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[00:12:15] <FireflyST> ok
[00:13:05] <FireflyST> Is there anything I should know about Broadcom 1390 wireless on OpenSolaris?
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[00:14:30] <FireflyST> I'm buying this as my primary laptop and to run OpenSolaris on it
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[00:15:13] <kUdtiHaEX> thats the spirit
[00:16:15] <NikolaVeber> FireflyST, search the web for the drivers, I had problems with bcm4311
[00:16:26] <NikolaVeber> wouldnt work at all
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[00:16:59] <sommerfeld> FireflyST: most critical thing is if the wireless is a socketed minipci card.  if it is and it doesn't work you can pull it out and put in an atheros minipci card
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[00:18:45] <eboutilier> I think usually the NDIS wrapper thingy is needed  with broadcom wireless. FireflyST: If you want something that just works, consider avoiding broadcom, is my advice (but I'm no expert)
[00:18:50] <palowoda> You have to be carefull about the brand of laptop also.  Some brands (HP for instance) checks in the bios to see if you replaced the minipci card.  And tells you to put the hp approved card back in.  Most asian laptops do do this.
[00:18:52] <Triskelios> FireflyST: the ndis page indicates that it"s been tested with BCM4311 (and specific drivers)
[00:19:29] <palowoda> NDIS isn't really working well.
[00:20:33] <eboutilier> I think the catch is that Broadcom is what's in most commodity laptops
[00:20:51] <eboutilier> That's what I found in my latest budget laptop shopping experience.
[00:21:59] <palowoda> It's inexpensive to replace the Broadcom minipci.
[00:23:04] <eboutilier> FireflyST: This might help: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/laptop-discuss/2007-July/008365.html
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[00:23:48] <gridlok> re all
[00:25:31] <gridlok> i've got a question about a concept i haven't yet been able to fully wrap my brain around regarding solaris' unix heritage if anyone wants to hear it.
[00:26:12] <asyd> well, (try to) ask
[00:26:17] <oxygene> gridlok: don't ask to ask, ask :)
[00:26:54] <gridlok> cool...here goes
[00:27:35] <FireflyST> alright, that tells me one thing - don't order the upgraded video card
[00:27:53] <gridlok> how does solaris NOT have any residual AT&T bell labs code in it?
[00:28:23] <richlowe> who said it didn't?
[00:28:25] <gridlok> how do you completely change the unix code?  is it like bill joy went through and changed all X variables to A and so on?
[00:28:37] <oxygene> gridlok: there is
[00:28:59] <gridlok> i must be getting confused with comments i've read about BSD, then
[00:29:36] <sommerfeld> gridlok: BSD had a very restrictive license from AT&T
[00:29:39] <oxygene> gridlok: remember the uproar when Sun paid some license to SCO? That might be the money that allowed them to redistribute things like the AT&T code
[00:29:50] <FireflyST> midgets riding dinosaurs, back in 1980BC, preemptively made UNIX the property of Small Cavemen Corp.
[00:30:35] <palowoda> Hmm didn't they pay Novell for that?
[00:31:07] <oxygene> palowoda: SCO would have had to pay Novell - which is why those two are ligitating now because Novell claims that SCO didn't give Novell what belongs to Novell.. or something like that
[00:31:10] <gridlok> oxygen:  gotcha
[00:31:33] <sommerfeld> gridlok: sun relicensed (large chunks of) solaris under CDDL because sun's believed it was okay to do this.  sun is not saying why it believed this.
[00:31:36] <oxygene> palowoda: but I think, SCO is the central "unix licensing agency" these days
[00:32:01] <gridlok> sco and microsoft go back to the xenix days if i'm not mistaken
[00:32:29] <gridlok> it was interesting to see all the linux conspiracy theorists freak out when sco said they were gonna start suing companies
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[00:33:18] <FireflyST> ok
[00:33:21] <FireflyST> wow
[00:33:26] <FireflyST> I have a choice of wireless cards
[00:33:31] <gridlok> on an atari ST?
[00:33:35] <FireflyST> should I take the Intel or Broadcoms?
[00:33:42] <FireflyST> oi, gridlock
[00:33:47] <gridlok> nice
[00:33:48] <coffman> FireflyST: atheros or intel
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[00:33:59] <coffman> FireflyST: in this order
[00:34:55] <gridlok> sommerfeld:  i never did get schillix to run last night
[00:35:13] <FireflyST> ok
[00:35:19] <FireflyST> atheros is not an option
[00:35:27] <coffman> FireflyST: why not?
[00:35:33] <FireflyST> well, not order-wise
[00:35:42] <FireflyST> I could buy it later
[00:35:46] <coffman> hm
[00:35:47] <FireflyST> if the intel doesn't work
[00:35:54] <coffman> intel should do
[00:35:57] <palowoda> What model of Intel wireless
[00:35:58] <FireflyST> I'm getting this through employee purchase program
[00:36:01] <coffman> for solaris sxce?
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[00:36:26] <FireflyST> 3945 or "intel next gen wireless"
[00:36:29] <palowoda> Should matter the latest 3945 drivers are now in.
[00:36:31] <FireflyST> one of those two
[00:36:38] <FireflyST> those are my non-boradcom options
[00:36:42] <palowoda> see: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wpi/
[00:37:12] <tomww> if you like 64-bit drivers, make sure they are available for the card...
[00:37:23] <coffman> while intel cards are okay, i prefer atheros
[00:37:29] <FireflyST> why so?
[00:37:33] <gridlok> just out of curiousity, does the fluxbox gui run on the opensolaris code?
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[00:38:35] <coffman> gridlok: dont think so
[00:38:53] <gridlok> coffman:  thx
[00:39:13] <palowoda> Fluxbox is available from blastwave.org for solaris
[00:39:21] <coffman> FireflyST: performance wise
[00:39:24] <gridlok> thx palowoda
[00:39:40] <gridlok> also, out of curiousity, do any of you guys have an inferno or plan 9 box?
[00:39:45] <FireflyST> what CPU should I choose?
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[00:39:51] <FireflyST> i.e. what is 64-bit
[00:40:04] <coffman> FireflyST: laptop?
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[00:40:25] <FireflyST> yeah
[00:40:45] <coffman> FireflyST: latest and greatest core2duo
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[00:41:27] <gridlok> intel and amd are driving eachother's prices way down here in the us
[00:41:32] <coffman> dualcore amds have problems with steping, core2duo steping support is coming up
[00:41:54] <gridlok> sse4?
[00:42:30] <coffman> gridlok: nope, the dynamic clock speed for the cpu
[00:42:41] <gridlok> oic
[00:43:02] <gridlok> i know more about athlon64 than i do about intel's new core architecture
[00:43:14] <gridlok> i've never owned a pc with an intel chip
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[00:43:27] <gridlok> unless i consider my xbox...which has a celeron in it
[00:43:32] <coffman> gridlok: the problems are solaris problems not cpu problems
[00:43:46] <gridlok> oh, sorry
[00:44:03] <oninoshiko> does anyone know if the iscsi target supports multiple sessions from the same initiator?
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[00:46:47] <FireflyST> I'm just wondering from a 64-bit solaris standpoint, does it run in full 64-bit mode on core2 duos?
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[00:47:17] <oninoshiko> FireflyST it reports as 64-bit here
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[00:48:36] <oninoshiko> hrm..  err i th ought it did
[00:53:10] <boyd> Bah, I'm sick of seeing things like "there are sensitive legal issues with.."
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[00:55:39] <oxygene> boyd: where?
[00:56:34] <jmcp> boyd: haneef?
[00:56:51] <richlowe> osol-arc
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[00:59:02] <boyd> richlowe: yes, that's the one
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[01:00:41] <CIA-26> markfen: 6586934 certlocal core dumps when attempting to generate unsupported DSA key/cert pair
[01:00:42] <CIA-26> mh27603: 6586617 device is powered on, while its ancestor is powering off!
[01:00:43] <CIA-26> sbehera: 6588180 Relaxed ordering fix erased by last putback to Nevada
[01:02:16] <FireflyST> I came across the strangest message last night
[01:02:34] <oninoshiko> "The printer is on fire?"
[01:02:45] <FireflyST> when I was registering my U10 running S10 for patching, I got the message "Finish registration!"
[01:03:09] <FireflyST> I've never known Sun to have engrish in their programs
[01:03:28] <oninoshiko> i still think "The printer is on fire" is stranger
[01:03:30] <FireflyST> It means, I think, that it's finished
[01:03:42] <FireflyST> probably, but that's not a real message
[01:03:48] <oninoshiko> yes it is
[01:04:01] <oninoshiko> although id have to look up the os
[01:04:24] <FireflyST> so is "not war" when you run 'make love' in TECO on pdp11
[01:04:38] <oxygene> how about "assertion failed: is_computer_on() == false"
[01:05:34] <oninoshiko> that IS a good one oxygene
[01:06:31] <oninoshiko> i guess its Printer on fire  and its the 2.2.x linux kernel (default printer error if nothing fit)
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[01:07:34] <oxygene> oninoshiko: won't happen though - is_computer_on() always returns true (on beos)
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[01:10:48] <oninoshiko> lol... not if my debugger has anything to say about it MUAHAHAHahaha
[01:12:10] <oninoshiko> oh wait, i almost forgot that blow my apathy threshhold
[01:12:31] <oninoshiko> that's below*
[01:15:54] <oxygene> :)
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[01:21:43] <sstallion> any SUNWspro guys around?
[01:22:55] <richlowe> mornin' jmcp
[01:23:06] * sstallion kicks lint
[01:23:40] <sstallion> for some odd reason, lint is running through libc... ive not used sun lint very much - is there something im doing wrong here, or is this par for the course?
[01:23:55] <jmcp> hi richlowe
[01:23:58] <jmcp> hi one-n-all
[01:27:27] <nachox> evening
[01:27:38] <mkanat> Hey jmcp.
[01:28:05] <mkanat> jmcp: I was kind of pointed in this direction by timeless, I don't actually really know who to talk to about the whole OpenSolaris DTS thing.
[01:28:46] <jmcp> oh, right
[01:28:54] <jmcp> I might be able to help, then again .... might not
[01:28:56] <jmcp> ask
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[01:30:19] * jmcp debates logging a biosdev-related rfe
[01:30:20] <jmcp> hmmm
[01:31:24] <oxygene> jmcp: biosdev?
[01:31:38] <jmcp> oxygene: your bios boot devices
[01:31:52] <jmcp> oxygene: run "prtconf -v" and search for "biosdev"
[01:31:57] <jmcp> or run /sbin/biosdev
[01:33:10] <oxygene> what do you want to enhance there?
[01:33:31] <jmcp> oxygene: imagine that you have a jbod attached to your host, and you want to boot from an arbitrary disk within it
[01:33:49] <mkanat> jmcp: Well, I was just wondering who's making the decisions about it, and if there's anybody I should be talking to who'd be interested in my help with evaluating Bugzilla.
[01:34:02] <jmcp> mkanat: sorry, I have absolutely no idea about that
[01:34:05] <jmcp> stevel might know though
[01:34:26] <stevel> tools-discuss at opensolaris dot org
[01:34:29] <mkanat> jmcp: Okay, great. I just assumed you might know because timeless addressed you.
[01:34:32] <jmcp> that'll probably help too
[01:34:35] <jmcp> ooooh
[01:34:38] <mkanat> stevel: Okay. I suppose I should subscribe.
[01:34:38] <jmcp> bad assumption :)
[01:34:45] <jmcp> just cos i hang out here doesn't mean I actually know anything :-)
[01:34:51] <stevel> ditto for me too
[01:34:56] <jmcp> oxygene: the PC-AT bios only ever presented a total of 8 fixed disks as options to boot from
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[01:35:35] <sstallion> does anyone know offhand how to keep lint from reporting issues in std headers?
[01:35:38] <jmcp> oxygene: so it's a bit of a can of worms
[01:35:50] <jmcp> sstallion: perhaps add   /*LINTED*/  to the top of the file?
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[01:36:15] <sstallion> hm
[01:36:44] <sstallion> jmcp: nope
[01:36:51] <jmcp> sstallion: what sort of problems is lint calling out?
[01:37:00] <sstallion> issues within stdio in this case
[01:37:13] <sstallion> one sec, ill put a post
[01:37:14] <jmcp> I'm surprised
[01:37:22] <sstallion> so am i :)
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[01:38:20] <sstallion> running this on an old known good bit of source
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[01:39:04] <jmcp> triplah_: hi!
[01:39:15] <sstallion> jmcp: http://rafb.net/p/xQQp6U77.html
[01:39:20] <sstallion> enjoy... this is an odd one :)
[01:39:42] <jmcp> ta
[01:40:05] <sstallion> bah bad paste
[01:40:09] <triplah_> morning jmcp  :)
[01:40:14] <sstallion> one sec..
[01:40:21] <jmcp> sstallion: which lint?
[01:40:26] <sstallion> the first is fine
[01:40:27] <jmcp> triplah_: great to finally attach a face to the nick
[01:40:36] <sstallion> i accidently pulled more out of my shell session than i intended
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[01:42:43] <sstallion> jmcp: clean version: http://rafb.net/p/xgFX8p29.html
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[01:44:20] <jmcp> sstallion: which lint version are you using?
[01:44:33] <sstallion> studio 12
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[01:45:04] <jmcp> sstallion: do you have studio11 handy to try for a counter-example?
[01:45:25] <sstallion> id have to install it pretty quick
[01:45:34] <sstallion> i just took it off last month ;)
[01:45:38] <jmcp> :(
[01:45:52] <jmcp> can you make your source available for a test, or is it closed?
