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[00:00:36] <CIA-26> ae112802: 6559115 niagara kernel copyin implementation prefetches kernel addresses instead of user addresses
[00:00:39] <CIA-26> km84432: PSARC 2007/308: Removal of Sun Fire Link (Wildcat) Support, 6269063 Remove support for Sun Fire Link (Wildcat)
[00:02:24] <hali> hm, i though wildcat had been EOL'd for several years
[00:06:01] <sommerfeld> hali: software support remains long after you can't buy the hardware
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[00:07:18] <Triskelios> I'd be screwed if they ever dropped hme support =P
[00:07:40] <sommerfeld> hme won't be going away any time soon.
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[00:13:48] <hali> heck we still have le support :)
[00:14:00] <richlowe> no we don't.
[00:14:15] <hali> they dropped le? :(
[00:14:25] <hali> bastards
[00:14:46] <sommerfeld> actually, there's a proposal to bring it back...
[00:14:56] <richlowe> sommerfeld: out of interest, why?
[00:15:19] <hali> people have loads of old swift cards .. fun to use when playing with old hw
[00:15:25] <hali> (is my guess)
[00:15:28] <sommerfeld> but I suspect it's died
[00:15:47] <richlowe> and bring ie back too, never let a NIC driver vanish!
[00:15:48] <richlowe> ;)
[00:15:51] <hali> and i would guess some telcos may use le cards ..
[00:15:58] <sommerfeld> there was a desire to support old ultra 2's which had ultrasparc I + le
[00:16:00] <hali> in custom hw platforms
[00:16:17] <richlowe> sommerfeld: I didn't think there was a u2 with lance, the non-E u1s did, though.
[00:16:39] <sommerfeld> ok, maybe i misremembered
[00:17:06] <richlowe> sommerfeld: oh, I know someone was wanting le back as part of their desire to bring US-I support back too.
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[00:31:43] <FireflyST> anyone here use stunnel?
[00:33:27] <bda> Sun Cluster Express. :O
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[00:45:13] <tomww> FireflyST: yes, in the past
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[00:50:16] <SYS64738> could someone give me some hints on make a mailserver in opensolaris ?
[00:50:40] <st3fan> get rid of sendmail :)
[00:51:14] <jmcp> SYS64738: you were given several suggestions yesterday - exim, postfix, .... heck, even qmail
[00:51:27] <SYS64738> what about zones ?
[00:51:54] <jmcp> what about zones?
[00:52:02] <jmcp> what are you actually asking?
[00:52:55] <SYS64738> mmmm
[00:53:23] <SYS64738> the true is that I don't really know what to do
[00:53:42] <SYS64738> sorry, what I want
[00:55:16] <SYS64738> I would like to setup some virtual mailserver in zones
[00:55:22] <SYS64738> to make load balance
[00:58:48] <sommerfeld> load balancing across what?
[00:59:12] <SYS64738> mx1,2,3 smtp1,2,3 etc
[00:59:17] <SYS64738> load balance with dns
[01:00:10] <st3fan> on the same machine?
[01:00:23] <SYS64738> yes
[01:00:25] <CIA-26> nakanon: 6465359 Exclusion dependencies could make svcadm milestone spin
[01:00:30] <st3fan> what would be the point of that?
[01:00:39] <SYS64738> don't know
[01:00:52] <st3fan> >:-)
[01:01:07] <st3fan> there must be a nice poster about this on demotivators.com
[01:03:59] <bda> SYS64738: If your MTA's queue manager really really sucks, that would make sense.
[01:04:30] <bda> But... if you do that, that means you have three instances of a qmgr and they can't talk.
[01:04:35] <bda> And they're all contending for I/O.
[01:04:44] <sommerfeld> or, more generally, if a single instance of the server is annoyingly single-threaded, and your server isn't.
[01:04:49] <st3fan> SYS64738: you run a high volume mail site?
[01:04:56] <bda> sommerfeld: Also true.
[01:05:16] <SYS64738> I need many mx for the antispam
[01:05:24] <sommerfeld> fixing the server will generally produce a better result
[01:05:27] <bda> Up your number of smtpds. :P
[01:06:01] <bda> Or do front-end filtering if the problem is so awful. Or tier the antispam services/MTAs.
[01:06:17] <st3fan> SYS64738: how will more mx records help you fight spam?
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[01:06:42] <bda> We're in a similar position here, but thankfully threading is not going to be a problem. Just how our services integrate with postfix requires one MTA instance per service. shrug.
[01:07:56] <SYS64738> I only would like to see some scenarios
[01:08:09] <SYS64738> to understand what's the best for me
[01:08:40] <SYS64738> for now I have two freebsd 6.2 with qmail-simscan-spamassassin and clamav as mx
[01:08:57] <SYS64738> another one internal smtp
[01:09:23] <SYS64738> and a debian server with lotus domino that collect and distribuite mail with courier imap
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[01:10:08] <SYS64738> now they gave me two big fujitsu siemens servers
[01:10:39] <SYS64738> In one I have solaris express 66 and I am playing with zones and zfs
[01:10:54] <bda> Stupid X2100 M1s. Another blown SATA backplane.
[01:11:23] <SYS64738> I am tryng to put a lot of virtual machine inside to understand the load capacity of the server
[01:12:20] <SYS64738> In the other server I want to install solaris 10 to understand differences between opensolaris
[01:12:36] <SYS64738> in the near future I would like to play with suncluster
[01:13:00] <SYS64738> I am interested in solaris 10 for the commercial support
[01:13:10] <BatonT> bda: that sucks
[01:13:41] <bda> BatonT: Third box. :\
[01:13:45] <BatonT> gee
[01:14:00] <BatonT> wouldnt expect a backplane to have that high a failure rate
[01:14:28] <bda> Third box in a *year*. Out of six.
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[01:14:40] <jmcp> bda: I'd be talking to my service account mgr about that
[01:14:47] <bda> All part of the same order.
[01:14:51] <bda> jmcp: Indeed.
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[01:50:56] <SYS64738> but when I create a zone it receive all pkg installed in the global  ?
[01:51:14] <jmcp> yes
[01:51:32] <jmcp> you can create a "sparse root zone" which does funky loopback mounting of the packages from the global zone
[01:51:43] <SYS64738> when is needed a big zone ?
[01:51:50] <jmcp> or you can create a "full root zone" which installs its own copies of packages
[01:51:53] <jmcp> I don't understand your question
[01:52:10] <SYS64738> when is needed a full root zone  ?
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[01:52:27] <jmcp> for "branded" zones (ie, lx)
[01:52:31] <jmcp> or if you just feel like it
[01:52:34] <axisys> a JBOD I/O module on a 3300 has four ports.. which one do I use to connect it to x4200 server?
[01:53:25] <SYS64738> jmcp, thanks
[01:53:58] <jmcp> axisys: ones labelled "host"
[01:55:36] <axisys> jmcp: this bottom one does not say host http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/Systems/3310/component.rear.html
[01:56:26] <axisys> jmcp: this is how it looks like too http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/Devices/SCSI/SCSI_3310_JBOD_IO.html
[01:56:41] <axisys> 2 A and 2 B ports
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[01:57:28] <axisys> B 0-> , B ->O , A O-> and A ->O
[01:57:38] <cub> The latest is still sol10 update 3, right ?
[01:57:55] <axisys> cub: yep
[01:58:21] <axisys> next one as I heard should be in Aug
[01:58:24] <axisys> next moth
[01:58:28] <axisys> month*
[01:58:37] <jmcp> axisys: istr that the config guide is quite good, and specific about how to connect these units
[01:59:25] <axisys> jmcp: config guide?
[01:59:31] <jmcp> that would be the one
[01:59:35] <jmcp> docs.sun.com etc etc
[01:59:58] <jmcp> or even the        Sun StorEdge 3310 SCSI Array Installation, Operation, and Service Manual
[02:01:09] <jmcp> http://docs-pdf.sun.com/816-7290-18/816-7290-18.pdf
[02:02:06] <sommerfeld> axisys: we have one of those connected to a V40z in our labs here.  it's a split bus device, with six disks on "A" and six on "B".  IIRC I have the host cables connected to the "O->" ports
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[02:03:27] <axisys> sommerfeld: so u dont need to terminate the other ports?
[02:03:43] <axisys> the A ->O and B ->O
[02:03:47] <richlowe> how the hell.
[02:03:49] <axisys> jmcp: thnx
[02:03:58] <richlowe> stevel: ping?
[02:04:05] <stevel> richlowe: pong
[02:04:27] <richlowe> stevel: can you look at the page Jim put up and translate #5 and #7 into something that makes more sense? :)
[02:04:34] <richlowe> ... except it's hidden, so who knows why I'm saying that in here.
[02:04:56] <cub> axisys: thanks
[02:04:59] <stevel> huh
[02:05:02] <stevel> that doesn't make sense
[02:05:14] <richlowe> No, see.
[02:05:23] <richlowe> "doesn't make sense" is "Let's all paint ourselves purple and dance in the streets!"
[02:05:31] <richlowe> that's "Let's cause absolute chaos and make richlowe kill people"
[02:05:33] <stevel> okay, "that's impossible"
[02:05:36] <richlowe> which is rather further down the "making sense" scale.
[02:05:45] <stevel> or at least unfeasible
[02:06:09] <stevel> if it's on a scale does that mean you would paint yourself purple and dance in the streets WHILST killing people?
[02:06:28] <stevel> i.e.: do you hit the "doesn't make sense" stage before you reach the 'killing people' stage?
[02:06:47] <stevel> cause that would be entertaining
[02:06:58] <stevel> though that would set back our schedule considerably
[02:07:19] <stevel> "project slipped due to a developer being convincted of murder"
[02:07:36] * stevel avoids making the obvious joke about reiserFS
[02:09:17] <sommerfeld> no he doesn't
[02:09:54] <stevel> well not explicitly
[02:09:57] <FireflyST> I thought Reiser wasn't even convicted
[02:10:12] <stevel> he hasn't been. just charged
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[02:10:43] <FireflyST> I mean, they didn't even find evidence of murder, just some very old blood spots in his workshop
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[02:11:09] <stevel> his car was missing and when they found it they found blood spots with Nina's blood in it, his passenger chair was missing, and he had books about how to commit murder or something
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[02:12:20] <stevel> "They also indicated that they had found in the car two books on homicide investigation purchased by Reiser on September 8 ? five days after his wife's disappearance: Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, by David Simon, and Masterpieces of Murder, by Jonathan Goodman."
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[02:13:15] <brendang> sheesh, who doesn't own those books. :)
[02:15:37] <jmcp> brendang: hi!
[02:15:55] <Tempt> Hey Brendan.
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[02:17:02] <brendang> G'Day guys
[02:17:09] <stevel> brendang: everyone should round out their libraries with 'em ;)
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[02:17:41] <brendang> stevel: it's good reading for when you are in traffic jams...
[02:18:00] <stevel> brendang: nothing like a little fine literature to aggravate the road rage
[02:20:27] <Tempt> There's a classic 70s textbook entitled "Murder Investigation". The forensic techniques in that book alone (dating from the 70s) are a reminder that the police are really on a big mission to take the fun out of killing your enemies.
[02:20:43] <Tempt> And this is before, say, DNA matching.
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[02:23:13] <sommerfeld> on the other hand, apparently the popularity of shows like "CSI" have caused trouble for prosecutors
[02:23:30] <Denali> Quick question - I'm running b68 on intel DQ965GF.  My e1000g interface seems only to run at 100mb and not 1gb.  Any suggestions?
[02:23:33] <sommerfeld> jurors are now expecting the full CSI whiz-bang treatment when the prosecution presents evidence..
[02:23:57] <sommerfeld> what's on the other end of the cable?
[02:24:01] <richlowe> You have to wonder why, say, Quincy wouldn't have had the same result.
[02:24:05] <richlowe> for a start, Quincy was a better show.
[02:24:06] <Denali> 1gb switch
[02:24:09] <axisys> jmcp, sommerfeld according the installation guide.. i am suppose to connect a scsi cable between the lower left and upper right.. is that necessary.. can I not just use the lower left port directly to a host..
[02:24:14] <Denali> which works with  my laptop at 1gb
[02:24:51] <sommerfeld> axisys: so, it's got two scsi busses (left side & right side, and don't ask me which is "A" and which is "B")
[02:24:56] <sommerfeld> they aren't internally connected.
[02:25:32] <jmcp> axisys: you'll see the drives specifically, rather than what the array controller presents to you
[02:25:35] <sommerfeld> you can either plug it into two host ports (one on the A side, one on the B side) or plug it into one host port, and connect a cable between the halves, or only hook up one side (and not be able to use half the disks)
[02:25:38] <jmcp> not generally a good use of a raid array
[02:26:13] <axisys> sommerfeld: now I follow u.. cool!
[02:26:25] <Tempt> I can't really see anyone learning enough techniques from "CSI" to avoid getting nabbed. On the other hand, it does teach you to avoid ginger-headed cops with cheesy shades like the plague.
[02:26:37] <sommerfeld> jmcp: depends on what you're going to do with it.  "feed 12 disks to zpool" is a great use of a jbod
[02:26:59] <axisys> jmcp, sommerfeld yes I am planning to create two zpools
[02:27:29] <axisys> one may be one zpool with two raidzs added together
[02:27:30] <sommerfeld> richlowe: i don't remember quincy diving into the details the way CSI does
[02:27:48] <axisys> since  recommended number of disks per raid is 3 <X< 9
[02:27:49] <jmcp> sommerfeld: very true ... but if I've just paid for an array I figure I should at least be making use of it
[02:27:58] <jmcp> especially if manglement types come around looking to audit
[02:27:59] <sommerfeld> axisys: all else being equal in general you're better off with one zpool instead of many
[02:28:29] <axisys> axisys: yep.. zpool (raidz1 + raidz1)
[02:29:14] <axisys> sommerfeld: oops that was to you.. hehe .. irssi autocomplete
[02:30:22] <axisys> jmcp: mine are jbods.. no raid controller..
[02:30:39] <sommerfeld> jmcp: even when you don't pay for it.  (just got some internal-surplus 3510's that i need to downgrade to jbods)
[02:30:57] <jmcp> ah
[02:31:09] <jmcp> I'm still trying to get myself some SAS jbods for home
[02:32:04] <axisys> sommerfeld: i have seen few articles to rather go with jbod over raid controller.. if you have new system with enough memory
[02:32:18] <axisys> sommerfeld: so I totally agree with your recommendation
[02:32:28] <sommerfeld> for zfs, it makes a lot of sense.
[02:34:43] <sommerfeld> and the separate-log-in-NVRAM thing looks very cool.
[02:34:58] <gdamore> Anyhere willing to review a fix for hme for me?
[02:35:10] <gdamore> (checksum failure on tiny packets....)
[02:35:15] <sommerfeld> gdamore: already answered internally..
[02:35:22] <gdamore> ah... tks.
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[02:39:54] <axisys> sommerfeld: is this what you are talking about when you mention seprate log http://blogs.sun.com/perrin/
[02:40:08] <axisys> sommerfeld: did not know about it..
[02:43:05] <axisys> sommerfeld: I guess it does not apply for raidz ?!
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[02:47:53] <sommerfeld> axisys: it does in fact apply for raidz
[02:48:09] <sommerfeld> (yes, neil's slog blog is talking about the same thing)
[02:49:46] <Tempt> Hmm
[02:49:50] <sommerfeld> the slog itself can't be raidz -- you'd probably use a mirrored slog with a pool made up of raidz devices
[02:49:51] <Tempt> The trans metadevice lives agasin
[02:53:41] <elw> heh/
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[03:21:07] <SYS64738> good night
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[03:45:06] <axisys> sommerfeld: so how do I use NVRAM as log device.. I am lookign for a syntax
[03:45:18] <axisys> also can I ZIL on Sol 10 u3 ?
[03:45:31] <sommerfeld> axisys: zil just landed in nevada build 68
[03:45:32] <sommerfeld> not in s10u3
[03:47:24] <axisys> sommerfeld: ok.. so how do you add nvram as zil device?
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[03:48:02] <flyingparchment> hm, zfs got metadata separation? :)
[03:48:17] <sommerfeld> flyingparchment: not metadata separation.  intent log separation
[03:48:52] <flyingparchment> do all writes go to the log first?
[03:49:30] <sommerfeld> flyingparchment: no.
[03:50:24] <sommerfeld> axisys: step 1: load driver which causes NVRAM to appear as a pseudo-disk device.  step 2: see up-to-date zpool man page for information about "log" devices.
[03:51:57] <axisys> sommerfeld: how do you do step 1.. for step 2 I will look up man page
[03:52:09] <sommerfeld> i don't know how to do step 1
[03:52:14] <axisys> sommerfeld: np
[03:52:15] <sommerfeld> you need special hardware
[03:52:23] <axisys> sommerfeld: aight
[03:52:26] <sommerfeld> (pci nvram card of some sort)
[03:55:26] <dlg> wafl
[03:57:23] <axisys> if oracle runs on zfs then is the snapshot and redo log is enough to restore db?
[03:58:16] <axisys> let me rephrase my question
[03:58:35] <axisys> snapshot + redo log is enough to restore oracle ?
[04:00:52] <axisys> here is another question.. in sol 10u4  zfs compression wont be single threaded anymore.. anything else that could be new in sol10 u4
[04:01:02] <sommerfeld> lots of things
[04:01:56] <axisys> sommerfeld: do u know of a page where it bullets them?
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[04:30:28] <rogue780_> does anyone here use opensolaris as a desktop OS?
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[04:31:55] <palowoda> What is the real question?
[04:32:20] <jmcp> rogue780_: of course
[04:32:52] <rogue780_> well as a desktop OS vice a server OS or whatnot.
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[04:34:09] <alanc> rogue780_: it's what's on almost all the desktops & laptops I use
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[04:34:37] <jmcp> rogue780_: what distinguishes a "server OS" from a "desktop OS" ?
[04:34:59] <alanc> (though if pressed I might admit to having windows on a couple machines used as glorified game consoles)
[04:35:04] <rogue780_> only exposure I've had to solaris is at work with the CDE and no real desktop usability. I've been thinking of checking it out, but am unsure if it's really meant as a desktop OS or a server OS...and can it run linux apps? I'm guessing not. Are there software repositories like apt or yum? And is there a good package management system? (Sorry for all these stupid questions, but I figured I should ask)
[04:35:47] <alanc> if you want desktop usability, you probably want to use GNOME instead of CDE
[04:36:32] <alanc> most open source "linux" apps aren't really linux-only and build on many Unix flavors, including Solaris/OpenSolaris
[04:36:56] <alanc> for software repositories, there's blastwave.org, which provides a very apt-get like pkg-get command
[04:37:14] <rogue780_> jmcp, I have a computer that is used just for my mythtv server ,file server, print server, web server and mail server. it's all it's used for...has a limited gui (fluxbox) and can't handle real desktop applications on a regular basis like openoffice, firefox, etc....it designed just for beign a server. I guess I wanted to know how good Solaris was for every-day computing i.e school, web browsing, general productivity
[04:38:23] <jmcp> rogue780_: I use opensolaris on  my laptop and workstation. my workstation runs "server" style utils such as exim, postgres and apache. I run those apps in zones
[04:38:33] <rogue780_> alanc, is there a good community site that you can recommend? I've been wanting to try Solaris for a while, but I am sure there will be a learning curve
[04:38:56] <rogue780_> jmcp, zones? are you referring to something like chroot environments?
[04:39:09] <alanc> sunhelp.org, opensolaris.org, blastwave.org, genunix.org
[04:39:25] <jmcp> rogue780_: no, Solaris Containers, aka zones
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[04:40:34] <rogue780_> well thanks for your help...I've ordered the DVD just now and I'll give it a go when it gets here. I have a feeling that any more questions that I have now will be in vein if I ask them w/o at least trying it first
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[04:45:26] <jmcp> rogue780_: just remember to keep asking in here
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[05:00:39] <hile_> howdy rod
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[05:18:29] <boyd> Afternoon, all
[05:19:50] <boyd> gdamore: Yikes... mighty problem you've found there!
