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[00:13:12] <moazamraja> re all
[00:14:52] <moazamraja> how come 'df -h' and 'zfs list' show conflicting "Used" spoace amounts for a pool?
[00:15:23] <coffman> cause zfs knows more then df
[00:16:22] <moazamraja> oook..
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[00:16:52] <moazamraja> shouldn't that mean that 'df' on solaris 10 needs to be 'fixed'?
[00:18:05] <coffman> no
[00:18:20] <moazamraja> why?
[00:18:33] <coffman> *sigh
[00:18:34] <moazamraja> hehe
[00:18:40] <coffman> its late
[00:18:44] <coffman> read the specs
[00:18:49] <moazamraja> i c.
[00:19:09] <coffman> moazamraja: different kinds of things come in the play
[00:19:18] <coffman> like snapshots etc etc
[00:21:48] <moazamraja> well
[00:21:54] <moazamraja> i read some of this
[00:22:03] <moazamraja> but what confuses me is that zfs list shows more space used than df
[00:22:21] <moazamraja> new pool, create a 1gig file in it
[00:22:31] <moazamraja> df reports 363M used
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[00:22:47] <tomww> could be sparse files?
[00:22:55] <tomww> or, compression is on
[00:23:03] <moazamraja> ah, sparse...
[00:23:11] <moazamraja> mkfile 1g 1g ;)
[00:23:56] <tomww> yes :-)
[00:24:06] <moazamraja> tomww: you win the prize
[00:24:25] <moazamraja> too bad you're all the way in Deutschland and can't collect it ;)
[00:25:14] <coffman> some day you all get eatn by a komodo dragon
[00:25:47] <tomww> thank you very much :-)
[00:26:25] <coffman> tomww: not you
[00:26:28] <tomww> depends on the prize
[00:27:15] <tomww> coffman: hmm? does a komodo dragon differenciate on the nationality?!
[00:28:54] <moazamraja> ich bin en donut.
[00:29:02] <moazamraja> that's american for "i want a donut"
[00:29:03] <moazamraja> ;)
[00:29:04] <tomww> an OpenDragon should enjoy free choice of food
[00:29:11] <moazamraja> OpenDragon, haha
[00:30:20] <tomww> yes, carries a copy of GPLv3 in his heart for sure
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[00:37:02] <wesolows> I want a komodo dragon flavoured donut
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[00:38:49] <tomww> weslowes. really? :-)
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[00:40:20] <tomww> moazamraja: took some time to catch that one :-)
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[02:18:50] <Plaidrab> Considering the number of deadly virii and the like a komodo carries, It's a damned amusing analogy
[02:22:19] * Plaidrab dives back into Indiana land.
[02:22:46] <moazamraja> there is an indiana land?
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[02:28:32] <Plaidrab> Yup.
[02:29:09] <Plaidrab> I had no idea Ubuntu was the leading distro these days. Which seems to be the Indiana participants belief. Hmm
[02:29:22] <moazamraja> ubuntu has a lot of clout right now
[02:29:30] <moazamraja> for good reason
[02:29:35] <sickness> a lot of people thinks that
[02:29:37] <moazamraja> good desktop distro
[02:29:43] <Plaidrab> Oh, I have no doubt it's "up" there. Leading was a small surprise
[02:30:00] <moazamraja> ubuntu with opensolaris underpinnings would be nice
[02:30:27] <sickness> I'd prefer gentoo with opensolaris underpinnings =P
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[02:30:46] <Plaidrab> And thus you prove your nick is deserved, sickness. :)
[02:31:03] <Plaidrab> The only Ubuntu I've played with any is Mepis.
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[02:31:38] <Plaidrab> I wonder how these metrics are gathered. SUrely not something is unscientific as distrowatch?
[02:37:39] <moazamraja> well..
[02:39:49] <moazamraja> hrm, nevermind.
[02:40:51] <Plaidrab> Indeed
[02:41:13] <moazamraja> :P
[02:46:10] <Plaidrab> In any event, a modernized package system that behaves like Yum or apt-get is needed and it would be foolish not to have a gui layer on it similar top Pirut or whatever that thing in MEPIS was
[02:46:32] <moazamraja> a package system that doesn't take forever to install packages with
[02:49:17] <Plaidrab> It's never fast enough. You could have a package system that sent the instructions to install back in time so the packages were already in place before you decided you wanted them and folks would still complain.
[02:50:27] <moazamraja> no
[02:50:32] <moazamraja> that's b.s.
[02:50:43] <moazamraja> the solaris package system is very slow
[02:50:48] <moazamraja> enough to cause pain
[02:54:38] <Plaidrab> Eh. It's okay.
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[02:54:41] <Plaidrab> Patches, on the other hand.
[02:55:00] <moazamraja> that too
[02:55:12] <Plaidrab> 30 minutes to install OS and another 45+ for patches. Thank god for jumpstart.
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[02:58:48] * Plaidrab continues to be baffled by the folks that don't grasp why Indiana will (At least initially) default to Gnome. Sun has 8ish years of momentum there. um. Duh.
[02:58:50] <moazamraja> jumpstart is not useful for desktop installers
[02:58:53] * dclarke downloads on-src for snv_69
[02:59:09] <Plaidrab> Now that's a matter of environment, but, yes.
[02:59:28] <dclarke> are people actually using GNOME on the desktop ?
[02:59:36] <dclarke> It would be interesting to run a survey
[02:59:37] <moazamraja> I've seen comments on 'reviews' where ppl complain about the installer and some comment rips into the reviewer saying "You're obviously not a real admin, you should install via jumpstart!"
[03:00:05] <Plaidrab> I did until today ( though that's due to Fc6-F7 borkage I'm too lazy to fix. ) And that's what I use on the Sunrays at work.
[03:00:06] <moazamraja> so basically, to test out solaris, one would have to have another machine (solaris) already setup as a jumpstart server to get an install done
[03:00:16] <dclarke> linux works
[03:00:27] <dclarke> you just need a tftpd server and dhcpd and a few other things
[03:00:32] <moazamraja> either way
[03:00:33] <moazamraja> why ?
[03:00:44] <dclarke> for PXE boot you need dhcpd
[03:00:49] <Plaidrab> moaz: Oh, yeah, that's a silly response to give new solaris users.
[03:01:05] <moazamraja> if i'm doing a review of something, ESPECIALLY for a desktop environment, I'm not gonna do a jumpstart install
[03:01:09] <dclarke> but really .. a user should be able to install from a small installed on a USB thumbdisk thing
[03:01:17] <moazamraja> and it's exactly new users that indiana is trying to get, etc.
[03:01:36] <moazamraja> lets worry about just a clean easy fast install from DVD first
[03:01:47] <Plaidrab> You can install from FTP/http against the minimal installer. Set up a repos with a bunch of default flars...
[03:02:08] <dclarke> JET works also
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[03:03:11] <Plaidrab> We use JET at work. It's lucious. All it needs is a cool gui. :)
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[03:04:25] <Plaidrab> We build one template for each class of servers,  that installs the common features then makes a flar and sends it to the jumpstart server then a specific template for each host with it's distinct bits installed against that.