[01:46:09] <sstallion> its an old k&r exercise.. nothing to worry about :)
[01:46:12] <sstallion> one sec, ill put it up
[01:46:15] <jmcp> oh, right
[01:46:17] <jmcp> ta
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[01:47:23] <sstallion> jmcp: http://arf.ubound.org/~sstallion/entab/
[01:47:34] * jmcp grabs
[01:49:05] <triplah_> jmcp: yeah for sure man. suprising to see you there
[01:49:34] <triplah_> there was a bit of eye rolling, hearing about pythonistas talk about C :\
[01:49:51] <jmcp> triplah_: that bloke with the brown UQ tshirt on .... gollly
[01:50:02] <triplah_> haha, he was excited :P
[01:50:17] <triplah_> mind you, talloc sounds interesting, I'd never heard of it for some reason
[01:50:18] <jmcp> I could tell
[01:50:53] <jmcp> sstallion: it's the -Xc in your cflags which kills it
[01:51:08] <triplah_> coffee time. got to sleep in today :)
[01:51:17] <jmcp> triplah_: enjoy
[01:51:22] <sstallion> jmcp: hmm. I thought -Xc was ignored on lint 12 ?
[01:51:29] <jmcp> apparently not
[01:51:44] <jmcp> triplah_: talloc seems like a neat thing, but I'm not sure how well it would scale
[01:51:58] <sstallion> jmcp: hrmm. just tried without -Xc - same result
[01:52:05] <sstallion> studio 12 issue ?
[01:52:14] <sstallion> (im on 10 11/06)
[01:52:15] <jmcp> don't think so
[01:52:51] <sstallion> hrmm let me get studio 11 in
[01:52:54] <jmcp> I'm on snv_62
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[01:53:48] <triplah_> jmcp: I agree, it'd be interesting to do some tests. For python programmers the performance benefit of switching to C + talloc would be enough to justify it's use probably. especially if only extension modules are using it.
[01:54:03] <triplah_> of course, it doesnt make sense when you should be using kalloc... :P
[01:54:10] <triplah_> not sure what kalloc is in solaris
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[01:55:10] <triplah_> ah, there are a few different ones
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[01:55:26] <jmcp> calloc, perhaps?
[01:55:35] <nachox> there was a python conference? :)
[01:55:49] <triplah_> woops, it's kmalloc in linux anyway
[01:55:52] <jmcp> nachox: nah, BrisPy - Brisbane Python user group
[01:55:54] <triplah_> i'll shutup now :)
[01:56:14] <sstallion> jmcp: studio 11 gives the same exact results... im starting to wonder if i have some lib issues
[01:56:49] <sstallion> SUNWhea and the SUNWacr packages are installed
[01:56:56] <jmcp> I see the same results for ss11 and ss12, on snv_62
[01:57:05] <nachox> talloc is a malloc replacement?
[01:57:14] <sstallion> jmcp: your results are clean, no?
[01:57:16] <jmcp> nachox: invented by Andrew Tridgell
[01:57:23] <jmcp> sstallion: http://rafb.net/p/FFnAo482.html
[01:57:32] <nachox> or samba fame, cool guy
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[01:57:57] <sstallion> hrmm
[02:00:20] <CIA-26> sbehera: 6581125 vf-onnv_10 nxge driver fails on Maramba with 2 onboard XAUIs
[02:00:21] <CIA-26> udpa: 6482459 Add options to set IGMP and MLD version to be used on Join requests, 6546036 igmp and mld membership reports takes longer than Max Response Time
[02:04:09] <sstallion> jmcp: thanks for the help.. i'll poke at it later on
[02:04:11] * sstallion &
[02:04:37] <jmcp> you're welcome
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[02:11:36] <nachox> cool, it looks like google will be hosting a cifs workshop
[02:14:32] <coffman> cifs
[02:14:37] <coffman> i like cifs
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[02:15:21] * coffman hopes his mobile does not crash this time
[02:15:45] <coffman> it crashed this morning
[02:15:52] <coffman> when it had to wake me up
[02:16:13] * coffman throws his mobile against the next wall
[02:17:16] <tsoome> use computer or tv to wake you up. its harder to throw.
[02:17:35] <coffman> pff
[02:17:36] <tsoome> in any luck, it will bring down your wall
[02:17:39] <tsoome> :D
[02:18:32] <Tempt> boyd: PING
[02:18:42] <nachox> coffman, just set two alarm clocks :P
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[02:18:59] <nachox> coffman, redudancy is a must in this IT world :P
[02:19:15] <coffman> nachox: done that, but i dont here my "normal" alarm clock anymore
[02:19:24] <coffman> need to mod that fucker
[02:19:36] <nachox> buy one! ... they are not expensive...
[02:20:58] <tsoome> clustered alarm devices:)
[02:21:34] <oxygene> nachox: the ones that you can buy likely have to obey certain regulations about maximum volume, etc.. (to prevent hearing damage) - well, and that probably isn't enough ;)
[02:22:39] <tsoome> good old water filled tank over bed....
[02:22:40] <nachox> oxygene, the answer is buying them in third world countries, nobody respects regulations there ;)
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[02:28:51] <coffman> i think i need something like clocky, the alarm clock that hides from you
[02:29:08] <stevel> my system works pretty well
[02:29:26] <stevel> have an incontinent beagle who always jumps up into your bed the moment you start to show signs of life
[02:29:44] <stevel> the desire to not have your dog piss all over you in your bed is a pretty strong incentive to get out of bed and let her out
[02:30:12] <coffman> well, that would kill me
[02:30:23] <coffman> im allergic against dogs
[02:30:28] <coffman> and cats
[02:30:31] <coffman> and ...
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[02:32:24] <nachox> stevel, the same dog that caused havoc all over your house not log ago?
[02:32:43] <nachox> coffman, have you considered suicide?
[02:32:44] <stevel> nachox: no, the other one.  :) i have two beagles.
[02:32:59] <stevel> they're lovely dogs, otherwise
[02:33:01] <stevel> :-D
[02:33:09] <coffman> nachox: no, but i have considered killing dogs
[02:34:08] <coffman> in my home town there is dog shit everywhere
[02:34:27] <nachox> i have a really spoiled golden Cocker Spaniel
[02:34:27] <nachox>  that hates being left alone and loves sleeping in our beds :P
[02:34:59] <nachox> coffman, educate your citizens or fine them
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[03:16:16] <nachox> damn, i dont know what brought the animaniacs back, now i'm wondering what was the name of the song where wakko burped "swan lake"
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[03:21:36] <jbk> haha
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[03:27:42] <nachox> my bad it was the blue danube, it was still very funny
[03:28:27] <Tempt> Reminds me of Homer Simpson in space.
[03:28:38] <Tempt> da da di da, chomp-chomp, chomp-chomp ...
[03:29:04] <nachox> god bless youtube!
[03:29:53] <nachox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JJcJIiQq2A
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[03:49:37] <dlynes_laptop> Is there a good tutorial on installing Solaris 10 on a SPARC, across multiple disks?
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[03:49:56] <dlynes_laptop> I'm installing the CDROM version of Solaris 10 3/05
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[03:51:39] <coffman> dlynes_laptop: you should not do that, 10 11/06 is out and 08/07 will come this month
[03:51:46] <coffman> 10 3/05 is stone age
[03:52:34] <dlynes_laptop> coffman: But it's a commercial version, not Open Solaris
[03:53:07] <jmcp> dlynes_laptop: s10 03/05 is the very first release of SOlaris 10. Do yourself a favour and get the current update release
[03:53:25] <nachox> nod
[03:53:32] <dlynes_laptop> coffman: Is there an iso version of Solaris 10 11/06 or 08/07 that I can burn under Linux, then?
[03:53:44] <jmcp> dlynes_laptop: www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp
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[03:55:13] <dlynes_laptop> jmcp: But that's for x86 version, not sparc
[03:55:28] <nachox> no
[03:55:30] <dlynes_laptop> jmcp: and it's not a downloadable image
[03:55:37] <nachox> you can get both there
[03:56:02] <dlynes_laptop> oh...nvm...I tried the link in the topic, not the other one
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[04:00:20] <CIA-26> eh146360: 6576140 fix for 6353812 was lost, tecra s1 hangs on reboot, Contributed by Juergen Keil <jk at tools dot de>
[04:00:21] <CIA-26> gjelinek: 6576821 some brands need additional hooks to work properly
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[04:08:18] <nachox> i always wondered what was the point for linux branded zones when you had xen in the works, i guess less overhead
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[04:12:33] <jamesd_> nachox, and you can store your data on a zfs filesystem...  and take advantage of snapshots and end to end checksums, and you can't dtrace xen dom*   but you can brandz
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[04:14:56] <coffman> nachox: basicly less overhead
[04:16:06] <nachox> it emulates a 2.4 kernel right?
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[04:20:19] <coffman> it translates system calls and looks like a 2.4 kernel
[04:20:42] <coffman> there is no emulating around in brandz :P
[04:22:04] <nachox> 2.6 support is in the works? what happens with for example inotify?
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[04:23:33] <coffman> from sun side brandz is eol, does not mean that there is no work going on
[04:24:01] <jmcp> coffman: if brandZ is eol then why are engineering ppl still adding enhancements?
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[04:24:41] <coffman> just what i read on the lists and people are telling all the time?
[04:30:34] <nachox> was brandz even released in a production ready solaris?
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[04:34:15] <coffman> ill count sx as production ready. so yes :P
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[04:34:56] <nachox> i dont
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[04:42:54] <coffman> n8
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[05:00:19] <CIA-26> lh195018: 6426973 Transport rejected fatal error occurred during Volume Copy/SnapShot and sysReboot test - LPE1100x, 6459489 (TD_IOP210) (AM3-QLA2342) I/O fails after the host side cable is pulled.
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[05:18:06] <pl0nk> test
[05:18:43] <pl0nk> hrmmm .. anyone know their way around parted ?
[05:18:53] <pl0nk> the partition table thingy ?
[05:19:03] <dlynes_laptop> pl0nk: isn't that a linux thingy?
[05:19:15] <pl0nk> its an open source thingy
[05:19:28] <pl0nk> and you can get it at Blastwave
[05:19:31] <dlynes_laptop> pl0nk: ah
[05:19:33] * pl0nk I think
[05:19:49] <pl0nk> in any case .. it seems to be ignoring my new 72GB disk
[05:20:01] <dlynes_laptop> Yeah...I never used it...I've always used partition magic
[05:20:02] <pl0nk> or .. not ignoring .. but it won't make a partition entry
[05:20:16] <pl0nk> partition magic on Solaris or Linux ?
[05:20:23] <dlynes_laptop> neither
[05:20:30] <dlynes_laptop> It won't run on either
[05:20:44] <dlynes_laptop> stupid piece of crap is only supported on Windows
[05:21:06] <dlynes_laptop> but it's a great piece of software for the job that it does
[05:21:30] <pl0nk> I have heard very good things
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[05:21:55] <lloy0076> Errk!
[05:22:28] <lloy0076> It seems that the default Pidgin in JDS with SXCE b69 has no Jabber support built in or the plugin isn't there.
[05:22:29] <pl0nk> umm .. you saw a snake ?
[05:25:45] <nachox> lloy0076, known bug i think
[05:26:22] <richlowe> Yeah.
[05:26:33] <richlowe> at least, I recall it being mentioned somewhere that also said it was fixed.
[05:27:01] <nachox> i recall someone mentioning it here in the channel
[05:29:11] <nachox> http://blogs.sun.com/chrisg/entry/good_morning_build_68
[05:29:31] <nachox> there it is, also the workaround
[05:35:30] <lloy0076> Thanks.
[05:35:48] <lloy0076> It's just that we use it at work :)
[05:49:20] <boyd> Tempt: pong
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[05:49:54] <boyd> Looks like Itanic is going well for those guys.... NOT
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[05:50:21] <nachox> quit reading thereg, it's killing you
[05:50:30] <boyd> Hehe.. not as bad as /.
[05:50:55] <nachox> no, /. tortures you and then kills you
[05:51:06] <boyd> On the other hand, as a Mac user I'm quite happy to not care at all about the delayed release of Office 2008 for the mac
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[05:54:52] <Tempt> boyd: ping
[05:54:57] <boyd> Tempt: pong
[05:55:10] <Tempt> boyd: Do you have any cheesy material on SunCluster?
[05:55:15] <Tempt> boyd: I'm trying to build a business case.
[05:55:18] <boyd> Cheesy?
[05:55:29] <Tempt> Pretty? Manager friendly?
[05:55:40] <boyd> Hmm... not as such... apart from the web site :)
[05:55:47] <boyd> There was not a bad blog post....
[05:56:02] * boyd looks
[05:56:15] <Tempt> I need something pretty-pretty
[05:56:25] <Tempt> Suitable for people sad enough that they think VCS is better
[05:57:01] <boyd> They may be beyond help...
[05:57:06] <Tempt> Indeed.
[05:57:15] <Tempt> Hence looking for anything that a sales weasel may use.
[05:57:44] <bda> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/08/your_web_browse.html # :o
[05:59:02] <boyd> Tempt: So you're seen all the data under http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/cluster/ I assume
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[06:02:32] <richlowe> fill a few slides with the number of names it's had, then finish off with "Buy this!"
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[06:03:28] <boyd> Hehe... it's not been as bad as the compilers or the web server
[06:04:38] <boyd> Tempt: bah.. I can't find it now.. there was a "features" doc that seems to be a thinly veiled "features we have that differentiate from VCS"
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[06:06:53] <Tempt> boyd: Hmm, I'll ask our salesweasel.
[06:07:15] <Tempt> boyd: I just don't want to get stuck with another VRTSfsckup
[06:07:25] <boyd> Yeah, make them do some work, rather than just play golf all the time
[06:07:32] <Tempt> Man.
[06:07:35] <Tempt> Sun sales guys playing golf.
[06:07:40] <Tempt> They get the biggest sales that way.
[06:07:44] <boyd> Too true
[06:07:51] <Tempt> McNealy plays golf with Sol Trujillo; Sol orders 100 E25ks.
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[06:08:20] <Tempt> IBM board plays golf with Sol Trujillo; Sol gives IBM 2 billion dollars a year to manage UNIX servers (none of which run AIX)
[06:08:42] <Tempt> If I wanted to be in IT sales, the first thing I'd do is buy some golf clubs and get to a driving range.
[06:08:45] <boyd> You'd have to wonder if they let him win :)
[06:09:20] <boyd> Ah, my slackers are back. Off to work I go.