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[05:27:33] <Teknomancer> morning everyone
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[05:29:54] <jimgris> Teknomancer: Hi. where is "morning" for you?
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[05:30:01] <Teknomancer> India.
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[05:30:10] <jimgris> ah, ok, cool
[05:30:17] <jimgris> Tokyo for me.
[05:30:42] <Teknomancer> hm, don't remember how much hours diff is it between india and japan
[05:30:54] <jimgris> I'll be going to India for the first time in November
[05:31:20] <jimgris> It's 12:30 here
[05:31:25] <jimgris> pm
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[05:31:58] <Teknomancer> jimgris: oh
[05:32:01] <Teknomancer> where in India?
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[05:32:53] <jimgris> Bangalore. Feb, I mean
[05:33:01] <Teknomancer> ah okies
[05:33:02] <jimgris> for OpenSolaris Day at Tech Days
[05:33:11] <Teknomancer> Aha..
[05:33:12] <jimgris> it's a Sun event
[05:33:17] <Teknomancer> nice
[05:33:33] <jbk> i need to find a job that'll send me to such things :)
[05:34:08] <jimgris> :)
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[05:40:45] <jbk> or start working on more interesting projects where someone else will pay me to go :)
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[05:42:31] * lloy0076 sigh
[05:43:46] <lloy0076> In the AspectJ tutorial, the first example is a something that models a Figure, which can have "Points", "Elements", and "Lines". Now, in Aspect Oriented Programming there are "joins", "join points" and "point cuts".
[05:43:49] <lloy0076> All very well.
[05:44:33] <lloy0076> Excepting that because the two areas have jargon that are close to each other (who'd ever think a figure would have a line or point or element, or lines could be cut), one has to do a double take in the example.
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[05:51:22] <elijahwright> a figure having lines/points/elements is art jargon.
[05:51:54] <elijahwright> having 'points' in both the programming technique and in the example is very confusing, i agree.
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[06:00:17] <CIA-26> lg150142: 6547193 assertion failed: hubd->h_intr_pipe_state == 2, file: ../../common/io/usb/usba/hubdi.c, line: 3526, 6584625 assertion failed: ph_open_cnt == 0, file: ../../common/io/usb/usba/usba.c, line: 3001, 6585563 assertion failed: hubd->h_hubpm->hubp_busy_pm > 0, file: ../../common/io/usb/usba/hubdi.c, line: 639
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[06:13:24] <lloy0076> It seems, though, that the JBoss AOP guys and girls (and the JBoss people in general) can actually write sensible documentation. Their docs about JBoss AOP make sense even to someone who only has a peripheral understanding of it.
[06:13:57] <elijahwright> heh.  that kind of writing is very hard to do, unless you find someone who is just innately good at being clear. ;-)
[06:14:23] <lloy0076> Too true.
[06:14:40] <lloy0076> And most of the time one finds that the technical gurus aren't actually good end user writers.
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[06:17:26] <elijahwright> precisely so.
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[07:44:08] <WickedWicky> \\o o// <o/ \o> <o> \o/
[07:44:20] <WickedWicky> so that was my gymnastics for the morning, hey all!
[07:45:07] <WickedWicky> and you know what's worse than waking up? Waking up with Nelly Furtado on the radio
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[07:56:45] <sickness> morning all
[07:59:02] <WickedWicky> hey sickness
[07:59:25] <WickedWicky> or: ciao
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[08:04:48] <trygvis> morning
[08:05:11] <Gekkko> morning
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[08:35:55] <trochej> MMorning
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[08:48:03] <kaiwai> :)
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[08:51:40] <kaiwai> Sun is profitable again
[08:51:50] <BatonT> yeah huge jump in price
[08:51:55] <Gekkko> how?
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[08:52:15] <Doc> i left.  seems they were paying me too much, so without me they became profitable
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[08:53:00] <kaiwai> meh, what did you do there Doc?
[08:53:01] <kaiwai> :P
[08:53:24] <Doc> to tell you the truth, i'm not quite sure
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[08:54:15] <Doc> i'm sure it was important tho...
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[08:54:53] <kaiwai> meh, when 5,000 people are let go, I fear to ask what is going to suffer at Sun
[08:55:18] <mkanat> People not South America? :-)
[08:55:40] <kaiwai> lol, well, lets be honest, doing business in the US is rediculously expensive
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[08:56:23] <timelyx> hi jmcp
[08:56:51] <timelyx> http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/134/
[08:57:40] <Doc> it's OK. IBIS will solve everything!
[08:58:12] <moazamraja> ugh.
[08:58:26] <moazamraja> that DTS 'requirements' looks disasterous
[08:58:33] <moazamraja> too many ppl asking for too many features
[08:58:44] <timelyx> moazamraja: i didn't write the requirements
[08:58:50] <moazamraja> i know
[08:58:51] <timelyx> just the a portion of the responses
[08:59:23] <kaiwai> good to se amds marketshare fall
[08:59:30] <kaiwai> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070730-nvidia-continues-to-take-graphics-market-share-from-amd-intel.html
[08:59:44] * kaiwai prays for bankruptcy by the end of next year
[08:59:57] <moazamraja> erm
[09:00:19] <timelyx> moazamraja: anyway, if people want features that they feel bugzilla doensn
[09:00:26] <mkanat> moazamraja: They seem pretty reasonable to me. Bugzilla implements all of those features listed in the document.
[09:00:27] <timelyx> s/nsn/sn't/ have, i'd like to know
[09:01:33] <mkanat> I'm one of the primary developers of Bugzilla, if anybody has any questions relating to it.
[09:01:35] <jmcp> timelyx: hi
[09:01:46] <kaiwai> hi jmcp
[09:01:48] <jmcp> hi kaiwai
[09:01:50] <jmcp> hi everybody
[09:02:01] <timelyx> i'm off to work, i'll be back in about 15mins, but mkanat's more than eager to sell it
[09:02:13] <mkanat> Hahahaha. Or at least answer any questions anybody has. :-)
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[09:03:30] <moazamraja> mkanat: great, then use bugzilla
[09:03:46] <mkanat> I also have a lot of experience with migrations and comparisons to existing bug-trackers, also.
[09:03:51] <moazamraja> but i seriously hope they don't start going down the path of building a 'DTS' from scratch from those reqs
[09:03:51] <jmcp> kaiwai: 5000 people were retrenched from Sun last FY
[09:04:10] <mkanat> moazamraja: I don't think that's the idea, I think the idea is to use something that already exists.
[09:04:50] <kaiwai> jmcp: yeap, hence, my worry, who were the 5000? programmers?
[09:04:56] <kaiwai> I bloody well hope note
[09:05:05] <jmcp> kaiwai: they were from all over the company
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[09:05:21] <kaiwai> given the short of programmers in Sun right now, its the last thing they need to do
[09:05:34] <kaiwai> get rid of marketing though - they haven't been doing squat as it is
[09:05:55] <jmcp> kaiwai: remind me how you know there's a shortage of programmers?
[09:06:00] <tsoome> most probably they were sunsolve and patch management developers:P
[09:06:01] <mkanat> kaiwai: Clearly you should just start your own business.
[09:06:13] <mkanat> kaiwai: After all, you obviously know what needs to be done, so go for it.
[09:06:42] <moazamraja> jmcp: I was thinking the same thing (how do u know if there is a shortage of coders :/ )
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[09:06:50] <moazamraja> cuz..., I didn't know that.
[09:07:14] <jmcp> moazamraja: it's kaiwai's assertion
[09:07:19] <kaiwai> mkanat: I have started my own business; having had a look how crap Sun marketing is - I swear, if I had a gun handy when looking at some of the webcasts I would have shot myself
[09:07:39] <kaiwai> jmcp: drivers, drivers, drivers and drivers
[09:07:42] <mkanat> kaiwai: Well, that's a clearly helpful statement.
[09:07:45] <kaiwai> did I mention drivers?
[09:08:12] <moazamraja> mkanat: I do have 1 question...
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[09:08:18] <mkanat> moazamraja: Go ahead.
[09:08:21] <moazamraja> jmcp: i know...i wondering how he knew such a thing :)
[09:08:32] <dlg> sun have a lack of programmers?
[09:08:34] <moazamraja> mkanat: when are you gonna finally port it from perl to something....'nicer' ? :)
[09:08:46] <mkanat> moazamraja: I evaluated that recently.
[09:08:59] <kaiwai> dlg: always have had a lack of programmers
[09:09:05] <moazamraja> kaiwai: tons of developers != drivers
[09:09:12] <dlg> why dont they give me money then
[09:09:19] <kaiwai> *shrugs*
[09:09:20] <dlg> id fill some gaps in their device support
[09:09:32] <moazamraja> personally, I don't think solaris should try to write drivers for everthing under the ..sun. :P
[09:09:44] <moazamraja> mkanat: what langs have you thought of porting to?
[09:09:53] <moazamraja> mkanat: java? ruby/jruby?
[09:09:56] <mkanat> moazamraja: The primary contender was Python. Right now we don't have plans to move to another language.
[09:10:02] <moazamraja> rats.
[09:10:07] <moazamraja> lemme dl the src.
[09:10:14] <kaiwai> dlg: I'm waiting on firmware support for webcams
[09:10:16] <moazamraja> i havent looked at bugzilla source in like...5-7 years
[09:10:22] <mkanat> moazamraja: Oh, it's hugely different now.
[09:10:25] <dlg> kaiwai: pfft, webcams
[09:10:28] <dlg> what about real hardware?
[09:10:33] <moazamraja> i remember it being horrible
[09:10:37] <moazamraja> dlg: +1
[09:10:40] <kaiwai> dlg: ok, my ultra-vibe-2000 usb attachment
[09:10:42] <mkanat> moazamraja: There are still a few files that are a bit messy, but we're definitely working on that.
[09:10:55] <mkanat> moazamraja: I've been leading the re-arch.
[09:11:27] <Tempt> Ooh, webcams
[09:11:34] <Tempt> The cornerstone of the enterprise UNIX environment.
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[09:12:02] <moazamraja> yuhp
[09:12:07] <moazamraja> my datacenter LIVES on webcams
[09:12:14] <Tempt> I mean, forget storage and networking
[09:12:22] <moazamraja> Tempt: storage, pft.
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[09:12:32] <Tempt> We need better support for a $5 USB webcam from the Yum-Cha PC company.
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[09:12:42] <Tempt> The one that barely works with the Windows drivers that come on the bent CD in the box
[09:12:47] <moazamraja> i mean c'mon, what will you use storage for if you don't have a WEBCAM to record from?!?
[09:12:57] <kaiwai> Tempt: yum-cha? no, they make special fried rice. this webcam is ricoh
[09:13:00] <Tempt> And none of this IP webcam business
[09:13:07] <moazamraja> Yum-Cha....no, they make Tasty Tea
[09:13:16] <moazamraja> Yum Cha...literally, Tasty Tea!
[09:13:17] <Tempt> That requires networks and having networks would get in the way of the purity of the webcamness
[09:13:37] <kaiwai> Tempt: calm down, take a valium
[09:13:46] <moazamraja> get me one too
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[09:13:55] <mkanat> Anyhow, I'm going to be away for a bit. But if you address any questions or PM me about anything, I'll answer when I come back.
[09:14:22] <moazamraja> mkanat: ok, the code looks A LOT better now
[09:14:27] <mkanat> moazamraja: :-D
[09:14:30] <moazamraja> cool, thx
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[09:15:21] <kaiwai> hmm, must be running Windows
[09:16:01] <moazamraja> <- os x lackey
[09:16:04] <Gekkko> no I'm not!
[09:16:05] <Gekkko> lies
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[09:16:32] <kaiwai> Gekkko: no, talking about tempt
[09:16:43] <Gekkko> lol
[09:17:06] <kaiwai> sittign there with his HP pavilion PC with speaks attached to the side of the monitor whilst listenign to britney spears "oops, I did it again"
[09:17:11] <kaiwai> *speakers
[09:17:42] <moazamraja> whoa.
[09:17:53] <moazamraja> demz fightin werdz
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[09:18:20] <moazamraja> you know, now that I think about it, 'porting' something like Bugzilla is kinda pointless
[09:18:32] <moazamraja> might as well fix what is there, add to it, etc.
[09:18:44] <moazamraja> but perl.., *sigh* damn perl.
[09:19:17] <moazamraja> oy...and straight up SQL code in perl code
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[09:20:10] <kaiwai> moazamraja: logging a bug is like talking to an american; no matter what you say its ignored
[09:20:15] <trochej> :)
[09:20:59] <kaiwai> damn this essay, tantric tradition, wish some one gave me a little trantric right about now
[09:21:26] <WickedWicky> morning kaiwai
[09:21:39] <kaiwai> good evening WickedWicky
[09:21:44] <WickedWicky> or that
[09:21:45] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:22:04] <kaiwai> well, its 7:20pm over here
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[09:22:30] <moazamraja> Kaiba: i'm going to ignore that
[09:22:35] <moazamraja> kaiwai even :P
[09:22:41] <moazamraja> <-- psuedo-american
[09:22:42] <cmihai> That's hardly true, bugs are logged, people say they're on it, you are thanked for your contribution, then it's never fixed :P
[09:22:49] <Gekkko> kaiwai: kiwi
[09:22:50] <Gekkko> lol
[09:23:25] <kaiwai> cmihai: I would prefered someone just fuck me, atleast I'd get something out of it besides a pre-written reply
[09:23:49] <cmihai> Hey, at least you get to talk to Alice :-]
[09:23:49] <moazamraja> kaiwai: testy tonight, aren't we.
[09:24:09] <kaiwai> moazamraja: sorry, just bitter, twisted and cynical - as per usual
[09:24:10] <cmihai> Besides, why don't you fix it yourself :-)
[09:24:10] <WickedWicky> moazamraja: how's that? just cause kaiwai wants to be fucked?
[09:24:15] * WickedWicky is testy every day then
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[09:24:36] <cmihai> WickedWicky: want to get fucked? Then go buy Dell.
[09:24:36] <WickedWicky> ohh.. an angry gecko
[09:24:45] <cmihai> "Angry gecko"
[09:24:46] <cmihai> Oh my.
[09:24:47] <WickedWicky> proper fucked :( not dell fucked
[09:24:50] <cmihai> Reminds me of Fallout.
[09:24:57] <cmihai> WickedWicky: Dell fucked _is_ proper fucked..
[09:25:11] <WickedWicky> w00t
[09:25:17] <cmihai> WickedWicky: Ya like dawgs?
[09:25:24] <WickedWicky> w0rd
[09:25:44] <kaiwai> hmm, Solaris Express Ad on Slashdot, like thats going to get some damn programmers/users anytime soon
[09:25:45] <WickedWicky> actually not. I am not much into rap music, more into hardhouse
[09:26:02] <Gekkko> Angry cause I got banned on another channel :P
[09:26:20] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: I'm into a variety, right now I'm listenign to "NIck Cave and the bad seeds"
[09:26:28] <cmihai> And now you're trying to get banned here too?
[09:26:33] <WickedWicky> Nick cave rox!
[09:26:42] <WickedWicky> I saw him live on Lowlands festival a couple of years ago
[09:26:47] <cmihai> Oh crap, now I can never listen to Nick Cave ever again.
[09:26:50] <kaiwai> can't stand hardhouse - damn gay night clubs with self obsessed twinks jumping around high on e
[09:27:01] <moazamraja> :/
[09:27:05] <cmihai> kaiwai: and you're the emo type sitting in the corner?
[09:27:06] <WickedWicky> hey now
[09:27:07] * moazamraja checks what channel he's in
[09:27:13] <Cyrille> I must be showing my age, I don't even know what hardhouse is...
[09:27:19] <oxygene> heh :)
[09:27:20] <moazamraja> Cyrille: same here
[09:27:23] <cmihai> Cyrille: some kind of gay music
[09:27:26] <kaiwai> cmihai: Solaris - Emo Edition
[09:27:27] <WickedWicky> no it aint
[09:27:30] <moazamraja> i mean, as opposed to what, softhouse?
[09:27:39] <moazamraja> mushyhouse?
[09:27:39] <cmihai> softporn?
[09:27:42] <kaiwai> how about a blow-up house?
[09:27:45] <WickedWicky> dance
[09:27:55] <WickedWicky> oh crap
[09:28:01] <WickedWicky> I think I missed my bus stop
[09:28:02] <WickedWicky> lol
[09:28:07] <kaiwai> stuff that goes oom cha oom cha ding ding ding oom cha  oom cha
[09:28:16] <Gekkko> cmihai: what makes you think that?
[09:28:19] <WickedWicky> kaiwai: that's samba
[09:28:20] <WickedWicky> :P
[09:28:20] <Gekkko> plus I was banned while I was offline
[09:28:23] <Gekkko> so I had no idea why >_>
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[09:28:37] <Gekkko> what ever happened to common courtesy
[09:28:46] <bda> untz untz untz untz
[09:28:48] <WickedWicky> it died together with sarcasm
[09:28:53] <WickedWicky> bda: that's more like it
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[09:29:47] <WickedWicky> "You have successfully built mplayer"
[09:29:50] * WickedWicky is victorious
[09:30:17] <kaiwai> *shrugs* mplayer is good for porn, but crappy for most other things though
[09:30:28] <moazamraja> ./mplayer (SIGSEGV core dumped)
[09:30:29] <WickedWicky> well
[09:30:34] <WickedWicky> good for me then
[09:30:49] <WickedWicky> since the reason I compiled it is my porn collection
[09:31:17] <kaiwai> ah, true, true
[09:31:43] <WickedWicky> moazamraja: I'd like ot see Jenna Jameson segfault
[09:31:44] <kaiwai> its good most of my stuff is in real media format
[09:32:18] <kaiwai> rmvb format to be exact
[09:32:23] <WickedWicky> I use Rhythmbox for mp3s, mplayer for dvd and avi
[09:32:29] <bda> http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/1991871.htm # Aussies.
[09:32:32] <bda> http://inventorspot.com/articles/usb_keyboard_bra_angel_kitty_5949 # Japanese.
[09:32:33] <moazamraja> WickedWicky: she never segfaults, she just keeps running, as great uptime.
[09:32:36] <kaiwai> it would be nice for one day for Real to release an encoder for *NIX
[09:32:41] <moazamraja> as = has
[09:33:13] <bda> Oh, the damn chair is Japanese, too.
[09:33:14] <bda> Jeez.
[09:33:21] <bda> That's the kind of hilarious thing I expect from Oz.
[09:33:38] * WickedWicky is searching for his pougees cds
[09:34:13] <WickedWicky> Kevin Bloody wilson on my ipod atm
[09:34:16] <WickedWicky> that guy just rules
[09:34:24] <WickedWicky> and if all aussies are like that then you're all wacked
[09:34:36] <HarryR> ooh, haven't heard the pougees for ages
[09:35:01] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: the pubic hair song is funny
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[09:35:50] <moazamraja> mkanat: I didn't realize you were local (bay area). Feel free to hit me up for a pint (or a discount on Apple/Sun hardware [i have friends at both places])
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[09:36:59] <Gekkko> I like Dell.
[09:37:00] <kaiwai> once I finished uni I might become a local too
[09:37:09] * Gekkko waits for flaming :D
[09:37:27] <kaiwai> Gekkko: nothing wrong with them as long as you don't expect great support
[09:38:01] <WickedWicky> "Hello, my powervault gives disk alarms"
[09:38:05] <moazamraja> kaiwai: moving from AUS to CA?
[09:38:06] <WickedWicky> "what's a powervault?"
