[00:00:04] <elektronkind> the speed of four 2.4Ghz opterons cannot slay the SMF slowness Orc
[00:00:09] <jbk> how's the i18n stuff going?
[00:00:18] <CIA-17> rm160521: 6589962 set sharenfs=on does not work on onnv 0805 build
[00:00:25] <e^ipi> pretty good, it doesn't build in to libc.so.1 befcause of symbol collisions
[00:00:56] <e^ipi> which is an error that doesn't actually bother me that much, because it means that i accidently wrote some code that was already open
[00:01:15] <holcomb> there's something up with that.  i've found a single cpu system goes faster loading the profiles
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[00:02:06] <richlowe> the manifest import isn't really parallelised.
[00:03:41] <sommerfeld> i've speculated for some time that there are some fsyncs or other synchronous I/O in the critical path
[00:03:48] <sommerfeld> but haven't had a chance to measure
[00:04:02] <richlowe> sommerfeld: bustos has some of it written up in a bug I can't currently find.
[00:04:29] <tomww> i think there are each import a separate call to sqllite
[00:05:03] <richlowe> sommerfeld: there's 6470077, which is somewhat of a hack, and 6351623, which has some useful bits in description, and I think more useful stuff in bits I can't see.
[00:07:37] <sommerfeld> looks like all the interesting bits in 6351623 are already in the description
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[00:13:22] <e^ipi> hey alanc
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[00:17:58] <alanc> hello
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[00:20:25] <dclarke> anyone seen s10u4 ?
[00:20:50] <e^ipi> did you check behind the couch?
[00:21:04] * dclarke looks
[00:21:09] <dclarke> just beta ..
[00:22:20] <jbk> evening dclarke
[00:22:35] * dclarke nod
[00:23:34] <alanc> dclarke: it's not done yet
[00:23:51] <alanc> they're respinning s10u4 as we speak
[00:24:23] <dclarke> why ? why the respin ?
[00:24:33] <dclarke> geez .. it looked good to me
[00:24:39] <dclarke> but .. that was just my opinion
[00:24:59] <alanc> you obviously didn't have the platforms that had showstopper issues found in testing
[00:25:11] <dclarke> clearly
[00:25:17] <mjnelson> Because of a single-bit overflow in a driver's dma size field
[00:25:28] <alanc> (but then neither did I, since I just have workstations, not big servers)
[00:26:01] <mjnelson> When using a 16-bit unsigned bit field, you can't assign it the value 2^16
[00:26:14] <mjnelson> without hammering whatever happens to be in the next bit position
[00:26:18] <LeftWing> hah
[00:26:59] <mjnelson> When that's a toggle bit that tells it whether or not to disable cache snooping, and you accidentally turn it on...
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[00:28:43] <alanc> in other words, you'll be glad we took a little longer to get it right, instead of rushing it out the door
[00:28:56] <richlowe> unless you have a masochistic streak.
[00:29:23] <mjnelson> or sadistic; "damn the users, and their puling insistence on data integrity"
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[01:21:43] <Tempt> m00f
[01:21:45] <Tempt> Morning all.
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[01:28:11] <dclarke> has anyone else seen Joomla on Solaris ? http://moonshine.opn4.org/
[01:28:46] <Tempt> That's being run by edwardocallaghan
[01:28:49] <Tempt> He hangs around here sometimes.
[01:28:50] <Tempt> Why?
[01:29:04] <dclarke> just curious if anyone had seen it ..
[01:29:10] <dclarke> looks like a nice cool site
[01:29:20] <bda> alanc: We have a saying at work (coined by our founder, many years ago), in reference to databases: "Hey, sometimes your data just goes bad."
[01:29:48] <bda> We use it to hilarious effect. He was serious. :\
[01:30:18] <dclarke> but ... isn't that true ?
[01:30:38] <dclarke> sometimes data starts smoking .. hanging out with the wrong disks and
[01:30:46] <Tempt> dclarke: I guess there should be a link to blastwave.org there!
[01:30:46] <bda> If you're using MySQL... yes.
[01:30:47] <dclarke> eventually .. next thing you know ..
[01:31:08] <dclarke> Temp : well .. it is a nice build
[01:31:38] <dclarke> now I want to make a single package
[01:31:47] <dclarke> something anyone can just pkg-get -i joomla
[01:31:52] <Tempt> ouch
[01:32:06] <Tempt> C'mon, it's a web application. Anyone who can't install apache probably shouldn't be running it, right?
[01:32:24] <dclarke> ummm .. you would be amazed
[01:32:41] <dclarke> and in order to help grow the Solaris user base it is important to make things like this dead easy
[01:32:42] <Tempt> Amazed? Shocked? Horrified?
[01:33:00] <Tempt> That way they can get pwned and claim Solaris is insecure
[01:33:19] <dclarke> the app make get messed with but Solaris will be fine
[01:33:34] <bda> uh.
[01:33:41] <bda> o rly
[01:33:59] <Tempt> Sure
[01:34:06] <Tempt> Find a way to run everything as root
[01:34:11] <Tempt> Make it a real mess
[01:34:20] <Tempt> (That way you don't have to worry about "permissionz!")
[01:34:27] <bda> Does blastwave Apache chroot itself?
[01:34:38] <dclarke> no ..
[01:34:46] <dclarke> it runs the way its supposed to
[01:34:51] <dclarke> as user nobody
[01:34:57] <dclarke> but you can set another user
[01:35:10] <dclarke> if you want it inside something secure .. simply make a zone
[01:35:21] <dclarke> that joomla site is in a zone at Blastwave
[01:36:16] <bda> uhm.
[01:36:26] <bda> I'm just going to eat my tasty calzone.
[01:36:40] <Tempt> bda: Mmm, calzone. What sort of filling?
[01:36:49] <bda> Pepperoni.
[01:36:52] <bda> First time trying this place.
[01:36:58] <bda> It is pretty freakin' good.
[01:37:10] <bda> Their garlic knots are like fun-sized garlic knots.
[01:37:11] <dclarke> oh .. in that 2case pepperoni and bunny rabbits
[01:37:12] <bda> They're cute.
[01:37:13] <bda> (also tasty)
[01:37:25] <dclarke> pepperoni and stray cats please ..
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[01:39:54] <Tempt> Man.
[01:40:01] <Tempt> I haven't had a good calzone in ages.
[01:40:15] <bda> Living in Philly, I have access to *lots* of good food.
[01:40:26] <bda> As my squishy tummy will testify to.
[01:41:12] <Tempt> Mm.
[01:41:24] <Tempt> Plenty of good food around here, but not much of a calzone scene
[01:41:46] <Tempt> I know one place that does the calzone near here and they're craptastic.
[01:41:51] <bda> We've got everything. :)
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[02:00:17] <CIA-17> haimay: 6482533 Threshold for HW offload via PKCS11 interface
[02:00:18] <CIA-17> eh208807: 6574205 No support for abstract namespace UNIX sockets in lx brand library emulation, 6584784 Symbolic links and access control broken in proc emulation for lx zone, 6586078 Improved linux distribution support for lx brand, 6587018 Per zone brand specific data structure needed
[02:07:17] <Triskelios> nice, maybe it'll fix those annoying issues in lx
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[02:46:18] <e^ipi> haha...
[02:46:28] <e^ipi> i'm building Qt4 here...
[02:46:37] <e^ipi> totally successful compile with studio
[02:46:42] <e^ipi> pukes on itself with gcc
[02:47:18] <Auralis> and then the real fun starts when the programs you want to use don't build with studio ...
[02:48:34] <e^ipi> leave me & my schadenfreude alone
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[02:50:02] <jbk> hehe
[02:50:51] <e^ipi> there ought to be an -xgcc-abi option for studio
[02:51:14] <e^ipi> or alternately, do what intel did with itanic and make a systemwide ABI standard
[02:51:40] <lloy0076> e^ipi: Didnt the itanic sink?
[02:51:52] <e^ipi> lloy0076, i dunno, HP's still pushing it
[02:51:56] <Auralis> they keep pumping the water out
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[03:07:14] <elektronkind> SGI is helping
[03:10:26] <Triskelios> I'm still bitter about the itanic
[03:10:54] <e^ipi> I still want one *shrug*
[03:11:00] * dlg want an itanium
[03:11:11] <e^ipi> unfortunately the used market is pretty dry... nobody bought the things in the first place
[03:11:28] <Auralis> yeah, most got them for free
[03:18:28] <Jondice> yeah, i had a prof once that had one sitting in his office.  he said he had several more that he got for free as well
[03:19:12] <lloy0076> Just a quick question: I presume that Solaris will run Intel Core 2 Duo's in 64 bit mode?
[03:19:13] <dlg> e^ipi: there's sometimes decent machines in europe
[03:19:32] <e^ipi> shipping from europe -> canada is insane
[03:19:34] <Jondice> lloy0076, yep
[03:20:03] <lloy0076> Kewl, because seeing I've blown up my AMD X2 box, I've decided that an Intel Core 2 Quad Core will probably suit me better.
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[03:21:37] <Jondice> i'll be happy when the 8 core xeons are out next year, and more happy if sun makes a workstation system with them
[03:24:26] <Jondice> i'd like to get one so the gf can do her blender work on it
[03:24:34] <Jondice> at least that is the excuse i tell her
[03:24:42] <Auralis> lol
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[03:42:11] <Tempt> A Niagara2 based server would be an ideal renderfarm component
[03:44:20] <dlg> maybe
[03:44:45] <Auralis> with the spec numbers the n2 showed it is. especialy in a smp config
[03:46:14] <Jondice> will it be too expensive to use as a workstation processor?
[03:46:56] <Auralis> it only has pci-e x8 connections afaik
[03:46:57] <Jondice> clearly the niagra1 was not good for it due to lack of floating point capable cores
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[03:48:12] <wesolows> what's wrong with that?  pci-e x8 is extremely useful - atlas, neptune, pandora, etc
[03:48:37] <Jondice> i still think xeons will be the better option come late 2008
[03:48:41] <Auralis> its to slow for a gfx intensive workstation
[03:49:06] <Auralis> x16 has significantly improved performance with heavy duty gfx lifting
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[03:49:34] <wesolows> there's no reason you couldn't make a board that uses those lanes as a x16 though
[03:52:13] <wesolows> it's been brought to my attention that code names are annoying
[03:52:22] <wesolows> atlas == 4xGbE PCI-E
[03:52:32] <wesolows> neptune == 2x10GbE PCI-E
[03:52:39] <richlowe> pandora is the one I haven't seen before.
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[03:52:43] <richlowe> but now found.
[03:52:52] <wesolows> pandora == 2xSAS1x4
[03:53:01] <wesolows> dione is the PCI-X version
[03:53:29] <wesolows> These are all shipping; should be no mystery :-)
[03:54:42] <dlg> pandora is a sun chip or an lsi chip?
[03:54:57] <wesolows> it's an LSI 1068E
[03:55:22] <dlg> good, dont scare me like that
[03:56:12] * wesolows feels sad that a Sun HBA chip would scare someone
[03:56:48] <dlg> i was worried i hadnt heard about it
[03:57:34] <wesolows> that's ok; I've worked with socal.  I'd be scared too.
[03:57:37] <richlowe> I was thinking dlg would jump at another hba.
[03:57:50] <dlg> i would
[03:58:19] <dlg> and doco too
[03:58:46] <dlg> sun could shame every other vendor in that space if they released doco for a sas hba
[03:58:58] <wesolows> true that
[03:58:59] <richlowe> I doubt it'd change anything.
[03:59:16] <richlowe> look at wireless, it's not like ralink and friends have prompted the others to see the light.
[03:59:23] <wesolows> one might hope that a future driver for one of these will be open source, at least
[03:59:35] <wesolows> but I can neither suggest nor deny that such a thing is in the works.
[04:00:09] <richlowe> documentation is as useful, if not more useful.
[04:00:18] <wesolows> I agree completely.
[04:00:18] <richlowe> (of course, both would win)
[04:00:19] <CIA-17> raf: 6590401 fixes for 6418491, 6518780 and 6570016 conspire to break java
[04:00:22] <dlg> documentation is more useful
[04:00:31] <dlg> an open driver is a good reference
[04:00:33] <dlg> but its not the same
[04:00:39] <dlg> both together are fantastic
[04:00:39] <wesolows> I have a copy of mpt.c and the Fusion MPI doc.  Guess which one I read?
[04:00:40] <richlowe> It'd be one happy day if we had documentation up for even most of the things we have code for.