[06:09:21] <Tempt> I wouldn't be surprised if they did any number of things, some of which shouldn't be mentioned in polite company.
[06:09:26] <Tempt> boyd: Give 'em hell.
[06:12:19] <lloy0076> If I don't come back, it BORKED!
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[07:00:16] <CIA-26> ahrens: 6393351 unique_* could be improved, 6553348 assertion failed: ab->b_flags & (1 << 3) at line 2572 of arc.c, 6582408 ::arc should accept -k/-m/-g to print in kilo/mega/giga-bytes, 6582438 should have generic reader-priority rwlock for spa_config locks, 6582441 zfs_cmd_t should only be used to pass arguments to/from userland, 6582456 property code is overdue for some spring cleaning, 6588564 zpl unmount lock should use regular rwlock
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[07:28:16] <timelyx> cool, they've fixed the UCB synopsis sections
[07:32:51] <WickedWicky> morning!
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[08:01:16] <dlynes_> To tie all the DVD image segments together, I would just do a cat file1 >> dvdimage.iso && cat file2 >> dvdimage.iso && cat file3 >> dvdimage.iso && cat file4 >> dvdimage.iso && cat file5 >> dvdimage.iso?
[08:01:33] <dlynes_> i..e for the Open Solaris DVD download segments?
[08:03:01] <trygvis> yep
[08:03:08] <dlynes_> Ok, thanks
[08:03:21] <trygvis> or cat file1 file2 file3 file4 etc > dvd.iso
[08:03:36] <dlynes_> Ah, ok
[08:03:37] <dlynes_> Even easier
[08:03:47] <dlynes_> Didn't know if that would work, or not
[08:05:11] <BatonT> anyone know how to get around the following error  "This agent binary is compiled for SunOS 5.10, not 5.11"
[08:05:46] <trygvis> which program are you running?
[08:05:54] <trygvis> sounds like you're trying to use old binaries
[08:05:59] <BatonT> trying to run a SNMP agent
[08:06:08] <BatonT> SystemEDGE Version 4.2 Patchlevel 5
[08:06:09] <BatonT> Copyright 2007 by Concord Communications, Inc.
[08:06:40] <dlynes_> Solaris 10 includes a volume manager?
[08:06:51] <boyd> Either hack the install script (if that's what complaining) or complain yourself to Concord
[08:07:16] <BatonT> boyd: already hacked the startup script...  its the binary complaining now
[08:07:52] <moazamraja> re
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[08:08:12] <BatonT> boyd: well i cant REALLY complain to CA (which now owns concord)  as im just putting agent on my solaris box at home for testing, the agent works fine on the systems i've put it on at work
[08:08:41] <moazamraja> it's amazing how fast the opensolaris lists (discuss) can go into cluserphuck mode
[08:13:52] <asyd> hm, xen is included in last nevada?
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[08:15:22] <jmcp> snv_66
[08:15:31] <jmcp> if you grab the build from the xen community pages
[08:15:38] <jmcp> it hasn't integrated into ON proper yet
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[08:30:16] <palowoda> On build 69 JDS right clicking on a file->properties just seems to reset the file browser.   Anybody else seeing this?
[08:30:30] <asyd> jmcp: ah ok
[08:30:31] <asyd> thanks
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[08:31:07] <Gekkko> admin at viagra dot com, sounds like a valid domain with valid email messages.
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[08:33:57] <toblun> i bet viagra.com got realy good uptime ;)
[08:34:47] <sickness> morning all
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[08:36:08] <WickedWicky> rawr, I am a dinosawr
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[08:39:21] <WickedWicky> morning
[08:42:24] <WickedWicky> i think I found the problems as of why c2d0 is acting stupid by the way. It's an even more stupid SATA cable acting even like a cheaper girl than the disk does
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[08:46:08] <BatonT> HAH tricked this crappy agent into running on solaris 2.11   hexedited the binary :)
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[08:47:53] <nachi> hi
[08:48:12] <lloy0076> My printer is able to do duplex printing, but its exact model number doesn't show up in the SXCE b59 printer admin thing.
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[08:48:27] <lloy0076> It does print correctly, but I can't see the duplex option.
[08:49:19] <lloy0076> It's a Kyocera FS 1030D
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[08:55:17] <WickedWicky> morning gman
[08:55:29] <Gman> hey there
[08:56:44] <palowoda> Are you back in NZ?
[08:57:02] <Gman> yep, finally :)
[08:57:31] <palowoda> You must be getting use to a bit of jet lag lately.
[08:57:51] <Gman> i'm using alcohol to cope
[08:57:57] <WickedWicky> haha
[08:58:24] <palowoda> Gman: what build are you running?
[08:58:37] <Gman> only 66 atm
[08:58:38] <delewis> it's amazing how cheap widescreen displays are, nowadays.
[08:58:47] <delewis> just picked up a 19" Samsung for $200.
[08:58:53] * Gman wishes he had pulled later iso's when he was in mpk
[08:58:58] <razrX> delewis: i agree
[08:59:22] <palowoda> Do me a favor in a gnome file manger right click on a file->properties  does it reset you file manager?
[08:59:32] <palowoda> pick any file
[08:59:34] <razrX> 22" LG for about 300 euros
[08:59:36] * delewis recalls when 4:3 and 5:4 19" displays were $700 or $800
[08:59:47] <delewis> that's a little expensive.
[09:00:00] <delewis> tigerdirect has 22" Samsungs for 300 USD.
[09:00:01] <razrX> i'm willing to pay that kind of money for it
[09:00:16] <razrX> these things tend to always cost more in europe :(
[09:00:21] <CIA-26> praks: 6588702 panic in vnevent_create(), 6588839 System panic's after zoneadm halt
[09:00:22] <delewis> http://www.flickr.com/photos/85894987@N00/993669867/
[09:00:25] <delewis> razrX, of course. :-)
[09:00:31] <Gman> palowoda, nope, don't have that issue
[09:00:36] <oxygene> delewis: with computer stuff, they never tend to go below 1:1 exchange from us$
[09:00:37] <Doc> hmm.. james eagleton had a kid
[09:00:42] <palowoda> must be something with build 69 than.
[09:01:03] <WickedWicky> that's one nice screen you have there delewis
[09:01:10] <razrX> palowoda: i'll try it for you on a 69 build
[09:01:19] <delewis> anyway, it feels good to be getting rid of my CRTs, especially the large, bulky Trinitrons I have.
[09:01:20] <razrX> will log out of E and into jds
[09:01:25] <delewis> WickedWicky, thanks.
[09:01:49] * WickedWicky replaced his 19" Samsung CRT for an LG 19" TFT
[09:01:56] <WickedWicky> safes me loads of space on my desk
[09:02:01] <delewis> yep.
[09:02:14] <delewis> I've got a 21" Trinitron that's consuming a huge amount of desk space in the other room.
[09:02:30] <Gekkko> I have really crappy monitors >_>
[09:02:35] <delewis> I'll be replacing that with a 22" widescreen and I'll probably drop another 19" on the desk that's pictured.
[09:02:36] <Chipdancer> I pensioned off a 24" widescreen CRT to a friend for that reason
[09:02:44] <Chipdancer> (too much desk real estate)
[09:02:45] <Gekkko> a 17" Packard Bell monitor, 75hz still has scanlines
[09:02:45] <WickedWicky> haha
[09:02:50] <Gekkko> and a dim and busted acer 15"
[09:02:51] <delewis> the XVR-1000 in the Blade 1000 really puts out a nice image, too.
[09:02:53] <Gekkko> dual monitor.
[09:02:54] <WickedWicky> Packard Bell
[09:02:55] <WickedWicky> ugh
[09:03:00] <delewis> comparable to Quadros, anyway.
[09:03:02] <WickedWicky> nice watch too btw
[09:03:06] <Gekkko> how well does Solaris support dual monitors?
[09:03:17] <delewis> Gekkko, as well as anything else does.
[09:03:29] <WickedWicky> it's more the driver, isnt it?
[09:03:32] <delewis> if you've got an Nvidia or a decent framebuffer you can do Xinerama in hardware.
[09:03:32] <jmcp> Gekkko: go and look at a Sun display at a trade show sometime :)
[09:03:43] <delewis> otherwise, you'll need to configure Xinerama
[09:04:07] <delewis> but other than that "it works"
[09:04:14] * WickedWicky still needs to setup dual screen on his laptop
[09:04:15] <delewis> there's some funky limitations regarding OpenGL, IIRC.
[09:04:43] <razrX> palowoda: i'm not really familiar with gnome
[09:04:56] <Gekkko> jmcp: I should.
[09:05:00] <razrX> i just doubleclicked the computer icon and it opened up the file browser
[09:05:03] <jmcp> razrX: short, hard buggers, painted, live at the bottom of the garden ...
[09:05:19] <palowoda> open the file manger.  right click on any file.  select properties.  Does it dispay the property type?
[09:05:38] <razrX> i'm looking at a properties screen now
[09:05:42] <razrX> just picked any random file
[09:05:47] <razrX> with several tabs
[09:05:57] <razrX> basic, emblems, permissions etc
[09:06:08] <palowoda> Damn, wonder why mine is reseting the file manager.
[09:06:25] <palowoda> razrX: This was build 69 right?
[09:06:28] <WickedWicky> cause you've been mean to it 6 months ago and file managers never forget
[09:06:29] <razrX> yah
[09:06:32] <palowoda> crap.
[09:06:45] <palowoda> Must be my problem.
[09:06:46] <razrX> Solaris Express Community Edition snv_69 X86
[09:07:11] <razrX> now we're on the subject of 69
[09:07:15] <zvrba> how often do new releases get out?
[09:07:19] <zvrba> (nevada) ?
[09:07:22] <razrX> i got shitloads of kernel warnings/errors on 1st boot
[09:07:28] <razrX> about my harddrive
[09:07:38] <razrX> a colleague at work had the same on his 69 build
[09:08:12] <palowoda> I did two installs of build 69 didn't see any warnings about hard drive errors.  IDE and SATA drives.
[09:08:20] <jmcp> razrX: 6586621 Multiple error during the Boot (Toshiba M5 / Build 69)
[09:08:25] <WickedWicky> neither here
[09:08:50] <razrX> hmm, this is on a dell optiplex gx620
[09:09:02] <razrX> liveupgraded from 68
[09:09:16] <razrX> have been lu'ing since the early 60 builds
[09:09:27] <razrX> never got it before
[09:09:28] <zvrba> how do you live-upgrade?
[09:09:41] <razrX> zvrba: 1 disk, 2 slices
[09:09:50] <razrX> toggling back and forth
[09:10:01] <zvrba> hmh
[09:10:20] <zvrba> *now* that helps nothing to me
[09:10:34] <razrX> than be more specific with yur question
[09:10:47] <zvrba> is it possible to install from a DVD on top of the current installation w/o reformattin?
[09:11:04] <zvrba> because I don't want to go through installing extra software and patching again
[09:11:15] <palowoda> jmcp: Interesting workaround in the bug.
[09:11:22] <jmcp> yeah
[09:11:56] <palowoda> If the ucode wasn't needed why was it there to begin with?
[09:12:16] <razrX> zvrba: http://pastebin.ca/644087
[09:12:25] <palowoda> Oh wait it a new feature I see.
[09:12:26] <razrX> 1 disk, 2 slices from lutab
[09:12:56] * razrX rushes out of gnome and back to his beloved E
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[09:13:09] <Gekkko> E
[09:13:13] <Gekkko> as in Enlightenment?
[09:13:18] <razrX> Gekkko: yah
[09:13:42] <palowoda> Still what would the ucode update have to do with the ide controller?
[09:13:57] <jmcp> no idea, but I know who'll be interested in it
[09:16:27] <zvrba> razrX: what about that file ?
[09:16:56] <razrX> zvrba: oh, thought you were interested in the LU on 1 disk setup
[09:17:01] <razrX> never mind then
[09:17:23] <zvrba> razrX: well, i was
[09:17:30] <zvrba> i just don't know how to interpret the file :)
[09:17:33] <zvrba> or what to do with it
[09:17:53] <razrX> it just shows you that 2 slices are being used for LU
[09:18:03] <razrX> you start with initial install of nevada
[09:18:13] <zvrba> ah, but i don't have 2 slices now :(
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[09:18:20] <razrX> you reserve diskspace for your LU slice if you only got 1 disk to work with
[09:19:40] <razrX> well, if you didn't reserve an extra slice for LU during initial setup of your box i think the only option you got left is to reserve diskspace on a 2nd drive
[09:19:56] <razrX> since you don't want to wipe out your curent install
[09:19:59] <zvrba> hmm i was wrong
[09:20:00] <zvrba> /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0       32G   5.8G    25G    19%    /
[09:20:01] <razrX> current even
[09:20:06] <zvrba> /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s7       35G   1.6G    33G     5%    /export/home
[09:20:11] <palowoda> Did they get the caiman project to ask you for the extra partition during the install?
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[09:20:57] <palowoda> s/partition/slice
[09:21:00] <zvrba> palowoda: i installed snv55b, it didn't ask anything
[09:21:13] <zvrba> but the total is 70G
[09:21:20] <palowoda> zvrbra: I'm talking about the future install.
[09:21:21] <zvrba> which means, I have ca. 70G of extra space left
[09:21:24] <zvrba> just unallocated
[09:21:31] <zvrba> :)
[09:21:49] <razrX> brb, getting some coffee
[09:21:55] <WickedWicky> coffee!
[09:21:58] <WickedWicky> me wants!