[09:38:09] <Gekkko> kaiwai: what kind of support :P
[09:38:11] <moazamraja> ca = california
[09:38:12] <Gekkko> moral support?
[09:38:13] <Gekkko> :P
[09:38:16] <kaiwai> yeap
[09:38:21] <timeless> kaiwai: where do you feel you( or your bugs a)'re being ignored?
[09:38:51] <kaiwai> timeless: nautilus crashing for instance when one device has two volumes - an example would be an mp3 with a flash expansion slot
[09:39:12] <timeless> oh, i've hit that :)
[09:39:15] <kaiwai> the networking configuration tool that never actually worked to begin with that
[09:39:22] <kaiwai> "connect' that never actully connects
[09:39:32] <WickedWicky> the networking configuration tool is funny
[09:39:36] <timeless> (n800 has 2 mmcs)
[09:39:41] <WickedWicky> especialy when you use nawm
[09:40:02] <WickedWicky> or whatever the name is of that automatic network configuration blaat
[09:40:04] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: when it does work there is a major delay betwen detection and allocation of IP address
[09:40:10] <WickedWicky> well
[09:40:19] <WickedWicky> I can tell the network configuration tool I want a static IP address
[09:40:21] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: its a nice idea, especially when i'm at uni with their wireless network
[09:40:24] <WickedWicky> and it bluntly does DHCP
[09:40:58] <WickedWicky> it would be nice if the network tool became nawm aware and disables the service when you specify you wanna use a static address
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[09:42:01] <kaiwai> WickedWicky: anyway, if I went to the US, hopefully I'd get a job somewhere interesting otherwise I can always fall back to teaching
[09:42:34] <WickedWicky> I wanna move to Croatia
[09:42:41] <WickedWicky> or canada
[09:42:43] <WickedWicky> one of the two
[09:43:57] <kaiwai> Canada would be nice to move to
[09:44:06] <kaiwai> close enough to the US without needing to live there
[09:44:15] <WickedWicky> haha
[09:46:58] <WickedWicky> I've been to Toronto three times last year
[09:47:02] <WickedWicky> that city kicks ass
[09:47:10] <kaiwai> plus I wouldn't have to put up with the 'cheery' personality from Americans - bouncing around
[09:47:18] <kaiwai> over hyped
[09:47:22] <Gekkko> kaiwai: lol cheery
[09:47:28] <Gekkko> "I LOVE AMERICA, FUCK YOU CANADA"
[09:47:32] <Gekkko> dancing naked in NYC
[09:47:39] <Gekkko> getting mugged by some gangsters
[09:47:43] <moazamraja> i dunno what 'america' you guys visited
[09:47:54] <kaiwai> Gekkko: no need to worry about arrest; you have insufficient evidence on yourself
[09:47:55] <moazamraja> oh...the mugging, maybe. but not really in NYC
[09:48:03] <Gekkko> kaiwai: lol
[09:48:09] <Gekkko> Detroit
[09:48:10] <Gekkko> wtfever.
[09:48:17] <Gekkko> I wouldnt be caught dead in the US anyway.
[09:48:23] <moazamraja> but, u might.
[09:48:26] <moazamraja> be caught dead, that is.
[09:48:27] <Gekkko> once I'm dead I can't be caught >_>
[09:48:29] <moazamraja> har har.
[09:48:30] <moazamraja> see.
[09:50:25] <moazamraja> hmm, didnt know bugzilla had a webservice layer to it
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[09:50:52] <kaiwai> welcome back jmcp
[09:51:03] <jmcp> hi
[09:51:05] <kaiwai> *gives jmcp a bottle of Tripel*
[09:51:08] <jmcp> tah
[09:51:11] <jmcp> might just need that
[09:51:17] * jmcp stomps off to thwap somebody
[09:51:18] <kaiwai> nice 8% brew from Monteiths
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[09:52:42] <kaiwai> better than that wiesels piss called budweiser
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[09:54:56] <jmcp> kaiwai: istr reading that every few years Anheuser-Busch tries to sue the town of Budweiser for breach of copyright or something stupid
[09:55:21] <WickedWicky> there is american budweiser and czech budweiser
[09:55:22] <kaiwai> jmcp: the beer in New Zealand caleld Budvar from czech republic
[09:55:28] <WickedWicky> yea
[09:55:32] <kaiwai> which was called budweiser
[09:55:44] <kaiwai> its good that its Budvar as to avoid confusion with american shit
[09:56:00] <jmcp> well, even Blind Freddie could figure that out
[09:56:27] <kaiwai> pissy beer, poorly engineered cars and an arrogant leader - what a combo
[09:56:35] <bda> Go fuck yourself. :)
[09:56:55] <Gekkko> FIGHT
[09:56:56] <kaiwai> dba: I already have, got a 9inch purple dildo
[09:57:02] <cmihai> Yeah, go fornicate yourself with an iron stick!
[09:57:10] <bda> Hope it was ribbed for your pleasure at least.
[09:57:13] <WickedWicky> LOL
[09:57:21] <kaiwai> bda: of course ;)
[09:57:41] <WickedWicky> oh my god
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[09:57:48] <moazamraja> this channel seems to degenerate at an astonishing pace right past PST midnight
[09:58:06] <bda> moazamraja: You should see #solaris pretty much any time at all.
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[09:59:44] <kaiwai> moazamraja: well, its funy though :)
[09:59:59] <kaiwai> moazamraja: mind you, if I had a bf I'd be spending less time here
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[10:00:26] <bda> We're all rooting for your love life?
[10:00:29] <bda> :-D
[10:00:36] <kaiwai> he he he
[10:00:53] <moazamraja> kaiwai: i hear the guys over at #windows and #apple are a lot 'cuter'.
[10:00:54] <jmcp> bda: I hope you're aware of the meaning of that term in the Antipodes
[10:01:04] <bda> "rooting"?
[10:01:07] <jmcp> yeah
[10:01:11] <Cyrille> "love"?
[10:01:16] <bda> "all"?
[10:01:18] <jmcp> Cyrille: only if you're paying for it
[10:01:27] <kaiwai> moazamraja: apple seems like gay central
[10:01:42] <kaiwai> root = shag
[10:01:53] <e^ipi> macs /are/ pretty gay...
[10:01:56] <bda> Yes, yes, you have hilarious slang across the water.
[10:02:31] <WickedWicky> we have great humour here as well
[10:03:03] <WickedWicky> and I live UNDER the water
[10:03:10] <WickedWicky> so imagine how hilarious we are
[10:03:17] <bda> Nawlins?
[10:03:17] <e^ipi> in a pineapple?
[10:03:27] <WickedWicky> bda: nope
[10:03:39] <WickedWicky> e^ipi: no climate for pineapples here :(
[10:04:00] <WickedWicky> more like an appletree
[10:04:09] <bda> Now I am having weird James and the Giant Peach assocations.
[10:04:15] <bda> Twitchy book to start with.
[10:04:35] <e^ipi> bda: i was thinking spongebob
[10:04:38] <WickedWicky> or on the top of a windmill
[10:04:38] <WickedWicky> with my woodenshoes
[10:04:38] <WickedWicky> and a tulip in my hand (this is essential)
[10:04:51] <WickedWicky> well, my name is patrick, so that'd fit
[10:05:20] <bda> I've only seen Spongebob once, during a long flight. The kid next to me appropriated both our TVs to watch it in tandem.
[10:05:29] <bda> Thankfully we all had headphones.
[10:05:37] <bda> Now, Kim Possible, I could have gotten behind. Nyuck nyuck.
[10:05:44] <Gekkko> >_>
[10:05:47] <Gekkko> odd one.
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[10:06:49] <kaiwai> hmm
[10:07:04] <kaiwai> can't stand these cartoons these days - what happened to road runner?
[10:07:13] <Cyrille> he finally got eaten.
[10:07:16] <WickedWicky> finally got caught by coyote
[10:07:19] <e^ipi> as it turns out it was racist
[10:07:24] <bda> And they lived happily ever after, Nancy.
[10:08:03] <Cyrille> are you sure you're not thinking of another cartoon e^ipi?
[10:08:20] <e^ipi> naw, most of the WB cartoons were pretty racist
[10:08:28] <e^ipi> black people in blackface makeup and the likes
[10:08:38] <bda> Or the WWII propaganda stuff.
[10:09:06] <e^ipi> you mean 'Nazi Supermen are Our Superiors', the Disney film
[10:09:20] <bda> No, the later stuff, with the chimped out Japanese.
[10:09:32] <bda> Bugs, etc.
[10:09:49] <bda> Trying to remember specifics, but I haven't seen them since I was a kid.
[10:10:37] <bda> Kim Possible really is a pretty good show. If I had a daughter, I'd be happy to let her watch it. Lots of positive influences.
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[10:10:42] <bda> And it has a nake molerat.
[10:10:45] <bda> Hard to argue with that.
[10:10:45] <e^ipi> they weren't even funny anyways... most of the jokes were "anthropomorphic cartoon animal gets hit on the head with blunt object... the end"
[10:11:02] <Cyrille> can't see what's not funny in that.
[10:11:03] <bda> When you're four that is pretty much the level of humor your are capable of.
[10:11:04] <Cyrille> ;-)
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[10:11:08] <e^ipi> and it spawned furries
[10:11:08] <bda> :P
[10:11:11] <bda> gar.
[10:11:12] <e^ipi> and they're just weird
[10:11:21] <bda> Always comes back around to them, doesn't it.
[10:11:35] <bda> Like some sort of awful fuzzy loadstone.
[10:12:05] <WickedWicky> Inspector gadget for president!
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[10:12:31] <bda> Seen the Robot Chicken Inspector Gadget bits?
[10:12:34] <bda> Pretty funny.
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[10:12:45] <WickedWicky> nope, I didnt :s
[10:12:46] <e^ipi> mind you, i grew up in the middle of "Identity Politics"
[10:13:04] <bda> ?
[10:13:08] <e^ipi> so i got crap like "Captain Planet", with a goddamned benneton ad of kids out saving the environment
[10:13:17] <bda> Man, Captain Planet. That sucked.
[10:13:27] <WickedWicky> World! Hear what Cpt Planet says!
[10:13:28] <bda> Stupid kid with the monkey. "I'm heart!"
[10:13:38] <e^ipi> black, hispanic, asian, crippled, and white... had to make sure to cover all bases
[10:13:41] <kaiwai> "Identity Politics"?
[10:13:49] <WickedWicky> they even had a russian
[10:13:50] <e^ipi> kaiwai: yes, that's what i said
[10:13:56] <e^ipi> oh yeah, the soviet chick
[10:13:59] <e^ipi> forgot about her
[10:14:00] <WickedWicky> linka
[10:14:11] <kaiwai> e^ipi: what do you mean by that?
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[10:14:35] <bda> How's Identity Politics different than Political Correctness?
[10:14:50] <e^ipi> kaiwai: in the late 80's and early 90's when everything had to have some message about how it doesn't matter if you're black or gay or crippled or whatever, everyone should get along
[10:14:52] <cmihai> I don't know, I kind of liked Duke Nukem from Captain Planet :-)
[10:15:21] <WickedWicky> see you all in a bit, going for a walk to the office
[10:15:22] <trochej> :)
[10:15:26] <e^ipi> bda: different terms *shrug* PC is a type of language used to avoid offending people, identity politics is the whole movement that pushes that among other things
[10:15:27] <kaiwai> e^ipi: ah, still going on these days as well unfortunately
[10:15:34] <bda> e^ipi: aha
[10:15:35] <e^ipi> kaiwai: not as badly
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[10:15:42] <bda> Hah!
[10:15:43] <trochej> PC is a crap, unfortunately
[10:16:12] <e^ipi> meh, if a term offends someone i won't use it
[10:16:35] <kaiwai> trochej: tell me about it; the whinging, whinging and belly aching that occurs by the PC brigade who thinks that every minority is being surpressed by the 'heterosexual white male'
[10:16:39] <flyingparchment> i am offended by gender-specific pronouns, please don't use them
[10:16:40] <e^ipi> but i generally call african-americans "black" unless they ask me not to, or first-nations people "native"
[10:17:12] <Tempt> Oh, the horror.
[10:17:22] <cmihai> Man, unless you've been to Africa or was born in Africa or anything, you're not African, mkey?
[10:17:37] <cmihai> Shit, from what we gather, the whole man kind was "born" in Africa...
[10:17:43] <cmihai> And I don't call myself African-european
[10:17:57] <timeless> why not?
[10:18:04] <cmihai> ._.
[10:18:07] <trochej> PC is the stright way to call Nelson Mandela the first African-American President by some stipud chick on CNN
[10:18:08] <oxygene> timeless: because "african" becomes redundant then
[10:18:28] <oxygene> trochej: ouch
[10:18:33] <trochej> oxygene: It happened
[10:18:35] <timeless> stright?
[10:18:40] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: "black" is the normal word for blacks here.  anyone trying to suggest anything else would be laughed at
[10:18:50] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: policeman, manhole, chairman - pissing you off yet?
[10:18:54] <trochej> timeless: Simple... whatever. I lack some vocabulary
[10:19:07] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: i was thinking more fundamental things: "he", "she"...
[10:19:08] <e^ipi> heh.... man-hole
[10:19:12] <trochej> :)
[10:19:16] <e^ipi> that'd be a good name for a gay bar
[10:19:28] <jmcp> e^ipi: in Sydney there's a place called The Toolshed
[10:19:28] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: she'll be right!
[10:19:39] <timeless> policeofficer, seweracces cover, chairperson
[10:19:40] <bda> There's a store in the Castro (San Francisco) called "Does Your Mother Know?"
[10:20:03] <Tempt> I thought "The Toolshed" was just a sex shop in Kings Cross.
[10:20:08] <kaiwai> bda: all motheres know that their son is a mincing, limp wrist fairy - geeeze, my mum knew before I did
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[10:20:25] <bda> kaiwai: Yeah, but did she know you were gay?
[10:20:30] <Tempt> Good call.
[10:20:32] <kaiwai> yeap
[10:20:48] <kaiwai> bda: hence coming out to her was rather uneventful
[10:20:49] <Tempt> You know, there are some men who like to sleep with other men who aren't mincing, limp wristed fairies?
[10:20:57] <bda> bah, that was worth a laugh at least.
[10:21:00] <kaiwai> Tempt: its a play on stereotypes
[10:21:05] <HarryR> there's this underpants shop in soho called "dirty little white boy"
[10:21:17] <flyingparchment> Tempt: those people aren't gay, they just like sleeping with other men
[10:21:20] <oxygene> trochej: "if english was good enough for jesus, it's gonna be good enough for our school kids" (texan politician when asked about teaching foreign languages in school)
[10:21:21] <kaiwai> Tempt: don't take it seriously, or I'll put you in the PC corner with the hairy back feminists who have never seen a razer
[10:21:31] <flyingparchment> Tempt: like the greeks
[10:21:35] <trochej> oxygene: yessss ...
[10:21:43] <bda> haha. My buddy who lives in the Castro got my roommate a shirt with a stick figure with three legs that says: "Weapon of Anal Destruction".
[10:21:46] <bda> The Castro is pretty hilarious. :P
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[10:22:12] <Tempt> I'd swear I've seen a porno flick called "Weapons of Ass Destruction".
[10:22:15] <Tempt> Err, yeah.
[10:22:25] <e^ipi> there's dozens of them
[10:22:29] <BatonT> eer am i still in #opensolaris?
[10:22:40] <e^ipi> BatonT: yes.
[10:22:41] <kaiwai> *hands BatonT a dildo* have fun
[10:22:41] <Tempt> It's getting more open by the minute.
[10:22:42] <bda> BatonT: Welcome to phase space!
[10:22:45] <e^ipi> happy gay pride week
[10:22:45] <bda> Tempt: haha
[10:22:57] <BatonT> heh
[10:22:58] <trochej> :)
[10:23:01] <e^ipi> which it actually is in vancouver, but that's besides the point
[10:23:18] <trochej> I am waaaay open to new... cought... code... :)
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[10:24:15] <bda> After going to the Fulton St. Fair, basically nothing phases me anymore.
[10:24:16] <Cyrille> I'm not. If C was good enough for jesus to code with, I don't see why I should use ruby or something ;-)
[10:24:33] <bda> Not that I was particularly wiggy to begin with. :P
[10:24:54] <trochej> Cyrille: :)
[10:24:58] <oxygene> Cyrille: C? lisp!
[10:25:03] <kaiwai> bda: true, true; then again, I find mainstream rather boring
[10:25:06] <Cyrille> heretic!
[10:25:14] <bda> kaiwai: It was pretty not mainstream.
[10:25:15] <kaiwai> lisp - the official programming language for gay men all over
[10:25:16] <e^ipi> lisp? a luxury!
[10:25:20] * oxygene 0-pointers Cyrille
[10:25:23] <oxygene> Cyrille: still want C? ;)
[10:25:40] <kaiwai> I prefer AMOS
[10:25:44] <kaiwai> but thats just me
[10:25:50] <Gekkko> LOL
[10:25:51] <Gekkko> AMOS
[10:25:53] <kaiwai> REXX was fun
[10:25:54] <Gekkko> you are teh ELITE
[10:26:01] <bda> kaiwai: Yeah, well. Bunch of naked leather dudes packed into six blocks.
[10:26:03] <trochej> REXX
[10:26:05] <trochej> That was coolo
[10:26:13] <kaiwai> bda: where is the down side?
[10:26:23] <bda> I mean. How can you go anywhere and hear "Oh my gawwwwd nobody step on the on the ground masssturbating!" and call it "mainstream"?
[10:26:24] <kaiwai> ;)
[10:26:36] <bda> Except San Francisco, obviously.
[10:26:38] <trochej> Khehehee
[10:26:53] <e^ipi> vancouver
[10:26:55] <e^ipi> *nod*
[10:26:59] <bda> Yea?
[10:27:02] <bda> Never been.
[10:27:05] <oxygene> hmm.. what shall I do today? java assignment or grub2 coding for gsoc *sigh*
[10:27:12] <e^ipi> it's another very gay city
[10:27:13] <bda> grub2.
[10:27:45] <kaiwai> oxygene: what are you adding to grub for your summer of code?
[10:27:46] <e^ipi> screw school, it doesn't pay money
[10:27:51] <e^ipi> do the grub thing
[10:27:55] <oxygene> kaiwai: actually it's linuxbios, but as I adapt grub2 to it, I learn a great deal about grub2, too
[10:28:22] <kaiwai> oxygene: whats the story of GRUB given that 2.0 has been in flux since god was a teenager
[10:28:41] <oxygene> kaiwai: grub2 is nearing completion and seems to be rather usable
[10:29:01] <oxygene> I'm thinking about writing an iso9660 ramdisk generator for grub2 later-on - would make boot_archive superfluous (when using grub2 for booting opensolaris)
[10:29:18] * bda is sure is happy zfs recv is faster than zfs send.
[10:29:31] <oxygene> simply let the boot loader generate it on the fly :)
[10:30:29] <kaiwai> oxygene: cool, hopefully it'll be made use of in Solaris :)
[10:30:31] <bda> O_o
[10:30:32] <oxygene> except for booting from cd and things like that, but as it's backward compatible, there's no problem with that
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[10:31:10] <trochej> what does superfluous mean?
[10:31:17] <Cyrille> extraneous
[10:31:20] <bda> Unneeded.