[03:05:06] <Plaidrab> Took some learning but we can fry our entire system and be back online within about 2 hours of racking new equip.
[03:05:35] <dclarke> yep .. JET does rock
[03:05:50] <Plaidrab> Most of that is after the jumpstart install and reboot times.
[03:06:27] <dclarke> you will have to pardon me .. I need to get a ON build going and then build samba
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[03:06:43] <dclarke> and possible build a small suspension brideg in my spare time
[03:07:15] <moazamraja> i need to buy/acquire another one of those Sun Blade 2000s
[03:07:30] <moazamraja> that was the best purchase i made in 2006
[03:07:39] <dclarke> hrmm .. I had a 2500
[03:07:49] <moazamraja> not as nice :P
[03:08:04] <dclarke> it was hellish cool but .. at 1.6GHz it was still no where near the speed of a Ultra 20 AMD Opteron box
[03:08:05] <moazamraja> i have a Ultra 20 at the office, but it has a bad 4th RAM slot :(
[03:08:16] <moazamraja> so I only have 3gigs of RAM, instead of 4
[03:08:20] <moazamraja> which ...just FEELS odd
[03:08:27] <dclarke> umm .. whta is soo cool about the Blade 2000 ?
[03:08:52] <dclarke> I mean .. key features etc
[03:09:08] <Plaidrab> Well, It's sexy purple.
[03:09:25] <dclarke> uh huh ..
[03:09:27] <moazamraja> internal FC-AL
[03:09:35] <moazamraja> external FC-AL
[03:09:40] <jamesd> dual  8MB l2 cache on 1.3ghz  sparcIII cpus.. and fc-al
[03:09:56] <Plaidrab> Do not underestimate the power of purple. :)
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[03:10:04] <moazamraja> 8MB external cache
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[03:10:25] <moazamraja> jamesd: hmm, aren't you the dude that was in the hospital for a while ?
[03:10:36] <jamesd> yeah
[03:10:49] <moazamraja> ah, good to have you back (tho you've been back for a while, i believe)
[03:11:06] <jamesd> yeah...   6 months now :-)
[03:11:17] <dclarke> talk about not being up on current events
[03:11:28] <dclarke> like dude ... its James Dickens
[03:11:37] <dclarke> practically the resident in this IRC chan
[03:11:52] <moazamraja> :P
[03:12:01] <moazamraja> i'm on here late in the evening nowadays
[03:12:12] <moazamraja> with a bunch of aussies, trying to figure out what they're saying
[03:12:20] <dclarke> my watch says its only 9:12 PM
[03:12:21] <Plaidrab> :)
[03:12:26] <dclarke> which may even be accurate
[03:12:47] <Plaidrab> I've a question about the Open Solaris flavor of grub
[03:12:50] <dclarke> I got my watch fixed finally
[03:13:04] <dclarke> you mean GRUB legacy
[03:13:21] <Plaidrab> Whatever is on the disk :)
[03:13:24] <moazamraja> 6:13 here
[03:13:24] <dclarke> its not GRUB 1.97 or what ever is in the GRUB subversion code these days
[03:13:37] <dclarke> in any case .. its old GRUB
[03:14:31] <Plaidrab> I'm currently funning FC6 and F7 on this AMD 64 box and I finally have a partition cleared. I know I need to use the OpenSolaris Grub, is it known itf it will play well with everything else as is or should I wait to find a free disk?
[03:15:11] <dclarke> umm .. you can do chain loading
[03:15:29] <dclarke> so .. when the machine boots and loads the boot sector .. what GRUB do you get ?
[03:15:30] <Plaidrab> Like I do for Windows. Ah. Okie
[03:15:37] <dclarke> you get GRUB from FC6 ?
[03:15:41] <Plaidrab> Yeah
[03:15:48] <dclarke> yeah .. exactly like that
[03:16:03] <dclarke> if you have done chainloading before .. you're all ready to plow forwards
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[03:16:12] <dclarke> you have losts of disk space cleared up ?
[03:16:26] <Plaidrab> I assume it will play well with being on these kind of partitions?
[03:16:27] <dclarke> Solaris 10 will need 10Gb to be comfortable
[03:16:32] <dclarke> and 32 GB to be real happy
[03:16:33] <Plaidrab> 40ish Gb
[03:16:46] <Plaidrab> I think. Better double check.
[03:16:55] <Plaidrab> Wow, that's tons bigger than the Sparc side
[03:17:04] <dclarke> that is a heck of an assumption .. what sort of disk label or partition is it ?
[03:17:11] <dclarke> DOS FAT or BSD or ?
[03:17:32] <dclarke> 32GB is an exaggeration
[03:18:26] <Plaidrab> Hm. F7's Fdisk doesn't say
[03:19:25] <dclarke> try parted
[03:20:20] <Plaidrab> Partition Table: msdos <- I'm guessing this means FAT
[03:20:27] <dclarke> yep
[03:20:32] <dclarke> easy to work with but limited
[03:20:46] <dclarke> so you have four partitions that are considered to be primary
[03:20:55] <dclarke> and then a potential for logical partitions
[03:21:04] <dclarke> don't even bother with logical partitions for now
[03:21:25] <dclarke> just hope you have a fourth primary partition that you can set to be a Solaris partition
[03:21:55] <Plaidrab> Actually, I was planning on reusing the secondary one for Solaris
[03:23:12] <Plaidrab> I could probably make it the whole disk, now that I think about it. Need to look at the contents of that disk. Might be moveable.
[03:23:30] <Plaidrab> Need to make a store run. Backn in a bit.
[03:23:33] <dclarke> well ... its worth while to just use a partition and see how it goes
[03:23:38] <dclarke> you can chainload
[03:23:49] <dclarke> gone to get smokes eh ?
[03:23:52] <dclarke> just quit
[03:24:43] <dclarke> curious question .. do we have the sources for the master boot program ?  /usr/lib/fs/ufs/mboot
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[03:52:52] <rbrown_> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070720210958.nxif5zgw&show_article=1?=fatty&image=large
[03:54:02] <ghmd> anyone know of an affordable way to use a large amount of SATA drives in opensolaris?
[03:54:25] <bda> Define affordable.
[03:54:44] <ghmd> controllers <$50/drive
[03:54:52] <ghmd> enclosure <$50/drive
[03:54:57] <moazamraja> nope.
[03:55:08] <moazamraja> 'large amount'... nope
[03:55:23] <bda> You can get a NORCO enclosure for ~700. 12 drives. Dunno about all that.
[03:55:32] <bda> Single PSU.
[03:55:37] <ghmd> yeah I saw that, but I don't know about the controllers..
[03:55:44] <ghmd> I guess that's the tough part
[03:55:44] <moazamraja> netapp storevault s500
[03:56:00] <bda> You'd probably have to replace the controller if you want any real performance out of it.
[03:56:27] <ghmd> I don't really want a RAID card
[03:56:46] <bda> No, you don't. ZFS. ;)
[03:57:00] <bda> I read a review for them where they did a minor amount of hackery and made it pretty neat.
[03:57:03] * bda looks.
[03:57:16] <bda> http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/norco/1220/
[03:57:23] <ghmd> but the only card I found that is supposed to work with solaris and the norco infiniband enclosure is an areca raid card
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[03:58:53] <moazamraja> do we finally have SATA cards that work with solaris?
