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[00:44:21] <jinx099> How do I get sound working on an Audigy2?
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[02:21:43] <jbk> hello
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[03:05:24] <unixware> hi dudes
[03:05:37] <jamesd> hi
[03:05:59] <unixware> :)
[03:07:25] <unixware> is posible to manage vps on opensolaris?
[03:09:21] <unixware> how can i take bevinbot to a chenael? :P
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[03:36:42] <oninoshiko> o.0?
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[06:07:18] <Sup3rkiddo> heya, my current build is nevada 57, theres no way to upgrade it to the latest one except by using the dvd or cd? am i right...i dont have the bandwidth to download the dvd, nor do i have a dvd writer..can anyone clear this doubt
[06:08:24] <Sup3rkiddo> or in other words, is there a way by which i can upgrade the entire system through the internet, like in linux world with an apt-get dist-upgrade or emerge -uDNv world
[06:10:40] <Auralis> no
[06:11:42] <Sup3rkiddo> Auralis: oh so i gotta download the latest isos then..oh boy....
[06:14:00] <Auralis> yes and then look into life update you don't have to burn a dvd
[06:16:18] <Sup3rkiddo> right thanks a lot
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[08:16:20] <Teknomancer> why is there no wvdial for solaris??? How can I use my USB wireless modem then, ?  or is it not possible at all to use it?
[08:17:11] <Teknomancer> cat /dev/usb/5c6.3196/0/if1in10 | pppd call [your_isp] >  /dev/usb/5c6.3196/0/if1out11  hmmm
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[09:25:13] <g4lt-sb100> who the fucks idea was it to replace sdtpdasync with the fucktarded gnome-pilot-manager
[09:25:24] <Doc> mine!  wanna fight about it?
[09:26:35] <g4lt-sb100> yeah, did you lose what was allegedly your mind?
[09:27:13] <Tempt> But GNOME is the CORRECT solution for EVERYTHING
[09:27:20] <g4lt-sb100> the installer conduit is braindead, the restor conduit fails to restore the calendar and the contacts list
[09:27:29] <Tempt> heh.
[09:27:59] * delewis loves Gnome
[09:28:26] <delewis> applets that eat through your CPU time *and* memory are a god-send.
[09:28:40] <libkeiser> hell yeah. i love it when my sunray server takes nearly 1GB/user
[09:28:50] <delewis> I was getting to depressed by seeing my system had 1.5GB (out of 2GB) of free memory.
[09:28:56] <delewis> I'm so glad someone came along and put my system to use!
[09:29:06] <libkeiser> memory is cheap. fuck it!
[09:29:47] <Tempt> That's right.
[09:30:00] <Tempt> Why else would people keep those RAM manufacturers in profit?
[09:30:11] <Tempt> As RAM gets cheaper we need bigger apps so we can spend the same amount of moolah.
[09:30:25] <quasi> ram is very, very cheap these days
[09:30:26] <delewis> it's a conspiracy is what it is.
[09:30:33] <delewis> no doubt started by Bush and The Pony.
[09:31:12] <Tempt> I feel sorry for people with PCs
[09:31:14] <delewis> quasi: bullshit. Memory prices have stayed the same. It's no longer about memory density, but speed.
[09:31:15] <g4lt-sb100> you know, my big thing is sdtpdasync worked, gnome-pilot-mangler doesn't
[09:31:20] <Tempt> Most of them can only take 4Gb of RAM
[09:31:45] <delewis> poor bastards.
[09:32:25] <quasi> delewis: I've seen fairly large drops in memory prices between my last two boxes
[09:32:32] <delewis> I would say the Ultra 80 only supports 4GB of memory, but it's CPUs would be eaten alive by syscalls from Gnome applets way before memory.
[09:32:39] <libkeiser> i can def agree on the speed issue. i recently purchased 16gb of exx00 ram for ~100 and 8gb of pc2700 for ~260
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[09:44:02] <lloy0076> Is anyone around who understands kernel dumps/cores and crashes?
[09:44:05] <lloy0076> I have: http://www.adam.com.au/lloy0076/crash-log2.log
[09:44:20] <lloy0076> This:
[09:44:23] <lloy0076> panic[cpu2]/thread=ffffff0007f84c80:  BAD TRAP: type=e (#pf Page fault) rp=ffffff0007f843a0 addr=0 occurred in module  "conskbd" due to a NULL pointer dereference
[09:44:30] <lloy0076> ... appears to be the crux but I'm not sure what to do now.
[09:45:03] <lloy0076> It's happened before and I think it's an interaction between control, the windows key, shift and the keys asdfgzxcv
[09:45:18] <lloy0076> At least, that seems to trigger it.
[09:47:00] <quasi> ms keyboard... try using one from a friendlier supplier ;)
[09:47:49] <Doc> i can officially say that something is broken
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[09:48:15] <Doc> nfi what tho :)
[09:52:44] <LeftWing> g4lt-sb100: What build are you running where sdtpdasync is gone?
[09:53:22] <g4lt-sb100> LeftWing, it's there, gnomegnuts-pilot-mangler just takes over so hard that I can't get to sdtpdasync
[09:53:27] <lloy0076> quasi: Do you serously think it's the keyboard that's sending it out? I doubt it.
[09:53:32] <LeftWing> g4lt-sb100: Arr, goodo.
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[09:54:16] <LeftWing> g4lt-sb100: I haven't really played with the gnome pilot GUI (Ugh.), but the underlying pilot-link stuff is really solid.
[09:57:57] <g4lt-sb100> right, I've used pilot-link and I'm reasonably cognizant of it.  unfortunately, gnome-pilot-mangler isn't
[09:58:11] <LeftWing> Mmm.
[09:59:55] <g4lt-sb100> and now, because I trusted the braindead backup, I have to rebuild every fucking database on my pdaphone
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[10:24:27] <quasi> lloy0076: well, given that it happens on specific key combos and is in conskbd there's likely to be some sort of connection
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[10:29:43] <Fish> hello
[10:34:55] <Pietro_S> hmm, any autotool guru aound? I thought that configure --oldincludedir is to specify when include files should be searched before system's paths, but it's not
[10:36:18] <WickedWicky> I think that's depricated
[10:37:26] <WickedWicky> at least that's what I have to use when I want to specify include files when I am cross compiling
[10:38:02] <Pietro_S> will try, thanks for hint
[10:40:48] <Pietro_S> hmm, that doesn't work because I have there only few libraries which are compiled with gcc (/usr/gnu/), I don't have there full include list ...
[10:43:46] <Pietro_S> so now, I'm using workaround - -I /usr/gnu/include/sigc++-2.0 -I -/usr/gnu/sigc++-2.0 (the second one is added by configure scrip, but gcc use the first argument ;-)
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[11:10:50] <WickedWicky> actually Pietro_S , you game me a great idea which will safe me from a lot of missery
[11:14:03] <Pietro_S> WickedWicky: which one?
[11:14:30] <WickedWicky> building a gcc-cross compiler on my opensolaris box instead of compiling crap on my ss20
[11:15:38] <Gekkko> suprise suprise, dreamhost is down again
[11:15:38] <Gekkko> lol
[11:16:19] <Pietro_S> WickedWicky: I would call it needing ;-)
[11:17:07] <WickedWicky> yea.. but it sounds less dramatic the way I put it ;P
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[11:40:12] <Pietro_S> when will sxce71 be released? I thought that it should be 2 days ago ... I don't need exact date, just rough aprox...
[11:41:09] <Triskelios> maybe they'll skip that, since snv_72 is already distributed internally
[11:49:56] <Gekkko> why internally
[11:50:01] <Gekkko> that's not very open-sourcey.
