[00:06:50] * g4lt-mordant pummels trochej for using a bash rootshell
[00:08:54] <trochej> g4lt-mordant: What, you want me to use sh?
[00:09:02] <trochej> What am I, a masochist?
[00:09:27] <g4lt-mordant> for rootshell, yes.  with RBAC, you shouldn't even really need to be logged in as root
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[00:09:55] <trochej> g4lt-U60: Old habits and so on
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[00:10:47] <nachox> hehe
[00:11:42] <g4lt-U60> I only use root anymore because of the fact I'm too lazy to setenv PATH right
[00:15:46] <trochej> God, it's after midnight here
[00:16:02] <nemesis> it's 8am here
[00:16:02] <trochej> I'm gonna hit the bed
[00:16:05] <trochej> 'night
[00:17:07] <kito> there should be a nice doc on osol.o for people coming from other OS
[00:17:17] <kito> that explains things like RBAC in a quickstart fashion
[00:17:33] <kito> probably get a lot more people scared away when they login as root or expect sudo
[00:17:46] <kito> s/a lot more/lot less/
[00:18:05] <nemesis> solaris is just antoher unix
[00:18:14] <nemesis> when you've learnt 2/3 other unixs it's easy
[00:18:18] <kito> not all unix has RBAC
[00:18:45] <nemesis> there's bits and pieces you have to learn
[00:18:51] <nemesis> but mostly it's pretty easy
[00:18:54] <g4lt-U60> nemesis, really, so explain how somebody migrating from BOSS/VX is going to handle smf?
[00:19:30] <nemesis> g4lt-U60: I was talking abotu the general handling of the OS
[00:20:05] <nachox> they have the documentation community
[00:20:23] <nachox> which in turn is in charge of some manuals at docs.sun.com
[00:20:25] <nemesis> anyway, time for my morning coffee
[00:20:26] <kito> well, I hear such mixed opinions coming from this community, seems there are all the people saying they want more users and larger developer base, then on the other hand people don't really seemed concerned with getting new people, becuase new people only have 'wrong' habits
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[00:20:42] <kito> which is probably true
[00:20:58] <kito> but everyone I know who tries solaris/opensoalris, has the exact same culture shock
[00:21:13] <kito> *shrug*
[00:22:02] <_mary_kate_> for some reason, people coming from linux and asking "how do i do <linux thing> in solaris?" often get snarky answers about how "solaris isn't linux"
[00:22:20] <nachox> i had 0 experience with solaris and have  been a slackware user for years and you dont hear me complaining do you? you only need to read the documentation and using the os, the same was true when i started using linux
[00:22:44] <g4lt-U60> well, TBH, I think that as far as documentation, solaris still excels head and shoulders above all others, I just wish that people would read ESR's smart questions rant before asking
[00:22:57] <trochej> Back in the good old days of teletype machines, all you had to do, was read te man pages :)
[00:23:33] <nachox> ESR's rant is a nightmare and full of bad advises
[00:23:37] <kito> fair enough, s/*/RTFM/g
[00:24:26] <kito> And I'm really not whining, I have no problem RTFM, I'm just erlaying observations
[00:24:37] <kito> relaying too
[00:24:38] <g4lt-U60> nachox, well, he does have some valid points, like you'll get no help by asking "who here has used zfs?"
[00:25:28] <nachox> g4lt-U60, a few valid point burried deep in a document trating newbies like crap
[00:25:54] <g4lt-U60> now if you ask "I'm having an issue mounting my zpool", I can give some oudtaed information, but be useful.  I won't answer a metaquestion, even though I do use it
[00:26:20] <nachox> i'd kick ESR in the .... if i ever saw him recommending that document in person
[00:26:51] <trochej> Well, he'd reccomend it, if he wrote it
[00:27:22] <kito> Theres a big difference between the 'whos used zfs' type question, and 'I'm new to solaris, I am used to using sudo for administration tasks, what should I do?'
[00:27:54] <g4lt-U60> right, and my advice is "don't use sudo, use RBAC"
[00:27:57] <kito> I'm not sure RTFM helps in that scenario, when YOU wouldn't even know which man to read
[00:28:06] <nachox> kito, the refere to different parts to start with :P
[00:28:08] <kito> s/YOU/you/
[00:28:09] <richlowe> all of them!
[00:28:10] <trochej> kito: And there should be a big, red, blinking link at opensolaris.org home page to QUESTIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO ASK
[00:28:13] <trochej> NEVEr
[00:28:25] <trochej> And there should be:
[00:28:25] <_mary_kate_> why isn't solaris more like linux?
[00:28:32] <trochej> NEver ask: Who used ZFS here?
[00:28:36] * g4lt-U60 hands _mary_kate_ a cigar
[00:28:45] <trochej> _mary_kate_: A good question to put there
[00:28:46] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: the bigger question is why are the answers snarky? (unless the question demands one)
[00:28:49] <nachox> _mary_kate_, that would start a war, yes :P
[00:28:52] <richlowe> I mean, if the opportunity is too good to pass up...
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[00:29:07] <nemesis> yeah solaris is kinda like linux
[00:29:22] <nemesis> and i only just started with it :P
[00:29:34] <nemesis> but I understand the internal workings is different
[00:29:45] <g4lt-U60> richlowe, why are the answers snarky?  because WE are humans too, and get tired of answering the same questions because the user doesn't think before asking
[00:29:57] <nemesis> hehe
[00:30:04] <richlowe> g4lt-U60: Yeah, but if you give them the right answer, they only ask once.
[00:30:05] <nemesis> the same in the linux channels g4lt-U60
[00:30:07] <richlowe> so it's better that way, too.
[00:30:22] <kito> g4lt-U60 so the afforementioned 'newbie solaris quickstart guide' would be a nice place to start
[00:30:46] <richlowe> as far as which man page for rbac (I guess), rbac(5), and especially the larger manual referenced in there.
[00:31:04] <nachox> g4lt-U60, if you're tired of answering the same question over and over again the best thing you can do is not answering at all, that leaves room for new users to answer, which will probably help with their morale
[00:31:05] <g4lt-U60> kito, write it and it'll go right next to jamesd's never too far from home blog entry as my most linked-to page
[00:31:29] <richlowe> Also, I think the docs folks were trying to come up with such a document.
[00:31:32] <trochej> I once run a videostore. I had printed movie reviews and shorts in numerous copies, so that people could choose what they wanted. Still, everyone aignored big, red books of printed papers, because everyone just HAD to ask me, what the movie was about.
[00:31:46] <trochej> The same with Manuals and operating systems
[00:32:11] <richlowe> the thing is, there's few frequently asked things, they're just asked often.
[00:32:15] <richlowe> (like the /home thing)
[00:32:20] <trochej> People don't like to read manuals. They like to ask other people. Even if questions are simply stupid
[00:32:31] <nemesis> yep
[00:32:35] <richlowe> which confuses each and every person, because they hit it before they're in a position to read the manual that explains it (which is also not so easy to find)
[00:32:45] <nemesis> "omg, how do I hack hotmail" is another example
[00:33:44] <kito> /home, the root shell, sudo, all the possible PATHs(ucb,ccs,sfw,openwin etc etc)
[00:33:57] <kito> out of 10 people, they all said the same thing
[00:33:58] <trochej> nemesis: Nah, more often: My girlfriend just forgot her password to her jabber account and I don't really want to snoop one her
[00:34:07] <nemesis> :P
[00:34:20] <nemesis> people know I'm good with that kinda thing
[00:34:23] <nemesis> so they ask me all the time
[00:34:26] <trochej> kito: "Holy shit"? :)
[00:34:32] <nachox> very polite :P
[00:34:48] <kito> trochej s/Holy//, yeah
[00:34:50] <richlowe> You're never going to get questions about root's shell answered in a FAQ.
[00:34:53] <richlowe> people will just argue about the answer.
[00:34:58] * richlowe points at g4lt ;)
[00:35:17] <nachox> hehe
[00:35:21] <_mary_kate_> i change root's shell to bash because it annoys loud people in irc
[00:35:22] <_mary_kate_> ;-)
[00:35:23] <trochej> richlowe: So use the answer that g4lt-U60 gave to me: Don't use rootshell: use RBAC :)
[00:35:26] <kito> I guess thats why nexenta exists
[00:35:29] <trochej> _mary_kate_: :)
[00:35:41] <kito> _mary_kate_ haha
[00:35:45] <nemesis> bash is easy to use
[00:35:50] <cmn_err> <VIVI> Xbox already has the following games:
[00:35:51] <cmn_err> <VIVI> Microsoft Word
[00:35:52] <cmn_err> <VIVI> Microsoft Excel
[00:35:54] <cmn_err> <VIVI> Solitaire
[00:35:56] <nemesis> lol
[00:36:01] <trochej> :)
[00:36:04] <nachox> trochej, of course the next question is what the hell is RBAC
[00:36:13] <tomww> cmn_err: are you crazy?
[00:36:15] <cmn_err> i haven't a clue, tomww
[00:36:21] <trochej> nachox: And the answer would be: RTFM, you noob
[00:36:29] <trochej> :)
[00:36:30] <nemesis> hehe
[00:36:34] <nachox> trochej, that would scare the user away
[00:36:51] <trochej> but I think that what kito said is true, a link to such a guide would be really cool
[00:36:52] <kito> I should have read the indiana ML list before even saying anything
[00:37:05] <kito> I would have seen theres a month long flamewar over pretty much the same shit
[00:37:05] <trochej> kito: I just stopped  :)
[00:37:19] <nachox> trochej, you only a little explanation and the url to the manual at docs.sun.com
[00:37:26] <trochej> iMax: They rediscovered LKML all right :)
[00:37:34] <nachox> s/only/only need/
[00:37:37] <trochej> pfft
[00:37:44] <trochej> s/imax/kito/
[00:37:52] <trochej> nachox: Too big
[00:37:53] <kito> its not far from it
[00:37:58] <trochej> Theese docs are good for real men
[00:37:59] <kito> bunch of handwaving
[00:38:18] <nachox> you'd be surprised
[00:38:21] <trochej> kito: In that regard Indiana is very much linux-like :)
[00:38:24] <nemesis> well I'm off to work
[00:38:30] <kito> trochej hehe, indeed
[00:38:34] <trochej> nachox: I'm not, I translate theese
[00:38:55] <trochej> nachox: And in Poland I was quite active newbe linux supporter
[00:38:59] <trochej> nachox: two pages
[00:39:01] <trochej> It's max
[00:39:14] <trochej> nachox: A book is good for more intermediate users
[00:39:20] <richlowe> trochej: Indiana is way more argument than handwaving.
