[00:00:29] <CIA-26> gd78059: 6582429 After cpr resume, sb-100 and sb-1000 systems become unreachable and applications may fail, 6585025 eri driver lost access to a bunch of ndd tunables, 6585027 eri statistics are garbage after a resume, 6585042 eri hardware checksum incompatible with vlans
[00:00:48] <tomww> wanted ... (wild west)
[00:01:12] <gdamore> and there it is....
[00:01:14] <_mary_kate_> what card is eri?
[00:01:28] <gdamore> onboard 10/100 for sunblade 100, 150, 1000, and 1500.
[00:01:43] <gdamore> probably for certain older netra gear, as well.
[00:01:55] <_mary_kate_> sun designed a new chip just for that?
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[00:02:09] <gdamore> its an incremental update to the happy meal.
[00:02:13] <_mary_kate_> ah
[00:02:17] <gdamore> by the way this chip is also found in *macintosh* computers.
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[00:02:34] <gdamore> and also on the gem older fiber gige cards, although it uses a different driver.
[00:02:37] <nachox> eri is the driver everyone likes to bash?
[00:02:44] <richlowe> no, that's cassini.
[00:02:46] <richlowe> ce(7D)
[00:02:51] <richlowe> gdamore's next target. ;)
[00:02:52] <jmcp_> I like bashing both
[00:02:53] <gdamore> and i prefer to tcsh it.
[00:03:28] <gdamore> i am not holding my breath for cassini.  i haven't worked on it in a while, and its a political minefield.  fraught with peril.
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[00:03:47] <nachox> is there anyone actually using it?
[00:03:57] <richlowe> ce? a whole lot of people with sparc machines.
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[00:05:59] <jpdrawneek> whats the new eri driver like?  I really want to use ip-excluse thingy with them
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[00:09:39] <gdamore> jpdrawneek: it works.
[00:09:48] <jpdrawneek> nice
[00:10:03] <gdamore> but you want those fixes if you're going to use vlans, need ndd support, or suspend/resume support.
[00:10:19] <jpdrawneek> any idea when qfe are up for new drivers
[00:10:40] <jpdrawneek> trying to do some fixes on the cheap
[00:11:04] <trygvis> suspend/resume of what?
[00:11:18] <richlowe> the system.
[00:11:20] <jpdrawneek> quad e1000g are expencive :(
[00:11:21] <richlowe> cpr.
[00:11:44] <gdamore> qfe in a build or two, I think.
[00:11:53] <trygvis> hm, I didn't know solaris supported that at all. how can I make it suspend?
[00:12:04] <jpdrawneek> 73-74ish ?
[00:12:05] <gdamore> actually, you could make *hme* work with qfe cards, and get the same features.
[00:12:10] <richlowe> trygvis: use a sparc machine.
[00:12:11] <gdamore> 72-73ish.
[00:12:20] <gdamore> but only for sparc.
[00:12:36] <jpdrawneek> that would be great - all i have got is sparc
[00:13:29] <gdamore> you could use hme today... rem_drv qfe; update_drv -a -i '"SUNW,pci-qfe"' hme
[00:13:41] <jpdrawneek> quick q on suspend - on my sb1500 it seems to have stopped working b66
[00:14:05] <gdamore> well, in b67 it could have been a problem with the eri driver.
[00:14:13] <gdamore> i dunno about b66 though.
[00:14:26] <jpdrawneek> sb1500 does not use eri
[00:14:40] <gdamore> oh, maybe i'm confusing it with sb1000/2000?
[00:14:46] <jpdrawneek> yes
[00:14:55] <jpdrawneek> bge for sb1500
[00:15:04] <gdamore> what happens when you try to suspend?
[00:15:15] <jpdrawneek> it shuts down fine
[00:15:28] <gdamore> and on resume?
[00:15:33] <jpdrawneek> on the restart - about half way through it borks
[00:15:40] <gdamore> define "borks"
[00:15:52] <jpdrawneek> some numbers - not as expected
[00:16:02] <gdamore> ?
[00:17:22] <jpdrawneek> for the look its does a check on the memory dump on resume, and it does not match what it should
[00:17:41] <gdamore> that sounds bad.
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[00:17:49] <jpdrawneek> you don't say
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[00:17:54] <gdamore> maybe your dump partition is corrupt?
[00:18:02] <jpdrawneek> could be
[00:18:08] <jpdrawneek> new disks though
[00:18:19] <jpdrawneek> any way to check?
[00:18:20] <gdamore> all the more reason for them to be suspect.
[00:18:37] <gdamore> try different drives, or allocate a different partition for dump/cpr state.
[00:18:52] <jpdrawneek> ok - how?
[00:19:22] <gdamore> damnifiknow.
[00:19:36] <jpdrawneek> ok
[00:19:38] <gdamore> i'd have to research it... i'm pretty sure there is some config for it though.
[00:20:01] <_mary_kate_> (dumpadm?)
[00:20:05] <nachox> coreadm?
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[00:21:50] <FireflyST> anyone use a USB sparc with a KVM switch?
[00:22:10] <jpdrawneek> power.conf -> statefile
[00:22:18] <gdamore> you beat me to it.
[00:22:49] <gdamore> yes.
[00:22:56] <gdamore> Firefly: I have one I use frequently.
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[00:24:29] <gdamore> iogear extreme miniview 4-port kvm works well... supports USB-equipped sun's properly.
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[00:26:04] <jpdrawneek> statefile //.CPR - that mean the file is in the root folder
[00:26:16] <jmcp_> directory
[00:26:28] <jmcp_> yes, it's in the root directory
[00:28:25] <jpdrawneek> how much space does the suspend take up?
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[00:29:37] <jmcp_> dunno, never actually used it
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[00:35:35] <BatonT> i have an issue with a ZFS pool,   got a new drive added it to system and ran a zfs replace (to replace an old drive)  except the new drive has already failed before the replace could complete  so now my pool is trying to do a replace to a drive that does not exist anymore
[00:35:43] <BatonT> anyone know how i can fix this?
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[00:41:16] <tomww> BatonT: is it a FC-disk or a normal scsi or a sata... ?
[00:42:06] <BatonT> sata (raidz1 over 4 drives)
[00:42:49] <BatonT> i have 2 x 400 2 x 500   and i want to replace the 2 400s with 500s   so put a new 500 in and did a replace
[00:43:08] <BatonT> the new 500 seems to be dead (write errors come up on system console)
[00:44:05] <BatonT> so i took the drive out and rebooted and its still wanting to replace a 400 with the missing 500
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[00:48:46] <BatonT> tomww: any ideas?
[00:53:16] <tomww> sorry for the delay. i was busy.
[00:53:23] <BatonT> thats ok
[00:53:35] <tomww> so with sata you don't have the fibre-channl disks issue with the WWN changing
[00:54:04] <BatonT> ok
[00:54:30] <jmcp_> whoa ... what do you mean, wwn changing?
[00:54:35] <jmcp_> tomww: please explain
[00:54:46] <tomww> I think you have two groups, each consisting of the mirrored disks .
[00:55:22] <tomww> oh, with disks using the fibre-channel interface, you address every disk by it worldwide unique number
[00:55:57] <jmcp_> I'm very concerned about your idea that the wwn changes, because it doesn't, so I would like to understand what you're talking about
[00:56:52] <tomww> jmcp_: if you ever had fun with chaning disks with WWNs, the you remember luxadm and friends.
[00:57:52] <nachox> jmcp_, you were complaining about kernel filesystem that was proposed for iscsi or something like that right?
[00:58:05] <jmcp_> tomww: that's a different issue to what you mentioned 5 minutes ago
[00:58:07] <jmcp_> nachox: yes
[00:58:14] <jmcp_> nachox: generic scsi
[00:58:45] <tomww> jmcp_: as it is a common problem chaning disks with wwns, so it was the first thing to make sure :-)
[00:58:46] <richlowe> jmcp_: I'm assuming changing the drive, not the actual number.
[00:58:57] <nachox> jmcp_, what happened to that? the one proposing it was hanged, burned with acid, had his thumbs removed or something?
[00:59:00] <jmcp_> tomww: I've also never had a problem following the documentation on how to change disk with wwns. I've provided support for customers who did have a problem reading doco and following instructions
[00:59:11] <jmcp_> richlowe: he was unclear, hence my clarification
[00:59:16] <richlowe> jmcp_: those last two parts were covered by "customers", btw. ;)
[00:59:25] <jmcp_> nachox: I'm going for the thumbs option
[00:59:31] <tomww> jmcp_: we might stop this part of the thread :-)
[00:59:34] <jmcp_> richlowe:  muahahaaha
[01:02:10] <jmcp_> tomww: physically swapping a disk will result in a different wwn. turning on/off mpxio will not result in a change in wwn or guid, just a difference in the /dev/dsk representation
[01:02:13] * jmcp_ shrugs
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[01:03:31] <jmcp> what we see with FC-attached disks in non-mpxio mode is that they use the port-wwn of the hba to identify to the host. That's an artefact of decisions taken nearly 10 years ago
[01:03:32] <jmcp> :(
[01:03:37] <jmcp> we didn't make that mistake with SAS!
[01:03:49] <jmcp> oh, and SATA disks have wwns, as well, if they're connected via SAS
[01:03:53] <jmcp> time for a coffee
[01:06:45] <tomww> so, we should better explain BatonT how to recover from the SATA disk-change
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[01:18:56] <BatonT> anyone know where i can get a PCIi SIL based sata controller with 4 ports (i.e. 2 SIL chips on it)  (in australia)
[01:19:39] <jmcp> BatonT: where are you in Aus?
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[01:22:54] <tomww> BatonT: the 4-port I own has only one chip, but labeled: sil 3124-2   (ist is a 64-bit PCI-slot)
[01:24:10] <BatonT> ahh
[01:24:15] <BatonT> jmcp: canberra
[01:24:36] <BatonT> pitty sil dont make a PCIe 4port chip
[01:25:19] <BatonT> dont have 64bit pci slots in motherboard (althought that didnt stop me using a PCIX dual port gigabit intel NIC)
[01:25:52] <BatonT> pci bus would get a bit too saturated with a sata controller on it too
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[01:27:39] <BatonT> from memory any sata controller with more that 2ports seems to want a PCIe x8 (only have PCIe x4 and PCIe x1 spare)
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[01:28:36] <jmcp> BatonT: I dunno of any good places in cbr for parts. I know some in Sydney and Brisbane
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[01:29:46] <bda> RBAC... in sudo.
[01:29:55] <richlowe> Ah, you saw that mail too.
[01:29:58] <bda> I'm confused.
[01:30:07] <richlowe> I'm trying to parse it in such a way that the end result is a known.
[01:30:09] <richlowe> and I'm failing.
[01:30:20] <bda> I'm going to talk it up to the Gupta Effect.