[11:50:02] <quasi> Pietro_S: usually hits fridays
[11:52:25] <Pietro_S> if it will have same delay as sxce70, 73 will be nice gift for Christmas ;-)
[11:52:27] <Gekkko> what's a good alternative to VMWare ESX 3.0?
[11:52:49] <quasi> Gekkko: solaris10 and zones
[11:53:48] <quasi> possibly sun cluster3.2 on there as well
[11:54:11] <Triskelios> Pietro_S: it'll make more sense to push 72 or 73 out at this point, in particular with the several important bug fixes
[11:55:27] <Gekkko> I <3 Wikipedia
[12:00:51] <Gekkko> quasi: can you run another operating system in a solaris zone?
[12:00:58] <jmcp> no
[12:01:18] <Gekkko> then it's not an alternative to ESX now is it?
[12:01:19] <Gekkko> :P
[12:01:35] <jmcp> Gekkko: that really depends on what you think you need, and what you actually need
[12:01:53] <Gekkko> I actually need to run multiple operating systems at the same time
[12:01:56] <Gekkko> eg a hypervisor.
[12:02:31] <jmcp> so it would appear - initially at least - that Xen3 and VMWare ESX are your two options if you want to run x86/x64-based OSes on the same hardware at the same time
[12:03:05] <Gekkko> yeah, but I was wondering if there was any other alternative I hadn't heard of
[12:03:16] <jmcp> not as far as I am aware
[12:05:04] <Gekkko> I can't work out which works faster: ESX or Xen?
[12:05:13] <Gekkko> everything that tries to explain it seems poorly worded to me.
[12:05:20] <jmcp> I have no idea whatsoever
[12:05:27] <jmcp> not having used either
[12:05:44] <Gekkko> I don't even know how useful it would be to run two OS's in Xen anywho
[12:05:53] <Gekkko> wonder how the performance would slash.
[12:06:25] <Gekkko> if I could specify exactly which RAM DIMM they could use... I could have one VM running at 533mhz and one at 400mhz
[12:06:34] <Gekkko> RAM mhz.
[12:07:12] <jmcp> Gekkko: if you think that specifying a specific dimm is going to help you, I suggest that you've got nfi about how kernels work... and should stay well away
[12:07:31] <Gekkko> No, I know that I can't
[12:07:34] <Gekkko> I said "If I could."
[12:07:37] <Gekkko> as in "I wish."
[12:08:02] <jmcp> i know, and the very fact that it entered your head has me worried
[12:08:09] <Gekkko> lol.
[12:08:35] <Gekkko> I'm worried that your worried.
[12:08:42] <kjetilho> Gekkko: which OS do you need to run?
[12:08:59] <Gekkko> Linux and Windows.
[12:09:19] <kjetilho> ah, Windows is a problem of course.
[12:09:26] <Gekkko> it runs fine in Xen
[12:09:38] <kjetilho> yeah, as long as you don't need performance
[12:09:45] <Gekkko> "Xen may also be used on personal computers that run Linux but also have Windows installed. Traditionally, such systems are used in a dual boot setup, but with Xen it is possible to start Windows "in a window" from within Linux, effectively running applications from both systems at the same time."
[12:09:59] <Gekkko> If you're looking for performance, why use a software VM?
[12:10:30] <kjetilho> Zones (or OpenVZ) doesn't incur much performance penalty, 1-3%
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[12:10:54] <Gekkko> Zones can't run an OS.
[12:11:02] <kjetilho> depends on what you call an OS
[12:11:15] <kjetilho> you can run SuSE and RHEL and Solaris together on the same kernel
[12:11:26] <Gekkko> i was about to say userspace + kernel
[12:11:46] <Gekkko> You can't run Windows XP on the Solaris kernel
[12:12:11] <Gekkko> with*
[12:12:22] <kjetilho> of course, but it's not a common requirement, I think
[12:12:31] <kjetilho> which was why I asked to clarify if you could do it
[12:12:50] <Gekkko> can you run a Linux kernel in a zone?
[12:12:57] <kjetilho> no
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[12:13:24] <jmcp> Gekkko: so what exactly do you want to do?
[12:13:38] <kjetilho> who cares about the kernel if you can run the apps?
[12:13:45] <boyd> jmcp: Hey, congrats
[12:13:46] <jmcp> is there some linux-only app which you have to run which requires a kernel > 2.4.x and/or special device drivers?
[12:13:56] <Gekkko> no, I need to test a Linux distribution
[12:14:05] <jmcp> boyd: thankyou :)
[12:14:19] <Gekkko> I know I can run it ontop of an OS in VMWare Player or qemu
[12:14:22] <Gekkko> but I don't want to.
[12:14:34] <boyd> jmcp: When is your nick changing back? :)
[12:14:41] <Triskelios> Gekkko: there are several Linux distributions known to work in zones
[12:14:49] <jmcp> boyd: which nick?
[12:14:57] <Triskelios> Gekkko: check if yours is one of them?
[12:15:07] <Gekkko> if I was testing it do you think it is?
[12:15:14] <Gekkko> "testing" not "trying"
[12:15:21] <boyd> jmcpatsun
[12:15:25] <jmcp> oh, that
[12:15:30] <jmcp> that was an AIM thing
[12:15:33] <jmcp> still active :)
[12:15:39] <boyd> Oh, I only saw it here
[12:15:47] <jmcp> ah
[12:15:51] <jmcp> I think I gave up on that ages agi
[12:15:54] <jmcp> ago
[12:16:15] <Triskelios> Gekkko: the difference is not clear
[12:27:00] <madhatter> re
[12:27:36] <FBdev> hi everybody
[12:27:48] <FBdev> I get a WARNING: IP: Hardware address '00:03:ba:41:XX:XX' trying to be our address 192.168.001.111!
[12:28:11] <Triskelios> FBdev: IP address conflict, find the other device on your network and disconnect it
[12:28:18] <FBdev> on an aggr interface ... like 30 lines every minute ...
[12:28:42] <madhatter> Can somebody give me hint where the wifi configuration is stored? I found a tool that permanently added my config, so that ath driver is loaded at startup and wificonfig seems to connect to the network, but I have to disconnect and reconnect manually before it works
[12:28:55] <FBdev> Triskelios it conflicts with itself : )
[12:31:06] <Triskelios> FBdev: strange, is that MAC of the aggr components? they should not be plumbed, I think
[12:31:43] <FBdev> Triskelios is one of the 3 interfaces that are aggr'ated
[12:34:15] <Triskelios> FBdev: unplumb the component interfaces, if they show ifconfig -a
[12:34:25] <Triskelios> er, show up in ifconfig -a
[12:36:07] <FBdev> Triskelios actually they do not .....  I think i've found it ... it's more of a cisco config problem ... there's a need to create port-channel ... cheers for your time anyway
[12:37:15] <Triskelios> oh, yeah, if your switch isn't aware of the aggregation it would not like having the same MAC on two ports...
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[12:43:10] <WickedWicky> heya
[12:44:45] <dlg> sup
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[12:50:14] <madhatter> Hm, lots of how-to about initial setup for ath driver and wificonfig. But where is the script that does that at boot time?
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[12:52:06] <Triskelios> madhatter: svcadm disable network/physical:default && svcadm enable nwam
[12:52:22] <Triskelios> madhatter: wificonfig is also deprecated, use dladm
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[13:12:42] <madhatter> Triskelios: I did not find dladm in the wifi section at opensolaris.org. Thanks.