[10:31:34] <bda> Like when they outsource your position. ;P
[10:31:37] <trochej> okay
[10:31:38] <oxygene> heh
[10:31:43] <Cyrille> that's redundant ;-)
[10:31:50] <trochej> bda: I am anoutsourcing company :)
[10:32:15] <oxygene> trochej: stealing all the indian jobs, eh? ;)
[10:32:26] <Cyrille> that's what you think, there will always be someone willing to underbid you
[10:32:29] <trochej> oxygene: And I feel reaaalyy goood about it. :)
[10:33:11] <oxygene> Cyrille: that's what I've read about india's outsourcing effort: there were some people quite pissed off because of the unfair eastern europeans underbidding them
[10:33:58] <oxygene> hmm.. I think I'll do the java thing - and when netbeans becomes too sluggish, I'll move on with grub2
[10:34:43] <e^ipi> oxygene: meh, that's just capitalism
[10:35:01] <oxygene> yes, poor indians.. ;)
[10:35:43] <trochej> :)
[10:36:14] <e^ipi> poor whiny americans. the people who they couldn't compete with can't compete with people even cheaper than them
[10:37:28] <e^ipi> they should do what the auto industry workers did.
[10:37:36] <oxygene> hmm.. looking at the opensolaris repo, it seems that there's no merge (alternatively my tool is broken) - is it really only linear history that's exported into mercurial for now?
[10:38:03] <e^ipi> unionize, then get the union to lobby government to fund their replaceable monkey-work
[10:38:51] <kaiwai> e^ipi: either that or reduce costs; stop expecting to pay for everything relatign to the employee like super contributions and healthcare
[10:43:04] <trochej> Just stop expecting to pay
[10:44:03] <trochej> Better yet
[10:44:05] <e^ipi> meh, if your job is that replacable you shouldn't expect to be paid such high wages
[10:44:06] <trochej> Just stop expecting
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[10:45:11] <e^ipi> i don't expect $80,000 yearly for my job
[10:45:16] <e^ipi> i press a button and espresso comes out
[10:45:23] <trochej> :)
[10:45:28] <e^ipi> that's why i make a dollar over minimum wage
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[10:45:48] <trochej> e^ipi: How much you make?
[10:46:21] <e^ipi> $9/hour canadian
[10:46:45] <e^ipi> plus benefits & stock options
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[10:48:23] <timeless> is your stock worth anything?
[10:48:28] <flyingparchment> the postal service is on strike here, because they're trying to (gasp) use more machinery to delier post
[10:48:31] <flyingparchment> completely ridiculous
[10:48:50] <e^ipi> timeless: not really...
[10:49:13] <e^ipi> SBUX is down this year
[10:49:15] <HarryR> flyingparchment, because people want their manual labour jobs
[10:49:20] <soulie> Someone asked me for documentation about sasl2 , but i have no clue what it is anyone know project homepage?
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[10:51:53] <bnitz> Is Solaris UFS binary compatible with Mac UFS?  (e.g. can I mount the same UFS formatted USB drive on both and see the same files?)
[10:53:09] <oxygene> bnitz: most likely not
[10:53:57] <trochej> soulie: i'd guess: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/
[10:54:22] <soulie> ty
[10:54:44] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: where abouts is this (post)?
[10:55:03] <flyingparchment> kaiwai: UK
[10:55:29] <kaiwai> flyingparchment: ah; interesting, nz hasn't had a strike i almost 2 decades
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[10:55:52] <kaiwai> there have been a couple recently but they tend to go back pretty quickly
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[10:56:06] <trochej> And in Poland we are contsantly on some strike. I think they lost their strength, since they are so every day :)
[10:56:21] <bda>  received 79.4Gb stream in 2358 seconds (34.5Mb/sec)
[10:56:22] * bda sighs
[10:56:51] <kaiwai> trochej: meh, then again, when you've got two podgy nuts running the country - what can one expect?
[10:57:19] <trochej> kaiwai: Nothing. But nothing twice. :)
[10:57:28] <oxygene> heh
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[11:01:15] <timsf> hi all
[11:01:39] <quasi> hey
[11:02:16] <trochej> timsf: "lo
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[12:12:42] <timeless> .,
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[12:15:14] <Gekkko> the CDDL is a very short licence
[12:15:15] <Gekkko> >_>
[12:15:18] <Gekkko> not as long as GPL
[12:15:37] <PerterB> that's because it's much less restrictive
[12:16:01] <Cyrille> wow, is it already license-discussion-time?
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[12:16:03] <quasi> and cddl ~= mpl
[12:16:30] * purserj checks his watch, man LicenceBitch O'clock really creeps up on you doesn't it
[12:16:35] <timeless> hrm
[12:16:37] <Gekkko> it seems to me that it is: do not steal the source code as your own, and make sure you do not change any attributions, just add yours, and you must add yours
[12:16:40] <PerterB> sorry, I didn't mean to encourage discussion :)
[12:16:43] <quasi> Cyrille: they did indiana yesterday, obviously you have to pick up from that with gpl discussions
[12:16:46] <timeless> what's the best way to root a solaris box given local file system control?
[12:16:51] <timeless> i can't remember my password
[12:17:07] <quasi> timeless: hack /etc/shadow
[12:17:36] <Cyrille> quasi, yesterday we had both indiana-fest AND license-fight-club.
[12:17:36] <Gekkko> oh
[12:17:47] <oxygene> Gekkko: and "you have to make the cddl sources available (but not the others that might end up in your code)"
[12:17:53] <Gekkko> and that the binary can be distributed under any licence
[12:18:02] <quasi> Cyrille: I tuned out when indiana came up
[12:18:07] <Gekkko> oxygene: what do you mean?
[12:18:15] <Gekkko> as in your own intellectual works?
[12:18:22] <Gekkko> or what
[12:18:22] <Gekkko> >_>
[12:18:25] <Cyrille> let's not exaggerate.
[12:18:32] <Cyrille> just your own works.
[12:18:36] <quasi> ;)
[12:18:53] <Gekkko> I'm not exactly sure what oxygene is getting at
[12:18:54] <oxygene> Gekkko: if you take cddl code in your project, you have to give it out again (per file)
[12:18:59] * timeless wonders what the default password is
[12:19:10] <Gekkko> see, the use of take.
[12:19:10] <oxygene> Gekkko: that's the only restriction for the binary license (it has to provide for that)
[12:19:13] <Cyrille> it's 12345
[12:19:19] <Gekkko> what do you mean by "take cddl code in your project"
[12:19:34] <richlowe> timeless: boot it from media, and reset it.
[12:19:49] <timeless> /usr/sbin/pmconfig: cannot open "/dev/pm": No such file or directory
[12:19:57] <richlowe> or develop OBP wizardry, and poke your effective uid in memory ;)
[12:19:58] <timeless> richlowe: this is a zone :)
[12:20:33] <timeless> Jul 31 04:13:50 svc.startd[16581]: failed to abandon contract 4548: Permission denied
[12:20:35] <oxygene> Gekkko: you have a source tree. there are lots of files in it, and some are CDDL licensed (and probably modified by you), and others are probably licensed differently. the provisions of the CDDL require you to give out the CDDL licensed files in that tree if someone who got the binaries wants them
[12:20:36] <timeless> strang
[12:21:11] <Gekkko> http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7066/iomegaxf2.jpg Sorry, a tad (completely) unrelated, but you must see this
[12:21:16] <Gekkko> it's hilarious, if you like satire
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[12:21:41] <Gekkko> oh right oxygene, CDDL is licence-by-file and GPL is licence-by-project right?
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[12:23:29] <oxygene> Gekkko: yes
[12:23:41] <Gekkko> and this is why GPL can't work with CDDL?
[12:23:45] <Gekkko> or refuses
[12:24:26] <purserj> I had thought that GPL3 was going to be compatible with CDDL
[12:24:33] <oxygene> Gekkko: the GPL doesn't allow the other license to require anything above what the GPL requires
[12:24:38] <oxygene> purserj: nope
[12:25:07] <purserj> oxygene: but ASIUI the GPL has an extra clauses bit in it now
[12:25:09] <Gekkko> how pompous
[12:25:11] <oxygene> Gekkko: the CDDL has the same provision, but for the same file (which isn't an issue, usually) - the GPL wants the entire project to have "at most" the GPL restrictions
[12:25:26] <Gekkko> GPL has different purpose though
[12:25:38] <Gekkko> a different purpose*
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[12:26:11] <oxygene> purserj: the GPLv3 is a rewrite.. but the choice of venue bit is probably still incompatible to the "at most GPL" requirement
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[12:28:30] <Gekkko> do you think being GPL-compatible would be advantageous oxygene?
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[12:29:16] <oxygene> no advantage, no disadvantage
[12:29:22] <Gekkko> http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/at-a-glance-2-gpl-cddl-and-bsd-vs-eula/ <-- very simple page
[12:29:26] <Gekkko> to understand.
[12:29:32] <Gekkko> oxygene: what do you mean?
[12:30:00] <Cyrille> I think he means there are neither specific advantages nor specific disadvantages. But I could be wrong.
[12:30:17] <Gekkko> Yes, I understood that
[12:30:24] <oxygene> I mean - whoever wants to reuse the code has to reimplement a lot anyway (operating systems _are_ different_) and there's few gpl code that could be used afterwards (ie. in-kernel and such) that doesn't have a bsd-licensed equivalent (that's usually written more cleanly)
[12:30:26] <Gekkko> I'm wondering of such situations
[12:31:13] <quasi> could you all just take the licensing bitching over to debian-legal - you'll find plenty of other interested dweebs there ... all just waiting for a good debate ;)
[12:31:42] <Gekkko> mailing lists are not my calling
[12:31:51] <Gekkko> im not bitching either
[12:31:56] <Gekkko> im asking for opinion
[12:33:24] <quasi> gets a bit tiring for that to flare up every 2 or 3 days
[12:34:28] <Gekkko> not my fault some people argue to the death
[12:34:31] <Gekkko> I just want to know things.
[12:36:03] <Gekkko> lol CDDL is a lot like MPL 1.1
[12:36:36] <oxygene> Gekkko: no wonder - it's a generic variant of the MPL
[12:36:50] <Gekkko> very nice generic variant I must say
[12:36:58] <Gekkko> MIT would have to be the nearest to public domain :P
[12:37:03] <quasi> Gekkko: that's what I said before you went off - cddl is just a generic mpl
[12:37:10] <cmihai> Nah, WTFPL is the closest :-)
[12:37:20] <cmihai> WTFPL - Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License.
[12:37:23] <oxygene> Gekkko: the MPL has the problem of "hard coding" various things (author, jurisdiction) - the bsd licenses showed how bad such a setup is
[12:37:43] <Gekkko> yeah
[12:37:47] <Gekkko> I'm not fond of the BSD licence
[12:38:35] <oxygene> Gekkko: MIT? ISC-L is cleaner ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license
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[13:14:33] <mkanat> moazamraja: Thanks for the offer! :-)
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[13:26:12] <Gekkko> hmm
[13:26:16] <Gekkko> I'm once again confused
[13:26:21] <Gekkko> what is Solaris Express?
[13:26:34] <tsoome> opesolaris:P
[13:26:39] <tsoome> open*
[13:26:54] <Cyrille> a distribution based on opensolaris.
[13:27:34] <Cyrille> http://www.whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/
[13:28:34] <tsoome> someone should kill those morons who did create sun partner pricing tools
[13:29:54] <Gekkko> Cyrille: so what's the official OpenSolaris distribution?
[13:30:28] <Gekkko> oh
[13:30:29] <Cyrille> define "official"
[13:30:30] <Gekkko> that link was for me
[13:30:31] <Gekkko> :P
[13:30:32] <Gekkko> thanks
[13:30:44] <HarryR> oxygene, are there any legal differences between the ISC-L license and MIT license?
[13:31:25] <Gekkko> Cyrille: does the DVDs from get.opensolaris.org come with SXCE?
[13:32:12] <Cyrille> Yes. Might even be the developer edition which also has some developer tools.
[13:32:25] <Gekkko> oh nice
[13:32:38] <Gekkko> by the time i get them next month they'll probably be old right?
[13:32:38] <Gekkko> lol
[13:32:46] <Cyrille> There will be a knitter edition which will come with knitting needles and a ball of yarn, and a carpenter edition with a saw.
[13:33:10] <Cyrille> state of the scuba diver edition is still uncertain.
[13:33:11] <Gekkko> awesome
[13:34:32] <oxygene> HarryR: same terms, somewhat cleaner writing in my opinion
[13:37:41] <HarryR> hmm I might go and switch everything over to ISC-L (using MIT at the moment)
[13:38:10] <HarryR> as long as I'm not going to get sued when people inappropriately use my software in a nuclear reactor or something
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[13:50:05] <quasi> Apache license tends to fix most of those issues
[13:50:13] <quasi> at least v2 does
[13:51:05] <Tempt> Oh
[13:51:08] <Tempt> Come on.
[13:51:15] <Tempt> You said you didn't want to talk licensing.
[13:52:21] <quasi> oh, right - got caught in the moment
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[13:56:36] <devel1> Hello
[13:58:08] <devel1> I have a broken memory in SUN Blade 1000, how do i identify
[13:58:15] <devel1> which of them
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[14:00:35] <asyd> \_o<
[14:00:51] <dennis> devel1: prtdiag
[14:01:18] <aruiz> devel1, just look at one of them is bended and stripped
[14:01:30] <richlowe> Hrm, I thought the fma bits were specific enough US-III it'd point you straight at the dimm?
[14:01:35] <richlowe> 'specific enough on'
[14:01:58] <richlowe> aruiz: hrm, were you basing that on a blog post of jmcp's?
[14:02:18] <aruiz> heheh
[14:02:19] <richlowe> http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/on_fma_it_really_does
[14:02:29] <richlowe> also, the fact googling 'jmcp bent pin' found that amazes me.
[14:02:30] <devel1> dennis, there is no errors at output
[14:03:43] <jmcp> evening
[14:04:03] <jmcp> devel1: use "fmadm faulty"
[14:04:04] <Tempt> devel1: It should tell you ...
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[14:04:13] <Tempt> look in the logs ..
[14:04:28] <devel1> degraded mem:///unum=J0100,J0202,J0304,J0406
[14:04:29] <devel1>          de3e3505-4950-618e-a133-9ca545432ff3
[14:04:36] <devel1> 4 modules ?
[14:04:40] <jmcp> no, that bank
[14:05:11] <devel1> 0        0             0         2GB             0
[14:05:12] <devel1> 2        0             0         2GB             1
[14:05:12] <devel1> 1        0             1         512MB           0
[14:05:12] <devel1> 3        0             1         512MB           1
[14:05:13] <jmcp> run    fmdump -v -u  de3e3505-4950-618e-a133-9ca545432ff3
[14:05:41] <devel1> jmcp:
[14:05:42] <devel1>    95%  fault.memory.bank
[14:05:43] <devel1>
[14:05:43] <devel1>         Problem in: mem:///unum=J0100,J0202,J0304,J0406
[14:05:43] <devel1>            Affects: mem:///unum=J0100,J0202,J0304,J0406
[14:05:43] <devel1>                FRU: mem:///unum=J0100,J0202,J0304,J0406
[14:06:08] <quasi> even says fault.memory.bank
[14:07:09] <richlowe> Oh, that's annoying.
[14:07:22] <richlowe> J0100/0202/0304/0406 is all of bank0
[14:07:27] <richlowe> so it doesn't exactly narrow it down that much.
[14:07:50] <jmcp> devel1: is that all the memory you've got?
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[14:08:07] <devel1> jmcp:
[14:08:08] <devel1> Bank Table:
[14:08:09] <devel1>            Physical Location
[14:08:09] <devel1> ID       ControllerID  GroupID   Size       Interleave Way
[14:08:10] <devel1> 0        0             0         2GB             0
[14:08:11] <devel1> 2        0             0         2GB             1
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[14:08:13] <devel1> 1        0             1         512MB           0
[14:08:16] <devel1> 3        0             1         512MB           1
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[14:08:43] <jmcp> devel1: I repeat, is that all the memory you've got?
[14:08:48] <devel1> yes
[14:09:05] <jmcp> so you need to log a call and get somebody from Sun's support services to look into the data
[14:09:58] <devel1> I have nobody from SUN :(
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[14:10:39] <quasi> time to start looking for a new macine then
[14:10:45] <jmcp> devel1: how many errors do you have for that bank?
[14:11:14] <devel1> one
[14:11:29] <quasi> hardly enough to worry about
[14:11:56] <Tempt> start looking for a new machine?
[14:11:58] <jmcp> devel1: leave it be then
[14:12:01] <Tempt> because of one memory error?
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[14:12:14] <Tempt> I wish I lived in range of your machine discard pile, mate.
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[14:12:41] <jmcp> Tempt: it's possibly only a single page
[14:12:44] <jmcp> ie, 8kb
[14:12:46] <devel1> it would work ?
[14:12:49] <jmcp> devel1: it should
[14:12:56] <jmcp> the kernel remaps around it
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[14:13:05] <jmcp> Tempt: rtfm on fma please
[14:13:12] <Tempt> jmcp: Wah?
[14:13:19] <devel1> there was crash dump and reboot
[14:13:21] <Tempt> jmcp: I understand how FMA works.
[14:13:31] <Tempt> jmcp: I was responding to [22:10] <quasi> time to start looking for a new macine then
[14:13:38] <jmcp> Tempt: ah, ok
[14:13:39] <jmcp> nowurries then
[14:14:02] <Tempt> And I'm thinking if he tosses Blade-1000s on the first memory error, I'd like to be seeing his machine discard pile.
[14:14:08] <jmcp> ditto
[14:14:13] <jmcp> glad we're on the same wavelength
[14:14:22] * jmcp pleads multiple heads and dozens of conversations
[14:14:29] <Tempt> That's the one.
[14:14:42] <Tempt> My brain is slowly frying under the tedious nature of the task I'm currently trying to complete.
[14:15:11] <jmcp> Tempt: more Vx-ery?
[14:15:27] <Tempt> jmcp: Sorting my mp3 collection (!)
[14:15:33] <Tempt> jmcp: And re-ripping all my CDs.
[14:15:33] * jmcp snorts
[14:15:42] <jmcp> oh, so a task of *value* rather than paid
[14:15:50] <jmcp> glad you're out of the office for a change :)
[14:15:51] <Tempt> jmcp: Some of this stuff was originally ripped on a 486. There weren't any ID3 tags back then ...
[14:15:54] <quasi> Tempt: my comment was before he said it was the first error
[14:16:33] <Tempt> jmcp: Yes, I'm beginning to remember that I have computers at home, too ;)
[14:16:59] <jmcp> devel1: you'll see stuff in /var/adm/messages about the error, indicating a Description, Impact and Automatic Response
[14:17:00] <Tempt> Fortunately, I found some command line tools for manipulating id3 tags, so this isn't too bad.
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[14:20:39] <jmcp> trochej: "here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself a support contract"
[14:20:43] <trochej> :)
[14:21:06] <devel1> jmcp, thanks
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[14:28:37] <aliquis> Any chance we'll see OSS shipped with (Open)Solaris soon instead/together with SunAudio? Considering it's released with CDDL among others why not?
[14:28:51] <flyingparchment> the OSS integration is being worked on at the moment
[14:28:56] <aliquis> sweet
[14:29:03] <Tempt> Anyone here actually using it yet?
[14:29:16] <oxygene> "being worked on at the moment" doesn't mean that you'll see it in this life time ;)
[14:29:18] <flyingparchment> the open source version in particular?  i've used OSS in the past
[14:29:19] <aliquis> SunAudio on my Audigy card wasn't any good but Ekiga didn't worked good (or well, at all) with OSS so ..
[14:29:28] <aliquis> also gnome and stuff never used oss good either
[14:29:46] <flyingparchment> aliquis: if that's jds, it was probably using oss's sun audio emulation
[14:29:51] <flyingparchment> i never had much luck with that
[14:30:10] <aliquis> yeah, but all stuff in Solaris seemed to only be built for sunaudio, which sucked
[14:30:11] <Tempt> Hey, if xmms will use OSS, that's probably good enough.
[14:30:12] <Tempt> ;)
[14:30:24] <aliquis> so if oss is imported there is hope for things compiled with oss support aswell
[14:30:26] <aliquis> which would be nice
[14:30:42] <flyingparchment> hopefully they'll fix up the audio emulation too :)
[14:30:52] <flyingparchment> oh, and make it not panic the system when loaded on a debug kernel.  that would be nice.