[01:30:24] <bda> s/talk/chalk/
[01:30:30] <bda> (see?)
[01:30:40] <nachox> RBAC in sudo?
[01:30:41] <richlowe> I can come up with a variety of ways to parse it that seem to lead to entirely confused (or confusing) things.
[01:30:58] <richlowe> among the more useful (and necessary, I guess) things to add to sudo, would be audit support.
[01:31:06] <richlowe> I'm assuming sudo uses PAM appropriately already.
[01:31:20] <richlowe> but RBAC, I can't even work out what sudo would end up doing.
[01:31:24] <jmcp> I think Brian is asking who is willing to add RBAC support to sudo, and provide Todd with a patch
[01:31:27] * jmcp shrugs
[01:31:32] <nachox> what's wrong with the current implementation of RBAC?
[01:31:39] <jmcp> perhaps Brian doesn't quite grok rbac
[01:32:03] <boyd> Many people don't, since the docs are Byzantine.
[01:32:04] <nachox> it just needs a nicer gui :)
[01:32:09] <jmcp> perhaps as a replacement for the sudoers file or something
[01:32:18] <BatonT> jmcp: i always tend to order stuff online anyhow...  never can find a local shop that sells what i want for a decent price, havent been in canberra long so i dont know of any good places to buy stuff local anyhow
[01:32:24] <jmcp> boyd: don't diss the docs when we've got an opportunity to diss a person instead :)
[01:32:27] <_mary_kate_> is it possible to use rbac to provide people with root access without giving them the root password (or any common password)?  i had a look at rbac a while ago but none of the tutorials on the internets seemed to explain that..
[01:32:42] <jmcp> BatonT: ok, try auspcmarket.com.au or computermarket.com.au
[01:32:55] <jmcp> I've dealt with computermarket.com.au for years now, they've always been very good
[01:33:04] <nachox> _mary_kate_, sure there is one, check the root as a role tutorial
[01:33:28] <_mary_kate_> nachox: you can become a role without knowing its password?
[01:34:26] <BatonT> jmcp: yeah ive used both in the past
[01:34:41] <nachox> _mary_kate_, the tutorial also says roles are just user accounts, but i guess you would need it's password, yes
[01:34:54] <bda> "Also if role has no password then switch of context does not require additional authentication (only authorized users can assume roles). That can be convenient for some application roles."
[01:34:56] <richlowe> sudo's advantage (beyond convenience with sudo -e, and such) is the greater specifics in argument specification.
[01:35:11] <_mary_kate_> bda: aha
[01:35:13] <richlowe> but that leads to possible conflict with your permissions via RBAC that are impossible to resolve correctly.
[01:35:18] <BatonT> mm ive gotta get around to learning about RBAC
[01:35:28] <richlowe> correct resolution would be to choose the least permissive option (which is unknowable).
[01:35:51] <nachox> richlowe, it's greatest advantage is imho being able to remember the password for a little while
[01:36:50] <richlowe> perhaps the ability to sudo to a role?
[01:36:55] <BatonT> is there anything in solaris to test raw disks for errors?
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[01:36:56] <richlowe> (though I'm not certain that you can't now.)
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[01:37:35] <nachox> it's a nice usability addition, i think you actually dont even need that if you use pfexec though
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[01:38:06] <nachox> BatonT, format
[01:39:48] <BatonT> nachox: ok, now if there are read write errors with SATA...  how can i stop those errors from hanging the system
[01:40:16] <nachox> they shouldnt do that in the first place
[01:40:34] <BatonT> well i'd expected that they shouldnt
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[01:41:59] <bda> ZFS and flakey disks/controllers will do that.
[01:42:14] <BatonT> well the controller is a nvidia that it is on
[01:42:17] <nachox> richlowe, i actually used sudo to restrict a command to use only a set of options very very very few times, i dont think it is that usefull
[01:42:22] <bda> BatonT: What model system is this?
[01:43:12] <BatonT> just a custom built box with an asus Nvidia chipset board, AMD X2 cpu
[01:43:17] <bda> aha
[01:44:45] <BatonT> when i saw that the sun x86 systems had nvidia chipset for sata (well x2100 and the workstations)   i expected it to be well supported
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[01:45:19] <jmcp> it is well supported
[01:45:30] <BatonT> dosnt do hotplug :P
[01:46:09] <jmcp> ah
[01:46:17] <jmcp> that's a sore point in here
[01:46:23] <BatonT> i recon
[01:46:26] <bda> No shit.
[01:47:24] <bda> BatonT: The chipset works fine. I asked because I've had a few X2100 M1s SATA backplanes crap out on me. shrug.
[01:47:35] <BatonT> ah
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[01:48:32] <BatonT> havent had a chance to work with solaris on REAL server hardware yet
[01:49:30] <bda> The X2100s are pretty basic, but they're good designs. Very easy to work on.
[01:49:45] <bda> Getting my first X4100 this week, hopefully. Yay.
[01:50:02] <BatonT> mmm yeah id like some x4100s
[01:50:31] <BatonT> crappy work loves windows too much even to the point running stuff that should br run on solaris  on windows
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[01:52:41] <bda> Been crunching getting code ported over from Linux. PITA. :(
[01:52:58] <BatonT> but finally get a chance to look after some SUN boxes at work, and they are v240s running solaris9, should be interesting as ive only ever worked on solaris nevada
[01:53:36] <jmcp> BatonT: if you get them to Solaris10 at least that'll be a very good thing - for you, for them and for Sun
[01:53:43] * jmcp is definitely biased in this regard
[01:53:45] <nachox> sd is in trouble 2Tb disks! http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/25/wd_mybook_storage/ :P
[01:54:12] <BatonT> jmcp: yeah i'd like to do that...  trouble is boss wants to move the services off them (DNS, NTP)  to Windows2003 :(
[01:54:42] <bda> ugh.
[01:54:47] <jmcp> how many sparc boxen do you have?
[01:56:05] <jamesd_> nachox, that is just a pair of 1TB drives in a single case...
[01:56:10] <BatonT> only two, for a 10k+ node network
[01:56:32] <jmcp> that's a bit network
[01:56:35] <estibi> BatonT: windows server 2003 is crap, don't use it, trust me
[01:57:03] <nachox> jamesd_, i guess so, it's still a nice case :)
[01:57:13] <jmcp> you could ask him to humour you and let you try running those services on s10u3 for a period and then see how well things are going
[01:57:21] <jmcp> where "a period" > 6 months
[01:57:22] <BatonT> estibi: yeah i realise that... the DNS that AD is running is a joke  they are having soo many issues with the 30 domain controllers all authorative for a single domain
[01:58:17] <jamesd_> estibi, of course,  most places that do that end up having to put each  server/app on a single machine,  so they replace one sun box with a dozen  windows boxes and call it a cost saving...
[01:58:20] <BatonT> the dns solaris servers run  is a different domain (for external services), and the NTP service on them is only used by the AD domain controllers
[01:58:44] <nachox> BatonT, a single dns domain? a single ad domain?
[01:59:43] <BatonT> nachox: the solaris servers run a seperate domain, for which the AD is running as a slave to  and the AD runs their own domain for the windows servers and desktops
[02:00:13] <nachox> hmm, ok DNS and AD integration
[02:00:19] <CIA-26> kchow: 6559598 cpr fails with "Fast Data Access MMU Miss"
[02:00:20] <CIA-26> eh208807: 6308191 mapelfexec() may fail with ENOMEM if a non-zero p_vaddr is specified for an ET_DYN binary, 6576832 lx_elfexec sets brkbase to 0 for statically linked linux binaries, 6577878 IPv6 sockets in lx brand not supported but creation allowed, 6581316 lx_branded processes missing AT_CLKTCK entry from auxhilary vector
[02:00:21] <CIA-26> markfen: PSARC/2007/409 RFC 3526 Diffie-Hellman groups for IKE, 4886779 RFC 3526 Diffie-Hellman groups for IKE
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[02:01:53] <BatonT> oh, speaking of overkill of windows servers, we have 10 (quad core (some dual quad core), 4gb ram) servers for server monitoring/alerting :P
[02:02:15] * jamesd_ notes this is how you put the fear of god into "windows admins"  tell them that they have to merge to AD domains, that up to now have had a "trusted" relationship, and that the second goes away in the next 6 months, and numerous production machines  count on the domain that is going away...
[02:02:39] * nachox remembers the monitoring tool called whatsup and laughs
[02:02:57] <BatonT> jamesd_: yeah thats been happening for like 3years where i used to work...   a uni that has like 30 or so seperate domains
[02:03:33] <BatonT> jamesb_: to top it off they are trying to integrate netware and ldap (for solaris and redhat)
[02:04:28] <BatonT> nachox: well this is an enterprise tool spectrum/eHealth  (sold by CA), it runs on solaris, its so crap to have to run it on windows
[02:04:29] <jamesd_> BatonT, all i hear about on the "change announcement mail" for the last month, is them talking about the change, and how they have a huge flow chart on how to reverse the change if it breaks something production...
[02:05:11] <BatonT> jamesd_: gotta love change reuqests,   takes about 2 weeks to do simple changes at my work (join a server to domain!)
[02:05:59] <jamesd_> BatonT, in this case,  everything relies on AD domains, even the linux and solaris  authenicate off the AD domain... gotta love VAS, as long as it stays up... major fecal matter is going to hit the fan should the AD domains go down.
[02:06:00] <nachox> i think the new 2k3 schema has posixaccount and all the ldap crap
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[02:06:31] <BatonT> jamesd_: they went to replace a remote DC with a new server, and new server has win2003 R2 on it and schema isnt R2 inrest of domain  so they had to back out of change, as theres no way they are going to be able to do a schema change (imagine the backout plan!)
[02:06:43] <nrubsig> Any employee from Google.com out there ?
[02:07:09] <aruiz_> ????
[02:07:14] <nachox> otherwise there is always Centeris :)
[02:07:34] <jamesd_> nrubsig, no they are too busy interviewing future employees... to get hired you have to go through a minimum of 5 interviews... usually more, much more.
[02:08:08] <estibi> :)
[02:08:11] <BatonT> jamesd_: well i had one linux server using a central ldap for authentication, and a seperate windows AD for user/group lookup.... it worked but it was nasty   heh
[02:08:19] <nrubsig> sommerfeld / _mary_kate_: `` is obsolete (per ksh, bash and POSIX people), please use $( )
[02:08:22] <nrubsig> jamesd_: ?!
[02:08:54] <jamesd_> BatonT, yeah this solution works... but barely, but i consider windows serves as single points of failure even if they are paired master/slave
[02:09:34] <jamesd_> nrubsig,  google beleves that people they hired, should be interviewed by everyone in the department that they will work in.
[02:09:52] <nrubsig> erm
[02:10:12] <nrubsig> jamesd_: I only want to know whether there is an XML or XMLRPC interface for the main Google engine...