[00:39:29] <trochej> nachox: Newbie is just too lost,
[00:39:59] <nachox> trochej, that is where questions get more to the point in general
[00:40:05] <trochej> richlowe: I don't kno, I stopped paying attention when after a week the same thread was in the same point
[00:40:36] <kito> I bet murdock does't get to sit at the cool kids table at lunch
[00:40:36] <nachox> of course there are newbies that will need to be spoonfeed their entire lifes but they eventually get feedup and leave
[00:40:59] <trochej> richlowe: They didn't get anywhere, and - I could bet - if I just jumped in, I' wouldn't be too lost on the topic - they still argue about minimalism vs. maximalism, and Gnome vs Kde and so on
[00:41:44] <richlowe> Oh, yeah, that's just random argument though.
[00:41:49] <trochej> And if GNU userland should replace native solaris one
[00:41:59] <richlowe> I'm not sure anyone actually suggested the latter. :)
[00:42:18] <trochej> richlowe: Oh, I may have exagerrated a little :)
[00:42:38] <trochej> richlowe: But you get the point :)
[00:43:07] <richlowe> Yeah.
[00:43:48] <trochej> But I just switched to Solaris from Linux, because I got fed up with democratic tyrrany, if I can create such a language monster, and because I saw Solaris as a os with a good a dn strong technical lead
[00:44:05] <kito> I just can't help but wonder if such arguments happened internally at sun before opensolaris was born, or if pointless flamewars are just inherent in opensores
[00:44:10] <trochej> And then OKML got reinvented in the form of Indiana-dicsuss
[00:44:15] <trochej> s/OKML/LKML/
[00:44:16] <nachox> lol
[00:44:53] <trochej> You know, that fear that Indiana "ought to be all about community"
[00:44:56] <trochej> And not Sun led
[00:45:13] <trochej> Hey, I see a pretty good OS that grew out of Sun's lead?
[00:45:16] <trochej> So what's wrong with it?
[00:45:32] <kito> trochej its still there
[00:45:42] <kito> you can still use it!
[00:45:46] <trochej> kito: Yeah, I'm being bitter
[00:45:49] <trochej> I shouldn't be
[00:46:26] <g4lt-U60> trochej, indiana isn't SUN's lead, it's IAN MURDOCK's lead.  they day they turn opensolaris into a debian mark 2 is the day I find anothe rOS
[00:46:59] <trochej> I personally don't like the "Reference distro"
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[00:48:07] <trochej> Don't pay attention to me
[00:48:16] <trochej> I'm overreacting
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[01:00:20] <kito> yay.
[01:00:39] <kito> Finally got sxde 64a to boot zfs
[01:00:46] <kito> apparently it didn't like the mirror
[01:01:00] <kito> as soon as I attach a mirror, it panics
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[01:12:01] <kito> hmm, is hot plug of sata drives possible on x86?
[01:12:16] <kito> tried cfgadm and devfsadm but the drives aren't getting populated int he dev tree
[01:13:15] <trochej> kito yes, it is, but os, driver and hdd must support it
[01:13:28] <trochej> kito: I don't really know which chipset support hotplug
[01:13:50] <kito> trochej ok, I know my hardware supports it, I've used it with other OS
[01:15:12] <trochej> kito: So it may work.
[01:15:38] <kito> it may, but its not ;)
[01:16:00] <trochej> kito: Did you kiss it? :)
[01:16:09] <kito> not yet
[01:16:17] <kito> I will offer it a nice dinner and some flowers
[01:17:47] <kito> Ahh, I suspect it requires AHCI support for it to work with my chipset
[01:17:56] <kito> oh well
[01:17:59] <_mary_kate_> i thought AHCI went in recently
[01:18:17] <kito> It doesn't seem to be in sxde 64a
[01:18:21] <trochej> ahci, ahci, you bad girl, make it work, you
[01:18:23] <kito> it won't boot if I enable it
[01:18:43] <kito> but thats cool for future reference
[01:19:16] <trochej> Okay, I'm really going to bed
[01:19:19] <trochej> See ya all
[01:19:26] <kito> trochej cya
[01:19:36] <trochej> richlowe: thank you for a very insightfull convesration
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[01:30:06] <oasnebi> argh. i had the internal network configuration working and now not even that works. i've got elxl0 inet 0.0.0.0 netmask 0. i want inet [dhcp assigned IP] netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 172.16.255.255. how would i make these changes? network-admin is worthless and has failed me repeatedly through even a machine reboot.
[01:31:04] <oasnebi> i've tried svcadm restart physical, but it doesn't get me connected to the intranet (let alone internet :( )
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[01:37:00] <oasnebi> bah, i'm going for a sys-unconfig
[01:42:54] <oasnebi> what's the kvm in /usr/kvm stand for?
[01:43:01] <oasnebi> kernel vm?
[01:43:22] <nemesis> yep
[01:43:27] <nemesis> I assume
[01:43:50] <nemesis> (me doesn't know much about solaris)
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[01:44:21] <Axklor> hi, i've got an Ultra E450 without an IDPROM chip
[01:44:36] <Axklor> http://www.memoryxsun.com/e450idprom.html
[01:44:47] <Axklor> when you look on the description
[01:44:55] <Axklor> "This EPROM is blank and must be programmed.
[01:44:58] <oasnebi> http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=562 -> seems to me that "abiding to standards" == "filling up the directories with random useless junk" like /usr/snadm, etc.
[01:45:04] <Axklor> anyone know whats involved with that?
[01:46:21] <Axklor> it's a Sun manufactured component, would it need to be formatted in a special way or should I just be able to install it and have it be able to be written to?
[01:50:16] <oasnebi> gah, i find this just so infuriating: As for /var I'll only say on Solaris we typically store logs in /var/adm, not /var/log, like Linux, but this is slowly changing. You'll now find logs in both directories.
[01:50:42] <oasnebi> does /var/adm even make sense for logs?
[01:52:37] <Axklor> anyone?
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[02:02:21] <_setuid_H> Hi all
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[02:25:22] <oasnebi> ahh sys-unconfig did the trick :)
[02:25:50] <flyingparchment> what were you trying to do?
[02:25:55] <oasnebi> that thing is a lifesaver. i wish it was available for other operating systems. it's often implemented poorly (windows restore, etc.)
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[02:26:08] <oasnebi> getting my network card to play nice with DHCP
[02:26:13] <oasnebi> i don't know why it didn't work out of the box
[02:26:40] <oasnebi> even DNS works now :)
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[02:27:22] <oasnebi> wunderbar, i can actually use (open)solaris the way it was intended (or at least from what i've read as it was intended to do) - be a part of a large network
[02:27:26] <oasnebi> just got to play around with it more first
[02:27:35] <flyingparchment> autofs!
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[02:31:16] <Axklor> anyone know much about Ultrasparc IDPROM's and replacing them?
[02:32:12] <_setuid_H> sorry
[02:32:23] <_setuid_H> not enought money to buy sparc :-)
[02:32:35] <oasnebi> i changed my system's hostname. what service should i restart to ensure that the system ingests the change?
[02:33:08] <_setuid_H> oasbebi: network maybe
[02:33:17] <oasnebi> not physical?
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[02:34:17] <oasnebi> no good :(
[02:34:55] <spackest> hi all, I have a firewall box and a second box that dhcps to the firewall box and I haven't been able to get the second box to hit the internet through the firewall box, ideas?
[02:35:18] <spackest> I have been using the dhcp management tool, and I can't see any gateway options or the like
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[02:36:22] <_setuid_H> well physical will be better I think
[02:36:24] <_setuid_H> :-)
[02:37:10] <_setuid_H> does anyone have thinkpad with intel hda sound card?
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[02:38:28] <oasnebi> never mind, i just had to log out of CDE
[02:38:42] <_setuid_H> ok
[02:48:27] <_setuid_H> during mplayers ./configure I'm getting following error
[02:48:38] <_setuid_H> Error: Cannot find header either inttypes.h or bitypes.h (see DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html)
[02:48:49] <_setuid_H> does anybody know what to do with it
[02:49:00] <_setuid_H> google doesn't helped me
[02:49:15] <_setuid_H> didn't help me
[02:49:16] <_setuid_H> sorry
[02:49:55] <Gman> have you SUNWhea installed?
[02:50:45] <_setuid_H> wait a minute
[02:51:04] <_setuid_H> yes
[02:51:06] <_setuid_H> 11.11
[02:51:24] <_setuid_H> x87
[02:51:27] <_setuid_H> x86
[02:51:29] <_setuid_H> sorry
[02:55:53] <Gman> and those headers exist in /usr/include ?
[02:56:01] <_setuid_H> mmnt
[02:56:55] <_setuid_H> yes they exists
[02:57:53] <_setuid_H> npo
[02:57:54] <_setuid_H> no
[02:58:00] <_setuid_H> one is missing
[02:58:30] <_setuid_H> bittypes.h
[02:58:31] <_setuid_H> but
[02:58:44] <_setuid_H>  bitypes.h
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[03:02:22] <axisys> so is there a good page on managing users/groups thru ldap.. i have 300 servers and managing users becoming messy everyday
[03:03:25] <jamesd> axisys, directory server is  based on ldap, there are its manual.. happy reading http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/1224.2
[03:04:31] <axisys> jamesd: hmm.. i think openldap is simpler and possibly better
[03:04:41] <axisys> easier to manage
[03:05:23] <jamesd> better documented?  better support availbile?  if  ldap is so perfect why are you here looking for help/documentation?
[03:06:32] <axisys> jamesd: i am looking for recommendation.. while actually reading the url u sent ;-)
[03:15:20] <axisys> man.. how do run updatemanager with X? it sucks if i must need a X
[03:16:30] <axisys> jamesd: i will try out DS .. but i need a patch first.. and pca is failing today.. so smpatch is the other option.. but for that i need to register my computer using updatemanager which must need X.. that is really sucks
[03:18:57] <jamesd> directory server is very complex, i guess once you cross the learning curve it gets easier, but the learning curve is steap, i would recomend a book
[03:20:06] <axisys> jamesd: hmm.. which one?
[03:20:15] <axisys> the link u sent ?
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[03:21:32] <jamesd> something written by a 3rd party...   sun creates lots of documentation that is very through but is not always the best place to start as a beginner
[03:22:10] <axisys> jamesd: let me check out amazon
[03:23:26] <tomww> [6~
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[03:24:10] <axisys> how is opends btw in comparison to sun ds?
[03:24:56] <tomww> possibly "normal" versus "big and scalable" ?
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[03:27:48] <chrisb17> Hello
[03:27:49] <cmn_err> bonjour, chrisb17.
[03:28:08] <chrisb17> French?
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[03:42:20] <axisys> tomww, jamesd is there a admin gui for DS?