[09:22:29] <WickedWicky> I'm trying to pop my gmail box, christ
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[09:23:31] <WickedWicky> rawr, again
[09:23:41] <razrX> lol WickedWicky , kpn giving you shit again ? ;)
[09:23:57] <WickedWicky> well, no
[09:24:00] <WickedWicky> I am in the train, heading to work
[09:24:04] <WickedWicky> so I am with UMTS now
[09:24:08] <razrX> right
[09:24:22] <WickedWicky> and the train goes trough some protected nature thingy where they cant put UMTS antennas
[09:24:24] <WickedWicky> so weeeeeeee, away signal
[09:24:26] <razrX> commuting
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[09:24:56] <WickedWicky> I still dont see the logic in allowing a train track going right trough but no antenna can be placed
[09:25:19] <razrX> public transport suxors
[09:25:31] <WickedWicky> ya
[09:25:42] <delphi1000> hi
[09:25:55] <delphi1000> i'm a freshman
[09:26:09] <WickedWicky> better than frenchman
[09:26:28] <delphi1000> :(
[09:26:35] <WickedWicky> awww
[09:26:36] <WickedWicky> :**
[09:27:20] <WickedWicky> serious, I live in Lelystad, I cant say anything about anyone or anything
[09:27:21] <delphi1000> could you tell me how to logoff my account in solaris by command?
[09:27:27] <WickedWicky> exit
[09:28:28] <delphi1000> thank you
[09:28:33] <WickedWicky> de rien
[09:28:54] <delphi1000> are you in lelystad?
[09:29:05] <WickedWicky> yesh
[09:29:09] <delphi1000> ok
[09:29:12] <delphi1000> thank you
[09:29:14] <WickedWicky> well, not at the moment, but I live there for the time being
[09:29:44] <razrX> WickedWicky: my condolescences
[09:29:45] <WickedWicky> not that anybody knows where lelystad is anyway
[09:29:46] <razrX> ;)
[09:29:50] <WickedWicky> haha, oh you do
[09:29:51] <razrX> i do
[09:30:02] <WickedWicky> you're dutch, arent you
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[09:30:08] <razrX> no ;)
[09:30:17] <WickedWicky> oh :P
[09:30:33] <razrX> i lost too many years of my life in that shit hole
[09:30:34] <WickedWicky> well at least we have the Batavia werf
[09:30:42] <WickedWicky> lol, lelystad?
[09:30:43] <razrX> big deal ;)
[09:30:44] <razrX> yah
[09:30:47] <WickedWicky> haha
[09:31:11] <razrX> not that my current town is any better. well a tad
[09:31:12] <WickedWicky> we have the cool disco called Mystic! ever been there?
[09:31:13] <razrX> just a tad
[09:31:32] <WickedWicky> what? Dronten?
[09:31:36] <razrX> hahahaha, i recall having visited the place in 1 of my former lives
[09:31:38] <razrX> Almere
[09:31:41] <WickedWicky> LOL
[09:31:43] <WickedWicky> nee dat is wat
[09:31:51] <razrX> hey, english pleaz ;)
[09:31:57] <WickedWicky> Almere is something
[09:32:06] <razrX> i'd like to go back to amsterdam tho
[09:32:12] <WickedWicky> yea me too
[09:32:31] <WickedWicky> the thing is that a couple of years ago I moved to London, then to Rio de Janeiro and had nowhere to go when I came back
[09:32:40] <WickedWicky> and since my parents live in Lelystad, I went there
[09:32:56] <razrX> and about that "disco" .. i wouldn't know what disco's look like. i avoid those things as the plague ... am a metal head myself so
[09:33:06] <WickedWicky> \m/
[09:33:07] <razrX> bad choice WickedWicky
[09:33:17] * WickedWicky likes everything
[09:33:27] <razrX> lelyhole is prolly the largest sleeping town in whole of the netherlands
[09:33:48] <razrX> and they claim to be the capitol of the flevoland province
[09:33:49] <WickedWicky> best thing i ever did was going to Judge Jules in London wearing my "Touched by jesus, fingered by god" long sleeved shirt
[09:33:50] <razrX> hahaha, what a joke
[09:33:53] <WickedWicky> (Cradle for teh win, shirt wise)
[09:34:01] <razrX> kool
[09:34:06] <WickedWicky> razrX: no that'd be Dronten
[09:34:14] <razrX> really?
[09:34:37] <WickedWicky> well yea, thing is tho, they are renovating the entire center at the moment, sounds promissing, what they want
[09:34:47] <WickedWicky> they want to make build a V&D here, Bijenkorf, the whole lot
[09:34:49] <razrX> promises promises ;)
[09:35:05] <razrX> i for 1 won't be waiting for it
[09:35:07] <WickedWicky> but still, I think that you're better off taking the train for 30 mins and you're in the heart of Amsterdam
[09:35:11] <WickedWicky> Utrecht is cool too btw
[09:35:14] * razrX nods
[09:35:19] <razrX> about a'dam
[09:35:21] <razrX> :P
[09:35:24] <WickedWicky> haha
[09:35:29] <razrX> don't like utrecht
[09:35:36] <razrX> except for stairway to heaven
[09:35:37] <WickedWicky> I work in Amersfoort, which is a nice city as well
[09:35:47] <razrX> i work in utrecht, must be main reason for hating it
[09:35:49] <WickedWicky> stairway, I went there with queen's night
[09:35:53] <WickedWicky> ah
[09:36:05] <WickedWicky> they're tending to get a tad commercial though
[09:36:08] <razrX> i've been driving the A27 from almere for like 10 years now
[09:36:11] <razrX> i'm so sick of it
[09:36:16] <WickedWicky> yea
[09:36:18] <razrX> need to start looking for another job i suppose
[09:36:35] <WickedWicky> well, you'll always be stuck with A27/A1/A6
[09:36:39] <razrX> i know m8
[09:36:40] <WickedWicky> all three are a nightmare
[09:36:48] <razrX> too much cars in holland
[09:36:58] <razrX> and even more idiots claiming to be drivers
[09:37:03] <WickedWicky> lol
[09:37:04] <WickedWicky> so true
[09:37:14] <razrX> oh noes, 1 drop of rain, i'd better hit the brakes
[09:37:21] <WickedWicky> HAHAHA, you know it
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[09:37:30] <razrX> hey cmihai
[09:37:33] <WickedWicky> g'day cmihai
[09:37:51] <cmihai> G'day mate :-).
[09:38:03] <WickedWicky> I'd love to move back to Brazil.. I just dont see it happening
[09:38:10] <razrX> TGIF
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[09:38:20] <razrX> never been there
[09:38:37] <razrX> Brazil i mean
[09:38:49] <razrX> i've been to TGIF in London tho :)
[09:39:00] <razrX> nice place
[09:39:19] * WickedWicky saw Dimmu Borgir, Nevermore, In Flames and Lacuna Coil in london, in one show
[09:39:27] <razrX> wow, that's pretty kool
[09:39:32] <WickedWicky> yeah
[09:39:37] <WickedWicky> Nevermore rox
[09:40:00] <WickedWicky> in 2002 I was at Wacken Open Air
[09:40:01] <razrX> In Flames: did they play lots of songs from their 'Reroute to remain' album ?
[09:40:06] <WickedWicky> which is pretty amazing as well
[09:40:33] <razrX> i totally missed out on fields of rock this year :((
[09:40:35] <WickedWicky> they played lots of songs from what was their newest album at that moment
[09:40:37] <razrX> was hospitalized at the time
[09:40:44] <razrX> i was so bummed out
[09:40:49] <WickedWicky> oh, sorry to hear, nothing too serious I hope?
[09:41:04] <razrX> it was at the time for me. couldn't sit on my ass ;)
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[09:41:15] <razrX> i've just recovered. took a while to heal proper
[09:41:16] <WickedWicky> that is bad yea :P
[09:41:27] <WickedWicky> I hope you're doing good/better now
[09:41:34] <razrX> but thx for the concern m8 ;)
[09:41:44] <razrX> yah, i am
[09:41:45] <razrX> much
[09:42:03] <WickedWicky> ok, next stop is Amersfoort Central, where I have to get off
[09:42:08] <WickedWicky> see you all later I hope :)
[09:42:08] <WickedWicky> be good
[09:42:13] <razrX> tc WickedWicky
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[09:42:18] <WickedWicky> and for the people I don't see anymore, enjoy your weekends
[09:42:28] <razrX> you too m8
[09:42:41] <cmihai> Weekend you say? What, is it Friday already? :-)
[09:42:45] <razrX> lol
[09:42:52] <razrX> w00t w00t
[09:42:52] <cmihai> Oh, what do you know, it is :-]
[09:42:52] <WickedWicky> cmihai: ya!
[09:42:55] <WickedWicky> haha
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[09:46:42] <Chipdancer> can somebody explain to me how to take a live zfs pool (on a single disk) and add a second disk to the pool to create a mirror of the first disk?
[09:46:53] <Chipdancer> (taking rootfs zfs and creating mirrored root)
[09:47:15] <Chipdancer> I'm reading through the zpool manpage and suspect that th emirror command doesn't do 'quite' what I'm after
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[09:52:51] <Berny> zpool attach pool disk1 newdisk should do the trick
[09:58:46] <quasi> If device is not currently part of a mirrored configuration,  device  automatically  transforms  into a two-way mirror of device and new_device.
[09:58:53] <quasi> looks about right
[09:59:21] <bda> vdevs! Tranform and mirror up!
[09:59:24] * jmcp departs
[09:59:26] <bda> doh. Trans.
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[10:01:02] <Chipdancer> Berny, quasi: thanks
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[10:11:38] <Chipdancer> ok, I'm now at the point of trying to work out the correct name for the device in my rootfs pool but don't seem to be quite getting it
[10:12:30] <Chipdancer> zpool list shows me that I have a pool named tank, and a get all tank shows me that it has a property of bootfs and a value of tank/rootfs
[10:12:43] <Berny> zpool status and check what devs are in there
[10:12:44] <Chipdancer> the actual pool disk is c0t0d0s0 which I know because I created it
[10:12:53] <Chipdancer> Berny: thank you
[10:13:22] <Chipdancer> now, I tried zpool attach tank c0d0t0s0 c0t1d0s0 but it complained that no such device in pool
[10:13:30] <Chipdancer> do I need to specify full path /dev/rdsk/... ?
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[10:14:18] <Berny> usually no
[10:14:29] <Chipdancer> no, just tried and it complained too...
[10:14:45] <Chipdancer> ok, now this is weird, I just did the same command as before (scrollback) and it worked this time
[10:15:02] <Berny> earth magnetism :-)
[10:15:31] <Chipdancer> I really love that earth magnetism... extremely repeatable actins :/
[10:15:40] <Chipdancer> well, at least it says 23m to go
[10:16:06] <Chipdancer> given this is a mirrored root, I need to also write the bootloader to the disk
[10:16:33] <Chipdancer> how does one correctly write a grub with the zfs stage1.5 to the boot partition?
[10:17:42] <Chipdancer> installboot /usr/platform/`uname -i`/lib/fs/zfs/bootblk /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s0
[10:17:43] <Chipdancer> Error: installboot is obsolete. Use installgrub(1M)
[10:18:12] <Berny> use installgrub :-)
[10:18:23] <Chipdancer> hrmm, installgrub doesn't talk about stage1.5...
[10:18:45] <Chipdancer> ala /boot/grub/zfs_stage1_5
[10:19:25] <Chipdancer> so I guess I'm trying to work out if I should be installing stage1 and stage1_5 or just stage1 and stage2?
[10:19:41] <Berny> dunno  never tried that ebfore
[10:19:54] <Chipdancer> I used timf's zfs_install_root script to migrate from ufs to zfs
[10:19:57] <Chipdancer> that worked nicely
[10:20:08] <Chipdancer> perhaps I need to read the script for the installboot/installgrub arguments
[10:21:10] <Berny> would surely help
[10:21:53] <Chipdancer> nope, seems to just use stage1 then stage2
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[10:22:55] <Lucios> hi
[10:23:24] <Lucios> how to setup hogh performance cluster tools?
[10:23:25] <Chipdancer> thanks Berny
[10:23:58] <Lucios> *high
[10:24:53] <quasi> Lucios: first you take the install guide and read it...
[10:25:25] <Lucios> quasi: where to get install guide?
[10:25:50] <quasi> docs.sun.com prolly
[10:28:46] <quasi> or http://opensolaris.org/os/community/ha-clusters/
[10:30:13] <Gekkko> clusterf*ck
[10:30:14] <Gekkko> lol
[10:30:16] <quasi> which has plenty listed under documentation
[10:31:21] <Lucios> thanks every1
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[10:32:33] <timsf> hi all
[10:35:47] <quasi> hey hey
[10:37:13] <timsf> Anyone know the current state of SATA support in OpenSolaris - is it still a case of "might work, depending on your chipset?"
[10:38:11] <richlowe> I thought it was "May work as native sata, probably works in PATA emulation"
[10:38:18] <richlowe> I thought the real problems was devices that wouldn't do the emu.
[10:39:41] <timsf> Is there a way to tell which is which? ( underlying question - if I buy a new computer that isn't on the hcl, and can't find any evidence of others running Solaris on it, will it work :-)
[10:39:59] * timsf goes looking for the magic 8-ball
[10:40:24] <richlowe> timsf: stick to devices Sun ship in their own hardware? :)
[10:40:48] <timsf> Tricky, contemplating a little Shuttle barebones system
[10:40:57] <quasi> timsf: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/driverlist.html is usually pretty good at guessing support
[10:40:58] <timsf> nForce 580 chipset
[10:41:09] <timsf> Yeah, thought as much, thanks quasi
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[10:44:19] <quasi> nforce 580 doesn't seem to be widely used with google finding only 85 hits
[10:44:37] <st3fan> does it make sense to use zfs on top of a raid5 enclosure?
[10:44:55] <quasi> besides - isn't 580 crossfire/ati - that's probably not going to work
[10:45:12] <quasi> st3fan: turn off the raid5 and run it as jbod
[10:45:13] <timsf> Don't think so - here
[10:45:16] * timsf digs
[10:45:41] <st3fan> quasi: we have a storagetek 3320 .. don't think it can do jbod
[10:45:42] <timsf> http://www.komplett.ie/k/config.aspx?ConfigSystemId=10191
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[10:46:47] <quasi> nVidia nForce 570 MCP
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[10:47:55] <richlowe> bugger.
[10:48:04] <timsf> Any chance do you think? Planning on a 3 disk system, 2 500gb for a zfs mirror and one 160gb ide disk I have floating around for the os.
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[10:48:51] <Lucios> is that hpc same with HA cluster?