[02:10:21] * nrubsig wants to create a /usr/bin/google
[02:10:22] <Tempt> jamesd_: Is that designed to hire the "nice guy" instead of the guy who knows his stuff?
[02:10:27] <BatonT> mmm i need to find a job where i dont have to work with windows as much (current job, windows admin)
[02:11:18] <jamesd_> Tempt, its designed to hire people that know trivia and stuff most people wont even know...  like asking a sysadmin "what elements are in the inode struct"
[02:12:31] <nachox> nrubsig, can you read spanish?
[02:12:33] <estibi> BatonT: from my point of view windows servers have to be reinstalled every 2/3 years ...
[02:12:49] <nrubsig> nachox: read yes, understand no.
[02:12:59] <BatonT> estibi: at least
[02:13:01] <nachox> ...
[02:13:02] <jamesd_> nrubsig, is this your blog?  http://friedcpu.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/zsh-the-last-shell-youll-ever-need/
[02:13:03] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2m7xut
[02:13:38] <nachox> nrubsig, http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/
[02:13:45] <nachox> soap is xml :)
[02:13:52] <Tempt> jamesd_: I can see that side of it, but I can also see the side where a lot of people wouldn't get hired because of petty little scenarios
[02:14:01] <nrubsig> jamesd_: "Zsh is an expansion on the Korn shell (ksh), which is an expansion on bash." ... I don't write such bullsh*t.
[02:14:06] <Tempt> Developers in the department don't want another sysadmin; sysadmins don't like the idea of another java guy; etc.
[02:14:24] <nrubsig> jamesd_: first came the thomson shell, then bourne, then korn, THEN bash, then zsh
[02:14:38] <nachox> ksh is an expansion of bash?!!! who the hell writes that crap?
[02:14:40] <jamesd_> nrubsig, i know but with a title like that...  i would have to kid you about it. :-)
[02:14:51] * nrubsig grumbles
[02:15:36] <estibi> BatonT: i work in mixed networks, so it's hard as hell
[02:16:07] <BatonT> estibi: mixed isnt THAT bad, just need less windows more other stuff :)
[02:16:14] <nrubsig> seriously that author should be hung, shot and then eaten by wild komodo dragons or sommerfeld (whoever is either more wild or more hungry)
[02:16:23] <estibi> ;)
[02:16:29] * nrubsig hides from sommerfeld's whips
[02:16:41] <nachox> nrubsig, also http://sitening.com/evilapi/
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[02:18:40] <nrubsig> erm
[02:19:00] <nrubsig> this bullsh*t is AJAX. I don't want to run a browser...
[02:19:09] <estibi> heh, what am i doing now, it's 02:18 AM
[02:19:18] * nrubsig grumbles
[02:19:21] <nachox> it's soap!
[02:19:45] <nrubsig> Or more polite: The API seems to be AJAX and that is AFAIK JavaScript-based and useless in my case.
[02:19:58] <nrubsig> nachox: rthe SOAP API seems to be no longer supported.
[02:20:06] <BatonT> hows zfs boot going these days?
[02:20:38] <nachox> nrubsig, so i read but that doesnt mean you cant use it
[02:21:18] <nachox> anyway the 2nd link i pasted is a replacement for it
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[02:23:11] * nrubsig reads http://www.google.com/uds/js/uds_compiled.js and wishes there would be a printed version of jsstyle which he could use to beat some Google people to death.
[02:23:55] <nachox> what the hell is that?
[02:24:33] <nrubsig> nachox: follow http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/#The_Hello_World_of_Google_Search
[02:24:33] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2j4l2a
[02:24:53] <nachox> that is impossible to read
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[02:29:46] <nrubsig> Anyother crash well done.
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[02:33:35] <nachox> it's your crappy ksh based irc client
[02:34:14] <Tempt> I thought irsii was a ksh built-in now.
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[03:13:27] * nrubsig steps behind Tempt and snaps her neck
[03:14:39] <jamesd> Tempt, no that is the next major release, this one has emacs in it ;-)
[03:15:33] <dlg> jamesd: that sounds implausable
[03:15:41] <dlg> are you sure ksh wasnt implemented inside emacs?
[03:16:25] <jamesd> perhaps its an early version, you know back when emacs == eight megabytes and continuous swapping.
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[03:17:51] <_mary_kate_> did someone implement teco in emacs yet?
[03:25:42] <sommerfeld> which would let you run emacs in teco in emacs?
[03:25:46] <alanc> stupid mailman, making me approve my own post
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[03:26:32] <mailmanbot> alanc: Your comment to this channel needs to be approved by a channel admin.
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[03:28:15] <jamesd> all comments by * at sun dot com have to be approved by legal department,  before they can be released including your venti latte half calf, extra shot, with 4 squirts of choclate syrup.
[03:28:20] <nrubsig> alanc: which error was it ? "Dubious user address" ?
[03:28:24] <alanc> the ARC case was approved automatic, but the mail needed help - I guess it's still self-approval though
[03:28:56] <alanc> unsubscribed user - the mail from the ARC case filing script came out as alanc at sac dot sfbay.sun.com instead of alan.coopersmith@...
[03:29:14] <nrubsig> alanc: all your 2nd user to a send filter
[03:29:24] <nrubsig> er
[03:29:27] <nrubsig> s/all/add/
[03:29:53] <alanc> I clicked the "and allow all future posts from this address too" box when I approved the mail in the mailman moderator queue
[03:30:03] <nrubsig> alanc: "sender filter" --> automatic approve emails ---> problem done ---> hide under desk to avoid next problem running in your direction
[03:30:30] <nrubsig> alanc: yeah, that creates a sender filter.
[03:31:05] <richlowe> now there's a fun one
[03:33:01] * nrubsig looks at http://opensolaris-is-illegal.mozdev.org
[03:33:26] * nrubsig chuckels
[03:33:50] * sommerfeld looks at http://nrubsig-is-illegal.mozdev.org/
[03:34:12] * nrubsig wishes mozdev would only allow registered projects as DNS names.
[03:34:46] * nrubsig loooks at http://naked-breasts.chicken.mozdev.org
[03:35:34] <victor_> nrubsig: grow up!
[03:35:50] <nrubsig> bah
[03:35:53] <victor_> if you're going to paste a link including "naked-breasts"... you should at least make sure it contains porn!
[03:36:00] <BatonT> hah
[03:36:57] <nachox> haha
[03:37:16] <nrubsig> Ok, warning: Porno link follows. PG-21!!
[03:37:19] <nrubsig> http://funfire.de/bilder/funfire-de-1103250438-63.jpg
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[03:38:28] <victor_> oh, look at that tan line!!
[03:38:29] <victor_> *rrr*
[03:38:38] <nrubsig> or PG-666, depending on whether you're fundamentalistic catholic or not.
[03:39:15] <victor_> catholic rhymes with cath-oholic!
[03:42:16] <FireflyST> catheter-holic
[03:42:33] <FireflyST> 666
[03:42:50] <FireflyST> sssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSS hail odinala
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[03:50:02] <nachox> nrubsig, you're sick, you know that right?
[03:50:29] <nrubsig> nachox: I know that since two days.
[03:50:35] <BatonT> hmm doing a format-> analyze -> refresh  and the counter has stopped after a few mins, no errors on console... looks like the drive is really screwed
[03:50:46] <nrubsig> nachox: And the flu is going to kill me this time.
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[03:51:18] <sommerfeld> alanc: when did Xrandr turn into Xrandrandr ?
[03:51:33] <boyd> random rotate and resize?
[03:51:56] <alanc> I don't remember when they added reflect
[03:51:59] <sommerfeld> it's apparently now "rotate, resize, and reflect"
[03:52:24] <alanc> think it was there in 1.1, they just didn't rename because too many people knew it as randr already
[03:52:31] <BatonT> shit
[03:52:51] <BatonT> format-> analyze -> refresh just caused a kernel dump!
[03:53:02] <sommerfeld> what panic string?
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[03:53:16] <nachox> cool
[03:53:23] <BatonT> sommerfeld: dont know it had rebooted before i could read it all
[03:53:42] <nachox> there is probably a dump
[03:53:50] <alanc> and I've never been able to get the UTF-8 art in the spec to actually line up correctly - need to find a font with the Unicode line drawing symbols with the same spacing as the surrounding text
[03:54:17] <nrubsig> alanc: monospace...
[03:54:20] <alanc> (ascii art was too old school for the randr box diagrams)
[03:54:51] <boyd> as were, you know, graphics formats, apparently
[03:55:26] <alanc> "monospace" on Solaris maps to a font without line drawing symbols I think
[03:55:41] <alanc> probably just need to pull in DejaVu fonts to replace Bitstream Vera
[03:56:10] <nrubsig> erm
[03:56:12] <nrubsig> no
[03:56:31] <nrubsig> alanc: just get M$ webfonts or an updated version of Vera
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[03:56:55] <nachox> they are free and distributable?
[03:57:03] <BatonT> sommerfeld: all i saw that there was something to do with the sil  sata driver
[03:57:13] <alanc> DejaVu is the updated version of Vera, since the Vera license requires changing the name if you change the font in any way
[03:57:44] <_mary_kate_> what happened to the Luxi fonts?  they seemed popular with the linux people a while back..
[03:57:57] <nrubsig> nachox: I seriously do not CARE about the free font stuff when it results in bad text rendering. Better closed-source, non-open, high-quality fonts than opensource junk fonts
[03:58:08] <nrubsig> nachox: that's one of the problems with Linux
[03:58:27] <nrubsig> nachox: everything MUST be free, even if the "replacemnts" are horrible
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[03:59:01] <nrubsig> oh oh
[03:59:05] <richlowe> ... or, say, the old ones are impossible to get to your customers.
[03:59:05] <purserj> s/Linux/Free Software Foundation/
[03:59:54] <nachox> nrubsig, i assume free stuff takes less time to get integrated in solaris. i dont really care if they are opensource
[04:00:00] <nrubsig> I have no problems with the opensource movements but sometimes I wish they would be more real-world oriented.
[04:00:18] <CIA-26> davemq: 6501667 ncp/n2cp drivers should not assume a static number of crypto units, 6558981 Allow Errata 175 workaround to be fully enabled/disabled, 6519970 Niagara crypto providers should recognize maramba specific device compatibility properties, PSARC 2007/306 Victoria Falls IO FMA, 6539545 Support new VF PIU errors, 6556056 DE should consume ereport.io.n2.pec.lwc, PSARC 2007/117 Maramba 1u/2u Platform Support, 6531673 ON support for vf processo
[04:00:48] <nachox> nrubsig, being opensouce is just a tiebreaker in my mind, i usually just get what works best when i can afford it
[04:00:49] <nrubsig> WTF is maramba ?
