August 24, 2007 
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August 24, 2007 [00:00:05] <WickedWicky> oh crap, emisomething left already [00:00:16] <WickedWicky> jmcp: isnt actually /a/var/ld/ld.config he has to remove? [00:00:26] <WickedWicky> taking in acount his root will be mounted on /a [00:01:15] *** derchris has quit IRC [00:01:23] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [00:01:25] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [00:02:28] *** NikolaVeber_ has joined #opensolaris [00:02:45] <WickedWicky> alright, midnight, time to sleep [00:02:47] <WickedWicky> have fun all [00:06:15] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [00:08:17] *** emilianOS has joined #opensolaris [00:08:43] <emilianOS> jmcp_: There is a little trouble [00:09:38] <emilianOS> there is no ld.config [00:09:45] *** cajetanus_ has quit IRC [00:09:46] *** Rawn027_ has joined #opensolaris [00:10:27] <Rawn027_> If I need to add a file to a zone, specificall a script into /var/svc/methods how do I do that. [00:10:28] <Rawn027_> I am getting no write permissions even though they exist on that folder [00:10:30] <Rawn027_> I have tried in both the global zone and the db server zone [00:12:24] *** eboutilier_ has quit IRC [00:14:04] <nrubsig> Did anyone see Stephen Hahn today ? [00:14:06] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [00:14:22] <wesolows> I'm sure someone did [00:14:27] * brendang didn't [00:14:34] * wesolows neither [00:14:43] <brendang> are we helping yet? :) [00:14:49] <wesolows> oh yes [00:15:32] <nrubsig> wesolows: is there a way to /usr/xpg6/bin/summon him # ? [00:15:41] <wesolows> yes, send him mail [00:16:01] <nrubsig> groan [00:16:08] <wesolows> he's busy like all of us, and doesn't have time to be trolled. If you want to contact him, send mai. [00:17:37] <sommerfeld> or mail [00:17:55] <emilianOS> jmcp_: what can I do? [00:18:23] [00:19:37] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [00:20:07] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [00:20:25] <Rawn027_> is it a container of a zone [00:20:30] <Rawn027_> what is the real name for this? [00:21:00] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [00:24:00] <jmcp_> emilianOS: not sure what to recommend now, sorry [00:24:15] <emilianOS> ok, thanks [00:24:33] <jbk> hello [00:26:30] *** BatonT has quit IRC [00:27:54] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:28:10] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [00:28:20] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [00:30:47] <ket> 0 84 1 1 11 0 0 0 414 10 19 0 0 0 0 10 90 0 [00:31:00] <ket> ^^^ why not to ever, ever use a v240. [00:31:08] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [00:31:12] <ket> that's the fastest it's been. copying the solaris 10 install cd. [00:32:11] <hile_> I've never had a problem with them [00:32:17] <hile_> unless i fucked something up [00:33:20] <jmcp_> hi hile_ [00:33:22] <ket> hile_: i don't consider './.setup_install_server /dedicated/internal/drive' fucking up. [00:33:47] <jmcp_> ket: hile isn't saying that you've fucked up [00:33:58] <jmcp_> he's saying that he's never had a problem with the same model that you're using [00:34:01] <ket> hile_: i do consider a rev1 v240 that is spending all it's time in system and wait with better than double it in wait, copying a freaking dvd, WAY PAST that [00:34:16] <ket> like, we're talking i'm going to need a whole new language [00:34:21] <Rawn027_> whats the best way to write to a zone? [00:34:30] <Rawn027_> its a script i need to be in the zone itself, not the global zone [00:34:36] <ket> jmcp_: i know. this box is just known fucked. [00:34:56] <jmcp_> ket: got a window handy? you could throw it out .... [00:34:59] <ket> it's a single cpu original run v240. [00:35:05] <jmcp_> sorry , "Defenestrate it" [00:35:16] <ket> jmcp_: if it wasn't the jumpstart server still by virtue of 'hay look what we put the 147gb disks in'? [00:35:36] <ket> jmcp_: i have access to very large towmotors [00:35:43] *** cajetanus_ has joined #opensolaris [00:39:24] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [00:41:17] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [00:42:07] <tsp> ket: heh, what command produced all those numbers above? [00:43:54] <jmcp_> tsp: iostat [00:43:59] <jmcp_> no [00:44:00] <jmcp_> vmstat [00:44:08] <jmcp_> or any other bloody *stat command [00:44:15] * jmcp_ can't be bothered being correct today [00:45:08] <hile_> still pissed off, eh james? [00:45:32] <hile_> mind you, i woudln't blame you in the least [00:48:09] <elektronkind> so what's the deal with Solaris 10 11/07 ? [00:49:51] <hile_> 11/07? [00:50:04] <hile_> no such product is even being thought of, I don't think [00:50:04] <bubbva> elektronkind: you speak of future releases? [00:51:39] <elektronkind> well, seeing as how 7/07 is still MIA and we're almost to september... extrapolating the release date out to 11/07 would make sense ;) [00:51:50] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [00:51:53] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [00:52:00] <alanc> 7/07 was renamed 8/07 [00:52:11] <alanc> but won't ship in 8/07 either [00:52:26] * elektronkind rolls his eyes [00:52:29] <elektronkind> guys... [00:52:51] <jbk> however, i believe someone was saying SRSS 9/07 is shipping [00:52:54] <elektronkind> well, there goes my hope for patching up servers prior to the start of the academic year. [00:52:55] <alanc> yes [00:53:23] *** sarahj has joined #opensolaris [00:53:23] <jbk> no support contract? [00:53:50] <elektronkind> I've got one. But I'm not putting T patches on my prod boxes [00:54:08] <jbk> who said anything about t-patches? [00:54:21] <jbk> you seem to imply that u4 is required to patch [00:54:42] <jbk> with a support contract, you should be able to get the recommended bundle at any time [00:54:48] <jbk> unless things have changed yet again [00:54:50] <elektronkind> jbk: we're the biggest sun shop in the u of maryland system and my sales reps couldn't even get me on the u4 beta. [00:55:11] <jbk> and if you have a plantinum contract, ask for tlp (or its replacement whose name i can't remember) [00:55:22] *** cajetanus_ has quit IRC [00:57:05] <elektronkind> how can those patches be a part of the recommended bundle if they're not released yet? Pretty much all patches on sunsolve have been in their usual pre-update stasis that happens prior to a update release. [00:57:47] <elektronkind> so for all I know the "Zfs patch" has a new patch number and god only knows what revision... and it depends on a kernel patch that's also not released, etc. [00:58:10] <elektronkind> ...the type of stuff that isn't revealed until the update is out [00:58:21] <jbk> patches aren't only released for solaris updates [00:58:30] <elektronkind> oh I know, but they're my main interest [00:58:57] <kjetilho> elektronkind: what patches are you waiting for? [00:59:14] <elektronkind> zfs in particular. [00:59:18] <kjetilho> ZFS boot isn't on the cards, is it? [00:59:39] <kjetilho> ZFS snapshot based zones is, IIRC [01:00:33] <Rawn027_> If I need to add a file to a zone, specificall a script into /var/svc/methods how do I do that. [01:00:47] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [01:01:47] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [01:03:00] *** sarah has quit IRC [01:03:09] <jmcp_> hi syndrome71 [01:03:09] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [01:04:46] <syndrome71> Hey Mr McP [01:04:49] <syndrome71> :) [01:06:39] <jmcp_> gday [01:08:03] <jbk> hmm.. think besides the current output bugs (which I still need to file bugs on), should there be a bug for libdisasm -- basically 'need non-encumbered replacement for libdisasm.so on sparc' ? [01:10:49] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [01:12:51] <jmcp_> jbk: yes [01:13:00] <jmcp_> well... that's an rfe, really [01:13:08] * jmcp_ splits the hair neatly down the centre [01:15:28] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [01:15:35] <jbk> :) [01:16:05] <jbk> ok.. well i'll file them a bit later tonight, as i seem to be regaining the motivation that was waning earlier this week [01:16:14] <jbk> (due to unrelated reasons) [01:17:20] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [01:17:22] <jbk> though i'm trying to figure out what the next steps are -- aside from a few minor s/<space>/<tab>/ issues, the code is cstyle + lint clean (as far as I can tell), it produces identical results as the closed source version when run on something like 7000 files under /usr and /kernel [01:18:00] <wesolows> since you're not changing the architecture, I think you should just be able to file some bugs and have your changes code reviewed [01:18:24] <Rawn027_> anyone know how to write a script that will end up in a zone? [01:18:30] <Rawn027_> that is not the global zone [01:18:52] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [01:19:05] <wesolows> I don't understand the question [01:19:06] <seanmcg> scp $0 $localzone ? [01:19:16] <wesolows> You talking about a class action script for per-zone stuff? [01:19:17] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: do you need to know that you're not in the global zone? [01:19:36] <jmcp_> jbk: I would be happy to help you with sponsoring that bug/rfe [01:19:37] *** emilianOS has quit IRC [01:19:49] <nachox> evening [01:19:52] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: i am in both zones right now... I am trying to get a script to end up in /lib/svc/method [01:20:02] <Rawn027_> of my db server zone [01:20:08] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: you're doing a sparse zone, not a whole-root zone? [01:20:37] <Rawn027_> when i created it i just used the zoneadm install dbserver [01:20:39] <Rawn027_> no options [01:20:57] <jmcp_> ok, so that'll be a sparse zone [01:21:04] <Rawn027_> what is the difference? [01:21:09] <jmcp_> your script should go into /lib/svc/method in the global zone [01:21:24] <jmcp_> a sparse zone inherits lots of directories from the global zone [01:21:32] <Rawn027_> so it takes up less space, correct? [01:21:35] <jmcp_> yes [01:21:56] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [01:21:57] <Rawn027_> so really if you have tons of space its better to do a whole-root zone? [01:22:21] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [01:22:52] *** emilianOS has joined #opensolaris [01:23:02] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: it really depends on what you want to achieve [01:23:28] <Rawn027_> im trying to acheive highest performance.... its a PostgreSQL db server [01:23:37] <Rawn027_> then there will be one other zone that will be the ruby on rails host [01:23:50] <Tempt> Good morning everyone., [01:23:58] <Rawn027_> Tempt: g'morning [01:24:00] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: ok, that's generally gonna be irrelevant to whether you want sparse or whole root [01:24:02] <jmcp_> hi Teknix [01:24:05] <jmcp_> hi Tempt, too [01:24:11] <Tempt> jmcp_: You've got a tail! [01:24:44] <jmcp_> Tempt: yeah ... it's the latest thing [01:24:51] <wesolows> devolution, man [01:24:52] <jmcp_> Tempt: I'm also working out of the city office today, rathe than home [01:24:53] <jmcp_> heh [01:24:59] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: lol [01:26:25] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: what would you say to do for my setup, sparse or whole-root [01:27:01] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: I'd use sparse [01:27:06] <jmcp_> that's what I use at home [01:27:19] <jmcp_> I've got a global zone, vpn zone (separate nic) and a webzone [01:27:29] <jmcp_> the vpn and webzones are all sparse [01:27:33] <Rawn027_> k thanks for the input.... and just everything in the global zone will appear in the sparse zones [01:27:40] <jmcp_> pretty much [01:27:43] <Rawn027_> nice [01:27:44] *** sarah has joined #opensolaris [01:27:48] <jmcp_> hi sarah [01:27:49] <Rawn027_> oooo im excited :) [01:27:52] <Rawn027_> thanks bud [01:27:58] <sarah> hi jmcp.. [01:27:58] <jmcp_> nowurries [01:28:01] <sarah> how's things? [01:28:04] <jmcp_> reasonably good [01:28:23] *** sarahj has quit IRC [01:28:52] <jmcp_> when snv_72 comes out I'm going to do a full backup + reinstall from scratch on my workstation, make sure I get all the new Caiman-related goodness :) [01:29:07] <sarah> good plan... [01:29:50] *** onlinebacon_ has joined #opensolaris [01:29:53] <Rawn027_> Caiman-related? [01:29:59] <Rawn027_> what is said caiman [01:30:04] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: new installer [01:30:07] <nrubsig> sarah: does that mean the old installer is gone ? [01:30:20] <Rawn027_> ooo are there any docs on this new installer? [01:30:22] <jmcp_> sarah: that and the funky one line change to ekiga [01:30:38] *** onlinebacon__ has joined #opensolaris [01:31:16] <nachox> the new installer is actually a new front end to the old backend at the moment right? [01:31:22] <Gman> yes [01:31:23] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman [01:31:35] <Rawn027_> ty sir [01:31:41] <sarah> Gman.. no. [01:31:43] <sarah> it isn't. [01:31:50] <Gman> well, dwarf is [01:31:52] <sarah> its partly on the same back end and there is a lot of new stuff as well. [01:31:55] <sarah> no, Dwarf isn't. [01:31:59] <Gman> oh, sorry :) [01:32:01] <sarah> I wrote a lot of the new back end. [01:32:06] *** onlinebacon__ has quit IRC [01:32:13] <sarah> some of it is... as we transition away from the old to the new. [01:32:16] <nachox> Gman, tired of being wrong already? :P [01:32:19] <sarah> but we are working toward the new. [01:32:26] <Gman> nachox, going back into my box. [01:32:55] <nachox> Gman, nah, stay till at least she finish explaining :) [01:33:10] <sarah> I am done... :-) [01:33:38] <Gman> < uninformed marketer, clearly :) [01:34:41] <sarah> Dwarf is ~80,000 lines of new installer... [01:34:46] <sarah> GUI + backend. [01:34:49] <nachox> Gman, of course not, blame the caiman guys for not delivering the message clear ;) [01:35:35] <Gman> nah, i just assumed dwarf was new gui on old pfinstall [01:35:38] <Gman> my fault ;) [01:35:49] <sarah> part of it is... but a lot of new functionality. [01:35:52] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [01:36:05] <paul> is it just me, or is there no way to find SNV builds from http://www.sun.com/download? [01:36:10] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [01:36:13] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [01:37:54] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [01:39:29] *** NikolaVeber_ has quit IRC [01:40:18] *** eboutilier_ has joined #opensolaris [01:42:28] <Gman> hey eric [01:42:43] <eboutilier_> Hi Gman [01:43:48] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [01:45:26] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [01:47:24] *** onlinebacon has quit IRC [01:47:33] *** Fish has quit IRC [01:49:06] *** emilianOS has quit IRC [01:49:22] *** onlinebacon_ has quit IRC [01:49:43] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [01:54:36] *** cajetanus_ has joined #opensolaris [01:57:33] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [01:58:23] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [01:58:38] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [01:59:46] *** bubbva has quit IRC [02:00:10] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [02:05:17] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [02:08:10] *** [R]itchie has quit IRC [02:08:19] *** [R]itchie has joined #opensolaris [02:09:46] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [02:10:15] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [02:15:14] *** cajetanus_ has quit IRC [02:15:18] *** cajetanus_ has joined #opensolaris [02:16:12] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [02:17:35] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [02:22:11] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [02:22:21] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:22:22] <delewis> I can't wait until "Sun to change stock ticker to JAVA" hits Slashdot. [02:22:26] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [02:22:27] <delewis> [sic] [02:22:40] <delewis> that's going to set Sun's image back 6 years. [02:24:41] <wesolows> only 6? [02:25:40] <delewis> please tell me you guys are raising hell internally (judging from the number of shareholders/employees that posted comments on his blog, I'd guess you are)? [02:27:51] <wesolows> There's no avenue for me to do so. [02:27:53] <nachox> delewis, that has to be the most pathetic marketing driven move i've seen in my life [02:28:52] <delewis> wesolows: I recall someone in here (maybe alanc) mentioning there was hell being raised when Sun marketing posted several ads regarding the 'three for the price of one' deal, which had an image of 3 Indian children. [02:28:55] <wesolows> I can't even get Sun to stand back and let engineers run OpenSolaris. [02:29:20] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [02:29:30] <delewis> I'd expect marketing to do crazy shit like this, but Jonathan... this has entirely changed my perspective on him. [02:29:33] <wesolows> Probably was, I don't know. That seems about par for the course for our marketing geniuses though. [02:29:36] <nrubsig> Somehow this feels like a company who is drowing and everyone else knows it's drowning.... and that a name change is the only hope to fool investors that the ship is still sailing... [02:29:49] *** steleman_ has joined #opensolaris [02:30:11] <wesolows> nrubsig: Really? Did you miss the giant profit? Or the huge success of