[00:00:37] <coraline> of course not
[00:01:00] <coraline> any datacenter worth their salt has a UPS/Alternative Power source
[00:03:03] <Doc> and of course this one does - but obviously something went wrong
[00:03:29] <Stric> there's always the "this shouldn't happen" thing
[00:03:54] <nachox> hehe, it is almost ironic you said that now
[00:03:59] <moazamraja> power to servers may not be the problem
[00:04:11] <moazamraja> the network links themselves probably
[00:04:24] <nachox> maybe the routers in between lost power
[00:05:26] <Stric> here at the univ we have battery ups and also a diesel thingie to kick in.. once a year or so, the diesel is tested.. when that happens, there is a few seconds when the UPS Shouldn't Fail<tm>.. guess what happened when all of our department sysadmins were up in a ski resort ;)
[00:05:30] <coraline> of course not
[00:05:40] <coraline> I worked for a LFI (large financial institution) at one point and we had triple-redundant power systems.  City power, 3 battery backups & 3 diesel generators all redundant to make sure we never went without power.
[00:05:59] <coraline> the datacenter could run on any 1 of them.  but we had 3.
[00:06:22] <Stric> so the cooling system failed, causing overheating and everything shut down? :)
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[00:06:34] <coraline> One day, city power failed, we rolled over onto the battery backup and :: boom ::, everything died.
[00:06:48] <oninoshiko> what i work has power from 2 seperate grids, UPS and generators
[00:06:52] <coraline> all of the drives spinning down sounded like a 747 landing
[00:07:00] <nachox> haha
[00:07:03] <oninoshiko> generators are tested monthly
[00:07:15] <coraline> turns out that there was a switch that handled the cut overs, and IT failed.  lol.
[00:07:27] <coraline> we tested the generators, but didn't actually test the switch.
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[00:07:31] <Stric> weakest link etc..
[00:07:32] <coraline> lol.
[00:07:45] <nachox> so many variables....
[00:07:48] <sommerfeld> coraline: yup.  sometimes that transfer switch decides to turn into a ball of plasma instead of doing what it should
[00:07:51] <coraline> so now they have triple-redundant switches.  Never been tested like that though.  :)
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[00:11:07] <sommerfeld> in the late 80's, MIT had a main power grid and a separate (smaller) emergency power grid; the latter was used for critical things (phone systems, freezers in the biology department, etc.,), with on-campus generation for the emergency grid.  when they serviced the generator, they brought in backup backup generators on trailers.  but one time, cambridge electric fell over while the generator was offline -- and the backup generators-on-trailers the
[00:11:07] <sommerfeld> y brought in fell over as well...
[00:12:03] <sickness> when you start to need the backup of the backup of the other backup and so on... something must be wrong :)
[00:12:58] <tomww> what is forgotten most times is: a) cooling not on UPS/generators
[00:13:20] <sahafeez> sun down?
[00:13:21] <tomww> or b) emergency-poweroff-switch besides the door and the switch for the room-lights
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[00:13:26] <sommerfeld> sahafeez: see /topic
[00:13:35] <sahafeez> ah
[00:13:36] <sahafeez> thanks
[00:13:41] <coraline> http://www.gull.us/humor/vaxen.html
[00:13:43] <oninoshiko> yes, sun is down, along with anyone else in SF
[00:13:50] <coraline> hilarious story.
[00:13:51] <sommerfeld> tomww: EPO switch that can be triggered by a dropped ladder
[00:14:08] <tomww> yea :-) but this one was even better.
[00:14:14] <sahafeez> http://valleywag.com/tech/breakdowns/a-drunk-employee-kills-all-of-the-websites-you-care-about-282021.php
[00:14:15] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/25ly7m
[00:14:31] <coraline> and for the young-uns, Monday, 19-Oct-1987 was Black Monday, Stock Market Crash.
[00:14:38] <tomww> switched of, then turned the datacenter back on, but colling had no auto-restart and stayed off. hot, very hot inside this room it was ..
[00:14:43] <sahafeez> hum i was looking for a new job - they may have an opening
[00:15:24] <nachox> coraline, i'm almost afraid to ask how old you are :)
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[00:15:37] <coraline> <-- 37.5
[00:15:43] <tomww> exaktly
[00:16:45] * g4lt-mordant will get back to being older than coraline in two months
[00:17:03] <coraline> erm.
[00:17:06] <coraline> 2 months?
[00:17:09] <sickness> I go to bed nite all
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[00:17:15] <g4lt-mordant> DOB: 9/25/68
[00:17:16] <cmn_err> 0.00529411764705882
[00:17:47] <tomww> so, what does 0.00529411... mean in this case?
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[00:17:58] <nachox> i feel really young now
[00:18:08] <Stric> tomww: I guess it's 9/25/68
[00:18:08] <sommerfeld> cmn_err: 1+1
[00:18:08] <cmn_err> 2
[00:18:13] <sommerfeld> we have us a bot
[00:18:14] <estibi> heh
[00:18:24] <Stric> cmn_err: and what is 1/0 ?
[00:18:24] <cmn_err> bugger all, i dunno, stric
[00:18:27] <Stric> naww.
[00:18:37] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: are the direct linker bindings on OS/Net already ?
[00:18:43] <tomww> 2^16
[00:18:44] <cmn_err> 18
[00:18:54] <jmcp> bzzt
[00:18:56] <Stric> close enough
[00:18:56] <nachox> ?
[00:18:57] <jmcp> 2**18
[00:18:57] <cmn_err> 262144
[00:19:06] <Stric> 2**9999
[00:19:10] <Stric> boom?
[00:19:18] <tomww> please wait ....
[00:19:19] <nachox> tomww, that is a logical or i think
[00:19:23] <jmcp> where was the Earth-shattering kaboom?
[00:19:34] <Stric> 2**18
[00:19:34] <cmn_err> 262144
[00:19:37] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: hell if I know
[00:19:38] <Stric> nah, it just ignored me
[00:19:39] <jmcp> nachox: not if 2**18 produced the correct answer
[00:19:48] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: ;-(
[00:20:09] <jmcp> e**i**pi
[00:20:10] <sahafeez> http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6452854?nclick_check=1
[00:20:11] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/33acl9
[00:20:12] <sahafeez> nice
[00:20:20] <sahafeez> did not return calls
[00:20:40] <Stric> welcome guest.. sign up..
[00:20:49] <tomww> yeah
[00:21:02] <e^ipi> jmcp: ?
[00:21:08] <tomww> you're welcom I won't let you in.
[00:21:11] <nachox> 2^16 = 01000 | 00001 = 01001= 18 does this make any sense? :)
[00:21:32] <tomww> 2|16
[00:21:32] <cmn_err> 18
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[00:22:05] <soulie> hello
[00:22:18] <nachox> 16^16
[00:22:18] <cmn_err> 0
[00:22:25] <Stric> ^ is probably xor
[00:22:26] <nachox> there it was xor :)
[00:22:37] <Stric> like in C
[00:22:40] <tomww> cmn_err: help
[00:22:40] <cmn_err> tomww: excuse me?
[00:22:46] <tomww> no.
[00:22:49] <oninoshiko> ok the VAX story was good
[00:23:03] <Stric> cmn_err: what happens when you stick a buttered sandwich to the back of a cat?
[00:23:03] <cmn_err> stric: i haven't a clue
[00:23:06] <Stric> kaboom.
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[00:23:24] <oninoshiko> Stric: thats where black holes come from
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[00:25:09] <soulie> ;o if i wanne install wxwigets do i go for x11 or GTK
[00:25:18] <soulie> i assume gtk ?
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[00:25:31] <Stric> gtk uses x11
[00:25:45] <soulie> hehe
[00:25:55] <tomww> but wxwidgets lets you choose to use gtk
[00:26:04] <soulie> ;o
[00:26:13] <soulie> is there a best choice?
[00:26:17] <tomww> soulie: which wxwidgets do you need?
[00:26:38] <cla> wxGTK?
[00:26:46] <soulie> :) still finding out what amule needs
[00:27:00] <cla> yeah, amule needs wxGTK afair
[00:27:29] <tomww> soulie: the ones from SFEwxwidgets.spec and SFEwxwidges-gnu.spec use: --with-gtk --enable-gtk2
[00:28:39] <soulie> but first thing first :) mldonkey tryout
[00:28:49] <jmcp> e^ipi: I was just testing cmn_err's handling, since 2^18 got misinterpreted
[00:28:56] <jmcp> good morning all, btw
[00:28:59] <sahafeez> i do not know if anyone read this - http://apcmag.com/6759/interview_with_con_kolivas_part_1_computing_is_boring - but it is so right on. i ran into the woz in sjc one day and we talked about the samething. how computers are boring now.
[00:29:00] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/3yvruu
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[00:29:53] <e^ipi> sahafeez: computers aren't boring, there's just a lot more to know now to be able to narrow down your interests to a smaller topic
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[00:30:21] <sahafeez> did you read the link? they are boring as talked about there.
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[00:31:54] <e^ipi> yes, but i reject the premise
[00:32:08] <e^ipi> "computers" aren't boring... the PC hardware industry is
[00:32:35] <coraline> they aren't boring for you.
[00:32:54] <coraline> it's a subjective statement and biased.  An opinion article.
[00:33:01] <nachox> nod
[00:33:28] <sahafeez> i think most of the old timers (those of us that started on a pet or vic-20 or such) feel this way
[00:33:39] <Stric> zx81 :)
[00:33:46] <e^ipi> i started with a ti99/a
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[00:35:02] <sahafeez> 1st 16 bit home computer that was designed by a committee of monkeys
[00:35:22] <sahafeez> some of the choices they made - they would have been off with rock paper sissors
[00:35:25] <coraline> I started by playing with magnets and making them store data for me.
[00:35:58] <g4lt-mordant> well, I think that the compute rindustry started going downhill when "hey, look what I made this do" became less important than "hey, look at the cool stuff I bought"
[00:36:21] <zooko> I started with the TI 99/4a.  My dad worked on it.
[00:36:21] <kito> I just stored all my info in binary on an abacus
[00:36:26] <zooko> Along with a bunch of other monkeys.
[00:36:29] <Stric> Hm. Just threw in the latest 10_Rec on a freshly installed s10u3 @ v245.. now it doesn't boot anymore.. last message with boot -v is 'iscsi0 is /iscsi' .. then just silence..
[00:36:39] <coraline> you threw it on there.
[00:36:45] <coraline> it likes to be orderly placed.
[00:37:01] <Stric> well.. ./install_cluster  was pretty orderly placed I think ;)
[00:38:44] <soulie> to compile mldonkey with gtk1/2 GUI it requires ocaml(busy with that) but also  labgtk 1.2.7 / 2.6.0 are those already in opensolaris?
[00:40:09] <Stric> seems to boot in single user.. Booting to milestone "milestone/single..." was the next message to pop up
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[00:41:28] * stevel goes to powerup the opensolaris machines now
[00:42:38] <nachox> sun.com is back
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[00:43:46] <myrkraverk> hmm, do I have an xorg.com file? I can't find mine
[00:44:28] <nachox> myrkraverk, if youre using Xsun, no, if youre using Xorg it is not really necesary
[00:45:08] <nachox> Xorg can detect more or less proper settings on its own, it will honor the xorg.conf file if there is one
[00:46:02] <nachox> haha, the irony, the add at sun.com is "power up and go"
[00:46:23] <myrkraverk> ok, so what options do I have, to add some xkb options{
[00:46:24] <myrkraverk> ?
[00:46:40] <myrkraverk> do I need to create an xorg.conf?
[00:46:58] <sahafeez> i love osnews - in a post a guy says that microsoft was the reason for usb.
[00:47:09] <nachox> use X -configure to generate an xorg.conf file and modify it anyway you want
[00:47:10] <myrkraverk> (I'm presuming xorg, since I'm on x86)
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[00:47:34] <nachox> if youre using xorg that is
[00:47:45] <Stric> sahafeez: they sure had a finger in the process
[00:47:48] <myrkraverk> nachox: ok, thanks
[00:48:10] <tomww> soulie: SFEocaml.spec
[00:48:27] <sommerfeld> stevel: we don't have systems set to auto-boot when power comes back!?!?
[00:48:30] <LuckyLuke> not having rsyncd managed by smf is a bug, a feature, or what?
[00:48:49] <stevel> sommerfeld: apparently not all of them
[00:48:59] <tomww> In a really large Datacenter I would not like to go up all at the same time. next outage :-)
[00:49:06] <stevel> and the main webapp server is borked
[00:49:12] <stevel> apache2 started up in maintenance
[00:49:13] <stevel> won't start
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[00:49:47] <sommerfeld> tomww: in a really large datacenter i'd expect that all circuits wouldn't power back up simultaneously
[00:49:58] <LuckyLuke> mmm seems rsyncd isn't actually installed on SXCE by default. ignore my previous question.
[00:50:21] <tomww> sommerfeld: I see, you would like that ordered according to the masterplan :)
[00:50:22] <richlowe> rsyncd isn't.
[00:50:24] <richlowe> rsync --daemon, no?
[00:50:46] <sahafeez> i fail to understand why it happen. i build a large data center. testing was done. ie, i had pg&e pull the power at the street. when it did not work i got the changes i wanted until it did.
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[00:51:24] <LuckyLuke> richlowe: I find it out right now. sorry again. always thought it was a different file. ouch.
[00:52:15] <kito> still, a service manifest/method to run rsync --daemon would be useful
[00:52:22] <LuckyLuke> so back to my original question. I could add it to inetd, but it should also be possible to use it standalone, like you do on freebsd just using rsyncd_enable="YES" to rc.conf. smf could be of use here.
[00:52:29] <LuckyLuke> kito: yep
[00:52:30] <_mary_kate_> there's an rsync manifest at blastwave.org/smf
[00:53:00] <kito> which I can't seem to get to right now either
[00:53:04] <kito> but thats good to know
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[00:53:22] <kito> ah there it goes
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[00:55:59] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:56:06] <boyd> OS.o down I see
[00:56:09] <sommerfeld> luckyluke: it was discussed but it opened a pandora's box relating to lack of integration with PAM in rsync --daemon
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[00:56:59] <nachox> nice, now the message is Service Temporarily Unavailable
[00:57:47] <boyd> Ah, /me finally sees the topic
[00:58:01] <boyd> blogs.s.c seems to be similarly affexted
[00:58:04] <boyd> affected
[00:58:39] <nachox> sun.com was down too till recently
[00:58:40] <alanc> most everything http://*.sun.com was
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[00:59:16] <stevel> the lsit of machines down is ghastly
[00:59:19] <LuckyLuke> sommerfeld: well, good to know someone at least thought about it.
[00:59:24] <stevel> list even
[00:59:29] <stevel> lots of red :(
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[01:01:01] <boyd> If only some company produced some kind of geographically distributable cluster product....
[01:01:22] <richlowe> boyd: low blow.
[01:01:45] <richlowe> stevel: how many of 'em matter right now though?
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[01:02:00] <boyd> You think? Seems to be like a technology demonstration isn't a bad thing.
[01:02:10] * nachox bets sunsolve is down too without checking
[01:02:21] <nachox> :P
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[01:02:36] <richlowe> I swear the (lack of) reliability of sunsolve is a ploy to get more support contracts.
[01:02:45] <richlowe> it's sunsolves and docs that suffer most, you notice?
[01:02:46] <stevel> richlowe: not sure
[01:03:23] <boyd> Are you saying that there is a secret up-all-the-time sunsolve that contracts get to use? I think not.
[01:03:29] <Stric> nachox: actually, it wasn't.. not for me..
[01:03:32] <zooko> What's the geographically distributed cluster product?
[01:03:39] <nachox> now is where you notice how good ufs's fsck is:)
[01:03:42] <sahafeez> any company with money should have their stuff in more then one colo with GSLB and such in place so the end user sees nothing.
[01:04:06] <boyd> Well, there's plain Sun Cluster and then for wider areas you can cluster the clusters with Sun Cluster Geographic Edition
[01:04:10] <nachox> Stric, a miracle!!
[01:04:41] <Stric> richlowe: and the online support center is down way often.. most of my support cases lately has had to be submitted by email because some osc-emea.blah.sun.com doesn't respond internally somewhere..
[01:05:28] <zooko> The open source thing I'm working on -- allmydata.org -- is an erasure-coded, decentralized storage grid.
[01:07:59] * boyd has to ask... what's "erasure coded"?
[01:08:10] <stevel> http://opensolaris.org back up
[01:08:15] <stevel> SCM repos, and mail still down
[01:08:32] <boyd> Thanks for the effort's stevel.
[01:08:37] <boyd> efforts. even
[01:08:38] <nachox> nice
[01:09:45] <sommerfeld> boyd: a form of forward error correction.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasure_code
[01:10:10] <boyd> I suppose I could have googled that :)
[01:10:25] <sommerfeld> boyd: "an erasure code transforms a message of n blocks into a message with > n blocks such that the original message can be recovered from a subset of those blocks. The fraction of the blocks required is called the rate, denoted r."