[04:00:49] <_mary_kate_> that looks like an interesting commit
[04:01:17] <jmcp> it's a platform
[04:01:17] <alanc> for fonts, it's much harder to add closed ones, since that requires paying a license fee to someone
[04:01:38] <nachox> that was exactly my thinking :)
[04:01:39] <jmcp> nrubsig: look at the text - "Maramba 1u/2u Platform Support" - clearly it's for a 1u/2u system
[04:01:40] <alanc> it's something that is either 1U or 2U high
[04:01:41] <richlowe> it's a river, I think.
[04:02:13] * _mary_kate_ leaks 'sun releases 1U/2U computer system' to the register
[04:02:14] <nachox> a god from el congo?
[04:02:23] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: except you'd be many months late.
[04:02:34] * sommerfeld notices that the register already has quite a bit about this box
[04:02:34] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: sowhat platform is it?
[04:02:38] <nachox> and a river
[04:03:07] <jmcp> _mary_kate_: look @ el reg
[04:03:22] <sommerfeld> look at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/71-75/
[04:03:39] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: do i have to?  i might catch something :)
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[04:03:48] <nachox> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/08/sun_vic_falls/
[04:04:08] <nachox> ha, take that stupid bot, tinyurl that!
[04:04:15] <BatonT> is it possible to flash a sil3132 bios from raid to non raid inside solaris
[04:04:26] <boyd> nachox: lol
[04:04:29] <BatonT> i dont have a floppy or cdrom on this system
[04:05:44] <alanc> hmm, the CIA bot cut off a few of the bugs in that wad, like: 6437543 sun4v NCPU update to 256
[04:05:47] <jmcp> BatonT: unlikely
[04:06:07] <nachox> alanc, actually the irc protocol did that
[04:06:20] <axisys> will sun studio work on sol 9?
[04:06:26] <_mary_kate_> nachox: don't say that.  last time someone did there was a three hour debate about whether the bot did it itself or not.
[04:06:36] <sommerfeld> (the CIA bot should know the limitations of the IRC protocol)
[04:06:46] <nachox> _mary_kate_, damn...
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[04:07:30] * nachox gets an MIB type device that works over irc and flashes everyone
[04:07:41] <BatonT> jmcp: bugger, system wont boot if ANY drives are plugged into the controller, yet i can hotplug them in when solaris has booted
[04:07:43] <sommerfeld> victoria falls is both wider and higher than niagara.
[04:07:55] <jmcp> BatonT: that's a real p.i.t.a.
[04:08:02] <boyd> ... and cheaper
[04:08:10] <_mary_kate_> confusingly, the first thing i think of when someone says "VF" is vampirefreaks.com :)
[04:09:03] <nachox> _mary_kate_, internet users are that sick, yes
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[04:10:15] <sommerfeld> BatonT: any chance it's the "bios confused by EFI/GPI label" bug at work?
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[04:10:30] <sommerfeld> (you have zfs on those disks?)
[04:12:09] <BatonT> sommerfeld: no idea, the drives work fine when on the onboard nvidia  just if i put any on the sil3132  it wont boot  just blank screen
[04:12:12] <boyd> sounds plausible
[04:12:29] <BatonT> considering there is no option in mobo bios regarding boot order of raid card
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[04:14:28] <FireflyST> HAHAHAHAHAHA http://sites.gizoogle.com/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sun.com%2Fsoftware%2Fsolaris%2Findex.jsp
[04:14:29] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/287j9d
[04:14:53] <sommerfeld> "Vic Falls being as impressive as Niagara Falls just without all the Canadian hassle. "
[04:15:41] <BatonT> sommerfeld: yes zfs is on the drives
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[04:17:28] <jmcp> FireflyST: nice :)
[04:18:01] <BatonT> hmm i thought when you move zfs disks between sata ports  zfs should be able to find them again
[04:18:09] <jmcp> it should indeed
[04:18:19] <BatonT> i just had to do a detach and attach
[04:18:24] <jmcp> however, if you're using an EFI label then you might have a problem - some bioses don't like EFI labels
[04:18:25] <BatonT> which means it will resliver
[04:18:39] <BatonT> yeah ive probably got a crap bios
[04:19:16] <BatonT> the last motherboard i baught also had issues with drives (had an onboard sil controller that would only work with raid, not jbod)
[04:19:26] <jmcp> so if you re-create the pool using slices (ie, set slice0 == whole disk) then you should be fine
[04:20:01] <BatonT> jmcp: in this case i cant  as the drive it is mirroring to has ufs on it as well (boot drive
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[04:20:31] <nachox> jmcp, wont zfs disable the disc cache like that?
[04:20:34] <jmcp> you're mirring an EFI-labelled device to a GPT-labelled/SMI-labelled device?
[04:20:38] <jmcp> nachox: dunno. perhaps
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[04:22:09] <BatonT> jmcp, originally i had a raid1 sdm ufs mirror for boot  then a slice at end of disks for zfs to use  but at the moment sdm isnt setup so 2nd disk has no ufs on it just the zfs slice at end of disk
[04:23:01] <jmcp> hmmm
[04:24:23] <BatonT> eventually i want to bugger of ufs and have zfs boot when it becomes less of a hack (unless it already has)
[04:24:42] <boyd> The reg seems to have Maraba wrong. They say it's using Niagara II (US-T2) but it's actually VF (US-T2+)
[04:25:11] <nachox> mine was an old article
[04:25:17] <nachox> from last year
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[04:26:44] <sommerfeld> BatonT: what motherboard?  i'd see if there's a bios upgrade available (I had to upgrade the bios on a tyan-based system I built for it to boot with zfs disks plugged in)
[04:28:14] <BatonT> asus
[04:28:28] <Lectus> why doesn't OpenSolaris support brazilian portuguese translation and keyboard mapping? Or do I have to set it up manually?
[04:29:49] <alanc> I think because Sun never had a big presence in Brazil before opening Solaris, and since it was opened, no one else has wanted to put in the effort either
[04:30:09] <alanc> but you'ld really have to ask the i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org about that
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[04:31:17] <BatonT> mmm
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[04:33:56] <sstallion> evening all
[04:33:58] <Lectus> what's the difference between solaris 10 and opensolaris developer express, besides the last being cool for programmers and the ISO being larger?
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[04:34:07] <sstallion> does anyone know offhand how to disable ipv6 for a given local/global zone?
[04:34:25] <sstallion> Lectus: Solaris10 is a stable release whereas sxde is not
[04:34:53] <jbk> ususally you just inplumb the ip6 interface
[04:35:00] <jbk> err unplumb
[04:35:08] <sstallion> well, this is the interesting part... no ipv6 interface is plumbed
[04:35:44] <alanc> Lectus: about 2.5 years of work so far - things like GNOME 2.18 in Express vs. 2.6 in S10
[04:35:55] <sstallion> so, two interfaces on the global zone - bge0 and bge1
[04:36:12] <sstallion> every interface for bge* and lo* is IPV4
[04:36:25] <nachox> sstallion, does /etc/hostname6.* exist?
[04:36:32] <sstallion> nope
[04:36:48] <sstallion> now, when i log into a local zone, and issue `netstat -na` it shows that there are IPV6 sockets active
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[04:37:46] <nachox> express does not have patches right?
[04:37:51] <sstallion> nope
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[04:38:05] <sommerfeld> you pull the next release of express instead
[04:38:06] <nachox> there you have a difference then :)
[04:38:12] <_mary_kate_> (except for layered products)
[04:43:23] <myrkraverk> yesterday (or something) when attempting to build mplayer, I hit a dead end with some cddb stuff missing for solaris -- do any of you know if there is a version, or do I need to configure that code out?
[04:43:56] <sstallion> myrkraverk: hit the usual suspects - sunfreeware, blastwave, etc.
[04:44:13] <sstallion> if you are building mplayer from scratch, id advise building dependencies as scratch if they are not included as part of the base
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[04:48:00] <myrkraverk> this is part of the sources of mplayer
[04:48:17] <sstallion> this is kicking my rear here... i dont think ive come across this before
[04:48:31] <myrkraverk> I got a link error in some cddb file, and aparently, an implementation af that function is missing for solaris
[04:48:47] <sstallion> myrkraverk: youll just need to do some research
[04:49:01] <myrkraverk> gnu! I hate research ;-P
[04:49:42] <nachox> there were some codecs packs for nevada that had mplayer
[04:49:58] <nachox> but i think they were taken offline
[04:50:01] <Triskelios> I should package my xine-lib and gxine builds...
[04:50:19] <myrkraverk> well, right now, I want to get squeak (smalltalk) installed
[04:50:38] <myrkraverk> to me, design pattern stuff is more important than pron
[04:51:17] <Triskelios> myrkraverk: installing squeak is easy, just put the tarball contents and zip files where they expect to be
[04:51:31] <nachox> brb
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[04:56:35] <myrkraverk> Triskelios: yes, squeak installed fine -- only I'm not sure where I should put the image file ;/
[04:57:19] <Triskelios> myrkraverk: it looks for squeak.image in the current dir. I have a wrapper script that makes it use ~/.squeak
[04:57:42] <Triskelios> see also squeak -help
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[05:02:49] <myrkraverk> Triskelios: ah, ok; thanks
[05:05:14] <WickedWicky> morning all!
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[05:23:20] <Teknomancer> morning all
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[05:56:36] <axisys> i am looking to setup freeradius server as a active dir auth proxy on a solaris box
[05:56:53] <axisys> anyone has done so?
[05:57:21] <axisys> solaris client --> freeradius proxy --> AD
[06:00:59] <boyd> I haven't. Have you considered AD as LDAP server and Kerberos kdc?
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[06:05:20] <axisys> boyd: u mean talk to just ldap of AD server ?
[06:05:41] <axisys> boyd: well i sure am open to some configurations
[06:06:07] <boyd> Yeah, you can use AD as an LDAP server. I can't give you help with that though :(
[06:06:14] <axisys> my IT group bought funk server and i pointed my pam_radius to that server and I can get in w/ my active dir account
[06:06:36] <axisys> but I on the otherhand like to use freeradius server as the proxy instead..
[06:06:59] <axisys> ok.. so i should rephrase my question..
[06:07:17] <axisys> anyone setup freeradius proxy to ldap auth?
[06:07:28] <axisys> on solaris ofcourse
[06:07:56] <boyd> So my question is why go through pam_radius? Why not use the native solaris LDAP client?
[06:08:00] <axisys> also i never played w/ kerberos
[06:08:15] <boyd> krb is optional. Gives you single sign-on
[06:08:55] <axisys> i prefer pam_radius.. i can cahnge the ip whenever I like to point to my securid for rsa or point to ldap server (thru proxy or funk) for ad auth
[06:09:13] <axisys> just one libarary.. lot lot simpler than native sol ldap client
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[06:09:21] <boyd> Fair enough.
