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[00:43:21] *** karrotx has quit IRC [00:44:09] <nachox> is the name actually meaningfull? [00:44:22] *** laca has quit IRC [00:44:47] <sommerfeld> it's the maximum number of thread-executing-entities [00:45:08] <richlowe> which in practice, is the largest integer ID thereof [00:45:14] <richlowe> and not a reflection of how many of them there may be. [00:45:20] <sommerfeld> right. some hardware has sparse cpuids [00:45:40] <sommerfeld> (dual core starcat & serengeti in particular) [00:46:13] <zooko> Sigh. [00:46:22] <nachox> i dont think i follow [00:46:24] <zooko> Using umem debug makes the core dump go away. I hate computers. [00:46:33] <zooko> Anybody planning to port valgrind? [00:46:56] <zooko> I've used around half-a-dozen memory debuggers over the years, including several generations of Purify, and I have to say that valgrind beats them all hands-down. [00:47:18] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [00:47:23] <zooko> This would probably be a good time to learn DTRACE, but actually I need to be home to my wife in 13 minutes, so I guess it'll have to wait. [00:47:27] <zooko> Thanks for everything, folks. [00:47:47] <zooko> I have mostly persuaded my partner to name our makefile "GNUmakefile" in order to make it easier on non-default-gnumake-users. [00:48:02] <zooko> But since we currently don't have any non-default-gnumake-users, it might remain named "makefile" for a bit. [00:48:41] *** Giaco has quit IRC [00:50:26] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:51:36] *** CSFrost has quit IRC [00:51:57] *** CSFrost has joined #opensolaris [00:53:31] *** ballchalk has joined #opensolaris [00:58:30] *** zooko has quit IRC [01:02:27] *** Corpuscule has quit IRC [01:04:46] <coffman> hum [01:04:51] <coffman> scrub: scrub in progress, 2,22% done, 259h33m to go [01:04:58] <coffman> thats not cool [01:05:47] <tomww> coffman: thats because zfs cares of you. your TZ does not allow you to work at night. [01:05:54] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [01:06:20] <coffman> ffs [01:06:41] <coffman> i switched it on 6 hours ago [01:06:51] <coffman> it said 3 hours back then [01:07:07] <tomww> not so nice [01:07:24] <coffman> nope [01:07:26] *** takahide has quit IRC [01:07:36] <richlowe> I don't think it's estimate is particularly accurate. [01:08:09] <jmcp> it changes as time progresses and its estimates get more data to base themselves on [01:08:37] <coffman> its an 130gb disk on usb2 atached to an ultra10 [01:08:43] <sommerfeld> the time needed depends on the number of blocks read. the time estimates depend on the number of objects inspected [01:08:52] <sommerfeld> the scrub starts over any time you create or destroy a snapshot [01:09:08] <sommerfeld> because pool traverses currently can get "lost" if the snapshot relationships change [01:09:41] <sommerfeld> so if you have cron-driven snapshots occurring more frequently than the time needed to do a scrub, your scrub will never actually finish [01:09:58] <coffman> sommerfeld: nothing like that [01:10:05] <coffman> no traffic on it after all [01:10:11] <sommerfeld> how much of the disk is used? [01:10:51] <coffman> about 70gb [01:11:03] <coffman> but the machine seems to be in some kind of sleep [01:11:37] <nachox> solaris ships with the default bind right? [01:12:06] <sommerfeld> bind as in named? (BIND) [01:12:42] <nachox> yes, bind as in bind9, named [01:12:43] <coffman> its a stupid usb chip [01:12:52] <coffman> disk is in some kind of sleeb [01:12:55] <coffman> *sleep [01:12:57] <coffman> baa [01:13:10] <sommerfeld> that would screw with scrubs.. [01:13:31] <coffman> maxtor [01:13:36] <coffman> says everything [01:14:28] <tomww> some maxtor disks tend to fire interrupts, wehre no interrupts should be fired (IIRC) [01:14:45] <tomww> (the SATA ones) [01:15:36] <coffman> the ultra 10 seems to reboot some times [01:15:41] <coffman> under heavy io [01:16:06] <coffman> i will get ride of those crap [01:16:10] *** ballchalk has quit IRC [01:16:32] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [01:16:57] <Tempt> Morning all [01:17:14] <nachox> i ask because of CVE-2007-2926 [01:17:31] <nachox> evening Tempt [01:17:52] <Tempt> I noticed we're seeing the joyous fun that is a zpool scrub today. [01:18:35] <_mary_kate_> nachox: is that the cache poisoning? solaris bind is affected, there was an alert a day or two ago [01:18:56] <nachox> yes, that one [01:19:02] <Tempt> All bind9 pre-patch was affected. [01:19:05] <_mary_kate_> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-103018-1 [01:19:06] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2pded3 [01:19:11] <Tempt> Which reminds me, time to get compiling I suppose. [01:19:20] <nachox> Tempt, openbsd wasnt :) [01:19:22] * _mary_kate_ uses powerdns, is happy :) [01:19:33] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Are you using the Oracle backend of PowerDNS? [01:19:46] <_mary_kate_> no, actually bindbackend. we only have a couple of small zones [01:19:53] <Tempt> Okay. [01:20:10] <Tempt> I always saw PowerDNS with the Oracle backend as a way of justify a beefy box for a nameserver. [01:20:29] <Tempt> Then again, I've had production bind instances eat over 4Gb of RAM, so ... [01:21:22] <nachox> wow [01:22:08] *** jpdrawneek has quit IRC [01:22:15] * tomww should write a SFEbind9.spec :-) [01:22:21] <coffman> nice [01:22:40] <coffman> my system refuse to reboot after using init 6 [01:22:41] <tomww> and oxygene a PMpkg bind9 ... [01:22:46] <coffman> gar [01:22:47] <Tempt> bind compiles just fine with untar; configure --prefix= ; make ; make install [01:23:07] <tomww> Tempt: uh, we are on a system with package management [01:23:10] <Tempt> I already maintain SysV packages for bind9 [01:24:48] <nachox> what's wrong with the provided packages? [01:25:07] <sommerfeld> there are newer binds than the version bundled in nevada. [01:25:31] <nachox> as long as that one is patched... [01:25:53] <Tempt> I prefer to build my own? [01:26:20] <Tempt> That's really all that's wrong with the provided ones, except if you're on Solaris (as opposed to SX) they're usually a year out of date. [01:27:59] <Tempt> I prefer my bind to live in a seperate tree in /opt as well, so that's another reason for not using the provided ones. [01:29:47] <coffman> Tempt: so using pmpkg for it would be perfect, pmpkg is sourcebased and lives in opt [01:30:35] *** bubbva has quit IRC [01:30:36] <coffman> i like to have all my extra software in opt. its nicer for zoens [01:30:40] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris [01:30:57] <coffman> *zones [01:31:05] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [01:32:34] <eboutilier> Hi tomww (3.5 hours late) :-/ [01:32:52] *** Plaidrab has joined #opensolaris [01:33:05] <tomww> eboutilier: oh, yes :-) - never mind [01:33:12] *** capitano__ has quit IRC [01:33:24] <eboutilier> I thought I had gaim set to pop up a window when my nick was spoken... must be pilot error [01:33:30] <tomww> my timezone dictates going to bed now :) [01:33:53] <tomww> my client "irssi" has a beautifull red color for that [01:34:14] <Tempt> irsii ftw. [01:34:21] <coffman> Day changed to 27 Jul 2007 is the message [01:34:22] <coffman> :P [01:34:41] <tomww> coffman: that was 01:33 ago [01:34:46] <coffman> yes [01:34:56] <eboutilier> tomww, Tempt: What if you're in a totally different window though [01:35:25] <eboutilier> or workspace [01:35:28] <tomww> no problem: ste status bar is really heavy: 3 lines, 132 chars wide [01:36:03] <eboutilier> I use the workspace switcher a lot though... does it ring a bell? [01:36:06] <tomww> and "screen" has the monitoring switch on for that virtual temrinal and sends a small alert-text [01:36:13] <Tempt> Exactly. [01:36:21] <Tempt> Screen solves all problems that exist in a terminal. [01:36:48] <tomww> yes, if screen goes away, I'm totally useless [01:37:03] <eboutilier> IOW, when I'm in another workspace (a la JDS/GNOME), visual queues not in my current workspace won't help.. [01:37:13] <eboutilier> cues [01:37:46] <Tempt> Screen should really be shipped with Solaris by name. [01:37:49] <Tempt> by now* [01:37:58] <Tempt> I mean, honestly, a UNIX without screen? Heresy! [01:38:01] <sommerfeld> xchat somehow or other does something to pop into the window list even when it's not on the current workspace [01:38:07] <sommerfeld> err, gnome window list [01:38:10] <eboutilier> If someone IM's me, with GAIM, the IM window nicely invades whateve workspace I'm in. [01:38:28] <tomww> I think you can steal all workspaces away from a "screen" user and he will not notice within months [01:38:36] <eboutilier> I was hoping GAIM's IRC window would do the same. [01:38:41] <Tempt> When I buy my new LCDs I'll have room for *everything* to be visible without needing a stack of workplaces. [01:38:50] *** snaud is now known as Mesjasz [01:39:15] <eboutilier> Sorry window list... (when I hover my mouse over the switcher it calls them "workspaces") [01:39:45] <Tempt> I believe the Samsung 305T appears to be the win for my usage patterns. [01:39:59] <tomww> it is twofold: a) if i want to communicate, i'm always in screen and get notice, and if i do other things, i its better not to be woken up to often .) [01:41:01] <eboutilier> sommerfeld: Thanks, maybe xchat is or me. Do you run gaim at the same time for IM? [01:41:30] <tomww> the most important thing with irssi to me is: save layout, and ease of use by hotkeys (sounds wired, but i can even use irssi over SSH form the Nokia E61 when I'm traveling) [01:41:51] <Tempt> Aah, yes, the virtue of console applications. [01:42:13] <Tempt> So, are you a mutt or a pine man? [01:42:25] <Auralis> Tempt: the samsung 305t is nice, wanted to get that one, but then they took months to realse it and i had to get another screen [01:42:26] <sommerfeld> eboutilier: i only run xchat [01:42:43] <eboutilier> Tempt: pine, ftw! [01:42:56] <tomww> pine was it several years ago, now I'm a mutt user [01:43:03] <_mary_kate_> people still use pine? [01:43:07] <Tempt> Auralis: Going to order mine today, I think. [01:43:09] <eboutilier> sommerfeld: xchat does IM... or you don't IM? [01:43:19] <Tempt> If only I could get a dual-link DVI card for my Sun Blade 1000 [01:43:25] <Tempt> I'm kinda pissed off about that. [01:43:28] <Auralis> Tempt: your gfx card can do 2560x1600? [01:43:38] <Tempt> The card in my Ultra-20 can. [01:43:45] * Auralis nods [01:43:46] <Tempt> Sadly, my Blade-1000 is shit out of luck. [01:43:53] <sommerfeld> "IM" is generic. xchat speaks IRC, which is the only instant messaging I use today. [01:43:59] <nachox> _mary_kate_, i use mutt, it's the same? :) [01:44:06] <Tempt> I really wanted two displays, one for each machine. [01:44:11] <tomww> thanks all, I'll go to bed now. have a nice day! [01:44:16] <Tempt> I guess my 1600x1200 21" display will be moved onto the Blade-1000 now. [01:44:28] <Auralis> i have a acer 2616w works like a charm on a xvr-1000 dvi [01:44:29] <Tempt> and the blade-1000's current 19" 1280x1024 can sit next to it. [01:44:44] <Tempt> Auralis: Res? [01:44:49] <eboutilier> Several people in my dept. (including boss) use AOL IM [01:44:54] <Auralis> 1920x1200 [01:44:55] <coffman> gar my system refuses to switch the run level [01:45:11] <Tempt> It's the move to duallink dvi that kills it for me. [01:45:23] <Tempt> (I've got XVR-600, so can drive 1920x1200) [01:45:31] <Auralis> yeah [01:47:05] *** eboutilier is now known as eboutilier_away [01:47:38] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [01:49:04] <Tempt> Does anyone here actually use the split-screen functionality in screen? [01:49:26] <asyd> sometimes [01:49:33] <Tempt> How do you switch between panels? [01:49:43] <asyd> c-a tab iirc [01:49:52] <asyd> indeed [01:49:53] <Tempt> Aha! (Is not in manpage!) [01:50:04] <Tempt> Have you tried turning nethack mode on? [01:50:17] <asyd> nop [01:50:31] <asyd> C-a tab (focus) Switch the input focus to the next region. [01:50:32] <asyd> hmm [01:50:54] <asyd> I have [01:50:54] <asyd> bindkey -k F1 focus up [01:50:55] <asyd> bindkey -k F2 focus down [01:50:59] <asyd> which maps f11 and f12 [01:51:04] <asyd> sometimes useful [01:51:20] <Tempt> Hmm, useful. [01:51:31] <Tempt> It'd be nice if it could split vertically as well [01:51:40] <asyd> it's in the HEAD [01:51:41] <Tempt> That way on a high res display you could cut a single xterm into four panels [01:51:55] <asyd> for few month now.. [01:52:02] <Tempt> HEAD [01:52:03] <Tempt> ? [01:52:05] *** phips