am on .. it is same .. i am using two separate corporate networks..
[06:52:28] <axisys> i am suppose to get at least 5MB/s.. i get only 65K/s
[06:53:37] <coffman> axisys: my sxce download always break down
[06:53:43] <richlowe> Tpenta: neither
[06:53:50] <richlowe> jbk: $CODEMGR_WS/closed/
[06:54:04] <richlowe> most definitely not usr/closed, that makes for one messy and embarrassing nightly.log :)
[06:54:14] <coffman> some one should donate some hardware to sdlc
[06:55:05] <axisys> coffman: i think there is doing hardcore rate limit
[06:55:08] <Tpenta> no rich, it's usr/closed, relative to $CODEMGR_WS
[06:55:17] <Tpenta> i was right first time
[06:55:22] <coffman> this is so embarrasing
[06:55:43] <axisys> for linux there are like 50 sites to download from
[06:55:54] <Tpenta> for the pedants, ${CODEMGR_WS}/usr/closed
[06:56:26] <jbk> hmm now this is a bit unclear: 'ATLOG - ..... this shoudl generally be left to the default setting' however, when creating the envfile, it doesn't appear by default to be defined in terms of anything else..
[06:57:18] <richlowe> Tpenta: no, that's where the closed *source* is.
[06:57:33] <richlowe> Tpenta: put the closed bins there, nightly thinks you have the closed source, and the world explodes, messily, over several hours.
[06:57:41] <Tpenta> oh i thought that's what was being asked (scrolls back)
[06:58:05] <Tpenta> my bad
[06:58:12] <jbk> oh no sorry.. thought i'd try building ON a shot
[06:58:25] <jbk> probably should have been a bit clearer
[06:58:40] <Tpenta> rich is right
[06:58:59] <richlowe> Tpenta: do you know if steve is running nightly -nd bins?
[06:59:04] <Tpenta> no idea
[06:59:13] <jbk> for my next project, i'm hoping it'd make more sense to just work on a cloned copy of ON, make my changes, and then since they're not OS-specific (like libdisasm), i can also make sure they build correctly w/ ON
[06:59:16] <Tpenta> if i can get to the summit, I can ask ;)
[06:59:29] <richlowe> Tpenta: Sure, but I'd kinda want them before then. :)
[06:59:38] <jbk> or if i want to work on other stuff, figure it's probably worthwhile to get it figured out
[06:59:39] <Tpenta> heh
[06:59:41] <Tpenta> i have no idea
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[06:59:53] <Tpenta> i kinda dropped out of the closed bins business
[07:00:02] <richlowe> Tpenta: lucky you.
[07:00:13] <richlowe> Tpenta: though I did see a 9u9 bug go by with you as RE
[07:00:17] <richlowe> so maybe not 'lucky'
[07:00:31] <Tpenta> which one is that?
[07:00:36] <jbk> so, which variables should be defined? so far I have CODEMGR_WS, VERSION, MACH, RELEASE_DATE, ROOT, and SRC
[07:00:37] <richlowe> I'd have to find it again...
[07:00:50] <Tpenta> and what do you mean by 9u9?
[07:00:51] <richlowe> jbk: CODEMGR_WS should be, VERSION can be, ROOT and SRC don't need to be.
[07:00:57] <richlowe> RELEASE_DATE probably shouldn't be touched.
[07:01:08] <richlowe> Tpenta: sol9 update 9
[07:01:13] <Tpenta> RELEASE_BUILD shoudl be set if you don't want to do a debug build
[07:01:24] <Tpenta> we're doign a s9 update????
[07:01:29] <richlowe> Tpenta: don't ask me.
[07:01:36] <richlowe> 6462053
[07:01:58] <jbk> if you want to use nightly?
[07:02:08] <Tpenta> was it fixed?
[07:02:13] <richlowe> jbk: copy opensolaris.sh, adjust it as layed out in the devref
[07:02:27] <richlowe> Tpenta: fixed in s9u9_06
[07:02:32] <jbk> hmm i missed that one :) sounds like it might be useful
[07:02:33] <richlowe> Tpenta: who knows when, but last updated 2 days ago.
[07:03:11] * Tpenta wonders if that was 125418-01
[07:03:32] <richlowe> 117350-40?
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[07:03:44] <richlowe> (whatever PST_Patchid: in the keywords means...)
[07:03:58] <Tpenta> that fix was delivered in patches in january
[07:04:41] <Tpenta> that particular fix was a real nightmare (that bug was only one of the issues addressed)
[07:06:19] <richlowe> Oh, yeah, because b.o.o date search is "last changed", not when it was filed.
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[07:16:55] <jbk> one other quick question before i try this again.. does the b72 isos include the correct compiler for building on? or should i go grab a different version?
[07:17:25] <flyingparchment> you need to install the correct version
[07:17:39] <richlowe> No.
[07:17:44] <richlowe> install the correct version.
[07:17:52] <richlowe> as far as I'm aware, SX:DE has never delivered the right one.
[07:17:57] <jbk> ok
[07:19:12] <coffman> jbk: sx:de is crap. dont even think about
[07:19:33] <richlowe> cursed sunsolve.
[07:20:44] <coffman> its done! i finaly got it! (b72)
[07:21:00] <jbk> i must say (I said it earlier), the changes even from b62->b72 are pretty impressive
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[07:21:26] <nrubsig> coffman: $ ksh /usr/demo/ksh/fun/gnaw # !!!!
[07:21:33] <nrubsig> er
[07:21:37] <nrubsig> coffman: $ ksh93 /usr/demo/ksh/fun/gnaw # !!!!
[07:21:38] <nrubsig> sorry
[07:21:48] <jbk> so far everything appears to pretty much just work
[07:21:49] <coffman> nrubsig: is it in 72?
[07:21:59] <nrubsig> coffman: I hope so.
[07:22:17] <coffman> still need to cat it and then lucreate/luupadte
[07:24:00] <jbk> the biggest issue is it seems like gnome has some stability issues
[07:24:30] <richlowe> now there's an argument you really don't want to start.
[07:24:36] <jbk> haha
[07:24:44] <jbk> for those people: more than 'normal'
[07:25:46] <_judsa_> where can i find pornographic images on the internet
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[07:29:41] <coffman> nrubsig: http://www.jinx.com/women/shirts/geek/the_sun_is_trying_to_kill_me.html?catid=83
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[08:04:36] <e^ipi> heyas
[08:05:57] <jbk> evening
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[08:23:00] <e^ipi> my latte art is improving...
[08:27:21] <bda> Are you at the "Let's make some happy trees" stage, or rocking the Rembrandt, as it were.
[08:27:52] <e^ipi> no, just happy trees
[08:28:08] <bda> Well, you can't have enough happy trees.
[08:28:43] <e^ipi> at least now i can get trees, instead of blobs
[08:30:46] <e^ipi> I mostly got ignored by my customers, but I got one "what the ...? neat!"
[08:31:11] <bda> Heh.
[08:31:36] <bda> It's always seemed like kind of a weird practice to me, but I suppose it's the same as any other food presentation.
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[08:33:47] <e^ipi> meh, it doesn't take any more time to do, and it's something to entertain at least me at work
[08:34:01] <bda> Yea, fair enough. :)
[08:34:24] <richlowe> the suitability depends on what it is you're drawing, I guess.
[08:34:27] <richlowe> and/or how recognizable it is.
[08:34:29] <palowoda> No happy trees for me.  My property is 6 miles from this: http://www.plumasnews.com  and I have a lot of trees.
[08:34:36] <bda> I've only worked one food industry job ever. I was the only guy there, though. The managers hired cute girls to boulster business.
[08:34:45] <bda> So I was never without something to entertain me. :)
[08:38:48] <e^ipi> heh
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[08:57:21] <flyingparchment> i love watching computers sleep: http://rafb.net/p/odJl1d63.html
[08:58:04] <Tempt> Yo, desktop people.
[08:58:11] <Tempt> Anyone had any luck using scanners with SXCE?
[08:58:44] <flyingparchment> i think i heard SANE works, so i'd guess most scsi/parallel scanner should work.. don't know any details though
[08:58:52] <flyingparchment> er, scsi/usb i mean
[09:01:30] <Tempt> Is there a recommended SANE distribution?
[09:01:40] <Tempt> I've installed the blastwave SANE, but it just locks up
[09:01:47] <Tempt> Despite the scanner being on the supported list for SANE
[09:09:08] <jbk> i'm surprised it's not included
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[09:13:57] <palowoda> I will bet it was Sascha Ferley who did the blastwave Sane port.  You might try Sashcha.Ferley at infineon.net
[09:17:05] <Tempt> Hmm, might give it a try
[09:17:16] <Tempt> Googling the issue talks about adding magical USB to SCSI drivers
[09:17:29] <Tempt> At which point
[09:17:41] <Tempt> I realised that ebay will provide an old HP ScanJet for around $5
[09:17:51] <palowoda> I just remember talking with him on the phone about scsi sane drivers.
