[00:00:16] <CIA-16> rk129064: 6532784 no-op SIOCSLIFFLAGS from in.mpathd impact performance under stress tests
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[00:03:39] <nachox> you can use any DS as long as you add the samba scheme i think
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[00:05:23] <pbaumgartner> DS?
[00:08:00] <moazamraja> directory service.....
[00:09:13] <nachox> you can use openldap openDS, sun java system directory service...
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[00:12:38] <tsoome> yes but to build the samba, u need openldap
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[00:14:24] <pbaumgartner> ok, got past the ldap issue
[00:14:29] <pbaumgartner> now: krb5 libs don't have all features required for Active Directory support
[00:14:59] <pbaumgartner> installed krb5_lib and krb5_lib_dev via blastwave
[00:16:18] <tsoome> hm, wierd
[00:17:46] <pbaumgartner> here is where the configure output gets ugly: http://pastebin.com/m2eb1ad0e
[00:18:40] <tsoome> perhaps your linker is trying to use wrong lib?
[00:19:21] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:19:57] <pbaumgartner> tsoome: this is my configure command http://pastebin.com/m67e56fbf
[00:20:29] <tsoome> never use only -L, always in pair with -R
[00:20:33] <pbaumgartner> btw, using LDFLAGS="-L/opt/csw/lib" was the only way to get ldap going
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[00:20:55] <tsoome> s/ri/is/
[00:21:09] <splunk> Please someone tell me I'm not SOL....I just rebooted my Solaris 10 box and I had all this stuff on it and I got "Panic:unexpected trap in boot loader" Press any key to reboot"
[00:21:11] <tsoome> geee
[00:21:29] <splunk> I can reboot and get into Solaris 10 fail safe but i don't know what to do.....can I fix the Bootloader????
[00:21:54] <splunk> please tell me theres a way to fix this
[00:22:13] <wesolows> That's not true
[00:22:16] <pbaumgartner> so, LDFLAGS="-L/opt/csw/lib -R/opt/csw/lib"
[00:22:28] <tsoome> yes
[00:22:33] <pbaumgartner> sorry, i'm a total noob when it comes to library loading
[00:22:41] <wesolows> For this, yes, you need both.
[00:22:48] <tsoome> read linker and libraries guide from docs
[00:23:11] <wesolows> That's not always true, however.  For example, the ON build links against libraries in the proto area using -L but does not need the -R because when the proto area is installed on the system the libraries will be in /lib or /usr/lib.
[00:23:19] <splunk> ANYONE?????
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[00:23:37] <pbaumgartner> yelling probably won't get you an answer any quicker
[00:23:52] <wesolows> splunk: You can try booting into kmdb - add the -kdv options in grub
[00:24:01] <wesolows> splunk: This won't solve the panic but you may be able to debug it.
[00:24:08] <splunk> alright
[00:24:15] <splunk> im in solaris failsafe
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[00:24:26] <tsoome> wesolows: yes, thats so, but for average sw compiling noob, -L and -R will go in pairs:D they dont develop OS stuff:D
[00:24:32] <wesolows> if you're in the failsafe, have you tried rebuilding the boot archive?
[00:24:53] <wesolows> bootadm update-archive -R /path/to/regular/root
[00:24:56] <wesolows> man bootadm
[00:24:57] <splunk> ok my hard drive is now mounted and now i'm at a shell prompt
[00:24:57] <dlg> morning
[00:25:41] <splunk> I havnt
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[00:25:50] <splunk> ok I just executed the bootadm command you posted
[00:25:58] <boyd> wesolows: Did the state of PSARC/2007/177 change to "waiting need opinion" because of the recent update?
[00:26:11] <splunk> wesolows: any other suggestions?
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[00:26:27] <wesolows> boyd: I don't know - maybe.  Or maybe because of sac.eng breakage?  I don't know.  In any case we've all converged on it and I intend to putback.
[00:26:34] <wesolows> splunk: Not without any context, no.
[00:26:39] <splunk> so should I try rebooting?
[00:26:40] <boyd> wesolows: Cool.
[00:26:56] <boyd> splunk: I've only seen that error once.. (on monday) and a reboot fixed it.
[00:27:13] <splunk> after the command you noted up top was issued in fail safe?
[00:27:25] <boyd> I did nothing but reboot
[00:27:48] * boyd did no further investigation since he needed the box in operation NOW
[00:27:58] <splunk> yea thats where I'm at....
[00:28:39] <splunk> whats hte path?
[00:28:57] <splunk> .../path/to/regular/root whats that?
[00:29:14] <wesolows> please read the man page
[00:29:15] <boyd> I don't understand what you're asking
[00:29:20] <boyd> Oh, from the manpage
[00:29:43] <boyd> IIRC your normal root is mounted at /a when in failsafe
[00:29:43] <karrotx> i have a linux box with a drive partioned ext3; when i try to mount it says bad superblock or wrong fs type
[00:29:45] <wesolows> if you don't know what you're doing you may break your machine worse, and I don't really have time to repeat stuff that's already documented
[00:29:55] <splunk> ah
[00:29:59] <karrotx> i can't fsck it either
[00:30:14] <splunk> shit
[00:30:20] <boyd> karrotx: is some Opensolaris involved in this question somewhere?
[00:30:43] <nachox> karrotx, solaris does not understand linux's filesystems
[00:31:35] <karrotx> no not really
[00:31:40] <karrotx> i'm just stuck, that's all
[00:32:07] * boyd shrugs... maybe fsck?
[00:32:14] <boyd> .. Maybe backups?
[00:32:23] <karrotx> fsck is saying it can't access it
[00:32:48] <splunk> ok i've updated the boot archive
[00:32:51] <boyd> Done anything to the parition table recently?
[00:32:59] <brandini> ok
[00:33:02] <karrotx> boyd: this drive was just put in by my boss
[00:33:03] <splunk> but i don't know how to redirect it
[00:33:06] <brandini> jmcp: any news?
[00:33:07] <karrotx> it was working until vmware hung today
[00:33:14] <karrotx> and now it's giving errors
[00:33:23] <splunk> nope didnt work
[00:33:34] <wesolows> vmware is worth $20b; surely they can spare 50 bucks to provide you with support
[00:33:55] <karrotx> wesolows: trust me, it's not my choice
[00:34:05] <karrotx> wesolows: this is the linux drive that i told you was giving me problems
[00:34:12] <karrotx> i'm so fed up with this company
[00:34:14] <wesolows> thought we had that problem figured out
[00:34:27] <karrotx> wesolows: when it went into solaris it was figured out :)
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[00:34:39] <karrotx> but unfortunately i have to support rhel4 with vmware server
[00:34:40] <splunk> wesolows: can you give me a lil more slack, I can navigate my way around very well in unix..just need al il direction
[00:35:03] <wesolows> splunk: I can but I'm not sure what's wrong here.
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[00:35:19] <splunk> ok...
[00:35:27] <splunk> what file would show some interesting info
[00:35:32] <splunk> I have a shell right now
[00:35:35] <wesolows> Panic on load generally means either that the boot archive is broken or that its contents don't match the system's.
[00:35:58] <karrotx> hmm, guess rhel isn't hot swappable either
[00:36:02] <karrotx> time for a reboot
[00:36:05] <wesolows> First, are these post-dboot bits?
[00:36:07] <splunk> when I go into fail safe...it finds an instance of SOlaris 10 and mounts the hard drive with read/write successfully
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[00:36:18] <wesolows> Ok, so the filesystem is ok.  That's good.
[00:36:23] <splunk> yes
[00:36:29] <wesolows> yes to post-dboot?
[00:36:43] <splunk> i don't know what post-dboot bits are
[00:36:44] * wesolows tries to remember how ufs booting works
[00:36:54] <splunk> in the error message is displays al ot of binary garbage
[00:36:54] <wesolows> what build number?
[00:36:59] <splunk> hmm
[00:37:00] <splunk> shit
[00:37:30] <splunk> don't recall its Solaris 10 on X86\
[00:37:39] <splunk> right now i'm at the Shell Prompt
[00:37:41] <wesolows> so it's actually S10, not Nevada
[00:37:46] <splunk> yes
[00:37:47] <wesolows> no dboot then I don't think
[00:38:13] <wesolows> you might want to look at /a/boot/grub/menu.lst (or /a/boot/boot/grub/menu.lst?)
[00:38:20] <wesolows> see if anything there is hosed
[00:38:31] <splunk> looking...
[00:38:35] <wesolows> make sure the files it contains are present and not zero-length
[00:38:43] <wesolows> in /a, not /
[00:38:51] <splunk> yes
[00:39:10] <wesolows> having the panic message posted somewhere would be useful, too, if you don't see any smoking guns this way
[00:39:23] <wesolows> are you on a serial console?  if so you can paste it somewhere
[00:39:40] <splunk> its a standalone...
[00:39:47] <splunk> um I seee the menu.1st file but i can't open it
[00:39:52] <splunk> cat menu.1st
[00:39:53] <splunk> ?
[00:39:55] <wesolows> lst not 1st
[00:40:00] <splunk> yea
[00:40:15] <splunk> ok I see it
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[00:40:59] <splunk> it displays a shit load
[00:41:04] <splunk> won't let me do | less
[00:41:33] <wesolows> you can use more, or edit it in vi
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[00:42:27] <splunk> ok
[00:42:28] <splunk> open
[00:42:33] <splunk> anything particular I'm looking for
[00:42:35] <splunk> ?
[00:44:22] <wesolows> since I'm stabbing in the dark, no
[00:44:29] <wesolows> make sure that multiboot appears
[00:44:35] <wesolows> make sure that all the files it references exist
[00:45:13] <splunk> its all there
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[00:45:58] <wesolows> and the boot archive has nonzero size (I think it should be in the tens of MB)
[00:46:31] <jmcp> brandini: news about what?
[00:47:24] <splunk> gonna flip a shit
[00:47:31] <splunk> why inst there a FIXBOOT or something
[00:47:49] <wesolows> because whatever has happened should never happen
[00:48:00] <wesolows> what kind of message is in the panic?
[00:48:19] <wesolows> It's possible, for example, that the boot device has changed devices.  What is the history here?
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[00:48:23] <splunk> rebooting to see it
[00:48:24] <splunk> hold up
[00:48:25] <wesolows> (device paths, I meant)
[00:49:33] <splunk> in menu.1st ?
[00:49:37] <splunk> menu.lst
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[00:49:52] <splunk> in the error message it says trap type 5
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[00:50:06] <splunk> Stack (starting at 0x827104c)
[00:50:21] <Triskelios> the crash is in multiboot itself
[00:50:56] <splunk> ?
[00:52:40] <Triskelios> anything before that?
[00:53:24] <splunk> bunch of garbage
[00:53:55] <splunk> Trap type 5 (0x5)
[00:54:02] <splunk> erro code 0x0 eip = 0x546a
[00:54:11] <splunk> bunch of Hex stuff
[00:54:18] <Triskelios> specifically anything before "panic: unexpected trap ... etc"?
[00:54:52] <splunk> Stack (starting at 0x827104c): bunch of Hexadecimal garbage proceeding it
[00:55:41] <splunk> im trying to figure out if I should stop here and just start rebuilding or what
[00:56:01] <splunk> in safe mode it finds the Solaris instance and loads the hard drive and puts me at shell prompt which leads me to believe its not thaaaat bad
[00:56:12] <splunk> but i'm not a Solaris Guru :(
[00:56:23] <Triskelios> yes, you can get it to boot without multiboot
[00:56:37] <splunk> how would I go about making that work?
[00:57:21] <splunk> as long as I can get it to boot me back into gnome and all my files and profile are consistant i'm happy for now
[00:58:48] <Triskelios> edit menu.lst, copy and paste the 3 lines for failsafe (title, kernel, module) and change the title to "workaround" or something, and change module to /platform/i86pc/boot_archive
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[00:59:36] <splunk> alright...i hate VI but i'll try
[00:59:40] <Triskelios> (paste this outside the END BOOTADM lines)
[00:59:53] <splunk> this is a standalone so I'll have to type it out
[01:01:01] <Triskelios> well, you can just use cat =P
[01:01:40] <splunk> i have to edit the file tho
[01:01:47] <splunk> ok I see title solaris faile safe and those 3 lines
[01:02:13] <Triskelios> I meant cat >> file to edit it, but nevermind
[01:02:34] <splunk> shit
[01:02:39] <splunk> vi is a lil different in this mode
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[01:03:32] <splunk> so rename the title to workaround
[01:03:45] <Triskelios> quit it and do: TERM=sun; export TERM        if vi is displaying weirdly
[01:04:00] <Triskelios> yeah, or any other text, you'll have to select it from the menu
[01:04:49] <Triskelios> and set module to /platform/i86pc/boot_archive  so it loads the normal boot archive instead of the failsafe one
[01:05:13] <Triskelios> also, drop the -s after unix so it won't boot in single-user mode
[01:05:14] <splunk> but I mean it gives me two options when I reboot
[01:05:25] <splunk> Solaris or fail safe
[01:05:35] <splunk> so if it pushes me into Solaris won't I still get the error message
[01:05:46] <Triskelios> no
[01:05:49] <splunk> ok
[01:05:50] <Triskelios> the message is from multiboot
[01:05:55] <splunk> ok
[01:06:00] <Triskelios> see multiboot on the other line?
[01:06:07] <splunk> ok one sec...
[01:06:10] <splunk> so I did the TERM=sun bit
[01:06:13] <splunk> now do vi ?
[01:06:34] <Triskelios> yes
[01:07:10] <splunk> ok set title to Solaris workaround
[01:07:40] <Triskelios> drop the -s part from the kernel line
[01:07:51] <splunk> ok
[01:07:52] <splunk> and put what
[01:07:59] <Triskelios> just leave the rest
[01:08:04] <splunk> ok
[01:08:24] <splunk> save?
[01:08:27] <Triskelios> you did this with a new set of 3 lines, right, and kept the originals?
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[01:09:00] <splunk> ok lets start over real quick
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[01:09:05] <splunk> sorry man
[01:09:23] <splunk> how do select root line kernel line and module line
[01:09:27] <splunk> where do I paste them?
[01:10:21] <Triskelios> after END BOOTADM
[01:10:47] <splunk> yea
[01:10:48] <splunk> ?
[01:11:43] <splunk> ok
[01:11:53] <splunk> how do I select those lines and copy them all
[01:11:54] <splunk> at once
[01:13:25] <Triskelios> uh you can copy and paste each line with yy and P
[01:14:32] <splunk> how do I go back up a line?
[01:14:35] <splunk> since I can't use the up arrow
[01:15:39] <tsoome> hjkl are for moving around
[01:16:10] <splunk> fuck man i'm dying over here
[01:17:14] <splunk> ok i did yy for the first line and pasted it after "END BOOTADM" and it pasted the one line with "1 more line" on top of it
[01:17:48] <splunk> hey if I just do "k"
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[01:18:20] <splunk> ok
[01:18:29] <splunk> i pasted all the lines
[01:18:34] <splunk> but they're not in order
[01:18:46] <splunk> module starts setup
[01:18:47] <Triskelios> dd will cut
[01:18:50] <splunk> and ends with title Solaris failsafe
[01:18:55] <splunk> is that cool?
[01:19:00] <Triskelios> no
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[01:19:21] <Triskelios> has to be in the right order. think about how grub is supposed to interpret that
[01:19:37] <splunk> im still trying to copy and paste the original stuff
[01:20:01] <splunk> ok maybe we can do this in baby steps.....my cursor right now is at "title Solaris failsafe"
[01:20:07] <Triskelios> dd to cut if you want to move lines. also I'm pretty sure the arrow keys should work if you're not in insert mode
[01:20:33] <splunk> my headache is killen me..been here since 0800;(
[01:20:47] <splunk> can you walk me through....
[01:21:31] <splunk> ok first line done
[01:21:34] <Triskelios> I'm not understanding how difficult it is to select 3 lines, copy, and paste them, provided you know the key combos
[01:21:35] <splunk> but i'm having problems going back up
[01:21:41] <splunk> to cut and paste the other lines
[01:22:03] <Triskelios> hjkl if you arrow keys really don't work
[01:24:52] <splunk> Triskelios: hjkl are no good for some reason how do I move to the next line?
[01:25:03] <splunk> i got one line done now I"m trying to do the root line
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[01:26:29] <Triskelios> maybe you're in edit mode? press Esc?
[01:26:42] <Triskelios> hjkl *always* work
[01:26:52] <splunk> I did
[01:27:12] <splunk> h and l move me back and forward
[01:27:21] <splunk> how do I proceed to the next line w/o it adding a "end bootadm"
[01:27:59] <Triskelios> not sure what you mean
[01:28:20] <splunk> i've copied title Solaris failsafe....now I want to copy the root (hd0,0,a)
[01:28:25] <splunk> how do I put that underneath
[01:28:28] <Triskelios> if the END BOOTADM thing is the last line just paste a new line after it...
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[01:28:48] <splunk> how
[01:29:05] <splunk> cursor right now is at the end of failsafe
[01:29:14] <Triskelios> p to paste
[01:29:25] <splunk> ok
[01:29:29] <Triskelios> I'm repeating myself
[01:30:01] <splunk> im sorry
[01:30:05] <splunk> ok im with you now
[01:30:49] <splunk> now I need to add the new stuff
[01:31:41] <Triskelios> can you be more specific?
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[01:32:33] <splunk> of Cut and Pasted "title Solaris Failsafe....root line  the kernel line and the module line below underneath END BOOTADM
[01:32:59] <splunk> now above that is Added BY BOOTADM -DO NOT EDIT which is empty because I just cut all the stuff out and pasted it below
[01:33:02] <splunk> above that is
[01:33:15] <Triskelios> I said copy, not cut
[01:33:30] <splunk> ok
[01:33:34] <splunk> i'll revert
[01:33:43] <Triskelios> you don't want to remove the failsafe option
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[01:36:04] <hrlmec> Is anyone else having problems registering servers or running smpatch analyze today?
[01:36:15] <splunk> i don't understand why this shit won't move up a line
[01:36:26] <splunk> i can't move up lines
[01:36:33] <splunk> hl move forward and back
[01:36:49] <Triskelios> well, sunsolve appears to have been busy or down today a few times
[01:37:10] <hrlmec> ahhh..okay.  Just wondering if it was a problem with them or just something on my end.
[01:37:34] <Triskelios> splunk: I don't get it
[01:37:46] <Triskelios> splunk: hell, just use cat...
[01:38:05] <splunk> but cat you can't edit the file I thought???????
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[01:38:43] <Triskelios> yes you can, lots of programs were written with it. you just have to be careful with typos...
[01:38:52] <Triskelios> cat >> menu.lst
[01:39:04] <Triskelios> (note, >> not >)
[01:39:24] <Triskelios> then type out the lines
[01:39:31] <Triskelios> then Ctrl-D
[01:39:45] <Triskelios> just enter each line and press enter
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[01:40:09] <Triskelios> double check it afterward
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[01:43:11] <splunk> dude
[01:43:13] <splunk> its impossible
[01:43:14] <splunk> I can't do this
[01:43:57] <Triskelios> you can't type 4 lines of text?
[01:44:13] <wesolows> never try to tell a man he can do something he thinks he can't
[01:45:05] <Tempt> Morning all.
[01:45:05] <Triskelios> I've dictated stuff like this over the phone to my kid brother
[01:45:34] <splunk> but its not like a txt document my arrow keys are fucked
[01:45:38] <splunk> i don't know why they don't work in this instance
[01:45:52] <Tempt> Err, coffee time, anyone up?
[01:45:57] <Triskelios> cat isn't an editor, don't try to use the arrow keys
[01:45:58] <wesolows> vi does not support arrow keys in that terminal type.
[01:46:15] <wesolows> you may have better luck setting your terminal type to vt100
[01:46:30] <wesolows> that may help with arrow key problems
[01:46:41] <wesolows> but as Triskelios notes, they'll never work when cat'ing
[01:47:10] <splunk> i can't delete shit
[01:47:13] <splunk> with my del button
[01:47:14] <splunk> or backspace
[01:47:19] <splunk> this is driving me craz
[01:47:25] <wesolows> TERM=vt100; export TERM; stty sane
[01:47:48] <wesolows> try ^H to backspace if you must
[01:49:07] <splunk> alright
[01:49:26] <splunk> I typed the second instance of that stuff out now I have to move all that stuff UP some lines where it should below but I"m having problems going UPPPPPPPP
[01:49:47] <splunk> i wanna move the cursor up lines so I can paste some stuff
[01:50:06] <Triskelios> wesolows' suggestion was supposed to fix vi
[01:50:23] <splunk> didnt work it just brought me at a > prompt
[01:50:26] <wesolows> you must press ESC before trying to use arrow keys
[01:50:29] <jbk> don't hjkl work in vi regardless of the mode?
[01:50:36] <splunk> it beeps at me when I type esc
[01:50:39] <wesolows> jbk: only in non-edit mode of course!
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[01:51:04] <Triskelios> splunk: that's normal, it means it's already out of edit mode
[01:51:08] <wesolows> they should work regardless of terminal
[01:51:29] <splunk> ok so what should I do to enable moving up a line
[01:51:36] <Triskelios> vi might not scroll the screen correctly depending on the temrinal type
[01:51:58] <Tempt> What is he using? One of those wierd DG terminals from the 70s?
[01:52:07] <splunk> I'm stuckkk in fail safe mode
[01:52:07] <wesolows> Tempt: almost as bad - a Solaris PC console
[01:52:10] <splunk> cuz my box took a shit
[01:52:30] <Tempt> TERM=AT386 ; export TERM
[01:52:31] <splunk> i'm going through all this I'm thinking if Is houdl just rebuilt the damn thing but I trust Triskelios
[01:52:36] <Triskelios> splunk: press k to move up
[01:52:53] <Triskelios> splunk: really all the problem you're having is adding 4 lines
[01:52:58] <Tempt> (I think that's what they call the console ...)
[01:53:08] <Triskelios> aside from the mysterious issue with multiboot
[01:53:23] <wesolows> and whatever root problem caused it to stop booting
[01:53:40] <wesolows> we're 4 problems deep on the stack here actually
[01:54:07] <Triskelios> I think the easiest solution would've been to use cat, since that works irrespective of terminal type..
[01:54:25] <Triskelios> but somehow he managed to fail at that...
[01:54:31] <splunk> i cut the shit
[01:54:34] <splunk> instead
[01:54:37] <Tempt> cat is pretty complicated.
[01:54:48] <splunk> i have two instances of the Fail Safe stuff
[01:54:53] <splunk> both are below where they need to be
[01:54:58] <splunk> i need to cut one instance and move it up
[01:55:30] <wesolows> Nyy (where N is the number of lines) cuts in vi
[01:55:36] <wesolows> or rather copies
[01:55:36] <Triskelios> splunk: k *will* move the cursor up if you're not in edit mode
[01:55:42] <wesolows> which is what you probably want
[01:56:24] <wesolows> Ndd cuts
[01:57:10] <splunk> its so odd k puts you up but it looks like its going foward
[01:57:20] <splunk> how do I delete a Line?
[01:57:24] <wesolows> dd
[01:58:08] <splunk> k
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[01:58:12] <splunk> yy is copy
[01:58:19] <wesolows> correct
[01:59:48] <splunk> almost therrd
[02:03:46] <splunk> OK
[02:03:47] <splunk> NOW
[02:03:49] <splunk> back to normal
[02:03:57] <splunk> I have two instances of failsafe now
[02:04:04] <splunk> lets reiterate
[02:04:17] <splunk> what I have to do to the failsafe area between DDED BY BOOTADM and END BOOTADM
[02:04:18] <splunk> ????
[02:04:38] <Triskelios> leave that as it was originally?
[02:04:51] <Triskelios> I didn't ask you do to anything to that one
[02:04:58] <Triskelios> just have a copy below
[02:04:59] <splunk> but I didnt do anything but copy  the fail safe module below...didnt touch the original one yet
[02:05:05] <splunk> ok
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[02:05:24] <splunk> there is a copy below now
[02:05:27] <splunk> intact
[02:05:31] <Gman> woo, my $7k suntea got processed
[02:05:55] <splunk> Triskelios: now what did you say I have to modify since I just had a huge VI class
[02:05:56] <splunk> lol
[02:05:57] <Triskelios> ok change the title, remove -s from kernel, and change the module. I assume you know 'i' switches to insert mode
[02:06:29] <jbk> Gman: that's some expensive tea :)
[02:06:52] <LeftWing> One would hope an appropriate quantity of SunMilk is included.
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[02:07:38] <splunk> wait
[02:07:41] <splunk> instead of S I put i?