[06:09:23] <axisys> have been using pam_radius for yrs
[06:09:34] <axisys> really really simple for me
[06:09:54] <axisys> all these years i was pointing it to rsa for securid
[06:10:24] <axisys> but not i like to explore the AD auth option.. one less thing to manage and have IT do the auth troubleshoot
[06:10:33] <axisys> s/not/now/
[06:12:21] <axisys> boyd: so how would kerberos fit in this? client -> pam_rad -> freeradius proxy -> ldap
[06:12:22] <libkeiser> setting up freeradius to use pam_krb5 is an absolute piece of cake, done it several times before for dot1x installs
[06:12:52] <axisys> libkeiser: so how would kerberos fit in this? client -> pam_rad -> freeradius proxy -> ldap
[06:13:29] <axisys> i have done this million times client -> pam_rad -> radius proxy -> securid rsa server
[06:13:39] <axisys> but nvr krnrs
[06:13:43] <axisys> krbrs
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[06:14:49] <libkeiser> active directory uses kerberos. "ldap auth" in that case is nothing more than sending username/pass over ssl to the ldap server, which in turn talks to the kdc on your behalf
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[06:15:14] <chrisb17> Hello
[06:15:15] <cmn_err> hola, chrisb17.
[06:15:47] <BatonT> why would my nevada box be running sooo slow during a disk resliver     its almost to the point its unusable
[06:15:53] <chrisb17> i am running linux (ubuntu 7.10) and i have given up some space for os and i was wondering can i still use my grub from ubuntu and not the one from os
[06:16:02] <chrisb17> resliver?
[06:16:05] <axisys> so if i setup freerad ldap proxy point to ldap .. kerberbrs does in the backgrnd ?
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[06:17:25] <libkeiser> right. it's a question of whether you want to do ldap protocol to AD, and let it do kerb internally, or whether you want to bypass ldap, and talk to the AD kdc's directly
[06:17:35] <BatonT> crappy solaris dhcp server, after crashing somehow it locked one of my reserved leases and refused to give it out to my laptop
[06:17:43] <boyd> chrisb17: Unless something has changed at the Ubuntu end, the answer is no, you need to use the Solaris GRUB, since it needs to understand Solaris' UFS filesystem. However, the solaris grub goes into the solaris fdisk partition, so you could always chainload it from your existing GRUB
[06:18:12] <chrisb17> i thought grub ran in the mbr?
[06:18:27] <chrisb17> so only 1 grub could run at a time?
[06:18:32] <axisys> libkeiser: i want to talk to ldap.. but i like to see a config of freeradius
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[06:18:43] <boyd> chrisb17: You can put stage1 in the mbr or in the partition boot block. Solaris does the latter
[06:19:08] <axisys> libkeiser: well let me just say this...
[06:19:22] <chrisb17> how do i do that?
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[06:19:30] <chrisb17> sorry but i am downloading the disk 2 atm
[06:19:35] <chrisb17> (realllllly slow net...)
[06:19:40] <boyd> You don't need to do anything, the solaris installer puts it there on the parittion.
[06:19:52] <axisys> libkeiser: which one u think would be simpler? pam_krb -> freeradius pro -> AD -OR_
[06:19:59] <chrisb17> how do i setup my grub to go 2 the os grub?
[06:20:00] <boyd> you need to arrange for that part to be active
[06:20:05] <boyd> oh, wait...
[06:20:14] <boyd> I was contining, not answering then
[06:20:15] <axisys> libkeiser: pam-rad -> freerad ldap pro -> AD ?
[06:20:39] <boyd> I think (?) it's something like root(hd0,2)  chainloader +1
[06:20:53] <boyd> But I'm hazy on that
[06:22:51] <insomnia> bah.
[06:22:53] <insomnia> fuck.
[06:22:54] <_mary_kate_> i think you want 'makeactive' too
[06:23:01] <_mary_kate_> although i'm not sure if linux/grub needs that..
[06:23:02] <libkeiser> in the first case, did you mean pam_krb -> AD, or did you mean pam_rad -> freerad + pam_krb5 -> AD?
[06:23:06] <insomnia> 103.15 Operations over congested areas.
[06:23:07] <insomnia>
[06:23:07] <insomnia> No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons.
[06:23:10] <insomnia> that sucks.
[06:23:19] <chrisb17> is there an openoffice/star office help room?
[06:23:30] <chrisb17> i need some formula help (lol)
[06:23:40] <chrisb17> (with calc)
[06:25:05] <axisys> libkeiser: pam_rad -> freerad + pam_krb5 -> AD
[06:25:35] <axisys> libkeiser: pam_rad -> freerad -> ldap  (second one)
[06:26:20] <axisys> i already have the pam_rad on most of my systems (~ 300 )
[06:26:24] <insomnia> http://loux.org/kate/fail.jpg
[06:27:01] <chrisb17> can i have it get the current cell and then get the val of the cell above it then * it by 8?
[06:28:49] <libkeiser> axisys: ok. i suspect ldap is easier, since you don't need to worry about getting a host princ and keytab for the freerad boxes.  the advantage to using krb5 directly on the freeradius boxes is krb5 is much lighter weight than ldap ssl binds (even with connection pooling)
[06:29:15] <jmcp> chrisb17: you probably want to wander into #OpenOffice.org on the freenode network
[06:29:49] <chrisb17> ahhh
[06:29:54] <chrisb17> i tried #openoffice
[06:29:55] <chrisb17> lol
[06:30:54] <axisys> libkeiser: i can try either.. I wont be able to experiment either until tomorrow.. u know of any cheat sheet?
[06:33:56] <jharr> what's the equivalent of strace in solaris.
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[06:34:08] <jharr> I know dtrace, but how do I use it to tell me what files a program is opening.
[06:34:15] <jmcp> jharr: dtrace will tell you that
[06:34:22] <jmcp> try "truss"
[06:35:07] <jharr> thx
[06:35:28] <Teknomancer> i think sched_yield() should be used in solaris instead of thr_yield for pthread_yeild ...
[06:35:36] <Teknomancer> anyone knows about this?
[06:37:22] <jmcp> Teknomancer: did you rtfm? are you operating in userspace or kernelspace?
[06:37:59] <Teknomancer> u mean the sun docs on the site ?
[06:38:47] <jmcp> yeah
[06:39:17] <jmcp> unless you've got the manpages installed on your system already, in which case I'd be typing "man thr_yield"
[06:39:55] <Teknomancer> no man pages for thr_yield, only for sched_yield
[06:40:09] <jmcp> there's a manpage for thr_yield on my system.
[06:40:32] <libkeiser> well, calling thr_yield back in the m:n days certainly made sense
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[07:04:59] <jmcp> Teknomancer: what release are you running?
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[07:18:14] <Teknomancer> jmcp: SunOS solaris-devx 5.11 snv_64a i86pc i386 i86pc
[07:18:34] <richlowe> huh.
[07:18:52] <Teknomancer> ?
[07:19:43] <jmcp> Teknomancer: which installation cluster did you choose?
[07:19:44] <richlowe> both thr_field(3c) and sched_yield(3rt) are in SUNWman
[07:19:50] <richlowe> (but spelled right, doh)
[07:19:54] <richlowe> so how did you end up with one, but not the other?
[07:20:02] <jmcp> oh, devx- that should have been the whole lot
[07:20:03] <jmcp> yes
[07:20:08] <jmcp> very good question
[07:20:45] <Teknomancer> oops
[07:20:54] <Teknomancer> i guess i made a typo when i did man thr_yield
[07:21:00] <Teknomancer> typed it as yeild
[07:21:05] <Teknomancer> its there
[07:21:52] <Teknomancer> is devx the wrong version or something? I need it primarily for development so i thought using devx made sense...
[07:22:07] <richlowe> jmcp was meaning that devx doesn't let you choose what ends up installed.
[07:22:19] <richlowe> so his question answered itself.
[07:22:20] <Teknomancer> oh, yes it doesn't...
[07:22:46] <Teknomancer> k thx
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[07:33:20] <jharr> is there such thing as a source package for the blastwave.org stuff
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[07:33:21] <jharr> ?
[07:34:22] <jharr> I'm in need of recompiling samba, and would like to compile with similar options.
[07:35:33] <jmcp> what's wrong with the version in /usr/sfw ?
[07:35:44] <richlowe> I thought blastwave had a svn repo someplace.
[07:35:47] <richlowe> but I have no idea where.
[07:35:50] <richlowe> (or if it's complete, even)
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[07:39:54] <jharr> samba isn't compiled with rid mapping
[07:40:02] <jpipkin> if you check the package listing, and look up the particular package, it should have a source link
[07:40:51] <jpipkin> some link to original source, but some link to a particular maintainer's local copy
[07:40:58] <jpipkin> so 50/50
[07:41:15] <jharr> I was hoping to find the compile settings for a particular package
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[07:44:24] <jpipkin> probably have to email the maintainer
[07:44:32] <jharr> already did
[07:45:40] <chrisb17> why is open solaris so big?
[07:46:13] <jmcp> chrisb17: look at what is included with it
[07:46:22] <chrisb17> kinda cant
[07:46:26] <jmcp> you can minimize it if you want, but people tend not to do that
[07:46:31] <chrisb17> downloading really big dvd part 2 for os lol
[07:46:54] <chrisb17> 419mb outta 1gb so far :D
[07:46:59] <chrisb17> on dvd part 2 :D
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[08:00:14] <CIA-26> sp92102: 6557946 Emacs lockup under CentOS on Brandz.
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[08:21:38] <Tempt> Huh?
[08:21:47] <Tempt> How is an emacs lockup under CentOS a Sun bug?
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[08:23:21] <e^ipi> Tempt: haven't you been following Indiana? we're Linux now
[08:24:00] <Tempt> Wow.
[08:24:13] <e^ipi> but with less community involvement and more top-down control
[08:24:15] <Tempt> Things move quickly these days; it must be that whole "community" process.
[08:24:34] <timeless> e^ipi: canonical?
[08:24:59] <Tempt> e^ipi: And that's GNU/Linux to you, my son.
[08:25:08] <richlowe> hah.
[08:25:19] <timeless> tempt: GPL3 GNU/Linux? :)
[08:25:58] <Tempt> Oh, I'll refrain from that tasty bait.
[08:26:16] <richlowe> also, it fairly obviously *was* a BrandZ issue.
[08:26:46] <timeless> didn't someone else complain about such a thing? was it mary?
[08:27:00] <Tempt> I want to know why we can't have BrandZ for SPARC.
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[08:27:13] <richlowe> Tempt: you do, just not the lx brand.
[08:27:17] <timeless> yeah
[08:27:22] <timeless> you have sn-1
[08:27:43] <Tempt> Oh, they've got it working now? I can have a BSD branded zone on my sparc machine?
[08:28:03] <timeless> sn-1 has been around for a long time
[08:28:04] <e^ipi> a BSD branded zone period would be kinna neat
[08:28:30] <timeless> wouldn't a bsd branded zone imply someone writing a bsd kernel personality?
