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[00:15:08] <nachox> evening
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[01:05:47] <noyb> anyone successfully sharing printers from solaris with ipp ?  I need some help with the config file.  This url seems messed up: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/using_ipp.jsp right after "Here is an annotated example"
[01:12:56] <delewis> anyone know when mediaLib will be completely opened?
[01:18:05] <alanc> it's not already?
[01:18:14] <alanc> thought they already hade...
[01:18:16] <alanc> had even
[01:18:27] <delewis> just the pure C version.
[01:18:32] <delewis> none of the inline SSE and VIS code.
[01:18:47] <alanc> oh
[01:18:53] <delewis> I was wanting to fix the inaccuracies in the SPARC VIS idct, but that isn't there yet.
[01:19:39] <delewis> alanc, know where I could get an older release of dcmtool from? (the only version that's available is 0.9 and it only supports the XVR-600/1200/2500 -- not the XVR-1000, which is what I have)
[01:19:51] <alanc> no clue
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[02:00:17] <CIA-26> kucharsk: 6586099 BrandZ lx install script returns incorrect error code to zoneadm
[02:00:20] <CIA-26> okie: 6586397 can't connect to non-broadcast wlans with WEP or WPA using nwam
[02:00:21] <CIA-26> rica: PSARC 2007/254 - Enabling method for Trusted Extensions, 6432114 [tjds] cannot login via gdm unless clearance is set to admin_high, 6533113 split install and enabling of Trusted Extensions, 6533118 move TX source from TLC to ON gate, 6542578 TLC putback requires i.pamconf change similar to the kerberos solution., 6552207 txzonemgr does not configure loopback mounts for /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow when creating zones, 6552253 solaris.smf.manage
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[02:16:32] <alanc> opensolaris.org's webapp is being very slow at saving changes to web pages
[02:16:50] <alanc> but I think stevel isn't back from OSCON to harass yet
[02:16:55] <richlowe> alanc: try derek.
[02:17:21] <alanc> ah, my update to http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/changelogs-nv_70/ finally saved - nv_70 X changelog now posted
[02:17:22] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2fx9eu
[02:17:24] <richlowe> or do what I do, and just never touch the pages.
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[02:18:15] <alanc> people seem to like seeing what goes into the builds though
[02:18:24] <alanc> not that many others bother...
[02:18:30] <richlowe> alanc: are uploads of html pages faster?
[02:18:39] <richlowe> (if you want a more webapp-free workaround)
[02:18:44] <richlowe> attaching them, that is, or whatever term the app uses.
[02:19:20] <richlowe> alanc: also, of the open consolidations, I think only sfwnv doesn't publish putback logs or similar.
[02:19:21] <alanc> not sure
[02:19:24] <richlowe> CCD, probably.
[02:19:55] <alanc> at least when Marilyn was posting new SFW code drops, she'd include the bug list in her announcement e-mails I thought
[02:20:05] <alanc> don't remember if that's happening while she's gone
[02:20:59] <alanc> "6569508 Mesa 3D driver for Intel 965" is probably most interesting in our nv_70 changes
[02:23:15] <nachox> remember you can always blame gman :)
[02:24:02] <alanc> I was already blaming Gman for something else, but I don't remember what now
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[02:24:27] <alanc> spent too much time baking in the sun drinking beer this afternoon - brain is already gone
[02:24:55] <alanc> so I'll do the Xorg 1.3 putback now!
[02:24:58] <alanc> bwahahaha!
[02:25:32] <nachox> what nevada should we avoid? :P
[02:26:01] <alanc> well, all the Xorg ARC cases I filed this week are piling into nv_71...
[02:26:44] <alanc> but I still have to finish merging with the current master and then doing a final test build before putback, so will just start that build tonight and do the real putback Monday morning when fully sober
[02:27:06] <richlowe> and, like, other testing, I hope.
[02:27:25] <alanc> other testing?
[02:27:50] <richlowe> what you typed implied the build as pretty much all the testing involved.
[02:28:43] <nachox> it did?
[02:28:48] <alanc> oh, that build will be installed and run
[02:28:56] <richlowe> nachox: I read it that way.
[02:29:48] <nachox> richlowe, i thought he meant he was too drunk to make something usefull from this putback and therefore we should avoid all the affected nevadas :)
[02:30:03] <alanc> it was only 2 beers!
[02:30:22] <richlowe> alanc: for all we know, you're a lightweight.
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[02:30:45] <alanc> my weight is definitely NOT light
[02:31:04] <richlowe> you could be typing in between singing crude songs, and puking on things.
[02:31:25] <nachox> thanks richlowe i was about to eat dinner
[02:31:41] <nachox> i REALLY needed to hear that
[02:33:38] <richlowe> I couldn't come up with a more visual and obvious description of drunkenness.
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[02:39:31] <bda> richlowe: Think you're hilarious. But you're not. Thinking you're attractive to everyone of your sexual orientation. But you're not. Changing your sexual orientation just enough to make everyone around you weirded out.
[02:39:34] <bda> richlowe: Thinking you can sing. But you can't.
[02:39:35] <bda> ;D
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[02:47:11] <alanc> well, it's now been 2 hours since my last beer, so I'm driving home
[02:47:34] <alanc> though my judgement may still be impaired, since I'm taking the mercurial manual home to read over the weekend
[02:48:11] <alanc> see you all monday
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[02:48:43] <bda> haha
[02:50:16] <richlowe> bda: that's a rather verbose description of it though.
[02:50:27] <richlowe> and either singing or puking will be involved eventually, either way
[02:50:38] <bda> Fair enough.
[02:50:53] <_mary_kate_> df could do with an option to only show real filesystems
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[02:51:04] <bda> Heh, yeah, that's come up a few times.
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[02:59:25] <_mary_kate_> sun.com says the X4500 is "from $47,995" but the cheapest configuration is $23,995.  did i miss something?
[03:00:17] <CIA-26> jeanm: 6254363 svccfg validate returns incorrect diagnostics (fix lint)
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[03:02:05] <nachox> a hell of a big price cut? :P
[03:03:24] <bda> Man, the time to buy one of those things was during the 20th year anniversary sale. :<
[03:03:45] <delewis> that was the price during the 25th anniversary sale.
[03:04:23] <_mary_kate_> so the page is wrong?
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[03:05:35] <nachox> was sun actually making money with that price?
[03:06:50] <bda> er 25th. boo on me.
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[03:19:01] <blueandwhiteg3> I just (physically) moved a member of a raid-z from c7t1d0 to c4d0 now solaris isn't finding it
[03:19:10] <blueandwhiteg3> How do I reconnect it?
[03:20:26] <blueandwhiteg3> It's physically there and solaris sees the drive, solaris just isn't realizing that i moved the drive and lists c7t1d0 as offline
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[03:22:06] <bda> zpool import?
[03:23:33] <sommerfeld> did you reboot?