[04:00:48] <dlg> wesolows: the doc
[04:00:53] <wesolows> of course
[04:01:06] <dlg> richlowe: im feeling pretty positive about sun getting some doco up on the web
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[04:02:57] <dlg> wesolows: mpt is a really nice chip though
[04:03:11] <dlg> you can figure a lot of it out just from the mpi headers
[04:03:22] <dlg> after you figure the path for commands on and off the chip
[04:08:34] <jbk> hmm..
[04:08:49] <jbk> any easy way in a script to determine if a file is an ELF object?
[04:09:21] <richlowe> file and grep, or better(?) read the first few bytes and compare and see if they're the right magic.
[04:10:45] <jbk> know of an easy way to do that in a shell script? :)
[04:10:56] <LeftWing> You could probably use od
[04:11:03] <LeftWing> (and grep)
[04:11:04] <jbk> that's what i was just thinking
[04:14:28] <wesolows> if [ "`dd if=$file bs=4 count=1 2>/dev/null`" = "ELF" ]; then echo 'ELF'; fi
[04:14:53] <wesolows> I doubt it's possible to do better.
[04:15:08] * LeftWing agrees.
[04:18:56] <Triskelios> you can compare more than just first 4 bytes with od...
[04:19:21] <jbk> i just need to skip non-binaries
[04:19:32] <wesolows> you don't WANT to compare more than 4 bytes
[04:19:40] <LeftWing> Indeed.
[04:19:41] <wesolows> \x7f E L F is the ELF header
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[04:23:35] <richlowe> if this is for testing dis, it'd be good to have it run against something it shouldn't, in one pass, too.
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[04:27:26] <jbk> dis itself craps out on non-elf objects
[04:28:23] <wesolows> well, that's ok; it just needs to not segv :-)
[04:28:34] <richlowe> hm, I swear I've had it crap out more, uh, interestingly before.
[04:28:38] <wesolows> "not an object file" and status 1 would be fine
[04:28:43] <jbk> well it gives an error
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[05:16:15] <jbk> wow
[05:16:29] <jbk> dis _really, really, really_ doesn't like it if it hits an invalid opcode
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[05:20:11] <sponix> I've got less than 8meg down left for 3 days... quota's suck
[05:24:30] <richlowe> jbk: Yeah, that'd be the mess I've seen running it on innapropriate things.
[05:24:33] <richlowe> it could be I trashed an object, I guess.
[05:24:55] <richlowe> jbk: hey, while you're there, you wanna fix something that's annoying me?
[05:25:00] <jbk> ?
[05:25:05] <richlowe> lemme dig out the diff
[05:25:42] <richlowe> or not.
[05:25:57] <bda> Tease.
[05:26:21] <richlowe> dis_target.c:264
[05:26:52] <jbk> ?
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[05:40:54] <sponix> what are you working on ?
[05:41:58] <Tempt> sponix: Would you like a serving of dee-licious pings to help you spend that 8Mb?
[05:42:19] <sponix> Tempt: OMG NO, can't believe you would even tease
[05:42:28] <sponix> Tempt: you are cruel
[05:42:31] <Tempt> sponix: Couldn't resist the chance to tease
[05:42:54] <sponix> that would suck so bad
[05:43:44] <Tempt> 64k pings
[05:43:54] <Tempt> vroooom
[05:44:08] <Tempt> I'd swear I get more than 8Mb of spam a day
[05:44:09] <sponix> I'm debating getting a 2nd account, but $150 for Net is crazy
[05:44:13] <Tempt> woah
[05:44:14] <Tempt> 150
[05:44:20] <Tempt> woah.
[05:44:35] <sponix> its $75 a Month, 1024MB/512MB Up/Down
[05:44:56] <sponix> I eat that on enterbelladonna.com in the first day or two
[05:45:03] <Tempt> enterbelladonna?
[05:45:06] <Tempt> Is that worksafe? <g>
[05:45:07] <sponix> pr0n
[05:45:11] <sponix> NO
[05:45:28] <sponix> unless you work in a closed office :P
[05:45:29] <Tempt> Is that Belladonna the wild pornstar with the tattoos on her knuckles?
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[05:45:47] <Tempt> That does especially filthy smut?
[05:45:49] <sponix> Tempt: yep
[05:45:59] <sponix> personal favorite
[05:46:12] <Tempt> Heh, gold.
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[05:46:32] <dclarke> curious .. has anyone seen GCC 4.2.1 in the wild yet ?
[05:47:27] <Tempt> In the wild?
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[05:47:33] <Tempt> Lookin' down my rifle at it?
[05:48:07] <sponix> I'm at 2MB down just setting here
[05:48:19] <sponix> think irc needs gz compression !
[05:48:38] <dclarke> okay .. so no one has seen it then .. good enough for me
[05:49:17] <sponix> dclarke: why do you ask ?
[05:50:05] <dclarke> because its real tough to build
[05:50:14] <dclarke> and no one has filed a testsuite report yet
[05:50:19] <dclarke> at least .. not publicly
[05:50:40] <sponix> gcc can be a bitch on any _non_ Linux system, I've noticed
[05:51:07] <sponix> likes to make sure you have a whole stack of other gnu stuff to build it
[05:51:49] <dclarke> I'm getting ready to file my report on it
[05:51:59] <sponix> whats the vote, 4 500G drives tied together for a media share, raidz or raidz2 ?
[05:52:08] <FrostCS> Well, obviously.. Just because I am in a different country, I am not going to change what side of the road I drive on right?
[05:52:10] <dclarke> although I have no other testsuite results to compare to
[05:52:11] <sponix> what error is it spitting ?
[05:52:18] <FrostCS> great gcc minds..
[05:52:36] <dclarke> sponix :  error ?  who? me ?
[05:52:49] <sponix> dclarke: yeah, build error
[05:53:00] <dclarke> sponix :  oh .. none .. it builds
[05:53:10] <dclarke> sponix :  full stage 3 bootstrap
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[05:53:19] <sponix> I couldn't get samba4-tp5 to build the other day for anything
[05:53:22] <dclarke> sponix :  ran the testsuite also and I get .. well
[05:53:30] <richlowe> pastebin, not here.
[05:53:35] * richlowe preempts
[05:53:44] * dclarke balks
[05:53:52] <dclarke> :-)
[05:53:59] <dclarke> well I get stuff
[05:54:00] <sponix> sad part is, gcc normally fails its own test, from what I've seen
[05:54:20] <dclarke> yes .. I have checked with other people that filed reports for GCC 4.2.0
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[05:54:27] <dclarke> no one has results for 4.2.1
[05:54:33] <dclarke> so .. I guess I'll be the first
[05:54:44] <FrostCS> no one has actually built it yet.. ;-p
[05:54:52] <dclarke> I have
[05:54:57] <dclarke> took me forever too
[05:55:27] <FrostCS> I think they are giving away a $500 gift certificate for anyone who can show them a build
[05:55:42] <FrostCS> and they want to know how you do it too.. so they can figure it out, hah
[05:55:42] <sponix> the build itself, or the h4x0r to make it build ?
[05:56:04] <FrostCS> yes :-)
[05:56:10] <sponix> FrostCS: at times I swear gnome is that way, all the freaking deps, trying to find the right order to build them
[05:56:11] <FrostCS> I am just dogging gcc as usual...
[05:56:38] <FrostCS> sponix, that's the best, when someone gives you a folder of deps, and tells you to compile it up
[05:56:57] <sponix> FrostCS: like a puzzle I say
[05:57:04] <sponix> .. I hate puzzles !
[05:57:27] <FrostCS> yea, much easier to pay some 5 year old kid to sit there for 8 hours and figure it out.
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[05:57:46] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/ni1x1p35.html  <-- there is a joke in there if anyone looks for it
[05:57:47] <FrostCS> icecreams are cheap wages.
[05:57:59] <sponix> FrostCS: sad part is, probably a 5 yr old kid that coded it, that didn't take the time to list the deps of their own software
[05:58:08] <FrostCS> heh, if you have to look for it, it just isn't funny though!!
[05:58:17] <sponix> FrostCS: pisses me off when they don't list the deps, shit should be right in the readme.txt or something
[05:58:52] <FrostCS> sponix, people don't seem to understand that a how-to or a decent readme is priceless
[05:58:53] <dclarke> umm .. all the deps are documented
[05:59:10] <dclarke> however one needs to dig a bit to find that info
[05:59:16] <dclarke> its not user friedly
[05:59:18] <FrostCS> dclarke, we are just venting about other things
[05:59:20] <dclarke> user hostile
[05:59:25] <dclarke> oh .. okay
[05:59:32] * dclarke goes back to server farm
[05:59:39] <sponix> dclarke: where do they get documented ?
[05:59:52] <FrostCS> hehe, same topic, just kind of slid off on a tangent :-)
[05:59:53] <dclarke> the debs for GCC ?
[05:59:54] <sponix> is there a _standard _ place ? :P
[06:00:05] <dclarke> no .. not really .. sort of here and there
[06:00:06] <sponix> dclarke: no, _all_ software
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[06:00:18] <dclarke> oh .. well .. in that case
[06:00:19] <sponix> yeah, needs to be a freaking standard DEPS.txt
[06:00:21] <CIA-17> lg150142: PSARC 2007/406 USB device reset, 4904724 client drivers should be able to request a port reset
[06:00:44] <sponix> where are those IEEE fags when ya need em
[06:01:23] <FrostCS> he's off complaining about gcc'ed postgresql being slow I think
[06:01:29] <FrostCS> let's not summon him
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[06:02:27] <jbk> ok this is interesting
[06:02:51] <dclarke> evening Jason
[06:02:52] <FrostCS> penguins not being able to fly, even when you hold a gun to their head?
[06:02:57] <jbk> hello
[06:03:02] <jbk> no
[06:03:06] <jbk> working on the sparc disassembler
[06:03:09] <FrostCS> oh, well then, indeed it is
[06:03:10] <dclarke> I left merecury running
[06:03:13] <FrostCS> ohh
[06:03:29] <dclarke> jbk : how are things coming for you on that ?
[06:03:43] <jbk> well not too bad
[06:03:48] <jbk> actually i'm logged into it right now :)
[06:03:53] <dclarke> wish I had time to help with it
[06:04:02] <jbk> well some of this is just confusing
[06:04:16] <FrostCS> I wish I had some good sauce for these turkey burgers
[06:04:17] <jbk> i didn't think v8 supported the branch prediction instructions
[06:04:18] <dclarke> ha ha ... can I comment on that ?
[06:04:33] <jbk> the v8 architecture manual does not mention them
[06:04:38] <Tempt> Turkey burgers?
[06:04:38] <jbk> i first see it in the v9
[06:04:39] <jbk> yet
[06:04:40] <dclarke> if you ever hit a point where it is all clear to you and you understand it .. be very afraid
[06:04:47] <FrostCS> yea tempt, you know... dieting
[06:04:58] <FrostCS> I have a platter of them here.. well half a platter
[06:04:58] <jbk>  file /usr/bin/apm
[06:04:59] <jbk> /usr/bin/apm: ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC32PLUS Version 1, V8+ Required, dynamically linked, stripped
[06:05:02] <Tempt> I don't think I've ever seen turkey userd for burgers.
[06:05:05] <jbk> and it contains that instruction
[06:05:11] <Tempt> Chicken, yes. Beef, yes. Kangaroo, yes. Turkey, no.
[06:05:14] <FrostCS> tempt, it's actually quite good...
[06:05:17] <jbk> and the closed source disassembler disassembles it
[06:05:20] <dclarke> jbk : branch prediction ?
[06:05:28] <Tempt> Hmm
[06:05:35] <Tempt> Sounds like it'd call for Peri-Peri sauce
[06:05:36] <FrostCS> tempt, much leaner then beef, and without the greasy hands after eating 8 or 10
[06:05:41] <jbk> yes
[06:05:44] <FrostCS> peri-peri?
[06:05:56] <dclarke> jbk : and this is on a v8 target binary ?
[06:06:01] <Tempt> How big are these things?
[06:06:02] <jbk> yes
[06:06:06] <jbk>  /usr/bin/apm
[06:06:10] <FrostCS> bbq is a bit too strong, and ketchup is too sweet.. and tartar is off.. on it..
[06:06:14] <Tempt> 8 or 10 burgers sounds extreme
[06:06:15] * dclarke hears twilight zone music
[06:06:16] <Tempt> peri-peri
[06:06:21] <Tempt> african sauce
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[06:06:28] <Tempt> filled with the goodness of chillis
[06:06:31] <FrostCS> about.. 10cm across
[06:06:36] <FrostCS> ah
[06:06:41] <jbk> dis /usr/bin/apm | grep 'parse_args+0x94'
[06:06:42] <FrostCS> normal size burger
[06:06:46] <dclarke> jbk : would you consider building for the generic or v7 target ?