[04:00:28] <jamesd> moazamraja, yes they are even listed on the hcl   at least for x86
[04:00:31] <moazamraja> i c
[04:00:32] <moazamraja> ok
[04:00:37] <moazamraja> any of em 'reasonably' priced?
[04:01:46] <ghmd> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/1511.html
[04:02:12] <ghmd> I believe the multiane version of that card works with the norco infiniband enclosure
[04:03:36] <moazamraja> I wonder if Sun will ever ship machines with built in eSATA external ports
[04:03:41] <moazamraja> asking a bit much, I suppose
[04:03:42] <ghmd> eSATA is overrated.
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[04:06:25] <jamesd> moazamraja, i'm just happy that the u40 can take 8x sata drives with an extra drive cage
[04:06:50] <moazamraja> extra drive cage? is that a sun part?
[04:07:36] <jamesd> yes
[04:08:44] <moazamraja> wow, i never knew
[04:08:45] <jamesd> The Sun Ultra 40 M2 workstation has eight internal drive bays. Seven drive bays are available for expansion. Second Drive Cage is required for more than four disk drives.
[04:10:24] <ghmd> if I'm reading this correctly, one infiniband cable will run 4 sata drives with 8gbit/sec which is pretty close to the 9.6gbit/sec max that three drives could theoretically use... compared to the 2.4 gbit you get with esata (with a port multiplier up to 5 drives)
[04:11:19] <moazamraja> any Sun boxes ship with infiniband on board?
[04:11:54] <jamesd> ghmd, do you know of any  sata drive that can  do better than 100MB/s?   i haven't seen many that will do even 75MB/s
[04:12:50] <jamesd> moazamraja, sun sells or at least  supports infiniband on x4600's ... sun is moving rapidly to get a 10gigE card to the market.
[04:13:01] <moazamraja> yeah, i've seen that
[04:13:13] <ghmd> jamesd: no.  but 5 drives doing 50 MB/s is 2.0GB/s
[04:13:44] <Doc> 5 x 50 = 2000
[04:13:53] <ghmd> er
[04:13:56] <ghmd> Gb
[04:14:03] <jamesd> ghmd, if you want lots of drives in one box  get a x4500, puts the controller on its own FSB controller.
[04:14:05] <ghmd> which is pretty close to 2.4.
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[04:14:13] <moazamraja> jamesd: *amen*
[04:14:39] <moazamraja> if Oracle supported it's DB on Solaris x86, that x4500 would be an awesome box for my needs
[04:14:48] <moazamraja> or i should say, my clients needs
[04:15:16] <Doc> umm..  "if" ?
[04:16:07] <Doc> http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2005_nov/solaris10.html
[04:16:15] <moazamraja> i believe the full enterprise release isnt supported yde
[04:16:19] <moazamraja> yet, even
[04:17:14] <moazamraja> hmm...
[04:19:20] <moazamraja> now that I'm looking at the oracle site, i can't find anything with specific details tho
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[04:25:06] <CSFrost> storage mumbo jumbo the topic this eve?
[04:25:07] * Plaidrab retoins.
[04:25:36] <moazamraja> i wonder if it's the Cluster option which is not supported?
[04:25:47] <Plaidrab> Actually, I don't smoke. My worst vice is Soda.
[04:26:18] <moazamraja> soda has made me (heavy) man I am today
[04:26:30] <moazamraja> me ^the^ ...even
[04:26:39] <CSFrost> cluster isn't supported on non-sun hardware
[04:26:52] <CSFrost> but on sun it should be still supported.
[04:26:53] <ghmd> I have successfully eliminated the need for soda
[04:27:46] <Plaidrab> : is only 20ish pounds heavier than high school, 12+ years later. Yay metabolism
[04:27:58] <hile_>  i don't drink caffeine, period
[04:28:14] <Plaidrab> See, I need caffiene to deal with coworkers.
[04:28:15] <CSFrost> soda probably made me the unhealthy man I am today.
[04:28:16] <ghmd> pills are 20-200x cheaper than soda.
[04:28:25] <ghmd> + much more convenient
[04:28:46] <ghmd> + no fat causing sugar or cancer causing (in rats) artificial sweeteners
[04:28:49] <CSFrost> I used to drink so much coffee, and mountain dew, that today caffeine just puts me to sleep
[04:29:24] <Plaidrab> I can't handle aspratame. Gives me headaches worse than being trapped in an elevator full of gleeclub morning people at 6 AM.
[04:29:32] <ghmd> asparatame gives me headaches as well
[04:29:51] <hile_> nah, just use exlax for the coworkers,,, spike their drinks
[04:29:52] <Plaidrab> And just tastes foul.
[04:30:08] <Plaidrab> hile_: Let's just say that would be unwise where I work.
[04:30:17] <CSFrost> I think I'd probably get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, a lot sooner then I would from soda..
[04:30:44] <ghmd> I think I'd start smoking before drinking soda regularly
[04:31:01] <Plaidrab> Thing #2 I miss about working in California. Smoke free resturants are the law.
[04:31:12] <ghmd> smokefree workplaces are the law where I live
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[04:31:29] <ghmd> they can't even have smoking areas inside buildings for employees...
[04:31:49] <Plaidrab> They aren't here. Not even resturants. Fortunately the worksite is.
[04:32:09] <ghmd> which I imagine makes the factory works pretty angry
[04:32:28] <CSFrost> same as places here in new york I believe, but you can't walk on the streets, or go to parks without inhaling the aweful stuff
[04:32:33] <Plaidrab> Onlye for a couple of years.
[04:32:57] <ghmd> because they have to walk 100 ft from the entrance to a place where they can smoke
[04:34:06] * Plaidrab sees a T1 105 as is for $40.
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[04:34:59] <Plaidrab> Hmm
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[04:40:34] <Plaidrab> Would it be reasonable to assume that Indiana's emphasis will be (intentionally or otherwise) X86* focused?
[04:41:11] <moazamraja> (yes)
[04:41:20] <moazamraja> but that's just my opinion :P
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[04:42:54] <Plaidrab> No so much a complaint as um. expected annoyance?
[04:44:33] <Plaidrab> It's not like I have any real rational idea (PURPLE!) for prefering SPARC. :)
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[04:54:52] <moazamraja> would be interesting to have a Niagara-II based desktop workstation though :P
[04:55:09] <moazamraja> bout...16GB to 32GB RAM. whoa nelly.
[04:55:34] <moazamraja> (i.e., not gonna happen)
[04:56:16] <CSFrost> well, you can get workstations now with 64 gigs of ram.. though the demand for T2's might be a bit lower
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[05:08:42] <tamiya> Hey guys
[05:08:49] <tamiya> Where is the Solaris kernel located?
[05:08:58] <richlowe> /kernel, mostly
[05:09:11] <tamiya> Is it /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix
[05:10:31] <kaiwai>  /kernel/genunix and /kernel/amd64/genunix
[05:10:54] <richlowe> unix, genunix, and krtld are probably the bits you mean.