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[01:10:53] <boyd> Heh... that's about 80% a description of generic FEC
[01:11:03] <zooko> You can configure Tahoe for how many blocks it creates, and how many blocks are necessary to recover the data.
[01:11:11] <zooko> Erasure code is just another word for FEC as far as I know.
[01:11:31] <zooko> I think it is called "erasure coding" by mathematicians and "FEC" by systems researchers.
[01:11:44] <boyd> Hmm...
[01:11:49] <zooko> You can choose to produce up to 256 blocks.
[01:12:02] <LuckyLuke> I added a ZFS fs to a zone, using dataset: name: tank/workdata in zonecfg. now that zone has system/filesystem/local in maintenance (23 dep. services not running). the log file for the service says that zfs mount -a fails with exit status 1. maybe I did the zfs thing wrong? google finds something but it's on sun.com. The only thing I found looking in cached pages states 'You can use a delegated ZFS dataset for fil
[01:12:02] <stevel> SCM repos back up
[01:12:08] <stevel> mail server should be the only service still down
[01:12:14] <boyd> I often think that this kind of thing would be much more widely applicable if it had a filesystem interface.
[01:12:16] <LuckyLuke> can someone tell me what I did wrong?
[01:12:33] <alanc> do we really need e-mail?
[01:12:37] <boyd> Of course for commercial loads there's performance to consider
[01:12:38] <zooko> boyd: You mean my Tahoe project?  Yes, I would love to give it a filesystem interface, but currently the impedance mismatch is high.
[01:12:40] <alanc> it's been nice and quiet...
[01:12:42] <LuckyLuke> [sun.com does not work for me right now]
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[01:14:49] <nachox> probably mail means mailman too, which means opensolaris lists
[01:20:06] <LuckyLuke> I actually did like this, at 8.2.2: http://www.filibeto.org/~aduritz/truetrue/solaris10/zfsadminguide-html/p27.html#gayov
[01:20:07] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2bru2z
[01:20:21] <LuckyLuke> cmn_err: that's it.
[01:20:21] <cmn_err> LuckyLuke: sorry...
[01:24:03] <sommerfeld> who's responsible for the cmn_err bot?
[01:24:22] <_mary_kate_> sommerfeld: elektronkind
[01:24:27] <_mary_kate_> (judging by the hostname)
[01:24:37] <LuckyLuke> ah, it was a bot.
[01:24:43] <LuckyLuke> oh my.
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[01:31:30] <LuckyLuke> well. I still don't know what of these caused my problems, but I halted the zone, removed the dataset from it, set mountpoint=none for the dataset in globalzone, booted the zone, emptied /export, re-added the dataset to the localzone, set mountpoint=/export in the zone, and now everything is ok.
[01:32:00] <LuckyLuke> maybe it didn't like being mount by the global zone before booting the local zone, or it didn't like /export having some empty directories inside.
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[01:39:24] <stevel> mail is back up now
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[01:40:30] <boyd> Poll is a whole separate machine!?
[01:40:41] <stevel> no, it's a zone on our zone host machine
[01:40:46] <stevel> something in it didn't come up cleanly
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[01:43:08] <stevel> poll.os.o is back up now
[01:43:16] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest SXCE 68 | Latest ON 69 | Starter kits: http://get.opensolaris.org | all opensolaris.org machines should be back up now"
[01:43:24] <dclarke> didn't notice it was down
[01:43:37] <stevel> all the opensolaris.org machines went down with the SF power failure
[01:43:40] <dclarke> I did notice that blogs.sun.com was not playing nice
[01:43:51] <dclarke> SF power failure !!?!!
[01:43:51] <stevel> and only one came back up cleanly
[01:43:58] <dclarke> no UPS ?
[01:44:02] <richlowe> stevel: Hey, what the hell is the Hg argument on networking-discuss?
[01:44:08] <stevel> richlowe: don't know
[01:44:11] <stevel> at the moment, don't care
[01:44:17] * nachox takes dclarke out of the hole he was stuck in
[01:44:26] <alanc> http://laughingsquid.com/massive-power-outages-hit-san-franciscos-soma-district/
[01:44:27] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/yqb965
[01:44:28] * stevel isn't on networking-discuss
[01:44:32] <dclarke> I have been working on GCC 4.2.1 all day
[01:44:37] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: because hg enables networking of people via source.  (or something)
[01:45:27] <nachox> what's pool.os.o?
[01:45:34] <dclarke> is there a *real* news report on this ?
[01:45:40] <richlowe> stevel: Yeah, the surprise was that they were arguing with themselves rather than with us.
[01:46:02] <dclarke> nachox : can I go back into the Blastwave cave now ?
[01:46:17] <nachox> dclarke, but the real world is so much more fun!
[01:46:26] <jmcp> alanc: http://valleywag.com/tech/breakdowns/a-drunk-employee-kills-all-of-the-websites-you-care-about-282021.php
[01:46:27] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/25ly7m
[01:46:29] * dclarke thinks "no its not"
[01:46:32] <alanc> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/24/BAG9NR67253.DTL&tsp=1
[01:46:33] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/38jaa8
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[01:46:52] <stevel> okay i'm off.  if anything is busted or isn't right, please find a Sun person - ask them to look me up in namefinder and call me on my cell phone
[01:46:56] * stevel is off to go find beer
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[01:47:06] <richlowe> stevel: enjoy
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[01:47:34] <soulie> for anyone who cares mldonkey without gui and ocaml 3.10.0 works
[01:47:44] <soulie> not the gui
[01:47:47] <soulie> so far ;p
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[01:48:05] <nachox> stevel is in sf? what time is it there?
[01:48:06] <cmn_err> It's nearly ten to eight in the evening, nachox.
[01:48:22] <nachox> i will kill the bot
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[01:48:37] <jmcp> nachox: cmn_err appears to be in US/Eastern
[01:49:03] <_mary_kate_> nachox: the bot's answer was correct :)
[01:49:06] <dclarke> so .. who is in charge of the OpenSolaris.org machines and the blogs.sun.com server?
[01:49:13] <Stric> I'd say it's closer to 01:49 in the morning.. time to leave the office perhaps..
[01:49:20] <dclarke> I'll send ya a quote for some APC UPS gear
[01:49:29] <alanc> 16:49 in California right now
[01:51:13] <LuckyLuke> 01:50 in Italy. good night all :)
[01:51:56] <nachox> 20:51 in buenos aires
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[01:53:52] <triplah_w> jmcp: do you know if sun does startup essentials in aus?
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[01:55:47] <jmcp> triplah_w: I have no idea, unfortunately
[01:55:57] <triplah_w> doh
[01:56:00] <triplah_w> i hate the sun website
[01:56:18] <triplah_w> you end up on the US site when you have been browsing the aus site too easily
[01:56:23] <_mary_kate_> i used to think the sun website was good but then i realised that's only if you're in the US
[01:56:31] <_mary_kate_> the non-US sites have basically no info, not even pricing
[01:57:09] <nachox> that when they are properly translated
[01:57:20] <Stric> catalog.sun.com has some pricing for .se
[02:00:32] <CIA-26> raf: 6542161 UNIX03: fdatasync() should be a cancellation point
[02:01:20] <sommerfeld> stric: localized into Bork bork bork! like http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/ ? :-)
[02:01:40] <Stric> I wish :(
[02:02:47] <Stric> or http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/
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[02:03:59] <dclarke> wtf
[02:04:06] <dclarke> that company has no clue
[02:04:11] <dclarke> piles of stock and not much else
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[02:05:02] <Stric> S4V3 j00r Pr3F3r3N(3z W|-|3N pH1N15H3D 4ND r3TURN 2 534RC|-|.
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[02:05:16] <dclarke> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-redneck
[02:05:23] <dclarke> big ol' 404 on that
[02:06:14] <Stric> the last / is required, but they don't have redneck
[02:07:27] <dclarke> I'll bet Google never hired a single redneck
[02:07:38] <dclarke> that is descrimination
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[02:24:44] <jmcp> triplah_w: I think http://au.sun.com/iforce might be the easiest way for you to get some traction on startup essentials in aus
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[02:32:20] <triplah_w> jmcp: legend, thanks
[02:33:32] <Tempt> jmcp: HAHA, that's funny.
[02:34:00] <Tempt> jmcp: Sun have carefully developed the iforce partner program in Australia to stop people using it unless they're 100% dedicated to reselling Sun.
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[02:34:14] <Tempt> jmcp: And when I mean 100% dedicated, I mean willing to crawl over broken glass.
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[02:38:04] <jmcp> Tempt: have you provided that feedback to your sales rep, or do you just whinge about it on irc?
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[03:00:33] <CIA-26> ksn: PSARC/2005/428 PCFS support of non-ASCII filenames, 4089052 RFE: pcfs needs to support non ASCII character filename.
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[03:04:01] <Tempt> jmcp: I gave my feedback; and ended up doing business with my local reseller who was most helpful.
[03:04:47] <Tempt> jmcp: The iForce program was managed out of India at the time, and there was a complete communications breakdown.
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[03:16:54] <Reidms> What is a good Usenet provider and news reader for solaris?
[03:17:07] <Tempt> Reidms: slrn is an excellent newsreader.
[03:17:17] <Auralis> claws-mail
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[03:19:07] <Tpent1> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Sun-exec-accuses-Microsoft-of-patent-terrorism-/0,130061733,339280437,00.htm  OMG go james eagleton!
[03:19:09] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/yrv95h
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[03:23:00] <Reidms> Thanks Tempt
[03:24:08] <myrkraverk> erm, what could by locking my dvd drive?
[03:24:35] <myrkraverk> aparently, it's not mounted
[03:24:44] <myrkraverk> and I'd like to skip rebooting to get my movie back
[03:25:05] <Reidms> And thanks Auralis
[03:25:53] <Tempt> myrkraverk: Paperclip it?
[03:25:56] <palowoda> Hal open the pod bay.  No Dave I can't do that.
[03:26:01] <sbahra> apokayi, ping?
[03:26:21] <palowoda> Try restarting the hal with svcadm.
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[03:28:03] <myrkraverk> Tempt: hmm, yeah -- remarkably it has a hole (now where is a paperclip)
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[03:29:33] <myrkraverk> palowoda: you talking to me?
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[03:29:48] <palowoda> Yes.
[03:30:08] <myrkraverk> palowoda: ok, that worked too ;)
[03:30:15] <myrkraverk> thanks
[03:34:53] <myrkraverk> hmm, putting a CDROM in it works, so now a question: does solaris read dvd movie disks?
[03:35:15] <Auralis> with the righter player software
[03:35:45] <Auralis> mplayer, ogle, xine, vlc
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[03:39:09] <myrkraverk> hmm, it doesn't mount it though (aparently)
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[03:52:10] <natsumey_> hye, anyone have quick and dirty how to install netbackup agent for oracle
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[03:53:51] <myrkraverk> _dfb_version=$(dfb_version $_dfb_major $_dfb_minor $_dfb_micro)
[03:54:03] <myrkraverk> why does /bin/sh choke on that?
[03:54:10] <myrkraverk> (trying to configure mplayer)
[03:54:24] <_mary_kate_> $()
[03:54:29] <jmcp> myrkraverk: because that's a bashism, not a /bin/sh-ism
[03:54:30] <_mary_kate_> use `` instead or use /usr/xpg4/bin/sh
[03:54:37] <_mary_kate_> actually it's a POSIXism :)
[03:54:40] <sommerfeld> it's a ksh-ism and posix-ism
[03:54:41] <richlowe> indeed.
[03:56:52] <myrkraverk> so, erm, why hasn't the script been fixed upstream yet?
[03:57:06] <jmcp> myrkraverk: ask the people who maintain it
[03:57:07] <myrkraverk> analism on behalf of mplayer devs?
[03:57:10] <_mary_kate_> probably because delewis is of the opinion that everyone should put /usr/xpg4/bin in their path
[03:57:17] <_mary_kate_> and he maintains mplayer on solaris :)
[03:58:08] <myrkraverk> erm, but the script actually invokes /bin/sh ;/
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[03:59:19] <Auralis> or someone upstream borked it again
[03:59:31] <myrkraverk> could be
[04:00:29] <Auralis> hrm, i don't remeber having to fix the mplayer configure script
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[04:01:24] <myrkraverk> to add salt to the wound, I had to patch the direct fb part of it (as if there is one for solaris?)
[04:02:58] <kito> mplayer is maintained?
[04:03:08] <kito> sorry, bad joke
[04:03:39] <kito> mplayer is crap to build on every OS I've used
[04:04:03] <Auralis> builds fine here
[04:09:11] <hile_> The only thing that's crap about mplayer is that it requires gcc to build
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[04:14:51] <stanielzhang> whois trs81
[04:16:48] <uebayasi> gdamore?
[04:16:56] <stanielzhang> anybody here, I m a new guy in opensolaris, first time use this chat room
[04:20:10] <jmcp> welcome
[04:20:27] <stanielzhang> thx, buddy
[04:21:26] <stanielzhang> actually I m working on building ON and my goal is to make a usable system, anybody interested?
[04:22:40] <jmcp> stanielzhang: it's not hard to build ON
[04:22:46] <jmcp> are you creating a new distro?
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[04:24:09] <stanielzhang> yes
[04:24:22] <stanielzhang> I m trying
[04:24:35] <jmcp> good luck
[04:24:42] <jmcp> it's a big task
[04:25:01] <stanielzhang> I have tried about lfs,but it is totally different in opensolaris
[04:25:31] <jmcp> yup
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[04:26:01] <hile_> I don't really see the point in the distro fragmentation
[04:26:16] <hile_> but then, jmcp knows how I run my boxes
[04:26:34] <jmcp> :)
[04:26:52] <sommerfeld> stanielzhang: i'd advise you to work on a smaller  project first
[04:26:59] <richlowe> hile_: it provides excuses.
[04:27:08] <richlowe> hile_: "Oh, I don't know anything about $X"
[04:27:09] <richlowe> hile_: :)
[04:27:21] <stanielzhang> great advice
[04:27:53] <_mary_kate_> hile_: you run them all on nexente gnu/debian/solaris 0.00001alphaalphaalpha-cvs-svn-turbo?
[04:27:56] <stanielzhang> but I really want to make it usable, what the real difficulty lies?
[04:28:18] <jmcp> #define usable
[04:28:36] <e^ipi> I find SX to be quite useable
[04:29:04] <e^ipi> the only problem I see is ACPI support on my laptop, but that's not going to be fixed by packaging stuff up differently
[04:29:05] <stanielzhang> jmcp:well, basic shell and kernel and drivers
[04:29:11] <sommerfeld> stanielzhang: tightly scoped projects are more likely to succeed
[04:29:31] <sommerfeld> "more usable" is kinda fuzzy
[04:29:44] <e^ipi> stanielzhang, ON contains all that, plus a bunch of libraries, plus perl and a whole ton of other stuff
[04:29:50] <e^ipi> ON is pretty big
[04:30:16] <stanielzhang> Well, how do I create a clean system using ON?
[04:30:30] <e^ipi> "clean system" ?
[04:30:49] <stanielzhang> I mean get rid of the host system_solaris express
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[04:32:27] <stanielzhang> Can I start my work from chroot into the proto directory built from the ON src
[04:32:59] <e^ipi> read this: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/
[04:33:06] <e^ipi> the whole thing. know it inside-out
[04:33:24] <sommerfeld> the proto area from ON is not a complete system
[04:34:19] <stanielzhang> sommerfeld: I know, but how to make it complete--at least bootable
[04:36:31] <e^ipi> perhaps you should read the devref i posted & try to make yourself intimitely aware of what precisely OpenSolaris /is/ before you go trying to hack it apart
[04:39:33] <stanielzhang> thx
[04:42:11] <e^ipi> I'm not saying you shouldn't, just that you're asking high-level questions on how to do low-level operations which are probably a lot more complicated than you think they are.
[04:42:57] <e^ipi> that said, best person to ask would probably be moinak
[04:43:26] <e^ipi> he's a sun employee, so his email's probably moinak.ghosh at sun dot com
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[04:52:05] <Teknomancer> morning all
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[05:00:30] <CIA-26> yd196099: PSARC 2007/326 New subclass for DR class events, 6556852 mpt need to support ThumperF platform
[05:00:51] <_mary_kate_> thumperf?  the plural of thumper if you have a lithp?
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[05:01:34] <opensolaris> whoos
[05:01:44] <jmcp> _mary_kate_: next rev
[05:01:57] <_mary_kate_> yeah, i guessed as much :)
[05:02:06] <richlowe> great, now I won't be able to read that without thinking of it lisped.
[05:02:49] <opensolaris> Hi!
[05:02:58] <Teknomancer> what's the equivalent of ifup/ifdown under opensolaris ?