[14:31:01] <Tempt> 23Gb of mp3s sorted... Not bad for one evening.
[14:31:14] <aliquis> if only solaris wasn't slow on my via k8t800 motherboard and they got the new whatever package management system up and running everything would be good =P
[14:31:28] <aliquis> + new kde port =P
[14:31:33] <Tempt> If only Scott McNealy would buy me a pony.
[14:31:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:31:56] <Gekkko[PDA]> opensolaris uses mpd right?
[14:32:19] <Cyrille> multiple personality disorder?
[14:32:40] <oxygene> aliquis: just curious - what do you expect from the "new whatever package management system"?
[14:33:15] <Tempt> uberpkg
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[14:33:40] <Tempt> uberpkg not only delivers existing packages, but it will write new software to suit.
[14:33:45] <Gekkko[PDA]> music play...ing daemon
[14:33:48] <Gekkko[PDA]> player?
[14:33:53] <Gekkko[PDA]> play*
[14:34:09] <oxygene> Gekkko[PDA]: it's in some of the open package repositories
[14:34:10] <Tempt> eg... "ubpkg --install 'a nice CLI mp3 player with a curses interface and light bar menus and a little text mode spectrum analyser thingy' --please"
[14:34:12] <flyingparchment> what do you mean, "uses mpd"?
[14:34:20] <Cyrille> uberpkg is no good, it has to be named something-get to be a good package manager.
[14:34:30] <flyingparchment> random-get
[14:34:36] <flyingparchment> installs a random package when you run it
[14:34:39] <Gekkko[PDA]> flyingparchment: no alternatives
[14:34:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> xmms?:
[14:34:51] <flyingparchment> Gekkko[PDA]: i don't understand what you're asking
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[14:35:37] <Gekkko[PDA]> flyingparchment: music players for solaris
[14:35:44] <Gekkko[PDA]> whats available?
[14:35:50] <flyingparchment> all of them?
[14:36:07] <Gekkko[PDA]> nice.
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[14:36:40] <Tempt> I especially like iTunes for Solaris.
[14:36:51] <HarryR> eh!
[14:37:13] <Gekkko[PDA]> >.>
[14:37:28] <flyingparchment> all of the unix ones
[14:37:29] <flyingparchment> :P
[14:37:32] <Gekkko[PDA]> how's video codec support on Solaris?
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[14:37:38] <Gekkko[PDA]> non-exist5^ant?
[14:37:52] <HarryR> Gekkko[PDA], depends on the application ofcourse :\
[14:37:55] <flyingparchment> ffmpeg/mplayer works fine, never needed anything else
[14:38:00] <oxygene> Gekkko[PDA]: on x86 you can use the win32 codecs pack just as you can elsewhere
[14:38:11] <Gekkko[PDA]> neither have i flyingparchment
[14:38:14] <HarryR> on sparc, you're a bit screwed though
[14:38:27] <Gekkko[PDA]> I'm not on sparc
[14:38:31] <Cyrille> can't you just flip the codec bytes? ;-)
[14:38:51] <Gekkko[PDA]> what's the advantages of x64 to sparc64?
[14:39:17] <flyingparchment> it's less reliable and doesn't scale as well
[14:39:22] <flyingparchment> (oh, and its cheaper.)
[14:40:04] <vmlemon> Runs your legacy x86 stuff, too ;)
[14:40:42] <Gekkko[PDA]> so what's good about sparc64?
[14:40:49] <Gekkko[PDA]> anything special?
[14:40:50] <dlg> Gekkko[PDA]: its AWESOME
[14:40:50] <flyingparchment> amd64 (from either amd or intel) is great if your main metric is mips per $
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[14:41:13] <Tempt> As in the difference between SPARC64 and UltraSPARC?
[14:41:18] <Tempt> Depends.
[14:41:28] <Tempt> I'd say the current generation of SPARC64 is looking pretty good.
[14:41:43] <Tempt> The decision really rests on whether you prefer Sun or Fujitsu.
[14:41:47] <HarryR> Gekkko[PDA], scales well, low power usage, lots of cores per cpu with the T series  chips
[14:42:02] <HarryR> atleast for Sun anyway
[14:42:07] <Gekkko[PDA]> more expensive I guess
[14:42:20] <Gekkko[PDA]> much more
[14:42:30] <Tempt> And you get to run SPARC binaries.
[14:42:31] <HarryR> I can get you an E10k for under $2500...
[14:42:32] <flyingparchment> Gekkko[PDA]: the advantage of SPARC systems, although the CPU is nice, is mainly other things - sparc systems tend to be higher end, they have better fault tolerance, scale better, need fewer reboots..
[14:42:40] <HarryR> 60gb mem, 60 processors
[14:42:57] <Gekkko[PDA]> not for a home workstation really :P
[14:43:07] <Tempt> And SPARC owners tend to be smug about their hardware.
[14:43:08] <HarryR> pff.. it's only 11kWh, pretty cheap to run ;)
[14:43:30] <HarryR> (without storage)
[14:43:39] <flyingparchment> i know people still using IPXs as ntp or dns servers.. probably not that many x86 machines from that era still around ;-)
[14:43:53] <jmcp> flyingparchment: at least, not ones which could run Solaris
[14:44:11] <swmackie> Is anyone else having problems managing their list subscriptions via the mail.opensolaris.org mailman interface?  I can't login and it won't send me a password reminder...
[14:44:29] <Gekkko[PDA]> I prefer IPX over TCP/IP for 1to1 connections
[14:44:41] <flyingparchment> IPX as in SPARCstation IPX, not Novell IPX
[14:44:49] <HarryR> Gekkko[PDA], http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipx/ipx_portrait.jpg
[14:45:00] <Gekkko[PDA]> PDA = irssi
[14:45:00] <flyingparchment> i understand something about their clock is particularly good for accurate time keeping compared to x86
[14:45:00] <HarryR> the pizzaboxes attack!
[14:45:05] <Gekkko[PDA]> ssh only.
[14:45:22] <HarryR> oh, think of, a grey pizza box with the sun logo and purple feet
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[14:45:37] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol wtf
[14:45:54] <flyingparchment> Gekkko[PDA]: like a desktop PC but shorter and longer
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[14:46:04] <flyingparchment> er, that came out wrong
[14:46:11] <flyingparchment> less height, more length
[14:46:29] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:46:29] <HarryR> so it's like a PC but different
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[14:47:07] * HarryR wants a cheap refurb Blade 2000 :(
[14:47:15] <trochej> PIZA!
[14:47:52] <aliquis> oxygene: Easy usage resolving dependencies/fetching other needed packages, source code/patches for each port available and finally hopefully all ports in one plays instead of spread over a lot of different systems and places and therefor better support from the developers/porters.... and hopefully a fresh kde port ..
[14:51:44] <oxygene> aliquis: so it's actually three issues: package system, "one place" (with sources), "kde port"
[14:51:45] * jmcp sleeps
[14:52:14] <quasi> HarryR: sb 2k usually isn't cheap
[14:53:44] <Tempt> Ah, give me a machine with 8 CPUs.
[14:53:48] <Tempt> Then you know it's a real computer.
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[14:54:45] <aliquis> oxygene: well if it becomes decent hopefully many users will use it and therefor stuff might show up in one place
[14:55:26] <flyingparchment> the problem with a single repository is that everyone doesn't agree on a single way to package software
[14:55:34] <HarryR> quasi, I'd go for 3rd or 4th hand
[14:55:52] <quasi> HarryR: I was just checking ebay
[14:56:09] <HarryR> I've been searching all the tech equipment clearout people and none of them have any in stock :\
[14:56:32] <HarryR> but otoh I did find a E10k auctioned on ebay which :\
[14:56:36] <Tempt> HarryR: Look for a Blade-1000 anyway. Not much difference between them.
[14:56:51] <HarryR> any idea for a price range 2nd hand or refurb?
[14:56:56] <Tempt> HarryR: I could have bought two fully loaded e10ks last year for under $AU2000 each. If I didn't pay for power, I would have bought them.
[14:57:07] <cmihai> HarryR: you can get something good for around 1000 Euro
[14:57:17] <cmihai> 2 @ 1200, 4GB RAM and all that,
[14:57:25] <Tempt> HarryR: Fair price for a dual-900/2Gb machine is around US$500-$US900 depending on card loadout and disks
[14:57:36] <oxygene> aliquis: so "non decent" packaging is the issue with svr4 packages in your opinion?
[14:57:45] <Tempt> Just buy a second hand 880 on ebay, it'll be peanuts ;)
[14:57:50] <cmihai> Yeah
[14:57:54] <cmihai> And 880$ for transport
[14:58:24] <cmihai> Same town, of course :-P
[14:58:34] <Tempt> I think mine cost $AU100 to ship.
[14:58:41] <cmihai> Where from?
[14:58:46] <Tempt> (only shipped about 1200 klicks.)
[14:58:49] <Tempt> Sydney to Melbourne
[14:58:56] <cmihai> Well..
[14:59:27] <quasi> sb 1k is much, much cheaper
[14:59:28] <HarryR> there are a few going on ebay at the moment, might consider it :\
[14:59:41] <cmihai> Yeah, get a 880
[15:00:41] <quasi> HarryR: check your power costs first ... and make sure you can turn down your hearing aid far enough
[15:00:44] 
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[15:01:04] <quasi> about 200 for a 1k
[15:01:17] <Tempt> then you can stick SATA discs in it ala http://www.purplecow.org/pix/880sata
[15:01:24] <timeless> hello tempt
[15:01:27] <HarryR> quasi, I pay a fixed rate for my power, and we've got a running joke going with my flatmate about how much power we can use because the landlord has to topup the meter every week nowdays
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[15:01:41] * timeless tries to remember who expressed an interest in the dts stuff
[15:01:58] <Tempt> HarryR: If power is no object, get the 10k.
[15:02:04] <Tempt> HarryR: And get a big Alphaserver 8400 too.
[15:02:09] <Tempt> HarryR: And an HP superdome
[15:02:15] <Tempt> HarryR: And an RS/6000 S80 (or similar)
[15:02:18] <richlowe> timeless: which stuff?
[15:02:22] <Tempt> HarryR: And a big SGI monster.
[15:02:38] <timeless> hi richlowe
[15:02:57] * dlg want an altix
[15:03:16] <timeless> richlowe: http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/134/
[15:04:20] * timeless really should remove the two comments since they aren't really relevant (?)
[15:04:27] <HarryR> Tempt, used to have an AlphaServer 4000
[15:04:32] <Tempt> Mmm
[15:04:34] <Tempt> Dee-licious
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[15:04:49] <HarryR> Nearly slipped a disk trying to get the damn thing moved
[15:04:54] <Tempt> I'm actually looking for a small alpha at the moment.
[15:04:57] <Tempt> Want to learn VMS.
[15:05:04] <timeless> richlowe: i guess it'd be nice if i could get some of my confused notes answered
[15:05:12] <timeless> should i just send stephen a link?
[15:06:05] <HarryR> VMS .. pff
[15:06:37] <Tempt> I already know the other Alpha target OS's, I just need VMS to round it out.
[15:06:47] * Tempt did his time as a TruCluster admin
[15:07:11] <HarryR> I was never allowed near the Tru64 machine when it was in production :\
[15:07:38] <HarryR> and had linux running on it after the server went "missing" after it was replaced
[15:07:42] <HarryR> ;)
[15:09:19] <aliquis> oxygene: non decent packaging == old packages on companion cd, and no kde port ... convenient packages from blastwave but without source code and no kde port, kde port from sun freeware and they also have source code but not as convenient to use, pkgsrc I lke a lot since I come from BSD but it lacks in ports ...
[15:09:39] <aliquis> oxygene: Aslong as there are no packages it doesn't matter how good the utilities are ..
[15:10:11] <Tempt> HarryR: Not allowed near it? Protective admins?
[15:10:29] <HarryR> nah, it was housed in a safe in the dc
[15:10:51] <aliquis> oxygene: if sun stood behind blastwave or pkgsrc or whatever it would be good enough
[15:10:57] <HarryR> and strict rules on remote access (e.g. dont give the developers a shell)
[15:11:13] <Tempt> Keeping developers and users away from machines is always a good move
[15:12:15] <oxygene> aliquis: the lack of source in blastwave made me start pmpkg, but kde is quite a hard port
[15:12:16] <quasi> Tempt: +100
[15:13:28] <Tempt> If I had my way, I'd lay landmines in the machineroom
[15:13:40] <HarryR> oxygene, why not just port gentoo portage & ebuild/emerge stuff?
[15:13:43] <quasi> oxygene: another nice thing about pmpkg is that it doesn't try to pull in a million dependencies like blastwave - I tried to install their svn once and had to run away screaming becuase it wanted something like 30 or 40 other packages
[15:14:41] <quasi> Tempt: and risk your serverroom ending up like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64856052@N00/894127714/ ?
[15:15:10] <aliquis> oxygene: Well I'm not that skilled in getting things compile and work, but for example irssi was quite easy to build and I could have uploaded a new version to blastwave, but it would have been much easier if one had the old patches from someone elses older port to use as guidance for updating it, so stupid to redo whatever someone else have already done. And yes, KDE is probably hard to do, that is why I _NEED_ a p
[15:15:11] <aliquis> ort, answers like "oh just build it yourself if it's not there!" won't help me much ...
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[15:15:16] <HarryR> ouch
[15:15:59] <Tempt> jesus fuck
[15:16:07] <oxygene> aliquis: someone has to do it *shrug*
[15:16:14] <Tempt> How the fsck?
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[15:16:21] <oxygene> HarryR: why should I use portage?
[15:16:57] <HarryR> oxygene, compile from source, good dependancy tracking, very good patch management, existing tree of packages
[15:17:11] <aliquis> oxygene: yeah, but I'm not skilled enough =P, and I still can't understand why all "commercial" companies seems to prefer gnome as desktop environment over kde, but in any case in any linux dist / os I would think both should be there from the begining for people who prefers to other one.
[15:17:15] <oxygene> HarryR: existing tree of packages without patches to have things run on solaris, yay
[15:17:41] <HarryR> nah I mean that it's easy to maintain platform specific patches
[15:17:44] <Tempt> KDE wasn't GNUlitically correct for a long time.
[15:17:48] <aliquis> atleast the dependency info is already there ;)
[15:18:23] <aliquis> harryr: but pkgsrc would work just as good? or? lacks the use flags thought
[15:18:34] <aliquis> harryr: and there are already some solaris ports in it
[15:18:39] <aliquis> and it already exist ;)
[15:18:50] * HarryR shrugs
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[15:19:56] <oxygene> HarryR: it's not - adapting sources to solaris is most of the work
[15:20:13] <oxygene> HarryR: everything else that portage provides I already have now, and tailored for solaris, too
[15:20:45] <HarryR> ok, well I'm just trying to push people slowly towards those ideas because I want Gentoo on OpenSolaris :(
[15:21:06] <aliquis> anyway just make something of it the default so all ports ends up in there
[15:21:20] <Tempt> HarryR: Need optimized binaries? <snerk>
[15:21:35] <oxygene> HarryR: then do it
[15:21:38] <HarryR> nah, I just like the way everything's organized
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[15:23:14] <aliquis> http://www.pcbsd.org/?p=learnpbi  would work to
[15:23:25] <HarryR> oxygene, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/bootstrap-solaris.xml
[15:23:30] <aliquis> But I guess it wastes some diskspace (and memory?)
[15:23:52] <trochej> God!
[15:23:54] <delewis> you could just build your own packages, like some of us do.
[15:23:59] <trochej> What's wrong with people.
[15:24:09] <trochej> My client gave away some computer some time ago.
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[15:24:37] <trochej> And today some guy phones me, that he got this computer and my phone numner, because he doesn't know how to install Windows on it
[15:24:38] <curlyman> HarryR: I tried to get that to work but I hate python too much to be of any worth.  :)
[15:24:50] <HarryR> i'll have a tinker later
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[15:26:29] <Tempt> Indeed, building your own packages isn't that hard.
[15:26:44] <aliquis> getting things to build are... ;/
[15:26:45] <aliquis> to me ;D
[15:26:55] <Tempt> But then again, delewis has the right idea. SPARC hardware, compiling packages as required, geez, you'd swear he used Solaris or something.
[15:27:00] <delewis> depends on 'things'
[15:27:15] <delewis> and your experience with shell scripting, Makefiles, and C/C++.
[15:27:27] <aliquis> delewis: well i wouldn't want to compile all the desktop stuff i would have wanted for myself ..
[15:27:41] <aliquis> if someone thinks it fun doing that for five months, sure, good for them
[15:27:45] <HarryR> aliquis,  you keep everything unbloated that way :)
[15:27:47] <aliquis> i'd much prefer if it was installed in 2 hours
[15:27:49] <delewis> what it usually comes down to is changing /sbin/sh to /usr/bin/bash (or fixing all the Bash-isms) and changing a few type qualifiers in C code.
[15:27:54] <trochej> Yeah, if we woule, we would be using Gentoo or Linux From Scratch
[15:28:25] <delewis> aliquis, I usually meet that with time to spare.
[15:28:28] <Tempt> Solaris from scratch!
[15:28:32] <delewis> that is, unless I choose to rewrite the Makefile.
[15:28:35] <aliquis> delewis: feel free to build kde, amarok and ekiga in versions which works ;)
[15:28:54] <delewis> I don't do KDE.
[15:29:01] <delewis> Sun has chosen to ship Gnome, and that's what I use.
[15:29:08] <aliquis> tempt: "Your OS from scratch - Build your own OS!"
[15:29:20] <hile_> I use what's supported.
[15:29:33] <hile_> Unfortunately, that means these days I use JDS instead of CDE
[15:29:34] <aliquis> Well I don't do girls.
[15:29:47] <aliquis> The spaghetti monster have choosen to only equip myself with hands, so that's what I use.
[15:29:50] <aliquis> but I'm not happy with it
[15:30:13] <delewis> sounds like kaiwai.
[15:30:19] <kaiwai> pardon?
[15:30:45] <kaiwai> who sounds like me? who's infrindging on my patented whinging and whinging?
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[15:31:31] <aliquis> Atleast my system keeps me "unbloated" aswell, my hands will never become fat ;/
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[15:35:28] <Tempt> delewis: Couldn't keep your fool mouth shut, could you?
[15:35:38] <delewis> shame, that.
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[15:38:59] <trochej> shame, shame, shame
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[15:40:19] <HarryR> delewis, most distributions come with kde or gnome as standard, regardless of what the default "choice" is, if you find something more productive then use it
[15:40:48] <delewis> distributions? that reeks with Linux.
[15:41:15] <kaiwai> KDE is nice, but thats due to my leaning towards Quanta+, KOffice, Amarok and Kopete
[15:41:16] <HarryR> there are solaris distributions now remember ;)
[15:41:34] <HarryR> both xfce (both 3 and 4) works very well on Solaris though, which is what I use
[15:42:21] <kaiwai> apparently KDE4 is 'work in progress'
[15:43:04] <HarryR> kde is like driving a humvee around a golfcourse to carry your golf clubs..
[15:43:21] <trochej> kaiwai: Actually it quite official, not apprently :)
[15:44:05] <kaiwai> trochej: I like to remain cautiously skeptical
[15:44:17] <kaiwai> not to keep my hopes to high
[15:50:37] <kaiwai> but JDS is good enough
[15:50:41] <kaiwai> it could be worse
[15:51:56] <Tempt> fluxbox
[15:52:03] <Tempt> Give me fluxbox, firefox and rxvt
[15:52:10] <Tempt> What else could one *possibly* need?