[02:07:50] <Tempt> LeftWing: Morning.
[02:07:56] <wesolows> LeftWing: It was an ISO standard cup of tea, so yes.
[02:08:22] <splunk> so it should be kernel /boot/multiboot kernel/unix-i
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[02:08:38] <Tempt> There is actually an ISO standard for making a cup of tea. If only Arthur had known ...
[02:08:41] <jmcp> we've got an Australian Standard for espresso
[02:08:50] <Triskelios> splunk: no, I mean i is the key you press to start editing
[02:08:51] <Tempt> Really? That came in?
[02:08:59] <wesolows> Tempt: That's what I was referring to, yes.  I forget the number though.
[02:09:02] <wesolows> 6 something
[02:09:07] <splunk> so I'm just removing "s" all together your saying?
[02:09:08] <Tempt> Hmm, I wonder if I can get my espresso certified
[02:09:10] <jmcp> Tempt: then there'd be either no story, or it would have been about beauracractic nightmares
[02:09:17] <Triskelios> splunk: yeah " -s"
[02:10:18] <Tempt> I'm hoping for a beaurocratic nightmare
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[02:10:27] <Tempt> Perhaps the cups would have to be sent to a lab for testing.
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[02:13:23] <Triskelios> splunk: got the edits done?
[02:13:46] <jmcp> hi javen
[02:13:59] <Triskelios> splunk: last line should be "module /platform/i86pc/boot_archive"
[02:14:09] <javen> aha, james
[02:16:20] <splunk> yup
[02:16:23] <splunk> so its
[02:16:33] <splunk> title Solaris workaround
[02:16:36] <splunk> root (hd0,0,a)
[02:16:44] <splunk> kernel /boot/multiboot kernel/unix
[02:16:55] <splunk> module /platform/i86pc/boot_archivce
[02:17:00] <splunk> cool?
[02:17:02] <Triskelios> looks good, aside from the typo
[02:17:17] <splunk> ha
[02:17:19] <splunk> reboot?
[02:17:30] <splunk> just to let you know too....the original copy is below all that after END BOOTADM
[02:17:33] <splunk> that cool right?
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[02:17:53] <Triskelios> eh..
[02:18:19] <Triskelios> the original is supposed to stay inside START and END, the new copy is after that
[02:18:34] <splunk> ok i'll move it then
[02:18:35] <Triskelios> well, it doesn't matter right now as long as you don't upgrade
[02:18:49] <splunk> no i don't plan on it
[02:18:53] <splunk> can I reboot now?
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[02:18:57] <Triskelios> yes
[02:19:12] <Triskelios> double check for any accidental changes
[02:19:16] <splunk> rebooting here goes nothing
[02:19:39] <Tempt> man
[02:19:45] <Triskelios> this time you have to choose the option from the menu
[02:19:47] <Tempt> something is trying to forkbomb one of my machines every night.
[02:19:53] <Tempt> and I can't find it (!))
[02:19:54] <splunk> if this works
[02:19:58] <splunk> shittt
[02:20:04] <splunk> i owe you some cheese
[02:20:13] <splunk> which one should I select
[02:20:15] <splunk> workaround???
[02:20:19] <Triskelios> yeah
[02:20:33] <splunk> no dice
[02:20:37] <splunk> i'm screwed same message
[02:20:51] <splunk> now theres three options in the display screen
[02:20:52] <nachox> Tempt, dtrace? check what process forks the most?
[02:20:57] <splunk> the original workaround and failsafe
[02:21:00] <splunk> is that suppose to be true?
[02:21:02] <Tempt> Ideas, anyone? I've tried process accounting, exacct, scripts that snap the system status on a regular basis (oops, can't fork, no data) - everything short of sitting around to find out what explodes at 2am
[02:21:14] <Tempt> nachox: Tried it - it just jams
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[02:21:18] <ket> did you check your crontab?
[02:21:30] <Tempt> Just like lastcomm shows a giant gap during the affected time - nothing seems to pick it up.
[02:21:35] <Tempt> ket: Of course I did...
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[02:21:43] <Triskelios> splunk: yeah since you just added one...
[02:21:46] <Tempt> I *think* it might be Veritas Netbackup exploding.
[02:22:01] <Tempt> But I'm surprised it forkbombs the host; never seen that one out of NetBackup before.
[02:22:12] <ket> Tempt: are you doing backup to disk?
[02:22:16] <Triskelios> splunk: if it still doesn't work, change the kernel line to just "/platform/i86pc/kernel/unix"
[02:22:30] <Triskelios> splunk: instead of /boot/multiboot ... etc
[02:22:50] <Tempt> ket: taaaaaaaaaape in this case.
[02:22:52] <splunk> um
[02:23:09] <splunk> ok
[02:23:15] <splunk> i'm praying to god man
[02:23:19] <splunk> even tho I'm ont religious
[02:23:35] <Tempt> ket: Should I just write it off as another shitty VRTSfsckup?
[02:23:48] <splunk> uh oh now when I do failsafe it says error when parsing number
[02:23:58] <splunk> now i'm really screwed arent I
[02:24:16] <Triskelios> splunk: type e to edit
[02:24:30] <ket> Tempt: not yet. are you doing snapshots or RMAN?
[02:24:37] <splunk> ok
[02:24:40] <Triskelios> you should be able to change the lines. bet you made a typo
[02:24:47] <splunk> ok
[02:25:26] <Tempt> ket: This is just filesystem backup, man, probably on 30Gb!
[02:25:38] <splunk> fail safe is
[02:25:42] <splunk> root (hd,0,0,a)
[02:25:54] <splunk> kernel /boot/multiboot kernel/unix -s
[02:26:03] <splunk> module /boot/X86.miniroot-safe
[02:26:13] <ket> Tempt: uncheck multiple data streams.
[02:26:22] <splunk> looks good no?
[02:26:35] <Tempt> ket: I'll give it a bash
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[02:26:53] <Triskelios> splunk: two things are wrong here... should be (hd0,0,a) and /boot/x86.miniroot-safe (lowercase)
[02:27:46] <splunk> how do I save
[02:28:03] <splunk> see if the edit mode was as easy is that
[02:28:04] <splunk> that be cool
[02:28:28] <splunk> enter
[02:28:29] <splunk> cool
[02:29:06] <splunk> no
[02:29:07] <splunk> that didnt save it
[02:29:33] <splunk> hmmm, doenst say how I Can save the file after I'm done editing
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[02:30:05] <nachox> in vi?
[02:30:56] <splunk> no i'm editing the file within GRUB
[02:31:02] <splunk> how do I save it in there?
[02:31:47] <nachox> i'm not sure if you can, i'm guessing you cant and will have to edit the file once you booted
[02:32:11] <splunk> ok
[02:32:16] <splunk> ok I boooted
[02:32:21] <splunk> lets go back now...
[02:32:46] <Tempt> ket: pwned.
[02:33:55] <Tempt> See the first netbackup processes show up in prstat and then *LOCK* for a minute and then backup failed and lots of messages ala:Aug 23 03:04:23 taurus inetd[410]: [ID 702911 daemon.error] Unable to fork inetd_start method of instance svc:/network/bpcd/tcp:default: Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:34:18] <Tempt> So it's just more VRTShell
[02:34:44] <jbk> but it's so expensive, it must be good! :)
[02:35:43] <Tempt> Aah, this time I'll put prstat in the realtime class
[02:35:47] <Tempt> that should help.
[02:36:51] <jmcp> Tempt: ah, nbu ... I'm soooo glad I left that behind
[02:37:08] <jmcp> both supporting it and finding bugs in the betas
[02:37:29] <nachox> jmcp, what are you doing now?
[02:37:34] <splunk> Error13: Invalid or unsupport executable format
[02:37:43] <jmcp> nachox: dude, read my blog! serial-attached scsi drivers :-)
[02:37:44] <dlg> nachox: he's trying to break my stuff
[02:37:49] <ket> Tempt: nope. it's multiple datastreams probably.
[02:37:51] <splunk> after I changed it to /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix"
[02:37:56] <jmcp> dlg: that's only in my "spare" time though
[02:38:05] <ket> Tempt: notbackup trying to fire up a process a dozen times while it's starting.
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[02:38:08] <nachox> splunk, youre using solaris 10 or nevada?
[02:38:44] <nachox> jmcp, it's not my fault if you damn contractors have your blogs in the darkest places!
[02:39:27] <jmcp> nachox: hey, I'm aggregated on p.o.o, and the Sun alumni blogsite
[02:39:35] <splunk> 10
[02:39:50] <nachox> jmcp, poo? sun alumni?
[02:39:57] <splunk> um
[02:40:06] <nachox> splunk, what update?
[02:40:18] <splunk> I don't know the latest one off of Sun's website
[02:40:20] <nachox> i dont think solaris supports dboot
[02:40:22] <jmcp> planet.opensolaris.org, and http://planet.sun.com/alumni/group/blogs/
[02:40:23] <nachox> u3
[02:40:33] <splunk> sure
[02:40:38] <nachox> jmcp, ohh, all those noone reads
[02:40:41] <splunk> i wanna know if I should start rebuilding the box
[02:40:42] <jmcp> heh
[02:40:45] <jbk> haha
[02:40:48] <splunk> cuz i'm fucked at this point
[02:40:55] <splunk> gonna be here another two hours
[02:40:59] <splunk> building the environment
[02:41:00] <jmcp> nachox: but I *am* top of the subscription sidebar on planet.sun.com
[02:41:03] <jmcp> about the only place
[02:41:18] <nachox> jmcp, blogs.sun.com sucks bad lately
[02:41:33] <nachox> someone should stab the one that redesigned it
[02:42:13] <nachox> and opensolaris.org/os/blogs is basically broken, why does it repear all the names lots of times?
[02:42:30] <Triskelios> splunk: you know, I wonder if the trouble could be bad RAM or something, since the difference between failsafe and the workaround option was which module you loaded...
[02:42:36] <jmcp> nachox: I'm not on it any more
[02:42:59] * jmcp shrugs
[02:43:00] <Tempt> ket: A dozen processes shouldn't be a problem; for this sort of fault you need to be seeing hundreds
[02:43:02] <splunk> 5 gigs of ram in this dell box
[02:43:07] <jmcp> nachox: it's not important
[02:43:08] <Tempt> ket: run queue over 500
[02:43:08] <nachox> Triskelios, i think multiboot was missing if he pasted his menu.lst
[02:43:41] <Tempt> Who is handling opensolaris.org/os/blogs anyway?
[02:43:50] <splunk> i have two external hard drives
[02:43:53] <splunk> whats funny is
[02:44:00] <splunk> when the System came preloaded with Windows 64 bit
[02:44:03] <splunk> the FANS were allllways blowing
[02:44:12] <ket> Tempt: and you think notbackup wouldn't and/or can't?
[02:44:15] <nachox> jmcp, anyway, nice to see you're still working at sun
[02:44:18] <splunk> since I loaded Solaris the box has been so quiet and I've been doing very resource intensive things
[02:44:21] <Triskelios> nachox: I asked him to try that since I wasn't sure if it was needed. the original problem was multiboot was crashing in normal boot but failsafe worked
[02:44:34] <ket> Tempt: i set multiple datastreams on exchange once. it spawned over 400 instances, one for every mailbox.
[02:44:49] <ket> Tempt: till it couldn't spawn any more because of hte master server's limits.
[02:44:56] <splunk> anyway Im gonna start rebuilding the box
[02:44:59] <splunk> I'm gonna be here for fuckin EVER
[02:45:01] <nachox> Triskelios, solaris 10 cant boot without multiboot, that is why grub complains about the wrong executable type
[02:45:14] <Triskelios> nachox: yeah, I realised that when that happened
[02:45:52] <Triskelios> nachox: can't think of an explanation of why multiboot would still work for failsafe, though
[02:46:16] <nachox> splunk, you're running a 64 bit box?
[02:46:21] <Triskelios> and fail even if he specifies the 32-bit kernel failsafe uses instead of letting it choose
[02:46:35] <splunk> yea
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[02:46:48] <nachox> ok, i was going to suggest using the 32 bit kernel
[02:46:55] <splunk> I am
[02:47:39] <splunk> now I gotta load Splunk back into the system and configuring the index tools
[02:47:42] <splunk> what a fuckin mess
[02:47:51] <Tempt> ket: Nothing would surprise me with either exchange or nbu. They're both equally crap.
[02:47:52] <nachox> Triskelios, the other problem i can think about is that his boot archive is broken
[02:47:52] <movement> is there a way in ksh to turn on -x for all a script and all its included functions?
[02:48:37] <Triskelios> splunk: didn't you successfully rebuild the boot archive earlier?
[02:48:47] <splunk> didnt work man
[02:48:50] <splunk> jsut didnt wokr
[02:49:02] <nachox> Triskelios, it is a long shot but maybe even the actual files which generated the boot archive are broken so regenerating that would not make a difference
[02:49:25] <nachox> i'd backup and fsck the disk
[02:52:04] <splunk> so weird that the box is so quiet with Solaris
[02:54:42] <nachox> i wonder if what i described can actually happen though
[02:55:49] <Triskelios> I wonder what actually triggers the "unexpected trap" in multiboot
[02:56:16] <splunk> what a nightmare
[02:56:26] <splunk> i gotta be in work in like 12 hours
[02:56:31] <splunk> gotta be "back"
[02:56:50] <nachox> see? should have used sparc, no multiboot
[02:56:52] <nachox> yet
[02:57:14] <splunk> silly people here bought a Dell
[02:57:21] <splunk> and gave it to me and said have fun
[02:57:25] <splunk> funkk that
[02:57:30] <splunk> i knew I 'd have problems down the road
[02:57:32] <splunk> god damn it
[02:57:34] <nachox> what? you arent having fun?
[02:57:51] <splunk> this is the best way to learn but damn man...i've been at work since 0830
[02:57:56] <splunk> i wanna go home and see my girlfriend and my dogs
[02:57:58] <splunk> and eat dinner
[02:57:59] <splunk> damnnn
[03:00:36] <nachox> kdm does not even start right?
[03:02:26] <Triskelios> nachox: you mean kmdb? don't think he's tried, but the error indicates it hasn't jumped to kernel code yet
[03:02:41] <nachox> no, wrong window
[03:02:58] <Triskelios> heh
[03:03:41] <jamesd> Triskelios, time to break out some dtrace
[03:04:36] <Triskelios> jamesd: haha, as if multiboot has dtrace providers =P
[03:05:24] <jamesd> Triskelios, you can instrument  qemu and brandz or what ever they are calling it today.
[03:05:41] <nachox> ughh, that sounds nasty
[03:05:50] <Triskelios> jamesd: unfortunately this problem is only reproducible on a real machine
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[03:06:24] <Triskelios> I've used simics and gdb before, wasn't terrible...
[03:06:47] <Triskelios> splunk: if you add an uppercase -V at the end of the line with multiboot it will print more info on what it's doing before the crash, not sure if that will be useful at this point though
[03:07:02] <Triskelios> splunk: I would just follow nachox's suggestion
[03:07:57] <nachox> Triskelios, notice that fsck will not actually fix anything, it will just leave the fs in a consistent state
[03:08:25] <Triskelios> I suppose he could try an "upgrade" install of the same version at that point
[03:09:06] <splunk> ha
[03:09:22] <splunk> alread fdisks everything
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[03:09:34] <splunk> thankfully I have stuff on my external 750gig drive
[03:09:39] <splunk> but uh its still gonna suck
[03:09:50] <Triskelios> splunk: fdisk?!
[03:09:55] <splunk> um
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[03:09:57] <splunk> not fdisk
[03:09:58] <splunk> but format
[03:10:13] <splunk> i blew away the drives
[03:10:17] <splunk> i'm on disc 2 of the rebuild
[03:10:18] <splunk> :(
[03:10:26] <splunk> im in the dog house tonight for sure
[03:10:58] <nachox> splunk, damn, i really wanted to know what the problem was, you ruined all the fun, you know?
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[03:11:17] <splunk> i've been in my office for over 12 hours now
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[03:11:23] <splunk> my girlfriend is gonnna kill me
[03:11:25] <splunk> and my dogs miss me
[03:12:25] <splunk> for some reason the install is in CLI mode...i hope when its finished everything will be loaded with gnome
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[03:12:49] <splunk> usually it has the windowing system
[03:12:52] <splunk> but I must of pressed something
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[03:17:51] <Triskelios> yeah, that doesn't affect what gets installed
[03:18:56] <nachox> just install core, it's faster :P
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[03:20:58] <Tempt> ket: nbu crashed completely and post-restart it doesn't do anything naughty. surprise.
[03:21:18] <splunk> figured
[03:21:51] <splunk> sorry guy but my passion for linux still floats high above Solaris....dunno why
[03:22:04] <Gman> that's your choice :)
[03:22:05] <splunk> SOlaris is very powerful
[03:22:10] <splunk> and i respect it
[03:22:22] <splunk> i dunno
[03:22:35] <splunk> need more experience with it...maybe opensolaris will turn me up right
[03:22:39] <splunk> but i've only used reg solaris
[03:22:46] <nachox> Gman, of course its not his choice, he must use solaris or die
[03:22:54] <nachox> :P
[03:22:57] <splunk> thing is
[03:23:02] <Gman> i suspect he might die trying, yes ;)
[03:23:09] <splunk> i'm using Solaris b/c I'm forced to utilize Solaris BSM function
[03:23:13] <wesolows> actually he must use Solaris and die.  The latter isn't optional for any of us, even those using the correct OS.
[03:23:15] <splunk> which is pretty powerful
[03:23:44] <splunk> basic security module, any of you guys use it before?
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[03:23:53] <wesolows> yes, I know of it
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[03:24:03] <wesolows> I prefer my systems to be insecure so I never use it
[03:24:21] <nachox> ...
[03:24:25] <splunk> haha
[03:24:29] <wesolows> but I'm glad you're using it; most people have never heard of it
[03:24:58] <nachox> sun employees should be forced to use trusted solaris :)
[03:25:12] <wesolows> nachox: No.  If we wanted to work for the CIA, we would.
[03:25:33] <splunk> haha
[03:25:36] <splunk> no commend
[03:25:39] <splunk> comment*
[03:25:42] * brendang has used BSM
[03:25:47] <wesolows> In exchange for putting up with TX, they'd have to let me topple a government of my choice.
[03:26:02] <brendang> BSM auditing is pretty good, but much of the usability is left as an excercise for the reader
[03:26:20] <splunk> unless you get a powerful indexing tool like my username
[03:26:23] <splunk> lol
[03:26:37] <splunk> probably one of the best indexing tool i've seen
[03:26:57] <Tempt> actually use it much?
[03:27:04] <splunk> splunk?
[03:27:05] <Triskelios> my friend works for that company
[03:27:07] <Strykar> hi, where can i see a cd vs dvd file list for Belenix, i don't see it on http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site
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[03:27:17] <splunk> yea just had a guy come out and work me on it
[03:27:22] <splunk> work with me*
[03:27:29] <splunk> its pretty powerful
[03:27:36] <splunk> runs natively on Solaris
[03:27:39] <Tempt> Installed splunk, had it eat the system and then rm'd it and never looked at it again
[03:27:41] <Triskelios> splunk drives my poor U5 with 384M RAM into the ground though =\
[03:27:43] <Tempt> Might be a bit more mature and worth another look now
[03:27:52] <splunk> hahah
[03:27:59] <splunk> hence my Dual core
[03:28:02] <splunk> 5 gig of RAM box
[03:28:10] <Tempt> Besides, now I've got a machine with more grunt. It might run on my machine.
[03:28:16] <jbk> it looks neat
[03:28:24] <jbk> i really wanted to get my last employer to look at it
[03:28:25] <splunk> and indexing gets stored on my external firewire and i'm still pissed we didnt order internal SATA drives even tho its only 50mb/sec faster
[03:28:48] <splunk> but its super super quick when indexing large amounts of data
[03:29:17] <splunk> there is a few depends where you neeed them to write bundles so it understands the extracted fields
[03:29:22] <splunk> dependents*
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[03:29:49] <splunk> i'm curious to see how it will play with tacacs + data
[03:30:34] <splunk> only down fall of splunk
[03:30:41] <splunk> you have to convert all your data to a txt file
[03:31:02] <splunk> so if you have 2 gigs of BSM data...and you want to > .txt its gonna suck
[03:31:17] <jbk> i wonder how threaded it is --
[03:31:33] <jbk> seems like if it was, that on a t2000 w/ zfs might be an interesting combination
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[03:32:16] <rootard> Is there a Sun pro compilers specific room?
[03:32:47] <splunk> Tempt: what version of splunk did you install..the latest 3.0 is a monster leap from any previous versions
[03:33:01] <Tempt> I installed whatever was current 18 months ago
[03:33:10] <Triskelios> ah, 3.0 added SMP support
[03:33:32] <jpdrawneek> wow we on three - time to get back on with splunk
[03:34:00] <splunk> um 18months they just started
[03:34:01] <splunk> haha
[03:34:03] <Triskelios> rootard: doubt it...
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[03:34:18] <jbk> ok, that was a marathon email
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[03:34:38] <rootard> in that case, does anyone use dmake to build across multiple hosts?
[03:34:41] <splunk> haha with that said rootard: this server and opensolaris room kicks as
[03:34:42] <splunk> ass*
[03:35:13] <wesolows> yes, people do, but I don't.
[03:35:14] <rootard> I agree...
[03:35:48] <rootard> Are there any documents on security since it seems to require rsh?
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[03:38:50] <Triskelios> rootard: what does it require rsh for? just a package dependency?
[03:39:29] <rootard> Triskelios: dmake uses rsh to communicate with other hosts/start dmake remotely
[03:40:06] <Triskelios> ah, yeah
[03:40:26] <Triskelios> as of last year: http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5072558&messageID=9265862
[03:40:51] <Triskelios> so Studio 12 probably has the fix
[03:42:36] <rootard> ooh, that's cool. When I looked before it seemed like dmake actually had rsh _built in_ rather than calling a binary.
[03:42:46] <rootard> That was probably Studio10.
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[03:43:21] <rootard> The man doc's for dmake in 12 don't mention ssh.
[03:43:51] <jpdrawneek> splunk 3 bad -> flash 9 needed :(
[03:44:02] <Tempt> flash?
[03:44:07] <Tempt> for an admin tool?
[03:44:08] <splunk> for reporting yes
[03:44:10] <Tempt> FFS.
[03:44:11] <splunk> adobe flash 9
[03:44:14] <splunk> yea just add it
[03:44:15] <splunk> haha
[03:44:21] <Tempt> That's ... STUPID.
[03:44:23] <splunk> ahhh
[03:44:24] <Triskelios> splunk: serious? that's kind of retarded
[03:44:26] <splunk> ok I think we're almost back up
[03:44:39] <splunk> two files copy into plugins yea it is
[03:44:40] <splunk> hah
[03:44:44] <rootard> Triskelios: thanks
[03:44:53] <Triskelios> rootard: sure
[03:45:10] <jmcp> splunk: it requires flash?
[03:45:11] <jpdrawneek> splunk: i hope its really pretty then!
[03:45:17] <splunk> splunk-srvr is now back up
[03:45:21] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: it can't be, by definition
[03:45:23] <splunk> yea the reporting is nice
[03:45:29] <splunk> ahh GNOME is back
[03:45:41] <jpdrawneek> splunk: and make me cups of tea!
[03:45:47] <splunk> lol
[03:46:06] <splunk> now gotta reinstall splunk and mount these damn external drives
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[03:46:13] <jpdrawneek> splunk: well thats the main use of flash
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[03:46:24] <splunk> wow volmng picked them up
[03:46:27] <splunk> how about that
[03:46:33] <splunk> thats not typical
[03:46:41] <splunk> i typically had to mount my external drives manually
[03:47:33] <emilianOS> Hi, Have anyone installed plone succesfully?
[03:47:36] <jpdrawneek> splunk: does it do pretty graphs which can be printed off?
[03:47:57] <Tempt> You can't print flash, can you?
[03:48:14] <jpdrawneek> splunk: with green and red for good and bad?
[03:48:44] <jpdrawneek> splunk: would make it useful - for giving to management etc...
[03:48:45] <splunk> yup
[03:48:48] <splunk> all types
[03:48:50] <splunk> its nice
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[03:49:06] <jpdrawneek> this all in teh free one?
[03:49:15] <jmcp> hi sarah
[03:49:26] <sarah> hi jcmp
[03:49:46] <sarah> I mean jmcp...
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[03:49:51] <sarah> sorry, I am tired tonight...
[03:50:06] <jmcp> :)
[03:50:18] <jmcp> you seem to have been working pretty darned hard
[03:50:29] <sarah> yeah.. gotta get this thing finished.