[05:03:05] <jmcp> ifconfig up ; ifconfig down
[05:03:10] <jmcp> Teknomancer: rtfm for "ifconfig"
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[05:03:23] <Teknomancer> k
[05:03:55] <jmcp> opensolaris: I would appreciate it if you chose a different nick
[05:04:01] 
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[05:04:11] <_mary_kate_> those aren't exactly equivalent.. maybe the closest is "svcadm restart network/physical"
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[05:04:50] <Teknomancer> damn i really need to get rid of gaim and get pidgin :(
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[05:12:03] <kito> in sxcr b68a I am getting "Failed to configure IPv4 interface(s): e1000g0" on bootup, but the device seems to be getting configured properly, and seems to function properly. I don't see anything out of the ordinary in dmesg output
[05:12:23] <kito> where would I start digging to figure out why its throwing the error?
[05:12:38] <jmcp> kito: that's generally only seen in an installation process, rather than when you're usingit
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[05:13:00] <jmcp> it means that there was no rarp or dhcp or bootparams response to queries sent out from that interface
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[05:13:15] <kito> hmm ok
[05:13:18] <kito> this is post install
[05:13:28] <kito> wonder what happened
[05:13:42] <kito> wasn't seeing it using the exact same config in b64
[05:14:05] <boyd> Anyone played with getting Ubuntu to run under the latest Xen bits?
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[05:17:07] <opensolaris> Use Ubuntu as dom0 or domU ?
[05:17:31] <boyd> domU
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[05:17:44] <boyd> either, actually
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[05:29:53] <Teknomancer> which file must i edit to "Add /opt/csw/bin to root's PATH" ?
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[05:37:36] * Doc prods tpenta
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[05:44:43] <bda> zfs++
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[05:47:29] <Doc> i refuse to run ZFS until it's open sourced!
[05:47:44] <Tempt> hmm?
[05:47:45] <Tempt> huh?
[05:47:49] * Tempt shakes head
[05:49:50] <Doc> it's ok tempt. I forgive you
[05:50:47] * Teknomancer wonders if there is any indian mirrors for blastwave :)
[05:53:05] <bda> Moving a zone from one system to another due to I/O saturation. Copy time + about a minute to get it back in production.
[05:53:23] <bda> Second time I've done it, but I'm still amazed. :-)
[05:53:28] <gdamore> uebayasi: you paged me?  (sorry for the long lag...)
[05:56:00] <Teknomancer> pidgin isn't on blastwave :(
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[05:59:01] <uebayasi> gdamore: hi!
[05:59:08] <Teknomancer> gaim came along with the opensolaris install, can i upgrade it using pkg-get ? I'm not sure how pkg-get manages the packages/paths etc...
[05:59:10] <Tempt> Doc: What *are* you banging on about today?
[05:59:15] <uebayasi> i have a question about NetBSD spi(4) ;)
[05:59:36] <Laserdrill> hi all
[06:00:07] <uebayasi> (cow-orker is writing a host driver with it)
[06:00:48] <gdamore> isn't this the wrong channel for that? :-)
[06:01:00] <gdamore> not that I hang out on #netbsd often....
[06:01:03] <gdamore> but you could /msg me.
[06:01:08] <uebayasi> k
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[06:03:21] <gdamore> for the #opensolaris'ers benefit, gdamore wrote netbsd's spi framework...
[06:04:23] * Teknomancer thinks he's made a big blunder
[06:04:38] <kito> when using a whole disk for zfsroot, is it not possible to have swap on that same disk?
[06:04:55] <Teknomancer> dang, i think pkg-get/blastwave is not for opensolaris :)
[06:04:58] <kito> or do I need to create a new slice that
[06:05:03] <kito> s/that/for that/
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[06:05:35] <kito> Teknomancer I use blastwave on osol all the time
[06:05:44] <kito> why you say that?
[06:05:58] <Teknomancer> Kito it says this: No such directory `pub/freeware/i386/5.11'.
[06:06:17] <Teknomancer> even though my mirror is set to mirror.pacific.net.au (it tries to load ftp.sunfreeware.com)
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[06:06:32] <Teknomancer> command i gave was pkg-get -D gaim
[06:07:57] <kito> hmm
[06:08:00] <uebayasi> gdamore: did you see my priv msg?
[06:08:03] <kito> did you try updating the catalog file?
[06:08:11] <Teknomancer> Kito how do i do that ?
[06:08:44] <kito> Teknomancer pkg-get -U
[06:08:48] <Teknomancer> yes it does complain about cannot find ERROR: could not get catalog file (when i ran pkg-get -D ...)
[06:08:53] <Teknomancer> kito ok will try that
[06:09:19] <Teknomancer> hmm nope
[06:09:31] <Teknomancer> WARNING: gpg not found  Getting catalog...  and it again goes lookin ftp.sunfreeware.com
[06:10:31] <uebayasi> will mail him...
[06:10:43] <axisys> Teknomancer: pkg-get install gpg
[06:10:56] <axisys> it will tell u  how to add the key
[06:11:10] <Teknomancer> ok
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[06:11:54] <Teknomancer> hm, same error as before...
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[06:12:58] <axisys> Teknomancer: oops.. pkg-get install gnupg
[06:14:06] <Teknomancer> hm nope doesn't work...
[06:14:34] <Teknomancer> WARNING: gpg not found <-- me thinks this could be the fundamental problem :)
[06:14:35] <axisys> what error message u get.. can you paste the command and output here http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[06:14:40] <Teknomancer> yes
[06:15:30] <Teknomancer> axisys:  http://phpfi.com/252067
[06:16:24] <axisys> Teknomancer: change your url to this
[06:16:24] <cmn_err> axisys: that doesn't look right
[06:16:27] <axisys> http://ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/csw/unstable
[06:16:31] <axisys> and then try again
[06:16:50] <Teknomancer> ok u mean the default one right ?
[06:17:13] <axisys> Teknomancer: yes
[06:17:16] <axisys> or like this
[06:17:19] <axisys> pkg-get -s http://ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/csw/unstable install gnup
[06:17:26] <axisys> gnupg that is
[06:17:33] <gdamore> uebayasi: no.
[06:17:39] <Teknomancer> k
[06:17:45] <gdamore> you can e-mail me garrett at damore dot org
[06:18:17] <Teknomancer> axisys:  ok that seems to be working :)
[06:18:54] <Teknomancer> axisys: thx,  can i upgrade existing gaim using this pkg-get ?
[06:18:59] <axisys> Teknomancer: cool.. just use that as your default url
[06:19:15] <Teknomancer> oh , well i thought it will be slow so i chose mirror.pacific.net.au (which i used in debian)
[06:19:18] <axisys> well it will install everything in /opt/csw
[06:19:25] <Teknomancer> oh
[06:19:26] <axisys> so it wont upgrade existing ones
[06:19:33] <Teknomancer> ok..
[06:19:34] <axisys> unless they are same pkg name
[06:19:42] <axisys> and same path
[06:19:46] <Teknomancer> i c
[06:20:11] <Teknomancer> is there any GUI for this pkg-get ?
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[06:20:41] <nitro4ce> i can't open a xls document using openoffice
[06:20:52] <Doc> you should be able to
[06:20:56] <axisys> Teknomancer: not that I know of
[06:21:12] <axisys> Teknomancer: follow this if u like to change ur mirror http://www.blastwave.org/mirrors.php#pkg-get
[06:21:13] <Teknomancer> ok
[06:21:14] <nitro4ce> Doc: here is the link: http://www.mecon.gov.ar/finanzas/download/deudac.xls
[06:21:49] <Teknomancer> hmm its asking me The following files are already installed on the system and are being used by another package:   /opt/csw/bin <attribute change only> ... etc.  should i proceed..
[06:21:54] <Teknomancer> i think it only changes permissions perhaps?
[06:21:59] <axisys> yes
[06:22:05] <axisys> proceed
[06:22:08] <Teknomancer> ok
[06:22:32] <nitro4ce> Doc: i get: loading. then: adapt row. adapt height. and then.. nothing..
[06:22:33] <axisys> those messages has nothing to do with pkg-get.. they are from pkgadd
[06:22:44] <axisys> pkg-get is just a wrapper
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[06:23:00] <Teknomancer> k ...
[06:23:03] <Doc> yup, indeed.  kills star office too
[06:23:10] <Doc> opens fine in excel
[06:23:21] <Teknomancer> thx a lot axisys
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[06:25:03] <uebayasi> gdamore: mail sent
[06:25:10] <WickedWicky> good morning
[06:26:35] <Teknomancer> morning WickedWicky
[06:26:40] <nitro4ce> Doc: i don't have excel :(
[06:27:38] <WickedWicky> how do I prevent dhcpagent from running?
[06:28:13] <WickedWicky> it's doing dhcp requests for rtls0 while I clearly configured rtls0 to be a static configured IP address
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[06:31:35] <WickedWicky> morning stevel
[06:31:44] <stevel> 'evening
[06:31:47] <stevel> :)
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[06:32:26] <richlowe> So, for my own education.
[06:32:33] <richlowe> what the hell is 'wx backup -t' mnemonic for?
[06:32:37] <richlowe> all I can come up with is ls -t
[06:32:40] <richlowe> but that's a stretch.
[06:33:14] <stevel> dunno :-P
[06:33:15] <stevel> ask will
[06:33:36] <richlowe> I don't intend to mention the b-word in public in the near future.
[06:33:40] <richlowe> other than in this context.
[06:33:51] <Doc> "V Australia"... hrmmm
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[06:34:32] <WickedWicky> you mean the "copy stuff to another location in case you might need it in the future" word, richlowe?
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[06:38:24] <richlowe> stevel: also, both you and Glynn posting photos of beer is *so* not cool, even if it is simon holding it.
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[06:38:34] <gnut> hello
[06:38:45] * dlg yawn
[06:38:58] <gnut> does anyone here use the live upgrade feature to upgrade SXCE?
[06:39:05] <richlowe> sometimes.
[06:39:27] <gnut> sometimes, when I do it, I get to the final part where I am supposed to reboot with init 6... and it just doesn't.
[06:39:32] <gnut> I wonder if it's my computer.
[06:39:43] <gnut> grr
[06:39:48] <richlowe> how long did you wait? sometimes the stuff lu does on the way down takes a while.
[06:39:58] <stevel> richlowe: come on out to OSCON or MPK and we'll gladly buy you beer
[06:40:10] <gnut> well, i usually wait around 5 minutes before i get frustrated?
[06:40:25] <gnut> hmm
[06:41:01] <gnut> hey, how does solaris's self-healing stuff work? if the OS goes down hard (say I rebooted not knowing it was still working)... will it try to fix itself on the next reboot?
[06:42:54] <gnut> basically, i'm having issues with my work machine. it wouldn't reboot while i tried to lu from b65 to b68. when i try to boot into b68, it reboots itself. when i try to boot into b65, it just gets to the part that says "waiting for desktop login" but never goes into graphical mode. and it's been like this for an hour or so.
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[06:47:58] <e^ipi> ssh in, see if svcs -xv has anything to say about the matter
[06:48:01] <e^ipi> and fmdump
[06:50:25] <e^ipi> holy shit, the canadian dollar is worth more than USD
[06:51:09] <Teknomancer> my friend is buying a laptop currently from the US and its DEAD cheap when converting to my country's currency
[06:51:21] <e^ipi> yeah, i'm thinking of driving to seattle
[06:53:15] <gnut> e^ipi: thanks. another trick learned... part of getting used to solaris
[06:53:54] <gnut> i figure i have to run into a lot of problems and breakages before i can have confidence in my ability to manage/fix my systems
[06:54:58] <stevel> anyone have a photo of their non-Sun system (desktop or laptop) running Solaris?
[06:55:07] <stevel> or any other OpenSolaris distribution
[06:55:25] * bda only has servers. :<
[06:55:30] <richlowe> stevel: Sun employee flickr-ish things are full of shots of it on ferrari's and similar.
[06:55:31] <Teknomancer> non-Sun system?
[06:55:36] <stevel> bda: non-Sun?
[06:55:42] <_mary_kate_> stevel: i can give you a picture of a dell server running solaris? :)
[06:55:45] <Teknomancer> i'm running OpenSolaris on my Sony Vaio laptop
[06:55:48] <richlowe> stevel: jim seems to have photos of every employee laptop imaginable from confs and such.
[06:55:50] <stevel> _mary_kate_: would be great
[06:55:56] <stevel> richlowe: yeah, i've got those
[06:56:01] <stevel> i want photos of some other systems too
[06:56:03] <_mary_kate_> stevel: really?  it's headless, it's just the machine..
[06:56:04] <bda> stevel: Generic crap 2U cases.
[06:56:12] <stevel> _mary_kate_: good enough
[06:56:19] <stevel> bda: fine by me
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[06:56:38] <stevel> email them to stevel at sun.com please
[06:56:56] <boyd> If that's good enough, why no just pull photos of random serves from Flickr and *say* they're running Solaris
[06:57:01] <boyd> servers
[06:57:03] <Teknomancer> hehe
[06:57:13] <stevel> boyd: cause that would be dishonest :)
[06:57:24] <stevel> and i'm not in marketing or PR
[06:57:27] * stevel ducks
[06:57:30] <boyd> Hehe
[06:57:31] <bda> :o
[06:57:34] <_mary_kate_> oh, hm.. apparently that system was installed after we last had a camera there :(
[06:57:39] <gnut> stevel: what are they for?
[06:57:49] <stevel> gnut: a talk gman and i are doing at OSCON on thursday
[06:57:54] <richlowe> boyd: because luck states they'll contain hardware that isn't supported, and someone will check? :)
[06:58:18] <boyd> :)
[06:58:54] <stevel> if i did that, i'm sure i'll have the one smartass in the crowd that happens to own that one particular whitebox system that *doesn't* in fact run Solaris
[06:59:38] <WickedWicky> stevel: http://jake.ruivo.org/~patrick/IMG_2360.jpg
[07:00:07] <stevel> wickedwicky: awesome, thanks
[07:00:08] <WickedWicky> and yes, i can confirm there is hardware in that box that doesnt work
[07:00:09] <kito> is it possible/stupid to have swap zon a zvol?
[07:00:15] <WickedWicky> 2/3rd of my IDE controllers :P
[07:00:16] <kito> s/zon/on/
[07:00:27] <stevel> oh, this was your crazy sata setup
[07:00:49] <WickedWicky> ATA
[07:00:53] <WickedWicky> but the disks are pointless
[07:01:06] <WickedWicky> my promise controllers dont work, my sil680s dont work, even after flashing to non-raid bios
[07:01:11] <WickedWicky> so I'll have something to do this weekend
[07:01:39] <WickedWicky> I'll make a picture of my HP pavilion laptop later for you, okay?
[07:01:54] <stevel> wickedwicky: that'd be great; i don't have any photos of HPs yet. thanks
[07:01:55] <WickedWicky> (and yes, it runs solaris)
[07:02:17] <dlg> real men write storage drivers so they can use their disks
[07:02:26] <WickedWicky> dlg: real men are programmers
[07:02:29] <WickedWicky> I am not
[07:02:29] <WickedWicky> :P
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[07:02:34] <dlg> there there
[07:02:35] <dlg> there there
[07:03:02] <WickedWicky> so stevel: I'll make a pic of my laptop and the HP desktop I installed nv68 on last week
[07:03:09] <stevel> perfect
[07:03:34] <WickedWicky> see you in a bit, going to the bus station now
[07:04:16] <ShanghaiScott> anyone successfully built JDS lately? I'm getting all kinds of failures starting with libpopt (though I solved that one...)
[07:04:17] <WickedWicky> dlg: sniff sniff, but but... I am trying, I can write hello world in C without crashing my machine and I am even capable of simple file handling (open/read/write/close)
[07:04:18] <WickedWicky> :p
[07:04:41] <dlg> WickedWicky: you're almost there
[07:06:32] <_mary_kate_> stevel: my old desktop: http://hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org/~river/pict0101.jpg (sorry about the pic quality :)
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[07:07:51] <ShanghaiScott> When is pkg* going to have an upgrade function (like rpm -U)? The idea that you have to remove a package to install a new version, only to discover that the new version has other dependencies, really sucks.
[07:08:07] <_mary_kate_> ShanghaiScott: it already does, you just have to configure its behaviour when installing an existing package
[07:08:18] <stevel> _mary_kate: great, thanks
[07:08:58] <ShanghaiScott> and how is that done?
[07:09:05] <coraline> man pkgadd?
[07:09:10] <ShanghaiScott> lol
[07:09:14] <ShanghaiScott> I already tried that
[07:09:27] <coraline> it's broked?
[07:09:36] <_mary_kate_> you specify it in the admin file, i forget the exact syntax (because i never used it)
[07:09:57] <coraline> hrm.
[07:10:07] <coraline> there is something wrong with my left arm
[07:10:37] <stevel> take it out of your pants
[07:10:37] <cmn_err> <stevel> I'M A FUCK PUPPET
[07:10:45] <duri> how do you find the mac addresses when you have 4 Gb ports. ifconfig only gives me bge0 ...
[07:10:50] <coraline> meaty fuck puppet?
[07:11:00] <coraline> stevel: no.