[06:06:59] <FrostCS> I need to work on filling my hammock you know..
[06:07:11] <jbk> sure, i just need to know which fricking instructions are valid on which architectures :)
[06:07:26] <Tempt> Aah
[06:07:28] <jbk> the library interface has 3 relevant flags:
[06:07:31] <jbk> DIS_SPARC_V8
[06:07:34] <jbk> DIS_SPARC_V9
[06:07:37] <dclarke> jbk : I have a tendency to build tricky stuff for v7 first and then
[06:07:37] <jbk> DIS_SPARC_V9_SGI
[06:07:39] <Tempt> Get some Peri-Peri
[06:07:52] <Tempt> Do you get "Nandos" fast food joints there?
[06:08:05] <FrostCS> no Nandos..
[06:08:33] <FrostCS> I usually don't go in fast-food shops here... I eat a lot, but I can't handle the grease, or oil, or so forth..
[06:08:36] <dclarke> jbk : and I can not even express all of my reasons .. gut feel? but more often than not a tricky thing will build on Sparc v7 clean
[06:08:56] <Tempt> Yes, but Nandos will sell you a bottle of extra-hot periperi
[06:08:59] <FrostCS> every once in a while I do stop in at a taco bell and help myself to a family pack or three.
[06:09:01] <jbk> well it's not a question of building
[06:09:03] <dclarke> jbk : that may make no sense .. but .. it works with Studio 8
[06:09:10] <jbk> the code compiles fine
[06:09:15] <dclarke> jbk : its a qustion of what opcodes are allowed
[06:09:19] <FrostCS> not sure where I'd need to go to find a nandos here.
[06:09:20] <jbk> yeah
[06:09:33] <jbk> checking against bundled libraries
[06:09:37] <dclarke> jbk : oh .. I did understand you .. I was meerely off topic .. sorry
[06:09:44] <jbk> ahh ok
[06:10:46] <dclarke> man o man ... I'm having problems with ssh and scp tonight .. everything stalls after 44K of traffic
[06:11:04] <dclarke> small transactions are easy .. but just try to scp anything large .. and it stalls
[06:11:11] <dclarke> I have no idea what is going on
[06:11:33] <FrostCS> they have an online store I see.
[06:11:58] <dclarke> jbk : well I am glad that you are making progress
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[06:12:15] <jbk> at this point
[06:12:16] <dclarke> jbk : let me know if there is anything infrastructure related you need
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[06:12:34] <dclarke> I have to step away for a bit .. gotta pick up a soccer playing teenager
[06:12:35] <jbk> most of my time is adding in defines to make the output look as close to the closed source as possible (through trial and error)
[06:12:40] <jbk> vs. actual incorrect output
[06:12:59] <dclarke> sounds like hellish hard work
[06:13:00] <jbk> but i think mercury is really all i need in terms of infrastructure
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[06:13:03] <dclarke> I must blog about it
[06:13:04] <jbk> just tedious
[06:13:31] <dclarke> gotta step away .. sorry
[06:14:00] <jbk> np
[06:14:15] <FrostCS> step away from the peecee!
[06:14:38] * dclarke thinks "paaleez .. this is a server"
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[06:15:23] <Tempt> dclarke: MTU / pathmtu issues
[06:15:59] <sponix> well, I'm up to 3MB down, I had better log off for now
[06:16:07] <Tempt> sponix: Ouch. Bye.
[06:16:12] <sponix> nice chatting though
[06:16:45] <sponix> Tempt: If I have the bw for it I'll annoy you with more questions about zfs pools tomorrow :P
[06:16:52] <Tempt> No worries
[06:17:05] <Tempt> Hijack some bandwidth from someone else's open wireless
[06:17:29] <sponix> Tempt: sadly enough, I'm debating that :(
[06:17:36] <sponix> Tempt: its against my nature though
[06:18:45] <FrostCS> it's against nature to have open wirelesses!
[06:19:12] <Tempt> sponix: IRC would use less bandwidth for you if you get a shell account elsewhere and ssh in
[06:20:04] <Gman> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/frosug/frosug-openha-cluster-26072007.mp3
[06:20:14] <Gman> ^ nick solter's recent openha cluster talk at frosug
[06:21:02] <sponix> Tempt: true, I've been searching for a friend to hand shell access over anyway, would let me tunnel to get on from work
[06:21:23] <Tempt> Sadly I just kicked all my shell users.
[06:21:27] <Tempt> Too much effort to maintain it
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[06:22:04] <sponix> Tempt: I would like to dump some into a zone to play with sometime
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[06:22:31] <Tempt> I had my shell users in a zone. Luckily it was rctl'd down
[06:22:34] <Tempt> fscking fork bombs
[06:22:37] <Tempt> make -j 512
[06:22:42] <Tempt> everything else.
[06:22:51] <sponix> fork (;;);
[06:22:52] <Tempt> I just give up. Give people something for nothing and they'll abuse the fsck out of it
[06:22:55] <sponix> yeah, I've seen them
[06:23:14] <Tempt> so I only give shells to people who I know who are local. If they abuse things I can abuse their shit in person.
[06:23:30] <sponix> *Grin*
[06:23:43] <sponix> damn, 3.2Meg .. Gotta run
[06:23:48] <Tempt> ciao
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[06:28:16] <freakazoid0223> metered access sux
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[06:47:13] <jbk> ok enough disassembler for tonight
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[07:00:19] <CIA-17> vikram: PSARC 2007/290 Retire Agent for I/O Devices, 6464720 Deliver a FMA I/O retire agent
[07:03:13] <palowoda> Hmm I didn't know PSARC gave benifits to Agents that work on IO Devices.
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[07:12:58] <palowoda> Hey Triskelios,  I think it was you that mentioned you got the Logitech Pro USB webcam running.  Was this with Ekiga and what build of nevada?
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[07:13:58] <Triskelios> palowoda: yes, it works in all V4L2 compatible programs, even Flash. b66 here. I'm trying a new usbvc to see if the fixes the Xbox Vision crash
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[07:15:47] <palowoda> Hmm I have that exact logitech usb webcam myself and tried it on a b65 and it didn't see the cam.  I'll have to find what trash box I put the webcam in and try it on 69.   But you did test ekiga and it did show the webcam working in that application right?
[07:17:58] <palowoda> I mean ekiga is the standard application that is used with opensolaris to test webcams.
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[07:25:31] <Tempt> sunforum ftw.
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[07:39:50] <Triskelios> palowoda: sorry, did you ask me anything else?
[07:40:37] <Triskelios> (dsl is being a bitch)
[07:41:19] <palowoda> Triskelios: Yes did you specificly test the 'ekiga' application with that logitech webpro usb cam.  I know it should be V4L2 complient but ekiga is a standard part of opensolaris.
[07:41:36] <Triskelios> yes, I used ekiga
[07:41:43] <palowoda> cool
[07:42:26] <delewis> MWM... http://24.176.104.6/~dlewis/mwm1.jpeg
[07:42:30] <palowoda> I have to dig out that usbcam and try it on build 69 now.  It didn't work with build 65 on a number of systems so I hope something was fixed.
[07:42:52] <WickedWicky> good morning
[07:43:07] <Triskelios> was yours actually USB Video Class compatible?
[07:43:30] <delewis> amazing how quickly windows refresh now that JDS is gone.
[07:43:42] <palowoda> It should be the exact webcam that you where using.  That is way I asked.
[07:43:51] <Triskelios> mine actually has a part # Logitech lists as being the older (incompatible model)
[07:44:07] <Triskelios> keep in mind there are like 3 models of this camera
[07:44:18] <palowoda> Hmm is it a 1.3mega-pixel usb cam?
[07:44:25] <Triskelios> all of them are
[07:44:43] <palowoda> With a microphone built in?
[07:44:45] <Triskelios> they have the same product name, different part #s (supposedly)
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[07:45:03] <Triskelios> they're identical except for presumably the firmware
[07:45:38] <Triskelios> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USB_video_class_devices
[07:46:13] <palowoda> I'll dig the cam up later and try it.  I kind of lost it in my box of toys.   Damn thing was about 110.00 when I bought it new.  They are much cheaper now.
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[07:50:19] <Triskelios> if it was marked as "Windows Vista certified" it should be the right thing
[07:51:41] <palowoda> Nah this model was released before Vista.  Little rectangular webcam that clips on the lcd.  Logitech Laptop Pro.  And Logitechs website isn't all that great for finding model numbers.
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[07:52:14] <Triskelios> the model numbers are on a tag on the USB cord
[07:53:00] <Triskelios> http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/logitech_quickcam_for_notebooks_pro_webcam_1.jpg - this yours?
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[07:53:16] <richlowe> yeesh.
[07:53:23] <palowoda> Yep that is it.
[07:53:24] <richlowe> let's see if mjnelson agrees with me now. ;)
[07:53:46] <richlowe> especially since if that's bogus, so is everything that was putback after it.
[07:54:17] <Triskelios> palowoda: okay, so it has a 50% chance of being the right one (there's an older one that looks different, and a non-uvc model that is hardware identical)
[07:55:31] <Triskelios> anyway I'll try the Xbox Live Vision again in a moment (really the cheapest UVC camera you can get these days)
[08:00:15] <CIA-17> mjnelson: backout 6574205/6584784/6586078/6587018: breaks build
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[08:17:53] <EchoBinary> will sharemgr set up a SMB share? or do i have to configure that in smb.conf somewhere?
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[08:21:14] <jmcp> EchoBinary: in /etc/sfw/smb.conf
[08:21:28] <EchoBinary> cool :)
[08:21:30] <EchoBinary> thanks
[08:22:28] <jmcp> i think sharemgr is just for nfs "shares"
[08:22:35] <jmcp> the manpage will tell you for sure though
[08:22:39] * jmcp crawls back under his rock
[08:22:42] <EchoBinary> i had thought that
[08:22:44] <palowoda> Triskelios:  Hot damn it works.  The biggest problem was finding it, now my office is a mess. :)   At least it works as root so I can test it now.
[08:23:05] <EchoBinary> but i was confused by the -P proto  switch you can pass
[08:23:14] <EchoBinary> so i thought id ask
[08:23:33] <Triskelios> palowoda: eek, the driver always sets the device's owner to the current desktop user
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[08:26:30] <palowoda> Triskelios: Well I'll have to reset the desktop and try it.  I just did it in a window that was root and it doesn't pickup the video device as my user account now.
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[08:35:52] <WickedWicky> hey all
[08:35:59] <solar-star> Hi
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[08:41:36] <EchoBinary> word
[08:41:46] <WickedWicky> palowoda, coming back to usefullness, I have a bunch of webcams laying around in my room, a variety of creative to cheap-ass brands like trust
[08:41:53] <WickedWicky> care if I give them a try under nevada/
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[08:42:55] <trygvis> http://www.dzone.com/rsslinks/erland_the_next_javap.html
[08:43:18] <palowoda> Well the Logitech Notebook Pro seems to work now.  I still have to get past the NAT on the firewall for ekiga to work on calls.  Anyone know which port to open up?
[08:43:45] <WickedWicky> not me, sorry
[08:45:11] <WickedWicky> question back at you though. Can I compile onnv on one machine and copy the archives created to another and use bfu to upgrade?
[08:45:25] <e^ipi> yes
[08:45:36] <WickedWicky> thank you :)
[08:45:57] <e^ipi> i've BFU'ed my laptop (x86) like that before after compiling ON on my file pit ( amd64 )
[08:46:00] <WickedWicky> things start to get sillier with the day on my box at home.
[08:46:09] <EchoBinary> BFU?