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[13:17:12] <andyshack> hello :) anyone know if i can use the 9 pin serial port on the back of a v240 to console in or may i only use the rj45 connector ?
[13:20:20] <PerterB> in theory you could change the console device to ttyb, wouldn't recommend it though
[13:21:35] <jamesd> v240 install guide http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/pdf/819-4209-10.pdf
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[13:22:40] <andyshack> thanks james.
[13:22:48] <jamesd> all v240 docs   http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/Servers/Workgroup_Servers/Sun_Fire_V240/index.html
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[13:23:24] <Triskelios> madhatter: are you using Solaris 10 or SX?
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[13:24:50] <Toth_> Hi! Somebody can help me? (I try install sol 10 from linux boot server)
[13:28:09] <madhatter> Triskelios: sx
[13:28:20] <Triskelios> madhatter: you do not need to download anything
[13:28:57] <Triskelios> madhatter: in fact, you shouldn't, as the stuff on opensolaris.org wireless is out of date
[13:29:11] <madhatter> Triskelios: I got that feeling yesterday already. Got notices that it already was available.
[13:29:44] <madhatter> Triskelios: OIC. But there should be a note for that on the site
[13:30:49] <Triskelios> madhatter: actually I'm wrong, ath is still being updated there
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[13:31:15] <JWheeler> I know we all love and cherish libtool, but bear with me for a moment, are the .la files in /usr/local/lib or /opt/csw/lib/ meant to be there as part of a package, for use by future programs?
[13:31:20] <madhatter> Triskelios: Okay, then I only got an old version of wificonfig onto the system.
[13:31:37] <JWheeler> It seems that on some systems I'm missing a .la for libjpeg, and others it's sitting there just fine
[13:31:50] <Triskelios> madhatter: dladm's wireless capabilities replace wificonfig
[13:32:53] <Triskelios> JWheeler: the normal package does not have the .la, nor is it needed
[13:32:58] <madhatter> Triskelios: Then I will try that instead. But I have to figure out where that config file for the gui tool is I used to start wifi connection on startup
[13:33:43] <Triskelios> madhatter: nwam uses /etc/nwam/*
[13:33:59] <Triskelios> madhatter: on first login after boot it will prompt for a wireless network
[13:34:13] <Triskelios> make sure you remove the inetmenu stuff if you used that previously
[13:35:11] <JWheeler> thanks Triskelios, at least I have a baseline to work with now! Ok, so I have my package (amarok) failing to build because it's expecting /opt/csw/lib/libjpeg.la to exist. When are these .la files created?
[13:35:19] <madhatter> Triskelios: I am not sure what was the name of it. But I will take a look. So nwam uses dladm?
[13:35:39] <Triskelios> eeek, blastwave
[13:36:23] <Triskelios> madhatter: nwam uses the same library backend as dladm directly. it is not a script
[13:36:50] <madhatter> Triskelios: Ah, okay. Thank you.
[13:36:51] <Triskelios> JWheeler: um, blastwave is a bit complicated...
[13:37:39] <JWheeler> Normally, as a blastwave developer I'd be happy to defend it, but do we really need to do that dance? I'm interested in learning my way out of the problem, more so then the merits of blastwave
[13:38:46] <Triskelios> JWheeler: might be a bad .la file from another package referring to libjpeg.la even though it's no longer shipped by the blastwave package
[13:39:30] <JWheeler> In the case of CSWjpeg, I see that the .la file isn't in the prototype (rightly so from what you're saying), so where would this new program be picking it up from, I wonder
[13:40:05] <madhatter> Triskelios: Do you know better alternatives to blastwave for some prebuild packages like mutt and stuff?
[13:40:19] <JWheeler> perhaps do a find /opt/csw/lib -name *.la ?
[13:40:43] <JWheeler> madhatter, sfw is the only other major player that I'm aware of for prebuilt stuff
[13:40:57] <Triskelios> JWheeler: grep libjpeg.la /opt/csw/lib/lib*.la
[13:41:11] <Triskelios> I'm using SFE which doesn't have prebuilt packages, unfortunately
[13:42:13] <madhatter> JWheeler: Aha, okay
[13:43:01] <JWheeler> Triskelios, Right, so I appear to have a bunch of (.la) files in there. Should they not be there at all, or should they be there, but just not referenced by any packages?
[13:44:21] <Triskelios> JWheeler: I'm not sure what blastwave's policy is on *.la files, but it's probably a bug if one package used to supply one and doesn't anymore, while other packages still refer to it
[13:46:05] <JWheeler> I'll look into the policy. So from a libtool standpoint, you either have these .la files available for it to reference at compile time, or they're not there at all by policy, in which case, what does it do?
[13:47:30] <Triskelios> JWheeler: it should fall back to just using -llibrary
[13:47:58] <JWheeler> Ok, let me dig some more
[13:48:05] <JWheeler> thanks for all the info!
[13:48:25] <Triskelios> sure
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[14:18:49] <jelari> HI all, i have some question regarding exception. It is said that, when the exception is raised, processor does not use 'Interrupt Acknowledge Bus Cycle", ?. Then, how does the process come to know about the exception number?
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[14:22:53] <GarulfoUnix> hello everybody!
[14:23:27] <GarulfoUnix> i would like to have some notes of you about Nexanta OS.
[14:23:59] <GarulfoUnix> Is it a good distribution for OpenSolaris ?
[14:24:41] <Triskelios> it generally works okay, not sure if it's still maintained, though
[14:27:33] <GarulfoUnix> ok and what is the major difference between Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris excepted it is free as in freedom?
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[14:28:54] <andyshack> freedom as in freedom fries ?
[14:38:46] <Tempt> Aaha, the last linux machine in my house just had UFS filesystems created over it ...
[14:39:37] <Triskelios> GarulfoUnix: it's also where the development bits go, and as you know there is more than one distro...
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[14:40:42] <GarulfoUnix> hum ok. So, to compare this, it's as SUSE Linux and OpenSUSE project, isn't it ?
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[14:41:57] <Triskelios> sort of, yeah
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[14:43:06] <GarulfoUnix> ok thanks for your answers :)
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[14:53:09] <kaiwai> hi :)
[14:53:17] <kaiwai> I noticed a bit of a show-stopper bug
[14:53:49] <kaiwai> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b72/
[14:53:55] <kaiwai> the cd drive suddenly disappears
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[14:54:09] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol!
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[14:59:04] <kaiwai> well, that was bloody helpful Gekkko[PDA]
[14:59:53] <Gekkko[PDA]> yer.
[14:59:55] <Triskelios> which driver, cmdk?
[15:00:02] <Gekkko[PDA]> morale support.
[15:00:13] <Tempt> Hmm, b72 released? Someone should update the topic
[15:00:29] <kaiwai> Tempt: well, its broken, hence my 'heads up'
[15:00:31] <Triskelios> err, s/cmdk/ata/g
[15:00:42] <Triskelios> Tempt: I think someone mentioned that yesterday...
[15:01:04] <Tempt> jamesd: You've got the +o, care to fix the topic?
[15:01:35] <kaiwai> Triskelios: its an ata dvd drive
[15:02:17] <kaiwai> it should be c0 etc etc
[15:02:20] <Triskelios> kaiwai: when does the drive disappear? are there any messages?
[15:02:32] <kaiwai> it disappeared after I installed B72
[15:02:40] <kaiwai> no messages that I see
[15:02:50] <kaiwai> the node isn't listed in /dev/dsk
[15:02:51] <Triskelios> does prtconf -D show the device?