[03:23:39] <dennis> blueandwhiteg3: i just discovered the same: http://worsehell.blogspot.com/2007/07/short-resume-on-zfs.html
[03:23:40] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/28jkqr
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[03:25:05] <blueandwhiteg3> I rebooted
[03:25:14] <_mary_kate_> cheater
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[03:25:55] <blueandwhiteg3> dennis: That's not the case here
[03:26:36] <dennis> blueandwhiteg3: yes, you're right. i just did not read the complete line, damn late, will better sleep now ;)
[03:26:38] <blueandwhiteg3> I want to just remap it so that the zpool points to c4d0 instead of c7t1d0
[03:26:47] <blueandwhiteg3> It seem simple
[03:27:14] <blueandwhiteg3> Previously when I moved around with integrated SATA it automagically detected it
[03:27:22] <blueandwhiteg3> Now I used an add-on card
[03:28:06] <BatonT> blueandwhiteg3: i had same issue yesterday... couldnt work it out :(
[03:28:17] <blueandwhiteg3> Isn't there a command?
[03:28:20] <blueandwhiteg3> I tried adding
[03:28:21] <blueandwhiteg3> no luck
[03:29:42] <blueandwhiteg3> I could rebuild, but that would be stupid!
[03:29:52] <BatonT> blueandwhiteg3: thats what i had to do :(
[03:29:53] <sommerfeld> zpool export /zpool import should work
[03:30:25] <sommerfeld> i suspect the device id of the disk changed when it moved from controller to controller..
[03:30:30] <blueandwhiteg3> ah ha
[03:30:55] <blueandwhiteg3> sommerfeld: why would the device id change? previously moving c4d0 -> c5d0, etc worked.
[03:31:02] <blueandwhiteg3> That did the trick
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[03:33:57] <blueandwhiteg3> By the way... Syba PCI-Express SATA controllers work great. SIL3134
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[03:39:40] <blueandwhiteg3> quite literally plug and play
[03:40:38] <sommerfeld> I think you may be moving between "native sata" and "ata emulation" or vice versa
[03:41:00] <sommerfeld> and the somewhat different driver frameworks may be generating different device ids
[03:42:38] <BatonT> sommerfeld: mm that sorta makes sense
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[03:54:32] <blueandwhiteg3> Is there any way to test compression throughput only?
[04:00:14] <CIA-26> aguzovsk: 6582037 don't enable text replication on 32bit kernels, 6583303 segvn_fault_anonpages(F_SOFTLOCK) doesn't always properly softlock all faulted in page_t's, 6584200 segvn_fault_anonpages() is missing anon_array_exit() call in the error case
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[04:08:47] <jlc> alanc ping
[04:09:22] <_mary_kate_> he want home for the weekend
[04:10:25] <jlc> danka
[04:13:32] <_mary_kate_> i was worried this disk array wouldn't be able to keep up with the load.  turns out that is about 100K/s writes :)
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[04:20:36] <hile_> hey tom
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[04:37:50] <KurtKraut> How an unexperienced linux desktop user may help OpenSolaris? Or there is nothing set yet that this kind of user can be helpful?
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[04:44:00] <nachox> KurtKraut, there are a group of people translating documentation, also, you could help in your local user group
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[04:45:50] <KurtKraut> nachox, but do you think that OpenSolaris or a distro using OpenSolaris is usable enough for someone that is not a developer to do docs/translations ?
[04:46:42] <nachox> sure, it's not like noone is reviewing the translations
[04:46:54] <KurtKraut> I understand.
[04:46:55] <nachox> i hope :P
[04:47:10] <g4lt-mordant> nachox, aren't y9ou doing xlations? ;P
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[04:48:39] <nachox> g4lt-mordant, i translated a few docs, i also reported a typo or two to the docs community, hopefully i will be able to dedicate more time to it the next months
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[05:56:45] <chrisb17> Hello
[05:56:46] <cmn_err> hola, chrisb17.
[05:56:55] <chrisb17> how often are the beta's released?
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[05:57:05] <_mary_kate_> betas?  SXCE, you mean?
[05:57:12] <chrisb17> yeah.....
[05:57:18] <_mary_kate_> fortnightly
[05:57:23] <chrisb17> damn
[05:57:27] <chrisb17> now i know....
[05:57:46] <chrisb17> i have a slow net and i was downloading 1 os disk a night......
[05:58:04] <chrisb17> so i just noticed i have different b #'s
[06:00:00] <chrisb17> can i compile different b#'s and still make it work?
[06:00:08] <chrisb17> i have a 67,68,69......
[06:00:54] <_mary_kate_> unlikely
[06:01:48] <chrisb17> :(
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[06:04:41] <chrisb17> what is the difference from sxce and solaris 10?
[06:04:54] <_mary_kate_> sxce is newer, it's a preview release of solaris 11
[06:05:03] <_mary_kate_> its also unsupported
[06:05:17] <richlowe> DE is in theory supported, somehow.
[06:05:20] <richlowe> my guess is "Badly"
[06:05:23] <chrisb17> what de does s10 some with?
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[06:16:29] <Atomdrache> Unsupported.  That explains why I can't find the language CD localeadmn wants anywhere on the SXCE download page :S
[06:16:42] <Atomdrache> (localeadm that is)
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[07:07:22] <nnode> in may bug reports in bugs.opensolaris.org, description contains 'see comments'.  where can i get those comments from?
[07:07:59] <Doc> you cant - they are internal only
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[07:09:22] <richlowe> For the most part, what Doc said.
[07:09:41] <richlowe> or you ask an employee to fix the bug to not do that crap
[07:09:57] <Doc> probably easier to get a job with sun than to do that :)
[07:10:04] <nnode> if i want to fix the bug, how can i do without knowing the details?
[07:10:13] <Doc> what's the bug number?
[07:10:38] <Doc> i've applied for a job as a part-time janitor at sun, just so i can get access to internal sunsolve
[07:10:56] <nnode> #5065780
[07:11:37] <nnode> that means, unless i am in touch with SUN i can't get those details?
[07:11:39] <richlowe> Oh, that one is just fucking apalling.
[07:11:51] <richlowe> what kind of idiot tags one oss-bite-size and leaves it See Comments?
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[07:13:03] <Doc> yah.. that is fairly broken
[07:13:28] <Doc> although the description should be enough to work out what's going on anyway
[07:13:37] <Doc> just look for ENOENT in the source
[07:14:39] <nnode> Doc: ya, will look into the code. but still there are lot of other bugs also with 'see comments' that i came across while searching oss-bite-size bugs.
[07:15:15] <Doc> in this case it's because it's an old bug - it was a fairly common thing for ppl to do pre opensolaris
[07:15:18] * richlowe loses faith in humanity
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[07:15:38] <richlowe> Doc: Yeah, but tagging them bite-size without fixing them should be pretty clearly wrong to anyone and everyone.