[03:50:34] <sarah> SXDE closes on Friday for us.
[03:50:52] <jmcp> yeah
[03:50:53] <emilianOS> ???
[03:51:06] <jmcp> sarah: I like the new installer, btw
[03:51:14] <Triskelios> Tempt: you can, but only from the plugin itself...
[03:51:15] <nachox> caiman looks cool
[03:51:16] <jmcp> feels smooth :)
[03:51:33] <sarah> I am glad you like it. We have a lot of work to do yet, but we are making progress.
[03:51:39] <jmcp> yeah
[03:51:45] <sarah> Lots happening with new projects as well.
[03:52:07] <Tempt> WARNING: failed to restart init(1M) (err=5): system reboot required
[03:52:08] <Tempt> w00t!
[03:52:16] <nachox> ??
[03:52:26] <wesolows> oooh, that's spicy
[03:52:34] <nachox> that is new :)
[03:52:49] <Tempt> netbackup somehow crashed the host
[03:52:58] <Tempt> disksuite exploded
[03:53:10] <Tempt> WARNING: ufs log for / changed state to Error
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[03:53:18] <Tempt> and smf gets angry.
[03:53:21] <wesolows> sucks to be you
[03:53:24] <Tempt> Boot from CD and fix time
[03:53:25] <wesolows> zfs++
[03:53:40] <Triskelios> caiman would look better if the "nv" driver didn't start X in 8-bit colour by default...
[03:53:41] <splunk> wtf...why is taking forever to identify my devices including my CDROM
[03:53:45] <splunk> rmformat -l
[03:54:52] <lloy0076> Triskelios: Monochrome all the way!!
[03:55:24] <wesolows> I know you're joking but on a really great grayscale monitor it's gorgeous
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[03:56:30] * nachox remembers his hercules orange monitor
[03:57:43] * Triskelios remembers the orange IBM monitors at his middle school that were probably older than him
[04:00:38] <alanc> Triskelios: the normal default is 24-bit in Xorg on Solaris - if you're getting 8-bit it somehow thinks that's all it can do
[04:02:45] <Triskelios> alanc: yeah, that's weird
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[04:03:02] <alanc> /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have some clues
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[04:03:20] <jpdrawneek> splunk: what do you loss with the free splunk?
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[04:03:59] <nachox> alanc, why doesnt it load the nvidia driver instead of nv? it's not in the initial install disk?
[04:04:23] <alanc> not enough room in the miniroot/archive for the nvidia driver
[04:04:57] <alanc> we wanted to put it in, but couldn't
[04:05:13] <splunk> how much data you can index
[04:05:46] <splunk> how do I kill volmanager ?
[04:05:49] <splunk> I think its fuckin my shit up
[04:05:50] <alanc> I don't know why we couldn't do it on the DVD installers though...
[04:06:07] <wesolows> used to be pkill -V would do it
[04:06:13] <wesolows> I think that went away though
[04:06:21] <Triskelios> splunk: svcadm disable rmvolmgr ?
[04:06:47] <nachox> have to love vold
[04:07:06] <nachox> and secret switches
[04:07:21] <wesolows> 3no, there was nothing to love about vold
[04:07:27] <wesolows> except that pkill -V killed it
[04:08:29] <kaiwai> svcadm disable svc:/system/filesystem/rmvolmgr:default
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[04:10:24] <splunk> wtf is wrong with me trying to install firefox.....pkgadd -d MOZfirefox usually works
[04:10:38] <wesolows> why would you need to?  it's there by default
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[04:13:04] <splunk> what the fuck is wrong with my system...soemthing is fucking up volmgr
[04:13:14] <nachox> no, not in solaris 10, you have mozilla there
[04:13:31] <kaiwai> splunk: did you follow that svcadm command I send before?
[04:13:50] <splunk> didnt work Ir emember the command was shorting
[04:13:57] <splunk> shorter
[04:15:05] <kaiwai> what version of Solaris are you running?
[04:15:23] <kaiwai> SXCE/SXDE or Solaris 10?
[04:15:57] <nachox> try what wesolows suggested first, check whether vold actually died and disable it with svcadm
[04:16:02] <splunk> solaris 10
[04:16:22] <kaiwai> splunk: have you tried #solaris ?
[04:16:43] <splunk> efnet yes and they suck
[04:16:46] <alanc> Solaris 10 8/07 will have Firefox 2.0
[04:17:23] <jpdrawneek> ya only 8 more days left of the month!
[04:17:50] <kaiwai> no, this one, freenode has a #solaris
[04:17:52] <alanc> you must have missed the announcement that it won't ship until September
[04:18:01] <nachox> damn...
[04:18:19] <jpdrawneek> :'(
[04:18:28] <nachox> what's the point of marking solaris releases with dates if youre not going to respect them anyway?
[04:18:32] <kaiwai> damn xchat is a POS
[04:18:43] <alanc> letting you know approximate age
[04:18:57] <jpdrawneek> yay 38 days till the end of the month!
[04:19:05] <Triskelios> I guess the dates have to be set a while beforehand
[04:19:11] <alanc> not the first time it will have shipped in a different month than the name - S10 3/05 was available for download in January
[04:19:32] <jpdrawneek> which well like
[04:19:59] <alanc> it was originally 7/07 - they knew it was slipping to August far enough ahead to change the name to 8/07, but by the time it slipped again, all the docs and other places with the name in were already set
[04:20:12] <jpdrawneek> theres 7/07 docs about
[04:20:21] <jpdrawneek> well there 7/07 HW
[04:20:51] <Triskelios> like "this hardware requires Solaris 10 7/07"? ;)
[04:21:02] <jpdrawneek> any idea whats broke?
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[04:21:11] <alanc> HW 7/07 was a special hw release, made when the main release slipped, but they still needed it to ship some hardware
[04:21:44] <kaiwai> basically like the 'special' version which Apple ships as to support their new hardware :P
[04:21:46] <jpdrawneek> i got some kit to get up and running and would like to use the zones improvments
[04:22:16] <nachox> alanc. sun rays still requires xsun?
[04:22:23] <jpdrawneek> other wise its xmas before i can touch them aagin :(
[04:22:54] <alanc> nachox: yes, in the current release (even the Sun Ray 9/07 release that shipped yesterday)
[04:23:48] <jpdrawneek> cool - this the release with vpn client in it?
[04:23:53] <alanc> yes
[04:23:57] <kaiwai> alanc: eta on what the transition to Xorg is completed?
[04:24:07] <alanc> http://blogs.sun.com/ThinkThin/entry/sun_ray_software_4_09
[04:24:08] <jpdrawneek> nice - will wheel that one out
[04:24:45] <jpdrawneek> ta alanc
[04:25:15] <alanc> kaiwai: I don't know a date - once they finished off the 9/07 release, the Xorg port started getting a lot more work - stuart from our team is working with them on it, so I don't know all the details
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[04:25:50] <jpdrawneek> alanc: hows the sparc graphics punch up going?
[04:26:03] <nachox> i really wish we had more sun ray deployments here in argentina... i only know of a company trying them out...but then again, i dont know that many companies
[04:26:40] * jamesd has a sun ray deployment at home :-)
[04:26:49] <jpdrawneek> sun rays good
[04:26:57] <alanc> no news from sparc land
[04:27:29] <jpdrawneek> alanc: :( how many is the sparc gfx team?
[04:27:44] <splunk> dude
[04:27:52] <splunk> how come I can't pkgadd -d MOZfirefox
[04:28:03] <jpdrawneek> whats teh error?
[04:28:04] <jamesd> <-- dreams of the day they release a  4 core niagara 2 cpu based workstation....  drool  32 threads, 75 watts.....   all in a standard tower case.
[04:28:06] <splunk> keeps saying error: could not process datastream from <Mozfirefox.pkg>
[04:28:26] <jpdrawneek> pkgadd -d .
[04:28:53] <alanc> jpdrawneek: only a few people left there
[04:28:56] <splunk> GOD DAMN IT
[04:28:59] <jpdrawneek> Mozfirefox is not a .pkg so you can't do pkgadd -d MOZfirefox
[04:29:14] <jpdrawneek> alanc: not good
[04:29:39] <jpdrawneek> alanc: we off to nvidia ?
[04:29:45] <nachox> jamesd, add affordable to that :)
[04:30:00] <jpdrawneek> nachox: never going to happen
[04:30:15] <alanc> I don't know what they plan for future graphics now that 3D Labs is gone
[04:30:16] <nachox> let me dream will you?
[04:30:47] <alanc> they still have the ATI cards on the low end, so could expand there
[04:31:00] <jpdrawneek> alanc: hopefully nvidia otherwise its off the cheap PC for me :( (dulls)
[04:31:21] <jpdrawneek> alanc: but nvidia a good drivers :'(
[04:31:31] <alanc> we've got good nvidia drivers on x86
[04:31:48] <jamesd> nachox, yeah that too :-)   or perhaps  a free workstation or two for blogging about the experience on my blog :-)
[04:31:53] <jpdrawneek> so all we need is a reompile :)
[04:31:59] <nachox> hehe
[04:32:52] <jpdrawneek> niagara ws will not happen - and it will not be plesant
[04:33:03] <jpdrawneek> as any sun ray guy will tell you
[04:33:42] <nachox> otr was also intergrated in the new solaris, that is nice
[04:34:00] <kaiwai> jpdrawneek: hmm, rock as a sun ray server wouldn't be too painful
[04:34:38] <nachox> also, there is a new x server :)
[04:34:39] <jamesd> jpdrawneek, as any opensource geek will tell you, sun doesn't have to produce the system...   you can download your own copy of the chip and build it using off the shelf chips and parts if sun refuses too... niagara 2 will be opensource ;-)
[04:35:26] <jpdrawneek> currently trying to chat up fab time down the pub :)
[04:35:30] <nachox> and we have south america support!
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[04:36:23] <jpdrawneek> T2 could be good for sun rays the fp seems bumped up a lot
[04:36:32] <jpdrawneek> have to wait for the try and buy
[04:37:37] <jamesd> jpdrawneek, bumped up? its upto 8 times as fast.. and probably more with additional changes to the fp unit.
[04:38:00] <jpdrawneek> ya will see what happens in real world
[04:38:01] <nachox> and also there was a bump in the clock speed
[04:38:24] <jpdrawneek> 8 x really really bad = really bad?
[04:39:08] <jamesd> 8x really realy bad == .125bad
[04:39:09] <nachox> there were some benchmarks when it was released, it's actually more than 8x
[04:39:26] <jpdrawneek> 1ghz were to slow - 1.2 and 1.4 were better by reports - T2 could be ok
[04:39:30] <jpdrawneek> thats spec
[04:40:09] <jpdrawneek> no actual desktop usage type benchmarks - as not many people will be using it like that
[04:40:40] <jpdrawneek> will see on try and buy - hopefully the T2 will not be 8 time the price
[04:42:59] <jamesd> nah it will be probably be only a little more than the current t2000 price for a comparable config.. we know that computer price drop 50% per year, but computers get 50% faster every 18 months... so that makes it all about the same.
[04:44:28] <jpdrawneek> hopefully - the t1000 should be either the same or a bit more
[04:45:22] <jpdrawneek> as in what do you need in teh box? we got teh nics and the 8x pci-e on chip - all it needs is the sas controller
[04:45:43] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: on the chip or just on the motherboard?
[04:46:10] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: most of the t1000 parts are now on chip in teh T2
[04:46:11] <jamesd> jpdrawneek, it will have 10gigE on the chip....  not sure if they are going to put  the 4x  gigE on the board still...
[04:46:14] <jmcp> true
[04:46:26] <jmcp> but Sun doesn't design SAS chips
[04:46:54] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: T2 + lsi sas + 2 gig nics = t1000
[04:46:59] <kaiwai> SAS?
[04:47:02] <jmcp> I'm well aware of that
[04:47:05] <jmcp> Kaiba: Serial Attached SCSIi
[04:47:05] <jpdrawneek> serial scsi
[04:47:09] <jmcp> it's the next big thing for storage
[04:47:22] <jpdrawneek> and were so excited
[04:47:25] <kaiwai> ah
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[04:47:31] <jpdrawneek> oh yes.....
[04:47:35] <kaiwai> it would make no sense for Sun to design it
[04:47:38] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: well it's keeping me employed
[04:47:53] <jpdrawneek> yay - go sas go!!!!
[04:48:11] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: that better?
[04:48:14] <nachox> jmcp, you get to work with niagra2 boxes while designing the sas drivers? :)
[04:48:17] * kaiwai cracks whip *go sas go!*
[04:48:24] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: you need to suck up a bit more :-)
[04:48:30] <jmcp> nachox: only for testing, really
[04:48:32] <jpdrawneek> ok
[04:48:41] <jmcp> :(
[04:48:57] <kaiwai> jmcp: I assume figuratively in terms of sucking up
[04:49:06] <jmcp> of course ;-)
[04:49:07] <jpdrawneek> need sleep - 3:50am :(
[04:49:08] <jmcp> smartarse
[04:49:13] <jmcp> jpdrawneek: so go to bed !
[04:49:17] <nachox> jmcp, and they make you code in your own x86 laptop? :P
[04:49:28] <jmcp> well ... my own u20m2
[04:49:35] <jpdrawneek> nice
[04:49:45] <jmcp> ie, I own it. I think I'm on top of the list for the next hw refresh in our group
[04:49:57] <jmcp> which I hope will be a dual-proc dual-core u40m2
[04:50:05] <jpdrawneek> jmcp: shiny dull for you then
[04:50:12] <jmcp> it works
[04:50:19] <jpdrawneek> hopefully
[04:50:34] <kaiwai> regarding X - I assume B71 of X Window will merge with the next release of SXCE?
[04:51:16] <Jondice> think there will be a Rock based workstation coming out in 08?
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[04:51:34] <jpdrawneek> i so hope so
[04:51:37] <nachox> lo roland
[04:51:38] <jmcp> I doubt it
[04:51:43] <jamesd> i could sun replacing the u45 with a  niagara2 based one....  it would pay off for sun, the more of the custom chips (niagara2) the cheaper they get the more they can inflate the number on the yearly report.
[04:51:52] <jamesd> er i think
[04:51:58] <nrubsig> nachox: Hi! :-)
[04:51:59] <jpdrawneek> theres a baby rock hopefully
[04:52:00] <kaiwai> I doubt it; probably little commercial viability for it to exist
[04:52:17] <kaiwai> unless someone is living in the 80s and considers a $15,000 workstation as acceptable
[04:52:20] <nrubsig> jpdrawneek: I would like to see a Baby Niagara2 instead...
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[04:52:44] <libkeiser> until people start rewriting major desktop apps to exploit parallelism in a big way, i kinda doubt it too
[04:52:46] <jamesd> kaiwai, have you met the military... $30,000 laptops...
[04:52:49] <nrubsig> alanc-away: ping!
[04:52:50] <jpdrawneek> rocks all about fp and single thread which is what you want for ws
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[04:53:11] <alanc> just barely caught me - what do you want nrubsig?
[04:53:28] <nrubsig> alanc: erm... my bug report... is.... still missing, right ?
[04:53:39] <alanc> haven't seen it in my e-mail
[04:53:44] <kaiwai> jamesd: thats the US military when inefficiency is taken to a new art form
[04:54:14] <nrubsig> alanc: ;-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[04:54:22] <jpdrawneek> its only inefficiency if you can prove it happened at all
[04:54:31] <alanc> and I don't see it in the bug tool either
[04:54:41] <nachox> nrubsig, that is what i call a long face
[04:55:24] <nrubsig> !seen stevel
[04:55:25] <alanc> oh, missed kaiwai's message earlier: SXDE 9/07 is build 70 of Nevada - things you see in build 71 won't be until the SXDE release after that
[04:55:26] <Drone> stevel (stevel!n=stevel at 192 dot 18.43.225) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 22 Aug 2007 21:05 GMT, saying 'all the more reason to replace b.o.o.'.
[04:55:39] <jamesd> kaiwai, a t1000 starts at  $4000, the niagara could probably start at the same or a slight bit more and sun could market it as a office server  in a tower case...
[04:55:41] <kaiwai> jamesd: just look at how things are deployed in the US defence force - ship a whole heap of crap over, then ship back whats not needed - for example
[04:55:59] <jamesd> er niagara2
[04:56:10] <jpdrawneek> good thing about sas is you can mix scsi and sata
[04:56:27] <kaiwai> alanc: hmm, I think I'm tempted to wait till Xorg appears in SXCE - I tried compiling X Windows and it failed in a big screaming heap
[04:56:29] <alanc> oh, bah, you said SXCE - yes, the build numbers we post for X are the Nevada builds everyone uses, so X build 71 will be in SXCE 71
[04:56:37] <jpdrawneek> T2 + tower + 8ish bays - SME joy
[04:56:49] <alanc> huh?  Xorg has been in SXCE for three year
[04:56:50] <alanc> s
[04:57:02] <jamesd> jpdrawneek, ZFS joy as well...
[04:57:09] <alanc> or you mean the new release of it?
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[04:57:17] <boyd> nrubsig: Please close all those parentheses or the paren-parity of the universe will be disrupted with dire consequences for us all.
[04:57:19] <jpdrawneek> jamesd: ya
[04:57:25] <kaiwai> ah, ok, cool
[04:57:28] <alanc> (sorry, brain shutdown already)
[04:57:37] <kaiwai> thought it was a build number independent of SXCE
[04:57:50] * alanc only had one beer at the Sun Ray 9/07 release party...
[04:58:01] <boyd> There's a SunRay 9/07
[04:58:02] <boyd> ?
[04:58:05] <jpdrawneek> ya
[04:58:11] <jpdrawneek> out today it seems
[04:58:12] <nrubsig> boyd: grrrrr
[04:58:19] <kaiwai> alanc; btw, did you know that the Xft directory within the openwin/include is broken?
[04:58:25] <alanc> kaiwai: yes
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[04:58:30] <jpdrawneek> sleep time
[04:58:33] <alanc> boyd: http://blogs.sun.com/ThinkThin/entry/sun_ray_software_4_09
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[04:58:44] <nrubsig> boyd: $ float i ; for (( i=0 ; i < Inf+ ; i++ )) ; do print -n -- "(" ; done
[04:58:45] <kaiwai> sorry, I mean /usr/openwin/include/X11
[04:58:54] <kaiwai> ah, ok
[04:59:01] <alanc>  	6576355 P3, xserver/install - SUNWxwxft has broken links in snv nightly build for Xft
[04:59:01] <kaiwai> gonna be fixed soon?
[04:59:05] <boyd> Does it include free licenses for those of us who want to use SunRay's at home? <unjustified_hope />
[04:59:09] <kaiwai> ah, ok
[04:59:10] <nrubsig> boyd: universe is going to die from missing ')'
[04:59:17] <kaiwai> anyway, uni awaits
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[04:59:19] <boyd> nrubsig: noooooooooo
[04:59:25] <nrubsig> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
[04:59:28] <nrubsig> we all die!
[04:59:34] <nrubsig> (someday)
[04:59:39] * boyd fires up some "close paren" threads
[04:59:46] <nachox> nrubsig, that's ksh?
[04:59:51] <nrubsig> (the worms and cockroaches will feast upon us)
[05:00:00] <nrubsig> nachox: the for(( )) -loop ?
[05:00:13] <nachox> yep
[05:00:14] <alanc> boyd: sorry, think you still have to pay per-client
[05:00:17] <nrubsig> nachox: yes
[05:00:21] <nachox> new?
[05:00:26] <boyd> nrubsig: is float in ksh93 multi-precision? Or will we be saved by loss-of-precision?
[05:00:28] <nrubsig> nachox: in ksh93
[05:00:30] <boyd> alanc: :(
[05:00:41] <nrubsig> boyd: float is |long double|
[05:01:04] <boyd> nrubsig: So eventually the +1 will be lost in the noise
[05:01:07] <alanc> now to really go home
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[05:01:12] <boyd> By alanc-away
[05:01:15] <boyd> bye
[05:01:23] <alanc-away> bye
[05:01:35] <nrubsig> boyd: and for passing between functions use $ printf "%a" nameofloat # to print the hex representation of the float
[05:01:59] <nrubsig> boyd: Inf+ is positive infinite, a constant
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[05:02:12] <nrubsig> boyd: ksh93 supports Inf+, Inf-, Nan+, Nan- etc.
[05:02:15] <boyd> yes, but 1.3e56 + 1 == 1.3e56
[05:02:21] <nrubsig> boyd: yes
[05:02:35] <nrubsig> boyd: it was an endless loop....
[05:02:47] <nrubsig> (basically)
[05:02:55] <boyd> So, we're saved from ultimate paren-parity collapse of the space-text continuum
[05:02:56] <nrubsig> broken logic since it used < instead of <=
[05:03:08] <boyd> (what am I saying?)
[05:03:23] <boyd> Sorry... brain just paged in.
[05:03:36] <nrubsig> boyd: $ float i ; for (( i=0 ; i <= Inf+ ; i+=1 )) ; do print -n -- "(" ; done # would be correct
[05:03:49] * boyd fires up more anti-paren threads
[05:04:23] * boyd emails the anti-parens to nrubsig so they can annihilate in a release of pure energy.
[05:04:35] * nrubsig fires at boyd  using $ while true ; do print -n -- "((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((" ; done
[05:05:04] * boyd chops the first half of some lisp code off and shoots the remainder back at nrubsig
[05:05:55] <nachox> nrubsig, is there a way to print the the number that is represented by an ascii char in ksh? example, print 101 for A and 141 for a
[05:06:18] <nrubsig> boyd: $ typeset buff ; integer i ; for ((i=0 ; i < 32 ; i++ )) ; do buff+="(" ; done ; while true ; do print -- "$buff" ; done
[05:07:32] <boyd> dd if=/dev/closeparen bs=64k | socat - TCP:nrubsig:25
[05:09:52] <nrubsig> nachox: ksh93 -c "printf \"0x%x\n\" \$(( '?' )) '?' )) "
[05:09:54] <nrubsig> 0x20ac
[05:10:06] <nrubsig> erm
[05:10:13] <nrubsig> stupid paste
[05:10:47] <nrubsig> nachos: Use $ ksh -c "printf \"0x%x\n\" \$(( '?' )) " #
[05:11:21] <nrubsig> e.g. the numberic value of a char is returned by '<char>' inside a math expression
[05:11:46] <nrubsig> nachox: e.g. $(( 'a' )) will return the value for the character a
[05:11:55] <nrubsig> nachox: e.g. $(( '?' )) will return the value for the character ?
[05:11:57] <nrubsig> etc
[05:12:45] <boyd> Haha! nrubsig closed 2 extra parens! Score!
[05:12:57] <nrubsig> groan
[05:13:16] <nachox> nrubsig, i understood it them minute i saw the math expresion there but i thought the 'a' would translate to 0
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[05:15:13] <nrubsig> boyd: DIE: http://pastebin.ca/667561
[05:15:33] <nrubsig> nachox: no, these are ASCII characters
[05:15:40] <nrubsig> nachox: in the "C" locale
[05:15:53] <nrubsig> nachox: in other locale it's the value of |wchar_t|
[05:16:14] <nrubsig> nachox: and for Solaris in a *.UTF-8 locale it's the unicode value
[05:16:19] <nrubsig> and for Linux, too
[05:16:22] <nachox> nice to know
[05:16:39] * nrubsig watches boyd dying...
[05:17:21] <nrubsig> !summon Tpenta
[05:20:19] * boyd s/(/))/g
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[05:20:49] * nrubsig kicks boyd in the womb
[05:22:14] <boyd> umm.. ow!
[05:22:35] <nrubsig> does anyone know how I can get a SVN repository to display *.html files as "text/html" instead of "text/plain" ?
[05:22:56] <nrubsig> boyd is a giiirrrlll, boyd is a girrrrlll...
[05:23:05] * nrubsig dances around boyd and sticks his tongue out...
[05:25:25] * boyd bends nrubsig into the shape of a giant )
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[05:36:15] <nrubsig> !summon Tpenta
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[05:38:39] <dwc-> oh hey, it's nrubsig
[05:39:09] <dwc-> post-ksh93-integration nrubsig
[05:39:22] <nrubsig> dwc-: Hi! :-)
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[05:42:23] <nachox> nrubsig, you should be working in an arc case to replace ksh with ksh93, what are you doing here? ;)
[05:43:57] <nrubsig> right right
[05:44:08] <nrubsig> dwc-: ---> /msg
[05:51:42] <nachox> off to sleep, night guys
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[06:00:30] <nrubsig> dwc-: ping!