[03:43:02] <jamesd> yes.. its a java thing..
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[03:50:10] <sbahra> yo
[03:50:21] <sbahra> Why is the NB_cache_block_commands perfcounter not working?
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[03:50:29] <gnut> hi all
[03:50:45] <gnut> i'm trying to solarify another machine (yes, commodity hardware)... a dell latitude d620
[03:51:00] <spackest> gnut: good luck with that :)
[03:51:25] <gnut> hehe.
[03:51:29] <gnut> i got two dells to use solaris now.
[03:51:36] <spackest> wow, I am impressed
[03:51:40] <gnut> an inspiron 600m and a precision 370
[03:51:49] <gnut> they both have their own peculiar challenges.
[03:51:55] <spackest> I tried switching some commodity hardware over to solaris with no luck
[03:52:04] <gnut> but i can't help that everyone buys dells and i just use what people let me use.
[03:52:28] <gnut> oh... i take that back. i've gotten three dells to use solaris now.
[03:52:33] <spackest> it wouldn't even recognize the cdrom enough to run the hardware diagnostic stuff
[03:52:45] <gnut> working on the fourth.... i'm using pxe to install it over the network
[03:52:56] <gnut> but i'm stuck at the "configuring /dev" line... it just won't get past that.
[03:52:59] <gnut> any ideas?
[03:58:14] <tomww> gnut: if you add to the kernel line a   -v
[03:58:22] <gnut> on a different topic, is there any way to make solaris detect if you have a DHCP connection and use that if it's available, but otherwise use hardcoded values if DHCP is not available?
[03:58:23] <tomww> (in the /tftboot/menu*** file)
[03:58:32] <gnut> tomww: hmm.. let me see where to put that
[03:58:54] <tomww> on the PXE_server the menu.lstsomethingmacaddress ....
[04:00:36] <tomww> wiht the dhcp, you mean at normal usage, when all is installed? if you use a recent SXDE you have "nwam" which is intended to use dhcp/remeber settings. but i don't know it this is already complete
[04:01:06] <tomww> I use "inetmenu" (the old way) to switch between dhcp and fixed configurations.
[04:01:39] <gnut> tomww: hmm... inetmenu? let me look that up (and yes, i was referring to my working laptop with evreything all configured)
[04:01:48] <gnut> tomww: except DHCP that is :)
[04:05:21] <gnut> tomww: I do have a recent build of SXCE. build 69, 68, and 65. I thought nwam was still in the conceptual phase.
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[04:10:28] <Doc> cool.. i found a photo of the original internet data center!   http://static.flickr.com/37/123158595_f8dbe51650_o.jpg
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[04:26:19] <tomww> Doc: it seems to be still in a good shape :)
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[04:26:50] <hile_> how goes, doc?
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[04:41:15] <gnut> hmm... will this work?
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[05:05:37] <gnut> does live upgrade support zfs now?
[05:05:48] <gnut> since we have bootable zfs now?
[05:20:33] <coffman> i read that it works...
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[05:20:34] <coffman> but i dunno
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[05:25:51] <gnut> coffman: i know zfs boot works
[05:25:59] <gnut> and we can do easy mirrors real fast
[05:26:05] <gnut> the question is... how do we upgrade?
[05:26:18] <gnut> since luupgrade ... does that need ufs?
[05:27:12] <gnut> lucreate requires a device for the -m switch
[05:27:22] <gnut> so can we somehow cobble together a poor man's live upgrade to use zfs?
[05:27:52] <gnut> like just do a mirror? then ... how would you upgrade a bootable dataset?
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[05:28:52] <coffman> gnut: i think you dont need lucreate anymore
[05:29:03] <coffman> gnut: zfs clone should do
[05:29:30] <coffman> gnut: you would have to do your own grub entry ofc
[05:30:05] <coffman> gnut: i dunno if you still can only boot from slice based zpools
[05:30:21] <coffman> means disks without efi labels
[05:30:41] <coffman> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_bootable_datasets_happily_rumbling
[05:30:43] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2zu7rz
[05:31:15] <coffman> cmn_err: me was first
[05:31:16] <cmn_err> coffman: huh?
[05:31:38] <coffman> fuck out of my head? :P
[05:32:10] <coffman> cmn_err: and btw, dont use tinyurl unless you realy realy need to
[05:32:11] <cmn_err> coffman: excuse me?
[05:33:17] <coffman> excuse you for what?
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[05:35:35] <gnut> what's wrong with using tinyurl?
[05:35:45] <gnut> they both seem to point to the same page.
[05:35:54] <gnut> i was reading that... which is what got me thinking about all this.
[05:36:16] <gnut> so you do a zfs clone to clone the drive
[05:36:20] <gnut> then how do you upgrade the clone?
[05:36:38] <gnut> say you download the new ISO for the latest and greatest SXCE has to offer....
[05:36:57] <gnut> can you upgrade one of the clones without having to use a CD?
[05:41:05] <gnut> coffman: so if i understand right (and probably i'm very wrong here)... he clones his install then uses BFU to upgrade? then if it doesn't work, he can always roll back?
[05:41:36] <gnut> but it's not upgrading by SXCE builds, so you don't get all the bits
[05:41:46] <gnut> at least not all the bits that come with an SXCE release
[05:42:48] <gnut> the reason I like live upgrade is because it gives me a sort of "fresh" install where all the versions of the packages are in sync, or at least in sync such that they should work according to the releasers.
[05:43:17] <palowoda> Now this is the kind of console I could use: http://www.digitaltigers.com/displays-arena.shtml
[05:47:02] <gnut> wow
[05:48:57] <kito> I'm pretty sure cmn_err is a bot
[05:50:34] <gnut> coffman: hmm... since live upgrade supposedly uses cpio, which is fs-independent... can you do a live upgrade with zfs if you use zfs clone instead of lucreate? how would you name the zfs clone and give it an environment name?
[05:51:32] <coffman> kito: seems so
[05:51:57] <coffman> gnut: what i said, you will not need to lucreate
[05:52:33] <gnut> coffman: sorry :) ... just clarifying because i didn't understand. so how would you name the zfs clone?
[05:52:36] <coffman> nothing wrong with using it, but people like to see where they head if they get a link
[05:53:16] <coffman> gnut: i think you can give the clone the name of your dog, if you like too
[05:54:22] <coffman> gnut: but in theorie it should work out easy, only thing you will miss from lucreate is the grub entry thing
[05:54:43] <gnut> coffman: okay. the grub entry has to be done manually
[05:55:02] <gnut> coffman: so ... i'm still unclear. i would do luupgrade -n my_dogs_name
[05:55:13] <gnut> when i do zfs clone of my root
[05:55:18] <gnut> how do i set the name my_dogs_name
[05:55:27] <gnut> btw, i've never done a zfs clone before
[05:55:35] <gnut> reading man pages as we speak
[05:56:04] <coffman> heh
[05:56:16] <coffman> ill use it constantly for zones
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[06:01:24] <coffman> gnut: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2007-June/028576.html
[06:01:25] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/28rty3
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[06:01:42] <coffman> hmpf
[06:02:05] <coffman> any mod around?
[06:02:16] <coffman> kick the stupid bot
[06:03:23] <coffman> gnut: no lu for you :(
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[06:05:18] <jossh2> how much space does a standard container take up?
[06:06:09] <coffman> jossh2: around 500mb without any extra software
[06:06:14] <delewis> define standard?
[06:06:31] <jossh2> nothing extra, i just do the install commands
[06:06:45] <flyingparchment> it mainly depends on whether the zone is sparse or not
[06:06:50] <coffman> jossh2: small zone, not full zone right?
[06:06:55] <flyingparchment> sparse zones are much smaller because they inherit a lot of stuff from the global zone
[06:06:56] <delewis> a sparse takes consumes roughly 50MB of space.
[06:07:08] <delewis> a zone that doesn't inherit anything can take up as much as 3-4GB.
[06:07:10] <flyingparchment> 50MB sounds too small - for me it took 200-300M or so per zone
[06:07:13] <gnut> coffman: heheh... yeah. no lu for me
[06:07:30] <jossh2> i don't think i'm defining a small zone.. so full zone
[06:07:34] <gnut> coffman: i'm trying to see if i can mount the iso and then run whatever install scripts they have which can do the install _without_ needing live upgrade
[06:07:41] <flyingparchment> jossh2: sparse (small) is the default
[06:07:50] <jossh2> ah
[06:08:01] <jossh2> mmk, thanks :)
[06:09:01] <coffman> gnut: will not work
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[06:09:46] <gnut>  coffman: ah... okay
[06:09:53] <gnut> i guess that saves me the trouble. i could'nt find anything on it.
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[06:10:41] <coffman> gnut: the installer is a big old fat bitch (sorry for that dudes)
[06:12:00] <flyingparchment> hmm, seems like most of the space taken from my sparse zones is patch saze files (/var/sadm/pkg)
[06:12:08] <flyingparchment> seems kinda silly to copy that stuff to zones
[06:14:18] <coffman> flyingparchment: nope, package db
[06:14:25] <flyingparchment> coffman: ?
[06:14:47] <coffman> flyingparchment: database for the package system ?
[06:15:06] <flyingparchment> no, it's mainly save stuff
[06:15:13] <flyingparchment> /var/sadm/pkg/<package>/save/<patch>
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[08:14:10] <trochej> Hm
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[08:27:51] <palowoda> Hmm, opensolaris.org site down again?
[08:27:57] <oasnebi> how do you update opensolaris? i'm running SunOS solaris 5.11 snv_57 i86pc i386 i86pc (as per uname -a)
[08:28:22] <oasnebi> palowoda: it seems down from my end at least
[08:28:51] <palowoda> oasnebi: Try using the update button during the install.  Same menu as the initial install button.
[08:28:58] <jmcp> oasnebi: live upgrade is probably the easiest way
[08:29:10] <jmcp> though you can certainly use the Upgrade install method in the installer
[08:29:41] <palowoda> It's easier if you have a spare partition.
[08:30:02] <oasnebi> wait... you mean i have to reinstall the whole thing to upgrade?
[08:30:21] <palowoda> No. That would be silly wouldn't it.
[08:30:21] <trochej> oasnebi: Quite a shock, isn't it? :)
[08:30:28] <trochej> oasnebi: But no :)
[08:30:39] <oasnebi> what's a live upgrade then?