has quit IRC [01:52:05] *** Bart_M has quit IRC [01:52:08] <asyd> cvs [01:52:13] <Tempt> Aah. [01:52:20] <Tempt> I thought development had stalled on screen [01:52:41] <asyd> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-users/2007-02/msg00000.html [01:52:42] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2y3g88 [01:52:45] <Tempt> Try ^A : nethack on [01:52:51] *** phips has joined #opensolaris [01:52:51] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris [01:52:57] <asyd> Tempt: well, it's more or less true.. [01:53:22] <Tempt> I'd consider paying some small bounties for screen enhancements. [01:55:42] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [01:56:42] <asyd> what the hell is the nethack mode? :p [01:58:39] *** rbrown_ has joined #opensolaris [01:58:43] <purserj> I think thats where you get eaten by a grue if you make a typo [01:59:30] <dlg> ola [02:00:09] *** vitaliy has joined #opensolaris [02:01:02] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [02:01:42] <coffman> aol-im [02:01:43] <coffman> lol [02:02:41] <coffman> i would forbid that in corporate networks [02:03:05] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [02:04:04] <nachox> i've seen some places using an internal jabber server for im [02:05:46] *** morteng has joined #opensolaris [02:05:57] *** dme has quit IRC [02:06:11] *** dme has joined #opensolaris [02:06:12] *** GoodKarm1 has joined #OpenSolaris [02:06:15] *** aruiz_ has quit IRC [02:06:29] <morteng> please how can I patch and update an opensolaris machine x86_64 [02:06:34] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [02:06:40] *** GoodKarm1 is now known as BadKarma [02:07:56] *** eboutilier_away has left #opensolaris [02:10:42] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [02:11:46] *** jcea has quit IRC [02:16:08] <Tempt> asyd: Nethack mode just changes all the messages to more amusing varients. [02:16:34] <jmcp> morteng: "patching" for opensolaris means installing the next build. there are no patches in the traditional Sun patch sense [02:18:46] <coffman> nachox: on my last company i setup one for them, and it was a realy small one [02:19:11] <coffman> why the a company like sun does not have something like that [02:19:17] <coffman> *hell [02:19:35] <jmcp> coffman: have something like what? [02:19:36] <nachox> i cant tell where but this one is not small :) [02:19:45] <nachox> jmcp, a jabber server for im [02:19:46] *** Shiv_ has quit IRC [02:19:51] <jmcp> nachox: ah [02:20:01] <jmcp> coffman: why are you making that assumption? [02:20:27] <nachox> they probably do have one [02:21:11] <coffman> jmcp: sure sun will have something like that around, but eboutilier said in his dept. people use aol-im [02:21:27] <jmcp> that's just his department [02:21:42] <jmcp> my department uses aim IM as well as irc [02:21:50] <nachox> coffman, maybe the aol-im is for external im [02:21:51] <jmcp> other depts use jabber [02:22:02] <Tempt> jabber ftw. [02:22:15] * jmcp shrugs [02:22:25] * Tempt doesn't use any IM anymore, just tells people to find him on irc. [02:22:40] <nachox> irc is very effective imho [02:22:44] <jmcp> indeed it is [02:22:47] <coffman> well, i did some work on the firewall to get ride of msn/aim/skype [02:22:58] <coffman> but the jabber server had transporters [02:23:21] <nachox> i had to filter half microsoft to get rid of msn... [02:23:32] <jmcp> nachox: but it's not necessarily good for asian languages [02:23:37] * jmcp concalls [02:23:45] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [02:23:52] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [02:25:29] <coffman> for any important stuff i use jabber via ssl on one server or jabber/aim/msn/etc with pgp [02:25:29] <nachox> jmcp, that is right, but then again, every job interview i had in the last year required me to have a decent english [02:26:07] <richlowe> the abilty to speak the language is very different from preferring to use it even when you don't have to. [02:26:16] <nachox> coffman, otr is nice :) [02:26:48] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [02:26:56] <jmcp> nachox: true, and we've got significant support resources for which English is not the first language [02:27:26] <coffman> it was more about getting all people to one system then blocking out others [02:27:49] <morteng> If I remember correct I used to apply smpatch analyze and smpatch update but that was on real solaris. [02:27:56] *** spiff has quit IRC [02:28:42] <nachox> richlowe, some of the interviews were actually in english and in fact all i heard was english except when employees were talking to one another, phone calls were all in english [02:30:00] *** m0le has joined #opensolaris [02:31:03] <eboutilier> sommerfeld: xchat IS nice, why didn't I do this sooner :) [02:31:12] <myrkraverk> is there a comparison on the solaris vs linux scheduler wrt the desktop? 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[02:34:14] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [02:36:00] <movement> myrkraverk: I don't know of one. [02:36:14] <myrkraverk> movement: ok ;) [02:36:37] *** Reidms has quit IRC [02:37:52] <movement> myrkraverk: one critical difference is the IA scheduling class [02:38:14] <myrkraverk> IA scheduling class? [02:38:19] <movement> google! [02:38:24] <myrkraverk> ok ok ;) [02:39:26] <jmcp> interactive [02:39:32] <jmcp> generally used by the windowing system [02:39:41] <movement> myrkraverk: 'solaris internals' has an excellent description of the scheduling system [02:39:54] <myrkraverk> ok [02:40:07] <myrkraverk> so far, it's still on my list of books to buy ;) [02:40:40] *** het has joined #opensolaris [02:40:40] <nachox> it's worth every dollar [02:41:00] <myrkraverk> nachox: that's ok, I won't buy it with dollars ;) [02:41:29] *** Bart_M has quit IRC [02:41:29] *** phips has quit IRC [02:41:33] <nachox> ? [02:41:47] *** het has quit IRC [02:41:52] <myrkraverk> nachox: my local currency isn't a dollar [02:42:13] *** phips has joined #opensolaris [02:42:13] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris [02:42:23] <nachox> neither is mine but it's not the point :P [02:42:30] <myrkraverk> ;) [02:44:03] *** het has joined #opensolaris [02:44:28] *** rbrown__ has joined #opensolaris [02:46:08] *** morteng has quit IRC [02:46:17] *** Fish has quit IRC [02:50:45] *** Shiv_ has joined #opensolaris [02:51:41] *** rbrown_ has quit IRC [03:02:22] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [03:03:10] *** coraline has quit IRC [03:04:13] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [03:05:55] <Tempt> Xsun is able to bump the priority of the current foreground window to increase interactive response. [03:06:27] *** danv12 has joined #opensolaris [03:10:21] <nachox> xorg isnt? [03:15:24] <Tempt> Nope. [03:16:30] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [03:19:39] <richlowe> The Xorg in Nevada looks to have the IA bits... [03:25:58] *** rbrown__ has quit IRC [03:26:14] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [03:27:10] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris [03:28:35] *** ring0 has joined #opensolaris [03:29:05] *** unixware has joined #opensolaris [03:29:36] *** unixware has left #opensolaris [03:29:36] *** meme20 has joined #opensolaris [03:29:49] <meme20> what's the equivalent of "wheel" in opensolaris? [03:30:04] <meme20> btw, the default login screen is beautiful :) [03:31:07] <FireflyST> Question about mplayer - is there a version available that uses opengl for hardware mpeg decoding? [03:32:00] <meme20> anyone? [03:33:32] <coffman> FireflyST: uhm, i think its more a thing of the video card and his driver, not of opengl [03:33:34] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC [03:33:44] <_mary_kate_> opengl can do mpeg decoding? [03:33:45] *** Dr_Jekyl1 has joined #opensolaris [03:34:06] <_mary_kate_> mplayer can output to opengl (-vo gl) but i don't think that affects the decoding [03:35:11] <meme20> what's the opensolaris equivalent of the gnu/linux command: useradd -m -s /bin/zsh -G wheel ? [03:35:22] <nachox> i dont think there is something like wheel in solaris [03:35:36] <meme20> nachox: so logging in as root is acceptable? [03:35:58] <movement> meme20: look up documentation on RBAC [03:35:59] *** rbrown__ has joined #opensolaris [03:36:08] <nachox> meme20, what do you mean? [03:36:30] <meme20> nachox: i'm used to the 'use sudo and don't login as root' mantra coming from gnu/linux [03:36:39] <meme20> movement: okay [03:36:45] *** meme20 has quit IRC [03:37:08] <nachox> crap, he left :P [03:37:13] <FireflyST> according to several things, mplayer should be able to do decoding of DVDs on sparc without issues, because of VIS [03:37:16] <coffman> *sigh* [03:38:05] <coffman> most modern video cards do encoding of mpeg in hardware [03:38:23] *** kszwed has quit IRC [03:38:36] <FireflyST> I understand that [03:38:53] <coffman> nothing to do with opengl.. [03:39:38] <FireflyST> how do you enable hardware video scaling in xsun [03:39:50] *** Reidms has joined #OpenSolaris [03:40:49] <coffman> now thats the right question :P [03:42:36] <FireflyST> are you being sarcastic, or are you agreeing with me? [03:43:24] <coffman> a bit of both, but well, your lest question was the right one that might lead you to solution for you problem [03:43:34] <coffman> im sorry that i cant help you on this [03:43:45] <coffman> no sparc desktop for me [03:44:05] *** CSFrost has quit IRC [03:44:13] <FireflyST> I've been told the answer is partially to pipe it through openGL [03:44:27] *** CSFrost has joined #opensolaris [03:44:55] <coffman> so you might want to consult your mplayer manpage on output flags [03:46:05] *** Dr_Jekyll has quit IRC [03:48:32] *** vitaliy has quit IRC [03:49:36] [03:50:43] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [03:52:12] <Tempt> Man, finally got around to looking at elinks [03:52:19] <Tempt> That browser gives old lynx a run for its money [03:53:55] *** yongsun|wfh has joined #opensolaris [03:53:58] <coffman> FireflyST: aeh, mplayer [03:54:05] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [03:54:29] <coffman> FireflyST: mplayer -vo gl should give you opengl output [03:54:31] <coffman> well [03:54:34] <coffman> bed time [03:54:37] <coffman> gn8 folks [03:56:48] <nachox> later :) [03:57:33] <nachox> Tempt, in linux with gpm i think it is even aware of the mouse, and i know it can use the framebuffer [03:59:40] <Tempt> Well, I'm not using linux, not using gpm, running in a screen window over an ssh link. [03:59:47] <Tempt> But it still rocks compared to lynx. It mean, colours and all! [04:00:23] <Tempt> One of these days I'm going to work out how to fix my line draw font problem. [04:01:22] <Tempt> anyway, lunch first, and then I might see if this channels talent has the answer. [04:02:02] <nachox> what time is it? [04:02:03] <cmn_err> nachox: It's about ten o'clock at night where I am. [04:02:18] <nachox> STFU you damn bot [04:06:42] *** ring0 has quit IRC [04:07:11] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC [04:08:27] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [04:10:01] *** aruiz has quit IRC [04:10:26] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [04:13:15] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [04:14:01] *** alfred has joined #opensolaris [05:11:41] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [05:14:20] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [05:14:27] <WickedWicky> good morning on this ungodly hour [05:15:34] <Tempt> Indeed, 1:15pm is an ungodly hour. [05:15:44] <WickedWicky> 5:14am here [05:15:51] <WickedWicky> and working, mind you [05:15:57] <Tempt> Haha. [05:16:00] <Tempt> Outage? [05:16:01] * WickedWicky shares the can of coffee with Tempt [05:16:02] <Tempt> Change? [05:16:06] <WickedWicky> change [05:16:15] * Tempt swigs from his mug of espresso [05:16:19] <WickedWicky> putting the Oracle cluster back in production, migrating the data right now [05:16:51] <Tempt> scswitch ... [05:16:56] <WickedWicky> yes yes [05:17:03] <WickedWicky> scswitch is my friend [05:17:26] <WickedWicky> and whoever tells me imp and exp are cool tools made by oracle, _|_ [05:18:23] <Tempt> heh. [05:18:31] <Tempt> Love the SunCluster. [05:18:47] <WickedWicky> I do [05:19:00] <Tempt> Too bad everyone around here has a hard-on for Veritas. [05:19:07] <Tempt> That's a bloody good reason to leave. [05:19:14] <WickedWicky> I honestly dont see why I'd use veritas [05:19:28] <Tempt> VCS is a crock of shite [05:19:29] <WickedWicky> xcept for showing