[05:11:18] <tamiya> My CPU is Intel P4
[05:11:33] <kaiwai> so it'll be /kernel/genunix
[05:11:35] <Teknomancer>  /kernel are not the sources right ?
[05:11:38] <kaiwai> which is the 32bit version
[05:11:39] <kaiwai> nope
[05:11:47] <kaiwai> not the source, source isn't shipped with the distro
[05:11:49] <richlowe> Teknomancer: I assumed he was hunting binaries.
[05:11:52] <Teknomancer> ok
[05:11:53] <richlowe> $SRC/uts for the sources.
[05:12:00] <tamiya> I am hunting binaries :)
[05:12:18] <tamiya> Actually I'm just reading a book... and wanted to clarify
[05:12:54] <Teknomancer> is it possible to use dprintf() in solaris kernel modules? I read that solaris kernel doesn't include as many standard functions like linux....
[05:12:59] <Teknomancer> or must i use cmn_err ?
[05:14:23] <jbk> well what do you want to do?
[05:14:24] <rbrown_> why not just read the faq
[05:14:34] <rbrown_> man function_name
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[05:14:52] <Teknomancer> hm no entry for dprintf in man ...
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[05:17:53] <jbk> why don't you want to use cmn_err?
[05:18:31] <Teknomancer> just to log the flow of the driver hooks....
[05:18:46] <Plaidrab> .. standard.. functions...
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[05:19:58] <richlowe> at that point, there's dtrace, too.
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[05:40:40] <moazamraja> anyone know much about LACP? (link aggregation)
[05:41:28] <kaiwai> strange, really slow look up times with Solaris
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[05:46:54] <kaiwai> using google, you use dladm to create one
[05:48:50] <kaiwai> http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=8295975096651&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE6
[05:48:56] <kaiwai> towards the bottom of the page
[05:49:29] <kaiwai> the usual sun marketing bs: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/solaris_networking.html
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[05:50:36] <richlowe> mktg?
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[05:55:48] <moazamraja> yes...
[05:55:49] <moazamraja> but
[05:56:14] <moazamraja> i need a LACP capable switch to do this, right?
[05:56:46] <moazamraja> or, can I create an aggr on each computer and just hook them up directly (rj45 to rj45, gigabit)
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[06:26:23] <Tempt> You don't need LACP, Etherchannel will do.
[06:26:40] <Tempt> I can give you my aggregation port configs if you'd like.
[06:29:15] <Doc> do you actually need aggregation, or just fault tollerance?
[06:29:30] <Doc> and if you need aggregation, do you need it in, out, or both?
[06:32:10] <richlowe> and are you using nics that will do it in the first place? (though I think all the gige drivers are using nemo, by now.)
[06:32:19] <richlowe> except for ce, which has suntrunking.
[06:33:02] <Doc> i was just going to suggest IPMP
[06:33:43] <richlowe> I assumed the reference above was to directly connecting them via cross-over.
[06:33:59] <richlowe> which makes it less likely IPMP would be the goal.
[06:35:54] <Doc> ahh.. missed that bit
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[06:47:26] <Tempt> richlowe: Not all GigE drivers are using NEMO.
[06:47:31] <Tempt> richlowe: Cassini, for example ...
[06:47:40] <Tempt> richlowe: And ge ...
[06:47:43] <g4lt-U60> ...yet
[06:48:18] <Tempt> We'll have to wait for gdamore to get cracking on the cassini
[06:48:30] <richlowe> Tempt: I mentioned ce and suntrunking on the very next line.
[06:48:36] <richlowe> I'm not sure whether gem does either.
[06:48:42] <richlowe> (I'm thinking "No", though)
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[07:24:44] <Tempt> syncing file systems... 14 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 done (not all i/o completed)
[07:24:48] <Tempt> Just what we all to see.
[07:24:55] <Tempt> love to see.
[07:25:13] <Tempt> Yet another remind as to why Veritas products suck.
[07:28:35] <Atomdrache> So when my screen locks, the background is orange.  It should be black.  Does this suggest any familiar problem?
[07:28:36] <moazamraja> re
[07:28:46] <moazamraja> Tempt: yes, if you could send me your configs, that'd be great
[07:29:14] <moazamraja> i'd like to test performance with aggrs
[07:29:22] <Tempt> Sure thing.
[07:29:28] <moazamraja> and i'd be using supported cards, yes
[07:29:31] <Tempt> You want my Solaris configs or my switch configs?
[07:29:43] <moazamraja> solaris
[07:29:50] <Tempt> That's pretty easy.
[07:29:51] <Tempt> dladm
[07:29:55] <moazamraja> hmm
[07:29:58] <moazamraja> what kinda switch do u have?
[07:29:59] <Tempt> It's like a 1 liner
[07:30:02] <Tempt> 2950
[07:30:14] <moazamraja> whch supports etherchannel/lacp?
[07:30:17] <Tempt> both
[07:30:30] <moazamraja> ok
[07:30:49] <Tempt> let me pastebin some stuff
[07:30:54] <moazamraja> sounds simple enough then
[07:31:54] <Tempt> Make sure you're patched up to date or you'll be in hell too.
[07:32:02] <moazamraja> ok
[07:33:01] <Tempt> hmm, rafb's pastebin isn't working for me today.
[07:36:15] <moazamraja> lemme config mine up
[07:36:53] <Tempt> http://pastebin.com/d6e3d1d10
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[07:45:18] <moazamraja> thx
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[07:47:26] <Tempt> Enjoy.
[07:47:47] <Tempt> Don't forget Cisco's configuration is slightly different across switch models.
[07:51:33] <moazamraja> ok
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[08:48:28] <sunmaster> Just for my general knowledge: How can I read these outputs: '/pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,2/ide@0/cmdk@0,0' ? I mean what do the first, second, third and fourth fields mean?
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[09:05:51] <Fish> hello
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[10:49:51] <trygvis> hmm
[10:50:11] <trygvis> I'm trying to do a clean installation of b67 and the installer hangs when installing one of the last packages
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[10:50:32] <trygvis> this time it stopped on "Simplified Chinese (EUC) True Type Fonts" package
[10:50:48] <trygvis> really annoying
[10:51:02] <trygvis> is there any way to run the installer in a debug mode?
[11:01:23] <tomww> there is a log file
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[11:09:45] <WickySolaris> Heya
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[11:24:56] <WickySolaris> Somebody around to answer a quick question? Some times the link of rtls0 goes down for no reason (probably my switch). I get a popup in JDE saying "Interface rtls0 down", then a popup "Interface rtls0 up, got ip address 0.0.0.0", which is kinda weird since I defined a static IP address for the interface
[11:35:28] <trygvis> what does ifconfig say?
[11:35:34] <WickySolaris> 0.0.0.0
[11:36:05] <WickySolaris> actually the only way to get it working is unplumbing and plumbing the device (or deactivate/activate via the GUI)
[11:43:18] <WickySolaris> actually I am lying, ifconfig doesn't show an IP address at all, it just says the interface is up
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[12:33:04] <ShanghaiScott> can't get JDS to build because of missing SUNW manpages for various things (also broken link to popt tarball...) Where do these man page tarballs come from?