[15:03:17] <Triskelios> should be an "sd" child of "ata"
[15:04:28] <kaiwai> yeap, there are two instances of ide (driver name: ata)
[15:05:01] <Triskelios> it should have a subsection though
[15:05:44] <Triskelios> ide, instance #0 (driver name: ata) ->    sd, instance #0 (driver name: sd)
[15:06:24] <kaiwai> Triskelios: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/678852
[15:06:26] <kaiwai> thats the output
[15:07:12] <Triskelios> funny how that's labelled "gisburn's pastebin"
[15:07:35] <Triskelios> kaiwai: ooh, you've got a SATA drive using the new ahci driver?
[15:07:52] <kaiwai> yeap, thats my hard disk
[15:08:27] <Triskelios> but the CD drive is regular ATA not SATA, right?
[15:08:44] <kaiwai> yeap, regular ata one
[15:08:54] <Triskelios> is sd in driver_aliases? should be sd "scsiclass,00"
[15:09:28] <Triskelios> wait, nevermind, sd must be working since your hard drive uses it
[15:10:17] <kaiwai> yeah, hence my concern that something has gone haywire with the sata changes
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[15:14:02] <kaiwai> so basically it worked for b70 and everything went south from there
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[15:18:03] <Triskelios> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/intel/io/dktp/controller/ata/ mentions some changes to ata_probe()
[15:18:58] <kaiwai> very nice
[15:19:03] <Triskelios> maybe see if reverting just the 'ata' driver to the snv_70 version helps
[15:19:05] <kaiwai> and I guess no one actually tests it like usual
[15:19:46] <Triskelios> I would assume mlf did
[15:20:09] <Triskelios> also stevel is running snv_72 and I don't think he's noticed a problem
[15:20:53] <kaiwai> well, if 70 works and 72 doesn't then the code hasn't been tested on enough machines; it just pisses me off that something like this happens, and there is no way around it
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[15:23:42] <Doc> you cant run bleeding edge and complain about the occasional bug
[15:23:57] <kaiwai> Doc: I wouldn't call it 'bleeding edge'
[15:24:20] <Doc> the latest build of NV is as bleeding edge as it gets as far as a consolidated build
[15:24:45] <kaiwai> hmm, I'll go back to B70
[15:24:46] <Triskelios> it's between "bleeding edge" and an actual SXCE release
[15:25:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> cutting edge
[15:25:05] <Triskelios> even b70 got respun a bunch of times
[15:25:24] <kaiwai> whats B71 like?
[15:25:26] <kaiwai> pretty stable?
[15:26:40] <kaiwai> hmm, I think I'll go back to that till things stablise
[15:26:49] <Triskelios> probably a good idea
[15:27:14] <Triskelios> I'm hoping b71 will just be skipped, since snv_72 is supposed to have fixes for a number of b70-era bugs
[15:27:14] <kaiwai> on the good side, B72 does finally bring ACPI support for my laptop
[15:27:30] <Triskelios> yeah, I need SpeedStep
[15:28:04] <kaiwai> anyway, see ya
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[15:31:53] <Doc> hmm.. it's the singing scrubs!
[15:42:06] <andyshack> Is it possible to temporarily disably serial tty output on a headless machine? I'm thinking the output from machine 2 is being listened to on machine 1 when i ssh in and "tip hardwire" or is that not possible ?
[15:44:01] <loke> Anyone with good experience with Opteron solutions? I need 102 cores... Is there a manufacturer that is significantly cheaper than Sun?
[15:47:24] <madhatter> Triskelios: The tool I used was network-admin, seems to be a gnome tool
[15:47:47] <Triskelios> madhatter: that doesn't do the right thing for wifi yet, afaik
[15:48:20] <Triskelios> heh, in fact when I try to start it now:
[15:48:34] <Triskelios> "
[15:48:35] <Triskelios> Network Admin cannot be used to configure the network when Network Auto-Magic (NWAM) is enabled. Please see the nwamd(1M) manpage for more information on how to configure the system in this operational state."
[15:48:54] <Triskelios> so just use nwam
[15:49:38] <madhatter> Triskelios: It seems to work. But the problem I have is that I don't know where it writes the config
[15:50:29] <madhatter> I can't find nwam on my system :(
[15:51:21] <Triskelios> are you running b63 or later?
[15:51:52] <madhatter> Later. b70
[15:52:35] <Triskelios> svcs -a | grep nwam
[15:53:05] <madhatter> Triskelios: Ah.
[15:53:08] <Triskelios> or just svcs -xv nwam
[15:53:16] <madhatter> Triskelios: There it is. But disabled.
[15:53:40] <madhatter> Have to read manpages for that svcs/svcadm
[15:53:55] <Doc> hmm.. so we're up to snv_72?  5 points for anyone that can name the build that sol10 was released as...
[15:54:02] <Triskelios> madhatter: man nwamd
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[15:55:21] <Triskelios> madhatter: if you have problems after enabling it, make sure /etc/nwam/llp lists your wireless interface before the wired one (it tries them in order)
[15:56:19] <madhatter> Triskelios: Thank you. I will read the manpages and then just try removing everything from that gnome-tool to make sure they don't get in each others way
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[15:57:15] <Triskelios> shortly after enabling the service you should get a dialog box popping up asking which wifi network you would like to connect to
[15:58:08] <madhatter> Triskelios: Oh, that sounds comfortable
[16:01:26] <madhatter> Triskelios: Now I get the same message you got from that network-admin tool. :)
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[16:04:05] <bda> Doc: Something old-timey, I'd wager.
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[16:17:44] <Doc> bda: b74L2a.  ie, about now in the development cycle
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[16:23:15] <Sup3rkiddo> hi all..just wondering..the "nightly opensolaris.sh" has to be done in a single go..If i break it and resume it again, it deletes all the objects and starts from scratch?..had a power cut a while ago and when i resumed, my logs had a make clobber in it
[16:27:42] <Tempt> Hey, JDS/GNOME guys: After only ten minutes, my gf just pronounced SXCE's GNOME to be a better desktop experience than Ubuntu, so you're doing better in the eyes of the user than the linux weenies.
[16:28:20] <Sup3rkiddo> weenies seems to be a too harsh a word
[16:28:25] <Sup3rkiddo> :(
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[16:29:40] <Triskelios> Tempt: maybe because the panel is on the bottom ;)
[16:30:07] <Tempt> Nah, it was the not having bit dump core on USB insert, being more responsive and no hassle nvidia support.
[16:30:23] <Tempt> Also a 'cleaner' visual field.
[16:30:54] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: you can bldenv opensolaris.sh and just run dmake
[16:31:28] <Triskelios> regular make also works...
[16:31:31] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: ok..i was following the docs at opensolaris.org...gentoo "weenie" here
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[16:32:17] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: and then use bfu to install them over my current nevada installation..thats how it works..right?
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[16:34:46] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: I prefer to install packages, but sure, BFU works
[16:34:56] <antoniojulio> hi channel
[16:36:00] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: oh ok...my nevada install is fresh and only 48 hours old...will do another round of RTFM..
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[16:37:01] <antoniojulio> i am a new in opensolaris , and i have one problem with pkgmk no create a map file , i don't know how update a pkgmanager from sources,  howto update? whereis a cvs mirror contain a sources? do you help me please? thanks best regards
[16:40:03] <Triskelios> antoniojulio: your question is confusing
[16:40:34] <Triskelios> antoniojulio: pkgmk generates a map file from a prototype
[16:41:42] <antoniojulio> Triskelios: yes, im guide step by step from a sunfreeware package making guide
[16:41:57] <antoniojulio> i generate a prototite a pkginfo file
[16:42:14] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/devref_4/ mentions a bit about the ways to do the build
[16:42:16] <antoniojulio> but say error on creating file
[16:42:48] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: yeah thanks, was following that..