[10:49:15] <coffman_zzz> morning
[10:50:08] <delewis> are you asking if an HPC workload would benefit from HA software?
[10:50:26] <quasi> timsf: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=32046 - seems good
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[10:52:43] <Lucios> i need to setup hpc
[10:54:11] <timsf> Cheers quasi
[10:56:00] <delewis> the HA stuff won't help you then.
[10:56:20] <delewis> and 'setting up hpc' is ambiguous.
[10:56:21] <Lucios> won't help?
[10:56:28] <delewis> its for high availability.
[10:56:42] <delewis> failover of resource groups, etc.
[10:57:10] <quasi> for hpc you'd need something like n1-grid
[10:57:28] <delewis> that's still ambiguous
[10:57:33] <delewis> what kind of HPC are you wanting to do?
[10:57:44] <delewis> what's your workload? are you trying to scale it over multiple 'nodes'?
[10:57:52] <Lucios> yes
[10:58:19] <quasi> definetely not sun cluster then
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[10:58:31] <delewis> well, you could use something like MPI.
[10:58:41] <delewis> OpenMP won't work because you're wanting to scale over multiple nodes.
[10:59:02] <delewis> in any case, this isn't really Solaris-specific.
[10:59:37] <quasi> http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0607/820-1695.html might still be worth a read
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[11:11:32] <madhatter> Hello @all
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[11:12:46] <phips> mornin
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[11:18:58] <Gekkko> God the Linux horde are assholes >_>
[11:19:12] <Gekkko> severe egomaniacs.
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[11:21:11] <WickedWicky> rawr
[11:23:41] <timsf> they're just people Gekkko...
[11:24:02] <timsf> no need to pick fights now
[11:24:41] <Gekkko> no, they pick fights with people
[11:24:46] <Gekkko> that's my issue
[11:25:28] <richlowe> timsf: if you're referring to ahl's blog entry, it was hardly passive.
[11:25:37] <richlowe> uh.
[11:25:38] <richlowe> Gekko, rather.
[11:26:05] <Gekkko> I'm not
[11:26:06] <Gekkko> >_>
[11:26:09] <Gekkko> I'm referring to ##Linux
[11:27:20] <timsf> Just let 'em have their fun - the last thing anyone needs is more UNIX wars.
[11:27:43] <Gekkko> lol
[11:27:53] <Gekkko> I mean how they mock people that need help
[11:28:01] <richlowe> the last ones only ended when half the people involved bought eachother or went out of business.
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[11:29:17] <Gekkko> lol
[11:29:20] <Gekkko> SCO vs IBM?
[11:29:23] <HarryR> :)
[11:29:28] <HarryR> SCO v World
[11:29:31] <richlowe> (Apollo, DEC, HP are all HP now, IBM, Siemens, Nixdorf are all IBM)
[11:29:48] <HarryR> and Compaq...
[11:30:09] <HarryR> I hate how HP have killed off Tru64 in favor of HP-UX
[11:30:22] <richlowe> compaq weren't unixy, certainly not hamilton group/OSF-ish
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[11:33:05] <HarryR> :\ fair enough
[11:34:55] <Gekkko> isn't Solaris very close to the original UNIX?
[11:35:00] <Gekkko> with good additions
[11:36:08] <delewis> there's a line of heritage back to Bell Labs UNIX.
[11:36:11] <delewis> that's about it.
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[11:37:36] <HarryR> nothing's close to the original unix, closest you can probably get is very sysv systems like earlier unixware or sunos
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[11:43:13] <Gekkko> that's what I mean't or was getting at
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[11:44:33] <HarryR> Hell, SunOS is BSD based anyway :\
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[11:47:12] <Gekkko> ew.w
[11:48:41] <coffman> pah, who cares? unix is dead anyways
[11:49:27] <Gekkko> In theory.
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[11:50:14] <coffman> no it is. only the funeral takes a bit "longer"
[11:50:33] <HarryR> people keep digging the body up to check it's still dead
[11:50:38] <HarryR> bloody vampyres
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[11:57:00] <HarryR> How does suns relationship with SCO differ from SCO's relationship with IBM?
[12:01:35] <Tempt> Sun doesn't have a relationship with SCO
[12:01:41] <Tempt> IBM is in a legal battle with SCO.
[12:03:50] <Tempt> EOF
[12:04:03] <HarryR> nah, I mean what's the fundamental difference between Solaris and AIX which means Sun isn't targeted by SCO?
[12:04:22] <Tempt> AIX isn't a target of the SCO/IBM lawsuit.
[12:04:43] <Tempt> IBM's contributions to Linux are a target of the SCO/IBM lawsuit.
[12:04:52] <flyingparchment> afaik, SCO claimed to revoke the license on code IBM uses in AIX, but AIX is nothing to do with SCO's problem.
[12:04:55] <flyingparchment> that's all linux.
[12:05:09] <HarryR> ah nm
[12:05:12] <HarryR> fuzzy head :\
[12:05:49] <flyingparchment> sun probably wrote half the sysv code to start with ;-) didn't a lot of it come from sunos4?
[12:05:59] <delewis> no.
[12:06:10] <delewis> actually, Sun appears to have gotten a good deal of their SystemV code from SCO.
[12:06:21] <HarryR> the real SCO that is
[12:06:22] <Tempt> Different SCO
[12:06:28] <delewis> Tarantella SCO.
[12:06:37] <Tempt> Santa Cruz -> Tarantella -> Sun
[12:06:47] <Tempt> Sun bought the whole company anyway.
[12:07:00] <Tempt> So the original SCO is now a division of SUNW.
[12:07:10] <Tempt> And Caldera SCO is just out full of hate.
[12:07:16] <Tempt> This is what gets me.
[12:07:21] <flyingparchment> according to WP, svr4 took vfs, nfs, vm, shared libraries and openwindows from sunos
[12:07:28] <Tempt> Caldera/SCO sued Microsoft for a bullshit claim.
[12:07:28] <PerterB> right, but Sun licensed the SVR4 code from AT&T long before that
[12:07:39] <Tempt> The Slashdot crowd went wild.
[12:07:55] <Tempt> Caldera/SCO sued IBM (and a lot of others) over Linux for an equally bullshit claim
[12:07:58] <Tempt> This is "bad".
[12:07:59] <delewis> PerterB, sure.
[12:08:02] <Tempt> Make your mind up ....
[12:08:23] <PerterB> you're expecting reason from the Slashdot crowd? :)
[12:08:34] <Tempt> Not at all.
[12:08:37] <Tempt> Just railing against them.
[12:08:48] <Cyrille> bit too easy, isn't it?
[12:08:51] <Tempt> and their anti-anything-that-isn't-penguin ways.
[12:09:12] <Tempt> I was trying to have a civil beer conversation with our network admin tonight.
[12:09:22] <Tempt> Some fucking slashdot weenie overheard us and decided to butt in.
[12:09:27] <Tempt> He nearly got fucking killed.
[12:10:14] <Tempt> But there's a level of brainwashing out there.
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[12:10:26] <Tempt> People really do believe Linux=good; everything else=evil.
[12:10:32] <Cyrille> reminds me of the old times of the Iranian revolution (and Ayatollah Khomeini) when they established the Great Satan (the USA) and the Small Satans (UK, France and Israel if memory serves).
[12:10:36] <Tempt> They hate the Free/Net/Open BSD guys just as much.
[12:11:13] <Cyrille> Great Satan is MS and the Small ones are whoever isn't Linux.
[12:11:16] <Tempt> I remember a Linux group crowing about the "big win" they had.
[12:11:27] <Tempt> They moved a few firewalls from FreeBSD to Linux.
[12:11:33] <Tempt> "big win".
[12:11:51] <Tempt> Nah, in the Linux community, Microsoft isn't a Satan.
[12:11:59] <Tempt> The Linux guys all use XP or Vista for a desktop anyway.
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[12:12:09] <razrX> Tempt: *sigh*
[12:12:13] <Tempt> The Great Satan is whoever is taking away from Linux market share ...
[12:12:18] <razrX> that's so lame
[12:12:19] <HarryR> Tempt, mainly due to business requirements
[12:12:21] <razrX> those guys
[12:12:57] <HarryR> hadn't used windows for 3-4 years before I joined this company, then I was pushed into the deepend running Microsoft Outlook and XP :\
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[12:13:26] <HarryR> so XP is like a fancy e-mail reader and X11 server
[12:14:00] <stefanha> How do I determine the CPU cache size on Solaris amd64?  I can't find it in /usr/sbin/prtdiag -v output.
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[12:14:32] <Tempt> At work I'm still using a Blade-100 and Solaris 10 (stripped down quite a bit to run fast on the 100)
[12:15:05] <Gekkko> is it possible to shrink OpenSolaris to under 100mb?
[12:15:10] <razrX> i use nevada 69 at work myself and freebsd
[12:15:25] * delewis just carries his Tadpole into work
[12:15:35] <oxygene> Gekkko: likely yes - some just have to do it
[12:15:38] <Tempt> I did Sol10 in about 120Mb for a DNS server.
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[12:15:40] <flyingparchment> Gekkko: yes, the failsafe miniroot on x86 is smaller than that.  you could probably remove some of that too.  but you won't end up with muc hof the OS
[12:15:43] <delewis> I've got that and a Sun Ray setup at my desk.
[12:15:53] <Gekkko> so very very cool
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[12:16:00] <Gekkko> this OS is becoming so much nicer to my eye
[12:16:01] <Tempt> delewis: Yeah, but you've got the 4500 of d000000m.
[12:16:06] <delewis> that's at home.
[12:16:11] <Gekkko> what it seems to me is it is an extremely flexible OS
[12:16:12] <delewis> there's no way in fuck I'm bringing that into work.
[12:16:12] <Tempt> delewis: BTW, did you get the TGXs I sent you?
[12:16:18] <Gekkko> that can handle massive chop suey
[12:16:18] <Gekkko> :P
[12:16:19] <delewis> Tempt, negative.
[12:16:22] <delewis> been meaning to ask you about that.
[12:16:23] <Tempt> delewis: Really?
[12:16:32] <Tempt> delewis: AusPost being shit.
[12:16:35] <delewis> maybe shipping to AU is really, really slow.
[12:16:38] <Tempt> delewis: I sent them uber-cheap mail.
[12:16:41] <Gekkko> AU is slow
[12:16:41] <delewis> ah.
[12:16:44] <Gekkko> and they lose shit
[12:16:54] <delewis> going over an ocean tends to have that effect.
[12:17:03] <Tempt> Given a pair of TGXs are worth, like $5, I wasn't buying insurance or anything.
[12:17:04] <coffman> delewis: so why not use it via sunray at work? :P
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[12:17:17] <coffman> accutech got some nice laptop style ones
[12:17:19] <delewis> coffman, the labor involved in bringing that *and* the A5200 in.
[12:17:20] <cmihai> stefanha: "isainfo -v" for CPU info, "psrinfo -v" also. prtconf -v should list cache size and scuh...
[12:17:22] <Tempt> I use my home Solaris machines all the time.
[12:17:27] <Tempt> SSGD.
[12:17:30] <delewis> and the A5200 is currently also attached to my Ultra 2, which is my fileserver.
[12:17:35] <stefanha> cmihai: Thanks :)
[12:17:36] <delewis> Tempt, I do that, too.
[12:17:59] <delewis> I wouldn't really mind bringing the E4500+A5200 in, its just the fact the A5200 is also being used by another system at the moment.
[12:18:11] <Tempt> Love the SSGD.
[12:18:16] <delewis> I'd probably be able to get an IP to throw the E4500 on.
[12:18:23] <Tempt> Our DBAs are now using my home systems to test Oracle parameters.
[12:18:29] <Gekkko> OpenSolaris on an Amiga 500 would amuse me so.
[12:18:30] <Tempt> Because none of the work systems have enough spare resources.
[12:18:31] <delewis> Tempt, funny.
[12:18:36] <coffman> just leave it at home and use it via sray?
[12:18:41] <Gekkko> it's completely impossible.
[12:18:46] <Tempt> Whereas the DBAs have a zone to play in.
[12:18:57] <Tempt> I don't mind if they need 8Gb of RAM to test something.
[12:19:08] <flyingparchment> Gekkko: no MMU, so you couldn't put a real OS there
[12:19:26] <Gekkko> you mocking uClinux?
[12:19:26] <Gekkko> :P
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[12:20:48] <Tempt> Not to mention if the DBAs are mucking around on my home system they don't need to stress about licenses.
[12:21:17] <delewis> well, if they're just testing parameters, I think that'd fall under the 'development' clause in the license.
[12:21:36] <delewis> development/testing, anyway.
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[12:56:32] <aruiz> is there any smf guru on the room?
[13:00:49] <CIA-26> jj204856: 6583268 tmpfs tries too hard to reserve memory
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[13:07:27] <jamesd> aruiz, no. but you can check out  blastwave.org/smf it has lots of links and manifests.
[13:07:55] <timsf> Define 'guru' aruiz - I've written a few SMF services, but if this is about our conversation yesterday, I'm guessing you're looking for more of an expert than I!
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[13:12:01] <quasi> asking an actual question might help ;)
[13:12:50] <Cyrille> that'd be too simple
[13:14:03] <quasi> next thing he'll be describing the problem as "it doesn't work"
[13:15:43] <richlowe> aruiz: what's the problem?
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[13:21:59] <aruiz> oops
[13:22:17] <aruiz> sorry I was at lunch
[13:23:06] <aruiz> timsf, guru as in trying to know more about yesterday's topic on integrating APOC with smf configuration backend
[13:23:18] <timsf> Right, I read your mind then!
[13:23:21] <aruiz> :)
[13:23:34] <richlowe> Yeah, that'd probably be something to ask smf-discuss@ about.
[13:23:55] * aruiz subscribing
[13:25:32] <quasi> like http://blog.rootshell.be/2006/07/23/apoc-dos/ ?
[13:28:14] <solar-star> Hi
[13:28:58] <solar-star> Maybe anyone to know how to find out
[13:28:59] <solar-star> how much bytes in one cylinder?