[07:11:05] <trygvis> duri: then it is the first port
[07:11:11] <trygvis> try ifconfig -a plumb
[07:12:23] <duri> does not provice macaddr
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[07:12:25] <duri> provide
[07:12:35] <coraline> http://loux.org/kate/techno/interface_script.txt
[07:12:44] <ShanghaiScott> ah. the trick is man -s 4 admin... and then you can learn that you can just ignore conflicts
[07:12:55] <ShanghaiScott> which isn't really the same thing as rpm -U
[07:13:08] <coraline> ShanghaiScott: newsflash, Solaris is not Linux.
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[07:13:33] <_mary_kate_> usually you upgrade packages on solaris with patches
[07:13:36] <ShanghaiScott> coraline: news flash opensolaris is on it's way to being like linux. thats why Ian is taking over
[07:13:38] <coraline> you may not have gotten that memo.
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[07:14:21] <coraline> You're right.  I didn't.
[07:14:43] <ShanghaiScott> pkg* even uses spec files, which is cool
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[07:15:44] <ShanghaiScott> So, anyway, building JDS... anyone tried that lately?
[07:15:51] <kaiwai> hi, just got an issue, installed the latest current, this appears when my computer boots -  _PSS package not found.
[07:16:12] <_mary_kate_> latest current?
[07:16:20] <oxygene> I wonder why people who want "linux" don't simply stick with "linux" *shrug*
[07:16:32] <coraline> oxygene: preach it brotha.
[07:16:33] <ShanghaiScott> I don't want linux. I want solaris.
[07:16:51] <kaiwai> _mary_kate_: yeap
[07:16:52] <coraline> You seem to be confused.
[07:17:05] <g4lt-mordant> ShanghaiScott, solaris doesn't want the likes of you though.
[07:17:10] <ShanghaiScott> I wonder why people who like solaris have to deal with people who don't know that there are good things about linux
[07:17:15] <_mary_kate_> ShanghaiScott: you want "instance", not "conflict"
[07:17:25] <coraline> ShanghaiScott: Name one.  Please.
[07:17:26] <_mary_kate_> kaiwai: what does "latest current" mean?  current what?
[07:17:44] <oxygene> same as with linux wanting to be a "unix "- those who wanted "unix" (instead of just a free lunch) weren't too happy with it, why should a linuxified solaris be able to make linux users happy?
[07:17:46] <coraline> Linux has pretty directory colors.
[07:18:02] <coraline> therefore, it rules.
[07:18:07] <kaiwai> _mary_kate_: ON build
[07:18:18] <kaiwai> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/
[07:18:36] * coraline passes the bong
[07:18:42] <_mary_kate_> how did you install it?
[07:19:40] <kaiwai> bfu
[07:19:45] <_mary_kate_> did you run acr?
[07:19:58] <kaiwai> does it do it automatically?
[07:20:01] <oxygene> ShanghaiScott: there are good things about linux - but some of them conflict directly with some of the good things in solaris
[07:20:11] <rbrown_> http://www.bankersball.com/2007/07/19/choose-your-seat-wisely/
[07:20:12] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2s9v2z
[07:20:59] <_mary_kate_> kaiwai: no, that's why it tells you to run it manually
[07:21:34] <oxygene> in the end, that leads to a system that no-one is really happy with - because some of the good solaris stuff was scrapped (in favor of a linuxism here and there), while some of the good linux things didn't make it (not a high enough priority for some people to warrant breaking even more solaris things)
[07:21:47] <ShanghaiScott> oxygene: I don't care about linux. so you can stop your rambling now.
[07:22:15] <ShanghaiScott> I just want to have the latest JDS built on my very on SPARC system
[07:22:26] <ShanghaiScott> s/on/own
[07:22:31] <coraline> Your first sparc?
[07:22:52] <oxygene> ShanghaiScott: cute.
[07:22:53] <ShanghaiScott> that would be 1995...
[07:23:00] <duri> trygvis: thanks
[07:23:15] <gnut> when you bfu, does that break JDS?
[07:23:30] <coraline> Oh?  what was it?
[07:23:47] <coraline> Mine was a little LX.
[07:23:50] <coraline> I think I still have it someplace.
[07:23:51] <gnut> i did bfu once, then things started going awry with JDS and openoffice... so now i just use LU
[07:23:53] <_mary_kate_> gnut: no (hopefully), but it doesn't upgrade jds either
[07:23:54] <g4lt-mordant> gnut, depends on what you mean by "break", there's a bfu-equivalent for JDS/X
[07:24:16] <kaiwai> _mary_kate_: never mentions that in the documentation
[07:24:25] <gnut> g4lt-mordant: oh? so you compile and it'll maintain integrity... as in... StarOffice still works, etc...?
[07:24:40] <_mary_kate_> kaiwai: you go on believing that
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[07:25:07] <richlowe> g4lt-mordant: JDS, not X
[07:25:12] <gnut> kaiwai: it does. i saw it when I was doing my last BFU
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[07:25:44] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: bfu runs acr automatically if it can find it.
[07:25:54] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: which is part of why ACR is set in opensolaris.sh
[07:25:57] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: hm, really?  i didn't notice that
[07:26:04] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: well, normally it can't find it. :)
[07:26:05] <ShanghaiScott> the first one I owned, not part of a work/school, was a SPARCstation 10 with dual Ross modules. I gave it away to a lunatic in 2003.
[07:26:20] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: if ACR is unset, it looks in $GATE/public/bin.
[07:26:37] <g4lt-mordant> richlowe, I thought that there was a bfu-equivalent for X as well
[07:26:50] <ShanghaiScott> what's bfu?
[07:27:09] <coraline> I still have a SS20 with dual 125MHz Ross Hypersparcs.  lol.
[07:28:02] <dlg> mmmsparc
[07:28:05] <gnut> ShanghaiScott: the way you recompile opensolaris bits
[07:28:13] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: huh, or it used to...
[07:28:16] <ShanghaiScott> I started using Solaris 10 at work these days, so I busted out my Ultra 10 and Ultra80. Put fresh SXCE and various things
[07:28:55] <kaiwai> gnut: you're right, I didn't read the friendly documentation as I should :P
[07:29:16] <kaiwai> once acr is done, is that it?
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[07:33:11] <coraline> Bum Fuck Uganda?
[07:35:19] <_mary_kate_> bonwick-faulkner upgrade
[07:37:36] <e^ipi> brick-factory update
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[07:43:52] <gnut> does a live upgrade "fix" the BE you're upgrading? i.e., say I have a current BE which is giving my problems. i want to live upgrade to the next release to fix all my worries. i lucreate then luupgrade then boot into the new upgraded BE. will the luupgrade clean the slate so that those problems I don't know about are gone?
[07:44:19] <gnut> i.e, is it like a fresh install?
[07:44:22] <gnut> without the configuration?
[07:44:31] <_mary_kate_> no, it copies your existing BE, then upgrades it
[07:44:40] <gnut> assuming my issues are not configuration-related.
[07:45:06] <gnut> _mary_kate_: what does the upgrade do? does it copy over all the system files or does it just selectively copy the changed ones?
[07:45:24] <_mary_kate_> gnut: the same as any upgrades, it replaces the existing packages with the new ones
[07:47:39] <gnut> are all files on a solaris system technically associated with a package? or is there a base system that's the core OS that's not part of any package.
[07:47:58] <_mary_kate_> all of solaris is in packages.  files you create yourself aren't
[07:48:29] <gnut> hmm... okay. thanks.
[07:49:24] <gnut> so if my current BE is not booting due to some corrupted library, unless the LU system is hosed, it should be replaced and work on the next upgrade
[07:49:34] <gnut> funky.
[07:49:53] <gnut> i'm going to blame my computer.
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[07:54:50] <gnut> when you have the reason "State: offline since ... Reason: Start method is running."
[07:55:05] <gnut> how long should you wait for start method to stop or start?
[07:55:52] <coraline> somewhere between this long
[07:55:53] <jmcp> depends on how anxious you are
[07:55:56] <coraline> and the end of time.
[07:56:01] <gnut> heh
[07:56:12] <gnut> well, it's been this way since 7:45pm today. and now it's almost 11pm
[07:56:19] <jmcp> gnut: that's probably too long
[07:56:29] <coraline> depends really.
[07:56:30] <jmcp> run svcs -x nameofservice find out where the logfile is and review it
[07:56:41] <gnut> the logfile looks clean
[07:56:46] <gnut> it's the fault manager
[07:56:51] <jmcp> fmd?
[07:56:52] <coraline> is it trying to calculate the precise value of pi?
[07:57:02] <gnut> jmcp: yeah. fmd.
[07:57:13] <gnut> [ Jul 24 19:45:56 Executing start method ("/usr/lib/fm/fmd/fmd") ]
[07:57:16] <jmcp> gnut: what build are you running?
[07:57:21] <gnut> build 65
[07:57:26] <gnut> i tried to live upgrade to build 68
[07:57:29] <gnut> but it wouldn't boot
[07:57:34] <gnut> so i rebooted into build 65
[07:57:42] <gnut> and now it won't boot into the login screen
[07:57:49] <jmcp> why wouldn't 68 boot?
[07:58:02] <gnut> dunno. it just rebooted. never even got to the GRUB screen.
[07:58:05] <coraline> because 789
[07:58:07] <gnut> auto reboot.
[07:58:22] <coraline>  /obscure
[07:59:27] <gnut> svcadm enable system/fmd doesn't force it to run either.
[07:59:43] <gnut> i'm stuck at this "start method is running." hangup.
[07:59:47] <trygvis> how heavy would a shipping ready ultra 80 be_
[07:59:49] <trygvis> ?
[08:00:11] <ShanghaiScott> trygvis: very heavy. like 70lbs or more
[08:00:33] <gnut> hmm
[08:00:50] <trygvis> still half the price of what ebay said it would cost
[08:00:59] <gnut> weirdness... /var/svc/log has a HUGE log file for zones... that must be it... but i don't have any zones configured
[08:01:02] <gnut> i used to, but not anymore.
[08:01:27] <ShanghaiScott> but you'll find the ultra80 with 4 CPU and 4GB of RAM is a fun toy, so it's worth it :-)
[08:01:37] <gnut> can i svcadm disable -t zones? or will that cause any major breakage?
[08:02:00] * joejaxx is so happy the Open Group is thinking about open sourcing CDE :)
[08:02:11] <trygvis> ShanghaiScott: I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-Ultra-80-Quad-450Mhz-4GB-2x-18-2GB-DVD-Solaris-10_W0QQitemZ130135639669QQihZ003QQcategoryZ20328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[08:02:12] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2wszzo
[08:02:31] <trygvis> but it will cost $260 to buy and $600 to ship :`(
[08:02:46] <joejaxx> trygvis: nice sun box
[08:03:23] <jmcp> gnut: you should really try to get to the bottom of your snv_68 boot failure. i think it's a fair assumption that fmd is having problems with the difference between 65 and 68
[08:03:24] <ShanghaiScott> that shipping cost is insane
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[08:05:01] <gnut> jmcp: hmm... how can I even get to that point for b68 since it won't even let me type anything. (oh... i was mistaken. it did get past the GRUB screen)...
[08:05:31] <jmcp> add "-kv" to your kernel line in the grub menu option, then see what you dropped at
[08:05:34] <gnut> jmcp: when I hit enter for the nv68 option, it reboots right away. the same goes for the nv68 failsafe option. even if i modify  the lines to include -kv, it reboots.
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[08:07:57] <jmcp> do you get any output on the screen whatsoever?
[08:08:26] <gnut> no
[08:08:32] <gnut> well... i'll try to look at it again
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[08:08:54] <gnut> could it be that my nv65 was just messed up and live upgrade to nv68 carried over some of the messed up ness?
[08:09:30] <kito> gnut I was getting that earlier, turned out it didn't like the ps2 keyabor being plugged in (!), I replaced it with an usb keyboard and it proceeded as normal
[08:09:45] <kito> s/keyabor/keyboard/
[08:09:50] <gnut> kito: for nv 68? i have a USB keyboard and USB mouse.
[08:10:06] <kito> gnut yeah, nv-b68a
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[08:10:11] <WickedWicky> roar
[08:10:16] <kito> was doing the exact same thing
[08:10:19] <gnut> [ Jul 24 23:09:53 Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 106 ]
[08:10:19] <kito> reboot right after grub menu
[08:10:25] <gnut> kito: hmm... so what could it be for me?
[08:10:36] <gnut> should i just unplug my keyboard while it boots after i hit the enter button?
[08:10:39] <kito> gnut is this commodity x86 hardare?
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[08:10:47] <kito> hardware even
[08:10:48] <gnut> kito: yeah. dell precision 370 at work
[08:11:03] <kito> might try playing with the bios settings for the usb legacy emulation
[08:11:15] <gnut> okay. will do that when i get to work tomorrow.
[08:11:39] <kito> no idea if thats the problem or not, but mine was definielty not liking the keyboard
[08:11:42] <gnut> so how do i get it to stop trying to load zones.
[08:11:49] <jmcp> svcadm disable zones
[08:11:51] <gnut> svcadm disable -t system/zones only marks it to not load next time
[08:11:54] <gnut> but it's still trying now
[08:12:04] <gnut> jmcp: without the t?
[08:12:39] <jmcp> yeah
[08:13:20] <gnut> hmm... it's still trying
[08:13:33] <gnut> fmri         svc:/system/zones:default
[08:13:33] <gnut> name         Zones autoboot and graceful shutdown
[08:13:33] <gnut> enabled      false
[08:13:33] <gnut> state        online
[08:13:33] <gnut> next_state   disabled
[08:14:06] <kito> maybe halt all the zones first?
[08:14:20] <gnut> you mean the global zone?
[08:14:27] <gnut> i have no zones
[08:14:33] <kito> ahh sorry
[08:14:36] <kito> nm
[08:14:39] <gnut> i used to have a brandz zone a long time ago
[08:14:46] <gnut> maybe remnants of it are on the disk?
[08:15:35] <gnut> nope. /etc/zones/index only shows global
[08:18:30] * jmcp sods off to do some work
[08:20:07] * bda makes unhappy faces at Linux-centric code tests exploding into tiny pieces.
[08:20:21] <WickedWicky> have fun jmcp
[08:32:40] <WickedWicky> a question
[08:32:55] <WickedWicky> on all fora I see I should use the driver pci-ide with my silicon image 680
[08:33:03] <WickedWicky> but under /kernel/drv I dont see the pci-ide module, just ata
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[08:48:17] <solar-star> I think for ATI Radeon 1100 or so
[08:48:30] <solar-star> any suggestions
[08:49:11] 
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[08:51:50] <Tempt> Interesting: There's a fault visible from fmdump that didn't make it to syslog.
[08:51:59] <Tempt> looks like a correctable memory event
[08:52:17] <WickedWicky> I wish my brain had CRC checking
[08:52:37] <Tempt> heh.
[08:52:44] <Tempt> Error correction, not just checking.
[08:52:46] <gnut> anyone know how to fix incessant "method or service exit timed out. killing contract blah"
[08:53:51] <Tempt> find there service ; look at the logs; correct the problem that's annoying it.
[08:54:00] <WickedWicky> gnut: I got that message a lot when power management was trying to start up in combination with my HSDPA/UMTS PCMCIA card
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[08:54:27] <WickedWicky> or just lose your connection and still dont know what to do
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[08:54:49] <gnut> hmm
[08:54:51] <gnut> hi again.
[08:54:59] <WickedWicky> <Tempt> find there service ; look at the logs; correct the problem that's annoying it.
[08:55:00] <WickedWicky> <WickedWicky> gnut: I got that message a lot when power management was trying to start up in combination with my HSDPA/UMTS PCMCIA card
[08:56:57] <gnut> WickedWicky: how did you fix it?
[08:57:04] <WickedWicky> I took the PCMCIA card out
[08:57:41] <gnut> WickedWicky: hmm...
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[08:58:21] <gnut> looking at the timestamps... there are three logs that are growing... system-console-login, application-graphical-login-cde-login, system-zones
[08:58:45] <gnut> all three of those have the annoying killing contract thing.
[08:58:57] <gnut> it booted before. something must have broke.
[08:59:20] <WickedWicky> apparently
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[09:00:34] <gnut> hehe
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[09:04:46] <gnut> just a quick side question... when they say boot to milestone none by typing "boot -m milestone=none", where do you type that?
[09:04:52] <gnut> on the GRUB line?
[09:05:29] <jmcp> yes
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[09:06:48] <gnut> jmcp: thanks
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[09:07:18] <gnut> i'm trying to revert to a previous snapshot
[09:07:24] <gnut> i do svccfg
[09:07:27] <gnut> select zones
[09:07:28] <gnut> listsnap
[09:07:36] <gnut> and it says "instance not selected."
[09:07:38] <gnut> what does that mean?
