[00:00:04] * nrubsig forgot that... ;-(
[00:00:15] <nrubsig> jmcp: I am in attack-random-victim-mode rigt now
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[00:00:28] * nrubsig turns his head into sommerfeld's direction...
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[00:35:31] <boyd> Morning, all
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[00:36:22] <nrubsig> boyd: only if you can sponsorr OS/Net putbacks.
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[00:36:47] * boyd relaxes since he's just a community member, not a specially anointed one...
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[00:43:36] <bigjohnto> i have like 8 proccesses (child forked processes) of sendmail, when i check the pid number to a log of mail it shows that those are related to spam email and that in the logs it shows as rejected... my question is why does the processes still exist?
[00:45:37] <nrubsig> bigjohnto: what does $ pstack <pid-of-childs> # say ?
[00:45:55] <nrubsig> bigjohnto: paste to http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/ , please
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[00:52:38] <nrubsig> alanc: ping!
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[01:02:20] * boyd wants a switch to df that leaves out the increasing number of pseudo filesystems
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[01:03:16] <brendang> boyd: try "-F zfs"
[01:03:39] <kjetilho> do you want NFS or not?
[01:03:51] <boyd> brendang: Doesn't help with ufs
[01:03:56] * sommerfeld wants the increasing number of pseudo filesystems to set MNTOPT_IGNORE
[01:04:01] <boyd> kjetilho: don't care..
[01:04:04] <alanc> nrubsig: pong (was in meeting)
[01:04:12] <kjetilho> boyd: give it a month or so, no one will be using ufs ;-)
[01:04:28] <brendang> sommerfeld: good idea
[01:04:33] <kjetilho> sommerfeld: ahh, that's what automount does?
[01:04:58] <sommerfeld> Yes.  The autofs stub mounts are marked -o ignore
[01:05:01] <kjetilho> I give that idea a +oo
[01:05:21] <nrubsig> alanc: could you add me to the interest list of http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6596519 , please ?
[01:05:49] <alanc> done
[01:05:57] <nrubsig> alanc: Thanks! :-)
[01:06:11] <boyd> I mean seriously: df | wc -l -> 19 ; (df -F ufs; df -F zfs )| wc -l -> 5
[01:06:12] <sommerfeld> I think the principle should be "filesystems which don't actually occupy space shouldn't be listed by df"
[01:06:27] <sommerfeld> so, include /tmp, /var/run, but exclude /system/foo
[01:06:34] <sommerfeld> and /proc
[01:07:13] <kjetilho> and /etc/mnttab :)
[01:07:36] <boyd> and /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr.so.1 FFS
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[01:08:12] <boyd> and /etc/dfs/sharetab /dev/fd /etc/mnttab
[01:09:30] * Tempt envisions a new wave of utilities designed to return the commandline to the interactive user
[01:09:43] <kjetilho> ?
[01:09:58] <Tempt> Cleaner df, flexible vmstat ...
[01:10:20] <PerterB> colour ls ;)
[01:10:22] <kjetilho> oh.  I thought you meant stuff like Katapult
[01:10:25] <boyd> vmstat where the freaking columns don't bang into each other would be nice
[01:10:26] <Tempt> New names for these, so you can make them utterly incompatible with the previous versions because nobody should be targetting them for scripts.
[01:10:38] <Tempt> boyd: Is done.
[01:11:07] <kjetilho> a new standard for transfering data in a pipe would be nice...
[01:11:36] <kjetilho> use a simple formating program to make it pretty at the end
[01:12:20] <kjetilho> imagine not having to parse dozens of different ways of writing date and time ...
[01:12:42] <boyd> kjetilho: Trouble it, in this day and age it would be XML
[01:12:47] <boyd> s/it/is
[01:13:07] <kjetilho> yeah, I know.  but I'm not sure it would be worse than what we have
[01:13:26] <kjetilho> I would prefer something simpler, though.  S-expressions perhaps
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[01:14:56] <boyd> One of the advantages of the current method is that you can look at the data flow at any point in the pipe and have a reasonable chance or interpreting it (as a human).. I'd hate to lose that..
[01:15:53] <kjetilho> I agree, so it would be some textual encoding, not binary data
[01:17:03] <sommerfeld> there are some tools that emit xml.  but we don't have xmlgrep, xmlsed, xmlawk equivalents
[01:17:46] <kjetilho> I don't think XML usage is standardised enough
[01:17:58] <kjetilho> I mean each app has it's own schema or DTD
[01:18:06] <kjetilho> s/it's/its
[01:19:35] <kjetilho> enough dreaming out loud -- off to do it literally :-)
[01:19:41] <kjetilho> dreaming, that is...
[01:20:40] <boyd> But that's OK, since every app has different needs... as longas the schemas are well defined and the datatypes are well used it's ok... just get used to XSLT and XPath...
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[01:21:01] <boyd> sommerfeld: I'm waiting for a decent, functional xmldiff
[01:21:38] <boyd> (that shows semantic diffs, not syntactic ones)
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[01:43:59] <nachox> evening
[01:44:57] <jbk> hello
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[02:00:28] <CIA-16> willf: PSARC/2006/277 Support for Kerberos Records in LDAP Directory, 6399903 Support for Kerberos Records in LDAP Directory, 6520554 MIT bug #5427 with krb5_kt_get_name(), 6597851 dmake lint in usr/src/lib/gss_mechs/mech_krb5 broken
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[02:01:33] <Drone> bubbva (bubbva!n=bubbva at 192 dot 18.43.225) was last seen in #opensolaris on Tue 28 Aug 2007 21:42 GMT, saying 'bubbva is away: away'.
[02:01:40] <nrubsig> grumpf
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[02:05:35] <hile_> you at the office, james?
[02:05:41] <jmcp> hile_: nope
[02:05:47] <jmcp> hile_: using a different vpn access point :-)
[02:05:54] <hile_> ah okay
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[02:12:23] <boyd> The one at the cafe? :)
[02:12:30] * boyd is just jealous
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[02:13:42] <jmcp> boyd: nope
[02:14:12] <nachox> !seen benr
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[02:15:10] <nachox> nrubsig: i hate you, why does the bot at least answers you and gives a crap about me?
[02:15:13] <Drone> benr is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sat 25 Aug 2007 00:24 GMT, saying 'Tpenta, myspace gives me a rash. :('.
[02:15:44] <nachox> there, it just took longer :)
[02:16:25] <nrubsig> nachox: lab
[02:16:26] <nrubsig> er
[02:16:28] <nrubsig> nachox: lag
[02:16:37] <nrubsig> nachox: I assume the box is swapping
[02:18:05] <nachox> nrubsig: what else does that the box that has the bot run?
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[02:18:17] <boyd> Just the bot... it's written in Java :)
[02:18:18] * boyd ducks
[02:18:50] <nachox> i guess benr is not around anyway
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[02:23:46] * boyd is getting annoyed at the lack of information about the reason for the b70 respins... it's not clear what stoppers are being fixed so it's not possible to determine whether they affect *you*
[02:24:15] <Tempt> Ha!
[02:24:26] <Tempt> I think even more peopple are ANNOYED about the u4 delays.
[02:24:34] <nachox> boyd: well, to start with, they are fixing the memory requirement problems
[02:25:06] <boyd> See, if I know that's all it is, then I don't care and can go with b70.. but what else is there?
[02:25:41] <alanc> boyd: most of the 70 respin issues are around the new installer - if you can install 70, most of them don't affect you
[02:26:04] <boyd> Tempt: I've given up on waiting for u4. It's there when it's there :)
[02:26:05] <nachox> Tempt: that is the only cool thing ubuntu has, a predictable release cycle, whatever is ready gets included
[02:26:10] <jmcp> boyd: 6589797 Unable to install a x86 machine with 256/384/512 MB memory using the Console Session, and 6590352 x86.miniroot size is too large for PXE tftp transfers. Causing intermittent boot failures.
[02:26:16] <boyd> alanc: That's all I want to know...
[02:26:27] <Tempt> nachox: Oh, yes, Bleeding Beaver and the 28 day release cycle.
[02:26:44] <nachox> lol
[02:26:53] <Tempt> boyd: I'm racking my new colo machines tonight. I was trying to hold off until u4 for the improved zone network stuff but it ain't gonna happen.
[02:27:02] <wesolows> that is one of the most hilarious, most off-colour comments I have ever seen in IRC
[02:28:12] <boyd> Haha
[02:29:54] <alanc> hmm, looks like ON delivered more changes to the 70* respins than I thought
[02:30:11] <alanc> 6567055 Toshiba Tecra M5 not returning _PSS when dual core enabled
[02:30:11] <alanc> 6581638 sharemgr: sa_sharetab_fill_zfs() leaks memory
[02:30:11] <alanc> 6589668 naked constant in hme is incorrect, bcopies stack garbage somewhere it s
[02:30:11] <alanc> houldn't go
[02:30:11] <alanc> 6592903 sharemgr dumps core when trying to set properties on ZFS group
[02:30:12] <alanc> 6593956 After cpr resume, ultra-10 ultra-60 and ultra-80 systems lose communicat
[02:30:13] <alanc> ions cannot ping/be pinged
[02:30:16] <alanc> 6594442 hme_m_start should return error when hardware init fails
[02:30:19] <alanc> 6594448 hme minor cleanups
[02:30:21] <alanc> 6595101 Change in CPU max power should be NOTICE not WARNING
[02:30:24] <alanc> probably should have pastebin'ed that
[02:30:29] <alanc> and that was just 70b
[02:30:45] <Tempt> sheeet.
[02:30:48] <wesolows> looks like the threshold for respins is set awfully low
[02:31:22] <nachox> most of those seem like really minor bugs
[02:31:39] <alanc> 70a & 70b were already planned for the installer, so I think they took in more changes that SXDE wanted that wouldn't justify a respin on their own
[02:32:21] <alanc> hme copying stack garbage around seems serious enough for people on older sparcs
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[02:32:42] <wesolows> yes but that bug's been around for a long time iirc
[02:33:05] <alanc> oh, I thought it was from gdamore's recent nemoization of hme
[02:33:11] <wesolows> maybe so
[02:33:34] <wesolows> I think the right answer is to not think of these as ON build 70 respins but rather think of them as Sun-private SXDE forks of ON
[02:34:02] <wesolows> and Sun should do a better job of hiding them
[02:34:45] <alanc> that is effectively what they are - all the fixes should be in 71 or 72 as well
[02:40:42] <Triskelios> oh yay 6567055 is in...
[02:42:19] <Triskelios> nachox: well, I want freaking speedstep
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[02:52:59] <Tempt> Hmm, coffee time.
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[03:00:20] <CIA-16> nordmark: PSARC/2007/250 CGTP for IP Instances, 6572777 Need CGTP hooks version 3 to allow per-IP instance hooks
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[03:05:39] <jbk> i wonder if this will work...
[03:07:34] <boyd> nrubsig: What about something a little like fcgi, where the pam module opens a connection to a long-running process and uses some well defined protocol. That's more language neutral.
[03:09:27] <SYS64738> how can I do to see what slices I have in the c1t1d0 device ?
[03:09:40] <Tempt> prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0
[03:10:48] <SYS64738> prtvtoc: /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0: No such file or directory is this bad ?
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[03:11:15] <sommerfeld> try "prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0s0"
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[03:13:46] <SYS64738> sommerfeld, thanks
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[03:14:42] <jbk> hmm wasn't there some undocumented flag used to speed up pkgadd during installs?
[03:15:12] <Triskelios> if there is, I sure haven't noticed a speed-up
[03:16:02] <jbk> i think it's been in there for a while
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[03:16:18] <boyd> something about faastfs ?
[03:16:19] <jbk> though i'll be shocked if this works :)
[03:16:26] <Triskelios> does it just disable synchronisation?
[03:16:29] <jbk> boyd: that sounds familiar
[03:16:49] <jbk> i'm currently running b62 w/ zfs root
[03:17:09] <jbk> so for kicks, i'm trying to just pkgadd all the b70 packages to a new filesystem and see if it actually works :)
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[03:18:42] <Triskelios> I've done that for b53; there's some other fiddling you might have to do
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[03:19:47] <Triskelios> hm, onbld includes fastfs for BFUs
[03:21:28] <boyd> I think it's used for Live upgrade too
[03:21:55] <SYS64738> damn I am not able to mount that damned partition
[03:21:58] <Triskelios> I assume it's the same program casper wrote in 1994 that just turns on delayed I/O for UFS... probably similar result to enabling write cache
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[03:24:50] <boyd> I have a feeling that it's not useful with ufs logging
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[03:27:38] <sommerfeld> it's not
[03:27:58] <sommerfeld> logging gets you most of the benefit without any of the risk
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[03:34:09] <SYS64738> good night
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[03:47:53] <gdamore> fyi: the hme bugs in 70b are indeed fallout from nemoization of hme, and they are all so small that it was more work to separate them than to just deliver 'em together
[03:48:56] <jbk> hey gdamore
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[03:51:22] <gdamore> hey, wassup?
[03:51:53] <jbk> just attempting a poor man's upgrade to b70 :)
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[03:55:02] <gdamore> heh.  its called "bfu"
[03:55:28] <jbk> well that's just ON though right?
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[03:55:39] <gdamore> meanwhile, i have shelved my "poor mans computer" (celeron 700MHz, 128MB) since it couldn't netboot b70
[03:55:46] <gdamore> bfu is only ON, yes, that's right.