[08:28:35] <e^ipi> yes
[08:28:58] * timeless would rather see a BeOS personality :)
[08:29:03] <timeless> at least that's been defined
[08:29:30] <Teknomancer> timeless:  ?
[08:29:35] <Teknomancer> BeOS personality?
[08:29:48] <timeless> Haiku is built on what was AtheOS (?)
[08:29:51] * Teknomancer is a BeOS guy
[08:29:57] <Teknomancer> no
[08:30:00] <Teknomancer> Haiku is built in NewOS
[08:30:04] <timeless> sorry
[08:30:11] <timeless> hard to keep all the small os's straight
[08:30:18] <Teknomancer> written mostly by Travis, Ithamar and few others
[08:30:34] <Teknomancer> i was working for Zeta myself :P
[08:30:35] <timeless> but the point is that they took an OS that wasn't related and did work to provide BeOS kernel level apis
[08:31:00] <timeless> which should mean it's an easier thing to think of when you want to move it to yet another kernel
[08:31:23] <Teknomancer> newOS was from scratch
[08:31:33] <timeless> but newOS wasn't designed to host BeOS, right?
[08:32:00] <Teknomancer> was based on BeOS API but did things differently when it had to i guess
[08:32:11] <Teknomancer> for intricate details you must ask "geist" (Travis) on #haiku :P
[08:32:30] <timeless> i have way too many other problems
[08:32:31] <Teknomancer> there's a NewOS site also that could give u the info
[08:32:40] <Teknomancer> if u want
[08:32:59] <e^ipi> geist also hangs out in #osdev
[08:33:44] <Teknomancer> yes
[08:36:10] <Tempt> I'll have a hundred zones all running different marginal operating systems.
[08:36:12] <Tempt> Hah.
[08:36:27] <Tempt> I can see some actual value for BSD though.
[08:36:59] <dlg> how?
[08:37:05] <Tempt> Hmmm.
[08:37:17] <Tempt> The inner goodness of BSD will make the machine all shiny and sparkly?
[08:38:00] <dlg> i miss some of the feel of bsd userland tools and some of the apis
[08:38:07] <e^ipi> oh, how about an n-11 branded zone
[08:38:13] <e^ipi> sunos4...
[08:38:15] <dlg> but they could easily be ported to run natively on solaris
[08:38:34] <dlg> i cant imagine someone wanting to run bsd binaries on a solaris box
[08:39:32] <Tempt> SunOS 4 is BSD
[08:39:37] <Tempt> SunOS 4 binaries run on Solaris.
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[08:42:33] <dlg> Tempt: so whats the problem here? ;)
[08:42:49] <Tempt> Dunno.
[08:42:58] <Tempt> I've got spare CPUs and wouldn't mind giving them some load?
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[09:06:00] <timeless> hrm
[09:06:21] <timeless> do i have to plumb lo if i want it to respond to 127.0.0.2?
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[09:11:46] * timeless is confused
[09:11:53] <timeless> swift# traceroute 127.0.0.2
[09:12:08] <timeless> traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 172.x.x.x @ e1000g0
[09:12:29] <timeless> and then it starts trying to reach 127.0.0.2 out over the open internet
[09:16:10] * timeless decides to ifconfig .. up the interfaces
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[09:20:03] <Tempt> What's with this "IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USN" guy on osol-discuss?
[09:20:10] <Tempt> He's winding people up like cheap watches.
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[09:34:20] <sickness> morning all
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[10:12:12] <Tempt>
[10:12:45] <quasi> morning
[10:13:19] <timsf> hi all
[10:13:28] <Tempt> Evenin'
[10:13:47] <razrX> morning
[10:14:08] <e^ipi> middle of the night
[10:15:01] <quasi> e^ipi: around here, the time says it isn't, it just feels that way
[10:15:23] <e^ipi> it's quarter after 1 where I am
[10:15:33] <razrX> i'm still waking up eventhough its 10am already
[10:15:39] <quasi> 10:15 < e^ipi> it's quarter after 1 where I am
[10:15:56] <Tempt> [18:15] <quasi> 10:15 < e^ipi> it's quarter after 1 where I am
[10:16:22] <razrX> 10:15:55  Tempt: [18:15] <quasi> 10:15 < e^ipi> it's quarter after 1 where I am
[10:17:01] <quasi> Tempt: .au? and e^ipi must be US pacific time
[10:17:14] <razrX> sounds like it yeah
[10:17:30] <razrX> although it's about 4pm in Oz now
[10:17:45] <e^ipi> yeah, i'm in western canada
[10:18:05] <Tempt> .au
[10:18:10] <Tempt> It's most definately after 6.
[10:18:15] <Tempt> At least on the side that matters.
[10:18:21] <timeless> hrm, only e^ipi let me ask his time :(
[10:18:23] <razrX> lol
[10:19:24] <razrX> timezones, hate 'em
[10:20:57] <e^ipi> yeah, why can't everywhere just have the same time
[10:21:14] <razrX> earth should be flat, not round
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[10:21:37] <jmcp> Tempt: definitely beverage-of-choice o'clock
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[10:22:07] <Tempt> sure is
[10:22:17] <Tempt> At least, it would be if I wasn't here moving filesystems around.
[10:22:25] * jmcp enjoys a nice sparkling white methode champagnoise
[10:22:26] <e^ipi> and in a few hours it'll be drunk-o'clock
[10:22:52] <e^ipi> and then hanging-around-on-IRC-at-2am o'clock
[10:23:03] <razrX> and then wasted-o'clock
[10:23:04] <Tempt> generally save the drunk-o-clock for weeks these days
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[10:23:20] <e^ipi> week long drinking binges?
[10:23:23] <e^ipi> nice...
[10:23:33] <Tempt> weekends*
[10:23:42] <e^ipi> my interpretation's more fun
[10:24:03] <Tempt> Sure was, but I don't work at that place anymore.
[10:24:08] <Tempt> No more daily 6 pints for lunch time
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[10:24:44] <jmcp> Tempt: you left the uni environment?
[10:25:03] <Tempt> Telco environment.
[10:25:16] <Tempt> Uni is where people learn to drink.
[10:25:20] <jmcp> the one telco to rule them all?
[10:25:21] <Tempt> Telcos are where people get paid to drink.
[10:25:43] <Tempt> The one, the big one, the big T, the big Tree!
[10:25:58] <purserj> I prefer to refer to it as Sauron
[10:26:12] <jmcp> my bro-in-law works for their mail delivery group
[10:26:28] <Tempt> Mail delivery group?
[10:26:33] <jmcp> yeah
[10:26:37] <purserj> My wifes cousing works in their wholesale sales group
[10:26:40] <Tempt> exchange admin?
[10:26:40] <cmn_err> Tempt: that doesn't look right
[10:26:41] <jmcp> e not snail
[10:26:57] <jmcp> Tempt: no, he's in the r&d side of it, and they don't use sexchange for their customer email
[10:27:53] <Tempt> Which office is he based in?
[10:28:11] <jmcp> he's in Sydney
[10:28:17] <Tempt> Bloody hell.
[10:28:24] <Tempt> Everyone around here is in Sydney.
[10:28:33] <jmcp> I'm not
[10:28:38] <jmcp> not any more at any rate
[10:28:51] <Tempt> Where are you now?
[10:28:56] <jmcp> Brisbane, back home
[10:29:02] <Tempt> That's even worse!
[10:29:11] * jmcp gives tempt the finger
[10:29:24] <Tempt> If someone was around Melb, I could say "My filesystem juggling is done, let's go have a pint!"
[10:29:41] <jmcp> Tempt: ask boyd
[10:29:50] <Tempt> boyd's on his way home
[10:30:01] <Tempt> That'll be tomorrow.
[10:30:37] <Tempt> Thinking of the big monkey tree, I got a call from a pimp about 2 hours ago
[10:30:46] <Tempt> IBM are still desperate for Solaris admins
[10:30:49] <Tempt> $800/day
[10:30:56] <jmcp> not enough
[10:31:11] <Tempt> I believe they've gone to $900 before.
[10:31:23] <jmcp> if IBM want me as an admin, it's minimum $1000/day + gst
[10:31:37] <jmcp> fortunately for me I don't think i'll ever get that offer
[10:31:39] <Tempt> Aah, I see you've done business with IBM before?
[10:31:46] <jmcp> no, just heard about them
[10:31:59] <Tempt> To be honest... It wouldn't be that bad really.
[10:32:02] <jmcp> and been burnt by other corps before i cottoned on
[10:32:13] <jmcp> Tempt: bro-in-law used to work for them as a solaris admin....
[10:32:18] <Tempt> Most of the people I know who are working there are doing pretty well - working from home whenever they want, not exactly working hard and getting paid reasonably well.
[10:32:23] <jmcp> his/my culture and theirs aren't at all compatible
[10:32:41] <Tempt> What's your workplace culture?
[10:32:50] <jmcp> did I mention that I work for Sun?
[10:32:57] <Tempt> Yes, you did.
[10:33:02] <jmcp> there you go
[10:33:12] <Tempt> But you haven't been there forever.
[10:33:22] <Tempt> Sun's culture changes depending on where you are.
[10:33:31] <jmcp> heh :)
[10:33:37] <Tempt> Sun had a really filthy reputation in Australia a few years ago.
[10:33:38] <jmcp> close enough to forever
[10:34:07] <Tempt> .bomb era; pinkslips all 'round. Sun became a pretty unpleasant place for a lot of people.
[10:34:16] <jmcp> I managed to avoid that
[10:34:23] <Tempt> Now everything seems to be roses again. Beer and skittles.
[10:35:00] <jmcp> it's getting there
[10:35:35] <Tempt> I don't know if I'd have a niche at Sun really, so I haven't looked around too much.
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[10:38:56] <e^ipi> why is IBM looking for solaris admins?
[10:39:04] <e^ipi> i'd assume they'd be an AIX shop
[10:39:17] <jmcp> e^ipi: ibm global services
[10:39:30] <jmcp> they provide what the customer wants, which is often a bundle of solaris admins
[10:39:38] <quasi> e^ipi: they run sun boxes for customers who are not silly enough to run aix ;)
[10:39:51] * quasi used to do just that for them
[10:40:51] <quasi> not a good career move
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[10:43:15] <Tempt> Going home now ...
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[12:56:50] <lplatypus> the Sun hardware certification test suite (SUNWhcts) seems to assume that "ssh localhost ls" will not prompt for a password.  Is that a reasonable assumption?  It does prompt for a password for me and when I try to run the test suite.
[12:57:34] <cmihai> lplatypus: use ssh keys
[12:58:11] <cmihai> ssh-keygen -t dsa
[12:58:15] <cmihai> then scp that over to the server.