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[09:09:28] <WickedWicky> ok, coffee time and then work
[09:09:31] <WickedWicky> catch ya all later
[09:09:38] <gnut> WickedWicky: thanks for your help
[09:09:45] <WickedWicky> anytime i can
[09:09:54] <WickedWicky> take care now
[09:10:06] <gnut> later
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[09:16:41] <gnut> hi
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[09:47:36] <tlabs> heya
[09:47:45] <tlabs> i have a small question about metadb
[09:48:06] <tlabs> 2x X4000's and 2x storeedge 3120's
[09:48:19] <tlabs> 2 disks failed, 1 on either store edge
[09:48:34] <tlabs> replaced both disks, 1st one sync's back ok
[09:49:01] <tlabs> 2nd one cant resync cos its mirrored partner just remains in a state of resync for 3 days
[09:49:41] <tlabs> is there any way of forcing the resync to terminate or check wether its ever gonna finish ?
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[09:50:59] <tlabs> e.g.  c6t10d0s0          0     No       Resyncing   Yes
[09:51:15] <tlabs> mirrored parnet is: c5t10d0s0          0     No      Last Erred   Yes
[09:51:29] <tlabs> the first disk is ok, but remains like that
[09:51:35] <tlabs> in resync state
[09:51:58] <tlabs> so i cant metareplace -e on the new disk to replace c5t10d0s0
[09:54:58] <tlabs> is there any fix for this?
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[10:31:09] <e^ipi> anyone know if one can use mplayer/mencoder with the win32codec pack to dump to an open-source friendly format?
[10:32:05] <e^ipi> i.e., if I had an extra x86 box kicking around and I needed to turn a wmv9 file in to an mpg so that it can play on everything under the sun?
[10:32:23] <g4lt-mordant> what win32codec pack?  ENOEXIST
[10:32:32] <e^ipi> ?
[10:32:42] <e^ipi> erm... what happened to them, then?
[10:32:43] <g4lt-mordant> they pulled it
[10:32:56] <g4lt-mordant> copyrights, IIRC
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[10:33:23] <e^ipi> okay... so what if they still existed somewhere... is it possible?
[10:34:04] <timsf> hi folks
[10:36:31] <e^ipi> i'm not sure if they just draw to the screen or if it used to allow you to redirect the video
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[10:38:46] <sickness> moning all
[10:39:15] <e^ipi> nevermind, found the answer
[10:39:17] <e^ipi> hi sickness
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[10:49:17] <quasi> morning
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[10:50:30] <e^ipi> oh, hey.. doesn't matter
[10:50:41] <e^ipi> fluendo's got wmv plugins for solaris
[10:50:47] <e^ipi> non-free, but they exist
[10:50:59] <e^ipi> neat
[10:51:25] <gdamore> hey john.  did you get paid from google yet?
[10:51:36] <e^ipi> yeah, I got the mid-term payment
[10:51:40] <gdamore> cool.
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[10:51:48] <e^ipi> and subsequently registered for classes
[10:51:59] <gdamore> btw, i'm in urgent need for code review for some eri.c driver fixes.
[10:52:07] <gdamore> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gdamore/eri-fix/
[10:52:40] <cmihai> e^ipi: what project were you working on again?
[10:52:56] <e^ipi> cmihai: libc_i18n rewrite
[10:53:01] <Fish> hello
[10:53:01] <cmihai> Cool.
[10:53:01] * g4lt-mordant gets the torches and rope ready if gdamore breaks eri
[10:53:14] <dlg> gdamore: whats cheerio?
[10:53:18] <cmihai> e^ipi: and yes, you can use ffmpeg or mencoder to re-encode stuff to ogg theora or whatever
[10:53:25] <gdamore> cheerio is the HME ethernet.
[10:53:30] <gdamore> RIO is the eri ethernet.
[10:53:51] <dlg> ah
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[10:53:59] <dlg> i thought hme was hme
[10:54:01] * dlg shrug
[10:54:12] <gdamore> g4lt-mordant: eri is busted kind of... suspend/resume, a vlan bug, and an ndd bug... the fixes are in the review.
[10:54:32] <gdamore> CHEERIO is HME on PCI.  FEPS is HME on SBus.
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[10:56:02] <g4lt-mordant> given that I figure that the eri suspend would be the least of the suspend-related worries on my SB100, not particularly interesting to me ;P
[10:56:31] <gdamore> SB100 should suspend find.
[10:56:44] <gdamore> anyway, the ndd fix is probably a bit more urgent.
[10:56:58] <gdamore> since you can't access ~any ndd parameters without the fix.
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[10:58:05] <gdamore> anyway, the review should take 5-10 minutes of time, and I'd be really really grateful.... I want to get this in the respin for the next SXDE.
[10:58:58] <e^ipi> can I just stamp "looks okay to me" on it, despite not having an eri card, or knowing a damned thing about GLDv3 ?
[10:59:43] <e^ipi> and then when it blows up change my name and disappear in to the sunset?
[10:59:46] <gdamore> nothing i have done in the fixes is GLDv3 specific.  and you don't need to test to review code.
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[11:06:38] <e^ipi> what's involved in doing a code review anyways?
[11:06:53] <e^ipi> it seems to be one of those things that you're just supposed to "know"
[11:07:22] <dinounix> hi, i'm trying to download sxde, but when i log into sun, i get a page telling me that i need to choose a download from the download center, which i already have done
[11:07:48] <damienc> e^ipi: read someone else's code to ensure that it makes sense. You can ask the author to explain parts that are unclear.
[11:07:56] <cmihai> dinounix: did you accept the license? And try using the Sun Download Manager (SDM). Just follow the link on OpenSolaris.org
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[11:08:27] <dinounix> i couldn't get a list of the downloads
[11:08:47] <dinounix> just a page telling me to select what to download
[11:09:02] <dinounix> and i followed the link from opensolaris.org
[11:09:03] <cmihai> http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/sol_ex_dvd/
[11:09:08] <cmihai> Get SXCE :-)
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[11:09:34] <cmihai> Anyway, just click that link, login, accept and select the checkboxes you want to download, click the VV sign and ussdm
[11:09:41] <cmihai> use sdm
[11:10:20] <dinounix> does sxce have the developer tools?
[11:10:38] <cmihai> Yes.
[11:10:41] <cmihai> dinounix: it's the same thing,.
[11:11:12] <cmihai> Just a newer snapshot.
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[11:26:09] <e^ipi> okie, way past my bedtime
[11:26:24] <e^ipi> i have to work in 6 hours
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[11:47:01] <cmihai> Hm.. JDS in SXCE 68 is very suicidal.
[11:47:16] <cmihai> Dies for no reason and won't login even after gnome-cleanup.
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[11:50:35] <cmihai> Ah, gnome-session core dumps.
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[11:57:32] <cmihai> truss seems to point at fc-cache.. great.
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[12:01:24] <cmihai> Ah, there we go, fixed... Damn fc-cache ;-]\
[12:03:01] <WickedWicky> damnit, I am sure I mounted my SD card on my laptop before.. but what /dev/ did I use :p
[12:03:24] <PerterB> "man fc-cache" on b62 is "interesting"... (comes out as one word per line)
[12:03:49] <PerterB> WickedWicky: rmformat -l ?
[12:04:22] <tomww> WickedWicky: no rmvolmgr active? maybe automounted into /media ... (just an idea)
[12:05:28] <WickedWicky> lemme see
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[12:06:34] <cmihai> "cfgadm -v" and "rmformat" will list them. Also type "mount", it may already be automounted like tomww pointed out (if it's formatted FAT32 or something, it should be).
[12:07:17] <WickedWicky> well, rmformat doesnt anymore, it just shows my DVD drive
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[12:07:47] <_fidel_> hello everzbodz
[12:07:52] <_fidel_> hello everybody
[12:08:10] <dme> qwertz is your friend.
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[12:08:21] <WickedWicky> ci bus 0x0008 cardnum 0x06 function 0x02: vendor 0x104c device 0x803b
[12:08:22] <WickedWicky>  Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)
[12:08:28] <WickedWicky> that's supposed to be the one
[12:08:34] <WickedWicky> lemme try something
[12:08:34] <WickedWicky> brb
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[13:38:46] <WickedWicky> ok this might sound weird but I need the on sources of nv64
[13:42:26] <WickedWicky> or actually, not.
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[13:48:50] <Tempt> http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/
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[13:49:57] <WickedWicky> looks neat
[13:49:59] <WickedWicky> gonna buy one?
[13:50:13] <Tempt> Sure.
[13:50:16] <Tempt> At that price? Why not?
[13:51:04] <WickedWicky> guess no reason :D
[13:51:22] <Tempt> Running OpenSolaris on it could be good.
[13:51:39] <trygvis> that is pretty much the same spec as an old dell I have here
[13:51:44] <Tempt> The hardware has been picked to run with the linux thing, so it won't be wierd and proprietary.
[13:52:28] <trygvis> is that VIA chip supported?
[13:52:42] <Tempt> Could be supported.
[13:52:49] <Tempt> If someone gets coding...
[13:52:52] <trygvis> :)
[13:52:59] <Tempt> Hang on, it's a linux targetted laptop.
[13:53:04] <Tempt> It'll have Xorg support.
[13:53:09] <WickedWicky> yea
[13:53:14] <WickedWicky> what about the ATA controller though?
[13:54:33] <Tempt> Who knows? I mean, if it's just a bog standard PCI IDE controller, it'll be supported.
[13:55:15] <WickedWicky> yea but what is standard?
[13:55:30] <WickedWicky> I thought Sil 680 was pretty standard but look at where I am now
[13:55:30] <cmn_err> i think now is where you notice how good ufs's fsck is:)
[13:56:43] <Tempt> Sil 680 is a SATA controller, right?
[13:56:46] <WickedWicky> nopes
[13:56:49] <WickedWicky> it's ATA
[13:56:51] <dlg> no, its PATA
[13:56:55] <WickedWicky> yesh
[13:57:04] <WickedWicky> and I flashed the firmware to a non-raid one
[13:57:07] <Tempt> Man, it's meant to sit on either 1f0 or 170 and use either irq 14 or 15.
[13:57:08] <WickedWicky> and still no luck
[13:57:14] <Tempt> That's PC hardware. FFS.
[13:57:28] <WickedWicky> yea so?
[13:57:33] <WickedWicky> opensolaris for x86
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[13:58:35] <Tempt> You know, IDE used to be simple.
[13:58:40] <WickedWicky> I know
[13:58:53] <WickedWicky> when people only had primary and secondary controllers
[13:58:56] <Tempt> There were two port ranges, two interrupts, and you only needed to get fancy if you needed fancy features.
[13:59:15] <Tempt> There were unofficial standards for another two controllers, and that was piss-easy to manage.
[13:59:32] <WickedWicky> lol, ya, I remember the IDE controllers on my old sound blaster
[13:59:45] <WickedWicky> some panasonic controller, sony and another one I believe
[14:00:34] <Tempt> That's the one.
[14:00:35] <WickedWicky> we could just go back to the MFM/RLL days
[14:00:44] <Tempt> I used to have a linux box with 8 IDE drives.
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[14:01:24] <Tempt> 4 controllers. Two on the motherboard (Mm, 486dx4-100), one on the soundcard, one on a crappy ISA card.
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[14:15:26] <PerterB> "Upgrading Solaris: 27% completed" (after almost two hours on a Netra X1 ;)
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[14:37:39] <Atomdrache> Hey, does anybody know how to check which locales are installed in SXCE?
[14:38:02] <cmihai> Atomdrache: pkginfo or grep WHATEVER /var/sadm/install/contents
[14:38:59] <gerard13> localeadm?
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[14:40:53] <Atomdrache> en_us.UTF-8 should be in there, yes?
[14:41:08] <Atomdrache> grep en_us.UTF-8 /var/sadm/install/contents doesn't yield anything.
[14:41:51] <cmihai> POSIX (C) should be installed by default.
[14:41:54] <Atomdrache> As for localeadm, it wants me to create a config file.  Should I tell it?
[14:42:01] <cmihai> eh?
[14:42:02] <Atomdrache> Yes, it's got the POSIX locale.
[14:42:09] <takahide> it's en_US.UTF-8
[14:42:14] <Atomdrache> You do not appear to have created a fresh config file since you began using this application. (, etc.)
[14:42:17] <cmihai> localeadm -l
[14:42:18] <Atomdrache> Ah.
[14:42:23] <Atomdrache> I did type localeadm -l
[14:42:26] <Atomdrache> It still gave me that.
[14:43:44] <Atomdrache> Hmm...grep gives back a lot of stuff when I properly capitalize the locale name.  Suppose that means it's there?  I'll try something.
[14:43:56] <cmihai> POSIX (C) should be there by default, there's nothing to worry about.
[14:44:23] <Atomdrache> Well, for some reason my compose key doesn't work.
[14:44:30] <Atomdrache> And I can't properly display unicode.
[14:44:45] <hile_> I don't think the compose key works in C?
[14:44:45] <Atomdrache> Or...whatever it is that makes a bunch of dots appear in irssi when somebody types funny characters.
[14:44:48] <cmihai> Did you check support for UTF-8 in your $TERM / TERMCAP?
[14:44:55] <cmihai> Or irssi for that matter?
[14:45:06] <Atomdrache> I enabled it in irssi, and in screen.
[14:45:13] <Atomdrache> How do I check termcap again?
[14:45:38] <cmihai> Look, if your irc client or TERMINAL don't support it, you won't see anything.
[14:45:38] <Atomdrache> (I will also add that the compose key does work when I log in with CDE.)
[14:45:48] <cmihai> Just paste stuff in the term
[14:45:49] <cmihai> see if that works
[14:46:25] <Atomdrache> Haven't really got anything to paste.
[14:46:44] <cmihai> google?
[14:47:33] <timsf> locale -a ?
[14:47:33] <Atomdrache> I had a funny feeling there was a simple solution to that.
[14:48:19] <Atomdrache> No en_US.UTF-8 in there.
[14:48:29] <Atomdrache> C, POSIX, some language-specific locales, and ISO somethingorother.
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[14:48:37] <Atomdrache> (err, iso)
[14:49:09] <Atomdrache> Pasting into terminal results in question marks.
[14:49:43] <Atomdrache> And how do I check for UTF-8 support in my termcap?  I don't remember how to mess with that.
[14:49:50] <cmihai> The TERM
[14:49:53] <cmihai> That's the problem
[14:50:01] <cmihai> Your gnome-terminal doesn't support UTF-8
[14:50:06] <cmihai> Hm.. try urxvt
[14:50:19] <timsf> rubbish - gnome-terminal does support UTF-8
[14:50:35] <Atomdrache> Know of a good place to get that?
[14:51:03] <Atomdrache> I've always had to compile urxvt from source, which seems to fail disastrously whenever I try to do it in Solaris.  I've got that to work exactly once, and that involved screwing with header files.
[14:52:36] <timsf> beating localeadm up to get it to add the UTF-8 support, then starting a new gnome-terminal in that locale,
[14:52:55] <Atomdrache> I'll try that.
[14:52:58] <timsf> would be a good place to start..
[14:53:09] <timsf> we had this yesterday on #opensolaris as well ...
[14:53:24] <timsf> Glad to hear localeadm is being rewritten (p.o.s that it is)
[14:53:29] <Atomdrache> Nice, it wants the install disc.  Would that be on the first disc image, you think?
[14:53:34] <cmihai> timsf: isn't it just a ksh script/
[14:53:38] <timsf> Yeah, it'll want all of it..
[14:53:43] <timsf> cmihai, yep.
[14:54:30] <timsf> (and that's the problem - it uses a static config file that's shipped with the os, but isn't updated :-/
[14:54:31] <timsf> )
[14:55:09] <timsf> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/i18n-discuss/2007-July/003354.html
[14:55:10] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2bbzqm
[14:55:30] <Atomdrache> Okay, it wants the path for the install image.
[14:55:35] * quasi kicks cmn_err - irritating bot
[14:55:47] <timsf> It'll want all of the CDs most likely...
[14:55:48] <Atomdrache> I'm guessing that's going to be like /cdrom/sol_ll_sparc or something like that?
[14:55:58] <Atomdrache> Well, I can't put 'em all in at once.
[14:56:03] <Atomdrache> Which one should I start with?
[14:56:04] <timsf> (serially)
[14:56:07] <timsf> cd1
[14:56:08] <Atomdrache> Okay.
[14:56:29] <Atomdrache> Well, it wants the path to the image.  Admittedly kind of a silly question, but where's the image, exactly?
[14:56:52] <timsf> Probably a pointer to the directory on the cdrom that includes "Solaris_11"
[14:57:07] <Atomdrache> /cdrom/sol_11_sparc?
[14:57:14] <Atomdrache> Would it be happy with that, you suppose?
[14:57:23] <timsf> I think so (not having the cdrom here, I can't tell you_
[14:57:24] <timsf> )
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[14:57:48] <Atomdrache> Well, this isn't "the" CD-ROM.  These are six burned images.  Should be the same, though.
[14:58:04] <timsf> yah.
[14:58:13] <Atomdrache> Okay, that worked.
[14:58:40] <Atomdrache> Inasmuch as it found the image.