off we have enough money to buy it [05:19:36] <Tempt> Overblown shell scripts with a java management gui [05:19:41] <Tempt> Lack of functionality. [05:19:45] <Tempt> Excessive craptitude. [05:20:09] <Tempt> Need a new mp3 player too. [05:21:27] <WickedWicky> haha [05:21:48] <Tempt> I've been meaning to get a new one for ages, but ... [05:21:49] <Tempt> too hard basket. [05:22:01] <Tempt> All I want is lots of storage and the ability to enjoy it on Solaris. [05:22:40] <nachox> ipods work on solaris i think [05:22:57] *** Dink_ has quit IRC [05:23:10] <nachox> and i had good luck with sandisk players [05:23:34] <Tempt> I refuse to give money to Apple. [05:23:43] <Tempt> They've screwed me once, I won't do business with them again. [05:24:02] <nachox> sandisk it is then :P [05:24:05] * Tempt heads over to sandisk.com [05:24:12] *** Teknomancer has joined #opensolaris [05:25:09] <nachox> Tempt, only one warning though, they do not use a regular usb cable [05:25:21] <Tempt> I want large capacity. [05:25:24] <Tempt> 80Gb would be nice [05:26:33] <nachox> hmm, i dont know if you can find them that big [05:26:40] <Tempt> I know you can get 80Gb iPods. [05:26:45] <Tempt> Surely some other vendor has something similar. [05:27:21] <Tempt> Hmm, sandisk 64Gb 1.8" SSD [05:27:24] <Tempt> That looks neat. [05:29:01] <nachox> the most i see is 8gb [05:29:17] <Tempt> Yep, Sandisk is out of the picture for now. [05:29:32] <Teknomancer> Cowon have some HDD players [05:29:39] <Teknomancer> but i think they max out at 40 gigs [05:29:57] <Tempt> iRiver maxes out at 40 as well [05:30:00] <Teknomancer> i've got an iRiver H340 (40 gig) player, quite old [05:30:06] <Teknomancer> but it serves the purpose [05:30:32] <nachox> i heard good things about iriver [05:31:22] <Tempt> Hmm, toshiba gigabeat; 60gb .. black.. Hmmm. [05:31:25] <WickedWicky> what about creative? [05:31:34] <Tempt> Pity they need Windows Media Player... [05:32:05] <Tempt> wow [05:32:10] <Tempt> Creative let creaf.com go ... [05:32:17] <Teknomancer> i'm planning to get a Cowon A2 [05:32:22] <Teknomancer> anyone have it ? [05:32:43] <Teknomancer> 30 gigs is enough for my videos, i already have 40 gig player for my music thats not yet full [05:33:46] <Tempt> Creative ZEN Vision:M might be the winner [05:33:49] <Tempt> Anyone got one? [05:34:24] <nachox> not even my desktops have harddrives larger than 80gb [05:35:13] <Tempt> I've got over 100Gb of mp3s alone. [05:35:22] <Tempt> I'm sick of deleting/copying to a portable device. [05:35:41] <nachox> can you even listen all that music? [05:38:45] <Tempt> Yes. [05:38:47] <Tempt> All of it. [05:41:18] *** Shiv_ has quit IRC [05:41:21] <Tempt> I'm beginning to get tempted to almost consider braving the possibility of the idea of contemplating the potential purchase of an iPod. [05:41:42] *** _hsilva has joined #opensolaris [05:42:27] <nachox> buy it already [05:42:34] <nachox> :P [05:42:37] <Tempt> They won't engrave my message [05:42:38] <Tempt> cunts. [05:42:39] <cmn_err> <Tempt> DROP ME OFF AT THE GAY HOLE [05:42:59] <Teknomancer> i'm mostly going to singapore for a short week vacation, plan to buy a Cowon A2 there :) [05:43:16] <Tempt> cmn_err: Or you could go fuck yourself with a fire hydrant, right-right? [05:43:16] <cmn_err> wish i knew, tempt [05:43:23] <e^ipi> I'd get mine engraved with " Warning: Contains Stolen Music " but they evidently won't do that [05:43:34] <nachox> Tempt, that bot is a pain in the rear [05:43:35] <Tempt> They won't engrave "Bastard Operator from Hell" [05:43:40] <e^ipi> i'm not sure why... it's true [05:43:45] <_mary_kate_> engraved ipods? wtg [05:43:53] <_mary_kate_> er, wtf [05:44:00] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: when you buy from apple directly they'll laser engrave it for free [05:44:04] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Free engraving if you buy from apple ... [05:44:43] <nachox> off to sleep [05:44:46] *** nachox has quit IRC [05:45:41] <Tempt> They'll engrave it with "Apple Sucks" but not BOFH? Cunts! [05:45:41] <cmn_err> <Tempt> FUCKING FAIRIES [05:46:41] <Tempt> If I had ops, I'd kickban that bot. [05:46:52] <e^ipi> which bot? [05:46:57] <_mary_kate_> cmn_err [05:46:57] <cmn_err> _mary_kate_? [05:47:18] <e^ipi> who owns it? [05:47:24] <_mary_kate_> elektronkind i think [05:47:36] <Tempt> Maybe I'll start my own irritating bot. [05:49:41] <insomnia> [05:50:37] <insomnia> well. [05:50:39] <insomnia> that was weird. [05:50:52] <insomnia> someone do me a favor and look at this picture [05:51:03] <insomnia> and tell me if it's got depth/3d or if I'm stoned. [05:51:06] <insomnia> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=870278311&size=l [05:51:25] <e^ipi> yeah, it's electronkind's bot [05:52:06] <Tempt> cute picture [05:52:25] <insomnia> a friend took that in Canada [05:52:34] <Tempt> Looks like CGI [05:52:35] <insomnia> and it's tripping me out. lol. [05:52:43] <insomnia> look at the rest of the pictures in that series. [05:52:51] <insomnia> there are about 3 or 4 that look like that. [05:53:04] <insomnia> and I know Kris. She can't do CGI. [05:53:08] <insomnia> she knits. lol. [05:53:33] <WickedWicky> ok [05:53:37] <WickedWicky> off to the office [05:53:40] <WickedWicky> see you all later [05:53:52] <insomnia> fix my broken RHEL3 box for me while you're there. [05:53:56] <Tempt> Wouldn't mind seeing the full res version of that picture [05:54:11] <insomnia> tempt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarkasmo/870278311/ [05:54:14] <Tempt> The effect kinda reminds of Velvia film [05:54:17] *** hsilva has quit IRC [05:54:20] <insomnia> that's the gallery of them. [05:54:22] *** _hsilva is now known as hsilva [05:54:29] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris [05:54:45] <insomnia> it's the clouds [05:54:51] <insomnia> that are causing that effect. [05:54:52] <Tempt> I gather it's quality photoshop work [05:54:55] <Tempt> HDR [05:55:04] <insomnia> she doesn't do photoshop. [05:55:05] <insomnia> she sells avon. [05:55:07] <insomnia> lol [05:55:28] <Tempt> You take three shots with differing exposures and stick them together somehow. [05:55:33] <Tempt> Still, very nice colours. [05:55:40] <insomnia> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarkasmo/870275877/in/photostream/ [05:55:41] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/372m22 [05:55:44] <insomnia> that's her and her husband [05:55:56] <insomnia> that picture is just like them. [05:55:57] <insomnia> lol [05:57:13] <Tempt> Alright, colourful road picture is wallpaper of the week [05:58:25] <Tempt> Hmm, found a message for the ipod [05:58:30] <Tempt> for i in apple ipod itunes; [05:58:33] <Tempt> do echo $i sucks ; done [06:08:27] <jamesd> Tempt, dont forget iphone [06:08:50] <e^ipi> I imagine in a year or so, we'll all forget about the iphone [06:10:16] <Tempt> Not enough space to slag off the iphone [06:10:23] <Tempt> for i in apple/* ; do [06:10:30] <Tempt> echo $i sucks balls ; done [06:10:49] <e^ipi> it's gimmicky now, but if apple's seriously banking their long-term success on the iphone, now is a good time to shortsell AAPL [06:11:02] <_mary_kate_> i heard there isn't even a free sdk for the iphone [06:11:11] <_mary_kate_> why would you buy something that expensive if you can't even run your own software? [06:11:52] <jamesd> _mary_kate_, 99.999% of users dont write software [06:11:59] <_mary_kate_> no, but most of them use software [06:12:06] <_mary_kate_> what happens when they want to use software that apple didn't provide? [06:12:53] <jamesd> they suffer... and bitch and download another album of music for there ipod, and forget, tomorow they will fill better and download even more music [06:15:58] <Tempt> If you want a fancy phone that doesn't run windows, just get a nice Nokia with Symbian. [06:20:16] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [06:23:04] *** chrisb17 has joined #opensolaris [06:23:11] <chrisb17> ello again [06:23:53] <chrisb17> is sxce like gentoo?> [06:24:05] <_mary_kate_> in the sense of being completely different, yes [06:24:24] *** Rambozo has joined #opensolaris [06:24:31] <chrisb17> does sxce have an installer? [06:25:16] <_mary_kate_> sxce is a development release of solaris 11. if S11 were released today, it would be what sxce is [06:25:57] <chrisb17> ahhh [06:26:15] <chrisb17> sorry i was bored the other day and wanted 2 try something new ;) [06:26:30] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [06:26:32] <chrisb17> i am still learning :) [06:26:51] <chrisb17> solaris is free right? [06:27:00] <chrisb17> or is it a pay os> [06:27:01] <lloy0076> Version 10 upwards. [06:27:06] <_mary_kate_> yes, but some patches are restricted to contract users [06:27:07] <lloy0076> (definitely) [06:27:11] <_mary_kate_> (security and driver patches are free) [06:27:15] <_mary_kate_> updates are also free [06:27:25] <chrisb17> what patches are not free? [06:27:40] <Rambozo> what is the dfference between free Solaris 10 and opensolaris? [06:27:54] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: ones that aren't security or driver patches, or patches those ones depend on [06:27:58] <chrisb17> the name? [06:27:59] <_mary_kate_> in reality most of the important ones are free [06:28:14] <lloy0076> Rambozo: Free OpenSolaris is going to be the basis for Solaris 11. [06:28:20] <lloy0076> Rambozo: Solaris 10 is, well, Solaris 10. [06:28:23] <chrisb17> how much is solaris? [06:28:26] <Teknomancer> and are Sun continuing to develop Solaris and opensolaris as 2 different ones? [06:28:41] <Rambozo> lloy0076: Thanks. Didnt know what the heck the diff was [06:28:43] <Teknomancer> i mean if i make stuff for opensolaris will it work without changes on Solaris ? [06:28:56] <_mary_kate_> Teknomancer: you can't make stuff "for opensolaris" because its not a complete OS on its own [06:28:58] <_mary_kate_> (yet) [06:29:12] <lloy0076> It really depends what you mean by "make for"... [06:29:13] <chrisb17> what is it then? [06:29:26] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: some source code and a community/website [06:29:29] <Teknomancer> this is confusing, isn't opensolaris an OS ? [06:29:33] <lloy0076> OpenSolaris is the next version of Solaris (which will be 11) with as much open sourced as can be at the moment. [06:29:38] <_mary_kate_> for example, Solaris 11 will be an OS based on the opensolaris source code [06:29:43] <lloy0076> OpenSolaris is a community. [06:29:44] <_mary_kate_> as are nexente, belenix, etc [06:29:48] <chrisb17> will it blend? [06:29:49] <chrisb17> lol [06:29:57] <lloy0076> Solaris Community Express is what you're actually calling OpenSolaris...I think. [06:29:58] <_mary_kate_> opensolaris is _not_ the next version of solaris - things like CDE are not part of opensolaris [06:29:59] <chrisb17> sorry i was watching the a min ago :) [06:30:09] <_mary_kate_> but the next version of solaris is _based on_ opensolaris [06:30:15] <chrisb17> cde? [06:30:28] <chrisb17> u work 4 sun mk? [06:30:36] <_mary_kate_> me? no [06:31:08] <Teknomancer> lloy0076: oh [06:31:11] <lloy0076> http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_FAQ [06:31:15] <Teknomancer> well i'm using Solaris Developer Edition [06:31:22] <Teknomancer> devx [06:31:25] <_mary_kate_> you can think of opensolaris as being a little bit like the linux kernel (but that's misleading, because opensolaris is _much_ more than just a kernel) [06:31:29] <lloy0076> There, if you take a look at that Wiki page it explains the various differences. [06:31:34] <_mary_kate_> but in the same way that just the linux kernel isn't an OS, neither is opensolaris [06:31:55] <chrisb17> what is cde? [06:32:00] <lloy0076> Common Desktop Environment. [06:32:04] <Teknomancer> some desktop environment i dared not to touch [06:32:09] <_mary_kate_> the Common Desktop Environment is an old "standard" GUI for Unix [06:32:13] <lloy0076> An older desktop much like Gnome or KDE but much more ancient. [06:32:14] <chrisb17> and how much is solaris? [06:32:21] <chrisb17> :\ [06:32:22] <_mary_kate_> solaris still ships it but sun wants you to use JDS now (a GNOME-based system) [06:32:25] <lloy0076> chrisb17: You're allowed to download Solaris 10 for free. [06:32:26] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: solaris is free [06:32:39] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: only some patches cost money (or rather, you can only get them if you have a support contract) [06:32:50] <chrisb17> how much is support? [06:33:18] <lloy0076> (and I