[15:52:15] <Tempt> apart from screen
[15:53:18] <kaiwai> I assume "what else could one possibly need" in context to computer desktops
[15:54:05] <Tempt> Yes, in the context of computer desktops.
[15:54:08] <kaiwai> good applications
[15:54:20] <curlyman> Tempt: eclipse
[15:54:31] <Tempt> Booze, cigarettes, shelter and sex being basic needs and therefore not in need of enumeration.
[15:54:39] <kaiwai> curlyman: an eclipse build that works properly
[15:54:48] * Tempt is not a developer
[15:54:50] <kaiwai> curlyman: drag and drop widgets etc.
[15:54:56] <aliquis> tempt: fvwm?
[15:55:11] <aliquis> but I'm to lazy to learn how to set fvwm up nicely
[15:55:19] <aliquis> the man page is huge, like 180 screens or so
[15:55:21] <aliquis> ;/
[15:55:30] <Tempt> fluxbox
[15:55:34] <Tempt> Seriously.
[15:55:35] <curlyman> kaiwai: like a gui builder thing?
[15:55:46] <aliquis> anyway I like KDE mostly because I like the apps
[15:55:55] <aliquis> so then I'd rather use the same toolkit for all of them
[15:56:07] <kaiwai> curlyman: one that doesn't suck
[15:56:14] <aliquis> but it's better than gnome aswell ;)
[15:56:15] <kaiwai> GLADE sites high on the suck-o-meter
[15:56:22] <kaiwai> *sits
[15:56:59] <curlyman> kaiwai: I've never met a gui builder that I liked.
[15:57:34] <kaiwai> curlyman: Visual Studio from Microsoft does an ok job
[15:58:24] <kaiwai> Microsoft does make some good software, too bad it isn't Windows
[15:58:34] <curlyman> kaiwai: boo boo boooo!
[15:59:28] <kaiwai> curlyman: *shrugs* better to admit when a competitor has a strength, then copy it to buggery
[16:00:42] <curlyman> kaiwai: I disagree.  I don't think many have tried to impliment the drag drop GUI thing in a "copying" sort of way.
[16:01:39] <Tempt> I'm going to hack ZFS, right, and as soon as it sees something try to create "Thumbs.db" on a filesystem it hunts down the source of this evil and exterminates the machine with missiles and lasers.
[16:01:49] <trochej> :)
[16:01:54] <Tempt> Same for .DS_Store
[16:02:11] <trochej> What the heck are those?
[16:03:11] <Tempt> Apple
[16:03:13] <Tempt> MacoS
[16:03:14] <calumb> windows/mac thumbnail databases
[16:03:19] <Tempt> MacOS resource fork crap
[16:03:27] <trochej> oh
[16:03:53] <kaiwai> curlyman: Sun has in their studio but it failed horribly
[16:04:00] <calumb> (nothing to do with resource forks actually, AFAIK)
[16:04:31] <Tempt> Hmm.
[16:04:38] <Tempt> AppleEvil(tm)
[16:05:06] <calumb> (._* files are the resource forks)
[16:06:06] <curlyman> I think apples are yummy.
[16:07:33] <Tempt> Especially the green ones
[16:08:21] <kaiwai> that reminds me, I've got some apples
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[16:08:24] <kaiwai> got it on special
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[16:09:22] <Tempt> kaiwai: I bought an iPod just to annoy you.
[16:09:47] <kaiwai> Tempt: I prefer my minidisc, much more reliable
[16:10:00] <Cyrille> get it to work with solaris to annoy him even more
[16:10:10] <jamesd> Tempt, is the music you play on it enough to make kaiwai gouge his eyes out with a dull knife as well?
[16:10:12] <Tempt> I've already had it mount on Solaris
[16:10:22] <Tempt> Amarok is installed, just need to give it a stab
[16:10:32] <Tempt> jamesd: Nasenbluten good enough?
[16:10:34] <kaiwai> I wouldn't have a clue as to what music he likes
[16:11:06] <jamesd> not sure never heard them
[16:11:09] <Tempt> Oh, trust me, I listen to a lot of music that would make the bulk of the world's population want to gouge their ears and eyes out.
[16:11:17] <Tempt> usually during work hours.
[16:11:20] <Teknomancer> Cannibal Corpse?
[16:11:31] <kaiwai> Tempt: like what? Britney Spears?
[16:11:34] <richlowe> the captain and tenneale?
[16:11:35] <Teknomancer> can't get much worse than that
[16:11:36] <Tempt> ha
[16:11:37] <Tempt> good call
[16:12:18] <Tempt> I find breakcore to be the best way of drowning out the noise from office, followed by industrial noise.
[16:12:39] <kaiwai> Tempt: heard any music that e^ipi listens to?
[16:12:44] <Atomdrache> I'm plenty familiar with the industrial noise part, but what's breakcore?
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[16:12:58] <Teknomancer> pfft i listen to Troll Metal
[16:13:08] <Atomdrache> Though you could still make it more eye-stabbing-worthy.  Toss some Mr. Bungle in there.
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[16:13:38] <Atomdrache> (Can't get worse than Britney Spears?  Hahaha...)
[16:13:39] <kaiwai> hi Gman
[16:13:45] <Gman> hey kaiwai
[16:13:59] <Teknomancer> Atomdrache: actually i mean Canibal Corpse :P
[16:14:26] <Atomdrache> They just suck.  They're not as *actively* bad as Mr. Bungle.
[16:14:33] <coffman> isnt powernowd now in ON ?
[16:14:41] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDP7c3Zd8I and have fun :-)
[16:14:58] <LeftWing> Hah, Minidisc. What a waste of time.
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[16:15:55] <kaiwai> LeftWing: better than getting assraped by Apple in the form of poor reliability
[16:16:11] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: checked out the link? :P
[16:16:12] <LeftWing> I've never had any problems with my iPod.
[16:16:36] <Teknomancer> kaiwai: i'm on slow net, it'll take a good while
[16:16:39] <Tempt> Hey LeftWing.
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[16:16:49] <LeftWing> At least it's not Yet Another Form of Crazy Arse Storage That Nobody Cares About, a la Minidisc.
[16:16:51] <devel1> Hey
[16:16:55] <LeftWing> Tempt: Hi there!
[16:17:16] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Think Venetian Snares
[16:17:33] <Atomdrache> Hmm...can't say I know what those are.
[16:17:37] <Teknomancer> ugggh I hAaaaatee these damn social themed TV serials :(
[16:17:38] <devel1> Who knows, "eri" device supports VLANs in Solaris 10 ?
[16:17:38] <Atomdrache> At least not by name.
[16:17:45] <trochej> 16:04 <@nefele> God Answers Prayers Of Paralyzed Little Boy
[16:17:46] <trochej> 16:04 <@nefele> 'No,' Says God
[16:17:47] <trochej> :)
[16:17:50] <LeftWing> devel1: Not so much, no.
[16:17:58] <kaiwai> Teknomancer, : social themed tv serials?
[16:18:04] <devel1> hmm
[16:18:05] <devel1> thanks
[16:18:06] <Atomdrache> trochej: Lulz :D
[16:18:12] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Grab a copy of the album "Winnipeg is a Frozen Shithole"
[16:18:22] <LeftWing> devel1: I believe gdamore has put back (or wants to put back) some code into SX that will rectify that situation, but not for Solaris 10 as I understand it.
[16:18:42] <Atomdrache> With a name like that it's got to be interesting :3
[16:19:36] <kaiwai> the one who was talking about the powermanagement, its kinda buggy
[16:19:50] <devel1> LeftWing, you now something about D-Link DFE-580TX ?
[16:19:57] <kaiwai> and yes, I have filed a bug report
[16:20:07] <devel1> does it works with VLANs ?
[16:20:27] <LeftWing> devel1: To describe my pertinent knowledge as non-existant would leave me with no words to describe my desire to learn about it.
[16:20:43] <Teknomancer> kaiwai:  probably non-existant where you live.. something like bold and beautiful
[16:20:49] <Teknomancer> except about a 10000 times more crying
[16:20:57] <Teknomancer> and promoting women's rights... ugh forget it
[16:21:00] <devel1> :)
[16:21:02] <kaiwai> eww, dear god
[16:21:03] <Teknomancer> its a local thing i guess
[16:21:08] <kaiwai> hair back feminists with voices like tuba's
[16:21:12] <Teknomancer> a sort of trend here
[16:21:22] <Teknomancer> most females are wathcing it :(
[16:21:42] <Teknomancer> including my grandmom... grrrrrrrr i should probably use a child lock password or something :P
[16:21:48] <kaiwai> thats the problem with me, my mere presence would offended everyone within a 100km radius of myself :)
[16:22:47] <kaiwai> damn I can't stand political correctness
[16:22:54] <LeftWing> IRC is good for reaching a wider audience, apparently.
[16:23:04] <Tempt> kaiwai: Have you considered radical cosmetic surgery?
[16:23:20] <trochej> Or comedic surgery?
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[16:23:34] <kaiwai> Tempt: meh, it isn't my apperance but more the fact that I tend to be honest
[16:23:50] <Tempt> Then you need social surgery
[16:24:02] <Tempt> That's where you get stabbed every time you put your foot in it.
[16:24:11] <trochej> kaiwai: No, you tend to be whining, it doesn't automaticly count as honest :)
[16:24:12] <LeftWing> Electroshock is cleaner.
[16:24:15] <Tempt> LeftWing: Wanna help school him?
[16:24:21] <LeftWing> I'll get the voltaics.
[16:24:35] <Tempt> I'll juice up my Tesla coil, and my 1940s electro-shock hardware.
[16:24:38] <kaiwai> trochej: not really, its when a sales rep tries to push a crap product onto me when I was managing at my last work
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[16:26:05] <kaiwai> trochej: one that was good, as one of the reps said, atleast I didn't pussy foot around for days on end trying to make up a decision
[16:26:27] <Tempt> I didn't think you had a job, Kaiwai, let alone one with purchasing authority.
[16:26:32] <Teknomancer> kaiwai: man, that youtube link :)
[16:26:33] <Teknomancer> lol
[16:26:37] <trochej> :)
[16:26:46] <kaiwai> Tempt: then obviously you don't know me
[16:27:07] <kaiwai> Tempt: but I have an empty bed and a gimp suite with your name on it
[16:27:18] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: interesting clip :)
[16:27:33] <LeftWing> I suspect that's the wrong definition of "know."
[16:27:34] <Teknomancer> good god its horrible
[16:27:43] <trochej> :)
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[16:28:27] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: compared to e^ipi beatnik music, its pure pleasure
[16:28:56] <Tempt> Man, I can see the problem with your honesty.
[16:29:06] <Tempt> It's called fucking sexual fucking harassment.
[16:29:17] <Teknomancer> heh
[16:29:19] <LeftWing> haha
[16:29:38] <Cyrille> well he did say you'd have a bed of your own, that's hardly harassment ;-)
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[16:29:52] <kaiwai> Tempt: *cracks whip*
[16:29:56] <trochej> Cyrille: No, he said he has an empty bed
[16:29:59] <Cyrille> and he wants to offer you a graphics suite
[16:30:18] <trochej> Cyrille: As wierd as language works, that actually may mean that he sleeps there alone :)
[16:30:44] <Cyrille> he said "an empty bed and a gimp suite with your name on it", I assumed it was like a free room with a desktop computer featuring the Gimp software.
[16:31:05] <Cyrille> so he was offering accommodation with facilities included ;-)
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[16:31:18] <trochej> Cyrille: "featuring the Gimp software" is like next best oxymoron just after "Microsoft Works" :)
[16:31:41] <Cyrille> I prefer army intelligence.
[16:32:08] <trochej> I prefer my wife, thank you.
[16:32:09] <kaiwai> of cource, Tempt is just trying to twist the words to that he can have his way with me *innocent face*
[16:32:09] <trochej> :)
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[16:32:36] <Tempt> Fuck this; cigarette time.
[16:32:39] <trochej> kaiwai: Innocent face and your nickane just don't belong int the same screen
[16:32:39] <kaiwai> ah, a wife - sadistic physco every 28 days
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[16:33:09] <trochej> kaiwai: Actually no, given my secret formula for relaxation, she is just sweet :)
[16:33:18] * trochej joins joints
[16:33:29] * kaiwai asks trochej to pass the 'mary jane'
[16:33:42] * trochej passes Jane Doe
[16:33:42] <kaiwai> I've got a hubbly-bubbly I'm willing to share
[16:33:54] <kaiwai> with four pipes
[16:33:57] <kaiwai> :)
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[16:34:30] <axisys> x2100 console is set to text but I dont see the console when connecting thru SP
[16:34:43] <Teknomancer> what's a hubbly bubbly?
[16:34:44] <trochej> Kheheheee. Actually, I don't smoke. But I couldn't resist the bad joke
[16:35:31] <kaiwai> Hookha
[16:35:44] <kaiwai> its a water pipe with multiple pipes coming out of it
[16:35:53] <kaiwai> I'll get a picture
[16:35:55] <tomww> axisys: start /SP/console   ?
[16:35:58] <kaiwai> its a Syrian one
[16:36:22] <trochej> kaiwai: Hmm, in your company one can get all wrong and instead of pulling the air, one could blow
[16:36:27] <trochej> four pipes
[16:36:30] <trochej> myyyyy...
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[16:36:32] <kaiwai> http://images.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=A1X&resnum=0&q=hookah&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
[16:36:54] <Teknomancer> nevermind, i don't smoke :P
[16:36:58] <kaiwai> of course :)
[16:37:12] <kaiwai> I tend to do my best work when my brain is else where ;)
[16:37:22] <trochej> in your ass?
[16:37:40] <Teknomancer> i was waiting for that one
[16:37:41] <Teknomancer> :P
[16:37:46] <trochej> :)
[16:38:08] <kaiwai> trochej: lol :)
[16:38:24] <kaiwai> trochej: just don't get near me, I'm an affectionate drunk :)
[16:38:33] <axisys> tomww: I did.. I saw only this line and nothing else
[16:38:36] <axisys> tomww: SunOS Release 5.10 Version Generic_118855-33 64-bit
[16:39:02] <trochej> kaiwai: No problem, I was in military and fenced off an affectionate officer, so I can take care of myself.
[16:39:09] <kaiwai> lol
[16:40:22] <kaiwai> trochej: pass the affectionate officer over here :)
[16:40:32] <Teknomancer> whats with all the affection
[16:40:45] <Tempt> elektronkind: Relaxing smoke?
[16:41:15] <trochej> Teknomancer: A better world.
[16:41:31] <trochej> Where everyone is nice, smiling and warm.
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[16:41:39] <Cyrille> did you have to fence him off because as an officer, he was carrying a sword?
[16:41:42] <Tempt> That's the one.
[16:41:58] <Teknomancer> you're dreaming again :P
[16:42:22] <kaiwai> Cyrille: quite a big sword at that apparently
[16:42:27] <trochej> Cyrille: Considering the multitude of words that it was called with, I believe the sword was among them, so yes, you could say that he was carrying a sword.
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[16:43:28] <axisys> sorry my irssi died.. i am back
[16:43:59] <Teknomancer> hope it had a decent funeral
[16:44:02] <Teknomancer> wb
[16:44:14] <trochej> With swords, effection and a good blow.
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[16:56:38] <Tempt> anyway, goodnight all
[16:56:42] <Tempt> Offlining for the night.
[16:56:43] <LeftWing> Night,
[16:57:20] <trochej> Yeah, just leave me here, alone, with kaiwai and his whip, you weenies
[16:57:21] <tomww> axisys: does your eeprom | grep console
[16:57:32] <tomww> point to ttya ?
[16:57:42] <trochej> May
[16:57:50] <trochej> That was a sexual harrasment if I saw any
[16:58:00] <trochej> eeprom grepping console
[16:58:49] <axisys> tomww: console=text
[16:58:52] <Teknomancer> cu all. ... i'm done for day
[16:58:55] <Teknomancer> nite
[16:59:11] <trochej> Friggin time differences
[16:59:44] <tomww> axisys: you'll have to change that to ttya and bootadm update-archive
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[17:01:16] <axisys> tomww: do I need to reboot?
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[17:01:22] <axisys> I still dont see the console
[17:02:06] <axisys> tomww: it sits here http://rafb.net/p/pGe2Xq27.html
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[17:04:07] <tomww> axisys: boot failsave with the kernel cmdline -B console=ttya  and repair it from there
[17:04:31] <tomww> bootadm update-archir -R /a
[17:05:20] <quasi> update-archive
[17:05:25] <kaiwai> update armchair? :P
[17:05:55] <moazamraja> re/morning
[17:05:55] <trochej> :)
[17:06:49] <kaiwai> damn, I'm a magne to every freak, weirdo and window's user on the internet
[17:06:52] * trochej stares blankly at header file for last hour
[17:06:53] <kaiwai> *magnet
[17:08:08] <kaiwai> hmm, mother suspect of killing 4 kids - she'll probably use some excuse
[17:09:17] <kaiwai> hahaha castrated her step father - nice move, very nice
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[17:17:30] <tomww> axisys: you have to reboot to activate the console=ttya
[17:27:11] <coffman> so whats the crap about not supporting "older" amd dual cores?
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[17:27:51] <coffman> i get the timing thing but what i dont get, why not clock both cores @same speed
[17:28:04] <coffman> instead of not supporting clocking after all?
[17:28:57] <richlowe> eh?
[17:30:14] <kaiwai> hmm, why have a clock when you can have a metranome?
[17:30:52] <coffman> richlowe: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21432&tstart=0
[17:31:51] <kaiwai> hopefully they'll fix up the issue with power management :(
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[17:34:17] <richlowe> I'd thought there were workarounds for the TSC drift issue.
[17:34:26] <richlowe> maybe I entirely misread something.
[17:34:30] <kaiwai> hmm wouldn't it be easier to simply shoot to kill those trying to cross the border?
[17:34:56] <axisys> tomww: still seeing this.. /SP/AgentInfo -> start console
[17:34:57] <axisys> console activate successful
[17:34:57] <axisys> press ESC ( to terminate session...
[17:35:08] <axisys> am I hitting a bug on X2100 M2?
[17:35:26] <tomww> axisys: did you activate serial console in thte BIOS and reset the system?
[17:35:44] <tomww> you should at least see the bios memtest and so on
[17:35:58] <axisys> tomww: dont think so.. let me reboot
[17:36:19] <axisys> i only changed on eeprom
[17:36:54] <tomww> axisys: ok, that is definitily not enough :)  .. you should see the BIOS-screen next
[17:37:17] <axisys> going to F2 now
[17:38:43] <jlc> ping alanc
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[17:39:02] <alanc> pong jlc
[17:39:05] <jlc> hey
[17:39:19] <jlc> do you know if there is a work around for nvidia 8400
[17:39:30] <jlc> got a new laptop and solaris bails during the install
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[17:39:44] <jlc> I forget the error.... but believe it is video related :)
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[17:40:06] <jlc> i can always try again and post the error
[17:40:45] <jlc> wondering if the cd/dvd has a line you can add during boot to tell it to use vesa, like in fedora I can add the kernel line xdriver=vesa
[17:40:50] <axisys> tomww: Boot option: BIOS Setup from java gui seems only way to invoke BIOS
[17:40:53] <axisys> that sucks
[17:41:05] <tomww> what?
[17:41:34] <axisys> tomww: ok now that I am on bios where do I setup so SP has access to console?
