[00:00:19] <CIA-26> jojemann: 6354418 ??? entries hang around for long time
[00:00:20] <CIA-26> dm120769: backout 6588702/6588839: not reviewed
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[00:01:14] <tomww> yes, read http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/dtracing_off_cpu_time
[00:06:12] <brendang> and don't be intimidated by my approach - there are *tons* of different ways to solve this sort of issue (most of them using DTrace); you only need to figure out one way to solve your problem.
[00:06:32] <brendang> a quick way would be to run pstack on the ssh process while it was off-cpu. the answer may already be in the stack trace.
[00:06:54] <brendang> you might need to check both the client ssh, and the server's sshd
[00:07:20] <sommerfeld> of course ipnodes is now a symlink to hosts
[00:07:30] <bda> (yay)
[00:07:39] <brendang> yay +1
[00:07:43] <axisys> sommerfeld: now means sol 10 u4 ?
[00:08:01] <sommerfeld> now means nevada.  i'm not sure whether it made it into an s10 update
[00:08:34] <axisys> sommerfeld: ofcourse.. i am using snv_56 and I see the symlink
[00:08:48] <coffman> axisys: thats so old
[00:08:56] <axisys> coffman: i know :P
[00:09:47] <bda> snv_69 is the new snv_56.
[00:09:59] <coffman> lol
[00:10:00] <bda> Man, that makes me want to watch Josie and the Pussycats. >_>
[00:12:05] <axisys> hehe
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[00:24:16] <MindDrive> Are there serious issues with volume management with the latest developer release?  Trying to burn a CD on my system fails (can't seem to find the CD drive) and also hangs my JDS session hard for 30 seconds at a time every couple of minutes.
[00:24:33] <MindDrive> I can't even kill the cdrw process now, even though I've ejected the CD media.
[00:25:39] <MindDrive> Not only that, but the drive "reading" light is solid green, and I can't shut down rmvolmgr
[00:26:26] <MindDrive> I just remembered that this is also an issue with my Sol10U2 install on my desktop at home; can't start up vold and put anything in the CD/DVD drive or it hangs hard.
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[00:27:21] <MindDrive> (It seems that Sun still has a long way to go with handling removable media properly.)
[00:28:59] <sstallion> does anyone know offhand what user in.tftpd attempts to chroot as?
[00:29:02] <oxygene> MindDrive: if burning fails, maybe your system is using non-dma access for the burner for some weird reason?
[00:30:14] <MindDrive> It's not just burning: simply putting a blank disc into the drive was enough to cause the system to go nuts.
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[01:58:34] <coffman> so if i have a zpool based on one disk, and add another one. after that i increase the number of copies on a single (z)fs.
[01:58:54] <coffman> where while the copy be? on the new disk, right?
[02:00:16] <CIA-26> michen: 6519579 need name service configuration for labeled zone access to an isolated name space, 6562771 getspnam(3C) requires more than all privs, 6577639 system/name-service-cache starting incorrectly on snv_67+, 6585350 nss_nisplus: getbymember() does not follow the NSS_DBOP_GROUP_BYMEMBER protocol
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[02:13:44] <Stealthey> Hello..
[02:13:55] <Stealthey> Is it me, or noone is talking?
[02:14:09] <jpipkin> it's you.
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[02:14:34] <Stealthey> Ah,
[02:14:45] <Stealthey> I am so new to this thing..
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[02:19:26] <Chipdancer> morning all
[02:20:03] <Chipdancer> I have a 7.5TB RAID6 array that I'm planning to use with ZFS.  Can anybody suggest some reasonable partition layouts for managing data on such a large area of space?
[02:20:32] <Chipdancer> Also, with ZFS, is it relatively easy to shrink and expand partitions/areas within a zfs pool?
[02:20:47] <tsoome> give full lun to zfs
[02:20:58] <tsoome> and forget about partitioning
[02:21:09] <Chipdancer> tsoome: so what's the correct way to present it?
[02:21:27] <tsoome> man zpool?
[02:21:39] <tsoome> :)
[02:21:42] <Chipdancer> yeah, I've been reading through that
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[02:21:44] <Chipdancer> :)
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[02:22:00] <tsoome> it's all documented there
[02:22:24] <Chipdancer> tsoome: the bigger questions remain - suggestions on data management and capabilities of resizing storage segments within the zpool?
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[02:22:40] <jamesd__> damm and i thought this place had no pitty. ;-)
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[02:23:37] <palowoda> Chipdancer: The zfs best practices guide is also good: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide
[02:23:45] <Chipdancer> thanks palowoda
[02:23:48] <tsoome> just add the disks as you like - if you have mirror, add another pair etc
[02:23:55] <Gekkko> Nobody sleeps
[02:23:56] <Gekkko> :P
[02:24:56] <Chipdancer> tsoome: I think I'll keep this LUN separate from any other ZFS devices/pools given the hardware raid6 it's providing, but if I was to extend this zpool, is it possible to mark this LUN as having redundancy inherently and any other disks added to it to be managed redundantly by the pool?
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[02:25:33] <pitty> is there a way to prevent an app from using a particular port number?
[02:25:56] <pitty> i need a certain port for RDMS but syslogd keeps taking it upon reboot
[02:26:17] <pitty> if i restart syslogd then it using the next one up
[02:26:22] <jamesd> use netcat to open the port, or  edit the config file or pass an argument telling it to use another port
[02:26:45] <pitty> on solaris ? netcat ?
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[02:27:20] <tsoome> Chipdancer: well if you read the zpool man, you can see how you can add devices - to be striped or mirrored or any other..
[02:27:23] <jamesd> it works on any platform, if a socket is open it can't be reoppened
[02:27:37] <tsoome> pitty:  what makes you think netcat cant be run on solaris?
[02:27:42] <jamesd> without killing the app that is keeping it open.
[02:28:00] <Chipdancer> tsoome: yes, I can see that, what I'm trying to work out is if it is a completely manual process or if the zpool stored information has information about redundancy etc
[02:28:36] <pitty> jamesd: this is my first time hearing about netcat - i am not doubting anything you say, is it a 3rd party app ?
[02:28:37] <tsoome> no you tell how you like to set the redundancy config
[02:28:45] <Chipdancer> ok
[02:28:52] <tsoome> if its striped, mirrored or raid(z)
[02:29:14] <palowoda> netcat is on blastwave.
[02:29:14] <jamesd> pitty, its a gnu or bsd app not sure... but it is freeware
[02:29:38] <Chipdancer> ok, so once I have configured this LUN into a zpool, is there a way to present sub-portions (ala slices/partitions) of that pool as separate mount points?
[02:29:49] <jmcp> zfs create sink/home
[02:29:56] <jmcp> mount -F zfs sink/home /mountpoint
[02:29:57] <jmcp> iirc
[02:30:20] <Chipdancer> jmcp: thanks, I couldn't quite see that easily in zpool(1M)
[02:30:33] <tsoome> not exactly
[02:30:34] <jmcp> because it's in the zfs(1M) manpage
[02:30:41] <jmcp> tsoome: yeah ... bit hazy on the syntax
[02:30:45] <jmcp> but that's the gist of it
[02:30:57] <tsoome> this mount works only if you have legacy type set
[02:30:58] <pitty> is that the only way to stop syslog from arbitrarily taking a port?
[02:30:59] <jbk> for legacy mount points?
[02:31:03] <jbk> yeah
[02:31:11] <jbk> otherwise zfs mount pool/foo
[02:31:20] <jmcp> zfs set mountpoint=/mountpoint sink/home
[02:31:21] <jmcp> etc
[02:31:24] <jmcp> then zfs mount
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[02:32:00] <Chipdancer> in that example, can sink/home have a fixed size smaller than sink?
[02:32:17] <jamesd> Chipdancer, yes.. you can give it a quota
[02:32:40] <jamesd> and/or a reservation so that it will be guaranteed  space
[02:32:53] <Chipdancer> jamesd: thanks, ok, it's starting to make some sense how zfs deals with this
[02:33:08] <Chipdancer> I think I need to spend some more time with teh best practices guide
[02:33:12] <jmcp> Chipdancer: remember to modload (zfs::paradigm_shift)
[02:33:41] <Chipdancer> jmcp: paradigm_shift?  what functionality is that providing?
[02:33:48] <jamesd> Chipdancer, you can even turn on compression on just that one filesystem...
[02:33:53] * jmcp pokes tongue out @ Chipdancer
[02:34:07] <Chipdancer> jamesd: neat, these are some features I was not aware of
[02:34:18] <Chipdancer> jamesd: can you enable compression of a fs at a later stage?
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[02:34:26] <jmcp> yep
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[02:34:37] <jmcp> hi purserj
[02:34:42] <Chipdancer> morning purserj
[02:34:43] <jmcp> Chipdancer: you can even disable it again if you want
[02:34:44] <jamesd> Chipdancer, yes, but  it wont effect storage untill the files are changed.. it wont go back and compress them.
[02:35:09] <jamesd> new files/blocks will be written back compressed.
[02:35:13] <jmcp> Chipdancer: zfs set compression=on sink/home
[02:35:17] <Chipdancer> sounds like an ideal setting for a Maildir filesystem
[02:36:01] <jamesd> Chipdancer, and you can take snapshots (read only copies), of your data, that can be rolled back or read should the need to arrise
[02:36:25] <Chipdancer> does zfs compression run per file, or is it more intelligent where if you have large numbers of small files it will combine them in terms of block usage to avoid large amounts of unused space at the end of each block?