[08:30:46] <oasnebi> i'm not familiar with that term
[08:32:15] <myrkraverk> oasnebi: afaiu, an upgrade without a shutdown and reboot (I think)
[08:32:42] <flyingparchment> liveupgrade lets you upgrade while the OS is running, to a different partition
[08:32:49] <flyingparchment> then you reboot into the new partition
[08:33:01] <oasnebi> ah, well i don't have another partition as i was not aware of this (i just accepted the defaults)
[08:33:14] <oasnebi> i don't mind rebooting since i'm only playing around with it
[08:34:07] <oasnebi> still, it seems ridiculous that i would require a separate partition to upgrade (maybe, my thinking is non-solaris-conforming, but i'm been used to BSD and GNU/Linux for some time now)
[08:34:20] <flyingparchment> you don't usually upgrade solaris that often
[08:34:23] <oasnebi> i haven't even gotten to playing with ZFS yet! :(
[08:34:28] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: why not?
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[08:34:37] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: because there are only new release every few years
[08:34:44] <flyingparchment> updates come via patches
[08:34:55] <oasnebi> as far as i understand, i'm a full 10 or so versions behind? or is my understanding of the versioning system way off?
[08:34:55] <oxygene> oasnebi: upgrading to a different partition gives you a rescue system in case the upgrade fails (as can happen everywhere)
[08:35:08] <palowoda> There is no patches for opensolaris.
[08:35:19] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: you're using SX, which is not a production release.. so it's a bit more fiddly to use
[08:35:30] <palowoda> no it's not.
[08:35:42] <oasnebi> ..., it's what you people advocate... look at the topic
[08:35:45] <flyingparchment> yes it is.  there are no patches, for example
[08:35:52] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: i didn't say you shouldn't use it
[08:37:32] <oasnebi> maybe i should have downloaded nexenta?
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[08:38:06] <oasnebi> ah, never mind, the wiki article says some stuff i'd rather not have. i want to experience solaris... not ubuntu
[08:38:23] <oasnebi> though the thought of managing it seems interesting
[08:42:25] <oasnebi> this actually makes sense to people? "On Solaris we call 'paritions' slices, and typically slice 2 is used to represent the full disk, just as typically hda with no parition number typically represents the full disk on a Linux system."
[08:42:42] <oasnebi> i can understand the slices bit, but 2 being the full disk is logical... how?
[08:43:08] <palowoda> Becase the number one is lonely?
[08:43:11] <flyingparchment> because unix has done it that way for many many years
[08:43:38] <myrkraverk> so, if I actually use slice 2 for something? I'm screwed?
[08:44:13] <oasnebi> hey, i'm just regurgitating to you all what i've been told is "good information for newbies" as per opensolaris.org's Documentation section
[08:44:26] <oasnebi> i have no idea... i'm obviously a newb, but i would imagine you would be screwed
[08:44:45] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: and the popularity of an error makes it right how?
[08:45:02] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: sorry, not interested in pointless arguments
[08:45:03] <myrkraverk> come to think of it, I think I actually did use slice 2 for something
[08:46:18] <myrkraverk> nope, it went to slice 3
[08:46:19] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: i was reading the opensolaris wikipedia entry and it said the whole project was geared towards those that wanted to make an improved operating system. with conventions like this intact, i fail to see the point of making any further enhancements without fixing such issues. if you consider it a pointless argument, then maybe you are missing the point
[08:47:53] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: i don't care what you think about (open)solaris.  i was trying to help you by answering your question.
[08:49:40] <myrkraverk> where is one supposed to learn these things? like that slice2 is usually the whole disk?
[08:49:41] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: can you at least see where i'm coming from. arbitrarily picking numbers like this is confusing for newbies. answering my question with effectively "that's the way it's always been done" doesn't exactly help.
[08:49:54] <oasnebi> myrkraverk: through opensolaris.org's Documentation section for newbies
[08:50:04] <myrkraverk> hmm, ok
[08:50:06] <palowoda> We should have a floating whole partition that is random. :)
[08:50:09] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: i don't care
[08:50:11] <oasnebi> which at the moment is extremely laggy
[08:50:24] <flyingparchment> i answered your question and you started on me like i was advocating the slaughter of orphans.  whatever.
[08:51:36] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: yes, you technically answered the question. but you transparently gave me something very obviously useless.
[08:52:21] <myrkraverk> is opensolaris.org down?
[08:52:25] <oasnebi> it appears so
[08:53:11] <oasnebi> myrkraverk: but the information linked to was located on: http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=562 and http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=573
[08:53:46] <myrkraverk> thanks
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[08:55:30] <oasnebi> is "trucking" in (open)solaris the same thing as "bridging" in GNU/Linux?
[08:56:01] <flyingparchment> trunking is combining two ethernet links into one logical link, for improved speed or resiliance
[08:56:26] * purserj ponders truckers running OpenSolaris
[08:56:37] <purserj> 10-4 good buddy
[08:56:53] <purserj> then headache gets in the way of pithy remark
[08:57:23] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: ah, thanks. is it officially trunking or trucking? the cuddletech site is riddled with misspellings...
[08:57:34] <flyingparchment> i've never heard it called "trucking"
[08:57:35] <nemesis> flyingparchment: by resiliance do you mean redundancy?
[08:57:38] <flyingparchment> usually trunking or bonding
[08:57:39] <flyingparchment> nemesis: yes
[08:58:32] <oasnebi> so the recommended way of handling volume management is officially ZFS or is it still SVM?
[08:58:47] <flyingparchment> either, or vxvm if you like that kind of thing
[08:58:56] <flyingparchment> sun would like you to use zfs (and it's pretty good if it works for you)
[08:59:19] <oasnebi> oh, that's great news
[08:59:28] <oasnebi> SVM seems unnecessarily complicated
[09:00:58] <oasnebi> now to learn about RBAC which i've heard is wonderful (and i've seen it implemented in Windows, but it seems overly complicated)... but i still haven't learned about it enough just by playing with opensolaris
[09:05:46] <oasnebi> does anyone still use uucp?
[09:06:21] <palowoda> Do you?
[09:06:38] <oasnebi> nope
[09:07:03] <oasnebi> i was wondering why the base install of opensolaris came with UUCP
[09:07:15] <oasnebi> i don't think it's all that popular, but then again, i could be wrong
[09:07:20] <palowoda> What are you going to do about it?
[09:09:55] <oasnebi> if i'm bothered by it enough, i might take a few (possibly, if i have the time) scientific polls and submit them to the opensolaris folks responsible for making the DVDs. if the polls are strong enough, maybe UUCP related stuff will get taken out of opensolaris. conversely, i could be wrong and UUCP could be tremendously popular
[09:10:19] <flyingparchment> the people responsibel for the solaris/SX DVDs are sun, not opensolaris
[09:10:24] <flyingparchment> (because its a sun distribution)
[09:10:39] <Trisk[laptop]> terminology nit: "opensolaris" is (currently) not something you install, it's just the basis for SX and other systems
[09:11:24] <e^ipi> despite ian murdock being incompitent, the opensolaris/SX distinction isn't actually that complicated
[09:11:37] <flyingparchment> the uucp solaris ships is also very old, taylor uucp (which most free OSs use) is a fair bit nicer
[09:12:06] <e^ipi> thnk Linux vs. RedHat
[09:12:15] <e^ipi> you don't install linux, you install a linux distro... linux is just code
[09:14:34] <oasnebi> so the correct term is opensolaris distribution then?
[09:14:41] <e^ipi> yep
[09:14:58] <palowoda> No x is a term.
[09:15:20] <oasnebi> phrase? is that the word i'm looking for?
[09:17:06] <oasnebi> hmm, so RBAC is effectively like a lot of groups and users organized to perform specific functions?
[09:17:19] <e^ipi> no
[09:17:58] <e^ipi> RBAC is a bunch of permissions to do things, that you can grant to different users
[09:18:25] <oasnebi> how is it actually implemented on a lower level?
[09:18:34] <e^ipi> and the permissions are very fine grained ( priv_netaddr, for example, lets you open ports < 1024... nothing more, nothing less )
[09:18:39] <oasnebi> users and groups? ACLs?
[09:18:53] <palowoda> all of them.
[09:19:06] <oasnebi> mm, seems neat
[09:19:21] <e^ipi> quite the exact opposite actually
[09:19:31] <oasnebi> oh?
[09:19:45] <e^ipi> RBAC isn't like a collection of users.... users/groups/etc are collections of RBAC privileges
[09:20:12] <e^ipi> the root account isn't a superuser account, it's a collection of privileges granted by default to the ordinary user "root"
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[09:20:38] <e^ipi> you can assign the same privileges to the user "slave" and you would effectively rename the root acount
[09:22:18] <oasnebi> oh, on a completely different note, if i remove the ethernet cable from my solaris box and then put it back in... after say an hour, i should still be able to access network stuff normally right? or do i have to run a few svcadm commands?
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[09:24:29] <palowoda> You can run the commands but why bother.
[09:26:20] <oasnebi> palowoda: because i want to have access to my solaris box after i'm done using the other machine with ethernet?
[09:26:33] <palowoda> Note that it wasn't a question.
[09:27:14] <oasnebi> palowoda: it seemed like a confused statement moreso than any sort of sarcasm
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[09:44:30] <spackest> trying to get solaris routing working, anyone up for helping out?
[09:45:04] <spackest> I can't get my firewall to forward my traffuc
[09:45:09] <spackest> traffic
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[10:38:22] <Fish-> hello
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[10:42:47] <kaiwai> :)
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[11:00:16] <CIA-26> raghuram: 6543601 intrstat is not supported on an LDOM for virtual devices, 6571988 cnex should cache target cpuid for each channel
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[11:24:41] <Waywocket> Is www.gnusolaris.org working for anyone else?
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[11:27:57] <kaiwai> yeap
[11:28:10] <kaiwai> actually no
[11:28:23] <kaiwai> its resolved but doesn't load
[11:30:31] <Waywocket> okay, tanks, just wante to rule out problems wit my currently overloae net connection (btw two of my keys on't work, wic is wy my typing is wonky)
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[12:10:38] <kaiwai> any oscon media to download?
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[12:15:40] <kaiwai> good slide show on Indiana btw
[12:15:55] <kaiwai> just waiting for the foaming of mouths and heads spinning
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[12:18:24] <sickness> why?
[12:19:05] <Gekkko> hey there!
[12:24:28] <kaiwai> sickness: why what? what I last said?
[12:25:35] <kaiwai> hi Gekkko
[12:25:44] <Gekkko> anyone willing to tell me the advantages of OpenSolaris kernel vs Linux kernel?
[12:25:49] <Gekkko> or link me to a good comparison.