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[13:33:59] <aruiz> quasi, the other way around
[13:36:33] <Stric> solar-star: height * pi * (r^2)  ;)
[13:37:04] <solar-star> amusing ;-)
[13:38:39] <solar-star> I am right now defining the slices for a partition
[13:38:40] <solar-star> For optimal use I would like to know how much
[13:38:42] <solar-star> size to spend each slice by calculating.
[13:38:43] <aruiz> quasi, the idea is to use apoc to configure an SMF deployment, to setup wich services are enabled or disabled in a centralized fashion
[13:41:44] <quasi> aruiz: I imagine a very simple hack would be to simply download a profile and apply it very early on
[13:42:12] <quasi> should be pretty simple afaict
[13:42:15] <aruiz> quasi, executing commands with ssh remotely is easier
[13:42:18] <richlowe> the design of SMF allows the possibility of a networked repository.
[13:42:21] <richlowe> the implementation doesn't.
[13:42:22] <solar-star> I found the information under the fdisk
[13:42:24] <solar-star> command output
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[13:42:45] <aruiz> richlowe, can you go further in "the implementation doesn't"?
[13:42:46] <aruiz> :)
[13:42:55] <quasi> aruiz: the command could be svccfg apply profile.xml or something like that
[13:43:41] <quasi> doing seperate commands seems a bit silly unless you want it to happen at other times than boot
[13:45:50] <richlowe> aruiz: from memory, it was designed with the ability to host the reposity in LDAP in mind, but that was never implemented.
[13:47:58] <Cyrille> aruiz, how do you want to integrate APOC with SMF (it's already an SMF service, you know)?
[13:48:20] <richlowe> Cyrille: the other way around, I think.
[13:48:26] <richlowe> Cyrille: such that SMF can be controlled via APOC
[13:48:36] <Cyrille> yes I see now
[13:48:38] <aruiz> richlowe, yup
[13:49:01] <Cyrille> but there might be a bit of chicken and egg there seeing as it is an SMF service.
[13:49:15] <aruiz> Cyrille, you can talk with apoc on runtime
[13:49:26] <aruiz> Cyrille, you don't talk with it at all if it's not up
[13:49:28] <aruiz> :)
[13:49:44] <aruiz> Isn't that what applications already do?
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[14:09:53] <Cyrille> aruiz, my concern is the following flow -> SMF starts -> SMF tries to talk to APOC which it hasn't started yet -> SMF uses its local config -> SMF starts some services -> SMF starts APOC -> some services shouldn't have been started according to APOC (or others should have) -> when/how is SMF going to notice?
[14:10:26] <aruiz> Cyrille, what if apoc starts just after the network?
[14:10:54] <aruiz> Cyrille, and you don't allow to apply profile settings on services that goes before apoc?
[14:11:05] <aruiz> does that makes sense?
[14:11:10] <quasi> aruiz: it would probably work if you made all the other services depend on apoc
[14:11:24] <Cyrille> yes, but that's a bit of a strong constraint
[14:11:32] <quasi> but that would mean hacking all services
[14:11:59] <Cyrille> Note that I'm not saying it's feasible, it probably requires SMF's startup to be apoc-aware and conscious that it needs to start APOC which is one of its services.
[14:12:08] <quasi> I'd probably be lazy and hack apoc into the network services
[14:12:38] <Cyrille> so that we have SMF starts -> SMF starts APOC (after its dependent services) -> SMF asks APOC and its local config about the rest of the services.
[14:12:53] <aruiz> yup
[14:12:54] <Cyrille> not a huge deal, just needs to be kept in mind.
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[14:22:30] <t35t0r> is zfs clustered? can i have multiple boxes attached to the same logical device/lun?
[14:22:39] <flyingparchment> t35t0r: no
[14:22:46] <t35t0r> what FC HBAs are supported?
[14:22:49] <flyingparchment> well, you can, but you need to export/import the pool
[14:22:54] <t35t0r> flyingparchment, ack it's not :(
[14:22:58] <flyingparchment> supported for hat?
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[14:23:20] <t35t0r> export/import the entire pool or the metadata?
[14:23:33] <flyingparchment> the pool.  afaik there's no way to just export metadata.
[14:23:46] <t35t0r> so i'd just be mirroring everything ?
[14:23:56] <flyingparchment> i don't know what you mean
[14:24:03] <t35t0r> a pool is all the data right?
[14:24:10] <flyingparchment> zfs is the same as any other single-reader/writer filesystem
[14:24:11] <flyingparchment> yes
[14:24:18] <t35t0r> oh well
[14:24:30] <t35t0r> any OSS options for clustering filesystems?
[14:24:40] <flyingparchment> SAM-QFS is about to be open sourced
[14:24:55] <t35t0r> XSan really sucks, it crashes just sitting there looking pretty
[14:25:15] <delewis> I can't say I'm surprised.
[14:25:40] <t35t0r> it's not the hardware ..i made a straight HFS LD/LUN and moved 1TB into it ..xsan would have crashed after a few gigs
[14:25:56] <t35t0r> so looking for options ..
[14:26:13] <flyingparchment> t35t0r: qfs
[14:26:21] <flyingparchment> it supports non-solaris clients as well
[14:26:22] <delewis> the consensus is that Xsan isn't stable.
[14:26:25] <delewis> its not just you.
[14:26:31] <delewis> there was a recent discussion on freebsd-fs about it.
[14:26:33] <t35t0r> does it run on apple? or linux on ppc?
[14:26:41] <flyingparchment> probably neither of those
[14:26:44] <t35t0r> crap
[14:26:50] <t35t0r> well they'll go on ebay
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[14:27:26] <t35t0r> delewis, have a link?
[14:28:19] <delewis> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2007-August/003587.html
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[14:31:21] <t35t0r> what is this onefs
[14:32:10] <t35t0r> looking ..
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[14:34:52] <t35t0r> man they screwed us over
[14:35:05] <t35t0r> i want my money back
[14:36:01] <pjlv> hi
[14:36:30] <pjlv> can ipf be configured to drop a zero byte udp packet
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[14:48:49] <iMax> QFS is going to be open sourced?
[14:49:26] <sickness> should be... last I heard
[14:50:29] <iMax> ok, I guess that will still take a while
[14:50:56] <iMax> until then I would have to reuse the machines we have a QFS license for :)
[14:52:59] <sickness> heh
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[15:03:01] <tsoome> does anyone have idea what vxvm license tier would apply for M4000, 4x 2.15GHz SPARC64 VI ?
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[15:16:15] <quasi> tsoome: the one that costs 2*ludicrous would be my guess
[15:17:31] <Cyrille> wouldn't that just be the basic license?
[15:23:42] <SYS64738> has someone used dlg's mfi drivers in s10 ?
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[15:27:51] <WickedWicky> someone offer me a job and get me away from here
[15:27:52] <WickedWicky> ffs
[15:28:16] <WickedWicky> or give me a caffeine shot which will knock me down for a year or two
[15:30:38] <aruiz> ?
[15:31:06] <quasi> WickedWicky: the joys of telco?
[15:31:14] <WickedWicky> the joys of stupidity'
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[15:32:12] <WickedWicky> ah well
[15:32:21] <WickedWicky> at least we'll hit the 30 degrees celcius this weekend
[15:32:47] <quasi> stupidity does usually seem to concentrate a bit around telcos ;)
[15:32:52] <Tempt> Hey guys.
[15:32:57] <Tempt> I just found an iPod 'sploit.
[15:33:04] <WickedWicky> oh noes
[15:33:14] <Tempt> Should I post full disclosure or blackmail teh evil white company of doom?
[15:33:22] <WickedWicky> quasi: especialy at telcos that wanna act like an ISP?
[15:33:38] <WickedWicky> is my Ipod video  80GB at risk?
[15:33:47] <Tempt> Yes.
[15:33:52] * WickedWicky nukes the ipod
[15:33:57] <Tempt> Your iPod video 80Gb (the same as mine) is definately at risk.
[15:34:02] <Tempt> I can crash it with one MP3 file.
[15:34:03] <WickedWicky> how sweet
[15:34:13] <WickedWicky> bad encoding or?
[15:34:14] <quasi> WickedWicky: yah, telco-isp - been there, done that, still has the t-shirt
[15:34:22] <Tempt> Special tags.
[15:34:29] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: rebootse it?
[15:34:41] <Tempt> I've been crashing my iPod for the last three days and restoring it continually trying to sync my mp3s.
[15:34:49] <Tempt> I finally found the file that does it and found how it does it.
[15:35:05] <Tempt> It doesn't reboot it, it corrupts the itunes database/firmware and it won't boot until you do a "restore" operation.
[15:35:06] <WickedWicky> that's not good.
[15:35:16] <tsoome> quasi: ofc it will cost, but the machines are sold and client environment is based on VxVM, so there is no need to change it...
[15:35:41] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: which tag?
[15:35:47] <Tempt> Ooh, that'd be telling.
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[15:36:01] <Tempt> I need to work out which mailing list to post this to before someone else steals my thunder.
[15:36:16] <Tempt> After years of hating Apple, I'd love to get a 'sploit post out there.
[15:36:17] <Gekkko[PDA]> Tempt: pm me then.
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[15:36:41] <Gekkko[PDA]> i don't need to steal thunder
[15:37:21] <quasi> Tempt: one of the securityfocus lists would most likely be good
[15:37:31] <Tempt> Hmm, good idea.
[15:37:43] <Tempt> I'll do some more testing and find the exact details and post it, complete with HA-HA.
[15:37:55] <quasi> Tempt++
[15:38:05] <sickness> HA-HA++
[15:38:06] <Tempt> My only concern is ...
[15:38:09] <Tempt> If it gets released ...
[15:38:16] <Tempt> Will the RIAA start poisoning torrents?
[15:38:46] <WickedWicky> why? its not the first mp3 exploit that exists
[15:38:53] <Tempt> Really?
[15:39:01] <Tempt> There have been other mp3 sploits that work in the wild?
[15:39:10] <nachox> morning
[15:39:11] <quasi> Tempt: how many seconds would it take to write a cleaner even if they did?
[15:39:15] <WickedWicky> yea, there were exploits that'd let you execute code by a malformed mp33 tag
[15:39:37] <WickedWicky> for winamp/mediaplayer/whatever
[15:39:42] <Tempt> Aah, okay.
[15:39:55] <Tempt> The idea that a single dodgy mp3 can render an iPod unbootable is fucking sad though.
[15:40:02] <WickedWicky> it sure is
[15:40:17] <WickedWicky> you should test a creative zen or something
[15:40:24] <WickedWicky> see if its also vunerable
[15:40:36] <Tempt> Nifty.
[15:40:48] <Tempt> I can get my hands on a Creative MuVu just by ratting through my drawer, so that's easy.
[15:41:00] <WickedWicky> it's worth the try IMO
[15:41:43] <Tempt> Cool.
[15:42:00] <Tempt> Aah well, I guess when you see it on the mailinglists, you'll know where it came from.
[15:42:27] <WickedWicky> I wont tell Apple
[15:43:10] <Tempt> There appears to be a current climate of not telling Apple about any 'sploits on their platforms.
[15:43:15] <Tempt> Charge them for the information instead.
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[15:43:32] <Tempt> Not really in the best traditions, IMHO.
[15:43:37] <leal> hello..
[15:43:45] <Tempt> Hello, leal. Do you have an iPod?
[15:43:48] <WickedWicky> I meant: I won't tell apple it was you :P
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[15:44:02] <leal> Tempt: no. :)
[15:44:12] <Tempt> leal: Then I won't be able to crash it for you.
[15:44:37] <leal> do you know how can i remove a "whole" package group from command line? I want to remove sun studio
[15:45:29] <oxygene> hmm.. prodreg is the official way, but I'm not sure if it has a CLI
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[15:46:15] <leal> pkgrm do not accept a "class" of packages.. right?
[15:46:27] <leal> oxygene: i will use prodreg... :)
[15:46:27] <oxygene> leal: man prodreg
[15:46:37] <oxygene> an alternative would be: yes | pkgrm `cd /var/sadm/pkg; ls -d SPRO*`
[15:46:38] <oxygene> ;)
[15:46:39] <richlowe> it accepts categories, but they're too broad to be safe to use for that purposes.
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[15:50:04] <leal> richlowe: thanks. i'm using prodreg.
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[16:12:12] <willm1> does anyone know how to set an alternative top directory for pkgbuild?
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[16:12:24] <willm1> i don't want it to use $HOME/packages
[16:13:08] <laca> willm1: cat ~/.pkgbuildmacros
[16:13:08] <laca> %_topdir /jds/laca/packages
[16:15:31] <willm1> aha! %_topdir, not %topdir
[16:18:13] <willm1> that works, thanks
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[16:26:54] <WickedWicky> see ya all later
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[16:29:28] <StylusEater_Work> was the new installer started?
[16:30:03] <richlowe> 'started'?
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[16:30:26] <richlowe> (work has been happening for quite a while, though only part of it)
[16:31:05] <StylusEater_Work> the last time I worked with dev express there existed a 756MB limitation on installation... my research and comments from other users in this channel indicated a new installer was being worked on that would encompass all "versions"
[16:31:48] <StylusEater_Work> just wondering about the status... (I know I could have searched online, but I figured I'd be "conversational" ... :-) )
[16:31:57] <StylusEater_Work> richlowe: part of it?
[16:32:09] <StylusEater_Work> richlowe: it's stalled? or only part is finished?
[16:32:19] <sickness> caiman project?
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[16:32:37] <sickness> reading the project site and the various blog, seems to be on its way...
[16:32:47] <StylusEater_Work> sickness: yes
[16:32:55] <StylusEater_Work> sickness: thx
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[16:33:34] <StylusEater_Work> sickness: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Dwarf/ ?
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[16:42:27] <Snake007uk> StylusEater_Work: so new installer (beta/alpha) will be in the next solaris express?
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[16:47:50] <sickness> StylusEater_Work: yeah :)
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[16:51:19] <aruiz> timsf, ping?