believe the support contracts are less than RedHat's for RHEL but don't quote me) [06:33:18] <chrisb17> and why cant ms do that :D [06:33:18] <_mary_kate_> depends how much support you want :) [06:33:18] <chrisb17> free os with paid support lol [06:33:18] <_mary_kate_> currently starts at $120/core/year for basic support i think [06:33:18] <chrisb17> patches and boredum :) [06:33:21] <chrisb17> thats not bad [06:33:22] <_mary_kate_> hmm, per socket, not per core [06:33:26] <lloy0076> Why would Microsoft stop charging for Windows? That would be the silliest decision they could ever make :( [06:33:31] <chrisb17> per socket? [06:33:36] <_mary_kate_> per CPU socket [06:33:41] <_mary_kate_> 1 quad-core CPU = 1 socket [06:33:48] <WickedWicky> so when you have a 32 core sparc you pay for one socket [06:33:51] <chrisb17> ow i have 2 [06:34:02] <chrisb17> (cores) [06:34:15] <_mary_kate_> "basic" support isn't much though, basically you get installation support and patches, and sunsolve access [06:34:24] <_mary_kate_> (which gives you access to all the hardware handbooks and such) [06:34:25] <chrisb17> sun solve? [06:34:28] <lloy0076> If you're not using it for production, or you can afford to fix it up yourself, you could probably get by without a support contract. But again, I'm not a lawyer, take my advice with a pinch of salt. [06:34:31] <chrisb17> no real ppl? [06:34:34] <_mary_kate_> sunsolve = sun knowledge base [06:34:46] <WickedWicky> sunsolve is like the technet online by mickeysoft [06:34:58] <chrisb17> technet? [06:35:03] <WickedWicky> nevermind [06:35:11] <WickedWicky> I thought I'd compare it to a mickey soft site to make it easier for you [06:35:15] <_mary_kate_> hehe, i remember technet. is that still around? [06:35:16] * WickedWicky failed [06:35:19] <WickedWicky> yea it is [06:35:22] <Tempt> Sunsolve = hardware doco + patches + bug notificatins + doco + other stuff [06:35:33] <Tempt> Docs.sun.com = all the documentation you can choke on [06:35:42] <chrisb17> sounds like an overpriced waste........ [06:35:55] <Tempt> A support contract is about more than some website access [06:35:56] <chrisb17> why not charge for irc help next................ [06:35:59] <_mary_kate_> then don't buy it [06:36:12] <lloy0076> chrisb17: Oooer, there's a thought.... [06:36:13] <Tempt> It's about sending in a crash dump every time your host has a problem and having someone actually work on the problem. [06:36:14] <lloy0076> lol [06:36:15] <chrisb17> i mean i support my os so i probly will buy it :D [06:36:30] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: not so much with basic support though ;-) [06:36:35] <Tempt> Now, I can give you more details, but you'll need to paypal me $50 for my time. [06:36:40] <WickedWicky> Tempt: that'd require personal assistance, something mary kate points out you dont get with the basic support [06:36:43] <Tempt> (per question) [06:36:58] <Tempt> WickedWicky: I thought you could still raise low-sev cases online. [06:37:01] * Tempt shrugs [06:37:04] <WickedWicky> not sure [06:37:05] <Tempt> All my hosts are on gold\ [06:37:10] <Tempt> or better... [06:37:11] * WickedWicky only works with platinum support [06:37:14] <chrisb17> hosts? [06:37:15] <chrisb17> gold? [06:37:22] <chrisb17> platinum??? [06:37:25] <Tempt> gold = second highest support level from sun [06:37:30] <Tempt> platinum = highest support level from sun [06:37:33] * chrisb17 watches the room spin around lol [06:37:34] <_mary_kate_> gold and platinum are support levels, like basic [06:37:35] <Tempt> hosts = machines [06:37:52] <chrisb17> u have 2 pay per comp :( [06:37:59] <chrisb17> ow! [06:37:59] <WickedWicky> with platinum contracts you get an engineer on site within 4 hours, same day RMA [06:38:00] <chrisb17> lol [06:38:00] <WickedWicky> AND [06:38:07] <Tempt> Oh [06:38:08] <Tempt> I forgot [06:38:09] <chrisb17> rma? [06:38:15] <Tempt> There's the magical free support for other operating systems [06:38:16] <_mary_kate_> rma = replace your broken shit [06:38:18] <WickedWicky> as we pointed out two weeks ago: attendency by women with cute brittish accents [06:38:23] <Tempt> you get full support for $2 per year per million machines [06:38:28] <Tempt> and you get a blowjob once a week included. [06:38:34] <WickedWicky> .. [06:38:34] <lloy0076> I am going to break into Kylie Minogue's "I'm spinning around" soon :P [06:38:34] <_mary_kate_> (return merchandise authorization or something) [06:38:44] <WickedWicky> wait a sec Tempt, I didnt see that being covered in platinum [06:38:45] <WickedWicky> damn [06:38:49] * WickedWicky degrades to gold [06:39:18] <WickedWicky> bj is given by a female person I assume? (never hurts to ask) [06:39:19] <Tempt> OH NOES [06:39:22] <chrisb17> i have 4 computers lol [06:39:27] <Tempt> You don't get that with Sun support [06:39:35] <Tempt> You only get that with chrisb17's magical support levels [06:39:40] <WickedWicky> oh [06:39:41] <WickedWicky> sarcasm [06:39:49] <Tempt> Sad, isn't it? [06:39:54] <_mary_kate_> which support level includes a pony? [06:39:59] <chrisb17> what if i pay 4 1 computer :D can i use it on all 4?, or can they tell? [06:40:04] <WickedWicky> haha, I love sarcasm, it's just too early for me to grasp it :P [06:40:20] <Tempt> chrisb17: They implant a tracking device in every computer [06:40:25] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: no-one is going to care if you install patches on four computers when you only got support for one [06:40:28] <Tempt> chrisb17: It uses cosmic rays to report all your data back to Sun [06:40:35] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: it might get trickier if you need actual support (like talking to a person) [06:40:35] <WickedWicky> you could just buy a nintendo [06:40:40] <Tempt> chrisb17: Sun then sell it to Microsoft, Apple, the Chinese government and the NSA [06:40:53] <WickedWicky> Tempt: down boy [06:40:54] <chrisb17> not dod? [06:40:55] <chrisb17> lol [06:41:08] <WickedWicky> it's too early for mental murder [06:41:16] <_mary_kate_> hmm, you know what i didn't find on sun's website, about support? if i have a system with 4 sockets, but 2 CPUs, do i have to pay for 2 or 4 sockets? [06:41:32] <_mary_kate_> what if i have a 4-cpu-capable system but not the additional two-cpu board? [06:41:36] <WickedWicky> I thought you paid per server actually [06:41:37] <Tempt> You pay for four sockets plus a two-socket lack of utilisation tax. [06:41:42] <WickedWicky> like, you buy support for a V440 [06:41:54] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: you know, that's actually almost believable. :) [06:42:01] <WickedWicky> whenever I call i give the chassis serial number [06:42:04] <chrisb17> btw..., why did sun make solaris free? [06:42:05] <_mary_kate_> WickedWicky: for software? i thought it was per-socket [06:42:18] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: because they became a 501(c)3 non-profit organisation [06:42:21] <Tempt> chrisb17: To allow them to tap into the hidden ninja secrets of more people. [06:42:21] <WickedWicky> hmm [06:42:36] <WickedWicky> yea might be _mary_kate_, obviously when I call it's hardware support, figures why they ask for the serial [06:42:39] <chrisb17> why would they do that [06:42:46] <chrisb17> i thought they wanted $$$ :) [06:42:52] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Every time you boot your newly support system, it'll say "fill my extra sockets you dunce!" [06:42:55] <lloy0076> Oh, I just got myself a copy of Mac OS X Internals (A Systems Approach) [Addison Wesley | Amit Singh]. Hopefully that will show me some of the differences between OS X and Solaris. [06:43:43] <WickedWicky> Tempt: that's kinda slutish... "fill me baby, I can take it" [06:43:55] <chrisb17> why not xcfs?, why gnome? [06:43:56] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: i actually priced the cost of adding two cpus [06:44:01] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: the i/o board costs more than the cpus :( [06:44:21] <Tempt> Shove your big fat CPU in my gaping socket you dirty fuckaxe. [06:44:25] <WickedWicky> chrisb17: why not console? [06:44:30] <_mary_kate_> well it's not even an i/o board. more like a cpu riser. [06:44:57] <Tempt> What sort of machine? [06:45:04] <_mary_kate_> V40z [06:45:06] <chrisb17> WickedWicky, i don't like curses thats why :P [06:45:21] <Teknomancer> anyone knows how i can make ggrep skip searching files ending in ".tmp" or "~" ? [06:45:21] <WickedWicky> you like gtk though :s [06:46:04] <WickedWicky> but who stops you from compiling xfce eh? [06:46:39] <chrisb17> me :) [06:46:44] <WickedWicky> Teknomancer: -v ? [06:47:02] <WickedWicky> ........ [06:47:05] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: if they had used xfce, someone would say 'why not gnome?' or 'why not kde?' [06:47:09] <WickedWicky> now this is getting interesting [06:47:14] <_mary_kate_> chrisb17: in the end, they had to pick one to be the standard desktop [06:47:40] <chrisb17> who is they? [06:47:45] <_mary_kate_> sun [06:47:48] <Teknomancer> WickedWicky: hmm -v that's inverse match [06:47:49] <WickedWicky> _mary_kate_: why not enlightment? it looks so cool [06:48:18] <Tempt> There's a set of three simple decision-assist resources for choosing Solaris/Linux up at http://mexico.purplecow.org/sollin.html [06:48:21] <Teknomancer> i think --exclude [06:48:24] <WickedWicky> to be honest with you I'd think we should all go back to 80x25 text console anyway [06:48:51] <WickedWicky> Tempt: I heard magical travor has a say in it as well [06:48:56] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: i want to use solaris and my coworkers don't. should i put their fingers into power points? [06:49:01] <Tempt> YES! [06:49:04] <WickedWicky> hell yea [06:49:21] <Tempt> Connect them to the high voltage directly via nipple rings. [06:49:30] <WickedWicky> nipple twisting! [06:49:42] <WickedWicky> boioioioioioioing [06:49:53] <chrisb17> on the "Free DVDs mailed to you" do i have 2 pay shipping? [06:50:01] <_mary_kate_> no [06:50:04] <WickedWicky> did you actually read the site? [06:50:15] <_mary_kate_> why read? that's what irc is for [06:50:26] <WickedWicky> you have a speech plugin? [06:50:28] <chrisb17> i am..... [06:50:29] <WickedWicky> me wants [06:50:49] <WickedWicky> I thought IRC was like... to pick up hot chicks :( [06:50:54] <_mary_kate_> heh, actually i know someone who irc's with speech recognition software. leads to funny typos. [06:51:01] <chrisb17> i know with some "free" u have 2 pay a fee or shipping or some other kink in the devils tail [06:51:12] <Tempt> Alright [06:51:17] <WickedWicky> yea, like 50/50 linux "free" distros [06:51:24] <Tempt> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/vilcus [06:51:34] <Tempt> That you should you deal with the latter recommendation on my list [06:51:37] *** loke_ has joined #opensolaris [06:52:50] *** loke__ has quit IRC [06:52:52] * Teknomancer goes to research on some mp3/video players that will work in BeOS, Zeta and Linux [06:53:11] <Rambozo> Anyone run Solaris in VMware? [06:53:35] <WickedWicky> Rambozo: used to! [06:54:28] <WickedWicky> Tempt: lol, people buy this? haha [06:54:47] <Teknomancer> one thing about solaris, when i unplug my ethernet cable and put a new one, it doesn't automagically work like in Linux/Zeta etc. is this for security reasons etc.? [06:55:03] <Tempt> It is because your ethernet cable is not Solaris certified [06:55:07] <Teknomancer> lol [06:55:11] <WickedWicky> lol [06:55:20] <WickedWicky> ok [06:55:25] <WickedWicky> that goes in my quotes [06:55:39] <Teknomancer> haha where are ur quotes WickedWicky? [06:55:43] <WickedWicky> in my notepad [06:55:47] <Teknomancer> ugh [06:55:55] <Teknomancer> i thot u published them for the world to see [06:55:58] <WickedWicky> oh shoot, now I give a way I am running windows [06:56:01] <WickedWicky> oh I will [06:56:06] <Teknomancer> k [06:56:09] <WickedWicky> once I have my webserver back up online [06:56:30] <Tempt> All my ethernet cables have little Sun logos on them. [06:56:39] <Tempt> They actually make the 100Mbit ethernet run at 120Mbit [06:56:42] <Tempt> They're that good. [06:56:46] <WickedWicky> lol [06:56:49] <WickedWicky> does it do caching? [06:56:55] <Tempt> If the cable is long enough [06:57:18] <Tempt> It'll provide caching and allow you to store excess data as in-transit packets on the copper. [06:57:25] <_mary_kate_> we use dual-core ethernet. it runs at 200Mbps [06:57:32] <Tempt> I don't actually have any disks, I just have really long cables and my data keeps going around in circles [06:57:43] <WickedWicky> can it do RAID? [06:57:55] <Tempt> Sure [06:57:57] <libkeiser> sure. you just need multiple cables and an xor asic [06:58:02] <Tempt> Just buy more cable drums. [06:58:07] <Tempt> I might call it ... Drum storage. [06:58:07] <WickedWicky> wicked [06:58:12] <WickedWicky> drum storage.. hahah [06:58:14] <WickedWicky> god [06:58:28] <Teknomancer> the cable also self-repairs itself using magnetic shielding when the wires get cut [06:58:35] <Tempt> Indeed. [06:58:42] <WickedWicky> that's it, I'm game [06:58:45] <WickedWicky> sod StorEdge [06:58:46] <Tempt> Although the move to 32 pair cable to keep up with my T2000s has been tough. [06:58:53] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [06:59:03] <Tempt> My cables have 32 threads. [06:59:10] <Tempt> Niagara2 is going to kill me. [07:00:03] <WickedWicky> yea well! [07:00:04] <WickedWicky> an idiot at work! [07:00:17] <WickedWicky> actually always uses -11 when he needs to kill a process [07:00:18] <CIA-26> rg137905: 6485851 Jurassic panic with assertion failure in rfs4_dbe_rele [07:00:23] <WickedWicky> cause he thinks it dies faster then [07:00:24] <WickedWicky> wtf [07:00:27] <Tempt> anyway. I need a cigarette to deal with this level of insanity. 