[02:36:44] <jmcp> it's per-block, as I understand it
[02:36:57] <jmcp> and yes, writes and reads are coalesced
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[02:37:06] <jmcp> you have a variable blocksize, too
[02:37:09] <jmcp> if you want
[02:37:10] <jamesd> Chipdancer, but zfs block sizes are variable :-)
[02:37:13] <Chipdancer> jmcp: drat, doesn't really help for the Maildir example as much then
[02:37:20] <jamesd> Chipdancer, http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-zfs-for-home.html
[02:37:38] <jbk> Chipdancer: why?
[02:37:45] <jbk> any new files coming in would be compressed
[02:38:02] <jmcp> Chipdancer: delete your existing assumptions about inodes
[02:38:03] <jamesd> Chipdancer, zfs can use blocks as small as 512 bytes, so a file can be  1k of space, 512 metadata + 512 data
[02:38:20] <Chipdancer> jbk: I would be concerned about the overhead of having 1k block sizes with hundreds of thousands of small files
[02:38:39] <jmcp> Chipdancer: you really should go and read the bonwick, moore, schrock et al presentations
[02:38:42] <jamesd> Chipdancer, its part of ZFS's design no real slow down by lots of small files
[02:38:43] <jmcp> which talk about the design
[02:38:54] <jmcp> heck, I've got a version of them too
[02:39:11] <Chipdancer> jmcp: isn't bonwick the dtrace guy I saw at SOSUG last year?
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[02:39:17] <jmcp> nope
[02:39:24] <jmcp> that would have been Bryan Cantrill
[02:39:29] <jmcp> or perhaps Brendan Gregg
[02:39:31] <Chipdancer> ahh, right :)
[02:39:34] <jamesd> Chipdancer, no,  bonwick wrote/developed/invented ZFS
[02:39:41] <jbk> i seem to vaguely recall someone using a filebench to simulate a maildir type setup w/ zfs
[02:39:52] <Chipdancer> jamesd: thanks, it's been a few years since I worked on solaris
[02:39:57] <jbk> did he talk/think _very_ fast? :)
[02:40:00] <oninoshiko> i think i broke it :(
[02:40:09] <jmcp> Chipdancer: http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/~jmcp/ZFS_SOSUG17oct2005_preso.pdf - a bit out of date, but the basics are the same
[02:40:12] <jmcp> jbk: of course he did :)
[02:40:15] <jmcp> ah, that's right
[02:40:24] <jbk> i mean in trying to figure out which person it was :)
[02:40:36] <jmcp> Bryan said to us "we're not leaving until I've shown Brendan something that he doesn't already know about DTrace"
[02:40:40] <Chipdancer> jbk: yep, that's the one, very very fast and for someone (me) who was new to dtrace, kinda overwhelming :)
[02:40:41] <jmcp> so it was a looooong night
[02:40:50] <jamesd> Chipdancer, forget most of what you knew about solaris, its all changing these days.
[02:40:50] <jbk> hehe
[02:40:58] 
[02:41:01] <jmcp> jamesd: I've been telling him that ...
[02:41:18] <jmcp> Chipdancer: they're both ubergeeks
[02:41:21] <jbk> i had a chance to meet him (as well as a few other solaris developers) a few years ago at a convention.. was very cool
[02:41:25] <jamesd> jmcp, i know...
[02:41:26] <jmcp> but Brendan was sitting, Bryan was standing
[02:41:29] <jbk> especially since i lived/worked in an IT wasteland :)
[02:41:32] <brendang> am I dreaming, or are people really saying that :)
[02:41:45] <brendang> yes, we like to think we are ubergeeks
[02:41:53] <jmcp> brendang: you ain't dreaming
[02:42:01] <jmcp> this is not your The Castle moment
[02:42:18] <jamesd> its getting painful to go to work, i'm working on mostly solaris 8 boxes, and everytime i go to solve a problem, i wish i had a solaris 8 only tool, zfs, dtrace, smf, fmadm, RBAC etc....
[02:42:39] <jamesd> er s/8 only/10 only/
[02:42:49] <Chipdancer> jmcp: there's extremely good coffee on offer if you wanted a quick visit :)
[02:42:51] <jbk> jamesd: i know the feeling
[02:42:58] <brendang> Chipdancer: I was based in Sydney, now I'm in San Francisco...
[02:43:06] <jmcp> Chipdancer: sold
[02:43:09] <Chipdancer> brendang: neat, are you enjoying it there?
[02:43:12] * jmcp wanders off to chip's place
[02:43:22] <jbk> this place neglected to tell me 'oh by the way, we're phasing out all our other apps in this division (including stuff on Solaris) and replacing them all with one giant app running on linux'
[02:43:28] <Chipdancer> (geez, *that* was easy :))
[02:43:50] <brendang> Chipdancer: it's good. But there is no cricket on any of the 500 cable channels. :(
[02:44:26] <brendang> Chipdancer: and there are no meat pies anywhere.
[02:44:30] <Chipdancer> brendang: yeah, I can imagine the pain... and unfortunately since you're now in the centre of the universe, the torrents of everythings is non-existent
[02:44:42] <jamesd> brendang, you can move to wisconsin, we have groups here that play cricket, but only with a soft ball, one of my co-workers is upset by the use of the soft ball
[02:44:53] <Chipdancer> brendang: but you can wander down to pier 42 (or whatever it was) and get hot seafood chowder :)
[02:44:56] <brendang> jamesd: soft ball - interesting...
[02:45:28] <jbk> brendang: hmm.. i should see what my friend has
[02:45:35] <jbk> he gets all the international channels
[02:45:54] <Chipdancer> brendang: check out satellite reception, it might be worthwhile to get a DVB-S card and a small dish
[02:46:02] <brendang> jamesd: it might make sense; there isn't readily available sport grounds in the US to go play cricket in, rather much smaller parks. I've been wondering how to adapt cricket to work in such spaces (without reinventing baseball ;)
[02:46:07] <jbk> and if they have a channel that shows 'ethopian idol', i can't imagine it should be hard to find something a little less obscure :)
[02:46:31] <Chipdancer> jbk: reality tv, it's ubiquitous, no?
[02:46:34] <jamesd> brendang, we have some bigger parks here in the
[02:46:46] <jbk> it was quite amusign to watch while drunk :)
[02:46:47] <brendang> jbk: cool
[02:46:50] <jamesd> midwest.. out in california its probably too expensive to have large parks
[02:47:05] <jbk> a guy singing, the band was a guy on a casio keyboard
[02:47:14] <Chipdancer> sadly, when I was in Europe in 99/00 I got to see the first season of Big Brother and thought amusing idea, but I hope we don't get it...  when I got home I got a real shock
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[02:47:47] <brendang> jamesd: you might be right. a full sized cricket ground takes up a lot of real estate.
[02:47:51] <jbk> i don't even have cable anymore :)
[02:47:58] <jbk> i never really got into the reality tv shows
[02:48:07] <Chipdancer> brendang: define full-sized cricket ground?  They vary so very much in size
[02:48:36] <brendang> Chipdancer: true. something bigger than a baseball ground.
[02:48:39] <jamesd> does anyone know what version of nevada has trunking for hme cards built in, i can't think of what its called...
[02:48:55] <jamesd> er s/hme/qfe/
[02:49:00] <jbk> i bet gdamore knows
[02:49:23] <jamesd> yeah that is who ported the driver :-)
[02:49:24] <brendang> Chipdancer: ... I paid US$100 (a discount, was US$250) to watch the Ashes over the internet...
[02:49:40] <Chipdancer> brendang: farq!  that's horrendous!
[02:50:05] <Chipdancer> brendang: you need to setup a mythtv box and put it at someone's house/co-lo provider
[02:50:14] <brendang> Chipdancer: I missed the world cup as it remained at US$250..
[02:50:29] <brendang> Chipdancer: ahh, now that's a good idea :)
[02:50:30] <Chipdancer> brendang: now, with DVB-S, you probably could have picked up the world cup
[02:50:51] <Chipdancer> brendang: your issue of course would be making sure they had enough upstream bandwidth to make it viable to get home
[02:51:06] <jamesd> brendang, sounds like you need a satelite dish... not one of the little ones, but a full size one that can pick up internation feeds.
[02:51:07] <Chipdancer> brendang: got any friends with a co-lo and tv reception?
[02:51:26] <brendang> Chipdancer: yep. I know some people who could do it..
[02:52:24] <brendang> jamesd: I could try to get a satellite dish.. I do live in an apartment block with about 80 apartments in, so the roof may already be crammed with dishes
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[02:53:59] <jbk> brendang: do you have a south-ish facing balcony?
[02:54:17] <brendang> jbk: no balcony
[02:55:35] <jbk> oh sucky
[02:56:14] <brendang> I have "EA Sports Cricket 2002" for PC. I could run it in demo mode and pretend it was on the TV....
[02:56:26] <jbk> haha
[02:59:45] <jbk> btw, might want to check out couchville.com w/ different providers, see if you can find anything
[03:00:18] <CIA-26> dm120769: backout 6354418: fails lint and sischeck
[03:04:54] * Chipdancer and jmcp have coffee :)
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[03:18:50] <brendang> jamesd: joining the fun I see (blogs.sun.com/ahl) :)
[03:20:44] <brendang> ... anyone know what Roland did with the ksh93 shell coding guidlines website? I can't find it...