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[12:35:05] <ShanghaiScott> doh. nevermind. found it
[12:45:30] <Pietro_S> ShanghaiScott: I would check your path to install media, which you set to jds-cbe
[12:45:59] <Pietro_S> because jds-cbe can install aditional package itself, if that path is ok
[12:52:21] <Doc> hmm.. Sun has 3 MX records for sun.com.au - one doesnt exist, one doesnt respond, and the 3rd rejects connections
[12:55:33] <Stric> great ;)
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[13:01:56] <Doc> at least their jobs page no longer has jobs on it that closed last june
[13:02:21] <Doc> oldest one closed in september 2006
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[13:17:12] <tomww> Doc: greylisting :-) ?
[13:18:54] <Stric> greylisting to the extreme, neither starts speaking smtp
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[14:16:11] <Pietro_S> hmm gnu make is bullshit, even if I use -j3 it use only one core :-(
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[14:16:30] <Tempt> Err.
[14:16:53] <Tempt> gmake usually does a reasonable job of running stuff over everything as long as the makefile is suitably structured.
[14:18:10] <Pietro_S> I even put -j3 to configue script and then even in command line ...
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[14:18:40] <Tempt> Well, perhaps the makefile for your software is holding it up.
[14:19:27] <Tempt> Much as I like to poke fun as GNU software, gmake does handle that bit without problems.
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[14:21:16] <Pietro_S> yes most likely it's problem of makefiles ...
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[15:01:17] <lplatypus> I've got a new Dell Lattitude laptop whose Broadcom network chip is not yet supported by Solaris. I'm thinking of running a linux VM on solaris using Xen and assigning the network device to the VM, then routing network traffic through the VM... does that sound too crazy to work?
[15:03:54] <kaiwai> lplatypus: just out of curioosity - what type of broadcom is it?
[15:04:20] <kaiwai> lplatypus: have you tried the NDIS download off laptop section?
[15:05:11] <kaiwai> hello?!
[15:05:17] <kaiwai> I assume you don't want help
[15:06:10] <lplatypus> sorry was just getting a drink
[15:07:39] <kaiwai> what type of broadcom is it - have you tried the NDIS download off the laptop website?
[15:07:49] <lplatypus> (looking up the precise model number again)... haven't tries ndis, might give that a go
[15:08:16] <kaiwai> yeap, I'd say its the most common of all broadcom which is supported
[15:08:46] <kaiwai> the above scenario won't work by the way (the whole xen, virtualisation bs)
[15:09:57] <lplatypus> NetXtreme BCM55755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
[15:10:15] <lplatypus> sorry BCM 5755M
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[15:11:32] <kaiwai> hmm
[15:11:36] <kaiwai> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ndis/
[15:12:32] <kaiwai> I'd say it supports more than just bcm43xx
[15:12:41] <kaiwai> best to give it a try and see how it goes
[15:12:48] <kaiwai> I assume its an AMD laptop?
[15:13:19] <lplatypus> no Core 2 Duo... it's a Dell Lattitude D630
[15:13:30] <lplatypus> the PCI ID is 14E4,4320
[15:13:55] <lplatypus> I found this bug registered for it: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6457739
[15:14:23] <kaiwai> strange, would have thought they'd use Intels chipset
[15:15:01] <kaiwai> ah, thought it was a wireless :P
[15:15:07] <lplatypus> yeah... it does use an Intel 965GM chipset
[15:15:20] <kaiwai> strange it doesn't have a gigabit ethernet
[15:15:29] <lplatypus> oh yeah it has Intel wireless chipset, not yet supported by Solaris either
[15:16:05] <lplatypus> the broadcom chip is the gigabit ethernet
[15:16:17] <kaiwai> one of those 4265 things?
[15:16:50] <lplatypus> yeah that sounds right... 802.11 a/b/g/n
[15:16:59] <kaiwai> *shudder*
[15:17:11] <kaiwai> poor guy, I give you my sympathy
[15:17:30] <lplatypus> I saw a posting that Sun is working on drivers for wireless, expected early September
[15:17:51] <kaiwai> got an HP, 100% intel (except for gpu which is nvidia)
[15:18:02] <lplatypus> nice
[15:18:15] <kaiwai> yeah, worked out ok, NZ$2499
[15:18:21] <_mary_kate_> lplatypus: is it mini-pci?  you could swap it for a supported card
[15:18:28] <lplatypus> this thing has got an nvidia GPU, but it's not yet supported (in b66) either
[15:18:34] <kaiwai> atheros
[15:18:46] <kaiwai> lplatypus: what is the type of Nvidia GPU?
[15:18:56] <kaiwai> I've got a Nvidia go 7400
[15:19:31] <lplatypus> Quadro NVS 135M
[15:19:39] <kaiwai> I'm running Nvidia 100.14.11
[15:19:42] <lplatypus> it's got a G86 core, same as GeForce 8400
[15:19:49] <kaiwai> have you upgraded to the latest version of the driver?
[15:20:07] <lplatypus> I would if I had ethernet or wireless working
[15:20:12] <kaiwai> ah
[15:20:44] <kaiwai> yeah, I avoided Dell for this very reason
[15:20:51] <kaiwai> along with the bad technical support
[15:21:24] <lplatypus> I'm sure it will be fine in few months time
[15:21:35] <kaiwai> true, but Broadcom can be assholes
[15:21:42] <lplatypus> unfortunately my work has exclusive arrangement with Dell
[15:21:51] <kaiwai> ah, so it was bought by work
[15:22:01] <lplatypus> yeah
[15:22:10] <kaiwai> well, no worries  - no money lost then :)
[15:22:15] <kaiwai> I assume Solaris is needed for work?
[15:22:34] <lplatypus> no, my use of it is tolerated
[15:22:56] <kaiwai> ah, ok
[15:23:08] <kaiwai> if it was work related, punch the CIO's lights out :-D
[15:23:13] <lplatypus> all the servers and IT infrastructure are Microsoft based :-(
[15:23:28] <kaiwai> ah, the epicentre of Microsoft whoredom
[15:23:41] <kaiwai> with MCSE dweebs left right and centre
[15:24:40] <lplatypus> these guys just don't know anything better
[15:25:01] <kaiwai> hmm, spread the good news of Solaris my son! sing it from the mountains!
[15:25:22] <lplatypus> yes indeed :-)
[15:25:34] <lplatypus> so looks like NDIS is the thing to check out
[15:25:48] <kaiwai> too bad the average clueless IT manage knows jack about what Sun offers
[15:25:49] <lplatypus> out of interest why do you say the Xen thing wouldn't work?
[15:26:18] <kaiwai> lplatypus: because it would still IIRC have to be supported by the host operating system
[15:26:47] <lplatypus> can't PCI devices be hidden from the host OS and then made available to a DomU OS?