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[08:25:46] <jmcp> not much [08:27:12] <sickness> morning all :) [08:27:21] <WickedWicky> ello [08:32:17] * Tempt hands WickedWicky a coffee and a B&H [08:32:29] *** loke_ has quit IRC [08:32:30] <WickedWicky> wow, real ciggies [08:32:34] <WickedWicky> cheers [08:32:47] <Tempt> B&H Reds [08:32:54] <asyd> \_o< [08:33:58] <WickedWicky> gucci just called me, my watch is ready [08:33:59] <WickedWicky> hoorah [08:35:49] * jmcp wanders off to find a 12v battery [08:36:07] <WickedWicky> still busy with the UPS thing? [08:36:15] <WickedWicky> or wasn't that you? 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[09:12:32] <WickedWicky> b69 is the community release [09:12:37] * WickedWicky is downloading it now [09:17:46] *** Cyrille_ is now known as Cyrille [09:19:22] <_mary_kate_> hmm, data transfer on GE uses a lot of system CPU [09:21:59] <tomww> WickedWicky: I just rebootet my root-server at a mass-hoster to run on b69 :-) [09:23:13] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [09:26:22] *** cmang_ has joined #opensolaris [09:27:29] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [09:30:55] *** vaiktor has quit IRC [09:34:38] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [09:37:36] *** cmang has quit IRC [09:43:53] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [09:44:29] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [09:48:11] <quasi> tomww: hetzner? 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[10:54:49] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:55:53] <razrX> happy SA day all :) [10:56:32] *** cajetanus has joined #opensolaris [10:56:50] <razrX> dunno where ON is at now, but since build 69 is out, can someone update /topic ? [10:58:57] <WickedWicky> razrX: I pointed that out this morning, guess we have to wait for chanop [10:59:03] <WickedWicky> alright [10:59:09] <WickedWicky> I will be back in an hour [10:59:17] <WickedWicky> I just burnt the b69 iso [10:59:22] <WickedWicky> let's see what it does [10:59:24] <WickedWicky> tchau [10:59:33] *** WickedWicky has quit IRC [11:00:37] <razrX> can't even download 69 [11:00:58] <razrX> each segment "hangs" at the beginning after having downloaded merely a few mb's [11:03:48] *** Vanuatoo__ has joined #opensolaris [11:04:10] *** Vanuatoo_ has quit IRC [11:04:41] *** Fish has quit IRC [11:06:44] *** swmackie has joined #opensolaris [11:19:04] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [11:19:31] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [11:19:44] *** yongsun|wfh has joined #opensolaris [11:22:34] *** migi has joined #opensolaris [11:22:35] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [11:23:06] *** yongsun|wfh has quit IRC [11:24:42] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [11:24:56] *** derchris has quit IRC [11:25:12] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [11:25:55] *** yongsun|wfh has joined #opensolaris [11:26:00] *** rpcbqc has joined #opensolaris [11:26:46] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [11:28:22] <rpcbqc> Hello !!! Some one could help me about openSolaris10 and Apache/Apache2/Tomcat [11:28:24] <rpcbqc> ? [11:30:47] <timsf> No such OS as openSolaris10... what's your problem though ? [11:32:20] <rpcbqc> I have installed openSolaris (nevada) on my conputer but I cannot start tomcat web server [11:32:31] <rpcbqc> I'm new in solaris [11:39:06] <quasi> rpcbqc: most like you'd need someone who knows tomcat instead [11:39:40] <quasi> unless there's a more solaris specific issue hiding behind that question [11:41:07] <timsf> Okay, so have you checked out /etc/apache ? [11:41:18] <timsf> There's a readme.Solaris in there, [11:41:28] <timsf> with some instructions on how to enable Tomcat [11:42:14] *** swmackie has quit IRC [11:42:36] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [11:44:31] <rpcbqc> timsf I have uncommented the include line (include /etc/apache/tomcat.conf) in httpd.conf file. after I tryed http://localhost:8080 and http://localhost8008 but I not have any response from server [11:44:48] <timsf> is the server running ? [11:46:02] <timsf> (and you copied the file in /var okay ?) [11:49:31] <timsf> I did just those two things, and have Tomcat running on my laptop here... (running snv_68) [11:49:54] <timsf> (and can see http://localhost:8080 ) [11:50:03] <rpcbqc> timsf I have started the server whith apachechl start. I check and the httpd process is running but when I write apachectl status the command return me: "lynx: not found" what file I must copy in /var ? [11:50:26] <timsf> Read the file /etc/apache/README.Solaris [11:50:36] <rpcbqc> ok [11:50:51] <timsf> And start/stop the server with [11:51:00] <timsf> /etc/init.d/apache start [11:55:10] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [11:55:39] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [11:58:49] <rpcbqc> timsf now it run !!!!!! [11:58:50] *** reflect_ has quit IRC [11:58:59] <timsf> Marvellous! [11:59:49] <Cyrille> amazing the things one can do just by reading files named README. [12:00:05] <jpipkin> funny how that works [12:00:06] <Cyrille> you'd think they were put there for that purpose, or something. [12:01:33] <timsf> Actually, anyone know why we have 2 apache versions, and why our install of apache2 doesn't see to reference Tomcat ? [12:01:39] <timsf> (IANAWD) [12:01:58] <timsf> ("I am not a web developer" ;-) [12:01:59] <tsoome> to have half of internet in machine. [12:02:50] <tsoome> i think there should be all gnome versions installed, too [12:03:02] <tsoome> and emacs ofc, lots of emacs [12:03:13] <jpipkin> that boggled me for about five minutes. Just before I ripped 'em out and compiled Apache from source [12:03:24] <timsf> apache2 is nicely smf-enabled, but the old apache isn't, so clearly apache2 is what we expect ppl to use. [12:03:25] <jpipkin> oh, most of the OS could be replaced with emacs [12:03:26] <timsf> Odd. [12:03:29] <jpipkin> except the text editor. [12:04:13] <tsoome> afaik apache 1.3 is out of development anyhow, but apparently sun engineers love old stuff.. [12:04:21] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris [12:04:24] <rpcbqc> Cyrille when I try to start tomcat with command "/usr/apache/tomcat/bin/startup.sh" it search the xml file in /usr/apache/tomcat/config/server.xml [12:04:25] <PerterB> timsf: right, but they can't delete the old version without breaking stability guarentees [12:04:30] <tsoome> that also explains why they dont update all this gnu crap... [12:05:00] <PerterB> ie, you don't want to patch a server and suddenly have your web server disappear [12:05:02] <jpipkin> heh [12:05:10] <Cyrille> rpcbqc, sounds pretty good to me. [12:05:11] <timsf> Makes sense, I just think it's odd that apache2 doesn't have tomcat support baked in [12:05:28] <timsf> Perhaps it's something that will be addressed by the webstack project (whose name I forget...) [12:05:29] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris [12:05:30] <tsoome> if you cant read the patch readme, you deserve waht you get [12:05:46] <jpipkin> Apache 1.3 could be removed from OpenSolaris [12:05:55] <jpipkin> leaving it in S10 is understandable, but not OS [12:06:20] <PerterB> tsoome: that's the spirit! [12:06:34] <tsoome> lol:P [12:06:44] <timsf> (found the name of it - the web stack project. Who'd have thunk it. [12:06:47] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/webstack/ ) [12:06:56] <jpipkin> clever [12:07:33] <tsoome> well, no announcements, no news.... [12:08:10] *** bSON has joined #opensolaris [12:08:43] <jpipkin> that's a lot of stuff to be piling in [12:10:50] <aruiz> jpipkin, why would you remove apache 1.3? [12:11:15] *** cajetanus has left #opensolaris [12:11:37] <jpipkin> no use for it? [12:12:33] <tsoome> whya one should have 1.3 and 2 at the same time? [12:12:41] <tsoome> why* [12:13:10] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [12:13:35] <PerterB> you wouldn't use them at the same time, you'd use one or the other depending on your application [12:13:50] <timsf> Are the mod_* plugin APIs different between apache 1 and 2 -- if they arem [12:13:53] <jpipkin> you could use both at the same time [12:13:53] *** Berny has quit IRC [12:14:00] <timsf> s/arem/are [12:14:07] <timsf> then shipping both makes sense.. [12:14:12] <aruiz> jpipkin, lots of people use it, there are some modules that are not ported to 2.x yet, and lots of software to automate virtualhosts that relies on apache 1.x configuration format [12:14:31] <timsf> Right - what he said. Thanks aruiz! [12:14:32] *** halton has left #opensolaris [12:14:55] <aruiz> timsf, I'm becoming a backwards compatibility zealot [12:14:56] <jpipkin> so the rest of the world moves too slowly. oh well. [12:15:04] <aruiz> jpipkin, don't use it [12:15:07] <jpipkin> I don't [12:15:31] <timsf> Good stuff aruiz, we've trained you well ;-) [12:15:37] <jpipkin> what about tying Tomcat into Apache2? [12:15:51] <aruiz> jpipkin, most unix have gtk 1.2 included and that doesn't make gtk 2.x evolve slower [12:15:59] <tsoome> well, sun itself is moving too slowly - why arent tomcat and ipp ported to apache 2 for instance [12:16:26] <jpipkin> aruiz:: I get that, not arguing [12:16:38] <bSON> aruiz: did you already have the opportunity to try the cursor theme stuff i asked about yesterday? [12:17:03] <aruiz> bSON, I need to setup a jhbuild enviroment to try it [12:17:04] <migi> jpipkin, it's the same with postgresql, there are two in the newest nevada, just for backwards compability. [12:17:31] <aruiz> bSON, I'm quite busy atm [12:17:36] <jpipkin> 7 and 8? [12:17:39] * jpipkin looks. [12:17:56] <migi> jpipkin, svcs -l |grep postgre [12:18:09] <migi> jpipkin, 81 and 82 [12:18:19] <jpipkin> yeah, I see it [12:18:23] <jpipkin> had to move over to the OS box [12:18:25] <bSON> aruiz: oh, that's indeed quite time consuming... nevermind then, thanks anyway [12:18:44] <aruiz> bSON, I need to setup one at some point [12:18:45] <migi> jpipkin, and it have to be like this, since there are users using 81 and users 82 [12:19:02] <jpipkin> well, the PG argument holds considerably less wait [12:19:05] <jpipkin> weight, even [12:19:14] <migi> jpipkin, the only thing that we loose is hdd space, which now a days is very cheap [12:19:25] <jpipkin> because firstly this is OS, not S10, so it's a development system by nature [12:19:26] *** LuckyLuk1 has quit IRC [12:19:42] <jpipkin> and secondly because going from 8.1 to 8.2 is a simple dump and restore [12:19:46] <migi> jpipkin, but if you would use 81 than you wouldn't complain that it isn't there [12:20:26] <jpipkin> if I upgraded OS and it dumped and restored my databases I wouldn't know the difference [12:21:05] *** yongsun|wfh has quit IRC [12:21:13] <migi> jpipkin, anyway are u loosing something except few more MB ? [12:21:43] <jpipkin> my mind, but I doubt I'll miss it [12:21:52] <migi> :) [12:22:00] <bSON> aruiz: just tell me when you have/had the time to do so, i'll be around in #opensolaris until then [12:22:10] <aruiz> cool [12:22:16] <aruiz> bSON, what's the patch exactly for? [12:25:12] <bSON> aruiz: it enables basic cursor theme support if the X server doesn't support the Xcursor extension, like it currently does