[03:21:11] <jamesd>   brendang yeah..   and really they should of just used  kprobes/uprobes and ported the rest of dtrace... they have set them selves up for a night mare, they want to create special code for each and every interface they  probe so they can use properly named variables but it really shoots themselves in the foot, with there ustable api/abi.
[03:27:41] <jbk> haha i read that earlier :)
[03:29:07] <jbk> perhaps i didn't look close enough, but the last time i looked at systemtap, it seemed like they either were ignoring the halting problem or thought they could solve it
[03:30:44] <jamesd> jbk, yes they are ignoring it by using a timer/counter  an application has X time or x instructions to run, before  systemtap tries to take control back and halt that probe...  its fine when it all works, but there are too many damm hidden corner cases that wont come up untill you try running it on a busy production box that it causes to crash.
[03:33:40] <jamesd> i now work in a production environment and yes we do have a handful of linux boxes,  some pretty big by linux standards,  8 cpus and 32GB of ram and i dont want  8 divisions  + operations yelling and demanding to know why there production box just crashed/rebooted in the middle of business hours... hell it takes 30 days notice just to get permssion to patch and reboot the boxes on a slow saturday night at midnight.
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[03:35:17] <jbk> did they ever get their whiz-bang super-high-speed kernel->userland copy scheme working? :)
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[03:36:09] <jamesd> no, i managed to crash it more times than i care to remember, without doing anything more than 20 lines of  systemtap code, usually much less.
[03:36:55] <jamesd> at  work we run the box version of rhel with as little changes as possible... we dont want the headaches should we ever have to call rhel support.
[03:37:26] <jbk> the few times i've dealt with rhel support they haven't been bad
[03:37:32] <jbk> much better than ibm's linux support
[03:37:36] <jbk> which seems to consist of
[03:37:46] <jbk> 'we'll type in your problem into google for you'
[03:39:09] <jamesd> luckily my division of the company is 90% fujitsu  so we dont have to deal with ibm like most of the corp people.. it takes  3 phone calls and 3 days to get a ticket openned up for a sun box.. that they have over 1000 of.
[03:41:49] <jbk> one thing i don't get -- is the mythical linux hardware support
[03:42:00] <jbk> installing rhel 4 on an hp gl585
[03:42:06] <jbk> for example
[03:42:11] <jbk> that's 'supported'
[03:42:29] <jbk> well, in actuality, it requires some magic boot argument incantations to not crash
[03:42:52] <jbk> that don't seem well documented in any sort of hardware documentation
[03:43:07] <jbk> you just google the error and hope the workaround someone suggests works
[03:45:03] <jamesd> i have been at this company a month, and so far the only linux issue that has came up is a bad config file in  logrotate.conf  its parser is stupid  "#compress" is invalid, but  "# compress" is not valid, anyline starting with "#" no matter what character comes after it should be a comment.
[03:45:24] <jamesd> er s/not//
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[04:03:03] <myrkraverk> is there some reason tar doesn't handle the gtar long filename extension?
[04:04:20] <myrkraverk> to be precise, for me, qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.0.tar.gz isn't extracted properly with tar, only with gtar
[04:12:10] <jbk> known bug w/ how gnu tar deals with long filenames
[04:12:27] <jamesd> because  sun tar was invented many moons before gtar  back before the filesystems supported long names.. and as schilly loves pointing out, sun tar is not posix compatible
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[04:26:31] <myrkraverk> hmm, ok; are there plans to make it posix?
[04:30:22] <jamesd> myrkraverk, google or search opensolaris.org   for  star  intergration and enjoy the nice long threads/flamefests.
[04:32:19] <myrkraverk> jamesd: hmm, ok
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[05:00:22] <CIA-26> ksadhukh: 6563585 prtconf reports wrong cache-level on x86 systems having 4MB (associative=16, line-size=64) L2 cache
[05:01:10] <moazamraja> jamesd: where u at nowadays?
[05:01:16] <moazamraja> i.e., company/location ?
[05:01:19] <moazamraja> (sun?)
[05:02:03] <jamesd> moazamraja,  wells fargo, investment division  menonee falls(sp?)
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[05:03:03] <jbk> hmm that's mildly annoying -- the c/c++ addon for netbeans doesn't seem to parse structs defined within a .c file, only .h
[05:03:07] <Teknomancer> morning everyone
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[05:08:44] <moazamraja> jamesd: cool, sysadmin?
[05:10:08] <andyshack> james, i need a passwd policy. whatas a good way of sending passwds to remote users etc. ?
[05:11:01] <andyshack> pgp them a temp password and then have them change it upon first login ?
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[05:16:26] <jamesd> moazamraja, yeah... member of the unixteam  is the official title
[05:16:52] <Teknomancer> anyone knows how to setup a USB wireless card (and dial using it) in Solaris?
[05:16:57] <Teknomancer> in linux one would use wvdial
[05:17:02] <jamesd> andyshack, yes or have one of your webmasters create a webpage that is secure and allows them to change it.
[05:17:24] <Teknomancer> i tried setting up "myisp-chat" etc. but it never asked for phone number, and I didn't quite know which USB device to use..
[05:17:46] <andyshack> great party james.
[05:17:47] <Teknomancer> i have a USB wireless modem, how can i dial using solaris (devx)
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[05:27:47] <moazamraja> Teknix: tip?
[05:27:54] <moazamraja> Teknomancer: tip ?  even
[05:28:35] <Teknomancer> ok man tip gives me some info. thanks
[05:28:39] <Teknomancer> will try it
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[05:40:51] <jamesd> hi karrotx
[05:41:00] <karrotx> hey
[05:42:08] <jamesd> how's life
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[07:00:24] <CIA-26> tomee: 6585997 core debugger should not depend on libm
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[07:40:37] <krithika> hpw to start jds in command line
[07:40:46] <krithika> *how
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[07:41:19] <krithika> can somebody tel me how to start jds in command line
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[07:46:25] <Teknomancer> xinit?
[07:48:16] <palowoda> Yeah somebody have a good .xinitrc to start up all the correct process?   It's just a pain to start up manually.  You could take a look at the gdm startup scripts and environment in /etc/X11/gdm to get some ideas.
[07:56:30] <IvanR_> Running /usr/dt/config/Xsession.jds by hand works, since that's what dtlogin uses.
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[08:05:04] <palowoda> Actually following it you could copy /usr/dt/config/Xinitrc.jds and create a custom .xinitrc  but what is the original problem to begin with?  dtlogin not starting up.  Or Xorg crashing.
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[08:07:57] <palowoda> One of these days Opensolaris will just go gdm rather than depending on dtlogin.  It's got to be on the emancipation project.
[08:10:14] <IvanR_> iirc, the plan is for virtual consoles, then switching to gdm.
[08:13:44] <jbk> anyone board and want to critique some code? :)
[08:14:09] <Chipdancer> jbk: ITYM bored
[08:14:19] <jbk> haha yeah.. it's late :)
[08:20:00] <jbk> http://pastebin.ca/645167 and http://pastebin.ca/645168
[08:20:23] <jbk> what i've done so far (after lots of wrangling, thinking, rewrite, etc.) for dis_sparc.c
[08:20:48] <jbk> so many damn corner cases, so it's taken some work to come up with what I think will do everything
[08:21:00] <jbk> and still be easy and straightforward to extend
[08:22:26] <Chipdancer> jbk: sorry, I'm not qualified to comment
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[08:29:56] <WickedWicky> morning all
[08:30:03] <Teknomancer> morning WickedWicky
[08:30:10] <Gekkko> erererer
[08:30:33] * WickedWicky hands you all a coffee
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[08:32:16] <Teknomancer> no coffee for me, its about lunch time :P
[08:32:29] <WickedWicky> milk then
[08:32:30] <andyshack> are you banned from coffee after lunch ?
[08:32:49] <andyshack> i just lifted my 2 week totally ban on coffee last night.
[08:33:28] <WickedWicky> how do you feel?
[08:33:50] <andyshack> pretty peaked.
[08:34:53] <Teknomancer> andyshack:  no its just that the coffee i have is different from black coffee that everyone else refers to
[08:34:59] <Teknomancer> mine is 95% milk, 5% coffee :P
[08:35:04] <WickedWicky> late
[08:37:24] <andyshack> right. i was talking push button seaco espressos. i tried some crazy coffee alternative once, rhubis. that stuff is horrible.
[08:38:49] <Teknomancer> whats espressos? the full black coffee?
[08:40:25] <andyshack> youre trolling me for the lulz right ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso
[08:46:18] <palowoda> Hmm, kind of interesting. The opensolaris virtual console project http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/vconsole/announcements/  has binaries but no source.
[08:57:46] <WickedWicky> how can I disable wbem as a service and make sure it doesnt get started by something else as a dependency?
[08:58:06] <jmcp> svcadm disable
[08:58:20] <palowoda> heh wrong window
[08:58:35] <palowoda> opps sorry right window
[08:58:38] <WickedWicky> lol
[08:58:43] <WickedWicky> more coffee palowoda?
[08:59:12] <WickedWicky> jmcp: I read your pdf btw. I understand now how you get the vdev ids, thank you
[08:59:13] <palowoda> yeah, after reading all the virtual console archive messages.
[09:00:11] <jmcp> WickedWicky: cool. Was there anything that you think I could have explained better?