Thumper, Niagara, and S10? [02:30:24] <delewis> its quite unfortunately, really, that Sun has never been able to back their real product gems effectively. [02:30:42] <delewis> marketing forces Java to overshadow everything else. [02:31:07] <wesolows> Yeah, if I thought we needed to change our ticker, I'd suggest SOLR long before Java. [02:31:27] <nrubsig> wesolows: I said "it feels like that this is a typical we're-drowning-lets-rename move". I didn't mean Sun is really drowning. It just feels... strange... [02:31:41] <nrubsig> s/said/mean/ [02:32:18] <nrubsig> delewis: remeber "LiveScript" ? Guess how it's named today ? [02:32:57] <nrubsig> wesolows: and "feels" means that the fur in my neck and on my arms is raising [02:33:43] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [02:33:46] <nrubsig> s/in/on/ [02:33:58] <nachox> wesolows, of course not, they will rename solaris to javaos [02:34:03] <wesolows> Well, executives do things every day that make no sense to me. While this is firmly in that category, as executive decisions go, it's not going to have much impact on my ability to do the work I want to do. In fact, it's probably as close to harmless and anything execs can do. [02:34:04] <nrubsig> heh [02:34:13] <nrubsig> nachox: that will come next. [02:34:19] *** cajetanus_ has quit IRC [02:34:20] <nrubsig> nachox: JavaLaris [02:34:45] <nrubsig> nachox: or Jalaris [02:34:47] <wesolows> If I had to choose only one battle to fight, this wouldn't be it. [02:35:17] <nrubsig> wesolows: problem is: without training you'll loose that one single fight [02:35:57] <nrubsig> nachox: JaVmLDominaTentacleLaris! [02:38:13] <nrubsig> Or use cool letters in other languages: "??????" [02:38:17] *** logic has joined #opensolaris [02:38:43] <moazamraja> nrubsig: wtf did u just call me??! [02:38:53] <nrubsig> ?! [02:39:19] <nrubsig> moazamraja: It's arabic for Sun. Blame wikipedia if it's wrong. [02:39:32] <nrubsig> moazamraja: and I checked it against google: http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&q=%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%AF&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=2 [02:39:33] <nachox> lol [02:39:57] <moazamraja> whaa... [02:40:26] *** mega has quit IRC [02:41:09] <moazamraja> looks like "jawad shauda" [02:41:25] <moazamraja> wait, for the word 'Sun' or Sun Microsystems? [02:41:46] <nrubsig> moazamraja: and in any case it was no attempt to offend anyone... I would use plaintext, direct english... like "<CENSORED-BY-CHILDGUARD at freenode dot net><CENSORED-BY-CHILDGUARD@freenode.net>", "<CENSORED-BY-CHILDGUARD at freenode dot net>" or "<CENSORED-BY-CHILDGUARD at freenode dot net>" [02:41:58] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [02:42:15] <nrubsig> moazamraja: "Sun", the thing in he sky [02:42:18] *** apersson has quit IRC [02:42:27] *** steleman has quit IRC [02:42:40] *** friendly12345 has joined #opensolaris [02:42:53] <moazamraja> oh... [02:43:00] <moazamraja> nrubsig: i was joking dude :) [02:43:01] <nrubsig> moazamraja: Dare I ask what "jawa shauda" means ? [02:43:26] <Tempt> !seen brendang [02:43:38] <Drone> brendang is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 23 Aug 2007 22:14 GMT, saying 'are we helping yet? :)'. [02:43:42] <Rawn027_> what is the approved way to make a whole-root zone [02:43:48] <Rawn027_> so i can install custom packages on the zone [02:43:49] <Tempt> brendang: ping [02:44:13] <moazamraja> but i'm not sure what that means [02:44:16] <moazamraja> or i'm reading it wrong [02:44:21] <moazamraja> Sun in arabic = Shams [02:44:40] <moazamraja> and Sun Microsysems in Arabic = ....Sun Microsystems, just written in arabic font :P [02:44:47] <brendang> ack [02:45:01] <nachox> wesolows, i had an interview at EDS today, it seems like i would be doing ticketting for sun if i get the job, hehe [02:45:15] <wesolows> I didn't even know they were our provider [02:45:17] *** steleman_ has quit IRC [02:45:34] <wesolows> EDS always seemed to me like Initech [02:45:42] <brendang> Tempt: 3 bytes from brendan (SF): icmp_seq=0. time=21049 ms [02:45:45] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris [02:45:46] *** slowhog has quit IRC [02:46:43] <Tempt> brendang: Aah, was hoping for some random dtrace advice. [02:46:46] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [02:46:57] <brendang> Tempt: I can give random DTrace advice [02:47:27] <Tempt> brendang: Have a case of intermittant lag / poor response with Oracle Application Server running on a T2000. CPU doesn't look loaded, I was hoping there might be some dtrace strategies to help determine the cause of the hassles. [02:47:28] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: the doco you needs is on docs.sun.com [02:47:34] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: look for "Solaris Containers" [02:48:06] <Tempt> brendang: There is no helpful information to be gleaned from vmstat/mpstat/iostat/lockstat/vxstat [02:48:28] <brendang> Tempt: sure; after a brief look at the system (vmstat/mpstat/prstat -m/iostat), you then might want to dig out off-cpu time for threads [02:48:44] <Rawn027_> so then why is it called "zones" :-P [02:49:01] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: not to be ungrateful... thanks just confused between the two names that are passed around [02:49:34] <Tempt> brendang: Hmm, that could be useful. Is this a mission for the almighty dtrace? [02:49:39] *** logic_ has quit IRC [02:49:44] <brendang> Tempt: it is [02:49:45] *** Lusitanian has quit IRC [02:50:11] <Tempt> brendang: I eagerly await your wisdom! (Or a URL.) [02:50:35] <brendang> Tempt: http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/dtracing_off_cpu_time [02:50:50] <Tempt> brendang: Lovely! Getting stuck into it now. [02:51:03] <brendang> Tempt: you should be able to apply some of those steps to the ora_* processes [02:51:21] <Tempt> I only wish the database servers were running Solaris 10. [02:51:32] <Tempt> Fortunately the problem seems to be at the appserver layer. [02:51:52] <brendang> Tempt: I *might* have a fresh Oracle server to play with here in SF, so I may have a chance to cook up some cool scripts... [02:52:12] <brendang> Tempt: Oracle isn't on sol 10? [02:52:24] <Tempt> brendang: Oracle is on Solaris 9 on an 890. [02:52:51] <brendang> Tempt: fair enough. apply the same strategies to the application. [02:53:11] <Tempt> brendang: If you're short an Oracle server to bash on, you're welcome to an instance on my 880. [02:53:16] <brendang> Tempt: and it may work better there (better stack context), or it may not (removed from actual problem) [02:53:37] <brendang> Tempt: do I get root or DTrace privileges? [02:53:40] *** cajetanus_ has joined #opensolaris [02:54:00] <Tempt> brendang: That could be arranged, sure, as long as you promise not to nail the host ;) [02:54:36] *** alobbs has quit IRC [02:55:10] <nachox> didnt you say that oracle was in a solaris 9? no dtrace there [02:55:11] <brendang> Tempt: I'd better put ipqos caps on the warez server then ;) [02:55:15] <Rawn027_> can i install this packages "SUNWsymon" after the fact (I did a full install + OEM) [02:55:22] <Rawn027_> and i only have ZFS Admin in my web console [02:56:00] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [02:56:18] <Tempt> brendang: Haha, indeed. Just drop me an email with an ssh key if you'd like an account. [02:56:24] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: they're called "containers" because Marketing got involved after engineering had developed the concept [02:56:31] <brendang> Tempt: yup, cool. [02:56:57] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: is there a way to install SUNWsymon [02:57:03] <Rawn027_> that is what the docs.sun.com recommends [02:57:14] <Rawn027_> its not in my pkginfo printout [02:57:25] <jmcp_> you don't want symon [02:57:28] <jmcp_> it's old [02:57:29] <jmcp_> *very* old [02:57:38] <jmcp_> which url is recommending that you install it? [02:57:43] <brendang> as is the docs, it seems :) [02:57:48] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [02:57:53] <Tempt> brendang: Pity dtrace doesn't run in zones. [02:57:59] <Rawn027_> the installing and configuring container manager [02:58:00] <Rawn027_> 3.6.1 [02:58:03] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris [02:58:10] <jmcp_> url [02:58:23] <Rawn027_> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5420/6n7gm3jpc?l=en&a=view&q=solaris+containers [02:58:26] <brendang> Tempt: DTrace does, on newer versions of nevada, and you can assign privileges to zones [02:58:40] <Tempt> brendang: Well, hopefully in update 5 [02:58:47] <nachox> Tempt, check the what's new section of u4 [02:58:54] <nachox> i think it is there [02:59:26] <Tempt> Aah, good. [03:00:20] <nachox> i *might* be wrong [03:00:55] <Tempt> Hmm, looks like any off-cpu time lives in libc.so.1`_read+0x8 [03:01:04] <Tempt> Which is probably related to waiting on http requests to complete [03:02:20] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [03:02:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [03:03:13] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: I don't see any mention of SUNWsymon in that url you mentioned [03:03:35] <Rawn027_> its all about symon, its the package that is supposedly the contrainer manager [03:04:09] <jmcp_> this is the first I've heard of symon being the container manager [03:04:21] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: but i guess since I am installing packages from source I want a whole root zone so the packages dont muddle up the global zone ... correct? [03:04:59] <jmcp_> Solaris packages? [03:05:27] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [03:05:28] <Rawn027_> compiling from source [03:05:34] <Rawn027_> namely ruby on rails stack [03:05:35] <jmcp_> oh, right [03:05:52] <Rawn027_> and using a reverse proxy to host static content and using a mongrel cluster to host the dynamic content [03:06:04] <Rawn027_> thinking about using apache 22 [03:06:05] <jmcp_> what I would do is create a dedicate filesystem for where you want to install RoR, and use that as the install location [03:06:27] <Rawn027_> so just add a loopback filesystem? and leave the rest a sparse zone? [03:06:32] <jmcp_> yeah [03:06:36] <jmcp_> thats what I do [03:06:37] <Rawn027_> so just add a /rails [03:06:42] <Rawn027_> some similar [03:06:51] <Rawn027_> could i bury that a tad deeper... like /var/www/rails? [03:06:59] <jmcp_> nah, don't do that [03:07:02] <Rawn027_> ok [03:07:09] <jmcp_> I'm philosophically opposed to /var/www/.... [03:07:12] <jmcp_> even /var/ftp annoys me [03:07:28] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [03:07:41] <nachox> jmcpwhy? [03:08:24] <jmcp_> nachox: /var is where I put information for the operating system's management [03:08:31] <jmcp_> I put apps in /opt or /opt/local [03:08:37] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: he has a good point [03:08:45] <Rawn027_> because /var is usually where logs are and other sensitive information [03:08:48] *** jHoNDoE has joined #opensolaris [03:08:55] <jmcp_> my website at home has data in /web/ [03:09:31] <Rawn027_> jmcp_: do you think it would be possible to add mongrel_cluster to SVC? [03:09:35] *** Netwolf has quit IRC [03:09:41] *** blindfish has quit IRC [03:10:05] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: SVC? [03:10:11] <Rawn027_> smf [03:10:16] <nachox> /var is where information that might vary in size a lot should go, i'm not opposed to /var/www. i, however /web though [03:10:38] <jmcp_> oh, right [03:11:01] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: yeah, but you'd have to write your own methods and manifests [03:11:08] <Rawn027_> of course :) [03:11:26] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: I'm also very much opposed to mongrel clusters or "poor man's cluster" - I've had to help recover too many customers who tried that and died very very horribly [03:12:04] <Tempt> Better to build one solid server than split the resources between to shabby hosts and a bailing wire and string cluster [03:13:27] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [03:13:41] <Rawn027_> there is no other good way to host a rails app thought [03:13:53] <Rawn027_> how would you host a rails app not using mongrel_cluster [03:13:56] *** cajetanus_ has quit IRC [03:15:06] <Tempt> Wrap it in a SUNWgds on SunCluster? [03:15:42] <jmcp_> Rawn027_: pull down Solaris Cluster from sun.com, *read doco*. *read doco again* . install. configure [03:16:04] <Rawn027_> will read... before i do... i dont need to use Jruby do i? [03:16:12] <jmcp_> I don't see why you would [03:16:14] <Tempt> huh? [03:16:27] * jmcp_ has no knowledge of Ruby, or anything related to it [03:16:28] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [03:16:46] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [03:16:49] <Rawn027_> JRuby is a java implementation of ruby and I am not a fan. [03:17:42] <Tempt> Hmm, take Ruby which is slow enough by design and add Java to waste memory and make it slower [03:17:45] <Tempt> FISTFUL OF WIN! [03:17:53] <Rawn027_> hahah my thoughts exactly [03:18:11] <nachox> lol [03:18:31] <nachox> cough *jython* cough [03:18:45] <Rawn027_> lol [03:19:06] <Tempt> Someone should do jksh [03:22:14] <Rawn027_> thanks for all the help [03:22:16] <Rawn027_> now to do the reading [03:22:29] <Rawn027_> have a great night/day [03:22:30] *** Rawn027_ has quit IRC [03:22:45] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [03:24:02] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [03:25:44] <nachox> Tempt, the only problem with one good server is that you need to update it and updating one good server means downtime, that is the one advantage of the clusters [03:26:16] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [03:26:19] <Tempt> Indeed, you need to schedule and plan your outages carefully. [03:26:22] *** mega has quit IRC [03:26:31] <Tempt> But I'd rather have 4 hours of scheduled downtime than 1 hour of crash [03:28:11] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [03:28:42] <alanc> slides for tonight's SVOSUG meeting ("Desktop Update") are posted at http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/resource/svosug_august.pdf for those who want to point and laugh [03:28:58] * alanc has to get going to make it to SCA in time to actually present them... [03:29:05] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [03:29:47] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [03:31:40] *** hile_ has quit IRC [03:31:41] <jmcp_> nachox: and the problem(s) with mongrel clusters / poor man's cluster *start* by even thinking about "implementing" one [03:32:48] <nachox> jmcp_, what can i say? sometimes you dont really have any other option [03:33:57] <Tempt> ha [03:33:58] <Tempt> haha. [03:34:03] <Tempt> You always have another option. [03:34:27] *** dlynes has joined #opensolaris [03:34:45] <jmcp_> nachox: if you think you need HA or Parallel ... you have to do it right [03:34:51] <jmcp_> otherwise you're better off just not bothering at all [03:35:35] <nachox> budget, budget, budget [03:35:40] <Tempt> If you need to stage upgrades and reduce downtime stick your application in zones [03:35:49] <Tempt> zone clone, start the new one, break the old one and flick back [03:36:27] <jmcp_> nachox: if you can't afford to purchase the equipment, you don't need HA [03:36:45] * jmcp_ takes a very hard line on this concept [03:37:06] <Tempt> has is cheap now anyway [03:37:11] <Tempt> two servers and some shared storage [03:37:26] <Tempt> Build a production grade cluster environment for $10k [03:37:27] <nachox> jmcp_, the poor man's cluster is called that way for a good reason, it is usually a little farm of x86 hardware that should otherwise be in the dumpster [03:37:40] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [03:37:55] <Tempt> I built one using a pair of v210s and a pair of S1s. [03:37:59] *** baijiutong has quit IRC [03:38:02] <Tempt> 4RU and highly available. [03:38:08] <jmcp_> nachox: I'm well aware of that [03:38:18] <jmcp_> and then ... it gets put into production [03:38:25] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC [03:38:34] <jmcp_> and suddenly mission-critical apps get run on it, and all hell breaks loose when something goes wrong [03:40:25] <nachox> well, that little farm cost a lot less than 10k in the very short run (add power budget and it suddenly doesnt sound like a good deal in the long run) but it is all some can afford at that time [03:41:08] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [03:41:39] <Tempt> I think the point here, is instead of using two ultra-crapshite hosts in a "cluster", get yourself a less crapulent host. [03:41:59] <Tempt> I'd say 75% of clusters I've seen deployed are *worse than useless* [03:42:04] *** asyd has quit IRC [03:42:09] <nachox> Tempt, you cant do zone migrations, we started on the premise there was only one server [03:42:10] <Tempt> A poor cluster *increases* outages and *decreases* availability [03:42:39] <Tempt> "cant do zone migrations" [03:42:42] <Tempt> hmm [03:42:51] <Tempt> I'm obviously taking the magic drugs again. [03:43:18] <Tempt> Go for it, build a CrapCluster(tm) and watch the cluster break and have outages caused by the additional failures of the clustering [03:44:16] <nachox> i'm not in favor of tham, and i try to avoid them like hell but i had to deal with the kind of management that gives you all the crappy hardware and expects results [03:45:12] <moazamraja> shit...i want to go that meeting tonight [03:45:13] <moazamraja> argggh [03:50:14] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [03:51:25] <nrubsig> The Return Of The Jedi^H^H^H^HBochnigs! [03:51:42] <nachox> nod [03:52:00] <nrubsig> Fear him, <insert-AntiSolaris-villain-of-the-day> [03:52:21] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [03:52:47] <nrubsig> The Great <insert-slime> is back! [03:53:06] <nrubsig> (Ok, the last one was a bit too strong) [03:53:15] <nrubsig> (Maybe the rest, too) [03:53:27] <nrubsig> (maybe I should just shut up and continue eating) [03:53:31] <jbk> evening [03:53:33] <Tempt> rm -f nrubsig [03:54:06] *** nrubsig has left #opensolaris [03:54:45] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [03:54:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [03:54:51] * nrubsig is back! [03:55:31] <Tempt> sqlplus / as sysdba [03:55:34] <Tempt> drop user nrubsig; [03:55:35] <Tempt> commit; [03:55:46] <nachox> nrubsig, , you're bored arent you? [03:55:48] *** dunc has quit IRC [03:56:08] <Tempt> nrubsig has been replaced by a shell script. [03:56:13] <Tempt> I bet you can guess which shell was used! [03:56:31] <jmcp_> Tempt: ksh88, /sbin/sh or zsh [03:56:42] <bobbyz> ksh93! [03:56:51] <nachox> csh? [03:57:16] <Tempt> bash! [03:57:27] <Tempt> (which will soon be /sbin/sh) [03:57:31] <nrubsig> kash! [03:57:35] <jmcp_> ash!! [03:57:40] <nachox> no! [03:57:44] <nrubsig> dash! [03:57:45] <Tempt> alright, lunchtime for me. [03:57:48] <Tempt> Have fun. [03:57:49] <bobbyz> nash! [03:57:54] <nachox> john? [03:58:03] <nachox> not that one, he has mental issues [03:58:03] <nrubsig> bohn! [03:58:44] *** jamesd has quit IRC [03:59:18] <nachox> nrubsig, have you thought of integrating python into ksh and have a set -o python to use python features? ;) [03:59:42] <bobbyz> go python, woohoo! [03:59:57] <bobbyz> you'd hardly even notice the bloat [04:00:05] <nachox> pysh? ;) [04:00:12] <bobbyz> hehe [04:00:20] <nrubsig> nachox: try $ builtin python [04:00:25] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [04:00:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [04:00:32] <nrubsig> nachox: e.g. already done. [04:00:45] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [04:01:15] <nachox> what does $ do? [04:02:17] <nrubsig> nachox: shell prompt [04:08:51] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [04:10:02] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [04:10:24] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [04:10:43] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [04:10:58] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [04:13:36] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris [04:16:54] <jbk> heh you'd think the spell checker used on the os.org sites would have opensolaris in their dictionary :) [04:20:25] *** jamesd has quit IRC [04:33:55] *** KuArZo has joined #OpenSolaris [04:34:04] <KuArZo> hi [04:34:43] <KuArZo> anyone can tell me if a fibre network card can be managment a fibre channel storage? [04:35:58] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris [04:36:26] <Doc> wtf... SUNW is dead? [04:36:38] <jbk> long live SUNW [04:36:38] <nrubsig> Doc: yes. M$ took it over. [04:36:56] <nrubsig> Now, please... a song for the dead! [04:36:56] * nachox stabs nrubsig [04:37:03] *** gn00b____ has quit IRC [04:37:06] <Doc> that's just... [04:37:09] <Doc> like.. [04:37:35] * Doc checks the date - not the first of april is it? [04:37:42] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [04:37:55] <jbk> hmm.. should i file a bug for each separate output bug dis has, or one to cover all of them.. [04:38:01] <nrubsig> "looooooonnnnggg liiiivveeee the SuuuuuuunW', loooooong' live the SuuuuuuuuuW', long shall it liiiiivve in our memories, long shall it shine.... looooooo..." [04:38:13] <KuArZo> nrubsig please i need know yes or not? [04:38:35] <KuArZo> can be admin fibre channel storage with e1000g0? [04:38:38] <nrubsig> KuArZo: "yes" or "no" for what ? [04:39:26] <nrubsig> KuArZo: please rephase your question... I have trouble to parse your last sentence... [04:40:24] <KuArZo> i need manage a fibre channel storage [04:40:29] <nachox> nrubsig, i am about to fill a bug in opensolaris requesting for a new life for SUNW :P [04:40:51] <nrubsig> KuArZo: and your problem is ? [04:40:57] <KuArZo> my question is if i can with e1000g0 [04:41:03] <KuArZo> ? [04:41:15] <nrubsig> KuArZo: you mean ssh on the machine ? [04:41:30] <KuArZo> to what IP! [04:42:09] <nrubsig> KuArZo: erm... are you aware that networking (ethernet devices like e1000g) and fibre channel (disk drive) are different entities ? [04:43:25] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [04:43:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [04:43:27] <nrubsig> KuArZo: if you only have to access the machine to which the fibre channel stuff is connected to then you could simply log-in via ssh to that machine and do the admin stuff there (assuming the home dir of that user nor any system dir is located on the fibre channel disks) [04:43:39] <nrubsig> s/only// [04:43:47] <Doc> "We're the dot in ... no, wait ... We're Eco ... oops, I mean ... We're all about web 2.0 ... umm ... " Sun has ADHD at the highest levels, and the monkeys have taken over the zoo." [04:45:34] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [04:47:04] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [04:47:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [04:47:05] *** steve1 has joined #opensolaris [04:47:30] *** steve1 has quit IRC [04:47:31] <Gman> evening steve [04:47:55] *** stevel has quit IRC [04:48:10] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [04:48:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [04:48:13] <stevel> 'evening :) [04:52:18] <Doc> gman: can i have a pony too? [04:53:55] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [04:58:40] <Gman> Doc, :) [04:59:08] <Doc> i'm thinking WTF would be better, but it's only 3 letters [04:59:17] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [04:59:28] <Gman> mike dolan suggested that ibm register 'tail' and create an alliance ;) [04:59:58] <Tempt> sunw dead? huh [05:00:00] <Tempt> ? [05:00:01] <jbk> Gman, stevel: i'd like your opinion on something real quick [05:00:04] <delewis> Tempt: renamed to JAVA [05:00:06] <Tempt> Oh, christ [05:00:07] <Tempt> JAVA [05:00:08] <Gman> jbk, sure [05:00:09] <Tempt> That's *FUCKED* [05:00:18] <CIA-16> johnny: 6413031 x86: Need to support MSI-X, 6511955 Neptune TCP Rx throughput bottlenecked by single cpu on 16-core G4 [05:00:19] <delewis> Tempt: read JS's latest blog post.. [05:00:22] <Gman> i believe you can comment on jonathan's blog instead ;) [05:00:23] <Tempt> /opt/JAVAbollocks [05:00:24] <Tempt> /opt/JAVAcrap [05:00:25] <stevel> jbk: shoot [05:00:34] <stevel> jbk: were you the one who filed the disasm bug? [05:00:43] <jbk> like 10 mins ago? yes [05:00:45] <delewis> Tempt: dunno if that'll happen yet, but if Sun wishes to abide by the standards they help to create, that'll be needed. [05:00:59] <stevel> 30 mins ago.. [05:01:02] <stevel> but sure :) [05:01:09] <stevel> *Synopsis*: need non-encumbered libdisasm.so.1 for sparc [05:01:10] <jbk> however, it was also suggested to file a bug(s) for various output errors i've found with the current closed lib [05:01:13] <jbk> yeah [05:01:31] <Gman> steve or me can easily update the bug with any output you'd like [05:01:32] <jbk> basically a placeholder (the code's pretty much done minus some s/<space>/<tab>/ bits [05:01:36] <Tempt> I'm beginning to think the best thing that could happen to Schwartz is getting his hair stuck in a lineprinter. [05:01:54] <jbk> well it was more in filing additional bugs against the current closed source behavior [05:01:59] <delewis> Tempt: on a more positive note, Sun has begun to open various hardware specs. [05:02:05] <jbk> should i do one giant one, or one for each pathology [05:02:13] <stevel> how related are the various bugs? [05:02:14] <Gman> jbk, that can be done either - entirely your choice [05:02:21] <jbk> well [05:02:29] <jbk> depends :) [05:02:34] <stevel> in terms of root cause [05:02:46] <jbk> well, not having the source of the closed bin to look at, I can't say :) [05:02:53] <stevel> if they have different root causes, then file them separately with "See also" [05:02:56] <stevel> that's a darn good point :) [05:03:13] <jbk> but for example, whenever it refers to a double-precision float, it always uses %fNN instead of %dNN [05:03:33] <jbk> then on various instructions that take a combination of single and floating operands, it often gets which is which mixed up [05:04:03] <stevel> i would file them separately - that way the RE can at least try and root cause them and decide whether they will be fixed independently or all in one wad [05:04:04] <jbk> then you see stuff like 'ld [%fp - -0x1000], %l4' [05:04:09] <stevel> though it may all be mooted with your work :) [05:04:15] <jbk> they will be :) [05:04:24] <Gman> interesting to see how this code goes back [05:04:43] <stevel> well file separately for now, since they might be fixed in patch/update gates which may continue with the encumbered libdisasm [05:05:40] <Gman> jbk, have you asked for a sponsor yet out of curiosity? [05:05:52] <jbk> not yet [05:05:55] <jbk> since I just thought of it [05:06:00] <jbk> and they appear to be idle :) [05:06:05] <Gman> might also be worth doing [05:06:09] *** program has quit IRC [05:06:42] <nachox> wasnt che kristo a sun employee? [05:06:53] <Gman> would be good to map out how the process to replace them could work [05:07:47] *** niyaje has joined #opensolaris [05:08:20] <Doc> you mean a JAVA employee? [05:08:23] *** KuArZo has quit IRC [05:08:37] <jbk> heh [05:08:53] *** stevel has quit IRC [05:09:08] <nachox> well, that [05:09:37] <jbk> i would ask if now there's going to be a massive s/SUNW/JAVA/ across everything in solaris (packages, library versions, etc.), but I figure based on some of the reactions i've seen, if only out of a bit of spite, would they not change (even if there were no other issues) :) [05:09:53] <Doc> but what about for new packages? [05:10:01] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [05:10:09] <stevel> huh. guess my laptop doesn't support xrandr [05:10:09] <stevel> :-P [05:10:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [05:10:12] * delewis awaits JAVAcsu [05:10:22] <Doc> JAVAjava ! [05:10:23] <Gman> stevel, heh, i don't think 1.2 has landed yet? [05:10:37] <stevel> gman: nope - i was just curious what would happen if i tried :) [05:10:42] <stevel> apparently Xorg will crash [05:10:44] <nachox> someone should just send a couple of hitmen to jonathans house with a sunw symbol [05:10:45] <Gman> ah [05:10:54] * Gman wants to see staroffice -> openoffice [05:11:00] <Doc> javaoffice [05:11:15] <Gman> i thought the cards were on the table for staroffice until that google deal : [05:16:56] <stevel> brb. renaming my laptop :-P [05:17:00] *** stevel has quit IRC [05:18:33] <Tempt> Man [05:18:35] <nrubsig> japtop! [05:18:52] <Tempt> Schwartz is on crack. [05:19:33] <nrubsig> Tempt: file a bug! [05:21:14] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [05:22:16] <jbk> though it is just a ticker symbol [05:22:48] <jbk> my last company went through three (well 4 if you count the merger) [05:22:51] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [05:22:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [05:23:01] <Tempt> I'm just waiting to see the teenage audience Schwartz keeps banging on about buy a Sun product. [05:23:12] <Tempt> Perhaps Sun could sell Java t-shirts or something. [05:23:37] <nachox> stevel, renaming your laptop? [05:23:38] <jbk> well i'm sure if they have $10k to throw around... [05:24:00] <niyaje> java.coder.slapday.com [05:24:10] <stevel> needed to change my nodename so it matched my hostname [05:24:12] <jbk> though, i think Sun should start advertising in inflight magazines [05:24:19] <nrubsig> Tempt: Schwarz for president!! [05:24:21] <stevel> donuthore.sfbay.sun.com :) [05:24:26] <jbk> it's depressing how many executive-level decisions are made from those [05:24:37] <Tempt> perhaps Sun should just give up [05:24:40] <jbk> might as well take advantage [05:24:41] <Tempt> Stop selling hardware; ditch Solaris [05:24:48] <Tempt> Stick to pushing Java out the door [05:24:51] <Gman> stevel, mature, very mature :) [05:24:54] <Tempt> They could fire 70% of their staff. [05:25:12] <stevel> gman: i never claimed to be otherwise ;-) [05:27:02] <Tempt> Amazing how the only comments defending the decision come from those on the Sun payroll. [05:28:28] <delewis> and Java junkies that probably have never bought a piece of Sun hardware or used Solaris. [05:28:49] <Tempt> Why would they? [05:28:49] <nachox> Tempt, have you seen jonathans blog? hehe [05:28:59] <Tempt> nachox: I've read it and the comments. [05:29:00] <jbk> well really, it's just a ticker symbol, i always thought the names tended to be nothing more than bragging rights for executives and finance types [05:29:06] <Tempt> I think there is a hearty dose of crack in the air. [05:29:45] <nachox> Tempt, all they did was confusing existing SUNW costumers [05:29:46] <Tempt> Changing a ticker symbol is a way to get remembered, I'm sure it'll do Schwartz well for his biography. [05:29:58] <Tempt> nachox: You mean JAVA customers? [05:30:01] <Tempt> They should change their logo next. [05:30:08] <Tempt> To an orange box of wait. [05:30:11] <nachox> pathetic [05:30:19] <jbk> nachox: howso? I mean seriously, how often does a company's stock ticker symbol come up? [05:30:23] <Tempt> an orange box with some google ads hanging off the side [05:30:36] <delewis> jbk: enough for their to be 150+ comments on JS's blog. [05:30:43] <Tempt> jbk: Actually, it seems that everyone calls Sun by their stock symbol. Blogs, media, magazine articles... [05:30:53] <Tempt> Every pkgadd [05:31:02] <delewis> and the majority of them are criticizing the decision. [05:31:28] <delewis> just for curiousity, I've told several friends and colleagues, and it just illicits a chuckle. [05:31:29] <nachox> jbk, for good or bad, existing investors were used to trading SUNW stocks [05:31:38] <jbk> i don't know, it just seems rather moot in the grand scheme of things [05:31:53] <Tempt> perhaps they hope people won't work out how to move from shorting SUNW to shorting JAVA [05:31:56] <nachox> jbk, which is why it shouldnt have happened at all [05:32:25] <jbk> but executives (at least some of them) have to feel useful :) [05:32:42] <Gman> Tempt, jonathan's done a lot more other stunts to get remembered [05:32:47] <Gman> you know, first ceo blog [05:32:54] <nachox> ohh, come on, they should find ways to feel usefull and be usefull at the same time [05:33:11] <Tempt> I'm not in the marketing industry - a blogging ceo is just another windbag online. [05:33:38] <Tempt> I couldn't give a *toss* about making grand marketing firsts or being a pioneer in dribble. [05:33:39] <delewis> and plenty of companies are being laughed at a lot less than Sun is at the moment that also happen to lack a CEO blogger, like IBM. [05:34:03] <Tempt> McNealy had more memorable stunts, and at least some of the customers liked him. [05:34:35] <nachox> he is a funny guy, yes :P [05:34:48] <nachox> he invented itanic after all [05:35:57] <Gman> nachox, open sourcing ultrasparc? [05:36:06] <Gman> nachox, open sourcing solaris/java/ ..? [05:36:18] <Tempt> You know, with the amount of money they'll be pissing up against the wall on this move they could have hired quite a few developers or engineers or support staff [05:36:30] <delewis> if memory serves me right the project to start opening Solaris happened during McNealy's time. [05:36:48] <Tempt> Our CIO just came up to ask if this was a joke. [05:37:00] <Tempt> And yes, opening Solaris was started by Scott. [05:37:27] <Tempt> Hiring Murdock though, that was a pure Schwartz move [05:37:44] <nachox> Gman, what about those? [05:37:57] <delewis> he had some temporary fixation with Ubuntu a couple of years ago. [05:38:04] <jbk> of course, i remember seeing papers suggesting this (opening solaris) from like 94 :) [05:38:47] <Gman> nachox, i think they're relatively good milestones to feel proud about [05:39:04] <Gman> Tempt, schwartz didn't hire murdock [05:39:18] <Gman> ian doesn't sit on jonathan's staff [05:39:21] <delewis> and as for Niagara, I consider the bulk of Sun's processor R&D to be dead, as Sun seems to be no longer interested in developing mid-range and high-end chips. [05:39:31] <nachox> Gman, most of those things should have happened long ago, i will not congratulate them for doing their damn jobs [05:39:40] <delewis> (that's illustrated by the fact Fujitsu seems to be taking over a good chunk of Sun's midrange and high-end market) [05:39:57] <Tempt> Gman: If you think Murdock was hired with Schwartz's involvement, then you're either deluded or Sun makes these particularly crazy decisions without corporate governance. Either way, it looks bad. [05:40:04] <nachox> delewis, i'd wait for rock before saying that, but that is just me [05:40:13] <Gman> Tempt, i know so, sorry. [05:40:18] <Tempt> You know, Gman, just because they sign your paycheck doesn't mean you have to defend every boneheaded move. [05:40:21] <delewis> nachox: Rock is dead, is it not? [05:40:32] <Auralis> delewis: no [05:40:35] <jbk> umm, it's very much alive [05:40:44] <syndrome71> rock dead?? [05:40:48] <syndrome71> who started that rumour? [05:40:49] <Tempt> A living rock. [05:41:01] <Tempt> Is that like on of those chia things? [05:41:18] <Gman> Tempt, i think schwartz is a good ceo - and i'll defend my opinion on that. you can choose to ignore it, and i don't do it only because i get a paycheck [05:41:19] <Tempt> It was UltraSPARC V that was cancelled. [05:41:21] <jbk> the chiasparc, add water and it grows :) [05:41:22] <Tempt> Not rock. [05:41:23] <nachox> delewis, chris rock is dead, his movies were crap, sun's chip is very much alive [05:41:50] <Tempt> Gman: Even the best CEO can make boneheaded decisions from time to time, and judging by the public response this is a boneheaded decision. [05:41:56] <delewis> nachox: right, and that explains why Sun made a Fujitsu to cater to the mid-range and high-end markets (Rock's targets)? [05:42:01] <delewis> deal with8 [05:42:26] <Tempt> Well, I don't think Rock is meant to ship before 2022 anyway. [05:42:42] <nachox> delewis, no, that deal was supposed to fill the gap between US IV and rock but fujitsu kept delaying them [05:42:42] <jbk> i think a lot of that was probably done when things were a bit more uncertain about the processor roadmap.. a hedge more than anything [05:42:44] <Tempt> So they're well on-target. [05:43:08] <Auralis> the problem with the current fusi based machiens is that they where way to late so the time till rock comes otu is not realy significant. original the fusi boxes shoudl have been out early last year [05:43:08] <jbk> actually i believe it's next year [05:44:03] <Tempt> Although the 8 strokes reference ... perhaps JAVA will acquire 888.com and get into the online gambling business? [05:44:14] <nachox> delewis, i think actually sun engineers has solaris booting in rock [05:44:19] <nachox> *have [05:44:46] <Tempt> I'll believe it when I see one. I saw the Niagara 2 machine running months ago, so I'm sure I'll see some heads-up on Rock if it happens. [05:44:48] <delewis> booting on Rock? so that makes the time to market introduction how much longer? [05:44:59] <jbk> well [05:45:05] <jbk> that could be via simulations [05:45:06] <delewis> and by then IBM will have moved the POWER6 into the mid-range line. [05:45:17] <Tempt> IBM are already selling POWER6 [05:45:24] <delewis> Tempt: high-end only, still. [05:45:31] <Doc> JavaRock you mean - it's been renamed [05:45:32] <nachox> check the prices [05:45:34] <Tempt> I believe POWER7 will be taped out late next year according to the roadmap [05:45:51] <Doc> JavaRock will be the replacement for the UltraJavaSparc IV [05:46:01] <nachox> plus ibm has another problem, aix sucks ;) [05:46:14] <jbk> that's never stopped them before :) [05:46:23] <jbk> but ibm never wins on price or technical merit [05:46:35] <jbk> they win because they are _very_ good at schmoozing upper mgmt [05:46:41] <jbk> and making them feel all warm and fuzzy [05:46:49] <Gman> uh, a lot of the time they do win on price [05:46:59] <jbk> i've not seen it [05:47:08] <Gman> midrange definitely [05:47:09] <jbk> _if_ the do, it's because they've purposely underbid [05:47:18] <nachox> Gman, sure, when they are the only bidder :P [05:47:25] * Gman sits in sales office where deals are lost to ibm because they can't compete [05:47:25] <delewis> they're selling some fairly affordable low-end systems, nowadays, too. [05:47:29] <Tempt> JavaSPARC [05:47:34] <delewis> you can get a System p for a little over $3,000 base. [05:47:45] <jbk> or do tricks where they give you the hardware cheap, then bend you over for support [05:47:54] <Gman> jbk, possibly [05:47:56] <Tempt> jbk: Sun are pretty good schmoozing, too - 140+ E25Ks sold for webservers and nameservers [05:47:56] <Auralis> UltraJavaEnterpriseSparcRock [05:48:07] <delewis> and it'll outperform (at least for single-threaded workloads) much better than anything Sun has put out, period. [05:48:14] <nachox> Tempt, who got raped like that?!! [05:48:24] <delewis> (look at SPECint and SPECfp and see what chip is dominating those) [05:48:27] <Tempt> nachox: Telstra. It's well known. [05:48:28] <delewis> it ain't SPARC and it ain't AMD64. [05:48:32] <nrubsig> delewis: who's your employer ? IBM ? =:-) [05:48:56] <Tempt> nachox: Check the comments on the previous Schwartz blogpost and search for 25k [05:48:57] <syndrome71> hm - Who is dominating them? Itanium? [05:49:12] <Doc> tempt: umm.. webservers and nameservers? [05:49:15] <nachox> delewis, really? that cheap? how much ram? [05:49:16] <delewis> syndrome71: POWER5/POWER5+ [05:49:21] <delewis> nachox: 1GB min. [05:49:22] <nrubsig> does anyone remeber who "John Rice" is ? [05:49:26] <Gman> nrubsig, yes [05:49:29] <syndrome71> hm - I must be looking at old stuff. ;) [05:49:32] <nrubsig> Gman: dtrace ? [05:49:36] <nachox> delewis, it's actually not expensive [05:49:37] <Gman> nrubsig, JDS [05:49:41] <nrubsig> groan [05:49:55] <Tempt> Doc: Everything goes on a domain. Need DNS? That's two domains. MXs? two domains. [05:49:56] <Gman> nrubsig, been working with mozilla team doing dtrace probes, and netbeans mercurial plugin [05:50:08] <Tempt> Doc: Jumpstart server? Two domains [05:50:19] <jbk> ooh.. now if the C/C++ module could improve a bit in netbeans [05:50:21] <Gman> nrubsig, staff engineer/architect for JDS group [05:50:22] <Doc> tempt: actually the jumpstart server is a V240 [05:50:31] <jbk> and maybe support sun's cstyle as an option :) [05:50:40] <Doc> but even so, there's a little more to the 100+ E25k's than just nameservers and webservers [05:50:44] <Tempt> Doc: Haha, no doubt it'll be moved to a 25k soon. [05:51:05] <jbk> actually i wouldn't be surprised if it was the customer insisting on that [05:51:24] <Doc> sorry, i mean a Java25k [05:51:27] <nrubsig> Gman: who was the person who talked about dtrace at the GUUG conference in berlin early this year ? [05:51:42] <Gman> nrubsig, john rice probably [05:51:45] <nachox> how can the customer insist on paying 100* E25k for that? [05:51:52] <Gman> nrubsig, balded head, always smiles, talks fast [05:51:54] <jbk> you'd be surprised [05:52:10] <jbk> especially if the person doing the purchasing only has a little technical knowledge [05:52:21] <nrubsig> Gman: photos ? [05:52:24] <Gman> nrubsig, one sec [05:52:31] <jbk> at one time, one of the big IT buzzwords that seemed to be floating around some big companies was 'simplification' [05:52:49] <nachox> jbk, but typically purchase orders touch a lot of hands [05:52:50] <jbk> 'we need to be like southwest airlines -- 1 or maybe 3 different kinds of servers, and that's it' [05:52:57] <Tempt> nachox: Scott McNealy schmooooooozed the CEO over a few days on the golf course. [05:53:08] <Tempt> nachox: And Sun doesn't support any of that, IBM has all the support contracts. [05:53:11] <jbk> yeah, but generally it's someone higher up that says 'do it' or 'not' [05:53:42] <nachox> Tempt, ohh, i would bet there was some money for the CEO in the deal then [05:53:43] <Gman> jonathan's probably too nerdy to play golf [05:54:38] <jbk> what i've seen is that they look at x86, or HP (PA-RISC/Itanic), or IBM, and see that it's a pain to support so many different HW models on those platforms [05:55:03] <jbk> and so, they do save a lot of money if they stick to 1-2 models per vendor [05:55:10] <jbk> and then think they must do the same with sun [05:55:12] <jbk> or [05:55:19] <jbk> they are so bloated with bureaucrary [05:55:40] <jbk> that having something like the 25ks for COD essentially actually saves them money by allowing for quicker provisioning [05:55:53] <jbk> which yes, is symptomatic of a different problem [05:56:05] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [05:56:17] <jbk> but mgmt rarely will do anything about that unless forced to (i.e. diving stock price), and even then, they usually do the wrong thing [05:56:26] <jbk> not that i've been through any of that or anything :) [05:56:30] <nachox> well, it actually saves money if you dont buy 100+ [05:57:27] <nachox> anyway, i should really be off to bed, i have to be up early, night all [05:57:37] *** nachox has quit IRC [06:00:18] <CIA-16> gd78059: 6589668 naked constant in hme is incorrect, bcopies stack garbage somewhere it shouldn't go, 6593956 After cpr resume, ultra-10 ultra-60 and ultra-80 systems lose communications cannot ping/be pinged, 6594442 hme_m_start should return error when hardware init fails, 6594448 hme minor cleanups [06:00:56] *** jamesd has quit IRC [06:01:32] <bda> http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2007/08/23/via-announces-1-watt-processor-dubbed-eden [06:02:51] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [06:02:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [06:09:15] *** baijiutung has joined #opensolaris [06:12:49] *** karrotx has quit IRC [06:13:08] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [06:15:18] *** dlynes has quit IRC [06:19:24] *** jamesd has quit IRC [06:23:56] *** Gman has quit IRC [06:24:10] *** baijiutong has quit IRC [06:25:43] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [06:26:39] *** stevel has quit IRC [06:28:22] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [06:28:40] *** sarah has quit IRC [06:32:43] *** laca has quit IRC [06:32:44] *** sbahra has joined #opensolaris [06:37:06] *** jwit_ is now known as jwit [06:41:39] *** yippi has quit IRC [06:43:21] *** jwk404 has quit IRC [06:43:50] *** sbahra_ has joined #opensolaris [06:53:27] *** jmcp_ has quit IRC [06:56:01] *** BatonT has joined #opensolaris [06:56:32] *** sbahra has quit IRC [06:59:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC [06:59:59] *** sbahra_ has quit IRC [07:00:10] *** sbahra_ has joined #opensolaris [07:00:17] <CIA-16> akolb: 6593891 CPU Caps code incorrectly assumes that cap stays on [07:00:18] *** sbahra_ is now known as sbahra [07:01:37] *** sbahra_ has joined #opensolaris [07:01:47] *** sbahra has quit IRC [07:01:53] *** sbahra_ is now known as sbahra [07:06:26] *** sbahra has quit IRC [07:08:12] *** perlmonk has joined #opensolaris [07:12:45] *** dunc has quit IRC [07:15:24] *** gm152 has quit IRC [07:17:23] *** Berny has quit IRC [07:17:30] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris [07:21:17] <eboutilier_> quit [07:21:20] *** eboutilier_ has quit IRC [07:24:18] *** Gman has quit IRC [07:26:19] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [07:29:33] *** trede has joined #opensolaris [07:40:55] <nrubsig> anyone awake ? [07:41:18] <bda> Only us pigeons. [07:41:18] <niyaje> ssshhh [07:41:21] * niyaje is sleeping [07:41:36] <nrubsig> Anyone awake who knows script code a bit ? [07:45:37] *** estibi_ has quit IRC [07:47:22] <niyaje> depends what kind of code... [07:47:25] <niyaje> i only read/write matrix code. [07:48:27] <bda> Which is to say, niyaje is only interested if there are blondes, brunettes and/or redheads involved. [07:50:17] *** Gekkko has joined #opensolaris [07:54:06] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [07:55:41] *** cmang_ has joined #opensolaris [07:58:11] *** monzie has quit IRC [07:59:02] *** baijiutung has quit IRC [07:59:07] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [07:59:15] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris [08:00:51] *** monzie has joined #opensolaris [08:01:48] * Tempt pikes niyaje in the ribs [08:07:32] *** friendly12345 has left #opensolaris [08:07:58] <niyaje> oi. [08:12:02] <WickedWicky> good morning people [08:12:33] <jmcp> gday [08:12:58] <WickedWicky> niyaje: nothing wrong with brunettes and redheads.. ditch the blondes though [08:12:58] <dlg> ola [08:13:01] <WickedWicky> hey jmcp :) [08:13:02] <WickedWicky> and dlg [08:13:15] * WickedWicky blew up his Athlon 2400XP 32 bit :P [08:13:19] <jmcp> WickedWicky: my wife would take exception to your statement [08:13:21] <WickedWicky> so now I have an Athlon 64 bit [08:13:39] <bda> ha. [08:13:40] <WickedWicky> well, I dont think you're looking for bussiness only involving femals [08:13:45] <jmcp> heh [08:13:46] <bda> Upgrade by hardware failure. [08:13:48] * dlg considering getting his arm machine up and running again [08:13:53] <WickedWicky> or you'd have somebody with a frying pan chasing you [08:14:50] <WickedWicky> bda: yea... well, i wanted to buy another motherboard and CPU already, and with that in mind I thought it would be a learning moment to overclock my CPU for the first time in my lofe [08:14:56] <WickedWicky> I think it was the last time as welll [08:14:59] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [08:15:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [08:15:13] <WickedWicky> lofe = life [08:15:27] <bda> Heh. [08:15:54] <WickedWicky> I was amased by how cheap x64 hardware is these days [08:16:05] *** madhatter has joined #opensolaris [08:16:14] <madhatter> hello [08:16:17] <WickedWicky> hey [08:16:18] <LeftWing> Commoditisation will do that to prices. [08:16:24] <jmcp> hi madhatter [08:19:27] <WickedWicky> ok, coffee and then traveling to the office, be good all [08:19:28] <bda> Hm. Taking daily snapshots of the office fileserver without cleaning up empty snaps for four months makes for the funny. [08:20:23] *** cmang has quit IRC [08:20:33] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [08:21:23] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [08:24:19] <Tempt> LeftWing: Blorf. [08:24:34] <Tempt> LeftWing: What's happening out your way? [08:27:13] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris [08:28:08] <jmcp> is it beer o'clock yet? [08:28:51] <bda> Hey, it's 11am somewhere. [08:29:07] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [08:29:45] <jmcp> heh [08:30:08] <dlg> its always 11am somewhere [08:31:11] <Tempt> Beertime! [08:31:16] <Tempt> jmcp: Come down and have a beer [08:31:38] <trygvis> or even 8:31am [08:31:51] <jmcp> Tempt: sounds ok to me [08:31:56] * jmcp wanders downstairs to get a beer [08:32:46] <dlg> jmcp: if you drink and type you're a bloody legend [08:34:16] *** sponix_ has joined #opensolaris [08:34:39] <jmcp> dlg: if you can drink and code ... and the code compiles first time and does what you want it to .... then you're a bloody legend :-) [08:34:50] <niyaje> what if you drink+type+wardrive at the same time? [08:34:58] <niyaje> you're a bloody geek with a vehicle arent you! [08:35:08] <madhatter> Tempt: brrrr, beer at 8:30 in the morning? [08:35:39] <dlg> jmcp: does the code ahve to pass peer review too? [08:35:45] <jmcp> always [08:36:00] <dlg> unpossible [08:36:17] * boyd has Ralph Wiggum flashbacks [08:37:36] * jmcp channels Monty Burns [08:37:41] <bda> You're only a legend if you can do Jaeger shots, write code, and then write *unit tests*. [08:37:46] <bda> oorah. [08:38:05] <LeftWing> With full code coverage! [08:38:44] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [08:38:53] <dlg> pfft, unit tests [08:39:09] <Doc> it's JAVAjmcp! [08:39:27] <jmcp> Doc: indeed! [08:39:47] * jmcp tries to think of a connotation for "unit" in "unit tests" [08:39:50] * jmcp goes back to the beer [08:40:39] <bda> Uh oh. Already with the dong jokes. [08:41:18] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [08:41:39] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [08:41:39] <jmcp> bda: you started it :-) [08:41:42] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [08:42:03] <bda> You aren't pinning this one on me, copper. [08:43:37] *** MacStore has joined #opensolaris [08:44:24] <e^ipi> plan & write tests sober [08:44:41] <e^ipi> then get drunk... the next morning run the tests [08:45:04] <niyaje> "then" ? [08:45:09] <niyaje> shouldnt this be "during" [08:45:13] <niyaje> like a process... [08:45:18] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris [08:45:22] <niyaje> process of continual drunkenness. [08:45:49] *** sponix has quit IRC [08:47:26] <MacStore> Hey all [08:47:29] <Tempt> niyaje: Drunkenness is a continuum [08:47:34] *** MacStore is now known as edwardocallagha [08:47:35] <Tempt> from pissed to utterly munted. [08:47:42] <edwardocallagha> Tempt:Hey man [08:47:46] <Tempt> Hey. [08:47:53] <edwardocallagha> Hows things? [08:48:02] <Tempt> It's friday. It's nearly beer time. [08:48:07] <Tempt> In fact, I might start packing up soon. [08:48:55] <edwardocallagha> cool - :D [08:49:54] <edwardocallagha> Tempt:What do you think of the new OSX comming ? [08:50:38] <niyaje> and then back again? [08:50:51] * jmcp goes to flash [08:51:01] <niyaje> drunk - munted - drunk - munted - drunk - munted - sleep - tipsy - drunk - munted - repeat ? [08:53:04] <Tempt> edwardocallagha: I could care less; I've had one Apple product and I'll never buy the crappy hardware again. Apple can go DIAF, zfs or no zfs, dtrace or no dtrace, Jobs or no Jobs. [08:53:19] *** razrX has joined #opensolaris [08:53:21] <Doc> JAVA or no java? [08:53:32] <Tempt> JAVAdoc [08:53:50] <Tempt> Man, people are going to be taking the shit out of Sun for years for this one. [08:54:15] *** edwardocallagha has quit IRC [08:54:23] <Doc> we're still doing it over the change years ago to name the products "Java" - this one is worse! [08:54:46] <Tempt> anyway, I'm for a beer. Have a good one, everyone [08:55:10] *** edward has joined #opensolaris [08:55:14] <edward> hey [08:55:25] <edward> sorry i did not get your replie ? [08:56:07] * niyaje packs up [08:56:33] <bda> Oh, zfs. I love you. I love you good. [08:56:33] * Tempt leaves. [08:56:37] <edward> what do you guys think of the new OSX ? [08:56:54] <dlg> i dont think its worth answering that till its actually out [08:56:54] <bda> New? [08:56:55] <edward> Tempt:Bye [08:56:56] <bda> Leopard? [08:57:06] <bda> It's I/O sucks much less than Tiger's. [08:57:06] <edward> yes [08:57:09] <bda> Er, Its. [08:57:17] <bda> The dock is silly looking. The menubar is just retarded. [08:57:21] <bda> New iChat is nice. [08:57:27] <bda> Spaces is