[12:26:57] <sickness> kaiwai: yeah, foaming of mouths and heads spinning :)
[12:27:38] <kaiwai> sickness: you were hear for the screaming, whining and gnashing of teeth that maybe the great unwashed masses might start consider using solaris as an atlernative to Windows
[12:27:43] <kaiwai> *weren't
[12:27:54] <sickness> oh
[12:28:11] <kaiwai> perish the thought peoples l33tness might be loss once ordinary folks use solaris
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[12:28:33] <Gekkko> kaiwai: good positive thinking
[12:28:38] <Gekkko> "once ordinary folks use solaris"
[12:29:46] <kaiwai> thank god I haven't attempted to submit anything yet
[12:29:46] <kaiwai> making a case to why it should be included
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[12:31:03] <trochej> Gekkko: In one sentence: OpenSolaris kernel is better. Period.
[12:31:04] <trochej> :)
[12:31:13] <Gekkko> trochej: I know that already
[12:31:19] <Gekkko> but I want to know a few reasons why
[12:31:55] <trochej> Gekkko: I believe that somewhere on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/ there is some document describing differences.
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[12:32:13] <trochej> Gekkko: And even if not, use google, it ough to be able to find this document.
[12:32:14] <Gekkko> kthx
[12:32:25] <trochej> Gekkko: I remember I found it
[12:32:32] <trochej> But can't remember the title now
[12:32:32] <Gekkko> google isn't very good for this
[12:32:33] <Gekkko> lol
[12:32:56] <Gekkko> A Comparison of Solaris, Linux, and FreeBSD Kernels?
[12:33:29] <trochej> Something like that
[12:33:30] <trochej> MAybe
[12:33:39] <trochej> I read it a long time ago
[12:33:40] <Gekkko> that's all i get when i search Linux
[12:33:41] <Gekkko> lol
[12:34:06] <trochej> Gekkko: You lol a lot. Need something to settle you down? :)
[12:34:20] <_setuid_H> well solaris 1 place freebsd, 2 place Free BSD, 3 place Linux, Windows was kicked out for dopping :-)
[12:34:21] <Gekkko> my meds, but an old guy took em
[12:34:24] <Gekkko> ;)
[12:34:29] <_setuid_H> soory
[12:34:36] <_setuid_H> solaris 1 place
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[12:36:15] <Gekkko> what about CDDL vs GPL trochej?
[12:36:36] * g4lt-mordant rings the bell
[12:36:51] <g4lt-mordant> where's e^ipi when you need him
[12:36:59] <trochej> Gekkko: It's too intimate
[12:37:00] <Gekkko> huH?
[12:37:11] <Gekkko> intimate as in?
[12:37:23] <trochej> Gekkko: As in "You want to start a flame
[12:37:23] <trochej> "
[12:37:24] <trochej> ?
[12:37:35] <Gekkko> oh no, that's not what i meant by GPL vs CDDL
[12:37:38] <trochej> Gekkko: I am not a lawyer
[12:37:38] <Gekkko> i meant the differences.
[12:37:50] <Gekkko> not "Which is better"
[12:37:51] <trochej> Gekkko: Go and find yourself a friendly copyright lawyer
[12:37:52] <trochej> :)
[12:37:54] <Gekkko> lol
[12:38:03] <Gekkko> I just want a nice comparison, a basic comparison
[12:38:04] <Gekkko> >_>
[12:38:16] <kaiwai> Gekkko: its a great OS but lacks the marketing
[12:38:30] <trochej> Gekkko: I repeat my answer.
[12:38:46] <trochej> Gekkko: I don't write software, I don't distribute it
[12:38:55] <Gekkko> kaiwai: Linux isn't really marketed, is it?
[12:39:01] <trochej> Gekkko: Ergo: I never bothered to clutter my head with this shit
[12:39:08] <trochej> Gekkko: It is now
[12:39:19] <Gekkko> you mean Ubuntu?
[12:39:23] <trochej> RH, Novell, Canonical, Linspire, Xandros
[12:39:24] <cmn_err> I think we just lost a wing!
[12:39:24] <Gekkko> the Dell - Ubuntu thing?
[12:39:37] <Gekkko> that's Windows' fault
[12:39:44] <Gekkko> Linux was collateral marketing
[12:39:45] <Gekkko> lol
[12:39:52] <kaiwai> Gekkko: it has distributions, it has atleast a couple of noisy, if not charasmatic leaders; there are passionate people who are driven because they love what they do rather than it being just a job
[12:39:54] <trochej> Gekkko: You mean marketing or distributing?
[12:40:05] <Gekkko> marketing.
[12:40:16] <trochej> Gekkko: There are quite a few marketing campaigns for Linux Distros
[12:40:35] <Gekkko> haven't seen any in Australia outside computer magazines
[12:41:03] <trochej> Gekkko: No one said that there were really big compagns
[12:41:30] <trochej> Hey, I just had a thought!
[12:41:45] <trochej> What if Sun sent once a year a post card to every core contributor? :)
[12:42:39] <trochej> ok
[12:42:41] <trochej> Need to go
[12:42:48] <trochej> [d]
[12:52:11] <kaiwai> Gekkko: wait till that Dell/Ubuntu thing comes down, crashing and burning
[12:52:20] <kaiwai> Gekkko: not the first flirtation with Linux
[12:52:43] <Gekkko> Dell has used Linux before.
[12:52:47] <Gekkko> it died in the ass.
[12:52:54] <Gekkko> but this time, I'm not so sure.
[12:53:02] <Gekkko> I don't think it will die, but it certainly wont lift off.
[12:53:07] <Gekkko> it'll hover.
[12:53:21] <kaiwai> I hope that indiana helps raise the bar - maybe get it available as an option for desktops
[12:53:48] <kaiwai> Gekkko: how is it Windows fault?
[12:54:18] <kaiwai> trochej: there was a cute ad by IBM in NZ a while back
[12:54:49] <Gekkko> kaiwai: Windows created the deals
[12:54:52] <Gekkko> the deals made headlines
[12:55:22] <kaiwai> Gekkko: pardon? made what deals? the fact that Linux has shit hardware support and crap third party software availability is all Microsofts/Windows fault?!
[12:55:34] <Gekkko> no, not that
[12:55:37] <Gekkko> the patent deals
[12:55:44] <Gekkko> with Xandros and SuSE, etcf
[12:55:52] <Gekkko> raised awareness of Linux >_>
[12:56:06] <kaiwai> *shrugs* not really, most people don't know the difference between a patent and a pot plant
[12:56:39] <Gekkko> maybe in the land of the sheep shagger ;-)
[12:56:40] <Gekkko> lol
[12:58:47] <kaiwai> Gekkko: most idiots don't know what internet explorer icon on the desktop means
[12:59:26] <kaiwai> I shit you not, asked an end user to double click, didn't even know what the fuck i was talking about until I said, "tbe big e on the screen"
[12:59:26] <kaiwai> people like that need to be remotely shocked
[12:59:40] <Gekkko> I love people like that
[12:59:46] <kaiwai> preferrably sterilised to stop their stupidity from spreading
[12:59:46] <Gekkko> some chick wrote click on a piece of paper
[12:59:49] <Gekkko> "right click"
[12:59:53] <Gekkko> she thought "write click"
[12:59:55] <Gekkko> what a nub.
[13:00:36] * PerterB shrugs... End users shouldn't need to know that stuff
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[13:03:14] <kaiwai> PeterB: the end user shouldn't be using it then - there is this wonderful phrase for employees who don't know how to use a computer, 'YOU"RE FIRED!"
[13:04:37] <kaiwai> I mean, if I can teach kids with down's syndrome how to use word, there is no excuse for those who's intelligence is alot higher of being able to accomplish the same tasks
[13:05:03] <PerterB> well, that rather depends on the job, and on whether they were hired for an IT literate position and if so whether someone evaluated them and gave any necessary training
[13:08:26] <kaiwai> what the hell is a bugaboo?
[13:09:32] <PerterB> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugaboo
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[13:24:42] <jmcp> Gman: ping
[13:25:22] <kaiwai> PerterB: but at the same time, if they're unwilling to learn, problems start
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[13:30:28] <kaiwai> hi jmcp
[13:33:40] <jmcp> hi kaiwai, one-n-all
[13:34:04] * kaiwai throws confetti in the air and yelps 'yeah!"
[13:35:08] <kaiwai> B69 is stable - found out the problem wit the nautilus crash
[13:35:19] <kaiwai> removed ALL from the user_* file and it doesn't occur anymore
[13:36:42] <kaiwai> *All from the profiles aspect of the user account
[13:36:49] * jmcp still needs to borrow the LTO2 from work before he LUs again
[13:36:59] <kaiwai> more correctly the "All" profile
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[13:42:56] <kaiwai> hmm, hope there will be firmware uploading for webcams soon :(
[13:44:02] <kaiwai> and yes I've filed a bug report under usbvc
[13:44:18] <jmcp> good
[13:45:56] <kaiwai> its sad because thats all is needed for it to work because other than that, its a fully UVC compliant device
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[13:53:32] <Gekkko> Does OpenSolaris have API level compatibility with Linux binaries?
[13:53:47] <Gekkko> or can Linux binaries be easily recompiled from source on OpenSolaris?
[13:53:50] <JWheeler> noyb, brandz under opensolaris does though
[13:53:56] <coffman> *sigh*
[13:53:58] <JWheeler> and most can be, yes.
[13:54:02] <dlg> sigh
[13:54:50] <coffman> i smell a troll!
[13:55:36] <Gekkko> >_>
[13:55:44] <Gekkko> I'm a newbie.
[13:56:02] <coffman> Gekkko: no, you ask stupid questions
[13:56:07] <Gekkko> thanks.
[13:56:14] <jmcp> Gekkko: assuming that your linux apps actually use standards-compliant coding practices, then it shouldn't be too hard to recompile them for OpenSolaris. You might find that whatever app is in question is already compiled for openSolaris
[13:56:26] <Gekkko> thanks jmcp :)
[13:56:27] <jmcp> coffman: no, that wasn't a stupid question, that was a question seeking knowledge
[13:56:31] <jmcp> Gekkko: you're welcome
[13:56:49] <jmcp> coffman: it looks like you're having a bad day
[13:57:38] <coffman> jmcp: maybe, did you read the backlog?
[13:58:56] <Tempt> kaiwai: When you had your iPod, how long did it take to sync?
[13:59:19] <jmcp> coffman: yes, I did
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[14:02:57] <coffman> i still dunno who i have to blame for that, maybe the press
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[14:05:04] <kaiwai> Tempt: I don't have an ipod anymore
[14:05:20] <Tempt> kaiwai: When you did have one ...
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[14:05:59] <coffman> sorry Gekkko, sorry jmcp, channel
[14:06:18] <kaiwai> Tempt: while ago, it died on me, I've since bought a minidisc and use my flat mates pc to load music on - xen apparently supports unmodified Windows which hopefully should mean in future Solaris + Xen + windows = syncronisation with minidisc
[14:06:29] <Gekkko> no worries coffman ;-)
[14:06:56] <Tempt> No, when you had the iPod, how slow was it to sync?