[16:51:42] <timsf> yo
[16:52:10] <aruiz> timsf, you have something in your inbox
[16:52:11] <aruiz> :)
[16:53:07] <timsf> Nice - you'll get a better audience if you don't call it "GNOME DTrace Day" (or put the sun banner on it :-)
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[16:53:39] <timsf> guess it depends on the audience of course ;-)
[16:53:44] <aruiz> yes...
[16:53:47] <timsf> FreeDesktop.org DTrace Day, perhaps ?
[16:53:53] <aruiz> heh
[16:54:50] <StylusEater_Work> Snake007uk: you'd have to ask one of the opensolaris board members 'bout that
[16:54:51] <aruiz> timsf, in my initial idea, the target would be gnome developers
[16:55:24] <aruiz> Snake007uk, I think build 71 or 72
[16:55:32] <timsf> I agree, but why exclude people who aren't gnome fans from the audience
[16:55:48] <Snake007uk> ok
[16:55:51] <Snake007uk> thanks guys
[16:55:52] <timsf> (I'm guessing the techniques you want to teach on the day aren't gnome specific)
[16:56:13] <aruiz> timsf, I think that we should split the thing into two different events
[16:56:14] <timsf> (or desktop specific, for that matter)
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[16:56:26] <timsf> 'cause that's so much easier to organise ? ;-p
[16:56:31] <aruiz> nope
[16:57:00] <StylusEater_Work> is there a build farm end users can access to do sparc specific builds?
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[16:57:17] <aruiz> timsf, cause we are trying to solve two different problems...
[16:58:36] <aruiz> timsf, one problem is, spreading the word about dtrace on the OSUG, and another one is trying to show a target community how dtrace can help them
[16:59:04] <timsf> brb
[16:59:13] <aruiz> ok
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[17:06:31] <Pietro_S> StylusEater_Work: would be cool, but you can cross-compile your package for sparc ...
[17:07:59] <StylusEater_Work> Pietro_S: yeah I know, but that means I have to setup a cross-compilation environment on my linux systems (as I don't have other OS installs atm besides OS-X and linux) .. is there even a cross-compiler for sparc on linux?
[17:08:05] <StylusEater_Work> gcc-sparc or something maybe?
[17:08:26] <StylusEater_Work> Pietro_S: it'd be nice to have something like koji for opensolaris
[17:08:45] <oxygene> StylusEater_Work: you can build your own sparc-solaris crosscompiler that runs on linux, it's not easy, though
[17:09:01] <oxygene> StylusEater_Work: sourceforge.net used to have one or two sparc-solaris systems in their build farm
[17:10:19] <StylusEater_Work> oxygene & Pietro_S: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/
[17:10:35] <StylusEater_Work> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji
[17:10:44] <StylusEater_Work> that'd be neat to get setup...
[17:11:08] <StylusEater_Work> the code is open and I'd imagine it'd be a doable port to a solaris (sparc and opteron) farm
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[17:12:22] <oxygene> StylusEater_Work: only seems to support packages
[17:12:54] <StylusEater_Work> oxygene: it is a package build system yes... but it'd be possible to turn that into something more maybe...
[17:13:21] <StylusEater_Work> oxygene: I'm simply talking about the model.  It's a trusted party remote (and distributed) build system
[17:13:33] <oxygene> StylusEater_Work: sourceforge provides ssh access to build systems
[17:13:51] <oxygene> though it seems like they discontinued it..
[17:13:59] <oxygene> http://sitedocs.sourceforge.net/status/support_cfstatus.html
[17:14:45] <StylusEater_Work> oxygene: I know they used to, but they've been tight on funds and cutting a lot lately... besides, opensolaris is here to stay, infrastructure like a trusted remote & distributed build system might be helpful for growing the ecosystem.
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[17:16:25] <StylusEater_Work> oxygene: just a thought...
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[17:16:55] <oxygene> maybe that's something the distributions should provide
[17:17:51] <StylusEater_Work> ?
[17:18:10] <StylusEater_Work> so each distribution should make their own build system?
[17:18:26] <StylusEater_Work> kind of makes sense if you follow the gnu/linux model, but I thought opensolaris wanted to be different...
[17:18:41] <StylusEater_Work> :-)
[17:19:28] <esproul> where can i rtfm about deciphering device path information, like /devices/sbus@a,0/SUNW,socal@d,10000/sf@0,0:fc
[17:19:31] <oxygene> "be different"? better not, no need to provoke ligitation from apple ;)
[17:20:03] <StylusEater_Work> :-p
[17:20:26] <esproul> i'd like to know what each component represents ( i can see the driver names, but i'm still trying to understand the enumeration process)
[17:23:36] <timsf> aruiz, back..
[17:23:43] <aruiz> timsf, :)
[17:24:06] <timsf> you were saying about 2 separate events - woudl there be sufficient interest?
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[17:27:13] <aruiz> timsf, /msg identify?
[17:27:15] <aruiz> :)
[17:27:27] <timsf> forgot bloody password.
[17:27:42] <timsf> any way to get it to mail to me?
[17:28:22] <aruiz> errrr
[17:28:52] <Cyrille> do you remember providing your email address when you registered?
[17:29:13] <Cyrille> (I don't so I don't think that's an option)
[17:29:20] <aruiz> that's not an option
[17:29:21] <aruiz> X-)
[17:29:47] <timsf> Yep, I set my email address,
[17:29:51] <aruiz> timsf, ask in #freenode
[17:30:02] <timsf> but can't find anywhere to get it to send to me..
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[18:10:30] <oninoshiko> what does "cannot remove device links for 'tank/share1': dataset still busy mean?
[18:11:06] <StylusEater_Work> oninoshiko: what context?
[18:11:34] <StylusEater_Work> oninoshiko: most likely you're trying to unmount? or remove a device? that's in use by some process... or at least it thinks it is
[18:12:28] <oninoshiko> tryoing to restore a snapshot of a zfs that was shared via iscsi
[18:12:57] <WickedWicky> tank/share1 is still mounted somewhere I think
[18:13:04] <StylusEater_Work> oninoshiko: most likely
[18:13:08] <WickedWicky> what does: zfs status
[18:13:08] <WickedWicky> tell you
[18:13:13] <WickedWicky> or zfs list
[18:13:26] <StylusEater_Work> that or someone (or some process) is in a directory located on that mount
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[18:16:02] <oninoshiko> zfs list says mountpoint is - l iscsitadm list target doesnt show it as a present target
[18:18:08] <oninoshiko> is there any way to see what is blocking it?
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[18:27:03] <oninoshiko> no, its indicateing that there is no mountpoint presently assosiated with the filesystem... there never has been, as its only been used as an iscsi backing-store. but it doesnt seem to be one of those at the moment either
[18:27:44] <WickedWicky> oh okay, must be something between versions then, since mine shows 'none' for no mountpoint
[18:28:26] <WickedWicky> you could try to user fuser
[18:28:27] <oninoshiko> wait... your right, i DO have one with a mountpoint "none"
[18:29:14] <oninoshiko> but the three that are backing stores (and the one snapshot) all say -
[18:30:24] <WickedWicky> I never worked with iscsi so I am just shouting some random things :s
[18:31:46] <oninoshiko> well your guesses are atleast as good as mine (probibly better) :p
[18:31:48] <WickedWicky> did you create tank/share1 as filesystem or logical volume?
[18:32:24] <oninoshiko> a filesystem i think... then set "shareiscsi=on"
[18:32:46] <WickedWicky> maybe try to set the share parameter off?
[18:32:59] <WickedWicky> zfs set -o shareiscsi=off tank/share1
[18:33:23] <WickedWicky> maybe it doesnt like the idea that its possible referenced at
[18:34:48] <WickedWicky> your zfs pool naming looks scarefull like the namings used in the example documentation by the way
[18:35:20] <oninoshiko> no change
[18:35:34] <WickedWicky> mja, I dunno than for now, sorry :s
[18:35:41] <WickedWicky> s/than/then
[18:35:57] <oninoshiko> well thanks for trying
[18:36:03] <WickedWicky> always :)
[18:36:20] <WickedWicky> let me know how you fixed it, when you do
[18:38:19] <oninoshiko> ok, disableing iscsitgt let it work -.-
[18:38:35] <WickedWicky> \o/
[18:38:38] <oninoshiko> thats SOO not a valid solution
[18:41:48] <oxygene> maybe kill -HUP on iscsitgt teaches it to let loose on disabled targets?
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[18:49:35] <WickedWicky> I will be back later
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[19:01:03] <Pietro_S> oxygene: around?
[19:02:34] <Pietro_S> oxygene: I don't understand your configure script for boost library (pmpkg)
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[19:04:29] <oxygene> Pietro_S: let's see...
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[19:05:01] <oxygene> Pietro_S: which boost version do you have there, 1.33.1 or 1.34?
[19:05:27] <Pietro_S> boost_1_34_1
[19:06:39] <Pietro_S> I don't understand this 2 lines:
[19:06:40] <oxygene> 1_34_1?
[19:06:41] <Pietro_S> ./bjam --toolset=sun stdlib=sun-stlport stage ./bjam --toolset=gcc linker-type=sun stage
[19:06:53] <oxygene> ah, okay
[19:07:10] <oxygene> my boost package builds both a version for gcc and a version for sunpro
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[19:08:55] <Pietro_S> that's interesting how they differ after installing?
[19:09:22] <oxygene> /opt/PM/lib/libboost_regex-gcc34-mt.so vs. /opt/PM/lib/libboost_regex-sw-mt.so
[19:09:50] <sickness> eheh, cool :)
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[19:10:10] <oxygene> that's necessary as the c++ compilers aren't binary compatible - so it builds both variants, and the headers are shared
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[19:13:13] <cmihai> Hm.. benr's blog is down "-)
[19:14:07] <Pietro_S> does other package dependant on boost librrary finds them automagicly?
[19:14:26] <oxygene> depends on how they look for it :)
[19:15:23] <oxygene> some of them assume that there's no such suffix (some linux distros adapt the build process to be that way), some hardcode "gcc" (not for long anymore, now that they encode the gcc version in there, too), some projects look for the whole set of suffixes
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[19:20:23] <Pietro_S> oxygene: why do you build bjam with gcc? ./build.sh sunpro works well ;-)
[19:20:45] <oxygene> Pietro_S: because it doesn't matter :)
[19:21:26] <oxygene> and because, when I started to package boost, a sunpro variant wasn't really feasible yet, so it was gcc only
[19:22:24] <Pietro_S> I thought it ;-)
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[19:23:13] <oxygene> the boost.python integration might be somewhat lacking, too - didn't check for a long time
[19:24:14] <palowoda> The gcc compiler and tools should be removed from opensolaris.  It's a dead end development strategy as it's not going to be supported upstream.  In other words no future progression with gcc on OpenSolaris.
[19:25:56] <movement> um, all of those would be strong reasons to keep gcc in opensolaris
[19:26:09] <oxygene> what else - sunpro? opensourced sunpro? llvm?
[19:26:10] <flyingparchment> what isn't going to be supported upstream?
[19:27:43] <palowoda> flyingparchment: Ok explain why changes in the current opensolaris gcc are not integrated in say gcc 4.x series.  Why is there a seprate gcc tree for ultrasparc that nobody knows about?
[19:28:08] <flyingparchment> palowoda: why are you asking me question?  if i knew that i wouldn't be asking what isn't supported upstream
[19:28:17] <Pietro_S> when all programs will be able to compile under suncc I would be first who would vote for erase of gcc package uuntil that I sayy keep it ;-)
[19:28:52] <oxygene> palowoda: uh, that separate-tree thing happens every now and then - amd64 was in a separate tree for a long time, too
[19:29:03] <palowoda> Pietro_S: That is the objective so eliminate the problem now.
[19:29:09] <oxygene> Pietro_S: that would mean, no port of solaris to any new platform (except by sun)
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[19:29:49] <chris_d> Good morning all.
[19:29:55] <kaiwai> hi chris
[19:30:04] <chris_d> I've just completed an upgrade of a test thumper to B69.
[19:30:26] <chris_d> One of the main motivations is to relocate the ZIL. Does anybody know how to do this?
[19:31:06] <richlowe> I didn't think that code was in b69.
[19:31:44] <richlowe> oh, I guess it is.
[19:32:04] <chris_d> :)
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[19:36:26] <chris_d> kaiwai, we're trying to resolve the NFS issues with ZFS.
[19:36:53] <kaiwai> ah, I'm crying because of an email on the open discuss list
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[19:39:34] <kaiwai> *hugs WickedWicky*
[19:39:41] <kaiwai> oh how I long for the days of Amiga
[19:39:50] <chris_d> :)
[19:39:57] <chris_d> But Amiga didn't have ZFS.
[19:39:58] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: you are annoying and everyone hates you, go away.
[19:40:11] <p-a-venk`> hi, I tried installing b68 under qemu on AMD64 laptop.  But at the end of installation, I get an error message that points to some frame libjava.so+0x516fb.. any clues as to get rid of this?
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[19:40:45] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: go be emo elsewhere
[19:40:56] <WickedWicky> emo elmo
[19:41:25] <sstallion> any radius guys about?
[19:42:14] <oxygene> kaiwai: aros exists ;-)
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[19:42:56] <WickedWicky> okay, that's it
[19:43:03] <WickedWicky> I wanna know what process is eating all my CPU cycles
[19:43:03] <WickedWicky> now
[19:43:09] <kaiwai> oxygene: true, but *sniff* those amiga 1200's were so sexy
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[19:44:12] <WickedWicky> I dont think you had annoying licence discussions either in those days
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[19:49:14] <sickness> http://will.hunting.free.fr/solaris.jpg <- lol :)
[19:49:52] <cmihai> sickness: wow, next thing you know, you'll find some _movie_ named Solaris or something.
[19:50:18] <WickedWicky> wait
[19:50:21] <WickedWicky> that exists
[19:50:38] <WickedWicky> oh, sarcasm
[19:50:58] <sickness> cmihai: I already known that :P
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[19:51:22] <cmihai> Sigh.