[07:15:53] <Doc> based on the descrption it's possible that this could actually be one of those "possibly a DoS" style bugs, in which case it would be deliberate to put the details into the comments to hide them from the general public
[07:15:54] <blueandwhiteg3> How do I see total cpu usage, or idle cpu usage? prstat doesn't show stuff being eaten up by the kernel (i assume, raid-z/zfs/etc)
[07:16:08] <Doc> rich: odds are someone just didn't notice/didnt think of it
[07:17:05] <nnode> so, any bugs filed now a days are listed with proper comments!. right.
[07:17:14] <richlowe> In theory.
[07:17:19] <Doc> most are, yes
[07:17:26] <richlowe> we now have a nag script that automatically yells at people who don't, too.
[07:17:29] <Doc> unless the comments need to be kept private for some reason
[07:17:32] <richlowe> for the most part, they listen to it.
[07:17:42] <richlowe> Doc: it's not a matter of that.
[07:17:47] <Doc> eg, for that bug you listed the description might have customer details in it (eg, parts of a passwd file)
[07:17:55] <richlowe> Doc: there's a very, very limited number of cases where *everything* is so confidential that you can't say anything at all in description.
[07:18:14] <Doc> rich: agreed, but it's not uncommon to have half in each
[07:18:23] <richlowe> Yeah, that's fine though.
[07:18:37] <richlowe> either the description gives a good enough hint, or says enough to realize it's either boring or unfixable.
[07:19:08] <nnode> do sun have any plan of getting all commnets back to public for all old bugs ?
[07:19:19] <richlowe> that would be a monumental amount of effort.
[07:19:21] <richlowe> so no.
[07:20:06] <richlowe> that'd be at least 20,534 bugs to fix
[07:20:16] <nnode> my God. ;)
[07:20:25] <richlowe> (where 'fix' == 'use a useful description')
[07:21:23] <nnode> above all, we can't get the interactions also that is going on in-between the sponsor and developer .
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[07:22:15] <richlowe> there're innumerable reasons that b.o.o sucks.
[07:22:26] <richlowe> it's a matter of fixing or (more likely) replacing it.
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[07:24:36] <nnode> i am trying to map with bugzilla interface with opensolaris.
[07:25:00] <nnode> why can't sun have that kind of interface where one's updation is public to all.
[07:26:17] <nnode> see, ultimately the flexibility has to be given to the developers those are eager to fix. But the flexibility provided here doesn't look like bring mass to opensolaris community to fixing bugs.
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[07:28:42] <richlowe> as I said, b.o.o is absolutely awful, and everyone knows it. :)
[07:29:19] <richlowe> part of the problem is that the database it operates over (a read-only, partial, copy of), is used for every product Sun have, so fairly large amounts of the data is inherently not public.
[07:29:34] <richlowe> part is that with old bugs, at least some contain information that really is confidential.
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[07:30:30] <nnode> richlowe. sorry  i don't get what is 'w.o.o'. new to chatting.  ;)
[07:30:37] <richlowe> b.o.o == bugs.opensolaris.org
[07:30:40] <nnode> ;)
[07:31:11] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm still trying to figure out how to see total idle cpu time... prstat only shows processes
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[07:33:20] <nnode> richlowe: any plan in future aleast?
[07:34:42] <Doc> IBIS will fix everything
[07:44:07] <nnode> IBIS?
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[08:19:04] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: you can use vmstat to see total idle CPU time. Why was that value important?
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[08:20:23] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: Thanks. Not quite as nice a fluid prstat or top, but I guess it will do...
[08:20:34] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: it matters because zfs/raid-z stuffs are not shown in prstat
[08:21:49] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: it depends - they can be shown in prstat, but not in an obvious way
[08:21:49] <blueandwhiteg3> especially if using compression, the cpu usage can be very considerable
[08:21:59] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: oh, how are they shown?
[08:22:34] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: given a few minutes I'd check it out; but my guesses beforehand would be:
[08:22:47] <brendang> compression/zfs overhead during reads are shown by the SYS column of prstat -m
[08:23:03] <brendang> compression/zfs overhead during writes won't be shown by prstat at all.
[08:23:31] <brendang> I'd need to check this out using DTrace.
[08:23:48] <brendang> and there are possible edge cases.
[08:23:51] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: yeah, that's the issue... writes
[08:24:08] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: cool.
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[08:24:20] <blueandwhiteg3> when you are getting >100 MB/sec, the cpu usage can become something to consider
[08:25:00] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: I'm glad you have noticed this problem; I think that prstat/top can be misleading regarding "total" CPU usage - since it is really process CPU usage.
[08:25:30] <richlowe> and even then, it sometimes misses.
[08:25:32] <blueandwhiteg3> yes, it is rather annoying, coming from other OSes
[08:25:45] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: yes. I took a look at ZFS compression overhead a number of months ago using DTrace - but can't remember what I did now
[08:25:47] <blueandwhiteg3> I'd really like a simple activity monitor setup that gives me total cpu, I/O, etc
[08:26:17] <blueandwhiteg3> I never realized how much I used such tools to optimize regular usage until i visited solaris where they were not so familiar / easily accessed
[08:26:18] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: writing such a tool has been on my todo list for years. I've been calling it the "Grand Unified CPU Usage Tool"
[08:26:27] <richlowe> needs a better acronym.
[08:26:32] <brendang> yup
[08:26:39] <dlg> gusset
[08:26:58] <richlowe> Hrm, pronounced that way, my opinion changes.
[08:27:51] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: so, to get a rough sampled idea of where the kernel is spending time, use: dtrace -n 'profile-1234 { @[stack()] = count(); }'
[08:28:10] <kito> crap, is there not any workaround for #6577516?
[08:28:23] <blueandwhiteg3> I'd really like to be able to analyze compression throughput
[08:28:34] <brendang> richlowe: RE prstat/top sometimes misses: Yes! especially short-lived processes.
[08:28:37] <blueandwhiteg3> like, if zfs could compress to /dev/null
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[08:28:51] <richlowe> brendang: we've had this discussion several times. :)
[08:28:56] <brendang> richlowe: yep :)
[08:29:01] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: still waiting around on dtrace
[08:29:08] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: hit Ctrl-C
[08:29:11] <Gman> g'day brendang
[08:29:16] <brendang> Gman: G'Day
[08:29:27] <brendang> Gman: still in Portland?
[08:29:46] <Gman> down in mpk, w hotel, in newark
[08:30:03] <brendang> Gman: whereis newark?
[08:30:28] <richlowe> nottinghamshire.
[08:30:31] <richlowe> ;)
[08:30:42] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: well, this is interesting but overkill
[08:30:52] <brendang> ... confusing American geography
[08:31:39] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: you can reduce the stack lengths by providing a value "stack(5)"
[08:32:52] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: it is overkill. you just want ZFS compression time? DTrace can be customized to provide just that.