[09:00:28] <WickedWicky> it also pointed out to me how important it is to set the unit 83 serial data in the StorEdge 3510s we have at work
[09:00:33] <WickedWicky> so you even gave me a "todo" list :P
[09:00:36] <jmcp> heh :)
[09:01:41] * jmcp tries to think of appropriate responses to comments on his blog
[09:01:50] <WickedWicky> no, actually, when you have a basic understanding of how drivers/kernel talks with hardware and read bits from the eeprom/chips it's very understandable
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[09:02:00] <jmcp> WickedWicky: thankyou.
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[09:10:26] <pjd-> How can I download zfs test suite from mercurial?
[09:10:34] <pjd-> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/test/ontest-stc2 test
[09:10:40] <pjd-> remote: Repository 'hg/test/ontest-stc2' inaccessible: No such file or directory.
[09:10:43] <pjd-> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
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[09:15:30] <palowoda> It might not really be there.  I'd pink stevel pacific time or post something on the zfs-discuss list.  Unless somebody has access to the internal directories and can check right now.
[09:15:47] <palowoda> s/pink/ping  boy I do need coffee
[09:16:08] <Tempt> http://slashdot.org/articles/07/08/03/0444220.shtml
[09:16:13] <pjd-> I sent an e-mail to zfs-discuss@.
[09:16:29] <Tempt> See the slashdot weenies complain about Niagra 2
[09:16:42] <palowoda> The thought of stevel in pink is warping my brain.
[09:17:49] <Doc> tempt: you made the fatal mistake - you read the comments
[09:17:54] <Doc> _never_ read the comments
[09:18:28] <Tempt> The comments are where the funny bits lie.
[09:19:07] <jmcp> Tempt: the comments are where the lies are
[09:19:14] <Tempt> Well, no crap.
[09:19:51] <Doc> jmcp: where are you living now? ie, what suburb?
[09:19:52] <Tempt> Still, I know I should be surprised by slashdot stupidity but I didn't expect there to be a ranting and railing against a new CPU.
[09:20:05] <Doc> tell them it'll run linux and they'll love it!
[09:20:14] <Doc> tell them it'll run vista and they'll hate it
[09:20:24] <Doc> solaris is somewhere in the middle
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[09:22:10] <jmcp> Doc: but more generally towards the "it's from Sun so we hate it by default because Sun is evil" side
[09:23:04] <jmcp> pjd-: looks like it's only available via the dlc.sun.com url at least for the moment
[09:23:18] <Doc> sun is slightly less evil there now days, but yeah, you're pretty much right
[09:23:22] <Tempt> That's the slashdot mantra.
[09:23:32] <Tempt> If it involves hating everything that isn't a linux, it's good.
[09:23:46] <purserj> I thought the slashdot mantra was "Sun is dying, netcraft has confirmed it..."
[09:23:57] <Tempt> If there is the slightest suggestion that there might possibly be the slightest chance of a potential alternative operating system, evil evil evil
[09:24:08] <jmcp> purserj: "... because they're evil and are taking soooooo long to audit 6+million LOC before making Java GPLv2"
[09:24:56] <purserj> meh
[09:25:09] <purserj> I'm not a huge of fan of java, so sun can keep it
[09:25:14] * jmcp reads the followup comments on http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/dtrace_knockoffs#comments
[09:25:19] <jmcp> purserj: I bet your phone runs it
[09:26:11] <purserj> jmcp: my phone is a phone only, no fancy bits
[09:26:16] <jmcp> boring!
[09:26:25] <jmcp> that's, like, soooooo 20th century
[09:26:28] <Tempt> The company that owns slashdot have a linux focus, obviously you're going to see a linux bias on slashdot.
[09:26:55] <purserj> So long as it can make/take calls and SMS
[09:27:00] <Tempt> purserj: Do you work for a company with more than 200 employees?
[09:27:07] <purserj> Tempt: nope, just me
[09:27:12] <jmcp> purserj: how are you going to make it in the web2.0 world if your phone only makes calls?
[09:27:12] <Tempt> Oh well.
[09:27:12] <jmcp> :-0
[09:27:24] <jmcp> :-) even
[09:27:30] <Tempt> That kills my "I bet there's Java in the chain of software that pays you" comment
[09:27:40] <purserj> jmcp: simple, I'll start droppng randm vowls frm ech wrd
[09:27:57] <jmcp> nice
[09:27:59] <Tempt> jv fr phn 2.0
[09:28:14] <Tempt> PHONEZR
[09:28:15] <jmcp> ffs
[09:28:28] <jmcp> comment #32 from"Chris Cox" ... he has nfi
[09:28:35] <Tempt> URL?
[09:28:46] <jmcp> http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/dtrace_knockoffs#comments
[09:29:36] * purserj notices jdub creeping into that photo
[09:30:00] <Tempt> haha
[09:30:03] <Tempt> That's just funny
[09:30:08] <bda> Funny is a word for it.
[09:30:10] <jmcp> so here's the easiest way to get comments on a blog entry - write something which expresses frustration with GPLv2 vs (CDDL + the World) and wait for the looonix wienies to find it
[09:30:20] <bda> Endemic might be another.
[09:30:25] <Tempt> bda: fucking stupid being a phrase to go with that word?
[09:30:29] <bda> :)
[09:30:56] <Doc> what Sun needs is a version of solaris that runs on x86 machines
[09:30:59] <Tempt> Do the world a favour; and punch a GPL zealot in the face this week. If everyone punches every GPL zealot they see in the face, perhaps they'll shut up.
[09:31:19] <Tempt> Solaris is just a linux distro anyway. Or a linux-like OS.
[09:31:31] <Tempt> I'm surprised Linus isn't suing them or something for taking his IP.
[09:31:54] <WickedWicky> You see, fun isn't something that is restricted to prideful engineers at Sun Microsystems.
[09:31:55] <Tempt> After all, before Linux turned up, everyone had to use Windows XP.
[09:31:56] <WickedWicky> yeah!
[09:31:57] <WickedWicky> see!
[09:31:59] <WickedWicky> you and your pride!
[09:32:05] <purserj> Hmm here's a question, would it possible to do something like Nvidia has done with their drivers to get DTrace working on Linux? That is have a GPL Shim sitting between the kernel itself and the module proper, using public system calls and no linking stuffs?
[09:32:16] <WickedWicky> now, I can post you some discussions from the lkml and then tell me who's showing off ego and pride :P
[09:32:37] <jmcp> purserj: more than probably
[09:32:43] <Tempt> Why not just laugh again and again at Linux weenies and their license problems and get back to our real operating system?
[09:32:54] <Tempt> I couldn't give two fucking hoots if linux has dtrace or zfs or anything else.
[09:33:06] <purserj> jmcp: so a solution presents, do I dare send it to LKML?
[09:33:23] <Tempt> The only important bit is watching the weenies cry because they can't have ZFS.
[09:33:28] <purserj> Hmm I could send it with a link to my political site and see what happens ;)
[09:33:58] <purserj> Tempt: sorry to say, ZFS isn't anything that makes me hot and bothered, I'm quite happy with ext3
[09:34:10] <jmcp> purserj: put an M1-Abrams MBT between you and the zealots
[09:34:23] <jmcp> purserj: lost any data today?
[09:34:28] <purserj> jmcp: nope
[09:34:31] <jmcp> oh hang on, that's reiserfs and xfs ...
[09:34:31] <libkeiser> purserj: but, linux has the added problem of the export_symbol module "abi" -- there are a ton of things you simply cannot do as a module.
[09:34:32] <jmcp> :-)
[09:34:43] <purserj> haven't had a filesystem bork in my entire time on linux
[09:34:44] <WickedWicky> purserj: try doing LVM under linux without offlining your data
[09:34:48] <WickedWicky> I tried
[09:35:03] <bda> WickedWicky: ?
[09:35:08] <purserj> See I mustn't be keeping up with the fads
[09:35:13] <Tempt> Alright guys, we only flame linux here, so take any potentially productive linux discussions to #linux.
[09:35:18] <purserj> heh
[09:35:19] <jmcp> wow. Matthew Garrett sure is aggregated in lots of places
[09:35:20] <WickedWicky> in Linux, when you want to extend your LVM, you have to unmount
[09:35:23] <bda> No you don't.
[09:35:29] <Tempt> in Linux, your LVM extends you!
[09:35:35] <LeftWing> Haha.
[09:35:38] <LeftWing> In Soviet Linux!
[09:35:43] <WickedWicky> yes you do, you have to fsck before you can use e2fsresize
[09:35:44] <purserj> See I'm old fashioned, I prefer RAID to be hardware managed
[09:35:47] <Tempt> LeftWing: Good afternoon!
[09:35:52] <bda> WickedWicky: Newer ext tools don't make you do that.
[09:36:01] <Tempt> (How did I know that comment would get him out of the woodwork today?)
[09:36:02] <WickedWicky> is that so?
[09:36:05] <libkeiser> so let me get this straight, linux blatantly copied aix lvm, and didn't even get it right?
[09:36:07] <bda> Pretty sure.
[09:36:16] <LeftWing> purserj: "Hardware RAID" is most often just software RAID where you can't see the software. =P
[09:36:19] <Teknomancer> oh oh linux vs solaris :P
[09:36:28] <purserj> libkeiser: I'm pretty sure that if its an IBM thing, that IBM put it there in the first place
[09:36:30] <WickedWicky> I dont vs everything
[09:36:37] <WickedWicky> I just tell you the nightmares I had
[09:36:40] <bda> WickedWicky: Other filesystems certainly don't require that (reiserfs, xfs, etc).