[16:42:51] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: the Makefile says you have to "cd pkgdefs and do a 'make install'" to generate actual packages
[16:43:06] <Triskelios> probably nightly does something similar if you read the script
[16:43:23] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: yup..will take a look...
[16:43:51] <antoniojulio> Triskelios: i have a v 69, howto update to 70? please
[16:44:34] <Triskelios> antoniojulio: huh? what are you updating?
[16:44:50] <Sup3rkiddo> lol, i have a 57
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[16:46:23] <antoniojulio> Triskelios: opensolaris pkgmaking files
[16:48:54] <Triskelios> I don't know which files you're talking about...
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[16:52:42] <Triskelios> what is the error from pkgmk?
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[17:00:55] <madhatter> Triskelios: Did you notice loosing wifi connections every 10 minutes with nwam, too?
[17:01:21] <madhatter> Triskelios: It reconnects soon, but I have to click okay when getting the notification
[17:01:31] <Triskelios> madhatter: no
[17:02:12] <Triskelios> sometimes it drops momentarily (as noticed in dmesg) but not long enough for nwam to notice
[17:02:34] <Pietro_S> madhatter: wpa/wep or bad signal? I have no prooblem with wifi too (bcm ndis driver)
[17:02:45] <madhatter> Triskelios: Strange. I had no connection issues today, but since I activated the nwam...
[17:03:19] <madhatter> Pietro_S: WEP at the moment. Signal strength was 8 last night. Did not check today
[17:03:43] <Pietro_S> what drriver are you using?
[17:03:54] <madhatter> ath
[17:04:16] <madhatter> dladm scan-wifi tells me 'weak'
[17:04:17] <madhatter> :(
[17:04:52] <madhatter> Maybe I have to get me a better antenna then.
[17:05:15] <Berny> open the door :-)
[17:05:22] <Pietro_S> I never touch that, but it's native driver so better antenna would be solution ;-)
[17:06:20] <madhatter> Berny: If I had no problem with an open door, I could have used wired lan instead. :)
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[17:07:58] <Pietro_S> Triskelios: I want to do fresh install for 2 things - 1) try new installer 2) do better partioning, cause this setting I did when I had no XP with ON so I didn't do setting for LU (also I want to get rid from blastwave)
[17:09:40] <gcj> hi all, any way to get a non-crippled openssl package on opensolaris?
[17:09:42] <Triskelios> Pietro_S: the new installer doesn't handle partitioning very well
[17:10:57] <Pietro_S> I knew it, that's why dvd with sxce 70 is laying on my desk ;-)
[17:11:26] <Triskelios> Pietro_S: you can still use the old installer
[17:12:02] <Pietro_S> and the 3) rreason, is to try strange bug in pkgmk (core dumped when installed spec file )
[17:12:22] <Triskelios> ouch
[17:12:49] <Triskelios> gcj: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/crypto/Documentation/sunwcry/ might have some info
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[17:14:44] <Pietro_S> but if someone has internal wunning copy of 71,72b, I can give him spec file to try it ;-)
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[17:23:13] <Sup3rkiddo> omg..bfu cannot be used to upgrade my 57 to 70..can it?...
[17:23:58] <tomww> Sup3rkiddo: you would miss much of the updates around the very basic solaris stuff...
[17:24:18] <gcj> Triskelios, thanks, i guess i need the solaris 10 encryption kit even though i'm running nevada build 64? hope it will work
[17:24:42] <tomww> so, upgrading with liveupgrade would be worth a try...
[17:25:47] <Sup3rkiddo> tomww: sorry but i didnt quite comprehend you...i take it that i have to reinstall it from scratch if i need to upgrade my base install....so to upgrade 57 to 70, i will have to find someone and make him download the images for me again?
[17:26:04] <tomww> or boot the dvd and choose upgrade install. But no guaranty that this works without manual interventions (see release notes on opensolaris.org)
[17:26:27] <Sup3rkiddo> tomww: yup...so 57 is quite old then...
[17:26:56] <tomww> if you want build 70, the you'll need the iso-images downloaded
[17:27:05] <Triskelios> I upgraded 53->60->63->70
[17:27:27] <Sup3rkiddo> wow...toast
[17:27:49] <Triskelios> oh wait, forgot 69 in between
[17:28:15] <Sup3rkiddo> i think i will call my friend to download the images for me and reinstall sxce 70...
[17:28:44] <tomww> that's why I mentioned the release notes, in some few cases you have to enable/disable a SMF service or do other minor things. But you would preserve your customisations with upgrading instead af a fresh install
[17:29:33] <Sup3rkiddo> tomww: my install is pristine except for the addition of SunStudio 11
[17:30:04] <tomww> no userdata on the disk? :-)
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[17:30:30] <Sup3rkiddo> tomww: doh...but thats on another partition....it will get borked?
[17:30:38] <Triskelios> if you don't care about the system configuration, a fresh install is fine
[17:30:49] <Sup3rkiddo> i think i will try live upgrade just for the kicks
[17:30:56] <Triskelios> it should be able to leave data alone
[17:31:20] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: the nice thing about live upgrade is that you can roll back if it doesn't work
[17:31:54] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: yup...i saw that somewhere..now mighty google shall fetch me the link
[17:32:55] <Triskelios> gcj: the page claims the closed-bins tarballs contain the packages
[17:33:20] <gcj> thanks, i don't know where to get that tarball from, sorry
[17:33:36] <Triskelios> Sup3rkiddo: you need to have another slice free for live upgrade, since it uses an alternate root slice
[17:34:09] <Triskelios> gcj: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/
[17:34:26] <Sup3rkiddo> Triskelios: oh dang, then i guess i have to have the dvd...
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[17:34:45] <gcj> should i just get the latest one, or does it have to correspond to my solaris version somehow?
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[17:34:58] <Sup3rkiddo> brb
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[17:35:31] <Triskelios> gcj: "As has always been true for users of the Encryption Kit, you must manually remove the SUNWcry and SUNWcryr packages and install ones that are in sync with your Solaris Express bits every time you upgrade other than by bfu."
[17:35:48] <Triskelios> guess that means you should get a matching version
[17:36:00] <gcj> damn, i've got b64a and there's no b64a or b64 on that page
[17:36:07] <gcj> guess i could try b63 and hope :-)
[17:36:29] <madhatter> Triskelios: Can you resize slizes to make one avail for upgrade?
[17:36:38] <madhatter> *slices
[17:38:11] <Triskelios> I don't think there's an official ufs resize tool, unfortunately
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[17:39:36] <Triskelios> wonder if you can use the Veritas vxresize
[17:39:37] <kdegel666> when installing opensolaris does it take a bit where you choose which type of install (i chose solaris interactive)
[17:39:47] <kdegel666> and where it says 'setting up java. please wait....'
[17:39:53] <kdegel666> does it take awhile for that to set up?
[17:40:03] <kdegel666> because im not seeing any activity from the dvd drive
[17:40:15] <Triskelios> kdegel666: I guess you mean SXCE, there are several opensolaris distros
[17:40:26] <madhatter> Just wondering. I don't plan to upgrade this system. Just wanting to get familiar with it in the next days/weeks and then I will reinstall. So I then can keep in mind to leave a spare slice somewhere
[17:40:50] <kdegel666> Triskelios, i really didnt know which distro to choose so i think i got the one from opensolaris.org
[17:40:53] <madhatter> kdegel666: It took a few minutes here to start java
[17:40:54] <Triskelios> kdegel666: the java part can take a minute or two, yeah
[17:40:58] <kdegel666> which i guess could be SXCE
[17:41:12] <kdegel666> can it take like 5-10 minutes?