[03:55:59] <jbk> i'm just doing a pkgadd to a clean filesystem
[03:56:13] <gdamore> good luck.  you're a braver man than I.
[03:57:16] <jbk> i still have the original
[03:57:48] <nachox> cool, the reference to ssh is being removed from the restricted shells section of the security guide :)
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[04:59:32] <jbk> hmm almost worked
[04:59:37] <jbk> but it can't find the ramdisk
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[05:31:38] <Tempt> !seen moazamraja
[05:31:50] <Drone> moazamraja is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 28 Aug 2007 15:31 GMT, saying 'arm wrestling?'.
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[05:40:33] <Triskelios> is there a way with Studio to generate depedency files like with gcc's -MM option?
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[05:46:51] <sommerfeld> Triskelios: not exactly the same, but see documentation for the .KEEP_STATE solaris make directive
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[06:13:06] <Tempt> finally, new colo server goes online tonight.
[06:13:20] <Tempt> No more x86 nonsense.
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[06:21:12] <gnut> hi all
[06:22:06] <kaiwai> hi
[06:22:11] <kaiwai> kinda sad there is no SXCE B71
[06:22:34] <gnut> it will come soon
[06:22:36] <kaiwai> anyway, has anyone come accross a cd drive related bug in the latest build (from the current directory)
[06:22:52] <gnut> i'm having issuess mounting a usb hard drive
[06:23:10] <kaiwai> I've been having problem with a standard built in one included with my laptop
[06:23:13] <gnut> rmformat -l shows the drive as there, but there's no entry in /media and rmmount doesn't let me mount it
[06:23:19] <kaiwai> same here
[06:23:32] <gnut> b70?
[06:23:46] <kaiwai> na, from the dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current
[06:23:55] <kaiwai> IIRC is dated 28/09/07
[06:23:59] <gnut> ah...bleeding edge
[06:24:10] <gnut> really bloody
[06:24:23] <kaiwai> yeah, was going to lodge a bug report, but don't want to chock the bug reporter with stuff already known about
[06:26:38] <gnut> hmm
[06:26:47] <gnut> i'm trying to mount a FreeBSD  hard drive in opensolaris
[06:26:49] <gnut> it is UFS
[06:27:08] <gnut> but mount returns the error saying NOTICE: mount: not a UFS magic number (0x0)
[06:28:13] <jmcp> gnut: that's not Solaris' ufs
[06:28:22] <gnut> jmcp: ah!
[06:28:23] <jmcp> that's FreeBSD's ufs ... which is obviously different
[06:28:29] <gnut> freebsd UFS and solaris UFS are incompatible?
[06:28:34] <gnut> yeah... hmm
[06:28:35] <gnut> okay.
[06:28:39] <gnut> is there any way to mount freebsd UFS?
[06:28:55] <kaiwai> they're not compatible IIRC
[06:29:07] <kaiwai> not all UFS's are the same
[06:29:08] <jmcp> not on your opensolaris machine, unless you've got a freebsd box to mount it on and share out via nfs
[06:29:17] <gnut> i'm going to guess not since rmvolmgr doesn't automatically mount it
[06:29:24] <gnut> ok
[06:29:27] <gnut> darn
[06:29:30] <gnut> i need this data :)
[06:29:33] <gnut> oh well
[06:29:38] <gnut> i have a freebsd machine at wotrk
[06:29:39] <gnut> i'll do that
[06:29:46] <gnut> thanks jmcp kaiwai
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[06:32:18] <kaiwai> hmm
[06:32:21] <kaiwai> that was strange
[06:33:43] <Tempt> anyone wanting a cackle, head to comp.unix.solaris and look for this thread:  cd burning software for Solaris 10 SPARC
[06:33:46] <Tempt> many lols.
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[06:37:26] <sponix> hey
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[06:41:51] <jmcp> hi sponix, hi martin
[06:42:00] <jmcp> bochnig: are you still maintaining qemu for solaris?
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[06:51:33] <boyd> Tempt: let me guess... a certain teutonic sonftware author is involved?
[06:52:01] <Tempt> yeah, and a certain tosser who was upset because midnight commander wouldn't open aforementioned author's tarballs
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[06:52:32] <boyd> Ha!
[06:52:35] <Tempt> OH NOES, MIDNIGHT COMMANDER SAYS DOES NOT WANT, J00 MAKE CRAIP SOFTWAREZ!
[06:52:48] <masta> lol
[06:52:53] <Tempt> Which, of course, let to aforementioned software author bleating about poor tar implementations
[06:53:08] <Tempt> rinse and repeat for 60 something replies deep
[06:53:35] <Tempt> and in a final move of propping up aforementioned author's ego, MC-boy bows out and declares aforementioned author to be right.
[06:53:51] <masta> pooor poor tar, replaced by pax... but no love for pax
[06:54:15] <bochnig> jmcp, sorry, have been away: no and yes.
[06:54:18] <Tempt> pax? does anyone use pax?
[06:54:24] * boyd cheers aformentioned... Boo for MC
[06:54:34] <boyd> Tempt: I've been known to.
[06:55:07] <Tempt> type 'man pax' looks like some sort of disturbing hygiene product
[06:55:30] <masta> yea... the result of the archiver wars in the early 90's
[06:55:41] <jmcp> bochnig: no and yes?
[06:55:44] <boyd> The name is very clever..
[06:55:47] <bochnig> delewis, jamesd: I'm just reading Alan Coopersmith's blog and found out, that Xorg is soon going to be officially supported on Sun Ray, but better read yourself:  http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/fox/build_inst
[06:55:56] <kaiwai> hi jmcp
[06:55:59] <jmcp> hi kaiwai
[06:56:17] <bochnig> jmcp: I'm monitoring developments, i.e. today the gcc4.1.x patch
[06:56:34] <jmcp> bochnig: ok
[06:56:35] <kaiwai> 4.1.x patch?
[06:56:36] <masta> hey anybody think it's possible to use a branded binary outside a zone?
[06:56:55] <kaiwai> hmm, it would be nice if they could update GCC in the sfw dir
[06:56:56] <Tempt> yaaay! my sunrays can crash! yaaaay!
[06:56:56] <masta> like freebsd brandelf
[06:57:27] <masta> which is where they apparently took the zone branding
[06:57:33] <kaiwai> hmm, nothing wrong with Xorg
[06:57:38] <bochnig> jmcp: You are doing a great job. That made it unnecessary to publish anything qemu realated.
[06:58:03] <jmcp> bochnig: thankyou ... but are you sure you're not confusing me with somebody else?
[06:58:05] <bochnig> kaiwai: On Sol10 or Nevada ?
[06:58:12] <kaiwai> then again, I've got two gigs of pleasure sitting on my lap, so I guess things work out great
[06:58:20] <bochnig> This might break gcc-building ON
[06:58:23] <kaiwai> kaiwai: Nevada
[06:58:29] <Tempt> I can't wait to have my SunRay's X server crashing.
[06:58:30] <kaiwai> ah
[06:58:35] <Tempt> It'll be just like Ubuntu on my craptop then!
[06:58:50] <Tempt> Remember, the lowest common denominator is the *fair* solution.
[06:59:01] <bochnig> I just rebuilt b71 with __GNUC and __GNUC64 set (in env file plus in Makefile.master)
[06:59:06] <bochnig> on sparc
[06:59:19] <kaiwai> Tempt: so we're going to see LLVM soon once cing has been done? :P
[06:59:42] <Tempt> And replacing UFS with reiserfs!
[06:59:45] <Tempt> or ext15
[06:59:50] <bochnig> jmcp: Sorry, I never wrote you that promised longer response ...
[06:59:56] <kaiwai> it'll be gcc free by then
[06:59:59] <masta> fat64!
[07:00:06] <jmcp> masta: wash your mouth out!
[07:00:10] <masta> lol
[07:00:23] * jmcp spits on FAT...... nasty dodgy excuse for a file corruption system
[07:00:23] <masta> I actually wrote a fat64 driver, sheesh
[07:00:40] <kaiwai> hopefully with the contributions Apple makes, more gnuisms will be perged from opensoruce stuff
[07:00:43] <masta> pardon me if my tools are the only thing that can mount the dang volume
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[07:01:01] <jmcp> masta: pragmatism is important
[07:01:02] <jmcp> use what works
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[07:01:47] <kaiwai> damn this is crap
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[07:02:08] <jmcp> kaiwai: it's because you're living it nuhzuhlund
[07:02:14] <masta> jmcp: thanks I think
[07:02:15] <kaiwai> Windows Vista has more bugs than a whore on K road
[07:02:22] <jmcp> :-)
[07:02:36] <jmcp> masta: hence I do actually have a system with windowsXP on it - purely so I can run photoshop
[07:03:02] <jmcp> I certainly don't *want* to have to do that, but it's what I need
[07:03:29] <masta> jmcp: it was me being mad about 4gb files, lifted that one... then I found out only I was the one on earth with the support... nobody cares
[07:03:44] <jmcp> I bet they wondered why you weren't using ntfs
[07:03:51] <kaiwai> jmcp: I'd suggest wine but they seem to think the world revolves around Linux
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[07:04:00] * masta bangs his head on something
[07:04:01] <jmcp> kaiwai: wine is meant to be drunk
[07:04:09] <jmcp> masta: here, I've got a rock you can use
[07:04:31] <masta> thanks
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[07:05:15] <Tempt> All this open source is overrated. Bring back good ol' closed source operating systems. No Xorg.
[07:05:34] <masta> ok so really... I like to dink on the vfs layers... working ony a bfs module at some point
[07:05:36] <kaiwai> hmm, fox will be good once done
[07:06:05] <mbochnig_away> Tempt: If YOU keep up with writing all the drvs on x86, then ok (aeh, for free)
[07:06:23] <Tempt> Screw x86, SPARC, baby, SPARC.
[07:06:46] * masta nods
[07:07:00] <mbochnig_away> Tempt:  That's exactly what I am saying all the time   :-)
[07:07:17] <mbochnig_away> No RISC, No fun ...
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[07:07:24] <Tempt> That's right.
[07:07:35] <masta> the x86 has too few instructions.. and sparc is supposed to be risc... sheesh
[07:08:04] <mbochnig_away> ??
[07:08:24] <masta> see sparc asm sometime
[07:08:32] <kaiwai> hmm, nothing wrong with x86
[07:08:58] <kaiwai> its like an ak47, its not pretty but gets the job done - and lots of people like using them
[07:09:35] <masta> ok, the x86 is not an ak47.... hrm... more like a shot gun...
[07:09:48] <mbochnig_away> masta: books are in front of me (sparc and x86), all important ones
[07:09:49] <jmcp> bluderbuss
[07:09:52] <jmcp> blunderbuss, even
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[07:10:35] <masta> the sparc4 asm blows masta away... not very risc
[07:10:56] <masta> but the x86 is not very cisc I guess too
[07:11:11] * kaiwai grumbles about the good old 68K processor
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[07:11:29] <dwc-> x86 has too few instructions?
[07:12:16] <masta> dwc-: I suppose no... it might be just me
[07:13:24] <masta> for an imperitive lang, converting the compiler is a bish on sparc4
[07:13:47] <masta> can only wonder what is goign on in the erlang world
[07:13:50] <Tempt> Oh, screw x86
[07:13:55] <masta> bah
[07:14:01] <Tempt> Come on, even intel wishes it'd go away
[07:14:35] <palowoda> Tempt: And when you wake up tomorrow it will all be the same.
[07:14:36] <WickedWicky> haha
[07:14:41] <Tempt> The only reasons x86 keeps around is people love windows
[07:14:48] <Tempt> closet windows-users, all of you
[07:14:52] <Tempt> I bet you even run penguinOS
[07:14:59] <WickedWicky> let's bring back Windows for Alpha
[07:15:03] <palowoda> Tempt: All of them.
[07:15:17] <masta> x86 is good for pr0n
[07:15:32] <Tempt> That's bloody worrying
[07:15:41] <masta> lol
[07:15:42] <WickedWicky> from first hand I can tell you that pr0n looks great on solaris as well when using mplayer
[07:15:45] <WickedWicky> :P
[07:16:02] <WickedWicky> anyway, gonna make a coffee
[07:16:07] <Tempt> Is that left hand or right hand?
[07:16:08] <WickedWicky> hey all
[07:16:12] <WickedWicky> I am a lefty!
[07:16:13] <masta> pron is the trus test of an OS, and ARCH
[07:16:13] <kaiwai> depends on what you want to do I guess
[07:16:22] <WickedWicky> kaiwai: when watching pr0n?
[07:16:27] <masta> /trus/true/g
[07:16:47] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: true, its nice and reliable
[07:16:58] <bda> (Penny-Arcade)++
[07:17:08] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: nothing annoys me more than the OS or video freezing halfway through some entertainment
[07:17:29] <WickedWicky> indeed! I hate that!