in the regular solaris X server i heard. in fact, this fallback code is there especially for solaris users. it was in gnome-mouse-properties before, but i had to carry it over, with several modifications, to the new appearance capplet [12:25:44] <aruiz> migi, do you know anyone on JDS that can take a look at that patch? [12:25:53] <aruiz> sorry, Solaris Desktop :) [12:27:41] <bSON> ohh :) [12:29:03] <calumb> sounds like something that Erwann might want to review... [12:29:28] <calumb> he looks after most of the theming-related patches... [12:31:18] *** jpipkin has quit IRC [12:33:11] *** calumb has quit IRC [12:33:29] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [12:34:27] <aruiz> bSON, there we go, ask Erwann whenever his around :) [12:36:01] <migi> aruiz, yes Erwann is the one that mixes on the X side [12:36:27] <bSON> aruiz: ok, thank you :) [12:37:18] *** jpipkin has joined #opensolaris [12:40:58] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:43:27] *** pippo98 has joined #opensolaris [12:44:48] *** dme_ has joined #opensolaris [12:45:03] *** dme_ has quit IRC [12:49:51] *** bSON has quit IRC [12:50:44] *** dme has quit IRC [12:51:02] *** dme has joined #opensolaris [12:56:47] *** bSON has joined #opensolaris [12:57:16] *** ichigo has joined #opensolaris [13:56:23] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [13:56:30] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [13:56:32] <razrX> # mount -F hsfs -o ro `lofiadm -a /path/to/iso/sol-nv-b69-x86-dvd.iso /dev/lofi/1` /dev/lofi/1 /mnt [13:56:37] <razrX> will do it for you [13:58:45] <Atomdrache> That's basically what I did. [13:58:45] <Atomdrache> And...apparently localeadm can't find the image when I tell it it's in /mnt. [13:58:45] <Atomdrache> The contents of the CD are there. I can cd into it and look at them. [14:00:58] <Atomdrache> Is there a way around this? [14:01:50] <Atomdrache> (A bit of background: I downloaded the language pack ISO for Solaris 10 SPARC and am attempting to set up localeadm. I don't have any of the official CDs on hand.) [14:01:53] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [14:03:09] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [14:03:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [14:03:33] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [14:05:23] *** pablomh has quit IRC [14:05:24] *** jamesd has quit IRC [14:06:05] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [14:06:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [14:07:00] <Atomdrache> I can apparently run the installer on the disc. [14:07:15] <Atomdrache> Would it do nasty things to SXCE to run the installer for Solaris 10's language CD? [14:08:33] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:12:41] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [14:16:04] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [15:11:44] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [15:12:59] <tsoome> compose? to get what chars? [15:14:09] <tsoome> if you are using C locale, you can get only ascii chars [15:14:09] <Atomdrache> To get any characters. [15:14:09] <Atomdrache> I haven't got compose to do anything. [15:14:09] <tsoome> you have to use some iso or better utf-8 locale [15:14:09] <Atomdrache> Except in some apps. [15:14:09] <Atomdrache> Like, if I use the compose key in gAIM, (compose) + " + o -> o-umlaut. [15:14:10] *** LuckyLuk1 has joined #opensolaris [15:14:13] <Atomdrache> That is, so far, the only application where it works right now. [15:14:34] <Atomdrache> But are you suggesting that if I installed a UTF-8 locale, that'd work in xterm? [15:14:54] <tsoome> this also depends on your shell settings, but yes [15:15:02] <Atomdrache> How do I edit those? [15:15:18] <tsoome> not sure about xterm, but dtterm/gnome-terminal will show them [15:15:29] <Atomdrache> echo $TERM says xterm. [15:15:30] <tsoome> man your shell [15:15:34] <Atomdrache> Okay. [15:16:46] <tsoome> your term may need stty cs8 and tcsh needs set dspmbyte=utf8 [15:17:16] <Atomdrache> Except there are no Unicode locales on here. At all. [15:17:20] <tsoome> stty defeucw may be needed as well [15:17:46] <Atomdrache> What's that do? [15:17:57] <tsoome> man stty:) [15:18:04] <Atomdrache> I'm doing that =P [15:18:52] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [15:18:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [15:18:52] <Atomdrache> Yeah, looks like I need the locale. [15:19:06] <Atomdrache> So this brings me to a previous question. [15:19:28] <Atomdrache> Why is it that when I mounted the ISO and pointed localeadm to it, it acted like it wasn't there? [15:19:33] <Atomdrache> I could go into that and look at the packages. [15:20:00] <Atomdrache> If it weren't for that, I'd have use of localeadm. [15:20:02] <tsoome> basics - your tty must allow to use those chars (get char with etc), shell should recognize them as displayable/printable and libc should do the same [15:20:16] <Atomdrache> What's libc? [15:20:29] <tsoome> last 2 are done by locale settings and some shells need some variable settings [15:20:54] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [15:20:59] <tsoome> libc and other system libs are used by apps;) [15:21:07] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [15:21:12] <Atomdrache> So the only one I should need to mess with directly is the terminal settings? [15:21:22] <tsoome> and you wanna make sure your apps can handlethe chars as well [15:22:31] <tsoome> ah, and yes, your desktop needs to be switched to correct locale as well, since default font path etc depends on that - but ofc you can use xset to manage fp [15:23:46] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [15:25:05] *** jamesd has quit IRC [15:25:08] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [15:25:25] <Atomdrache> Would it suffice to install the locale and tell Solaris to use it by modifying LC_ALL in /etc/default/init-something whose name I'd remember if I looked at it? [15:27:15] *** Berny has joined #opensolaris [15:28:07] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC [15:29:29] *** ciph3r has joined #OpenSolaris [15:29:42] <JWheeler> well this is tricky. My nfsd server has stopped working. I svcadm disabled svc/server, it's stuck, I tried truss /lib/svc/method/nfs-server stop, that's hung (ctrl-C/Z don't work), pkill -9 nfsd doesn't work... wtf?! [15:30:05] *** Auralis has quit IRC [15:30:47] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [15:31:53] <JWheeler> it's a snv_65 host [15:32:19] <Cyrille> what does the SMF log say? [15:32:34] <Cyrille> (/var/svc/logs) [15:32:47] <JWheeler> just that it's executed the stop method, and I see it hung like anything else that I've tried [15:33:27] <Cyrille> it might be stuck on a mount point which is in use or something. [15:33:48] <JWheeler> well, this is the _server_ that we're talking about here? [15:33:57] *** m0le has joined #opensolaris [15:34:28] <Cyrille> I know. [15:34:57] *** renihs has quit IRC [15:35:01] <Cyrille> how about the other nfs related processes? [15:35:23] <JWheeler> I went through with a svcs | grep nfs, and svcadm disable -t'd them all :) [15:35:30] <JWheeler> ... it didn't help, heh [15:35:39] <Cyrille> and did they respond or are they still running? [15:35:53] <Cyrille> (you might need to kill another process first was my thought) [15:35:58] <JWheeler> they all stopped ok [15:36:06] <Cyrille> ah ok. [15:36:25] <Atomdrache> About how severely could I potentially break my operating system by using the Solaris 10 langcd's installation program in SXCE? [15:36:43] <Atomdrache> I have asked already whether something could go wrong. I want to determine whether that is a worthwhile risk. [15:37:04] <JWheeler> I agree, it seems like it's hung on something, but outside of kill -9, I don't quite know what comes next [15:37:26] <Cyrille> check with ps whether another process is related to that one? [15:37:39] <JWheeler> er, would that be ptree? [15:38:12] <Cyrille> ptree is for lazy people, ps | grep is for real men who can't remember that ptree is available ;-) [15:38:21] <Cyrille> yes, ptree. [15:38:59] <JWheeler> does ps | grep give you any form of dependancies though? [15:39:27] <Atomdrache> Cyrille: I use ps | grep primarily because I don't know what I'm doing :D [15:39:34] <Cyrille> not really, I was just thinking of doing it hard way, get the ppid and pid of the stuck process, ps | grep for that, rince, repeat. [15:39:36] <JWheeler> I can't see anything all that helpful [15:39:45] <JWheeler> fair enough [15:40:05] <Cyrille> no, it doesn't look like there's much of a tree associated with nfsd. [15:40:21] <JWheeler> ppid is 1.. [15:40:28] <Cyrille> did you your truss before your pkill? [15:40:32] <Cyrille> ^you^you do [15:40:51] <Cyrille> and is it still stuck [15:40:52] <Cyrille> ? [15:41:12] <JWheeler> noyb, I did the pkill first, but the truss is still stuck [15:41:18] <JWheeler> *no, [15:41:52] *** e^ipi_ has quit IRC [15:41:56] <JWheeler> I also tried manually stopping using the svcs stop method, so I have a few hung tasks all trying to bring down nfs [15:41:57] <JWheeler> 718 sh [15:41:59] <JWheeler> 719 bash [15:42:00] <JWheeler> 784 /sbin/sh /lib/svc/method/nfs-server stop [15:42:01] <JWheeler> 788 /usr/sbin/sharemgr stop -P nfs -a [15:42:03] <JWheeler> 793 truss /lib/svc/method/nfs-server stop [15:42:05] <Cyrille> and can you kill the truss (not that I think it'll help much)? [15:42:05] <JWheeler> 794 /sbin/sh /lib/svc/method/nfs-server stop [15:42:08] <JWheeler> 798 /usr/sbin/sharemgr stop -P nfs -a [15:42:29] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris [15:42:38] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [15:42:42] <Cyrille> well you should be able to get rid of these. Aren't there any zombie processes? [15:43:35] <JWheeler> I didn't think solaris had zombies? What's the ps flag to check? [15:44:29] <Cyrille> usually show up with ps -ef | grep defunct [15:44:48] <JWheeler> hmm, well none of those for me [15:45:28] <JWheeler> it's just sleeping, apparently [15:45:50] <JWheeler> The underlying fs that nfs was serving is still alive and well as far as I can tell [15:48:02] <JWheeler> I'm sure that dtrace would provide some kind of an answer, but I'm just not that skilled [15:48:20] <JWheeler> this is a real M$ style problem, the service won't stop, and I can't do anything about it, but reboot [15:48:21] <Cyrille> maybe pfiles or pstack might give you some info on the process, though there's a chance they're going to hang too. [15:48:43] <jmcp> JWheeler: it's quite possibly stuck in a cv_wait in the kernel [15:49:44] *** boro has joined #opensolaris [15:49:49] <JWheeler> # ps -ef | grep nfs/ | grep -v grep [15:49:49] <JWheeler> daemon 487 1 0 Jul 18 ? 