[17:41:30] <Triskelios> 10 minutes is unheard of. how fast is your machine?
[17:41:46] <kdegel666> 1.7 p4 512MB
[17:42:06] <Triskelios> it took about 5 minutes on my 360MHz U5...
[17:42:52] <kdegel666> well i will restart and try it again
[17:43:15] <Triskelios> madhatter: zfs root will make this much easier since you can clone the filesystem instantly (and it's more efficient too, since you don't actually duplicate data for a clone)
[17:43:29] <kdegel666> for someone who is using this just for a file server and some other minor things (mainly for the knowledge of solaris) is SXCE a good distro to choose?
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[17:44:31] <Triskelios> kdegel666: should be fine, although for desktop use it's more memory-hungry
[17:44:34] <madhatter> Triskelios: I thought getting zfs on the root partition would not be too easy?
[17:45:57] <Triskelios> madhatter: it's not too difficult now, although there might still be issues
[17:46:32] <Triskelios> madhatter: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/
[17:47:10] <madhatter> Triskelios: Thanks, I will look into that
[17:48:20] <Triskelios> madhatter: that also lists bugs, so make sure those don't affect you
[17:48:48] <gcj> Triskelios, this looks really dodgy, it touches loads of stuff including the kernel :(
[17:49:07] <Triskelios> gcj: err, don't unpack it on your /
[17:49:18] <Triskelios> gcj: it's supposed to be a supplement to the ON source tree
[17:49:26] <gcj> Triskelios, but i don't want to build a new opensolaris either
[17:49:36] <gcj> i just want some binary packages to give me the missing stuff
[17:49:36] <madhatter> Triskelios: I will :)
[17:49:37] <Triskelios> gcj: just grab the necessary files out of it
[17:49:45] <gcj> how would i know which ones they are?
[17:50:23] <gcj> i guess crypto is in the kernel on solaris?
[17:50:44] <Triskelios> guess they're not in a package dir
[17:50:58] <Triskelios> "At this time the easiest thing to do is use the binaries from the closed bins area for pkcs11_sofftoken, aes256, blowfish448, arcfour2048, libcrypto_exta.so.0.9.7, libssl_extra.so.9.7."
[17:51:14] <Triskelios> hmm
[17:51:24] <Triskelios> I can't find the lib*_extra files in mine
[17:51:24] <gcj> so i should look for files with those names?
[17:51:38] <gcj> i don't think i can use those anyway, i don't think i have openssl0.9.7
[17:51:49] <gcj> i installed 0.9.8 from SFW in /opt/sfw
[17:52:04] <gcj> err /opt/csw even#
[17:52:26] <Triskelios> er, blastwave is a different story
[17:53:05] <gcj> but their openssl is crippled as well, perhaps because it uses pkcs11?
[17:53:40] <gcj> i found kernel crypto modules for blowfish, but no idea if they'll run on this kernel (it's not b63)
[17:53:54] <Triskelios> I don't think you need the crypto modules
[17:55:07] <gcj> sorry i gotta go, thanks for your help, will be back later on
[17:56:01] <Triskelios> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~bubbva/cryaway.7/ seems to be the ARC case for removing SUNWcry, actually
[17:56:53] <ofu> how can i get the serial number of a v240?
[17:57:53] <Tempt> It's written on the back
[18:00:02] <ofu> yes, sure. But i thought about something like show /SYS/MB or showhost
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[18:03:07] <madhatter> Can somebody give me an idea how that sfw tarball is ment to install? I found a usr/src dir in there but no manual that tells me if I have to move all to /usr or how I can install tools from that folders
[18:03:23] <quasi> fu: have you tried checking the output of the help command on the SC?
[18:03:54] <quasi> s/fu/ofu/
[18:04:00] <ofu> yes, tried showhost, showenvironment and showfru. showhost works on a T2000
[18:04:35] <Tempt> Pretty sure you have to eyeball the 240
[18:04:41] <Triskelios> ofu: http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=4304155a and elsewhere seems to imply that the OBP serial number is not the same as the chassis number
[18:04:56] <ofu> hooray
[18:04:57] <Tempt> And no, OBP serial is not the same as chassis serial.
[18:05:09] <quasi> Triskelios: yeah, that seems to match my recollection as well
[18:06:18] <quasi> ofu: with luck, someone set up explorer and recorded the serial there ;)
[18:06:54] <ofu> no, i am the only one to install explorers, and i always skip it...
[18:07:06] <ofu> aaah
[18:07:12] <ofu> i filled oem-banner
[18:07:13] <quasi> ofu: no hands, no cookies
[18:07:20] <ofu> everything is fine
[18:08:45] <madhatter> Hm, thought I' d just 'make' and give it a try what happens... but that fails.
[18:09:17] <Triskelios> ofu: might want to consider installing sneep anyway
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[18:17:14] <ofu> hrm, unknown value...
[18:17:56] <Triskelios> yeah, it merely stores a value you give it, there's still no value accessible in software by default =\
[18:21:30] <ofu> so i will continue to use the oem-banner in eeprom, sounds like a better idea
[18:23:25] <Triskelios> well, sneep stores in eeprom, also, and makes it visible in explorer and such automatically
[18:29:37] <bda> Yay Headhouse Square Market. (plums)++
[18:30:13] <ofu> worst thing is downtime to change this cpu fan *sigh*
[18:35:08] <Triskelios> bda: I missed the Waverly farmer's market yesterday =\
[18:35:42] <bda> Phillly has the Italian Market (open every day afaik) and the Headhouse Shambles market, open Sat/Sun.
[18:36:03] <bda> The latter if five blocks from my apt. I have no excuse not to go. :)
[18:36:25] * Triskelios is in crappy Baltimore
[18:36:49] <bda> I've driven through Baltimore a number of times. Never wanted to stop. :)
[18:37:38] <bda> Buddy and I were getting supplies for BBQ this afternoon.
[18:37:43] <bda> I think he forgot the asparagus though. :(
[18:37:54] <bda> Oiled/grilled asparagus is super tasty.
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[18:39:54] <kdegel666> do most of you guys use nexenta?
[18:41:04] <bda> Doubt it.
[18:42:58] <kdegel666> huh
[18:43:22] <kdegel666> well im still trying to get open solaris CE to boot, guess i will d-l the starter kit and do some reading
[18:45:27] <Doomshammer> kdegel666: jfyi- OpenSolaris is not the distribution
[18:45:59] <kdegel666> well im not sure exactly how the wording is as of right now
[18:46:00] <Doomshammer> you certainly main solaris express or one of the other avail. "distributions"
[18:47:10] <kdegel666> the only unix's that ive used before is the BSD flavor (mostly freebsd) but i do want to learn solaris for a hopeful job later on in the future
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[18:47:36] <bda> kdegel666: http://whacked.net/2007/02/13/opensolarissolaris-relationships/
[18:47:47] <bda> Though changing his template totally screwed that page.
[18:47:48] <bda> Heh.
[18:48:04] <kdegel666> yeah i see
[18:48:15] <bda> The updated link at the top of the post is probably better.
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[18:48:44] <kdegel666> yeah i guess i meant sxce
[18:51:25] <kaiwai> kdegel666: what happens when you try to boot the dvd/cd?