[07:18:04] <kaiwai> "Solaris: The OS when you want a good jerk"
[07:18:23] <Tempt> What a load of toss
[07:18:26] <Tempt> wankers
[07:18:44] <kaiwai> I know tempt
[07:19:22] <masta> kaiwai: saddly, the internet is for pr0n... thus solaris must support pron... err.. those codex... thankfully the flash support that is bought by sun will increase that support
[07:19:46] <masta> sun has a master plan
[07:20:00] <masta> youtube videos and pron
[07:20:10] <masta> the rest is futile
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[07:20:29] <kaiwai> if you took all the porn off the internet there would be one site remaining, its goal, 'bring back the porn'
[07:21:16] * Tempt replaces WickedWicky's pr0n stash with gay pr0n and kaiwai's stash with straight pr0n
[07:21:37] <WickedWicky> word has it that when the technical university of Twente (a uni around here) has a data center problem, half of europe will miss his porn
[07:21:38] * kaiwai cries and see's his favourite friend shrink
[07:21:42] <WickedWicky> ey
[07:21:47] <WickedWicky> dont mess with my latinas
[07:22:15] <kaiwai> hmm, what a co-incidence, I have latino ones too
[07:22:18] <WickedWicky> ..
[07:22:40] <WickedWicky> I am not interested in exchanging, thank you though
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[07:23:18] <WickedWicky> okay, shower, coffee, and then making phone calls to see if they found my ipod and phone in the bus
[07:23:26] <WickedWicky> knowing this country, I wont ever see them back
[07:23:27] <Tempt> aah yeah
[07:23:32] <Tempt> like you'll be seeing that iPod ever again
[07:23:36] <WickedWicky> nope
[07:23:50] <kaiwai> hmm, thank god I don't have an ipod
[07:23:51] <Tempt> you could be in the fucking country of angels incapable of lying or thieving and you'd lose the ipod
[07:24:02] <WickedWicky> the phone is rendered pretty useless. I had the simm plus EIMA code blocked
[07:24:16] <Tempt> You mean IMEI
[07:24:21] <WickedWicky> that one
[07:24:28] * Tempt glances at his iPod. Still there, still playing, still good.
[07:24:47] <WickedWicky> I dont care for the ipod but i do care for the music that was on it
[07:25:23] <WickedWicky> entire ministry of sound collection, spinal tap, gorgol bodelo
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[07:25:46] <WickedWicky> ah well, long live broadband
[07:25:47] <Tempt> You telling me the *only* copy of that music was on a fragile losable stealable mobile device with a single unmirrored crappy disk?
[07:25:50] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: ministry of sound - I assume the club kiddy collection
[07:25:59] <WickedWicky> kaiwai: yes
[07:26:11] <Tempt> MoS - the Caaaaaandy collection.
[07:26:14] <WickedWicky> Tempt: well no, I had a copy on my server, then I fucked up my ZFS
[07:26:27] <Tempt> and your backups?
[07:26:37] <WickedWicky> I dont have tape drives
[07:26:45] <kaiwai> hmm, I thought it was Kandi
[07:27:00] <Tempt> *Why* is it so many IT professionals have no backups?
[07:27:11] <Tempt> despite being the first to advise others on backups
[07:27:14] <WickedWicky> cause we dont get funding for proper backup systems
[07:27:19] <kaiwai> I have backups, then again, I'm not an expert
[07:27:26] <WickedWicky> yea, I tell everybody to be gentle and tactfull to girls as well
[07:27:29] <WickedWicky> look at me
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[07:27:57] <Tempt> depends how you define gentle and tactful
[07:28:11] <WickedWicky> "you think I should lose weight?" "wouldnt hurt"
[07:28:29] <WickedWicky> I could have said bluntly "yes"
[07:28:31] <kaiwai> wrong
[07:28:39] <kaiwai> "you're perfect just the way you are"
[07:28:50] <WickedWicky> dont ask questions if you dont wanna hear the answers
[07:28:58] <jmcp> "no, your arse does not look fat in that pair of jeans"
[07:29:05] <WickedWicky> HAHA
[07:29:18] <WickedWicky> well I dont have a gf to start with, hence the need for pr0n
[07:29:37] <WickedWicky> ok, really gone now
[07:29:38] <WickedWicky> ciao
[07:29:47] <kaiwai> see ya
[07:30:17] * kaiwai has porn and a few friends when the need arises
[07:31:43] <kaiwai> hmm, mind you Windows Vista is looking alot nicer with the latest updates
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[07:49:55] <boyd> D'oh! Does anyone remember the fix for "ld.so.1: cconsole: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/SUNWcluster/bin/cconsole: symbol XmeXpmCreatePixmapFromData: referenced symbol not found"
[07:50:07] <boyd> It was a preload or something IIRC
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[07:52:35] <boyd> ahh:  < alanc> boyd: closest to a one-liner would be cp S10 libXm.so somewhere and LD_LIBRARY_PATH it
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[07:55:18] <trochej> Elo, 'morning
[07:55:19] <trochej> Coffee?
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[07:55:27] <Tempt> boyd: While you're there, can you confirm that the path for ccradm hasn't changed?
[07:55:31] <Tempt> (in 3.2)
[07:55:50] <boyd> It hasn't AFAIK
[07:56:00] <Tempt> Aah, goodgood.
[07:56:01] <boyd> And I think I'd have noticed
[07:56:20] <Tempt> ccradm - another vital SC tool that is lacking documentation
[07:56:57] <Tempt> Do you teach manually repairing CCR in your class?
[07:58:54] <boyd> Only a little...
[07:59:11] <Tempt> IIRC, the SunCluster documentation doesn't even cover it.
[07:59:29] <WickedWicky> they tell you how to edit the file manually, calculate a new checksum
[07:59:32] <WickedWicky> and that's about it
[07:59:51] <boyd> I cover ccradm, scsi and pgre
[08:00:14] <boyd> Mostly as pointers... if you can't work out how to use them after an example you probably shouldn't be running them
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[08:01:22] <Tempt> That's a very reasonable attitude.
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[08:06:20] <LeftWing> Tempt: Creedence Clearwater admin utility? ;)
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[08:06:37] <Tempt> LeftWing: That's the one!
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[08:28:22] <tsp> waht'sa fienc'e?
[08:28:33] <tsp> wrong channel...
[08:28:39] <boyd> Yes, I think so :)
[08:28:48] <boyd> Tempt: http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/2007/08/20/an-illustrated-coffee-guide/
[08:29:05] <Tempt> hmm
[08:29:11] <tsp> at least that's better then pasting my password to 200+ people the other day
[08:29:16] <boyd> lol...
[08:29:22] * boyd scrolls back
[08:29:27] <tsp> it wasn't here :)
[08:29:32] <boyd> poo :(
[08:29:39] <Tempt> Oh, that's nifty.
[08:30:02] <tsp> ah, figured out waht it was, google's dictionary actually works :)
[08:30:13] <boyd> Their pronunciation is a little off...
[08:30:31] <tsp> mostly I just need definitions though
[08:30:39] <Tempt> Yes, and the order is wrong
[08:30:56] <boyd> There's an order?
[08:31:05] <jmcp> boyd: of the phoenix
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[08:31:43] <tsp> I hated that book
[08:31:44] <Tempt> The magical order of ingredients into cup
[08:31:47] <Tempt> Not to be messed with
[08:31:59] <boyd> Oh, I thought you meant the order of the drinks.
[08:32:04] <Tempt> determined by the underground coffee cabal
[08:32:11] <Tempt> (TINC)
[08:32:25] <tsp> cabal... Ultimate Universe bbs door game
[08:32:40] <Tempt> Hmm, haven't played any BBS games in ages
[08:32:45] 
[08:32:51] <tsp> I wonder if I could get lord going under xp
[08:33:09] <Tempt> tsp: Given I have an entire BBS running under XP, the answer is yes.
[08:33:51] <tsp> got any good tradewars games up?
[08:33:56] <tsp> or space based doors
[08:34:07] * tsp is bored
[08:34:09] <Tempt> man, it gets like one login per two weeks
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[08:34:19] <Tempt> besides, my ansi art would murder your screen reader
[08:34:28] <tsp> ansi art? I can turn off punctuation
[08:34:33] <boyd> See door_call(3C)
[08:34:54] <tsp> what's the telnet address? if it's up that is
[08:35:19] <Tempt> bbs.purplecow.orgg
[08:35:22] <Tempt> bbs.purplecow.org
[08:35:29] <bda> .arrrgh
[08:35:55] * boyd isn't sure he can telnet out
[08:36:33] <boyd> My Eyes! My Eyes! It Burns!
[08:36:52] <Tempt> I don't even know if it's working.
[08:36:55] <Tempt> Let me log in
[08:37:05] <Tempt> new user passwd is NUP btw
[08:37:06] <Tempt> heh.
[08:37:07] <boyd> I think it's working but I can't see anymore...
[08:37:56] <Tempt> haha, PCBoard
[08:37:59] <boyd> Wow... (517 min left) I haven't seen that for *soooo* long
[08:38:01] <Tempt> land of pretty lightbars and .. shit
[08:38:06] <Stric> yeah, good old pcb ;)
[08:38:21] <Tempt> I gave up before getting fidonet working with pcb
[08:38:25] <Tempt> just used ezycom for that
[08:38:41] <boyd> I can't remember what sw the BBSs I used had
[08:39:20] <Tempt> I meant to fix it up but the inspiration ran out kinda quickly.
[08:39:36] <boyd> Mine ran out before I created an account :)
[08:39:45] <Tempt> heh
[08:41:47] <tsp> there we go :)
[08:41:54] <Tempt> access granted, log in
[08:43:20] <tsp> sweet :) this sounds nothing like a pcboard
[08:44:30] <WickedWicky> well guess what? they didnt find my phone and ipod
[08:45:02] * tsp checks.. JD software is still selling falcons eye :)
[08:45:42] <tsp> or they were when I checked... cupple weeks ago :)
[08:46:06] <Tempt> Yep.
[08:46:07] <Tempt> I liked FE
[08:46:15] <Tempt> Bit dull with noone to play against though.
[08:47:47] <tsp> unregistered? lol
[08:48:29] <Tempt> Oh, yeah, I was going to run out and pay for FE for my nostalgia BBS.
[08:48:51] <tsp> its so old you can probably crack it :)
[08:50:05] <tsp> although trying to find it amongst all of the other useless modern ones wouldn't exactly be easy either
[08:51:48] <Tempt> Mm
[08:52:01] <Tempt> If people actually started using the BBS I'd probably install more stuff and look after it a bit more.
[08:52:04] * boyd goes back to real life
[08:52:08] <boyd> See ya all
[08:53:13] <WickedWicky> be good
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[09:07:27] <virumandi> [help] where can see the mapmalloc library function implentations?.. confused with the code path? could some moe help me?
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[09:27:08] <tsp> wow, kermit's still alive and kicking after all this time
[09:30:33] <renihs> i heard minicom is better
[09:30:38] <renihs> but i use kermit too
[09:31:30] <tsp> minicom? hardly
[09:31:44] <tsp> I can run kermit on anything from dos to solaris to linux
[09:32:12] <renihs> ya no argument from me :p
[09:32:17] <tsp> I could probably even transfer something through if using screen on two ends of a remote link by telling kermit to prefix ^a :)
[09:32:30] <renihs> however people in solaris always told me to use something "usefull" like minicom
[09:32:31] <renihs> :p
[09:32:58] <tsp> I would go back to ms-dos for my terminal if the screen readers were a bit more modern
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[09:33:38] <renihs> ms-dos? is ...hmm
[09:33:50] <renihs> one thread?
[09:35:42] <micken> anything with rs232 and modem will do
[09:36:06] <tsp> ms-dos, screen reader and speech synth, worked great for years
[09:36:25] <micken> bah
[09:36:41] <micken> I used my trusty c64
[09:36:43] <WickedWicky> let's not forget the program parrot , shipped with your Sound Blaster
[09:37:00] <tsp> omg, I remember sbtalker
[09:37:07] <WickedWicky> haha
[09:37:15] <tsp> it worked with tinytalk, you could not get it to shut up if you were using the com port
[09:37:32] <tsp> I had to install slackware with it or something, the never touched it again
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[10:24:39] <Atomdrache> Okay, I just installed OSS in SXCE in order to get a program to work and it appears that not only is OSS broken, but the Sun sound system was also hosed in the process.  OSS can't detect any sound devices, and to test things I tried to play a file in XMMS.  Says "couldn't open device."  What might I do to fix this?
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[10:55:46] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: is OSS supposed to support your hardware?
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[10:57:42] <Atomdrache> Yes.
[10:57:46] <Atomdrache> It's on the list.
[10:58:03] <Fish> hello
[10:58:39] <Atomdrache> prtconf gives SUNW,CS4231, instance #9 (driver name: audiocs)
[10:59:03] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: audiocs is not an OSS driver
[10:59:13] <Atomdrache> CS4231 is a Crystal Lake sound card.  OSS supports that exact model.
[10:59:14] <Triskelios> you're still using the native driver
[10:59:21] <Atomdrache> So how do I make it stop doing that?
[10:59:53] <Triskelios> presumably by removing it from driver_aliases
[11:00:18] <CIA-16> dh155122: 6557414 autopush doesn't work in exclusive-IP zones, 6574920 device_policy based privilege checking doesn't work well with sys_net_config/sys_ip_config
[11:00:20] <Triskelios> not sure why you want the OSS driver if the normal driver works, though
[11:00:35] <Atomdrache> It's to install some software which requires OSS for whatever reason.
[11:00:48] <Atomdrache> I was reluctant to do that because, ell, the normal driver worked (until I installed OSS, anyway).
[11:01:21] <Atomdrache> Can I just comment out the line in /etc/driver_aliases?