[09:17:53] <Tempt> And they talk good, honest, open, simple, easily accessible, plug into any machine in the house .. SCSI
[09:18:22] <palowoda> And he did have a scsi scanner on solaris x86.
[09:18:34] <Tempt> The SCSI scanner thing has always been easy.
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[09:18:55] <Tempt> USB, on the other hand, sucks.
[09:18:55] <palowoda> There could be bugs related to usb sane.
[09:19:32] <Tempt> ooh, found some docs
[09:19:37] * Tempt goes off to read documentation
[09:25:21] <coffman> Tempt: pmpkg has sane
[09:27:01] <Tempt> working
[09:27:09] <Tempt> just needed to get a firmware file for it
[09:27:12] <Tempt> didn't work at all under Solaris 10
[09:27:15] <Tempt> but fine under SXCEb69
[09:27:41] <palowoda> There you go another win for opensolaris.
[09:28:35] <palowoda> Should only be three years for Solaris 10.
[09:28:40] <Tempt> Well, not working properly yet
[09:28:43] <Tempt> sane just dumped core
[09:29:16] <palowoda> At least you have a stack to report.
[09:29:31] <Tempt> and a pkgrm to use
[09:29:38] <Tempt> after I throw the scanner out the Window
[09:29:47] <Tempt> or, you know, plug it into the mac and watch it just work
[09:29:50] <palowoda> Wait a min.  You can't report that anywhere.
[09:30:13] <Tempt> I've been taught my lesson about open source projects.
[09:30:16] <Tempt> Don't submit bug reports
[09:30:19] <Tempt> Don't submit diffs
[09:30:24] <Tempt> Don't submit patches
[09:30:31] <palowoda> Report it to Indiana
[09:31:12] <Tempt> Unless it's actually a Solaris/OpenSolaris specific effort, nobody wants to hear about bugs, diffs, patches, updates, suggestions or anything else.
[09:31:28] <coffman> Tempt: tell me
[09:31:30] <palowoda> Wait Indiana doesn't have a bug category yet.
[09:31:54] <palowoda> I knew the summit was about that.
[09:32:03] <coffman> Tempt: getting solaris patches upstream is the hell
[09:32:08] <Tempt> It's not worth it
[09:32:12] <Tempt> I stopped caring
[09:32:19] <coffman> right
[09:32:43] <Tempt> The reality is it isn't just getting Solaris patches in that sucks
[09:33:00] <Tempt> Trying to get any linux patches back in is next to impossible as well.
[09:33:10] <palowoda> MS too.
[09:33:33] <palowoda> Shesh come to think of it BSD also.
[09:33:49] <palowoda> That leaves HP and IBM to be our savours.
[09:34:00] <Tempt> The difference is, the BSD guys will typically talk to you.
[09:34:12] <Tempt> If they don't want your patches they might explain why
[09:34:13] <palowoda> Talk is cheap.
[09:34:30] <Tempt> Whereas linux devs generally return with "naah, I don't own one of those, so fuck off already".
[09:35:49] <palowoda> Always wondered why Sun doesn't use scanners.
[09:36:07] <flyingparchment> Sun uses Windows.  ;-)
[09:36:20] <coffman> Tempt: http://freshmeat.net/projects/pmpkg/ http://mtn-host.prjek.net/viewmtn/pmpkg/revision/browse/dc8736105668df310cbe300d8b7e53349bb0644e/system
[09:36:25] <coffman> look there
[09:36:59] <Tempt> As I said, I'll just shelf this shitsack and get a SCSI scanner
[09:37:14] <Tempt> The device is being detected properly, but it won't actually scan
[09:37:18] <jbk> Tempt: sane should work
[09:37:19] <palowoda> Can you get scsi scanners any longer?
[09:37:22] <Tempt> which means there's a good chance it might be fux0red anyway
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[09:37:32] <Tempt> palowoda: Ebay will sell me an antique HP for $5
[09:37:33] <jbk> i remember this week reading about some sun guy setting it up w/ sun rays
[09:37:36] <Tempt> palowoda: That's good enough for me.
[09:37:52] <Tempt> I have no doubt I could get a USB scanner running on Solaris
[09:37:55] <Tempt> hanging off a SunRay
[09:38:00] <palowoda> Who gives a flying **** about Sunray?
[09:38:01] <Tempt> and use the sunray as a 'scanner server'
[09:38:05] <Tempt> But honestly ...
[09:38:12] <Tempt> my time isn't worth it
[09:38:26] <Tempt> The hours I'd spend chasing the fault down would be better spent buying a SCSI scanner
[09:38:29] <Tempt> and having a few beers
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[09:38:46] <palowoda> Sunray isn't the answer.
[09:38:51] <coffman> Tempt: the guy who packaged it in pmpkg patched the file for his scanner.... you might be able to do the same
[09:39:04] <Tempt> anyway, off to try plugging it into the Mac
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[09:39:45] <palowoda> Tempt: It will actually work in Winders also.
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[09:41:15] <palowoda> I heard Ian was going to develop all printer and scanner drivers for Solaris from now on.
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[09:44:39] <Tempt> Okay
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[09:44:47] <Tempt> Won't scan on Solaris
[09:44:50] <Tempt> Won't detect on the mac...
[09:45:00] <palowoda> And Winders?
[09:45:10] <Tempt> plugging into the Ultra20 right now
[09:46:05] <palowoda> Tempt: Just curious does the scanner work with AIX?
[09:46:27] <Tempt> Hmm
[09:46:30] <Tempt> no AIX box here
[09:46:32] <Tempt> can't tell you.
[09:46:49] <palowoda> No HPUX either?
[09:47:29] <Tempt> fuck
[09:47:36] <palowoda> What the hell MS has a monopoly on scanners?
[09:47:37] <Tempt> Winders drivers come in disk images to be written to floppies
[09:47:47] <Tempt> scanner is now getting defenestrated
[09:48:02] <palowoda> Buying junk scanners?
[09:48:46] <Tempt> scanner is now outside
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[09:49:34] <palowoda> Time to get a decent scanner.
[09:51:24] <palowoda> Mine only does 4800dpi, I need a 9600 model.
[09:51:47] <Tempt> oh yeah
[09:51:52] <Tempt> use your scanner as a microscope
[09:51:53] <Tempt> :)
[09:52:05] <palowoda> One connected to the Hubble too.
[09:52:07] <Tempt> I'd be happy with 2400dpi
[09:52:09] <Tempt> or 1200
[09:52:17] <Tempt> Just enough to scan some docs so I can shred them
[09:52:30] <Tempt> and the gf wants to scan some sketches
[09:52:51] <palowoda> Ah there only 200.00 new down the road at your favoriate computer store.
[09:54:10] <palowoda> Why do people own and use working scanners is beyond me.
[09:54:13] <palowoda> :)
[09:55:33] <Tempt> Nah
[09:55:38] <Tempt> Ebay myself a SCSI scanner
[09:55:43] <Tempt> I'm not playing this USB game anymore.
[09:56:01] <Tempt> Besides, I'm out of slots on the 880, I can't fit a USB2.0 card in there.
[09:56:32] <palowoda> Think of if your a Solaris business and somebody wants you to use your scanner to fax a document.
[09:56:52] <Tempt> Tell them to use the fax machine?
[09:56:53] <palowoda> Tell the frig off and use email?
[09:57:00] <Tempt> Use email?
[09:57:03] <Tempt> post it?
[09:57:10] <Tempt> wipe their arse on the document and give up?
[09:57:15] <Tempt> All very, very valid suggestions.
[09:57:33] <Tempt> I'm sure I'll have fun trying to connect the SCSI scanner anyway
[09:57:40] <Tempt> They've always got those big centronics style plugs
[09:58:00] <Tempt> and I'm not sure I have enough SCSI bits and bobs to get from the high density wides on the back of my machine to classic SCSI-1
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[10:07:04] <Tempt> Ooh, alternative firmware image to try with SANE
[10:07:11] <Tempt> time to go outside and pick the scanner up
[10:08:00] <Tempt> hey look at that.
[10:08:05] <Tempt> One scan
[10:08:36] <Tempt> Pity there is no image
[10:08:40] <Tempt> but it at least turned the light on
[10:08:49] <bda> Baby steps, eh?