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[15:00:07] <Atomdrache> It's being rather slow about it.  Hopefully I just have a slow drive.
[15:01:59] <WickedWicky> going for another test
[15:02:03] <WickedWicky> hasta la pasta
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[15:05:19] <Atomdrache> You're right, it does want 'em all.
[15:05:42] <Atomdrache> Guess that means it got done with the first.
[15:07:03] <timsf> Yep, as I said, localeadm is a bit of a dog.
[15:07:36] <Atomdrache> Looking at one of my Solaris 10 machines that has no such problems, locale -a returns all kinds of nice UTF-8 stuff.
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[15:07:48] <Atomdrache> I definitely need to do some funging and some tweaking on this one.
[15:08:48] <eboutilier> hdi
[15:09:04] <eboutilier> sorry, slipped
[15:12:03] <Atomdrache> Should setting up localeadm install all the available locales?
[15:12:28] <Atomdrache> Or, at least the ones I need?
[15:12:45] <Atomdrache> (/want out of vanity, etc.)
[15:13:54] <timsf> It'll install only the regions/locales you want
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[15:14:21] <timsf>  I think what you're doing now is just rebuilding the database that localeadm uses by pointing at the various CDs
[15:14:30] <Atomdrache> Oh.
[15:14:38] <Atomdrache> So that it knows which CD to ask me for when I tell it to add a locale?
[15:14:43] <timsf> the manpage is pretty good.
[15:14:55] <timsf> I'm not sure if it's that smart :-/
[15:16:35] <Atomdrache> I hope it doesn't do that every time I use localeadm, because my CD-ROM drive is slow.
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[15:19:02] <timsf> If you have space, it might be worthwhile creating a netinstall image from those cds...
[15:19:17] <Atomdrache> I do not.
[15:19:27] <Atomdrache> Not now, anyway.
[15:19:34] <Atomdrache> Well, I suppose I could make space.  It would just suck.
[15:19:39] <timsf> Know what you mean.
[15:20:12] <timsf> Alternatively you could dig into the implementation of localeadm and work out what it's doing...
[15:20:21] <timsf> (which defeats the point, I know)
[15:20:48] <Atomdrache> Actually, one problem I have right now is that his machine's root partition is 93% full.  A lot of it's /opt stuff, so I'd like to know if there's a not-bloody way of moving /opt to a partition that has space to hold it.
[15:21:08] <timsf> Yeah, move the stuff to somewhere with space,
[15:21:19] <timsf> then lofs mount /opt to that directory with space.
[15:21:25] <Atomdrache> lofs?
[15:21:25] <nachox> move it to another partition and mount it as /opt
[15:21:57] <Atomdrache> There's a second disk with a big ZFS partition I use for storage.  Would I have to repartition that, or could I just put an /opt in there somewhere and somehow mount that?
[15:21:58] <timsf> man lofs
[15:22:08] <timsf> Even better!
[15:22:20] <Atomdrache> I could consult a manpage.  I just wanted to know if you had a more concise answer :3
[15:22:21] <timsf> zfs set mountpoint=/opt/csw space/csw
[15:22:24] <timsf> for example...
[15:22:29] <timsf> no need for lofs in that case.
[15:22:34] <nachox> that is better
[15:22:47] <Atomdrache> Ah.  So do I not need to repartition that disk to move /opt to it?
[15:23:04] <nachox> wait, wasnt there something important about /opt in zfs and lu?
[15:23:10] <timsf> nope, once you've got a pool in ZFS, your days of repartitioning are over.
[15:23:15] <Atomdrache> Oh.
[15:23:18] <Atomdrache> That's pretty cool.
[15:23:19] <sickness> well if for partition you intend a zfs create yourpool/opt
[15:23:32] <sickness> it's adviced to do so, in that way it will be more manageable in the future...
[15:23:39] <timsf> brb.
[15:23:50] <Atomdrache> I basically just put the whole disk under s0 and created a zpool.
[15:24:47] <Atomdrache> So I can just copy /opt to that and say set mountpoint=/opt (mount point of ZFS partition)/opt?  Or would it be different somehow?
[15:24:54] <Atomdrache> Or...mv /opt to that?
[15:25:43] <Atomdrache> Because currently the whole thing mounts to an existing directory (let's call it foo), and I have some things installed in directories beneath foo.
[15:25:49] <Atomdrache> Do I need to change that?
[15:25:58] <Tempt> Create your new fs
[15:26:00] <Tempt> (zfs)
[15:26:07] <Tempt> mv everything to the new location
[15:26:12] <Tempt> change the mountpoint to /opt
[15:26:13] <cmn_err> Tempt: that doesn't look right
[15:26:21] <Tempt> enjoy ...
[15:26:37] <Atomdrache> Except I already created the fs, and it uses that whole disk.
[15:26:40] <Atomdrache> And there are things installed there.
[15:26:43] <Tempt> That is, of course, assuming you've got a zpool available.
[15:26:53] <Atomdrache> It's the only zpool I have, currently.
[15:27:14] <Tempt> Fire up a Sun Shared Shell and we'll have a look-see.
[15:27:25] <Atomdrache> Eh?  How do I do that?
[15:27:31] <sickness> lol
[15:27:31] <Tempt> http://www.sun.com/123
[15:27:39] <sickness> does such thing exist? :)
[15:28:02] <quasi> yes it does
[15:28:29] <sickness> cool :)
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[15:28:49] <Atomdrache> That's kind of nice.
[15:29:21] <quasi> screen can work as a shared shell as well
[15:29:21] <Atomdrache> Okay, now what do I do with this thing?
[15:30:10] <sickness> anyway I'd go for 1) zfs create yourpool/opt  2) mv /opt/* /yourpool/opt/  3) rm -rf /opt  4) zfs set mountpoint=/opt yourpool/opt
[15:30:34] <Atomdrache> sickness: The zpool is already there, and there isn't space to make another, unless I misunderstand how they work.
[15:30:55] <Tempt> Does the pool have enough free space for your new /opt filesystem?
[15:30:56] <Atomdrache> There is no space that is not assigned to an existing partition with stuff in it.
[15:31:00] <Atomdrache> It does.
[15:31:10] <Atomdrache> I want to know how to use that to put /opt there.
[15:31:12] <Tempt> You can create as many filesystems as you like on there
[15:31:14] <sickness> Atomdrache: that's ok, you don't need to create another zpool, just another zfs filesystem on it (and that comes for free)
[15:31:17] <Atomdrache> Oh.
[15:31:18] <Tempt> Well, within RAM limits.
[15:31:21] <Tempt> try it.
[15:31:27] <Atomdrache> Yes.  But I have 4 GB RAM.
[15:31:28] <Tempt> zfs create your_pool_name/deleteme
[15:31:35] <Tempt> and watch it appears
[15:31:42] <Tempt> then zfs destroy your_pool_name/deleteme
[15:31:48] <Tempt> and watch it vanish
[15:31:57] <Atomdrache> One moment.  Changing CDs.
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[15:32:17] <sickness> yeah, zfs works at an higher level than zpool...
[15:33:17] <nachox> i think the freebsd guys can even create ufs filesystems in a zpool
[15:34:24] <Tempt> I think you can just create a zvol and then put whatever FS you want on it.
[15:35:41] <Atomdrache> All right, trying those four steps up there.
[15:35:59] <Atomdrache> Hopefully nothing goes awry :D
[15:36:02] <Stric> Tempt: although performance is not stellar.
[15:36:46] <Atomdrache> So if I do that, I'll have an /opt of variable size on the disk with more space?
[15:37:00] <Atomdrache> And it'll just expand as needed unless it runs out of space?
[15:37:26] <Tempt> Stric: Never had to use it, so no idea on performance.
[15:37:40] <Atomdrache> Okay, I am now annoyed with localeadm.
[15:37:44] <Atomdrache> I give it all six discs.
[15:38:02] <Atomdrache> Now it asks for the langcd image.  I'm not quite sure what that is, but I have some idea.  In any case, something I don't have.
[15:39:04] <Atomdrache> Also wow, I have a lot of crap in /opt.
[15:39:12] <Stric> langcd is probably the cd marked languages
[15:39:21] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I don't have that and never downloaded it.
[15:39:38] <Atomdrache> I downloaded the six disc images to install SXCE, and that's all I've got.
[15:39:54] <Atomdrache> So it looks like I better abort that mission for now.
[15:40:21] <Stric> localeadm is about having support for other languages..
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[15:41:03] <Atomdrache> And it should also be about enabling Unicode support, but en_US.UTF-8 doesn't show up with locale -a as it does on my Solaris 10 machine, which as Unicode support.
[15:41:14] <Atomdrache> And I never had to pull it off a language CD.
[15:41:18] <Atomdrache> It just came with Solaris.
[15:41:35] <Atomdrache> On a downloaded install CD image.
[15:41:37] <Stric> dunno about that one.
[15:41:42] <Atomdrache> Never had to mess around with localeadm.
[15:42:00] <Atomdrache> But the locales available on both of my SXCE machines are, well, anemic.
[15:42:14] <sickness> Atomdrache: yeah if you apply quotas, you have exactly an opt of variable size... well something like that :)
[15:42:46] <sickness> I nevere use locales, all ANSI (C) :P
[15:42:58] <Atomdrache> ...Crap in a hat.
[15:43:12] <Atomdrache> zfs set mountpoint=/opt /(name of pool)/opt gives me an error.
[15:43:24] <Atomdrache> Invalid dataset name.
[15:43:33] <Atomdrache> I just moved /opt and deleted the original. So...what do I do?
[15:43:48] <sickness> remove the / before name of pool
[15:43:49] <Tempt> did you do a zfs create (name of pool)/opt first?
[15:43:54] <Tempt> and drop the leading /
[15:43:59] <sickness> it was just name of pool
[15:44:04] <sickness> nameofpool/opt
[15:44:06] <sickness> no leading /
[15:44:14] <Atomdrache> Ah...
[15:44:19] <sickness> :)
[15:44:26] <Atomdrache> ....Sweet.
[15:44:29] <Atomdrache> It works.
[15:44:42] <sickness> :)
[15:44:50] <Atomdrache> And c0t0d0s0 is down to 76% capacity.  That's a nice thing to see.
[15:44:58] <Atomdrache> Man, I *like* this zfs stuff.
[15:45:20] <Tempt> The addictive nature of zfs ...
[15:45:39] <Atomdrache> I can see why some Linux people are pissed that it's under CDDL.
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[15:46:17] <Atomdrache> (unless that changed recently, which I doubt)
[15:47:07] <Atomdrache> Well, looks like localeadm's broken and I need some kind of language CD.
[15:47:08] <Atomdrache> Or...
[15:47:17] <Atomdrache> I could copy the stuff from my Solaris 10 system, conceivably.
[15:47:20] <Tempt> Nope, still under CDDL, and that's the way we like it.
[15:47:25] <Atomdrache> Does that sound like it'd work or like I'm asking for trouble?
[15:48:16] <Atomdrache> (I will agree, CDDL seems pretty reasonable, well...from what I've heard about it without actually, well, reading it.  I probably should.)
[15:48:29] <Tempt> CDDL is pretty close to the Mozilla license.
[15:48:43] <Atomdrache> That much I have heard.
[15:48:44] <Tempt> The BSD guys are already enjoying ZFS, Apple has ZFS working in test/dev
[15:49:40] <Atomdrache> Ah.
[15:49:59] <Atomdrache> So the Linux people are being held back by a stubborn refusal to go outside the GPL?
[15:50:06] <Tempt> Linux misses out because the GPL doesn't play nicely with other licenses.
[15:50:21] <movement> please, no license discussion... we have enough already...
[15:50:22] <Tempt> And the petty GPL politics is getting ugly.
[15:50:34] <Tempt> movement: But its ... funny!
[15:50:37] <Atomdrache> Sun doesn't like it as much, to my knowledge, because they do business with companies that want to use proprietary components, and using GPL would screw those guys.
[15:51:11] <Atomdrache> And it is a pragmatic decision to use an open-source license that lets you incorporate proprietary components.  A company has to do business because, well, its employees have to eat :3
[15:51:18] <movement> it's not funny, it's everywhere and very, very, tedious.
[15:51:28] <Atomdrache> I should probably
[15:51:31] <Atomdrache> read up on the drama.*
[15:51:32] <Tempt> Yep. For example, the Veritas products all need tight kernel integration.
[15:51:54] <Tempt> enough of that on-channel though
[15:52:01] <Atomdrache> Fair enough.
[15:52:06] <Atomdrache> Mostly I just need to go look the stuff up.
[15:52:24] <Cyrille> be sure to pick a side and proclaim the other one evil.
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[15:52:50] <Atomdrache> I try carefully to avoid that.
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[15:54:20] <phips> folks, liveupdate in Sol 10 11/06 - I'm trying to create a BE that I can add snv too, but it's got very upset. I can't remove the duff BE, nor can I apparently do anything else. Is there a way to 'manually' remove BE's so that lustatus looks clean?
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[16:03:21] <WickedWicky> ..
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[16:04:04] <WickedWicky> I just read something... and if it is why I am still struggling with my sil 680 adapter then I'll start blushing so hard
[16:09:22] <Abe_Froman> url?
[16:09:46] <WickedWicky> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=9798&tstart=135
[16:09:47] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2jbfwb
[16:10:14] <WickedWicky> Did you run `fdisk /dev/rdsk/c#d#p0` on the disk(s)? You won't see them in `format` until you've partitioned them first in `fdisk`; this applies only to the i86pc platform.
[16:10:16] <WickedWicky> so
[16:10:38] <Abe_Froman> haha
[16:10:38] <WickedWicky> stupid patrick (me) is typing format as if his life depends on it, gets all sad cause he doesnt see his disks
[16:10:47] <WickedWicky> but, *gasp* there is a linux partition on those disks
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[16:13:54] <WickedWicky> I actually read that article like, 50 times last days but only now this "fdisk" phrase comes to me
[16:14:27] <Atomdrache> My not knowing how to use fdisk is one reason I hope ZFS gets more popular.
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[16:14:47] <Atomdrache> (well, I could *look up the man page* or something, but...the alternative is so much nicer.)
[16:14:51] <WickedWicky> AtomicDrache: I wanna use zfs on those disks
[16:15:00] <WickedWicky> but before that I'd really like to get my mp3s from those disks
[16:15:24] <Atomdrache> I'm relatively inexperienced with ZFS, I must admit, but just a little while ago some guys in here showed me how to just transplant my overstuffed /opt to a zpool to free up space on my root partition.
[16:15:39] <Atomdrache> It was *easy*.  I thought it would be some hideous ordeal.
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[16:16:41] <Atomdrache> One of the objectives behind ZFS was to make it easier in general to manage filesystems, and, well, I'd say it was successful.
[16:16:54] <WickedWicky> it is
[16:17:02] <WickedWicky> I use ZFS on my non-linux partitioned disks
[16:17:33] <Atomdrache> Ah.  But Linux doesn't have it, so you have to use the traditional methods.  I see.
[16:17:40] <WickedWicky> well no
[16:17:49] <WickedWicky> I whiped linux from my system and installed solaris
[16:17:54] <Atomdrache> Oh.
[16:18:06] <WickedWicky> I installed a software package which allows me to mount ext2fs/ntfs read-only
[16:18:18] <WickedWicky> so I mount a partition, copy the data to the zfs pool
[16:18:47] <WickedWicky> then unmount the linux partition, and add it to the zfs pool
[16:18:59] <WickedWicky> so slowly I am migrating from linux to solaris and extend my ZFS pool
[16:19:22] <Atomdrache> I am rather amazed that ZFS can just...absorb disks like an amoeba when you tell it to.
[16:20:09] <WickedWicky> well that's the charm, isnt it? no bothering with creating partitions and slices
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[16:20:15] <WickedWicky> just add a disk and add it to the pool
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[16:25:59] <Tempt> I've got a host at work with the ever growing zpool.
[16:26:14] <Tempt> Every time it fills up just feed it another LUN from the SAN and it gets bigger.
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[16:46:15] <jharr> On a sunfire v240 running opensolaris. I'm trying to hot-plug (insert) a disk, and it's not showing up in `cfgadm -al`
[16:46:18] <jharr> anything else I need to do?
[16:47:09] <loke> jharr: c240 doesn't support hotpluggin, does it?
[16:47:13] <loke> v240
[16:47:20] <jharr> yup
[16:47:24] <jharr> did it on another box a while ago
[16:47:30] <jharr> it has the trays infront for it too
[16:47:34] <loke> just because you did it doesn't mean it works
[16:47:50] <loke> I hotpluggen on a standard PC with normal SCSI back in 1995
[16:47:55] <loke> hotplugged
[16:48:02] <loke> worked a few times before all broke down :-)
[16:48:02] <jharr> It's a $10,000 Sun server. It supports hot plug.
[16:48:13] <loke> jharr: that's a cheap server
[16:48:17] <Tempt> jharr: devfsadm
[16:48:24] <dlg> jharr: devfsadm, or disks
[16:48:26] <Tempt> jharr: and you should cfgadm -c configure ...