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[11:02:03] <Triskelios> not sure if the file is supposed to accept comments
[11:02:45] <Triskelios> I suggest you edit it and make a backup. rem_drv will also edit it
[11:02:49] <Atomdrache> I'll move the old one to--yeah.
[11:03:23] <Atomdrache> Okay, that's done.
[11:03:26] <Atomdrache> What next?
[11:04:04] <Triskelios> make sure the OSS replacement has a similar alias
[11:04:57] <Triskelios> I would reboot at this point unless you want to unload all of the audio-related drivers by hand
[11:05:13] <Atomdrache> Yes, I think I'll do that.
[11:05:20] <Atomdrache> OSS should add the driver itself.
[11:05:40] <Triskelios> a fresh install should have the right aliases, yeah
[11:07:13] <Atomdrache> If rebooting doesn't work, should I pkgrm and pkgadd it again and see if it does anything?
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[11:13:00] <Atomdrache> Keeps giving me "SNDCTL_SYSINFO: No such device or address"
[11:13:10] <Atomdrache> prtconf says the sound card is there, but that no driver is attached.
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[11:15:17] <e^ipi> you'd think by now i'd be smart enough to pay the extra money to get what I need, instead of buying something cheaper & hacking it to do what I want
[11:15:20] <e^ipi> but no
[11:19:01] <Atomdrache> No luck.
[11:19:06] <Atomdrache> I'll try reinstalling OSS.
[11:21:14] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: if it's missing the driver alias, do add update_drv -a -i '"SUNW,CS4231"' <name>
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[11:21:39] <Atomdrache> I'll give that a try once OSS is done reinstalling.
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[11:21:51] <Atomdrache> Except...I don't know the name of the driver.
[11:22:15] <Atomdrache> Should I go dig that up on Google or such?
[11:22:31] <Triskelios> um, sure
[11:22:44] <Triskelios> their documentation should also say
[11:24:34] <Atomdrache> How do I display which drivers are installed?
[11:26:14] <Triskelios> ls /kernel/drv
[11:31:15] <Atomdrache> Well, I'm lost at this point.
[11:31:24] <Atomdrache> Does anybody know how to make OSS work in SXCE?
[11:31:49] <Atomdrache> I know people have done it.  I just can't find much information on how.
[11:32:30] <kjetilho> do you guys prefer to use GNU binutils with GCC, or SunStudio?
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[11:32:49] <Atomdrache> Whichever works.
[11:32:52] <Atomdrache> I have both installed.
[11:33:26] * kjetilho is trying to compile GCC 4.2.1 using Solaris' ld, ar etc, and it fails in mysterious ways.
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[11:33:47] <kjetilho> (those are not really related to SunStudio, come to think of it.)
[11:35:46] * kjetilho tries again, with gas.
[11:36:58] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: just get the right driver attached, and it'll probably work
[11:38:22] <Atomdrache> It should have been downloaded with OSS.  Do you know where OSS keeps drivers?
[11:39:05] <Atomdrache> Maybe I can just use the one that should be there, because I'm not finding one with Google so wel.
[11:39:08] <Atomdrache> l
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[11:39:21] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: /kernel/drv with all the rest of the drivers...
[11:39:56] <Atomdrache> How do I tell which drivers are the OSS drivers?
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[11:41:42] <Atomdrache> Not sure they're in there.
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[11:43:25] <Atomdrache> Eh, I'm too sleepy. I'll try to get the Sun audio system working again and go to sleep.
[11:44:15] <Triskelios> pkgchk -l will list files in the package. I remember OSS having decent documentation anyway
[11:46:29] <Atomdrache> But do you remember what all you had to do in order to install it in SXCE?
[11:47:09] <Atomdrache> I just did pkgrm oss and fixed driver_aliases.  Hopefully that'll do what I need, as far as making OSS go away until I'm more awake.
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[11:47:33] <kaiwai> hmm, then reboot to kill off the drivers IIRC
[11:47:41] <Atomdrache> I am.
[11:48:21] <Atomdrache> Eventually I would like to know how to install OSS and have it work, rather than take satisfaction in being fairly sure that I can get rid of it after it fails.
[11:49:08] <WickedWicky> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nothing sweeter than the sound of a Netra 240 on your disk with fans on spinning at full speed
[11:49:35] <Atomdrache> WickedWicky: Best I have to compare to it is the sound of a SPARCstation 20 on my desk with two enormous AC box fans bolted to it.
[11:49:40] <quasi> as long as it isn't on my desk
[11:49:43] <Atomdrache> It is, unfortunately, not a Netra.
[11:49:59] <WickedWicky> my coworkers dont agree with "nothing better"
[11:50:06] <quasi> WickedWicky: the 240 is still quiet compared to the new 1U boxes
[11:50:21] <WickedWicky> oh really?
[11:50:24] * WickedWicky rubs his hands
[11:50:45] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: I didn't have to do very much for OSS, I think it's supposed to remove the alias for the native driver when it installs. it also has some other drivers that might not be enabled by default (Sun audio emulation and some mixing stuff)
[11:51:25] <Triskelios> Atomdrache: it has some graphical tool you're supposed to run to check the install
[11:51:34] <Atomdrache> What's the tool called?
[11:51:39] <Triskelios> don't remember
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[11:52:03] <Atomdrache> osstest should work.
[11:52:04] <Triskelios> it's been a while since I've used it, it doesn't support my laptop's audio codec
[11:52:43] <kaiwai> hmm, I'm going to wait till my webcam is supported, Xorg is fully merged and opensound is merged - before reinstalling onmy laptop
[11:53:21] <Triskelios> kaiwai: what do you mean by "Xorg is fully merged"?
[11:53:33] <Berny> damn why do x4200 come without serial ports?
[11:54:03] <kaiwai> along with Xen support
[11:54:08] <Triskelios> kaiwai: wait, you also had the Ricoh webcam right?
[11:54:13] <Atomdrache> Ah...my sound works again.  All I had to do was stop trying to use OSS.  (After the fun I had getting it to work in Nexenta almost as well as most internal combustion engines work after a can of ball bearings has been emptied into the air intake, I am not, at present, inclined to try this again for a while.)  With that I should probably go to sleep.
[11:54:14] <ofu> Berny: rj45 serial port?
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[11:54:58] <Atomdrache> (That was a while ago.  Screw Nexenta.  They don't even have a SPARC port.)
[11:55:00] <Berny> ofu: only serial management not a "proper" serial port as far as i understand...
[11:55:26] <ofu> yes, you log in to the service processor, which connects to the host
[11:55:39] <ofu> with start /SP/console, stopping via ctrl (
[11:55:43] <Triskelios> Berny: just use USB
[11:55:51] <Berny> i need a serial port for the ups
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[11:56:13] <Berny> Triskelios: mind telling me which usb/serial adaptor works with solaris? :-)
[11:57:04] <Triskelios> Berny: the standard kind (not the cheapo $9 ones)
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[11:58:01] <Berny> define standard kind... which vendor/make? so far i've only seen the el cheapos here in germany :-\
[11:59:05] <Auralis> i have a keyspan, works fine out of the box with solaris, even sunrays
[12:00:15] <Triskelios> I think the most common ones that work use chipsets by prolific
[12:00:17] <Berny> hmm, lets google...
[12:01:39] <Triskelios> heh, looks like you can get the prolific ones for $9 in the states, actually
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[12:04:44] <Berny> hmm 25E here
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[12:14:10] <Tempt> haha
[12:14:13] <Tempt> new box racked.
[12:14:16] <Triskelios> ah, USB CDC compatible devices are also supported... some of them are even cheaper than the prolific ones
[12:14:23] * Triskelios grabs one for $6 off ebay
[12:14:56] <Tempt> Prolific works just fine.
[12:15:41] <Berny> if only them vendors would tell one which chip is inside
[12:16:00] <dlg> Berny: then they couldnt switch the chip as easily
[12:16:15] <dlg> that level of the market is incredibly strange
[12:16:15] <Berny> i know... thats what i would like :-)
[12:16:28] <Berny> buy two and have them identical 8-)
[12:17:09] <Tempt> I think the prolific are one of the cheapest, hence the most common
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[12:17:57] <umdstu_> hello
[12:18:16] * dlg know a uni that built a cluster using cdce as its interconnect
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[12:19:15] <umdstu_> anyone use exim?
[12:19:34] <nightswim> I hope so, otherwise they've developed an MTA for nothing
[12:20:04] <Tempt> exim ftw!
[12:20:21] <Berny> hmm, 6E on ebay...
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[12:22:11] <umdstu_> hah
[12:22:49] <umdstu_> i think i may have just found my solution
[12:23:06] <PerterB> we use it
[12:23:13] <umdstu_> i wasn't sure if you could include more then one directory in EXTRALIBS when compiling
[12:23:38] <umdstu_> make keeps failing because of libiconv, and i had to change the extralibs earlier for something else
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[12:23:52] <umdstu_> let me go see if this works
[12:23:55] <umdstu_> :)
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[12:29:07] <WickedWicky> ye gods, eminem hour on TMF
[12:29:34] <razrX> blegh
[12:29:41] <razrX> don't swear hear WickedWicky ;o)
[12:29:48] <razrX> here*
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[12:30:05] <razrX> curse w/e
[12:30:06] <WickedWicky> excuse me Mr. Garrison.. what I actually said was ...
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[12:30:29] <WickedWicky> but serious, this is pretty bad
[12:30:56] <WickedWicky> till the point my coworkers rather here the netra than the tv
[12:30:57] <WickedWicky> :P
[12:31:32] <umdstu_> lol
[12:31:51] <umdstu_> wish I could watch tv at work
[12:31:58] <umdstu_> we only get a few news channels
[12:32:37] <razrX> doesn't have TMF and/or MTV still have a, ahem, metal hour or something once in the week ?
[12:32:51] <razrX> crap, excuse the typing
[12:33:13] <WickedWicky> I think that's long gone
[12:33:22] <WickedWicky> we have the jumpstyle hour now once a week
[12:33:25] <razrX> not that that would help you since it used to be late at night
[12:33:50] <WickedWicky> to be honest I dont watch TMF too much, I dont like the breezer level of those channels, but we have to monitor the streams :s
[12:34:13] <razrX> i don't watch TV at all (not for music anyways, only for Formula 1 )
[12:34:20] <WickedWicky> good call
[12:34:28] * razrX nods
[12:34:52] <WickedWicky> this weekend is the champs car racing event, no?
[12:35:07] <razrX> dont watch that too i'm afraid ... used to tho
[12:35:24] <umdstu_> where you guys located
[12:35:33] <razrX> holland, fucking europe
[12:35:38] <WickedWicky> same
[12:35:43] <WickedWicky> not much of fucking going on though
[12:35:47] <tsp> British Columbia, Canada
[12:35:51] <WickedWicky> EH!
[12:35:52] <umdstu_> gotcha
[12:35:53] <umdstu_> hah
[12:35:56] <umdstu_> usa here
[12:36:04] <umdstu_> maryland
[12:36:07] <umdstu_> well, DC
[12:36:09] <tsp> omg... downloading bbs doors at 3 kb/s is like the old days
[12:36:20] <WickedWicky> tsp: hook me up with some seasons of Corner Gas
[12:36:29] <tsp> ?
[12:36:32] <WickedWicky> ..
[12:36:36] <WickedWicky> dont tell me you dont know that series
[12:36:43] <tsp> its a tv show?
[12:36:48] <WickedWicky> yeah! one of the best
[12:36:53] * tsp doesn't have a tv :)
[12:36:55] <Tempt> tsp: Haha, let me know if you want me to install them
[12:37:06] <WickedWicky> http://www.cornergas.com/
[12:37:12] <WickedWicky> tsp: oh :P
[12:38:06] <tsp> hmm I was just about to mirror thebbs archives, but downloading several hundred megs at least at 3 kb/s doesn't seem that fast :)
[12:38:14] <Tempt> heh.
[12:38:24] <Tempt> Have you watched (or listened) to the BBS Documentary?
[12:38:30] <tsp> nope
[12:38:36] <Tempt> To be honest, you don't need to see it, just hear the stories
[12:38:43] <tsp> heh I used to call up local bbss
[12:39:08] <tsp> screen readers back then ignored everything above ascii 127 :)
[12:39:30] <tsp> although my external synth still does which is good for calling them up through telnet
[12:41:05] <tsp> even today, you can go on a bbs and find files that you'd have no hope of tracking down on the web :) or the other way round
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[12:45:12] <Triskelios> what are the more interesting ones that are still around (this was mostly before my time)?
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[12:46:45] <tsp> hmm, not many around, most of them are synchronets
[12:46:58] <tsp> googling telnet bbs list brings them right up :)
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[12:51:00] <tsp> I used to play lord, trade wars, then started playing everything locally once I got a cd full of doors :) unfortunately the cd died, and I had no backups
[12:54:41] <WickedWicky> $<msgbuf should give me the kernel panic of a machine, no?
[12:57:34] <Triskelios> don't forget $C
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[13:15:54] <Tempt> HA! Webserver replaced and website already running faster.
[13:18:00] <bda> Heh.
[13:19:01] <Tempt> from x86 to SPARC, can't beat a move like that.
[13:19:15] <dlg> which machine to which?
[13:19:25] <Tempt> From Sun/Cobalt LX50 to Sun Fire V210
[13:19:37] <dlg> thats not fair
[13:19:41] <dlg> duplo computer to technics computer
[13:20:01] <bda> Seriously. :P
[13:20:36] <Tempt> The LX50 is going to be upgraded a little and then reinstalled with SXCE and re-racked.