[10:09:00] <flyingparchment> did you put the paper the right way up?
[10:09:51] <WickedWicky> BOO!
[10:09:52] <Tempt> Yes!
[10:09:55] <Tempt> Oooh
[10:09:58] <Tempt> we have a monochrome preview scan
[10:09:59] <palowoda> flyingparchment: That was a scripted support response yes?
[10:10:03] <flyingparchment> Sep  9 00:30:46 clematis scsi: [ID 107833 kern.notice] /pci@0,0/pci1022,7450@a/pci17c2,10@4 (mpt0):
[10:10:04] <flyingparchment> Sep  9 00:30:46 clematis        Physical disk (target 1) is |missing|
[10:10:07] <flyingparchment> "missing"?!
[10:10:39] <WickedWicky> that's not what you want to see on a sunday
[10:10:50] <Tempt> missing
[10:10:53] <Tempt> That's full of lols
[10:11:02] <WickedWicky> eating by a crock, I tell ya
[10:11:04] <Tempt> Someone stole your disks
[10:11:05] * flyingparchment imagines someone breaking into the DC and stealing a disk
[10:11:06] <WickedWicky> eaten too
[10:11:10] <Tempt> Eaten by a dingo
[10:11:17] <WickedWicky> dingos are vicious!
[10:11:26] <Tempt> when they run out of babies, they get into spindles
[10:12:15] <WickedWicky> they more RPMS the spindles make, the tastier, or so I read in a book
[10:12:22] <Tempt> Oh, absolutely.
[10:12:31] <Tempt> ooh, colour prescan
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[10:14:10] <coffman> Tempt: buy your self a network scannr
[10:14:30] <Tempt> No, must have SCSI
[10:14:39] <Tempt> Network scanners cost real money
[10:14:43] <Tempt> old HPs are nearly free
[10:14:56] <Tempt> Anyway, this crapshite scanner is actually scanning now, so I can have 1200dpi of blur.
[10:15:22] <lloy0076> I can't seem to live upgrade my system...
[10:15:27] <lloy0076> I'm getting: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/688242
[10:18:07] <coffman> lloy0076: why not just mount the iso?
[10:18:58] <lloy0076> It's loop mounted
[10:19:06] <coffman> okay..
[10:19:18] <lloy0076> I did lofiadm -a /the/iso.iso ... and then mount -F hsfs /dev/lofi/1 /cdrom
[10:19:26] <lloy0076> It's worked every other time I've tried this trick.
[10:23:59] <e^ipi> I wonder if there's good coffee to be had in santa cruz
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[10:27:52] <Tempt> possibly.
[10:28:04] * flyingparchment is relieved to learn that magical disappearing disks can be hot-swapped by monkeys
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[10:40:31] <Fish-> hello
[10:40:47] <flyingparchment> hmm, i'm kind of disappointed the missing disk didn't generate an fma entry
[10:40:51] <flyingparchment> isn't that the sort of thing fma is for?
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[10:53:32] <Pietro_S> how can I mount iPod vido in sxce? HAL won't add device for it, rmformat find ipod, but I'm unsure how to mount it ....
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[10:56:31] <Pietro_S> by the way rmmount has mistake in man page - parameter device and mount-point have same description
[11:00:25] <richlowe> file a bug.
[11:00:50] <richlowe> though it appears to be fixed.
[11:00:53] <richlowe> (or recently broken)
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[11:10:47] <Pietro_S> does bug in man pages are in doc category?
[11:10:56] <richlowe> it looks to be fixed in snv_70
[11:11:40] <richlowe> or specific to a translation, I guess.
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[11:13:33] <Pietro_S> I'm in sxce70
[11:14:36] <Pietro_S> and I didn't found it in bug database
[11:14:39] <richlowe> well, manpage bugs are in manpage:<section>
[11:14:49] <richlowe> but looking at the page here, the descriptions aren't the same.
[11:19:03] <Pietro_S> strange ..., I'll try it after installing sxce72
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[11:40:23] <BatonT> how are people finding the native NV sata in sxce72?
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[11:59:43] <Pietro_S> how can I discover how much RAM does kernel eat?
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[12:04:02] <seanmcg> Pietro_S: echo "::memstat" | mdb -k
[12:04:25] <seanmcg> that may take a while depending on how much memory your box has and how busy it is..
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[12:06:24] <seanmcg> then to see what part of the kernel/modules are using memory: echo ::kmastat | mdb -k
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[12:20:51] <Pietro_S> thanks, this is interesting
[12:20:53] <Pietro_S> Page Summary                Pages                MB  %Tot
[12:20:54] <Pietro_S> Kernel                     146218               571   56%
[12:24:31] <Pietro_S> what is zio? zio_buf eats 298MB
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[12:25:24] <Pietro_S> looks like I really need more mem :-(
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[12:26:35] <Sup3rkiddo> hello, whats the equivalent of mount --bind in opensolaris, i moved /opt to /export/home/opt since i didnt have enough room in my /...now i want to bind .export/home/opt to /opt....any pointers how i could do that?
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[12:29:01] <Pietro_S> Sup3rkiddo: do you have it on zfs?
[12:29:10] <Sup3rkiddo> Pietro_S: yes
[12:30:35] <Pietro_S> you can set mountpoint of zfs to /opt
[12:31:17] <Sup3rkiddo> righto, jus a sec
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[12:33:04] <Pietro_S> zfs set mountpoint=/opt your_tank/opt
[12:33:04] <Sup3rkiddo> wait a sec, the latest builds dont format the partitions as zfs, do they?
[12:33:55] <Pietro_S> zpool list
[12:34:12] <Sup3rkiddo> dang, nada
[12:34:21] <Sup3rkiddo> its ufs, sorry mate
[12:34:30] <Pietro_S> that will show you if you have some zfs pool
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[12:34:44] <Sup3rkiddo> no pools available
[12:36:52] <boyd> richlowe: Thanks, found it :)
[12:37:07] <Pietro_S> sry, no idea how to do it with ufs, but if this is new install, you  probably want to make zfs for your home directory, and let only ufs for root slice (to work with LU)
[12:38:54] <boyd> Sup3rkiddo: If /export/home/opt is just a directory (not a mount point) you probably want to look at lofs(7FS)
[12:39:07] <Tempt> Hmm
[12:39:12] <boyd> Something like mount -F lofs /export/home/opt /opt
[12:39:15] <Tempt> anyone using a tablet with SX? Wacom-style?
[12:39:34] <boyd> Hey Tempt
[12:39:35] <Sup3rkiddo> Pietro_S: i guess i will have to drop in an single user shell to do that, since i cant umount /export/home now...
[12:39:42] <Tempt> Hey boyd!
[12:39:49] <Sup3rkiddo> boyd: i will try that thanks, but zfs seems sexy :d
[12:39:50] <Sup3rkiddo> brb
[12:40:03] <coffman> Tempt: intuos 3 i have
[12:40:19] <coffman> Tempt: wacom...
[12:40:32] <Tempt> coffman: Excellent. Did it work nicely?
[12:41:28] <coffman> Tempt: it works, but i cant config it like a tablet, so its basic support :/
[12:41:46] <coffman> wacom driver only works with serial based wacoms
[12:42:05] <Tempt> That's cool, I was actually looking at a serial one
[12:42:19] <Tempt> Google tells me there are USB drivers as well.
[12:42:49] <coffman> mine is a usb
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[12:43:07] <coffman> i meant the driver from wacom for solaris sparc
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[12:43:12] <Tempt> Nifty.
[12:43:18] <Tempt> Either way, looks like a good option.
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[12:43:54] <Tempt> Of course, ebay item # 220146041415 looks ideal ;-)
[12:44:42] <coffman> lol
[12:44:56] <Tempt> No kill like overkill, right?
[12:45:07] <coffman> yeah
[12:48:14] <boyd> Tempt: Ho Lee Crap
[12:48:29] <Tempt> Looks nice, huh?
[12:49:08] <boyd> Yeah... shame about the lack of support...
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[12:49:45] <Tempt> Oh, and is that "Ho Lee Crap with Black Bean" or "Ho Lee Crap in Szechuan Style"?
[12:49:48] <dlg> you just need to find someone who can write kernel drivers
[12:49:49] <Tempt> :-)
[12:50:06] <Tempt> Some initial googlage indicates there may be a set of drivers for Solaris/SPARC 2.4
[12:50:18] <boyd> Combination Birds Nest Ho Lee Crap
[12:50:37] <boyd> It's not clear that it comes with a cursor
[12:50:50] <Tempt> Mmm, birds nest.