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[06:06:41] <nrubsig> dwc-: BTW: I wanted to say "thank you" for helping with your sparc laptop a while ago... :-)
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[06:08:11] <dclarke> anyone else out there fighting a losing battle with SunSolve ?
[06:08:19] <dclarke> just trying to get patches here
[06:08:39] <dclarke> seems like all I get is error messages and I have to try over and over to get one patch
[06:08:46] <dlg> jmcp?
[06:09:25] <dwc-> no problem nrubsig
[06:10:03] <jmcp> dlg: hi
[06:10:10] <dlg> http://wiki.sun.com/display/FOSSdocs/Home
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[06:10:37] * jmcp reads
[06:10:59] <Tempt> When did wiki.sun.com appear?
[06:11:05] <dlg> no idea
[06:11:23] <Tempt> Looks like they're running confluence too.
[06:11:26] <dlg> the guy ive been dealing with for opening doco just sent me that url
[06:12:03] <jmcp> dlg: that's very cool
[06:12:06] <jmcp> was the url from Barton?
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[06:12:23] <dlg> yes
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[06:13:08] 
[06:15:28] <Tempt> uplink: Oh, you could get away with asking some questions, although I'd ask in #solaris as well.
[06:15:29] <jmcp> uplink: sorry, I don't understand what you just typed
[06:15:50] <uplink> ok,sorry
[06:15:57] <Tempt> Ask away
[06:16:15] <Tempt> (Although I think Portuguese language skills are pretty shabby around here in general)
[06:17:31] <rootard> Is there any way of running an opensolaris zone on a Solaris 10 box?
[06:17:55] <jmcp> rootard: no
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[06:18:08] <jmcp> Tempt: especially since nachox just quit the channel a short while ago
[06:18:13] <jmcp> uplink:
[06:18:23] <jmcp> uplink: we try .... but we're not very good :-(
[06:18:45] <uplink> i try englesh... but my englesh is very bad
[06:19:06] <jmcp> I think it's better than the channel's Portugese :)
[06:19:11] <uplink> i run solaris 10 on vmware
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[06:19:48] <uplink> what name of channel solaris in portuguese?
[06:20:06] <Tempt> Zones on Solaris must be the same version as the global zone
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[06:20:26] <Tempt> Err, Todas as zonas devem ser as mesmas.
[06:20:31] <Tempt> (altavista)
[06:20:48] <uplink> humm
[06:21:22] <Tempt> Voce deve funcionar um outro VMWare para OpenSolaris.
[06:21:24] <uplink> my problem is the connect the internet on solaris 10 on vmware 6.0
[06:23:05] <uplink> is correct i ask about solaris 10 here? (opensolaris channel)
[06:23:08] <Tempt> You'll need to check the vmware documentation and make sure the ethernet settings are correct. If they are, check your IP address and default route.
[06:23:29] <jamesd> uplink they share a lot of code, both work in vmware....
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[06:24:10] <Tempt> Se seja o mesmos com Solaris e OpenSolaris
[06:24:34] * boyd waits for Tempt to inadvertantly offend someone
[06:25:10] * Tempt perfuradores Boyd
[06:25:37] <LeftWing> heh
[06:26:04] * boyd looks up a dictionary, then falls to the ground, Wile E Coyote-style
[06:26:12] <Tempt> Haha.
[06:26:13] <Tempt> Yes, well.
[06:26:37] <boyd> Still, I admire you trying.
[06:26:53] <Tempt> Well, you know, we also serve et al.
[06:27:20] <Tempt> Besides, I figured Babelfish might actually be useful for short sentences, since it trips over paragraphs with such aplomb.
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[06:28:00] <boyd> Yes, I can alost understand what you're saying, with the help of http://ets.freetranslation.com/
[06:28:03] <boyd> almost
[06:28:04] <uplink> the solaris 10 dectect the internet "lo0" but in my linux is detected by "eth0" connect by one router
[06:28:38] <boyd> uplink: lo0 is the loopback interface. It only connects to the solaris 10 install
[06:28:41] <Tempt> lo is the loopback interface.
[06:28:46] <Tempt> It doesn't go anywhere.
[06:28:50] <Tempt> type:
[06:28:53] <Tempt> ifconfig -a plumb
[06:28:54] <Tempt> ifconfig -a
[06:29:07] <uplink> ok,thanks i go try
[06:29:28] <boyd> I don't know what driver is used for vmware
[06:29:33] <Tempt> Nenhum problema
[06:29:49] <uplink> lo0: flags=2001000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4,VIRTUAL> mtu 8232 index 1
[06:29:50] <uplink>         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000
[06:29:50] <uplink> vmxnet0: flags=1000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 1500 index 2
[06:29:50] <uplink>         inet 192.168.1.10 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
[06:29:50] <uplink>         ether 0:c:29:85:9b:a5
[06:29:50] <uplink> lo0: flags=2002000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv6,VIRTUAL> mtu 8252 index 1
[06:29:51] <uplink>         inet6 ::1/128
[06:29:54] <uplink> vmxnet0: flags=2000841<UP,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv6> mtu 1500 index 2
[06:29:55] <uplink>         inet6 fe80::20c:29ff:fe85:9ba5/10
[06:29:58] <uplink>         ether 0:c:29:85:9b:a5
[06:30:01] <boyd> That looks good.
[06:30:15] <Tempt> You need to make sure vmxnet0 is correct
[06:30:28] <Tempt> and make sure you have correct routing
[06:30:29] <Tempt> netstat -nr
[06:31:09] <Tempt> http://pastebin.ca e um lugar bom para por o texto
[06:32:06] <boyd> Ugh.. I think I broke the translator with that comment
[06:32:26] * Tempt o cafe dos makes
[06:32:33] <uplink> pastebin is for? sorry i dont understernd
[06:32:40] <Tempt> boyd: It probably worked better before flattening to 7bit
[06:32:58] <Tempt> uplink: Don't worry about it, just tell us what netstat -nr says
[06:33:03] <boyd> Ah, I wondered about accents.... use utf8
[06:33:35] <uplink> 192.168.1.0          192.168.1.10         U         1      1 vmxnet0
[06:33:36] <uplink> 224.0.0.0            192.168.1.10         U         1      0 vmxnet0
[06:33:36] <boyd> Tempt: "the cafe of the makes"???
[06:33:56] <Tempt> boyd: The text that went in was Tempt makes coffee.
[06:34:11] <Tempt> uplink: you need to set a default route
[06:34:14] <boyd> Tempt: I assumes as much :)
[06:34:50] <uplink> how archive i need set the default route?
[06:34:57] <Tempt> Alright, I'm going to stop butchering this guy's language now.
[06:35:21] <Tempt> uplink: route add default 192.168.1.1
[06:35:26] <Tempt> assuming 192.168.1.1 is your router
[06:35:29] <Tempt> put the right address in
[06:36:59] <uplink> ok,i need reboot for connect?
[06:37:13] <uplink> i changed the default router
[06:38:24] <Tempt> Should work right away
[06:41:05] <uplink> "add net default: gateway 192.168.1.1" is ok,but no go... i acess the samba with my linux
[06:41:17] <boyd> Can you ping 192.168.1.1 ?
[06:42:16] <uplink> no answer from 192.168.1.1
[06:42:35] <uplink> but this is a correct ip of router
[06:43:47] <boyd> You may need to do something to vmware to allow the packets out...
[06:43:54] * boyd hasn't used it in a while
[06:44:03] <uplink> here go the ping "192.168.1.1 is alive"
[06:44:09] <boyd> That's good
[06:44:25] <Tempt> /usr/sbin/traceroute www.google.com
[06:45:22] <uplink> traceroute: unknown host www.google.com
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[06:46:22] <boyd> That's ok.. name resolution is a separate problem
[06:48:30] <Tempt> Find the IP of your nameserver
[06:48:33] <Tempt> cd /etc
[06:48:33] <uplink> if i go the ntwork place > SMB, acess the SMB
[06:48:38] <Tempt> cp nsswitch.dns nsswitch.conf
[06:49:03] <Tempt> echo "nameserver your.nameserver.ip.address" >resolv.conf
[06:49:10] <Tempt> that should work enough to get you going
[06:50:37] <uplink> nameserver? is not a ip?
[06:50:42] <Tempt> yes
[06:50:47] <Tempt> but I don't know your DNS IP
[06:53:08] <uplink> echo "solaris10 192.168.1.10" >resolv.conf
[06:53:15] <uplink> this?
[06:53:32] <Tempt> no
[06:53:39] <Tempt> echo "nameserver 192.168.1.10" >resolv.conf
[06:53:46] <Tempt> assuming 192.168.1.10 is your DNS
[06:55:34] <uplink> dns is ip of router? sorry ignorant
[06:55:34] <uplink> the ip of router is 192.168.1.1
[06:55:34] <uplink> and solaris is 192.168.1.10
[06:55:45] <uplink> sorry i'm ignorant*
[06:57:17] <boyd> You want the IP address of your DNS server.
[06:57:54] <boyd> uplink: Under windows try: ipconfig /all
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[06:58:15] <uplink> i dont have windows on this computer,i have linux
[06:58:35] <boyd> Oh, then what is in /etc/resolv.conf on linux should be the same on Solaris
[06:59:04] <uplink> ok i go search
[06:59:42] <uplink> "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
[06:59:45] <uplink> ok thx
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[07:01:33] <uplink> RUN the internet thanks very much for help
[07:04:43] <dclarke> hello .. anyone out there have patch 121017-11 ?
[07:04:52] <Tempt> sunsolve has it
[07:04:57] <Tempt> all your patch are belong to sunsolve
[07:05:05] <dclarke> yeah .. I know
[07:05:20] <dclarke> but does anyone else have it or has seen it ?
[07:05:41] <dclarke> it seems to be a wee bit .. odd
[07:05:51] <dclarke> warning [121017-11.zip]:  23658816 extra bytes at beginning or within zipfile
[07:05:58] <dclarke> that is what I mean
[07:06:09] <Tempt> get the signed version?
[07:07:12] <dclarke> Content-Length: 36990208
[07:07:22] <dclarke> let me refetch it
[07:09:04] <dclarke> very odd ...
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[07:17:10] <boyd> wow... Victoria Falls in 4 socket! I thought it was gonna be 2 only. Yummy
[07:17:48] <dclarke> $?
[07:17:55] <boyd> 0
[07:18:00] <dclarke> ?
[07:18:07] <dclarke> ?!
[07:18:10] <boyd> Who the hell knows till it's released
[07:18:13] <g4lt-mordant> free as in beer?! :D
[07:18:14] <boyd> http://www.theregister.com/2007/08/21/sun_transactional_memory_rock/
[07:18:18] <dclarke> :-P
[07:18:32] <boyd> Oops. wrong article
[07:19:02] <boyd> http://www.theregister.com/2007/08/22/sun_victoriafalls_hotchips/
[07:19:32] <dclarke> ?? http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6470484 ??   wtf ?
[07:20:54] <dclarke> 112668-04 SunOS 5.8: gzip patch says 6470484 Multiple security issues in gzip archiver may lead to arbitrary code execution but there is no info on this seemingly
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[07:22:23] <boyd> I have a feeling that the security bugs are not public for some reason
[07:22:47] <dclarke> baloney
[07:22:54] <dclarke> on open source code like gzip ?
[07:23:04] <dclarke> those bugs *should* be documented somewhere
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[07:23:46] <boyd> Dont' shoot the messenger
[07:23:57] <dclarke> k
[07:24:12] <dclarke> I'm just having a real hair pulling moment or two with Sunsolve tonight
[07:24:26] <dclarke> I guess paying for a support contract doesn't really mean that you can get patches
[07:24:52] <WickedWicky> morning all
[07:24:55] <dclarke> I'm getting errors from Sunsolve for patches nad then when I download them .. I need to test each one before extracting
[07:25:26] <rootard> evening WickedWicky
[07:28:09] <boyd> dclarke: I've seen a few people complaining about that kind of thing lately. http://ptribble.blogspot.com/2007/08/sunsolve-needs-makeover.html
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[08:13:59] <dclarke> anyone out there running OpenSSH from Blastwave ?
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[08:15:46] <dclarke> well there is a new version for testing at http://www.blastwave.org/testing/index.html
[08:17:12] <dlg> nice
[08:17:20] <dlg> do you provide smf things?
[08:17:25] <dlg> s/you/it/
[08:17:28] <dclarke> yes
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[08:18:19] <dclarke> $ svcs -av | grep -i ssh
[08:18:20] <dclarke> disabled       -              1:57:08      - svc:/network/ssh:default
[08:18:22] <dclarke> online         -              1:56:43     84 svc:/network/cswopenssh:default
[08:18:31] <dclarke> it comes with a full load of ciphers etc etc
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[08:19:10] <Tempt> I'm surprised you haven't just released BlastwaveIX
[08:19:19] <Tempt> OpenSolaris with a blastwave userland.
[08:19:20] <dclarke> so stuff like "/opt/csw/bin/ssh -2 -4 -e\^ -l dclarke -c aes256-cbc -v  remotehost" works
[08:19:37] <dclarke> Tempt :  its been done
[08:19:46] <dclarke> to a roaring indifference
[08:19:52] <Tempt> Actually, you'd probably get a really good reception
[08:20:01] <Tempt> If it was kept current and had all the desktop candies
[08:20:04] <dclarke> well ...
[08:20:15] <dclarke> well we have GNOME and KDE and XFCE
[08:20:22] <dclarke> but KDE getting a wee aged
[08:20:24] <Tempt> That's candy enough.
[08:20:33] <dclarke> and fluxbox too
[08:20:34] <micken> does xfce work now ? :)
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[08:20:39] <dclarke> and .. enlightenments
[08:20:44] <dclarke> xfce .. yep
[08:20:49] <dlg> dclarke: so its not built against the ssh in s10/nv?
[08:20:50] <dclarke> been using it for a while
[08:20:58] <Tempt> I'm surprised people weren't interested.
[08:20:59] <micken> from blastwave ?
[08:21:01] <dclarke> no .. its totally separate
[08:21:13] <dlg> i mean
[08:21:14] <dlg> the ssl
[08:21:21] <dclarke> openssl ?
[08:21:32] <dclarke> openssl is totally separate also
[08:21:33] <dlg> yes
[08:21:38] <micken> post install , 10h
[08:21:40] <micken> ...
[08:21:45] <dclarke> I tested that and we released it .. last week
[08:21:56] <micken> ohh
[08:22:00] <micken> I'l check
[08:22:09] <dclarke> please see http://www.blastwave.org/cronlist/index.html
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[08:22:22] <dclarke> Aug  1 12:13  openssl-0.9.8,REV=2007.08.01_rev=e-SunOS5.8-all-CSW.pkg.gz
[08:22:29] <dclarke> geez .. 3 weeeks ago now
[08:22:32] <dclarke> time flies
[08:23:21] <dclarke> the rev in the testing pool is a minor tweak : 5437460  Aug 22 20:13 openssl_rt-0.9.8,REV=2007.08.21_rev=e-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz
[08:24:16] <Tempt> hmm, you should use /usr/sfw openssl if available in order to get the crypto hardware support.
[08:24:27] <Tempt> That's a bigger and bigger issue with crypto hardware becoming more common
[08:24:48] <Tempt> ps -ef
[08:24:48] <Tempt> ooops
[08:25:41] <dclarke> is the /usr/sfw/openssl avail for legacy Solaris 8 and 9 ?
[08:25:46] <Tempt> How's this for a classic: the scripts that start VNC for the SunPCi card are forkbombing my box
[08:26:29] <dclarke> SunPCi card ? is that still around ?
[08:26:36] <dclarke> its an AMD Athlon thing right ?
[08:27:01] * dclarke tests GIMP http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/gimp_2.2.15_007.png
[08:27:02] <Tempt> DeCeleron in this case
[08:27:18] <Tempt> I wondered what happened before
[08:27:34] <Tempt> Run queue hit 8000
[08:27:52] <dclarke> 8000 ??!?
[08:27:54] <Tempt> I was playing around with testing lwp limits at the same time and figured something ran away
[08:28:01] <Tempt> but no, it's F**CKING VNC
[08:28:04] <dclarke> ya think ? :-)
[08:28:22] <dclarke> ran away ==> warped away
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[08:28:34] <Tempt> I have a dedicated user for that card: ps -ef | grep -c chimera returns 9421
[08:29:03] * dclarke falls out of chair
[08:29:17] <Tempt> and that's full of actual processes too, like vncserver and crap
[08:29:20] <Tempt> ran me out of swap
[08:29:33] <Tempt> reboot after panic: BAD TRAP: type=31 rp=2a10b991080 addr=30 mmu_fsr=0 occurred in module "genunix" due to a NULL pointer dereference
[08:29:57] <Tempt> Nice, so all my lovely sessions and stuff are in the bin. Screen can't save you from a panic ...
[08:30:15] <LeftWing> heh
[08:30:36] <dclarke> Star Trek calls that a core breech
[08:31:15] <dclarke> okay .. so I have to do a test on a Sparc 20 .. sad but true
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[08:32:10] <dclarke> anyways .. as for the whole userspace idea on top of OpenSolaris ON .. its a notion .. that Indiana will probably kill
[08:32:31] <dclarke> Indiana will have a new package format and its not backwards compatible
[08:32:34] <micken> is there anyway to get into a newly installed solaris sparc box when it's console is busy ?
[08:32:50] <dclarke> so .. I have to run the conversion tools on all 1700+ packages here
[08:33:12] <dclarke> micken : ummm .. not really .. is there a user created ?
[08:33:21] <micken> dclarke: nope
[08:33:30] <dclarke> damn .. root only
[08:33:39] <dclarke> okay .. so telnet/ftp/ssh is not going to work for you
[08:33:45] <micken> dclarke: and nothing on the serial ports
[08:33:52] <dclarke> how did you do this ?
[08:33:56] <dclarke> oh .. never mind
[08:34:09] <dclarke> so .. the box will not respond to an enter key or anything ?
[08:34:33] <micken> well , I'm stupid , I'm installing solaris express on a U5 with 128M ram
[08:34:41] <dclarke> oh .. well done !
[08:34:45] <micken> and now it's post install setup
[08:34:53] <micken> allmost 10h now
[08:35:02] <micken> still running
[08:35:03] <dclarke> ha ha ha ...
[08:35:15] <dclarke> running? or crawling ?
[08:35:30] <micken> the progress bar moves , and disks makes noice
[08:35:37] <micken> swaaap
[08:36:01] <micken> what does it actualy setup ?
[08:36:19] <e^ipi> that noise is the heads thrashing around failing to make forward progress
[08:36:42] <dclarke> micken : see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/12
[08:36:58] <dclarke> # prtconf -v | grep Memory\ size  ==> Memory size: 64 Megabytes
[08:37:07] <dclarke> so .. been there .. died that
[08:37:43] <micken> ok
[08:37:52] <micken> how long did it take to install ?
[08:38:10] <dclarke> two pots of coffee and maybe .. two days
[08:38:14] <dclarke> more or less
[08:38:17] <dclarke> maybe more
[08:38:30] <dclarke> brb
[08:38:31] <micken> this machine have been running 10 before
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[08:40:02] <trygvis> dclarke: did you plan on making a "dev" list on blastwave?
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[08:40:33] <brendang> wow, this is cute,
[08:40:36] <brendang> # init 6
[08:40:36] <brendang> could not get pid for init
[08:40:47] <brendang> # ps -ef | head -5
[08:40:47] <brendang>      UID    PID   PPID   C    STIME TTY         TIME CMD
[08:40:47] <brendang>     root      0      0   0 22:51:33 ?           0:46 sched
[08:40:47] <brendang>     root      1      0   0        - ?           0:00 <defunct>
[08:40:47] <brendang>     root      2      0   0 22:51:34 ?           1:11 pageout
[08:40:49] <brendang> ...
[08:40:50] <brendang> ow
[08:40:57] <brendang> # reboot
[08:40:57] <brendang> reboot: can't idle init
[08:40:59] <brendang> ...
[08:41:08] <micken> hehe
[08:41:11] <brendang> # halt
[08:41:11] <brendang> halt: can't idle init
[08:41:20] <brendang> # poweroff
[08:41:20] <brendang> poweroff: can't idle init
[08:41:22] <Tempt> Nice work.
[08:41:29] <delewis> uadmin(1) is your friend.
[08:41:30] <brendang> first time for everything
[08:41:39] <Tempt> How did you do that one?
[08:41:42] <brendang> ok, here goes a uadmin 2 0 ...
[08:41:58] <axisys> dclarke: what is joomla.. something like cfengine?
[08:42:00] <brendang> # uadmin 2 0
[08:42:00] <brendang> syncing file systems... done
[08:42:00] <brendang> Press any key to reboot.
[08:42:19] <brendang> ahh, uadmin still loves me.
[08:42:40] <brendang> Tempt: a BFU
[08:42:59] <Tempt> At least you didn't have VNC take down your host (!)
[08:43:10] <brendang> Tempt: yeah - thats crazy
[08:43:20] <Tempt> The panic() didn't impress
[08:43:31] <dclarke> back
[08:43:37] <brendang> Tempt: I had ttywatcher panic a system once. it is special when user-land tools are able to do that.
[08:43:41] <dclarke> dev list ?  damn good idea
[08:44:10] <Tempt> I couldn't believe the 8000+ run queue
[08:44:16] <dclarke> trygvis :  hello
[08:44:21] <trygvis> hi
[08:44:34] <dclarke> trygvis :  well .. actually I had an idea today
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[08:44:51] <dclarke> trygvis :  as you may guess I have fairly decent relations with various Sun fellows
[08:44:54] <Tempt> Solaris gets extra-special points for still being interactively usable with a run queue of 8000 though.
[08:45:04] <Tempt> mpstat was all zeros down the right
[08:45:11] <blueandwhiteg3> what's up with community express downloads?
[08:45:16] <dclarke> trygvis :  so we had this idea .. grab a chunk of the Sun GRID ( remember that? )
[08:45:27] <trygvis> yep
[08:45:32] <dclarke> trygvis :  and they gave me chunk .. pile of nodes
[08:45:55] <dclarke> trygvis :  so that .. would not really be inside the Blastwave stack and I could then hand out user ids to community people
[08:46:05] <dclarke> trygvis :  problem solved eh ?
[08:46:31] <trygvis> not really, people still need help when packaging their stuff
[08:46:36] <brendang> Tempt: was the 8000 from vmstat or sar?
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[08:46:51] <trygvis> but it will help a long way if the servers contain a complete stack of course
[08:46:51] <Tempt> brendang: From the status bar in screen
[08:46:52] <micken> dclarke: does cse xfce realy work , it did allmost work over xdmcp but not on my creator console
[08:46:55] <Tempt> brendang: :-)
[08:47:00] <micken> csw
[08:47:09] <brendang> Tempt: oh - is that reading the load averages?
[08:47:12] <dclarke> micken :  ummm .. works for me ?  I guess
[08:47:18] <boyd> wow 8000 is a nice effort
[08:47:26] <Tempt> brendang: Yes. Hence being fairly useless but decorative
[08:47:29] <boyd> (on any measure - except lying)
[08:47:39] <micken> dclarke: and it's 4.2
[08:47:47] <brendang> Tempt: load averages aren't too bad these days (now based on cpu-mircostate accounting). 8000 is insane, though.
[08:47:58] <dclarke> micken : one sec
[08:48:01] <boyd> Tempt: wtf did you do to get that?
[08:48:20] <Tempt> SunPCi
[08:48:43] <Tempt> software went wild and filled my system with VNCserver and dtwm and crap
[08:48:48] <LeftWing> SunPCi CPU Onload Card? :P
[08:48:54] <dclarke> micken : xfce 4.2.3.2,REV=2007.01.17
[08:49:15] <micken> dclarke: yes I can see that
[08:49:29] <dclarke> you want 4.4.1 ..
[08:49:32] <dclarke> I guess
[08:49:35] <dclarke> humph
[08:49:42] * dclarke can never catch up
[08:49:52] <micken> I tried to compile it , but I went out of swap
[08:49:57] <micken> tmp filled up
[08:49:57] <dclarke> I guess I'll drop Bill a note and see if we can start a fresh build
[08:50:11] <dclarke> oh your machine a fart would kill it
[08:50:26] <Tempt> Time to look at the stack trace and see exactly where it finally fell apart
[08:50:28] <micken> on my U1
[08:50:35] <micken> with solaris 9
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[08:51:08] <Tempt> haha, right until the end prstat gets a slice of the action:   2 00001838600  1b   68    0  59   no    no t-0    313d47e5300 prstat
[08:51:10] <dclarke> well .. these days I need minimum 4GB of RAM in the build servers
[08:51:37] <dclarke> Tempt :  try prstat in realtime mode
[08:51:40] <micken> it's silly , realy,
[08:51:47] <dclarke> micken :  yep
[08:51:55] <dclarke> on that note .. I must sleep
[08:52:00] <dclarke> a bit at least
[08:52:57] <brendang> ... (oops - if anyone noticed earlier, when I said cpu-microstate, I meant thread-microstate. load averages get calculated by iterating over all threads and reading their CPU latencies)...