[08:33:29] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: i'd like to actually benchmark zfs, rather than just noting the time spent... though with accurate throughput and cpu usage sampling, i could extrapolate
[08:34:14] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: for benchmarking, check out tools such as "filebench" for applying configurable loads
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[08:34:54] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: i know how to benchmark I/O, i want to isolate *just* the compression... though that's a separate issue
[08:35:23] <Gman> brendang, far side of dumbarton bridge, near mpk
[08:35:28] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: ok, then DTrace can measure just the compression overhead.
[08:35:59] <blueandwhiteg3> i want xray for solaris :)
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[08:37:28] <krithika> hello all can u point me to link from where i can download solaris build 68 google didn help me much
[08:37:55] <e^ipi> opensolaris.org/sxce_dvd
[08:38:14] <e^ipi> that'll get you the latest nevada ( solaris express: community edition ) build
[08:38:29] <kito> seems osol.o is down again?
[08:38:38] <kito> source browser is giving 500
[08:39:01] <e^ipi> well so it is
[08:39:17] <krithika> so wat do i so ?
[08:39:20] <krithika> *do
[08:39:41] <e^ipi> note to self, when looking for colo, avoid interNIC
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[08:39:53] <kito> hehe
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[08:39:54] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: what about xray do you like?
[08:40:13] <e^ipi> stevel, you broke os.o /AGAIN/ ?!
[08:40:36] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: graphical presentation?
[08:40:37] <stevel> wasn't me
[08:40:44] <stevel> some fucktard blew a circuit breaker at 365main
[08:40:57] <e^ipi> drunken reject on a rampage again?
[08:41:06] <stevel> i'm not real happy at having to wake up to tend this shit
[08:41:47] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: anything specifically good about graphical presentation?
[08:42:47] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: I'm not developing software, I'm just trying to get a solid sense of how things are flowing, tweak, review, etc..
[08:43:00] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: such as... easy to find things to measure.. or being able to recognize patterns in plotted data.. or having ceilings/maximums...?
[08:43:36] <blueandwhiteg3> to some extent, ease of things being there, yes, but moreover, patterns and flow is much easier to capture graphically, at least for me
[08:43:59] <e^ipi> stevel, no, it's a shitty situation
[08:44:32] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: fair enough
[08:45:15] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: I'm trying to get a sense of flow, like when working with equipment you get some kind continuous feedback... vibration, airflow, noise, whatever... computers tend to lack that
[08:46:02] <blueandwhiteg3> for example, on OS X i almost always have activity monitor.app open, watching disk / network or whatever I am doing that is intensive and potentially a point of optimization
[08:46:33] <blueandwhiteg3> I tweak things and even shape my usage patterns to match... it's almost automatic at this point
[08:46:46] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: I don't know monitor.app - can you tell me what it is showing? Kbytes? service times?
[08:47:52] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: anyway, here's a little one-liner I just wrote to measure ZFS compression CPU times by operation - and to plot the output in a distribution plot:
[08:48:01] <e^ipi> i find that actual quantifiable deltas like what dtrace gives you are far more accuare than pretty pictures
[08:48:16] <e^ipi> pretty pictures allow you to introduce patterns that don't exist in to the interpretation
[08:48:35] <blueandwhiteg3> aghh
[08:48:48] <brendang> # dtrace -n 'fbt::lzjb*:entry { self->vstart = vtimestamp; } fbt::lzjb*:return /self->vstart/ { @[probefunc] = quantize(vtimestamp - self->vstart); self->vstart = 0; }'
[08:48:49] <blueandwhiteg3> I can't start an irc post with / haha
[08:48:50] <e^ipi> the human brain is a heuristic pattern matching circuit. the heuristic part is what makes it troublesome
[08:49:34] <blueandwhiteg3> The application is at /Applications/Utilities/Activity Monitor.app
[08:49:50] <Gman> stevel, doh!
[08:49:57] <blueandwhiteg3> It is not perfect, but it has network throughput on a chart that shows the peak scale at the top in whatever units are appropriate
[08:50:20] <blueandwhiteg3> It shows total data in / out for network, disk and shows instantaneous values, plus makes a nice graph
[08:50:31] <stevel> gman: yeah. 365main has not given me a lot of confidence this week
[08:50:35] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: the output of that oneliner shows times in nanoseconds, in various buckets (4096 - 8192 ns, etc). DTrace lets you fetch this data in other ways too.
[08:50:48] <richlowe> stevel: shit.
[08:50:55] <stevel> 20 minutes after i fell asleep too
[08:50:59] <stevel> :-P
[08:51:08] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: That's interesting, though I don't know how to relate that to the total CPU usage
[08:51:11] <Gman> go to sleep, screw the rest of the world :)
[08:51:12] <richlowe> stevel: you need to nominate someone else to deal with this crap
[08:51:13] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: yes, what does "data" mean for disk - bytes? times? ops?
[08:51:23] <richlowe> stevel: and hey look, Gman's awake, and generally in an antipodean timezone.
[08:51:24] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: I'll show you
[08:51:31] <richlowe> though these days "generally" maybe a little too strong a term.
[08:51:31] <stevel> gman is in my timezone :)
[08:51:38] <richlowe> stevel: "generally"
[08:51:41] <stevel> for the moment anyway
[08:51:44] <stevel> yeah
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[08:52:20] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: uhhh - you said you wanted to extrapolate CPU compression times. So giving you distribution plots so you can figure out the average time per operation, should help with those extrapolations.
[08:52:47] <richlowe> compression is always going to be a tradeoff against larger disk reads, as far as perf goes.
[08:53:02] <blueandwhiteg3> brendang: I should be able to change out gzip for lzjb in that command?
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[08:53:43] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: you are using the ZFS gzip compression instead?
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[08:54:17] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: yes - try gzip instead.
[08:54:19] <e^ipi> the gzip compression is slow
[08:54:23] <brendang> yes.
[08:54:40] <e^ipi> lzjb vs uncompressed on my machines is faster, but gzip is slower
[08:55:34] <blueandwhiteg3> e^ipi: That seems to be my observation
[08:55:43] <krithika> give me the ans
[08:55:50] <krithika> nippaaatu
[08:56:10] <e^ipi> ?
[08:56:15] <krithika> ?
[08:56:31] <krithika> sorry it was wrongly typed
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[08:56:51] <e^ipi> okie, whatever
[08:57:25] <brendang> blueandwhiteg3: those DTrace commands (or something very similar) were used during the development of the ZFS gzip algorithm.
[08:58:36] <blueandwhiteg3> Yes, it seems gzip is horribly slow
[08:59:58] <brendang> yes. we knew that. gzip is gzip - it's not the implementation, it's gzip.
[09:02:19] <blueandwhiteg3> I wonder if there's anything between gzip and lzjb in terms of speed/compression
[09:02:35] <blueandwhiteg3> How well does the compression thread?