[13:21:07] <Tempt> and my V100 is coming out of colo and can move back in here and play with the other purple boxes.
[13:21:08] <dlg> dont they have strange boot conditions?
[13:21:13] <dlg> or is that something else im thinking of?
[13:21:16] <renihs> indeed unfair :p
[13:21:24] <Tempt> The SX install has specific LX50 boot options
[13:21:32] <Tempt> They just make sure the serial console works
[13:21:38] <dlg> cheeky
[13:21:46] <dlg> maybe i should ask for doco on the cobalts
[13:21:54] <Tempt> what doco?
[13:21:56] <Tempt> It's a peecee
[13:21:59] <Tempt> with a serial console.
[13:22:02] <Tempt> That's about it.
[13:22:22] <Tempt> I think Sun has already completely opened the original Cobalt Linux stuff.
[13:22:28] <flyingparchment> wasn't the lx50 one of the cheap, crappy intels sun used to sell?
[13:22:50] <Tempt> Yes, the LX50 was Sun's placement in the "everyone must have a cheap linux targetted machine"
[13:23:01] <ofu> ah, pentium3 stuff
[13:23:02] <Tempt> Sun's only Linux marketted machine and I run Solx86 on it ;)
[13:23:05] <Tempt> dual p3
[13:23:47] <bda> You know what. If you woke me up getting railed by my roommate three times over the course of the night, you don't get to give me dirty looks for listening to Dropkick Murphys at 0700.
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[13:24:06] <WickedWicky> Dropkick Murhys rules!
[13:24:11] <ofu> yes!
[13:24:15] <bda> Tempt: How are you dealing with SXCE updates?
[13:24:19] <WickedWicky> Floggin Molly! \o/
[13:24:20] <Tempt> Dropkick Murphies FTW!
[13:24:23] <bda> WickedWicky: Indeed! They are playing with FM ON MY BIRTHDAY. :)
[13:24:31] <Tempt> EVEN BETTER: SFORZANDO!
[13:24:38] <Tempt> (a local Melbourne band)
[13:24:38] <WickedWicky> that's a kick ass birthday bash!
[13:24:41] <bda> srsly
[13:24:48] <Tempt> bda: I haven't reinstalled the LX50, so I have no idea.
[13:25:06] <bda> ah. :)
[13:25:08] <Tempt> To be honest, given my roaring hatred for things with grubs in it'll probably end up running OpenBSD
[13:25:20] <bda> OBSD++
[13:25:42] <Tempt> It'd make a kick arse OpenBSD box, so that might be the perfect role for it. A bit of platform diversity is always good.
[13:26:11] <Tempt> Given I'd be recompiling too much stuff for x86 anyway, I might as well change OS.
[13:26:15] <cmihai> Heh, OpenBSD rocks :-).
[13:26:23] <cmihai> Makes a sweet as mail gateway with CARP and stuff.
[13:26:26] <bda> Aye. I've run carp+pfsync bitz in the past. Haven't had a chance to use hoststated yet, and am looking forward to it.
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[13:26:42] <cmihai> Filtering 10k mails no problems :-)
[13:26:43] * dlg feel warm and fuzzy
[13:26:48] <cmihai>  /hour that is
[13:26:53] <bda> Heh.
[13:26:56] <Tempt> Heh
[13:27:03] <Tempt> I've seen OpenVMS doing a lot more than that.
[13:27:07] <cmihai> Greylisting stops like 10 mil / month, that rocks :-)
[13:27:25] <bda> Our MXes run 10-30k mail an hour, with uh, lots of checks.
[13:27:30] <cmihai> Tempt: Well, to be honest, we had a OpenVMS Alpha machine doing the same before :P
[13:27:32] <bda> (Linux)
[13:27:52] <Tempt> My OpenVMS Alpha will be online very shortly.
[13:28:25] <cmihai> Getting an Alpha box?
[13:29:10] <bda> We have a couple Alphas at our hackspace, but I've never had a reason to shut the building off trying to boot them.
[13:29:22] <bda> My first nerd job, we had a dual Alpha that basically did nothing but build Debian on Alpha pkgs.
[13:29:26] <cmihai> Meh, they use less power then Itanium ;-)
[13:29:38] <dlg> cmihai: what doesnt?
[13:29:55] <Tempt> cmihai: Already bought the Alphaserver ES40, just need to go pick it up
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[13:30:21] <cmihai> Tempt: how many CPU? 4?
[13:30:30] <Tempt> yeah, 4 CPU, 8Gb RAM
[13:30:41] <cmihai> Is that EV68?
[13:30:50] <Tempt> Not *quite* sure
[13:30:54] <Tempt> Have to check.
[13:31:09] <bda> I lost interest in old hardware a long time ago.
[13:31:12] <bda> What do you do with it?
[13:31:25] <cmihai> bda: dude, EV68 isn't that old.
[13:31:39] <Tempt> I think they're six hundred something Mhz
[13:31:42] <cmihai> 833
[13:31:45] <bda> eh.
[13:31:46] <cmihai> or 633
[13:32:02] <cmihai> Man, that thing will walk all over the new Itanium garbage.
[13:32:05] <Tempt> 633...
[13:32:16] <Tempt> I'm thinking about making it public access like deathrow
[13:32:23] <Tempt> Except this has more grunt than all of deathrow together
[13:32:39] <cmihai> Pretty much :-)
[13:33:01] <Tempt> I'm getting an AlphaStation as well, so I can cluster them :)
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[13:34:05] <WickedWicky> < bda> What do you do with it?
[13:34:12] <WickedWicky> make it feel loved and apreciated
[13:34:40] <bda> Get a puppy.
[13:34:55] <WickedWicky> little puppies get big
[13:35:20] <jpdrawneek> unless you get a small breed of dog :)
[13:35:21] <bda> Even Alphas can't fetch your slippers.
[13:35:24] <kjetilho> not if you put it in a jar
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[13:35:43] <WickedWicky> we had two alaska malamutes, cute and all
[13:35:46] <WickedWicky> but man what a work
[13:35:49] <kjetilho> bonsai puppies -- the new rage
[13:35:52] <WickedWicky> lol
[13:35:59] <WickedWicky> bonsai puppies.. hoorah
[13:36:22] <WickedWicky> can you cut them in shapes?
[13:36:32] <Tempt> hey, one of the other sysadmins at my old job had malamutes too
[13:36:35] <Tempt> showdogs.
[13:36:39] <Tempt> prizewinning beasts.
[13:36:44] <WickedWicky> they kick ass
[13:36:54] <bda> I grew up with black labs. Great dogs.
[13:37:01] <Tempt> I've rather have machines than kids or dogs
[13:37:10] <WickedWicky> machines you can shut down
[13:37:12] <WickedWicky> kids you cant
[13:37:20] <WickedWicky> or you can.. but it'l get a legal mess
[13:37:23] <Berny> kids zou can send to bed ;-)
[13:37:23] <Tempt> Oh, you *can* ...
[13:37:26] <Tempt> but it gets ugly.
[13:37:37] <Tempt> Kids you send to their grandparents place for a week
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[13:37:51] <Berny> yeah that too
[13:39:15] <Tempt> But still, I have a gf for affection, I'll take machines for the role of "child" or "pet"
[13:39:28] <Tempt> even with an 880's power consumption it's cheaper than feeding brats
[13:40:03] <cmihai> Pets, pests, what's the difference.
[13:40:09] <cmihai> Besides, I couldn't even keep a cactus alive.
[13:41:13] <Tempt> hmm
[13:41:17] <Tempt> cacti are pretty easy, really.
[13:42:01] <Tempt> bda: And while machines can't fetch slippers, I don't wear slippers and dogs can't run Oracle.
[13:42:57] <WickedWicky> spot on, Tempt.. spot on
[13:42:59] <bda> Just need to generate a cybernetically enhanced canine fad in Japan. Right now they've got purse puppies.
[13:43:11] <bda> You could pioneer the Databasen Doggies line.
[13:43:29] <cmihai> Not so sure about that Tempt, I think Sony's Aibo has some kind of database
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[13:46:39] <cmihai> It's a 64 bit RISC machine too :-)
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[13:49:00] <umdstu_> Tempt: you there
[13:52:00] <Tempt> yep.
[13:52:51] <Tempt> I mean, who wears slippers these days anyway?
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[13:53:45] <bda> http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/the-wii-bar-unveiled-294619.php
[13:54:06] <umdstu_> have you built exim, or do you just use it
[13:54:22] <umdstu_> i've finally got it to 'make' but now it fails the 'make install'
[13:56:41] <bda> http://www.worldwithoutus.com/did_you_know.html # Nice.
[13:56:57] <Tempt> umdstu_: pastebin the messages
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[14:04:54] <umdstu_> alright
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[14:05:45] <umdstu_> give me a few
[14:05:46] <umdstu_> brb
[14:06:20] <chris__> Is there a general consensus about which OpenSolaris distro is most popular? (note: I didn't say "best", not trying to start war :)
[14:07:19] <Tempt> SXCE
[14:07:23] <Tempt> easily the most popular
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[14:10:50] <chris__> Tempt: Thanks, I guess that makes sense, with the domainname and all.
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[14:14:36] <umdstu_> Tempt: http://pastebin.com/d22521538
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[14:17:42] <FireflyST> I wish my new latop would ship :(
[14:19:44] <umdstu_> is it a mac?
[14:23:27] <Tempt> umdstu_: Exim can't find libiconv. Either set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or crle or build with -R
[14:24:02] <dlg> no exim in blastwave?
[14:24:22] <Tempt> exim is so easy to compile there is no reason to use a packaged version
[14:24:27] <Tempt> I'm building it right now for a new zone
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[14:24:38] <kjetilho> why use libiconv?
[14:24:41] <umdstu_> Tempt: thanks...the make installed fine tho
[14:24:43] <Tempt> I guess there will be a PCOWexim at the end of this to download though ...
[14:24:44] <kjetilho> it's built-in Solaris' libc
[14:24:55] <Tempt> kjetilho: GNUism
[14:25:00] <Tempt> kjetilho: For the GNUlitically correct
[14:25:08] <kjetilho> no, I don't think Exim is GNU-infested
[14:25:09] <umdstu_> i set EXTRALIBS to the libiconv directory
[14:25:27] <umdstu_> and it did 'make' fine
[14:25:32] <oxygene> does exim use autotools?
[14:27:05] <kjetilho> shrug, if you like to add an unnecessary dependency, feel free
[14:28:58] <FireflyST> no it's not a Mac
[14:29:25] <FireflyST> non-PPC macs are overrated
[14:30:40] <dlg> so true
[14:30:45] <dlg> but shiny
[14:30:54] * dlg got his spare graphite mac back tonight
[14:31:46] <bda> 08:29 < FireflyST> non-PPC macs are overrated
[14:31:47] <bda> What?
[14:31:52] <bda> Do you like slowass machines?
[14:32:16] <Tempt> No
[14:32:22] <Tempt> They're just overpriced crap peecees
[14:32:30] * bda <3 his iMac.
[14:32:32] <Tempt> at least PowerPC was different.
[14:32:39] <Tempt> Fuck Apple and the camel they rode in on.
[14:32:45] <bda> Apples don't ride on camels.
[14:32:47] <bda> You're a silly man.
[14:32:59] * Tempt wishes Apple would die in a fire.
[14:33:08] <d-s-d> Tempt: Why that?
[14:33:21] <Tempt> Because I *HATE* that company with a *ROARING PASSION*
[14:33:28] <d-s-d> wtf?
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[14:33:42] <bda> Apple killed his family one time.
[14:33:49] <bda> With iPod Shuriken (TM).
[14:33:49] <Tempt> This is known as *ANGRY CUSTOMER* syndrome
[14:33:57] <umdstu_> lol
[14:34:04] <umdstu_> I have nothing against them
[14:34:05] <Gekkko[PDA]> Mac OS ruinjs hardware
[14:34:18] * bda rolls eyes.
[14:34:20] <Tempt> I'd like to stab Jobs in the face for every dollar my Powerbook cost me.
[14:34:21] <Gekkko[PDA]> it and it's cocoa api
[14:34:39] <bda> Tempt: Hell, that's a lot of stabbin'.
[14:34:44] <bda> Those things aren't cheap.
[14:34:45] <umdstu_> lol
[14:34:48] <Tempt> bda: DAMN STRAIGHT
[14:34:57] <bda> It's okay to cry, Tempt.
[14:35:00] <d-s-d> I gonna buy a MacBook in a few weeks... maybe i'll like os x - if not, i still have a notebook consisting of quility hardware...
[14:35:03] <Tempt> Actually, I'd settle for distributing the stabbing over his entire family.
[14:35:22] <umdstu_> i've got several macbook pros and a macbook
[14:35:24] <bda> d-s-d: MacBooks are ok. I miss my RevC PowerBook 12" a lot.
[14:35:29] <umdstu_> i like them all
[14:35:45] <Tempt> Let me guess, the powerbook died?
[14:35:48] <bda> No.
[14:35:53] <bda> I left that job.
[14:36:06] <bda> I have also had shitty Apple experiences, but no more so than any other vendor.
[14:36:11] <bda> I certainly don't take it personally.
[14:36:14] <Tempt> I had to take legal action to get Apple to honour their warranty.