[09:36:43] <WickedWicky> and this was 2 months ago mind you
[09:36:44] <andyshack> purserj : zfs is most of the reason i use sun harware and software. its pretty cool stuff.
[09:36:46] <WickedWicky> yes
[09:36:47] <WickedWicky> xfs
[09:36:48] <WickedWicky> now thats cool
[09:36:51] <WickedWicky> you can enlarge
[09:36:52] <bda> Of course, if you are using reiserfs, you are asking for pain.
[09:36:54] <WickedWicky> but not shrink
[09:36:58] <bda> xfs has a funny little problem.
[09:37:03] <bda> It needs 4 blocks to extend.
[09:37:07] <WickedWicky> correct
[09:37:10] <libkeiser> purserj: no. ibm contributed a different lvm technology for linux which the weenies decided to throw away despite its vast superiority over lvm/lvm2
[09:37:10] <WickedWicky> and you cant shrink
[09:37:13] <bda> Which is hilarious the first time it happens.
[09:37:21] <bda> "What do you mean you don't have enough space to ... what?"
[09:37:27] <WickedWicky> lol
[09:37:28] <WickedWicky> been there
[09:37:29] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:37:33] <purserj> so whats the difference between a linux weenie and an OS weenie?
[09:37:35] <bda> Other than those two issues, xfs is nice.
[09:37:36] <Doc> hmm.. i'm bored - think i'll go write a Web 2.0 site.  anyone want to give me a few million dollars?
[09:37:41] <bda> reiserfs, though. Man.
[09:37:53] <LeftWing> Doc: How about $1.25?
[09:37:54] <bda> Three kernel panics a year, guarenteed. :(
[09:38:14] <Doc> plus a murder conviction to boot!
[09:38:15] <Tempt> I'll match LeftWing's $1.25
[09:38:28] <WickedWicky> are we talking US/CA/AU $?
[09:38:32] <purserj> is that what he's paying to get people to visit?
[09:38:32] <Tempt> I like reiserfs. The corruption reminds you when it's time to reinstall.
[09:38:36] <Doc> leftwing: done. Although i can only give you 5.8 million stock options for that amount
[09:38:40] <bda> Tempt: haha
[09:38:59] <Doc> wicked: actually they are all about the same now days
[09:39:06] <WickedWicky> I'm in then
[09:39:27] <LeftWing> Doc: When can I cash in my options?
[09:39:32] <bda> 2081.
[09:39:39] * purserj wonders if we can start calling the US$ the "Peso" when the Aussie dollar tops it
[09:39:49] <WickedWicky> I'm game! :P
[09:39:54] <Tempt> When the Aussie rupiah you mean?
[09:39:58] <Doc> leftwing: as soon as we start making a profit!
[09:40:07] <LeftWing> Doc: Marvellous! Next Tuesday, then, I should think.
[09:40:09] <jmcp> pacific bongo bucks
[09:40:12] <jmcp> sod this, beer time
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[09:40:22] <Tempt> mmm
[09:40:23] <Tempt> beer
[09:40:54] <purserj> well apparantly we're at 85 US cents at the moment
[09:41:13] <Tempt> The Aussie dollar will never top the US. If it makes it to 95c the US will just order Australia's cheery government to set fire to the economy to even things out.
[09:42:09] <palowoda> Not a bad idea of the US paying China in Peso's.
[09:42:16] <purserj> Thats assuming the Chinese don't suddenly call in their US Bonds
[09:42:35] <palowoda> They can have a few gold coarses in payment. :)
[09:42:54] <palowoda> s/gold/golf
[09:44:19] <palowoda> Of coarse they could threaten to stop all the incoming cargo ships and the US would run out of plastic toys.
[09:44:46] <Tempt> OH NOES
[09:44:52] <Tempt> GIMMEH TEH PLASTIK TOYS!
[09:45:05] <palowoda> My rubber ducky supply would be depleted.
[09:46:05] <purserj> Hmm plasma screen tvs would dry up as well
[09:46:10] <Tempt> My rubber piggy stash! What else would I stuff inside random servers to screw with people's heads?
[09:46:11] <palowoda> Good
[09:46:23] <purserj> as would most comodity items
[09:46:40] <palowoda> That would help the US economy.
[09:46:54] <purserj> Yeah lots of money and nothing to spend it on
[09:47:08] <palowoda> How about paying off the morgage.
[09:47:09] <andyshack> id love to find a toy every time i opened up a fail box.
[09:47:36] <Tempt> Heh
[09:47:39] <andyshack> it would make the prospect of changing a stuffed card fun!
[09:47:46] <bda> When I was a kid, we had to make do. A burnt CPU or fried stick of RAM was a joy indeed. Hours of entertainment.
[09:47:55] <Tempt> Our local Sun reseller sticks blocks of chocolate in the shipping box for all the Sun equipment.
[09:47:56] <purserj> can'y pay off the mortgage when you don't have a job because you've got nothing to sell
[09:48:00] <Tempt> (not inside the case though)
[09:48:19] <bda> Tempt: I need a new VAR!
[09:48:20] <Tempt> I hate it when people steal my machine room piggies
[09:48:29] <Tempt> bda: FrontLine ftw!
[09:48:46] <bda> :D
[09:49:41] <sfire||mouse> an anti spam vender packed girl scout cookies
[09:50:31] <bda> One day I'll make a raft out of anti-static bags and float out of this industry.
[09:51:06] <Tempt> Better off using the polystyrene packing.
[09:52:03] <Tempt> bda: Mind if I steal that line?
[09:52:06] <bda> Go nuts.
[09:52:24] <bda> The followup is, after someone mentions how that wouldn't so well, is: "Yeah, I figure something in deep-sea exploration..."
[09:52:27] <bda> http://research.sun.com/projects/dashboard.php?id=106 # :o
[09:52:29] <purserj> heh, my old boss once got a Japanese Fighting Fish from Dell
[09:52:40] <purserj> worst thoughtout concept ever
[09:53:07] <bda> purserj: Last week my mom left a voicemail which sounded incredibly urgent. "You need to call us RIGHT NOW." So after I wake up from my nap, I freak out a little, wondering what's wrong.
[09:53:12] <bda> Call her up.
[09:53:15] <bda> "I GOT A FISH! IT'S A BETTA!"
[09:53:28] <bda> Didn't get it from Dell, afaik, though.
[09:53:34] <Tempt> Err, "w00t!"?
[09:53:45] <Tempt> $3.50 from the viets down the road.
[09:54:04] <Tempt> Apparently you need to salt the water to toughen them up before you fight them for money
[09:54:19] <bda> "want to watch my kernel module's status and collect the informations of it." # can i has the syscalls??
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[09:55:23] <palowoda> bda: What are you talking about the DtraceToolkit and syscalls?
[09:55:51] <bda> Latest msg on dtrace-discuss. Not a native English speaker, I imagine.
[09:59:28] <purserj> probably is but has been corrupted by lolcats
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[10:02:31] <jbk> ok enough disassembler coding for tonight
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[10:14:49] <oxygene> jbk: thank you for that effort!
[10:15:48] <WickedWicky> I'm gonna move to the garden
[10:17:32] <WickedWicky> not permanently
[10:29:46] <Chipdancer> is anybody here more than passingly familar with AIT tape technology?
[10:29:59] <WickedWicky> not me, sorry
[10:32:31] <asyd> \_o<
[10:33:35] <WickedWicky> quack
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[10:48:54] <Gekkko> quock
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[11:04:00] <stefanha> I have a kernel address <sendvec_chunk+0x1b1> I'd like to map back to the kernel source code.  Is that possible?
[11:04:29] <Gekkko> Morning Tempt.
[11:05:01] <Tempt> Heya.
[11:05:18] <Gekkko> what you been up to today
[11:07:43] <Tempt> Very little, really.
[11:07:57] <Gekkko> Lol, likewise.
[11:08:15] <Gekkko> I actually noticed that I completely missed 15 minutes of life.
[11:08:28] <Gekkko> I said something to someone, looked at a page for what seemed a minute.
[11:08:31] <Gekkko> then said something again.
[11:08:38] <Gekkko> timestamp said it was 15 min later.
[11:08:52] <Tempt> It's Saturday.
[11:08:58] <Tempt> Being awake is an achievement.
[11:09:03] <Gekkko> lol
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[11:09:20] <Gekkko> my budgie keeps me awake
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[11:10:58] <Tempt> Hmm, coffee time.
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[11:13:55] <WickedWicky> yes
[11:13:57] <WickedWicky> coffee
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[11:23:41] <WickedWicky> mjummy
[11:23:47] <WickedWicky> coffee with a cookie
[11:24:17] <Gekkko> I just had pizza.
[11:24:38] <Gekkko> Fuck Windows is a useless platform >_>
[11:28:15] <oxygene> "fuck windows" - what's that, windows vista home adult edition? ;)
[11:29:48] <WickedWicky> I'm interested in a copy of that
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[12:34:52] <Gekkko> Why can't my SXCE come this week :o
[12:34:55] <Gekkko> I want it nooooow
[12:34:56] <Gekkko> lol
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[12:41:44] <Gekkko> XFCE on OpenSolaris? BLASPHEMY!