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[09:04:22] <stevel> nice. re: wednesday's outage, it looks like 365main had 4 out of 10 generators fail
[09:04:23] <blueandwhiteg3> It would be particularly interesting to see some kind of compression that is adaptable, spending more time when there's cpu time, and less time when there's less cpu
[09:05:31] <stevel> ?The World?s Finest Data Centers? my ass
[09:05:47] <Gman> best approach joyent :)
[09:06:42] <stevel> not a bad idea
[09:06:55] <stevel> though they would shudder at the shape of our machines
[09:07:13] <e^ipi> did you carve them in to funny animal shapes?
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[09:07:55] <Fish-> hello
[09:09:03] <e^ipi> yo
[09:13:53] <sle> if i wanted to create a private network between non-global zones on a machine, what would be the best way to go about that?
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[09:14:24] <sle> should i use a VLAN in the global zone and give each of the non-global zones an interface on that VLAN?
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[09:20:53] <kito> can anyone verify that postgres actually works in build 69?
[09:21:04] <kito> totally borken in 68a :(
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[09:39:31] <sickness> morning all
[09:40:08] <FireflyST> hi
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[09:52:41] <palowoda> kito: Did you mean 64a?
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[11:32:15] <coffman> something wrong with the sdlc?
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[11:35:19] <coffman> 40kb, thats a bad joke
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[11:36:09] <coffman> now pls, some one come around and tell me again that it is a good idea to have to download the whole dvd just for an update ffs
[11:36:27] <coffman> (no, bfu does not count)
[11:41:44] <WickedWicky> you get a free coffee with every ISO you download
[11:42:03] <WickedWicky> and to make you feel better, I did the same yessterday
[11:42:16] <WickedWicky> you never know what breaks during a fresh install or update
[11:42:43] <WickedWicky> eventhough I am wondering if just recompiling the latest ON sources would be enough
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[11:43:33] <st3fan> hm coffee
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[11:43:57] <WickedWicky> lol
[11:44:15] <WickedWicky> alright people, I am off for the weekend
[11:44:17] <WickedWicky> have a good one
[11:44:21] <WickedWicky> see you all on monday
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[11:46:08] <coffman> yeah, nice some one gets off the cabel
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[12:37:10] <FireflyST> holy shit is mplayer a huge build
[12:38:03] <sickness> I think it is...
[12:38:37] <sickness> last I've tried, it took a LOT of time, even on an amd64 3200+ with 2gb ram...
[12:39:06] <FireflyST> well it failed once already with an error I can't google
[12:40:08] <FireflyST> the sparc is quite ass kicking when it comes to compile time
[12:41:02] <sickness> well I've too old sparcs to judge...
[12:41:54] <FireflyST> I have a Sun Blade 2000
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[13:06:56] <anilg> Hi, pidgin in SX 69 has only 5 protocol support... no Jabber !?
[13:08:35] <anilg> Yahoo, AIM, MSN, ICQ, IRC, groupwise... whatever happend to the others? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)
[13:08:48] <anilg> Submit I a Bug/ RFE ?
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[13:38:35] <Tempt> So, who here is using an iPod on Solaris?
[13:42:17] <trochej> Tempt: I believe kaiwai was
[13:43:18] <Tempt> Heh
[13:43:28] <coffman> Tempt: consult the usb faq on sun.com
[13:43:31] <Tempt> I'm not looking for a rant, I'm looking for an even-handed report on how well it works.
[13:43:40] <trochej> Tempt: :)
[13:44:11] <Tempt> Kaiwai's naysaying and rants didn't seem to be based on technical factors, just whining emo-ism.
[13:45:21] <trochej> Tempt: You didn't ask for a level headed person, you asked if anyone was using it
[13:45:26] <trochej> Tempt: I gave you right answer
[13:46:58] <coffman> hmpf. i got serious problems with b67, xfce and copy&paste
[13:54:50] <JWheeler> I have one, on sx65, solaris doesn't seem to be able to mount it
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[13:55:29] <JWheeler> interestingly, I have another that it does mount. The older one was used for some ipodlinux experiments a while ago, and I assume it has a slightly different FAT version as a result
[13:55:54] <JWheeler> Solaris will mount that one, but I still can't use it as an ipod to add music, it's just treated as USB storage
[13:58:38] <anilg> JWheeler: did you try rmformat after you plugged in the unmountable one?
[13:58:57] <anilg> if it's listed in there, you can format and mount it.
[13:59:23] <JWheeler> I think I did, it was seeing the device, but I believe the issue was that the solaris vfat is somewhat lacking, hence it couldn't mount it
[13:59:38] <JWheeler> I don't know that I want to format it...?
[14:01:04] <anilg> hmm.. you could probably try formatting it from Solaris, and see if it's still recognized by Linux/Sindows/itunes...
[14:01:25] <anilg> if yes you can keep that formattign and have it accessible across all OSes
[14:01:35] <anilg> Windows*
[14:02:04] <JWheeler> I think you had it right the first time :)
[14:02:14] <JWheeler> True, that's an option
[14:02:51] <JWheeler> When I get more motivated, I may give it a try. For now I only use the ipod for running, and I've not worked my way through all the songs currently on there just yet
[14:04:11] <anilg> say.. are you the blastwave mplayer guy?
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[14:05:07] <JWheeler> I am, yes
[14:05:39] <anilg> /anilg has to stop cribbing about xv extensions in SX
[14:05:42] <JWheeler> wow, that must be a first.... I'm a celebrity! *cough*
[14:06:18] <JWheeler> yeah... I wish I could help there
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[14:06:56] <JWheeler> I'm presently working on a way to optimise mplayer with ISAEXEC, so that we can have faster binaries
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[14:36:09] <sickness> JWheeler: hey I don't know if you care about compliments but I use it every day and it works like a charm!!! :)))
[14:36:36] <JWheeler> flattery will get you everywhere :)
[14:36:41] <JWheeler> you use my mplayer?
[14:37:25] <sickness> well I don't know, I use the blastwave's installed one
[14:37:40] <JWheeler> ah, that will be my predecessor
[14:37:51] <JWheeler> my one isn't officially part of the package list yet
[14:38:41] <sickness> oh, k
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[14:42:32] <Tempt> JWheeler: Is your build available anywhere?
[14:43:07] <JWheeler> The current revision of it can be found in www.blastwave.com/testing/
[14:43:38] <JWheeler> I think that one still has some w32codecs options in there, but otherwise should be complete
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[16:27:15] <trochej> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/27/426
[16:27:24] <trochej> One of reasons I lost my love for Linux
[16:27:26] <trochej> Linus' ego
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[16:28:01] <trochej> If he had a dick size half of his ego, he would be a porn star never to be matched by anyone
[16:28:02] <cmn_err> <trochej> SURPRISE!!!! I AM CUDDLING YOUR TODDLER'S BALLS
[16:28:30] <Tempt> Man, that bot needs to be removed.