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[08:54:41] <e^ipi> Tempt: offtopic, but you remember I was looking to get rid of that godforsaken pressurized portafilter on my saeco^H sbux machine ?
[08:54:52] <Tempt> brendang: stack trace ends like ... 000002a10b990921 prfind_zone+0x70(49aa, 6, 3000e2f61c0, 0, 186f400, 5d94700bbf8)
[08:54:57] <boyd> Offtopic!?!?! Egad!
[08:54:58] <Tempt> e^ipi: Yep. Steal one.
[08:55:09] <brendang> boyd: LOL
[08:55:10] <e^ipi> a screwdriver later & it's unnecessary
[08:55:17] <Tempt> boyd: You'll need to log your ssgd session back in and start your stuff up again...
[08:55:22] <Tempt> e^ipi: Do tell..
[08:55:28] <boyd> Tempt: bastard
[08:55:36] <boyd> You paniced the 880?
[08:55:49] <e^ipi> the pressurization mechanism was all contained in the portafilter, so i just took the thing apart and threw away the valves
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[08:57:29] <boyd> Tempt: What's it called, anyway?
[08:57:38] <Tempt> boyd: What's what called?
[08:57:39] <brendang> Tempt: hmm. did you destroy a zone around the time of panic?
[08:57:53] <Tempt> brendang: Nope, no changes at all.
[08:58:04] <Tempt> brendang: Unless it was a zone suiciding because of memory pressure or something.
[08:58:38] <Tempt> The 880? It's called taco.
[08:58:42] <Tempt> taco-taco-taco
[08:58:56] <brendang> Tempt: multi-CPU?
[08:59:01] <Tempt> 8 way
[08:59:06] <blueandwhiteg3> anybody know why solairs pulled the community express downloads?
[08:59:11] <blueandwhiteg3> it says they are not available
[08:59:13] <karrotx> i have to try and get this data off
[08:59:17] <boyd> Ah,taco
[08:59:25] <Bartman007> have the b70 images been pulled?
[09:00:19] <boyd> I don't understand why, even though everyone knows there's something up with Denmark they kept distributing b70
[09:00:23] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> quit bitchin : goto http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b70-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try
[09:00:42] <blueandwhiteg3> I can't find any community express downloads, I was trying to evangelize a friend....
[09:00:47] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> or watch http://www.blastwave.org/docs/OpenSolaris/index.html
[09:00:50] <boyd> dclarke_ZZZzzz: I though *you* had probs
[09:00:55] <boyd> (with b70)
[09:01:00] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> thats it .. I'm goin to bed
[09:01:05] <Bartman007> dclarke_ZZZzzz: thank you.
[09:01:08] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> b70 .. works fine for me
[09:01:20] <blueandwhiteg3> ok, cool
[09:01:22] <blueandwhiteg3> it's just sun
[09:01:23] <Tempt> heh, /topic Latest Stable SXCE 69 | Latest SXCE 70 ...
[09:01:50] <Bartman007> dclarke_ZZZzzz: the osol-announce link is broken, that's why I asked.
[09:01:52] <boyd> What about the b70b talk
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[09:02:04] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> boyd : wait for it
[09:02:14] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> now .. I'm really goin ..
[09:02:17] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> walking away
[09:02:20] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> I mean it ..
[09:02:23] <boyd> Byeeeeee
[09:02:24] <karrotx> walk away not today disco lady
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[09:02:50] <WickedWicky> hooray
[09:03:08] <BatonT> anyone happen to know what chipsset/drive the 4port Dell SAS5/i controller uses? and would it have native sata support under solaris
[09:03:15] <karrotx> why flux can't rhel assign this western digital usb drive a device?
[09:03:42] <Tempt> haha, rhel.
[09:03:49] <dlg> BatonT: its an lsi logic fusion mpt sas hba
[09:03:51] <WickedWicky> Evening Tempt
[09:03:58] <WickedWicky> hello to all
[09:04:00] <dlg> ie, it should work with the mpt driver
[09:04:03] <dlg> just fine
[09:04:10] <BatonT> dlg: which is native sata?
[09:04:13] <dlg> its sas
[09:04:20] <dlg> sata disks appear as scsi drives
[09:04:25] <dlg> it works fine
[09:04:30] <Tempt> WickedWicky: evenin'.
[09:04:31] <boyd> Hey, Tempt, got a pointer to a quickstart guide for hyperichq? I just wanna play
[09:04:34] <BatonT> so hotplug etc will work
[09:04:52] <Tempt> boyd: I could teach a short course on it ;)
[09:04:55] <dlg> the hardware supports it
[09:05:00] <Tempt> I'll give you the rundown off channel
[09:05:01] <dlg> im pretty sure the driver does too
[09:05:20] <BatonT> i have it spare from work (pulled outta a dell server)   just i'll need to buy a sas multilane connector -> 4x sata cable..   like   http://www.sierra-cables.com/SAS/Images/MultiLane-Quad-SAS-End.jpg
[09:05:26] <boyd> Tempt: You should run a course in #hyperic101
[09:05:40] <karrotx> #rhel is about as helpful as a goat
[09:05:46] <Tempt> hey
[09:05:49] <Tempt> goats make great curry
[09:05:51] <karrotx> and the goog is letting me down
[09:06:24] <dlg> karrotx: dmesg doesnt list anythign about it?
[09:06:33] <karrotx> it shows everything about the drive
[09:06:36] <karrotx> doesn't assign it a letter
[09:06:37] <boyd> Tempt: I've never tried a curry cooked by a goat.
[09:06:41] <karrotx> says it's on scsi4:
[09:06:42] <dlg> does it have like sdc next to the outpu?
[09:06:57] <Tempt> boyd: You haven't been to some of the restaurants I've been to ;)
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[09:09:43] <bobbyz> karrotx: lsmod shows usb-storage loaded?
[09:09:57] <karrotx> yup
[09:09:58] <sickness> morning all
[09:10:46] <bobbyz> karrotx: you can try to force the recognition again with modprobe -r usb-storage; modprobe usb-storage
[09:11:22] <bobbyz> karrotx: otherwise, make sure udev had the proper rules
[09:11:27] <bobbyz> has
[09:11:49] <Tempt> udev?
[09:11:51] <Tempt> modprobe?
[09:11:53] <Tempt> OH NOES
[09:12:00] <karrotx> ya everything stats wise is listed  about the drive
[09:12:07] <Tempt> CAN BE SOLARIS TYME NOW PLZ?
[09:12:17] * Tempt grins
[09:12:30] <karrotx> Tempt: have you seen party cat?
[09:12:35] <Tempt> party cat?
[09:12:38] <Tempt> *googles*
[09:12:47] <karrotx> it's one of the best none hilarious ones
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[09:13:37] <Tempt> karrotx: CAN BE HAVING URL PLZ?
[09:13:53] <quasi> no
[09:14:00] <karrotx> i got it from eatliver.com today
[09:14:01] * WickedWicky gives Tempt a cookie
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[09:19:07] <jmcp> Tempt: I like this one http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2314
[09:19:26] <karrotx> Tempt: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1954
[09:20:40] * Tempt looks
[09:21:14] <Tempt> haha
[09:21:17] <Tempt> Party cat.
[09:21:22] <Tempt> I like the santa one though.
[09:22:24] <boyd> Yeah. The santa one rulez
[09:22:38] <Tempt> with a z
[09:22:50] <Tempt> Which, incidently is why ZFS is considered so cool.
[09:23:03] <Tempt> it has a z, and the z has cool points by default.
[09:23:17] <karrotx> that's true
[09:23:19] <Tempt> If they called it Sun Java Enterprise Filesystem, nobody would like it.
[09:23:26] <karrotx> ufs is boring and very uncool
[09:23:29] <boyd> Yez, z haz coolz pointz
[09:23:46] <boyd> They just need a patch to make it ufz
[09:24:05] <Tempt> uzifs
[09:24:10] <Tempt> It's gangsta!
[09:24:15] <karrotx> ufizzle
[09:24:29] <karrotx> or possible, ufsizzle?
[09:24:35] <WickedWicky> the gangstaest gangsta of all gangstas!
[09:24:55] <karrotx> party cat        is buying next round
[09:25:16] <karrotx> that's one fat cat too
[09:25:27] * Tempt declares karrotx to be the designated party cat
[09:25:30] <Tempt> Now gimmeh beer
[09:25:39] <WickedWicky> and proper beer!
[09:25:48] <karrotx> i wouldn't mind a beer
[09:25:53] <WickedWicky> I would, it's 9:25am
[09:25:56] * Gman on day 2 of his first fermentation :)
[09:26:14] <WickedWicky> I hear we're having a party at Gman's
[09:26:19] <Gman> :)
[09:26:22] <karrotx> WickedWicky: it's 3:26am and i'm (BACK) at work trying to get this ever important data
[09:26:43] <WickedWicky> what did you do? or who screwed up?
[09:26:48] <Tempt> You really want to volunteer to be test rat for someone's first homebrew?
[09:26:56] <WickedWicky> Tempt: I am dutch, of course
[09:27:00] <WickedWicky> we try, we die
[09:27:07] <WickedWicky> if we're lucly we just get very sick
[09:27:08] <Gman> how bad can it be? :)
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[09:27:18] * Tempt thinks about some of the homebrew he's consumed ...
[09:27:24] * Tempt thinks about something else now.
[09:27:29] <karrotx> homebrews are for sissys
[09:27:34] <WickedWicky> I had some finnish friends that brew vodka in their bath tub
[09:27:34] <WickedWicky> e
[09:27:39] <karrotx> real men buy their beer from keystone and it's affiliates
[09:27:42] <WickedWicky> apparently alcohol is unpayable there
[09:27:55] <WickedWicky> or in the beer shop when you're canadian
[09:28:10] <tsoome> sometimes its not a question of price;)
[09:28:22] <WickedWicky> I still like the idea of going to a place and just choose between 60 kinds of beer
[09:28:25] <karrotx> i wouldn't mind some moonshine
[09:28:30] <Tempt> I've had some excellent homebrew.
[09:28:38] <Tempt> I've just had some .. less than excellent homebrew as well
[09:28:42] <WickedWicky> well
[09:28:49] <Tempt> bathtub vodka for the win, though.
[09:28:58] <Gman> you nutballs :)
[09:29:04] <WickedWicky> I used to have this serbian coworker, who brought me home brewn rakija
[09:29:14] <Tempt> Home brew slivovitz
[09:29:17] <WickedWicky> yes
[09:29:18] <tsoome> :D
[09:29:21] <karrotx> ok i think it's time to go home and let this shit run
[09:29:23] <karrotx> man this sucks
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[09:29:32] <Tempt> or something made out of some crud approximately vaguely related on a conceptual level to plums
[09:29:48] <WickedWicky> that'd be slivovica/rakija
[09:30:07] <WickedWicky> then there is palinka, from hungaria, made of peaches, which is to die for as well
[09:30:09] <Tempt> Good for stripping paint.
[09:30:17] <Tempt> die for or die from?
[09:30:22] <WickedWicky> anfd then there is the AA where you'll end up when you drink it too much :P
[09:30:25] <WickedWicky> both
[09:30:39] <Tempt> anyway, I'm off home. Enough of this office for today.
[09:30:49] <WickedWicky> I remember this wedding where they ended up feeding me sugar cubes cause I was a bit off
[09:31:14] <WickedWicky> but this was all whe I was young and innocent of course
[09:31:15] <tsoome> hm, its good if you can remember.... :D
[09:31:16] * WickedWicky is responsible and 28 now
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[09:37:08] <e^ipi> rakija is terrible
[09:37:17] <WickedWicky> rakija roxorz
[09:37:47] <WickedWicky> and on gman's question "how bad can it be" not worse than our national "pride" Heineken, I presume
[09:38:53] <e^ipi> shit'll strip paint off oil tankers
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[09:39:28] <e^ipi> my inlaws drink it by the gallon
[09:39:30] <WickedWicky> multi functional
[09:41:07] <e^ipi> crazy eastern europeans....
[09:41:32] <WickedWicky> da da
[09:41:34] <Gman> WickedWicky, heineken is a fine beer
[09:41:40] <WickedWicky> ugh dot com
[09:41:49] <WickedWicky> no it aint, but cant debate taste
[09:42:06] <WickedWicky> e^ipi: Brazil has cachaca, which is as bad
[09:42:13] <Gman> seemingly
[09:42:32] * Gman thinks there are a lot worse beers in the world, heineken is middle of the road
[09:42:48] <kjetilho> WickedWicky: bah, cachaca is pure
[09:42:49] <WickedWicky> does anybody know where the RPM_BUILD_ROOT variable is defined within pkgtool?
[09:43:23] <WickedWicky> we have this local beer called "Orange Boom" which means "Orange Tree" , which is as bad as it sounds
[09:43:37] <WickedWicky> so is rakija, still
[09:43:57] <kjetilho> I haven't tried rakija, but slivo and palinka are nasty
[09:44:10] <kjetilho> almost as bad as Laphroig :-)
[09:44:24] <WickedWicky> When I went to Belo Horizonte (a state in brazil) I went to a place where you could try 9039803098 types of cachacas, different blending, flavors added, etc etc
[09:44:33] <WickedWicky> that's norwegian?
[09:44:46] <WickedWicky> or Lapland-ish (if that's a word)
[09:44:55] <kjetilho> WickedWicky: no, it's the smokiest of the Islay whiskies
[09:45:26] <WickedWicky> hmmm
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[09:50:31] <ofu> there is no solaris_amd64/SUNWebsg ? i thought, this is java...
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[09:54:21] <Tempt> WickedWicky: I think Heineken in Australia brewed locally, like Becks and Stella.
[09:56:00] <ofu> Laphroaig rocks, at least the Quarter Cask Edition
[09:56:46] <WickedWicky> Tempt: workaholic, I thought you were leaving hte office
[09:56:51] <kjetilho> ofu: I'm a friend of Laphroig, too -- but *does* contain impurities -- that's the flavour
[09:57:34] * quasi thinks anyone drinking a quarter cask of laphroig woudln't rock very much ;)
[09:58:35] * seanmcg cradles his guinness amongst these strange other beers
[09:59:19] <quasi> Guinness is good for you[tm]
[09:59:28] <WickedWicky> it serves a complete meal
[09:59:44] <ofu> complete meal? without meat?
[10:00:10] <WickedWicky> complete-ish
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[10:00:19] <CIA-16> pjung: 6437648 svc.configd will dump core if svc_nonpersist.db fails the integrity check, 6571620 svccfg repository command should fail if the given file doesn't exist
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[10:01:05] <WickedWicky> my battery will be empty soon
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[10:02:03] <Tempt> WickedWicky: I'm at home, you realise.
[10:02:10] <Tempt> WickedWicky: I live in the city, only a 10 minute walk.
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[10:05:16] <quasi> Heineken, Becks and Stella - what are those? expensive bottled water? ;)
[10:05:39] <Tempt> Now that they are brewed by Fosters, they're expensive headache inducing poison.
[10:05:57] <Tempt> I used to quite enjoy the Becks.
[10:06:32] <bobbyz> that's why you gotta brew your own beer  :)
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[10:07:18] <quasi> Tempt: water
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[10:10:14] <WickedWickeh> be right back from the office
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[10:10:37] <nrubsig> Tpenta: yt ?
[10:10:54] <Tpenta> yes but VERY preoccupied
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[10:21:25] <flyingparchment> you know, one thing i like about solaris is that the boot process isn't ridiculously verbose
[10:21:38] * flyingparchment is watching linux boot, it produced about 10 pages of output
[10:23:09] <nightswim> isnt verbosity a good thing? :)
[10:23:21] <bobbyz> flyingparchment: I think you can pass the "quiet" switch as a kernel option
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[10:26:51] <kjetilho> flyingparchment: uhm, have you tried boot -v :-)
[10:27:06] <kjetilho> most Linux distros turn on quiet by default these days.
[10:27:49] <bobbyz> true, but if he's getting that much verbosity, it sounds like he doesn't have it  :)
[10:28:06] <PC_bugs> :)
[10:28:07] <flyingparchment> yeah, i know about quiet, but there's still init
[10:28:42] <kjetilho> actually I don't like the silence of SMF
[10:29:03] <flyingparchment> well, you can make it noisy if you like
[10:29:06] <kjetilho> the OK lines in RedHat are very reassuring, I think :)
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[10:35:10] <karrotx> how do you cat a device?
[10:35:17] <karrotx> cat /dev/device > /llama.iso?
[10:35:26] <WickedWicky> dd
[10:35:29] <flyingparchment> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso
[10:35:36] <WickedWicky> dd if=/dev/device bs=512 of=/dev/file.iso
[10:35:38] <flyingparchment> might need bs=512 or bs=1024
[10:36:45] <renihs> takes default bs if not given (512)
[10:37:07] <renihs> i wouldnt use bs=512...unless you have time or have reason to believe the media is corrupt
[10:37:08] <renihs> :p
[10:37:25] <renihs> using cat is cooler though :p
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[10:43:57] <kjetilho> most devices don't care about blocksize, so keep it huge (a mebibyte or more)
[10:44:20] <kjetilho> (old) tape drives are pickier, though, and it can vary with how the tape was written
[10:44:58] <renihs> ya i would increase bs to around 5M to at least...for a cd/dvd
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[10:49:44] <usr_entrewebs> hi
[10:50:08] <usr_entrewebs> someone here does anyone try to virtualizate opensolaris 10 with wmware?
[10:52:00] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: why try ? usually it works... :-)
[10:52:31] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: I am running Solaris 11/B61 in VMware workstation without any problems
[10:53:00] <usr_entrewebs> nrubsig, I try to do it but after appear the GRUB sceen with different options
[10:53:19] <usr_entrewebs> I select one and after some minutes the wmware stops
[10:53:21] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: ?!
[10:53:27] <nrubsig> mhhh
[10:53:36] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: which version of solaris 10 do you have ?
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[10:53:50] <timsf> Morning all
[10:53:52] <usr_entrewebs> nrubsig, 6/06
[10:54:15] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: which version of VMware do you use ?
[10:54:28] <Pietro_S> renihs: cat should not to work, because on that device can be ctrl^d and others control statement ...
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[10:54:42] <usr_entrewebs> nrubsig, 6.01
[10:54:45] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: e.g. Menu "Help/About..."
[10:55:04] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: which build ?
[10:55:16] <renihs> hmm Pietro_S however i cat quit some cd/dvds
[10:55:22] <renihs> cat'ed
[10:55:23] * nrubsig is using VMware workstation 6.0.0 build-45731
[10:55:56] <renihs> nrubsig, make sure to set e1000 has your network card in .vmx
[10:56:04] <renihs> otherwise you get massive packetloss/bad performance
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[10:56:08] <usr_entrewebs> fuck I cant reopen wmware sucks
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[10:56:10] <renihs> not related to your question though :p
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[10:56:34] <renihs> usr_entrewebs, error= you :p
[10:56:53] <nrubsig> renihs: I know that, otherwise anmost nothing network-related would work.
[10:57:10] <renihs> ah it works, but slow
[10:57:17] <nrubsig> usr_entrewebs: what's the host OS ?
[10:57:18] <renihs> and with 30%> packetlos :p
[10:57:23] <usr_entrewebs> nrubsig, XP
[10:57:26] <nrubsig> groan
[10:57:28] <renihs> lol:p
[10:57:34] <nrubsig> crivens
[10:57:43] <renihs> however solaris runs fine in vmware
[10:57:59] <renihs> has to be some other issue, dunno, never tried xp :p
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[10:59:12] <nrubsig> Can anyone please check Gman's cube and kick him if he is dead ?
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[11:08:41] <WickedWicky> HAHA
[11:08:42] <WickedWicky>                         package |      status | details
[11:08:46] <WickedWicky>                        SFEscreen |      PASSED |
[11:08:53] <WickedWicky> real    11m53.11s
[11:08:53] <WickedWicky> user    8m23.74s
[11:08:53] <WickedWicky> sys     2m26.65s
[11:09:00] <WickedWicky> 20 mins to compile screen, w00t
[11:12:37] <renihs> haha
[11:13:13] <renihs> screen: 25 seconds average for 3 merges
[11:13:15] <renihs> :p
[11:13:24] <WickedWicky> lol
[11:13:38] <WickedWicky> this is on my sparcstation 20 that everybody calls useless
[11:13:40] <renihs> but thats a powerfull distcc :p
[11:13:49] <WickedWicky> sure it aint fast, but I can run pkgtool/pkgbuild on it
[11:13:51] <WickedWicky> which is a big +
[11:14:09] <WickedWicky> so I can build sparc packages \o/
[11:15:40] <usr_entrewebs> renihs, now I recive an error can you help me?
[11:15:41] <bobbyz> Someone in here should give you a shell on something faster  :)
[11:15:59] <usr_entrewebs> I have the error on a screemshot
[11:18:44] <moazamraja> what's the latest OS u can run on a SparcStation 20 ?
[11:18:46] <moazamraja> 9?
[11:19:38] <WickedWicky> 9
[11:19:39] <WickedWicky> yep
[11:20:01] <palowoda> Than why are you talking about it on an opensolaris list?
[11:20:02] <WickedWicky> 9 is the latest OS that supports sun4m
[11:20:15] <WickedWicky> palowoda: I see people talk about beer and rakija
[11:20:32] <WickedWicky> and about other non-osol topics, like linux
[11:20:33] <WickedWicky> so
[11:20:34] <WickedWicky> whatever
[11:20:38] <WickedWicky> xcuse me for having fun
[11:20:48] <palowoda> You can still drink beer and use opensolaris.  But not on your machine.
[11:21:28] <usr_entrewebs> someone can help me to fix an error with opensolaris10 and wmware 6?
[11:21:29] <WickedWicky> like I said: whatever
[11:21:32] * WickedWicky will shut up
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[11:39:50] <usr_entrewebs> WickedWicky, can you help me?
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[11:41:06] <WickedWicky> I have no clue about vmware 6 or opensolaris running into it
[11:41:16] <WickedWicky> last time I tried it it just hung during booting the kernel
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[11:45:42] <WickedWicky> word around the campfire has it that the latest ON build (will) run on vmware 6
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[11:46:49] <Tempt> Word 'round the campfire has it that vmware can go die in a fire
[11:46:53] <Tempt> LDOMs ftw.
[11:47:00] <quasi> WickedWicky: I've run s10u3 and similar in vmware 5.5something
[11:47:11] <WickedWicky> s10u3 is not opensolaris
[11:47:17] <WickedWicky> so sshh
[11:47:20] <Tempt> LDOMs+zones = good reason to let vmware by eaten by linux vultures picking over kernel licensing shit
[11:47:22] <quasi> WickedWicky: opensol too
[11:47:36] <quasi> WickedWicky: just couldn't remember which osol release
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[11:48:10] <Tempt> Honestly, vmware is a windows solution for windows problems.
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[11:53:37] <quasi> it did allow me to have a portable jumpstart and cluster adm on my laptop
[11:58:54] <Tempt> So would just running Solaris/OpenSolaris on your laptop.
[12:00:31] <moazamraja> vmware enterprise has some awesome features
[12:00:53] <moazamraja> migration of a running vmware vm to underutilized hardware over the network, with no interruption
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[12:02:58] <trede> vmware is crap.  people forget security aspects. can still steal ssl private keys etc by sniffing the cpu...
[12:04:25] <quasi> Tempt: company policy made that very difficult
[12:04:51] <Tempt> Oh, I thought you worked for Sun
[12:06:05] <quasi> nope
[12:06:16] <Tempt> Aah, well.
[12:06:50] <Tempt> I ended up with two laptops at my last job; keeping the crapshite one they supplied to run the Nortel VPN client
[12:07:01] <Tempt> I wonder if the Solaris one works on 10 yet?