[12:45:46] <richlowe> ...
[12:46:52] <Gekkko> ,,,
[12:48:28] <Pietro_S> Gekkko: you can download even binaries of xfce on  project  portal
[12:48:41] <Gekkko> I know.
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[12:51:56] <Pietro_S> hmm, I hate when something compile only on one cpu (even I have only 2 cores still I want to be used both!)
[12:53:28] <Pietro_S> what's good value make -j for dual core amd?
[12:54:10] <oxygene> I tend to use parallel units + 1
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[13:01:53] <nightrain> Hi is anyone here,I can't install my network card driver,which the system notes me that:the driver havn't attached.The system has identified my network card is 88E8038.After I install it,I find the driver in the /etc/driver_alias,and the vendor-id and device-id are correct.
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[14:13:05] <Pietro_S> oxygene: how long it takes to compile boost libraries? now it takes 30mins and I'm starting to be impatient ...
[14:16:18] <oxygene> Pietro_S: on my p4-2.4ghz it takes several hours, on my ultra10 it took about a day
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[14:29:09] <Pietro_S> hmm, then I didn't choice good strategy - let it compile and then fix %files section :-(
[14:31:28] <oxygene> what are you doing?
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[15:07:31] <kaiwai> hmm
[15:09:13] <WickedWicky> HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO kaiwai
[15:09:20] <kaiwai> Hello :)
[15:09:34] <kaiwai> I've just had a look at the open discussion and found someone more irritating than I :)
[15:09:35] * WickedWicky offers you a coffee and a cookie
[15:09:44] * kaiwai thanks WickedWicky
[15:09:45] * WickedWicky didnt post even
[15:10:40] <kaiwai> lol
[15:11:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> What's an average day in the life of a Solaris Admin?
[15:11:58] <WickedWicky> Gekkko[PDA]: surf porn
[15:12:13] <kaiwai> girls/boys fame, adulation and worshipping
[15:12:22] <kaiwai> and lots of anonymous foursomes
[15:12:26] <WickedWicky> yeps
[15:12:37] <WickedWicky> and the weekly annoyance by the manager
[15:12:51] <WickedWicky> if you think appriciation, forget it
[15:12:59] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: that reminds me, next time I'm around at your house, lets stop having so many people over - I lost track of the number who I shagged
[15:13:08] <Gekkko[PDA]> you get paid to do nothing?
[15:13:29] <WickedWicky> Gekkko[PDA]: kinda
[15:13:29] <kaiwai> Gekkko[PDA]: no, we grow out beds and cynical/bitter personality
[15:13:33] <kaiwai> hone our person hating skills
[15:13:34] <WickedWicky> lol
[15:13:34] <WickedWicky> yep
[15:13:40] <kaiwai> *beards
[15:13:55] <WickedWicky> with every Sun release we upgrade our cynicism as well
[15:14:02] <Gekkko[PDA]> im at that5 pont already.
[15:14:08] <Gekkko[PDA]> overqualified.
[15:14:19] <Gekkko[PDA]> point*
[15:14:36] <kaiwai> Gekkko[PDA]: *shrugs* want hell on earth, I'll invite you to the CHAMPS training
[15:14:47] <WickedWicky> lol, here we go
[15:14:59] <Gekkko[PDA]> oh?
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[15:15:30] * WickedWicky is sitting in the garden listening to Belinni - Samba de Janeiro
[15:15:47] <WickedWicky> I think this is my first non-working weekend in 4 months
[15:15:54] <kaiwai> ah, I'm listening to Nick Cave & Bad Seeds - Let Love In
[15:15:55] <WickedWicky> and I am not exagurating, whatever that is written
[15:16:12] <WickedWicky> love is so overrated, anonymous foursomes ftw
[15:16:15] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: I worked 42 days straight
[15:16:26] <kaiwai> nice 70+ work week
[15:16:36] <kaiwai> thank god I no longer do that
[15:17:11] <WickedWicky> but you get great satisfaction
[15:17:13] * WickedWicky runs
[15:17:26] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: oh yes, the warm fuzzy feeling inside
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[15:17:54] <quasi> WickedWicky: so if this is your first weekend off in a month, then what are you doing in front of a computer?
[15:19:12] <WickedWicky> the best part about my job is the end of the month, when I can go to the hugo boss or gucci store
[15:19:39] <WickedWicky> installing opensolaris on my server in my room
[15:19:48] <WickedWicky> its no weather to do anything but sit in the shadow
[15:19:57] <WickedWicky> I just finnished watching F1 qualifying
[15:19:59] <oxygene> you have time for shopping? clearly you're not working enough ;-)
[15:20:04] <WickedWicky> oxygene: hahaha
[15:20:17] <WickedWicky> busted,  I guess
[15:20:33] <WickedWicky> I have on-call duty though
[15:20:44] <WickedWicky> so, somebody breaks something, I clean up
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[15:22:15] <oxygene> heh.. in the hugo boss shop.. beep, beep, "yah? ... oh, 20000 customers are unable to work.. will work on it, sure.. what do you think, shall I buy the white coat or the black?"
[15:22:21] * oxygene runs
[15:22:27] <sickness> lol
[15:22:33] <WickedWicky> lol
[15:22:59] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol.
[15:23:08] <sickness> .
[15:24:12] <WickedWicky> at the other hand, you could be in france now... with 700KM trafic jam in total
[15:24:18] * WickedWicky prefers his garden
[15:24:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> can you put traffic jam on toast?
[15:24:50] <oxygene> Gekkko[PDA]: delicious
[15:24:54] <Gekkko[PDA]> mmm chrome
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[15:25:11] <Gekkko[PDA]> I gotsa radiator!
[15:25:36] <WickedWicky> I think it goes better on Wasa crackers
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[15:28:44] <WickedWicky> Babylon Zoo - Spaceman... I feel so old.. and I got so disapointed with this song when I found out they used exactly the coolest part of the song in the Levis commercial
[15:29:27] <Pietro_S> how can I scroll in less to the end of file? manpage didn't mention it or II'm blind
[15:29:54] <LeftWing> ESC, >
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[15:30:11] <flyingparchment> or press G
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[15:30:42] <WickedWicky> G
[15:30:43] <WickedWicky> yea
[15:30:48] <WickedWicky> http://www.ss64.com/bash/less.html
[15:31:52] <WickedWicky>   {  (  [           *  Find close bracket } ) ].
[15:31:52] <WickedWicky>   }  )  ]           *  Find open bracket { ( [.
[15:31:55] <WickedWicky> this looks odd
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[15:33:56] <WickedWicky> this is the sound of C
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[15:34:12] <Pietro_S> thanks
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[15:34:19] <WickedWicky> molim
[15:34:26] <WickedWicky> Luke, I am your father
[15:35:39] <Pietro_S> oxygene: was you able to compile whole boost library? I have this stat:
[15:35:41] <Pietro_S> pkgbuild: ...failed updating 16 targets...
[15:35:42] <Pietro_S> pkgbuild: ...skipped 42 targets...
[15:35:42] <Pietro_S> pkgbuild: ...updated 1696 targets...
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[15:37:48] <Pietro_S> it looks like I need ulgy hack: ./bjam --toolset=sun stdlib=sun-stlport stage
[15:38:59] <Pietro_S> ./bjam --toolset=sun stdlib=sun-stlport stage || true
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[15:41:13] * WickedWicky munches on a cookie while reading the open letter thread
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[15:42:28] <flyingparchment> hmm, service plans aren't sold on $/socket any more?  curious
[15:42:48] <WickedWicky> I think last week somebody said here it was
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[15:43:11] <flyingparchment> i did say that recently but apparently i was wrong :)
[15:43:22] <WickedWicky> oh :P
[15:43:26] <flyingparchment> or at least, it's now the same for 1-2 sockets etc. rather than being just per socket
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[15:48:06] <Doc> been like that for ages
[15:48:24] <Doc> from memory the 2 socket price became the 1-2 socket price, so it's not necessarily a good thing...
[15:51:19] <quasi> good for sun, bad for everyone with a 1 socket system ;)
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[15:52:54] <quasi> and pretty consistent with suns long history of dealing very badly with small customers
[16:01:31] <SYS64738> does liveupgrade support zones on zfs filesystem ?
[16:02:42] <richlowe> no
[16:02:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> is zfs an actual fs or an overlay?
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[16:03:43] <oxygene> Gekkko[PDA]: filesystem
[16:04:03] <Gekkko[PDA]> k
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[16:14:52] <flyingparchment> how is "Binary and Source Code Compatibility" a feature of a support contract?
[16:15:02] * flyingparchment thought the OS included that by default
[16:15:11] <richlowe> flyingparchment: the ability to bitch if it breaks, maybe?
[16:15:14] <richlowe> not that you don't have that anyway
[16:16:35] <Gekkko[PDA]> the guaranteed security you can bitch
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[16:26:18] <Doc> and that they will do something about it if you do
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[16:33:39] <WickedWicky> nifty
[16:33:54] <WickedWicky> I blew away my entire OS disk, reinstalled, did a zpool import and I still have  my data
[16:34:01] * WickedWicky is a happy person
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[16:39:10] <Pietro_S> oxygene: hmm, your pmpkg package of boost install files even few libraries fail to build, I'm not sure if it's only mine problem, but it looks like bug
[16:41:14] <oxygene> Pietro_S: yes, some libraries do not build - but that has to do with compiler support
[16:41:49] <oxygene> Pietro_S: ls lib/libboost* |grep -- -sw |wc -l => 248,  ls lib/libboost* |grep -- -gcc34 |wc -l => 258
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[16:52:41] <Pietro_S> right now I'm sure that it's not good idea to depend on boost library, because it's pure evil!