[12:52:45] * boyd lols at dilbert
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[12:55:59] <coffman> Tempt: i think tablet drivers are not that hard to write
[12:56:12] <Tempt> Shouldn't be hard at all
[12:56:13] <coffman> Tempt: oxygene did his own as far as i know
[12:56:39] <Tempt> The drivers for my Lifebook's touchscreen (which is apparently wacomish) consist of .. a perl script that slams events into X.
[12:57:37] <boyd> Ugh
[12:57:38] <Tempt> So it'd be a matter of reverse-engineering the serial data and hacking the script up.
[12:57:58] <dlg> is it usb or real serial?
[12:58:00] <coffman> Tempt: you did it by your own?
[12:58:10] <Tempt> Nah
[12:58:17] <coffman> kay
[12:58:18] <Tempt> I found someone else's effort and did some work on it.
[12:58:38] <Tempt> Lifebook's touch screen presents as a real serial port.
[12:58:44] <Tempt> (on a nonstandard location)
[12:58:45] <coffman> friend of mine has a lifebook with touchscreen, and it works nicely on linux
[12:59:01] <Tempt> Yes, I had everything set up with Ubuntu. And then Ubuntu exploded
[12:59:06] <Tempt> and ate the filesystem
[12:59:16] <Tempt> I have a backup but I honestly don't have the enthusiasm to fix it.
[12:59:42] <coffman> i shit on linux, i would rather install windows instead
[12:59:46] <Tempt> I'd be a *LOT* easier if Ubuntu accepted the fucking patches I sent them to fix the lifebook support completely - repairs the the suspend scripts, support for screen dimming, etc, etc.
[12:59:54] <boyd> Hmm... Not sure about the no-scripting packaging idea from sch
[12:59:54] <Tempt> I've got XP Tablet Edition back on the Lifebook at the moment.
[13:00:11] <Tempt> I needed the stability.
[13:00:24] <coffman> on a laptop it makes so much sense
[13:00:31] <Tempt> So I'm running XP Tablet edition with an SSGD full screen session.
[13:00:36] <Tempt> :)
[13:00:47] <coffman> win xp booted needs less memory then nautilus alone
[13:00:54] <Tempt> Sadly, I think I'm pretty much cured of the desire to own a laptop.
[13:00:55] <coffman> that so fucking wrong
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[13:01:17] <flyingparchment> laptops are great.  portable server with a built-in UPS :)
[13:01:20] <Tempt> heh
[13:01:33] <Tempt> I'll start carrying a laptop again when SXCE is ready for my laptop needs.
[13:01:59] <Tempt> The killer with running Linux on the lifebook was the awful battery life as well.
[13:02:19] <Tempt> and it only has 512Mb of RAM, so GNOME chokes it up and fluxbox is hopeless with a tablet interface.
[13:02:55] <Tempt> anyway, taco time. bbk later.
[13:05:31] * boyd always wonders if Tempt is talking about food when he says that.
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[13:09:32] <LeftWing> boyd: What sorts of problems do you foresee with the no-scripting pkg?
[13:10:59] <boyd> I'm not sure... I have a nigging suspicion that there will be problems for some cases. "I foresee all kinds of unforseen problems"
[13:11:02] <coffman> eek
[13:11:28] <coffman> will buy myself a t40 with 2gb ram and _2_ harddisks
[13:11:34] <coffman> solaris loves disks
[13:11:43] <Pietro_S> Tempt: you can put to your laptop more ram ...
[13:11:51] <LeftWing> boyd: Perhaps.  It's a good idea in some senses, though.  Like removing the ability for people to do dumb things in package scripts. ;P
[13:11:58] <coffman> Pietro_S: i will
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[13:14:01] <Pietro_S> hmm, looks like this usb flash (4GB, usb2) is not "Solaris friendly TM", it working only in usb1 mode :-(
[13:14:02] <coffman> boyd: was that your blog entry? (i got way to much feeds)
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[13:14:27] <boyd> coffman: about pkgs? The only one I've seen is stephen hahns
[13:14:29] <Pietro_S> copied 3.4GB in 1h23min :-(
[13:15:28] * LeftWing groans about logging bugs.
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[13:20:53] <_judsa_> hey guys
[13:21:05] <_judsa_> who here is m or f
[13:21:20] <LeftWing> Oh noes, it's IRC.
[13:21:43] <_judsa_> he he
[13:21:44] <_judsa_> :)
[13:24:04] <Tempt> Pietro_S: More RAM for my lifebook would be quite expensive, and any OS that requires more RAM than Windows with all the add-on tablet bollocks is obviously just not worth looking at on a laptop.
[13:24:45] <jmcp> _judsa_: nobody here cares about gender
[13:24:58] <jmcp> _judsa_: because it's almost entirely irrelevant to what we discuss
[13:25:00] <_judsa_> jmcp: gender is m or f?
[13:25:09] <_judsa_> is gay a gender?
[13:25:18] <jmcp> _judsa_: again, irrelevant
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[13:25:53] <Tempt> Man, between this twit and kaiwai, you'd swear this was #opengaysexolaris
[13:25:57] <jmcp> heh
[13:26:02] <jmcp> good evening, Tempt
[13:26:12] <Tempt> Surely there is an IRC channel better suited to pick-up attempts.
[13:26:15] <Tempt> Evenin, jmcp.
[13:26:23] <flyingparchment> hey jm
[13:26:27] <jmcp> hi flyingparchment
[13:26:29] <flyingparchment> jmcp: interested in a U3 zfs panic? :)
[13:26:38] <jmcp> flyingparchment: probably not, but try me :)
[13:26:52] <flyingparchment> jmcp: http://rafb.net/p/80QgJy40.html
[13:26:56] * jmcp looks
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[13:27:13] <_judsa_> he he
[13:27:52] <jmcp> flyingparchment: one of the hits I just saw was  6446569 deferred list is hooked on flintstone vitamins
[13:27:54] * jmcp rotfl
[13:28:00] <flyingparchment> heh
[13:28:01] <Tempt> In my experience, discussing the finer points of Solaris has absolutely nothing to do with getting laid.
[13:28:58] <_judsa_> i want very much put m y anus in a women's penise
[13:29:17] <jmcp> flyingparchment: looks like 6549634 dn_dbfs_mtx should be held when calling list_link_active() in dbuf_destroy()
[13:29:21] <Stric> interesting statement ;)
[13:29:32] <WickedWicky> biology wasnt your strongest subject in highschool.. was it
[13:29:39] <jmcp> fixed in snv_66
[13:29:48] <flyingparchment> jmcp: hmm, not much info on b.o.o.. i guess it's not fixed in U4?
[13:29:54] <jmcp> not sure
[13:29:55] <jmcp> checking
[13:30:01] <jmcp> no
[13:30:10] * LeftWing attempts to get wesolows' attention by saying good things about Fibre Channel.
[13:30:13] <jmcp> you should log a call and get it escalated - there's no s10 subCR
[13:30:29] <flyingparchment> i would, but i'm still waiting for a quote so i can buy support :)
[13:30:32] <jmcp> ow
[13:30:37] <Tempt> <LeftWing> I think Fibre Channel is great.
[13:30:41] <LeftWing> Oh noes!
[13:30:48] <Tempt> <LeftWing> I wish everything in the world ran on Fibre Channel
[13:30:57] <Tempt> <Lefting> Even better if it was EMC SAN hardware, too.
[13:30:58] <jmcp> back in a while - gonna help my wife make some cheesecake
[13:31:01] <Tempt> (etc, etc)
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[13:31:14] <WickedWicky> cheesecake rox!
[13:31:16] <Tempt> Mmmm, cheesecake. DCC me a slice when you're done
[13:31:17] <_judsa_> your wife is m or f?
[13:31:36] <Tempt> alright, joke is up, somebody kickban the twit.
[13:31:41] <LeftWing> Tpenta: Poke?
[13:31:45] <WickedWicky> I am gonna recall my statement about highschool
[13:31:56] <_judsa_> i want to have sex with lots of naked women
[13:32:22] <boyd> Seriously, is this what passes for picking up among the kids these days? I used to have to play my mandolin outside their window after riding my donkey for 40 miles, just to get 'em to show me their ears!
[13:32:37] <_judsa_> :)
[13:32:45] <LeftWing> boyd: You're an ears man? ;P
[13:33:00] <boyd> LeftWing: Well, it was second base.... after the nose.
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[13:33:21] <boyd> We had a lot of bases in those days.
[13:33:32] <Tempt> "all your base..."
[13:33:39] * LeftWing remembers a Goon show quip about photographs for Artlovers and Admirers of the Human Hat.