[14:07:52] <jmcp> coffman: nowurries
[14:08:05] <kaiwai> Tempt: not really, it took a couple of seconds to mount, but nothing hugely long
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[14:08:28] <kaiwai> Tempt: for some strange reason, however, when my brother hooked up his ipod, nautilus crashed
[14:08:29] <Tempt> so it didn't take hours to load tracks onto it?
[14:08:31] <Gekkko> gtkpod works in OpenSolaris?
[14:08:34] <kaiwai> and complained it couldn't be mounted
[14:08:38] <Gekkko> libgpod even?
[14:08:50] <kaiwai> Tempt: nope, just the usual few seconds for each track
[14:09:03] <Tempt> I'm thinking the Rockbox firmware looks like the win.
[14:09:15] <Tempt> No software required to get tracks on there; just copy it ...
[14:10:19] <coffman> Gekkko: for a linux guy this paper is a nice start www.sun.com/software/solaris/sysadmin_guide.pdf
[14:10:35] <Gekkko> alright, I'll look into it
[14:10:48] <kaiwai> Tempt: true, I used to use rockbox; too bad it isn't very mature
[14:10:59] <Tempt> Didn't work so well?
[14:11:11] <Gekkko> kaiwai: I beg to differ.
[14:11:13] <kaiwai> well, my experience with it, mind it, it was over a year ago
[14:11:23] <Gekkko> some versions of rockbox run really badly
[14:11:28] <Gekkko> kaiwai: iPod nano?
[14:11:39] <kaiwai> na, iPod 5G
[14:11:40] <Gekkko> last year there was a bug that caused it to run really badly, which has been fixed.
[14:11:44] <kaiwai> 30gig one
[14:11:44] <Gekkko> same with the 5G
[14:11:47] <Gekkko> it affected both.
[14:11:50] <Tempt> I'm looking at rockbox on an 80Gb iPod...
[14:11:51] <Gekkko> it's now fixed
[14:11:52] <Gekkko> :)
[14:12:03] <Gekkko> Tempt: they upgraded the bootloader, etc, so it works on the 5.5G
[14:12:06] <kaiwai> Tempt: don't expect awesome battery life though
[14:12:13] <Gekkko> yeah
[14:12:14] <Gekkko> it halves it
[14:12:16] <kaiwai> Tempt: its support of ipod features is limited
[14:12:26] <kaiwai> but ogg support is there, which is nice
[14:12:26] <Tempt> Okay, so it isn't that crash hot then.
[14:12:27] <Gekkko> but 4 hours of OGG is better than 8 hours of AAC >_>
[14:12:36] <Tempt> ogg be damned.
[14:12:45] <Gekkko> what's wrong with ogg?
[14:12:52] <Gekkko> well, I like FLAC anyway.
[14:12:56] <coffman> my player does 24 hours ogg
[14:13:06] <Tempt> mp3 is portable (usable everywhere)
[14:13:14] <Tempt> ogg was a political move
[14:13:24] <Tempt> give me either mp3 or FLAC.
[14:13:31] <coffman> mp3 is not free
[14:13:39] <coffman> and mp3 sucks
[14:13:42] <Gekkko> ogg has better quality
[14:13:45] <Tempt> If quality really matters, FLAC wins. Otherwise, I don't give a *toss* about the fine-grained political hair-splitting of mp3.
[14:13:49] <coffman> hurts my ears
[14:13:55] <Gekkko> 160kbit ogg is better than 196kbit mp3
[14:13:57] <Gekkko> and now, I must go
[14:14:02] <Gekkko> talk to you guys soon :)
[14:14:07] <kaiwai> hmm, I'm happy with ATRAC3pro
[14:14:16] <Gekkko> :O BLASPHEMY
[14:14:18] <Gekkko> lol cya
[14:14:19] <kaiwai> I'd love to see support native on Solaris
[14:14:25] <kaiwai> see ya Gekkko
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[14:15:14] <Mdx4> uh the modern fight between VHS and Betamax
[14:15:20] <Tempt> As long as it isn't AAC.
[14:15:50] <kaiwai> AAC isn't that bad, just a bitch to get support for *NIX
[14:16:08] <Tempt> I ran a double-blind test of compression
[14:16:11] <Tempt> AAC came last.
[14:17:27] <kaiwai> like I said, I'm happy with ATRAC3pro
[14:17:30] <Tempt> We didn't survey ogg in that test though.
[14:17:41] <Tempt> ATRAC beat AAC in the test.
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[14:20:46] <kaiwai> damn, I can't believe the number of ignorant people out there thinking nz is part of aussie
[14:21:13] <Tempt> We'll annex your country next year.
[14:22:06] <kaiwai> meh, you guys need to see what rain looks like, right now aussie looks like a clip out of mad max
[14:23:31] <Tempt> was quite nice out today.
[14:24:03] <kaiwai> its raining here
[14:27:14] <kaiwai> this latest fiasco in linux makes me laugh
[14:28:26] <trochej> wchich one, you mean?
[14:28:31] <Tempt> which particular latest fiasco?
[14:28:55] <oxygene> kaiwai: just wait for the opensolaris fiascos
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[14:29:06] <kaiwai> meh, i doubt it
[14:29:07] <oxygene> well.. at least, they'll be properly ARCd
[14:29:25] <kaiwai> true, the only one so far is Schilly whining about star
[14:29:51] <kaiwai> ARC is rather slow though, look how long opensound has been 'approved' and yet to be merged
[14:29:59] <Tempt> not exactly fiasco territory
[14:30:42] <oxygene> comparing how long it takes ksh93 vs pushing gnu coreutils.. *shrug*
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[14:31:18] <jmcp> kaiwai: careful, you're starting to sound like Joerg
[14:31:22] <kaiwai> gnu coreutils - what is included with that?
[14:31:34] <oxygene> kaiwai: seq
[14:31:37] <kaiwai> jmcp: whats holding up opensound though?
[14:31:40] <oxygene> and lots of other small things
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[14:31:52] <jmcp> kaiwai: I dunno
[14:31:53] <oxygene> jmcp: where's the problem with sounding like joerg?
[14:32:05] <Tempt> Solaris has a history of stability over fast change.
[14:32:12] <Tempt> That isn't going to change overnight.
[14:32:21] <jmcp> oxygene: in the context of "ARC is slow" ... it leads sooo quickly to "nothing else should be allowed to integrate before star(1)"
[14:32:22] <jmcp> :-)
[14:32:29] <Tempt> For utils, OSS, ksh93 .. that can all be done with a few pkgadds later ...
[14:32:36] <kaiwai> Tempt: the current sound API sucks though
[14:32:50] <Tempt> The current sound API *works* and is *stable*
[14:33:13] <kaiwai> Tempt: it sucks even more when it comes to opensound and trying to record audio - it only works using the ossrecord, none of the GUI applications work properly
[14:33:24] <oxygene> jmcp: I don't mind the time it takes - but it's weird how things get added with no resistance (and no real notice as far as I can see), while other things get debated to death
[14:33:46] <oxygene> jmcp: but that's probably an issue of ending up in different consolidations
[14:33:56] <oxygene> maybe they should've tried to push ksh93 into sfw first
[14:33:57] <jmcp> could be, that's true
[14:34:00] <Tempt> If it's a load of politics, it'll get debated. If the decision is easy, it'll go through quickly.
[14:34:38] <Tempt> Trying to push through a new shell as if it makes a huge difference isn't worth the debating effort. Anyone who wants it can install a package later.
[14:34:59] <kaiwai> hmm, whats the hold up for ksh93 though? "whats the reason for merging?", "because I bloody well said so"
[14:35:06] <oxygene> Tempt: I see more need for discussion with gnu tools (no stable interface, no stable maintenance) than with other things.. esp. because of "stability" concerns
[14:35:56] <oxygene> and it seems that ON care about it, while sfw doesn't - hence: get everything into sfw and obsolete (and drop) everything non-kernel in ON over long time.. et voila: linux development model.. isn't that what sun wants to do anyway? ;)
[14:35:58] <Tempt> The hold-up with ksh93 is people want it installed to /bin/ksh
[14:36:21] <kaiwai> does it conflict with any existing package as to stop it from being in there?
[14:36:32] <Tempt> Yes, it does.
[14:36:41] <Tempt> That's what makes it a debating point.
[14:36:51] <oxygene> Tempt: /bin points to /usr/bin.. sfw seems to use /usr/bin, so it's a way to get files into /bin, too
[14:36:53] <Tempt> If they wanted to install it to /bin/ksh93 nobody would argue so much.
[14:37:04] <Tempt> oxygene: sfw is either /usr/sfw or /opt/sfw
[14:39:02] <oxygene> Tempt: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/sfwnv/test_stevel/usr/src/pkgdefs/SUNWgnu-coreutils/prototype_com
[14:39:03] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/25ezm9
[14:39:19] <oxygene> Tempt: 22 files in /usr/bin
[14:39:58] <kaiwai> dear god, all that; I'd just give up
[14:40:09] <kaiwai> I'd leave the community and give up
[14:40:12] <oxygene> oh, /usr/bin/bzip2, too (also sfw)
[14:40:35] <oxygene> kaiwai: communi-what?
[14:40:48] <kaiwai> opensolaris community
[14:42:09] <coffman> well, in the end distros will come and put on the pressure (i hope so)
[14:42:36] <Gekkko[PDA]> hey
[14:44:28] <sickness> kaiwai: :/
[14:44:38] <sickness> kaiwai: what where you doing in the community?
[14:45:05] <kaiwai> good question, I think once I get my C skills in working order I'll be the token Theo raadt
[14:45:15] <kaiwai> a project needs atleast one asshole
[14:45:27] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol
[14:45:30] <sickness> lol
[14:46:29] <kaiwai> possibly the token drunk programmer at events too
[14:46:32] <kaiwai> need one of those
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[14:46:53] <winndixie> s
[14:46:59] <e^ipi> you can teach a monkey C in a couple weeks, it's really not that hard and theo doesn't just shoot his damned-fool mouth off, he has a reputation for being an asshole because he's often right
[14:47:12] <Tempt> I was just about to say ...
[14:47:27] <Tempt> Theo gets away with being a prick because he's proved himself time and time again.
[14:47:39] <Gekkko[PDA]> k
[14:47:47] <winndixie> i'm gay
[14:47:48] <cmn_err> <winndixie> THAT'S WHEN I SNEAK IN AND LICK THE DICK
[14:48:04] <Gekkko[PDA]> >.>
[14:48:16] <jmcp> winndixie: so what?