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[16:31:46] <trochej> Tempt: I can live with it. And I'd really be happy to see it TRY cuddling mu toddler's balls. The last person that did left with a wonderful bite on their hand. :)
[16:32:05] <Tempt> heh
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[16:32:58] <Tempt> The bot's beginning to annoy me a little though.
[16:33:10] <Tempt> cmn_err: You suck, bot.
[16:33:11] <cmn_err> Tempt: excuse me?
[16:33:26] <Tempt> cmn_err: That's right, you suck.
[16:33:27] <cmn_err> Tempt: huh?
[16:33:33] <Tempt> cmn_err: Huh!
[16:33:34] <cmn_err> Tempt: i'm not following you...
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[16:41:10] <trochej> :)
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[16:47:02] <ACT> Hey
[16:47:17] <ACT>
[16:47:37] <ACT> I saw a post about the new build but there is no link
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[16:50:04] <ACT> sorry , don't worry found it
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[17:18:45] <trochej> Is there a way to use two monitor in laptop in SXCE so that the builtin shows differebnt desktop than the external monitor?
[17:18:49] <trochej> I use gdm
[17:18:54] <trochej> If that changes anything
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[17:25:04] <tomww> trochej: dual-screen in clone-mode is mot time w/o config possible, just re-login and Xorg should detect hte external monitor (e.g. a projector).
[17:25:27] <tomww> if you like dual-screen in other modes, you have to do some config in xorg.conf
[17:25:37] <tomww> what graphics-card?
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[17:32:53] <trochej> tomww: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
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[17:42:16] <tomww> ok, I think you should boot in non-graphics-mode ( add "-s" to grub's kernel line )
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[17:43:10] <tomww> and call Xorg -confgure   - this stores an ~root/xorg.conf file you can copy to /etc/X11 and put the required settings for your desktop in.
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[17:44:35] <trochej> tomww: Thanx, I'll try it
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[17:46:52] <tomww> good luck :-)
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[18:08:26] <ACT> hey
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[18:08:42] <edwardoc> whos alive here?
[18:08:48] <tomww> we are
[18:09:02] <tomww> as as you are not a irc-bot...
[18:09:05] <tomww> :-)
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[18:11:16] <edwardoc> i am not a bot
[18:11:23] <edwardoc> i am R2D2
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[18:11:36] <edwardoc> haha EOF
[18:12:23] <tomww> :-)
[18:12:36] <edwardoc> yea anyway
[18:13:51] <edwardoc> I just wanted to find out how much of a task it would be for optimization of the SunOS kernel on the Cell BBE
[18:14:32] <edwardoc> just the bear mins..
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[18:18:02] <Jondice> well, how is "polaris" coming?
[18:18:21] <Jondice> I'm curious about that as well
[18:23:49] <edwardoc> there site has been down for ages???
[18:23:54] <edwardoc> as far as i know
[18:25:08] <edwardoc>
[18:25:45] <edwardoc> there is a opensolaris project called power_pc
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[18:27:19] <edwardoc> I should ask dclarke about it
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[18:46:04] <edwardoc> right ; off to bed i go
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[19:00:17] <CIA-26> kchow: 6585487 Incorrect handling of multiple mnodes in a given memseg impacts memory on Primepower systems
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[20:08:59] <axisys> when I first booted my sun fire x4200 m2 i got this warning
[20:09:00] <axisys> WARNING: BIOS microcode patch for AMD Athlo
[20:09:13] <axisys> do I need to patch it? where do I get this patch
[20:09:57] <quasi> axisys: where you get all other patches most likely
[20:10:46] <axisys> quasi: funny some articles says it is a wrong warning.. so your comment implies I need the patch
[20:11:29] <axisys> sunsolve is soooo slow
[20:11:43] <oxygene> axisys: read like "warning, a patch was installed" - maybe they wanted to help debugging issues with microcode updates?
[20:13:04] <axisys> this is the exact warning i get
[20:13:07] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/A5QoKL34.html
[20:13:22] <axisys> plus i have a 3300 attached to it.. but the format does not see it
[20:13:28] <axisys> wonder if they are related
[20:16:17] <axisys> i will get the cam manager .. hopefully that will help to see the 3300 :-(
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[20:27:38] <axisys> sun installation cd is only if i want to install non-solaris os ..correct?
[20:28:48] <axisys> also is it recommend to run sunvts on a new x4200 m2?
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[21:12:19] <_mary_kate_> is there an rfe to make cron support vixie's */n syntax?
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[21:17:57] <oxygene> @reboot would be cool, too
[21:18:22] <_mary_kate_> yes
[21:18:53] <kito> does sxde 64a not have the zfs boot bits?
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[21:20:26] <kito> apparently not
[21:20:31] <kito> crap
[21:29:48] <oxygene> kito: I'm quite sure it has - but no installer support for it
[21:30:42] <sickness> damn, I've a liveupgrade stuck :/
[21:31:00] <sickness> it's strange, I've updated 2 identical machines, one went ok, the other is stuck since this afternoon :/
[21:31:03] <sickness> The Solaris upgrade of the boot environment <snv69> is complete.
[21:31:06] <sickness> Installing failsafe
[21:31:06] <sickness> here and not moving
[21:31:53] <kito> oxygene hrm, I got it working fine with sxcr 68, can't get it to boot using sxde
[21:32:02] <kito> I'll keep digging
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[21:36:23] <oxygene> kito: b63 has a zfs module for grub
[21:36:40] <oxygene> kito: maybe your ondisk zfs version is higher than the one supported by b64a?
[21:37:17] <kito> oxygene this is fresh format/install, used the script tim foster wrote
[21:37:46] <kito> its getting past the grub menu, tries to load the kernel, then just reboots
[21:38:12] <_mary_kate_> boot -kv
[21:38:32] <_mary_kate_> it's probably giving a 'cannot mount root' error
[21:39:49] <kito> boot -kv at the grub prompt?
[21:39:59] <kito> sorry for silly question...
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[21:43:14] <sle> axisys: we used to get that message on our v40z too
[21:44:02] <sle> sun came out with a bios update for the v40z that addressed that issue, so you might want to check if there's a similar update for your system
[21:44:47] <sle> my understanding is that solaris implements a software workaround for the issue, though
[21:45:12] <_mary_kate_> kito: edit the 'kernel' line and add '-kv' to the end
[21:45:38] <kito> _mary_kate_ thanks I got it, and you were right, 'cannont mount root path'
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[21:53:00] <oxygene> kito: is the bootfs property of your pool setup correctly?
[21:53:33] <_setuid_H> sorry you're speaking about zfs boot
[21:53:43] <_setuid_H> could you specify your problem to me?