[14:36:24] <umdstu_> good
[14:36:53] <Tempt> Still got nowhere, really.
[14:37:02] <umdstu_> u know who is best with warranties
[14:37:03] <umdstu_> really
[14:37:04] <umdstu_> iso
[14:37:06] <umdstu_> is*
[14:37:10] <umdstu_> circuit city
[14:37:17] <Tempt> They replaced the logic board, screen, keyboard, trackpad and optical drive
[14:37:26] <bda> Shitty power supply? :P
[14:37:27] <umdstu_> so they gave you a new laptop?
[14:37:28] <Tempt> and the failures started coming back a few months later (now *out* of warranty)
[14:37:34] <Tempt> Nooo
[14:37:39] <umdstu_> lol
[14:37:42] <Tempt> Apple refused to replace the whole laptop
[14:37:47] <umdstu_> retards
[14:37:56] <Tempt> Apparently they only do that in the first 7 days after purchase
[14:38:07] <Tempt> I bought it from the online Apple store
[14:38:10] <Tempt> it took more than 7 days to arrive
[14:38:14] <Tempt> hence no replacement warranty.
[14:38:15] <bda> ha.
[14:38:27] <cmihai> Apple hardware support sucks ass.
[14:38:32] <cmihai> Took them 2 months to fix my iPod
[14:38:37] <Tempt> And don't get me started on Apple's INDIAN CALL CENTRE OF D00M
[14:38:47] <cmihai> heh
[14:39:12] <bda> I've yet to have an Apple product die outright on me. shrug.
[14:39:15] <Tempt> I still can't even plug it into the switch in my office.
[14:40:26] <Tempt> Because, and I quote "Your switch is made by Cisco. Apple do not support using any products not purchased from Apple. We recommend you replace your Cisco switch with a switch from Belkin which is much better and will fix your problem"
[14:40:55] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:40:58] <Tempt> I wonder how many Belkin switches you could shove up the arse of Jobs.
[14:40:59] <Gekkko[PDA]> quote?
[14:41:05] <bda> haha
[14:41:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> Belkin fucking fails.
[14:41:15] <Tempt> Quote, from my casenotes.
[14:41:24] <bda> That's hiarious.
[14:41:29] <bda> er, hilarious.
[14:41:34] <bda> What's with the Cisco that the Mac fucks up?
[14:41:35] <Tempt> Fucking SHIT thing cannot talk to half the Ciscos on the market
[14:41:42] <Tempt> Port just flaps
[14:41:47] <bda> Because, uh, I've used mine with various Catalysts.
[14:41:52] <kjetilho> well, have you upgraded the firmware on the Cisco?
[14:42:03] <Tempt> The only way it'd hold link on the Cisco is at 10Mbit HDX
[14:42:10] <bda> That's fucking goofy.
[14:42:15] <Tempt> kjetilho: My IOS did not need upgrading.
[14:42:21] <kjetilho> my WLAN phone spontaneously reboots when it connects to an out-of-date IOS :-/
[14:42:24] <bda> I've used mine from 2500s to 4900s.
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[14:42:29] <kjetilho> of course it's the phone's fault, too.
[14:42:33] <bda> PowerBook and MacBooks. :P
[14:42:34] <FireflyST> let me tell you about my Apple Hell
[14:42:42] <FireflyST> actually
[14:42:44] <Tempt> Obviously you didn't plug your powerbook into a 3500 series
[14:42:47] <FireflyST> more like Toshiba HDD hell
[14:42:50] <bda> I guess not. :)
[14:43:04] <FireflyST> I had my Toshiba hdd fail in my iBook twice, and in my iPod 3 times
[14:43:14] <Tempt> So, anyway, the thing just died in the arse time and time again and in month 11 they refused to fix it because it had failed too many times (!)
[14:43:23] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol.lol.
[14:43:25] <Tempt> I was told they would only fix it if I purchased AppleCare
[14:43:34] <FireflyST> so as far as I'm concerned, toshiba can go fuck itself with a chainsaw
[14:43:45] <bda> 1) Never buy RevA Apple kit. 2) Always get AppleCare. :)
[14:43:46] <Tempt> Five hundred dollars of AppleCare or the $37 to see them in VCAT.
[14:43:53] <Tempt> Fuck that
[14:43:56] <Doc> 3) never buy apple at all
[14:44:01] <umdstu_> Tempt: I added LD_LIB... to the Makefile and remade it
[14:44:02] <cmihai> Apple is overpriced anywho.
[14:44:02] <bda> Sure.
[14:44:13] <umdstu_> worked fine, then did make install and got the same error as before
[14:44:16] <Tempt> I shouldn't have to PAY for a stupid extended warranty (which they never honour) just to get it to work for the 12 month warranty period
[14:44:19] <cmihai> I got an IDENTICAL Santa Rosa platform laptop, same fucking specs as an Applebook for 3 times less.
[14:44:34] <Tempt> cmihai: URL?
[14:45:05] <Tempt> umdstu_: Man, where is your libiconv?
[14:45:40] <cmihai> Tempt: I got a Acer 5920g laptop. Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 2,00GHz, Santa Rosa platform, 4MB Cache, 4GB RAM, 1GB onboard cache (TurboBoost) 160GB HDD, nVidia GeForce 8600M-GT, DVD and webcam and stuff.
[14:45:43] <umdstu_> ./usr/local/lib
[14:45:56] <bda> Tempt: Ok, THIS is even funnier to me than it just not working at all:
[14:45:57] <bda> 08:44 <@yuckf00> i've used the 3500s, haven't gotten mac-specific complaints  about it
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[14:46:01] <bda> 08:45 <@yuckf00> but, macs will flap the ethernet port when the  screensaver/powersaver goes on (from gige to 100)
[14:46:12] <Gekkko[PDA]> wtf
[14:46:13] <Gekkko[PDA]> why
[14:46:14] <cmihai> It's got a bleeding 8600GT mate, awesome video card.
[14:46:48] <umdstu_> we've got a solaris machine with a fancy 3d card it in, first in the USA
[14:47:16] <Tempt> umdstu_: Oops. You've written into /usr/local. That's baaaaaad. Don't do that.
[14:47:32] <umdstu_> it wasn't me!
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[14:47:38] <umdstu_> lol
[14:47:53] <Tempt> umdstu_: Anyway, use crle to add /usr/local/lib to your library path and try again
[14:47:54] <umdstu_> I just did a default Solaris install
[14:48:00] <kjetilho> Tempt: NO!
[14:48:03] <umdstu_> ok
[14:48:14] <cmihai> http://www.amazon.de/Acer-5920G-302G16N-Notebook-GeForce-8600M-GT/dp/B000PTMBDU - that's the thing. Paid 1300 with 4GB RAM. It's got 2 year warranty, even outside of the country. If it breaks, I just go to an Acer shop and they replace it.
[14:48:16] <kjetilho> umdstu_: do NOT use crle, you WILL break software
[14:48:18] <Tempt> kjetilho: hey, man, it's on the road downhill anyway, might as well feed it.
[14:48:26] <umdstu_> lol
[14:48:31] <umdstu_> so what do i do?
[14:48:36] <Tempt> And since when does Solaris write anything to /usr/local on a default install? *NEVER*
[14:48:41] <kjetilho> umdstu_: there's nothing inherently wrong with using /usr/local for local software, it's quite common
[14:48:52] <Tempt> Yeah
[14:48:58] <Tempt> if you're on BSD or loonix or something
[14:49:03] <Tempt>  /opt exists for a reason
[14:49:16] <kjetilho> no, /opt is for packaged 3rd party software
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[14:49:25] <bda> /opt/local should exist for a reason. :)
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[14:49:43] <Tempt> kjetilho: In a well ordered world, everything should be packaged.
[14:49:43] <kjetilho> well, feel free, but there is very little difference
[14:49:51] <umdstu_> solaris software installs to /opt i thought
[14:50:00] <kjetilho> Tempt: yeah, I use Encap for local packaging
[14:50:00] <Tempt> anyway
[14:50:06] <Tempt> crle won't break anything if you set it correctly.
[14:50:15] <kjetilho> umdstu_: only non-core packages, like the compiler
[14:50:24] <kjetilho> s/non-core/add-on/
[14:50:25] <umdstu_> alright
[14:50:36] <umdstu_> hmm
[14:50:37] <kjetilho> Tempt: WRONG
[14:50:42] <kjetilho> crle affects ALL processes
[14:51:20] <Tempt> it's only going to be impacted if it couldn't find the library anywhere prior.
[14:51:38] <Tempt> anyway, this is getting into some sort of religious debate so I'm bowing out and going back to finishing my server build.
[14:51:43] <umdstu_> lol
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[14:53:04] <kjetilho> Tempt: many applications will not set rpath themselves, and then the crle added directory will override /usr/lib
[14:53:43] <bda> Doesn't that just argue for system libs always coming first?
[14:54:30] <kjetilho> okay, I guess you can do that.
[14:54:55] * Tempt coughs
[14:55:05] <Tempt> Who the *hell* would put anything before the system libraries
[14:55:15] <Tempt> That'd be ... dumb.
[14:55:34] <kjetilho> who the *HELL* would compile anything which requires such hacks?
[14:55:39] <kjetilho> that's just ... dumb.
[14:55:55] <bda> Tempt: shrug. That's why I asked.
[14:55:59] <Tempt> It's easier to explain to someone how to add a path using crle than to try to talk them through the concept of -R
[14:55:59] <kjetilho> if you add it to crle, the nice ld.so will do twice as many stats
[14:56:25] <kjetilho> yeah, give them a gun
[14:56:39] <kjetilho> it gives Solaris such a good name
[14:57:01] <Tempt> the same shit happens on loonix
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[15:05:20] <Gekkko[PDA]> Linux thinks it's cool
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[15:06:22] <nachox> morning
[15:08:09] <umdstu_> morning
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[15:09:23] <razrX> afternoon
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[15:12:09] <umdstu_> i've been here since 0600
[15:12:15] <umdstu_> its only 0911
[15:12:26] <umdstu_> long day
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[15:14:10] <razrX> umdstu_: you somehwere on the east coast then
[15:14:44] <razrX> luckily already 1515 here, got in at 7am so my working day is almost over
[15:15:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> I want to buy a silent laptop
[15:18:54] <Tempt> take the fans out
[15:19:01] <umdstu_> razrX: yep
[15:19:04] <Tempt> replace the disk with a flash drive
[15:19:07] <Tempt> and sit in a coldroom
[15:19:10] <umdstu_> DC
[15:19:18] <Tempt> walk in freezer
[15:19:42] <vmlemon> Don't forget to remove the sound hardware ;)
[15:19:51] <razrX> Gekkko[PDA]: buy 1 without a psu
[15:20:04] <razrX> or batteries for that matter
[15:20:04] <Tempt> get a p-p-p-p-powerbook
[15:20:20] <razrX> Tempt: i have to agree with that one
[15:21:18] <Tempt> my old 486 laptop had no fans
[15:21:26] <Tempt> and you could replace the disk with flash storage
[15:21:37] <Gekkko[PDA]> what about the eee?
[15:21:52] <Tempt> vapourware
[15:21:57] <Gekkko[PDA]> they say it'll be out October lol
[15:22:12] <Gekkko[PDA]> it's not vapour
[15:22:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> >.>
[15:22:40] <Tempt> Yep
[15:22:47] <Tempt> And Solaris 10 u4 was meant to be 07/07
[15:22:54] <dlg> whens samqfs going to open sourced?
[15:23:03] <Tempt> Haven't they already jacked the price of the eeeeeeee up?
[15:23:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> nop.
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[15:31:05] <umdstu_> Tempt: i did a man on crle and i'm not sure how to use it here
[15:31:34] <umdstu_> i just don't understand why it won't work, when i tell it where it is, and it successfully makes
[15:32:59] <Tempt> are you on SPARC or x86?
[15:33:40] <Tempt> crle -l /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib
[15:33:49] <Tempt> If you're on SPARC /msg me for binaries
[15:34:10] <umdstu_> sparc
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[15:34:30] <Tempt> actually
[15:34:32] <tsoome> better forget crle
[15:34:37] <Tempt> what the hell, I'm feeling helpful
[15:34:40] <umdstu_> lol
[15:34:43] <Tempt> fire up sun shared shell
[15:34:52] <Tempt> and I'll have a quick look and fix your build
[15:34:53] <umdstu_> it's not connected to the internet
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[15:35:05] <nick333333> Helllo all.
[15:35:08] <umdstu_> it can't touch the outside
[15:35:18] <umdstu_> won't me to show you my Makefile?
[15:35:21] <nick333333> Anyone familiar with here documents?
[15:35:21] <Tempt> tsoome: huh?
[15:35:26] <nick333333> I am trying to automate the sudo command.
[15:35:48] <tsoome> crle is evil tool to screw up your system
[15:35:55] <Cyrille> oh dear, round we go.
[15:35:59] <PerterB> umdstu_: pastebin the makefile
[15:36:57] <umdstu_> will do
[15:37:16] <Tempt> Alright, should be sorted
[15:37:48] <PerterB> crle has its uses, but in general I'd say it's better to fox the runtime search path in the binary where possible
[15:37:52] <PerterB> *fix
[15:37:55] <Tempt> yes, well.