[12:07:47] <quasi> I'm kind of tempted to get another laptop as well instead of this oversized stinkpad
[12:08:00] <quasi> oversized and underpowered
[12:08:37] <Tempt> Get the lifebook
[12:08:38] <quasi> a brand new laptop with 1:45 batterytime is just insane
[12:08:41] <Tempt> P1610 looks good
[12:11:03] <moazamraja> macbook pro ;)
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[12:12:10] <quasi> moazamraja: s/pro//
[12:12:49] <Tempt> ha
[12:12:50] <quasi> moazamraja: until they start putting wheels on them ;)
[12:13:06] <Tempt> Apple. Pay more for your hardware so you can be "cool"
[12:13:20] <Tempt> Don't forget to pay your $300 surcharge for the black edition
[12:13:25] <moazamraja> dude
[12:13:29] <Tempt> Because black plastic costs so much more
[12:13:30] <moazamraja> first, thats for the macbook
[12:13:35] <moazamraja> second, it's not $300
[12:13:38] <moazamraja> it's like $100
[12:13:40] <quasi> Tempt: either macbook or stinkpad
[12:13:44] <moazamraja> and to each their own
[12:13:51] <moazamraja> macbook pro comes in only 1 style
[12:13:58] <quasi> moazamraja: still silly to charge that much more for a bit of color
[12:14:16] <moazamraja> not so silly when ppl are buying them like crazy
[12:14:17] <Tempt> moazamraja: Yeah, it comes in beat-me-up-for-my-laptop-style
[12:14:24] <moazamraja> just like BMW charges more certain colors
[12:14:34] <Tempt> The average Apple user is more stupid than the average Windows user
[12:14:43] <moazamraja> Tempt: now that is dumb.
[12:14:52] <moazamraja> the average windows user is a virus laiden freak.
[12:14:55] <Tempt> The average Apple customer would spend 20% more to get an Apple logo on anything
[12:14:56] <quasi> Tempt: the tosh p1610 sure don't get good reviews
[12:15:03] <moazamraja> Tempt: b.s.
[12:15:05] <Tempt> Who said tosh?
[12:15:26] <moazamraja> anyways, 3am
[12:15:28] <moazamraja> l8rs
[12:15:29] <quasi> Tempt: P1610 - you
[12:15:34] <Tempt> Fujitsu
[12:15:50] <quasi> ah yeah
[12:16:00] <Tempt> You know, the same company that cranks out those SPARC machines
[12:16:09] <quasi> that's what it was - still lousy review
[12:16:19] * Tempt images Fujitsu making a nice lightweight SPARC laptop. Hmm, as if
[12:16:28] <Tempt> What did the review fault it on?
[12:16:33] <WickedWicky> you dont want Fujitsu laptops
[12:16:34] <Tempt> Not enough FPS in Quake4?
[12:16:37] <quasi>   Tiny keyboard and screen; less battery life than comparable systems; can't be configured with a dual-core processor; cheap stylus; lacks a built-in optical drive.
[12:16:46] <WickedWicky> KPN ships them as work laptops
[12:16:51] <WickedWicky> hence why I use my own HP one :P
[12:16:54] <Tempt> It lacks an inbuilt optical drive *because there is no room*
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[12:17:14] <Tempt> I'm using the previous gen, the 1510 right now
[12:17:42] <Tempt> The whole *point* is you get a 900gram laptop that is small and portable
[12:17:53] <WickedWicky> they are light, yes
[12:17:56] <quasi> ah, missed that bit about the weight
[12:18:01] <quasi> very nice
[12:18:03] <Tempt> Not some metallic 15" heavy junker that sets fire to your legs if you put it near your lap
[12:18:10] <Tempt> Birth control laptop
[12:18:18] <Tempt> applies 95 degrees celcius to nuts
[12:18:20] <WickedWicky> it's 17" but I get your point :P
[12:18:45] <WickedWicky> it runs opensolaris like a charm though!
[12:18:53] <WickedWicky> and Vista
[12:18:54] <WickedWicky> :P
[12:19:19] <Tempt> Fujitsu still manufacture in Japan and the quality is lovely.
[12:19:26] <Tempt> None of this second rate Apple crap.
[12:19:35] <Tempt> Built like shit, throw it away after a year.
[12:22:51] <WickedWicky> I thought people bought apples cause they fit nice in their interior
[12:23:02] <WickedWicky> or was it the other way around? the interior fits the apple
[12:24:30] <Tempt> Hah.
[12:24:39] <Tempt> Buy a new house to suit your laptop.
[12:24:57] <WickedWicky> that'd be sick
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[12:27:43] <Gekkko> where does Samsumg manufacture it's overheating pieces of shit?
[12:27:46] <Gekkko> its*
[12:27:49] <Gekkko> their*
[12:28:54] <micken> 15h
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[12:50:19] <usr_entrewebs> someone here does anyone try to virtualizate opensolaris 10 with wmware?
[12:50:36] <trochej> Me?
[12:50:39] <trochej> Some timew ago?
[12:50:50] <trochej> Amd it was Solaris 10
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[12:56:21] <jamesd> usr_entrewebs, i do it...
[12:57:07] <jamesd> has had  solaris 10, solaris express, nexenta, belenix all inside vmware  in the past
[12:57:14] <usr_entrewebs> jamesd, can I send you a screenshot with the error?
[12:57:30] <jamesd> sure but hury, i'm leaving soon
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[13:04:57] <trochej> http://www.flickr.com/photos/trochej/1210083439/
[13:05:13] <jamesd> usr_entrewebs, that is not likely to work since most people as i am are behind a firewall or two
[13:05:39] <usr_entrewebs> jamesd, gime your mail
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[13:06:07] <WickedWicky> jamesd o.O so they allow IRC but no HTTP?
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[13:18:35] <jamesd> i'm about to walk out the door, sorry i wont be able to help..  best to just google the error message, i'm sure someone has hit it before...
[13:19:27] <Tempt> trochej: What's the story with the resistors on your flickr?
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[13:21:42] <trochej> Tempt: These are resistors to test theese: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trochej/462677424/
[13:22:17] <Tempt> Mmm, dee-licious
[13:22:33] <Tempt> Nothing like lead acid batteries for an after-dinner snack.
[13:24:15] <Tempt> Are the solar panels yours?
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[13:40:01] <mbalmer> ola
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[14:04:19] <trochej> Tempt: My employer
[14:04:28] <trochej> Solar panel
[14:05:46] <Tempt> Nice, nice.
[14:06:13] <Tempt> I wouldn't mind some solar infrastructure, however electricity costs haven't climbed here yet to the point where it makes financial sense.
[14:06:42] <renihs> solar panels usually cost more then they produce over lifetime
[14:06:51] <renihs> might have changed meanwhile
[14:07:32] <trochej> renihs: There are rumors of some revolotionary change
[14:07:47] <renihs> organic panels? :p
[14:08:00] <boyd> ... more expensive other power?
[14:08:46] <renihs> i doubt we can ever come as close to efficency as plants do...after billions of years writing the code :p
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[14:09:31] <boyd> You're right, outsourcing to plants (or at least bacteria) is always a possibility
[14:10:03] <renihs> bacteriel chlorophyl doesnt come near the eficency
[14:10:16] <renihs> rhodopsin is highest afaik
[14:10:34] <renihs> they are lacking the electron transport chain
[14:10:42] <renihs> at least not as sophisticated
[14:10:53] <boyd> They only have to be better than photovoltaics to be worth a shot
[14:10:56] <renihs> but producing h2 with bacterias was my idea
[14:11:12] <renihs> my proffessors said thats stupid and not worth realising
[14:11:21] <renihs> technically impossible or something they blabbered
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[14:11:43] <boyd> What about methane
[14:11:44] <boyd> ?
[14:11:47] <renihs> dunno were the "technical" problem would be but bla, they have a doctor
[14:11:55] <renihs> methane is used already
[14:12:24] <renihs> afaik, every water purification system sells the mh4 output :)
[14:12:37] <renihs> putting some bags on cows asses could help too :p
[14:12:40] <Tempt> Wow, 256 colour terminal looks hot -> http://mexico.purplecow.org/tmp/elinks1.png
[14:12:53] <boyd> Now we just need pipes up cow's butts!
[14:13:00] <renihs> ya :p
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[14:13:23] <Tempt> boyd: Err, I'm not sure that is the most sustainable move. Purplecow.org does not approve.
[14:13:28] <renihs> 1kg meat produces around 200 miles co2 output of modern car (compared to mh4)
[14:13:31] <tsoome> nah, some say that humans are producing even more methane..
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[14:13:41] <boyd> Lol... but what about purplecow energy inc?
[14:13:44] <renihs> there are maaaaany cows :p
[14:13:49] <Tempt> Hmmm
[14:13:58] <Tempt> purplecow energy inc.
[14:13:59] <renihs> and they eat vegetarian
[14:14:00] <renihs> :p
[14:14:21] * boyd only eats vegetarian animals
[14:14:23] <Tempt> Aah, cows. So dee-licious.
[14:14:34] <Tempt> boyd: Really? No bacon for you?
[14:14:50] <renihs> he eats meat, just only hermivores
[14:14:57] <boyd> Oh, bacon isn't an animal! It's manna from the gods!
[14:15:04] <renihs> carnivores usually dont taste that good anyway
[14:15:05] <Tempt> Aaah! Of course!
[14:15:15] <Tempt> Even if it was an animal, it'd be a *magical* animal
[14:15:22] <boyd> Yes
[14:15:31] <boyd> that would make other manna, like ham...
[14:15:36] <boyd> and pork...
[14:16:24] <Tempt> Had a nice roast pork the other day.
[14:16:32] <Tempt> Nothing quite like some good cracklin'
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[14:17:15] <Tempt> haha, PDA.
[14:17:27] <Gekkko[PDA]> :o
[14:17:34] <Gekkko[PDA]> irssi!
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[14:22:17] <Tempt> Aah, you got your shell account back.
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[14:22:48] <Gekkko[PDA]> yer
[14:22:49] <Tempt> Sadly, a linux shell though. Perhaps next time ...
[14:22:55] <Gekkko[PDA]> yep
[14:22:56] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol.
[14:23:28] <Gekkko[PDA]> irssi is irssi
[14:24:31] <Tempt> Need to build a custom irssi theme sometime soon.
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[14:26:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> I do too.
[14:27:27] <Tempt> I'd think a PDA theme would be very minimal.
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[14:29:29] <trochej> hmmm
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[14:29:37] <trochej>   	 The product you requested is not available at this time.
[14:29:38] <trochej>   	warning:  	Sol-Express_b88-DVD-x86-SP-G-B
[14:30:06] <jmcp> trochej: duh ... we haven't even opened the gate for snv_88 yet
[14:30:06] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: quite.
[14:30:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> space efficient.
[14:30:28] <Gekkko[PDA]> no indenting, hidden much
[14:30:35] <trochej> jmcp: Im trying to reach sxce 70
[14:30:40] <Gekkko[PDA]> Act next to typing box
[14:30:45] <trochej> Through link on opensolaris.prg
[14:30:48] <jmcp> trochej: has that been released already?
[14:30:55] <trochej>  Latest SXCE 70
[14:30:58] <trochej> topic?
[14:31:03] <jmcp> duh ..
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[14:31:07] * jmcp reads the topic, just for a change
[14:31:17] <trochej> Or are we April fools and I did not notice?
[14:31:28] <trochej> I think it says so since friday?
[14:31:43] <trochej> again, http://www.opensolaris.org/sxce_dvd gives me the same
[14:32:09] <jmcp> that's rather annoying
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[14:32:28] <jmcp> lessee now ... who has access to that
[14:32:32] <trochej> stevel?
[14:32:37] <jmcp> stevel does, and perhaps Mike Kupfer
[14:33:09] <jmcp> neither of whom are online right now
[14:33:12] <trochej> Yuop
[14:33:14] <jmcp> I'll shoot them an email
[14:33:19] <trochej> Ok, I can wait a little longer
[14:33:32] 
[14:33:41] <jmcp> it should be fixed
[14:33:53] <trochej> A question, does new installer in 70 have option for zfs?
[14:35:07] <jmcp> nope
[14:35:40] <jmcp> ok, emailed
[14:35:50] <trochej> thnx
[14:35:57] <jmcp> they're probably asleep right now since it's barely 0530 in their tz
[14:36:04] <jmcp> I should hit the sack too
[14:36:05] <jmcp> gnite
[14:36:09] <boyd> Night
[14:36:23] <trochej> night
[14:36:45] <Gekkko[PDA]> will there ever be zfs support from the installer
[14:36:56] <trochej> Yup
[14:37:05] <Gekkko[PDA]> wheeeeen?
[14:37:07] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:37:13] 
[14:37:23] 
[14:37:24] <trochej> :)
[14:38:35] <Gekkko[PDA]> i'll get you trq
[14:38:40] <Gekkko[PDA]> trochej*
[14:39:12] <trochej> Gekkko[PDA]: What?
[14:39:19] <trochej> coffee?
[14:39:32] <trochej> But please, be quick, I need it now
[14:39:33] <Gekkko[PDA]> no.
[14:39:34] <trochej> :)
[14:39:39] <Gekkko[PDA]> with a fist
[14:39:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:39:54] <trochej> Gekkko[PDA]: ROTFL
[14:40:15] 
[14:40:30] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:40:37] <trochej> Typical male bonding rituals :)
[14:40:40] <Tempt> He'll ask around his class at school
[14:40:48] <trochej> Can we skip to the beer already?
[14:40:55] <trochej> Tempt: :)
[14:41:00] <Tempt> beer++
[14:41:02] <trochej> :)
[14:41:03] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol school.
[14:41:18] <Gekkko[PDA]> It's all lipservice.
[14:41:43] <trochej> I really need to get my military time pictures up at flickr, maybe people will get me more seriously :)
[14:41:54] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:42:17] <renihs> haha
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[14:42:43] <trochej> My friends, in army I found out one thing: when drunk I am unstoppable
[14:42:45] <trochej> :)
[14:43:04] <trochej> Like Linus trashong Theo de Radt
[14:43:17] <trochej> There just no thing to stop me
[14:43:18] <Gekkko[PDA]> *cough*
[14:43:33] <renihs> not a great mentalitiy for the battlefield :p
[14:43:40] <renihs> good honeypot though :p
[14:44:17] <trochej> :)
[14:44:41] 
[14:44:44] <trochej> And wait :)
[14:44:58] <Tempt> Get men drunk and hand them firearms
[14:45:11] <trochej> Naaaahhh
[14:45:15] <trochej> Rubber ducks!
[14:45:16] <trochej> :)
[14:45:22] <trochej> Okay, enough
[14:45:29] <Gekkko[PDA]> 6c
[14:45:34] <trochej> I am going to ask a question and it may be dumb
[14:45:38] <Cyrille> sounds a bit like having dartboards in pubs.
[14:45:56] <Tempt> Cyrille: Hey, I've never seen anyone get seriously injured with a dart in a pub.
[14:46:40] <ket> Tempt: we should arrange a dmonstration
[14:47:01] <trochej> Tempt: You left to early? :)
[14:47:14] <Cyrille> note, he said "seriously"
[14:47:19] <WickedWicky> for those with sound
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[14:47:21] <WickedWicky> http://www.moanmyip.com/
[14:47:52] <WickedWicky> and yes, I have a spare minute at work :P
[14:48:07] <trochej> Cyrille: define seriously. In todays worlds a scratch from broken bottle may be called an open wound
[14:48:09] <Tempt> trochej got it in one.
[14:48:27] <Tempt> So, where's the stupid question?
[14:48:38] 
[14:48:39] <trochej> Ok
[14:48:51] <trochej> There are two systems: thumper and some MCA
[14:49:17] <trochej> there is being done zfs send of snaphot from thumper to MCA
[14:50:04] <trochej> on thumper snaphot shows 210 GB, on MCA 280. Admins of thumper swear that since creation fo snaphot thumper had fs mounted read only
[14:50:12] <trochej> What can be the cause?
[14:51:07] <ket> okay, 70GB is probably a bit more than 'rounding error due to block/segment size' :/
[14:51:13] <trochej> probably
[14:51:15] <Tempt> raidz?
[14:51:29] <ket> oh, good catch, Tempt
[14:51:34] 
[14:51:50] <Gekkko[PDA]> raidzilla
[14:51:53] <Gekkko[PDA]> *rawr*
[14:52:00] <WickedWicky> rawr, a dinosawr
[14:52:07] <Tempt> measuring raidz with df -kh or du is a familiar trap for new players
[14:52:37] <WickedWicky> df tr1x0rez uz
[14:53:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> du, don't use.;
[14:53:13] <WickedWicky> onnv_72                         4917:061411b15f32
[14:53:15] <WickedWicky> hoorah
[14:53:18] <trochej> Tempt: I believe this is the USED from zpool list
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[14:54:35] <Tempt> WickedWicky: Alright, I've had my IP address moaned back to me. I'm ... .... no idea.
[14:54:42] <trochej> :)
[14:54:52] <Tempt> trochej: pastebin it
[14:54:52] <WickedWicky> puts a smile on your face eh
[14:55:02] <trochej> Tempt: Wait, I try to reach the guys :)
[14:55:06] <WickedWicky> mind you, these are the links I get from team leaders who claim to be swamped in work
[14:55:39] <trochej> Khe,m you are lucky. All I got from ppl swamped in work are logs from squid and they only lead to porn.
[14:55:42] <trochej> :/
[14:56:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:56:19] <Gekkko[PDA]> only >.>
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[14:57:20] <Tempt> trochej: Grab the squid tool that displays the contents of the cache as a collage and put it in a public place
[14:57:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:57:50] <Tempt> trochej: Did that in one place and it cured the receptionist of her dildo browsing habit almost instantly.
[14:58:33] <WickedWicky> she should have just asked for a proper shag
[14:58:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:58:58] <Tempt> Don't think there would have been any takers
[14:59:00] <WickedWicky> think localy, screw globaly
[14:59:06] <WickedWicky> that bad eh
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[14:59:22] <Gekkko[PDA]> fugleh
[14:59:35] * WickedWicky has "dating a cute aussie chick" on his wishlist still
[14:59:40] * WickedWicky digs the accent
[14:59:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol.
[14:59:53] <WickedWicky> an aussie and an italian
[14:59:58] <WickedWicky> then I can die happy
[14:59:59] * Tempt sees the potential for an exchange program
[15:00:11] <WickedWicky> haha
[15:00:27] <Gekkko[PDA]> English accents sometimes aggrevate me
[15:00:46] <Gekkko[PDA]> the Yorkshire accent?
[15:02:03] <renihs> geckos are soo cool, i wish i had a gecko update
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[15:02:17] <renihs> sleeping on ceiling is sure funny
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[15:03:29] <Tempt> cue komodo dragon reference
[15:03:46] <trochej> :)
[15:04:40] <Gekkko[PDA]> kodomodo.
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[15:05:26] <emilianOS> Hi, have you installed plone on solaris with unified installer?
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[15:11:38] <ket> Tempt: feh, cue real dragon. :P
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[15:15:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> sleep people :o
[15:16:30] <Daniel3> 9 hours till i go to sleep:)
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[15:20:13] <micken> 24h
[15:20:22] <Gekkko[PDA]> 67!
[15:20:28] <Gekkko[PDA]> hike.
[15:22:02] <Daniel3> Enough time to pick some hardware for the new NAS server here at home:)
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[15:23:30] <Tempt> Terminal too wide
[15:23:36] <Tempt> haha, haven't seen that in a while
[15:23:46] <renihs> too wide?
[15:23:53] <Tempt> older versions of vi
[15:23:56] <renihs> :p
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[15:40:12] <Tempt> anyway, 'night all.
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[15:42:25] <lloy0076> Is it just me or is build 70 of SXCE more fragile than build 69?
[15:42:39] <lloy0076> I just managed to cause myself a hard crash and had to answer questions to fsck.
[15:43:02] <lloy0076> I *think* I pressed ctrl alt back space and lost my OS.
[15:43:22] <tsoome> lol
[15:43:38] <tsoome> perhaps just X ?;)
[15:43:44] <renihs> on X you mean?
[15:43:45] <lloy0076> No, I also have:
[15:44:04] <lloy0076> It was definitely a crash.
[15:44:20] <quasi> mdb -k 0
[15:44:22] <lloy0076> But the most obvious "user initiated" cause of it was a ctrl + alt + something.
[15:44:24] <tsoome> hehe, msgbuf contents?
[15:44:59] <lloy0076> Ok, it didn't complain. But I'm lost in mdb and have no idea what to look for
[15:45:07] <renihs> also where can i get a list of stuff to read out mdb -k (like :::memstats
[15:45:40] <tsoome> there is no guessing, first things first - get msgbuf and stacktrace
[15:46:06] <quasi> renihs: in the mdb doc on docs.sun.com
[15:46:21] <lloy0076> ::status says:
[15:46:22] <lloy0076> panic message:
[15:46:23] <lloy0076> BAD TRAP: type=e (#pf Page fault) rp=ffffff00088c73a0 addr=0 occurred in module
[15:46:23] <lloy0076> "conskbd" due to a NULL pointer dereference
[15:46:32] <lloy0076> (does that mean something to someone?)
[15:46:48] <renihs> kbd? :p
[15:46:53] <WickedWicky> "An unexpected error occured, this shouldnt happen"
[15:47:08] <seanmcg> echo "::status; ::msgbuf; ::cpuinfo" | mdb -k 0
[15:47:10] <renihs> quasi, hmm sunsolve was offline when i wanted to play with it...good point though
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[15:47:36] <quasi> renihs: I was just reading through it yesterday
[15:47:52] <lloy0076> http://www.pastebin.ca/667939
[15:48:01] <lloy0076> That only contains the ::msgbuf
[15:48:16] <quasi> renihs: you could ::dcmds
[15:48:21] <renihs> quasi, will be readin now :p
[15:48:36] <renihs> cool
[15:48:58] <lloy0076> This contains ::status - http://www.pastebin.ca/667940
[15:49:05] <lloy0076> I don't know what to make of those figures too much.
[15:49:45] <quasi> lloy0076: I think you can do something like: ffffff00088c73a0::whatis
[15:50:09] <lloy0076> > ffffff00088c73a0::whatis
[15:50:10] <lloy0076> ffffff00088c73a0 is in thread ffffff00088c7c80's stack
[15:50:23] <ket> ... oh boy, you don't wanna know what it means to me..
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[15:50:52] <trochej> What, what?
[15:50:54] <trochej> A hot date?
[15:51:07] <quasi> lloy0076: so obviously you want to ffffff00088c7c80::whatis
[15:51:27] <lloy0076> Ah, that asks what the memory address is/belongs to...
[15:51:42] <quasi> supposedly
[15:51:47] <lloy0076> > ffffff00088c7c80::whatis
[15:51:47] <lloy0076> ffffff00088c7c80 is ffffff00088c7c80+0, allocated as a thread structure
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[15:52:24] <jfndi> ffffff00088c7c80::findstack ?
[15:53:21] <lloy0076> jfndi: That gave http://www.pastebin.ca/667944
[15:53:23] <quasi> or just plain $C
[15:53:26] <lloy0076> It's a bit longish.
[15:53:57] <lloy0076> And plain $C gives http://www.pastebin.ca/667945
[15:54:35] <quasi> which is pretty much the same
[15:55:06] <lloy0076> Not that I know *much* but I surmise it carked it because of something to do with the keyboard which is a USB one and a trap of some sort.
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[15:57:26] <jfndi> fffffffece0f8b60::print -t conskbd_pending_msg_t ?
[15:58:28] <lloy0076> http://www.pastebin.ca/667948
[15:59:14] <lloy0076> (a dump of a structure)
[16:03:04] <jfndi> The structure is not in cause. I was wrong.
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[16:04:41] <lloy0076> That's ok.
[16:05:28] <lloy0076> The cause feels like the ctrl+backspace bug without alt still reboots X bug, but I'm not sure.
[16:05:40] <lloy0076> And I really don't know exactly how to reproduce how I did it.
[16:06:06] <lloy0076> I literally pressed backspace, probably alt and one of those keys and got a fast shutdown.
[16:06:33] <lloy0076> A "real shutdown" (i.e. init 6) is annoying slow on my machine so I can tell the diff.
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[16:06:41] <lloy0076> err, init 5 even
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[16:11:21] <jfndi> I think that the problem could come from conskbd_msg_queue beeing NULL. Why is a good question :-).
[16:13:13] <jfndi> For ref: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/conskbd.c#2394
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[16:18:29] <lloy0076> jfndi: Indeed. The only way I can think of making it so is to meticulously "scientifically mash" the keyboard until it happens again.
[16:19:01] <lloy0076> (i.e. slowly and knowingly press keys until you get a crash and repeat until you sure it does crash)
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[16:22:01] <coffman> hey there
[16:22:09] <coffman> so, where is the respin, hm?
[16:22:42] <lloy0076> The respin?