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[16:53:06] <flyingparchment> most of the interesting bits of boost don't need to be compiled
[16:53:17] <flyingparchment> filesystem and thread are exceptions though
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[16:55:23] <oxygene> Pietro_S: I've seen several projects embrace boost with high expectation that now slowly work on getting rid of boost dependencies (except for smart pointers and other non-critical stuff)
[16:58:21] <Pietro_S> my friend wantted to use some smart pointer and I recomend him boost, right now I look like idiot when I'm telling him that boost isn't good choice ...
[16:58:31] <flyingparchment> smart_ptr doesn't need to be compiled
[16:58:38] <flyingparchment> just put the headers on your include path
[16:59:22] <oxygene> flyingparchment: boost is still a c++ compiler compatibility hell - but what can one expect from a tech demo?
[16:59:23] <Pietro_S> aren't there any troubles with linecenses?
[16:59:42] <flyingparchment> oxygene: depends, the common ones like smart ptr work pretty much everywhere
[16:59:50] <flyingparchment> what is a lincense?
[16:59:55] <oxygene> yes, finally
[17:00:11] <oxygene> Pietro_S: boost has quite liberal licensing - unless you want to claim it's your own, the license should be okay
[17:00:12] <Pietro_S> boost has some special license
[17:00:25] <flyingparchment> the boost license is extremely free
[17:00:41] <flyingparchment> they did that on purpose so compiler vendors can base their work on the boost reference implementation
[17:00:59] <oxygene> looks like some BSD knock-off to me
[17:01:08] <Pietro_S> so I can grab headers into my project and let there notification that few headers use boost license?
[17:01:21] <flyingparchment> yes
[17:01:40] <Pietro_S> ha perfect so why I'm trying to compile boost?
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[17:02:52] <WickedWicky> because you can (TM)
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[17:08:35] <Pietro_S> I would not be so selfconfident 16 libraries failed to build and 48 were ommited ...
[17:09:11] <Pietro_S> but "because I can't (TM)" is nice TM ;-)
[17:09:38] <WickedWicky> couple more of these exercises and you'll be able to use the confident slogan ;-)
[17:10:42] <WickedWicky> now what's toasting my brain at the moment is why all my login-slowness automagicklu disappeared after I reinstalled my box with nevada 69
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[17:11:14] <WickedWicky> I disabled nwam, just like before, configured static network addresses and it boots up under 2 minutes now, as opposite to the 9 minutes before the reinstall
[17:11:19] <Pietro_S> at least I tested ne cpu cooler, after 45mins of compiling the fan finally start working (780rmps)
[17:11:28] <WickedWicky> always nice to know
[17:11:44] <WickedWicky> we're hitting 30C tomorrow, which means it'll be around 40 in my room
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[17:12:17] <WickedWicky> welcome back
[17:12:47] <WickedWicky> AME                    SIZE    USED   AVAIL    CAP  HEALTH     ALTROOT
[17:12:48] <WickedWicky> zpool_lilith           1.45T    539G    944G    36%  ONLINE     -
[17:12:52] * WickedWicky is so happy and touched
[17:12:54] <WickedWicky> *sniff*
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[17:15:58] <Pietro_S> hmm, it would be nice to parse this channel log to see who has biggest zpool ;-)
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[17:16:53] <WickedWicky> haha, I just wanna point out that I am happy I didnt lose any data
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[17:20:41] <richlowe> Huh.
[17:28:47] <kaiwai> hmm, things that make you go huh
[17:30:43] <richlowe> in that instance "attempting to find a gpatch tarball"
[17:31:39] <richlowe> 2.5.4 is on ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/patch, 2.5.9 is on alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/diffutils, alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/patch doesn't exist.
[17:34:32] <WickedWicky> huh
[17:35:03] <EchoBinary> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAJgbZcpdE
[17:37:23] <WickedWicky> I can't migrate two disks within a ZFS pool to one mirror, can I?
[17:37:48] <richlowe> not if you value your data.
[17:37:57] <richlowe> you'd have to backup all the data and recreate the pool.
[17:38:04] <WickedWicky> christ
[17:38:12] <WickedWicky> ah well
[17:38:46] * WickedWicky will buy new disks
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[17:41:15] <kaiwai> hmm, oh well, thank god there is Flash on Solaris
[17:41:24] <kaiwai> renincing all the nick cave videos
[17:41:29] <kaiwai> *reminicing
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[17:48:57] <kaiwai> hmm, funny
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[18:09:04] <Pietro_S> this is funny: tank/home/sobotkap     23G   24G     0 100% /export/home/sobotkap
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[18:09:43] <Pietro_S> first is size 23G, then used 24G and the rest is uninterresting
[18:10:27] <Pietro_S> looks like df -h doesn't count with zfs well
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[18:16:32] <Tempt> Hmm, Nick Cave videos.
[18:19:48] <kaiwai> yeap
[18:20:06] <kaiwai> "Solaris for the masses" - something doesn't seem quite right about that phrase
[18:20:20] <Tempt> Where are you getting that line from?
[18:21:04] <kaiwai> oh, just the friendly chap 	Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
[18:21:33] <Tempt> With names like that, I remember why I prefer to call people by their username.
[18:22:19] <kaiwai> lets call him Sieve - retains nothing, and repeats everything
[18:22:32] <Tempt> Indeed.
[18:22:42] <Tempt> What's the current console mp3 player of choice?
[18:22:53] <Tempt> Something with a menu, perhaps, not pure commandline
[18:23:27] <kaiwai> hmm, I'll check
[18:24:13] <Pietro_S> Tempt: mpd definately
[18:24:21] <Tempt> I want console based so I can run it under screen and keep tabs on things just by connecting to the screen instance
[18:24:23] <kaiwai> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/hmp3.html
[18:24:30] <kaiwai> looks kinda sexy
[18:25:12] <Tempt> check this one out:
[18:25:14] <Tempt> http://www.sector7.nu/camp/ss/index.html
[18:25:33] <Pietro_S> Tempt: mpd runs as deamon, you can use lot's of clients to control it - mpc console one, gui ones or applets ...
[18:25:33] <kaiwai> hmm 'sector 7 cigarettes' :P
[18:26:05] <kaiwai> eek, reminds me of BitchX when I was running freebsd
[18:26:45] <Tempt> I love the old school ansi art.
[18:27:13] <kaiwai> ascii
[18:27:30] <Tempt> ansi art.
[18:27:33] <Tempt> Pretty colours.
[18:27:35] <kaiwai> ah, true
[18:27:44] <kaiwai> reminds me of my amiga days - the good old days
[18:27:52] <Tempt> Reminds me of when there were BBSes all over the place.
[18:28:41] <kaiwai> reminds me of my BBC Micro with a massive 32K memory
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[18:29:57] <Tempt> BBSes are still around.
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[18:35:39] <Tempt> hmm, camp might be pretty but looks a bit linux-specific. And these messages on a compile ...
[18:35:42] <Tempt> fork.c:89: error: too few arguments to function `exit'
[18:39:16] <kaiwai> Temp: there is always that Haskel based player
[18:39:52] <Tempt> I had a look, but I get the feeling I'll spend more time compiling Haskell than getting the player working.
[18:41:53] <kaiwai> true, true
[18:42:17] <kaiwai> it would be cool if Real eventually got WMA/WMV support - apparently that is what they're aiming for in IIRC 2.x or 3.x
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[18:43:09] <kaiwai> I assume that sun is getting behind helixcommunity
[18:43:13] * flyingparchment wonders how the progress on freeing qfs is going
[18:43:26] <kaiwai> qfs?
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[18:44:21] <Tempt> I give up on camp; it's obviously too fucking hard to just write a curses application these days, it has to include linux system calls
[18:44:33] <Tempt> I'm going to email the author and call him .. something rude.
[18:44:33] <sbahra> No?
[18:44:45] <flyingparchment> http://www.sun.com/storagetek/management_software/data_management/qfs/
[18:44:49] <sbahra> Oh, you were being sarcastic :-P
[18:44:57] <kaiwai> it would be nice if Sun supported helix community so that encoding arrived on Solaris
[18:45:06] <sbahra> Tempt, how many lines of code is camp?
[18:45:28] * sbahra might be willing to port it
[18:45:50] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: i doubt it'll ever get opensourced unfortuntaely
[18:46:00] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: a tiny part of it was already i think
[18:46:16] <Tempt> About 5000 or so at a glance
[18:46:25] <sbahra> Tempt, can you give me a URL to the project website?
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[18:46:35] <Tempt> http://www.sector7.nu/camp/
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[18:46:55] <Tempt> To be honest it probably wouldn't require too much hard slog.
[18:47:09] <Tempt> Given it just calls mpg123 for the actual playing
[18:47:18] * Tempt considers a re-write
[18:47:36] <sbahra> I'd be interested
[18:47:50] <sbahra> One of my first projects was a plugin-based console media system.