6:41 /usr/lib/nfs/nfsd [15:49:49] <JWheeler> # pfiles 487 [15:49:49] <JWheeler> pfiles: no such process: 487 [15:50:00] <JWheeler> I think I need help with pfiles =) [15:50:01] *** mlh has quit IRC [15:50:46] <JWheeler> what's a cv_wait jmcp? [15:51:20] <jmcp> JWheeler: it's a function which waits for a "condition variable" [15:51:41] <jmcp> ie, there's some resource within the kernel which the thread you're interested in is waiting to acquire [15:52:03] <Cyrille> like, the CPU fan or the earphones ;-) [15:52:29] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [15:53:01] * jmcp rolls eyes @ Cyrille [15:53:09] <Cyrille> sorry. [15:53:35] <Atomdrache> Well, I can't find place to download an SXCE language CD, so I'll just use the Solaris 10 langcd ISO. (It can't break my computer *too* badly.) [15:53:50] <Atomdrache> (both do use localeadm) [15:53:53] <Cyrille> famous last words. [15:54:02] <JWheeler> Atomdrache, I really have no idea sorry, it's got to be worth a try [15:54:10] *** rpcbqc has quit IRC [15:54:15] <Atomdrache> If I speak box drawing characters next time I come in here, you'll know I was mistaken :D [15:54:18] <JWheeler> can you afford to rebuild the SXCE box if you have to? [15:54:36] <Atomdrache> Umm...it would really, extremely suck, but I could do it. Why? [15:54:39] <JWheeler> jmcp, am I remembering correctly that you're a FC expert? [15:54:56] <JWheeler> (which of course isn't a loaded question at all... no no...never..) [15:55:03] <jmcp> JWheeler: :) [15:55:08] <jmcp> I've moved on from FC to SAS [15:55:13] <JWheeler> my my [15:55:15] <jmcp> I still remember a few things about FC though [15:55:17] <Cyrille> it's a trap, jmcp! [15:55:23] * jmcp starts running [15:55:45] <JWheeler> Can I just ask a fairly basic question, that's going to make me sound a bit silly until I explain it further [15:56:01] <jmcp> sure [15:56:08] <JWheeler> why is it, that you can't connect a 2 port FC HBA into *1* FC-AL? [15:56:22] <JWheeler> obviously I have a target in that loop too... [15:56:49] <jmcp> not sure I quite understand what you're asking [15:57:12] <JWheeler> We don't have a fabric, and I've run low on SAN ports, so I figured heck, why not connect both FC ports on the HBA to the SAN loop... but it doesn't appear to work [15:57:33] <tsoome> you should have only 1 initiator in loop [15:57:40] <jmcp> ah, right [15:58:01] <jmcp> so when you say "it doesn't work" what are you seeing? what did you hope would work but does not work? [15:58:21] <tsoome> it should work - or you cant run a cluster [15:58:40] <tsoome> but perhaps it depends on actual hw... [15:58:43] <JWheeler> We're using a 3510, in a dual controller configuration. The top and bottom controller ports are in fact actually one loop. Normally you'd be doing all manner of criss-crossing, the short of is is that we can't in our configuration, so I thought I'd try 1 hba, with port A to the top controller, and port B to the bottom. [15:59:14] <jmcp> you still haven't told me what your problem is [15:59:38] <JWheeler> I can't even see the targets. In theory both ports would see both controller targets. Now I'm using VMware ESX, so I'm afraid my troubleshooting options are very limited from the service console [16:00:06] <JWheeler> sorry, it's late, I did a 14 hour day trying to get this working, and it's nearing 2am.... my typing isn't too flash or fast tonight :) [16:00:20] <jmcp> when you connect to the management port of the 3510, can you see the initiator port-wwn and the disks? [16:00:23] <JWheeler> (and I came home to a dead nfs server... it's been a good end to the week!) [16:00:53] *** AtomicPnk has joined #opensolaris [16:00:56] <JWheeler> ah... I didn't actually think to look at it from that end. Good idea! [16:01:33] *** Bart_M has quit IRC [16:01:33] *** phips has quit IRC [16:01:41] *** phips has joined #opensolaris [16:01:41] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris [16:02:39] <JWheeler> I tried to do the same thing for our expansion shelf. 1 loop/channel, but both the top/bottom controllers going to a single, or both drive loops on the expansion unit. That didn't work either, so I was starting to think I was seeing a trend :) [16:03:16] <jmcp> have you cabled the 3510 in accordance with the manuals? [16:03:30] <jmcp> istr the manuals are quite explicit about what cabling configs actually work [16:03:43] <JWheeler> I was having visions of a loop within a loop when you have 1 WWN, appearing via 2 WWPNs, on a single FC-AL, and I thought maybe there would be the FC equivilent of spanning-tree kicking in there :) [16:04:11] <jmcp> not in a private loop, no [16:04:33] <jmcp> switches will do OSPF for fabric, if you've got things setup properly and actually need it [16:05:07] <JWheeler> What I'm doing doesn't match the manuals, and I'm accordingly quite happy to accept that it won't work, however all the suggested configs are for maximal redundancy, and I'm forced to sacrifice some redundancy to reclaim a couple of host ports. It's my risk, and it's only a SATA shelf for near-line backups anyway. [16:05:19] *** AtomicPnk has quit IRC [16:06:49] <JWheeler> The bottom line is that we really need switches, however that wasn't at all obvious when we ordered the disk expansion unit... it turns out that while FC expansion shelves use the dedicated expansion FC ports on the SAN, SATA shelve's hog 2 channels (4 SFPs), which means that I can't actually plug in my backup server [16:07:16] <JWheeler> So I either have my backup server connected, but no storage for it to use, or storage to the SAN, but I'm unable to plug in the backup server. Neat huh? :) [16:07:27] *** bengtf has quit IRC [16:07:31] <jmcp> JWheeler: so go and get the PO to spend the money to do it right [16:07:36] <JWheeler> that's why I've been attempting crazy ideas with single path bits, and these funny loops ;) [16:08:03] <JWheeler> ah, what a world that would be to live in :) [16:08:06] <tsoome> well, strictly speaking, you dont have SAN, just DAS :P [16:08:11] <purserj> jmcp: sometimes its easier to go through the hacked up solution path than get a PO [16:08:19] <jmcp> purserj: true, true [16:08:26] <jmcp> and sometimes it isn't [16:08:41] <JWheeler> tsoome, quite true... [16:08:49] <jmcp> I've tried to help numerous customers over the years who didn't want to spend the money (sometimes < USD1000) to do things properly [16:09:01] <jmcp> and I got jack of it. [16:09:05] <tsoome> but some entry lvl switch is not that expensive, i'd go for it. [16:09:32] <purserj> jmcp: imagine this. A nation wide WAN with video and VOIP being thrown across 2MB ADSL links provided by DoDo [16:09:52] <jmcp> 2Mb? and Dodo? yeeeeeek [16:10:01] <purserj> yeah [16:10:02] <JWheeler> jmcp, doing it right is of course preferable, and I have asked for quotes on FC switches, for the record. I'm an engineer (just not a storage engineer - clearly), so I like to explore these things, and I"ve been doing it all on my own time [16:10:14] <purserj> Now imagine doing helpdesk for that [16:10:31] *** AtomicPnk has joined #opensolaris [16:10:44] <JWheeler> If I can better learn how all this works in DAS mode, only to change to Fabric later, so be it, but I've learned, and become a hero for a day... in my mind at least :) [16:11:13] <jmcp> JWheeler: ok, here's the advice from the bloke who used to provide high-end support for SANs - do it right first time (or as close to that as possible). Don't futz around and waste your time trying to get this current config to do what it very clearly cannot do [16:11:56] <tsoome> thats wise [16:11:57] <JWheeler> fair advice [16:12:34] <JWheeler> The trouble is simply that I'm in the expansion/implementation stage, not the planning phase [16:13:53] <JWheeler> I'm the type that needs to have least say to management, look, I tried every possible option there is that didn't involve buying additional hardware. And to be honest, it's a little selfish, I love learning this stuff along the way anyway, even if it does ultimately end fruitlessly :) [16:14:20] <jmcp> so you've learnt stuff about this config: it doesn't do what you want it to do [16:15:08] <JWheeler> I have, and along the way I learnt about lun masking, bus resets, lips... all things I didn't know a thing about on monday :) [16:16:11] <JWheeler> And of course the valuble life lession that is, you really don't want FC-AL, you need fabric to scale :) [16:17:22] <JWheeler> even when you're well within the limits of the unit, as promised by the sales guys when you bought it. Heh, I'm still young and naive eh [16:17:35] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [16:18:09] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [16:20:09] <tsoome> ? [16:20:36] <tsoome> well, you have some options i guess - host connections versus expansion [16:20:49] <tsoome> and doubled host connections or single ones [16:21:03] <JWheeler> heh, I would, expect this project is to add storage for a host [16:21:23] <JWheeler> in any other situation, one of the other would have been ok. For this, the project was to do both [16:21:38] <JWheeler> *except [16:22:24] <JWheeler> Now technically, the expansion unit is just a jbod, so I could bypass the 3510 DAS controllers altogether, but I really don't want to go down that route [16:22:51] <tsoome> and tbh, its always good to check docs, or at least to get opinions from more than 1 person, ppl do make mistakes.. [16:22:54] <JWheeler> the compromise is that I've had to stop multipathing our ESX nodes, to free up some ports :/ [16:23:12] <JWheeler> indeed. Lesson learnt on that one. [16:27:22] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan [16:30:22] *** ichigo has quit IRC [16:34:24] *** farak has joined #opensolaris [16:36:45] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [16:37:45] *** bunker has quit IRC [16:42:40] <JWheeler> well, I shall call it a night [16:43:06] <JWheeler> thanks for the advice jmcp, I do value your opinion [16:43:28] <JWheeler> lets hope FC switches have come down since I last priced them - if so, I may be able to sneak them in :) [16:43:28] *** reflect has quit IRC [16:43:31] *** chrisb17 has quit IRC [16:43:35] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [16:44:08] <jmcp> JWheeler: you're welcome. try ebay, btw :) [16:44:32] <JWheeler> That would may for an interesting PO :) [16:44:33] <JWheeler> *make [16:47:22] <jmcp> I've met engineers who built their entire company's infrastructure out of ebay purchases [16:48:49] <JWheeler> I guess that's the hardware equivelent of building a company using FOSS in the linux would, most of it won't be commercially supported - but you can't argue with the price :) [16:49:58] <m0le> JWheler: Alot GNU software is still really great even though it is "free" [16:50:46] <JWheeler> oh, agreed. It's more the larger packages that would keep me up at night [16:51:23] <m0le> I don't know if I could survive without gcc and emacs hehe [16:52:51] <JWheeler> I don't quite know when it happened, but I've noticed over the past few days that when my brain has been thinking gmp<tab> (for gmplayer), my fingers have been typing gmake.... too much late night blastwave for me! [16:54:04] <m0le> JWheeler, Now that can always be fun late at night. [16:55:47] <m0le> I have not seen a whole lot about KDE working on Solaris has anyone gotten it to work well in here? [16:57:01] <g4lt-mordant> microsoft's answer to the project blackbox tour ;P http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2007072416 [16:57:32] <Abe_Froman> project bluescreen tour? 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[17:57:28] *** anilg has quit IRC [17:57:50] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [17:58:23] <sickness> "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3" [17:58:35] <Atomdrache> Installing the remaining three packages for en_US.UTF-8 just created a broken installation of the eastern Europe locale, while using the Solaris 10 langcd made Solaris run spectacularly slow and created about eight "couldn't set locale" messages. Apparently that is not the way to do it. [17:58:45] <Atomdrache> So I had to get rid of all that. [18:01:22] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [18:01:54] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:01:59] <Atomdrache> So does anybody have any advice for getting en_US.UTF-8 working as a locale without reinstalling my operating system? [18:02:27] <Atomdrache> Haven't had much luck with localeadm. [18:02:35] <Atomdrache> It wants the langcd, but I can't get the correct one. [18:03:14] <Atomdrache> (if somebody can point me to the SXCE langcd, I will be very grateful; Sun's download site can only point me to the Solaris 10 disc, which proved to be a bad idea) [18:04:49] *** whaq_ has quit IRC [18:05:08] *** whaq_ has joined #opensolaris [18:06:09] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:08:01] *** e^ipi_ has quit IRC [18:10:40] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [18:12:06] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [18:12:57] <Jondice> anyone know a good channel for Xlib/Xt/Xaw? [18:13:30] <Jondice> #xorg seems kinda dead [18:13:43] <anilg> Atomdrache: http://get.opensolaris.org [18:13:59] *** bSO1 has joined #opensolaris [18:14:46] <anilg> also http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ [18:15:53] <RElling> Xt? Xaw? You might check the Blue Horizons Retirement Home for old programmers :-) [18:16:12] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [18:16:46] <Jondice> i'm 23 =p [18:16:51] <Jondice> but this app is a bit old heh [18:18:04] <Atomdrache> There's a langcd there? [18:18:07] <Atomdrache> Last I looked I couldn't find it. [18:18:30] <anilg> whats a langcd ? [18:18:30] <cmn_err> hmmm... a langcd is probably the cd marked languages [18:18:58] <Jondice> RElling, conveniently enough, it at leas tmeans I didn't have to worry about some library changing the API in the last 10 years... [18:19:27] <Atomdrache> And I haven't been able to find that for SXCE anywhere. [18:19:35] <RElling> yeah, I don't think it has been touched in 10 years, alanc might remember [18:19:41] <Atomdrache> I'll keep looking, but it hasn't proven very promising. 