[16:48:27] <jharr> thx Tempt
[16:48:46] <Tempt> The 240 will power up/down disks on the SCSI backplane based on a cfgadm -c configure/unconfigure
[16:49:00] <Stric> jharr: run devfsadm if you haven't had anything on that id before
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[16:53:22] <jharr> I've never actually plugged a drive into this particular bay before, so I'm not sure if it's on the same controller or not
[16:53:48] <Tempt> devfsadm will find it.
[16:53:55] <jharr> no arguments?
[16:54:11] <Stric> for verbose
[16:54:45] <jharr> It's not finding it.
[16:54:59] <jharr> I suspect it's on c3, (scsi-bus, connected, unconfigured)
[16:55:04] <jharr> but I can't know for sure.
[16:55:20] <jharr> I've tried configuring c3, but no success.
[16:55:32] <Tempt> Is the little light on?
[16:55:50] <jharr> lemme run down and check (brb, 3 floors, different wing)
[16:55:59] <jharr> yay screen!
[16:56:10] <Tempt> Yay screen indeed.
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[16:57:58] <_mary_kate_> hmm, does the vanity naming for interfaces mean my zone's interfaces can be named bge0:a-zone instead of bge0:1? :)
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[17:02:21] <jharr> well, no lights, but even with the other v240's, none of the active hdds have lights on them (only activity lights)
[17:02:51] <Tempt> Can usually see the light on the actual disk shining
[17:03:01] <Tempt> Anyway, I'd pull it, make sure it's seated.
[17:03:07] <Tempt> And make sure picld is running.
[17:05:30] <jharr> I have an idea as to what might be the problem. bays 0-1 might be hooked up to c1, but 2-3 might not.
[17:05:37] <jharr> might not be hooked up at all.
[17:06:12] <jharr> c3 is still showing up as connected, but unconfigured.
[17:07:22] <jharr> hrmm, well, I can retask a disk that's in the machine for now and figure this out later. Other things need to get done first...
[17:07:25] <jharr> Thanks for your help
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[17:08:13] <Tempt> Hmm
[17:08:26] <Tempt> As far as I can remember, all the internal bays on a V240 are on the same controller.
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[17:08:51] <Tempt> The port on the back of the machine is a seperate controller port, thus your "c3"
[17:09:30] <deather> hello - i'm trying to build the latest ON sources (on SXCE b57 BFU'ed today), and I noticed with ptree that `nightly' runs both GCC and Sun Studio. Any idea why?
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[17:12:25] <jharr> Tempt: I'm kind of in an odd situation right now. When that machine was initially setup, no one here knew solaris (yay boss for throwing money at a problem), so none of us setup raid1 between the disks
[17:12:37] <jharr> Tempt: we just formatted it and setup rsync to run nightly
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[17:12:59] <Tempt> And so you want to add two more disks to get some redundancy?
[17:13:08] <jharr> Tempt: yes...
[17:13:44] <jharr> I was going to retask the disk from another, untasked v240 to mirror, then swap out the one we setup for rsync.
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[17:14:18] <jharr> but I guess I can just backup the data, axe the disk and set it up from there.
[17:14:31] <Tempt> So your current layout is disk0=root+whatever, disk1=rsync'd copy of disk0?
[17:14:31] <jharr> I'll figure this problem out on the other v240 when we set it up :)
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[17:15:27] <jharr> Tempt: btw, dmesg showed nothing and picld had been running the entire time.
[17:20:51] <Tempt> That's odd.
[17:21:02] <Tempt> I'd check prtdiag -v and try a cfgm -c configure c2
[17:21:05] <Tempt> cfgadm*
[17:21:08] <trygvis> gnu find has a -maxdepth funtion, is there a way to do the same on solaris?
[17:21:28] <Tempt> Otherwise, schedule an outage and probe-scsi from the OBP and see if something is going wrong ...
[17:22:43] <Atomdrache> I find a lot of stuff out just with setenv diag-switch? true and a serial terminal.
[17:23:07] <Atomdrache> Though...not sure about fixing SCSI problems.  I hear those are notoriously scuzzy.
[17:23:55] <Tempt> probe-scsi-all
[17:24:07] <Tempt> That'll get the OBP to report all disks on all controllers
[17:24:21] <Tempt> There's lots of little probe commands
[17:24:57] <Tempt> Don't ever forget the OBP will help you find commands.
[17:25:16] <Atomdrache> That E450 with the missing processor?  OBP had been told not to probe that slot.  Somebody saw that, fixed it, and it worked again.  I'd call that a nice example of OBP's utility.
[17:25:32] <Tempt> Discovered "sifting" yet?
[17:25:40] <Atomdrache> Forgot which menu reported that configuration mishap.
[17:25:43] <Atomdrache> No, I haven't.
[17:26:15] <Tempt> Next time you're at the OBP, type (for example) "sifting probe"
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[17:27:06] <Tempt> anyway, time to sleep(1) for me
[17:27:15] <Stric> so now you're done
[17:28:35] <Tempt> done?
[17:29:52] <Stric> with your 1 second sleep ;)
[17:30:12] * Atomdrache is curious to test that; turns on SS630MP, presses hardwired break button.
[17:30:20] <Tempt> That wasn't a parameter; that was a reference to the manual section for sleep.
[17:30:25] <Atomdrache> (boot device *nothing*, you failed kernel)
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[17:31:47] <Atomdrache> Nifty.
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[17:47:11] <Reidms-420R> Is OpenSolaris CE secure enough to use as a server?
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[17:48:28] <Atomdrache> I'm kind of uninformed, but I'd think that depends on how well you bolt it down.
[17:49:40] <jharr> I seem to recall modifying the label on a disk while it had mounted partitions (the partitions I'm modifying aren't mounted), but format isn't letting me this time.
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[17:59:10] <tomww> jharr: NOINUSE_CHECK=1 format
[17:59:28] <tomww> jharr: I'm shour you know what you are formatting :-)
[17:59:55] <jharr> tomww: if I don't modify in-use volumes, is it safe to use them after a format, or do I need a reboot for solaris to recognize the changed lable?
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[18:15:51] <jharr> tomww: hrmm
[18:15:53] <jharr> that didn't work.
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[18:21:31] <pizdec> you should not need reboot
[18:21:44] <jharr> it was still complaining about mounted partitions
[18:22:27] <jharr> that's ok, I'll create the mirror first, delete the first drive, then reformat the first drive after I delete it from the mirror.
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[18:23:01] <reflect> I have a question about OpenSolaris' swap policy..  a long time ago, the policy was that rarely used segments in RAM would be swapped out to disk.. has that policy changed?
[18:23:24] <reflect> (the policy of Solaris some 5 years ago or so was like that, anyway)
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[18:27:42] <PerterB> if a page is inactive, then it's a candidate to being paged out (not swapped) if anything else wants memory (eg the buffer cache)
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[18:28:18] <PerterB> but I'm pretty sure there's nothing like the old sunos policy of swapping out an entire process if it has been asleep for a long time
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[18:29:31] <reflect> candidate to be paged out.. but unless it is needed, it will keep everything in RAM and be happy with that?
[18:29:40] <PerterB> right
[18:29:45] <reflect> thank you, most helpful
[18:30:16] <reflect> ought to mean that if you have enough RAM, having a swap space isn't that crucial
[18:31:02] <PerterB> if you know you memory requirements in advance :)
[18:31:29] <reflect> for this, I do :)
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[18:34:06] <PerterB> there's a good chapter on this in vol2 of the new internals book (because I always forget the difference between reserved and allocated swap) but I don't have it to hand
[18:35:22] <reflect> is this available in digital format?
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[18:35:44] <trygvis> nope
[18:35:52] <trygvis> but that is the one I have at home
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[18:36:09] <PerterB> reflect: just buy it, it's well worth the money :)
[18:36:36] <reflect> yes, but I want it _now_ :)
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[19:12:58] <brandon_> anyone know how the PPC port of solaris is progressing?
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[19:13:53] <brandon_> i've got a mac cluster that i'd like to put it on within a year, though i'd prefer anything (BSD, Linux) over OS X
[19:14:09] <brandon_> it has been an admin nightmare since i "inherited" that system
[19:14:23] <Lectus> how to configure a PPPoE connection on opensolaris?
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[19:18:10] <RElling> Lectus: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4555/6maoquij9?l=en&a=view&q=pppoe
[19:18:11] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2xvmq9
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[19:32:50] <gnut> hello all
[19:32:57] <gnut> my computer at work just worked again.
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[19:55:09] <WickedWicky> YES YES YES YES!! I Have my Sil 680 working!
[19:55:10] <WickedWicky> \\o
[19:55:10] <WickedWicky> o//
[20:00:35] <CIA-26> lling: 6541114 GRUB/ZFS fails to load files from a default compressed (lzjb) root, Contributed by Juergen Keil
[20:00:36] <CIA-26> marks: 6584644 libzfs.h uses libuutil.h which is not shipped as part of Solaris
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[20:17:05] <duri> in vmware VI 3.x I have a Solaris 10/intel client vm. I have added a second virtual disk to the vm config but solaris does not see it. what commands in addition to 'format' could I use to find the additional disk ?
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[20:29:39] <duri>  svcadm restart svc:/system/device/local:default ... that did the trick . now with format I can see the additional disk I added to the vm config
[20:33:54] <WickedWicky> next time try devfsadm
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[20:44:53] <mlo> Apreciating pointers to two things: a driver for highpoint rocketraid 4port SATA cards, and a manual on how SATA hotplugging is supposed to work with Solaris -- can i just pull the disk ?
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[20:53:15] <WickedWicky> guys
[20:53:18] <WickedWicky> I love you
[20:53:29] * WickedWicky has all his ATA hard disks back
[20:53:58] * m0le loves wickedwicky for all his help he has provided
[20:55:50] <WickedWicky> so
[20:55:51] <trygvis> I don't get this .. doing this grep with this expression ".* .*pkg" take ... forever
[20:56:07] <WickedWicky> what I did is: I flashed the BIOS acordingly to the websites mentioned
[20:56:19] <WickedWicky> and then did a: eeprom pci-ide=1095,680"
[20:56:22] <WickedWicky> touch /reconfigure
[20:56:23] <WickedWicky> reboot
[20:56:26] <WickedWicky> and there
[20:57:13] <WickedWicky> trygvis: why do you do .* ?
[20:57:32] <WickedWicky> you want everything that ends with pkg?
[20:57:50] <WickedWicky> why not use grep pkg$ <file to grep on>
[20:58:06] <trygvis> no, I want to make sure that there is at least one space in the line
[20:58:10] <WickedWicky> that is, if your grep understands regex
[20:59:00] <jpipkin> grep ' *pkg'
[20:59:27] <trygvis> no, that will be one or more spaces before pkg
[20:59:37] <trygvis> "aaa aaapkgaaa" is ok
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[20:59:58] <jpipkin> grep '[a-z0-9] *pkg
[21:00:00] <jpipkin> '
[21:00:43] <trygvis> " .*pkg" would be the same
[21:00:44] <jpipkin> doesn't matter, there are several ways to do it, including yours
[21:00:54] <WickedWicky> or make it a bit more expensive grep, grep pkg <file> | grep " "
[21:01:17] <trygvis> " .*pkg" is way faster
[21:01:25] <trygvis> still I'm surprised how slow it was
[21:01:55] <trygvis> I think I need to use a proper database for this :)
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[21:05:16] <hile_> hey delewis
[21:05:34] <delewis> hey, hile_
[21:06:42] <_mary_kate_> delewis: how do you go about resetting the root password on AIX?  (someone i know is wondering :)
[21:07:08] <delewis> the same way you reset a root password on any UNIX system.
[21:07:11] <hile_> boot from media, from SMS choose recover  volume group or something like that
[21:07:16] <hile_> then fix it :)
[21:07:47] <_mary_kate_> delewis: what, turning it on and selecting "Solaris failsafe" from grub?  not sure that'll work..
[21:07:56] <_mary_kate_> hile_: thanks
[21:08:18] <hile_> the way that works most everywhere is "boot from media"
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[21:09:55] <WickedWicky> _mary_kate_: smitty?
[21:10:13] <theRealballchalk> hi
[21:10:46] <WickedWicky> smit, actually, that's the admin tool name for AIX if I recall correctly, it's been 5 years ago :P
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[21:14:17] <kito> to mirror or raidz, life has too many choices
[21:15:29] <delewis> smitty pre-dates smit.
[21:16:10] <delewis> smitty runs in a terminal, whereas if DISPLAY is set smit will run the graphical smitty. (if not, it executes smitty)
[21:16:27] <delewis> so unless you want to see a running guy fall flat on his face when filesets fail to install, don't use smit.
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[21:19:16] <WickedWicky> delewis: it's been a long long time since I used AIX, we had IBM servers at the ING bank where i used to work
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[21:29:31] <tomww> WickedWicky: you flashe dthe non-raid bios, right?
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[21:31:04] <WickedWicky> tomww yep!
[21:31:34] <WickedWicky> I used two sites to fix it
[21:31:36] <WickedWicky> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=9798&tstart=135
[21:31:37] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2jbfwb
[21:31:44] <WickedWicky> which pointed me to the BIOS
[21:31:51] <WickedWicky> http://72.198.16.43:8085/~nfsv4/
[21:31:54] <WickedWicky> for the eeprom thingy
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[21:35:01] <tomww> so you can be happy to have a controller with flashable BIOS. I tried to take a friend of mine to solaris, but he bought a cheap controller with fixed BIOS, so he is stuck in raid mode ...
[21:35:19] <WickedWicky> oh no :(
[21:35:47] <WickedWicky> well dunno how far you are from the dutch border
[21:36:13] <WickedWicky> but when you have a chance to go to .nl, try to buy an ATA controller from the brand "Sweex"
[21:36:15] <tomww> i had one 680 in spare (worked with non-raid bios), but I think he is too lasz to learn a new OS: Linux seems to be the one until he dies :-)
[21:36:23] <WickedWicky> they contain the flashable sil680 bios
[21:36:32] <WickedWicky> oh, ok
[21:36:46] <tomww> I had one dawicontrol (germany) :-)
[21:37:18] <WickedWicky> yea, that's why I asked how far you are from the dutch border, your hostname kinda gives away you're in germany ;-)
[21:38:05] <tomww> now I'm using a dawicontrol dc-4300 (pci-e but in a normal s pci slot) and two dc-310e (pci-x) to play a bit and see the 1-lanx pci-x and pci-normalsaturized with arounf 100MB/sec transfers
[21:38:36] <tomww> right. nearby the highest church tower of the world
[21:38:37] <WickedWicky> well, giving the prices of current SATA controllers I'd buy SATA anyway if I had to buy something new
[21:38:57] <WickedWicky> but it would be a pitty if I had to throw out all my current PATA disks if they still function properly
[21:39:17] <tomww> i like the hot-plug. it works nicely with nevada. just plug it in and it magically appears
[21:40:33] * tomww goes burning his very first belenix live-CD
[21:40:48] <WickedWicky> haha, good luck
[21:41:04] <WickedWicky> I am going for my next mission: find out why my ethernet is using dhcp while i configure it to use a static address
[21:41:55] <tomww> you have the nwam service enabled?
[21:43:09] <WickedWicky> yea
[21:43:10] <WickedWicky> it's online
[21:43:23] <tomww> so, you are the lucky auto-config type of user :-)
[21:43:28] <WickedWicky> but how is that related? WHen I use this gnome network configurator and tell it to use a static address and all
[21:43:30] <tomww> I would disable nwam
[21:43:50] <tomww> gnome does not know about nwam at this conig dialogue I would sy
[21:43:52] <tomww> say
[21:44:13] <WickedWicky> well, if by auto-config user you mean that you edit /etc/hostname.rtls0, /etc/hosts , /etc/defaultrouter and touch /etc/norouter
[21:44:14] <WickedWicky> I guess
[21:44:15] <WickedWicky> :P
[21:44:31] <WickedWicky> I see, that can cause some confusion..
[21:45:31] <oxygene> tomww: sometimes those dawi controllers have a jumper to disable the bios - it's not bootable, but "non-raid" then (was enough in some cases for me)
[21:46:03] <WickedWicky> hey
[21:46:06] <WickedWicky> thanks tomww :D
[21:46:13] <WickedWicky> dhcpagent is killed now as well
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[21:47:17] <tomww> :-) bbs
[21:47:34] <WickedWicky> ok, thanks again!
[22:02:40] <kito> Anyone know if I have a rootpool, that was created using slice syntax to get the proper label, do all attached mirrors have to also be slices, or can they be efi labeled whole disks?
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[22:04:33] <sommerfeld> kito: so, why would you want to mix slices and whole disks for a root pool given the current limitations on the root pool?