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[17:42:33] <tomww> I'm sorry, all of mychones are in production, so look around in the menues you'll see it
[17:42:40] <jlc> brb, I need coffee and had acl surgery last week, so I'm a bit slow :)
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[17:43:34] <tomww> s/mychones/my machines/
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[17:45:04] <alanc> jlc: I don't know of anything like that - it should fall back to VESA if the driver doesn't recognize the chipset
[17:45:33] <alanc> best I know of is telling it to install in console mode, and not use X at all during the install
[17:45:53] <alanc> (which may only be an option in the non-developer-express install mode, I don't remember)
[17:46:01] <tomww> jlc could use the nowin-option on the kernel-line
[17:46:14] <AbsintheSyringe> guys
[17:46:23] <AbsintheSyringe> my solaris10 is getting core.dump on x86 install
[17:46:25] <axisys> tomww: ok I can see the BIOS from console now
[17:46:30] <axisys> tomww: thats good
[17:46:35] <AbsintheSyringe> early as in network coniguation, just asking me about dhcp
[17:46:46] <axisys> but when the system boots back to OS I dont see the login prompt
[17:47:03] <tomww> axisys: did you see the grub menu?
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[17:47:28] <jlc> i'll give that a try
[17:47:29] <axisys> tomww: no I did not see the grub menu either.. only way I see grub menu is thru VGA.. on my screen
[17:47:37] <alanc> the nv driver used during install is being updated in nv_70 to the latest version, which adds support for the mobile 8400 & 8600
[17:47:56] <alanc> but for the accelerated nvidia driver, you'll still have to download a new version from nvidia.com post-install
[17:48:04] <jlc> ah, so I could wait tell that hits the mirrors
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[17:48:31] <tomww> axisys: grub should auto-detect the serial console mode.... is the ILOM/BIOS at the latest revision?
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[17:48:40] <alanc> it might be a while - nv_70 is taking longer than usual due to the new installer integration (dwarf caiman)
[17:48:46] <axisys> tomww: yes 2.71.. just upgraded the fw
[17:49:11] <alanc> (a while as in a week or two, not months)
[17:49:20] <richlowe> alanc: ever the optimist.
[17:49:29] <jlc> :)
[17:49:39] * richlowe is betting on around a month to an SX:CE
[17:49:44] <trochej> alanc: You mean nv_70 will have dwarf caiman?
[17:50:07] <alanc> trochej: that's the plan
[17:50:14] <jlc> what is that?
[17:50:21] <theRealballchalk> yea what is that?
[17:50:30] <axle_512> dwarf caiman is the new gui installer for solaris 10
[17:50:35] <jlc> !google dwarf caiman
[17:50:43] <richlowe> dwarf caiman is the GUI install for SX:DE
[17:50:45] <alanc> gtk-based, instead of java-based
[17:50:52] <trochej> jlc: www.opensolaris.org and there go to caiman/installer
[17:50:53] <jlc> thx
[17:50:54] <richlowe> it's nowhere near featureful enough to be a real solaris installer.
[17:51:01] <richlowe> unless their plans changed radically
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[17:51:18] <trochej> richlowe: But its shinyyyyyy
[17:51:21] <trochej> me waaaaantsss
[17:51:30] <trochej> :)
[17:51:31] <axle_512> richlowe:  Is it less featurefull than the current installer?
[17:51:34] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Dwarf/
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[17:51:50] <richlowe> than the current DE installer? No idea, I avoid the thing.
[17:51:56] <richlowe> it'd be damn hard to do less than it does, however.
[17:51:57] <jlc> I just like to install it, don't care how.
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[17:52:37] <axle_512> richlowe: My impression is that it is a huge step in the right direction.
[17:52:39] <alanc> and just so you can blame Gman for it, he posted the screen shots: http://www.gnome.org/~gman/gui-install/
[17:52:58] <richlowe> alanc: we need reasons to blame Gman?
[17:53:18] <alanc> (you know, Gman was in my office yesterday, and I totally forgot to blame him for anything)
[17:53:20] <axisys> tomww: this is how my grub menu looks like http://rafb.net/p/7cH7r426.html
[17:53:26] <Gman> asshats!
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[17:53:30] <timsf> it is his fault after all. ( and stevel's, just in case he thought he was getting away scott-free!)
[17:54:02] <axisys> tomww: do I add console=ttya to this kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot ?
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[17:55:10] <asyd> edit menu.lst ?
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[17:56:28] <axisys> asyd: this is how my grub looks like http://rafb.net/p/jG9cfb65.html
[17:56:44] <kaiwai> hmm, interesting
[17:56:46] <axisys> asyd: do I uncomment the serial --unit=0 --speed=9600 and terminal serial ?
[17:56:54] <kaiwai> nice GUI, too bad it doesn't support ZFS
[17:57:02] <asyd> this line is for grub
[17:57:26] <asyd> but if you want full access via serial line, uncomment the line indeed
[17:57:54] <asyd> kernel /boot/multiboot kernel/unix -s -B console=ttya
[17:57:54] <kaiwai> now, just waiting for the blood curdling scream from the *NIX devotee's who claim 'real mean use CLI"
[17:57:55] <axisys> asyd: it says not to uncomment them if my BIOS console serial is active
[17:58:33] * jamesd is glad i work in IT, or the dryer repair guy racket would put me in the poor house... $203 for 30minutes of work.
[17:59:14] <timsf> I remember similar stuff getting my washing machine repaired the last time jamesd
[17:59:17] <sommerfeld> axisys: current practice is generally to use BIOS console redirection and a serial console argument to the kernel
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[17:59:28] <sommerfeld> grub runs with the bios screen-scraper but you're not running it for long
[17:59:40] <timsf> and watching very carefully what he did to "fix" it... Saved myself a few quid the next time it broke
[17:59:54] <trochej> kaiwai: "real mean"?
[18:00:02] <timsf> (the internet's wonderful, was able to download a repair manual for my machine, which helped a bit)
[18:00:02] <kaiwai> *real men
[18:00:09] <sommerfeld> jamesd: it's a conspiracy to get you to buy a new dryer
[18:00:10] * timsf considers career as plumber
[18:00:25] <CIA-26> mj162486: 6540209 nscd in nss_compat:ldap keeps a lot of memory
[18:00:35] <axisys> sommerfeld: so this looks kosher? http://rafb.net/p/fVgKk331.html
[18:00:35] <jamesd> timsf, yeah i was hoping it would be cheaper...  we were allready planning to replace the dryer, but i wont have money for it for a couple months, and hanging clothes on the line when you and the mrs.  both work full time doesn't work
[18:00:45] <axisys> i still hav BIOS console redirect active
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[18:01:51] <timsf> Tell me about it : nappy washes mean our washer is on most of the time, we dry mostly outside, but laundry is a never-ending cycle in our house
[18:02:12] <timsf> (though having a drier in this wonderful Irish climate is a bit of a must as well!)
[18:02:26] <axisys> but i need to see grub before I can pick that console from grub meny
[18:02:29] <axisys> menu*
[18:03:57] <kaiwai> I assume the next SXDE will use the new installer?
[18:04:14] <BatonT> new installer??
[18:04:28] <jlc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Dwarf/
[18:04:40] <jlc> we were just talking about that ;)
[18:04:52] <axle_512> kaiwai, someone just said it should make it into build 70.
[18:04:55] <kaiwai> still uses java I assume
[18:05:07] <calumb> nope, gtk
[18:05:10] <BatonT> jlc: forgive me if i miss the odd thing..  at work on night shift by myself..
[18:05:10] <jlc> gtk
[18:05:10] * kaiwai cues the wails of anguish
[18:05:18] <jlc> no worries
[18:05:38] <sommerfeld> axisys: that looks plausible.
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[18:05:51] <axisys> sommerfeld, timsf, asyd so how do I make sure I see the grub menu on x2100 M2 .. i already set the BIOS console redirection set to always
[18:05:55] <kaiwai> kinda sucks there is no zfs suppoort :(
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[18:06:24] <asyd> kaiwai: in what?
[18:06:37] <axle_512> kaiwai:  My impression was that zfs support in dwarf caiman is coming soon?
[18:06:43] <asyd> ah, dwark
[18:06:53] <kaiwai> the new installer
[18:07:46] <sommerfeld> helped a coworker find a bug in the new installer the other day.  (unix programs get very confused when they start with any of stdin, stdout, stderr closed..)
[18:08:37] <calumb> yeah, ZFS is on the Caiman roadmap, just not for Dwarf AFAIK
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[18:09:30] <asyd> time to drink some beers
[18:10:16] <kaiwai> oh well, once Dwarf is all installed there will be screaming that solaris is becoming too easy
[18:10:33] <timsf> axisys sounds like you're doing everything right wrt. console redirection
[18:11:19] <axisys> timsf: it is funny I can move the cursor and I can see on the external monitor it is moving.. but my screen is SP screen is blank
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[18:12:30] <timsf> External monitor ?
[18:12:54] <axisys> timsf: yes
[18:13:11] <tomww> axisys: you could force grub to use the serial console.
[18:13:18] <timsf> Do those things have vga ports, or do you mean ttya ?
[18:13:37] <axisys> tomww: only if I see the grub menu
[18:13:40] <axisys> tomww: they have both
[18:13:54] <tomww> you should still have the java console for vga over IP
[18:14:32] <timsf> I admit to never having tried to access a console on one of those via vga *and* ttya
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[18:15:07] <timsf> but I'm behind on the latest x64 servers
[18:16:17] <axisys> tomww: not if i try to console=ttya on grub
[18:16:24] <tomww> the x86 (at least the sun ones) take the BIOS setting to use the serial console and start shadowing the BIOS to vga + ttya
[18:16:35] <axisys> i still have web access.. but when i lunch the java gui.. it is blank
[18:16:38] <tomww> grub detects the serial setting and starts using the serial fot the menu.
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[18:16:45] <tomww> s/fot/for/
[18:17:35] <tomww> if solaris is installed freshly, it also detects ttya as console (at least the never releases), or you can put console=ttya into bootenv.rc and the grub command-line for the kernel
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[18:18:37] <axisys> so far I have this in grub menu http://rafb.net/p/fVgKk331.html
[18:18:51] <axisys> so now if I can see the actual grub I will be set.
[18:19:44] <axisys> i am playing with Post-Boot Support in BIOS.. it has four options Disbale/Boot Loader/Always redirect
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[18:19:52] <axisys> three options
[18:20:17] <tomww> axisys: where is you "default" enry in menu.lst? this menu should boot the very first entry and this one has no -B console=ttya
[18:21:13] <axisys> tomww: ok so lets make that default
[18:22:07] <axisys> tomww: this is the complete file now http://rafb.net/p/fVgKk331.html
[18:22:19] <tomww> if your editing the menu.lst right now, add the serial directive
[18:22:58] <tomww> seems to be the same pastebin-url...
[18:23:13] <axisys> tomww: oops.. let me try again
[18:24:40] <tomww> serial --unit=0
[18:24:55] <tomww> terminal serial
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[18:25:27] <axisys> tomww: this is how I have it setup now
[18:25:28] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/2PmDLE18.html
[18:25:34] <catena> i have a problem
[18:25:35] <catena> Jul 31 21:49:02 bluewhirl nfs4cbd[243]: [ID 867284 daemon.notice] nfsv4 cannot determine local hostname binding for transport tcp6 - delegations will not be available on this transport
[18:25:37] <axisys> it says not to uncomment them
[18:26:02] <axisys> tomww: it says not to uncoment them if BIOS console redirect is active
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[18:26:21] <tomww> so, your menu.lst doe start the first entry, and this has not yet a -B console=ttya
[18:26:42] 
[18:27:12] <axisys> tomww: ok.. let me try that
[18:27:18] <postwait> Is there a list of all the user group locations on the opensolaris site?  I can't find it.
[18:27:27] <catena> Jul 31 21:49:02 bluewhirl nfs4cbd[243]: [ID 867284 daemon.notice] nfsv4 cannot determine local hostname binding for transport tcp6 - delegations will not be available on this transport
[18:27:31] <axisys> tomww: should I disable the BIOS console redirect then?
[18:27:44] <tomww> axisys: not necessarily
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[18:28:47] <alanc> postwait: look under the advocacy community
[18:28:52] <axisys> tomww: here is the latest.. getting ready to reboot http://rafb.net/p/XgofDu96.html
[18:29:05] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/
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[18:29:42] <tomww> axisys: try adding the console to the kernel line: kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot
[18:29:47] <tomww> kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot -B console=ttya
[18:30:11] <axisys> tomww: it is there on the last paragraph
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[18:31:11] <tomww> axisys: note: if you tell grub to boot the first entry, the is will :-)
[18:31:40] <tomww> if you want the third in the row, then please set default 2
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[18:34:09] <axisys> i saw the grub decalration .. but never saw the menu.. i wanted to pick the menu instead of making it default.. well let me try to make default 2
[18:34:24] <tomww> :-)
[18:37:18] <axisys> I see GRUB Loading stage2.. but seen the menu.. i seems hanging .. i will wait
[18:38:03] <axisys> never seen the menu that is
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[18:42:49] <axisys> anyway to overwrite grub menu.. i have no cdrom
[18:43:01] <axisys> i have the java gui
[18:44:00] <tomww> probably switching off the BIOS serial mode helps in this case
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[18:46:47] <axisys> tomww: let me try that
[18:48:37] <axisys> tomww: did not help.. is there a way to overwrite grub.. i have a usb drive
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[18:52:48] <tomww> axisys: if you have a cdrom in your workstation you could use that over IP and boot from there
[18:53:12] <axisys> tomww: i do have cdrom.. yes..
[18:53:36] <tomww> but, why are your old OS entries do not booting? except the bootarchive nothing should prevent this (assumed that they have been okay before)
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[18:54:14] <tomww> with the java console you can export your local cdrom to the far serviceprocessor, which make a virual cdrom from that
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[18:54:39] <axisys> tomww: default 2 ..
[18:54:50] <axisys> tomww: default 0 worked fine :-)
[18:54:55] <tomww> a ok.
[18:55:10] <axisys> i can change .. because i do not see the menu
[18:55:13] <axisys> can't
[18:55:14] <tomww> note: i have to leave i a fre minutes...
[18:55:21] <tomww> does the OS come up itself?
[18:55:42] <axisys> tomww: it would if default were set to 0
[18:55:43] <axisys> yes
[18:55:46] <WickedWicky> on the blank menu try to press the "up" key twice, then hit enter
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[18:56:02] <axisys> WickedWicky: i did try .. let me try again
[18:56:14] <WickedWicky> I have to edit grub lines/menus blind by hand almost every day since those wonderfull cyclades almost never work
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[18:59:47] <axisys> WickedWicky: did not help.. man I guess I need to point to a jumpstart server
[19:00:13] <WickedWicky> try this
[19:00:36] <WickedWicky> boot the server, on the moment you're expecting the grub menu type:
[19:00:40] <WickedWicky> e
[19:00:44] <WickedWicky> press down
[19:00:45] <WickedWicky> press e
[19:00:55] <WickedWicky> press right key arrow for 10 seconds
[19:00:58] <WickedWicky> type space
[19:01:04] <WickedWicky> type console=tty1
[19:01:07] <WickedWicky> hit enter
[19:01:09] <WickedWicky> press b
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[19:02:12] <WickedWicky> if that doesnt help you might try to make grub crash by booting up, and when you expect the grub menu type:
[19:02:16] <WickedWicky> c
[19:02:22] <WickedWicky> kernel /nonexistingfile
[19:02:51] <WickedWicky> if you're lucky it dumps you in the serial console enabled grub bash
[19:05:22] <axisys> did not help .. i tried all those.
[19:05:29] <axisys> trying java gui
[19:05:39] <axisys> but the java menu is blank
[19:05:50] <axisys> i used the same java menu to install the OS
[19:05:52] <axisys> hmm
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[19:38:21] <emergo> can I somehow run vmware on opensolaris ? I need to run a windows2000server on it. are there any options beside vmware ?
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[19:39:38] <sickness> emergo: qemu or XEN+HVM
[19:40:03] <sickness> emergo: as long as emc doesn't port vmware to run under a solaris HOST, I don't see any other way to use vmware...
[19:41:03] <BatonT> why not run vmware ESX  with both win2k and solaris guests?
[19:41:23] <sickness> imho, ESX=linux, so not really an option...
[19:41:42] <quasi> esx=expensive
[19:42:10] <BatonT> quasi: yeah almost be cheaper to buy a 2nd server than an esx licence
[19:42:55] <quasi> BatonT: probably
[19:42:59] <emergo> BatonT: yes
[19:43:07] <trochej> Ahh, what a pity you don't know polish. I just found a page with most hilarous polish translations of books. I just can't stop laughing
[19:43:45] <emergo> sickness: qemu is same as vmware ?
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[19:44:17] <Stric> emergo: doing similar stuff, but differently
[19:44:59] <emergo> Stric: ok, and this is free ? easy to install or ?
[19:45:16] <sickness> emergo: nope, way behind, unfortunately, but opensource
[19:45:21] <trochej> and free
[19:45:24] <trochej> of course
[19:45:34] <emergo> sickness: isnt xen+hvm almost same as qemu ?
[19:45:42] <sickness> yeah it's free and imho easy to install (at least there are packages for a lot of oses )
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[19:46:01] <sickness> emergo: nope, it's supposed to be better and faster, and more scalable also...
[19:47:18] <emergo> I'll look at both and maybe come back to ask later
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[19:49:18] <axisys> i got my OS back.. thanx to jumpstart with shell options
[19:49:45] <axisys> anyway.. back to same console issue.. but let me take a lunch brk for now.. heh
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[20:02:14] <WickedWicky> what's the alternative for top on opensolaris?
[20:02:20] <Stric> prstat
[20:02:22] <Stric> or top
[20:02:27] <WickedWicky> orth
[20:02:29] <WickedWicky> prtstat
[20:02:34] <WickedWicky> that's the one I was looking for
[20:02:35] <WickedWicky> thanks
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[20:34:41] <elektronkind> On Tuesday, August 7, Sun will introduce the world's fastest microprocessor, code named Niagara 2. This new microprocessor continues to demonstrate Sun's tradition of innovation and breakthrough performance.
[20:35:08] <DerJoern> wow
[20:35:32] <elektronkind> a bit earlier than I expected. very cool
[20:36:00] <elektronkind> I only hope that the annoucnement coincides with actual product, or at least a near-term product.
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[20:45:05] <axisys> anyone here used X2100 M2.. i see few behaviors that I like to ask about
[20:46:35] <axisys> one is ifconfig -a plumb does not plumb nge0
[20:46:47] <axisys> it does only nge1,bge0 and bge1
[20:47:16] <axisys> i have two netmgmt port and two ethernet ports.. how did it get 3 network interface?
[20:47:43] <axisys> very strange .. dont u think?
[20:48:55] * dunc didn't know u could plumb with -a
[20:49:07] <dunc> coz they don't show up in ifconfig -a until you've plumbed em do they?
[20:49:12] <axisys> this is what I see for nge0
[20:49:14] <axisys> Jul 31 10:48:19 dms2 nge: [ID 801725 kern.warning] WARNING: nge0: nge_attach: nge_chip_reset() failed
[20:49:33] <axisys> dunc: ifconfig -a plumb does it for all
[20:49:56] <dunc> but if u just ifconfig -a
[20:50:18] <dunc> then u only see already plumbed ones iirc, so i would never have guessed u could plum everything like that
[20:50:27] <dunc> i'll remember for future if it's true though :)
[20:50:30] <axisys> yes it does
[20:50:42] <dunc> isn't nge driver quite sketchy?
[20:50:52] <dunc> i have a box with an nge, and i never made it work
[20:50:59] <dunc> put an intel card in instead
[20:51:15] <dunc> (i put an intel card in instead i mean)
[20:51:45] <axisys> i have bge0/bge1/nge1 .. how come I get three interfaces.. when I have two ethernet ports
[20:51:55] <axisys> and two management ports..