[21:53:46] <_setuid_H> I just arrived
[21:53:54] <kito> oxygene yeah its set correctly
[21:54:25] <kito> _setuid_HI'm trying boot sxde 64a, and getting 'cannot mount root path'
[21:54:37] <kito> _setuid_H I used tim fosters script to set it up
[21:54:56] <_setuid_H> well
[21:54:59] <_setuid_H> use my
[21:55:00] <kito> I have another machine rnning sxcr 68 and its working ok, the machiens are identical
[21:55:00] <_setuid_H> :-)
[21:55:07] <kito> wheres yours?
[21:55:10] <kito> I will try!
[21:55:13] <_setuid_H> www.solarisdiary.blogspot.com
[21:55:16] <_setuid_H> but no script
[21:55:19] <_setuid_H> just howto
[21:55:19] <_setuid_H> :-)
[21:55:22] <kito> thats fine
[21:55:28] <_setuid_H> ok
[21:55:29] <_setuid_H> well
[21:55:36] <_setuid_H> we should do it step by step
[21:55:38] <_setuid_H> no problem
[21:55:51] <_setuid_H> but sorry for my english :-)
[21:55:54] <_setuid_H> just student
[21:56:01] <kito> I've done it manually following sintructions on osol.o as well
[21:56:11] <kito> this is the first time I've ha a problem
[21:56:15] <_setuid_H> well
[21:56:16] <kito> s/ha/had/
[21:56:21] <_setuid_H> what about compression
[21:56:28] <kito> it is edisabled
[21:56:29] <_setuid_H> it must be turned of
[21:56:30] <_setuid_H> ok
[21:56:45] <_setuid_H> and did you editet new vfstab file ?
[21:56:52] <_setuid_H> to mout at boot = no
[21:56:55] <kito> yes
[21:56:57] <_setuid_H> mount at boot
[21:57:10] <_setuid_H> well
[21:57:27] <kito> syspool/rootfs - / zfs - no -
[21:57:32] <_setuid_H> aha
[21:57:37] <_setuid_H> well
[21:57:38] <kito> ?
[21:57:55] <_setuid_H> what about /boot/grub/.../filelist.ramdisk
[21:58:07] <_setuid_H> did you add line etc/zfs/zpool.cache?
[22:00:06] <_setuid_H> maybe
[22:00:10] <_setuid_H> your grub.conf
[22:00:15] <_setuid_H> is on the right place?
[22:00:22] <_setuid_H> and right parameters?
[22:00:26] <kito> it is
[22:00:39] <kito> the menu is correct, and seems to have the correct entries
[22:00:40] <kito> yes
[22:00:43] <_setuid_H> ok
[22:00:48] <kito> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS,console=text
[22:01:07] <kito> wonder if it doesn't like the console entry
[22:01:14] <kito> dunno why that would mess it up though
[22:01:17] <_setuid_H> and is
[22:01:27] <_setuid_H> I had the some problem
[22:01:30] <_setuid_H> months ago
[22:01:39] <_setuid_H> it was problem with HEALTH STATUS
[22:01:58] <_setuid_H> can you check it via zpool list -iv
[22:02:01] <_setuid_H> or zfs list
[22:02:08] <_setuid_H> just zpool list
[22:02:09] <_setuid_H> sorry
[22:02:32] <kito> its `ONLINE`
[22:02:35] <kito> no errors
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[22:02:57] <_setuid_H> hmmm
[22:03:41] <_setuid_H> on my pc console=text caused that keyboard was unusable
[22:03:49] <_setuid_H> it's allright on your?
[22:03:54] <_setuid_H> yours
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[22:03:58] <kito> yes, seems fine
[22:04:10] <kito> I will try removing it just for fun
[22:04:14] <kito> see what happens
[22:04:45] <_setuid_H> ok
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[22:04:58] <_setuid_H> just more letters on screen :-)
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[22:07:56] <kito> hrm, no change
[22:08:12] <kito> let me try hardcoding a root directive in the grub menu
[22:08:58] <_setuid_H> ok
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[22:09:33] <axisys> sle: thnx
[22:09:44] <sle> sure
[22:10:20] <sle> the message originally sent some of our admins into a panic :P
[22:11:31] <_setuid_H> the best result is to try clone rootfs and try it again
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[22:16:59] <_setuid_H> kito: what method did you choose to dump ufs files to zfs
[22:17:06] <_setuid_H> tar or ufsdump?
[22:17:35] <kito> cpio actually
[22:17:48] <_setuid_H> try to use ufsdump
[22:17:49] <kito> find . -xdev -depth -print | cpio -pvdm /zfsroot
[22:18:03] <kito> this exact process has worked for me several times
[22:18:06] <_setuid_H> it's on my page
[22:18:13] <_setuid_H> try it and you'll se
[22:18:14] <_setuid_H> e
[22:18:16] <kito> ok
[22:20:11] <kito> _setuid_H have you done this successfuly on sxde 64a?
[22:20:41] <_setuid_H> 64 yes but not de
[22:20:46] <_setuid_H> now 66 ok
[22:20:53] <_setuid_H> before 62 ok
[22:21:08] <kito> the only thing that has changed for me is using sxde
[22:21:32] <_setuid_H> well i think that the only one change is more testing and studio12 ...
[22:21:35] <kito> I have another machine running zfsroot on sxcr 68a no problems
[22:21:49] <kito> yeah, I would think the boot bits were the same
[22:22:06] <_setuid_H> more marketing than coding ... :-)
[22:22:13] <kito> hehe
[22:22:35] <kito> postgresql is broken on current cr though
[22:22:50] <kito> thats the only rason I want de 64 right now
[22:22:51] <_setuid_H> well jds is broken all the time :-)
[22:23:01] <_setuid_H> partitialy of course :-)
[22:23:06] <kito> thats inherent brokenness
[22:23:11] <kito> I don't use that anyway
[22:23:16] <_setuid_H> try new 69 and you'll see
[22:23:29] <_setuid_H> i would like to use fluxbox as on gentoo
[22:23:40] <_setuid_H> but everytime crashs
[22:23:44] <kito> no, the bug that kills postgres didn't get fixed in 69 either
[22:23:48] <kito> afaik I know anyway
[22:23:49] <_setuid_H> ok
[22:24:56] <_setuid_H> download ./configure && make && make install :-)
[22:25:05] <kito> no, its a kernel bug
[22:25:08] <_setuid_H> ok
[22:25:14] <coffman> hm, is gnu seq in
[22:25:18] <coffman> sx now
[22:25:21] <coffman> ?
[22:25:23] <richlowe> coffman: yes.
[22:25:32] <coffman> richlowe: since when?
[22:25:47] <richlowe> since whenever GNU coreutils went into /usr/gnu
[22:25:49] <oasnebi> i've got a 3Com 90XX LAN driver 1.37 loaded as per modinfo | grep elxl. a little while ago, i pulled the ethernet cable straight out of the computer and plugged another computer with it. before, i was able to use opensolaris only on the intranet, but not the internet. so my question is two-fold: does taking the ethernet cable out of the computer affect anything and how do i get connected to the internet (i am behind a router, and before the pulling of th
[22:25:51] <richlowe> sfwnv_67?