[08:46:10] <e^ipi> though x86 <-> SPARC doesn't work like that
[08:46:17] <e^ipi> EchoBinary, brick factory upgrade
[08:46:18] <WickedWicky> it's x86 to x86
[08:46:25] <EchoBinary> ah
[08:46:26] <EchoBinary> doh
[08:46:31] <e^ipi> it's a good way to mangle your machine & preclude any other form of upgrade ever again
[08:46:37] <jmcp> Bonwick-Faulkner Upgrade, technically
[08:46:54] <e^ipi> jmcp: brick-factory is more accurate
[08:46:56] <WickedWicky> memtest doesnt show errors, exporting the entire zfs pool to outrule disk problems and still my box panics at compiling stuff
[08:47:03] <jmcp> e^ipi: if you screw it up, sure
[08:47:13] <jmcp> you only do that once or twice though
[08:47:18] <WickedWicky> I didnt brickify stuff so far, not by BFU anyway
[08:47:33] <e^ipi> I think i've done it about twice, yeah
[08:47:42] <WickedWicky> I did spil 1/2 liter of apple juice over my laptop 4 months ago.. that sort of did the trick
[08:47:53] <WickedWicky> thank god for laptop insurances
[08:49:17] <e^ipi> every piece of electronic equipment I own has at one point or another been chrisened with coffee
[08:49:45] <e^ipi> i poured an entire 12 cup coffee press in to my model M once
[08:49:56] <e^ipi> a quick run through the dishwasher & it was as good as new
[08:49:58] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: how did it cope?
[08:50:04] <Chipdancer> dishwasher!
[08:50:10] <e^ipi> Chipdancer, i don't think you /can/ break a model m
[08:50:11] <WickedWicky> coffee spoilage over my laptop only happens when someone makes me laugh while I take a sip
[08:50:27] <e^ipi> this thing has taken quite the beating over the last 20 years
[08:50:32] <palowoda> Acutally I heard washing keyboards in dishwashers works.
[08:50:39] <WickedWicky> LOL
[08:50:40] <WickedWicky> wtf?
[08:51:00] <e^ipi> what?
[08:51:58] <WickedWicky> dishwasher?
[08:52:36] <e^ipi> yeah, dishwasher
[08:52:39] <palowoda> Yeah you appearently can put your keyboards through the dishwasher.  Haven't tried it though.
[08:53:00] <moazamraja> arggghh
[08:53:01] <WickedWicky> I'd be stupid enough to try, I admit
[08:53:03] <e^ipi> it cleans the particulate matter out & subsequently dries it with heat to prevent rust
[08:53:08] <WickedWicky> thank god the dishwasher at home is by the brand WickedWicky
[08:53:08] <moazamraja> zoneadm is bustin my chops
[08:53:11] <moazamraja> can't figure out why
[08:53:14] <e^ipi> and it being a model M, it can take a lot of abuse
[08:53:16] <moazamraja> doing the same thing i've done before
[08:53:19] <e^ipi> like, a /LOT/ of abuse
[08:53:27] <moazamraja> i.e., creating a seperate lofs /usr/local for a zone
[08:54:11] * WickedWicky still has an old HP Vectra in his room, it still runs after all these years
[08:54:34] <moazamraja> ERROR: Read-only file system: cannot create mount point </bucket/zones/web/root/usr/local>
[08:54:37] <moazamraja> wtf !!!
[08:54:41] <WickedWicky> which cant be said from my Acer Aspire 1703SM
[08:55:06] <jmcp> moazamraja: are you inheriting /usr from your global zone?
[08:55:16] <e^ipi> I threw out a lot of old kit because I couldn't be bothered to keep it around
[08:55:39] <moazamraja> jmcp: inherit-pkg-dir:
[08:55:39] <moazamraja>         dir: /usr
[08:55:59] <moazamraja> BUT...I have this SAME config on another machine (Solaris 10) and it works fine
[08:56:08] <jmcp> moazamraja: in your global zone you will need a /usr/local
[08:56:13] <moazamraja> now when I try on snv_65, it fails
[08:56:16] <jmcp> moazamraja: yeah yeah, that's what they all say :)
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[08:56:24] <e^ipi> at one point a non-functional sgi IRIS Indigo stops being worth dragging through moves
[08:56:34] <moazamraja> jmcp: ahhahah, quite true... (what they all say)
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[08:56:45] <e^ipi> or piles of sub-500mhz bog-standard x86 kit
[08:58:10] <moazamraja> jmcp: you were right. my other machine had a /usr/local in global, the new machine doesn't.
[08:58:12] <moazamraja> works now
[08:58:13] <moazamraja> whew.
[08:58:41] <WickedWicky> Somebodu is offering me an Ultra Sparc 80 for 200 US$
[08:59:06] <jmcp> WickedWicky: how much for shipping?
[08:59:09] <jmcp> what specs?
[08:59:09] <e^ipi> specs?
[08:59:27] <WickedWicky> 4GB memory 4x UlraSparc II 450Mhz
[08:59:32] <WickedWicky> 18GB Seagate
[08:59:35] <jmcp> take it
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[08:59:46] <moazamraja> :/
[08:59:53] <WickedWicky> wanted to confirm with you guys first
[08:59:54] <moazamraja> 4gb is sweet tho
[09:00:03] <dclarke> Ultra 80 !?!  just take it
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[09:00:04] <WickedWicky> for you guys in the US
[09:00:05] <WickedWicky> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Sun-Ultra-80-Elite3D-4GB-Ram-UltraSparc-II-1-80GHz-Cpu_W0QQitemZ330154569821QQihZ014QQcategoryZ20328QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
[09:00:11] <dclarke> the RAM is very special however
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[09:00:25] <dclarke> you can not use it in anything else other than a 420R
[09:00:28] <WickedWicky> came across this, its in Texas
[09:00:30] <dclarke> which is the same thing really
[09:00:33] <WickedWicky> so might be interesting for you
[09:01:18] <WickedWicky> catchy though
[09:01:20] <WickedWicky> Item is offered on a "AS-IS, "HOW-IS" basis with a NO DOA WARRANTY
[09:01:46] <e^ipi> ebay crap usually is
[09:02:13] <WickedWicky> yea, that's why I broswe dutch fora and all
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[09:02:35] <WickedWicky> I used these specs as an indication to see what's available here, I prefer to have a look at it before i buy it
[09:02:45] <dclarke> gotta go crash .. reset .. sleep .. whatever
[09:02:59] <WickedWicky> sleep well
[09:03:01] <dclarke> worlds longest build of GCC is done .. stage 1
[09:03:07] <dclarke> took five days
[09:03:24] <e^ipi> are you monkeying around with sun4c kit again?
[09:03:29] <WickedWicky> on this machine you assembled? the low spec one?
[09:03:35] <dclarke> yep
[09:03:38] <dclarke> sun4m
[09:03:43] <WickedWicky> lol
[09:03:46] <dclarke> and it built it all and it works
[09:03:49] <dclarke> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2007-08/msg00185.html
[09:04:13] <dclarke> its like the old old days .. just fire off a task and then let it stew for a day
[09:04:36] * e^ipi hugs his fast machines
[09:04:48] <dclarke> oh .. I have fast also
[09:04:55] <dclarke> but .. where is the fun in that ?
[09:05:19] <dclarke> actually .. I am doing this as a bit of a lark
[09:05:28] <e^ipi> you get to do fun productive creative stuff instead of waiting a week to get a compiler
[09:05:31] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[09:05:43] <dclarke> if one looks at the build status you will see that no one has GCC 4.2.1 working yet : http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.2/buildstat.html
[09:06:11] <dclarke> e^ipi : I was never waiting .. I was always working on other thngs
[09:06:20] <dclarke> but the old box was cranking in the background
[09:06:28] <e^ipi> fair enough
[09:06:29] <dclarke> after this .. I decommision it
[09:06:33] <dclarke> officially
[09:06:42] <dclarke> time ot say goodbye to sun4m forever I think
[09:07:40] <Atomdrache> What sort of sun4m is this?
[09:07:55] <dclarke> bash-3.2$ uname -a
[09:07:57] <dclarke> SunOS fossil 5.8 Generic_117350-47 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-20
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[09:08:09] <Atomdrache> Oh, like mine but with a slighly older SunOS.
[09:08:12] * Atomdrache uses that for irssi.
[09:08:45] <Atomdrache> Oh, and to whomever was interested in the U80:  Take it and fix it if necessary.  Usually cheaper to get parts for it than to buy another.  They are very nice.
[09:09:01] <dclarke> the RAM is hard to find
[09:09:06] <Atomdrache> Though...better if the seller guarantees it works.  Because then you can hound the seller for parts if it arrives with, say, broken memory modules.
[09:09:13] <Atomdrache> RAM for which?
[09:09:16] <Atomdrache> SS20 or U80?
[09:09:19] <dclarke> Ultra 80
[09:09:28] <Atomdrache> I had no difficulty obtaining replacement RAM.
[09:09:29] <dclarke> it is "special"
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[09:09:42] <dclarke> oh well ... what do I know ..
[09:09:49] <Atomdrache> Mess of it on eBay.  You can get a gigabyte worth of 256MB modules for like $20.
[09:09:50] <WickedWicky> a lot
[09:09:50] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:10:13] <dclarke> WickedWicky :  hardly
[09:10:22] <Atomdrache> Also, since many Ultras used that RAM (I've had it work fine in an E450), I'd hardly call it special.
[09:10:27] <dclarke> WickedWicky :  most times I just guess
[09:10:29] <Atomdrache> The special RAM detail of U80s is the weird riser board.
[09:10:46] <Atomdrache> It's weird to deal with, but if you're careful and use the torque wrench correctly, you'll be fine.
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[09:11:25] <Atomdrache> When I bid on the Ultra 80, I also went out to get extra RAM, in case it came with damaged RAM modules.
[09:11:41] <jmcp> the banks are split between the motherboard and the riser board
[09:11:45] <jmcp> you can't have one and not the other
[09:12:11] <Atomdrache> So I had some extra U80 RAM, and put it in the E450.  No complaints.
[09:12:25] <Atomdrache> I know.  You must fill them a certain way.
[09:12:43] <Atomdrache> Well, I did have damaged modules.  Six.
[09:12:46] <jmcp> it is a monumental pain the backside
[09:12:51] <Atomdrache> So until I could replace them, I ran it with 2GB.
[09:13:02] <Atomdrache> Then replacements arrived, and now it is up to four.  But it'll do that.
[09:13:05] <Atomdrache> And, yeah, it sucks to deal with.
[09:13:20] <Atomdrache> That's why I made it an objective to stuff it full of RAM as quickly as possible, so I could just put it in and leave it.
[09:14:26] <Atomdrache> But I don't recall it being expensive stuff.  I paid about $20.
[09:14:39] <Atomdrache> (replacements from the seller were free, however, as he said 4GB tested, working)
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[09:21:02] <WickedWicky> crap
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[09:33:29] <g4lt-sb100> today's iron ingredient: toshiba laptop
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[09:33:51] <Triskelios> palowoda: I'm using siproxd on the router...
[09:38:58] <palowoda> Ah, I think my stunnel is getting in the way.   I'll have to do some reconfiguration.
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[09:42:19] <Triskelios> how do I build a specific driver from usr/src/uts?
[09:42:40] <jmcp> Triskelios: cd usr/src/uts/intel/nameofdriver ; (setup your environment variables) ; make
[09:43:18] <Triskelios> oh, thanks (why didn't I think of that?)
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[09:54:47] <trygvis> dclarke: how come you're in #opensolaris only? :)
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[09:57:02] <Triskelios> plugging in Xbox Live Vision... here goes a probably panic
[09:57:39] <Triskelios> woot! no panic!
[09:57:48] <Triskelios> Aug 10 03:57:16 shamisen genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci104d,81e6@1d,7/miscellaneous@1/video@0 (usbvc1) online
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[10:00:16] <Triskelios> "Your driver doesn't seem to support any of the color formats supported by Ekiga."
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[10:46:56] <g4lt-sb100> okay, who's the fucktarded idiot that set up the "services" applet in the nv67 gnome.  apparently "RBAC complaince" is something they need a tourist visa for
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[10:53:26] <oxygene> g4lt-sb100: probably some linux dev?
[10:55:26] <g4lt-sb100> I'd bet.  someone with the sysadmin role shouldn't be asked for the fucking root password to change services.  if you don't truste them with the srvices, why did you make them a sysadmin role again?
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[11:02:33] <trochej> Fun game: try to post a YouTube comment so stupid that people realize you must be joking. (Hint: this is impossible)
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[11:48:03] <phimic> hello all
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[11:48:59] <phimic> i want to install opensolaris on my acer travelmate3020 but i think i got three probelmatic devices
[11:56:44] <trochej> which are
[12:00:24] * adultera1edjedi is wondering the same
[12:00:33] <CIA-17> mj162486: PSARC 2003/674 pam_list module, 4294674 Restrict logins using netgroups without using passwd_compat mode in NSS
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[12:01:22] <PerterB> excellent, I've been wondering when that PAM module would make it in
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[13:05:49] <phimic> trochej: intel high definition audio and intelt GM945 graphic adapter
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[13:10:01] <TpentaNB> folks might be interested in my latest blog entry at http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta
[13:10:11] <phimic> trochej: i can paste u the sun device detection result
[13:10:11] * TpentaNB has been a little busy
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[13:12:47] <quasi> TpentaNB: yeah, very interested - I could have used that several times lately
[13:13:10] <TpentaNB> surprisingly simple. well except for the bits i tripped over
[13:13:46] <trygvis> hey, nice
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[13:14:22] <quasi> now to get the same for the ksh that isn't 93... ;)
[13:14:53] <TpentaNB> doable, buit probably more tricky
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[13:15:40] <quasi> isn't ksh in wider use among the scripts that come with solaris?