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[16:25:35] <WickedWicky> coolies
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[16:26:06] <WickedWicky> my server is no more, it has ceased to be, E's expired and gone to meet its maker. E's a stiff Betreft of life e' rest in peace
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[16:27:53] <WickedWicky> Critical temperature shutdowns are not cool
[16:29:28] <lloy0076> lol
[16:29:49] <lloy0076> We're the Opensolaris channel of doom!!!
[16:31:38] <ket> maybe i should just migrate production to opensolaris.
[16:31:53] <ket> given every damn time i follow sun's instructions, the instructions -don't work-.
[16:33:09] <fluffle> random question: does anyone here know of anyhwere on the internet where old versions of solaris may be purchased or otherwise obtained?
[16:33:22] <fluffle> looking for solaris 2.5.1 kinda era
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[16:34:11] <lloy0076> fluffle: Err, sun.com with enough money??
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[16:35:47] <fluffle> lloy0076: sun appear to have purged any mention of solaris other than solaris 10 from their site
[16:36:58] <ket> 'you will upgrade, or you will die.'
[16:37:30] <fluffle> indeed
[16:37:45] <fluffle> only we need to test stuff on old solaris boxen
[16:38:05] <fluffle> just ordered in a pile of ultra 60's to run it on, but actually locating the damn OS is proving challenging
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[16:40:35] <quasi> I think I passed a 2.5 media kit yesterday
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[16:55:28] <axle_512> hmm
[16:55:38] <axle_512> something strange is up when I do this:
[16:55:45] <axle_512> browse to http://www.opensolaris.org/
[16:56:01] <axle_512> go to "Download" under "code"
[16:56:15] <dclarke> and ?
[16:56:18] <axle_512> then click on "Solaris Express Community Edition - DVD: Download"
[16:56:35] <axle_512> fails to find anything to download
[16:56:39] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/docs/OpenSolaris/index.html
[16:57:00] <dclarke> goto there
[16:57:05] <axle_512> ok, thanks
[16:57:11] <axle_512> shouldn't the opensolaris download link be fixed though?
[16:57:17] <dclarke> yes
[16:57:24] <axle_512> ok, just wanted to make sure it was known.
[16:57:31] <dclarke> do you know anyone in Sun that can ?
[16:57:36] <dclarke> I don't
[16:57:37] <axle_512> no :(
[16:57:48] <axle_512> I figured there might be some lurking on here though
[16:58:09] <dclarke> further reason that opensolaris.org needs to be hosted elsewhere
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[16:59:13] <axle_512> yeah, I think I would agree.
[16:59:42] <axle_512> I don't like having to login before downloading
[16:59:55] <axle_512> hopefully project indiana will fix some of that.
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[17:02:03] <dclarke> or not ...
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[17:02:53] <dclarke> project indiana may rapidly be turning into another behind closed doors type of project where we ( the community people ) don't see much of anything at all until its all wrapped up
[17:03:23] <dclarke> for instance .. the new software package format is not backwards compatible and you can not simply install a SVR4 compliant pkg type software package
[17:03:31] <Berny> has anyone tried out the solaris-xen-bfu archives? anything one should watch out for or take care of before trying to bfu?
[17:03:40] <dclarke> well .. that is a major change I think and there is no way to catch up
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[17:04:58] <trs81> dclarke: they're really changing it? got a link for that?
[17:05:08] <dclarke> nope
[17:05:18] <dclarke> google for Stephan Hahn
[17:05:37] <dclarke> he has a lot to say on a new package format and effort and I think that his blog speaks about it
[17:06:44] <trs81> yep, found it
[17:06:59] <dclarke> http://blogs.sun.com/sch/
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[17:16:18] <steleman> i dont think the new packaging format will be BIC with the old SVR4 packaging
[17:16:55] <dclarke> no .. it won't
[17:17:01] <dclarke> I have been looking into that
[17:17:07] <dclarke> but there will be conversion tools
[17:17:13] <dclarke> so I'm told ..
[17:17:46] <dclarke> someone held up a piece of cardboard with a crayon drawing on it and poited at it and said "see? conversion tools here"
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[17:21:46] <hile_> any jumpstart gurus around?
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[17:26:17] <dclarke> hardly a guru .. but I can help .. maybe
[17:26:35] <hile_> Ok
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[17:26:56] <hile_> Is there some keyword I can put in my profile for one box to make it NOT update the boot device in the eeprom?
[17:27:29] <hile_> (dual personality box, when it's booted off the internal disks, it runs s10uX; when it boots off a SAN LUN, it's running other version(s) of solaris)
[17:27:59] <hile_> so when I JS those "other" LUNs, i don't want it fucking with the boot devices at OB
[17:28:02] <hile_> OBP
[17:28:13] <dclarke> ah .. indeed
[17:28:18] <dclarke> I understand fully
[17:28:21] <dclarke> and have no clue yet
[17:28:24] <dclarke> yet
[17:28:29] <dclarke> I have to go out .. back in a bit
[17:28:31] <hile_> where the hell is Rich when I need him?
[17:28:33] <hile_> ;)
[17:28:36] <dclarke> I may be able to help whern I get back
[17:28:43] <dclarke> which Rich ?
[17:28:46] <hile_> Teer :)
[17:28:54] <hile_> he's the one I run to when I have a total WTF situation :)
[17:28:59] <dclarke> ah .. he just got snagged by a new startup
[17:29:13] <dclarke> a company doing embedded system work
[17:29:16] <hile_> oh cool
[17:29:25] <dclarke> and they found him and he knows how to program down to the wire
[17:29:25] <hile_> I hadn't talked to him in a couple months
[17:29:31] <dclarke> so .. they snagged him $$$
[17:29:42] <dclarke> we were on the phone .. tw odays ago or so
[17:29:50] <dclarke> I was his job reference
[17:29:59] <hile_> i should give him a call one of these days
[17:30:01] <dclarke> I told them that he is a drunken pervert that farts a lot
[17:30:07] <hile_> LOL
[17:30:12] <dclarke> they hired him right away of course
[17:30:19] <hile_> tee-totaler that he is :)
[17:30:27] <dclarke> yeah ...
[17:30:38] <hile_> though he has said he owes me a few drinks when I can finally drag my ass to kelowna
[17:30:49] <dclarke> hrmm me too
[17:31:00] <dclarke> I have a standiolicy at his house he says
[17:31:14] <dclarke> what he didnt tell me was that its the door to the storm cellar
[17:31:31] <dclarke> standing open door policy
[17:31:37] <hile_> hahaha
[17:33:28] <sfire||mouse> and once you're in, it closes ( with a lock )?
[17:34:08] <dclarke> actually that is where he keeps a still
[17:36:49] <dclarke> back in a while .. gotta go get parts for a vacuum cleaner
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[18:16:56] <Berny> is there any wierd behaviour to expect when I bfu from sxce69 down to xen-nv66?
[18:17:21] <wesolows> backward bfu is not supported
[18:17:31] <Berny> bugger
[18:17:34] <wesolows> (well, not that bfu is "supported" at all)
[18:18:00] <wesolows> it sometimes works if there are no important changes between the two
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[18:18:18] <wesolows> but you wouldn't want to do it on something you care about without making real sure it'll work
[18:18:41] <Berny> so in other words... if i wanted to try xen i'd better do an install from the xen-dvd?
[18:19:15] <Berny> or i'd pull the sourcetree and see if the provided patch works on the last source tree?
[18:20:21] <Berny> and then walk through my first run of nightly?
[18:20:23] <sstallion> Berny: youre probably just setting yourself up for heartache
[18:20:39] <sstallion> start with the xen dist first... thats probably the easiest/best way to get started
[18:21:09] <Berny> na wanted to try an bfu for long time ;-)
[18:21:15] <sstallion> well
[18:21:33] <sstallion> like wesolows said, bfu is for moving up in revisions, not below
[18:21:47] <sstallion> and bfu's are ugly... i think the last bfu i did was around the 30's
[18:22:27] <sstallion> for my osol builds, i just use vmware now, and keep everything portable on nfs etc. so i can just build another vm when a new build comes out im interested in
[18:22:51] <Berny> yeah but i wouldn't want to step back to nv66 if i have the possibility to stay with a recent build
[18:23:19] <sstallion> well, the odds of that patch working between 66 and 69 are questionable
[18:23:30] <sstallion> it just depends on if anything has changed between the two
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[18:24:08] <sstallion> personally, im not interested in sorting patch conflicts just to read a newer version of ON
[18:24:17] <sstallion> s/read/use/
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[19:00:18] <CIA-16> petede: 6464843 metaset -s <setname> -C purge should work on oban sets, 6560809 SVM modules should not use SCCS keywords in user-visible strings
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[19:05:22] <BatonT> mm gotta hate doing 17h+ days
[19:05:38] <BatonT> at work that is
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[19:06:04] <micken> 29h
[19:07:03] <idnar> a 29h day must be quite something
[19:07:04] <BatonT> eer?
[19:07:09] <BatonT> yeah
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[19:07:41] <micken> mu install ha been running for 29h
[19:07:42] <micken> my
[19:07:51] <micken> baah
[19:07:57] <MooingLemur> I've had 29h days before
[19:08:11] <MooingLemur> crossing the atlantic
[19:08:13] <micken> "Completing post install setup..."
[19:08:25] <BatonT> yeah im sure ive had a couple that long..
[19:08:57] <BatonT> tonight i had to go into work to make a 'dns change' 7h later...  i left
[19:09:12] <BatonT> this was after id worked more than a full day
[19:09:56] <BatonT> the joys of working at an outsourcing company...
[19:11:03] <BatonT> time to sleep!
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[19:16:35] <ruchir> hello everyone
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[19:24:41] <pjd-> On solaris can one create directory in .zfs/snapshot/ directory which is equivalent of taking a snapshot?
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[19:30:22] <sommerfeld> no, that directory is currently read-only
[19:30:34] <sommerfeld> you have to use zfs snapshot to create a snapshot
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[19:43:54] <trygvis> evenin'
[19:44:50] <dclarke> afternoon
[19:45:54] <palowoda> morn'en
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[19:47:55] <dwc-> haha, g'bye SUNW
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[19:48:18] <ket> crashing again?
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[19:48:35] <dwc-> now everything really will be named java
[19:48:38] <ket> holy HELL, SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT :D
[19:49:22] <bubbva> dwc- what do you mean "now", that's so old news ;-)
[19:49:40] <palowoda> Oh crap your kidding.
[19:50:00] <bubbva> someone a couple years back made a Sun product naming tool (random), but always included words like Java and System ;-)
[19:50:09] <dwc-> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/java_is_everywhere
[19:50:13] <dwc-> for those who haven't seen it yet
[19:50:39] <pjd-> sommerfeld: I saw in the code that snapshot directory provides vnode mkdir method and I thought for this purpose.
[19:51:19] <bubbva> wow, I didn't realize they used the product randomizer for stock symbol naming, too...
[19:52:25] <idnar> eek java!
[19:52:26] <idnar> ;)
[19:52:44] <palowoda> Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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[19:53:59] <Ljuvefreya> just for the record, I've downloaded Opensolaris and I'm going to install it, but I was a bit quick and closed the download page. Now I got 3 binary files I need to combine into one ISO. What's the command to do that? O:-)
[19:54:11] <Ljuvefreya> I'm in OS X, using bash
[19:54:39] <Ljuvefreya> in Windows world I'd use copy /b fileN+y target.iso
[19:54:56] <gdamore> so now, all packages have to be renamed to "JAVAxxx" from "SUNWxxxx" :-(
[19:54:57] <dwc-> cat foo1 foo2 foo3 > foo4
[19:55:02] <Ljuvefreya> thanks :)
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[19:56:22] <steleman> wtf ?
[19:56:32] <dwc-> JAVAjvrt
[19:57:03] <palowoda> So how's braindead idea was it?
[19:57:51] <palowoda> who's
[19:58:29] <palowoda> Or nobody wants their name associated with it.
[19:58:32] <dwc-> I always thought it was funny that the java 1.4 stuff was SUNWj3...
[19:58:53] <dwc-> 4 I could see, 2 I could see, but .. 3?
[19:59:14] <vmlemon> Hmm, I've only been idling here, but they could have easilly changed it to SOLR, or something like that
[20:00:17] <CIA-16> muffin: 6576308 genmsg uses SCCS keywords in its version message., 6591906 buffer overflow in genmsg(1), 6594430 genmsg should export yy* global variables to libl
[20:00:52] <ket> okay, so here's one for folks.
[20:01:18] <Ljuvefreya> is opensolaris 64bit?
[20:01:29] <ket> i need to boot net a v890. i need to do it on -not- eri0. i cannot set a devalias because it will freak out what's going back on the system.
[20:01:45] <ket> so, how the heck do you spec which network device to use for 'net' instead of eri0?
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[20:03:50] <sommerfeld> ket: it's possible -- i've booted over an add-on ce card.  give me a sec to see if I can remember how.
[20:04:43] <micken> "Completing post install setup..."
[20:04:47] <micken> what does it do ?
[20:04:50] <ket> sommerfeld: same problem i'm having; i know it can be done, i just can't recall how :(
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[20:05:58] <e^ipi> Ljuvefreya: the parts that need to be, yeah
[20:05:59] <Triskelios> Ljuvefreya: of course. AMD64 and SPARC
[20:06:12] <dwc-> boot /pci@.... - install ?
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[20:06:35] <sommerfeld> dwc: it's some form of that.  i don't have a sacrifical v880 plugged in but I figured out what /pci@... from OBP
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[20:07:16] <ket> dwc-: that was it.
[20:07:18] <ket> i was missing the leading /
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[20:09:51] <ket> i decided it would be more expedient to give our netadmin a heart attack anyways ;)
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[20:11:26] <seanmcg> dwc-: does devalias show any other nics having an alias ?
[20:12:31] <dwc-> on his system? beats me
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[20:13:35] <ket> seanmcg: 'course not. can't alias any.
[20:13:55] <sommerfeld> watch-net-all will walk through the list of network devices OBP found
[20:13:59] <ket> have some godawful software on this thing. unfortunately eri came up first of course..
[20:14:10] <ket> pci@9,700000/pci@2/network@0 <-- wrong way
[20:15:25] <Ljuvefreya> dwc-: thank you for the help, that worked fine :)
[20:15:39] <Ljuvefreya> Triskelios: and EMT64?
[20:16:14] <Ljuvefreya> hmm, it wanted 20Gb of disk :-p
[20:16:22] <seanmcg> dwc-: oops..
[20:16:27] <Triskelios> Ljuvefreya: EM64T is basically a clone of AMD64
[20:16:45] <Ljuvefreya> oki :)
[20:16:48] <seanmcg> ket: thought maybe there'd already be another alias.. net1 or the like
[20:16:55] <Ljuvefreya> the OpenSolaris installer is way nicer than Solaris'
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[20:17:15] <ket> seanmcg: no such luck.
[20:17:20] <ket> hrm. also, it doesn't work. :
[20:17:30] <Triskelios> Ljuvefreya: that's Solaris Express DE. that installer is still missing partitioning tools and some other stuff
[20:17:36] <ket> ah, wait, there it goes.. forgot these are the STUPID gigEs that autoneg slow.
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[20:18:00] <Ljuvefreya> I've had tremendously poor experience installing Redhat in other languages than english. I notice OpenSolaris offers Swedish. Would it be installation suicide to choose swedish in the installer language menu?
[20:18:10] <sommerfeld> s/autoneg slow/power on with carrier off/
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[20:18:23] <ket> sommerfeld: oh, carrier's hot. they insist on a full bus reset.
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[20:19:08] <Triskelios> Ljuvefreya: I'm not sure the translations should be decent for the old installer, but I don't know if it has been completed for the new one (it's just released a few days ago)
[20:19:14] <Triskelios> err
[20:19:15] <ket> oh what the HELL.
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[20:19:40] <ket>  /sbin/install-discovery: /etc/vfstab: cannot create
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[20:20:29] <Triskelios> Ljuvefreya: typo,  I meant: "I'm not sure" as a seperate sentence
[20:20:35] <micken> Ljuvefreya: I used the Swedish installer with the latest sparc edition , but that was with the text installer, it worked
[20:21:12] <micken> but thats a different thing
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[20:23:03] <Ljuvefreya> wow
[20:23:27] <micken> 28h
[20:23:35] <Ljuvefreya> in the installer, at the "Create user account for yourself" prompt, you get a once only shot at setting the name. If you tab to next, the field becomes read only
[20:23:37] <micken> maybe I should just turn it of :)
[20:23:48] <micken> off
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[20:35:12] <micken> I'l give the installation 12 more hours , then I start all over
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[20:37:40] <Ljuvefreya> the installer for Opensolaris feels kind of buggy. Would I be better off learning Solaris in the free commercial version if I'm a total beginner?
[20:37:58] <Ljuvefreya> and then upgrade to Opensolaris when I've learnt the basics?
[20:40:44] <bobbyz> Ljuvefreya: if you're using SXCE 70, my understanding is that the installer in that version is brand new, so it's going to indeed be buggy  :)
[20:40:50] <delewis> no more SUNW :-/
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[20:41:02] <ket> delewis: i know, i gotta start shorting now.
[20:41:18] <Ljuvefreya> but if I survive through it, the result, provided it works, will be ok?
[20:41:21] <ket> schwartz is clearly a devaluation specialist
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[20:42:40] <WickedWicky> Ljuvefreya: I'd advise you to use the "Solaris Express" option when you install, it's the old installer
[20:42:51] <Ljuvefreya> oh
[20:42:54] <Ljuvefreya> that's a bit late now
[20:42:59] <Ljuvefreya> should I rerun the install?
[20:43:03] <WickedWicky> sowwy
[20:43:04] <WickedWicky> nah
[20:43:09] <WickedWicky> if it installs it installs
[20:43:16] <Ljuvefreya> it copies files at least
[20:43:21] <Ljuvefreya> somewhere
[20:43:40] <Ljuvefreya> I went for the developer edition for safety
[20:44:05] <Ljuvefreya> I'm tired of installing some "end user" version of a *NIX only to find out you can barely install anything because it depends on this or that header file ;)
[20:44:23] <e^ipi> ket: he delivered the company back to profit ... *shrug*
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[20:45:48] <ket> e^ipi: yet the stock is still in the crapper
[20:47:09] <Ljuvefreya> this  soda is "unchanged since 1834"... I hope they mean recepie
[20:47:25] <Ljuvefreya> ;)
[20:47:31] <e^ipi> yeah, they should just sell linux on x86 and stop innovating... that'd be a short term fix for low stock prices
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[20:49:36] <ket> e^ipi: innovating. you mean like s10u4?
[20:49:45] <ket> which is how many months late?
[20:50:39] <quasi> ket: not much more than a month
[20:50:47] <quasi> (yet)
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[20:51:09] <ket> quasi: last i heard was 'now scheduled for september.'
[20:51:35] <quasi> original plan was 7/07 and now they're saying early september
[20:52:00] <quasi> so at least a month by the time it gets out
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[20:59:54] <stevel> alanc: roland's bug finally went through :)
[21:01:27] <quasi> so it is official, roland is a bug?
[21:01:44] <sommerfeld> i thought he was some sort of lizard
[21:02:08] <ket> sommerfeld: i am the leezard keeng
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[21:03:34] <Ljuvefreya> there is one thing I'm not sur I get. If root has no home directory on solaris, where then does gui desktop customisation settings go?
[21:03:38] <Ljuvefreya> does it mess up /?
[21:05:27] <onlinebacon> the gui config things are in the user's directory
[21:05:28] <onlinebacon> i think
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[21:06:08] <Ljuvefreya> but root has no user directory :)
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[21:06:31] <onlinebacon> why would you run as root?
[21:06:44] <Ljuvefreya> to create the first user account that is not root?
[21:06:55] <quasi> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/java_is_everywhere makes me want to switch to aix
[21:07:00] <onlinebacon> yeah but why would you customise the gui for root?
[21:07:05] <quasi> or even vms
[21:07:10] <ket> quasi: if that doesn't, using zones in production WILL!
[21:07:27] <ket> quasi: and if THAT doesn't work, trying to get support REALLY will.
[21:07:30] <Ljuvefreya> I don't really want to, but I notice that I picked CDE for root, and logging out and then logging back in, it remember my session
[21:07:31] <quasi> ket: ehrm, no - I like zones
[21:07:42] <ket> quasi: till you actually try to make them do what is advertized.
[21:07:47] <quasi> ket: and I've had no problem getting support
[21:08:07] <ket> 'restore from tape' != support
[21:08:10] <quasi> ket: I've been running zones since the week s10 was released
[21:08:26] <ket> especially since sun != [ibm,hp,dec,WINDOWS NT] and can't BOOT off tape
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[21:09:10] <quasi> ket: http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/03/08/T16_17_05/index.html - I run a pile of zones and am pretty pleased with them
[21:09:21] <quasi> ket: to hell with tapes
[21:10:04] <ket> quasi: yes, who would EVER need to quickly restore a system from easily transportable media stored offsite because the site is [under water,on fire,wrecked by tornado]
[21:10:47] <quasi> ket: not me - I have jet, wanboot and flar for that
[21:11:17] <ket> quasi: hey guess what? disks all gone.
[21:11:20] <ket> quasi: machines too
[21:11:50] <ket> so, hrm, no offsite. and the site is pretty hosed. hard drives don't do so good full of mud. whooops.
[21:11:59] <quasi> ket: so? of course I have those bits in two locations - it is not as if I run low availability
[21:12:10] <quasi> ket: always dual site
[21:12:51] <quasi> seriously - it isn't entirely amateur
[21:12:59] <ket> ah. cheater. :P
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[21:13:26] <nrubsig> !seen jmcp
[21:13:39] <nrubsig> !seen Tpenta
[21:13:51] <palowoda> ksh renamed javash
[21:14:12] <Drone> jmcp is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 23 Aug 2007 12:36 GMT, saying 'gnite'.
[21:14:12] <Drone> Tpenta is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Thu 23 Aug 2007 08:11 GMT, saying 'yes but VERY preoccupied'.
[21:14:15] <nrubsig> palowoda: that would be BeanShell then (and that thing already exists)
[21:14:26] <nrubsig> GmanAFK: ping!
[21:14:45] <stevel> nrubsig: your pam_shell.so bug came in
[21:14:56] <stevel> 6596519
[21:15:04] <nrubsig> stevel: Thanks! :-)
[21:15:08] <palowoda> nrubsig: Sorry was practicing advanced marketing practices.
[21:15:22] <nrubsig> palowoda: you mean SUNW vs. JAVA ?
[21:15:42] <palowoda> JDS or GNOME?
[21:15:43] <nrubsig> palowoda: Glad to see the company is now really getting hijacked by marketing madness
[21:16:04] <nrubsig> palowoda: Jidiot or Jtroll ?
[21:16:05] <ket> nrubsig: revel in the koolaid, man.
[21:16:12] <palowoda> ASP written in JAVA?
[21:16:23] <nrubsig> abdomination!
[21:16:31] <alanc> palowoda: marketing is making us change JDS back to GNOME now though...so confusing whether we want to name everything java or not
[21:16:55] <nrubsig> jalanc!
[21:17:14] * nrubsig looks at jstevel
[21:18:07] <nrubsig> alanc: maybe someone writes a memo that all employees must rename themseves to a name starting with "J[a-z]*" ...
[21:18:23] <trygvis> dclarke: #blastwave ?
[21:18:29] <palowoda> Jindiana
[21:18:31] <ket> alanc: first.last at Java dot Sun.com ?
[21:18:48] <ket> or perhaps just 'JAVA.com'
[21:19:02] <palowoda> Hey Johnathonn has a head start. No fair.
[21:19:39] <palowoda> Maybe Janil. :)
[21:19:44] <nrubsig> palowoda: yeah, and Mr. Jean Janine Jamiston will become head of jmarking jmadness!
[21:20:18] <ket> 1800usaJsun?
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[21:20:51] <nrubsig> phone 666JAVAPORN!
[21:21:06] <ket> 1888forJAVA
[21:21:09] <palowoda> So are there any java royalties involved with Opensolaris?
[21:21:23] <nrubsig> palowoda: I think we have a queen...
[21:21:45] <nrubsig> palowoda: ... but not nothing near the UK royals...
[21:22:09] <palowoda> JavaUltra 8000.
[21:22:30] <palowoda> JavaT2.
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[21:22:49] <nrubsig> JavaUltraMegaTentacleAntiSaddamTerrorFightForFreedomFriesGPLCDDLXL666!
[21:23:03] <palowoda> Java audio controller.
[21:25:49] <nrubsig> palowoda: JavaT800 - I'll be back!