[15:38:04] <Tempt> I just /msg'd him the appropriate lines
[15:38:14] <PerterB> ok
[15:38:15] <kjetilho> or in this case -- just don't use the unneeded external library
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[15:38:47] <WickedWicky> did i mention my disaffection for Tomcat?
[15:38:58] <Tempt> Tomcat is a mighty dose of fail.
[15:39:39] <WickedWicky> I second that
[15:39:47] <quasi> slightly bloated
[15:39:48] <Gekkko[PDA]> Quick! Argue BSD vs GNU
[15:39:54] <Tempt> Then again, most great big steaming java mountains are.
[15:40:05] <quasi> (in a rotting whale meaning of the word)
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[15:40:52] <Tempt> Saying tomcat is 'slightly bloated' is like saying 'jumping from a 50 storey building may possibly be unhealthy'
[15:41:02] <Gekkko[PDA]> rofl
[15:41:47] <quasi> Tempt: that's why I added 15:40 < quasi> (in a rotting whale meaning of the word)
[15:41:54] <monkey_squad> java is excellent, I will name my children java 1 through 4
[15:42:01] <Tempt> quasi: Oh, I just wanted to reinforce that.
[15:42:19] <Tempt> monkey_squad: You could name them java, JAVA, Java and JaVa.
[15:42:38] <monkey_squad> I dont think drivers licenses are case sensitive
[15:42:50] <Tempt> or perhaps java, JAVA, Java and j2ee
[15:42:59] <monkey_squad> your idea is DENIED
[15:43:02] <quasi> except it would most likely be in breach of suns FOU restriction
[15:43:18] <monkey_squad> they will be named java1, java2, java3, java4, the decision has been made
[15:43:47] <Cyrille> you can go with Java, J2SE, J2ME, and J2EE.
[15:43:56] <Tempt> when java2 screws java3, is the offspring named java2.5 or java5?
[15:44:08] <kjetilho> my colleague is a true Solaris fan, he named his children Adrian and Casper :-)
[15:44:16] <Cyrille> problem might be that your children end up being on the slow side...
[15:44:21] <Cyrille> ;-)
[15:44:26] <Tempt> and very bloated.
[15:44:29] <quasi> Tempt: not 2^3 or 3^2 ?
[15:44:32] <Cyrille> but they'll run anywhere!
[15:44:36] <vmlemon> Jini and Jiro, anyone? ;)
[15:44:38] <Tempt> kjetilho: That's a little .. worrying.
[15:44:49] <Tempt> They'll be just full of beans
[15:44:54] <Cyrille> at least these are regular names
[15:45:14] <kjetilho> he says he just thinks they are nice names
[15:45:23] <quasi> kjetilho: he sounds like a nice guy ;)
[15:45:39] <Cyrille> it's not like people who tried to name their kids "4real" and "@"
[15:45:58] <Tempt> moon unit
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[15:46:06] <Tempt> quack
[15:47:56] <umdstu_> Tempt: http://pastebin.com/m2ae1920e
[15:48:19] <umdstu_> mostly default
[15:48:22] <umdstu_> minus the comments
[15:49:06] <Tempt> did you add the line I suggested?
[15:49:41] <PerterB> so just add -R /usr/local/lib:/usr/sfw/lib to LOOKUP_LIBS
[15:49:45] <PerterB> overlap :)
[15:50:25] <umdstu_> not yet, I was just going to show you what it was before since you asked
[15:50:52] <umdstu_> i'll try it
[15:51:59] <umdstu_> how would I combine the LOOKUP_LIBS to one line
[15:52:14] <umdstu_> or is += fine?
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[15:52:56] <PerterB> whichever floats your boat
[15:53:02] <Cyrille> \ at the end of the line works wonders too
[15:53:20] <umdstu_> ahh yea
[15:54:35] <PerterB> without seeing the actual compile rules I'm only guessing, but I reckon the author's intent was that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was meant to contain the -R stuff, not -L
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[16:06:43] <umdstu_> oh ok
[16:09:12] <coffman> so, where is the respin?
[16:14:42] <Cyrille> respin?
[16:17:24] <bda> Sol10u4.
[16:17:32] <bda> Or b?
[16:18:21] <Cyrille> I didn't know it was supposed to be respun.
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[16:26:04] <elektronkind> day two of compiling eclipse 3.3 on a two-core x4100
[16:26:21] <elektronkind> java... hating it
[16:30:04] <nachox> ???
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[16:30:49] <coffman> no, sxce b70
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[17:00:21] <CIA-16> achartre: 6531913 vds can lose access to vdisks built from files located on the root fs, 6575050 vds should support unformatted disks
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[17:01:47] <umdstu> Tempt: you there
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[17:03:01] <mbalmer> hya
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[17:04:28] <Tempt> hmm?
[17:05:01] <umdstu> i'm attempting to use the PCowTools
[17:05:16] <umdstu> not really sure how to install his version of exim though
[17:05:16] <Tempt> What happened to your makefile change?
[17:05:21] <Tempt> That should be fine.
[17:05:36] <umdstu> well...it keeps telling me it doesn't support SunOS5 for some reason
[17:05:37] <umdstu> when I run make
[17:05:45] <Tempt> Which Solaris are you using?
[17:05:50] <umdstu> 10
[17:05:53] <Tempt> Hmm
[17:05:57] <umdstu> it didn't tell me that before though
[17:06:00] <Tempt> And it wasn't giving you this message before?
[17:06:04] <umdstu> nope
[17:06:38] <umdstu> brb i'm going to try taking the original Makefile I had without mod. and see what it says
[17:06:45] <Tempt> Anyway, if you want to use the PCOW builds just grab PCOWtools and PCOWexim and untar them in /opt
[17:06:55] <Tempt> and then follow the instructions on the page.
[17:10:56] <umdstu> Tempt: yea i copied the original back and it still says not supported...weird
[17:11:10] <umdstu> Ok so yea, I was starting to say, I followed everything on the page
[17:11:24] <umdstu> how to I start it?
[17:11:46] <Tempt> Have you configured it?
[17:12:12] <Tempt> make sure your config in /etc/exim is correct
[17:12:17] <umdstu> do i edit the configure' file
[17:12:22] <umdstu> yea
[17:12:24] <Tempt> and then you can start testing. By this point, you're in generic exim territory
[17:12:29] <umdstu> let me go look at it again
[17:12:32] <umdstu> good
[17:12:33] <Tempt> yes, edit /etc/exim/configure
[17:12:47] <umdstu> i printed off the basic config from the exim site a few days ago
[17:12:48] <umdstu> was going to use that
[17:12:53] <umdstu> to start
[17:13:42] <umdstu> heres one thing i'm going to sound really noob at, where do I create accounts so for <account> at <Exim-server-hostname> dot <whatever>
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[17:14:08] <umdstu> on the computer running Exim?
[17:14:15] <Tempt> umdstu: Okay, by default exim will handle delivery for local accounts only
[17:14:20] <Tempt> ie, users that have an account on the box
[17:14:25] <umdstu> ok
[17:14:32] <Tempt> anything more complicated is going to require reading the documentation and working through it.
[17:14:37] <umdstu> alright
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[17:14:48] <Tempt> Trust me, it isn't hard, you basically need to edit configure while referencing the documentation.
[17:14:53] <umdstu> i'll read it, but if you could tell me if this will be difficult, heres my set up
[17:15:05] <Tempt> I'm running virtual domains and multiple aliases and all sorts of crazy stuff on mine and it wasn't rocket science.
[17:15:18] <umdstu> i have a wireles network, which is nat'd to the network the server is on
[17:15:40] <umdstu> i want about 20 computers on the wireless network to be able to use exim
[17:15:44] <umdstu> oh wow
[17:15:56] <umdstu> well atm that is rocket science to me ;)
[17:16:08] <Tempt> Just to deliver mail to each other?
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[17:16:33] <umdstu> yep
[17:16:40] <umdstu> no external internet at all
[17:16:54] <Tempt> All Solaris?
[17:17:17] <umdstu> sadly no, i'm sure that make it MUCH easier, they're windows XP
[17:17:33] <Tempt> Aah, okay, so a single Solaris server and windows clients
[17:17:43] <umdstu> yes
[17:17:48] <Tempt> And do you want the clients to pick up mail by IMAP or something?
[17:17:53] <umdstu> yep
[17:18:06] <Tempt> Well, the next thing you'll need is an IMAP server
[17:18:07] <umdstu> is there a way to have it do both
[17:18:10] <umdstu> IMAP or POP
[17:18:23] <Tempt> The default exim config will be pretty easy. basically, you could probably get away with no configuration at all.
[17:18:29] <Tempt> But you'll need to set up an IMAP or POP server.
[17:18:30] <umdstu> oh nice
[17:18:39] <umdstu> Alright yea I thought so
[17:18:40] <Tempt> (exim is an MTA, it handles SMTP type stuff.)
[17:18:52] <Tempt> If it was me, I'd use dovecot or courier-imap.
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[17:19:04] <umdstu> dovecot does IMAP then too?
[17:19:17] <Tempt> Yes, dovecot does IMAP.
[17:19:22] <umdstu> alright
[17:19:33] <umdstu> is there an easy one that does IMAP/POP
[17:19:42] <Tempt> Now, I haven't deployed dovecot yet (It's on my project list) so I can't give too many tips
[17:20:02] <Tempt> Courier was easy, but my setup is a little strange and I configured it years ago and have just been maintaining that deployment.
[17:20:02] <umdstu> that's alright POP isn't that important
[17:20:06] <hile_> IIRC dovecot requires Maildir which hurts my brain
[17:20:11] <umdstu> lol
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[17:20:17] <Tempt> hile_: Maildir is full of win.
[17:20:42] <umdstu> ok so my last question before I go and look over the configure file
[17:20:43] <Tempt> I think it took an hour for me to get courier working.
[17:21:15] <umdstu> the computers hostname is really long, and I want the email to have a short name
[17:21:18] <umdstu> like @lab.edu
[17:21:26] <umdstu> is that just a configure?
[17:21:27] <Tempt> you can do that.
[17:21:30] <umdstu> awesome
[17:21:32] <Tempt> It's a configure
[17:21:51] <umdstu> ok I'm going to look through his configure and copy some things from the one on the exim site
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[17:23:04] <sommerfeld> hile_: i'm not 100% sure that's true; while I wasn't involved in setting it up, an internal deployment of dovecot within solaris engineering uses /var/mail (migrating to maildir was considered too painful)
[17:23:36] <hile_> ah interesting sommerfeld.
[17:23:45] <Berny> dovecot can use mbox and maildir according to their website
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[17:30:33] <umdstu> Tempt: sorry, the default configure is fairly different the example configure here http://www.exim-new-users.co.uk/content/blogcategory/39/55/
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[17:31:40] <Tempt> umdstu: I'd love to help, but it's 1:31am and I'm shutting down for the night.
[17:31:47] <umdstu> do you suggest one i should use over the other
[17:31:53] <umdstu> alright, thanks anyway
[17:32:00] <umdstu> thanks for the help so far!
[17:32:18] <umdstu> maybe i'll catch you tomorrow
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[17:59:27] <axisys> is there way to pull the snmp pkg from solaris 10 cd? i need the 5.0.9 which comes with sol 10 cd
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[17:59:50] <axisys> in products dir how do I find which one of them are snmp pkgs..
[18:00:17] <CIA-16> kcpoon: 6340684 SCTP does "packet amplification", 6596850 Processing malformed INIT chunk causes panic
[18:00:18] <CIA-16> robbin: 6597032 Update zoneinfo timezones to 2007g (South Australia, Indiana, Egypt)
[18:01:24] <axisys> grep Product/*/pkgmap is probably one way ?!
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[18:01:32] <axisys> grep snmp Product/*/pkgmap is probably one way ?!
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[18:04:04] <wesolows> SUNWsmagt
[18:04:19] <axisys> wesolows: that has all I need?
[18:04:55] <axisys> wesolows: how about SUNWsmmgr ?
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[18:07:30] <axisys> wesolows: afetr few grep and parse I found SUNWsmaS SUNWsmagt SUNWsmcmd SUNWsmdoc SUNWsmmgr
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[18:07:56] <axisys> this is what I did to find those
[18:07:59] <axisys> for p in `grep snmp */pkgmap | awk -F/ '{print $1}' | sort -u`; do echo -n "$p::"; cat $p/pkginfo | grep DESC=; done | grep "System Management" | awk -F: '{print $1}'
[18:08:12] <axisys> i ran that from Product dir of the cd
[18:08:42] <axisys> does it look kosher
[18:08:44] <axisys> ?
[18:10:28] <jafari> LMAO this is funny as hell -> http://www.electric-escape.net/node/1475 This has to be the funniest IRC chat i've seen......lol
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[18:11:21] <bigjohnto> anyone know how to control audio level in solaris 8?
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[18:12:32] <wesolows> axisys: you definitely don't need smaS, but the rest is probably fine
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[18:14:41] <axisys> wesolows: thnx.. i endup creating a datastream of the pkgs .. so now i can give it my coworkers in other states..
[18:15:10] <sommerfeld> jafari: i've seen that sort of thing before "I bet you can't crash 127.0.0.1! "
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[18:33:31] <jafari> folx , do anyone know how i can enable zfs
[18:33:41] <jafari> is zfs done at the initial install of the OS
[18:33:51] <jafari> and will it break anything services that i have running at the moment
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[18:38:33] <seanmcg> jafari: need empty disks or partitions or just some large files from mkfile  for zfs, then its zpool create tank <disks>.  Not done on initial install (yet), it shouldn't break any services.  Though you want zfs on the / root or different ?