[18:52:23] <kdegel666> the cd1 nothing happens, the dvd i can get though part of the menu but i think the dvd might be currupted or something because in one option i get some errors and another option it just sits on the 'loading java please wait' section
[18:52:52] <kaiwai> hmm, tried selecting 4, the console install?
[18:52:59] <kdegel666> nope
[18:53:03] <kaiwai> also, did you md5 check the iso at the end?
[18:53:06] <kdegel666> nope
[18:53:11] <kaiwai> afte downloading and assembling it
[18:53:14] <kdegel666> nope
[18:53:16] <kdegel666> haha
[18:53:19] <kaiwai> probably best to do so :)
[18:53:49] <kdegel666> honestly ive never done that, never had a currupt dvd, and i deleted it already so yeah, kind of stupid but this is for personal use so i wasnt worried
[18:58:49] <kaiwai> I tend to use console install, the graphical one is a POS IMHO
[18:59:41] <Berny> text-install in graphical mode... gives you another terminal to use while installing ;-)
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[19:06:01] <bda> http://www.alwaysbeta.com/2007/08/27/the-tale-of-the-mechanical-virus/
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[19:17:08] <kaiwai> ok, lodged a bug report
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[19:27:07] <mick_laptop> hi everyone
[19:27:18] <mick_laptop> is there a net install version of opensolaris?
[19:27:45] <g4lt-sb100> kaiwai, you mean, you're going to make them go down to the second sub-basemeent into the disused lavatory with the "beware of panther" sign on it?
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[19:28:04] <Megaf> Aloha
[19:28:26] <g4lt-sb100> mick_laptop, google for jumpstart
[19:28:28] <kaiwai> yeap :)
[19:29:10] <mick_laptop> thanks
[19:29:20] <g4lt-sb100> I'd call you a bastard, but bug losers need job secuirty too
[19:29:20] <mick_laptop> why is that not linked anywhere?
[19:29:27] <g4lt-sb100> it is
[19:30:10] <kaiwai> g4lt-sb100: well, it is a regression - people not testing their code well enough before merging *grumble grumble*
[19:30:40] <mick_laptop> the link that comes up is: http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/opensolaris.jsp
[19:31:33] <kaiwai> mick_laptop: you got a server locally that you're going to install from?
[19:31:49] <mick_laptop> no
[19:32:05] <kaiwai> you want to install it via the internet?
[19:32:19] <mick_laptop> right
[19:32:32] <kaiwai> unfortunately you're SOL given the current situation
[19:32:54] <mick_laptop> basically i wanted a mini cd (for instance there is a tiny debian iso that enables you to install only what you want/need over the web w/o having to install 10 CDs)
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[19:33:28] <kaiwai> well, there is SXCE, which is a DVD, and there are the various distro's, but nothing like a mini-iso
[19:34:25] <mick_laptop> a, b, c
[19:34:43] <kaiwai> pardon?
[19:35:05] <mick_laptop> there are DVD(s) -- a, b,c
[19:35:12] <kaiwai> no
[19:35:13] <mick_laptop> do i need them all?
[19:35:16] <kaiwai> yes
[19:35:28] <kaiwai> download all of them then use the cat command to join them to gether into one big dvd iso
[19:35:41] <mick_laptop> heh
[19:36:02] <mick_laptop> might be an idea to have a .torrent listed, or?
[19:36:13] <kaiwai> no torrents unfortunately
[19:36:24] <kaiwai> the download off the sun site is very fast anyway
[19:36:29] <mick_laptop> well thanks for your help
[19:36:44] <kaiwai> last night I was getting around 800KB/s from my university
[19:37:40] <Berny> gosh you live in timbuktu? :-P
[19:37:58] <kaiwai> who? me?
[19:38:00] <kaiwai> why is that?
[19:38:01] <Berny> yeah
[19:38:07] <Berny> 800kb/s
[19:38:18] <Berny> transmission by drum? :-P
[19:38:18] <kaiwai> no, 800 kilobytes per second
[19:38:26] <kaiwai> hence the upper case KB
[19:38:42] <Berny> still i usually see ~3MB/s from sdlc
[19:38:55] <kaiwai> I'm in New Zealand :)
[19:39:12] <kaiwai> Sun can't be f*cked having a local server for the pacific :(
[19:39:21] <Berny> do tasmanian devils eat pakets o the way? ;-)
[19:39:39] <kaiwai> possibly, along with the kiwi and 60million sheep we have here
[19:39:45] <Berny> i shouldn't think there is a "local" server for germany
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[19:39:49] <Berny> hehe
[19:40:18] <kaiwai> hmm, I think there should be the death penalty for anyone producing code that doesn't compile on solaris
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[19:41:49] <hspaans> kaiwai: you feel the pleasure of the linux world as well? ;-)
[19:42:11] <kaiwai> yeap, half witts over at wine wth their shit code that doesn't compile
[19:43:23] <mick_laptop> i am getting 200kb/sec
[19:48:17] <mick_laptop> hey man -- you know the shit that they have to deal w/?
[19:49:15] <mick_laptop> compiling on solaris is not really up there on their list of priorities ;)
[19:49:43] <kaiwai> well, its pathetic that something that should be pure C doesn't compile because of bad coding
[19:49:53] <e^ipi> it should be. portability is key
[19:50:18] <tomww> wine is just an example. ther are so many coders out there, not writing portable software. this is a real problem every one compiling for solaris knows too much...
[19:50:19] <mick_laptop> is there a howto on doing a headless install of opensolaris?
[19:50:46] <tomww> mick_laptop: on x86 or on sparc?
[19:50:57] <mick_laptop> x86
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[19:52:05] <tomww> I usually use SUNEjet as framework on top ot the normal jumpstart server. runs really fine. create a template with name/ip/ethercard_mac_address, compile this and do the PXE_boot via net
[19:52:06] <mick_laptop> is there a way for it to get an ip and then i can just ssh into the box and go from there?
[19:52:11] <tomww> sorry, SUNWjet
[19:52:38] <mick_laptop> ok, i don't have a jumpstart server
[19:53:18] <tomww> what do you define as a "headless install" ?
[19:53:26] <mick_laptop> no monitor
[19:54:14] <mick_laptop> i'd like to do something like ssh into the install (have it get an ip from the dhcp server) -- and go from there
[19:54:46] <tomww> this it not the established way to install solaris (the ssh thing).
[19:55:09] <mick_laptop> i have 2 options: install on desktop w/o monitor or plug the ide hdd into my laptop (via usb converter) and see if i can install somehow like that
[19:55:18] <tomww> you could use a customized grub-menu to enable "serial --unit=0 --speed=9600" and "terminal serial"
[19:55:19] <g4lt-sb100> but the instasller DOES run sshd pretty quickly in ther process
[19:56:54] * mick_laptop wonders if there is a way to run an OS from a usb hdd while running another OS
[19:57:16] <mick_laptop> something like how you can run qemu w/ a raw/qcow image
[19:57:30] <mick_laptop> maybe it is possible to do that w/ /dev/sdb
[19:57:35] <delewis> mick_laptop: not without something like qemu or vmware.
[19:57:44] <delewis> you need a hardware hypervisor, otherwise.
[19:57:50] <mick_laptop> right, well i have qemu
[19:58:11] <mick_laptop> i just want to install on my harddrive -- that is it
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[19:58:18] <mick_laptop> i'll install it into my desktop later
[19:58:26] * g4lt-sb100 is noting that this conversation is rapidly getting out of the skillset of people who ask general questions on irc
[19:58:58] <mick_laptop> g4lt-sb100: what does that mean?