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[13:15:56] <TpentaNB> probably an even split
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[13:21:21] <seanmcg> TpentaNB: would like this for perl too :)
[13:21:59] <TpentaNB> alan burlinson has done perl, it just went onto the backburner for inadequately explored reasons
[13:22:07] <TpentaNB> *burlison
[13:22:12] <seanmcg> ahh
[13:23:01] <seanmcg> well once you post the diffs, others can start doing it for other shells
[13:23:21] <TpentaNB> each shell will be different, sh has a lot of cruft from being very old code
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[13:23:43] <seanmcg> I mean the incentive will be there more so
[13:24:43] <TpentaNB> brendan has already asked someone to do bash I think
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[13:28:10] <TpentaNB> :)
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[13:33:58] <trochej> phimic: Paste
[13:34:49] <phimic> trochej: ok
[13:37:07] <phimic> trochej: can u take a look at http://omnibus.ruf.uni-freiburg.de/~michels/sdda.html
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[13:39:21] <trochej> phimic: And meanwhile you can take a look here: http://www.klimacik.pl/10554,tony_jaa.html
[13:39:24] <trochej> :)
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[13:45:56] <trochej> phimic: Audio won't work,even with oss installed
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[13:46:28] <trochej> phimic: Card reader probably won't work
[13:46:34] <phimic> trochej: nice vid :)
[13:46:45] <phimic> no way to get audio work?
[13:47:02] <trochej> phimic: I couldn't
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[13:47:10] <trochej> phimic: Video will work all right
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[13:48:18] <phimic> trochej: with a 1280 x 800 resolution too?
[13:50:36] <phimic> trochej: and the power management will work
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[13:55:46] <trochej> phimic: Power I don't think so, video card works ok
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[14:19:13] <devel1> Hello
[14:20:14] <devel1> people, i have a stupid question: i have 2 interfaces, hme1 and ppp0, how to route some net (192.168.129.0/24) from hme1 to ppp0 ? should i use ipf ? (i need command like next-hop in cisco)
[14:21:11] <devel1> SunOS sun.jamalsoft.com 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:12] <devel1> SunOS sun.jamalsoft.com 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:12] <devel1> SunOS sun.jamalsoft.com 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:12] <devel1> SunOS sun.jamalsoft.com 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:12] <devel1> SunOS sun.jamalsoft.com 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:12] <devel1> SunOS host 5.11 snv_35 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4
[14:21:17] <devel1> ups
[14:21:32] <devel1> can anyone help ?
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[14:29:59] <quasi> that's quite an old snv
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[15:45:40] <coffman> "(Acrobat plugin required)" - on opensolaris.org
[15:45:44] <coffman> thats stupid
[15:45:55] <coffman> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/UIDesign/Phase1/ on that site
[15:46:08] <quasi> well, you can get it for sparc solrais
[15:46:51] <coffman> pff
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[15:53:55] <timeless> /usr/sbin/pmconfig: cannot open "/dev/pm": No such file or directory
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[15:58:12] <timeless> devfsadm: update_drvconf failed for major -1
[15:58:13] <timeless> devfsadm: di_init failed for /: No such file or directory
[15:58:15] <timeless> strange
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[16:05:02] <WickedWicky> hey dclarke
[16:05:15] <dclarke> good morning ..
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[16:06:30] <dclarke> first cup of coffee
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[16:11:56] <trochej> Khe
[16:11:58] <trochej> The last for me
[16:12:10] <trochej> ten more minutes and I head home
[16:12:22] <PerterB> POETS day?
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[16:17:22] <trochej> PETS day
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[16:35:07] <anilg> hi all...
[16:35:26] <anilg> i'm seeing some very wierd ufs issues
[16:36:08] <anilg> my /var seems to be taking up 1.7Gb ... but 'du' inside the directory accounts for only 20 Mb or so
[16:36:15] <anilg> http://rafb.net/p/xe6Yqq40.txt
[16:36:45] <tomww> anilg: probably a still open file where the filname is already deleted?
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[16:37:05] <anilg> nay way of correcting this?
[16:37:12] <anilg> I've mounted this partition from a live CD
[16:37:23] <anilg> so I'm pretty sure no files are open
[16:38:50] <tomww> sure :-) are there other fs mounted into /var ?  if you do a du -sdh /var what is counted ?
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[16:48:06] <anilg> whoa! Its the /var/crash dir... 1.6GB!
[16:48:40] <anilg> 10 dumps of 150mb
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[16:49:04] <Berny> have cron clean that up :-)
[16:49:32] <anilg> Are these of any use? i'm on b69 and have a crash dumped every time I shutdown..
[16:49:52] <anilg> these would help in bug reporting?
[16:49:57] <Berny> only if you want to debug them
[16:50:53] <anilg> Cant i print the call stack for all and send it the code mailing list if it would help someone
[16:51:06] <anilg> I've never tried debugging coredumps..
[16:51:16] <Berny> yeah if you can send them to someone or poke around with mbd
[16:52:08] <anilg> whats the command to print out the call stack? pstack?
[16:52:26] <seanmcg> ::status
[16:52:31] <seanmcg> ::stack
[16:52:33] <holcomb> ::stack or $c I think
[16:52:41] <seanmcg> ::cpuinfo -v
[16:52:49] <seanmcg> are useful.
[16:53:00] <seanmcg> and ::msgbuf ( I think)
[16:53:24] <anilg> > ::stack
[16:53:24] <anilg> mdb: command is not supported by current target
[16:53:34] <anilg> I used "mdb vmcore.0"  to start
[16:53:42] <migi> ::dmods -l
[16:54:07] <seanmcg> mdb -k 0 is how.
[16:54:48] <seanmcg> need to specify both te vmcore.o and unix.0, 'mdb -k 0' should work and similarly for the .X dump, mdb -k X
[16:55:05] <seanmcg> (I'm in typo hell today)
[16:55:06] <Berny> mdb -k unix.x vmcore.x x being a number
[16:55:12] <anilg> oops... belenix is statically 32 bit in live cd i think
[16:55:15] <anilg> (root@belenix)# mdb -k 0
[16:55:16] <anilg> mdb: failed to exec /usr/bin/i86/../amd64/mdb: No such file or directory
[16:55:16] <anilg> mdb: 32-bit mdb cannot debug 64-bit program unix.0
[16:55:30] <Berny> $c for trace
[16:56:45] <seanmcg> ouch.  need to boot the disk dude
[16:56:53] <seanmcg> to get the amd64/mdb bits
[16:58:19] <anilg> thanks.. will reboot into SX and try these
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[17:07:40] <nexenta-fan> Hi
[17:08:21] <nexenta-fan> I issued the following command:
[17:08:25] <nexenta-fan> update_drv -a -i '"pci1002,437b"' audiohd
[17:08:35] <nexenta-fan> This resulted in:
[17:08:50] <nexenta-fan> Warning: Driver (audiohd) successfully added to system but failed to attach
[17:09:09] <nexenta-fan> Does anybody know what this means
[17:09:42] <seanmcg> can mean that theres no device there to attach to.  Anything from /var/adm/messages ?
[17:10:04] <nexenta-fan> did not looked at yet
[17:11:09] <nexenta-fan> what should I see there
[17:11:27] <nexenta-fan> Or for what am I looking for
[17:11:29] <seanmcg> anything to do with audio..
[17:11:38] <nexenta-fan> ok I ll see
[17:13:19] <nexenta-fan> I found 'cant create codec' messages
[17:15:01] <seanmcg> anything like 'unsupported HD codec' there ?
[17:15:46] <nexenta-fan> yes: WARNING: audiohd0: unsupported HD codec: vid=0x11d41981, rev=0x00100200
[17:20:07] <seanmcg> I see some bugs with that vid not supported.  you may wanna try the oss from http://www.opensound.com
[17:20:51] <nexenta-fan> Ok, wil have a look at it
[17:21:02] <nexenta-fan> But for now I am busy to get the train
[17:21:07] <nexenta-fan> See you
[17:21:31] <nexenta-fan> Maybe we talk on Monday again
[17:21:37] <seanmcg> sure.
[17:21:51] <nexenta-fan> Ok, bye
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[17:26:11] <SYS64738> hi
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[17:29:05] <stevel> w
[17:29:07] <stevel> blah
[17:29:27] <asyd> bli
[17:29:28] <SYS64738> The installer you have invoked can run only in solaris_ platform.  Please invoke the installer for Solaris_x86 platform.
[17:29:33] <SYS64738> I hate iso's
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[17:42:30] * EchoBinary invokes Solaris Installer
[17:42:36] <EchoBinary> Solaris Installer - i chose you!
[17:44:36] * dme just had a terrible revelation - Pokemon is nethack.
[17:45:09] <EchoBinary> isnt nethack Rogue?
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[17:46:06] <dme> I guess so, yes.
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[17:56:35] <SYS64738> I have some problem with X11
[17:57:27] <SYS64738> solaris express works, but not s10
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[18:07:54] <SYS64738> is it possible to use wget to download from www.sun.com/download/ ?
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[18:10:26] <trygvis> dunno, but it works if you want to download the solaris or opensolaris isos
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[18:18:42] <g4lt-sb100> I'd presume not, since each download filename is a session-unique hash
[18:18:58] <flyingparchment> you can use wget if you copy the url correctly
[18:19:08] <flyingparchment> use -O or it'll write it to a stupid filename
[18:20:09] <richlowe> and never adjust the URL by hand.
[18:20:14] <richlowe> for instance, to try and get the 2nd part, or whatever.
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[18:20:26] <richlowe> you won't get it right, and it sucks to download the same thing twice for no apparent reason.
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[18:31:36] <SYS64738> thamks
[18:31:39] <SYS64738> thanks
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[18:36:11] <SYS64738> bye
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[18:37:10] <g4lt-sb100> oh, did anyone answer my query as to who to beat for the services applet?
[18:38:33] <richlowe> eh?
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[18:38:45] <richlowe> oh, the JDS one?
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[18:39:10] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: though if that is what you mean, I can't figure out how you could be seeing it's contents.
[18:39:13] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: I sure can't.
[18:39:27] * richlowe has the worlds most administrively useful plain grey box, currently
[18:39:48] <g4lt-sb100> yeah, the one that completel fails to get RBAC.  guy with sysadmin role launcehs it and gets asked for the root password.  are we now ubuntu?
[18:40:16] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: gksu does rbac, (kinda)
[18:40:33] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: it may just be an utterly broken dialog.
[18:40:52] <g4lt-sb100> is service administration now not part of the sysadmin role?
[18:40:55] <richlowe> though, the fact you can have roles/profiles that can only alter a subset of services is probably not really represented.
[18:41:12] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: ask laca, or Dar, or one of the JDS folks.
[18:41:31] <richlowe> I'm not going to take guesses at what's wrong with JDS, I only know the answer at a very very high level ;)
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[18:41:39] <g4lt-sb100> do I have to ask them, or can I just commence to beating?
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[18:42:54] <g4lt-sb100> that gksu crap belongs in PI.  roles can cover, and if you're not in the role, it should noisily fail
[18:43:31] <oxygene> g4lt-sb100: that should be a configuration option - just bad that the gnome people seem to _hate_ options
[18:43:52] <g4lt-sb100> okay, I can live with optional, locked down by default
[18:44:35] <g4lt-sb100> it's fucking eye candy for serious people, but yeah, some people want the eye candy
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[18:45:59] * EchoBinary goes to Hooters for eye candy
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[18:48:16] <holcomb> i want some brain candy
[18:48:36] <trygvis> here you go: http://www.trapexit.org/
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[18:58:56] <wesolows> another day, another backout
[18:59:55] <oxygene> can't they merge into their own workspace first and test in teamware, too?
[18:59:58] <richlowe> wesolows: 01:52 < richlowe> let's see if mjnelson agrees with me now. ;)
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[19:00:14] <shinden> pika pika
[19:00:15] <richlowe> especially since that one broke the build.