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[18:41:39] <jafari> seanmcg doesnt matter where i put zfs but my two hdd are already layed out
[18:41:52] <jafari> does that mean i need another disk installed to do this
[18:42:26] <seanmcg> yes, though to 'play' with zfs some large files created with mkfile would work.
[18:43:04] <sommerfeld> or free disk slices
[18:44:07] <seanmcg> eg: create 4 1gb files and a tank from them. for i in 1 2 3 4; do mkfile 1g file.$i; done; zpool create playtank /path/to/file.1 /path/to/file.2 ...; zfs create playtank/my_first_zfs
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[18:46:22] <Fetch> if I have multiple drives failed to hot spares in a ZFS pool, is there any way to find out specifically when resilvering is down on each vdev? as opposed to the pool as a whole
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[18:49:49] <jafari> thanks ill brb
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[18:51:14] <sommerfeld> Fetch: shows up in zpool status (hot spare shows up as in use *and* appears in a "replacing" vdev entry with the failed device.
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[18:51:55] <sommerfeld> if resilvering is running, all devices that need resilvering are worked on in parallel
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[20:08:17] <alanc> CR 6599487 Created P3 opensolaris/triage-queue nautilus crashes repeatedly - bugs.os.o user filed under "opensolaris/website"....
[20:08:53] <alanc> does bugs.os.o suck that badly or are people that stupid?
[20:08:58] <richlowe> but they didn't, because we can't be trusted, so it went to the triage queue.
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[20:09:16] <richlowe> anyone who realizes this has a strong motivation to not bother actually looking for the right cat.
[20:09:28] <richlowe> most likely though, they hit "opensolaris" on the cat selection, and website is the only subcat
[20:10:02] <alanc> so b.o.o sucks more than I realied
[20:10:06] <alanc> realized even
[20:10:17] <richlowe> Well, not exactly.
[20:10:27] <richlowe> the cat/subcat layout is not exactly sane, by any stretch of the imagination.
[20:10:47] <richlowe> the fact the ON delivered shells are in shell/<name>, and the sfwnv delivered shells are in utility/<name> is my current favourite example.
[20:10:58] <richlowe> it's not unreasonable for someone to hit "opensolaris", if that's why they feel they're running.
[20:11:02] <richlowe> and they have no choice of product.
[20:11:29] <alanc> and I suppose the "jds" categories will make no sense once they finish removing all traces of JDS branding from the product
[20:11:48] <richlowe> So, what you end up with is equal measure of b.o.o suck, and just general bug suck.
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[20:12:02] <richlowe> and it's rare someone can provoke me into almost defending b.o.o, congrats. :)
[20:12:07] <alanc> did we include "must not suck" in the DTS requirements?
[20:12:07] <sommerfeld> richlowe: some of it is that the categories in bugster suck.
[20:12:17] <richlowe> alanc: of course not, or bugzilla wouldn't be a choice ;)
[20:12:24] <sommerfeld> but attempting to map those into a sane sence of categories would suck worse
[20:12:36] <sommerfeld> unless you also restructured bugster
[20:12:42] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Yes, I would advocate they should be fixed in bugster and propagated outward.
[20:12:47] <richlowe> the two should *never* tell you different things.
[20:13:00] <sommerfeld> but it's something that can only improve incrementally
[20:13:09] <richlowe> the fact they constantly do is just part of b.o.o's charm.
[20:14:11] <sommerfeld> the most effective way I've found to identify the right category is to find the source exhibiting the misbehavior, look for bugids in its change history, and see what cat/subcat they were filed under.
[20:14:33] <alanc> b.o.o insisting there's only cat/subcat and not product, and showing somethings mapped product -> category and others category -> category is also broken
[20:16:21] <richlowe> alanc: the search interface has that (somewhat) fixed.
[20:16:39] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Yes, but that's effort
[20:16:52] <richlowe> sommerfeld: and since any bug we file goes to opensolaris/triage-queue no matter what we specify, I can understand people not making that effort.
[20:17:01] <richlowe> It's wrong, but it's understandable.
[20:17:35] <wesolows> I don't think it's wrong, really
[20:18:02] <wesolows> if the actual bug always ends up in the same place regardless, we shouldn't even have a category option
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[20:18:17] <wesolows> it's a placebo field that does nothing; why bother?
[20:19:26] <richlowe> because the system should trust its users, rather than treating us all like scum.
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[20:19:33] <richlowe> anything that suggests otherwise is wrong, even if simpler.
[20:19:34] <alanc> once we've picked a new DTS and have one external interface for everyone to file bugs through, the triage queue will have to die, or it will be a full-time job for several people to re-triage all incoming bugs
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[20:19:39] <wesolows> then the fields should stay, but do something :-)
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[20:20:56] <richlowe> alanc: I'd be fine with that, too.
[20:21:01] <richlowe> if it treats everyone the same, I don't care.
[20:21:13] <sommerfeld> in any event, some amount of recategorizing misfiled bugs is going to be unavoidable.
[20:21:26] <richlowe> sommerfeld: quite, but the IEs are equally well placed to do that.
[20:21:33] <richlowe> rather than the group of people IE'ing triage-queue
[20:21:46] <richlowe> the only advantage of the triage-queue is that alanc is faster than linda with notification.
[20:22:22] <alanc> triage-queue backs up a lot
[20:23:02] <alanc> I went through and just reassigned a whole bunch of rotting bugs this week figuring that even if I got the specific kernel sub-group wrong, the people there would be able to get it to the right place
[20:23:11] <sommerfeld> well, most of them are.  some IE's turf misfiled bugs rather than hunt for the right category
[20:23:57] <wesolows> too often there are half a dozen candidate subcats, several of which are "dead"
[20:26:24] <alanc> there were still a few, like http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6589680, that I couldn't even guess what the right category would be
[20:26:59] <richlowe> that's just invalid.
[20:27:02] <alanc> (talks about RMIModule, but the body of the bug report is all luupgrade & dmesg output)
[20:27:03] <richlowe> jmcp and I talked about that one a week or two ago.
[20:27:58] <richlowe> the luupgrade invocation is just plain wrong (he ran reboot, after being told not to)
[20:30:01] <richlowe> and as you said, the RMI bit seems entirely out of the blue.
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[20:40:30] <leal> hello...
[20:40:42] <leal> linux on LDoms are unstable yet, right?
[20:41:04] <leal> For production use, just solaris?
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[21:03:21] <Mdx4> ??
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[21:04:14] <trygvis> are there support in linux for ldoms at all?
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[21:05:18] <Mdx4> partitioning should be all unstable (except zones) if i'm not wrong.
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[21:06:19] <Oninoshiko> anyone booting from a zfs mirror?
[21:06:22] <trygvis> zones != ldom
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[21:07:01] <Mdx4> trygvis: indeed.
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[21:18:18] <leal> Mdx4: LDoms is not stable at all?? that is what you are saying??
[21:19:11] <dos000> howdy
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[21:20:34] <dos000> anyone can suggest how i can have 2 x86 servers 1) automagically boot from network whithout hdd 2) mount zfs or nfs on a third pc ?
[21:21:04] <trygvis> http://tastic.brillig.org/~jwb/zfs-xfs-ext4.html
[21:21:59] <dos000> the idea is that the 2 pcs will boot into completely different installs. something like a crash & burn for testing the same product on a clean install
[21:22:44] <trygvis> that should be doable if you have a bios/network card that can boot from net
[21:24:01] <dos000> i think i do. i just dont know where to start the googling from
[21:25:26] <trygvis> I think you'll need to use that pxe thing which talkes to a tftp server to load the kernel
[21:25:32] <trygvis> might be some docs on docs.sun.com
[21:25:45] <flyingparchment> usually you load grub via pxe, and grub does the rest
[21:27:15] <dos000> flyingparchment, how do i create the image that grub will boot ?
[21:27:31] <flyingparchment> it doesn't boot an image, it boots the kernel
[21:27:31] <hile_> very carefully
[21:27:40] <flyingparchment> same as from a hard disk, except it loads it over tftp
[21:28:50] <dos000> flyingparchment, ok ... at one point there has to be a minimal fs tools the kernel will have to mount. how do i create that
[21:29:07] <flyingparchment> dos: the boot archive.  you don't create it.  use the same one it uses to load from the hard disk.
[21:29:48] <dos000> flyingparchment, so first i have to do a normal install then ?
[21:29:59] <flyingparchment> you could network boot the installer if you like
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[21:30:07] <flyingparchment> you do need a solaris installation in order to boot
[21:30:44] <dos000> flyingparchment, and the installer will figure that there is no local hdd , and do a {fs_of_choice} mount
[21:31:08] <dos000> ?
[21:32:38] <richlowe> if you're wanting diskless clients, see smdiskless(1M) and related.
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[21:36:52] <dos000> i found http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/jumpstart_x86_x64.jsp
[21:38:11] <sommerfeld> jumpstart is network install; smdiskless is for regular operation
[21:38:29] <dos000> oh !
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[22:00:27] <CIA-16> willf: 6399903 Support for Kerberos Records in LDAP Directory (fix build, ELF versioning)
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[22:42:47] <nrubsig> Good morning! :-)
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[22:45:37] <nrubsig> !seen monster
[22:45:39] <Drone> I've never seen monster talk in #opensolaris.
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[22:49:34] <nrubsig> !seen tentaclemonster
[22:49:44] <Drone> tentaclemonster (tentaclemonster!n=chatzill at pD9E3D112 dot dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 08 Sep 2006 20:22 GMT, saying 'This channel is boring.'.
[22:49:58] <nrubsig> yo
[22:50:01] <nrubsig> boring
[22:51:50] <quasi> so when does the push for ksh2007 start? :)
[22:52:59] <coffman> not funny
[22:54:31] <alanc> I am amused that the new draft OpenSolaris FAQ answers "Why is bash not the default shell?" with an explanation of why ksh93 is so much better, but doesn't mention that ksh93 isn't default either
[22:55:27] <alanc> it's like answering "Why use Solaris?" with a diatribe on why Linux is better than Windows
[22:56:08] <quasi> someone must be playing lazy - not wanting to change the faq in some 10 or 15 years when ksh93 becomes the default
[22:57:39] <nrubsig> alanc: problem is to find a usefull formulation... half this stuff is "marketing" and I am notoriously bad at that and self-promotion.
[22:59:02] <richlowe> being bad at marketing is a strong point.
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[23:05:32] <moazamraja> zones share the mac address as the main host, right?
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[23:16:43] <nrubsig> moazamraja: I think yes.
[23:17:49] 
[23:17:58] <tomww> moazamraja: if you use a virtual interface like hme0:1, yes. if you dedicate a whole adapter to the zones, then this MAC will be the one
[23:19:24] <tomww> with the upcomming network virtualisation, there will be a chance of setting a different mac address for the virtual interfaces IIRC
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[23:25:01] <nrubsig> alanc: ping!
[23:25:15] <alanc> nrubsig: pong
[23:25:34] <nrubsig> alanc: who marked http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6596519 as incomplete ?
[23:25:59] <alanc> darrenm
[23:26:08] <nrubsig> moffat ?
[23:26:27] <nrubsig> alanc: darrenmoffat ?
[23:26:35] <alanc> yes
[23:26:42] <nrubsig> alanc: thanks
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[23:30:00] <richlowe> I would suggest the RFE isn't incomplete, but the design.
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[23:31:07] <nachox> i wish boo at least told you who did what
[23:33:09] <alanc> I think the next version of e-mail updates will at least do that
[23:33:23] <alanc> though you only get them if someone puts you on the interest list
[23:33:33] <richlowe> and if roland were on the interest list, he'd know anyway.
[23:33:38] <alanc> should probably file an RFE with boo to auto-add bug filers to the interest list
[23:33:51] <richlowe> alanc: I did.
[23:33:54] <richlowe> it went nowhere.
[23:33:55] <alanc> (not that anyone is likely to change boo anytime soon)
[23:34:18] <alanc> oh, I added roland to the interest list after darren's updates
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[23:41:59] <nrubsig> !seen raf
[23:42:04] <Drone> I've never seen raf talk in #opensolaris.
[23:42:13] <nrubsig> !seen faulkner
[23:42:16] <Drone> I've never seen faulkner talk in #opensolaris.
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[23:42:45] <chris_d> Good afternoon, all. After upgrading to Build 69, it seems I can no longer connect to the web console.
[23:43:07] <chris_d> smcwebserver status shows the console is running.
[23:43:22] <chris_d> But, connecting to https://opensolarisbox:6789 fails
[23:44:38] <trygvis> perhaps it is only listening on localhost
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[23:48:20] <Fetch> snv_70, all zpool commands seem to hang (zpool history, zpool iostat, etc.). This started after attempting to add a hot spare with zpool add tank spare nicelongdevicename
[23:48:30] <Fetch> any ideas on how I can track down what's blocking?
[23:49:28] <coffman> Fetch: most likely the device you add
[23:50:56] <Fetch> can I expect an eventual timeout? It's been several minutes now
[23:51:47] <boyd> Morning, all
[23:53:56] <coffman> Fetch: im not sure, best bet would be removing it
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[23:56:10] <coffman> Fetch: then shutdown, add the drive, reboot, run devfsadm, reboot, add the device to the pool again - that would be the "safe" way i think
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