[19:59:34] <mick_laptop> hmm, this is odd -- i don't see my cloak :-/
[19:59:43] <g4lt-sb100> what that means is anything you've discussed is feasable, but if you're at the skliiset of "help me install solaris", it's not
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[20:00:25] <mick_laptop> oh, i've installed solaris before (just not opensolaris)
[20:00:38] <mick_laptop> and that was a few years ago :)
[20:00:54] <delewis> you're not installing OpenSolaris. OpenSolaris is just a heap of code, that's used to create an OpenSolaris-based distribution.
[20:01:01] <g4lt-sb100> and did you do it over the net then?
[20:01:16] <mick_laptop> nah, i've done that w/ linux
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[20:02:01] <g4lt-sb100> the installation process hasn't really changed much in the last 5 years or so.
[20:02:12] <mick_home> ok, now my cloak is there
[20:02:36] <mick_home> g4lt-sb100: well i did a straight install w/ CD
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[20:02:50] <mick_home> i didn't need any of the spiffy features that i need today :)
[20:02:57] <g4lt-sb100> then that's your skillset.  go witht aht
[20:03:15] <mick_home> and what does that mean?
[20:03:31] <mick_home> "go w/ linux"?
[20:03:36] <g4lt-sb100> unless you've done a jumpstart, it's not an easy process
[20:03:53] <mick_home> well don't i need solaris to do a jumpstart?
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[20:04:25] <delewis> mick_home: no.
[20:04:42] <mick_home> well now i'm getting somewhere
[20:04:43] <mick_home> :)
[20:04:52] <g4lt-sb100> I'd recommend it the first time, but no
[20:04:53] <delewis> but unless you've done Jumpstarts with Solaris before, you don't want to do a hack up a Jumpstart config on another operating system, like FreeBSD or Linux.
[20:05:05] <delewis> preferably, FreeBSD, which seems to have a much saner NFS server implementation.
[20:05:14] <shaver> I installed SXCE b70 (graphically), but when I boot into it I don't get a graphical login
[20:05:26] <g4lt-sb100> shaver, X86?
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[20:05:30] <shaver> yeah
[20:05:40] <shaver> there is no Xorg.conf
[20:05:41] <g4lt-sb100> run kdmconfig from a prompt
[20:05:48] <shaver> OK
[20:05:53] <shaver> that looks promising!
[20:06:02] <mick_home> i'll just do this later when i have a monitor
[20:06:33] <mick_home> thanks guys
[20:06:40] <shaver> so do I want Xsun or Xorg?
[20:06:58] <g4lt-sb100> okay, my pdaphone issues just wqent nuclear.  my $%^& phone wasn't being recognized by the %^&* computer without a pave-reboot :(
[20:07:10] <shaver> I guess Xsun will be easier to configure!
[20:07:17] <g4lt-sb100> shaver, depends.  what gfx card?
[20:07:29] <shaver> GeForce 8800GTS
[20:08:53] <g4lt-sb100> xorg has better support, but xsun gets you running now
[20:09:19] <shaver> indeed Xorgcfg tells me to try reinstalling teh NVIDIA driver
[20:09:36] <shaver> also, hmm, my network devices are not so much enabled
[20:09:39] <shaver> wonder why that is
[20:09:48] <shaver> that will make it challenging to get the NVIDIA driver :)
[20:11:07] <delewis> you'll definitely want to use Xorg on x86.
[20:11:08] <quasi> shaver: what sort of nic?
[20:12:02] <shaver> that is a very good question -- let me find my motherboard manual quickly here
[20:13:25] <shaver> nforce
[20:13:46] <shaver> whatever's in the 680i chipset
[20:13:59] <kdegel666> so does everyone here mainly use solaris or like SXCE? or something else?
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[20:14:42] <shaver> they're both present, at 100Mbps full duplex, according to dmesg
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[20:15:16] <quasi> shaver: what does dladm show-dev tell you?
[20:15:44] <shaver> nge0 up 10Mb full
[20:15:52] <shaver> nge1 down 0Mb unknown
[20:16:15] * shaver will try swapping the cable
[20:16:20] <shaver> (to the other jack)
[20:17:05] <shaver> OK, nge0 was indeed cabled
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[20:17:28] <shaver> wonder why it's not been ifconfiged UP
[20:17:39] <shaver> I'm going to have to head out in a bit, or my wife will be extremely cross
[20:17:57] <shaver> hmm, in fact, I might be too late for that already, heh
[20:17:59] <quasi> solaris doesn't fire up interfaces unless you ask it to
[20:18:16] <shaver> ah, do I need a svcadm here or some such?
[20:18:57] <Berny> ifconfig plumb -a
[20:19:06] <shaver> will that persist across reboots, Berny?
[20:19:38] <Berny> or touch /etc/hostname.if (put interfacename after . better a real name in these files)
[20:19:44] <Berny> the latter will
[20:19:53] <shaver> (it complains that -a is a bad address)
[20:20:14] <Berny> if putting names in in /etc/hostname.if put the name and ip in /etc/hosts
[20:20:22] <Berny> ifconfig -a plumb it should be then
[20:20:37] <Berny> it's latish and i'm tired 8-)
[20:20:46] <shaver> yeah, that didn't help, hrm
[20:20:55] <shaver> nge0 shows DHCP in its flags in ifconfig
[20:21:14] <Berny> it's configured for dhcp  :-)
[20:21:22] <shaver> yeah, so is Windows on this machine
[20:21:26] <shaver> and it gets an address
[20:21:38] <Berny> solaris doesn't
[20:21:39] <Berny> ?
[20:21:48] <shaver> well, it doesn't have an address
[20:21:51] <shaver> inet 0.0.0.0
[20:21:56] <shaver> not sure if it's even asking
[20:22:00] <Berny> icky
[20:22:04] * shaver is still learning where the logs are and such
[20:22:13] <shaver> OK, back in a while -- thanks a _ton_ for your help so far
[20:22:16] <bda> shaver: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16
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[20:30:41] <nachox> evening
[20:31:41] <Berny> heya
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[20:45:49] <madhatter> re
[20:46:24] <madhatter> Is there a special directory (like --prefix) where to install additional software to?
[20:49:28] <Doomshammer> why not take /opt?
[20:50:26] <madhatter> Doomshammer: I wasn't sure, if that's okay
[20:51:10] <bda> /opt is standard enough. Or you could package it up using the system package tools.
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[20:51:45] <Doomshammer>  /opt ist for optional software so a good place for additional software.. otherwise /usr/local is always choosen very often
[20:52:16] <bda> Many humans in here will decry the use of /usr/local on Solaris.
[20:52:40] <Doomshammer> ;-)
[20:52:55] <Doomshammer> is it to 'GNU'? *SCNR*
[20:53:47] <madhatter> Oh, okay. /opt is fine for me. I thought that /usr/local would be a difference
[20:54:50] <madhatter> Yay, mutt is available :)
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[21:23:09] <flyingparchment> does QFS do checksums of file data?
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[21:26:34] <Berny> dunno bout qfs but samfs can do checksums on archival and compare when staging back from tape
[21:26:54] <Berny> though this is not default behaviour... has to be set prior archiving
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[21:41:25] <flyingparchment> hmm, scary message: Sep  2 19:41:11 zedler samfs: [ID 756621 kern.warning] WARNING: SAM-QFS: internal: inode 0x5f2 has a SAM-QFS: sam_putapage: sparse block error
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[21:41:42] <delewis> indeed.
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[21:43:43] <Berny> find out what file it is and remove it 8-)
[21:44:16] <Berny> then stage back from tape and cross your fingers
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