[13:33:46] <boyd> Yes, strangly that's the origin of the term :)
[13:34:03] <_judsa_> do you guys prefer grils w/ or w/o penies
[13:34:05] <_judsa_> i prefer w/
[13:34:06] <_judsa_> o
[13:34:23] <WickedWicky> what I really prefer is you typing /quit
[13:34:37] <_judsa_> oh
[13:34:42] <WickedWicky> or at least shut up
[13:34:44] <Tempt> boyd: So, what were you getting by base 16? A good 0xF?
[13:34:49] <LeftWing> What's better, WickedWicky, is the server-based Porn.  Type "/SERVER PORN" to get it.
[13:34:52] <boyd> Tempt: lol
[13:35:21] <Tempt> LeftWing: Do you need to use the ALT-F4 instant-ops key first?
[13:35:52] <LeftWing> Tempt: This is possible.  You may also want to be in the Magical Ops channel, which if I recall correctly is #ops,0
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[13:37:08] <WickedWicky> RESULT!
[13:37:09] <Tempt> Man, times like this call for orbiting weapons platforms and a working IP to GPS coordinate lookup.
[13:37:22] <WickedWicky> and beat the shit out of it
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[13:37:56] <WickedWicky> you could also try your hardware fixing feat. a hammer on him
[13:38:06] <WickedWicky> or ask the gf to give the theory a try on real persons
[13:39:56] <Tempt> Hmm
[13:40:04] <Tempt> Sledgehammer would be a good start.
[13:40:19] <WickedWicky> we could also try to send kawai to his place.. and give him a job which will paralise him for the coming 60 years
[13:40:35] <WickedWicky> kawai happy, this thing happy
[13:40:40] <Tempt> We could just chain the two together and lock them in a room with no internet access
[13:40:45] <Tempt> That'd be a happy world.
[13:40:50] <WickedWicky> it's not like they can reproduce
[13:40:53] <WickedWicky> win win
[13:41:02] <Tempt> A single printer in the room
[13:41:03] <boyd> I seem to have missed a whole side of kaiwai's personality
[13:41:11] <WickedWicky> O.o
[13:41:13] <Tempt> dispensing their read-only feed to osol-discuss
[13:41:17] <WickedWicky> it's kinda obvious
[13:41:30] <boyd> Not "missed" in the "sorry I missed you" sense.
[13:41:42] <WickedWicky> sure
[13:42:03] <boyd> "missed" in the "phew, I just missed stepping in the dog turd" sense
[13:42:40] <WickedWicky> how could you have missed it?
[13:43:05] <boyd> Maybe it's the mental /ignore that I have set :)
[13:43:14] <WickedWicky> he talks about his pink laptop
[13:43:22] <WickedWicky> he talks about dildos for his pleasure
[13:43:29] <WickedWicky> you have to be really blind to miss that
[13:43:45] <WickedWicky> or /ignore, yea
[13:43:55] <boyd> I guess I haven't been here at the right times..
[13:44:03] <WickedWicky> indeed :P
[13:44:34] <boyd> Can't say I'm disappointed. His emails annoy me enough
[13:45:13] <flyingparchment> boyd: won't someone think of pcfs?!
[13:45:31] <coffman> pcfs sucks
[13:45:38] <boyd> That's the kinda thing... Sun don't put enough R&D into pcfs FFS
[13:45:49] <coffman> :P
[13:46:18] <Tempt> alright
[13:46:19] <Tempt> alright
[13:46:20] <Tempt> ENOUGH!
[13:46:47] <boyd> Umm.. yes?
[13:46:49] * WickedWicky wants full read/write support in solaris, native
[13:47:06] <boyd> WickedWicky: Err.. I'm guessing you mean NTFS?
[13:47:13] <WickedWicky> ..
[13:47:14] <WickedWicky> lol
[13:47:17] <flyingparchment> WickedWicky: it already does that.  but it won't work with kaiwai's ipod - proof that sun has no interest in solaris on the desktop
[13:47:20] <WickedWicky> would be handy to mention that
[13:47:28] <WickedWicky> NTFS, yes
[13:48:06] <WickedWicky> what do you mean, doesnt work?
[13:48:11] <WickedWicky> It worked with my ipod
[13:48:18] <WickedWicky> gtkpod ftw
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[13:48:37] <WickedWicky> my next mission is MTP, for my creative
[13:48:58] <coffman> my trekstore ibeat organix does not work with opensolaris!
[13:49:02] <coffman> :)
[13:49:13] <coffman> some one should gimme op
[13:49:44] <WickedWicky> wow, lots of cuteys on tv... gotta love F1 @ Italy
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[14:01:56] <emergo> I want to run opensolaris on a new laptop ! any brand better supported than others ? hp ? acer ? toshiba ? Asus ? fujitsu siemes ?
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[14:04:18] <dennis-> hey guys
[14:04:39] <dennis-> anyone knows the current state of the zfs encryption project? from what is seen at the projects homepage, it's stuck
[14:06:07] <boyd> dennis-: from the postings in zfs-code it looks like Darren Moffat is still working on it
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[14:06:57] <boyd> There's also zfs-crypto-discuss, but I'm not subscribed to that
[14:06:57] <dennis-> boyd: but you don't know the current state of the code?
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[14:07:23] <boyd> No more than that, I'm afraid.
[14:07:45] <dennis-> ok, thank you very much for the info!
[14:07:55] <coffman> nice a op
[14:07:59] <coffman> hey asyd
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[14:11:28] <Tempt> MY IPOD DOES NOT WORK ON SOLARIS. WHERE DO I LOG MY PCFS BUG?
[14:12:43] <asyd> hello there
[14:12:56] <PerterB> Tempt: www.apple.com ;)
[14:13:23] <Tempt> heh
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[14:42:01] <JWheeler> is there a SXCE included app to burn mp3s to audio CDs?
[14:42:58] <DoYouKnow> you can extract mp3s from audio CDs, but I'm not sure about the other way around
[14:43:10] <DoYouKnow> probably
[14:43:30] <Gekkko[PDA]> blastwave.
[14:43:38] <seanmcg> lame
[14:43:41] <JWheeler> Gekkko, which app?
[14:43:45] <seanmcg> lame
[14:43:56] <seanmcg> JWheeler, the app is called lame :)
[14:44:21] <JWheeler> I always thought lame was a library
[14:44:24] * JWheeler downloads
[14:45:50] <Gekkko[PDA]> lame is everything :P
[14:47:31] <JWheeler> I see how to convert from mp3 to wav, but from there?
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[14:49:39] <PerterB> then cdrw or cdrecord
[14:50:30] <seanmcg> theres also mpg123 if you don't wanna use lame for the mpg -> wav
[14:51:33] <seanmcg> cdrw makes it easy; cdrw -a <list of .wav files>
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[14:53:31] <JWheeler> hmm, just have to work out how much I can fit per CDs
[14:53:34] <JWheeler> Gui's are nice for that
[14:54:09] <JWheeler> 74/80 mins from memory
[14:54:18] <emergo> torrent client for opensolaris ? azureus cant run though its java ?
[14:54:42] <JWheeler> I use azureus, but it did take some massaging
[14:54:59] <coffman> emergo: azureus is shity eclipse swt bullshit
[14:55:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> JWheeler: how so?
[14:55:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> coffman: rtorrent?
[14:55:19] <seanmcg> azureus needs libswt
[14:55:20] <Gekkko[PDA]> Deluge?
[14:55:22] <JWheeler> I had to grab some swt files and replace them
[14:55:23] <coffman> emergo: opera works
[14:55:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> opera? it fails.
[14:55:45] <coffman> Gekkko[PDA]: there are rtorrent builds around, but the have isues i think
[14:55:53] <coffman> Gekkko[PDA]: it fails?
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[14:56:03] <Gekkko[PDA]> as in, sucks.
[14:56:18] <Gekkko[PDA]> very poor implementation.
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[14:57:29] <Tempt> If you want to see what features Mozilla will have working in five years time, look in Opera today.
[14:58:00] <coffman> opera is greate
[14:58:05] <Tempt> azureus runs for me with no hassles, no hackery except giving it a little more RAM in the start script.
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[15:00:39] <Gekkko[PDA]> and rebooting every 72 hours?
[15:01:06] <emergo> coffman: aah, I didnt think of that :-)
[15:01:19] <anilg> whens the nest developer edition expected?
[15:01:36] <coffman> anilg: go die
[15:01:45] <seanmcg> Gekkko[PDA]: reboot cause of a java app ?  eh ?
[15:01:48] <emergo> JWheeler: so azuerus didnt run out of box, still its java ?
[15:01:55] <anilg> wt*?