[14:48:17] <cmn_err> so is, like, there a place I can get those that isn't a CD
[14:48:18] <kaiwai> *looks at e^ipi* awww little Theo's protege
[14:48:19] <dlg> what an interesting time to look in on the channel
[14:48:24] <jmcp> dlg: yeah
[14:48:34] <sickness> lol
[14:48:38] * jmcp wishes he could /kick cmn_err
[14:48:40] <winndixie> sexy gays having sexy gay sex with other sexy gays of the same sexy gay sex
[14:48:41] <cmn_err> <winndixie> WELL COCKMOUTH.GIF WAS EXACTLY AS ADVERTISED
[14:48:57] <Gekkko[PDA]> >.>
[14:49:06] * jmcp sods off]
[14:49:07] <jmcp> gnite all
[14:49:09] <dlg> jmcp: n8
[14:49:11] <kaiwai> jmcp: good night
[14:49:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> bye
[14:49:16] <winndixie> i want very much put my anus in a women's penis
[14:49:26] <kaiwai> winndixie: aye?
[14:49:45] <winndixie> yah
[14:50:40] <kaiwai> strange person
[14:51:56] <Gekkko[PDA]> >.<
[14:52:03] <sickness> ...
[14:52:27] <kaiwai> winndixie makes me look normal
[14:52:38] <sickness> yeah
[14:53:11] <winndixie> i installed solaris 2/07 but no matter what i do i can't get cd to eject
[14:53:26] <winndixie> its a firewire and usb external dvd drive
[14:53:36] <Gekkko[PDA]> press the button?
[14:53:40] <kaiwai> hmm, winndixie; when you reboot it should be just a mnatter of clicking on the button
[14:53:49] <winndixie> it doesnt respond Gekkko[PDA]
[14:53:56] <kaiwai> if you're in solaris open up shell and go use the command eject
[14:53:59] <sickness> use a paperclio :P
[14:54:03] <sickness> paperclip
[14:54:07] <Gekkko[PDA]> lol sickness
[14:54:12] <winndixie> kaiwai: it installs fine.. only when the system is running
[14:54:14] <Gekkko[PDA]> is it plugged in?
[14:54:18] <Gekkko[PDA]> AC*
[14:54:21] <winndixie> once in gnome
[14:54:23] <sickness> Gekkko[PDA]: old proven ways usually work better
[14:54:24] <kaiwai> winndixie: then use the eject command
[14:54:35] <winndixie> eject didnt work
[14:54:50] <winndixie> it unmounted the disc but did not eject
[14:54:59] <kaiwai> winndixie: use the eject command from shell
[14:55:02] <kaiwai> eject then enter
[14:55:03] <winndixie> eject -f on the raw device didnt work either
[14:55:21] <winndixie> yah i did it in shell
[14:55:21] <kaiwai> hmm, bit of a POS IMHO
[14:55:33] <winndixie> i was wondering if this is normal?
[14:55:40] <winndixie> could it just be my drive
[14:56:02] <Gekkko[PDA]> what brand?
[14:56:05] <Tempt> if it's external and unmounted ...
[14:56:08] <Tempt> ... power cycle it.
[14:56:11] <winndixie> Sony
[14:56:15] <Gekkko[PDA]> eww
[14:56:18] <winndixie> Tempt: power cycling was the only solution
[14:56:32] <winndixie> but its not good for the device
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[14:58:45] <kaiwai> does it have an internal cddrive?
[14:58:59] <winndixie> kaiwai: none unfortunately
[14:59:06] <winndixie> its a subnotebook
[14:59:13] <kaiwai> ewww yuck
[14:59:17] <winndixie> aww
[14:59:26] <winndixie> 'tis my baby
[14:59:38] <kaiwai> damn, please, don't say you're a 'road warrior'
[14:59:43] <kaiwai> I hate that term
[14:59:50] <winndixie> it was up 2 weeks and i know it coulda done longer
[15:00:02] <winndixie> lol im no warrior
[15:00:09] <winndixie> i never pop it out in public
[15:00:15] <Tempt> My laptop doesn't have an optical drive either
[15:00:25] <Tempt> Much too small for shoving something so generally useless in.
[15:00:32] <kaiwai> mine is built like a brick shit house
[15:00:49] <Tempt> The only time you need an optical drive is when you're installing the OS, everything else can be done via network later on.
[15:01:04] <Tempt> winndixie: Model?
[15:01:15] <winndixie> kaiwai: is that good or bad?
[15:01:21] <winndixie> Tempt: thinkpad x30
[15:01:26] <Tempt> x30 is nice.
[15:01:34] <kaiwai> winndixie: good, I like mine nice and sturdy, not flimsey and small
[15:01:52] <kaiwai> oh, talking about laptops - same thing as above
[15:02:05] <winndixie> i have a sturdy one too, thinkpad t22
[15:02:18] <winndixie> w/ magnesium or polycarb lid
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[15:02:25] <winndixie> made in japan
[15:02:40] <kaiwai> I was going to get one (thinkpad) but they lenovo has done a crap job selling their machines in NZ
[15:02:47] <Tempt> alright, that's enough cheap innuendo for one night.
[15:02:50] <kaiwai> pretty much there is only acer, toshiba, hp/compaq
[15:02:51] <Tempt> Later.
[15:03:04] <kaiwai> good  night tempt
[15:03:25] <winndixie> kaiwai: i heard they are doing a crap job in the US too
[15:03:32] <winndixie> people waiting months for their laptops to arrive
[15:03:45] <kaiwai> yeap, their website doesn't work for NZ
[15:03:59] <kaiwai> lenovo.co.nz doesn't work - you have to use lenovo.com/nz
[15:04:07] <winndixie> hehe
[15:04:20] <winndixie> i saw a movie recently filmed in NZ
[15:05:00] <winndixie> your lil country's quite famous
[15:05:07] <purserj> so did I, it had lots of guys on horses attacking these really big elephants
[15:05:18] <purserj> plus a couple of midgets running around a volcano
[15:05:19] <winndixie> sounds gay
[15:05:19] <cmn_err> <winndixie> WE ALL LICK DICKS DON'T WE
[15:05:29] <winndixie> ah
[15:05:30] <Gekkko[PDA]> gay?
[15:05:31] <cmn_err> <Gekkko[PDA]> I HAVE TWO BALLS -- I WANT THREE
[15:05:41] <Gekkko[PDA]> damn straight.
[15:05:44] <winndixie> lotr
[15:05:52] <winndixie> the one i saw was bridge to terabithia
[15:06:11] <kaiwai> what the hell is wrong with cmn_err ?
[15:06:45] <winndixie> beats me
[15:07:16] <winndixie> i stole the solaris wallpapers to use in slackware
[15:07:20] <winndixie> they're nice
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[15:07:43] <kaiwai> I've used my Windows fonts in solaris, its the only really useful thing about windows - the fonts included
[15:08:02] <winndixie> ttf?
[15:08:09] <kaiwai> yeap, ttf and otf
[15:08:22] <kaiwai> especially their new one segoe :)
[15:08:29] <kaiwai> the segoe ui works nice on solaris :)
[15:08:39] <winndixie> i knew someone who was in the world taekwondo federation
[15:08:47] <winndixie> it says WTF in bold writing on her uniform
[15:09:15] <kaiwai> lol
[15:09:26] <winndixie> segoe is a vista font?
[15:09:43] <Gekkko[PDA]> yes
[15:09:47] <winndixie> ah
[15:09:58] <oxygene> segoe is a frutiger rip-off
[15:10:29] <kaiwai> anayway off to bed
[15:10:32] <kaiwai> good night
[15:10:36] <winndixie> night
[15:10:49] <kaiwai> *gives winndixie a spontaneous hug*
[15:11:03] <winndixie> :)))
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[15:11:08] <Gekkko[PDA]> gay!
[15:11:09] <cmn_err> <Gekkko[PDA]> GAHGLAHGLAGHALGHALGHLA
[15:11:12] <winndixie> lol
[15:11:18] <Gekkko[PDA]> lesbian?
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[15:11:26] <Gekkko[PDA]> how sexist >.>
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[17:19:09] <myrkraverk> is there some text somewhere on what it takes to make a shell rbac aware?
[17:19:26] <myrkraverk> (that is, it *has* crossed my mind to fiddle with zsh)
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[17:33:44] <tomww> myrkraverk: hmmm. call you programs through "pfexec".  e.g. "pfexec pkgadd -d/this/path SUNWmykraverk"
[17:36:37] <myrkraverk> tomww: is that what an rbac aware shell does?
[17:37:20] <PerterB> no
[17:37:43] <trs81> hey guys. I'm trying to do an upgrade, and I get an error "metainit: manbo: stale databases" and "metasync: manbo: /dev/md/dsk/d4: unit not found"
[17:37:52] <trs81> and then I don't get the option to upgrade, only to do a new install
[17:40:30] <PerterB> myrkraverk: an rbac aware shell like pfksh executes every command with the same privileges as pfexec would have, ie it's analagous to a root shell in the non-rbac world
[17:40:56] <myrkraverk> hmm, ok
[17:45:23] <myrkraverk> where would I dig up the (pf)ksh source code?
[17:49:11] <PerterB> I seem to remember reading in one of the many ksh threads that pfksh was based on a very old (and possibly buggy) versions of ksh and was never open sourced... nrubsig could probably tell you at some length ;)
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[17:54:42] <myrkraverk> oh, ok
[17:54:53] <myrkraverk> but what about the other pf shells?
[17:57:11] <myrkraverk> hm, csh seems there
[17:57:20] <PerterB> have a look on cvs.opensolaris.org... pfsh and pfcsh seem to be build from the same source as the non-pf version
[17:57:33] <myrkraverk> yes, thanks
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[18:15:28] <trs81> is the source to ttinstall available?
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[18:24:56] <jimm3rs> is there a way to add new disk to the Solaris 10 under VMware 6? each time I try to fdisk added disk I get partition too big error
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[18:57:54] <Gman> jmcp, pong
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[19:28:00] <catena> anyone here?
[19:28:22] <DerJoern> no all dead
[19:29:04] <catena> oh no ghostss
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[19:33:30] <soulie> Hello , after instaling wxGTK they say to run ldconfig so wxrc finds the installed librarys
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[19:33:40] <soulie> but i cant find ldconfig on my solaris ;o?
[19:34:05] <WickedWicky> crle
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[19:34:33] <soulie> that the solaris version :)?
[19:34:45] <WickedWicky> ya
[19:34:48] <soulie> ty:)
[19:35:25] <WickedWicky> no probs :)
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[19:37:07] <soulie> do i create a file ld.config with the directories of the librarys in it?