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[12:58:42] <cmihai> Add with ssh-add
[12:58:42] <lplatypus> is that the only way?  the test suite doesn't seem to set up ssh keys.  Is some NIS+ funkiness or something supposed to allow similar behaviour?
[12:58:55] <cmihai> No man.. you setup the keys yourself.
[12:59:12] <cmihai> Eh, yeah, well, NIS allows for single singon and such too, or LDAP if you do that.
[12:59:20] <cmihai> But really, just add the damn ssh key, and you'e set.
[12:59:25] <cmihai> http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/
[12:59:26] <cmihai> 3 commands.
[12:59:41] <lplatypus> yeah okay.. it just seems dumb to me that the test suite has that unwritten requirement
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[13:00:20] <lplatypus> thanks cmihai
[13:00:27] <cmihai> Eh :-)
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[13:02:31] <quasi> lplatypus: so you'd prefer it to take the password on the commandline or to have the automated test suite waiting for password input? ;)
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[13:03:08] <cmihai> You should have ssh keys setup anyway :P
[13:05:25] <lplatypus> quasi, point taken, but I think the test suite documentation should mention the need for ssh keys to be set up
[13:05:42] <lplatypus> or it could set up keys itself
[13:05:50] <cmihai> No, it shouldn't.
[13:06:14] <cmihai> You're supposed to scp them over yourself.
[13:06:22] <cmihai> And type in your password when you do that.
[13:06:34] <cmihai> Once you have keys setup, you no longer need to (even with scp) though.
[13:07:22] <cmihai> PS: I hope you don't run that on production machines.
[13:08:09] <lplatypus> the test suite is not for running on production machines... it trashes the basic network config while it's running
[13:08:22] <cmihai> And other disks you may have :-)
[13:08:43] <lplatypus> yeah... it recommends to run it on a fresh install
[13:09:59] <cmihai> Hm... cool, Intel Threading Building Blocks went open source ;-)
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[13:25:34] <bSON> hello
[13:25:34] <cmn_err> salut, bSON.
[13:26:49] <bSON> does solaris' x.org support Xcursor? there's extra non-xcursor code in gnome-mouse-properties for cursor themes, but i don't know if it still must be kept for the new appearance capplet in gnome 2.20
[13:27:10] <bSON> (the non-xcursor code was originally for solaris)
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[13:31:39] <lplatypus> bSON: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6351300
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[13:32:57] <bSON> lplatypus: ok, i'll integrate the fallback code then. thanks
[13:33:16] <lplatypus> see the workaround at the bottom: u can build the XCursor library yourself
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[13:56:38] <jpdrawneek> aprox - how long till SXCE 69 comes out?
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[14:04:03] <andyshack> has nayone had an experience with the "system 10 by EMS" power distro units that sun used to ship in their racks ? im trying to find some info on them ;/
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[14:36:37] <asyd> \_o<
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[14:42:59] <quasi> hey hey asyd
[14:43:05] <asyd> hello quasi
[14:43:50] <andyshack> i am confused. so many files that all look the same!
[14:44:24] <andyshack> maybe some future version will have colour grouping so i can paint by numbers.
[14:49:20] <sickness> would you advice buying SUNW now? :P
[14:55:41] <asyd> any blastwave devel here ? I don't remember the name of the box rather login and thor
[14:55:57] <trygvis> ask JWheeler
[14:56:45] <JWheeler> huh, what?
[14:57:08] <JWheeler> razrX, perhaps?
[14:57:12] <JWheeler> er, ra,
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[14:59:57] <asyd> thanks
[15:00:25] * asyd need to rebuild a package with some specifis stuff for a customer
[15:02:36] <asyd> maybe a.cervellin is around by chance? :p
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[17:09:19] <myrkraverk> I was just trying the C++ dlopen mini howto hello world; in linux, I do not need -fPIC, when compiling the shared object, but in solaris I do -- would anyone here know why?
[17:09:40] <myrkraverk> (I'm so far, using g++)
[17:11:11] <oxygene> myrkraverk: maybe PIC is set by default on linux?
[17:12:29] <myrkraverk> oxygene: maybe, or at least my distro or something
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[17:14:25] <aruiz> hey Gman
[17:14:35] <Gman> hey aruiz
[17:14:51] <aruiz> Gman, settled? wherever you are
[17:14:53] <aruiz> :)
[17:15:08] <Gman> oscon, still.
[17:15:43] <Cyrille> OS con?
[17:16:47] <Gman> o scon
[17:17:28] <dennis> anyone knows where to get opensolaris wear(shirts,etc.)?
[17:18:13] <aruiz> after 4 mothns at Sun, I'm still wondering the same thing
[17:18:27] <timsf> shreadshirt.net, cafepress - hang on, I'll get a link
[17:19:08] <timsf> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/buy_swag/
[17:19:12] <timsf>  - links off there...
[17:19:28] <dennis> timsf: thanks a lot
[17:19:44] <timsf> no worries - doesn't seem to have all the latest stuff,
[17:20:09] <timsf> but all you need is the orange t-shirts, and the xmas long sleeve running wear from store.opensolarisswag.com :-)
[17:20:16] <dennis> hehe, yeah
[17:20:35] <dennis> will order the complete store now ;)
[17:23:37] <Gman> we got some opensolaris hoodies printed off for oscon
[17:23:57] <dennis> any pictures?
[17:24:07] <Gman> hrm, stevel will probably put some up soon
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[17:30:09] * calumb wonders when this sort of stuff will be available for sale in the Sun employee store :)
[17:30:43] <Cyrille> there's a sun employee store?
[17:31:07] <Cyrille> how much are they?
[17:31:21] <calumb> Cyrille: somewhere, forget the URL off-hand... not much use unless you want to buy a Sun-branded brolly or something though :)
[17:31:52] <Cyrille> Handy in east point ;-)
[17:32:24] <calumb> plus we all get shafted for P+P from the US IIRC :)
[17:33:12] <Cyrille> with a brolly, that must hurt.
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[17:41:05] <timsf> Hey, there's http://sunware.brandvia.com - is that accessible outside swan ?
[17:41:21] <calumb> sunware, that's the word I was looking for...
[17:41:28] * calumb was trying "gift shop" and everything :)
[17:41:47] <timsf> (spent ages looking for sunwear, bloody english spelling)
[17:41:55] <calumb> heh
[17:43:42] <calumb> quite like the duffel bag that's on the front page, but they only seem to have it in black in the actual store...
[17:46:17] <timsf> Yeah, it's a shame there isn't more stuff there (like the oh pen s horse t-shirt Glynn had. These marketing types, they get all the fun)
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[17:46:47] <vituko> hola a todos...
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[18:00:19] <CIA-26> ab196087: 6583742 ELF string conversion library needs to lose static writable buffers
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[18:24:52] <bSON> hi
[18:25:54] <gdamore> hi *
[18:26:16] <bSON> can somebody try out gnome-control-center trunk and check if the m last commit (non-xcursor code for cursor themes in appearance capplet) works? i do not have a solaris installation unfortunately
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[18:26:58] <bSON> (naturally only if you haven't added Xcursor to you x server somehow)
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[18:57:08] <bSON> repeat:  can somebody try out gnome-control-center trunk and check if the m last commit (non-xcursor code for cursor themes in appearance capplet) works?
[18:57:17] <cmihai> This is NOT my lucky day. I buy 2 GB of "guaranteed for 100 years" memory and it's broken by default ;-)
[18:57:53] <the_hydra> let me guess, visipro?
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[18:59:17] <cmihai> the_hydra, no, Kingmax
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[19:00:19] <CIA-26> td122701: 6565761 SERD engine trips at less than the specified error count for correctable store buffer errors, 6567137 Only a single cpu is faulted with uncorrectable L2 cache error injection: kdlvfvd
[19:00:20] <CIA-26> ek110237: 6509628 unmount of a snapshot (from 'zfs destroy') is slow
[19:00:29] <the_hydra> cmihai: hmm
[19:00:49] <cmihai> But really, we need better customer protection here.
[19:01:14] <cmihai> They should at least factory test or shop test the damn things... I don't even mind the money, it's the downtime / lost time comuting I mind.
[19:02:27] <cmihai> And I didn't even WANT RAM
[19:03:00] <cmihai> They gave it in exchagne for the broken UPS I carried around 3 times now cause it said 2000VA and it was really 200W
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[19:14:45] <axisys> how to put a disk back to the hotspare pool? here is the current stat http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31430/
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[19:22:56] <axisys> metareplace -e d20 c2t12d0s5 seems one way.. but there might be a better way to put a hotspare disk back in the pool
[19:23:03] <axisys> any svm expert ?
[19:23:26] <axisys> based on this output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31430/ that is
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[19:37:15] <linux_user400354> is it possible to see who the recipient is of a file encrypted with gpg but not have the secret key?
[19:37:54] <e^ipi> no.... that's the point of encrypting things
[19:38:05] <e^ipi> preventing you from extracting information from it
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[19:41:22] <oxygene> hmm.. the file might store the key id to use, but openpgp probably just expects the user to have few secret keys, so it could just as well brute force which one of (if any) applies
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[20:00:37] <CIA-26> mmusante: PSARC 2007/273 zfs mount -v, 6478963 boot time observability needs to be improved
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[20:09:20] <kito> whats te correct -xchip flag for a xeon using sun studio 12?
[20:09:24] <kito> s/te/the/
[20:10:47] <bSON> excuse me for the spam, but again: can somebody try out gnome-control-center trunk and check if my last commit (non-xcursor code for cursor themes in appearance capplet) works? i do not have a solaris installation unfortunately
[20:12:12] <aruiz_> mmm
[20:12:23] <aruiz_> bSON, I could try that tomorrow at work
[20:13:03] <bSON> aruiz_: that would be nice, thanks
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[20:20:15] <reflect_> the driver list at http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/driverlist.html is excellent, but it doesn't seem to list a few things..  north/southbridges, for instance
[20:20:40] <reflect_> is there such a list, but for opensolaris (listing sil3114, nforce4, nforce5)
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[20:27:35] <richlowe> Hey Gman.
[20:27:40] <Gman> hey
[20:29:38] <jmcp> gday
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[20:41:49] <WickedWicky> heya
[20:42:16] <Corpuscule> hey
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[21:59:49] <coraline> The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!
[22:00:19] <tomww> eboutilier: hi eric :-)
[22:00:28] <Corpuscule> o_O
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[22:00:56] <__fidel> Does anybody know if Sun is planning to add win32 support to zones?
[22:01:10] * coraline sighs
[22:01:21] <tomww> __fidel: you want that on zones?
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[22:01:26] <forelle> is there any way to edit an iso image? through lofi, I can only mount it ro. do I have to create a separate iso image?
[22:01:31] <quasi> __fidel: zones aren't vmware
[22:01:35] <__fidel> i know
[22:01:51] <__fidel> but there is just partitial support of the vmware tools for solaris
[22:02:13] <quasi> nah, vmware tools works with solaris as the guest
[22:02:20] <__fidel> ok
[22:02:23] <__fidel> thanks for the info
[22:03:32] <sickness> __fidel: as far as I know, not even microsoft does (or is able to do :) such a thing...