passable. [08:57:41] <bda> Stacks would be more useful if they could live in places other than the dock. [08:57:53] <edward> i was mre thinking about the fact its going to have ZFS and it maybe 100% POSIX now ? [08:57:58] <bda> I didn't play with Time Machine at all. [08:58:05] <dlg> posix and unix are different [08:58:08] <dlg> anyway [08:58:09] * dlg go home [08:58:21] <bda> Last I heard Apple was saying ZFS was going to be read-only. [08:58:22] <edward> hmm [08:58:26] <bda> Which is.. just retarded. [08:58:35] <bda> The inclusion of DTrace fills me with a joy rarely seen, though. [08:58:39] <edward> i don't think it will be [08:58:56] <bda> It means fucking Mac programmers can finally find out why their fucking applications do such retarded things. [08:58:59] <bda> :P [08:59:12] <edward> lol [08:59:13] <bda> (though the Mac dev kits are actually pretty okay for profiling from what humans tell me) [08:59:17] <edward> would be cool [08:59:52] <edward> humans - what are they? [09:00:13] *** syndrome71 has quit IRC [09:00:16] <edward> can't belive sunw is gone? [09:00:21] <bda> Pathetic creatures of meat and bone. [09:00:30] <edward> lol [09:00:39] <bda> Panting and sweating as they run through my corrido... wait. [09:00:42] <bda> Channeling System Shock 2. [09:00:52] <bda> er. SS1. Wow. Brainmeats failing me. [09:00:56] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [09:01:06] <edward> i know a beta tester for tht stupid gme [09:01:12] <edward> s/game [09:01:27] <bda> ? [09:01:41] <bda> System Shock and SS2 were great. [09:01:48] <edward> does ON 71 include Xorg7.3 now ? [09:02:15] <stevel> ON has never included Xorg [09:02:20] <trochej> Coffee? [09:02:30] <edward> yes i was thinking that [09:02:32] <trochej> edward: You mean SXCE? [09:02:43] <quasi> trochej: yeah, definetely [09:02:46] <stevel> if you're talking about SXCE, then no it doesn't include Xorg7.3 [09:02:47] <edward> yes [09:03:09] <edward> is Xorg going to start becoming stable anytime soon ? [09:03:16] <stevel> define stable [09:03:26] <edward> Now that it has DTrace probes/hocks [09:04:03] <edward> less bugs and stop with all the new compiz stuff at the moment [09:05:00] <edward> i know that they are diff dev teams but Xorg seems like its not as stable as it once was ? [09:06:46] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris [09:06:49] *** stevel has quit IRC [09:07:33] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [09:07:49] <WickedWicky> ahhh, nothing more comfy than going to work in an airconditioned bus [09:08:00] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [09:08:03] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [09:08:25] <edward> http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/certificates/1190p.pdf [09:12:50] <edward> I better go [09:12:51] *** pablomh_ has joined #OpenSolaris [09:12:58] <edward> see ya guys laters [09:13:01] *** edward has quit IRC [09:13:02] <WickedWicky> cao [09:14:49] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [09:15:04] *** niyaje has quit IRC [09:20:59] *** pablomh__ has joined #OpenSolaris [09:24:51] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [09:25:00] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [09:25:52] <Fish-> hello [09:26:06] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [09:26:49] *** Fish- is now known as Fish [09:27:16] *** pablomh_ has quit IRC [09:27:39] *** pablomh_ has joined #OpenSolaris [09:29:13] *** pablomh_ has quit IRC [09:29:28] *** pablomh_ has joined #OpenSolaris [09:29:44] *** pablomh_ has quit IRC [09:30:29] *** pablomh has quit IRC [09:30:38] *** jHoNDoE has quit IRC [09:31:33] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [09:34:06] <Gekkko> Tempt: what SPARC do I want again? [09:34:23] <trygvis> for? [09:34:27] <trygvis> tempt is out getting drunk [09:34:40] <Gekkko> A server? [09:34:45] <Gekkko> an initial SPARC syste,m [09:34:46] <Gekkko> for me [09:34:47] <Gekkko> :D [09:35:16] <trygvis> if you only want something to play around with get something cheap off ebay [09:35:24] <Gekkko> really >_> [09:35:27] <Gekkko> that's what I'm asking [09:35:32] <Gekkko> which one should I look up [09:36:08] *** mbalmer has quit IRC [09:36:21] <ofu> anything sun4u [09:36:39] <trygvis> I think if you sort by price and location you'll only have a few choices [09:36:47] <Triskelios> Ultra 5s are everywhere [09:41:17] <trochej> Yash! [09:41:24] <trochej> I got us a sponsor for the conference in 2008. [09:41:26] <trochej> Kheeeee [09:41:32] <trochej> I'm still a little bit giddy [09:41:35] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:42:07] <Gekkko> theres nothing on ebay, gah [09:42:20] <Gekkko> I don't want 30 sunrays for $650 [09:45:40] <trochej> :) [09:46:49] *** micken has joined #opensolaris [09:46:59] <micken> at last [09:47:19] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris [09:47:22] <micken> my 128Mram U5 is up and running 5.11 [09:47:36] <Gekkko> I want a 16GB SPARC server :O [09:48:12] <micken> there is a java process that start at boot time that eats 45M , where does it start ? [09:48:19] <micken> I killed it [09:48:34] *** yatesy has quit IRC [09:48:42] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris [09:49:07] <e^ipi> Gekkko: so buy one... [09:49:41] <e^ipi> you can shove that much in a blade1k IIRC [09:51:08] <Gekkko> but the processor needs to be good [09:51:11] <Gekkko> err processors lol [09:51:53] *** yatesy has joined #OpenSolaris [09:54:25] *** pablomh__ has quit IRC [09:55:30] *** Pietro_S has joined #opensolaris [09:58:27] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [10:00:30] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:03:18] <e^ipi> what's wrong with a III-Cu ? [10:05:23] *** WickedWickeh has joined #opensolaris [10:07:28] *** Baton has joined #opensolaris [10:07:31] *** timsf has quit IRC [10:08:37] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [10:08:48] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:08:54] <timsf> Hey folks [10:10:52] * paul plays 'hunt the nevada download on sun.com' [10:11:28] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [10:11:48] <quasi> paul: as in http://opensolaris.org/sxce_dvd ? [10:12:38] <paul> quasi: that takes me to a sign-in page [10:13:00] <paul> and if i sign in, i get nothing. [10:13:21] <paul> I can only get to downloads if i navigate from http://www.sun.com/download/ [10:13:22] <quasi> paul: when I sign in I get downloads for sxce 70 [10:13:28] <quasi> paul: I just tried [10:14:12] <paul> i dont, maybe cause i dont accept cookies by default. [10:14:24] <quasi> you definetely need to do that [10:14:41] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [10:15:12] *** jpdrawneek has joined #opensolaris [10:15:35] <paul> god, the sun.com download site is just awful. [10:16:06] <quasi> nah, it works sort of okay most of the time [10:16:24] <paul> quasi: it's awful [10:16:41] <quasi> paul: is not [10:16:46] <quasi> :) [10:17:15] <quasi> order the free dvd instead if it bugs you so much [10:17:36] <paul> quasi: point me to a BSD or community Linux distro that makes it more difficult to download images? [10:18:12] <paul> quasi: no, i just download the images internally in and back out of a DSL line.. [10:18:16] <e^ipi> that's unfair, SXCE isn't a community distro [10:18:19] <quasi> paul: only if you promise not to come back trolling even more [10:18:28] <e^ipi> use belenix if you want a more fair comparison [10:18:36] <e^ipi> or nexenta [10:18:46] <paul> e^ipi: yes, they're all easily downloadable [10:18:54] <e^ipi> indeed they are [10:18:58] [10:19:07] <paul> quasi: i'm not trolling, the SDLC folks even agree with most of my objections [10:19:10] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [10:19:20] <e^ipi> RHEL doesn't make it easy to download their distro either [10:19:45] <trochej> And SLED and SLES [10:19:59] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [10:20:03] <trochej> And I believe some other 10 distros [10:20:23] <paul> e^ipi: RHEL don't want their distro easily downloadable [10:20:25] <paul> we *DO* [10:20:37] <trochej> paul: As e^ipi pointed it out, SXCE isn't a community distro [10:20:37] <paul> and we make it quite painful. [10:20:49] <trochej> paul: Not everything in SXCE is freely distributable [10:20:55] <trochej> paul: Go for bellenix or nexenta [10:21:00] <trochej> belenix [10:21:50] <paul> every time i have to download SNV outside of Sun I rediscover the needless obstacles we have, wrt to other freely downloadable/useable unix distros, and every time i'm going to moan, until it changes. [10:22:16] <trochej> paul: Wait for Indiana, as I believe [10:23:04] <quasi> paul: so go moan @sun.com and leave the rest of us in peace ... [10:23:09] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [10:23:34] <e^ipi> ugh, don't drag ian murdock's thing in to this [10:23:53] <trochej> Why? [10:24:10] <quasi> we're better off without that abomination [10:24:21] <e^ipi> and his distro [10:24:22] <Triskelios> it's in Sun's interest that downloading SX not be a pain in the ass [10:24:24] <paul> quasi: oh i already have [10:24:43] <paul> quasi: but it seems i need to moan to a wider audience ;) [10:25:01] <quasi> paul: right, I'll just put you on ignore then [10:25:02] *** BatonT has quit IRC [10:25:12] <paul> whatever you wish [10:25:28] <paul> Triskelios: exactly.. 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[11:19:43] <asyd> still a little sick, f*cking weather we have this year here [11:20:04] <asyd> what about you [11:21:45] <PerterB> what part of France is that, asyd? [11:21:51] <asyd> Paris [11:22:03] <Doc> .topic Welcome to JavaOpenSolaris [11:22:06] <asyd> but only the south of france have some sun [11:22:07] <Doc> oops [11:22:14] <PerterB> ah right... I'm in Lourdes and it's been pissing with rain since I got here [11:22:33] <PerterB> most unseasonal [11:23:02] <asyd> in Lourdes ? wth you're here ? are you christian ? :p [11:23:09] <asyd> and a strong believer? [11:23:34] <PerterB> nah, I find that aspect very very creepy but it's perfectly located for cycling a load of famous climbs in the Pyrenees [11:23:47] <PerterB> <- as atheist as it gets [11:24:02] <asyd> btw, is someone know a good free OTP server? [11:24:34] <asyd> PerterB: ah ok [11:25:14] <PerterB> a whole bunch of them went by dragging a huge decorated cross while I was having my coffee yesterday - most offputting :) [11:26:24] <asyd> do you go in paris? could be nice to get some beers [11:27:08] <PerterB> 'fraid not... have to change trains there on tuesday evening, but only have like 90 inutes [11:27:11] <PerterB> +m [11:27:36] <asyd> ok [11:28:49] <quasi> 90mins should be enough for a case or two :=) [11:29:34] <PerterB> :) takes a while to get from Montparnasse to Gare du Nord dragging a bike [11:29:49] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [11:31:41] *** Baton has quit IRC [11:34:50] <Tempt> 20 minutes of demo = 1 new OpenSolaris user enamoured with zfs [11:35:02] <Tempt> Gone from Linux user to slagging off Linux. [11:35:26] <bda> Heh. [11:35:48] <Tempt> Nothing buys the hearts and minds like saving time and effort. [11:36:01] <dlg> and money [11:36:07] <Tempt> Anyway, back to being social and *not* using my SSGD session to demo Solaris features to people with beer. 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[13:07:20] <trochej> :) [13:09:05] <boyd> How a company that changes branding on its products more than any other can change the branding of the company and expect that to help *awareness* is beyond me [13:09:38] <trochej> boyd: I bet it's also beyond them, bu they are doing *something* [13:09:39] <trochej> :) [13:10:28] <kjetilho> boyd: what? [13:10:41] <boyd> "We must do something, this is something, therefore we must do it" [13:10:50] <boyd> kjetilho: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/java_is_everywhere [13:11:00] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [13:11:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [13:12:30] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [13:12:42] <kjetilho> whoa. [13:13:55] <kjetilho> hehe, nice comment: "PPS The ticker symbol "RUBY" is also free." [13:14:08] * boyd tries to remember the last time IBM change branding.. Oh, yes. *1924* [13:14:22] <boyd> Before the freaking *Transistor* [13:15:26] <trochej> :) [13:16:24] <kjetilho> they're not changing branding, only the ticker [13:16:44] <kjetilho> IBM has rebranded their mainframes several times [13:17:12] <boyd> Yes, but I see it as part of a trend.. the Java brand has for some time been applied to almost anything software related. [13:17:21] <kjetilho> seriously IBM is *not* a role model. [13:17:27] <boyd> :) [13:17:43] <idnar> Java Inc. [13:17:50] <iMax> but does stock get traded because I like the name of the ticker? [13:17:53] <kjetilho> I've got a pSeries eServer 630 Model 6C4 here [13:18:06] <kjetilho> great naming [13:18:07] <trochej> Java Indiana OpenSolaris [13:23:40] *** deather has quit IRC [13:23:43] *** deather_ is now known as deather [13:24:27] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [13:28:36] *** mbalmer has joined #opensolaris [13:29:01] *** jamesd has quit IRC [13:29:05] <kjetilho> the suggestion of "OPEN" is actually quite good. at least to people with my mindset :-) [13:29:18] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [13:29:26] <kjetilho> perhaps not to the accountants ... [13:31:16] *** jfndi has quit IRC [13:33:08] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [13:33:41] *** estibi has quit IRC [13:33:45] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi [13:34:11] <Gekkko> can someone give me an example of using grep recursively? [13:34:34] <nightswim> ggrep -r [13:34:49] <Gekkko> example of a line using it [13:34:59] <nightswim> what do you want to do [13:35:05] <nightswim> I just gave an example [13:35:47] <Gekkko> I can't remember now... leave me be [13:35:50] <Gekkko> I'm not thinking straight tonight lol [13:36:05] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [13:36:13] <kjetilho> Gekkko: find . -type f -exec grep whatever {} + [13:37:26] <Gekkko> gah?! [13:37:35] <Gekkko> can't grep do basically what you just did [13:37:41] <libkeiser> or save yourself a fuckton of forks and use ggrep -r whatever . [13:38:02] <nightswim> solaris grep doesnt support -r [13:38:11] <Gekkko> I'm not currently using Solaris [13:38:20] <timsf> {} + doesn [13:38:28] <timsf> 't result in lots of forks.. [13:38:29] <kjetilho> Gekkko: yes, but you can't grep just *.c with grep only [13:38:31] <timsf> {} \; does [13:38:31] <Gekkko> I'm not currently using any *nix >_> [13:38:43] <kjetilho> so find is easier to extend [13:38:46] <libkeiser> definte 'lots', please. [13:38:50] <timsf> 1. [13:38:57] <nightswim> or use zsh [13:39:00] <kjetilho> I have it as a function in my shell, anyway, I call it "forallf" [13:39:05] <nightswim> grep **/*.c [13:39:05] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [13:39:06] <libkeiser> uh, sorry, but no. that's simply not true, it's still O(n) [13:39:06] <kjetilho> so I write forallf grep whatever [13:39:09] <timsf> {} + executes the command once on all found files. [13:39:14] <timsf> not once per file [13:39:16] <kjetilho> nightswim: that's zsh specific [13:39:19] <nightswim> yes [13:39:22] <nightswim> that's what I said [13:39:23] <kjetilho> and it won't do xargs splitting [13:39:26] <libkeiser> no it doesn't. there are os argv limitations [13:39:40] <Gekkko> so if I wanna grep the word "cow" in every file in a directory using GNU grep [13:39:45] <Gekkko> grep -r cow * [13:39:46] <Gekkko> ? [13:39:46] <timsf> true [13:40:00] <nightswim> if there arent any .directories, yes [13:40:58] <Gekkko> So why won't it work for me! [13:40:59] <Gekkko> lol [13:41:17] <nightswim> because grep isnt gnu grep [13:41:20] <nightswim> lol [13:41:36] <Gekkko> I just said I'm not on Solaris. [13:41:40] <nightswim> ... [13:41:45] <Gekkko> and i turned on -v so it is shecking. [13:42:13] <nightswim> shecking? [13:42:28] <Gekkko> checking. [13:42:41] <Gekkko> not on this screwed up grep >_> [13:42:44] <Gekkko> cygwin grep. [13:42:55] <kjetilho> you must be kidding. that's too basic to screw up. [13:43:07] <Gekkko> lol. [13:43:24] <kjetilho> that's like making -i be "interactive" mode [13:44:01] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [13:45:45] <Red_Cloud> I need some help getting tor working. My OS is Solaris 10. I have installed Firefox, tor, and privoxy using Blastwave. The tor does not accept connections. Help? [13:46:35] <nightswim> what does it say [13:46:38] <nightswim> besides "halp" [13:47:29] <Red_Cloud> The proxy server is refusing connections [13:50:48] <Red_Cloud> Whenever I try to start tor I get this error message: [notice] Configuration file "/opt/csw/etc/tor/torrc" not present, using reasonable defaults. [warn] Command-line option 'start' with no value. Failing. [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above. [13:52:42] <pablomh> is there a torrc there ? [13:53:48] <Red_Cloud> No. There is a torrc.sample file there. [13:54:19] *** blindfish has joined #opensolaris [13:54:21] <nightswim> well there's your problem then [13:54:28] <pablomh> then try copying as torrc [13:54:41] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [13:57:27] <Red_Cloud> OK it does not now return that the torrc file is missing but now says that [warn] Command-line option 'start' with no value. Failing. [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above. [13:58:19] <pablomh> I think you need first to configure tor [13:58:38] <pablomh> it doesn't seem a