[19:51:28] <WickedWicky> lol
[19:51:29] <WickedWicky> sorry
[19:51:36] <WickedWicky> gimme a coffee so I can keep up
[19:51:39] <cmihai> You must be from the shallow end of the gene pool :-)
[19:51:58] <WickedWicky> naw, I just lack caffeine and had a wonderfull discussion with management today
[19:52:20] <cmihai> Talk about morale boosts...
[19:52:28] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: I tended to avoid that sort of thing
[19:52:40] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: what type of one?
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[19:53:01] <kaiwai> the typical bullshit of 'ra ra ra, lets get exited about working for said company'?
[19:53:03] <WickedWicky> the "reasons why we bought this software and this hardware"
[19:53:18] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: what did you purchase?
[19:53:29] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: a fleet of Windows Vista boxes?
[19:53:30] <WickedWicky> I didt
[19:53:31] <cmihai> Are they trying to harness mission-critical e-business?
[19:53:35] <WickedWicky> no
[19:53:46] <WickedWicky> they're actually going to run the entire mail platform on Exchange
[19:53:47] <WickedWicky> :P
[19:53:48] <cmihai> synergize revolutionary initiatives?
[19:53:55] <cmihai> envisioneer next-generation applications?
[19:54:03] <cmihai> Sorry, that was my bullshit generator...
[19:54:06] <kaiwai> b2b over a p2p asap a with an encrypted soap bak up over fibre?
[19:54:07] <WickedWicky> and the reason is that certain ppl like to play golf
[19:54:14] <WickedWicky> lol
[19:54:19] <WickedWicky> what are you playing? bullshit bingo?
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[19:56:09] <kaiwai> could be worse; I'm having to train staff at my current job :-(
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[19:56:18] <kaiwai> damn I had american training ideas
[19:56:41] <kaiwai> "lets get all hyped up about working for said company!"
[19:56:42] <sickness> http://sun-services.pourtoutvousdire.com/frsun//pictures/range/range2_139692.jpg <- lol :P
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[19:57:34] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: i'm not being emo, i'm serious
[19:58:35] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: cram it please
[19:58:49] <jpipkin> yeah seriously.
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[20:00:19] <CIA-26> fw157321: 6586765 maramba/batoka makefile missing target can lead to build failures
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[20:10:59] <stevel> i'm impressed he added the "please"
[20:12:24] <axisys> how do I make a mini jumpstart so I cna boot net -s
[20:12:32] <axisys> i dont need the whole image
[20:12:40] <axisys> setup_install_server does the whole image
[20:12:58] <tomww> axisys: what platform? x86 or sparc?
[20:13:06] <axisys> sparc
[20:13:30] <axisys> i lost the root passwor.. there is no dvd in the site
[20:13:45] <axisys> so I need to boot net -s to clear root passwd
[20:14:02] <richlowe> I suspect minimal would be a normal netinstall image, but without Product/
[20:14:07] <richlowe> just the miniroot.
[20:14:36] <axisys> richlowe: yes.. how do I do that.. never done that before
[20:14:39] <tomww> you'll nee some files in /tftboot and a NFS-path to the File from cdrom:/Solaris_10/Tools/Boot  IIRC
[20:15:51] <axisys> tomww: I have the NFS already available
[20:16:09] <axisys> tftpboot already running on the remote server
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[20:19:46] <axisys> anyone can help? i want to just boot not install over the net .. boot net -s
[20:20:30] <axisys> my remote server dont have enough space to create a jumpstart folder
[20:20:42] <axisys> but i have a nfs server that has the sol 10 image
[20:21:02] <axisys> richlowe: would u happend to know a cheat sheet that I can follow?
[20:21:34] <flyingparchment> hmm, so
[20:21:35] <axisys> i needed a quick turn around.. if it were a project I would sit down and try different options.. :-(
[20:21:48] <flyingparchment> i have 3 solaris systems.  i want support-- more than basic, i want to call sun if something breaks
[20:21:54] <flyingparchment> should i get 3 contracts, or 1, or what?
[20:22:23] <axisys> flyingparchment: we have one contract for 300+ sun servers
[20:22:41] <flyingparchment> axisys: do you have the "Solaris everywhere" one?
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[20:25:15] <axisys> flyingparchment: not sure actually
[20:25:18] <SYS64738> what's the right way to watch what a root user is doing in a zone ?
[20:25:29] <HappyDays> I have a solaris LDAP directory server running and have been getting errors when resolving DNS addresses with all machines that are clients to the ldap server. Does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve these errors from #snoop | grep -i dns
[20:25:31] <HappyDays> walnut.mac.msp.airport -> zLDAP1       DNS R  Error: 3(Name Error)
[20:25:32] <HappyDays>       zLDAP1 -> walnut.mac.msp.airport DNS C _nfsv4idmapdomain. Internet TXT ?
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[20:25:34] <HappyDays> walnut.mac.msp.airport -> zLDAP1       DNS R  Error: 2(Server Fail)
[20:25:35] <HappyDays>       zLDAP1 -> chestnut.mac.msp.airport DNS C _nfsv4idmapdomain. Internet TXT ?
[20:25:37] <HappyDays> I have tried multiple DNS servers so I believe it is an LDAP issue.
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[20:30:21] <flyingparchment> hmm, sun.com is going the annoying thing where it doesn't load
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[20:32:23] <WickedWicky> flyingparchment: what we have is a Sun Spectrum contract, covering all our sun servers
[20:33:01] <WickedWicky> so it's one contract, with several chasis serial numbers under it
[20:33:06] <axisys> I think there is a hack in add_install_client that I can run against the NFS server to make that as the install server
[20:33:30] <axisys> since I do not have enough space to install the image locally
[20:33:40] <axisys> any jumpstart expert here ?
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[20:34:53] <tomww> if the image is already locally available, look at setup_install_server -b  so ohne some hundreds of MBs necessary
[20:36:05] <axisys> tomww: image is available in NFS and mounted.. but not localfs tho
[20:36:27] <axisys> tomww: so i think that will work.. right?
[20:36:27] <tomww> most easy should be, to run setup_install_server -b
[20:36:34] <axisys> tomww: ok
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[20:38:12] <axisys> tomww: running that now
[20:41:43] <axisys> tomww: so that should be all i needed to boot net -s plus the add_install_client ?
[20:42:31] <tomww> you only have do decide to use old rarp/bootparams or dhcp.
[20:43:05] <tomww> the upcoming boot-server is on the same broadcast-domain? then rarp will do as well as dhcp
[20:43:49] <tomww> if not, you need dhcp-relay listening on the client's broadcastdomain and configure the relay to simply relay to the boot-server
[20:44:32] <tomww> only trick is, to setup dhcp on the boot-server before add_install_client and to boot on the sparc-client with boot net:dhcp -s
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[20:46:32] <axisys> rarp
[20:46:37] <axisys> i will use that
[20:46:49] <axisys> they are on same subnet
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[20:47:31] <axisys> i have a question with add_install_client
[20:48:15] <axisys> how do I tell add_install_client to just add all the necessary values on this boot-server so that client can run boot net -s
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[20:49:23] <tomww> use the standard parameters for a normal install from the examples in the docs. I think you cannot leave out one of them
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[20:49:55] <tomww> make sure to use the "-s" with booting
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[20:53:27] <flyingparchment> i want to buy support for a system owned by a US organisation, paid for by a Dutch organisation, hosted in Germany, and i'm English.  who should i call?
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[20:54:43] <cmihai> flyingparchment: Superman
[20:54:46] <richlowe> I'm assuming "ghostbusters!" isn't the answer you're looking for.
[20:54:54] <flyingparchment> you two suck.  :P
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[20:55:07] <flyingparchment> i am going with sun.nl if they're going to be paying
[20:55:59] <cmihai> flyingparchment: and you're running it on American servers made in China and designed in Japan by and Indian guy...
[20:56:09] <flyingparchment> heh
[20:56:14] <flyingparchment> they are sun servers :P
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[20:57:33] <tomww> flyingparchment: to have the hardware services in Germany, it would be for the service best to have the contract done in germany I think.
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[20:59:39] <flyingparchment> we already have hardware service through a third-party organisation, i'm more interested in software
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[21:06:39] <WickedWicky> cmihai: you forgot to mention that the server is assembled in taiwan
[21:07:24] <cmihai> WickedWicky: by slave child labour? :-)
[21:07:37] <WickedWicky> I wouldnt go that far :P
[21:07:51] <cmihai> Oh, right, that's just Nike.
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[21:23:11] <axisys> tomww: the client is trying to get to my temporary wanboot server .. how do I clear network-boot-arguments in obp ?
[21:23:45] <axisys> if I do setenv network-boot-arguments it asks for value
[21:24:07] <axisys> if I do etenv network-boot-arguments ""
[21:24:21] <axisys> it says imporperly formated value for tftp-server
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[21:27:20] <tomww> axisys: you did this boot-command?    boot net:dhcp -s   ?
[21:27:21] <rthompso> can anyone give me some quick bullet points on the diffs between current opensolaris and solaris 10 11/06?
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[21:27:53] <rthompso> i've got to re-install on an Ultra 10 and trying to decide which to take -- not a production system
[21:28:18] <axisys> tomww: no.. boot net -s
[21:28:36] <axisys> tomww: i got some syntax I will try
[21:28:44] <tomww> a, yes. you said you want to use rarp/bootparams
[21:28:53] <axisys> tomww: setenv network-boot-arguments rarp, host-ip=192.168.0.10, tftp-server=192.168.0.4, tftp-retries=3
[21:29:21] <tomww> I dont' know the wan-boot stuff, so on resetting this I cannot help.
[21:30:13] <leal> in sc 3.2 i need to have one logicalhostname per resource group?
[21:30:51] <leal> i mean, can i have two or three zfs pool depending on the same logicalhostname?
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[21:33:00] <alanc> rthompso: for desktop usage, things you may really notice:  S10 11/06 has GNOME 2.6, Mozilla 1.7, StarOffice 7 - current SX has GNOME 2.18, Firefox 2.0, StarOffice 8
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[21:33:52] <rthompso> alanc - thanks - does SX have postgresql by default?
[21:34:19] <alanc> yes
[21:34:34] <alanc> 8.2 I think
[21:34:44] <rthompso> great - thanks -- I think i'll shoot for SX then and see how it goes
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[21:51:50] <axisys> tomww: I get a Timed out waiting for TFTP reply on the client and I get lots of this line on the server http://rafb.net/p/f45h8118.html
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[22:23:16] <WickedWicky> 36 degrees in my room
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[22:31:02] <jelari> is there any documentation project going on for opensolaris?
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[22:36:03] <WickedWicky> welcome back palowoda
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[23:00:58] <axisys> check this out http://rafb.net/p/RGjpw739.html
[23:01:15] <axisys> when I trying to boot net -s I got that error
[23:01:24] <WickedWicky> that's not good
[23:01:54] <WickedWicky> it crashes when it doesnt get a DHCP lease or something?
[23:02:47] <axisys> yeahh!!!
[23:02:57] <axisys> I were able to boot from boot server
[23:03:02] <axisys> tomww: thanks a lot man
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[23:04:09] <tomww> axisys: hey cool.
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[23:11:16] <axisys> tomww: thank you very much.. btw.. 6th time is the charm :P
[23:11:40] <axisys> or should I say persistence is the charm
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[23:47:17] <axisys> where else besides /etc/hosts do I need name change to rename the host on sol 10 11/06?
[23:48:44] <tomww> /etc/nodename  ?
[23:48:58] <brendang> /etc/inet/ipnodes
[23:49:31] <tomww> he hast a recent sol10, so /etc/hosts should be symlinked to /etc/inet/ipnodes and /etc/inet/hosts ...
[23:49:36] <tomww> *should* :-)
[23:49:46] <tomww> s/hast/has/
[23:49:53] <brendang> symlinked - at long last
[23:50:12] <axisys> so just /etc/inet/ipnodes and /etc/hosts ?
[23:50:20] <brendang> and /etc/nodename
[23:50:45] <axisys> ok
[23:50:48] <axisys> thnx guys
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[23:51:13] <brendang> I see Sun symlinked printmgr - so we can stop playing the "find the printmgr" game too...
[23:51:17] <tomww> axisys: look at the symlinks, if all is as it should, you only have one file /etc/inet/hosts, all others are symlinks
[23:51:49] <axisys> tomww: i noticed when i updated /etc/hosts, the /etc/inet/ipnodes did not get updated
[23:52:18] <axisys> i guess it would be easier to just symlink all to  /etc/inet/ipnodes
[23:52:38] <tomww> so.... maybe this got lost some time ago...
[23:52:39] <tomww>  grep "/etc/hosts" /var/sadm/install/contents
[23:52:40] <tomww> /etc/hosts=./inet/hosts s none SUNWcsr
[23:52:50] <tomww> is this on your system the same?
[23:53:09] <axisys> tomww: yes that part is
[23:53:24] <brendang> it's been that way forever, but what about the ipnodes file
[23:53:27] <axisys> rebooting to test
[23:53:35] <axisys> ipnodes is separate
[23:53:43] <tomww> brendang: yes, even Sun does som changes :-)
[23:54:06] <axisys> brendang: i saw u have a dtrace where ipnodes was the cause of an issue.. vaguely remember
[23:54:25] <brendang> axisys: yeah, you want to fixup ipnodes to match the hostname
[23:54:35] <tomww> so, the never releases decided that the world spins around /etc/inet/ipnodes and /etc/hosts and /etc/inet/hosts are symlinks pointing to the first one
[23:54:46] <axisys> brendang: yep.. learned that the hard way
[23:54:58] <tomww> s/never/newer/ :-)
[23:55:35] <tomww> one file less needing unnecessary syncing
[23:55:41] <brendang> ipnodes not being updated aloung with hosts is a classic issue. you don't need DTrace to solve it, but it was interesting to see how DTrace could have. (the off-cpu time entry on blogs.sun.com/brendan)
[23:57:57] <bda> Heh, like the "Why are my SSH logins taking so long?" example?
[23:58:01] <bda> Quick answer: DNS lookups.
[23:58:10] <bda> Long answer: 30 slides of "This is how to learn DTrace."





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