[21:25:57] <nrubsig> oh, wait
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[21:26:10] <nrubsig> T800 was already in use - see Transputer T800
[21:26:17] <sommerfeld> T2000, on the other hand
[21:26:26] <nrubsig> bah
[21:26:48] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: the mankind will win anyway... death to the battlebots!
[21:26:49] <palowoda> Wow you remember the Transputer.
[21:27:03] <nrubsig> palowoda: I have several books around. and manuals
[21:27:20] <mbalmer> remember the atari transputer workstation ... ?
[21:27:39] <Tpenta> wasnt  it atari that bought transputer and shut it down?
[21:27:39] <palowoda> The T800 was an interesting desgin.
[21:27:40] <nrubsig> palowoda: another example of great tech, bad marketing.
[21:27:49] <nrubsig> mbalmer: erm, no
[21:27:50] <palowoda> desgin.
[21:27:56] <nrubsig> Hi!
[21:27:59] <nrubsig> Tpenta: Hi!
[21:28:01] <ket> java enterpri-oh, wait.
[21:28:02] <palowoda> damn can't type this morning.
[21:28:03] <Tpenta> hi roland
[21:28:06] <nrubsig> Tpenta: ----> /msg
[21:28:27] <mbalmer> Tpenta, I don't remember.  I just was responsible for that shit at one point in my life in Switzerland.
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[21:48:49] <palowoda> Tpenta: It was SGS Thomson that really burried it.  Ataria was just another vendor.
[21:48:56] <bigjohnto> when you right click on a the CDE in solaris and you get a menu, where are the files for that menu located? i need to modify that menu?
[21:49:33] <GmanAFK> nrubsig, pong
[21:50:57] <nrubsig> GmanAFK: ---> /msg
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[21:59:48] <bigjohnto> any ideas where the menu would be located?
[22:00:21] <CIA-16> perrin: 6534949 Stale need for range locking comment in zvol.c, 6562988 ZIL replay fails when filesystem is mounted read-only, 6580645 cannot rollback filesystems with unplayed intent log records
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[22:02:43] <Ljuvefreya> ugh
[22:03:24] <Ljuvefreya> my opensolaris installation was a massive fail
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[22:05:28] <nrubsig> Ljuvefreya: did bits leak from the undercarriage ?
[22:05:55] * nrubsig would suggest an oil^H^H^Hbitchange
[22:05:56] <Ljuvefreya> I wasn't sure whether I wanted to install 32 or 64 bit Opensolaris so I picked 32 bit in vmware to be "on the safe side"
[22:07:03] <Ljuvefreya> and Opensolaris happily installed, then it kernel panicked while vmware told me in a dialog box: "You attempt to run a 64 bit guest operating system in a 32 bit virtual machine. Create a new virtual machine as 64 bit and install again. OK"
[22:07:33] <Ljuvefreya> of course this did not happen until its first reboot ;)
[22:08:27] <palowoda> I didn't think VMWare got the 64bit Solaris VM working properly.  Of coarse VMWare may not be interested that much in Opensolaris.
[22:08:46] <Ljuvefreya> vmware runs Solaris excellently in 64 bit
[22:09:03] <Ljuvefreya> but I installed that as 64 bit when I first tried :-p
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[22:09:38] <palowoda> Good than all questions VMWare support can now go ot their lists.
[22:10:17] <nrubsig> palowoda: erm
[22:10:18] <Ljuvefreya> I run vmware fusion on my Mac, and Workstation 6, and Solaris behaves well in both
[22:10:24] <Ljuvefreya> but I have not tried opensolaris until today
[22:10:32] <nrubsig> palowoda: VMware IS intersted in getting OpenSolaris working.
[22:10:51] <nrubsig> palowoda: they actively work on it and fix bugs.
[22:11:06] <palowoda> Sure ok.
[22:11:15] <nrubsig> palowoda: otherwise newer OpenSolaris builds won't be able to run nor would VMware tools work.
[22:11:25] <Ljuvefreya> so, should I run Solaris Express Dev or just Solaris Express now that I have to reinstall anyway ;)
[22:11:46] <palowoda> VMWare just works there is no bugs.
[22:11:58] <Ljuvefreya> I'm as n00b on Solaris as they come and even I managed to install vmware tools on it :-D
[22:11:59] <ket> palowoda: ahahahahahhahahahahahhahahah
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[22:12:03] <dwc-> bigjohnto: ~/.dt/
[22:12:31] <Ljuvefreya> Its a bit amusing that logging in as root in solaris litters / with roots X config stuff
[22:12:57] <dwc-> what's worse is /usr/ucb/vipw hates it if you change / to /root
[22:12:58] <Ljuvefreya> I can symphathise with the idea that you never login as root and delegate
[22:13:08] <nrubsig> Ljuvefreya: this is going to be fixed, too.
[22:13:10] * Tpenta finds it more concerning that folks login to GUIs as root
[22:13:40] <nrubsig> Tpenta: yeah, it allows all the NSA worms in JDS to take over the machines... =:-)
[22:13:45] <Ljuvefreya> Tpenta: but Solaris (not opensolaris) massively directs users in there. Is it to punish them for not being experts "already"? ;)
[22:13:53] * Ljuvefreya used CDE to be safe
[22:13:56] <dwc-> Tpenta: unfortunately, gui tools sometimes need to be run as root when your network is down
[22:14:05] <dwc-> or rather, your network-based directory services
[22:14:17] <palowoda> Lucky the CDE safe mode is going to be removed.
[22:14:23] <Ljuvefreya> webadmin was cool. I only learnt about that now
[22:14:24] <nrubsig> Ljuvefreya: disclaimer: the NSA thing was a joke (and half a pun on a recent fake message send to the commit list)
[22:14:29] <dwc-> but I'm not fond of root logins in any case
[22:14:34] <Ljuvefreya> oic
[22:14:46] <Ljuvefreya> I only logged in as root to create the first user account
[22:15:00] <palowoda> Than delete the root account.
[22:15:01] * Ljuvefreya even runs her XP as normal user
[22:15:05] <Ljuvefreya> thats more masochistic ;)
[22:15:16] <palowoda> So is CDE.
[22:15:29] <Ljuvefreya> that's not comparable
[22:15:39] <Ljuvefreya> CDE is just the windowing system
[22:15:48] <ket> so wait, what? only gnome?
[22:15:49] <palowoda> So to be removed.
[22:15:50] <Ljuvefreya> running Windows XP as normal user means tons of apps don't work
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[22:16:08] <Ljuvefreya> I've chosen not to use those apps instead
[22:16:27] <nrubsig> !seen stephenhahn
[22:16:30] <Drone> I've never seen stephenhahn talk in #opensolaris.
[22:16:35] <palowoda> I use osmosis to communicate to my systems.
[22:16:36] <Ljuvefreya> I know some people love CDE for nostalgic reasons though
[22:16:50] <Ljuvefreya> I have some friends who use xfce on linux just because of that
[22:17:00] <ket> i love things that are stable and work and can be expected to work every time
[22:17:05] <nrubsig> Ljuvefreya: not nostalgic, memory usage of JDS be beyond madness
[22:17:11] <ket> which pretty much nukes jds/gnome from orbit
[22:17:18] <nrubsig> heh
[22:17:43] <ket> 'this one insignificant gnome-only package is corrupt. your window manager will now refuse to start period and just hang there.'
[22:17:51] <Ljuvefreya> so do I want to install Solaris Express Dev or just Solaris Express? :)
[22:17:53] <palowoda> nrubsig: Memory is cheap these days.
[22:18:20] <nrubsig> palowoda: sure, but the Ultra5 only has support for 512MB
[22:18:41] <ket> nrubsig: uh, no it doesn't. unless you maybe mean 512MB per DIMM
[22:18:41] <palowoda> But an Ultra5 is braindead from the start.
[22:18:45] <nrubsig> palowoda: which is almost the memory JDS needs to show a window with the text "not engough memory"
[22:19:07] <ket> palowoda: right
[22:19:20] <palowoda> Hey OpenSolaris strategy is buying Ultra5's on Ebay.
[22:19:34] <nrubsig> ket: I know you can squish 1GB inside an Ultra5, but the low-profile modules are hyper-expensive and costs more than I have for living in a month.
[22:20:00] <ket> nrubsig: i had a very, very early ultra5. when they were $8K base. it had 2GB :P
[22:20:10] <Ljuvefreya> at least in Vista the box can fade in slowly and then waver like a water ripple and then spin around before letting you know you have no chance to run this system ;)
[22:20:11] <nrubsig> erm
[22:20:14] <palowoda> nrubsig: What does 4G of DDR2 at 800mhz feel like?
[22:20:15] <nrubsig> ket: Ultra5 ?
[22:20:18] <ket> nrubsig: and it was STILL slower than a peecee at 475MHz with 'only' 256MB
[22:20:21] <ket> nrubsig: yes, ultra5.
[22:20:26] <ket> nrubsig: ALL of them had 2GB
[22:20:31] <nrubsig> ket: erm
[22:20:39] <nrubsig> ket: I think you mix-up something...
[22:21:08] * Ljuvefreya didn't mean to start a fight
[22:21:24] <ket> nrubsig: no, i don'tl
[22:21:29] <dwc-> if PC133 ECC Sodimms weren't so expensive
[22:21:39] <dwc-> I"d have more than 512mb of ram in the two slots in my machine
[22:21:46] <nrubsig> ket: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/U5/spec.html
[22:21:49] <palowoda> You can't fight over an Ultra5.
[22:21:56] <nrubsig> ket: The maximum was 1GB
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[22:22:12] <ket> nrubsig: nope.
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[22:22:53] <splunk> hey all
[22:23:17] <ket> nrubsig: i had -way- too many of these.
[22:23:29] <nrubsig> ket: prove it, please. All documentation I have says 1GB. And AFAIK the memory controller didn't have more memory lanes for more than 1Gb either.
[22:23:52] <ket> nrubsig: that's because sun realized just how much it SUCKS with 2GB
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[22:23:59] <nrubsig> ket: unless this was an edition with special memory controller and special DIMM slots
[22:24:25] <ket> nrubsig: this was sun going 'we will give you WHATEVER YOU WANT' and very very early u5's.
[22:24:36] <nrubsig> groan
[22:25:05] <ket> nrubsig: these were 'no keyboard, no boot' u5's. pre-obp fix for that
[22:25:23] * nrubsig rolles his eyes
[22:25:25] <splunk> my nick card doenst show my bge0 interface I got it working before with some "plumb" command any ideas?
[22:25:36] <sommerfeld> ifconfig bge0 plumb
[22:25:48] <splunk> ok...
[22:25:51] <ket> nrubsig: *shrug* don't believe me? drop a u5 back to that firmware, drop in 4 512MB DIMMs. your performance will go to absolute shit, but it will boot
[22:26:16] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: sun system handbook says 512MB for U5, 1GB for U10.  which is weird because they U5 and U10 have the same motherboard...
[22:26:39] <ket> sommerfeld: exactly. technically u5/u10 will do 2GB, maybe even 4GB. but the performance is so ATROCIOUS..
[22:27:27] <splunk> ok
[22:28:15] <ket> sommerfeld: and we had a sales rep that would quite literally give us anything we wanted irregardless of sanity or even technical capability.
[22:28:24] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: the U5 is more densely packed. 1GB can be added in an U5 if you switch to low-profile modules
[22:28:45] <palowoda> ket: A sales rep will give you anything for what?
[22:29:02] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: but the discussion is somewhat foobar since I don't have money to even upgrade by U5 to 512MB
[22:29:05] <Ljuvefreya> $$$ ;)
[22:29:08] <splunk> i don't know why my system is so freakin slow
[22:29:17] <splunk> ever since I add these external hard drives
[22:29:22] <splunk> I havnt done any system updates to it yet tho
[22:29:23] <ket> palowoda: anything we want, at stupid high prices, because we had a single digit serial number e10k :P
[22:29:30] <ket> palowoda: and the people making purchasing decisions were not technical
[22:29:32] <nrubsig> splunk: maybe you got some of ket's 2GB machines ? =:-)
[22:29:46] <nrubsig> !seen sch
[22:29:48] <Drone> I've never seen sch talk in #opensolaris.
[22:30:16] <Ljuvefreya> I almost read that as "I've never seen such talk in #opensolaris" ;)
[22:30:29] <nrubsig> !seen such
[22:30:29] <palowoda> splunk: Put numbers on slow.
[22:31:00] <stevel> !seen sch0
[22:31:01] <Drone> I've never seen such talk in #opensolaris.
[22:31:04] <Drone> sch0 (sch0!n=sch at 192 dot 18.42.17) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 30 Mar 2007 23:06 GMT, saying 'sensible == ok (!)'.
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[22:31:20] <nrubsig> !seen such
[22:31:31] <Drone> I've never seen such talk in #opensolaris.
[22:31:33] <splunk> how do I point the bge0 interface to a gateway....its not getting ouit anywhere
[22:31:51] <nrubsig> !seen an_troll
[22:32:02] <stevel> splunk: route(1M)
[22:32:18] <nrubsig> Mhhhh, route -66 ...
[22:32:25] <Drone> I've never seen an_troll talk in #opensolaris.
[22:32:32] <nrubsig> heh
[22:32:41] <palowoda> I did route 66 once. It was fun.
[22:32:43] <nrubsig> Drone: nice timing! :-)
[22:32:49] <splunk> wait if it can ping other nodes on the network it should be able to get out...it pulled an addr from the DHCP server
[22:32:52] <Ljuvefreya> !seen divine_talk
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[22:32:58] <Drone> I've never seen divine_talk talk in #opensolaris.
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[22:33:13] <stevel> splunk: depends if it has a default route for going out beyond your network
[22:33:20] <nrubsig> !summon sch0
[22:34:34] <palowoda> nrubsig: Someone should take that command away from your.  You shrivel up and die like a rock.
[22:34:42] <palowoda> s/your/you
[22:35:11] <palowoda> Oh yes :)
[22:35:12] <splunk> DHCP should give it what it needs
[22:35:31] <splunk> i'm on a linux box and it picked up an IP and i'm able to get out just fine unless Solaris needs additional configuring
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[22:36:19] <splunk> how do I see what gateway it has
[22:36:20] <stevel> splunk: what's the output of 'route get default'
[22:36:44] <splunk> ahh it has the gateway listed
[22:36:46] <splunk> so it sees it
[22:36:49] <ket> splunk: linux also makes presumptions
[22:36:56] <splunk> gotta be something else
[22:37:04] <ket> when it doesn't get a DEFROUTER in dhcp it just guesses
[22:37:13] <splunk> possibly a DNS thing...system thinks i'm "local host"
[22:37:18] <palowoda> like the dns name service.
[22:37:21] <splunk> yes
[22:37:28] <palowoda> /etc/nsswitch.conf
[22:37:37] <palowoda> /etc/resolv.conf
[22:37:57] <palowoda> duh that is setup during the solaris install process.
[22:38:09] <splunk> but i named the system splunk-srvr
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[22:38:27] <splunk> can't open resolv.conf
[22:38:32] <palowoda> Oh that is the problem, no system can be named splunk-srvr.
[22:38:40] <splunk> ?
[22:38:46] <wesolows> yeah that hostname is reserved
[22:38:54] <wesolows> by RFC8733
[22:38:59] <palowoda> Sun reserved the splunk name.
[22:39:10] <splunk> so how do I change that?
[22:39:16] <palowoda> Actually Sun marketing did it.
[22:39:32] <splunk> it sees everything on the LAN but doenst get out
[22:39:36] <stevel> splunk: they're just taking the piss
[22:39:37] <palowoda> try 'sys-unconfig' and anser the questions.
[22:39:38] <stevel> ignore them :)
[22:39:44] <splunk> haha
[22:39:45] <splunk> i know
[22:39:57] <wesolows> nice try palowoda, thought we had him there
[22:40:23] <splunk> monitor went black
[22:40:33] <palowoda> It's working than.
[22:40:44] <Ljuvefreya> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
[22:40:53] <splunk> now its rebooting
[22:41:03] <palowoda> Oh now your in trouble.
[22:41:17] <wesolows> actually that's exactly what should happen, no?
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[22:41:47] <Ljuvefreya> sys-unconfig shuts down and then lets you configure networking. It's what Sun vendors run before shipping the systems off
[22:41:55] <Ljuvefreya> its like sysprep on Windows machines :-p
[22:42:30] <splunk> hostname:unknown now
[22:42:43] <palowoda> Don't name it splunk anything.
[22:42:50] <splunk> i left it alone
[22:43:03] <palowoda> Thank God you have an unknown system now.
[22:43:10] <splunk> hha
[22:43:25] <splunk> fuck why is it reconfiguring everything I don't have to reinstall eveyrthing will I ?
[22:43:41] <palowoda> Practice makes perfect.
[22:43:43] <splunk> ok
[22:43:52] <palowoda> You have time.
[22:43:57] <splunk> no i don't
[22:44:10] <splunk> now it says Configuring network interface addresses : bge0
[22:44:14] <palowoda> Why scheduled to die today?
[22:45:55] <splunk> ok thats done now its rebooting hoping it goes back to normal
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[22:48:30] <splunk> IT WORKED!!!
[22:48:31] <splunk> swweet
[22:50:06] <splunk> hmmmm now i have to push updates
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[22:50:25] <palowoda> opensolaris doesn't have updates.
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[22:51:05] <sickness> an entire liveupgrade every 2 weeks is more than enough for me :P
[22:51:08] <wesolows> nor does SX
[22:51:30] <palowoda> wesolows: I stand corrected.
[22:51:52] <palowoda> sickness: Do something normal like use opensolaris.
[22:52:01] <sickness> ?
[22:52:10] <wesolows> argh
[22:52:28] <palowoda> argh: what
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[22:52:58] <palowoda> liveupgrade doesn't take that much time does it?
[22:53:11] <Ljuvefreya> at least you were nicer to me, or was I the final straw? ;)
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[22:54:49] <splunk> tryingf to figure out how ti initate it
[22:54:49] <palowoda> Something is wrong with me.
[22:56:13] <palowoda> splunk: What the hostname or the ethernet config?
[22:56:28] <splunk> everything
[22:56:29] <splunk> i can get out
[22:56:38] <splunk> now i'm trying to find out how to update my system
[22:56:50] <palowoda> What version are you running?
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[22:57:05] <splunk> 10
[22:57:10] <palowoda> Why?
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[22:58:53] <palowoda> You have phone support for Solaris 10?
[23:00:18] <CIA-16> rica: 6591817 possible problems installing snv_71 with pam.conf and SUNWtsu, 6592268 SUNWts* packages are missing depend file or had incorrect depend file in snv_71., 6593274 remove unused CAS scripts from SUNWts* packaging
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[23:08:54] <asyd> \_o<
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[23:09:31] <asyd> this evening, I had passed an interview for a young sysadmin, he even doesn't know what is a troll
[23:12:10] <quasi> asyd: sounds very inexperienced
[23:12:49] <mbalmer> asyd, are you looking for trolls?
[23:12:52] <kalou> sounds spontaneous
[23:12:57] <wesolows> not sure why it matters, really
[23:13:08] <wesolows> unless you're asking him to administer message boards or whatnot
[23:13:24] <WickedWicky> he's lookinf for an irc admin
[23:13:29] <WickedWicky> hey all, how's it going?
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[23:14:29] <mbalmer> gong bad, bad on my side...
[23:14:38] <WickedWicky> :( sorry to hear
[23:14:49] <mbalmer> but that has nothing to do with opensolaris, but my macmini...
[23:14:56] <WickedWicky> set fire to it
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[23:15:15] <asyd> quasi: well, I won't hire him (for others reasons though)
[23:15:18] <mbalmer> no, ww, I want to use it ;)
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[23:15:52] <emilianOS> Hi, I have a little trouble with crle
[23:16:26] <mbalmer> on macmini?
[23:17:46] <asyd> wesolows: doesn't know what is a troll implies he's not really involved in IT/unix/linux, for me that just mean he's work "alone" w/o mailing list, IRC, forum, news or whatever, which imply (at lest for me) he doesn't follow new techno/whatever
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[23:18:39] <wesolows> yes, but I guess I'd look for that in other ways.  Maybe I'm just not hip enough.
[23:18:44] <mbalmer> why is it so hard to find unix people, been looking for  3 months now
[23:19:01] <wesolows> because Microsoft has paid all the universities to teach their stuff.
[23:19:16] <axisys> this system is not taking my init 0 http://rafb.net/p/9Vw6d462.html
[23:19:21] <axisys> it is solaris 8
[23:19:58] <axisys> any way to find out what is blocking the init 0 ?
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[23:21:05] <quasi> sure, just install opensolaris and use dtrace!
[23:21:09] <asyd> anyway, he was not good, he was not able to tell something about PAM
[23:21:43] <pitty> any idea why a dd between drives root partitions will render the "of" drive label-less and return i/o error?
[23:22:06] <axisys> quasi: heh.. u always have the "answer" don't you? ;-)
[23:22:40] <emilianOS> I forgot the flag -u in crle -u -l /usr/local/lib, and now I cannot start solaris
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[23:23:40] <quasi> axisys: well, ask a silly question, get a silly answer
[23:24:03] <palowoda> emilianOS:  Boot off the cd/dvd and fix the mistake.  Or but single user if you can.
[23:24:13] <axisys> quasi: well system is not taking init 0.. can u help? is it silly really?
[23:24:41] <quasi> axisys: asking about sol 8 in #opensolaris - yeah, silly
[23:24:59] <kalou> does it take init 6 ?
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[23:25:17] <quasi> and how about halt
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[23:25:22] <axisys> kalou: let me try
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[23:26:04] <axisys> kalou: nah..
[23:26:08] <axisys> quasi: let me try
[23:26:26] <WickedWicky> you are root, are you not?
[23:26:29] <axisys> quasi: it took halt
[23:26:34] <axisys> WickedWicky: yep
[23:26:38] <quasi> sure does
[23:27:18] <axisys> quasi: so that should drop it to ok prompt?
[23:27:43] <quasi> axisys: it stops whatever it was doing
[23:28:53] <bigjohnto> what does this error mean pm_cfb_trigger: lbolt not advancing
[23:29:48] <bigjohnto> its a hard hang but what causes it and how can it be resolved?
[23:31:56] <bobbyz> bigjohnto: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;jsessionid=afddd1f418439b448c18df1de4c?bug_id=6246372
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[23:32:46] <bigjohnto> bobbyz yes i saw that, so if there is no work around, i do nothing? even though it happens at random intervals
[23:34:07] <bobbyz> If you're aware there's no workaround then why are you asking for a workaround?  :)  I don't think there's much you can do if it's not fixed yet
[23:34:22] <palowoda> bigjohnto: If it is realated to power management and the framebuffer you might want to try disabling power management (what is svc) to see if the problems goes away at the intervals.
[23:34:59] <palowoda> Though it seems to be related to going in the debugger.
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[23:35:29] <palowoda> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/os/sunpm.c
[23:36:06] <bigjohnto> thanks
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[23:36:42] <bigjohnto> i will give that a try and see what happens thanks palowoda
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[23:40:40] <bigjohnto> palowoda, if has always been working flawlessly before and has just recently been having this issue what else could be causing it?
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[23:44:54] <palowoda> bigjohnto: Have no idea.  Something changed in your environment?
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[23:48:00] <emilianOS> I forgot the flag -u in crle -u -l /usr/local/lib, and now I cannot start solaris
[23:48:06] <emilianOS> How can I fix that?
[23:49:09] <emilianOS> sorry If you already answered it, but I lost the connection
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[23:49:53] <jmcp_> emilianOS: boot failsafe, to start with
[23:50:12] <emilianOS> aha, and then?
[23:50:19] <jmcp_> emilianOS: then I think you'll have to go an remove a file in /var/ld, but I can't recall which one
[23:50:24] <jmcp_> I think it's called ldconfig
[23:50:50] <jmcp_>  /var/ld/ld.config and /var/ld/64/ld.config
[23:50:55] <jmcp_> then sync and reboot
[23:51:16] <jmcp_> fairly sure that is what I did when I stuffed up my ldconfig with crle
[23:51:40] <emilianOS> ok ok, thanks
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[23:54:51] <blueandwhiteg3> hey, new SXCE install.. system gets stuck fetching bootparms from the network and doesn't even get into install... how can I bypass that?
[23:55:27] <palowoda> Use the old method?
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[23:56:22] <WickedWicky> blueandwhiteg3: to be more specific: you can use the old installer by selecting the "Solaris Express" option in grub
[23:56:39] <palowoda> Yes.
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[23:59:34] <palowoda> Maybe they should call it "New OpenSolaris Installer" and "Old OpenSolaris" installer in the menu's.
[23:59:55] <WickedWicky> that'd be more user friendly probably





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