[19:00:21] <richlowe> so the others that went back afterward are also bogus.
[19:00:24] <CIA-17> achartre: FWARC 2007/363 VIO vDisk MD node updates, 6566086 vdc needs an I/O timeout, 6575216 IO-DOMAIN-RESET : Guests may lose access to disk services (VDS) if IO domain is rebooted
[19:01:26] <wesolows> heh
[19:02:23] <shinden> Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/
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[19:02:59] <wesolows> richlowe: Yeah, well, I've putback after things which broke the build, too.  At some point you can't worry too much about being in sync with the very latest stuff when you build and test (often there are more putbacks than the time it takes to do a build).  So you have to rely on your judgment.
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[19:05:40] <shinden> when on official ftp will be snv_70 ?
[19:06:22] <g4lt-sb100> is 70 even scheduled for a SXCE build at all?
[19:06:40] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: probably. yes.
[19:06:46] <richlowe> the other DE builds were put up as CE, certainly.
[19:07:29] <g4lt-sb100> so 70 is the new SXDE?  damn, I just got 67 installed :(
[19:07:42] <shinden> rm -fr /
[19:07:46] <richlowe> "69 or 70".
[19:07:47] <shinden> [;
[19:07:50] <richlowe> except that it's never the first one.
[19:08:22] <richlowe> wesolows: if I felt I could rely on people's judgement, right now, I wouldn't be complaining about this mess in general. :)
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[19:10:52] <g4lt-sb100> shinden, go ahead and do that....  http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/rm/rm.c#164
[19:11:04] <shinden> lurk
[19:11:20] <shinden> and ?
[19:11:23] <shinden> D;
[19:11:50] <g4lt-sb100> shinden, that's the part that emits "rm of / is not alloweed"
[19:12:20] <g4lt-sb100> wiffle-unix
[19:12:44] <shinden> hm ;p
[19:12:53] <shinden> on linux this trick works
[19:12:54] <shinden> :P
[19:13:06] <oxygene> rm -rf /* still works (but might miss /.* ;-)
[19:13:19] <shinden> ;p
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[19:36:06] <shinden> where in OS is config of dhcpclient ?
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[19:37:08] <g4lt-sb100> in the file dhcp.<interface>
[19:37:32] <EchoBinary> where is the nmbd binary?
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[19:38:32] <g4lt-sb100> EchoBinary, the syntax of find escapting you?
[19:39:03] <alanc> snv_70 images just became internally available two days ago, given the normal delays, SXCE release wouldn't be until mid-next week
[19:39:15] <EchoBinary> aye
[19:39:20] * EchoBinary is solaris noob
[19:39:32] <alanc> and snv_70a respin is already being worked on to fix problems like PXE booting being broken on x86
[19:39:41] <EchoBinary> i tried find / nmbd  but well..  yeah
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[19:39:47] <g4lt-sb100> try this: find /|grep nmbd
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[19:40:31] <EchoBinary> heh-hey!
[19:40:42] <EchoBinary> thanks! :-
[19:40:44] <EchoBinary> :-D
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[19:42:44] <brendang> is Roland around?
[19:43:26] <EchoBinary> Roland T. Flackfiser?
[19:44:01] <brendang> Mainz
[19:44:05] <e^ipi> EchoBinary, presumably mainz
[19:45:30] <g4lt-sb100> EchoBinary, I hope you don't use any ksh variants, because roland mainz maintains most of them now
[19:46:19] <EchoBinary> im using bash mostly
[19:46:27] <richlowe> brendang: haven't seen him around for a week or two.
[19:46:37] <brendang> richlowe: rightio, cheers
[19:46:46] <brendang> richlowe: you've seen alan's post about sh? blogs.sun.com/tpenta
[19:46:56] <brendang> richlowe: I'm writing a blog entry of examples now.
[19:46:57] <richlowe> Yeah, I talked to alan a couple of days ago about it, actually.
[19:47:04] <brendang> richlowe: cool
[19:47:37] <g4lt-sb100> oh yes, the "let's change /bin/sh to ksh93" :(
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[19:49:17] <richlowe> that's actually not *that* crazy, it's just particularly unfun and complex
[19:49:51] <richlowe> given the current posix sh we use is ksh in a funny hat, and those glasses with a plastic nose attached, ksh93 being the posix sh is certainly not in the realm of fantasy.
[19:49:55] <wesolows> yeah; I actually think it's a good idea, if someone other than me does the work
[19:50:29] <g4lt-sb100> if anyone mentions that they'd prefer bash, LOCK AND LOAD
[19:51:13] <wesolows> Well, I prefer bash, and use it as root's shell always.  But I'm not saying that should necessarily be the shipping default.
[19:52:29] <g4lt-sb100> not only no, HELL no.  that would be a PI wet dream, making solaris JALC
[19:52:54] <wesolows> give me a break
[19:53:02] * stevel uses bash too
[19:53:15] <g4lt-sb100> it was bad enough when I ran across gksu dialogs in JDS
[19:53:27] <wesolows> I don't even know what gksu is.  But then, I don't use JDS either.
[19:53:39] * stevel uses bash AND JDS :-)
[19:53:40] * WickedWicky uses ksh and bash
[19:54:23] <wesolows> shells are like editors, a matter of religion.  Root's shell should be something that the rest of the system can rely on, not necessarily what any group of people prefers for interactive use.
[19:54:29] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, I played with the services applet as a user with the sysadmin role, and got asked for the root password, just as if I was in ubuntu
[19:54:51] <WickedWicky> once when I was young I used tcsh
[19:55:03] <g4lt-sb100> of course the fact that it completely ignored the whole point of RBAC apparently is irrelevant
[19:55:47] <wesolows> I don't see what it has to do with ubuntu; that's a generic Unix assumption.  What you're seeting is poor integration with the rest of Solaris, something that irks me much more than it irks you.  But using loaded language like "just like ubuntu" seems like trolling to me.
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[19:56:54] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, it was the first major use of gksu IME.  I hate it, especially with the fact that solaris specifically has methods for NOT needing th root password to do everything
[19:57:12] <wesolows> Yes, I understand and agree.
[19:57:42] <wesolows> Blame Sun for failing to recognise the value in Solaris and develop its own properly-integrated software.
[19:58:23] <richlowe> as I said earlier, in theory gksu is away of rbac.
[19:58:31] <richlowe> in practice, it's hard to tell if that's actually happening.
[19:58:41] <wesolows> By shipping a more or less stock GNOME, Sun is telling you that your use case (as a workstation) is a commodity and not one in which it believes its product offers you more value than others (such as ubuntu).  If you don't feel that way, tell your account rep.
[19:58:48] <g4lt-sb100> or blame the community for using blocks of code without a full understanding of what they're doing
[19:59:07] <richlowe> 'aware of', damnit.
[19:59:19] <wesolows> I never blame "the community" when a company has put its name on a product and shipped it to me.
[19:59:33] <wesolows> I blame the company that put its name on a shoddy product.
[20:00:07] <wesolows> If they want to turn around and sue, yell at, or drop a vendor, that's their business.  Mine is with the company that made the product I purchased.
[20:00:49] <delewis> wesolows: seconded.
[20:00:59] <g4lt-sb100> well, TBH we're to blame here too, since we could have DTRT with a nice integrated gksu for sun to ship.  that' really our point here is to make sun's generic solution into a brandable product, since sun doesn't want to do that anymoree
[20:01:08] <delewis> and Sun has left some of its *real* customers in a bad position, like Sun Ray users with JDS.
[20:01:41] <delewis> odd world where attracting Ubuntu kiddies is of greater importance than your real customers.
[20:02:05] <wesolows> delewis: I very strongly encourage you to put that thought in letter form and send it to your account rep, cc Jonathan.
[20:02:36] <delewis> I've already contacted Jonathan on one occasion (another issue), so I guess he wouldn't mind hearing from me again.
[20:02:47] <delewis> and he actually replied back within an hour.
[20:02:52] <richlowe> delewis: Yeah, I'm not sure of the logic behind getting 'more' customers by entire replacement.
[20:03:08] <richlowe> making a new set of (hard to get) people allegedly happy, but your existing customers (and revenue) rather annoyed.
[20:03:31] <delewis> richlowe: and experienceas taught me that ends up in disaster.
[20:03:36] <delewis> chances are you'll never attract the new set
[20:03:39] <oxygene> richlowe: it might be "our customers still stick to solaris 8, so by the time we got the ubuntu kids _and_ sorted out the sunray mess, we can provide a shiney solaris 13 to our old customers that _then_ want to switch"
[20:03:50] <delewis> and you'll alienate the existing customer base.
[20:04:01] <delewis> that sort of thing ends one way -- bankruptcy.
[20:04:11] <wesolows> delewis: Generally, I agree, though in this case I think a lot of people who are not strictly dogmatic will come to appreciate Solaris's value.  That is, if we don't destroy it.
[20:04:16] <richlowe> oxygene: could be the plan, but it's doubtful.
[20:04:26] <oxygene> that "new" set seems to consist of people who only give in to something if there's a penguin on it and linus' code in it.. *shrug*
[20:04:31] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, that's a big if...
[20:05:26] <alanc> many of the GNOME system config bits that use gksu are just there temporarily until visual panels is done
[20:05:30] <wesolows> (Sun employee hat on) I hear and appreciate your concerns.  Really.  But no one in this channel can do any more than he already is.  You MUST contact your account reps, their superiors, and perhaps our CEO if you want to be heard.
[20:06:11] <g4lt-sb100> that would be nice if I had an account rep....
[20:06:20] <alanc> (one of the items of discussion in the vpanels arc review was generating a list of the GNOME system admin bits vpanels would replace so that the GNOME team could concentrate on RBACifying the survivors)
[20:06:26] <wesolows> Ahh, visual panels.  I wonder if that will come before or after memory sets.
[20:06:28] <delewis> wesolows: I think its the case the bulk of "real" customers don't have a lot of OpenSolaris involement and thus aren't informed on the latest developments like most of us are. I'm sure there's tons of shops out there that have no clue CDE will be dropped shortly.
[20:07:03] <wesolows> delewis: Maybe.  But we have channels for warning people about that stuff, so hopefully they're paying attention.
[20:07:03] <g4lt-sb100> and got help the sun ray 1 users at that oint, since it's not beefy enough to handle JDS
[20:07:07] <delewis> and yes, I'm aware of EOL notices, but that implies someone to actually read the release notes.
[20:07:22] <wesolows> We can't make our customers read release notes.
[20:07:42] <wesolows> Though of course a good account rep will have quarterly meetings with you at which he'll mention the ones that are important to your business.
[20:07:52] <alanc> delewis: the CDE EOL notice will be in the S10U4 release notes, and S10U5 is planned to get more adamant with an in-your-face "You're using a dead desktop!   It's deceased, not just pining for the fjords!" popup on login to CDE, much as OpenWindows did years ago
[20:07:55] <delewis> that's good to know.
[20:08:19] <oxygene> delewis: someone there might have read information week or so and in that case they _must_ have seen the stuff about solaris not being solaris anymore (read: indiana - and what the media made out of it)
[20:08:26] <WickedWicky> no no
[20:08:28] <WickedWicky> it's resting
[20:08:50] <g4lt-sb100> get into the cart
[20:08:56] <alanc> amusingly the login screens on the internal Sun Ray servers at Sun long ago renamed CDE to "Unsupported lightweight roaming desktop"
[20:09:41] <tomww> oxygene: "and what the media made out of it)" - this is true .-)
[20:09:46] <e^ipi> on the plus side, if/when ian et al. kill solaris, a couple guys can probably make a killing by forking off opensolaris & turning it back in to what solaris was before they hired him
[20:10:01] <wesolows> imagine tht
[20:10:04] <wesolows> *that
[20:10:10] <g4lt-sb100> my next question is is there a sun ray beefy enough at this point to handle the JDS eye candy?
[20:10:11] <oxygene> tomww: I'm not yet convinced that it does _not_ suck - but it's sad to see how everything circles around vaporware
[20:10:20] <e^ipi> and all the companies that depend on sol. can migrate to that new company
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[20:14:34] <alanc> CR 6591715 Created P3 opensolaris/triage-queue performance of apache2 is terrible
[20:14:55] <richlowe> alanc: botsnack
[20:14:58] <richlowe> (though that one isn't from me)
[20:15:45] <alanc> of course, they built their own apache2, and are blaming Solaris for it being slow (is strange that it's slower on nevada than 10 though)
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[20:16:04] <richlowe> alanc: uname -v in the bug report?