[22:05:06] <kito> to avoid messing with slices on the mirrors I suppose
[22:05:25] <kito> but I guess its rather pointless
[22:05:46] <sommerfeld> what does the additional mirror buy you?  you can't boot off of it so you still need a working "sliced" copy
[22:06:25] <kito> err, oh yeah
[22:06:36] <kito> sommerfeld thanks for talking me through stupidity!
[22:17:40] <WickedWicky> errrrrrrrrrrrrrrm
[22:17:46] <WickedWicky> can ZFS do large files?
[22:18:09] <tsoome> WickedWicky: man google
[22:18:24] <WickedWicky> cause I get a "File too large" when I do a cp of an iso from ext2fs to a zfs mount
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[22:19:00] <spiff> maybe your mount is too small :)
[22:19:00] <kito> I copy files >4GB to/from zfs quite frequently
[22:19:05] <tsoome> man truss?
[22:19:13] <Abe_Froman> No manual entry for google.
[22:19:18] <tsoome> and  see what syscall gets this error
[22:19:23] <tsoome> read or write
[22:20:35] <WickedWicky> lemme see
[22:20:52] <tsoome> afaik, cp is using mmap, but anyhow
[22:21:21] <WickedWicky> awesome, it might just be that it's this ext2fs module I use to mount the filesystem that's causing the problems
[22:21:31] <tsoome> ;)
[22:21:40] <tsoome> isnt that surprising;)
[22:21:41] <sommerfeld> that seemed like the more likely culprit
[22:21:44] <WickedWicky> cheers :D
[22:21:56] <WickedWicky> ah well! one pr0n DVD iso less!
[22:22:23] <WickedWicky> yea, it must be that, since the ext2fs mount is rendered inaccessible now
[22:22:53] <_mary_kate_> boot linux and apply split(1) :)
[22:23:33] <WickedWicky> yea, I could do that
[22:23:36] <WickedWicky> first priority: mp3s
[22:23:58] <tomww> WickedWicky: if you do a   cat file > /target/directory/file   what happens then?
[22:24:05] <WickedWicky> let's see
[22:24:09] <tomww> ah, from an ext2? then linux is yout nfs client?
[22:24:16] <WickedWicky> hm
[22:24:28] <WickedWicky> no, I mount ext2fs read-only from within nevada
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[22:24:38] <tomww> nfs on linux (oder ones) tend to fail badly on > 2GB files
[22:24:39] <t35t0r> anyone know if opensolaris works on ppc ?
[22:25:16] <oxygene> t35t0r: there's a project for it, but I think they just got the kernel to survive for the first few seconds
[22:25:21] <t35t0r> lol
[22:25:37] <t35t0r> well xsan sucks
[22:25:38] <tomww> cmn_err: help! have a spell checker? :-)
[22:25:39] <cmn_err> tomww: excuse me?
[22:25:45] <t35t0r> i need zfs
[22:25:48] <WickedWicky> I installed FSWfsminc to mount ext2
[22:25:56] <WickedWicky> FSWfsmisc, too
[22:26:53] <tomww> WickedWicky: hmmm... I don't know the implementation of the FSWfsminc...if this can do files grater 2GB... is there a special mountoption like "largefiles"?
[22:28:08] <WickedWicky> I dont think so
[22:28:21] <WickedWicky> this module seems to be derived from the mount_ntfs logic
[22:28:37] <WickedWicky> which uses a userland nfs server v2 to read raw blocks
[22:28:52] <WickedWicky> so you basicly put an nfs layer over your block device
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[22:30:30] <WickedWicky> it doesnt matter, it's just one iso I'll be missing, I can redownload it. as long as I can get the important data of this disk so I can later add it to the zfs pool
[22:32:56] <WickedWicky> I am trying to mount it using /dev/rdsk/ now instead of /dev/dsk , let's see what that does
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[22:34:03] <WickedWicky> now I feel really really old
[22:34:10] * WickedWicky is listening to Scooter - Kalinka
[22:34:12] <tomww> or you could boot linux the very last time .-) and use split 1800mb on the file...
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[22:34:43] <tomww> WickedWicky: you listen to mp3s on solaris?
[22:34:46] <WickedWicky> that'd require me trying to find my gentoo cd somewhere in my room
[22:34:49] <WickedWicky> yep, I do
[22:35:27] <_mary_kate_> that's not so weird, solaris even includes an mp3 player now ;-)
[22:35:39] <WickedWicky> yea
[22:35:46] <WickedWicky> I just have a struggle with the volume mixer
[22:35:51] <sommerfeld> tomww: i'm running slimserver on solaris for that
[22:36:19] <WickedWicky> the volume mixer is running but whatever I do, it stays on the same volume
[22:36:35] <_mary_kate_> maybe you lack write access to the mixer?
[22:36:56] <WickedWicky> I think that's exactly it, but it looks kinda bad to put the permissions to 777
[22:37:15] <_mary_kate_> /etc/minor_perm should do it
[22:37:28] <WickedWicky> ow, that's a good idea
[22:37:37] <WickedWicky> you're a star :D
[22:39:12] <tomww> sommerfeld: I'm a big fan of the couple mpd/gmpc :-) (I'll go spy on slimserver, be sure :-)
[22:39:35] <sommerfeld> it's tied to a particular thin-client MP3 player
[22:39:54] <sommerfeld> http://www.slimdevices.com/
[22:40:01] <sommerfeld> open-source all the way down to the device firmware
[22:41:27] <WickedWicky> see you all tomorrow, enjoy your day and/or evening :)
[22:41:57] <tomww> sommerfeld: you've been blogging about running slimserver on solaris, right?
[22:42:04] <coffman> where are the gnome/pidgin lovers?
[22:42:08] <coffman> http://www.thesamet.com/blog/2007/02/22/girlfriend-discovers-a-dos-vulnerability-in-gaim/
[22:42:08] <cmn_err> http://tinyurl.com/2blhg5
[22:42:17] <coffman> thats so not funny
[22:42:33] <tomww> coffman: girlfreidn or the dos?
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[22:44:40] <estibi> hi all
[22:45:05] <coffman> the dos, well i always say smileys are evil
[22:45:47] <FireflyST> hehe, I'm harassing Sun
[22:45:58] <FireflyST> I may buy me a U20 M2
[22:48:06] <tomww> FireflyST: don't wait ... go for it :-)
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[22:49:09] <FireflyST> lol
[22:49:16] <FireflyST> sun's online chat person is a moron
[22:49:27] <FireflyST> I asked her if the keyboard is PC or UNIX style and she tells me it's USB
[22:49:58] <pizdec> usb is good, bluetooth might be not suported :)
[22:50:15] <coffman> FireflyST: no, you are, i think you can choose it when you buy
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[22:52:40] <FireflyST> you can't
[22:52:48] <FireflyST> you just get country kit yes-or-no
[22:52:53] <FireflyST> I'm doing the 60 day trial
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[22:55:38] <sommerfeld> I don't think I've blogged about it.
[22:55:44] <sommerfeld> but I think others have
[22:57:38] <FireflyST> if this isn't the UNIX layout I'm going to not order the keyboard
[22:57:41] <richlowe> the different kits are different part numbers.
[22:58:08] <FireflyST> yeah, they don't give you a keyboard type option
[22:58:21] <FireflyST> if you were straight buying it you would get an option
[22:58:54] <tomww> I'm not sure if you can pluig in tometing else than a USB keyboard into a U20...
[22:59:24] <richlowe> the connector is unrelated (type7 are all usb)
[22:59:33] <richlowe> it's whether backspace and esc are in the right places. :)
[22:59:48] <_mary_kate_> hmm, maybe i should get a 60-day trial on a U20 while my laptop is being repaired
[22:59:51] <_mary_kate_> then send it back :)
[23:00:33] <CIA-26> sd210035: 6566028 MPxIO: add support to DS3200 and DS3400 arrays, 6566044 sd: add support to DS3200 and DS3400 arrays
[23:00:47] <tomww> sommerfeld: a yes, rama, warren, ThinkThin have blooged about slimserver :)
[23:01:56] <tomww> so I have no squeezebox, therefore I use this: sarine.nl/gmpc-solaris-build
[23:02:20] <sommerfeld> FireflyST: IMHO the main difference between PC and UNIX layout is control vs caps-lock location.  I deal with this by mapping caps lock to control with xmodmap at login time.
[23:02:39] <sommerfeld> the net result is that I now no longer care about the "PC layout" vs "UNIX layout"
[23:02:52] <sommerfeld> (I run without caps lock)
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[23:02:55] <FireflyST> yeah, but I want the stop and other keys for use with SPARC machines
[23:03:22] <FireflyST> Desiree Fowler: Please contact the Sun Store 800-786-0404
[23:03:28] <FireflyST> lol, I made her fail
[23:06:27] <Trisk[laptop]> FireflyST: asking for the keyboard model # should be sufficient
[23:06:55] <Auralis> sommerfeld: nah, a lot of others keys are different as well, which are much more important then the stupid capslock
[23:07:40] <FireflyST> still, she should have known what I was talking about
[23:08:08] <FireflyST> I get pissed when people direct me to links on a website that I just looked at
[23:08:28] <richlowe> US v. US/UNIX doesn't affect the presence of stop/again/props etc, I'm pretty sure.
[23:08:43] <FireflyST> who cares
[23:08:56] <FireflyST> I would be paying $50 for the country kit either way
[23:09:03] <FireflyST> if it's not what I want, then I won't buy one
[23:09:54] <FireflyST> Will the Sun x64 boxen take standard video cards as long as they are supported by Solaris?
[23:10:17] <alanc> US vs. US/Unix is CapsLock/Control, Esc/~ and one other I've forgotten - both have the left set of function keys
[23:10:33] <alanc> FireflyST: if you get one that fits the slot they have, yes
[23:10:50] <alanc> (i.e. PCI-E for Ultra 20/40, AGP for the W1100z/W2100z)
[23:11:27] <alanc> and assuming you don't buy such a monster video card that it blows past the available power from the power supply
[23:11:53] <FireflyST> nah
[23:12:00] <FireflyST> I'll be doing some light gaming is all
[23:14:04] <alanc> oh, and I think on the Type 7, the diamond/compose/alt graph keys swap order between PC & UNIX layouts, since the PC ones match the order on most Windows keyboards (where the keys are Windows/Menu/Alt)
[23:14:10] <FireflyST> this is going to replace my very old junk PC
[23:14:37] <_mary_kate_> alanc: the PC layout has Stop etc?
[23:14:42] <alanc> yes
[23:14:58] <_mary_kate_> that must confuse some users ;-D
[23:15:00] <FireflyST> do Sun's x64 boxes have the openboot prom?
[23:15:03] <_mary_kate_> no
[23:15:06] <alanc> no, PC BIOS
[23:15:16] <FireflyST> ok
[23:15:33] <FireflyST> the mobos are Sun though, right?
[23:15:41] <alanc> depends on the model
[23:15:47] <alanc> Ultra 20's are Tyan motherboards
[23:16:00] <alanc> don't remember what's in the 40
[23:16:23] <FireflyST> so what part of it is Sun? is there a quality control spec on the tyan boards or something?
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[23:16:52] <alanc> umm, the case...
[23:17:01] <_mary_kate_> i've found tyan boards to be pretty reasonable in general
[23:17:22] <alanc> (what do I know?  I'm just a software guy - no idea how the boxes are built)
[23:17:25] <RElling> FireflyST: yes there is a QA spec
[23:17:38] <FireflyST> ok
[23:18:12] <FireflyST> I'd be pissed if Sun had basically no say in it like what happened with IBM/Lenovo
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[23:18:58] <RElling> get  used to it, the #1, #2, and #3 computer manufacturers in the world do not have names you'd recognize
[23:19:20] <sommerfeld> u20 and u40 disks can be swapped without tools (spud brackets)
[23:19:43] <Abe_Froman> what sata controller is in the u20m2?  is it something supported under the sata framework?
[23:19:48] <_mary_kate_> i have a lenovo thinkpad, it's identical to the IBM one but it has a lenovo sticker on the bottom
[23:20:26] <FireflyST> they're taking all the IBM logos off the hardware after Beijing olypics in 2008 for some pro-China bullshit
[23:20:46] <_mary_kate_> well that seems reasonable, since they do own the brand now
[23:20:59] <FireflyST> I was under the impression IBM had some say in QA
[23:21:01] <_mary_kate_> iirc they only licensed the ibm logo for like five years anyway
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[23:28:55] <alanc> wow, gdamore can swat 4 bugs by changing just one file...
[23:32:15] <tomww> so the ratio is as: 4:1  :-)
[23:32:23] <tomww> next bet
[23:34:40] <jmcp_> Abe_Froman: I've got a u20m2 - it's the nvidia controller
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[23:34:52] <alanc> can probably get much higher when he tackles the ce driver
[23:36:06] <RElling> so when is nv_sata supposed to integrate?
[23:36:56] <jmcp_> not soon enough :(
[23:42:17] <gdamore> alanc: yeah, well, I *introduced* three of those bugs myself. :-(
[23:42:37] <_mary_kate_> bad gdamore, no cookie for you
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[23:42:38] <gdamore> so it doesn't really count.
[23:42:49] <gdamore> hey, i fixed one more bug than I introduced. :-/
[23:43:11] <gdamore> actually, i fixed *way* more than that... but that was a while ago.
[23:43:18] <gdamore> this is just fallout I'm fixing up.
[23:43:26] <tomww> so the ratio is -3 for gdamore :-)
[23:43:34] <tomww> or -1 ?
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[23:44:00] <gdamore> depends on how you count, i guess.
[23:44:25] <tomww> cmn_err: +3 -4
[23:45:10] <gdamore> anyway, its all good now, or it will be when snv_70 ships.
[23:45:23] <sommerfeld> gdamore: actually, I took a look at your change.  you lose style points for cut&paste
[23:45:30] <gdamore> for snv_68 and 69, eri's ndd support and suspend//resume support is busted.  sorry about that.
[23:45:39] <tomww> gdamore: thanks for fixing :-)
[23:45:42] <gdamore> which change?
[23:46:03] <sommerfeld> 6582429
[23:46:22] <alanc> the one with the comment about the Big Mac in the eri code?
[23:46:27] <gdamore> okay, so i was putting back code that i removed earlier.  turns out that the code i removed *is* necessary for suspend/resume.  i missed that code path.
[23:47:01] <gdamore> the fact that there are probably at least four functions that are called eri_init_rx_* probably is what confused me.
[23:47:04] <sommerfeld> big blob of code pasted into eri_init_macregs_generic is nearly identical to a block in eri_init_rx_channel
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[23:47:32] <gdamore> yes, it is.  but i couldn't just call eri_init_rx_channel for other reasons.
[23:47:50] <sommerfeld> refactor!
[23:47:54] <alanc> heh - was going through some of the Ruby-on-Rails tutorials a few weeks ago - they are militant about never having two copies of the same code
[23:47:55] <gdamore> its hideous.  but this was badly designed NSN code from the get go.  When I tried to clean it up I got bit in the ass.
[23:48:33] <gdamore> refactoring eri would be a much bigger task than just this one case.
[23:48:42] <gdamore> have you ever looked at the dvma logic in there... its gross.
[23:48:53] <sommerfeld> excuse me.  eri_init_rx
[23:49:00] <gdamore> *exactly*
[23:49:08] <alanc> come back to X - we have so many slightly different versions of the same code it's absolutely revolting
[23:49:11] <gdamore> eri_init_rx *mumble*  ... that's how I got confused.
[23:49:31] * gdamore was never a part of X. :-)
[23:49:47] <alanc> well, you worked on X stuff at Tadpole didn't you?
[23:50:02] <gdamore> yeah, well I don't talk about that in public.... :-)
[23:50:22] <gdamore> its actually kinda scary that my radeon bios parser might be used in X11...
[23:51:24] <gdamore> anyway at Tadpole I worked on pretty much everything... because the engineering team was so small we couldn't really have domain experts who only worked on portions of the system.
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[23:52:16] <_mary_kate_> hmm, ps -eafZ cuts off after the first 8 characters
[23:52:25] <_mary_kate_> all 12 of my zones are identical in the first 8 characters :)
[23:52:27] <gdamore> right now i'm loading up a new install so I can compare pref. of NSN's qfe driver with my GLDv3ified hme.
[23:52:32] <nachox> evening
[23:53:29] <gdamore> anyway sommerfeld, if you look at the original eri code, you'll find pretty much the same lines in there from solaris 2.8 :-)  my mistake was to try to remove them.
[23:55:11] <tomww> _mary_kate_: does ps -o zone,pid,fname,... help ?
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[23:55:49] <ircusr> hi all
[23:55:52] <_mary_kate_> tomww: yes, but i was hoping to not need to specify all that
[23:56:06] <ircusr> my opensolaris DVDs arrived today! yay!
[23:56:13] <tomww> blame the one who has chosen the zones-names ... :)
[23:56:46] <_mary_kate_> i thought it'd be more descriptive than st1, st2... :(
[23:58:27] <sommerfeld> gdamore: so the big style points loss goes to the original author
[23:59:43] <gdamore> yes, if you can find him.





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