[19:37:34] <soulie> bash-3.00$ crle
[19:37:35] <soulie> Default configuration file (/var/ld/ld.config) not found
[19:37:35] <soulie>   Platform:     32-bit LSB 80386
[19:37:35] <soulie>   Default Library Path (ELF):   /lib:/usr/lib  (system default)
[19:37:35] <soulie>   Trusted Directories (ELF):    /lib/secure:/usr/lib/secure  (system default)
[19:37:35] <soulie> Output of crle
[19:37:38] <cmn_err> Either that quote id does't exist, or bash.org is busted at the moment.
[19:38:20] <WickedWicky> crle -c /var/ld/ld.config -l <library path>
[19:38:29] <WickedWicky> if my mind is not letting me down
[19:38:52] <soulie> :) dont worry i still like big brain even if its wrong ;p
[19:39:31] * soulie going to poke his bash shell with wickedwicky power
[19:40:40] <WickedWicky> haha
[19:40:51] <WickedWicky> I just woke up, i dont feel so powerfull atm :P
[19:41:11] <soulie> :P hehe 19h41 here
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[19:41:34] <WickedWicky> same here
[19:41:42] <soulie> lol
[19:41:46] <WickedWicky> but I went out yesterday and last night
[19:41:52] <soulie> :)
[19:42:23] <catena> i have two accounts on solaris 'vishnu' and 'root'. i can send msgs between root and 'vishnu'. but not between other accounts. i mean the accounts provided by my isp
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[19:48:36] <soulie> :) your crle worked wickedwicky
[19:48:43] <soulie> :p next problem wxrc
[19:48:44] <soulie> ld.so.1: wxrc-2.8: fatal: libz.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory
[19:49:08] <soulie> hidden in opensolaris or do i use the power of google?
[19:49:55] <WickedWicky> libz.so.1 should be in /usr/lib
[19:49:59] <axisys_> how do I connect this http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/Devices/SCSI/SCSI_3310_JBOD_IO.html to my x4200? i have only one ultra scsi cable.. so can I connect it to `A ->O' or `A O->' ?
[19:50:01] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/266ro5
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[20:09:48] <axisys> cccc
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[20:17:41] <axisys_> anyone uses 3300 as jbod?
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[20:37:15] <oasnebi> so the only way to update using the sun update manager is to have a subscription number? i guess i'm limited to smpatch then
[20:39:35] <axisys_> oasnebi: use pca
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[20:39:50] <axisys_> oasnebi: search for the strings `pca patch'
[20:40:46] <axisys_> oasnebi: well u will still need an account.. but security patches are free
[20:40:49] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: no, you can leave the subscription number blank
[20:41:04] <flyingparchment> oasnebi: but the GUI update manager is useless, so don't bother with it
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[20:41:50] <oasnebi> flyingparchment: when i left the subscription number blank, it wouldn't let me continue
[20:41:58] <oasnebi> it was a mandatory field
[20:42:02] <catena> hello
[20:42:06] <oasnebi> hi
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[20:45:38] <g4lt-mordant> sun update mangler is nt supported in opesolaris
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[20:47:33] <oasnebi> why does it ship with sun update manager if it isn't supported then?
[20:50:25] <g4lt-mordant> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/general_faq/#opensolaris-solaris
[20:50:26] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/yb9wgr
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[21:01:08] <CIA-26> rica: 6533118 move TX source from TLC to ON gate (fix gcc build)
[21:04:22] <Trisk[laptop]> oasnebi: the update manager *does* have an option to not use a support contract btw
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[21:12:48] <Gman> alanc_away, happen to be around?
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[21:13:02] <WickedWicky> urgh
[21:13:03] <WickedWicky> Jul 29 21:06:44 lilith savecore: [ID 748169 auth.error] saving system crash dump
[21:13:04] <WickedWicky>  in /var/crash/solaris-devx/*.0
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[21:13:09] <WickedWicky> that's not good, is it
[21:13:31] <WickedWicky> Jul 29 21:06:44 lilith savecore: [ID 570001 auth.error] reboot after panic: kern
[21:13:32] <WickedWicky> el heap corruption detected
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[21:14:32] <Trisk[laptop]> WickedWicky: you have a core dump to look at
[21:14:43] <WickedWicky> if I only knew how to read them
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[21:16:17] <Trisk[laptop]> WickedWicky: just do mdb on the unix.* and vmcore.* files and print ::status $<msgbuf and $C
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[21:18:27] <WickedWicky> # mdb unix.0
[21:18:27] <WickedWicky> > print ::status $<msgbuf
[21:18:27] <WickedWicky> mdb: failed to dereference symbol: unknown symbol name
[21:19:40] <Trisk[laptop]> er, without the print, and those are seperate commands
[21:19:51] <WickedWicky> > ::status
[21:19:52] <WickedWicky> debugging executable file (32-bit)
[21:19:52] <WickedWicky> file: /var/crash/solaris-devx/unix.0
[21:19:52] <WickedWicky> status: idle
[21:20:02] <Trisk[laptop]> and you need the core file obviously
[21:20:57] <WickedWicky> doh
[21:20:58] <WickedWicky> # mdb vmcore.0
[21:20:58] <WickedWicky> > ::status
[21:20:58] <WickedWicky> debugging file 'vmcore.0' (object file)
[21:21:49] <Trisk[laptop]> you need both the binary and the core...
[21:22:06] <Trisk[laptop]> mdb unix.0 vmcore.0
[21:22:14] <WickedWicky> ah, I get what you're saying
[21:22:16] <WickedWicky> sorry
[21:22:47] <WickedWicky> allright
[21:22:49] <WickedWicky> so this is ::status
[21:22:50] <WickedWicky> > ::status
[21:22:51] <WickedWicky> debugging crash dump vmcore.0 (32-bit) from lilith
[21:22:51] <WickedWicky> operating system: 5.11 snv69 (i86pc)
[21:22:51] <WickedWicky> panic message: kernel heap corruption detected
[21:22:51] <WickedWicky> dump content: kernel pages only
[21:23:14] <WickedWicky> and $<msgbuf is a lot
[21:23:21] <Trisk[laptop]> I suggest using a pastebin
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[21:25:41] <WickedWicky> ah yea, I see the panic at the end, wait, I am at pastbin now
[21:26:14] <WickedWicky> http://pastebin.com/m75823f9a
[21:26:17] <WickedWicky> that's it
[21:27:25] <WickedWicky> My suspect for now is: rhythmbox
[21:27:52] <catena> WickedWicky where are the system: one in \etc\... and other in \var\... right?
[21:28:01] <catena> system logs
[21:28:16] <Marv|LG> how can i which drivers are in used on a solaris host
[21:28:23] <flyingparchment> catena: we call thet /etc/ and /var/ in unix :)
[21:28:37] <Trisk[laptop]> WickedWicky: it's in the kernel, an application can't cause this
[21:28:43] <WickedWicky> ow
[21:28:52] <flyingparchment> well, an application can trigger a kernel bug
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[21:29:04] <catena> flyinparchment yo yo.. oops it was the keyboard and finger problem
[21:29:12] <WickedWicky> I dunno, the only thing i do different now than from two weeks ago is using rhythmbox
[21:29:16] <rbrown> Can the linux camps come up with anything original ?
[21:29:17] <Trisk[laptop]> flyingparchment: the bug is in the kernel, though
[21:29:18] <rbrown> http://www.venturecake.com/images/gimp%20new%20ui%20single%20window.png
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[21:29:19] <WickedWicky> so by that I'd say it's oss then?
[21:29:26] <rbrown> This is a blantant rip-off of the MacOSX UI
[21:29:29] <rbrown> jesus down to the T
[21:29:42] <Trisk[laptop]> WickedWicky: might be difficult to debug, I don't know what the slab allocator stores in the redzone
[21:30:03] <WickedWicky> at least you know what the slab allocator is and what the redzone is
[21:31:08] <Trisk[laptop]> rbrown: not sure what you mean, it's just the normal gimp windows all stuck together)
[21:31:09] <WickedWicky> this is what happened; I was playing an mp3 in Rhythmbox for.. 20 mins or so, then suddenly the playback freezes (as in, same 1/10th second of the track repeated 349034934 times) and then a reboot
[21:31:13] <catena> flyingparchment where is the systemlog
[21:31:51] <WickedWicky> in /var/adm/ and /var/log
[21:32:02] <Trisk[laptop]> rbrown: oh, you mean the dock-ripoff at the bottom. that is obviously something the user added
[21:33:26] <rbrown> Trisk[laptop], besides gimp
[21:33:33] <rbrown> everything else is pretty much from MacOSX
[21:33:42] <rbrown> even the icon's look like the ones on my mac now :)
[21:34:10] <rbrown> the thing that distingishes that this isnt MacOSX is the missing apple logo in the upper left
[21:34:24] <rbrown> and the wifi icon lol
[21:34:34] <Trisk[laptop]> rbrown: these are the default gnome panel layout and tango icons, pretty much
[21:34:43] <Trisk[laptop]> rbrown: solaris express ships with the icons, too
[21:34:54] <rbrown> yes and its a blatant ripoff
[21:35:03] <rbrown> can the gnome camp come up with anything original ?
[21:36:59] <Trisk[laptop]> rbrown: I'll grant that the panel is a bit much, but I don't see the tango icons being a "blatant ripoff"
[21:40:03] <Trisk[laptop]> WickedWicky: basically, something overran the buffer that it got from the in-kernel slab allocator, and the allocator noticed the corruption while freeing that buffer
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[21:43:35] <WickedWicky> dum di dum
[21:43:48] <Trisk[laptop]> another crash?
[21:43:56] <WickedWicky> yes, without playing mp3s
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[21:44:04] <WickedWicky> but during compiling mplayer
[21:44:18] <Trisk[laptop]> overheat is my first guess
[21:44:47] <WickedWicky> hoorah for controllable case fans
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[21:49:57] <palowoda> Trisk: It's probably http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=34225&tstart=45   easy workaround replacing the expat lib.
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[21:51:23] <palowoda> That is after you fix the heat problem.
[21:52:09] <Trisk[laptop]> palowoda: that is an application crash, not a system crash
[21:52:19] <Trisk[laptop]> completely unrelated
[21:53:31] <moazamraja> that screenshot of Gimp doesn't look much like OS X
[21:53:41] <moazamraja> it looks like a very bad imitation though, I suppose
[21:53:50] <moazamraja> the text looks like...well, ass.
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[22:33:16] <myrkraverk> do you ppl know what happens when ppl try to use a non rbac aware shells in a profile?
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[22:46:49] <tomww> myrkraverk: have an example? if the first process start in a profiled enviroment, all sub-processes  by default inherit these special environments
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[22:47:58] <myrkraverk> tomww: no, I don't have an example, I've just been going over whan an rbac aware shell is (pfsh, etc)
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