[20:16:15] <alanc> oh, hmm: bfu'ed from /export/testws/onnv-gate/archives/sparc/nightly on 2007-08-09
[20:16:17] <richlowe> alanc: if they filed it with us, it's possibly they built (and are DEBUG).
[20:16:20] * richlowe takes a bow
[20:16:28] <richlowe> feel free to throw flowers, and generally clap.
[20:16:37] <WickedWicky> *applauds*
[20:17:30] <palowoda> CR 6591716  Create market promo that Sun Webserver outperforms Apache2.
[20:17:31] <wesolows> yeah, it could be DEBUG, but it could also be a generic performance regression
[20:17:46] <holcomb> heh
[20:17:52] <wesolows> the right synopsis is "possible apache2 performance regression against S10"
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[20:18:52] <richlowe> wesolows: Yeah, I certainly wasn't suggesting it be closed.
[20:18:58] <richlowe> asking them to try on -nd archives would be a good thing, though.
[20:19:02] <sommerfeld> or maybe "DEBUG kernel is still too slow"
[20:19:17] <richlowe> sommerfeld: can't state that, until we know if -nd is (appropriately) better.
[20:20:00] <wesolows> well, no synopsis is really right until we know that
[20:20:08] <sommerfeld> well, i've yet to see a nontrivial workload that didn't suck on DEBUG compared to non-DEBUG
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[20:21:36] <richlowe> sommerfeld: true, but a lot of that overhead is worthwhile.
[20:21:41] <richlowe> at least the bits I've cared to actually look at.
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[20:23:02] <sommerfeld> it's worthwhile unless you're measuring performance
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[20:23:18] <richlowe> sommerfeld: so don't do perf measurements on DEBUG archives?
[20:23:37] <EchoBinary> ...well
[20:23:44] <EchoBinary> .. i just learned a very important lesson
[20:23:51] <EchoBinary> killall  by itself
[20:23:57] <EchoBinary> does NOT print the help screen
[20:24:08] <oxygene> EchoBinary: killall does what its name suggests
[20:24:22] <EchoBinary> indeed
[20:24:26] <alanc> EchoBinary: on Solaris, you probably want pkill, not killall
[20:24:26] <EchoBinary> lol
[20:24:41] <EchoBinary> i love learnign new OSs
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[20:25:00] <sommerfeld> it's the first entry on  the david letterman top 10 list of "how linux admins hurt themselves on solaris"
[20:25:29] <wesolows> although most GNU/Linuxen have had pkill for a long time now
[20:25:30] <sommerfeld> richlowe: see also 6203568
[20:25:31] <e^ipi> unix-alikes are like programming languages... once you know 2 or 3 it becomes exponentially easier to pick up others
[20:26:02] <sommerfeld> in DEBUG builds, every exiting thread walks a large pile of ip stack data structures in order to patrol for reference leaks
[20:26:03] <e^ipi> for some real fun, go pick up an account on HP's testdrive servers & login to the td193 ( the VMS  machine )
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[20:26:34] <Shiv__> Laca: Hi...
[20:26:37] <richlowe> sommerfeld: oh, and a nicely detailed bug, too
[20:27:37] <laca> hi Shiv__
[20:27:50] <sommerfeld> Jim estimates that the work is O(N^3)
[20:28:52] <Shiv__> We plan to start at 10am+530 tomorrow. Incase you are not available, will update you later.
[20:28:55] <e^ipi> holy christ does -xipo ever slow builds down
[20:29:21] <e^ipi> cmake's been building for about half an hour on this machine
[20:29:59] <laca> Shiv__: cool, thanks, i'll be around at the beginning anyway
[20:30:00] <sommerfeld> if that's "interprocedural optimization" that's really believable
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[20:30:12] <e^ipi> yeah, it is
[20:30:19] <tomww> Shiv__: Hi, what's your timezone? You start with your while true; do create SFEpackage.spec; sleep 0; done :-)
[20:31:03] <sommerfeld> "  -xipo performs optimizations across all object files in
[20:31:03] <sommerfeld>           the link step, and is not limited to just the source
[20:31:03] <sommerfeld>           files on the compile command.
[20:31:03] <sommerfeld> "
[20:31:06] <Shiv__> Any info about the packaging mechanism that will be used in Indiana?
[20:31:24] <richlowe> only sch's blog, if that's the one they would use.
[20:31:35] <richlowe> and sch's blog is lacking a lot of details.
[20:31:43] <g4lt-sb100> Shiv__, press relases
[20:31:43] <richlowe> (maybe because they don't have them yet, I guess)
[20:31:56] <richlowe> g4lt-sb100: sch's blog is a press release? someone should probably let him know ;)
[20:32:11] <sommerfeld> so i'd expect something that's either O(N^large) or O(x^N) in the amount of code
[20:34:43] <elops> systrace is a ?
[20:35:20] <elops> What is systrace/.
[20:35:27] <g4lt-sb100> richlowe, weell, most of everything else fromPI is a press release saying how much solaris sucks, it just foollowed
[20:35:53] <richlowe> elops: the module providing the DTrace syscall:: provider?
[20:36:28] <Shiv__> tomww: My time zone is GMT+530
[20:36:46] <Shiv__> g4lt-sb100: What about the press releases ?
[20:37:16] <g4lt-sb100> Shiv__, I jusat figured that PI's packaging would be press releases, since that's what they're good at
[20:37:51] <Shiv__> Laca: Ok, will probably introduce you to folks and then you can go to sleep.
[20:38:12] <elops> so?
[20:38:33] <Shiv__> g4lt-sb100: Now what is PI? If you are from sun and using sun internal lingo, I wouldn't understand !
[20:38:50] * g4lt-sb100 chuckles
[20:38:52] <palowoda> 3.14xxxxxxx
[20:39:08] <wesolows> 159265...
[20:40:07] <alanc> #include <math.h> ; printf("%g", M_PI);
[20:40:46] <sommerfeld> project indiana
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[20:41:31] <Shiv__> Oh!
[20:41:39] <wesolows> a bottomless well of controversy from which we can draw, should we so unwisely wish to do so
[20:42:11] <Shiv__> Why the skepticism?
[20:43:02] <g4lt-sb100> let's juswt say that Murdock's inital announcement was met with less than universal acclaim
[20:43:30] <g4lt-sb100> as in, "you're going to do WHAT?" was often heard
[20:43:56] <Shiv__> Maybe there was insufficient homework.
[20:43:59] <wesolows> I wasn't expressing an opinion about the thing itself, only about the wisdom of discussing it here.
[20:44:22] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, subtle hint taken
[20:44:23] <Shiv__> But I think it is finding right direction.
[20:44:47] <Shiv__> Let me further before taking the hint,
[20:44:56] <Shiv__> When I first used ubuntu I liked it, and I used debian and found hardly any difference. But ubuntu had started making waves...
[20:45:21] <palowoda> Boring.
[20:45:24] <g4lt-sb100> Shiv__, no, really, you were asked to drop it.  I have as well
[20:46:04] <Shiv__> Hmm.....ok  (In short, I believe it is for good)
[20:46:12] <g4lt-sb100> Shiv__, no, really, you were asked to drop it.  I have as well
[20:46:59] <laca> jeez, what are the approved topics for this channel?
[20:47:00] <e^ipi> Shiv__, you'll find much of #opensolaris hostile to PI (myself included) for a number of reasons. discussing it here only leads to shouting matches so I suggest you refrain
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[20:47:19] <Shiv__> Ok.
[20:48:16] <g4lt-sb100> laca, PI is mostly a "heat but noo light" issue, so I'm thinking that wesolows has said that it really doesn't nd to be discussed.  wheterh or not I agre, I reespect his right to make the decision
[20:48:36] <wesolows> I don't recall making one.
[20:49:11] <g4lt-sb100> well, whatever you want to call it then
[20:49:12] <wesolows> It's unwise to discuss something that's been discussed ad infinitum already to no useful conclusion.  But I'm not some sort of king here.
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[20:49:21] <wesolows> You wanna talk about it, go ahead.  I'll just ignore you.
[20:49:59] * bubbva is away: away
[20:50:51] <g4lt-sb100> wesolows, would a "switch role" command ala su be useful in your opinion?
[20:51:28] <richlowe> by like su do you mean "su".
[20:51:33] <e^ipi> heh
[20:51:38] <sommerfeld> "su" is the switch role command
[20:51:44] <richlowe> or are you referring to the bit earlier, where I said that sudo'ing to roles is about the only useful way it could interact with RBAC?
[20:52:15] <richlowe> What they're currently ignoring, in large part, is that if they want to ship sudo, they need to add audit support, etc.
[20:52:18] <richlowe> by decree.
[20:52:21] <richlowe> and until they do, they aren't shipping it.
[20:52:36] * richlowe points at the arc policies
[20:53:33] <g4lt-sb100> richlowe, basically, yes, without involving you ;)
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[20:56:07] <richlowe> well, I stand by it, not that I think it's particularly useful, but that it's the only vaguely useful way I can currently imagine.
[20:56:19] <richlowe> everything else seems either frought with peril, or already there.
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[20:58:08] <wesolows> I put sudo and top in the same bucket: stuff we're better off without.
[20:59:54] <richlowe> there's a handful of features that are vaguely useful, in both.
[20:59:59] <richlowe> in the case of top it's certainly better to enhance prstat.
[21:00:08] <richlowe> in the case of sudo, I'm not sure enhancing rbac is sensible, as they serve different purposes.
[21:00:18] <CIA-17> ahrens: 6536043 arc_byteswap_func_t and dmu_byteswap_func_t are redundant, 6577527 simplify zfs {un}allow usage message, 6585775 zfs upgrade doesn't return a non-zero status when run as a normal user, 6589299 boolean properties should just use PROP_TYPE_INDEX, 6589310 "zfs inherit" should use its own ioctl, 6589880 Cannot upgrade filesystem's version by 'zpool upgrade', but the return code is zero, 6590488 property of 'version' should inherit forbid
[21:00:19] <CIA-17> meem: 6589899 ip_sioctl_plink_ipmod() may exit an IPSQ it didn't enter
[21:00:24] <richlowe> unless you consider "assume godhood in some fashion" to be the sole feature of either.
[21:00:37] <wesolows> I'm not so sure about that - it seems to be that sudo is used by people who can't be bothered to understand and deploy rbac.
[21:00:49] <richlowe> in which case, we should certainly suggest that people manifest themselves with rbac.
[21:01:06] <wesolows> Much like top is used by people who can't be bothered to go learn about prstat.
[21:01:32] <wesolows> Genuine feature gaps should be identified and addressed as RFEs.  Dumping another load of crap into OpenSolaris isn't the right answer.
[21:01:45] <wesolows> (see also: libIDN)
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[21:14:21] <Shiv__> Anyone familiar with libxml2/libxslt packages ?
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[21:16:02] <Shiv__> libxml2 webpage says both libxml2 and libxml2-devel packages are required to build libxml, but libxml2-devel seems to be in rpm only (while libxml2 is a tarball as well)
[21:16:27] <Shiv__> I would like to build koffice on SX and it needs libxml2
[21:16:49] <alanc> that sounds like the typical Linux packaging split of a single source tarball into runtime & devel packages
[21:16:52] <WickedWicky> when you use spec files it's possible that the main package builds the -devel package as well. I.E: libid3lib
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[21:17:24] <alanc> why not just use the libxml2 in Solaris already?   you can't be running any modern Solaris without it
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[21:17:30] <WickedWicky> pkgtool build --download SFElibid3lib.spec builds the devel package and the "main" package
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[21:19:18] <WickedWicky> and SXCE seems to have the header files and libs to build against libxml2 already yeah
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[21:19:33] <WickedWicky> /usr/include/libxml2
[21:23:20] <Shiv__> I am familiar with building sub-packages. I do not see a SFElibid3lib.spec in SFE repository, do you mean SFElibid3tag.spec ?
[21:23:29] <WickedWicky> yea that
[21:23:45] <WickedWicky> you get my point ;-)
[21:24:32] <laca> Shiv__: it's actually SUNWlxml and SUNWlxml-devel in Solaris
[21:24:49] <Shiv__> Hey, if you mean subpackages, I am already familiar with it :)
[21:25:11] <laca> if you package needs it, you should put Requires: SUNWlxml and BuildRequires: SUNWlxml-devel in the spec file
[21:25:14] <WickedWicky> I am seriously screwed btw
[21:25:25] <WickedWicky> pkginfo: ERROR: pkginfo file is corrupt or missing
[21:25:30] <WickedWicky> that sounds sound right
[21:25:51] <laca> ouch
[21:26:23] <WickedWicky> and there was much rejoycing \o/
[21:26:46] <Shiv__> Laca: if a package is not built as part of ONNV &&  Not yet in SFE, but if present in Belenix, I would like to add a spec file for it.