[15:28:13] <lplatypus> eg http://scotthadfield.ca/?p=149
[15:28:44] <kaiwai> *shrugs* I didn't even know Xen was on Solaris
[15:30:05] <lplatypus> it's not integrated yet... there was a code drop recently and a binary build of b66 with Xen patches: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/
[15:30:18] <kaiwai> interesting, you can run Windows under xen apparently
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[15:30:25] <lplatypus> I don't know which is hackier... using a linux driver in Xen, or using a windows driver with NDIS
[15:30:51] <kaiwai> atleast NDIS has the chance of working and not going to royally cock things up too much
[15:30:58] <lplatypus> hehe yes
[15:31:50] <lplatypus> I do want to run Windows in Xen though (kinda needed for work)
[15:32:22] <kaiwai> according tohttp://www.planetjoel.com/viewarticle/568/HOWTO:+Windows+XP+running+under+Xen+3.0+on+Ubuntu+Dapper+Drake
[15:32:27] <kaiwai> its possible
[15:32:42] <kaiwai> assuming all things are consistant
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[15:33:08] <lplatypus> excellent, and I saw reports of it working on that Solaris Xen build too, so I'm hopefull
[15:33:31] <lplatypus> you need a recent CPU with the right extensions to support virtualisation
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[15:33:40] <kaiwai> its based on B66 - looking forward towards to see it official merge
[15:33:55] <lplatypus> yeah looks like it's getting close now
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[15:34:45] <lplatypus> I'd better go to bed... thanks for your help kaiwai
[15:35:42] <kaiwai> same here, its 1am here :P
[15:36:19] <lplatypus> you must be in New Zealand
[15:36:40] <kaiwai> yeap :)
[15:36:50] <kaiwai> land of rain, wind and sheep
[15:37:22] <lplatypus> and currently the land of Monday morning
[15:37:42] <kaiwai> yeap, and university at 10am :P
[15:37:45] <lplatypus> joy
[15:37:52] <kaiwai> first class - tratric tradition
[15:37:57] <kaiwai> sounds more excitign than it is
[15:38:11] <lplatypus> I don't even know what that means
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[15:39:39] <lplatypus> good night :-)
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[16:14:00] <Pietro_S> what do you use for notes? (right now I use just text file where I store some rare/complicate commands which I use, thinking about putting it to some gui, because that file is getting big ..)
[16:15:06] <trygvis> if you're on os x, omnioutliner is by far the best tool
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[16:15:21] <trygvis> but I'm using trac for my own personal notes
[16:16:14] <Pietro_S> trygvis: I'm using opensolaris, otherwise I would comment it as OT ;-)
[16:16:41] <obsethryl> kszwed: are you around?
[16:17:09] <trygvis> hehe
[16:17:19] <trygvis> well, trac then. gives you searching as well
[16:17:40] <Pietro_S> isn't trac for development control?
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[16:18:30] <trygvis> sure, but it has a nice wiki
[16:20:04] <Pietro_S> how can I check writing speed to usb flashdisk? the cp process is already launched ...
[16:20:21] <trygvis> iostat -x 1
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[16:21:36] <Pietro_S> is this for usb? sd1       0.0  230.0    0.0  920.0  0.0  1.0    4.3   0  99
[16:21:59] <trygvis> probably
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[16:26:12] <Pietro_S> hmm, 700kBs is quite slow for usb2 disk :-( , it looks like usb1 is used :-(, or maybe flash need defragmentation :-(
[16:28:50] <Stric> flash has no moving parts and doesn't care much for fragmentation
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[16:32:48] <Pietro_S> but waiting 1 hour for copy 3.5GB file to flash is nasty :-(
[16:33:09] <Tempt> That is very slow.
[16:34:56] <Pietro_S> yep, it looks like it's using usb v1 mode :-(
[16:35:10] <Tempt> How awful.
[16:35:27] <Tempt> Dodgy USB chipset?
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[16:36:38] <Pietro_S> I probably should plug it directly to mainboadr, not to case froont usb panel
[16:37:33] <Pietro_S> not sure if chipset has any problem with it, because it's first time I encounter this on this machine
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[17:25:33] <tomww> ithe slow USB connections, what is the target filesystems? pcfs or something else? pcfs could be slow itself...
[17:26:10] <rbrown_> zfs
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[17:26:50] <tomww> no compression?
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[17:28:24] <Pietro_S> on usb is simple fat32, because I need to have independent-OS data
[17:29:20] <tomww> I'm asking about pcfs (fat) on the target-disk, because there is some work undergoing to improve the speed of the pcfs implementation
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[17:34:42] <Pietro_S> target is fat32 (I don't know what module is used, it automounted itself), source is zfs (but here is surely not problem)
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[19:45:44] <Pietro_S> does have anyone free time, to test bug? http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/GAMEwesnoth-dev.pkg.bz2 , any non english/default locale doesn't work (on 68, on 65 I can change it to czech)
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[21:24:05] <Lectus> can OpenSolaris be used as desktop home system?
[21:25:01] <moazamraja> yes
[21:25:31] <Lectus> What ISO should I download? Community, developer or nexentaOS?
[21:26:45] <moazamraja> i like the Developer version myself, havent tried nexentra
[21:28:34] <sickness> Lectus: first try nexenta, it's easier to get in touch, then SXCE :)
[21:29:01] <Lectus> ok. Thanks for the answers
[21:29:18] <Lectus> but isn't nexenta in alpha stage? Is it already usable?
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[21:30:17] <sickness> heh, problem is that they don't build the livecd anymore, but it's quite usable as a desktop system, expecially if you are already comfortable with debian
[21:30:38] <sickness> otherwise, speaking of live distros to try, try also belenix, it's simply wonderful :)
[21:31:00] <aruiz> Lectus, what do you want to do with opensolaris?
[21:31:07] <Lectus> Yes. I used Debian, then Ubuntu, and now using Arch linux. I want to try OpenSolaris as third OS. I have WinXP and Arch linux.
[21:31:17] <Lectus> I just want to try, learn and have fun. :D
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[21:32:07] <Lectus> aruiz: I want to use as desktop OS for internet and programming.
[21:32:30] <WickySolaris> I use OpenSolaris as a desktop
[21:32:35] <WickySolaris> and very content with it
[21:32:42] <Lectus> which version?
[21:32:54] <WickySolaris> i downloaded the community edition
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[21:33:21] <WickySolaris> and then recompiled the latest sources, so now I am running nevada 69
[21:34:04] <WickySolaris> there is just one thing not working for me, and that's my PCTV card
[21:34:15] <WickySolaris> but I guess you wont need that anyway for an internet/developement system
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[21:36:02] <Lectus> yeah... I just want to use for internet browsing, IM, music playing, programming and seeing what opensolaris looks like.
[21:36:21] <WickySolaris> you'll find a lot of your linux applications working under solaris aswell
[21:36:49] <WickySolaris> IM = gaim , Internet = firefox/mozilla, music playing = rhythmbox / mplayer, programming = vi/emacs/gcc/Sun Studio
[21:37:03] <WickySolaris> the desktop environment is either the traditional CDE desktop or gnome 2
[21:37:15] <WickySolaris> so you should find yourself familiar with the interfaces :D
[21:37:16] <Lectus> does opensolaris comes with something like apt-get?
[21:37:28] <Lectus> or do I need to build everything from source?
[21:37:31] <WickySolaris> I believe so, there is pkg-get if I recall correctly
[21:37:34] <wesolows> depends which distribution you use
[21:38:01] <wesolows> you can use blastwave with pkg-get yes, or if you use nexenta you get apt itself
[21:38:33] <Lectus> running nexenta is essentially the same OS as opensolaris from Sun?