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[20:52:49] <dunc> no idea
[20:53:23] <dunc> i don't think i've ever used stuff with things like management ports
[20:53:52] <dunc> most of my experience with sun kit is quite old skool
[20:54:04] <axisys> i just double checked.. it considers all ports (netmgmt and ethernet) and network interfaces
[20:58:14] <axisys> so two broadcom ports (mgmt) and two nvidia ports (network) = 4 network ports per ifconfig -a
[20:58:28] <axisys> except nge0 fails to plumb
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[21:00:30] <CIA-26> praks: PSARC/2007/027 File Events Notification API, 6367770 RFE: add userland interface to fem (file event monitoring)
[21:01:55] <axisys> what I don't understand also that same bge1 is acting as netmgmt port with different IP
[21:02:21] <axisys> so I have two IP asigned to bge1 (net mgmt) and one IP get you to the console and the other one to OS
[21:02:26] <axisys> how is that possible
[21:02:27] <axisys> ?
[21:02:47] <axisys> from OS you see only one IP to bge1
[21:03:17] <sommerfeld> the service processor is a separate embedded system that's wiretapping bge1
[21:03:22] <axisys> and when you connect to netmgmt thru webui or ssh u use another IP.. and no OS does not show any virtual interface
[21:04:32] <axisys> sommerfeld: i knew it is separate OS.. as a matter of it is linux w. 2.4 kernel .. but never know you could have two IPs on same interface.. without disclosing the second IP on solaris OS
[21:05:34] <richlowe> the evils of ipmi
[21:05:41] <axisys> sommerfeld: how about nge0? I am getting this warning nge0: nge_attach: nge_chip_reset() failed
[21:05:46] <axisys> richlowe: heh
[21:06:02] <axisys> i could not plumb nge0 for the love of god
[21:06:14] <sommerfeld> axisys: i haven't commented because I don't have an X2100 M2 to play with
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[21:06:34] <axisys> sommerfeld: understood
[21:07:18] <dunc> interesting nick AbsintheSyringe2 :)
[21:09:52] <sommerfeld> axisys: found something in our lab machine reservation tool which claims to be an X2100M2
[21:10:20] <sommerfeld> "ifconfig nge0 plumb" succeeds but reports link down (I suspect it's not plugged in)
[21:10:40] <sommerfeld> (machine is in a lab in southern california, and .. i'm not)
[21:11:21] <sommerfeld> it's running snv_66
[21:11:41] <axisys> sommerfeld: may be I need to install the recoommeded cluster patch first then
[21:11:44] <quasi> nge0 is the 3rd interface
[21:11:59] <axisys> I just instlled the OS (sol 10 u3) from jumpstart image
[21:12:15] <emergo> can anyone give me an xen for dummies get startet ?
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[21:13:29] <axisys> quasi: u mean LAN-3 in this pic http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/Systems/SunFireX2100_M2/component.rear.html ?
[21:13:35] <quasi> emergo: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/docs/ - there's a few to pick from
[21:13:56] <emergo> quasi: ill look, ty
[21:14:26] <quasi> axisys: the one they call lan-2
[21:14:36] <axisys> ifconfig nge0 plumb
[21:14:37] <axisys> ifconfig: plumb: nge0: Invalid argument
[21:14:41] <quasi> axisys: but then that shows on the picture
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[21:15:16] <quasi> axisys: are you absolutely sure it is an M2 and not one of the original x2100s?
[21:15:26] <tomww> ifconfig -a
[21:15:31] <tomww> ifconfig -a plumb
[21:16:38] <axisys> quasi: 100 percent.. i am sitting right next to it
[21:16:47] <axisys> tomww: tried that
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[21:17:40] <WickedWicky> does this sound like overhead to you? two sysadmins to do production changes tonight from 1am to 7am, two higher-management guys, two team leaders, two implmentation managers, one over-all coordinator
[21:17:53] <emergo>  pkgadd -d SUNW* gives me pkgadd: ERROR: no packages were found in </var/tmp/dstreAAARmaWqm>
[21:18:06] <stevel> emergo: pkgadd -d . SUNW*
[21:18:16] <WickedWicky> ello stevel, all
[21:18:17] <stevel> assuming you're in the directory with the SUNW packages
[21:18:27] <stevel> unless they are in datastream format
[21:18:32] <sommerfeld> WickedWicky: two sysadmins to do the work while the other five play poker?
[21:18:35] <stevel> 'afternoon wicky
[21:18:40] <axisys> quasi: when i plug a network cable on lan-2 I get NOTICE: nge1: link up
[21:18:58] <WickedWicky> sommerfeld: I dunno, I know I am one of the sysadmins working tonight and they better all be able to cope with sarcasm cause I have tons of it
[21:19:07] <axisys> but when I plug it on lan-3 (last interface closest to the vga port) I get no message
[21:19:28] <WickedWicky> axisys: isnt that like, a management port?
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[21:19:42] <quasi> axisys: seems like that's mangled
[21:19:49] <quasi> WickedWicky: nope, those are bge
[21:20:23] <WickedWicky> so why plumb nge0 and not bge0? or am I missing a part?
[21:20:24] <sommerfeld> reminds me of the water main repair I watched near my house a few years back.  backhoe operator to move most of the earth, then two guys with shovels to dig until they hit pipe, then a guy who knows what he's doing to dig around the pipe and then fix it.
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[21:20:31] <axisys> quasi: but ifconfig -a plumb does not bring up four (2 nge and 2 bge) .. but three interface
[21:20:51] <quasi> axisys: right - one set aside for remote mgmt
[21:21:16] <axisys> quasi: nawp.. the remotemanagemt has two ips.. bge1 that is..
[21:21:20] <axisys> quasi: one on OS side
[21:21:30] <Jondice> anyone know what the statis of Polaris is?
[21:21:31] <axisys> quasi: and the same one as net mgmt
[21:21:36] <axisys> quasi: i tested
[21:21:41] <Jondice> just curious if it is still under active development
[21:22:00] <sommerfeld> axisys: there are two possible cases: 1) driver bug or 2) broken hardware.
[21:22:13] <axisys> quasi: when i unplug my net mgmt port.. i loose two connections.. one my webui/ssh to SP and one on OS side
[21:22:51] <axisys> sommerfeld: let me see if the recommended cluster fixes it
[21:23:05] <quasi> axisys: I remember mucking about with it on an x2200 as well, but that was last year, so I don't recall the outcome
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[21:23:24] <axisys> quasi: i think u helped me that time too :P
[21:23:39] <axisys> that was x2100 yes.. and it all worked out at the end
[21:23:40] <quasi> axisys: but looking for nge and bge in /etc/patch_to_inst would be my usual starting point
[21:23:49] <emergo> stevel: pkgadd: ERROR: no packages were found in </export/home/engelsen/Desktop/xen-3.0.4-1-sun.packages>, when I tried your to add . (what u mean unless they are a datastream ? I downloaded som files that end with .pkg
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[21:25:38] <Pietro_S> emergo: pkgadd -d filename_with_pkg_at_the_end
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[21:27:45] * stevel points at pietro_s
[21:27:47] <stevel> what he said :)
[21:28:12] <sommerfeld> pkgadd -d foo.pkg pkgname1 pkgname2 ...
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[21:30:38] <curlyman> after doing a BFU, is it possible to just use the new config files without merging?  I screwed up my zones by trying (in vain) to merge them myself.  :)
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[21:31:18] <cub> what's the command to see the cdrom device name in solaris 9 ?
[21:31:27] <axisys> quasi: path_to_install has both nge 0 and 1
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[21:32:00] <quasi> axisys: so stick a cable in the other interface and try plumb
[21:32:27] <cub> i want to mount it manually but dont' know the device to mount
[21:33:23] <Pietro_S> stevel: it will ask which package you want to install and entering '1' is much easier than to type package name
[21:33:38] <elektronkind> cub: iostat -En might help
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[21:34:46] <WickedWicky> ok
[21:34:50] <WickedWicky> heading to the bus station
[21:34:52] <WickedWicky> bb soon
[21:34:53] <axisys> quasi: tried that now
[21:34:54] <axisys> ifconfig nge0 plumb
[21:34:54] <axisys> ifconfig: plumb: nge0: Invalid argument
[21:34:59] <axisys> so no luch :-(
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[21:35:54] <quasi> try nge1 and 2
[21:36:07] <sommerfeld> quasi: no, it's nge0 and nge1 on this hardware
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[21:37:07] <quasi> sommerfeld: yah, but seeing that nge0 doesn't seem to appear...
[21:37:10] <axisys> quasi: no luck
[21:37:29] <axisys> i am downloading the cluster patch
[21:37:32] <quasi> axisys: good, it would have been odd if it did work ;)
[21:37:50] <axisys> quasi: heh.. liek its not odd enough .. heh
[21:37:51] <sommerfeld> quasi: it does appear.  driver fails to attach
[21:38:10] <sommerfeld> so either chip is busted or driver is busted
[21:38:20] <cub> thanks elektronkind
[21:38:30] <axisys> WARNING: nge0: nge_attach: nge_chip_reset() failed
[21:38:43] <quasi> my money would be on the driver
[21:39:06] <quasi> silly idea - boot with the cable plugged in to that if
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[21:39:26] <quasi> or run devfsadm -Cv to clear any leftovers
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[21:41:04] <axisys> i will try that as soon the cluster patch download completes
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[21:41:54] <axisys> 122530-05 patch I have
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[21:42:07] <emergo> Pietro_S: cant I do pkgadd -d SUNW* ?
[21:42:08] <axisys> that is for nge
[21:42:53] <axisys> accodin to this there is bug which will be fixed on sol10u4
[21:42:56] <axisys> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=127258
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[21:44:02] <axisys> I will try this
[21:44:04] <axisys> However a hard power off, with the power physically removed from the server, the two interfaces will come back and work just fine.
[21:44:13] <axisys> as suggested here http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/networking-discuss/2007-March/014663.html
[21:44:23] <axisys> that would be a sucky workaround
[21:45:14] <axisys> devfsadm -Cv did not help
[21:45:38] <axisys> I am going to boot as u suggested.. a cable is connected to it
[21:45:45] <axisys> quasi: that was to u
[21:45:52] <Pietro_S> emergo: depend on what contain your dir, but it's bad because after -d device or file is expected and then package names (they don't have pkg at the end) so until you will have really special directory it won't work
[21:46:40] <quasi> axisys: This bug has been fixed in snv_61. And this has not been backport`ed to s10u4 for I got no strong business request.
[21:46:59] <quasi> axisys: from the last mail in that list
[21:47:03] <axisys> shit
[21:47:10] <quasi> thread, not list
[21:47:15] <axisys> quasi: yep
[21:47:32] <axisys> quasi: lets hope the boot or the cluster patch fixes it..
[21:48:06] <axisys> quasi: well there is also a upgraded patch 122530-06
[21:48:19] <axisys> may be I should apply that after reboot completes
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[21:48:57] <quasi> axisys: actually it looks a bit like what bit me on my cheapo nge - I just switched to nfo
[21:49:18] <axisys> nfo?!
[21:49:42] <quasi> google for nfo and solaris - it has a free driver for nge
[21:50:06] <jmcp> nfo is here:  http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/index.html
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[22:00:13] <esproul> hi all, i've just installed a new PCI I/O board in an e4500, and wondering how to determine what its dev path would be in openboot
[22:00:23] <CIA-26> praks: 6367770 RFE: add userland interface to fem (file event monitoring) (fix cstyle)
[22:00:44] <esproul> want to verify that it's detected (and possibly net-boot off an attached ce card if that'll work)
[22:01:11] <Stric> esproul: you don't need to verify it.. they don't work.. send it over to me instead.. *ducks*
[22:01:23] <esproul> lol
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[22:01:25] <jmcp> esproul: show-devs iirc
[22:01:28] <axisys> quasi: awesome! so you guys dont use nge driver anymore?
[22:01:40] <esproul> i know show-devs but i don't know what i'm looking for
[22:01:57] <esproul> the new card is in slot 6, which was previously not occupied
[22:02:00] <jmcp> axisys: if it's a pci io board, you should see some /pci@.... device paths listed
[22:02:33] <jmcp> sorry, esproul
[22:02:50] * esproul slaps forehead
[22:03:36] <esproul> i see pci devs.  since i don't see something like "SUNW,ce" i take it that means i can't net-boot off the card that's on that board
[22:03:46] <esproul> what i do see:
[22:04:20] <esproul> "/pci@c,2000/network@2
[22:04:32] <esproul> "/pci@c,4000/SUNW,hme@1,1"
[22:04:39] <esproul> "/pci@c,4000/pci108e,1000@1"
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[22:05:01] <esproul> pci108e,1000 should be the ce card
[22:05:42] <jmcp> I don't think it is
[22:05:55] <jmcp> pci108e,1000 is the ebus instance.
[22:06:04] <jmcp> you could boot off the builtin hme nic though
[22:06:10] <jmcp> also try    watch-net-all
[22:06:21] <jmcp> there might be a show-nets too
[22:06:26] <axisys> quasi: which one did u use? nfo 1.1.2 or nfo 2.4.3
[22:06:32] <esproul> there isn't... this is obp 3.2
[22:08:30] <esproul> i *think* it's /pci@c,2000/network@2, because when i try to boot it, i see it pull up the link
[22:08:43] <esproul> however: /pci@c,2000/network@2: RX Overflow
[22:08:52] <esproul> and it's not getting rarp
[22:11:25] <jmcp> ::(
[22:11:32] <jmcp> are you up to date on your obp?
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[22:12:46] <esproul> surely not.
[22:13:18] <esproul> this system is about 200 miles away.  i've never upgraded obp before.
[22:13:31] <Stric> So what could possibly go wrong? :)
[22:13:44] <elektronkind> upgrading OBP on SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise is simple
[22:14:47] <elektronkind> one thing that may be happening that the system controller board in that 4500 is at a different OBP rev than the SBUS IO board that you have your card in
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[22:15:23] <elektronkind> that sort of thing can happen, especially if the 4500 had boards replaced or came from canibalized partds
[22:15:55] <esproul> yeah we bought the I/O board from a reseller.  they're good people, but they didn't ask about our OBP version
[22:16:33] <elektronkind> resellers dont tend to pay attention to that level of detail :)
[22:17:12] <elektronkind> anyhow, the OBP update will ensure all boards - IO, CPU/memory, and system controller - have the same rev.
[22:17:15] <esproul> so... how do i find out what the latest supported OBP is?  this system now has all 8 slots filled.  ;)
[22:17:34] <esproul> does that mean i have to update OBP on every board?
[22:17:35] <elektronkind> why, a simple trip over to sunsolve, of course :)
[22:17:48] <elektronkind> esproul: no, the updater does it all for you
[22:17:59] <sommerfeld> esproul: updater walks through all the boards and whacks them into shape
[22:18:02] <esproul> i'm looking at the E4500 docs list-- don't see anything specific to openboot
[22:18:09] <esproul> good to know
[22:18:28] * esproul slap
[22:18:33] <esproul> there it is
[22:18:43] <esproul> flash PROM programming guide
[22:18:46] <elektronkind> 103346-30
[22:18:51] <elektronkind> that's the patch you're looking for
[22:19:00] <sommerfeld> beat me to it
[22:19:00] <esproul> cool
[22:19:02] <elektronkind> updates to 3.2.30
[22:19:09] <esproul> grrr... 404 from sunsolve
[22:19:17] <elektronkind> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=103346&toDocument=yes
[22:19:24] <elektronkind> erm
[22:19:29] <elektronkind> tinyurl http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=103346&toDocument=yes
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[22:19:46] <esproul> elektronkind: thanks, got it
[22:19:51] <elektronkind> tinyurl http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=103346&toDocument=yes
[22:19:52] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2j3qd7
[22:19:55] <elektronkind> there we go
[22:20:08] <elektronkind> cmn_err died while I was on vacation, apparently
[22:20:08] <cmn_err> elektronkind: what?
[22:20:17] <elektronkind> cmn_err: nothing.
[22:20:18] <cmn_err> elektronkind: excuse me?
[22:20:27] <elektronkind> botsnack
[22:20:27] <cmn_err> thanks elektronkind :)
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[22:21:21] <esproul> elektronkind: if i'm able to see the devices on the board, does that mean the OBP versions are compatible enough, or must they match?
[22:21:41] <elektronkind> they don't /have/ to match, but it's generally a Good Thing when they do.
[22:22:06] <esproul> and anyway, i don't have an OS yet, so i probably can't apply this patch until i do.  ;-P
[22:22:15] <elektronkind> at least, I've never run into problem with mismatches, but I don't believe I've ever had boards which were grossly out of sync
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[22:23:28] <sommerfeld> esproul: the system picks one (usually whatever's on the first board) and runs with it, IIRC
[22:24:03] <elektronkind> if you already have 3.2.30 on one of the boards, I do think there's a way to copy it from one board to another from the ok prompt
[22:24:14] * esproul shudders
[22:24:23] <elektronkind> try a 'sifting copy' command and see what pops up.
[22:24:45] <esproul> spew that i don't understand...  :)
[22:26:24] <sommerfeld> "sifting" is an OBP command
[22:26:43] <sommerfeld> grep for forth
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[22:31:08] <esproul> i realized one of its other hme interfaces was still plugged in, so i'm able to jumpstart from that
[22:32:57] <esproul> it's a little worse since i was hoping to be able to jump from a GbE nic, but i'm in business now.  thanks all.
[22:33:12] <elektronkind> no problem. hope you get the card sorted.
[22:33:21] <esproul> i'll apply that patch post-install
[22:34:27] <emergo> Im trying to set up windows2000 server in xen, but I cant seem to find the xm command
[22:35:09] <quasi> axisys: 2.4.3 - livin on the edge ;)
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[22:36:28] <sommerfeld> esproul: so, chances are that anything as slow as an E4500 wouldn't benefit much from jumpstarting frmo a GbE
[22:36:51] <esproul> sommerfeld-- point taken.  :)
[22:37:55] <Stric> it will still spend a whole lot of time rewriting /var/sadm/install/contents over and over again
[22:38:01] * elektronkind wonders where his Contributor Agreement application ended up
[22:39:01] <quasi> elektronkind: in /dev/null where all the important documents are kept?
[22:39:10] <elektronkind> seems like it is
[22:39:20] <elektronkind> faxed in on 7/18 and no word back
[22:39:27] <elektronkind> I got a putback pending on it
[22:45:57] <Pietro_S> elektronkind: send it once more, I got responce also on secont try ;-)
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[23:26:21] <nachox> evening
[23:26:57] <elektronkind> good evening, unknown nacho
[23:27:08] <stevel> elektronkind: msg me your realname and i'll look into it
[23:27:09] <cmn_err> Sorry, I've never seen me before.
[23:27:28] <stevel> along with when you faxed it in
[23:27:29] <elektronkind> Dale Ghent
[23:27:38] <elektronkind> 7/18/2007 :)
[23:27:51] * elektronkind missed his /msg macro key
[23:27:59] <stevel> heh
[23:28:04] <elektronkind> not like my name is a big secret or anything
[23:28:05] <elektronkind> :)
[23:28:11] <nachox> can anyone kill that bot?
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[23:28:42] <nachox> thanks :P its quite annoying
[23:28:43] <stevel> i don't see it in the list of received SCAs, i'll ping the PM and find out if she has it somewhere
[23:28:50] <stevel> since i'm also waiting for someone else's SCA to be received
[23:28:50] <sommerfeld> d'oh
[23:28:52] <elektronkind> cool, thanks
[23:29:20] <elektronkind> maybe the PM was on vacation last week or something. I can try a re-fax
[23:30:19] <stevel> fax it to me as well and i'll hand deliver it
[23:30:22] <stevel> lemme go find our fax #
[23:30:33] <elektronkind> oh sweet. excellent.
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[23:31:25] <elektronkind> Ken Davis is my sponsor for 6477748, and he's on the hunt for it, too.
[23:31:54] <elektronkind> it's a silly little patch, but I have more in the queue
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[23:53:12] <migi> how to create dvd iso from set of files? (nautilus-cd-burner is not working for me)
[23:53:35] <jmcp> use growisofs
[23:53:55] <migi> jmcp, will look thx
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