[15:02:03] <coffman> anilg: its only 2 releases ago ffs
[15:02:16] <coffman> anilg: and no one gives a shit about sxde
[15:02:42] <JWheeler> I don't know what you mean by 'still it's java', but it's the swt section of azereus that causes the problem, not java itself
[15:03:06] <JWheeler> I found some guide online, which included some working swt files, and I just copied them in to make it work
[15:03:17] <emergo> JWheeler: I remember now
[15:03:33] <emergo> JWheeler: oki, ill go for opera then :-)
[15:04:09] <coffman> emergo: there is some emule client that does torrent
[15:04:14] <coffman> and ctorrent
[15:04:15] <anilg> 2 releases ago? I havnt see any 08/07 or 09/07 .. http://developers.sun.com/sxde/ reports 05/07 as the last one
[15:05:02] <DoYouKnow> is Solaris 11 (OpenSolaris) feature complete at this point?
[15:05:02] <coffman> anilg: sxce is on b72 and the sxde is on b70
[15:05:44] <coffman> anilg: but i dunno if it is out, it should be, but realy, developer edition is useless junk, huge waste of time money and people
[15:06:04] <Gekkko[PDA]> how so?
[15:06:07] <anilg> DoYouKnow: not AFAIK .. i'm thinking complete caiman project into S11 whenever its out
[15:06:30] <anilg> coffman: you're wrong..
[15:07:01] <anilg> they're well tested SXCE if nothing else
[15:07:42] <anilg> DoYouKnow: there hasnt been any feature list out for S11, has it?
[15:08:37] <DoYouKnow> I thought that I saw one recently
[15:08:40] <DoYouKnow> but I'm still looking for it
[15:08:51] <DoYouKnow> they mentioned some improvements to dtrace and zfs
[15:08:55] <DoYouKnow> more integrated
[15:09:00] <DoYouKnow> or something
[15:09:41] <Gekkko[PDA]> ZFS is obselete.
[15:09:58] <Gekkko[PDA]> In 2020.
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[15:12:50] <seanmcg> DoYouKnow: theres a list of some of the projects getting into opensolaris: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on  'Endorsed projects' - this list will probably expand
[15:16:58] <Tempt> Gekkko[PDA]: Rebootuing every 72 hours?
[15:17:23] <Gekkko[PDA]> Azureus the CPU/RAM whore.
[15:17:46] <DoYouKnow> Gekkko: how so? I read recently that it covers disk sizes up to the quantum limit for storage on earth
[15:17:49] <seanmcg> Gekkko[PDA]: still.. why reboot ?  Just close down azureus.
[15:18:05] <Tempt> Gekkko[PDA]: On Windows maybe.
[15:18:05] <DoYouKnow> I mean, I know it will probably be outdated eventually
[15:18:10] <DoYouKnow> but how do you know around 2020?
[15:18:17] <Tempt> Gekkko[PDA]: It sits within the limits you give it on a real OS.
[15:18:33] <Gekkko[PDA]> excellent.
[15:19:07] <Gekkko[PDA]> DoYouKnow: I bullshitted.
[15:19:10] <Tempt> I cranked the RAM up by four times
[15:19:15] <Tempt> chasing a little more caching and performance.
[15:19:19] <DoYouKnow> ok
[15:19:35] <Tempt>  24539 avenger   277M  212M sleep   59    0  21:36:12 0.6% java/93
[15:19:41] <Tempt> actual RSS chew is 212M.
[15:19:52] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: not everyone's workjstation has 256GB of ram.
[15:20:06] <WickedWicky> pebbles sure doesnt
[15:20:09] <WickedWicky> :P
[15:20:11] <Tempt> My workstation only has 2Gb.
[15:21:31] <Gekkko[PDA]> why give Azureus 512mb then?
[15:21:41] <Tempt> Because I run Azureus on my server :)
[15:22:07] <Tempt> Anyway, 212M of RSS is less than some taskbar applets in GNOME
[15:22:26] <Tempt> and unlike most GNOME components, Azureus actually does something useful.
[15:25:16] <Tempt>   1292 jasmine    94M   29M sleep   59    0   0:00:21 0.2% gnome-netstatus/1
[15:25:27] <Tempt> 29M of memory used to flicker fake lights in the corner of a screen
[15:25:48] <Tempt> Man, one used to pack entire operating systems supporting many users into that sort of space.
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[15:27:34] <DoYouKnow> I am still in the dark ages with regards to the policies of big companies (I have little experience with them in recent years). Do you think they would adopt technologies such as opensolaris, or not adopt them out of fear that open source software opens them up to security risks?
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[15:28:14] <Tempt> Most corporate deployments will be running Solaris from Sun, mostly because they'll want commercial support and the better stability.
[15:28:16] <DoYouKnow> the companies I remember that my dad worked for would never have adopted something like that during that time (10 years ago)
[15:28:32] <Tempt> No reason why OpenSolaris couldn't be used for development environments though.
[15:28:46] <tsoome> well as opensolaris is more like test-development and research os, why should some big company use it (in production)?
[15:29:07] <DoYouKnow> oh, I thought opensolaris will become solaris 11
[15:29:51] <Tempt> Not quite that simple.
[15:30:02] <Tempt> Technologies from OpenSolaris will be integrated into Solaris.
[15:30:13] <seanmcg> DoYouKnow: Solaris 11 (if ever named that - undecided) will be based off opensolaris.  opensolaris is the basis for distro's like S11, SXCE, etc
[15:30:24] <Tempt> Think of OpenSolaris as a preview of what's coming up in Solaris.
[15:30:47] <DoYouKnow> that's exactly how I thought of it
[15:31:03] <DoYouKnow> actually, no
[15:31:06] <emergo> but when will "solaris11" come ?
[15:31:13] <DoYouKnow> because I said that they would run opensolaris :/
[15:31:16] <Tempt> So, don't run it in production, use Solaris for that. Do run it on your workstation and dev hosts.
[15:31:31] <Tempt> It might not be Solaris 11. It might be Solaris Vista!
[15:31:44] <WickedWicky> JavaOS 5.11
[15:32:02] <emergo> WickedWicky: is there a plan for when ?
[15:32:14] <WickedWicky> when what?
[15:32:17] <Tempt> Javalaris.
[15:32:41] <emergo> WickedWicky: next official release of solaris are planed ?
[15:32:44] <WickedWicky> dont aks me about planning, I cant even decide what to eat for dinner in 3 hours
[15:32:53] <emergo> nicke
[15:32:56] <emergo> nice
[15:33:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> noodles.
[15:33:03] <Gekkko[PDA]> pasta.
[15:33:04] <WickedWicky> naw
[15:33:09] <Gekkko[PDA]> egg on toast.
[15:33:18] <Tempt> Yes, but tortellini or ravioli? THE DECISIONS!
[15:33:19] <emergo> "smalahove"
[15:33:24] <WickedWicky> I was thinking about making irish stew
[15:33:32] <Gekkko[PDA]> fail.
[15:33:33] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[15:33:50] <Gekkko[PDA]> SunOS X
[15:34:16] <Tempt> We're already at 10.
[15:34:22] <Tempt> SunOS 5.XI?
[15:34:29] <anilg> Solaris Open!
[15:34:38] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: I know
[15:34:43] <anilg> "based on opensolaris"
[15:34:46] <Gekkko[PDA]> was a Mac pun.
[15:34:47] <Tempt> Irish Stew, huh?
[15:34:49] <Tempt> Naaah.
[15:35:01] <Tempt> I'm still waiting for jmcp's cheesecake promises.
[15:35:06] <WickedWicky> yup
[15:36:06] <seanmcg> emergo: this can give you an idea http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt - though this can change at any time
[15:37:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> what does on stand for?
[15:37:12] <Gekkko[PDA]> I cant remember :x
[15:37:26] <seanmcg> Operating system /  Network
[15:37:35] <Tempt> OpenNoodle
[15:37:45] <Gekkko[PDA]> mmm
[15:37:46] <WickedWicky> OpenNachos
[15:37:47] <WickedWicky> Nachos!
[15:37:48] <WickedWicky> fuck yeah!
[15:37:51] <Tempt> Yeah
[15:37:52] <WickedWicky> I am gonna eat nachos!
[15:37:53] <Tempt> Nachos!
[15:37:54] <WickedWicky> with chilli!
[15:37:56] <Tempt> GIMMEH
[15:37:58] <Gekkko[PDA]> yeahh
[15:38:00] <Tempt> jalapeno city
[15:38:03] <Gekkko[PDA]> me too
[15:38:04] <WickedWicky> ohhhhhhhhhh
[15:38:04] <WickedWicky> man!