[21:38:47] <richlowe> I dislike "opensolaris from Sun" as a phrase.
[21:38:51] <richlowe> but guessing at what you mean, No.
[21:39:00] <richlowe> it's more like ubuntu, with the OpenSolaris kernel (and unique bits of userland)
[21:39:52] <Lectus> ahh
[21:40:13] <richlowe> huh.
[21:40:43] <Lectus> I think I'll get the developer edition
[21:40:57] <bda> Nexenta has a nutty GNU crust with creamy OpenSolaris middle.
[21:41:10] <Lectus> until nexenta reaches stable.
[21:41:24] <WickySolaris> so, nexenta is like a kit kat crunch?
[21:41:34] <WickySolaris> or an oreo cookie?
[21:41:50] <bda> Now I want candy.
[21:42:01] * WickySolaris has oreos and is willing to share
[21:42:03] <richlowe> dropping a new linker with SUNWonld, then leaving -w in NIGHTLY_OPTIONS may rank among the more foolish things I've done.
[21:42:07] <wesolows> "opensolaris from Sun" doesn't exist; Sun does distribute its own OS based on OpenSolaris called Solaris.
[21:42:15] <wesolows> But there is only one OpenSolaris.
[21:42:42] <Lectus> the page says only the developer edition is supported by Sun
[21:42:52] <Lectus> that's what I mean "from sun"
[21:42:56] <wesolows> Solaris Express DE is supported by Sun
[21:42:58] <richlowe> I'm not even sure that's *supported* by Sun.
[21:43:04] <wesolows> if you buy a contract, anyway
[21:43:07] <richlowe> I think it's the same kind of 'support' that SX used to have.
[21:43:19] <Lectus> Hmm... I see
[21:43:50] <wesolows> if you want "support" you will have to pay, no matter whose OS you use, period.
[21:44:01] <Lectus> does solaris have ntfs-3g, so I can write to windows partition?
[21:44:02] <richlowe> and quality of said support will vary.
[21:44:09] <wesolows> support means people which means medical plans which are fucking expensive.  So if you want support you better have money.
[21:44:27] <WickySolaris> Lectus: read-only support only atm what I can see and use
[21:44:41] <richlowe> the distinction between 'support' and 'people who will try and help you, if they have the time' is rather large.
[21:44:45] <richlowe> if the support is done properly, obviously.
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[21:45:03] <wesolows> the difference is large, but it's not always large in the same direction
[21:45:19] <wesolows> support from Dell is not nearly as good as "support" from some random opensolaris mailing list
[21:45:22] <WickySolaris> support mostly means gold/platinum contracts which means $$$$$$$$$
[21:46:11] <Lectus> OpenSolaris DE seems to have more docs. I include this in "support". They even have a video of installation process. I supose the installation process is the same for all OpenSolaris.
[21:46:27] <wesolows> in that case it's the difference between "people who will read a flowchart to you in mangled english over the phone" versus "people who will try to help you if they have the time"
[21:46:41] <wesolows> Lectus: That's not true.
[21:46:50] <wesolows> Lectus: The installation process is always distribution-specific.
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[21:48:47] <Lectus> Does OpenSolaris have binary compatibility layer for linux executables?
[21:49:10] <wesolows> I swear to god, we should have called this thing "An Operating System Building Block Named Fred" instead of OpenSolaris.
[21:49:17] <wesolows> BrandZ is available for that, yes
[21:49:41] <richlowe> how the hell did csh change?
[21:49:45] <WickySolaris> wesolows: that'd prolly get you sued by all the freddies in this world
[21:50:09] <wesolows> csh?
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[21:51:54] <e^ipi> i don't understand how people can grok that you don't install "Linux" you install a Linux distro, yet are so dumbfounded when they encounter the exact same goddamn thing in OpenSolaris
[21:52:03] <richlowe> wesolows: I left wsdiff enabled (unintentionally) and updated the linker, while I was initially expecting that to be very very noisy, it turns out to be rather sedate, except for csh.
[21:52:05] <wesolows> e^ipi: Amen, brother.
[21:52:29] <g4lt-U60> richlowe, they changed csh?
[21:52:32] <wesolows> richlowe: I have no idea what anyone would have done to csh.  But since no one uses it anyway, who cares?
[21:52:42] * g4lt-U60 gets out the torches and rope
[21:52:53] <wesolows> If someone makes a change to sar, does it make a sound?
[21:52:54] <g4lt-U60> wesolows, FUVM
[21:53:06] <richlowe> no *person* changed csh, the newer linker linked it very slightly differently.
[21:53:24] <moazamraja> wow
[21:53:31] <moazamraja> i turn my head for a minute...channel is packed
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[21:53:55] <g4lt-U60> and our fearless leader gives new meaning ot "fearless" ;P
[21:54:00] <moazamraja> SXDE is nice cuz you get the compilers with it, makes it easy to build your own software from there on
[21:54:38] <wesolows> Actually compilers are a part of core OpenSolaris; any distribution can include them: gcc is found in the SFW consolidation.
[21:54:48] <moazamraja> i meant Sun compilers
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[21:55:01] <wesolows> Which you can also install separately on any OpenSolaris distribution.
[21:55:02] <moazamraja> dbx, etc.
[21:55:05] <moazamraja> i know
[21:55:13] <wesolows> and dbx <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< mdb
[21:55:14] <moazamraja> but like i said, I prefer DE because it comes with it
[21:55:15] <richlowe> wesolows: Hm, I'm less convinced of that part.
[21:55:22] <richlowe> though it'd be interesting to see someone try.
[21:55:29] <moazamraja> dbx is better for application debugging
[21:55:37] <richlowe> heresy!
[21:55:44] <wesolows> I'm sorry you think that.  I use mdb for *all* debugging.
[21:55:51] <wesolows> And have NEVER used dbx for ANYTHING.
[21:56:11] <wesolows> richlowe: It should work, at least.  Certainly the C part should be fine.
[21:56:17] <jamesd> then again you are kernel coder ;-)
[21:56:18] <wesolows> richlowe: C++ is more a crapshoot.
[21:56:33] <wesolows> jamesd: I use mdb for both kernel and userland - actually these days it's about 80% userland for me.
[21:56:50] <moazamraja> wesolows: mdb will debug java programs?
[21:56:50] <richlowe> wesolows: I'm wondering about dependencies on bits DevPro deliver to the WOS, rather than with studio.
[21:56:59] <wesolows> moazamraja: rm debugs java programs for me.
[21:57:06] <moazamraja> yeah, thats great.
[21:57:11] <moazamraja> :/
[21:57:24] <moazamraja> rm before u install the OS then.
[21:57:28] <wesolows> moazamraja: I suppose I'd use DTrace's java provider and jdb if I really were stupid enough to care about java.
[21:58:52] <wesolows> richlowe: Yeah, I'm sure you could make a distribution on which Studio couldn't build working binaries.
[21:59:18] <wesolows> For example, you could deliver your own libm that is missing primitives emitted by Studio.
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[22:00:40] <_setuid_H> sorry for disturbing in your Debugger flamewar but could someone help me with apache vhost / forbidden problem?