solaris problem, but a tor one [13:59:36] <Red_Cloud> pablomh I understand. But you fellers know too much to allow you to sleep all night. [14:00:00] <pablomh> I've never used tor :( [14:00:36] <Red_Cloud> I have just now left off the "start" part of the command and just gave the command "tor". It like it better but then returned [notice] We now have enough directory information to build circuits. [14:01:28] *** edp has joined #opensolaris [14:08:06] *** ciph3r has joined #OpenSolaris [14:08:42] *** pablomh_ has joined #OpenSolaris [14:08:51] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [14:09:48] *** jlc has joined #opensolaris [14:11:06] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:11:34] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris [14:16:01] *** richlowe has joined #opensolaris [14:19:18] *** Jondice has quit IRC [14:20:36] *** pablomh_ has quit IRC [14:21:33] <Red_Cloud> pablomh I finally got tor and privoxy to work. Seems that I also had to rename the config file for privoxy and change permissions on the logfile and jarfile so that I could read it as user. Now it is working. That is lame that it did not work after install from blastwave. [14:23:11] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [14:23:35] *** eboutilier_ has joined #opensolaris [14:25:26] *** Red_Cloud has quit IRC [14:26:07] *** _ciph3r_ has quit IRC [14:26:34] *** pablomh has quit IRC [14:28:41] *** Risky has quit IRC [14:29:39] *** Gekkko has quit IRC [14:30:15] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [14:31:25] *** nivox has joined #opensolaris [14:34:12] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [14:35:02] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:36:02] *** jmcp has quit IRC [14:36:55] <sickness> is it there something special to do to mount a remote solaris nfs share from an osx client? [14:37:02] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [14:37:15] <sickness> it lets me see all the files, but I can't open them not even for reading... [14:37:21] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [14:37:34] *** Nishaway has quit IRC [14:39:19] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb [14:42:37] *** Chihan has quit IRC [14:51:37] <ket> i wonder if i could pawn this v240 on some sucker.. slowest machine ever. [14:52:25] <ket> took it 9 hours to do a setup_install_server [14:52:54] <cajetanus> well, if you only install once, this might not be a problem.... [14:53:01] <cajetanus> what does the machine actually do ? [14:54:11] <ket> uhm, cajetanus, setup_install_server isn't even an install.. it's copying the solaris dvd for jumpstarting. ;P [14:54:32] <ket> and right now, i've changed it from 'jumpstart server' to 'complete waste of electricity and rack.' [14:55:24] <cajetanus> hmm. disk i/o problem ? network ? [14:56:13] <ket> the dvd-rom averaged 250K/sec with an average of >75% cpu in io wait and the remainder in system with 0 idle. [14:56:16] <ket> the whole time. [14:57:05] <madhatter> ket: Ugh, maybe it's the medium? I had such issues with some old CD-Rs now and then... [14:58:36] <cajetanus> the v240 is a very good machine - i'll take it :) I think your problems are not the machine's fault perhaps. [14:59:02] <ket> madhatter: sun media kit. [14:59:06] <cajetanus> normally DVD-ROM reads are close to 5-10 MB / sec [14:59:16] <ket> cajetanus: duplicated on the other ones just the same. [14:59:27] <cajetanus> 250k / sec -> something not right [14:59:52] <ket> cajetanus: if it were 2 boxes, sure. 5+ nope. [15:00:00] <cajetanus> hmm [15:00:11] <ket> these are rev1 v240's mind, which doesn't help certainly. [15:00:56] <cajetanus> 250 k/sec is barely enough to watch a DVD [15:01:02] *** mikefut has quit IRC [15:01:21] <cajetanus> is there concurrent reads on the same disk ? [15:01:37] <ket> yup [15:01:43] *** splunk has quit IRC [15:01:46] <cajetanus> maybe image the disk and then push it by nfs [15:03:14] <cajetanus> or you can just give me the machine :) [15:03:31] <ket> ah, no. [15:08:30] <jpdrawneek> ket: i done the install on ultra 5 quicker that (270mhz) [15:08:48] <ket> jpdrawneek: and that's not even the install [15:09:02] <ket> however, if you're crazy enough to use a u5 as a jumpstart server.. [15:09:09] <jpdrawneek> ket: installed a jumpstart .... [15:09:29] <jpdrawneek> ket: i am - it was the only thing with a cdrom that worked :) [15:09:59] <jpdrawneek> jumpstart all our kit fine till i could be bothered to move off it [15:10:50] *** nostoi has quit IRC [15:11:05] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [15:11:24] <_setuid_H> Do I really need SFWgcc21 to build X11 ? [15:12:15] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [15:12:16] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [15:12:48] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [15:12:55] <jpdrawneek> _setuid_H: pretty sure the answer is no [15:13:20] <jpdrawneek> _setuid_H: alanc is the man to ask for a full answer [15:13:21] <_setuid_H> ok [15:13:22] <_setuid_H> thanks [15:13:31] <_setuid_H> I have just one problem [15:13:36] <_setuid_H> I'm triing to build X11 [15:13:46] <_setuid_H> but output is just 3 or 4 packages [15:14:18] <_setuid_H> so thats why I ask if it's necessary to have this package installed [15:14:25] <richlowe> SFWgcmn SFWgcc2l SFWgcc34l SFWncur SFWlynx [15:14:28] <richlowe> say the instructions. [15:14:34] <richlowe> they make it seem like that's purely to make lynx happy, however. [15:14:41] <_setuid_H> links [15:14:45] <_setuid_H> is better ;-) [15:14:46] <ket> *shrug* it's a v240, 1ghz, 1gb, running sol9 as it shipped [15:14:54] <richlowe> doesn't matter which is better, it's what the build needs. [15:15:01] <richlowe> and I recall alan complaining about the build using lynx :) [15:15:16] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [15:15:19] <_setuid_H> Web browser is not necessary to build X [15:15:20] <_setuid_H> :-) [15:15:29] <jpdrawneek> ket: drive could be knackered [15:15:34] <_setuid_H> just good tip :-) [15:15:45] <_setuid_H> :-) [15:15:55] <ket> jpdrawneek: on 5+ boxes? [15:16:00] <jpdrawneek> ket: had to many dead dvdrom when i want to install kit [15:16:07] <_setuid_H> I hate dependencies [15:16:09] <jpdrawneek> 25 boxes [15:16:22] <ket> ... wow. go go sun quality control. [15:16:24] <_setuid_H> building of JDS needs xft2 > [15:16:27] <jpdrawneek> and i was working to a deadline [15:16:28] <ket> go go right home and don't come back. [15:16:32] <Masoud> Can some one tell me what SXCE release period is? [15:16:35] <jpdrawneek> not all suns [15:16:36] <_setuid_H> and that's not included in current SXCE [15:16:44] *** pmh has joined #OpenSolaris [15:16:53] <jpdrawneek> ket: 25 boxes - not all suns [15:17:05] *** ciph3r has quit IRC [15:17:24] *** calumb has quit IRC [15:17:24] <ket> even so [15:17:28] <jpdrawneek> ket: hp, dell, PC tat, ibm etc... [15:17:37] <jpdrawneek> ket: all same age? [15:17:44] <ket> jpdrawneek: okay, what the shit did you do to them? [15:17:59] <jpdrawneek> ket: nothing [15:18:02] <quasi> Masoud: 2 week cycle [15:18:06] <ket> jpdrawneek: yes, but it occurs, other gear with the exact same drives, just fine. [15:18:09] <jpdrawneek> ket: never used some of them [15:19:15] <_setuid_H> pls how to EOF e in vim [15:19:21] <_setuid_H> EOF in vim [15:19:33] <trochej> Esc and then :q! [15:19:36] <_setuid_H> no [15:19:38] <jpdrawneek> ket: so you get crap speed with your dvd in all boxes you can find? [15:19:42] <_setuid_H> open end of the file [15:19:59] <Masoud> Thanks Quasi. [15:20:38] <ket> jpdrawneek: nope, just the 240's [15:20:54] *** micken has joined #opensolaris [15:20:58] <micken> hello [15:21:03] <micken> if I get this: [15:21:15] <micken> Aug 24 14:54:43 u5 scsi: [ID 365881 kern.info] /pci@1f,0/pci@1/scsi@1 (glm0): [15:21:18] <micken> Aug 24 14:54:44 u5 simba: [ID 370704 kern.info] PCI-device: scsi@1, glm0 [15:21:31] <jpdrawneek> ket: tried swaping the dvdrom out of the v240 for another (non v240) [15:21:50] <micken> do I have a working scsi adapter ?` [15:21:59] <ket> jpdrawneek: not gonna. [15:22:27] <jpdrawneek> ket: ok so you could have a broke dvdrom - or not [15:22:28] <ket> micken: presuming you're one of the few survivors who actually knows how to cable scsi, yes. [15:22:39] <micken> oh [15:22:51] <ket> jpdrawneek: on 5 machines? that's where i say 'eff it.' especially with the bge - not worth it. [15:23:02] <micken> I think I know that , but it doesn't see my tape [15:23:04] <ket> micken: or it's precabled, but either way, the os certainly sees it. [15:23:22] <ket> micken: sg.conf/st.conf will need edited for your tape drives likely. [15:23:25] <micken> it is terminated and is id 1 [15:23:57] <micken> ehh where ? [15:24:32] *** JSRJ has joined #opensolaris [15:25:12] <micken> ket: where are those files ? [15:25:21] *** splunk has joined #opensolaris [15:25:45] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [15:26:28] *** chongtxtx has joined #opensolaris [15:27:44] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris [15:29:34] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan [15:30:34] *** Masoud has quit IRC [15:32:54] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [15:34:06] *** LoBoX has quit IRC [15:35:19] <micken> ket: all I get from cfgadm -al is : [15:35:30] <micken> ket: c1 scsi-bus connected unconfigured unknown [15:37:27] *** laca has quit IRC [15:37:41] <chongtxtx> Does anyone know how to install Grub on the MBR duing the solaris 10 install? My setup is this I have win xp on my 1 hdd already installed and then I want to install Solaris 10 on my 2nd hdd with grub as my boot manager [15:40:05] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [15:40:06] *** chongtxtx has quit IRC [15:40:17] *** chongtxtx has joined #opensolaris [15:43:05] <ket> micken: yah, you need to edit sg/st conf [15:45:45] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [15:50:49] <micken> ket: I found it , let's try it -- boot -r [15:51:10] *** sparvu has joined #opensolaris [15:51:28] <sparvu> hi all [15:51:51] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [15:56:08] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [15:56:36] <micken> baah [15:59:09] <micken> no tape [16:04:45] *** jpdrawneek has quit IRC [16:05:07] <ket> micken: sg/st defaults SUCK. [16:05:18] <ket> micken: you really do have to edit them for, basically any tape drive made after 1993. [16:05:21] *** karrotx has quit IRC [16:05:22] *** karrot-x is now known as karrotx [16:05:59] <sickness> anyone uses osx as an nfs client of solaris server? [16:06:14] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [16:07:00] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [16:07:41] <micken> ket: yes I found a config for my tapedrive [16:09:11] <ket> micken: of course, fixing sg/st requires a reboot. [16:09:32] <micken> yes [16:09:35] <micken> sigh [16:09:39] <micken> no luck [16:11:58] *** willm1 has joined #opensolaris [16:12:17] <ket> micken: card ch1 to tape drive, tape drive, terminator [16:13:01] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:13:02] <ket> verify hvd versus lvd, verify terminator works, verify system does not require additional termination, verify channel configuration, verify you weren't stupid and put the tape drive on id7 for the second time this month.. [16:13:57] <micken> ket: this isn't life and death , I just want to test the scsi adapter :) [16:14:06] <ket> verify you actually turned on the damn tape drive, verify you aren't running mpxio with fiber-attach tapes... [16:14:07] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [16:14:07] *** sponix_ has joined #opensolaris [16:14:10] *** sponix_ is now known as sponix [16:14:23] <ket> micken: i know. that's why i'm giving you the -easy- way [16:14:35] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [16:14:38] <ket> (hi. i've been using scsi since it was just SCSI. is it obvious?) [16:16:11] <willm1> i'm trying to build a package (sendmail) with pkgbuild, as myself rather than root [16:16:35] <willm1> but when sendmail installs itself it chowns some files root:bin with modes like 600 [16:16:46] <willm1> so then I can't read the files, and packaging fails [16:17:32] <sponix> Saw Sun changed its stock symbol from SUNW to JAVA. Not sure how I feel about that [16:17:37] <willm1> how should I go about getting around this? build the package as root, hack sendmail so it doesn't chown things to root and then fix it in the packaging step, or what? [16:18:55] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [16:19:21] *** madhatter has quit IRC [16:19:39] <laca> willm1: don't build the package as root [16:20:23] <willm1> i figured that was a less-than-optimal solution [16:20:24] <laca> is this problem occurring after you built and installed the pkg or during the build/packaging? [16:20:32] <willm1> during the build/packaging [16:21:01] <laca> oh [16:21:06] <willm1> example line from the build: ../../devtools/bin/install.sh -c -o root -g bin -m 0600 statistics /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail/statistics [16:21:18] <willm1> and then it's owned by root and i can't read it [16:21:19] <laca> well, if you build as yourself, it won't be able to chown root [16:21:21] *** myrkraver1 has joined #opensolaris [16:21:36] <willm1> yeah, right now i'm running it with "sudo" prepended [16:21:53] <laca> don't do that, it's the same as building as root [16:21:59] <willm1> but if i don't do that it fails the whole installation when the chown fails [16:22:05] <sponix> yeah, just build && install it all as your user [16:22:21] <sponix> prefix it to some place your user has read/write access ? [16:22:30] <laca> there should be a way to tell it not to try and chown [16:22:39] <laca> worst case, you need to patch the makefile [16:22:42] <willm1> read/write isn't the problem, permissions are [16:22:57] <willm1> as soon as this build fails i'll post the error it gives [16:23:41] *** henriknj has joined #opensolaris [16:24:51] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [16:27:00] <micken> I give up [16:27:23] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris [16:29:46] <willm1> here we go: if [ ! -d /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail ]; then mkdir -p /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail; else :; fi\n../../devtools/bin/install.sh -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 helpfile /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail/helpfile\nchown: /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail/helpfile: Not owner\n*** Error code 1 [16:30:01] <willm1> literal newlines replaced with '\n' [16:30:14] <willm1> ls -l /var/tmp/pkgbuild-willm1/sendmail-8.14.1-build/etc/mail/helpfile [16:30:15] *** logic has quit IRC [16:30:18] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [16:33:49] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [16:37:04] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [16:37:28] <micken> ket: I tried with a super duper old scsi disk, and it worked :) [16:37:46] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [16:38:38] <alanc> hmm, guess I missed _setuid_H's questions about the X build [16:39:15] <alanc> (it needs lynx for the docs build, since it uses docbook2txt, which is basically docbook2html | lynx -dump) [16:41:30] *** chongtxtx has quit IRC [16:42:48] <micken> hmm 16.07m [16:42:50] <micken> :) [16:42:59] *** myrkraver1 is now known as myrkraverk [16:44:07] <trochej> A quick question: is it a known bug that Evolution and thunderbird crash and drop core in sxce 70 or is it just me? [16:44:58] <micken> how do I get rid of a partition table ? [16:50:24] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [16:50:41] *** _setuid_H has left #opensolaris [16:56:18] *** sponix has quit IRC [17:01:06] *** mbalmer has quit IRC [17:04:03] *** JSRJ has quit IRC [17:04:13] *** pschow has joined #opensolaris [17:05:54] *** cmang has joined #opensolaris [17:07:31] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [17:08:48] <Snake007uk> hey guys, I havent played with solaris for a while, what the latest version I can put on my ultra2 [17:09:13] <micken> depends on the cpu I guess [17:09:25] <tsoome> 9 i think [17:09:49] <micken> Ultra2 is listed on the Solaris10 hw list [17:09:51] <tsoome> but yea, it depends... [17:10:17] <myrkraverk> erm, what tool do I use to see the memory consumption of a running process? [17:10:24] <micken> if it has a 200Mhz UltrasparcII or better it will work [17:10:34] <myrkraverk> or tools, if more than one possible ;-P [17:10:36] <seanmcg> myrkraverk: prstat, pmap [17:10:37] <micken> I think [17:11:01] *** jafari has quit IRC [17:11:05] <Snake007uk> its a dual ultra 300mhz 2 gig [17:11:25] <micken> try 10 then .. [17:11:28] *** jafari_ has joined #opensolaris [17:11:35] <Snake007uk> is the new caica [17:11:40] <Snake007uk> caiman installer faster? [17:11:46] <Snake007uk> or just looks prettier? [17:11:49] *** cmang_ has quit IRC [17:11:54] <richlowe> just looks prettier, I think. [17:12:28] <Snake007uk> ok :) [17:12:50] <Snake007uk> I believe the speed issue is to do with updating the package DB or something, so it would be a different project [17:12:53] *** jafari_ has quit IRC [17:15:09] <myrkraverk> is there a tool I can use to see the total memory/heap use, when it has run it's course? [17:15:16] *** dclarke has quit IRC [17:15:36] <myrkraverk> dbx maybe? [17:15:54] *** FuzzyB has joined #opensolaris [17:15:57] <seanmcg> myrkraverk: prstat, pmap [17:16:23] <seanmcg> myrkraverk: libumem for helping with apps memory leaks etc.. [17:16:33] <myrkraverk> hmm, ok [17:16:53] <myrkraverk> seanmcg, currently, I just want to test which implementation uses more ram, as is [17:18:09] <FuzzyB> I heard that solaris 10 7/07 or 8/07 was supposed to have iscsi target included in the default install. I went to download solaris 10 and all i see is 11/06 available for download? Is there something I'm missing or should I just go with open solaris ( x86 32 bit ) [17:18:46] <seanmcg> myrkraverk: libumem can help with that, man umem_debug and search blogs.sun.com for some good stuff [17:19:02] <myrkraverk> seanmcg, ok, thanks [17:19:46] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [17:21:10] <alanc> FuzzyB: you're a couple weeks early, the S10 8/07 release slipped a little [17:21:35] *** cmang_ has joined #opensolaris [17:21:52] <FuzzyB> so should I just pull solaris 10 down, patch it up to current and wait it out? [17:23:02] <alanc> depends what you want to do with it, and if you'll want support/patches later on [17:23:23] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [17:23:38] <FuzzyB> this is my test bed for zfs + iscsi target to -> xen guests booting the iscsi target as their root [17:24:19] <laca> willm1: sorry, i was away, i think you will need to patch the makefile such that it doesn't want to chown the file and you will need to specificy the correct attributes for that file in %files [17:24:37] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [17:25:27] <willm1> i found that the redhat spec file does things much differently, and now it seems to be building properly [17:26:40] *** cajetanus has quit IRC [17:28:40] *** cmang has quit IRC [17:29:29] *** umdstu has joined #opensolaris [17:29:37] <umdstu> hello! [17:31:27] *** gobbler has joined #opensolaris [17:32:58] *** logic_ has quit IRC [17:33:03] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [17:34:59] <umdstu> anyone around? [17:36:31] <alanc> a few [17:36:47] <sstallion> sort of [17:36:57] <alanc> CR 6404762 Updated P2 xserver/l10n-europe Xorg using 'kbd' driver exits when Ctrl-Backspace is pressed with NumLock on - Fix Verified in snv_71 [17:37:10] <umdstu> good to hear [17:37:10] <gdamore> good morning * [17:37:18] <umdstu> almost afternoon for me! [17:37:22] <umdstu> been here since 6 [17:37:26] <gdamore> heh. [17:37:49] <umdstu> either of you had any experience with suns comm. suite ? [17:38:01] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [17:39:25] <umdstu> heck, i don't even have to use the comm. suite, i just need to set up a fake mail server for about 20 internal computer to email each other(all internal) [17:39:45] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [17:39:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [17:42:22] <alanc> last mail server I set up was sendmail 8.6 or so, well over a decade ago now [17:42:34] <umdstu> haha [17:42:35] <umdstu> yea [17:42:47] <umdstu> you going to be around for a little? [17:42:56] <umdstu> i have a couple non technical questions for you [17:43:10] <umdstu> but i gotta go for about 15 minutes [17:44:29] <alanc> I'll probably be gone then, but there's other people in the channel, and I'll be back online from work later [17:45:43] *** onlinebacon has joined #opensolaris [17:46:22] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [17:47:39] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [17:47:54] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:47:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:53:45] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [17:53:50] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [17:54:22] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [17:56:13] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [17:56:28] * Tempt listens to a little Brubeck at nearly 0200... [17:57:56] *** mbalmer has joined #opensolaris [17:58:39] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [17:59:14] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [17:59:22] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [17:59:26] <WickedWicky> hellows [18:00:01] *** cmang has joined #opensolaris [18:00:43] <mbalmer> dito [18:02:19] <splunk> something odd here....I mount my external usb hard drive....Solaris picks the drive up but mounts S0 and S8 I can open both S0 and S8 but...S0's contents are readable where S8's contents are not, its so odd [18:03:35] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [18:04:57] <splunk> i did a df -h ....shows two copies of vol/dev/dsk/c1t0d0/unamed_rmdisk#1 but one is /s8 and one is /s0 what the hel [18:12:37] *** estibi has quit IRC [18:12:44] *** fedorared has joined #opensolaris [18:13:48] *** cmang_ has quit IRC [18:15:30] *** onlinebacon has quit IRC [18:19:52] *** baijiutong has quit IRC [18:22:26] *** Erwannc has quit IRC [18:27:15] *** fedorared has quit IRC [18:27:40] *** fedorared has joined #opensolaris [18:28:03] *** dlg has quit IRC [18:29:04] <comay> richlowe, are you around? [18:29:51] *** charlesnw has joined #opensolaris [18:32:43] *** yarihm has quit IRC [18:33:24] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [18:35:18] *** migi has quit IRC [18:39:01] <umdstu> anyone here had much experience with setting up a basic, simple mail server ? [18:41:36] *** nostoi has quit IRC [18:42:18] *** dlg has joined #opensolaris [18:42:49] *** timsf has quit IRC [18:42:51] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [18:42:57] <myrkraverk> is there another way to get at the info in /proc/self/status than read( proc_self_status, &ps, sizeof ps ); ? [18:43:26] <splunk> why is that when I do format -e only my hard drive comes up but not my external usb hard drives [18:45:20] <stevel> splunk: rmformat [18:45:44] <stevel> (removable media format) [18:45:54] <splunk> yea that lists all the drives connected [18:46:00] <splunk> and it sees them [18:46:09] <splunk> only mounts 2/3 of them for some odd reasion [18:46:31] <splunk> and when I do mount -F ufs /dev/dsk/c9t0d0s0 /mnt it says already mounted [18:46:51] <splunk> so I figured maybe I need to reformat the drive b/c my other usb hard drive is the same exact why but it gets auto mounted no problem [18:46:54] *** peteh has quit IRC [18:47:38] *** dlg has quit IRC [18:49:35] <splunk> odd.no? [18:49:51] <henriknj> umdstu: what is you problem? [18:53:12] <mbalmer> umdstu, no, only with large and complex ones [18:53:15] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [18:54:03] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [18:56:26] <Red_Cloud> My OS is Solaris 10. I have firefox, tor, and privoxy installed and operating. I have been looking for information concerning tor in the task bar in Unix. Help? [18:56:49] <umdstu> haha sorry ugys [18:56:50] <umdstu> guys* [18:56:55] <umdstu> someone just effed up KDE [18:57:01] <umdstu> and my test machine is poo poo [18:57:20] <umdstu> henriknj: i actually have to leave now [18:57:27] <umdstu> will you be around monday sometime? [18:57:34] *** bnitz has left #opensolaris [18:57:47] <henriknj> umdstu: sure [18:57:59] <umdstu> thanks [18:58:22] <umdstu> it's nothing huge, i just need to get a bare simple 20 mail server going so nothing crazy [18:58:33] <umdstu> i'll look or you monday sometime. thanks a lot! [18:59:25] * mbalmer thinks sendmail will be umdstu's friend [19:01:36] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [19:01:43] <bda> Sendmail is not anyone's friends. [19:01:55] <bda> Sometimes it just does not push you in a puddle in front of all the cool kids. [19:03:38] <mbalmer> however, sendmail works for me ;) [19:04:58] *** karrotx is now known as Blue_Cloud [19:05:19] *** Blue_Cloud is now known as Black_Cloud [19:05:28] <bda> You're probably one of the grumpy gothemo kids it deigns to associate itself with. [19:05:33] <bda> helo mbalmer [19:05:52] *** trede has quit IRC [19:05:57] <bda> 250 Hey did you hear the new My Chemical Romance track? It was good... you know, as good as stuff can ever get in this horrible, dark world of darkness. [19:06:07] <mbalmer> ?? [19:06:23] <mbalmer> what dope did you smoke? ;P [19:06:24] <bda> I was continuing on with my Sendmail High School thing. [19:06:30] <bda> None. [19:06:35] <bda> Sleep toxins are my anti-drug! [19:06:41] *** Black_Cloud is now known as Cousin_Muscle [19:08:33] <ket> 5.1.1 See also; Elvis, UFOs, and Government Accountability. [19:09:07] *** Cousin_Muscle is now known as karrotx [19:09:35] <e^ipi> beer and promiscuity are my anti-drug [19:09:46] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [19:11:35] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [19:12:18] * paul wonders what he's doing with lu [19:12:29] <paul> it keeps booting to old BE [19:12:47] * paul is a LU newbie [19:12:51] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [19:13:28] <paul> 'shutdown -i0' and 'boot disk' it still comes up on old BE :( [19:13:38] <stevel> paul: did you luactivate? [19:13:52] <paul> new BE is complete, and 'active on reboot' according to lustatus [19:13:54] <paul> stevel: yes [19:14:11] <stevel> do a 'reboot', not 'shutdown -i0' [19:14:15] <richlowe> No! [19:14:25] <richlowe> after liveupgrade you must only reboot with init or shutdown [19:14:25] <stevel> or init 6 i think is what i do [19:14:26] <paul> stevel: well, it warns not to use reboot ;) - but tried that already [19:14:29] <richlowe> also, the problem is that you're typing 'boot disk' [19:14:34] <richlowe> which is a devalias to a specific slice. [19:14:37] <richlowe> in this case, the wrong slice. [19:14:46] * stevel has a script that does it - sorry :) [19:14:52] <richlowe> luactivate, init 6, or luactivate, take it to the prom, and 'boot', rather than 'boot disk' [19:15:12] <ket> holy hell. [19:15:20] <paul> richlowe: hmm, but boot on its own will use the 'disk' alias. [19:15:33] <paul> richlowe: should something perhaps be changing the PROM variable (or something?) [19:15:38] <ket> i had to do a flar restore to a box, no big.. [19:15:46] <richlowe> liveupgrade prods obp in the appropriate fashion. [19:15:47] <richlowe> or should. [19:15:50] <ket> except that it was 20gb. so it's been local for about TWO HOURS. [19:16:16] *** jcsmith has joined #opensolaris [19:16:47] <richlowe> so, it should have poked boot-path (I think), and 'boot' should do the right thing. [19:16:48] <paul> richlowe: hmm [19:17:30] <ket> richlowe: sounds right. [19:17:52] *** micken has quit IRC [19:18:01] <paul> richlowe: seems it didnt [19:23:42] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [19:24:38] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [19:25:23] *** emilianOS has joined #opensolaris [19:26:14] <emilianOS> Hi, I'm trying to compile python 2.5.1, but I get a trouble with zlib module, maybe, caused by zlib [19:26:45] <emilianOS> I've downloaded zlib from sunfreeware [19:29:00] <paul> put the compile error in a pastebin [19:33:05] <paul> richlowe: no joy [19:33:59] <paul> still the old BE, though this time the active state of new BE didn't change (using just 'boot') [19:34:03] <paul> grr [19:34:13] <emilianOS> There is no compiling error, but it tells me that zlib is not installed, and will be ignored [19:34:42] <emilianOS> Anyway, If I compile, the only module that fails is zlib [19:35:40] <mbalmer> maybe have a look at config.log created by the python configure script? [19:35:56] <Red_Cloud> Would some kind soul please join #tor and help me with a few tor/solaris questions? [19:36:44] <paul> emilianOS: likely you need to tell the build system where to find zlib headers. [19:37:01] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [19:37:03] <paul> emilianOS: some things have 'configure' scripts, with those use 'configure --help' [19:37:15] <paul> emilianOS: other things have variables in Makefiles and such [19:39:15] <paul> richlowe: ok, it did boot from the new BE - just seems the new BE is screwed up and still snv65, rather than snv70 as it should be [19:39:18] <paul> richlowe: thanks :) [19:40:07] <emilianOS> I can tell the configure [19:40:22] <emilianOS> where is python, but not where is zlib [19:42:09] *** mikefut has quit IRC [19:43:01] <mbalmer> emilianos, you can always use 'CFLAGS=xxx LFLAGS=xxxx ./configure'. 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[20:22:31] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [20:22:42] <alanc> not something I know of [20:23:15] <alanc> we were able to do it on that intel laptop last night, though with the nv_72 X packages (which should just add the new intel driver) [20:23:25] <stevel> hrm [20:31:51] * stevel tries moving xorg.conf out of the way [20:32:04] *** cmang has quit IRC [20:32:23] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman [20:32:25] <stevel> hrm. it doesn't even detect the external monitor [20:32:35] *** Red_Cloud has quit IRC [20:33:51] *** SirFunk has quit IRC [20:33:52] *** cmang_ has quit IRC [20:37:32] <palowoda> alanc: Fogot to ask at the meeting. Is someone packaging up the 0.51 compiz packages? I believe that was the latest build out in the wild. [20:37:36] <stevel> changing resolutions also crashes X [20:37:42] <stevel> palowoda: erwann said he was going to package up 0.5.2 [20:37:51] <palowoda> Cool. [20:37:57] <alanc> palowoda: yeah, I would assume erwann [20:38:29] <myrkraverk> I'm trying to build stuff that needs an "objcopy" command -- what is it? do you ppl know? [20:39:42] *** cmang has joined #opensolaris [20:39:57] <tsp> myrkraverk: part of the gnu utils [20:40:05] <tsp> binutils [20:41:28] <myrkraverk> hmm, doesn't seem to be part of the blastwave build then ;/ [20:41:54] <stevel> alanc: i think i'll revert back to my xorg.conf and not worry about xrandr for now; i'll wait for 72 and see if maybe it's an intel driver thing. if i still have issues i'll debug/file bugs then [20:42:24] *** emilianOS has left #opensolaris [20:42:36] <myrkraverk> how do I list files in the blastwave binutils package? [20:44:12] <stevel> pkgchk -l <package name> [20:44:14] <stevel> should tell you [20:44:41] <axisys> anyone knows how to start in.tftpd in debug mode? [20:44:51] <axisys> man does not shouw any switch [20:45:02] <axisys> i am trying to jump a client [20:45:20] <axisys> in.rarpd -d -a shows the mac to ip map worked fine [20:45:32] <axisys> but then it is not pulling the image [20:45:39] *** mstevens has joined #opensolaris [20:45:47] <axisys> only getting Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet [20:46:09] <axisys> i tried to manually tftp get file and that worked [20:46:24] <axisys> they are in same subnet [20:46:35] <axisys> and there is no ip filrewall running [20:46:39] <axisys> in between [20:47:33] <WickedWicky> bootp/dhcpd config points to the right tftp root/file/server ? [20:49:05] <axisys> WickedWicky: it does w/ name .. let me change them to IP [20:49:35] <mstevens> is there any way to get the developer edition installer to run with <768mb of RAM? [20:49:40] <mstevens> or does it really need that much? [20:49:56] <WickedWicky> that'd be kinda sick [20:50:02] <mbalmer> I had to buy some extra ram because of that [20:50:13] <mstevens> mbalmer: I'm just checking prices... [20:50:37] <mbalmer> the installer seems to require more ram than the OS itself... [20:50:52] <richlowe> or you could use the other installer, and install studio afterward. [20:51:22] <palowoda> You don't have to do that. Just use the Solaris Express text installer. Than mount the SXCE DVD later and in the Developer Tools directory you can install it later after the system is up with the install script. [20:51:40] <palowoda> Err what Rich said. [20:51:43] *** jafari has quit IRC [20:52:04] * stevel heads out to enjoy the afternoon sun^Wjava [20:52:08] *** stevel has quit IRC [20:52:23] <palowoda> The installer should be smart enough to offer this type of option based on memory footprint. [20:52:53] <WickedWicky> an installer shouldnt require 768MB of RAM to start with [20:53:06] <palowoda> No the installer should be smarter. [20:53:33] <WickedWicky> and the installer shouldnt be running in gnome [20:53:43] <WickedWicky> GTK2 is fine, but gnome [20:53:44] <WickedWicky> .. [20:53:45] <axisys> WickedWicky: did not make diff.. as a matter of fact tftp has to work first before bootparamd .. so i need to find a way to run tftpboot in debug mode [20:54:00] *** Me[-_-]gaf has joined #OpenSolaris [20:54:00] <WickedWicky> axisys; sorry, dunno then :s [20:54:12] <mbalmer> what's wrong with a motif based installier? [20:54:15] <palowoda> No the installer should be smarter and figure out based on the memory available what to do. [20:54:24] <axisys> or manually get the tfptboot image by booting frm the older cd that i have lying around [20:54:33] <axisys> and call the sysinstall from that kernel [20:54:44] * mstevens has got started on the sol express installer [20:55:24] *** Kaiba has quit IRC [20:56:25] <axisys> how do I load a boot image inetboot.SUN4U.Solaris_2.6-1 manually when booted from cdrom [20:56:33] <axisys> so i login usign cdrom [20:56:43] <axisys> then mount root slice to /a [20:56:59] <axisys> get tftp get file inetboot.SUN4U.Solaris_2.6-1 to /a [20:57:08] <axisys> then how do I load that boot image [20:57:18] *** Me[-_-]gaf has quit IRC [20:57:29] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [20:57:57] *** gobbler has quit IRC [20:57:58] <palowoda> What is Solaris 2.6-1? [20:58:15] <wesolows> something way too old to be useful, for sure [20:58:20] *** mega has quit IRC [20:58:31] <mbalmer> successor to 2.5.1, me thinks [20:59:16] <axisys> typo [20:59:19] <axisys> inetboot.SUN4U.Solaris_10-1 [20:59:28] <WickedWicky> one heck of a typo o.O [20:59:36] <WickedWicky> ;-) [20:59:56] <palowoda> What build was