[21:27:09] <laca> libxml2 is in SFW
[21:27:33] <Shiv__> So libxml2 does qualify to be worked upon for a spec file.
[21:27:39] <WickedWicky> sod it
[21:27:42] <WickedWicky> I am gonna reinstall
[21:27:56] <laca> Shiv__: i have one somewhere, let me find it
[21:28:48] <laca> Shiv__: there are spec files for libxml2 and libxslt in the gnome-2-12 branch of the JDS spec-files repo
[21:28:55] <laca> SUNWlxml.spec and SUNWlxsl.spec
[21:31:34] <Shiv__> laca: Can you given me the path?
[21:31:58] <Shiv__> Came across some old beta svn access on the mailing list...
[21:32:30] <laca> oh, sorry, gnome-2-10 seems pre-opensolaris, hold on
[21:33:18] <Shiv__> alanc: btw to your question about not using libxml2, the idea is to provide spec file support to as many softwares as possible.
[21:33:37] <laca> Shiv__: let me put it in SFE
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[21:34:20] <alanc> Shiv__: not sure why that's a useful thing to do there, just beware that if you break libxml2, you break SMF, libpool, libproject, and various other parts of ON that will cause you great pain
[21:35:14] <Shiv__> Will attempt to not duplicate something that is already been done or something that is already in a base package such as this.
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[21:39:55] <Shiv__> tomww: Did you receive my response?
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[21:41:28] <tomww> Shiv__: yes, just reading right now :-)
[21:42:22] * Tpenta yawns
[21:44:25] <e^ipi> hey Tpenta
[21:45:20] <Tpenta> hey there
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[21:45:43] * bubbva is back (gone 00:55:44)
[21:50:13] <Shiv__> It is 1:15am here. Time to sleep...yawn...
[21:50:30] <Shiv__> bye all...
[21:51:01] <Shiv__> Laca: We'll be using #bosug as the IRC channel.
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[22:10:03] * tomww learned the time-consuming way why he should under no circumstances use other OSses anymore
[22:10:19] <oxygene> why?
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[22:13:46] <tomww> because of ***** disk-path registration and access strategies
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[22:24:26] <RElling> Death of OSes predicted, news at 11... http://newsletter.eetimes.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/hBBnU0Ht4360FrK0FRUL0EF
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[22:28:54] <quasi> RElling: is that the vmware "promotional materials"?
[22:29:18] <RElling> natch
[22:29:32] <Tpenta> 'ello richard
[22:31:24] <quasi> no ldoms mentioned, what a shocker ;)
[22:32:49] <elops> my jumpstart server's raid dieing
[22:32:54] <elops> what could be the possible causes?
[22:33:20] <tomww> ask FaultManager?
[22:36:09] <elops> I hate SysV INIT :/
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[22:37:52] <elops> Tpenta, is SysV INIT vital?
[22:38:09] <Tpenta> i'm not quite sure why you ask
[22:38:18] <Tpenta> it's pretty central
[22:39:02] <elops> do you have problem with it?
[22:39:20] <sommerfeld> elops: the sysvish properties of the solaris init have largely been replaced by SMF
[22:39:23] <Tpenta> only when it was broken a few years back
[22:39:50] <Tpenta> what problem are you having with it?
[22:40:03] <Tpenta> good afternoon bill
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[22:42:17] <elops> it's annoying to have to edit init.d then the runlevel scripts
[22:42:29] <Tpenta> that's what smf is for now
[22:42:38] <Tpenta> as bill said
[22:42:41] <elops> I like changing it in rc.conf like on freebsd for example and just being done with it
[22:42:51] <Tpenta> it's just something different to get used to
[22:43:09] <RElling> rc.local was a hell-hole...
[22:43:18] <PerterB> back when all BSD had was rc.local, sysv init seemed pretty neat
[22:43:25] <Tpenta> with the old sysv scriopts, indeed with an rc.conf, you can get into hang problems if something is broken. less likely with smf. smf also allows you to build a dependancy tree and start things in parallel
[22:43:27] <sommerfeld> RElling: which is why NetBSD did /etc/rc.d
[22:43:41] <e^ipi> elops, svcadm & friends
[22:45:12] <elops> does it have advantes over rc.conf/
[22:45:57] <elops> advantages*
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[22:46:13] <Tpenta> yes, like theones i just mentioned
[22:46:14] <sommerfeld> parallel startup.  automatic restart on failure.
[22:46:29] <Tpenta> startup hang avoidance
[22:46:44] <sommerfeld> faster console login prompt
[22:46:46] <tomww> provide multiple instances of a service, each with own parameters...
[22:47:02] <trygvis> anyone know if sun is working on vmware support?
[22:47:23] <tomww> added software may savely insert theyr own smf-service via import...
[22:47:28] <Tpenta> solaris is a supported guest. As for a host, that would be vmware's work
[22:47:33] <Tpenta> we don't have the vmware code
[22:47:36] <PerterB> faster console login prompt is a bit of a mixed blessing... most admins are used to the system being completely up at that point
[22:47:50] <trygvis> yeah, I know. but having the vmware tools stuff supported too would be nice
[22:47:54] <Tpenta> the ability to get a shell before ANYTHING starts
[22:48:50] <elops> Tpenta, how so?
[22:48:53] <RElling> PerterB: the concept of "system is up" doesn't apply very well anymore... even for windoze
[22:49:10] <PerterB> fair point
[22:49:35] <RElling> for that matter, "system is down" is fuzzy too...
[22:49:54] <PerterB> not if you "init 5" ;)
[22:50:06] <Tpenta> have you ever had a machine that uses yp and the yp server is down? watch what happens to your boot in other startups; you hang. in solaris now, only the tools that require yp don't start, everything else does
[22:51:11] <axisys> elops: you can take a snapshot of all smf services with one command and keep that as backup
[22:51:12] <RElling> PerterB: but even if it is "off" there may still be an active network... listening for commands...
[22:52:07] <axisys> elops: anytime u have to make some maintenance you may not want to start a rc script during boot test.. with older version you have rename Sfiles and Kfiles.. not dynamic like now
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[22:53:05] <Tpenta> in my former life as an SA, the way that I often found out that a service had died was when the phone rang. SMF restarts stuff
[22:55:03] <richlowe> and the lack of finish scripts having to chew on much of /etc/rc?.d
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[23:12:34] <axisys> I am looking for few good scripts that will monitor the resource status of the non-global zones .. will orca do it?
[23:12:42] <axle_512> I have a weird OS and dtrace question
[23:12:45] <axisys> or may be snmp mibs
[23:12:56] <axisys> but non-global zone specifics
[23:13:04] <axle_512> I have a 64-bit program with some pretty big memory mapped regions
[23:13:24] <axle_512> It seems like when the process gets bigger than the physical ram of the machine, things slow way down.
[23:13:43] <axle_512> I am trying to figure out if it's because it's hitting the disk while accessing the mapped regions
[23:13:50] <axle_512> is that possible to do using dtrace?
[23:14:12] <sommerfeld> axle_512: yes.  you may also want to look at trapstat(1m)
[23:14:42] <axle_512> sommerfeld:  I looked at bit at that.  trapstat works only on sparc, as far as I can tell? :(
[23:14:49] <sommerfeld> you're on amd64?
[23:14:54] <axle_512> yes
[23:16:17] <sommerfeld> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223/6mlkidlkq?a=view
[23:16:37] <sommerfeld> there are a bunch of probes which fire on various paging-related events
[23:16:52] <axle_512> ok, cool.  Let me read that and see if I can find a way to measure it.
[23:16:58] <trygvis> when I nfs mount my /home on a new solaris installation, how come my id (25889) is mapped to nobody?
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[23:18:09] <sommerfeld> the soffice.bin example in that page is probably a good first step
[23:18:37] <axle_512> sommerfeld:  thanks!
[23:19:35] <axisys> so is orca any good for non-global zones ... i want monitor the resources?
[23:20:18] <tomww> trygvis: nfs-version and client/server which OS?
[23:20:37] <richlowe> orca the screenreader?
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[23:21:04] <trygvis> b67 on both
[23:21:38] <axisys> richlowe: wait.. am i saying the name wrong..
[23:21:38] <trygvis> zfs with sharenfs on the server
[23:21:48] <richlowe> wow.
[23:21:55] <richlowe> stevel: I recommend not replying to bonnie's mail.
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[23:22:00] <richlowe> stevel: vacation messages by the dozen!
[23:22:31] <axisys> richlowe: no orca the monitoring tool.. let me find a url
[23:23:15] <axisys> richlowe: this one http://www.orcaware.com/orca/
[23:24:26] <trygvis> tomww: got a clue?
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[23:25:59] <trygvis> for some reason the user id is getting squashed but not the group (both are 25889)
[23:26:15] <stevel> richlowe: rofl
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[23:31:51] <tomww> hmm. I assume it is a nfsv4-mount with the nfsv4-userid-mapping stuff.
[23:32:53] <tomww> so, something is wrong with the export (the client-user is not root, right?) or with the userid-mapping... any firewalling? or some missing services?
[23:34:19] <trygvis> the client is 25899
[23:34:26] <trygvis> no firewall, all services should be running
[23:35:09] <tomww> ah, same nfsv4-domain???
[23:35:19] <trygvis> dunno
[23:35:38] <sommerfeld> yeah, definitely needs to be the same nfsv4-domain or else they get mapped to nobody
[23:36:45] <tomww> who is responsible here for spending points? *g* if this was the missing puzzle
[23:36:49] <trygvis> how do I control that?
[23:37:42] <SYS64738> why scinstall is telling me this: scinstall:  /global/.devices/node@1 is not found ?
[23:38:15] <tomww> trygvis: not shure, but /etc/default/nfs
[23:38:33] <tomww> NFSMAPID_DOMAIN=domain-string
[23:38:36] <trygvis> ok, thanks. rebooting the box now
[23:38:43] <Shinden> i hawe question - im using opensolaris he getst IP from router i wanna chance default nameservers - where may i find opensolaris dhcp client configuration ?
[23:38:46] <trygvis> is it derived from the hostname?
[23:38:51] <tomww> yea, solaris never need reboots :)
[23:39:05] <trygvis> right
[23:40:13] <Shinden> i hawe question - im using opensolaris he getst IP from router i wanna chance default nameservers - where may i find opensolaris dhcp client configuration ?
[23:40:43] <tomww> best chances to adjust the routers idea of what is to be sent via dhcp ....
[23:41:09] <Shinden> yep
[23:41:17] <Shinden> but i wanna do it only on 1 machine
[23:41:24] <Shinden> with solaris
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[23:41:32] <Shinden> in linux i change dhcp client
[23:41:39] <Shinden> what to do in solaris ? :D
[23:42:12] <SYS64738> Shinden, in linux you change /etc/resolv.conf
[23:44:01] <Shinden> SYS64738: no if u got dhcp client
[23:44:12] <Shinden> when u reboot will be new settings
[23:44:18] <Shinden> from router
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[23:50:55] <Triskelios> Shinden: /etc/dhcp/inittab can be a custom script, see man dhcpagent. also /etc/default/dhcp configures what information the dhcp client can request from the server
[23:50:58] <Triskelios> er
[23:51:18] <Triskelios>  /etc/dhcp/eventhook, not /etc/dhcp/inittab
[23:52:43] <Shinden> i will check
[23:53:31] <Triskelios> eventhook does not exist by default unless you installed inetmenu. you can just put a simple shell script there to replace /etc/resolv.conf if you want
[23:56:00] <Shinden> thx 4 advice i will look at this files :}
[23:56:03] <Triskelios> woo, f-spot works
[23:56:19] <Triskelios> laca: I have lots of changes in my SFE tree now if you're interested...
[23:56:34] <Triskelios> trying to get banshee working currently
[23:57:10] <jbk> hello
[23:57:12] <SYS64738> what's the dir .devices ?
[23:57:12] <trygvis> how can I tell what the nfs client currently has configured as it's nfsv4 domain?
[23:59:45] <sommerfeld>  /devices is a virtual filesystem containing directories and device nodes for physical devices in the system, set up to mirror how the devices are plugged together





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