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[22:01:46] <_setuid_H> I installed current coolstack but after configuring vhosts
[22:01:56] <_setuid_H> all vhosts has the same problem forbidden
[22:02:04] <_setuid_H> my localhost works fine
[22:02:30] <_setuid_H> path is ok
[22:02:37] <moazamraja> heh
[22:04:12] <Lectus> What partition type is opensolaris installed on? Is it ext3?
[22:04:21] <_setuid_H> UFS
[22:04:23] <_setuid_H> or ZFS
[22:04:44] <WickySolaris> no. UFS/ZFS is the filesystem, the partition type is Solaris2
[22:04:49] <_setuid_H> ok
[22:04:51] <_setuid_H> sorry
[22:05:05] <_setuid_H> but I'm sure he must meant filesystem
[22:05:10] <Lectus> sorry, I was talking about filesystem
[22:05:14] <_setuid_H> :-)
[22:05:19] <WickySolaris> _setuid_H++
[22:05:20] <WickySolaris> :P
[22:05:25] <_setuid_H> thanks
[22:06:33] <Lectus> is it possible to read/write to a NTFS partition from OpenSolaris? Or read/write to a Solaris partition from Windows? Or do I really need to create a FAT fs for exchanging files?
[22:06:47] <e^ipi> you can port FUSE
[22:06:48] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[22:06:56] <Lectus> o.o
[22:07:16] <_setuid_H> maybe via BrandZ
[22:07:33] <_setuid_H> if linux should r/w ntfs
[22:07:34] <e^ipi> or just for laughs, port ZFS to windows
[22:07:39] <_setuid_H> :-)
[22:07:51] <e^ipi> it'd leave Linux as the only operating system that can't read ZFS
[22:07:56] <e^ipi> and that'd be hilarious
[22:07:59] <_setuid_H> :-)
[22:08:26] <Lectus> linux can read/write to ntfs using ntfs-3g
[22:08:31] <Lectus> that's why I'm asking
[22:08:35] <Lectus> I'm coming from linux
[22:08:47] <e^ipi> ntfs-3g is FUSE, is it not?
[22:08:57] <Lectus> it uses fuse
[22:09:02] <Lectus> but is a special driver
[22:09:48] <hali> isn't cfs (lustre) working on the zfs effort on linux now? im sure something usable will come from that
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[22:11:52] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[22:12:01] <e^ipi> I already have a fantastic operating system with full native support for ZFS
[22:12:14] <_setuid_H> named solaris ?
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[22:12:59] <e^ipi> yeah
[22:13:06] <_setuid_H> :-)
[22:13:39] <_setuid_H> does anybody know something about comming bluetooth support in solaris?
[22:14:41] <Lectus> Can OpenSolaris at least write to ext3 partition? If yes, I may install it as third OS. And keep WinXP and Linux too. LOL
[22:15:12] <_setuid_H> Use Solaris / BrandZ and smoke out M$
[22:15:32] <Lectus> I need M$ for cool games
[22:15:43] <Auralis> there is a ext2/3 driver around
[22:15:46] <_setuid_H> well I think Q3Arena is a cool game too :-)
[22:15:57] <Lectus> But when I buy a PS3 I'll use that for gaming machine instead of WinXP :D
[22:16:14] <NikolaVeber> <_setuid_H> does anybody know something about comming bluetooth support in solaris?   - does this work with brandZ?
[22:16:22] <moazamraja> I hate the fact that PS3 games cost so much :(
[22:16:58] <_setuid_H> NikolaVeber: think not
[22:17:18] <e^ipi> _setuid_H: Q3A is open-source
[22:17:25] <e^ipi> and runs on solaris
[22:17:38] <_setuid_H> I know
[22:17:45] <_setuid_H> thats why I said Q3Arena
[22:17:50] <e^ipi> in fact, there's solaris/SPARC packages for it puttering around somehwhere
[22:17:53] <aruiz> e^ipi, well...
[22:17:57] <_setuid_H> use pkg-get
[22:18:00] <aruiz> e^ipi, Q3A is not opensource
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[22:18:12] <aruiz> e^ipi, the engine is, but the game's artwork is not
[22:18:21] <_setuid_H> well ok use sauberaten
[22:18:24] <_setuid_H> or cube
[22:18:30] <aruiz> e^ipi, but there are foss games based on the Q3A engine
[22:19:52] <Lectus> Is Sun really shipping free OpenSolaris DVDs?
[22:19:54] <Lectus> :O
[22:19:58] <_setuid_H> yes
[22:19:59] <aruiz> Lectus, sure
[22:20:00] <e^ipi> the artwork not being redistributible is irrelevant to the fact that the game is open-source
[22:20:03] <_setuid_H> I have one at home
[22:20:11] <_setuid_H> love Suns artwork
[22:20:20] <aruiz> Lectus, you can get Solaris 10 and Solaris Express as well
[22:20:27] <e^ipi> or else RedHat Linux wouldn't be open-source
[22:20:35] <aruiz> e^ipi, the game is not open source
[22:20:57] <aruiz> e^ipi, you still have to pay for it in order to play, however, you can use the engine to build your own
[22:21:32] <aruiz> you cannot download Q3A either redistribute it
[22:21:43] <Lectus> is the lisence of OpenSolaris GPL or BSD?
[22:21:49] <aruiz> Lectus, cddl
[22:21:59] <_setuid_H> maybe once GPLv3
[22:22:00] <Lectus> o.o
[22:22:01] <aruiz> Lectus, derived from Mozilla Public Licensed
[22:22:08] <Lectus> ahh
[22:22:20] <WickySolaris> I'm gonna call it the day people, see you all tomorrow
[22:24:03] <_setuid_H> Is possible to change resolution in console mode? something like param. vga=791 in linux>
[22:24:04] <_setuid_H> ?
[22:24:23] <e^ipi> Lectus: it's like a per-file GPL...
[22:25:09] <e^ipi> as in, change this file, or incorporate parts of this file, and you must share it. but you can use the file in any project you like and the license doesn't spread to surrounding files
[22:25:21] <e^ipi> alternately, you can call it the GPL without the viral clause
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[23:01:17] <zooko> Say, my mom wants to know why her SUNW stock jumped up the other day -- Thursday I think it was.
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[23:01:42] <zooko> I guessed maybe it was because Sun finished OpenSource/FreeSoftware release of Java, but that was just a guess.
[23:02:08] <zooko> In other gossip -- does anyone know how likely / how soon Sun might relicense OpenSolaris under GPLv3?
[23:03:02] <Auralis> didn't sun said that they are not going to use the gpl3?
[23:03:48] <zooko> Not that I recall, but I haven't watched too closely.
[23:03:54] * zooko pokes around on blogs.sun.com.
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[23:06:00] <zooko> http://onesearch.sun.com/search/blog/index.jsp?reslang=all&qt=gplv3&scope=full&cs=false&rf=1
[23:07:00] <palowoda> Heh, look at this guys tee-shirt in this video presentation: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6198007.html?tag=ne.video.6197696
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[23:13:43] <zooko> I guess this blog entry from Simon Phipps is the current most authoritative position:
[23:13:43] <zooko> http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/welcome_to_gplv3
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