[15:38:11] <WickedWicky> I live for nachos
[15:38:20] <Tempt> I had tacos earlier, if only I had a big plate of nachos to go with tacos.
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[15:55:57] <jzakhar> Greetings folks, I have really just one question regarding Solaris networking; and here it is
[15:56:16] <jzakhar> Id like to trunk 2 ethernet cards into 1 cisco switch, the cards are a realtek and a 3com
[15:56:30] <jzakhar> is this supported ? the docs I read are really out dated
[15:56:35] <jzakhar> and if not (yeah Q2)
[15:56:59] <jzakhar> is there any other software I can use to trunk 2 cards, or does someone have a suggestion on how I can use both to increase throughput
[15:57:20] <jzakhar> hopefully someone is here ;p
[15:58:17] <PerterB> "dladm create-aggr"
[15:59:14] <jzakhar> I am a linux vet. but a sun newb, mind explaining that command ?
[15:59:40] <jzakhar> please
[15:59:57] <seanmcg> don't think the realtek would work, it may not be a gld3 driver..
[16:00:23] <PerterB> do I look like your manpage bitch? read the docs...
[16:00:58] <jzakhar> bitch? ok ill ignore that.... just seems like aggr references multipath and not a trunk
[16:01:03] <jzakhar> but ill read them
[16:01:06] <jzakhar> bitch
[16:01:45] <seanmcg> dladm is used to manage nics on a opensolaris platform, so it'll also manage 'trunking' - called aggregations in opensolaris speak.  See the manpage for more
[16:02:16] <jzakhar> thank you
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[16:12:37] <jzakhar> shit yeah,the realtek is listed as legacy, so it wont work
[16:12:54] <jzakhar> shit, will quagga install on this ? I can bond there
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[16:16:25] <Tempt> WickedWicky: Nachotime?
[16:19:02] <WickedWicky> not yet
[16:19:12] <WickedWicky> first I want a slice of cheesecake
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[16:22:30] * WickedWicky is listening to Kevin Bloody Wilson - Nigel Krap
[16:22:39] <WickedWicky> Nigeeeeeeeeeeel, fucking legend!
[16:22:54] <BadKarma> heh
[16:22:59] <WickedWicky> rules
[16:23:14] <WickedWicky> his christmast songs are always played by me at home and in the office ;P
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[17:11:23] <blablabla> Please help me: http://tinyurl.com/2yu2te
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[17:23:30] <DoYouKnow> lol
[17:23:39] <DoYouKnow> I thought it was going to be some kind of debug output
[17:24:04] <DoYouKnow> I don't know what actually appeared since I x'd out of it
[17:24:05] * quasi guesses spam or scam
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[18:18:14] <nachox> morning
[18:19:16] <quasi> evening
[18:22:43] <DoYouKnow> evening
[18:22:56] <DoYouKnow> anyone know of any X servers that are good for serving applications?
[18:22:58] <tek-ops> afternoon
[18:23:01] <DoYouKnow> like citrix for linux
[18:23:13] <DoYouKnow> or opensolaris
[18:23:19] <DoYouKnow> well, I mean opensolaris
[18:24:08] <DoYouKnow> Are any application server features planned for opensolaris?
[18:24:20] <quasi> SGD
[18:24:57] <g4lt-sb100> SSRS
[18:25:01] <Tempt> Yes, SSGD
[18:25:19] <Tempt> And it isn't "planned", it has been a product for years.
[18:25:20] <madhatter> Hi. Can somebody help me with my Sata controller issue, please? I am still trying to figure if it is supported or not. I now used 'prtconf -pv' and found a RAID controller.
[18:25:32] <theRealballchalk> hi
[18:25:42] <Tempt> and if you like Citrix, you can use Citrix on Solaris, too.
[18:25:53] <Tempt> I've worked on hosts publishing applications using Citrix.
[18:25:57] <Tempt> (metaframe)
[18:26:07] <Tempt> Works very nicely - I was quite impressed by how smoothly Citrix works.
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[18:27:56] <badcoder> madhatter hcl bigadmin?
[18:28:29] <madhatter> badcoder: Been there, does not match exactly my controller, because it's onboard
[18:28:38] <madhatter> badcoder: But it's the same chipset
[18:29:07] <madhatter> badcoder: Right now, I try to compare this output (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/prtconf/801.txt) with mine
[18:29:37] <DoYouKnow> if I wanted to do an application server for free, would linux be my only option?
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[18:30:10] <badcoder> have you tried aliasing with one in the compatible line ?
[18:30:41] <badcoder> DoYouKnow  what appserver ?
[18:30:47] <DoYouKnow> any
[18:30:56] <madhatter> badcoder: What do you mean by that?
[18:31:11] <DoYouKnow> looking for a way to do this for no cost
[18:31:38] <badcoder> add_drv -i '"sdfsf?"' ?
[18:32:47] <madhatter> badcoder: Can you give me a bit more details on what that will do?
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[18:34:48] <DoYouKnow> badcoder: is it legal to give XDMCP connections out to random people on the internet to an OpenSolaris machine?
[18:34:57] <badcoder> man add_drv  line 181
[18:35:26] <madhatter> badcoder: Yes, but I have no idea what driver I have to choose
[18:36:06] <Tempt> DoYouKnow: Yes, it is.
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[18:36:24] <Tempt> DoYouKnow: You might have some problems if you do though.
[18:36:36] <Tempt> I'd hate to think how much hell would descend upon an open XDMCP
[18:36:53] <badcoder> madhatter look the compatible line for your device
[18:37:11] <Tempt> And Citrix isn't exactly a no-cost option, since you mentioned it. Plenty of keygens around though, I'm sure.
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[18:38:30] <madhatter> badcoder: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/801.html
[18:39:10] <madhatter> badcoder: There is only 'ata&pci-ide' mentioned. That does not look like a real drivver name to me
[18:39:28] <DoYouKnow> Tempt: I am pretty sure there is a way to do it though. I will look more into this "zones" feature
[18:39:45] <DoYouKnow> maybe I can lock it down by requiring some apps to run in a virtual machien
[18:39:48] <DoYouKnow> *machine
[18:40:46] <Tempt> Well, I know I wouldn't be opening XDMCP to the world.
[18:41:12] <Tempt> Then again, I don't hand out shell accounts willy-nilly either.
[18:41:53] <Tempt> Running things in a zone means only that zone will be impacted, but you probably don't want that amount of trouble.
[18:41:59] <badcoder> madhatter PCI: 1095,3112.9005.250.2 - Silicon Image 3112 SATA Controller this is card ?
[18:42:02] <Tempt> Besides, raw X? The bandwidth use could be horrific.
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[18:43:09] <Stric> madhatter: ata & pci-ide are the names of the generic drivers which can work with that card for instance
[18:44:03] <Stric> madhatter: although if is listed as RAID controller and not Mass storage, then it's in the wrong operating mode and needs some trickery
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[18:46:30] <madhatter> badcoder: It's not exactly that card, but an onboard sil3112 chip
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[18:46:59] <madhatter> Stric: What kind of trickery might that be?
[18:47:22] <madhatter> Stric: As long as there are no disks attached I am not able to access the controller's RAID menu
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[19:02:05] <Stric> madhatter: if you can turn off the raid functionality in the controller bios, then you should be set
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[19:04:47] <madhatter> Stric: Problem is, that I don't know that, because there is no manual about the controller with the mainboard. Only about the general bios. :(
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[19:14:33] <quasi> madhatter: doesn't it give you a config menu for the controller when you boot?
[19:14:53] <quasi> madhatter: iirc my 3112 did when I last had drives on it
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[19:17:29] <madhatter> quasi: There is a config menu for the controller, but it only appears and tells me to press F4 to enter. When I press F4 it tells me that I can't access the menu because there are no drives attached.
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[19:18:32] <quasi> madhatter: so, nothing to worry about is there?
[19:18:41] <quasi> till you add some drives that is
[19:18:43] <madhatter> quasi: I probably will have to order a harddisk later today and just give it a try. If it does not work, I found a pci controller by Promise for small money that shall do the job then: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p98084?pid=idealo
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[19:20:58] <quasi> madhatter: have you tried the device check tool?
[19:22:38] <madhatter> quasi: Yes, that tells me exactly the chip sil3112, but also tells me that there is no driver support. But on the other hand, as long as there is RAID activated for that controller
[19:27:02] <quasi> madhatter: oh well, no way around just trying it ;)
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[19:30:56] <madhatter> quasi: Buhu, I was afraid of that answer ;)
[19:31:55] <quasi> madhatter: I do have an onboard 3112 that doesn't work on snv_56 - not sure when I'll find the time to attempt an upgrade
[19:33:55] <madhatter> quasi: Okay, that does not sound too much hopeful... even though I have snv_70 here
[19:34:21] <madhatter> quasi: What motherboard is that 3112 on?