[22:27:03] <coffman> oxygene: point
[22:27:32] <oxygene> coffman: hm?
[22:27:45] <oxygene> ah, seq..
[22:28:01] <_setuid_H> well bye ... tiding up
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[22:28:35] <oxygene> which consolidation does /usr/gnu come from?
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[22:29:52] <richlowe> sfw
[22:30:00] <richlowe> hence sfwnv_67 ;)
[22:31:22] <oxygene> ah, okay.. I wanted to ignore that anyway - sfw doesn't contain any dependable interface it seems, so it shouldn't be too bad
[22:33:18] <oxygene> thanks
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[23:05:02] <axisys> i have 3300 jbod attached to my x4200 but i dont see it in format.. i rand devfsadm and still dont see it
[23:05:06] <axisys> anyone can help
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[23:06:19] <oasnebi> any ideas?
[23:06:22] <nachox> evening
[23:10:49] <oasnebi> hello
[23:17:43] <oasnebi> also, out of the box, opensolaris didn't support my sound card (AC97). is this a known problem? i googled around and found http://www.tools.de/opensource/solaris/audio/beta/
[23:17:56] <oasnebi> is that the prefered way of handling intel ICH* chipsets?
[23:19:52] <_mary_kate_> oasnebi: that, or OSS (www.opensound.com), which will probably be integrated into solaris shortly anyway
[23:20:42] <oasnebi> _mary_kate_: is that the commercial OSS that i hear is so much better than gnu/linux's ALSA?
[23:20:50] <_mary_kate_> yes
[23:20:56] <oasnebi> ah, wonderful, when is that scheduled?
[23:20:57] <_mary_kate_> apparently they're going to open source it or something
[23:21:05] <_mary_kate_> (there was some drama about the licensing, but i've not been following it)
[23:21:08] <_mary_kate_> i don't know off hand
[23:21:10] <oasnebi> wow, this is big news to me, i'm heading right over to that site :)
[23:21:25] <oasnebi> "OSS v4.0 is finally Open Sourced!"
[23:21:29] <nachox> keep in mind that if you install their package, you have to either buy a license or reinstall the package every 6 months
[23:21:39] <_mary_kate_> nachox: really?  i thought they'd changed that :(
[23:21:56] <nachox> _mary_kate_, not that i know of
[23:22:10] <nachox> ask me again in 4 months :)
[23:22:11] <_mary_kate_> oh well, maybe they will now it's open source :)
[23:22:19] <oasnebi> reinstall the package every 6 months meaning... reboot once every six months? (i've been trying to figure out why installing a kernel module (what do opensolaris folks call that anyway?) require reboot)
[23:22:22] <_mary_kate_> i think i get around it by installing some unofficial 4.0 beta which didn't have that restriction
[23:22:47] <_mary_kate_> oasnebi: it doesn't, it depends on what the module is.
[23:22:54] <nachox> what? you dont need to reboot
[23:22:55] <_mary_kate_> replacing an existing module might do, you see that with patches
[23:23:07] <_mary_kate_> e.g. you can't really unload ufs :)
[23:23:39] <nachox> well, the install instructions tell you to reboot if you're replacing the drivers, that is right
[23:24:36] <oasnebi> whoa, now that OSS is OSS, i wonder if it'll get integrated back into gnu/linux
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[23:25:25] <nachox> ask in the lkml :)
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[23:26:01] <trochej> Not much chances
[23:26:18] <trochej> It was said, that alsa is so much superior
[23:26:23] <nachox> maybe you could distract them from the ck argument
[23:26:28] <trochej> :)
[23:27:19] <oasnebi> hehe, i think the ck argument should be reserved for time sink channels like #politics
[23:27:21] <trochej> nachox: Sadly, I belive that Con distracted them enough
[23:27:39] <trochej> oasnebi: LKML is an alias for #politics
[23:27:48] <trochej> Or, at least, #Linus'Politics
[23:28:24] <nachox> leave linus issues to linux related channels, just laugh at them when you can like i do
[23:32:38] <trochej> nachox: I used Linux since 1997, so it's quite difficult to just let go
[23:33:10] <sle> heh, i run the lug here on campus, and i'm starting to feel that solaris may be a better OS
[23:33:20] <_mary_kate_> change it into a sug
[23:33:21] <cmn_err> _mary_kate_: that doesn't look right
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[23:33:44] <nachox> hahaha
[23:33:47] <sle> there's only a handful of solaris people here :/
[23:33:55] <g4lt-mordant> trochej, until some design decisions get made on technical merits rather than whining, linux is going to suck
[23:34:08] <sle> you'd think berkeley have more bsd users...
[23:34:30] <nachox> _mary_kate_, a moralist bots we have these days
[23:34:38] <trochej> g4lt-mordant: That is the main reason I switched to solaris
[23:35:13] <trochej> g4lt-mordant: That, and some observation on the work of servers running different oses in one of our biggest isps here
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[23:37:40] <nachox> brb :)
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[23:38:10] <trochej> Anyone here running postfix on Solaris?
[23:38:25] <_mary_kate_> trochej: i was until recently
[23:38:53] <asyd> me
[23:39:09] <trochej> Any special requirememnts to get it run?
[23:39:17] <_mary_kate_> not that i remember
[23:39:25] <_mary_kate_> pretty much compile, install and it works
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[23:42:25] <trochej> okay
[23:44:01] <sle> i think ben rockwood has a basic SMF manifest for postfix somewhere on his site
[23:44:34] <nachox> i wish solaris included postfix by default...
[23:45:17] <sle> btw, has anyone ever seen this error from svcs?
[23:45:23] <sle> svcs: svcs.c:335: Unexpected libscf error: invalid argument.  Exiting.
[23:45:51] <sle> we're getting it on a solaris 10u1 system, and it's totally tripping me out
[23:46:30] <sle> SMF seems to work for the most part, but calling svcs -x on a service generates that error
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[23:49:20] <nachox> dtrace it to see what argument it is that is causing the error?
[23:49:36] * sle doesn't possess dtrace-fu :/
[23:50:16] <nachox> check the dtrace toolkit, im sure there is one that does what you want
[23:51:59] <trochej> Hmmm
[23:52:04] <trochej> A though just occured to me
[23:52:14] <trochej> Jul 28 22:20:08 damian-laptop rtls: [ID 436804 kern.warning] WARNING: : chip reset fail.
[23:52:43] <trochej> If I treid to rise that interface, I could attach a dtrace probe and try to find out at which moment it fails adn with what and when
[23:52:46] <trochej> Or something
[23:52:59] * trochej rummages through his dusty Documents to look for dtrace guide
[23:53:10] <trochej> I think that would mean see you later :)
[23:53:54] * trochej talking about obvious choices





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