[22:03:41] <__fidel> thanks
[22:03:54] <sickness> __fidel: I think that your alternatives, on solaris, are XEN+HVM or... wine :)
[22:03:55] <__fidel> :-)
[22:04:08] <__fidel> wine is not ideal for me
[22:04:19] <sickness> wine seems a joke, but properly unprivileged and chrooted, it could be sorta of a sandbox if not a jail...
[22:04:32] <sickness> I understand...
[22:04:44] <__fidel> maybe copy entire windows add shell and chroot :-)
[22:04:45] <__fidel> hah
[22:04:59] <sickness> eheh
[22:05:00] <sickness> anyway
[22:05:26] <__fidel> thanks I will try vmware
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[22:05:46] <sickness> such a thing as and user mode kernel or an environment that intercepts system calls doesn't exist, to my knowledge, in the win32 world (or at least, if it exists, microsoft doesn't distribute it :)
[22:05:50] <sickness> k
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[22:16:29] <forelle> so the ultra 20 m2 tools & driver cd got 1.2 GB in size since there needed to be 700 MB of windows drivers and 280 MB of windows utilities. nice.
[22:16:58] <jmcp> forelle: yeah, it's a p.i.t.a
[22:17:16] <forelle> and they didn't compress that f'n image
[22:17:23] <forelle> what the hell were they thinking?
[22:17:32] * jmcp shrugs
[22:17:43] <jmcp> I've tried to find out, but there's been no answer forthcoming
[22:18:06] <quasi> forelle: that if you're wasting a good machine on windows, you should feel a bit of pain?
[22:18:37] <jmcp> quasi: forelle didn't say that the machine is running windows
[22:18:51] <jmcp> the bios updates are delivered on that dvd image
[22:18:59] <jmcp> I know, I've got an u20m2 as well
[22:19:09] <forelle> it's supposed to be a cd image.
[22:19:15] <jmcp> it was ...
[22:19:16] <forelle> even the readme speaks of one
[22:19:29] <forelle> I don't own a dvd burner...
[22:23:42] <quasi> you could probably mangle the image enough to squeeze it down on a cd
[22:24:39] <forelle> how would I do that? mount_hsfs(1M) says one can only mount the image read only :(
[22:25:18] <_mary_kate_> you'd need to copy it off to a directory, trim it, and put it back with mkisofs or similar
[22:25:29] <quasi> h
[22:25:33] <quasi> yeah
[22:25:48] <_mary_kate_> also, complain to sun :)
[22:25:59] <tomww> jmcp: i've seen BIOS in separate images (probably not for every model ..)
[22:26:14] <forelle> ok. I'll do that. when my temper has cooled down a bit.
[22:27:05] <jmcp> tomww: yeah, they used to do that too for the u20m2
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[22:33:19] <zooko> Do folks generally use GNU make nowadays?  Suppose my makefile relies on GNU make extensions.  How should I communicate that to people who are trying to build my app?
[22:33:47] <tsoome> they should kick your ass
[22:33:54] <hile_> fix your makefile
[22:34:03] <hile_> or call it GNUMakefile, I believe
[22:34:12] <nightswim> or just wait until make gives an error
[22:34:16] <nightswim> like most people do
[22:35:05] <Plazma_Work> anyone ever had any issues with SVM and installboot?
[22:35:38] <sommerfeld> Plazma_Work: main issue i've run into is needing to installboot both sides of a mirror because LU didn't
[22:36:10] <Plazma_Work> my installboot isnt working on this box period so.. i might just have to start from square 1
[22:36:33] <tomww> Plazma_Work: installboot has normaly no issues with SVM, since they live in separate parts of the disk (SVM starts not at cylinder 0)
[22:37:42] <Plazma_Work> ahh
[22:37:46] <tomww> does installboot give some error-messages?
[22:37:57] <Plazma_Work> installboot: cannot execute - checked permissions on the fs
[22:38:02] <Plazma_Work> and the app itself.. set to 755
[22:40:10] <tomww> file installboot, what makes that?
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[22:41:04] <tomww> the manpage mentions this usage: installboot /usr/platform/`uname -i`/lib/fs/ufs/bootblk /dev/rdsk/<diskdevice>
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[22:41:17] <Plazma_Work> right.. and it still gives me cannot execute
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[22:41:20] <Plazma_Work> but it works on anotehr box
[22:41:24] <Plazma_Work> so.. i think theres something else wrong
[22:41:27] <Plazma_Work> im starting over anyway
[22:41:35] <tomww> same CPU on the other box?
[22:42:11] <Plazma_Work> it hink.
[22:42:18] <Plazma_Work> as far as i know..
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[22:48:37] <WickedWicky> did you check your openboot settings?
[22:48:55] <WickedWicky> are the drive aliases correct?
[22:49:38] <WickedWicky> zooko: when your makefiles rely on GNU make, instruct people to use gmake
[22:52:51] <zooko> WickedWicky: Okay.  I asked because my partner was irritated by the file being named "GNUmakefile", so he renamed it to "makefile" and put a note at the top saying "This requires GNU make.".
[22:53:05] <zooko> So we plan on checking, at some point, if someone gets around to it, of how much it would take to make it work on BSD make.
[22:53:40] <_mary_kate_> if it only works on gnu make, you should really call it GNUmakefile
[22:53:47] <_mary_kate_> otherwise it'll just confuse people
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[23:10:47] <quasi> there's a non-gnu world? you have to be compatible with things other than gcc and linux? you've got to be kidding ;)
[23:13:08] <jmcp> quasi: yes, it's the old world, not the gnu-world
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[23:16:03] <sommerfeld> anyone worked out a way to run a system under FSS to be fair based on uid?  (it uses "projects" ; it looks like i'd need to create a project-per-user, which is hard because my set of users is large and regularly changing)
[23:18:10] <quasi> sommerfeld: short of giving them a zone each...
[23:18:34] <sommerfeld> no.
[23:19:34] <quasi> I have a hard time seeing any other options
[23:20:18] <sommerfeld> actually I may be able to pull this off by regenerating /etc/project on a daily or weekly basis.
[23:21:42] <quasi> yeah, just stick users in groups after what size project you want them to belong to - should make generating /etc/project farily simple
[23:22:13] <SymmHome> hrm
[23:22:21] <SymmHome> asking this on behalf oa a friend:
[23:22:22] <SymmHome> Oracle2:/# metattach -s ibb ibb/d12 c5t11d0s0
[23:22:22] <SymmHome> metattach: Oracle2: ibb: metadevice database is full, can't create new records
[23:22:30] <SymmHome> anyone got any idea on how we can fix that
[23:22:35] <_mary_kate_> SymmHome: add more metadbs
[23:22:39] <jmcp> tried adding new metadb replicas?
[23:23:04] <SymmHome> hold, asking him :)
[23:23:35] <sommerfeld> i think you may need a *larger* metadb
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[23:24:01] <tlabs> heya
[23:24:06] <SymmHome> lo tlabs
[23:24:14] <SymmHome> guys, its tlabs looking for help (question i asked above)
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[23:24:22] <SymmHome> so if anyone can help him out :)
[23:24:23] <tlabs> how do i add more metadb entries?
[23:24:34] <sommerfeld> quasi: actually, the main goal is fairness on a user-by-user basis.  a certain someone likes running multiple builds at once..
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[23:24:55] <tlabs> error is: metadevice database is full, can't create new records
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[23:25:14] <SymmHome> sommerfeld you said something about needing a bigger one, can he grow the current one?
[23:25:30] <quasi> sommerfeld: ah, I'm not really a big fan of having users on my systems ;)
[23:25:42] <sommerfeld> quasi: heh
[23:26:39] <sommerfeld> tlabs: I thihnk it would be helpful to see the output of the "metadb" command to see how large they currently are
[23:26:47] <tomww> sommerfeld: would context-id help a small bit? Ok, for FSS you nedd fair users too, if one eats up all with more then 1 ctid, then this can be catched by a monitoring script...
[23:26:48] <sommerfeld> (use your favorite paste site)
[23:28:32] <sommerfeld> tlabs: it is possible to add larger metadb replicas and then remove the small ones
[23:29:12] <tlabs> sommerfeld: http://www.technolabs.co.uk/~andy/blah.txt
[23:31:16] <sommerfeld> hmm.  i have had much more than that in a metadb of that size...
[23:31:28] <tlabs> can i grow it?
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[23:31:30] <sommerfeld> something else must be wrong
[23:31:59] <tlabs> ye, i had 3 disks fail and ive had to rebuild it from scratch essentally
[23:32:10] <sommerfeld> ow
[23:32:15] <tlabs> so i may well have broken it badly
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[23:32:44] <sommerfeld> are the disk contents expendable or do you need to preserve them?
[23:33:28] <tlabs> i think they are already gone
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[23:35:06] <tlabs> is there any way to grw the size so i can add in the final disk?
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[23:38:36] <zooko> Dear people of #opensolaris.  On Linux, I have long grown to love and depend on a memory-usage debugger named valgrind.
[23:38:46] <zooko> Today I have a python interpreter which dumps core on OpenSolaris.
[23:38:54] <aruiz_> zooko, dtrace
[23:38:56] <zooko> If this were linux, I would re-run my test using valg...
[23:38:57] <zooko> Thanks.
[23:39:00] <richlowe> libumem, mdb.
[23:39:20] <richlowe> and those dbx things that nrubsig swears by, I guess.
[23:39:24] * zooko starts reading the first hit for google dtrace: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/
[23:40:59] <richlowe> dtrace is probably the wrong approach.
[23:41:40] <sommerfeld> for random memory corruption, libumem in debug mode is pretty good
[23:42:03] <sommerfeld> see umem_debug(3MALLOC)
[23:42:53] <zooko> Whee.  dtrace is definitely the wrong approach at this moment, because the introduction starts explaining how to write in the D programming language.
[23:43:01] <sommerfeld> set LD_PRELOAD=libumem.so.1 and UMEM_DEBUG=default or UMEM_DEBUG=default,verbose in your environment
[23:43:06] <zooko> I was hoping for something more along the lines of "valgrind !!", except with a different word than "valgrind".
[23:43:07] <sommerfeld> run the app
[23:43:10] <zooko> Thanks.
[23:43:52] <skyde> zooko your program dont have to be in D
[23:44:06] <skyde> D is only to say to dtrace what to profile
[23:44:18] <zooko> I didn't think it meant that I had to rewrite my program.
[23:44:32] <zooko> But it meant that I wasn't going to be able to dispatch this issue and move on with the rest of my agenda in the next 5 minutes...
[23:45:15] <skyde> :)
[23:45:17] <skyde> i understand
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