[19:35:33] <quasi> madhatter: http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/03/22/T22_32_20/index.html
[19:35:34] <Fish> good bye
[19:35:44] <quasi> madhatter: it has an nv raid as well
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[19:37:20] <madhatter> quasi: Seems to be a newer board then
[19:37:45] <quasi> madhatter: yours or mine?
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[19:38:35] <madhatter> quasi: Yours. Mine is a a7n8x-e deluxe
[19:39:36] <quasi> madhatter: well, most likely it is the same 3112, which I think should be ok today, but won't know for sure
[19:42:00] <madhatter> quasi: Are ther still changes made for that support?
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[19:47:33] <quasi> madhatter: I seem to recall seeing something flying by in the changelog, but I haven't bothered to investigate
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[19:50:01] <madhatter> quasi: Hehe, okay. I will just give it a try: order a Maxtor disk tonight and it will hopefully arrive in two days...
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[19:55:45] <madhatter> Just noticed the message 'RPC: Program not registered' on shutdown. Google tells me it's something about NFS?! I don't have any NFS mounts here...
[19:56:27] <nachox> other stuff uses rpc
[19:56:33] <nachox> try rpcinfo
[19:57:45] <madhatter> nachox: Thanks, just found a hint about a bug in shutdown via Google.
[19:58:08] <madhatter> nachox: /usr/ucb/shutdown shall be a good alternative
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[20:05:07] <flyingparchment> madhatter: it's not really a bug, you can ignore that message, it causes no problem
[20:05:45] <nachox> a race condition?
[20:06:37] <flyingparchment> iirc, it's caused by shutdown trying to get a list of NFS clients of this system, so it can send a message to those hosts about the shutdown
[20:07:19] <madhatter> flyingparchment: Okay, I will do that then
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[20:31:32] <tomww> DoYouKnow: #define "application server features"
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[20:54:59] <turnip> i've got a solaris 10 server here, with 2 NIC's that are listed as legacy for the drivers... dladm and the other trunk setup dont work
[20:55:14] <turnip> is there a alternative etherchannel setup, that supports legacy
[20:55:32] <turnip> in linux I could use quagga and bond them inside there since its a cloned cisco ios
[20:56:14] <turnip> even if someone says you're fucked.. that is fine hehe silence sucks tho (assuming someone is here)
[20:57:32] <badcoder> turnip yep silence sucks ,but also means your fucked or nobody at the moment  can help you
[20:58:35] <turnip> yeah i figured
[20:59:01] <turnip> in the 2 years ive worked for this comp, ive never been able to bring down the db server
[20:59:15] <turnip> i dunno how i am gonna get 2 new nics in there
[20:59:19] <badcoder> anyone has build nevada on nexenta ?
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[21:00:22] <turnip> this isnt opensolaris... its solaris 10.. what are the odds of the drivers being updated to non legacy ?
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[21:04:52] <jamesd> turnip, is it a midrange or larger box... it may be possible...  midrange being  e3500 or larger
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[21:11:49] <turnip> <jamesd> it is a x86 server we bought from Dell
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[21:11:55] <turnip> a non-sun server
[21:12:08] <Fish> hello
[21:12:16] <turnip> I just installed the realtek driver from realtek.com
[21:12:20] <turnip> no dice
[21:12:25] <turnip> still legacy mode
[21:13:12] <turnip> this sucks, im sure many know the boss doesnt care weather i say (cant be done with our current hardware
[21:13:26] <turnip> i need to find a solution with our existing hardware
[21:13:32] <turnip> well if possible
[21:13:49] <turnip> heya fish
[21:14:54] <turnip> oh I didnt answer, its a Dell pbox
[21:14:56] <turnip> box
[21:15:22] <turnip> higher end, not sun hardware tho
[21:15:25] <sfire||mouse> turnip: tell him, if you don't want downtime, have him buy a loadbalancer
[21:15:38] <sfire||mouse> and have that do the ip stuff
[21:15:55] <turnip> man I agree, but those are not cheap
[21:16:15] <turnip> plus its a lot of internal traffic, which a LB wont help with
[21:16:25] <turnip> you can only access this server via VPN
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[21:17:07] <turnip> i am just in a <rock>me<hardplace> and need to come up with a solution, if its out there
[21:17:30] <turnip> has anyone installed zebra/quagga on solaris ?
[21:18:50] <palowoda> Sure it's part of opensolaris.
[21:19:12] <flyingparchment> quagga doesn't do trunking, the kernel needs to support it
[21:19:20] <turnip> oh
[21:19:38] <flyingparchment> it's not really a "cloned IOS", it looks a bit like IOS but it still relies on the kernel for most things.
[21:19:45] <flyingparchment> mostly it's just an implementation of various routing protocols
[21:20:00] <turnip> I was "assuming" it had full IOS functions
[21:20:17] <turnip> yeah I know, but 90% of the commands are bit from IOS
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[21:25:50] <turnip> it sounds like im f'd in the a
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[22:45:33] <turnip> okay, so is their an interface that does not use legacy drivers  ? I mean external of a sun MB
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[22:47:21] <turnip> Rebooted teh server (ill deal with that later) tried 3 NICS all use legacy
[22:48:18] <jamesd> for dladm you probably need a newer sun support gigabit or  qfe or maybe a sun hme may be supported.
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[22:53:20] <turnip> and there is no alternative for etherchannel ?
[22:54:05] <cmihai> Sure there is ;-)
[22:54:18] <turnip> oh lol god please share
[22:54:31] <cmihai> You can use Link aggregation in Solaris 10
[22:54:39] <cmihai> dladm create-aggr
[22:54:46] <cmihai> same thing basically, without paying for Cizcoeeee
[22:55:09] <turnip> hehe, the 5 cards I just tried use legacy drivers, which dont support etherchannel under dladm
[22:55:23] <cmihai> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/6maoq01nl?a=view
[22:55:30] <cmihai> Oh, cards not supported?
[22:55:50] <turnip> well they work, but they use legacy drivers dladm show-link
[22:55:53] <cmihai> Not much you can do then..  you could buy some nice bge cards.. you can get them for like 10$ each
[22:56:09] <turnip> are they supported under x86 solariS ?
[22:56:22] <cmihai> bge? Yeah
[22:56:31] <turnip> right on
[22:56:31] <cmihai> That's what I use for aggr
[22:56:35] <flyingparchment> e1000g works too i think?
[22:56:38] <flyingparchment> (Intel PRO/1000)
[22:56:55] <turnip> 2 days, all weekedn , im supposed to have this done by tomorrow
[22:56:56] <turnip> god
[22:57:11] <turnip> what a waste
[22:57:49] <cmihai> Yeah, Intel works too.
[22:58:45] <cmihai> My system had 2 onboard bge's, would have been a shame to let them go to waste ;-)
[23:00:30] <turnip> i have a built in nvidia interface
[23:00:38] <turnip> no dice, nfo is not supported
[23:00:43] <turnip> then 2 realtek's
[23:00:46] <turnip> also not supported
[23:01:03] <cmihai> Ugh
[23:01:11] <turnip> 3com 3c05b
[23:01:12] <cmihai> Better that way, trust me, rl is crap
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[23:01:35] <boyd> I thought the nge driver worked on nvidia. Maybe only some.
[23:01:47] <cmihai> e1000g, bge, nge - supported. Anything else - no ide
[23:01:52] <cmihai> idea
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[23:04:36] <turnip> nfo0: nVIDIA nForce nic driver v1.1.2: type "ether" mac address 00:11:09:d9:89:25
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[23:05:40] <quasi> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/driverlist.html has a list
[23:08:05] <turnip> yeah that is just the HCL; not weather the driver loads as legacy
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[23:08:17] <turnip> the nfo works, but because its legacy no trunking
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[23:12:59] <quasi> right, trunking is very limited in choice of cards
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[23:20:19] <turnip> so I am seeing
[23:20:21] <turnip> it sucks
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[23:35:38] <turnip> and there is no way to use etherchannel other then via dladm ?
[23:35:45] <turnip> or nettt
[23:36:37] <jamesd> sun trunking software but it has even more limited list of supported cards.
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[23:47:25] <turnip> yep
[23:47:26] <turnip> okay
[23:47:29] <turnip> lovely
[23:47:59] <turnip> does ip install ? ip link list etc... cant recall the package name
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