Solaris 10-1 built with? [21:00:13] <ket> sdil_query ibd0s0 [21:00:16] <ket> baah [21:00:17] <CIA-16> chin: 6595607 *ksh93* build of libraries needs to set file permission mode for message files [21:00:18] <CIA-16> dougm: 6592903 sharemgr dumps core when trying to set properties on ZFS group [21:00:39] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/GcT2Mh40.html see rarpd works fine per server [21:01:06] <axisys> but client still saying Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet [21:01:13] <axisys> i dont understand [21:03:05] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [21:03:52] <axisys> palowoda: don't follow the question.. i used add_install_client from solaris jumpstart server and that created inetboot.SUN4U.Solaris_10-1 [21:04:14] * mstevens wonders why the solaris installer bothers starting a window system when it's just text anyway [21:04:25] <wesolows> to consume more memory [21:04:35] <wesolows> and satisfy people who just aren't satisfied unless there's a gui [21:04:39] <palowoda> axisys: Are you doing a WAN boot? [21:04:56] <wesolows> (the one useful thing it gives you is the ability to open more terminal windows to debug problems) [21:04:57] *** charlesnw has quit IRC [21:05:04] <mstevens> wesolows: but it runs a console app in a window! grumble [21:05:11] <axisys> palowoda: no [21:05:17] <wesolows> mstevens: don't use it then. *shrug* [21:05:24] <axisys> palowoda: my obp is 3.x too old for that [21:05:35] <palowoda> What IP address are you using in that paste? [21:05:51] <axisys> that is client IP [21:06:01] <axisys> my bootserver and client on same ip segment [21:06:13] <palowoda> Oh thought it was a internet segment. Sorry. [21:06:45] <axisys> palowoda: my server ip is 21.207.100.2 [21:07:02] <axisys> or something like that.. masked it [21:07:25] <axisys> so they are on same segment as u can see lookup is good per rarp [21:07:32] *** estibi has quit IRC [21:08:12] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [21:12:23] *** blueandwhiteg3_ has joined #opensolaris [21:12:23] *** blueandwhiteg3 has quit IRC [21:18:12] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [21:22:15] *** endikos has joined #opensolaris [21:26:53] <endikos> Hey folks, how do I configure a solaris host's ip netmasks? my /etc/netmasks file reads 10.10.77.0 255.255.252.0, but my interfaces keep coming up with an 255.0.0.0 netmask and a 10.255.255.255 broadcast. What am I missing? [21:29:02] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [21:30:48] *** mega has quit IRC [21:31:43] *** mega_ has quit IRC [21:35:48] *** jcsmith has joined #opensolaris [21:37:18] *** pfa3rh has joined #opensolaris [21:38:45] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [21:39:08] *** Masoud has joined #opensolaris [21:40:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [21:44:00] <e^ipi> huh [21:44:19] <e^ipi> martin says that I can cram cheap PC video cards in the SPARC [21:44:29] <e^ipi> assuming i'm not concerned with console or OBP access [21:44:59] <palowoda> And the video bios works. [21:47:02] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [21:47:14] <e^ipi> real sun video cards are too expensive to satisfy a hunch [21:47:28] * e^ipi curses the advent of widescreens [21:48:08] <ket> e^ipi: hayguesswhat. [21:48:24] <ket> e^ipi: diamond firegl 1000 pro. get 'em by the half-dozen. it's raptors. [21:48:46] <ket> hell, anything permedia2. [21:48:55] <e^ipi> i'll just assume at least you can understand what you just said [21:49:20] <alanc> Xorg has a 8086 emulator for running PC videocard BIOS routines - the PPC guys use it for running PC cards on their Linux boxes [21:49:23] <ket> e^ipi: raptor was a common third party card found in u5/u10's, pci. nothing fancy but did 1280x1024 at decent color [21:49:38] *** micken has joined #opensolaris [21:49:45] <e^ipi> ket: my FFB2 can drive at 1600x1200 [21:49:46] <alanc> I think it should work on SPARC too, but never tried it [21:49:49] <palowoda> Video on PCI just plain sucks. [21:49:58] <e^ipi> which is fantastic, except my monitor is 1600x1000 [21:49:59] *** willm1 has quit IRC [21:50:04] <ket> e^ipi: i had probably.. thirty? accidentally swapped one with one of my firegls, didn't notice till i saw the $thousands branding versus the $dozens branding [21:50:17] <e^ipi> and that's a resolution that the FFB /can't/ drive [21:50:18] <ket> e^ipi: great. it's a pci 8mb card with hardware opengl. [21:50:25] <ket> e^ipi: it does 1600x1200. [21:50:42] <e^ipi> ket: which still isn't 1600x1000 [21:50:45] <palowoda> 8mb with 1600x1200 [21:50:45] <micken> does adding a pci card steal memory ? [21:50:48] <g4lt-sb100> uhm, the U5/10 used UPA cards [21:50:57] <ket> g4lt-sb100: COULD use [21:50:58] <sommerfeld> they also have pci slots [21:51:04] <ket> sommerfeld: thank you [21:52:23] <g4lt-sb100> why would you use a PCI video on a UPA systm. that's kind of like covering truffles with hershey's syrup [21:52:43] <wesolows> U5 has no UPA slot, first of all [21:52:50] <wesolows> only U10 did [21:53:55] *** myrkraver1 has joined #opensolaris [21:54:32] <e^ipi> g4lt-sb100: if it can make my widescreen work and not look all stretched out, i'll take it [21:55:40] *** micken has quit IRC [21:57:46] <ket> secondly, WAY CHEAPER [21:58:57] <Ljuvefreya> blastwave hates me. When I try to download stuff it fails on openssl and says: Error downloading http://ibiblio...etc/openssl_devel-0.9.8,REV=2007.08.01_rev=e-SunOS5.8-i386-CSW.pkg.gz (Perhaps you need to update your catalog?) [22:00:40] * mstevens gets annoyed with the installer for having created an instantly full root partition [22:01:11] *** MattMan has quit IRC [22:01:48] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [22:02:43] <g4lt-sb100> mstevens, well, that;'s your problem for accepting the braindead autopartition [22:02:56] <g4lt-sb100> you only do that once [22:03:05] <mstevens> g4lt-sb100: I didn't think it could possibly be that stupid [22:03:13] * g4lt-sb100 laughs [22:03:30] <g4lt-sb100> want to rephrase? [22:03:40] <mstevens> I've updated my views now :P [22:03:55] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [22:04:49] <g4lt-sb100> talk about FLW [22:06:37] *** micken has joined #opensolaris [22:07:38] <micken> I don't get this I had 39M free mem , next I installed a scsi adapter , and I got 10M free ... [22:07:39] *** Gman has quit IRC [22:08:09] <micken> ohh and I moved the comp to another desk :) [22:08:18] <sommerfeld> wesolows: since u5 and u10 have the same motherboard (just a different PCI riser board) I'd think you could do a case mod which would allow you to use the UPA slot on the u5. [22:08:45] <axisys> shouldn't I be able to snmppoll an agent which is running inside a non-golbal zone? [22:09:01] <pschow> endikos: what does the netmasks line in your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like? [22:09:56] <axisys> Ljuvefreya: try a diff mirror and try from a dir where u have write access [22:10:15] *** SolFreya has joined #opensolaris [22:10:23] <wesolows> sommerfeld: possible, I suppose. Though I didn't think the U5 version of the board even had the physical slot, just a header. [22:10:26] <SolFreya> it was enough to update my mirror list :) [22:10:27] <WickedWicky> and run pkg-get update [22:10:32] <axisys> Ljuvefreya: also there is a #blastwave chnl [22:10:38] <wesolows> sommerfeld: Of course, even 5 minutes of effort is a waste of time when it comes to using an U5. [22:10:53] <SolFreya> ah, thank you, but I got it working :) I had an outdated mirror in there [22:11:30] *** Jondice has quit IRC [22:12:10] <sommerfeld> wesolows: you are forgetting the hobbyist factor, though. [22:12:16] <axisys> snmp poll to an agent running inside a zone needs any special setup? like need access to raw device like /dev/ip or something? [22:12:24] <wesolows> yes, as it seems I often do [22:12:56] <sommerfeld> anyhow, sun system handbook suggests that u5 and u10 system boards share the same part numbers. [22:13:33] <endikos> pschow: Got it figured out, actually. I didn't have the IP in/etc/netmasks set at the netmask boundary point. D'oh! [22:14:42] <WickedWicky> wesolows: call me weird but I didnt say no to the U5 someone offered me last week for free [22:14:51] <wesolows> WickedWicky: You're weird. [22:14:58] <WickedWicky> I know [22:15:15] <WickedWicky> flirting will get you no where though [22:15:18] <WickedWicky> :P [22:15:19] <micken> I will very soon smash my u5 into dust [22:15:31] <WickedWicky> unless you're a cute brunette, tanned with a nice accent [22:15:37] <wesolows> micken: also a good choice, though remember that it predates rohs so wear a mask! [22:15:46] <micken> :) [22:16:04] <micken> I go back to my trusty U1 [22:16:05] <wesolows> WickedWicky: 0 for 4, sorry [22:16:16] <WickedWicky> lol [22:16:36] <SolFreya> nice accent of tan, or tanned and speaking with a nice accent_ [22:16:52] <WickedWicky> eh yea! that looked weird [22:16:53] <wesolows> in my case it doesn't really matter [22:16:58] <g4lt-sb100> micken, what, are you finding htat best way to accelerate a U5 is 32'/sec^2 [22:17:04] <WickedWicky> nice tan and speaking with a cute accent [22:17:21] <WickedWicky> but I guess I am better of making myself a coffee now :P [22:17:24] * WickedWicky will be right back [22:17:30] <wesolows> micken: only the US version; the others should be accelerated at 9.8m/s^2 [22:17:56] <micken> I will keep that in mind [22:18:10] <wesolows> though it's not wrong to accelerate them a little yourself just before letting go [22:18:11] * micken writes in his notes [22:18:16] <SolFreya> it would be more fun if reality reflected our measurement systems so that things actually went faster or slower in the other nation ;) [22:19:09] <wesolows> SolFreya: they do, to some extent. speed limit 70 is common enough in both the US and elsewhere, but has the meaning you suggest. [22:19:37] <wesolows> though of course the signage is different. Doesn't matter, though, really. [22:20:02] <SolFreya> it makes sense that some numbers are just natural to "drift to" [22:20:04] <SolFreya> so to speak [22:20:56] <wesolows> if that were the case we'd all be using base e [22:21:01] <SolFreya> of course I rather earn NOK 1000 than USD $1000 or for that matter Yen 1000 ;) [22:21:27] [22:21:31] <SolFreya> yes [22:21:36] <wesolows> don't tell me your keyboard doesn't have a compose key :-) [22:21:48] <SolFreya> I'm a newbie, I can't set my keyboard layout correctly :p [22:22:34] <SolFreya> it has a compose key, its a Mac Pro. Unfortunately I haven't been able to set the keymap in Solaris to norwegian and then again figure out what the "compose key" would be [22:22:44] * SolFreya runs solaris in vmware fusion [22:23:11] <SolFreya> correction: it has an apple key that in MacOS X lets me create all kinds of nice characters [22:24:48] [22:25:00] <alanc> the right control key should be Compose on a non-Sun keyboard [22:26:15] <alanc> or maybe the menu key [22:26:33] * alanc is reading conflicting documents [22:27:34] <SolFreya> I only need to figure out how to get norwegian keymap in X and then I'd be happy ;) [22:28:05] <alanc> have you tried "kbd -s" (and then restarting X) ? [22:28:38] <SolFreya> illegal option? [22:34:28] <SolFreya> ah, it was in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) [22:34:33] * SolFreya restarts X [22:35:24] *** SolFreya has quit IRC [22:36:47] *** myrkraver1 is now known as myrkraverk [22:37:11] <g4lt-sb100> alanc, speaking of which, is there a special trick to using xorg on a nvidia geforce4 go 440? [22:37:28] <alanc> g4lt-sb100: not that I know of [22:37:49] <alanc> should just work [22:37:53] <g4lt-sb100> hmm, it didn't like me, so I'm using xsun for now [22:38:28] <alanc> might need the legacy nvidia driver, but that's the one currently bundled in Solaris [22:38:58] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [22:39:25] <g4lt-sb100> then just run xorg --configure or whatever you're supposed to do, and it should Just Work? [22:39:43] *** logic has quit IRC [22:39:45] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [22:39:49] <alanc> should work without an xorg.conf, but if you want to make one you can [22:40:29] <g4lt-sb100> alanc, you mean from cold irn? nope, I had to go into kdmconfig and switch to xsun to get X up to start [22:40:39] <Ljuvefreya> when I ran kbd -s I got "Invalid option -s" [22:40:42] <Ljuvefreya> ugh [22:40:48] <alanc> Ljuvefreya: you must be on an old release then [22:40:58] <Ljuvefreya> Solaris 10/06 [22:41:11] <alanc> oh, that may not have had it yet [22:41:19] <Ljuvefreya> ugh [22:41:32] <alanc> I know it's been in Nevada for about a year, and should be in S10 8/07 - don't remember if it's in older S10 [22:41:39] <Ljuvefreya> after editing xorg.conf now when I try to login in my user account, X crashes and restarts [22:41:46] *** Kaiba has joined #opensolaris [22:41:47] <Ljuvefreya> but other users work [22:41:50] <Ljuvefreya> :-p [22:41:56] <Ljuvefreya> this is frustrating [22:42:00] <alanc> weird - check /var/dt/Xerrors for errors [22:42:13] <richlowe> alanc: so, you know what's handy for switching layouts... [22:42:33] <alanc> I was wondering when you'ld chime in [22:43:41] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [22:43:54] *** Me[-_-]gaf has joined #OpenSolaris [22:44:45] *** Me[-_-]gaf has quit IRC [22:45:12] <richlowe> alanc: Yeah, well. [22:45:39] <Ljuvefreya> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" [22:45:39] <Ljuvefreya> (EE) Failed to load module "freetype" (module does not exist, 0) [22:45:40] <Ljuvefreya> (WW) *** WARNING the legacy keyboard driver "keyboard" is deprecated [22:45:40] <Ljuvefreya> (WW) *** and will be removed in the next release of the Xorg server. [22:45:40] <Ljuvefreya> (WW) *** Please consider using the the new "kbd" driver for "Keyboard1". [22:45:41] <Ljuvefreya> expected keysym, got U2022: line 121 of pc/no [22:46:15] <Ljuvefreya> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: [22:46:15] <Ljuvefreya> > Error: Num_Lock added to symbol map for multiple modifiers [22:46:16] <Ljuvefreya> > Using Mod3, ignoring Mod2. [22:46:22] <Ljuvefreya> thats what it says :-p [22:46:33] *** micken has quit IRC [22:47:18] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [22:47:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [22:47:24] <nrubsig> !seen kupfer [22:47:26] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!n=kupfer at 192 dot 18.43.225) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 15 Aug 2007 00:28 GMT, saying 'later, folks'. [22:47:41] <nrubsig> !summon kupfer [22:48:07] <g4lt-sb100> summoning from 9 days in the grave is a feat even drone can't do ;P [22:48:57] <alanc> Ljuvefreya: you might try installing the latest S10 Xorg patches - it has an updated pc/no xkb file in, and there were a lot of european layout bugs fixed in the patch [22:49:21] <nrubsig> g4lt-sb100: I saw someone called "Mike 'the great' Kupfer" sending an email to tools-discuss at opensolaris dot org [22:49:49] <Ljuvefreya> last time I ran the Solaris updater it totally broke smc :-p I have been reluctant to install any patches [22:50:11] <Ljuvefreya> especially when I read on google groups: "Yes, some patches will break your system. Always research each patch before applying it" [22:50:45] <nrubsig> alanc: ping! [22:50:46] <Ljuvefreya> I'm not sure how I "research" each patch short of running two computers and applying it on one and see if everything goes to hell and then try it on the other? [22:50:54] <alanc> nrubsig: pong [22:51:01] <nrubsig> alanc: ----> /msg [22:58:20] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [23:09:44] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [23:09:53] *** laca has quit IRC [23:10:40] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [23:14:30] *** Shinden has joined #opensolaris [23:17:24] <nrubsig> Ljuvefreya: I use VMware for such problems on x86 and diskless systems on SPARC (e.g. backup diskless [23:17:35] *** cub- has joined #opensolaris [23:17:37] <nrubsig> image before applying patches) [23:17:45] <cub-> in vi, how do I see what line number I'm at ? [23:18:10] <richlowe> ^G [23:18:15] <alanc> :num [23:18:32] <Tpenta> :se nu [23:18:44] <cub-> :num worked nicely thanks :) [23:18:58] <alanc> didn't know about ^G - that's nicer output [23:19:16] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [23:25:57] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [23:26:40] *** sponix has quit IRC [23:28:48] *** Jondice has quit IRC [23:29:03] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [23:35:25] *** Kush- has quit IRC [23:35:32] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [23:36:10] *** Kush- has joined #opensolaris [23:36:38] *** Lusitanian has joined #opensolaris [23:41:46] *** mikefut has quit IRC [23:42:04] <moazamraja> any NFS gurus in the house? [23:47:13] <nrubsig> moazamraja: sorry, Mr. ????? and took all the gurus away to his dwelling place... [23:49:26] <mstevens> where can I find out about bfu? I've heard this is something I will want to be using [23:50:19] <sommerfeld> mstevens: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/devref_5/ [23:50:30] <sommerfeld> but you probably want to look through the whole devref [23:51:02] <mstevens> ta [23:51:33] * mstevens is normally a linux type [23:52:42] <e^ipi> you shouldn't normally BFU [23:52:50] <e^ipi> liveupgrade is a much better option [23:55:15] <sommerfeld> it depends on what your doing. [23:59:37] <moazamraja> heh [23:59:54] <jbk> afternoon [23:59:57] <moazamraja> trying to figure out why we get a stale NFS handle sometimes when creating a symlink