[18:47:51] <kaiwai> interesting, WMA/WMV playback to arrive in helix player 2.0
[18:47:56] <Tempt> Take a quick look at the code and see if you're interested in working on it
[18:47:59] <sbahra> So I have this thing for a project like that ;]
[18:48:02] <sbahra> Tempt, k
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[18:48:21] <Tempt> my patience faded when I started seeing: main.c:11:20: sys/vt.h: No such file or directory
[18:49:58] <KMays> You can now use Mesa 7.0.1 (OpenGL backend) with custom skins for cool eye candy effects with some players.
[18:50:24] <KMays> Kinda like Windows Player does.
[18:51:13] <Tempt> nah, it must live under screen ;)
[18:51:14] <sbahra>   7199 total
[18:51:32] <sbahra> wow
[18:51:32] <Tempt> sbahra: Is that from cat *.c | wc -l ?
[18:51:39] <sbahra> Tempt, wc -l *.c
[18:51:41] <richlowe> wc -l *.c
[18:51:44] <richlowe> UUOC!
[18:51:45] <Tempt> Same thing.
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[18:51:53] <sbahra> Tempt, yes ;-]
[18:51:57] <richlowe> Same result, different thing ;)
[18:51:58] <WickedWicky> rawr
[18:51:59] <Tempt> I've taken to overusing cat for the excessive reactions it gets./
[18:52:00] <sbahra> But your example is bad cat usage
[18:52:05] <sbahra> haha
[18:52:06] <sbahra> Yeah.
[18:52:18] <sbahra> There was some huge article on this phenomenon.
[18:52:23] <Tempt> I know.
[18:52:30] <sbahra> exit()
[18:52:31] <sbahra> hahahaha
[18:52:38] <Tempt> But some people get *so* worked up over a single misuse of cat that it's worth turning the handle
[18:53:12] <Tempt> Sadly, boyd is on his way to India and thus misses his chance tonight.
[18:54:17] <Pietro_S> I think that it's because everyone *loves* cat(s) ;-)
[18:54:50] <Tempt> sbahra: I'd be willing to offer a small bribe towards a decent console media player.
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[18:55:23] <sbahra> Tempt, I'll port this in the next 30 minutes if you offer $ :-]
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[18:56:08] <sbahra> nm, actually.
[18:56:13] <sbahra> This is completely retarded ;-P
[18:56:23] <sbahra> I have everything fine except for the VT-specific ioctl's he is using.
[18:56:34] <sbahra> Which uses /dev/console...semantics of which are definitely not portable.
[18:56:57] <sbahra> Tempt, nasty code.
[18:57:19] <Tempt> I just ducked through and commented them out.
[18:57:24] <sbahra> haha
[18:57:25] <Tempt> and it still won't compile
[18:57:30] <sbahra> Problem is he is using /dev/console crap.
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[18:57:39] <sbahra> Tempt, yes, exit and his handling of utmp from what I saw so far
[18:57:40] <Tempt> lint: pass2 not run - errors in main.c
[18:57:43] <sbahra> I fixed those.
[18:57:52] <sbahra> Tempt, how's your C?
[18:57:53] <Tempt> I already dropped the utmp support
[18:57:56] <Tempt> Awful.
[18:57:59] <Pietro_S> Tempt: why mpd isn't worth of try? it's in SFE repository and I can send you  smf/svc manifest
[18:58:02] <asyd> hmm, just for my info
[18:58:06] <sbahra> Tempt, why?
[18:58:14] <Tempt> Hasn't been used in anger since 1998
[18:58:23] <Tempt> except for one pam library and a couple of short utils
[18:58:27] <asyd> are there some well know problems with raidz2 in build55 (or around) ?
[18:58:37] <sbahra> If you are willing to work together, we can write a decent media player tomorrow.
[18:58:45] <asyd> we are currently testing with 4 usbkeys on b55
[18:58:53] <Tempt> Pietro_S: It looks like a nice tool, just not exactly what I'm looking for.
[18:59:01] <asyd> and I exprimented some kernel freeze/reboot
[18:59:12] <asyd> after unplugged two (on 4) on a raidz2 pool
[18:59:21] <Pietro_S> Tempt: ah it lacks ascii art ;-)
[18:59:43] <Pietro_S> Tempt: but it would save you one screen
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[19:02:23] <asyd> it's a bit annoying that is so long to upgrade an opensolaris
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[19:06:28] <Tempt> Pietro_S: Sort-of.
[19:06:50] <Tempt> sbahra: I'd be in for everything I could help with.
[19:06:53] <m0107b> who #opensolaris
[19:07:02] <tomww> m0107b: yea :-)
[19:09:33] <tomww> I heard "mpd" :-)
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[19:11:03] <tomww> Pietro_S: I'm thinking since long for a clever SMF integration for mpd. but the main point is, what is the best default for userid, path and so on. So i came to the conclusion, that there should be a default, and a nice way to enable the enduser installing the package to provide a local profile for the main configuration parameters
[19:11:34] <tomww> PerterB: would you like to show me your smf manifest for mpd?
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[19:17:49] <jbk> afternoon
[19:18:53] <kaiwai> good afternoon jbk
[19:21:15] <Pietro_S> tomww: I will sen it to you if I'll find where smf is storing manifests (I already forgot it)
[19:22:09] <tomww> Pietro_S: same for me. I have to search every single time I look for them :)
[19:22:50] <Pietro_S> would it be enough if I do svccfg export?
[19:23:09] <tomww> I think of a SMF manifest which can be re-used to set up multiple instances of mpd. e.g. one for local listening, another one for streaming via icecast on the same machine (thats what I do)
[19:23:30] <tomww> hmm.. export would only show the results...
[19:24:22] <tomww> if you lokk into /var/svc/manifest  and dirys below, is it there (the original manifest)
[19:25:05] <Pietro_S> export dump me manifest
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[19:27:10] <Pietro_S> find /var/svc/manifest -name '*mpd*' shows me only logs
[19:29:10] <tomww> not a problem :-) WOuld have been nice to see what already works fine :)
[19:29:15] <Pietro_S> OMG I'm idiot I have in in home di
[19:29:20] <Pietro_S> dir*
[19:31:31] <tomww> so, did I note, that for importing manifests, they do not need to be in a specific dirys? :-)
[19:32:53] <Pietro_S> tomww: here is manifest (hopefully it's latest) - http://home.zcu.cz/~sobotkap/mpd.xml
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[19:34:13] <Pietro_S> it's very simple, but working nicely, music start playing in the middle of boot process
[19:34:40] <Pietro_S> if you have your music on nfs shares you will need to modify it a bit
[19:35:27] <tomww> yes, with nfs it should depend on the nfs-client mounting
[19:35:54] <tomww> you have a nice indea in the manifest: dependance on a configuration file.
[19:35:59] <tomww> so, no file no start.
[19:36:42] <tomww> could the ependencie be like such:  if /etc/mpd.conf *or* ~/.mpd.conf exists, then start
[19:37:54] <tomww> another on is, what about the initial database-creation, could an instance at very first startup create the database, alternatively look for the database at every startup, and if missing, create the db?
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[19:40:53] <Pietro_S> I think it's good to let database setup on user/admin otherwise I would create one at the first invocation
[19:42:32] <tomww> Pietro_S: would it be really bad, if installed, service is disabled, user enables service and the database is created then automaticly?
[19:45:31] <kaiwai> damn MS Live search is crap
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[19:49:37] <tomww> Pietro_S: did you see a diffence between stopping the instance with mpd --kill and the magic word :kill  in the manifest?
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[19:57:56] <kaiwai> hmm, on evolution the british dictionary isn't available
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[20:16:48] <Tempt> Alright, attempt to build console media play #4 fails, I surrender for the night
[20:16:54] <Tempt> Off to bed
[20:16:54] <Tempt> Night all.
[20:19:42] <axisys> my apache is taking over all my cpus http://rafb.net/p/rWxDQn26.html on this sol 9
[20:20:34] <axisys> anyone knows a quick way to find bottleneck ?
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[21:18:23] <oninoshiko> axisys : yes, apache does that... might try lighttpd
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[21:19:44] <oninoshiko> or one of the alternate worker daemons (like the one that supports using non-blocking IO to montior mulitple sockets at once, as opposed to just forking)
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[21:27:29] <axisys> oninoshiko: in lighty?
[21:27:35] <axisys> or apache?
[21:28:15] <axisys> i have 72000 hits in 11 hrs.. not much but that is what causing the CPU peg
[21:28:40] <emergo> Im testing out quemu, but is this crap ? cant install service pack 4 windows 2000server and cant install sql server2000. Is there some extras I need or any alternatives ...'
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[21:30:39] <oninoshiko> the alternate worker daemons in apache...
[21:31:06] <oninoshiko> i know they exsist, but ive never used any of them myself
[21:31:50] <oninoshiko> i suppose that assumes apache 2...
[21:32:30] <oninoshiko> which is about as safe as a blind man carrying a torch in a fireworks factroy
[21:32:50] <oninoshiko> (as far as assumptions go)
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[22:01:40] <myrkraverk> aren't there system calls to get the same info as ps ?
[22:03:18] <elektronkind> ps recurses through the info contained in /proc
[22:03:41] <elektronkind> man -s 4 proc
[22:04:12] <myrkraverk> ok, thanks
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[23:20:49] <Pietro_S> tomww: I didn't rebember exactly but it was with some reason
[23:21:53] <Pietro_S> mpd --kill probably do some cleaning and save state or something like it
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