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[20:31:34] <trochej> m0le: Sorry, not yet. We only translated ZFS admin guide, dtrace is far on our list :) [20:31:43] <trochej> m0le: But when we do, I believe, I will be :) [20:31:56] <m0le> trochej: sweet :) [20:36:10] *** cydork has quit IRC [20:38:56] <Mdx4> any news on the XEN integration ? [20:39:24] <trochej> Mdx4: Something on the planet.opensolaris.org was about that, but can't remember details [20:41:02] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [20:41:05] *** libkeise1 is now known as libkeiser [20:41:49] <pizdec> trochej, which language? [20:42:13] <pizdec> Mdx4, did you check opensolaris page for xen group/project? [20:42:31] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [20:44:09] <trochej> pizdec: Polish [20:44:21] *** USSJoin has joined #opensolaris [20:45:04] <sommerfeld> Mdx4: new snapshot of Xen based on nevada build 66 is out [20:49:47] <Mdx4> thank you for the infos.. [20:54:02] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [20:54:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [20:54:59] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [20:55:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [20:57:49] *** dj2 has left #opensolaris [21:00:22] <CIA-26> fw157321: 6585436 missing build target causes some builds to break [21:00:33] *** Gropi has quit IRC [21:02:08] *** farak has quit IRC [21:05:57] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [21:07:15] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [21:07:49] *** reflect_ has quit IRC [21:07:54] *** jharr has joined #opensolaris [21:08:59] <jharr> I'm trying to setup a restrictive ipf ruleset. I need to let NFS through for a certain subnet, I have rpcbind and nfsd, but it seems that the client is still trying to contact port 32785. [21:09:10] <jharr> iirc, rpc services with sun change ports they operate on [21:09:24] <jharr> is there anyway to fix that to a specific port so that I can make my firewall predictable? [21:11:04] <stevel> google NFS and insecure vs. secure ports [21:12:21] *** jamesd has quit IRC [21:12:24] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [21:12:28] <sommerfeld> NFS itself almost always runs on port 2049 but the mount protocol will wander [21:12:48] <jharr> insecure/secure only affects where the client binds from, iirc. [21:12:54] <jharr> not anything to do with the server ports. [21:13:26] <jharr> is there any decent way around this besides "just allow these hosts everything"? [21:14:01] <stevel> ah, i misread then [21:18:30] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest SXCE 69 | Latest ON 69 | Starter kits: http://get.opensolaris.org" [21:18:57] *** stevel has quit IRC [21:22:08] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [21:23:52] *** Gman has quit IRC [21:28:19] <pizdec> 69 woot woot [21:30:40] *** Chihan has quit IRC [21:41:17] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [21:42:55] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [21:45:44] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [21:46:02] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [21:51:13] *** FireflyST has quit IRC [21:52:09] *** leal has joined #opensolaris [21:52:14] <leal> hello... [21:52:30] <leal> how many filesystems can i create on a zfs pool? [21:52:35] <_mary_kate_> as many as you want [21:52:51] <leal> i did see that bug: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6386929 [21:52:52] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/22sgxm [21:53:20] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [21:53:30] <leal> and i did a try... creating 50000... and the machine hangs on 42766 [21:54:26] <sommerfeld> leal: right, there's no hard limit but there are some scaling issues that are being worked on [21:54:46] <leal> _mary_kate: but in theory could not be "infinite" like snapshots, right? should have a limit... [21:54:49] <tomww> leal: 42766 is a bit low, isn't it :-) indeed there are use cases where 50.000 users exist. [21:54:53] <leal> sommerfeld: thanks. [21:55:52] <leal> tomww: but that many filesystems is not my case... i'm just testing... i did see that post: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/xperts/sessions/21_zfs/index.jsp?xpertQuestions=2 [21:55:53] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/yoabdb [21:56:43] <leal> and there is a user that with 30000 FS the server took approximately four hours to unshare/unmount each user's file system [21:57:05] *** deather has quit IRC [21:57:30] <leal> thanks [21:57:35] *** deather has joined #opensolaris [21:58:22] *** m0le has quit IRC [21:58:23] <leal> sommerfeld: i think i must boot the server in single user to destroy that pool... :))) the server does not boot anymore... [22:00:25] <sommerfeld> leal: boot single-user, whack /etc/zfs/zpool.cache [22:00:35] <sommerfeld> leal: that's equivalent to exporting the pool [22:01:19] <leal> sommerfeld: sorry... whack?? [22:01:29] <sommerfeld> delete [22:03:23] <asyd> \_o< [22:04:28] <leal> sommerfeld: So, in theory there is no limit? [22:06:43] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [22:12:16] *** Dink has quit IRC [22:14:53] *** Dink has joined #opensolaris [22:16:07] *** kuitang has joined #opensolaris [22:23:49] *** WickedWicky has joined #opensolaris [22:24:36] <WickedWicky> ellows [22:25:43] <tomww> Hi WickedWicky [22:26:16] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [22:26:18] <WickedWicky> how are you? [22:27:33] <richlowe> leal: boot can drag with many many filesystems (hence the zfs mount -v stuff), but I don't think there's a limit you would hit in practice (beyond the capabilities of the hardware) [22:28:36] <tomww> WickedWicky: fine :-) except I need a bit more sleep :) [22:30:36] <leal> richlowe: ok, so the problem is a "bug" and are being worked on like sommerfeld did say... [22:31:01] <leal> richlowe: i don't need that many filesystems... i was just trying. [22:31:45] <leal> now i don't know if i wait to see if the server is "booting", and how long will take, or boot in single user and fix that. :) [22:32:12] <richlowe> and that last question is why zfs mount -v is there now. :) [22:34:51] <sommerfeld> the goal is that zfs should be able to cope with very large filesystem counts [22:35:41] <richlowe> sommerfeld: yes, I was just pointing out that -v is there so you can answer the "is this actually booting?" question before such a time. [22:38:04] <WickedWicky> quick question: how do I tell opensolaris to bring up my network without using nwam? [22:38:52] <richlowe> disable network/physical:nwam, and enable network/physical:default, I think. [22:39:26] <WickedWicky> let's see [22:40:13] <tomww> ... and put the richt /etc/hostname.<ifname> /etc/defaultrouter /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf on the disk :) [22:40:20] <tomww> s/richt/right/ [22:40:31] <WickedWicky> yea I did the last part [22:40:41] <WickedWicky> but seems I overlooked enabling network/phusical [22:40:47] <WickedWicky> ow [22:40:55] <WickedWicky> net-physical fails with status 96 [22:41:06] <WickedWicky> let's google what that means [22:41:25] <tomww> nwam is much stronger since younger .-) [22:41:46] <WickedWicky> well [22:41:49] <tomww> you could type: svcs -xv and look for the logfile-name in the output [22:41:57] *** sbahra has quit IRC [22:42:10] <WickedWicky> tomww: nwam calld dhcpagent for my network interface [22:42:35] <tomww> network/physical:nwam is already disabled? [22:42:44] <WickedWicky> yesh [22:42:56] <WickedWicky> I gave you the reason why I dont wanna use nwam [22:43:11] <tomww> yes, you want a static config [22:44:05] <tomww> and what tells the logfile of network/physical:default about the error? [22:44:09] *** kuitang has left #opensolaris [22:44:26] <tomww> I would say, missing entries in /etc/netmask /etc/networks ? [22:44:33] <WickedWicky> the /etc/svc/volatile/network-physical:default.log tells me rtls0: cannot assign requested address [22:44:38] <WickedWicky> which is just silly [22:44:51] <WickedWicky> or not [22:44:52] <WickedWicky> fuck me [22:44:55] <WickedWicky> brb [22:45:06] <tomww> if you typ: getent hosts theinterfacname what tells this? [22:45:15] <richlowe> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/phase0/ [22:45:49] <WickedWicky> naw, I see it already, for some odd reason "lilith" was added to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts and to 192.168.1.2 [22:46:08] <WickedWicky> I would swear I fixed that yesterday [22:46:54] <WickedWicky> it's working now [22:47:01] <WickedWicky> thanks [22:47:12] <tomww> I don't know what nwam does in all, but possibly the entry was done by nwam, to have a valid nameresolution on the nodename, while not connected to the network [22:47:21] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [22:47:24] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris [22:47:30] <WickedWicky> possible [22:48:31] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [22:48:36] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [22:49:52] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [22:50:48] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [22:50:56] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [22:52:11] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris [22:52:43] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [22:55:20] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [23:00:05] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [23:04:27] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [23:04:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [23:06:59] *** Dink has quit IRC [23:10:20] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [23:10:39] *** trs81 has quit IRC [23:11:57] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [23:13:50] *** theRealballchalk has left #opensolaris [23:15:18] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [23:15:43] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC [23:15:59] *** Darth_Wa1er is now known as Darth_Wader [23:17:01] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris [23:19:55] *** jamesd has quit IRC [23:20:03] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [23:23:15] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [23:23:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [23:23:35] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [23:25:01] *** derchris has quit IRC [23:25:13] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [23:25:30] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [23:30:24] *** root___ has joined #opensolaris [23:30:28] *** zooko has joined #opensolaris [23:30:52] <zooko> Howdy folks! Do you know how I can get a list of which fds are open by a given process and what resource they point to? [23:31:02] <richlowe> pfiles [23:36:04] <theRealballchalk> howdy [23:36:12] *** zooko has quit IRC [23:36:30] *** leal has quit IRC [23:38:29] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [23:39:02] *** zooko has joined #opensolaris [23:39:11] <axisys> is it 9600 8N1 for x4200 serial console? [23:39:15] <zooko> richlowe: thanks! [23:41:19] <axisys> how do I know if it is X4200 or X4200 M2 .. i have physical access to the box [23:42:11] <pizdec> check it's sexual organs? [23:42:43] <axisys> hehe [23:43:10] <pizdec> is it kitty or puppy? [23:43:50] *** nostoi has quit IRC [23:44:34] <pizdec> theRealballchalk, does your nick have reference to mountain climbing? [23:46:05] *** jharr has quit IRC [23:46:07] <theRealballchalk> hehe, no, why? [23:46:10] <axisys> i am in [23:46:21] <axisys> whats the first time username passwd on SP? [23:46:25] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [23:46:26] <axisys> root/changeme? [23:46:34] <axisys> nm [23:46:37] *** pjlv has quit IRC [23:46:37] <axisys> i am in [23:46:59] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [23:47:05] <axisys> how do change the net sp ip? [23:47:54] *** soulie has joined #opensolaris [23:47:59] <soulie> hello :P [23:48:20] <soulie> does anyone know a good defragmentation tool [23:48:27] <soulie> using the build in windows one but zomg [23:49:00] <axisys> nm [23:49:10] <soulie> will need to run that 10 more times [23:49:15] <soulie> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [23:52:08] *** m0le has joined #opensolaris [23:57:47] <axisys> how do I force a start /SP/console ? right now it is thru serial .. i want to force it thru net [23:57:54] <axisys> i am connected on both side [23:58:01] <axisys> but net says console already in use [23:58:26] <axisys> i am looking for a command similar to sp> console -f [23:58:34] <axisys> but on x4200 ofcourse [23:59:26] *** delewis has quit IRC